Stuff About Sinners | Episode 46

I've been waiting to talk about this one. We've also been waiting to see it.

Fun fact about my father here, he doesn't buy movie tickets until the day of. And even on the day of, he'll be like, this movie's selling out. And it's like, yeah, bro, that's what movies do. You should probably buy the tickets when you know what theater, what time, and what day we're going. Because he'll say, hey, we're going to go see this movie on Saturday at 12 at this theater. And then it's like, okay. And it's like, I haven't bought the tickets yet.

Then are we going to go see a movie, James Payton? Let the record show that I don't always buy tickets the day of. Sometimes I buy them the night before. What happened was I underestimated that this movie would be popular outside of IMAX the way that it has been. And so the movie theater we were going to go see it at originally sold out for the time we wanted to go.

So we had to choose a different theater to go and see it and we went and saw sinners last night.

We're back with more episodes of dumb dialogue dad i'm ari i'm yanni i'm dad expect a lot of reviews but also serious things like pineapples why they eat you back pineapples don't eat you back yes they do how does a pineapple eat you back well you see we also talk about vacation school and things about growing up and i get to spend time with my darling daughters you're such a dad anyway we'd like to dive deep into the marvel universe the

harry party universe and popular netflix series not sponsored not yet but how long all of these topics and more can be found on dumb dialogue with dad which starts now sinners is probably my new favorite movie of all time i have been seeing so much stuff on social media about this movie before i went to see it that i got one spoiler and i was just like we we typically like to go and wait and see a movie yes after a few weeks so you know like you know

the anticipation dies down a little bit and it's not as popular so meaning that a lot of people are not going to be in the theater to see it it's just what we do we cannot do that with this movie because it maintains its popularity. And I had already gotten a spoiler on threads. So I was like, you know what? We're going to go see it. We're going to go see it with everyone else. And that's what we did.

Initial thoughts about sinners like before we saw it just initial thoughts in general i'm gonna do it before we saw okay go ahead so i did not know what this movie was i did not did i i don't think i did i knew michael b jordan and harry steinfeld were in a movie together i had no idea what it was about i only recently like a few weeks ago learned this was a vampire movie and when i learned it was a vampire movie i said oh now i want to go see it because i have a love for vampire films

specifically specifically when they have black main characters and also when it takes place in like the 19 early 1900s interview with the vampire the television series on amc it's also on netflix yeah i had seen like a teaser for sinners i felt like sometime last year so i knew it was going to be about vampires what i did not realize was the period of time that the movie was taking place like when i saw like that teaser spoilers by the way and we didn't do spoilers for different

man but whatever spoilers because this movie is still very much in theaters and popular and it's very good go see it right if you haven't seen it don't listen to us right yet come back and listen to us after you have seen this movie. The scene that I saw as like a teaser trailer was when Smoke is trying to roll his own cigarette. And I didn't, you know, obviously at the time, I'm like, oh, okay, this movie centers.

And, you know, kind of read some information about it. I knew it was their vampires were included, but in that scene, you can't really tell by looking at him what period of time in the world that this takes place. But he's trying to roll the cigarette and then that's basically what I saw. So I had no idea that this was taking place during like Jim Crow. I continually kept seeing the picture of Smoke and Sammy. Oh, Preacher Boy. That picture just in the water. Like in the water,

like, yeah. That's all I kept seeing. And for a while until like the second, I thought that they were brothers. So you thought that Michael B. Jordan and Miles Catan's characters were brothers. from the I didn't know they were twins you didn't know that you didn't know Michael B.

Jordan played two characters yeah man so much so much to talk about this movie like this could easily turn into like a two hour episode of the podcast we're gonna try to we're gonna try to keep it under we're gonna try to keep it under an hour maybe up to an hour. The backdrop of this movie taking place in Jim Crow, Mississippi. Adds so much layers to the movie and like how the characters are, who they are, what they're doing and like how they act.

And just it, even the vampires, like even Remick, it adds so much layers. And so when I saw the teaser trailer, I was interested because I like Michael P.

Jordan as an actor. and when i found out that ryan coogler was a director i'm like oh i'm in i'm already gonna go see it if you don't know who specifically ryan is right he's the director of black panther not only black panther but he has directed fruitvale station which was a movie that he did with michael b jordan years ago it was his first like big big movie that he directed.

Black panther the first creed movie there's another movie in there that they that he did that Ryan Coogler did and in now Sinners. And he's going to be doing a reboot of X-Files. That's his next project. That's going to be fire. That's going to be dope.

But it's just, and you, you know, and in the past few days, you know, seeing like the reaction to the movie on social media, specifically Threads, people were talking about how Ryan Coogler did his homework on 1932 Mississippi because now, you know, you have two Chinese characters in the movie. And I'm from Mississippi, born and mostly raised in Mississippi, South Mississippi, not in Clarksdale.

South mississippi and in jackson mississippi and i did not know that during this time period that there was a number of chinese folks that lived in the mississippi delta that owned stores that served black people because they were the only race that could because they because back in the day they weren't white right they well they were considered they were in close close enough proximity to also have white stores but they were close enough

proximity to also have black stores that service black people if you don't know anything about jim crow basically jim crow was a whole separate but equal thing where black people separate bathrooms white whites only, separate water fountains separate schools that's that's basically what jim crow is it's way more to it than that but it's y'all over here y'all over there i heard something i saw something you know this is like very unrelated but okay like when people like us black

people yeah okay when we laugh you know how we run away you know like oh we get very animated when we laugh at something.

Yeah i saw someone say the reason black people might do that is because back in the day when back and back in the day back in the day yeah white people did not like seeing black people happy so when black people wanted to laugh they had to go to a specific area to do so so they when they need to laugh and run oh that makes sense we and we're not gonna get into certain aspects of just because there's a lot of things going on currently culturally speaking that we're just

not even getting into that we're gonna really try to keep it to centers the movie and and in those aspects and what occurs in those movies and not try to compare it so much to what's going on in current times because there's there's some stuff going on in current times but the backdrop of you know it happening in jim crow mississippi is very pertinent and very very well done you know i can appreciate that as being from mississippi and i was born in mississippi

you were born in mississippi not raised there but no you were born there and also i've been there a lot yeah and you You can, and I look at some of the characters and I can, I can see, you know, like y'all, you may like, we're on our way home. Y'all, you and Ari made a comment about that. There was sometimes when like, maybe when Delta Slim spoke or when Sammy would say something, y'all didn't really pick up on what he was saying. That was Ari specifically though, right? Yeah. She was like.

Okay. Here's the thing. Okay. I don't understand English without subtitles. And that's what they were saying. They were saying. You just have the clearest speech. Now I'm still going to do that. what? And so in this movie, the dialect is very heavy because it's, you know, it's Mississippi and it's, you know, 1932 Mississippi specifically. But my comment to the girls was that. Y'all have not been around a lot of older Southern black folks.

And so I have. And so I didn't really have any trouble at all picking up on some of the things that Delta was slim. Because he would say stuff and sometimes it was almost like he was mumbling. But I was like, I know exactly what he just said. And so you have to have an ear for that. I don't have an ear for English. You know what I'm saying? But it was just, it was refreshing to see. You can't hear without subtitles. That's wild.

But I get it because I like to watch stuff with subtitles too because there's some times where I feel like I need them. Especially if you're British or Australian. You're British. Yeah. Sometimes that may be hard to pick up on. But Delta Slim, Sammy, Smoke, Stack, Annie. It's a struggle. I think it's just in general, but it was quiet.

It was quiet moments because there was some dialogue. There was quite a few moments of dialogue where, you know, a character was talking to another and they were just talking in low, you know, low volume. A lot of people in this movie. That too. That too. But, you know, we're going to do our typical thing that we do, unlike what we did with a different man.

But I just, I do want to talk a little bit about some of the elements. I really want to talk about that one. So there's two scenes I really specifically want to talk about. The first scene is when they are in the car, it's Stack, Delta Slim, and Preacher Boy, Sammy, and they're driving. and they pass by a line of prisoners and they're out there working. A chain gang is what they used to refer to it as.

And they're out there working on the side of the road and Delta Slim, you know, he stands up and he says, hold your head up, y'all need to hold your head up. And Sammy asks Delta Slim, he says, did you know any of them? And Delta Slim said, I knew all of them. And then he proceeds to tell this story, and I'm not going to tell the whole story, but basically he and a friend got arrested for vagrancy. That was something that happened a lot in the Jim Crow side.

Basically, arrested for vagrancy was just being, a lot of times was just being arrested just because you were black and you were just out and just living your life.

And so him and his friend were arrested for vagrancy. not gonna tell the whole story but basically his friend ultimately gets hanged at a train station because he had money in his pocket money that was his that he had earned but the mob of folks that that hanged him made up a story that he stole the money and then it sounds familiar that sounds that sounds like an Emmett Till related story that's exactly what happened happened to Emmett Hill. A little bit different.

He was, it was said that he, you know, cat called a white woman and that whole thing. Which didn't happen by the way. That is not what happened. And they killed that boy who would have been not too long ago would have been like his 80 something birthday. I saw online, but you know, and then at the end of Delta Slim telling his story, he just starts humming and he just starts humming and it turns into a song.

Somebody said it very eloquently on threads This other day I saw they said that Delta Slim in this movie was the blues personified because the blues is it's the blues is heavy in feeling. It's heavy in storytelling and heavy in sadness. It could be heavy in happiness, but mostly sadness because and that's why it's called the blues. And Delta Slim was the blues personified. He was, you know, a man that liked his drink.

He was a man that fiercely, you know, defended the folks that he was around in that moment during the movie up until his death. But in that scene where he's telling that story, at the end of the story, he just starts humming. And I'm like, man, that is something that Black folks, older Black folks of a certain generation, they just break out into a hum.

It's not always associated with the blues. Sometimes it's associated with gospel music, break out into a hum of just, you know, being in a moment and communing with God. But that is such a quintessential thing of Black people of a certain generation. Even sometimes myself, I find myself break out into a home. And you could just feel like the weight in that moment on Delta Slim of all the things that he had seen and experienced in his life. And he was an older Black gentleman.

So he had been alive at the turn of the century, at the very least. It's 32. He's also 32. Yeah, this movie takes place in 1932. Delta Slim got to be in his 60s at this point. So he was not born a slave, but he was not born too long after slavery ended. And so he has seen and experienced some things. And that humming that he did, I was just like, man, that was heavy. That was that humming. And then it turned into a song.

It just that that scene was strong. And from what I understand, that scene almost got cut from the movie.

I think I read that. The second scene I want to talk about in this movie is the scene where Preacher Boy starts playing in the juke joint. He starts playing that guitar and he starts singing that song, I Lie to You. And then you see this, something happens. And in the voiceover over him playing, you hear Annie say, pretty much saying that there are people that they can pierce the veil between past and future.

And as she is saying that you start seeing different things in the background as Sammy is still playing and still singing, you see all of a sudden you see a guy on turntables. Then you see a guy that's playing an electric guitar, like a la Bootsy Collins. 1932, by the way. And it's 1932. When it started happening, I was like, this is right. These things don't match. But that was done on purpose because if you remember what she said, past and future.

He's present. If Sammy in that moment is singing in the present, then you see Africans and they're playing the drums. Then you see the guy on the turntables. Then you see some guys crit walking. Then you see a guy break dancing. and you see a black ballerina dancer. Then you see a woman off in the corner. She starts twerking. And so you see the future and then the beat drops and it almost, it sounds like a trap beat.

Like, then even with like the two Asian characters, you see ancestral Chinese imagery as all of this is happening in the background and Sammy is still singing. That scene, I teared up. I teared up. I don't know what it's called.

Do you remember this guy who was doing this in the mask? yeah that that reminds me of a k-pop group because there's a k-pop group that included that in one of their dances really yeah wait the guy in the mask which guy in the mask it was uh in a white mask african african dancer i and i i can't remember yeah he started doing that and i can't remember i saw somebody talking about that online before we saw the movie, And when I saw it, I was like, that's what they were talking about.

So much, so much happening in that scene. I'm thinking about going and seeing Sinners again because, number one, I want to support. Like, I want to see this movie blow up to the point where it becomes one of the highest grossing movies of all time, which I read today on an article that it is on its way to being a top 10 grossing movie in the United States. But also just to pick up on a lot of things that I didn't catch this time around.

That scene, I teared up because, I don't know, I felt something ancestral and descendants-wise like stirring up in me in that moment. And I got emotional. I'm not going to lie. Because it was like. That was... My mouth was agape. That was such a powerful moment. And then, like, the barn starts burning down. The barn starts burning down. And then at the beginning of the movie, Annie... Because clearly Sammy is a griot.

Because remember in the movie at the beginning Annie talks about there's there said that people that are so you know that they have a power that they can bring happiness to people but they can also bring danger so as Sammy is singing and all of this is happening you're seeing this imagery the barn burns down and then that is what attracts Remick he even says it he was like I was like I was like I was summoned like he almost said like it's like you almost called to me,

that scene man even as I'm thinking about it right now i'm like that was very very powerful how he tied the past to the present and then brought in like current day i just want to say like when i see stuff like that when it's supposed to be like there's obviously there was several people right on that set yeah yeah i think as an actor that's so challenging to like be like oh they're not there because you can't even look at them because if you look at them all it's

like well right right because in the in that moment the people in the juke joint they're not they're they're not seeing all of this imagery of the past and the future around you can't even notice them because technically there's no one there, yeah i would like to watch something on like how the filming of that happened it reminds me of a scene in umbrella academy when klaus gets kidnapped and we see all the dead people he can see.

Oh yeah it's like as an actor to be like there's no one else here you have to yeah yeah that's true because if you you can't you can't even look at them you can't acknowledge them because then, give it away yeah that i just i just wanted to talk about those two scenes specifically, any specific scenes that you want to talk about before we get into our, favorites least favorites movie felt like a big musical i'm gonna disagree with

you but go on go ahead continue like i know it's it's technically it's technically not a musical it's not a musical but like I think it's cool how they could especially with the. I'm not going to call it the Irish jig song, especially with there's a part that I play a song called Rocky Road to Dublin. Rocky Road to Dublin. Yeah. Which kind of went hard. I think it's cool how like this was also like the height of the movie. Like this is very intense.

And then like we can take the song is not short, like three minutes, four minutes for a dance number. Yeah, they did. They broke out into a dance. And it wasn't like, OK, this is like.

It wasn't campy. It wasn't like season three of Stranger Things finale. rally it wasn't like that no it was it remick was communing with all of the people that he had turned like all of you know because he had at this point he had turned like he had turned mary mary turned stat then bo has been turned cornbread has been turned like all these people and then all the other you know folks that had left the juke joint you know after things went down with stack and mary a lot of them had went out

and took you know outside and they got turned and so they're they're dancing and they're dancing with remick too it was that was a pretty interesting scene to see as he's you know singing that song and and dancing and then you see a lot of black folks in the background you know dancing you know to it too it was just an interesting thing that's another thing about because there was a certain period of time where irish people were not treated so well in this country

because of where they came from. And Remick had several lines in the movie that alluded to that. I wouldn't say that this was a musical. I feel like musicals specific... How can I say it? I feel like the music in this movie was part of the story. When necessarily in musicals, that's not the case. It's like the musical is part of the... Let me rephrase. In Sinners, the music is part of the plot. Because it's all about... The music is literally like saying...

Yeah. Like, the song where they talk about Mary's mom. Right. The song where they talk about Mary's mom. And the music is part of the plot. In musicals, the music is part of a story. Yeah. Like, without the music, you don't have sinners. But you can do movies that are musicals without the music. It happens all the time. Movies get turned into musicals. Beetlejuice. Right. Mamma Mia. Mean Girls.

You take the music out of those movies you still have the movie if you take the music out of sinners you don't have the movie you don't because the music is it's all about the music it's all because remick says i want i want your music i want your stories i want i want what you have and without the music in the backdrop of the blues in this movie you don't have this movie, the entire time until we got to like the part the part where the couple they

got turned to vampires, I was like, this is a vampire. You right? Oh, okay. Okay. So it does take a while for Remick to come on and see. It's like the first time again. Yeah, it does. But I think so they had to set the cultural pacing of the movie. I just saw an article that said someone, they didn't like them because it felt like two different movies. I can understand why somebody feels that way, but you have to understand that.

They like the beginning, but then when like Mary bites stack. Yeah. That is the shift though. That's the shift. That's exactly the shift. Because the characters in this movie are going into the day thinking like, you know what, man? We're just going to have a good time. We're going to party. And then all hell breaks loose. Literally. And that is part of the shift. Like all of a sudden... It's like, we're all having a good time and then we're not. And then we're not. And then it goes crazy.

It didn't feel like two different movies though. It just felt like, oh, snap. This is an event that has happened and now the pace of the movie or the things have changed because even still in the backdrop of you know when mary turns stack the music is still part the musical element is still a part of the movie because then you know they do the the rocky road the dublin, And even still, Remick's whole thing is like, I want Sammy.

That is what I want. I want him. I'm not here. Honestly, I'm not even here to just kill y'all. What I really want is him. And I don't even want to really kill him in the sense of not turning him. I want to turn him so that I can get what he has and so that he can get what I have. And so he said, he even said it in that one scene where he was essentially like a baptizer, Sammy. We're going to make beautiful music together.

So to say that this felt like two different movies, you have to understand what you're watching. It is not two different movies. I have to understand on the surface of it, it feels like that, but that's not the case. It's not the case. That's how some movies roll. You need to shift to progress the plot.

Exactly. This movie would have just been people dancing if there wasn't a shift. Right, right, right. You have to set the... Because a big part of the movie is also the cultural aspects. You have to set that tone. Like, you have to set that tone first. We have to know Smoke. We have to know Stack. Yes. Right. We got to the destination. Right. Right. Right. You have to meet the characters and know how they fit into the thing.

Like, most characters, like, we meet Mary, and it just seems like her and Stack, they were once a thing. Uh-huh. And then they were not a thing anymore. And it was like, that could be insignificant if you didn't care. If you didn't care. Right, right. And then her story is interesting because of her mother and... Delivered the tunes. And how she ties into... Because even Sammy, like, when Mary first comes on screen, Sammy's like, hey, that white woman is staring at you.

And in Jim Crow South, that was not a thing that you wanted to have happen. That's like a white woman. Right. You just didn't want that to happen. And so if you didn't know, like, you see that happening, you're like, what? What? What is happening? You come to find out that Mary is what they refer to as an octoroon. I think that's the term. Basically, Mary's grandfather was half black, meaning that somewhere along the line, Mary's lineage comes from mostly black folks.

And I'm sure an atrocity of some sort happened. Someone was essayed in her lineage. And that's how her grandfather came to be. And her grandfather obviously you know being a mixed race person got with a white woman and that's how you that's how you produce that's how Mary comes into the picture. Mary's mother was mixed as well is what I got from that.

It's on her mother's side we don't know we don't know much about Mary's daddy's side but Mary is what you would consider like what they used to say passing um so in society right yeah i've seen things like that specifically um light-skinned black people where they're like right right you know right and it was like a protection thing like to and even mary said it was like you know there was protection reasons behind that and like even in our lineage like there's

a certain part of our lineage that goes back to scotland so there was obviously some events that happened where there was some people that were half black and half white and that carried on down the line.

So yeah there's that aspect of it because even sammy was just like what what are you and she's like i'm a human being like what are you talking about but but like what because like you very comfortable with like basically it's like you are really comfortable with us and everyone else comfortable with right yeah people have embraced you because i think it's funny because like uh cornbread when uh yeah the three of them

come and it's like what are y'all eating right right Because I think it's funny because it's not like they're being racist to them. It's not like they're trying to keep them out. Oh, because they're white. It's like, well. Like, you know. Because they made a good point. It's like, well, if someone gets their shoe stepped on or someone looks at someone for too long, it could result in something bad. Something could go down.

And so, but even when Mary approached the Jew, you know, the first time, Cornbread, you know, he's like, man, are you?

Are you in the right place are you lost like you're in the right place and then he figures out oh it's mary everybody knows mary like man and and it's it was it was almost like all the black folks know about mary but probably none of the white folks in town well she wasn't even she was at and that time she was living in arkansas she only came back to clarksdale because her mom died, so yeah it was that was interesting but then like like you said when when remick and burt and joan,

show up what's her name jones yeah i don't know the two the two that he turned first that remick turned first yeah i thought it was funny when remick when i think smoke asked remick are y'all clan and remick was like whoa whoa we believe in him he was like he was like he was offended he was like no whoa whoa now. No, it kind of felt like that, right? There's so much symbolism behind Remick and like him saying, like, I want your stories.

Like to say, I want your story. Like he wanted what Sammy had. And there's a lot to be said about that in current society. But I'm going to leave that there. What was your favorite part? Oh, what was my favorite? So many, right? To choose from.

There is a lot. like what was sammy's then we're like together what was his little girlfriend's name perlene yeah i like the part she's married by the way yeah she's also dead i like the part when she's singing that was very cool but also like i like when they actually like fight the vampires but i also like part where sammy's singing and we see all of the things the past present and future i I really like a lot of parts. This movie is great, man. It's 10 out of 10 for me.

But the part, which part did you say before that you said you liked? Perlene's singing. Yo, if Sammy brought like a sense of just cultural aspect to it, her performance just brought like vibes. Like, oh.

The singing, the dancing. The dancing. like man it was like that they were juking like that was juke joint music but if you know about juke joints back in the day like that that's what that her particular song that's what it felt like, sammy's felt different like heavy in a good way hers felt like very light like oh we're partying like sammy has a story to tell story sammy has a story to tell a background of a certain mind. So you really have multiple favorite parts. Yeah. Least favorite part.

I don't think I have one. Okay. Favorite character? Art to pit? Stack. Why? Well, firstly... You wore red when we went last night. You wore red and Ari wore blue, which I thought was fascinating. She asked me. She was like, you should wear red and blue. And she was like, what color do you want? And I said... Red. Did you know? No, I did not know. You just, that's just what you picked. I just chose red. Okay. And she goes, she texted me, she said, good, I wanted blue.

That's funny because Smoke is the older of the twins and he wears blue. I just thought that was funny. Well, not funny. I thought it was interesting. An interesting take. Also, she likes purple. And in my head, blue and purple. Very close. It's like purple's like the girl version of blue. And then red's like the guy version of pink. Blue and red make purple. Yeah. Man. That's what I thought. But also, I like... I don't... You don't have a reason for liking Steck, really? I don't know.

Did you identify with Steck? He's really cool. Even as a vampire? He's, like, really dope. Even as a vampire, he was really... Like, that mid-credits scene, like... Oh, that was whack. But he's really cool. You thought that was what? I don't like... I like Mary, though. But he was... It was given D-bag. It was given 1992 because that's what people wore. The Coogee sweater. He looked like 1990. She did, too. She actually looked like... There's this actress.

I can't remember. I don't know her name, but she was in a lot of stuff in the 90s. But that's who Mary looked like in that scene. She looked just like that actress. I'm going to have to look it up. That lady was in a lot of stuff. but that's who she looked like and somebody even mentioned it on threads like last week it was a lot it was a lot but see 90s that's hey that's why when he came in I was like oh, coochie sweater that's it I also put sunglasses on the inside like.

90s. He just looked like... He looked like the 90s. He looked like a black dude in the 90s. Like a black dude of, you know, of a certain fashion in the 90s. That's what he looked like. But no reason really for liking stat? Just thought he was cool. I don't know. Who's your least favorite character? The guy that sold in the barn. Hogwood or Haywood, the grand dragon of the clan? Yeah. Yeah, that guy.

Instead of me doing a character that I think you are, do you want to do a character that she most identified with instead for this particular movie? Sure. Okay, who did you identify with the most? We're going to get back to me. Your turn. Oh, okay. You're going to ask me the stuff. Favorite part. I know what it is. You know what it is. It's the, yeah. Explain. I lied to you. There you go. Last favorite part. You don't have one. I do. I have one. I have a least favorite part.

It's not least favorite because of how I feel about the movie. It's least favorite because of, like, dang, man, I really wish she would have made it when Annie died. Because Annie, I've seen a lot of commentary about Annie and Wunmi Musaku, who plays her, and, like, people feeling, like, how they feel about her character and the actress that played her. She's Nigerian, right?

She's British Nigerian, yeah. she's been a bunch of stuff she's in Loki she's also in Lovecraft Country we should watch Lovecraft Country by the way, she's also in Deadpool Wolverine and Deadpool very versatile versatile she has great range I thought she was American I thought she was, People have been saying like she had anti vibes and they're saying that I think because they looked at her physical appearance. She is a thicker woman and a thicker dark skinned woman.

And there's a certain stereotype. I already have a mammy. Mammy. Right. There's people have said that she looked like a mammy. And to those people, I say, punch yourself in the face.

She personifies what women what black women look like across the diaspora clearly she's part of she's british nigerian to say that she felt more like an auntie is to denigrate not just her but also the way she looks because you're gonna say that about a black woman skinnier right and you wouldn't say that about a black woman that was a little bit light lighter skin so for people to feel that way about her, punch yourself in the face, number one.

Number two, the chemistry between Annie and Smoke comes off of the screen.

Like when he walks into her place or forget that going back when he was at the baby's grave and she walks outside and she sees him immediately, you felt like okay there is a chemistry and a history between these two that is come it it comes off the screen and before you even get to the scene of them making love it's apparent that there is like this man loves this woman he he loves this woman as they were saying the movie i love you i love you. And I miss you. L-U-H. And I miss you.

So I think, you know, people that are saying like, well, you know, she felt like an auntie and it's just. And there's black people that are saying it. And I think, like, look at that. Maybe it's because black people are saying it because they have people in their lives like that who are actual. Aunties, and that's fine. That is perfectly okay. But don't go around being muggle. She's dark and she is curvier. So therefore. Right. Automatic. Right. Like, come on now. Like, that's just.

Yeah. Punch yourself in the face. their chemistry like is is it's apparent and then just annie as a character and her background of being a practitioner of hoodoo is paramount to who she is as a character as well not just not just her physical features and how she looks but her the spiritual aspect of you know the rituals that she practices is apparent in her character and remick knew as much as well because he knew that if he could get her and he could get access to her memories

and her you know what she knows it could make him more powerful so she says to smoke and that's why she tells smoke if they turn me you have to you have to immediately you have to immediately end me and even in the moment when stack is biting her she's like not you like not like it like she didn't want it to be stack she didn't want it to be stack because stack looks like smoke in my opinion.

The same person so yeah right it i think she like it in that moment it hurt her even obviously she it hurt her because he's biting her and he's you know effectively killing her but it hurt even more because she stack shares the face of the man she loves so it's just like golly man and i really wanted her to make it i really wanted her i hope was hoping her and smoke would make it but it plays until the end it does it does and i'm glad that they brought that spiritual aspect to it you know she

was wearing white and she was with the baby white blanket right um saddest movie scene ever oh yeah from wakanda forever um to charles funeral but no i that's my least favorite part when any when any when smoke and smoke had to do it and i could i could not imagine Well, some person, some random person. Or who else got turned? Mary? Yeah, I mean, Mary getting turned, you know, and even Perlene, like, that sucked because I felt bad for her. She just came to the party.

Like, she didn't have any ties to these people other than just, you know, I met one of you. I met one of you, and he invited me to the party. Like, it is literally like, you want to come to the party we haven't? Yeah, I'll come check it out. Okay, cool. And then she dies. That's what happened to Perlene. But like everybody else, they were tied to each other through just knowing each other or even family. Do you think that Annie and Mary were related?

Nobody says that as much. But when Remick asked, how did she get in here? Pointed to Mary. She's family. And Annie was like, she's family. I don't think they're related. Maybe their families are like. Close yeah I want I want to say that I'm gonna look it up real quick, Are Annie and Mary related? No, not Mary Boleyn and Ann Boleyn. And this answer they just gave me is completely wrong.

Sure. It might as well be Jordan and Ryan Coogler's sinners. Annie and Mary are what? Exactly. Are depicted as twins who have a significant relationship, one in which Annie later moves to Mississippi and becomes a mother. I do not think they're twins. And not just because they don't look alike.

Anyway, yeah. so that's my least favorite part when Annie dies because Annie and if you think about all those scenes like okay when things start really hitting the fan Annie is the one that knows stuff she's the one that's like this is what we need to do we need garlic we need we need, other things I'll speak about I'm not wooden stake through the heart and she just she, again just the epitome of like man the black woman comes through every time,

every single time the black woman comes through and that's annie she she comes through, even to her own demise she comes through okay ask me the next question uh favorite character. Annie there you go least favorite character you know it's crazy how the villain in this movie i don't despise i don't hate him, I'll say, before I answer my least favorite character, I will say I understand where you're coming from. See, with vampires, being a vampire, just the idea of it is so weird.

It's different than being a zombie or being a werewolf. Because when you're a zombie, you're just a dead person walking, usually without thought. And then when you're a werewolf, it's like, okay, maybe two days out of this week, you're a werewolf. You are a vampire forever when you become one.

You are also conscious you still remember everything but now you can't go into the sun you're sensitive to like in some stories garlic or holy water silver silver like it's weird vampire lore is crazy it's crazy it's insane i love it then just like the idea of being a vampire is so.

Fascinating to me because you can just you can kind of be normal you know like if you're a vampire you just kind of you kind of be normal for the most part yeah if you're a zombie you can't be normal if you're a werewolf you gotta chain yourself to a tree every once in a while you have to take you so when and the idea of being a vampire much more glamorous than it it is it is and it's always portrayed that way we and we should watch

this you and i should watch this movie in the movie underworld the vampires are portrayed as like aristocratic and.

Living castles interview with the vampire like they they mainly because with vampires they're around for a while so if you're broke that's embarrassing you know like if you're a vampire you usually most vampires i feel like come from wealth anyway right right yeah yeah in the vampire the movie louis a plantation owner he was yeah and he's already rich and he just became a vampire same with lestat lestat's old too so like just and even in the show louis he's black louis black

in interview the vampire the show a tv show on amc but he's rich he's rich i think but isn't isn't louis in interview with the vampire of mixed ancestry in the show yeah no no both parents are black okay and they live a very comfortable life okay so this is this and it's like 1920s okay okay interesting it's very interesting like the idea of being vampires so like noble there's this there's there's a certain level of

like a werewolf because i'm at a very good point when you're a werewolf you're gonna wake up naked somewhere somewhere you a vampire you can still pretty much operate as usual yeah maybe like other than like your thirst for like blood yeah in the show and i and i compare sinners to true blood for a few reasons vibes because true blood takes place in the south in louisiana It's in early 2000s. The South Louisiana, but there are flashbacks to earlier times.

But in True Blood, one of the main characters, Bill. He's a vampire. And after vampires are able to, quote, come out of the coffin because of the true blood, you know, breakthrough from the Japanese. Vampire Bill becomes part of the community and he's able to just kind of move. He falls in love with Sookie, who is a human, but we let her, it turns out, find out she's a fairy. It's a whole thing. But for the most part, he could just operate as normal just at nighttime.

Like he he comes out he just comes out and he's just hanging out man you know obviously, it can kind of that like if you only ever come out at night it's a little suspicious like people start asking questions in sinners it's like when like cornbread asked to go inside yeah it's a very i don't think it's like that interview vampire i think they can just go in and then certain vampire It changes. It changes. Like, garlic might not affect them.

They may have to be invited into a place they may not have to be. That's a true blood thing. They have to be invited in. And in true blood, you can actually rescind the invitation. I think that adds to the...

Goodness it's like oh i i need to be like have to be pleasant invite me in yeah the court rebels is like we now we stand out here playing games when we should be doing what we ought to do being kind of one just come inside bro if you can it's like and you invite me in like just i ain't just gonna bust into your place like invite me in i'm just i know i love vampires i i will say of the monsters like you said they are there is a certain level of regalness that

gets attached to vampires because for the most part they can still operate as normal zombies can't they can't zombies cannot like by nature as a zombie it's in the name you are a zombie you effectively have no most if not all zombies literally have they have no that just except just the initial primal thing of I gotta eat and I like people. And with vampires, they can also survive off animal blood. Vampires can survive off animal blood.

So going back to Underworld, and I really think you like vampires. Actually, we should watch Underworld today if you're down for it. Well, the last of this season episode comes out. At 8 o'clock? Yeah. It is only 2.22 currently and we'll probably be finished with this episode here soon because we're approaching an hour.

I think we should watch Underworld. because of your love for vampires it's only like two hours long if we watched if we started watching it at four you'd be done by six but in the movie underworld the vampires are very autocratic they live in castles they have in a hierarchy they have you know leadership and it's just they drive nice cars they think it's funny like when it comes to monsters like ghosts and zombies, werewolves, vampires.

If you ask someone, would you be okay with being a vampire? They're most likely going to say, yeah. Yeah. Of the monsters. Yeah. I can still operate. I just got to operate at night. That's fine. Like I said, if I knew I was going to be a vampire, I need two. To be out in the sun yes two weeks and i'll never be in the sun again i need artificial light.

Yeah and the thing is you you don't have to completely be out of the sun you can still have like a window open you can't go near right you you can't in direct the vampire in their house they have like like a kind of like a skylight okay and they can open it and hear it and just don't walk in that area yeah she likes to touch it sometime in time she's created because she's impulsive yeah yeah i think vampires are definitely yeah of the monsters they are the most desirable yeah

and there's a certain just a certain eugenics a quad it comes with you know with them totally of yeah other monsters i would pick if it's either gonna be a person or be a vampire probably still be a person right yeah but like the world will be a vampire vampire right and even in underworld because underworld is about vampires and werewolves you will see like how the werewolves live or the lichen how the lichen live compared to how the vampires live they live in like a werewolf can't live

inside they'll make a mess you you will see how they live if we watch underworld well we can't just watch underworld we'd have to visually watch the sequels but we definitely should watch the first one today if we have time what was the question that we're on my least favorite yeah i don't know how that entire conversation you can get started This is what we do. My least favorite character, I think you asked, was the Grand Dragon of the KKK.

Because the whole time he was plotting on Smoking Stack. He sold them the building and he was always intending to come back and do them harm.

That guy least favorite because of obvious reason i'm black and he was the grand dragon of kkk he's always going to be my least favorite character yes forget i want to say the two i was going to cuss i was about to cuss i was going to say the two kkk numbers oh burton joan yeah then they then they had an awakening because they became vampires like we believe in love and equality now but we were we were actually going to come and burn

this building down because that's who they were they They were going to come and do the harm to smoking stat. But yeah. And, you know, Rennick in everything that he did wrong, he did have some points that were pretty valid. And it kind of made you think like, man, he's kind of right. He's kind of right about how, you know, society, even to this day, treats black people like, hey, man, you know, he got a point.

So to your point of like didn't completely hate him for what he was trying to be but definitely hated him for what he was wild it's like a character necessarily isn't a villain more than the film like vecna and angela yeah yeah yeah it's good that's a good comparison did you ask me that I identify with the most?

Smoke. Smoke. Because if you look at Smoke, even his interactions with Stack, the very first scene of them on the screen, they're leaning on the car, and they're outside the juke joint, and they're getting ready to buy it from the Green Dragon dude. And Stack is making a cigarette and hands it to Smoke. Stack is very much like. Little brother mode, even though they're twins, he's in little brother mode. He's just like, I don't really have a care in the world right now. My big brother got it.

And he's making a cigarette. Smoke, on the other hand, is very like observing. He's looking out and he's like, he's looking, trying to make sure that everything is cool. Like there's no threats coming.

Like if I try to anticipate threats. And I very much operate like that on a daily basis because, smoke is a protector and i'm a protector and i'm always y'all may never ever realize it but i'm look i'm always trying to think of like if x happens this is going to be my reaction y is going to be my reaction to it like out in public if x god forbid happens y is how i'm going to react to it mom said it the other day she was just like when me and r went to the kendrick

lamar concert by the way r and i went to the kendrick lamar concert in dallas last week first concert i ever been to, I will definitely go to a Kendrick and Scissor concert any day. But while we were there and mom, you know, you and mom were here, she said she could not sleep because she felt like every noise she heard, she was on alert. And she's like, when I'm home, she doesn't have to really worry about that because I'm the protector.

Smoke is that protector. Like I said, even in that scene, when they're, that first scene we see them, Smoke is looking. He's like, if X happens, Y is how I'm going to react. Thank you. And while Stack is just like, oh, making cigarettes for my brother. Here you go, brother. Smoke a cigarette. That's how Stack does. So, yeah, that's who I identify with, Smoke.

And he was like that throughout the whole movie. Even with his interactions with Sammy, he was like, hey, man, this is your last night coming to a place like this. Go do church music. Go be Kirk Franklin. Okay. Like, talk about it. In every scene, Smoke is... First off, Smoke has PTSD. Oh, yeah, as a soldier. But so is Stack. So is Stack. I don't know. Stack was like, yeah, man, the war, man, it's crazy. Killed people.

Saw people die. Smoke was like, yeah, man, crazy. Killed people. Saw people die. I think it's interesting, like, Stack, he's kind of goofy. Stack is goofy. He is very much, like I said, he's the little brother. And then Smoke, yeah, he is always thinking. Like, when he's very tactful. Yeah. Okay, when he got... Tactical. Tactical. Yeah. When he got to the store and he was like, girl, come here, wash my part, lean on it if something happens.

And then he goes in, very good negotiator. Yep. Comes out, someone's touching his car, he shoots both of them. Right. And he knows one of them. That's what I'm saying. But even in his interaction with the little girl, he, you know, because the little girl, when he says, like, you ever heard of Smokestack Twins? She's like, of course. He's like, I'm Smoke. And so she starts backing away. So his reputation precedes him like, oh, this dude don't play. But he was like, I'm not here.

You're not in trouble or nothing like that. He was like, I'm trying to put some money in your pockets. Even in that moment, that interaction with that girl, he taught her a valuable lesson that she probably took with her for the rest of her life. He taught her the art of negotiation. He negotiates to get the sign, the flowers. He's like, I'm going to go visit my child of the grave. Right. Like, everything that Smoke did was about business and just being, like.

The man being a man and moving around as a man in society and in his society of the time figuring out how to move and navigate around that like and that's why I think I identify with smoke more than anybody else because I do that like I find myself doing just that like dang you know all right that boom boom all right cool even when we're walking I tell y'all to walk on the inside of me like when we're walking in a parking lot, all three if all four of us together I say the three

I get on the side of y'all that's closest to where the cars would be in a parking lot the sidewalk the sidewalk room and I don't do it just for mom I do it for y'all too mom does it too she does it when I'm not around yeah she'll grab me like that yep and she'll say get on this side of me I do that with all y'all she does it when it's just y'all too yeah so okay so like, and so that that whole just how smoke moves and even in that moment when he

taught that he taught that little girl like i said the art of negotiating she was just going to accept the 10-7 he was like no, no no don't ever accept the first number she probably grew up as an old woman and negotiated her way through a bunch of stuff and it she she could tie it all back to that day with smoke.

Taught her something that's another aspect to smoke's character he he he's a teacher and it's not like like not like a teacher but like teaches street smarts right book smart right but he teaches life lessons he taught that girl a life lesson he's trying to teach sammy a life lesson in that bro like this is not the life you want to be living like it ain't all good i know a lot of musicians and none of their lives are great i'm telling you if you're gonna go do music go do

go be kirk franklin i'm saying kirk franklin because i think it's funny but go do church music that's your background that's what your daddy does you go do that don't be over here with us he even told him to go live in the black owned community of mound bayou which is a real community that existed by the way in mississippi he's like go do that leave this stuff over here to us i want better for you so that's what i identify with smoke man this movie's so good man.

I never answered the question. Go ahead. I find it difficult with this movie to identify with a character because when I think of identifying with a character, I think of identifying with a character that looks like me. And this movie... It's hard. It is hard because most of the women in it are dark. Perlene, Annie, and Mary is... I mean, you're light-skinned, but Mary is like... She's a plethora of other things. Right, right. So, so, so this... And then maybe,

maybe we stop asking this question like that. Or no, no, no, I'm sorry. This question in particular that we're asking today, maybe we don't ask that question very often. Like, who do you identify with? Maybe we stick to... Because I think who I think you are the most like is probably... Sammy. Why? Sammy has he has a I don't want to say a rebellious spirit about him, but he has a spirit of like, man, I want to do what I want to do like this.

This is what I want to do. Good, bad or indifferent. I don't really care what anybody thinks. And I'm going to this is what I want to do. And you have that. You have that, too. And actually, if if I was doing this episode with us, I would say the same thing about her. I think the character she is most like is Sammy.

Both of y'all are like Sammy because y'all are headstrong to a point where you just you don't care what anybody else really thinks. Me, your mom, and that's and there's nothing wrong with that, but I think it's also a cautionary tale because I mean, Sammy found himself in a predicament with that. I'm never gonna find myself in a bar full of vampires.

Thank you. You're welcome but also i think that sammy i i think honestly even though this movie is you know smoke and stack like are the heavier care not heavier characters but they are the characters that loom the most this movie is very much about sammy this is this it starts it starts with sammy and it ends with sammy even the after credit scene that last scene when you sing in this little light of my it ends with him sammy is the center of his movie he is the center.

Even though Delta Slim referred to himself as a center, and he was. I mean, everybody in this movie is a center to some extent, right? But Sammy is the center. He's the center. So, yeah, I think, you know, for you to say that you don't think you identify with anyone just because of looks, what about personality?

Going to go in a little rant go please rant ran away and then we got to get to an end i know also there's like a lot of silence so you're going to cut yeah true so like when it comes to characters and looks identifying with a character who i look like is very hard because when it comes to black characters they're either if they are both parents are black they're dark if they are black if they are light one of their parents is white i'm not mixed so it's hard for and also i see okay if they're a

light-skinned person they never wear their hair now i felt always straight and they always have a white parent and if they have dark parents i mean if they have black both parents are black they are usually dark so like when it comes to like oh what disney princess are you i don't feel comfortable saying tiana it's always because like that like when we first got disney plus that's why i was alana because though we are not the same ethnicity her skin tone is a lot closer now so you're what

you if you're basing it just off of physical that's why i love so you're identifying is not it is it is really you you can't you can't identify with a character that you don't feel you look like regardless of how they act yeah that's the first thing for you the lightest people in centers are men michael b jordan i think is the lightest person other than mary.

I'm not a guy. You're not a guy. You're not a guy. No. And I think for me, like, when I think of characters that, you know, characters that I identify with, I very well could have identified with Annie in some aspects. But, okay, I see what you're saying. Do you think this is still a fair question to ask in future episodes? Oh, back to the movie. If you want me to answer based on just personality. Yeah. Then, yeah, but for you, you tie it to looks first.

Yes but if i'm gonna if i'm gonna tie it to also why i love claudia in the show entering the vampire because she's like your age she's also my age and she's light-skinned she's light-skinned natural and she wears her hair natural okay if i'm gonna say a character maybe stack or perlene i can see stack because i'm dope i said it about him i can see stack why perlene just a fun time she's a good time man she she's i i got invited to the party and i'm going to the party i was

seeing people online about perlene like yo she literally like disappeared for a night on her husband and then died but i don't know perlene was actually married i think she might have just said that yeah maybe we'll never know you know it's not even really that you know big of a deal but if she was and if she was in a somewhat healthy relationship she she disappeared for a night had an intimate encounter with someone younger than her and then died.

Why she became a vampire too she did become a vampire the same thing with mary mary was married, presumably to a white man and then died and then didn't didn't die but then just disappeared and then lived on for like 60 plus more years at least right that's a wild scene but i can definitely see stack why i don't know why i said that you you just said he's a good time he's just he's he's seems cool and fun stack like i said of the brothers stack is the one that's just like,

he's the showman because even when he goes and he you know gets delta slim to come and perform at the juke and then him before before sammy interacts with perlene for the first time you know sammy's playing the guitar and slim is you know playing harmonica right there at the train station stack is using that as a way to advertise for the party for the for the juke like hey you know y'all want to hear more of this come on down to the old sawmill you know to our juke joint,

like stack is a showman and he was a showman even in that moment of advertising for the juke joint and you are you are a show person underrated character lisa. Lisa was over it. She was over it from the beginning. It's like, bro, don't talk to me. I'm just trying to work, man. Daddy! I love Southern Asian people. I also love when we follow her. So she's getting her mom. And then we follow. Follow Grace back.

I love that entire family. Yeah. But that was specifically to show, you know, that they can they could overlap and be in both societies because they had their story on the white side and they had their story on the black side and they just switched like lisa just takes yeah yeah but clearly you know lisa's an orphan now lisa is an orphan now but clearly bo and grace have a history has have a history with smoke and stack like i think i read like basically

bo and grace and sammy i'm not saying a second smoke like they grew up together like obviously so they they have a history yeah and lisa is an orphan now before we end let's talk about grace. Okay she i thought she was so cool, until like mother like daughter also like i was the entire family's pretty pretty cool man like Yeah, you know, they just doing their thing, and yeah. But there's a part. Grace's husband, Beau, he becomes a vampire.

Uh-huh. He goes out, and you can only assume. He was going to get the car. And, yeah. Mm-hmm. And comes back, and obviously Grace is like, your eyes are a different color. They were not that colored, like, 20 minutes ago. Yeah.

Like meant they they don't they threaten to go do harm to lisa well remick says you know we're gonna go check on little lisa indicating like a threat to lisa who's at home by herself presumably which is wild they left their stores they left their daughter to to did they close the stores was lisa in charge of both like like and then they just left and they just went to a party and I mean, they were working. They were working because, to be fair, Smoke paid them a lot of money.

Her catfish and a sign into the bar. Right. He paid them a lot of money to help with the juice. But they just left that girl. They just left her to her own devices. Unless she ain't got parents. Now her parents are burnt up.

My feelings about grace is that i think grace she was such a strong character too to see her i think i was a really good thing about this movie is how everyone be like was personified like there was no character that was really like you know they're just an there's an character everyone had a story and they didn't it didn't take a lot of backstory to understand that's true Everybody had their part, and it didn't take much backstory to understand their part.

Like, even in the scene. It's like cornbread. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Even like cornbread. Like, even the scene, you know, when Sammy is singing, I lied to you. And I think I said this earlier. Like, you see, like, in the background, you know, their ancient Chinese, like, you know, imagery surrounding them as, you know, Sammy is singing. And I thought that was a good way to tie them into it and their ancestry as well. Oh, my God. The part where Remick. Remick. When he speaks Chinese.

Yeah, Remick speaks Chinese because now he has Bo's thoughts and Bo's knowing of stuff. Grace? Yeah. Yeah. Like, Grace is a strong character, but I think Grace pumped out. Yeah. Because even, like, and for good reason. I want to clarify and say that I think she, her head was in the right place when she told Bo, man, we got to go. Like, we didn't sign up for this. We just signed up to come and do this stuff, make some money and have a good time with our friends.

But there's some other stuff that's going on. We didn't sign up for this. We need to go and we need to go home our daughter is at home so i get that aspect of why she was just like bro, i want to leave i want to get out of here i don't even want to help figure any of this stuff out.

But but if she would have and she didn't know but if she would have just said let's stay put remick doesn't get bow remick doesn't know anything about lisa, yeah yeah yeah because now he knows it right he knows nothing about lisa if they would have just been like yo and that you could easily be like well they probably would have died anyway fighting they would have they may have died fighting but again but but but but but if

if if bo doesn't go outside to go get the car he doesn't get turned and then remick doesn't know about lisa and then And also, if Bo is inside the juke now, Grace doesn't feel the need to invite them in. Because the only reason she she told them to come in is because, like, I need to make sure they don't get to my daughter.

That was her only reason. Whether you agree with what she did, which I don't or not, it all started with her saying we need to leave instead of saying, you know what, let's stick it out. Yeah, because, like, look, the thing about vampires, one of their biggest weaknesses is the sun. Is the sun. All they had to do... And that was going to be the plan until Grace told them to come in. Just wait it out. If you wait it out till sunup.

You win. You survived at least that night. And then you can figure out the next night. But you can at least go home. But you can at least go home. Right. So you can figure it out. But if Grace had not just been like on some, nah, let's stay put. Remick doesn't know about Lisa. Remick doesn't get Bo. Doesn't know about Lisa. And we all probably would have lived. And everybody probably would have survived the night at the very least. But only two people did.

But only only sammy and i think she she did that just for the she wasn't she wasn't thinking also they didn't know at the time if they were vampires uh she did no they did because oh when she told bo to go get the car no they didn't they didn't know at the time after uh stack had been killed right but she knew that it that they had to be invited in yeah she knew that they couldn't come in because cornbread couldn't come here yeah so she knew like at the

very least like okay we're safe inside like if they would have i think if she had the prior knowledge like hey these are vampires if they if you go outside that that was the whole thing if you go outside you are fair game it's it's a wrap for you she when she told bo to go outside that was it that was it so yeah i think their fate was kind of always gonna be like that but she just still told them to come

in just because she had the thought like they're probably going to go after my daughter if I... When one of the vampires dies, does Remick, like, lose a sight? Like, okay, like, when Bo dies, does he just lose all knowledge of Lisa? I don't think that's how that works. All right. But she, I think, for her also, it was cathartic to kill. Her vampire husband? Yeah. Because she did. And they both died. And then they both sat on fire. They both burned up. Yeah, I, you know, I get it.

As a parent, I understand where Grace's heart was. But I also think strategically thinking and just kind of thinking things through if if she doesn't tell Bo to go get the car, they probably survive the night and everybody survives the night. A lot of people on social media was just like Grace messed it up for everybody. It sucks. Like you said, I get it. I get it. I get it. I understand.

Because she was like, I'm gonna kill every last one of them. You're not. You're adorable. First off, they are going to slaughter you. You're a five-one. Right. Not only that, they are vampires. They are. And it's a bunch of them now. Yeah, they can fly, apparently. Right. Or jump high. At the very least, jump high? I don't know. Logical thinking kind of goes out the window. It does when you're in a crisis.

And that was a crisis. At least for certain people. and grace is just one of those like she like before like all of the events happened she was like she was cool yeah cool calm collected having a good time dancing you know what i mean but as soon as soon as stack as soon as mary gets to stack she's like we got to go we gotta get up out of here and we gotta get up out of here now so man we are over an hour anything else you'd like to say about this very very incredible movie that i'm probably

gonna go see again I loved it. I want to watch it again. Come here. It's just good. Ryan Coogler is, he is setting. There's music in this movie too. The music, there's a song that plays at the end by Rod Wave called Sinners. The name of the song is called Sinners. That song is, it's great. This is the kind of movie after you go see it, you feel like a different person. You feel. Like a different man. A different man. I saw what you did. Yeah. That's an episode that just released today as well.

This episode is part of a doubleheader release. We did an episode on A Different Man and this episode on Sinners. I definitely would re-watch Sinners. I would re-watch Sinners. The thing is, it's comforting. It's comforting. There are comforting moments, but this movie as a whole, it's violent. It's violent, and it is not comforting. It is not one of those movies. Just turn on Sinners. It's a movie that's just like... You turn it on, you're going to watch it.

You're going to watch it. It's not background noise. And it is very much a movie that's just like, there's so much going on in it that you don't not want to watch it. But you could definitely watch it. And people have. There's people, I'm seeing people on threads that say they have gone and seen it four or five times already. And a lot of it is to support, you know, the cast, the crew, you know, Ryan Coogler. It is to just be that support, you know, to boost, like, run the numbers up.

But also it is a really good movie it's a good movie to go and watch and we didn't go see it in imax no i would suggest if you are if you haven't seen it and you are going to go see it go see it in imax because from what i understand it is a it's an even better experience because of, the the aspect ratio change apparently the aspect ratio changes.

Does happen in Catching Fire. So like in the scene with Sammy singing, I lied to you, like the screen gets wider and you see, you see more of what's happening. And also it was filmed in, in 70 millimeter IMAX. And Ryan Coogler does a really good job of explaining that. If you look it up online, he explains why, you know, the whole technical aspects of it and shout out to Ryan Coogler.

I think, like I said, he is, he is setting, he is setting the tone for like original ip's going forward like if you're going to come up with an original movie that's not a remake a reboot a requel or anything like that sequel in five years later right he is he he i mean he set the bar if you're going to do it you you got to meet up to his standard in 2025 and beyond like he has set that standard considers is an original

movie it doesn't tie into anything uh it doesn't need to i'm a sucker for tie-ins but this movie doesn't need to tie into anything it could be i don't need a sequel i don't really need a sequel to this again they made a sequel it does actually devalue the first it it could unless they did a prequel.

Like on the twins on the twins specifically like where had what happened in chicago they can also do it with stack and mary yeah you can show what happens to stack and mary right it's a big gap Yeah, yeah. I think if they do it as a prequel, it could work. I want to see what leads up to Smoke and Stack.

Because clearly Smoke and Stack have stolen, they have pulled a caper, as you say, in Chicago to get all of this stuff, like the beer, the money, all of these things that they have that they were going to use during the juke, to open up the juke. Mary said as much, she pretty much said y'all play both sides against each other. Y'all play the Italians and the Irish and Chicago against each other and they're going to figure it out.

So I want to see, I want to see them in World War I in certain aspects. I want to see Annie, a younger Annie and a younger Smoke, a younger Marion and younger Stack. And I want to see the lead up to them leaving Chicago and coming back to Mississippi. I want to see a younger bow of grace just to make it even sadder. Yeah. Yeah. A lot of people in the past. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I would like to see a prequel of this, not so much a sequel.

But definitely like what happened leading up to this night, that one night in October in Mississippi.

We forgot to mention we forgot to talk about the Choctaw in this movie and they were not on screen for a very long time but very made a very heavy impact real quick so the scene is this is when Remick first comes onto the screen he's clearly burning for reasons the sun is still out probably due to that but he is running away from the tribe and he comes and he stumbles up on Joan and Bert's house and this is how he eventually turns them but the scene of you know the guy the Choctaw coming

to the door and pretty much saying like hey we're looking for somebody if he's in the house with you like we we need to act fast like this guy is not who he says he is or what he says he is you're in danger we need to do something and then you know and then Jones is pretty much being like get away from my door before i shoot you and then also the sun is going down and it's like okay well we'll go home don't say i didn't warn you he literally blesses her he does he blesses her and then

gets in his car and with his tribe tribe members and they go home and we don't see them no more i just thought it's just like hey came in hey hey hey all right. You got it you got it you know i can tell you got a gun you you got a gun you know what's best you.

To be with you now he said it and she probably did not understand it he did he did say it in in his native tongue and she didn't really understand it but i just thought it was interesting when they came on the screen and they were only on screen for a few minutes and then they got the heck up out of there and went back home because they knew they obviously knew what remick was they probably like you know they had they probably didn't think of him as a vampire just Just the evil thing.

Yeah, an evil thing of ill intent. And they went home. And that was it.

Which is also another good cultural aspect because Choctaw Nation has a heavy presence in Mississippi. Even to this day. So, just wanted to add that piece to it as well. Anything else? Nope. This movie rules. Movie top. Hope he gets a kill count. Yeah. Ooh. James hates canon because there's so many. Also, the vampire. He hated doing Dust Till Dawn. A lot of people have compared this movie to Dust Till Dawn. I've never seen Dust Till Dawn.

But I heard it's pretty good. It shifts. Yeah. Real big. It shifts. Yeah, that's a lot of people comparing it to because of the shift. Like, it's all fun and games until that big shift. It also has brothers. Two brothers. Oh, really? Yeah. Tarantino and Clooney. They're not twins, but... But they play brothers in the movie? And one brother dies and turns into a vampire. Ah. I'm just saying inspiration. Oh, yeah, for sure. Just that.

There's a vampire movie from the 90s called, what is the name of it? John Carpenter did it. He's the Halloween guy, right? Yeah, I think. Yeah. I think it's just John Carpenter's vampire is the name of the movie. Nicolas Cage, I think, was in it. Yeah. Renfield. No, it wasn't Nicolas Cage. it was James Woods. James Woods and the, yeah, it's just called John Carpenter's Vampires came out and. 1998. I've seen that movie as a young child a lot.

This doesn't remind me of that movie, but. Until Dawn. Very, very, very similar. Until Dawn is similar to. Not Until Dawn, Just Till Dawn. Oh, Just Till Dawn is similar to Sinners. Yeah, that's what I've been reading. Okay, let's close this out because we are at an hour and a half almost. Like I said, this is part of a doubleheader release. This episode, as well as our episode on A Different Man, which is nowhere near as long as this.

But check it out check out all of our other episodes you can listen to us anywhere that you listen to your podcast um you can also just go to our website 3dpod.podbean.com, um our website has all of our episodes uh and it is really that is really all the, website is is it's just our episodes and catalog um and you can email us at the 3dpod at outlook.com um feel free to reach out to us um our next few episodes we're probably going to do

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We'll give reddit advice and am i the a-hole type stuff so this is yanni's idea she's gonna be taking the lead on a lot of those right yeah so, be on the lookout for that and as we get closer into summer we'll hopefully be releasing a little bit more, I would like to at least get back to every two weeks during the summer if we can so with that being said until you hear us next time stay dumb, Do you think that there is a scenario where, um.

And i this is this has been easily debunked in that last scene when stack and mary pop up on old man sammy people are saying like sammy didn't have a reflection in the mirror, he does he clearly does i don't look at people's reflections right right right obviously mary and stack don't have a reflection because there's a mirror behind the bar they don't have a reflection but people are just like yeah literally like sammy has a reflection it could be interesting, um like,

sammy did become a vampire if he was if he if he was like you know what maybe not tonight, maybe another night maybe my next show could meet me in my next show i i found it that was pretty cool that um stack and mary were not like ravenous yeah they were very cool and calm they It's almost like Stack was just like, man, I just want to see my cousin. Like, honestly, like, Smoke told me to stay away from you. He made me promise to stay away from you.

And I just, honestly, I'm just checking on him. And clearly, Sammy has a disease of some sort because Stack could smell it all. Also, and we didn't talk about this, but when Smoke and Stack were fighting toward the end of the movie in the third act, did you notice that Stack could not fight Smoke? No. I keep trying. I think it was like the... Because of the thing that Annie gave him.

What it was but he he couldn't do it but then the flip side smoke obviously could not kill stack, it's wild it's wild man wow but yeah i i just they it's like stacking mirror was just like just wanted to see man gave him a hug like stack gave him a hug yeah even mirror was like take care of yourself little sammy i just thought that was cool also people online are saying that sammy sold his soul, because his dad because he couldn't let the guitar go because his dad told him

to let the guitar go. When he went back to the church and he's still holding to the guitar, then in the scene he's driving away and he's still holding that broken piece of the guitar. I think it's. Too hard to let go after everything that has just happened. Yeah, yeah. He wasn't going to get rid of it anyway. Right, right.

It's just the handle. yeah and then but people are saying like in that last very last after credit scene when uh stack it yeah stack when sammy is singing uh this little light of mine they're saying when he looks up at the end that he's looking up at the devil i thought the devil was down i guess they're saying the devil had come oh and sammy sold his soul i don't know about any of that i just think sometimes People just kind of read too much into stuff,

but it's just fun to kind of talk about that kind of thing.

This was a great movie.