(Some More) Stuff About The Hunger Games | Episode 43

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I think we can say the words. Are you coming to the tree? That is all. Are you coming to the tree? That is all. Okay, so Mockingjay Part 1. I just want to say that of, and I think I said this in our last episode, of the Hunger Games movies, this is my least favorite.

And i feel strongly about that i have very strong feelings about it being my least favorite my least which one of the mockingjays is your least favorite part one or part two part one, this one part one is my least why are you looking at me like that i'm pondering yeah mark mockingj and and it is no for other no for no other reason except that mockingjay part one is very boring from a action perspective like it's it's it's not meant to have action because it's meant to set up for mock and jay

part two which is the conclusion of the series but only for that reason is just it's just they're talking a lot and then they're doing the recordings of the propos and it's just it's just very dull dull let me say like this i don't dislike the movie is just my least favorite of the hunger games movies and that's including battles of songbirds and snakes which is not my top favorite either it's my top favorite i know it is we'll

talk about that in the next episode that being said though let's start with maca j part one we're going to do this in our normal fashion we're going to talk about the stuff we like stuff we didn't like favorite character least favorite character character we're like that's it would you like to start.

Okay well how do you feel about mocking jay part one i don't know it's it's depressing yeah depressing but i don't hate it it's definitely not my favorite though yeah i don't it's not my top three yeah it's my definitely my top five though because there's only five of them okay so getting into it what was your favorite part what happens in that movie again, okay so it starts off with katniss wakes up well no she woke up at the end of

catching fire which is my favorite oh no nothing really you're right about nothing happening in. There's nothing I can say that sticks out. But, okay, so she wakes up. She's in District 13. She learns that District 13 was actually never, you know, well, she learned that District 13 was never destroyed. And that is pretty much the headquarters for the rebellion. And she meets President Snow, not Snow, President Coyne. And then Plutarch is there and they want her to be the symbol of the rebellion.

She does some videos. They're not very good. And she actually goes out on the front lines of the war, goes, visits a hospital, snow blows up the hospital. They do some other stuff. PETA is PETA was captured at the end of Catching Fire. Him and Joanna are in the capital. PETA has become a propaganda instrument by the capital. They record these videos of what's his got? What's a guy name that does the interviews and laughs like this?

Ha ha ha ha. Cesar Cesar does some interviews with PETA and it's broadcast all over Panem and then there's a point where they're they're interviewing him and he starts looking really really bad like they've been torturing him and conditioning him and they've been brainwashing him and in one of the videos he was able to break his conditioning because BD the really smart guy was able to break into the transmission show the footage of of Katniss walking around

the rubble of the hospital I think that snow blew up and then PETA snaps out it very quick for a quick second was able to warn them that they're on their way to bomb 13, District 13. They come, they bomb District 13. And so all the people at District 13 go deeper underground because District 13 is virtually underground, but they go deeper underground to evacuate from the attack. They come back as a bunch of white flowers.

Toward the end of Mockingjay Part 1, a team is put together from District 13. They go into District 13 to rescue Joanna and PETA.

Joanna's just being Joanna about it. And then PETA, we learned, has been hijacked with hijacker, swaggerjacker venom. Is that what it was? Swagger Jacker? What was it? Tracker Jacker? Tracker Jacker Venom. And it's turned him very, very violent. So anytime he sees Katniss, he attacks her. And as a matter of fact, he sees Katniss and he attacks her. And the movie ends with PETA being strapped to a bed and trying to get away from the strappings of the bed.

And they talk a bunch in the middle of all of that. And we learn where A-boxes are. So what's your favorite part of all of that?

I guess any part where we see pita for like when he's like being recorded in the capital okay so it's like the only action that happens yeah my favorite part is when they actually went in to rescue pita and joanna just because i mean it you know they use tactics and they you know cut off the power oh there was an attack by the rebels because some of the videos were actually working on the other districts that they were putting together and it was inspiring people to join the rebellion.

So they did attack this dam. I like that part too. Yeah. I forget what districts like the Lumber District, but when they do that, when they bomb the Peacekeepers, I like that part too. Yeah, so some stuff happens that helps the rebellion. Well, like the main characters aren't doing much. So yeah, that was your favorite part? Sure. Least favorite part? The rest. Alright, we're gonna get through Makajik Part 1 pretty quick, aren't we? I guess so. Okay, ask me stuff. What's your favorite part?

Yeah, when they went in and got Joanna and Pita. What's your least favorite part? Probably the rest. No, actually, I'm going to say my least favorite part was probably... I didn't like the... When they were first recording the Prabos, that just seemed very forced. I didn't like that. They just... They were kind of phoning it in. You know what I mean? Mm-hmm. Okay. I don't care for this movie now that I see. You don't care for this movie definitely my top six though top six there's six of them.

Okay let's just get through the mind of jay part one okay favorite character, fennec why i don't know it's fennec it's fennec right yes at least favorite character gale go on he's so big baby like he's when like they see the um recordings of pita he's He's like mad at Peter that he's, you know... Captured? It's like, he's like, I would never say any of the stuff he's saying. It's like, well, I don't think he wants to say that because he doesn't agree with it. Gale?

Yeah, I don't like that guy. Don't like that guy. Man. My least favorite character will probably be... Who's your favorite character? Oh, my favorite character? I said Finnick. Because he's Finnick, you know? And then my least favorite character is probably... Snow. Okay. Is that easy? Is that a cop out? I mean, he was just... Doing a lot. He's just... You blew up a hospital? Yeah, man, you blew up a hospital. Because Katniss went there? Grow up. Just grow up, man.

Just... Reminds me of somebody. I'm not going to go there. Anyway. Favorite part? Oh, no, we already did that. Favorite character, least favorite character. Favorite part, least favorite part. You are... Katniss. Why? Because she was very annoyed recording those propos at first. He was like, Pan Am, we fight. Justice. Justice or something. She's just like, she was not a fan. And I could just see you being like, could we do this differently?

Who am I? Was Boggs in this movie? Yes, Boggs was in this movie, but just briefly. Not as much as he is in Mockingjay Part 2. We get to Mockingjay Part 2 in like two minutes. You're moms. Okay. Who am I in this one? It's difficult, isn't it? Finnick. Why Finnick? He was very over it. Like, very over it. He wished everyone who was captured dead because then, like, if they were dead, at least they were dead, you know? They ain't got to deal with this stuff. Yeah. Okay.

Are we finished with Mockingjay Part 1? Do we have anything else to say about it? Hmm. It happened. I'm going to go on ChatGPT and ask, what are some key things that happened in this movie? So it is so bad. Well, it is so much not happening in this movie that Yanni is going to go to ChatGPT and ask it to give some key things about the movie.

Just so that we can talk about it for a little bit longer before we get into Mockingjay part two, which we'll probably talk about a little bit longer. They sing the hanging tree. That's like one of my favorite parts. Oh yeah. That's where that comes in at the hanging tree. Okay. So your favorite part is when they are you, are you. Will thou, will thou go live to the Arbor Arbor? Cause we don't want to get sued. They hung up a guy who killed three personas.

Yeah. Maka J Part 2? Sure. All right, let's go. So, Maka J Part 2. A lot happens in this. Yes, yes. A lot, a lot, a lot. So much more than I can actually remember in Maka J. Right doesn't have much maka jay part two if i rank it it is definitely my top five.

Catching fire first hunger games this is probably my third favorite and then songbirds and snakes and then maka jay part one is my is my least as i have said many times my least favorite i'm not going to do that rundown of what happens in maka jay part two because a lot happens but basically the rebellion is marching toward the capital is the gist so what is your favorite part, so like really happy parts of this movie there's not a lot of happy parts no.

Even at the end there's not a lot of happy parts when katniss shoots president elma coin yes that is my favorite part as well we learn in this movie that president coin who we met in mock and jay part one and is the leader of the rebellion is not a good person no she sucks she is a not great person at all she is so not great that she stages a bombing in the capital that kills a bunch of people including including prim katniss's sister and the whole reason the whole reason

katniss went to the hunger games was so protect prim and then she dies and guess whose fault it is gales and this is why gale is my least favorite character in this movie gale's been my least favorite character since the beginning yeah you have not been a fan he's my least favorite character and he's not even in ballad of song words it's nicks it's decades before he is born when that is said you hate that guy coin is like just she's the other side of the coin.

Of snow you thought i did yeah so she's just not good either so yeah my favorite part is when katniss kills her uh-huh yeah a least favorite part yeah what's your least favorite part fennec does man what that was sad got killed by one of them like zombie mutant things yeah It was bad. His last words were caddis. That part, like, the first time I watched the Hunger Games, I was five, and that part stuck with me.

Forever it's been 10 years it's been 10 years you are 15 now my least favorite part i would say finnick dies my least is my second least favorite part we don't do that but my least favorite part is when boggs dies because i thought he was gonna make it to the end i first time i saw it i was like okay yeah he's gonna oh he nope he's not alive anymore and he wasn't so yeah that would be my my least favorite part my least favorite character is uh is gail i

said i said you know because least favorite character is gail because here's the thing about gail like gail in this movie he gail throughout the whole series is he progresses himself to become an op like in the beginning and i said this on the last episode gail to me was not that bad in the first couple of movies because to his credit he did like do what he could to protect prim and mrs everdeen yes because we don't know her name no did what he could to

protect them you know in part one when when katniss goes off to the games and then part two when she goes off to the quarter quail and then the rebellion is happening in the background gail was the one that got them out of 12 and got them to 13 so to his credit he's helpful he's he's been helpful but then he becomes an op.

Because he knew that coin was not on the up and up he almost marched catniss to her death if you think about it because as they get into the capital at you know during that whole thing what happened was there was a bomb that went off that part also was traumatizing and so prim Prim, because Prim, you know, is training to become a doctor, a medic. She's she's training to be a medic in District 13. So when all of this stuff is happening, she's deployed out to the Capitol to

help. And then there was a secondary bomb. But lo and behold, it was Coyne that was behind that. And Gail knew that was going to happen. And he admitted it to Katniss. He's just just a big baby. He just does not like PETA, too. PETA would never. PETA, even though he likes Katniss, he's still, like, in Catching Fire. When Gale was attacked, he was fine. He could have walked it off when he was whipped. And Katniss was watching him.

And then PETA offered to look after him. Gail would never do that for PETA. Ever. Gail would never have done anything for PETA that PETA did for Gail. I agree with that. Because PETA understands that Gail's important to Katniss. So, you know, even though I like her and it seems like he likes her too, I'll be civil.

Gale isn't civil Gale isn't civil and another thing about it is that you know I'm sure there's a lot that happens in the books obviously there's a lot that happens in the books that didn't make to the movie is there anything in the books about Gale that gives him any redeeming qualities at all like at this point I haven't read that yet okay we would have to ask Ari because I would like to know if there's some other nuances there like where's Gale's parents

for example are they Have they been unalived? Because, I mean, they're not in the movies at all, and I'm just wondering if they're in the books. I mean, Peter's family's not in the books and the movies at all. That's true. His dad's a very big, like, not very big, but he's definitely there. But they all die. His entire family dies. Peter's entire family has died? Yeah. In the book? In the movie, too. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Yeah, and then the other thing about Maka J Part II. Peter has two brothers. Oh yeah yeah baguette and tortilla baguette. Bazinga that was good that was good the other thing that happens in maka j part two is like they pretty much have to go through like the capital and it's pretty much, Like the games. Snow was trying. Like Snow kept saying like I killed them and then they were alive. He's like I killed them again guys. But then they're still alive. He's like guys I don't worry this time.

I actually did kill them and they're still alive. Yeah. We also meet Tigress in this movie. Yeah Tigress. Who is that? I thought that Tigress and Snow were siblings. They're not siblings. They're cousins. They're cousins yeah. She hates him. Now we didn't know that Tigress and Snow were cousins. At the time. At the time because obviously Battles of Songbirds and Snakes is.

New a retroactive prequel yeah but snow has a cousin he has a living relative who despises him she didn't always despise him i wonder what happened yeah i would be curious to see like what happened i would be like what led to them breaking apart because you could say the little things that we know about tycris in my in marking game part two is like she just says like something along the lines of like oh i i wasn't pretty enough anymore like.

She didn't fit into his aesthetic but in bet i know we're gonna talk about it in the next episode but in bowser's songbirds and snakes she wasn't an ugly person so what happened i like i really want now that you bring that up what happened because she now she looks like a tiger like really like animal like looks like an animal what did did any did anything like that i can't remember did she start looking like that in about some words no no she was she was

a person the whole way through but you could tell she was starting to like become not afraid of not afraid of but cautious yeah weird that is weary is a good word yeah we'll talk about that more a lot of people start becoming weary of Coriolanus yeah yeah he just I don't know man I think people like that people that are in power like that they fear losing their power so much because they become their identity becomes wrapped up in that power and if they lose that power.

Essentially they they to them they lose their identity and I think that's snow pretty much that that sums him up in a nutshell right he just he's very powerful because he he's the president of pan am yeah and and and the threat of that power being lost makes made him lash out just be doing stuff you know you are like katniss how i don't know she just she.

Expect i'm and i'm i think not even so much throughout the movie but especially toward the And she becomes aware of what's really happening and then took action on it. I could see you being in that position and being like, wait a minute. What I thought was real is not real. Coyne is actually, especially after talking to Snow, right? And this was after Snow had been put in custody and she went and talked to him. Snow is a very interesting character. He is a case study.

He's not a good guy. But one thing I do appreciate about him is how he's never lied to Katniss. He has never lied to Katniss. Why do you think that is?

He doesn't appreciate being lied to because he was he's lied a lot in his life okay go with me for a second yes that yes i agree with that but although we knew at the time that mock and jay part two came out that there was not there wasn't even a balance of songbirds and snakes but now that it is part of a canon and if i if i if i put my mind there with that movie being a part of the canon now there is something about katniss that snow respects and i think it's something

that reminds him of of lucy gray he doesn't like he really doesn't like katniss because she's named after a swamp potato that his ex mentioned once a swamp potato yeah katniss stuff that they be eating.

He really doesn't like her but also because she is she uh she's a formidable opponent for him yeah like he likes the game he likes the cat and mouse game because he could have just killed her right many times i mean there was many times where he could have just been like man just air struck her house in in district 12 why did he leave her house alone and then left white left white roses in it? He likes this cat and mouse back and forth that he has with her.

He likes that. So many times he could have killed her. Could have just been done with it. Ah, man, watch out. He could have let her eat Nightlock. The first Hunger Games that she was in. She could have died right then and then. Could have been like, all right, man, watch out. But he wasn't going to do that because. People liked her. People liked her. And there's this thing about the games. I always, there's this. Throughout the series, there's a certain fragility associated with the games.

And it's like, man, if the people turn on the games, the people could turn on me.

Yeah and so to keep the games going like that's when he that he allowed them to not take the night lock and win those games the 74th games to begin with which is what led to all his undoing ultimately but there's something about katniss that i think he there's a certain level of respect that he has for her and i think there's also just a certain level of i don't want to say guilt I think he just likes the game he needs an opponent without an opponent people like that they need an enemy

I'm I'm I'm saying a lot of underlying things right now and if you are very attuned to what is happening in the world specifically our country you're picking up on it hopefully but people like that need an enemy and Katniss was that for Snow like he needed her because without her like it's like ah just you're just a bad guy but he needs an enemy to justify what he's doing you know what i mean indeed and so even while that like even at the end when katniss kills coin he smiled remember yeah

like you know because it was supposed to be him that she killed right and he's you know tied up he's bound and so when she fires the arrow and she kills coin he smiles now.

Then the crowd killed him very shortly after that but he smiled and i think there was i don't know in his mind he i don't know maybe he thought that i still got a chance maybe and then he was killed immediately by the crowd all that being said who am i like bogs why though i don't know he's i'm black no we should do we should turn this podcast to a video podcast so people can see us so they could have saw the look on your face before you said no.

Yes my daughter thinks that i'm like the black guy in the movie because i'm a black guy i'm a girl because i'm a girl no i there have been times that we have done movie movie talks and i have said you're white men many times before and i have said that you are male characters before So what? What? So Bags, why? I don't know. He has like... He's like nonchalant. He's very, like, level-headed, and also he's, like, a really good guy. Thank you. And he's black.

I'll take it. So, yeah, Boggs is, I don't know, I like Boggs, and I think he's my favorite character. It's because he's African-American. No. You're in Black History Month. This is Black History Month, 100%. It's Black History year. It's Black History Decade, Black History Millennium. But Boggs is my favorite character because he brings a certain level of calmness. Like you said, he is a pretty like just level-headed person.

Even amongst all of the chaos that is going on around him, even all the way up pretty much until the point that he dies, he does bring a certain level of just calmness to the whole thing. It's a shame that he didn't make it to the end.

I wish he could have saw what the beginnings of what Pan Am hopefully turned into, which is better and then they elected a new president we found out so like at the very end of the movie madam madam madam madam madam president madam madam madam madam madam madam yeah she was the rebel leader of district whatever the district that the hotel the uh the hospital was in she was the rebel leader there that's who paler paler paler commander paler she they they have elections in Pan Am

and she's elected president and yeah, and hopefully Pan Am becomes a better place. The other thing about, Cohen actually wanted to have one last Hunger Games and she wanted the children of the capital to be in the games. I don't think, also like most of the kids in the capital that we see are very young. Like with the capital, like no with the Hunger Games with the districts, like you have to be 11 to what, 18?

Yeah, something like that. So, but like with the kids in the Capitol, at least the ones that are shown on screen, they look like five and below. But I think it's something interesting about an opposition leader like Coyne. I can't imagine a five-year-old shanking another five-year-old. It's kind of hard to take your mind there. Coyne was an opposition leader and it was very much, she wanted to get her revenge first before actually governing. Thank you for listening.

And she thought it would be a good idea to put the young children of the Capitol inside one last Hunger Games arena and have them kill each other. How's that revenge? How would that make you feel any better? We don't know enough about... 23 kids are dead. Woo. Yeah. Well, we don't know enough about coins. Like... I don't know anything about her. We don't know anything about her except that she was not a great person.

Yeah. But I don't know. Maybe something happened. she just just it's the capital that much and she's willing to let more kids die or she's just a crazy person or she sees this as like justice yes yes everyone else in the district yeah this is justice like even though everyone in the districts hates it they're just like we don't want it like like just because we don't like the capital doesn't mean we want kids in the capital to go in and kill

each other because you got to think about like the people the people of the capital.

Are complicit i'll say that the people of the capital are complicit because it didn't they it didn't take them until the very end of the whole thing to actually be like oh man this this is really bad and it wasn't until they became victims of snows you know lashing out that they actually fell in place with the rebels right because all throughout those 70 some odd years that they were having hunger games they were like pumping it up like yeah yeah it was television it was entertainment

right i can empathize with coins plight and being that nah man like when we take over we got to get them back but that was never gonna work out that was never going to because guess what now you have another rebellion you you know what i mean you've upset other people right now because now you've othered those people and and you've sparked the flame of what could potentially be another uprising at some point reconciliation has to happen yeah you can't mistreat people

and expect them to just take it right just maybe even if they have had it really good for a really long time you mistreat them they're gonna be mad you kill their kids they're gonna be mad this happened this is indicative of all like entertainment just think about well you don't know but in star wars kind of the same thing like the when when the new republic took over. There was a certain level of at least what I know about the New Republic after the Empire.

There was a certain level of reconciliation. The New Empire, I mean the New Republic actually took old Imperial officers and brought them into the New Republic. There was a whole program that we learned about in one of those TV shows on Disney+. Bad Batch. No, it wasn't Bad Batch. It was one of the live action shows. Something, there must have still been... Soak Up. No, it wasn't Ahsoka. I think it may have been Mandalorian we learned about? I can't remember which one.

No, there wasn't Skeleton Crew. Skeleton Crew has really not much very to do with the Empire New Republic dynamic at all. I'm wondering if there's something about the New Republic that I don't know that made people still feel othered that were loyal to the Empire because then the First Order came and became the, you know, the rebellion against the New Republic.

Anyway it happens in arcane too we're learning about this in school as well so i'm talking about school in arcane so in school we're learning about like we've it's black history month and we've been learning about like segregation jim crow laws and my teacher my amazing teacher has been asking us what happens when you separate people like what how would you feel if you were in a group of people and you were taken out you wouldn't feel very good you mean like it like why like either

there's something wrong with you or you're special okay okay when you separate people when.

You make when you make one group of people feel other especially in a period of time where power shift has has happened like a power dynamic change has occurred like what happened in the in Mockingjay part two but then when you other the people that were on the other side of you before that power change in arcane if you watch arcane you know there's a top side and a bottom side top side they are very wealthy and progressive

and very technologically advanced bottom side not no they are not at all no now i say the average person probably falls in the middle there's no middle city though so like if we were in arcane we'd be like.

Like upper middle but like still still the middle because like the top side is like you are contributing and you're very wealthy okay bottom side is you are not the lowest of the low okay and they the people on the top side can't seem to comprehend when you treat people like when you make them seem like scum they don't like that people on the bottom they're doing a lot of bad things and they and it's affecting the top and the top is just like oh they're horrible people,

It's like, well, yeah, you make people feel bad, they're going to do something about it. You can't treat someone like crap and expect them to just, oh, okay, and just take it. There's something to be said about a leader in particular that does that. Yeah. Because Coyne could have came in and said, all right, man, this is a period of peace and rebuilding and just trying to figure things out.

Kind of what happened after the Civil War. We had the whole, there was a whole reconstruction period where they was trying to just get things back to together. And then, you know, then Jim Crow laws and we know what happens from there. But Coyne just, she just couldn't chill. Like she couldn't just leave it be. She had to seek vengeance. She had to seek that vengeance. Vengeance before governing. Like if she would have been just been like,

all right, we're doing that Hunger Games stuff. Let's figure out how to just get. Pride comes before the fall. Pride comes before the fall. That is. Snow lands on top. But before that happens, snow must fall. Snow must fall. And that is a reference to Ballas of Songbird. Teachers also said not the snow thing. She said pride comes before the fall. Pride does come before the fall. Usually every time. Usually when you have someone that's very prideful and they're in charge of something.

And they just make a mockery of it, they usually fall. It may take a little bit of time, but they usually fall. Their karma will come. It may not affect them, but it will affect the people. Coyne, right? She's my least favorite character, I think I say. Did we do least favorite for Mocker J Part 2? Yeah.

Who did I say? Gale. I changed my mind. Okay. Coyne. Okay. I still hate Gale. I get it. No, Coyne, because she could have just left well enough along. So I think we did all the stuff. And if we didn't, whatever. Eh, it's fine. You want to take a wild ride and just like go down just a rabbit hole real quick before we end? Sure. Have you heard the theories about who Coyne actually may be? No. There's fan theories. Puck. No, absolutely not. There's these fan theories. Lee Harvey Oswald.

No, but there's fan theories that says that Coyne may be, possibly could be, Lucy Gray's daughter. There's others, too. A lot of theories about Lucy Gray. Yeah, yeah.

I'm just doing a little Googling real quick. there was also there's also theories that says that coin is actually lucy gray that is less believable for me because that would make her a 70s or 80 some 80 year old some odd woman and coin was not that coin is lucy gray's daughter that coin well there's there's many there's that one coin is lucy gray's daughter or that coin is lucy gray that one i would find less believable just because of the age that and coin was

clearly not an 80 year old like something because she'd be the same age as snow and she's not right i'd say like snow was like 80 yeah something like that late 70s and then almost like 60 50s maybe you know what i mean yeah i i just i don't think i don't think so i think snow's got like 10 15 years on her then a part of that whole theory of coin being lucy gray's daughter is that coin is actually also the child of snow it'd be funny if they both had white hair so

i'm gonna google real quick and we're not there there's that one and there's a lot of theories what's her name well i actually don't know her name but in the first time of games the woman that gives katniss the mocking jay pin yeah yeah i've seen that one that is lucy gray so yeah in.

Some fanon fan canon alma coin is the daughter of snow the explanation is is that snow had a daughter named alma coin with miss alina a woman from the stone family snow and miss alina were married for almost five years during which time miss alina gave birth to alma snow later had coriolanus's mother help bring false treason charges against Miss Alina, who was tried, found, guilty, and executed. Snow also has a granddaughter, which means he had at least one other child, likely with Livia Cardew.

That is not what I was looking up, but that is interesting, I guess. Here's what I was looking for. Al McCoy, daughter to Snow and Lucy Gray? What you think? What do you think about that? I feel like Lucy Gray wouldn't, man. Because we just don't know what happens to her, and we'll talk about that more obviously in the next episode.

Interesante. Thank you. That is it far-fetched like she wouldn't go back to 12 she would probably like like finding 13 or like rebuilding 13 that would make sense because why would she go up to 12 yeah like why why would she it was not safe for her there no like where would she go 13 how would she get there yeah and how far is 12 and 13 from each other like is 13 like okay let's let's pull up a map of panem, there's many like maps of panam out there on on the on the interwebs let's pull up one.

So district 12 is pretty much 13 is like underground right yeah 13 is underground but it it would still need to be somewhere right yeah so on this map there's 13 is not even on it's not even on it let me see it would need to be close enough for like because think about it Like, Gale got them to 13. So how did he do it? It has to be close enough. Like, District 12 can't be, like, New York City and then 13's, like, L.A. It's just, no, that wouldn't make any sense. Let me find a different map.

I don't want one with a legend. I need the numbers written. Okay, so on this map that I found on Reddit, and this is, again, you know, fan-made, but district 12 is pretty much like the kind of like the upper east coast. So think like New York, Maine, Rhode Island, like that whole area kind of going and even going up into Canada somewhat. And then 13 is like right next to that, which will kind of explain when you think about like if.

I forget Panem like the United States. Panem is the United States, Canada and Mexico, a good portion of Mexico or a good portion of Canada, not all of it. And then Mexico. But do you remember there was there's there's there's like this whole. Like, I feel like almost like a border between 12 and 13 that they show in one of the movies, like when they're out, like, hunting or something. I don't know. Just like a fence between 12 and, like, the woods.

Maybe. Or maybe it's a fence between 12 and what was 13. That's why it's supposed to be electrified, like an electric. I don't know. Maybe. Possibly. Could be. But 13's got to be close enough to 12 for Gail to get Mrs. Everdeen and Prim there. Possibly on foot. We don't know how they got there. I would imagine they didn't get in, you know, his pickup truck and drive there. Right. Anything else? I have nothing else to contribute. Tribute.

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Four score and seven years ago our fathers brought forth. Forefathers? No. On this continent, a new nation conceived in Panem and Panem and Panem that all Panemians are created. Panem. Would they be Panemians? Now we are engaged in a great Panem war testing whether that's Panem or any Panem so conceivably so dedicated can long endure.

So this is the Panem address. We are met on a great battlefield of that Panem, we have come to dedicate the fortune of that Panem as a final resting place for them who here gave their lives that Panem might have lived. It is altogether fitting and proper that we should do this, but Panem, since we cannot. Music.