Sean Clifford: Canopy Parental Control App – S3E13

You're listening to the Dudes and Dad's podcast, a show dedicated to helping men be better dudes and Dads by building community through meaningful conversations and storytelling. And now here are your hosts, Joel Demott and Andy Lehman. Joel is here. I'm not dead, Dude. You're welcome back. Oh, it's so good to be here and really, really good to be here. Yes, it is. It's been a long time since we've been in studio together, and it's awesome.

I blame a few things, primarily travel, baseball, and it's been a busy season with the new executive job. Blah, blah, blah. But you know what I said? Enough of that get my priority straight, right? Get back in the studio with my best friend. And here we are for another great episode. Looking forward to it. Do we need to catch up on anything? I don't think so. Any major life happening? I've been on autopilot clearly, clearly for a while, right? No, I think we're doing good.

Yeah, it's one of those things, guys. And we've and I should say, first of all, major shout out to our good friend Jason Wier, who's been helping this show in my absence, along with some other great people that have been on and around. And and I just should say, from the bottom of my heart, thank you for showing me that I am so easily replaceable. That's what I said. That's what I wanted to just put out there that even Train Monkey could come in.

And are you calling Jason a Train Monkey? I'm not. No, I'm just saying even below the level of other guest hosts, clearly, if it's you at a Train Monkey, the show could go on and go on. I could go on.

So what are we talking about? So, Andy, tonight we have Sean Clifford on with us. Welcome to the show, Sean. We'll get here to like who you are and why you have you on. But welcome to the show. Thanks so much for having me on. So Sean actually is a father also. So we like to start with our dad stats, which is about your kids, your wife, your family. What do you like to do? Father of four? Yes. And a boy, four kids, 9 year old daughter, and then three boys behind at 7, 4 and a half.

We can't forget that. And then two years old gotcha. So it's a busy season of life, especially since we're body training the young right now. Oh, my God. Which is Yeah. I have had work trips for the first three to just so happen to coincide and did not work out this time working through that. Now, coming up on 14 years of marriage to my wife, who's amazing and still put up with me and is just great. So living here in Austin, Texas, we moved here about five years ago. It's been fantastic for us.

The city's kind of a boom town now and is a great bit I'm originally from New Mexico, and my wife is from Tallahassee, Florida. It's Southern enough for her to get sweet. Tea is good enough for me to get green chilly. That's right. So we're kind of in the sweet spot, and I think we're in our forever home. We're just we're here. We love it. We've got a tribe you live with. Very grateful. That's awesome.

Well, we wanted to talk with you a little bit tonight because you are the CEO of a company called Canopy. But can you tell us just in a nutshell what Canopy does? And then we'll go deep in a little bit more deeper into that? Absolutely. Canopy is a digital parenting app. We've created software that you would put on your child's devices, smartphone, tablet or computer, and it effectively delivers your child porn free Internet experience.

It deters sex then and helps make sure that there's some guardrails up as they get on devices and navigate this crazy new digital world that we live in. That's great. Now I'm parenting kids that are of the age that have that age group is exposed to porn and things like that. Joel, is sounds like you are, too, because what is the average age now that kids are actually seeing porn? It is a great question. Three years ago, New York Times said that it was around 13 years old for boys.

Two years ago, I saw there was about 11 years old. And now the last research that I've seen is somewhere between eight and 11 is the average exposure to hardcore pornography. Man, that's tough. And as a parent, we don't have a whole lot of options. I know that myself. I have an iphone. Joel, you have an Android, and thanks for pointing that out. I appreciate you. There's just real. There's not a lot that you can do.

I mean, I can lock it down a little bit, but I found the things that I struggle with is having my kids being able to access the things that they need to access while keeping them away from things that they don't need to access. I can lock down, take away the Safari browser, but that doesn't help them because it neuters the whole thing. Yeah, that's exactly right. We cannot be our pro tech.

We think these things are amazing, and they are as ubiquitous as they are because they're compelling, whether it's for education or social life. And on that point, the average social life of American teenagers today revolves around their devices. Their digital life is their social life very difficult to separate out or keep it up with family, especially over. You mean, the last year with the pandemic like these things played such an incredible, important role in our lives.

And yet, as you allude it's a pipe. It can bring fresh water into your home or sewage, sometimes both at the exact same time. And it's complicated, and it's really challenging. So it's challenging enough just like from a technological perspective. I also think one thing that's tricky is that the first generation that's really wrestling with this meaning, right? There have been pornography is age old. There have always been parenting challenges.

But we're the first generation is really trying to figure out, Hey, what does healthy use of a smartphone look like for my kid? Or how to figure out Snapchat and like, what etiquette around that is or things like that. And it's brand new, and it's hard. And we're kind of stumbling our way forward trying to figure it out as we go, which is never fun because of with kids. The stakes are high not to, like, put pressure on it, but these things are pretty formative and powerful.

And so we want to make sure that we get it right. So tell me a little bit about the company itself. When was it founded? I've just heard about it here. We just recently. So when was the company founded? Canopy itself was founded in 2,019. We just staged our product launch in the United States in March of this year. So we're just getting out into market in the States here, which is very exciting for us.

But the technology itself was developed in Israel from a company that was founded about 13 years ago and has been off to the races there in Israel today. The same technology is protecting about 2,000,000 devices and about of the schools. And so they've kind of taken it developed, and we're bringing over here to American families. That's awesome. So tell me a little bit about how your app works.

Yeah. So the app is something again, you download to your child's device, and then it works in the background. And it basically is a next generation Internet filter. The thing I love about it is how it actually works. Like the tech is, like, under the hood. So two amazing things happened in Israel that kind of make this possible. The first is they trained artificial intelligence to identify unity and pornography. 99 7 accuracy. Wow. So basically there's this machine over there.

We're still trying to figure out what to call the machine, but Tom is one option. So Tom is really good at figuring out what is nudity and pornography. So that's the first advance. The second advance is we figured out how to make that decision in real time in milliseconds. So when you bring those two things together, we basically scan every website that you go to as you get there.

And in 20 to 60 milliseconds, which should not be detectable to the human eye, we're able to see if any of the words, images or videos on that page contain nudity or pornography. If too much, if it's bad, we'll just block the whole page. If there's only a few bad things, we'll just pull that out and serve up all the good content. That's cool. It's kind of a real time AI base. Next Gen solution to this that we think gives you the good of the Internet without the bad.

So tell me a little bit if I have a device. Obviously, Safari is not the only browser on the phone or Google, whatever Chrome, they're on your device there, Joel. But Let's say I'm in an app that has an app browser. Does the app work the same way? Is it still able to filter that stuff out? Yes, we filter within all asterisk almost all browsers. We don't do duck, duck, goof brave. Just because they have encryption that blocks their filter, we just take those offline.

But every other browser we're able to filter with it both a dedicated app browser like Safari, Chrome, or in app browsing. And that last part so critical is you alluded because, you know, for a lot of other filters, one of the big ways that kids can get around it is like, they open up Google Maps, they'll type in some adult store, they then click on the website and they're off to the races.

But from the filters perspective, they're like, into cartography and just kind of checking out, you know, something nearby maps, and but they've effectively evaded the filter, so that's obviously not helpful. So we're able to catch all Internet browsing activity on the device, kind of irrespective of where it is. That's awesome.

So from the standpoint of, like, okay, if I'm thinking of especially my two eldest boy, who they don't have phones, but they are trying to steal my all the time to watch all their YouTubers that they're interested in all of that stuff. guess I'm thinking about how they use it specifically on YouTube. So, for instance, every once in a while, they'll be watching a YouTube channel, and I can hear it in the background.

And the YouTube channels that they watch are like, they're like people with hobby farms and things like this, like pretty mundane, harmless sort of stuff. But every once in a while, there'll be like an a an ad that pops in the middle of it, whatever. And the content of that ad is way more adult then, like, the rating of the video, the video that they're watching, or whatever things like that.

So I just wonder how, if they were watching a video per se, like on YouTube, on a YouTube channel, how would your software, would it be interacting with that at all? Or would it be just would that be a separate thing altogether? So let me take this from two different directions. One. Youtube is such a big platform unto itself that our customers, the way we set up our app with respect to YouTube is we kick YouTube onto the kid mode for the safe mode. Got you.

And the reason for that is our our filter is identify nudity and pornography. But there's a lot of content out there that doesn't include that, but still is not safe for kids. And so that's where we push it. And we think that addresses most of the concern tree. Let me take a different streaming platform, like Vimeo or any other website out there. We're able to scan an hour long video in under three seconds. And what we're doing is we're checking if any of the content within it is problematic.

And so Let's say that the first 45 minutes is fine, and you get a minute 46 and there's something bad there. We'll catch that. And then we'll still make sure that we're blocking that we're not splicing within it. Companies that have tried to do that get into Copyright issues. So we're just taking videos that contain that problematic content offline.

And so we think that's kind of a way that gives you the peace of mind that they're just not going to be exposed, even if it's hidden in there, tucked away at the end or anything like that. Yup. That's good, because I think I've had plenty of conversations with my wife about, like, we think we have set for streaming services or things like that. We think we have the settings appropriate.

And her concern is always like, Yeah, but, like, what if someone manages to sneak that it's like, and this is just the nature of my wife's attitude toward it. Like, even if it's a one in a million shot, she's still concerned about it kind of thing, you know? And obviously there's no, like, guarantee foolproof sort of thing. But really, what I hear you saying is that to the greatest degree possible, you're able to quickly scan.

And I think that's a really interesting thing, because it's so oftentimes the video will start off just fine, even if I'm sitting there with my kids and be like, Okay, I get the idea what this content is. This seems good or whatever. And then you walk away, walk away. And my wife's comment is like, well, you don't know what's at minute 73 or like or whatever. And I guess I guess.

Sure. Okay. It sounds to me like that's what you're saying there and how you guys operate basically addresses that concern as well. So that's Super handy and makes me feel that I can sound smart in for my wife when she asks me the next time about the what if scenario or you could watch every YouTube video. Yeah, you could do that, all of them, just to make sure. Oh, my gosh. You did mention texting. And how does that work in the normal text app there? I couldn't think of the word.

Is your app work with a normal text app or do you detect through a certain app? Great question. So the way that our anti texting feature works right now is that we scan photos that you take on a smartphone when they hit the memory of the device. So if you open up your camera, you take a picture, we'll scan it. I should note this has not been feature. And so this is only done if parents want this, and it's never accessible by anyone on our team, ever.

So what happens is like, Let's say that you got a 16 year old that takes their camera, they snap a Photo themselves, and it's inappropriate. Our software then kicks in a warning message that says, Hey, are you sure you meant to take that Photo? At that point, they've got two choices, they can delete it, or they can send it to mom for approval, which if it really is inappropriate, hopefully they wouldn't do that. Hopefully that's a deterrent effect.

But a couple of things about why we built it that way first is just by posting it as a question. We don't want this to be a Domineering blocking, like, in your face, you did something wrong type of tool. We don't think that's ultimately constructive, and we want to encourage kids to think about how they are engaging in the digital world and just kind of create that one buffer layer, if you will. So we built it that way. For the anti texting feature. We've got two different options.

We can do pure nudity, or we can do minimal clothing. So Let's say it's lingerie or bikinis or things like that. And so we're able to that's just for sexting. For the Internet, we're just doing unity. But the stats out there around sex in are just, like, mind boggling. Before the pandemic, one out of four American kids had received a sex. One out of seven had sent one. The Google search for how to sex tripled in the first month of the pandemic.

And it's now gotten to the point that two thirds of all American high school girls have been asked to send new photos to themselves. And this often happens right when they show up as fresh on campus. Man, it is out of control. And as you guys know, digital forever. And the stories that I come across from parents whose kids, they took a picture, they sent it, it then went public, and it's just Deva stick.

Sure. So we're hopeful that this can kind of help push some of those decisions off, give kids to space and make healthier ones, and just look, hopefully put an end to this. But definitely. Yeah, I definitely think this is a really cool app. I really enjoy the fact that you're able to use the AI. I don't think I've ever seen any other apps that are like, that the do AI type thing. That's usually the URL based filtering or some sort of a black white list. Not necessarily AI.

How did you get hooked up with the company in Israel to start this company? To start Canopy to bring this to the Us? I was in Israel in 2,010 and met the founder of the parent company, which is called Net Spark and is a guy named Moshe Wise. And he was telling me about how technology was transforming his community. He's a Rabbi there. He's got 10 kids.

And how his hope was that he could have is community engage in the digital world without being exposed to all that toxic content that sometimes comes with it. And he said, we're building technology that will someday help our community. And once we're ready, we're going to bring this to America so that you can help yours. And he's like, I want you decided to do. And this is the first time I ever met Mosha before, like, our first breakfast meeting.

And that was a pretty audacious thing, but most is an audacious guy. And so impressive. And we became friends over the ensuing seven years, and I had a couple of kids. And so the problem became a little bit more urgent and top of mind for me. And, like, true to his word, they built this amazing technology that got to the point that it's instantaneous. It's working in the background. It's not messing up your phone. It's not slowing things down.

And they're out there and they're able to meaningfully safeguard people. And so when he called, I was wrapping up business school. He's like, you know what? Let's go do this. Let's bring this to American family. So I said, I'm in jumped in. We did some due diligence, raised around and been off to the races ever since. That's awesome.

Now, Sean, you've mentioned for you personally, and we get it like, as you become a parent and you have this new radar up for not just your own personal well being, but, like, the well being of these children that are growing up. And and and I always have seriously have jokingly talk about how, at any given time, we're worried that we're screwing our kids up with not even knowing it kind of thing that's a real parent.

being in the tech industry, being at Canopy, looking at kind of the big picture if you look down the future. And I know it's hard to say, like, a few years the way technology goes to be a major prognosticator about what's in the future.

But for you personally, where do you see technology needing to go in this area? What are you personally hoping for? Like, if you're thinking about your children in five years and and what their needs will be, what are you hoping for in terms of development? And this can be, Yes, company wide. But then also, just like, what you see as a father, as you see as a parent, what makes you hopeful and what keeps you up at night? Oh, such a good question.

Well, I've got four kids, so I'm already up at night. Yeah. And and I've got the five and 6 year oldest to the youngest now. And so we've just etched out of that. And I'm grateful. I hope my anguish sustains you.

What keeps me up at night is that our devices and I mean, both the phones themselves, the tablets, the computers, the apps that are on them, and then the platforms that we most frequently access have been designed to capture as much of our attention as possible, to be as compelling as possible, as entertaining. And this is for social media. This is for the games we play. This is for pornography.

Whether it's a B testing or the utilization of teams of neuroscientists at these big tech companies, they kind of figured out how to hack the brain stuff and give you exactly what you want. When you want it, it's going to keep you there. And it's that dopamine rush and they've tapped into it. It's incredibly powerful and alluring.

And I don't think that our brains or our current social structure is designed to handle that level of temptation, and it's only going to get even more compelling, right? So, like Canopy, we talk about right now. My big concern is that a kid is going to access pornography on, like, a little two inch screen, and that's bad. But in five years, when AR and VR, like, at the next level, we will laugh about how quaint it was that that was like, the compelling experience at that time.

So I think that it's only going to get more enticing. The dopamine rush is only going to get better. And this is not good for us not leading. Is that so that's what makes me concerned. I think people are starting to realize that, but, like, the incentives are still so powerfully moving us in that direction. What gives me hope? This may sound a little bit bizarre, but I think what gives me hope first is that people aren't happy. Like, they realize that this is not bringing about.

They love their devices, but it's not making them fulfilled or healthy or happy. And more people are realizing. And you're seeing this in literature, like, Ijen kind of spoke by Dr Jen Twinge makes the point. The social dilemma makes this point pretty persuasively. And then just all the anecdotes and your average teenager, they love their phone, but they also know it's kind of making them miserable and born out in the data anxieties of depressions up.

Just all the metrics were like, are the kids doing okay? Like, right now, we're kind of going down, but we recognize that. And so I think the antibodies, we'll start to keep it. So the first is we recognize the problem. Second source of hope is like, technology. We think it can't be, like, tech kind of exacerbated this problem. But we also want this to be a redemptive story where we can use technology to help solve it. And we're doing this in this space.

But in other spaces, I think there's opportunities to make sure that your devices are serving your intentions, not just harvesting your attention or, like, another way to say that is the tools. There will be ways to help make sure that you're using your tech as a tool, not as a feed. And the last thing that gives me hope is that again, this is brand new. It's like when the Industrial Revolution came about, we sent a bunch of kids into factories, arms were chopped off. It was horrible.

And we kind of figured out that that wasn't the right way to do it. Like, over time, we figured it out and it wasn't great or pretty very outset, but we figured out how to navigate that. And I think we're in the early stages of doing that now. And just the fact that parents are asking these questions, kids are asking these questions. I think it's a good sign. Yeah. I think back to its been about a year ago. This has been just before.

Well, just before Pandemic actually had a group, kind of lot of ad hoc focus group I had with some high school students, and I work with young or did up for 15 years work with young people adolescence. And we asked the question.

We were asking the question, would you allow you as a teenager when you have kids, would you allow them to have mobile devices at age once they were high schoolers and all of them said no? And I thought that was really telling, because to your point, like, they feel trapped. They're like, I need this phone to live my life, but it's killing me. And at the same time, it's this is real, like, paradox sort of thing. And I would not wish this on someone that I deeply care about.

And I wonder, I want to say because I think when you outright blame technology for problems, you just blanket blame technology for problems you lose. I think you lose every time when you're just like it's the technology. When I see the tractor plowing crops out in the field across from me, I don't go just a darn technology. It's terrible for people feeding them, but it's terrible technology. It's like it it's a tool.

Right. But I think what I hear you saying, Sean, is like we're just looking to redeem the use of the tool. Right. To say this tool should be at our beckon call how we decide to use it in a healthy manner, as opposed to, I don't know, these outside forces on these nefarious forces that are really being pretty strategic about how their they're coming at our kids and us as adults, too, obviously. So, Sean, do you kind of have a little bit of a warrior spirit? Kind of like, we're fighting back.

We're taking this back for the good. Is that is that a mindset that you guys have in a certain way? Absolutely. And I think it's been it's been so important. And I'll say that in two ways. 1 aspect of it is trying to redeem technology. And so it's like, you know what? We're not going to see this. We're not going to just let the status quo operate in perpetuity. We're gonna go find and forge a better way. So on the broader question you were just raising on technology? Like, absolutely.

We're in this. We're on a mission. Like, Let's get after it. I think the other element, though, is on the specific question of pornography, where I think that spirit really has to come to bear here just because, look, it's an icky topic, taboo. People don't want to talk about it. There's a lot of shame involved.

And whether you want to get into anecdotes or statistics, it is racking a lot of lives, whether it's at the marriage level, resulting in failure to launch from people that get addicted to it, and then just kind of get stuck in mire or with kids when they're exposed to it at such a young age, when the brain is developing, and it's just, like, it hacks it. And so I think that is consuming, really problematic. I think it is root of a lot of big problems.

And the things that we care about, if we can't keep it at by, I might push it out, especially for kids. All the things we care about are just a lot harder. So, Yeah, we want to get out there, and we want to fight it. And we recognize that there are gonna be voices out there that say your sensory or it's not that bad. And, like, we've encountered all of us. Our initial product is really for kids. Okay, fine. I'm censoring your eight year old from seeing this. I'm guilty. Like, boss.

Yeah, but we've got to change this because it's beneath the surface right now. But I can just tell you it is. It is really bad out there. I have a hammer. I see lots of nails. Like, full disclosure, but the more you look at it, the more I think people realize, especially for the rising generation, just how problematic dies. And we need to figure this out. Definitely. So we had mentioned that it's for your phones, your devices. Does it also work on computers, laptops, things like that? Yes.

So we are on all Android phones and tablets, on iphones, ipads, and we're on Windows computers and Mac computers. Awesome. So you really do cover everything that a child really could touch. You might say they provide a canopy support. Just made you made a whole kind of dad joke. It was. Yeah, that's good. It all just came together for me. Sean, let me ask you this. I'm sure it sounds to me like you have learned a ton in the last couple of years as you've been diving into all of this.

Do you feel like your innocence has been lost in all of this for you? Like, you personally, like, if I were to talk to Sean, four years ago, five years ago about this topic, about both the technology, the whole thing, and then talk to Sean today. What's the difference for you personally, is we want to talk about the technology.

We want to talk about all of it, but we believe that there's a story, like a story behind every all of this, especially when someone is leading out on something like this, because clearly you've developed a passion for this. What has the journey like been like for you personally? It has been a long road, and my perspective has changed. I came into this very outset thinking that this was a problem.

I am surprised a week in a week out, even three years in by the depth of it and the things that get me or I'll give you a personal example. And then a story I heard from someone. My son is seven. And as a result of what I'm doing, I'm already having conversations with him and my nine year old daughter about these topics, which three years ago, I would have thought, it's crazy. It's like he's seven.

Why on Earth would you do that? And yet the number of stories, like whether it's the stats of the age of exposure, the horror stories I hear from parents, and I feel like I've been pushed into a corner where I had to have that conversation earlier than ever wanted probably never wanted to have it, but I had to. Just because if he's not hearing it from is parents either learning that from Google or some stranger on the Internet. And I just hate that. Like, I really hate that that's the case.

And so that's like anecdotally for me, I didn't hear stories. And this is the one that I mean, I hate to share, but I was talking to a dad. He had a 16 year old girl. She took a sex, sent it to her boyfriend at the time. They broke up. And then he sent it around the school. And he looks at me and he says, My daughter used to be vibrant and energetic and just joyful. And since that happened, she just become a shadow of her former self. She's been in counseling for two years.

She had to transfer to a different school, and she's just not the same person. So I wish that were like an anecdote that's isolated that I could kind of tell at the side. And, I mean, it is a sob story. It's a very sad story, but it's a real story. And I've heard so many of them. So listening to that just I'm sad. I'm angry.

I feel like there's an injustice, and it's like motivation to get out there, but it's also a little bit of a burden or it's like, gosh, we got to get this thing right, because right now the trajectory is about. So for me personally, I don't know. I'm being long winded in this. It has been hard to March forward to hear how this is happening, to see what it's doing and not be there just yet. But I know that we need to keep going forward, but for we will go, Yeah, definitely.

Yeah. I think Andy and I would both agree. A big theme that we have here we talk a lot about is just the sanctity and value of persons in general and what we believe them being people that are made in the very image of God as well. And so it's just so much of that is being eroded by stories just like you shared, where young kids don't see themselves, they make a bad decision. They are forced into something, whatever the case is. And it is out there forever.

And they fundamentally do not see themselves as a unique, beautiful creation anymore. They see themselves as the shame, the guilty goes deeper and darker and good. Golly, we've got to turn a corner on this because I'm the stories that I've in again, working with adolescence for 15 years. The story. And it's like every year it gets worse and worse from one year to the next. I'm like, certainly I won't hear a story worse than this. And then you do. And it's like, well, something's got to change.

So, Sean, we're Super grateful for people like you and your team and what you're doing. If nothing else, we want you to hear loud and clear like this. We believe this is a battle worth fighting. And we believe that you're going to make significant change. And we're Super honored that we also got to share in the story, like, early on in this journey, years from now, when everybody's like Canopy, it changed the world be like, Yeah, we took a small part.

We listen to Sean and we just spread his good news out there. So thank you for what you've shared, for sure. So if any of our listeners want to take up your service and get your app, what's the best way to do that? How much does it cost? Tell me the details there. Thank you so much for having me on and for asking that. And also for inviting me to Joel inaugural return. Thanks. Thanks.

Okay. So to find out more about Canopy, you can go to our website, Canopy Us, and there we have all the information about what the tech actually does. Also, what it doesn't do, always trying to be clear with parents because it's so important that you know exactly what we do. And we're that boundary ends that you can make sure you're making the decisions accordingly. So Canopy Us, we've got three different bundles. They all offer the same services, just different sizes.

So it's three devices, 5 devices and 10 devices effectively ranges from eight dollars to 16 dollars a month. Or subscription service don't like that. So for 10 Bucks a month, you can get five devices in your household protected. I pay that right away all day. Long. It's so worth it if I also just add an offering. An email address is never a smart thing on a podcast, but we are so hungry for feedback.

We think we've got the most effective tool out there to prevent exposure to pornography, and we always want to get better. And again, in Israel, this is already on 2,000,000 devices. We're off to the races here in the States, but if you have ideas, feedback at high canopy dot com that's Hi canopy dot com. I read every one of those emails, and we're just so excited to get out there and figure out how to raise awareness, how to make this better, and how to help families flourish.

That's really what's behind it. So that's great. Thanks again for being on. Before we let you go, we have one more thing to do.

Now. It's time for the Dudes and Dads popcorn. Did you warn Sean about that? Did not work on a fantastic. We love it. We love it. Sean, we're going to subject you to a few questions that are totally at random, actually, that we ask our guests everything from your favorite kind of soup to the color of socks you're currently wearing. I mean, it could be anything, and it's really left to fate, so literally, I'm literally pulling a card out right now. Oh, this is fantastic.

So first question, Sean, on the Dudes and Dead Pop quiz. Here we go. If there was a sandwich named after you, what would be on it? It would be it would be in our family calls Cabo. Praise, mozzarella cheese, tomato and avocado. Oh, that sounds amazing. That sounds fantastic. And clearly, Sean is more fancy than I am. So that's awesome. And next question, this is not even a great question. What's your favorite gadget? Go ahead.

What's your favorite gadget? Favorite gadget? If I had the video behind me, it's this little thing that's got a Garnet you twisted up, and then it it's like a Spider that scurries around, but it basically looks like a chicken with its head cut off in its kinetic energy. And I love it. It was a gift to me because the person said it reminded me of me, which I think was kind of a back end. It sounds fun. You're looking rack, nude sort of thing.

Yeah, it's like the scoring around, just like phonetic chaos. Beautiful. There's an element of that. Sean, apart from Canopy, what are you most excited about right now? I'm most excited about building a tribe in Austin, Texas. I've moved here five years ago, in part because we had a good community. It's only gotten better. So many people are moving here, and we're in that season of life, we want to find folks to do life with.

And I feel like, especially in the past year, like it's kind of come together in this amazing, life changing, life giving way. And so I'm really amped up about that that's the best. Dude, I'm so happy for you. That's awesome. Thank you. Alright, if you could ask one person 1 question and they had to answer you truthfully. Who and what would you ask? That's a good one. I'm trying to think of conspiracy theories that I could get to the part. There are so many.

Yeah, I'll stay away from the modern ones. Try and get the show. We're going to go queuing on real quick. Yeah. Gosh. This is going to be a geeky one. And so. But it's the first one that comes to mind to avoid the awkward pause as I fumble here on the five cat. I had a math Professor in high school who was obsessed with Remaz last term. And if I remember the story correctly, you wrote in the margins. And the proof is so obvious, I won't even use the space here.

And so for years and decades, mathematicians tried to figure it out and they couldn't do it. I'd want to ask for May. What on Earth he was talking about? That's my nerdy response for the nerdy. And your mind might explode if you find out you're taking a deep risk there. Who knows, Sean? Not to go morbid. But our next question is, how would you like to die? Wow. I know. Took a real turn there. Yeah. Jeep. A long, long time from now. A good there's quietly peaceful in my bad approach.

Or there's the sliding into second page. I'll actually tell you, my grandfather of blessed memory had a heart attack. He was 95 years old and he was lifting weights at the gym. Yeah. And I feel like that kind of vitality until the end was pretty amazing.

Alright, well, we want to thank you for being on the show today. Thanks so much for hanging out with us. Yeah, it's been really good. Thanks for teaching us about the software. And Sean, we're going to get the word out here, and we just want everybody to know, give Canopy a shot. I'll pay all the dollars, all the money for it. Guys, we're so grateful for each and every one of you so grateful for Sean Clifford be on the show. And Andy, I'm alive. And I'm back.

And hopefully we're on record more shows. Absolutely. Until next time. Our friend Grace and.