(Some) Stuff About the Hunger Games | Episode 42

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there are not four movies there are five yeah if you count songbirds. It does count why wouldn't you count it yeah Hunger Games in the title, but if you're talking about the original movies it's the four but if you're talking about in total yes you would be correct five why aren't we talking about, songbirds we can that's one of my favorites, so are we gonna talk about we think we should do songbirds like when we did

scream so like it's own standalone all right so we're just first two Hunger Games. Yes. Hunger Games. Yes. And Hunger Games. Catching Fire. Catching Fire. You know what I find interesting about the Hunger Games movies? What? Is I always find interesting these movies that are like in a future of the United States because essentially that's what Pan Am is.

It's the remnants of whatever's left of the United States and I think parts to Mexico North America it's all of North America okay so I always find those types of movies interesting. I don't know. I just something about them. Like Hunger Games as as a series of movies are good on their own. But it's something about that historical aspect of I want to know how we how we how do we get how do we get to Pan Am? Like, how did it lead to that? What happened between 2024 and what year are these set in?

Like, 2400, like something like that.

Like what what what led to what you know it would be interesting to see some movie or something that addresses 2312 2312 is when the first one takes place the first movie takes place so what happened between in the almost 300 years between 2024 to 2312 how do you get pinning a whole lot of stuff got to go wrong and i mean i guess a whole lot of stuff can go wrong in that amount of time that between 2024 and 2312 is longer than what we've been the united states those that number that

that gap of time is longer than what the united states has been a country between 1776.

And 2024 you know what i'm saying so i would just like to see what leads to a pan am you're not interested in in that at all no oh okay so it's just me i'm the nerd okay i will be the nerd in that aspect i really like the hunger games i've bought all the books recently i've yet to finish the first one yeah i guess we don't need to give like any background i mean if you if you're not familiar with the hunger games and by recently i mean like a few months ago.

Their books. The books. And their movies. There's a lot of stuff that happens in the books that don't happen in the movies. Yeah. A lot more detail. A lot more detail. That's usually how it goes. That you can't have in a movie because movies have time regulations. Yeah. So, yeah, we won't really give a background on the movie.

I think we'll give a background on how we became acquainted with the movies. So, I think we watched the first Hunger Games when you... I was five.

...were five years old. so i don't i didn't remember anything we only recently right recently this year we only want we re-watched all of them yeah i didn't remember any most most of it i remember people dying yeah and that would have made ari ari was seven when we first watched it and of course just a reminder ari is still a part of the family obviously but has chosen to take a back seat When it comes to the podcast,

she will appear from time to time, but will not be a regular co-host on the podcast going forward. So that's why she's not here today. But nonetheless, y'all were very young when I introduced you to the Hunger Games movies. We're going to obviously take the approach that we usually take with these things. But I'm curious on why. Why do you enjoy the books? Why? What is this? What is it about the story? This is very, very interesting.

In the books, you get a lot of background on Katniss, because we know her dad is dead. Yeah, they don't really address him much in the movies. He died in the mines, because it's District 12.

Makes coal but they go into a lot of detail about how her family struggled after his death because he did a lot of the hunting yeah and now like we know peter he threw when he throws the bread to her but she talks about in the book talks about how how hungry they were and how helpless they were and then when they got the bread how much it helped them yeah there's only just a small glimpse of that in that first movie when peter throws bread it's just it's just like a flashback Yeah.

And it's a flashback. Yeah. Yeah. I've never read the books. I don't really have a common frame of reference there. I do enjoy the movies, you know, and like you said, we recently rewatched all of them just to refresh our memories and just, you know, it's a good time. Still holds up after all these years. You know, some movies don't, but Hunger Games definitely does.

And so let's get into the first one so hunger games the first one what was your favorite part.

When they're in the capital when they arrive to the capital after being chosen as tributes all the days that you're in the capital with them they're my favorite part why is that because it because it's like an unfamiliar setting to them and the audience because you don't imagine not like in your position not have read having read the books you're like whoa this place is very different than where we were before something about that those that those days and that they're in the capital before

the games actually starts i don't know it feels like well i mean the hunger games really there is exploitation when it comes to it the capital the people of the capital exploit the districts for their entertainment so like when the hunger games happening and they're making beds and they're just it there's a level of exploitation there but definitely on the part of the government obviously the government is exploiting all of the districts for all the different things

that the districts offer though watching them in the setting of the capital was interesting because like you said it is they're kind of like fish out of water but something about it i don't really dig, because of the exploitative nature of it it's crazy in the book is it crazy in the book.

Please what happens in the book because like cat everything almost everything said in the book is like katniss's inner monologue so she was talking about like when what's the thing where they go out into the into and they're wearing the outfits it's when they were when they were training not the training, but like when they, are introduced to everyone in the capital and they ride out on the things. Oh, like on the chariots and stuff? Yeah. Okay. Apparently...

Like, this is something in the books that I don't mention in the movie, but with District 12, they would either make them dress like minors, like coal minors, or they would be completely naked and have them be covered in soot. Hmm. And the ages that are picked in the Hunger Games are from, what, 11 to 18? Young children. Yeah. That's wild. It's a good thing that Senna was Katniss's fight list. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, to have them have clothing for sure. Yeah, that's wild.

So is Senna not in the books? He is in the books. He is in the books. Okay, got you. Yeah, that's good that he was there for that reason. You know he bought Katniss? He bought her? Mm-hmm. What do you mean he bought her? You know how, like, in the district, if they're watching the games and they're like, like, with Finnick. Mm-hmm.

They would, you know how they would buy them? Cinnabot Katniss so no one else would buy her. So, like, nothing would. Because, you know, you know, what would happen with Finnick is how they were, like, sold. Oh. Cinnabot Katniss so she wouldn't be sold. Wow. The books are dark. And gross. There's a lot of detail. What was I talking about before? Favorite part. You said them being in the capital. That's how we got on this.

I like the training part that because we meet all the other tributes well they also go into a lot of detail about the a a box a box cut tongue the tongue cut tongue a boxes uh-huh they're going to a lot of detail about that yeah we won't even find out about them until like the later like uh Michael J part one like they don't even mention those in the first movie or second movie because Katniss one of the a boxes is like, Working in where her and Peeta sleep. Like, you know.

I'm going to say servant. That sounds weird. Kind of like one of their butlers? Yeah. Or mates? Yeah. And Candace recognized her. From where did she recognize her from? She saw her running with a guy, but then they got caught by the Capitol. Oh, gotcha. Okay. Gotcha. It's wild in the books. The books, it sounds like a wild time.

But it's good. It's great. it's it's uh hard to put down gotcha my favorite part those when they're in the capital the first day they're in the capital and the interviews interview parts fun the interviews the interviews are good with caesar caesar not that's not caesar but caesar yeah yeah he's it's a character he's funny the laugh is hilarious um what's your least favorite part when rue dies god dog it man can And we just.

That was one of. That's where my trauma came from when I was five. When her death is one of the. Whoa. It was just sad. And every time. When we just watched it recently. I was sitting here in this room and I was like. I know she dies, but it's like, man, just in my mind, I want her to just make it. Can she just make it? It's hard because there only can be technically two tributes to make it out. So even if, like, it was just her, Peeta, and Katniss, two of them got to go.

But, okay, go with me for a second. Let's assume Rue makes it. Katniss makes it. Peeta makes it. Couldn't they just say, nope?

We are all gonna eat these berries we are gonna eat these what are those berries called the night lock we're gonna eat these night lock bears all three of us will eat them and you won't have any winners whoa whoa whoa okay we have changed the rules again now could you see that happening three uh tributes two from the same district and one from a different district can in fact both live.

Just this one time in a more funny business after this, in theory if you really want to go there if all the tributes could have gotten on the same page and be like you know what, we ain't even gonna compete we will all eat night lock right now or it's like guys how about before the time's up we all step off the, podiums because then they all blow up well that's okay that wait that's that's a commitment Because then you're saying, like, we are going to step off, all of us, and we will.

There's no—you go get blown up. Yeah, but Nightlock—I'm pretty sure, like, the second Nightlock touches your tongue, you're gone. But if all the tributes from—if they would have gotten together and said, enough of this, man. No more, no more, no more. And they all threatened to take Nightlock, then—, Do you think they would have been like, all right, man. And you need a victor. So I don't think the game makers would have just made

it, would have just started killing them in that moment. I think they would have been like, okay, yeah. It would have been interesting to see. But yeah, Rue, man. Rue's death, as bad as it sounds, was necessary because it was really that spark for the revolution, no? People were like, wow, that was like an 11-year-old. Yeah. He was shot by another kid.

Just the hunger games in the idea of the hunger games is so crazy it's hard to remember how old peta and katniss were in the first movie they were like 15 children these are children yeah man just easy very easy to hate like kato for example yeah i didn't like that guy very easy that's my least favorite character by the way i'm just gonna state that now okay very easy to hate kato but he's also he's a victim yeah he's put in that but he's from district one so like

they're trained to going to the games right the the they want to volunteer yeah the it's like noble the first few districts are a little more favored careers yeah the careers they they because they one of the people from either district one two or three is it one two and three it's one i thought it was one and two okay one and two one of them usually wins the games but it's just like kato is a victim But I did not like that guy. He's conditioned to be the way he

is. Yes, he is. He is a victim of his circumstances. He gets in the way. Yeah. A lot. But did not like him. He didn't have to be. As jerk facey as he was. That's it. Because a lot of them seem very brainwashed by the fact that, yeah, going to Hunger Games is something that's cool. Yeah. Yeah. It's like, I want to go in the Hunger Games. I imagine District 1 people being like, no, I'm going to volunteer. Like they fight over it. I'm going to volunteer. Yeah.

I don't know. We never see how that goes. Okay, so that's your least favorite part. Obviously, that's my least favorite part, too. I can say that now. Your favorite character. I think it's so easy to say Katniss. It is. It is easy. I don't think I'm going to say Katniss. Who are you going to say? Most of them die, so it's really hard to pick.

There are 24 tributes, and only two of them make it out. Spoiler alert if you haven't seen. Yeah, so if I were to be like, oh, Thresh, he dies. Mm-hmm. Yeah, you do. Yeah. And the people who are in most of the movie are Peeta and Katniss. We don't see a lot of Haymitch or Effie or Prim or Miss Everdeen. I don't know. And Gale sucks. Mama Everdeen. And Gale sucks. Gale is. He's the Prim Reaper. Oh, that's good. So who is it? I guess I'll say Katniss.

That's easy. Or Peeta. I guess, I'll say Effie. Effie? Effie. Why would Effie, other than just because you don't want to pick either Katniss or Peeta, why Effie? Because she's fun. She's exuberant. And she changes, she gets a good character development. She does throughout the whole thing. Because she's straight from the Capitol. Yeah, she's right from there. And it shows in how she dresses.

Them folks in capital be dressing crazy yeah i judged them hard when i was five yeah it's very opulent but almost like on a cartoony level it's like this is it's how they dress is is how i imagine like a lot of people probably think rich people dress it's like a character they are like caricatures of what like rich people are yeah what's the like the phrase that like rich people have the worst taste dang because like they have so much money it's like you know let me just try certain

things let me wear a purple and lemon yellow with a red wig so spit mutt it's a lot okay so effie and your least favorite character marvel only shot room that's who shot room okay Jack Quaid. Yeah, he is Jack Quaid. He's in The Boys. He's in Scream. He is in Scream. Okay. That's all the questions? Yeah. I was going to give a little fun fact, but a fact. In the reaping in the movie, I volunteer and then Pete a bread boy. It's like, they're your victors. Not your victors, your tributes.

In the book, Haymitch passes out because he's drunk. And falls into his own puke. And all of that is life. I'm glad they didn't put that in the movie. Yeah, me too. Okay, so the character that you're most alike, this one's tough. Yeah. Yeah, this is tough because I could see you being closely associated with Katniss, but I could also see you being closely associated with, like, Effie. Why Effie? I could see it. Why Katniss? Uh, you can get scrappy. When you need to. Yeah.

So I'm going to go with Prim. Oh, yes. The combination of Katniss and Effie. Yeah. I think. Yeah. I would say you're more like Prim. Why? Prim was just, you know, she was just like just very innocent in that whole thing. You have an innocence about you, kid. So I'm going to go with Prim. Okay. It's my turn. Favorite part. I like the defiance of Katniss and Peter at the end with the night lock.

I like that because you can see that you that act of defiance. You could see like that. OK, this could be a problem. And Snow was Snow did not like that.

You could see that that he viewed he viewed something like that as a threat and it i don't know it's something it it speaks to the rebel in me it's very rebellious to say you know what man we will we will end ourselves right here right now y'all won't have no winner like the poison thing and how snow is poison yeah and it's it it really because what we know what we now know about snow obviously we knew snow was not a good dude but we know that poison is

like really his thing from when we watch songbirds so the fact that night lock is literally poison and that act of defiance also in in addition to rudin then that act of defiance and the other things that happen lead to the end of snow it's great least favorite part rudin least favorite part rudin the favorite character my favorite character ru okay i'm gonna go with ru she's great in the book.

I yeah I'm gonna go with Rue do you say your character Kato Kato don't like that guy Kato the names in Hunger Games are weird crazy too like I thought I'd mention that I've talked to you about it before you have we have talked about it, Pita not Peter Pita cause bread, But it's not spelled like Peeta, Brad. It's just, it's like Peeta. Like Cheetah without the H or the C-H or the H at the end. Peeta. Peeta. Cheetah. And then he hides.

Katniss's name is like from the swamp root thing. Yeah, from Songbird. Yeah. Swamp potato. Effie. Hamish. What's Hamish? Aberdeen? It's not Hamish's last name. Hamish. Aberdeen. Aberdeen. Aberdeen is the same as his last name? His name is very hard. Katniss Everdeen. Abernathy? Yes. Abernathy is a common... Never heard anyone that last. Yeah, Abernathy is a common... Effie Trinket. Now, that's an interesting... Trinket. Abernathy is a last name of the world nowadays.

Katniss Everdeen. Peeta Malark. Peeta Malark. Peeta. Peeta Malark. Gale has a normal name. Yeah. What's Gale's last name? Gale Hawthorne. He has the most normal name out of everybody. Hawthorne? Probably without the E at the end, though. It has an E. It has the E? Yeah. Hawthorne is a common last name. I went to high school with bunches of Hawthorns. It's a common last name. And then Gale? I mean, Gale is usually a female name.

Yeah. when I think of Gale I think of that one character from the Lego movie when I think of Gale I think of Gale from Scream Gale Weathers yeah Gale Weathers yeah who was the last weird name, I mean all of them Thresh Thresh yeah Foxface that's not her actual name but still weird Marvel, Coriolanus I thought his name was Cornelius straight up they could have just named Cornelius my brain autocorrects to Cornelius and then they kept saying

Corio and I was like who's that Coriolanus that's so fancy bro we get it, Coriolanus it's like Bartholomew like no. Who else what's her name Glimmer Glammer she that's, okay that's like a New York pageant okay that's such a stupid name that's hilarious and then what's her name Clove Clove Clove of garlic what like Clove was in there Clove is a food item of garlic Like you said, a clove of garlic in there. Yeah, the names are crazy. Have you asked me all the questions?

Yeah, you are. You didn't ask me my least favorite. Oh, yeah. Rudine. And then. You are like. Yeah. Can I tell you the character who I think I'm most like? I know that's different. I'm going to go that I'm probably more like Gail. I know. It's crazy. Don't really like that. I mean, okay, let's be fair. Gail is okay in the first one. Whatever. He's okay. He's an okay dude. It's not until later it's just like, oh, okay, you're really aggro. But in that first one, let's be fair. No. Let's be fair.

And then we'll talk about this in a second one. But let's be fair. The first movie. I want to be unfair. He does hold it down for Katniss's family. I mean, he does. That's like all he's good for. You need people like that in the world. That's just like, man, you know what? I got you. I got you. I would have said you're like Thresh. Why Thresh? Very obvious answer that I'm not going to say. Because I'm a black male and Thresh is a black male.

And there's not very many black people in the Hunger Games. But Thresh did he did have a he had a moment, where he had Katniss dead to rights just this one time 12 for Root he's much more expressive in the movie than he is in the book yeah in the book during his interview he only answers questions with a mmhmm, He doesn't see much. He doesn't do much. But he had to drop on Katniss in that movie, though. And he chose not to. Yeah, I think you're like him.

I'd be like, you know what? For real. If I see you again, I can't say. I can't say that I would do the same. So just run.

Okay, that's the first one. So let's get into Catching Fire. Catching Fire is crazy. Okay, probably my favorite. I think I have said this in our talks. Catching Fire is my favorite out of the four, well, out of the five. Catching Fire is insane. It's... Haven't gotten to that book yet, so I do not know anything about how the book, like, how the movie translates the book. Yeah, okay. How it's adapted from the book to the screen. I don't know, because I'm not there yet. I'm almost there, though.

Do you think we could call Ari in and she can give us a quick rundown? Do you think she would be down for that? No, because she can't walk. Okay, let's be clear She can walk Okay, so Ari hurt her foot She can walk Okay You don't think she would come and just say, hey, yeah, Catching Fire is like this compared to the movie, the book. I know some stuff. I can say some stuff. Okay. So Catching Fire, like I said. Catching Fire is crazy. It's my favorite. It's insane. It's because. So different.

Catching Fire is like the bridge between what the first Hunger Games is and then what the movies turn into. Because so much happens in Catching Fire that it's almost like the first part of it is almost like a mirror to the first one. Like, okay, boom, the games, blah, blah, blah. Oh, quarter quail. What are we doing? We're doing this. This is getting crazy. But then at some point in that movie, like it switches and there's a clear switch where you're just like, oh, oh.

If you didn't know nothing about the books and you just knew only about just the first Hunger Games movie, But you would, watching the first Hunger Games, you don't know that there's a revolution brewing. You may kind of get some hints of it if you're like in tune to stuff like that, which I am. I was like, okay, I don't know nothing about the books. I haven't seen Catch a Fire yet. But the first time I watched the first Hunger Games, I was like, okay, something's brewing.

Some type of revolution is going to happen. I don't know what, but obviously some type of revolution, they're setting it up.

But if you just if you don't not in tune to stuff like that when you watch catching fire and then all of a sudden that shift happens you're like whoa wait a minute this is this is turning out to be very different from the first movie it's crazy okay so at the end of the first hunger games peta and candace are like you know they're like the star-crossed lovers but turns out she was acting the entire time yeah

she ain't really like peta and it kind of hurts and gail likes to swoop in like the jerk he is. But they do, because they are the victors, they do get to move to like the fancy- The victor party. Victor circle? Yeah. Yeah. And there's not a lot of people that live there in District 12. No, obviously in District 12, it's just Haymitch and- The ghost of Lucy Gray Baird. Yeah. Yeah. Or is Lucy Gray Baird in there? No. She's in the trees, in the breeze, her footsteps on the ground.

You don't think- Let's go crazy for a minute. I love listening to the Ballad of Somburg and Snakes soundtrack, by the way. It's probably the best soundtrack because Lucy Gray can actually sing, you know? You don't think there is a world where Lucy Gray actually survives and is in Victor's circle and Snow knows that she's there, but he don't ever mess with her? You don't think that there is a chance? I don't know. I don't think she would have gone back to Dish. Where would she have gone?

13? The trees and the breeze, bro. 13? That was good. That's from the song. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. I love that soundtrack. Okay. All right. So back to Catch a Fire then. Yeah. So, yeah, they're living in the Victor Circle. Rich now. They are like the richest people in District 12. Yeah. Along with Haymitch. Yeah. And, man, it gets, things go left really, really quick. They have to go on the Victor tour.

Yeah. What happens with Victor's? they have to go tour it's in the name, go on yeah yeah so they're going from like different districts and no one cares no one cares because they're all everyone in the districts they have no power they have no food they have no water they have nothing and they just have to listen to katniss and pita pretend to love each other no one cares cat and they know and like they go to what district was you from the rules from lumber district i

think because like she can climb five district. 11 was i think it was 11 district 11 yeah it was 11.

Agriculture which i think they say 11 is modern day like like georgia i guess because all the black folks so like atlanta's in there because district 11 is like a bunch of black people it's like yeah all the black people live in district 11 so yeah and they go and you know they talk about katniss and thresh not katniss rue and thresh katniss talks about rue and thresh yeah she goes to 11 And she sees

Rue's family Yeah that was sad And then the guy he does the thing He gets killed by the peacekeepers, Peacekeepers They don't keep peace They make chaos Yeah they do, And it's wild And they keep doing the tour stuff. Oh in the beginning Guess who calls her in Snow And he's like I don't believe you're bullcrap, Pretty much in so many words. He said, I don't believe that you love Peeta because I know you don't. So I need you to convince me that you love him. And if you don't. Oh, no.

So they go on their tours and then they go to a party. I'm really skipping through this because it doesn't really work as, you know. But they go to a party and we get one of the weirdest parts in the series where like Peeta's like, oh, no, I'm too full. I can't possibly have another bite. And they're like, oh, drink this. And he's like, what is it? And they're like, it makes you sick. So you can keep eating. Yeah. Talk about excessive. It's like if you're not hungry anymore, stop. Stop.

So y'all have so much. That y'all need to, y'all need to eat. You have so much food that to, in order to keep eating for whatever reason. You have a special concoction that makes you sick so that you can eat more. It's crazy because you have the districts out there that have no food. I want to know how we got here. I want to know what led the United States, Mexico and Canada to become Pan Am.

How does that happen? I also really wonder about how people became like how the Capitol and all the people in the Capitol became a part of the Capitol. How do you? Well, wait, well, don't we get up? Maybe not a good explanation of that in Songbirds. but because there was a war. Believe it or not, Corey Elena Snow used to be poor. I mean, down bad. Down bad. I don't know, but I ain't going to say it's my least favorite part. But that was just crazy. She's like, whoa. That, like, man, y'all, what?

Just, like, wait until you're hungry again. Yeah. Tomorrow is going to come. That's what normal people do. Just eat again tomorrow. You don't got to eat it all right now. It's not healthy. It's not healthy. Because you know what happens when you eat, when you're not hungry?

You become sick naturally yeah anyway okay so catching fire man it and it just it goes we get so many new characters yeah we get a very cool in when we're actually in the games or like the quarter quell if you don't know the quarter quell is it's when they have all previous victors, basic be tributes yeah again so previous victors from previous games they could be they they are a fair game yeah and the sucky thing about district 12 is that katniss is the only female victor so when

they pulled from the bowl obviously it's just her name and then there's only two male victors and it was to haymitch and pita volunteer distribute because the only the the only choices for the quarter quail are the previous victors no one else no one else and it's like why'd snow do this because he hates katniss and he like i mean like you said she's the only.

Living that we know a female victor from 12 i think is oh also in this movie we see how snow is dying when he drinks his wine and then yeah out comes the blood the blood from his mouth yeah and we find out what that's all about in songbirds or we we find out about that later on in the other movies like oh it's poison finnick explains it yeah he explains it in his monologue, but but that poisoning happens in songbirds no isn't that the first yeah yeah

so yeah okay and then i mean then you know obviously you know cena you know they do the thing girl on fire the wings, the wedding dress we get the best thing PETA ever says in the movies I would if it weren't for the baby I would.

Y'all can't see but she did that so dramatically if it weren't for the baby her eyes are closed when she says that she does her hair yeah he yeah he's so smart pita's very smart pita's very smart because he he he plays the game outside of the hunger games he plays the game of the capital really really well he knows first get to the capital he's waving at people yeah he's all excited he's very much a golden retriever when he's doing his interview he was he's like he's he asked Mr.

Flickerman do I smell like roses and like then they get the crowd all riled up and it's Pete is very good he's very good at his good media training he yeah he is really good at that aspect of it Candace is good in the games cat Pete is good at the game yes because if people like you in the games they can send you stuff when you're in the games so pia's likable so that that that helps when you actually get into the arena and then things go crazy in the arena at the cornucopia yep what

they call it yeah isn't that like the thanksgiving thing where you put all the fruit yeah that's what it is yeah because it's like the heart of it in the games that's clever if it weren't for the baby. If it weren't for the baby. So, let's get to the questions. Yay. Who is your favorite character in Catching Fire? Finnick. Finnick is an interesting... Finnick. Didn't like him at first. Same. When I was younger. When he first comes on and he's... Because he's kind of...

Arrogant? Yeah. He's eating sugar cubes. Yeah, better for the horses. Hello, Katniss. I'm eating sugar cubes. You want one? Yeah, he's kind of, you know... Because he knows he's... He's... He's like suave, you know? He's smooth. Yeah. Yeah. He got riz. And I think it was very funny. Katniss just thinks he's so weird. Yes, she do. She's like, that guy is weird. But he's got riz. Don't ever say that again. He got the riz. I am not too old to say that, even the word riz.

But just in this very sentence, Finnick got riz. Yeah, and he... Had to pay that price. Yeah, we'll talk about that in the next episode. He's interesting, though. He's very helpful. He becomes very pivotal in the underlying subplot that's going on during the movie. He has a very interesting backstory. The whole thing with Mags and Annie. Because Mags, his mentor, she was the first Victor to ever go on a Victor tour. And Annie has also been in the Hunger Games. Yeah. It's crazy.

Yeah, actually, Annie was chosen for the Quarter Quail, but Mags volunteered. Yeah, Annie was chosen. How do Finnick and Annie get together? I thought they were together before. They were together before? Yeah. Okay. Let's probably explain more in the book. Probably. Okay. Finnick. Finnick. He's one of my favorite characters. Who would be your other? I don't remember his name. Nuts and Bolts, but the one that lives. Oh, the very smart guy? Yeah.

He's cool. That was Jeffrey Wright was the actor. Yeah. There's a lot of good characters to choose in Catching Fire. Ooh, we also meet Plutarch. He's the new game maker after Seneca Crane chose to stop breathing. Yeah. He chose to eat some nightlock berries. He chose to do that. It was a decision. Yeah, sure. I messed up. You know, I allowed this to happen. Plutarch. Plutarch. That's his name. It's weird. Like everybody else's. Finnick has a weird name.

Mags has a weird name. Annie has a weird name. Annie is a very common name in the world that we live in. Jeffrey Wright's character is Beattie. Beattie. Beattie is a genius. Yeah. Beattie was very, very smart. And that's how he won his games. Finn is also great and so that dies it's my other trauma and same with Mags yeah the fog yeah that fog was crazy okay so your favorite character is Finnick, Least favorite character. I don't remember. He's from like District 1.

He's like the brother and sister pair. The one that kills the other part of Nuts and Bolts. I don't want to offend anybody, but I'm not the biggest fan of Joanna.

That is a hot take. Go on. The entire part in the elevator really creeps me out. Are you talking about Gloss? Was it Gloss? He is a career tribute and a victor from District 1 alongside with his older twin sister, Cashmere. Stupid names. The actor that plays Gloss now plays Reacher in the Jack Reacher series on Prime Video. But yeah. Kills Wirus, Wirus, Wirus. The other part, like. Obedee's partner? Yeah. They were a couple, right? I don't think they were a couple.

They were close friends. Yeah, her name is Wirus. They were close friends. Oh, okay. Kills wires. And she, it's the whole reason they found out the whole thing was a clock. Tick tock. Yeah, she kept saying, tick tock, tick tock, tick tock. Not a big fan of Joanna because of that pie tire part. Because logically, she's older than Katniss and Peter, right? She would be up there. She's like- She got me in her mid-20s. She's an adult. And in that movie, they were like 16.

They were children. And she did the- She took her clothing off in the elevator amongst children. Let's see how old she was. Either way, regardless of her age. It's kind of weird. It's a weird move. It's kind of strange. Like, hey, hi, this is how I introduce myself to people. Candace is facing the entire parts of Larissa. Joanna Mason. He's 17. She was all in her reaping. So she's an adult. Yeah. Yeah, because she was in the 71st Hunger Games. And this is the 74th. This is the 70... Third?

Fourth? Third? The 75th because the Court of Quail is every 25 years, right? So it's the 75th game. This is the 75th game. So that's four years. 18, 19, 20. 21 or 22, somewhere in there. So yeah, weird. That's why I'm not a big fan of Miss Mason. Okay? Because if you think about that for a little too long, gets a little weird. Gets a little weird. Okay. So I'm not a fan. I don't like gloss. Gloss. Because he killed Wiris. Yeah. Tick tock. What is your favorite part of,

It's a very difficult question. There's a lot of good parts in the movie. The training, again, when they're in the capital. Yeah.

It's very interesting because all those tributes are very good at something. Yeah, they are. That made them win. Yeah. Like Finnick, he's very good at swimming. He's Aquaman. Spear. Or as a famous actor would say, Aquaman. I mean, you got Wyris and Beattie who are very intelligent. Yeah. They're just smart. They're very good. Like when they find out like the screen

thing. Yeah. That's that part. Like, it's very interesting because before, in the first movie, there was like, not to say those kids, especially like one and two, they had experience. But the other districts, like, their experience came from what their district, like, does. It's the specialty of their district. Yeah. And they're all kids. So, like, they are all technically inexperienced. Like, they haven't killed anyone before. But these, the quarter quail participants.

Yeah, they've killed people. You know who I also really like? The people from the ones that hide, that hid the entire games. Who? I don't remember what district they're from. But like when Himich was naming off all the victors that would be in the quarter quell. And he gets to those two. And they won because they hid the entire time. They just hid the entire time. That's what I'd do. That's my strat. I'm hiding until like a decent amount of people are gone.

That's kind of what Rue did. That is kind of what Rue did. The hideys. The hiders. Female morphling? The morphlings. Yeah. One of them dies, though. Because of the monkeys. The game makers were going crazy. Plutarch. Going crazy. They just doing stuff. The fog, the monkeys, the whole thing being a clock. It was, yeah, man. That arena was insane. You know, I was insane because I got a bigger budget. First movie was successful. That's typical happens with sequels. Lee's favorite part?

Did we talk about that? Nope. When the thing explodes, after Katniss shoots the dome, and they're like, yep. So we were all in on this thing, and we lost Peeta and Joanna. Oopsie daisy. They're gone. We couldn't. A whoops. Because, like, what do you mean? You got lost to them? What do you mean? Like you misplaced them? No, the district got them. They were caught. Like, bro. Yeah, we didn't have enough airplanes to get them out. Nope. Even though this airplane has plenty of space on it.

You were the priority, ma'am. The Mockingjay. You are the Mockingjay. Peter, get him out of there. Peter, he makes bread. Joanna. She gets naked in front of people. Get out of there. You, Mockingjay, you are the symbol. Mother Toon, forget about him. We ain't gonna go for him. Yeah, that's my least favorite part. Okay. Is that favorite character, least favorite character, favorite part, least favorite part?

You are in this movie ma'am Katniss okay you are Katniss because I could see you being in the situation and not knowing like any of this other stuff that's going on and you being like what what what I thought this was just another Hunger Games you mean to tell me that I'm a symbol of a revolution I could see you being like that all right yeah my turn favorite character man let's go to another question I'll come back to that one least favorite character.

Is it too obvious for me to say snow yes okay remember who the enemy is James, okay least favorite character I'm going to go with you know what But I will go with, man. Why you think? I think it's so funny. Like when, I think it's when they lost PETA. But like when Katniss hears Finnick and she sees Finnick, she's like about to shoot him. But she's about to shoot him. She was going to shoot. She was going to shoot him. She was. She was going to shoot him.

I will probably, I'll go with Joanna. Joanna, I'll say Joanna is my least favorite character because the whole elevator taking the clothes off thing was crazy. And then just her general demeanor. She does make a very good point in the interviews. I forgot about the whole interview part. They do get re-interviewed. And when she's like, I'm getting totally screwed over here. And like how the district leaped her. Like they show kids killing each other.

But like her profanity was too. Too much for the sensitive ears of the district and the Capitol. Yeah. No, I... Her, I guess I understand, but her demeanor was just like, bro, just be a little nicer. Come on, man. Just a little nicer. You don't got to be really nice. Just be a little more, just a little bit more. Okay. So, yeah, I'm going to go with Joanna's least favorite. My favorite character, my favorite character is going to be, God dog it, man. I'm going to go with Fennec.

It really trips me up to say that, though, because like that initial. Well, my name's Fennec. I'm eating sugar cubes. He was five and I first saw him. I didn't really like him, but he dies. I'm going to say it. Fake dies. Later on in the series, he don't make it. Fake dies. When he died, that was also my trauma. That was one of the most traumatizing part. But he gave a really good monologue. Joanne, not Joanne, Suzanne Collins regrets killing him and I regret her killing

him. I could understand that. Because he was great. He should have made it to the end. He should have seen what Pan Am becomes. Yeah. Yeah. So I'm going to go Fennec. Okay. Favorite part? Yeah, I think my favorite part is when Katniss shot at the arena and it did the thing. That's my favorite part. What's your favorite part? When Senna dies. That was, man. I forgot about that part. That's my least favorite part. I repressed the memory. That's my least favorite part.

It was so messed up. They did that on purpose. I mean, right when she's going to the arena, it's like, get over here. All they did was fuel her, though. It did fuel her. But dang it, man. But Santa was, he was good. Because throughout this whole thing, he was just like, I am going to build you up to be the symbol that you don't even know that you're going to be. He would love to see her in her. Final form. Yeah. Yeah. He would have designed it for her. Yeah. He made the girl on fire.

He is the reason that she became the girl on fire. So, yeah, that's the first two Hunger Games. Like I said, Catching Fire. The first two are my favorite.

Catching Fire is my first favorite. the first movie is my second favorite we'll the next episode we'll talk about those last two movies and then we'll do a standalone on songbirds just ah these next two like mock and jay part one is probably my least favorite movie i'll say that now it's just not a lot very much going on it's very much a build-up movie but even mock and jay part two is just like ah it's ah you know songbirds and snakes is actually insane songbirds and snakes is um you when

you're watching that one you you you have hope like you know this dude you know you know who he turns out to be you know who he who he becomes but when you're watching you're like me man if he would have made better decisions he may have become a better person if he just would have not done that thing or said that thing or made that that choice he probably would not become the the raging dictator that's slowly dying that he became so yeah

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Trying to get my pop socket back trying to get your pop socket back on your phone um got it she got it uh so yeah we don't got any trips coming up our next episodes are going to be reviews our next few episodes we'll do we're gonna do like the next 200 games songbirds and snakes and then we're going to do a review of the umbrella academy we'll have to go we haven't done, we've never we never talked about the umbrella we will talk about the umbrella academy season one to four we'll probably

break it up though yeah because that will end up being a two-hour episode if we did the all the seasons together yeah we wouldn't do that that's it until you hear us next time stay dumb you know i really get very curious about where i would like to i would like to see a prequel of Hamish he's getting one is he getting one do you not know that there's gonna be a book and a movie seriously yeah I did not know that it's very interesting because Hamish in his games he had double

the people so instead of 24 there were 48 people and he was he killed 47 people no he didn't kill 47 people but he he outlived 47 people why did why were there so many I guess we'll find out in the book and movie uh-huh.

Man i'm i'm looking i did not i i just thought about that i'm like curious about his early life yeah i want to see it i want to see how he became like he he was he he was in the games with double the people that are usually in the games and he lived and then became a raging drunk raging alcoholic that loves to drink in excess i want to see that story i did not know that thank you for telling me that daughter all right that's it that's it.