hello everybody Welcome to our Round Table episode today we have Marie joining us and it is going to be the four of us and I am excited it's going to be whatever it's going to be I won't even make any predictions but I'm excited to find out together right now we know that it's happening it's underway and that is pretty much the extent of my understanding of what topics we're going to cover where we're going to go but uh yeah I'm super excited for this four person Round Table we got here
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have you here um [ __ ] where do we want to go today we were talking about a lot of stuff we've been talking about a lot of stuff but since Marie is with us today um why don't we talk about education a bit I would love that oh gosh any general direction or you just wanna okay so that's a great question um so obviously you you work in the education system um and you work with younger children for anybody who doesn't know Marie I'm filling you in on some stuff um and you've been teaching for how
long um I've been teaching since I left school so like seven to eight years now yeah different areas obviously you spend a lot of time with kids but you also spend a lot of time dealing with you know the rules and regulations of the schooling system and and and and whatnot what would you say um would be I know the single biggest problem that you that you might see in terms of how kids would normally learn versus how the schooling system would insist that they
learn oh yeah that's a that's a tough to narrow it down to one but what comes to mind is uh actually what I experienced I just finished working at a summer camp and there was just like a nine kids and there were three teachers and we just got to do experiments we were spending days at the park we took a field trip to like a splash pad and we cooked together we uh read cool stories together it was just like this natural learning and fun and joy that was happening in the
learning and I'm like my God this is just happening without the priority to be um let's educate them right now let's make sure that they're learning because it was just coming Naturally by us spending time together together and doing different activities kind of being more lenient of like where they want to go and what they want to do and it was just like I mean we had the the parents would come in every day like yo like kids are loving like what's happening
here I'm like really like honestly we're all just hanging out together and like you know spending time together and letting them it's like felt so free and I felt so easeful and like that's not what education unfortunately looks like that it it looks like fear it looks like structure it looks like rigid it looks like putting everyone inside of a box um so unfortunately the priority doesn't actually rely in learning um with the education system they don't want
surprise surprise they don't want you to actually learn they want you to learn how to participate in the system they'll they'll teach you how to you know you know be a participating in some type of activity or work for a a period of day like there's so many things that the school system tries to set you up into into being whereas learning could be curiosity it could be Joy it could be um learning how to communicate and work with each other and how to um how to reassure and um give guidance in
areas where they could be more self-regulated in their emotions and their experiences when things come up and be um yeah in an area where it actually benefits it actually benefits the the child into growing into um this changing world and what it looks like all the time it's just there there isn't a priority a priority in um people learning that isn't where the priority leads and then uh it's all about yeah keeping this system going so I think if there would be a shift it would be let's
aim to actually teach to learn and to teach to be with one another yeah I I think that's a big part of it right is is just the recognition that we're always kind of learning when when we're at ease when we're interested when we're engaged we wanted we want to take things in I think that was one of the most challenging things for me when I started homeschooling my daughter was I I got ingrained with the there's a test you know there's a test and you need to be more or you need to be afraid
of failure right you need to want to be more or you need be need to be afraid of failure and for me it was just like well how can I how can I enjoy learning as an example which means to not actually put on the show but to enjoy learning so I had to go through all of that deconstruction process to find you know my own way of enjoying of being fascinated by the world again at the end of the day right but it's just because that Fascination is beaten out of us to
a very large degree but yeah I I think that's incredible and again as a person yourself who kind of has found a way to give yourself the space to be who you are to be authentic and whatnot that that's awesome in terms of you being a part of their environment as well because that just provides more space you're not trying to Define yourself as somebody who knows what's best yeah and I feel like over time we make it so much more about the words too the words that we're hearing but at those
ages it's not so much about the words at all they see right past those words most of the time and so just like with you know as adults too but like being that experience and environment is is so cool and so vital and I feel like that that shift like you're talking about the experience you were able to have where they were able to more organically learn I feel like that one of the differences I was seeing was like this spectrum of like doing what you want versus doing
what you're told and so like if a kid was just left to his own devices doing what they wanted like they may just like have no sort of they just be all over the place like total chaos but so there's like a little bit of implementation of like doing what you're told in the sense of like a facilitation component but the current situations we have it's basically just all extreme do what you're told do what you're told like what you want is like completely irrelevant so of course you know we end
up in a spot where it's like you know you're in your 20s or 30s or whenever it hits you but it's like I've never really done I've never really thought about what I actually wanted beyond all of these you know guiding factors and expectations and considerations that don't actually have something to do with my experience and and what I feel enthusiastic and passionate about because at that age too like you can be the like kids are so enthusiastic period that you can kind of set them on to
anything and for the most part they'll get super super involved in it and so if it is specific stuff that they don't want to do it's like yeah no wonder that magic sort of leaves at a at an early age so I love you said oh no sorry get Amanda No I um I uh I was thinking about just the history of of public education and how that is a big driver to the experience that a lot of us have gone through you know in today's day and age and and it wasn't created to support
curiosity and exploration it was it was created to facilitate you know Factory workers you know people that could you know take orders and follow instructions and be confident enough to take the instructions but not confident enough to critically think and to see how they were you know put at a disadvantage right from the beginning and so it's like no it it's it's not that public education doesn't work is that it's working exactly the way that it was intended to
but we don't we don't a lot of us don't know that and then we wonder you know why it's not it's it's not working it's because it's being presented like it's this huge opportunity and it's really just a filtration of conditioning system yes and it's it's it's creating just workers and so I I am I'm glad that we are talking about education and how learning doesn't just happen at school learning happens everywhere but it's also sold like it's the only source where you can learn and that's not the
case because you're people people are people and the kids are learning from you from the way that you're showing up they're learning from the way that you live your life and so it's just being able to see that learning is happening outside of school and it used to be driven at home home a lot of the times you'd learn a lot of your life skills your trades from your family from your parents and we've taken that and so we put so much space between the the the lesson and the structure 100% I
appreciated also when working with the kids exactly what you were saying Andrew of like um giving them the choice like they're so often told what to do what to learn what to believe and that's why I always believed in just having the space for people to explore and like participate in different activities that get them you know curious and interested and you know learning something new but also giving them the time to figure that [ __ ] out on their own because as much as
you were saying it might be chaotic for kids and they need like some structure like of course but at the same time they are so they're so good they're like they totally got it like I love the moments um uh because it felt so loose this Camp um just kind of like letting them lead the way and how they were like this one kid would sit and eat lunch for like an hour and a half I loved it he was eating everything so slowly was telling stories in between like an old man I was just
like sitting with him while I'm beating you know jewelry and some kids are building in the back it was so loose and like then and it was just like so enjoyable just to be around each other and like just engaging in conversation or engaging in a lunch together is learning because we are constantly learning if we are paying attention and like and I was just reading that actually in um Krishna M's book total freedom of just the idea of um being present and like that's that's
people are seeking and trying to obtain and looking for you know desires but it's it's presence that is it like why are we reaching it's right here it's it's um and so it's in those moments I feel like I I learn the most when it doesn't feel as structured or rigid and I just and I appreciate also what you said right too because I feel like I am creating my own reality of what work looks like for me as you all know very well um but like in terms of just like going with like how I'm trying to live
and whatever is showing up in um while I'm trying to do that will show up while I'm trying to do that and as long as I'm continuing to practice and let that be the yeah what what I don't know I'm just letting that run things and I don't know it's been a it's been a cool ride that is awesome I really appreciate that because again I I don't know it's F it's funny because as a parent it's always an interesting mix of giving kids space versus also paying attention like
just paying attention because there's numerous different points in a day where children are learning about selfishness like they're they're learning how to be selfish and I guess people's usual uh go-to two or strategy for that is punishment you know judgment and Punishment whereas somebody who's not doing that with themselves is going to go over and address it in a very different way they're going to address it in a way where it's still serious it's still a conversation but it's more
about empathy like well what about the other person how would you feel this happen to you that kind of thing without the Judgment you know and even like I get it I understand you know but you got to think this through I think that that part of Education needs a little bit more on the development side I don't think there's enough of a realization of how important it is for teachers to not just know how to point at a book and say do that but to also have a level of self-awareness about their own
development about their own and you know immediately I know the system's like oh that's what psychology is for and and you know that's what therapists are for but I I don't think that's the case I think that this is something that's very much necessary collectively I mean even with parents there's a lot of parents out there that still act like they're in high school you know and what they're teaching their children is that the top of the ladder is high school that you
know the being an adult is thinking like you did in high school because that's what they see and so yeah it's a it's an interesting it's an interesting balance of of faith and presence faith and self-awareness you got to give them the space but on the other hand still be on your [ __ ] Marie I have a question for you you know let's say hypothetically we could make one change to like the US education system what do you what would you recommend if we if we could hypothetically make one Nationwide
change what would you do h it's hard to say like it's like earlier with it um the one change because it's at the foundation like you were saying earlier the foundation of what the education system is for is [ __ ] like you could shut down all the schools hypothetically that could be the one thing know I mean like the shift the shift of what you're wanting the outcome to be is what I would want to change because the outcome is like you said workers people participating in what
will continue the system to continue to exist and what I would like to see is more I want more creative thinkers I want more people that are um you know questioning things but the mass doesn't want that because then it would you know take away the belief in the system that it exists so it's like I guess yeah the ideal dream would be let's let's hit it at the foundation let's get people to actually um be be here to choose to learn and be C curious instead of uh uh
the education system producing workers and people to um perpetuate the capitalistic belief in what Society should look like so invest more in the creative and and not just in the logical part so I like that recently stem became steam you know science technology uh engineering arts and Mathematics I believe is what it stands before and it used to be stem but now they included art because art and music are critical and they've been discounted as like lesser subjects you know but it's like
invaluable you know Ray you've seen it firsthand with Celeste playing musical instruments and and Marie I'm I'm sure you've seen how much arts and creative creative expression and Explorations how crucial that is for taking in all the other more practical information 100% And makes sense like that art and music are tied with that because how much of it is Math and how much of it is connected to as yeah exactly so it's just it's cool to see that there's it's it's about
all of it can't be about one thing yeah and and opportunities to relax too like let those all those times that you spend like focused on all the technical stuff in school like it just give space for it to even settle and and take a step back and and ask some questions but again like you said it's like it's perpetuating itself because as soon as there's a little bit too much of a creative time it's like whoa whoa whoa the uh the walls are getting questioned a little bit hold up let's uh let's
maintain this back a little more but we're seeing you know you see enough consequences of something and usually from from within there's some shifts or just you know lack of participation at the end of the day so of funding like no [ __ ] the thing that gets cut the most in the US education system is Arts and Music education like those things get cut the most so it'd be really cool if we could like go fund like an Arts Supply tsunami of supplies into the nation you know like that'd be cool for
us to Rally somehow and to find a way to support art and music education cuz it's not getting the government is not getting Federal support or even state or local support at all honestly just any money yeah any more money to the education system in general be well that too yeah but you know it's funny because I think a big thing and and and I see it all the time is that so so you teach younger kids you they are you only teacher what was that last question are you their only
teacher um no oh fair enough so they have numerous teachers in a day numerous yeah yeah yeah right so that that in itself is is kind of jarring because you never really have that long of a relationship with anybody you get them for a year or they get you for a year and then they move on on to someone else and I think to a large part we don't really attach to those teachers they just become Authority almost like uh guards in a right like they're just doing their job
and their job is ultimately to keep us in place you know they may think you know they're there to teach us but soon as we get up and we're like I don't want to do this they're like sit the [ __ ] down or you're going to the office so immediately they take on this role of authority and I think that changes a lot of things and so I don't know what the solution to that is necessarily except perhaps and I say this as as a parent who's homeschooled empowering parents to a larger degree almost
involving parents in the education of their children like to actually have them be a teacher in their life and I understand that immediately you're like yeah but you know they got to work and stuff again I would think that's a systemic problem that that seems to be something that that doesn't necessarily have to be the case like as a culture in the same way that uh secondary school or post-secondary school should be free like if we really take our species seriously I I think empowering parents
even helping parents with funding in order to have the time in a day maybe a a day per week two days per week to that they're actually spending that time with their kids so their kid doesn't feel so disconnected in a world of authoritative strangers you know they still have that anchor at home and their parent is getting education right because they're learning how to help teach their kids because that was the big argument I had when when I was first parenting and
homeschooling everybody's like oh I don't I don't know if I could do that don't know if I'm smart enough then read a [ __ ] book yeah you want to get smarter learn you know it's it's infuriatingly simple because you're like why can't I just get a download like a [ __ ] robot It's like because you're not a robot you're you're here you're you're here for the whole experience and and you know it's funny that you talked about like free education College used to be
free in the States you know and that was before you know slavery was abolished and then all of a sudden now that everybody could do what they wanted with their time all of a sudden now we got to charge because they didn't have enough money enough resources so it's like when you see the way that things are structured it's like it is in structured to be very friendly and and E you know user friendly you know but it doesn't mean that it's locked it's not stuck in
stone and there is still potential and we can still Empower ourselves that's why I love talking to people about like their their phones I was like you have like a free college in your phone you know I'm like the internet man like you can you can learn about anything there is a YouTube video there is a Reddit sub there's a subreddit about a subreddit and somebody has dived on that rabbit hole was like I've come back from my Explorations who who can I tell you know what I mean I love
learning because it is like this epic adventure but people think that they're not capable and that is an old narrative that you know you're you're not you can't do it unless some authoritative person or structure gave you permission and ultimately we don't need permission to learn in the same way we don't need permission to live but we certainly have bought that because it was sold to us but you know we don't have to keep by and we can go in a New Direction and so
I love hearing Marie the way that you're showing up for your students and how they're resonating and they are super intuitive you know so you're right it's not like one thing but definitely empowering the parents and empowering people in general to not view learning as this linear thing but uh as this like ever evolving unfolding experience potential just constant potential expansion like opportunity every single day like life feels so much more like an adventure when it is like
seeing that oh there are opportunities to look at you know focus on things a little bit differently or pay a little bit closer attention like I have an experience of myself that I can can dial a bit like there is opportunity there and and based on how willing I am to do that like there's a different experience like there's other things there's more there's so much more there when it's not about like what about it what does it mean about me like how do I me which
again was like a big part like we got yeah given that a constant like the constant measurement I get I know we already went into the schooling back and forth a bit but like just constant measurement it's like no wonder we're always wondering how we're doing and waiting for someone to tell us what to do instead of being willing to just take a step ourselves and like trust yeah ourselves and relax and just like it's okay there's not necessarily a correct Next Step just be sensitive to where
you're at and it'll show itself to some degree yeah to some degree it'll be there yeah I also love the idea of the parents support too because I find that a lot of parents aren't even aware of like basic child developmental things so like they have these like expectations of where their children should be and I'm like they are four like I'm like going to Y going yeah like and yeah just like these like should they be you know reading and doing these math things
and I'm like uh no uh were you like I I'm confused cuz sometimes it feels like and I've seen this too um where it just feels like they forgot how their process of learning like what what it was like yeah yeah straight up I most people don't even remember what it was like to be a kid that's why they're so hard on their kids yeah if you remembered what it was like to be a kid you'd be super nice to your kid you know that doesn't mean give them everything they want
that's part of the reason you should be nice to your kids is because they don't understand why they shouldn't get what they want they don't understand why they can't get what they want to them everything's [ __ ] simple you know that that trajectory through the School of Hard Knocks has not yet started you know they haven't been disappointed they haven't been frustrated they haven't felt left out they haven't felt isolated they haven't worried about not being
enough they haven't felt responsibility or pressure or any of these things like being a kid sucks like there's so much about it as much as you're like oh was the greatest time of my life sure while you cherry-pick certain memories yeah like Christmas morning straight up you know talk to your parents ask them what was some of the hardest moments when you were a kid and they'll tell you about the time you skinned your knee or the time you got in an accident or the time that you know
your first crush broke your heart you know any of those things or the time when you just felt like life didn't you didn't make didn't make any sense you're like is this real and you like all of these things were moments that you went through as a person and yet we look back at it and we were just like you know yeah it was all play making friends was easy and like was it or were those not really friends as you would Define them now like we often do that a it's like oh
it was so easy when I was a kid yeah if you consider a friend somebody who's willing to run around a slide with you Foundation of your friendship was having the same lunch box exactly you know you have the same name even line same last name or close to you know in alphabetical order like that was yeah it was just less conflict so you know you were just like you wanna you want to run to the tree like yeah sure why not you know like we're friends there was an ease to it yeah then comes
a thing and then it's like oh hanging after school and all of a sudden it's like sleepover and there's a there's oh my gosh discount how much happened throughout childhood like you think now you think you remember a lot about the last five years but like you've done that a number of times like that much experience that just completely discount those first I don't know depends on the person five 10 years like it it wasn't something that meanwhile you were soaking up so much
more back then in terms of evolution and shifts changes but yeah it's like we almost don't even remember how much was there and how long it probably felt because we were paying such close attention to everything because it was all so uncertain and unknown and new oh so huge like give me an image so you're lying in your bed it's the end of the night you know there's a hallway light on that you can see the light through the frame of your door but the rest of you room is dark and you're sitting
there and the dark seems huge and the light is just all encompassing and that whole feeling of being nestled in your blanket just looking at all the darkness all that [ __ ] now you don't think about that [ __ ] at all you're like oh hallway lights on you know and that's it you know it doesn't it doesn't have the same impact and I think that's one of the reasons that we don't remember a lot of our childhood is the fact that we're just not that present anymore like not in the same way like we
think in terms of Concepts people's names places dates you know things like that and we keep thinking about you know uh what it meant in terms of of our drama with people in our lives like how it affected our relationship and all that stuff but as a kid it was all just about where we were right it was about the the scent of of the air or the people that we were hanging out with or the sound or or the texture of the carpet or or like just stuff like that like our memories were much more more
Rich because we were in fact in the present where they were happening but now it's almost like we live somewhere zoomed out from the timeline that we're a part of so we're never actually looking too carefully at any one moment it's always where is this on the trajectory to someone or from somewhere right and and so I I think it's just fascinating that we forget that you know that the reason we don't remember our childhood is because frankly we're not paying attention because if you are paying
attention like even as you're talking about childhood right there it's like all of a sudden I'm getting like different memories of of childhood and there's so much in like there's a lot yeah in there like it's all kind of in there somewhere but if you're doing the the glazing over you know every experience like not really being that dialed in because there is it's like sometimes it can feel like a point where it's like oh control letting go of that sort of like thinking about how like
just thinking I guess and it's like to access of that expansive mind that's like when you're paying attention there's more available there as opposed to the closed-mindedness that goes with maintaining or trying to maintain or control or hold on to like this false certainty in your head about other situations like there's there's a there's like a jump there almost and it's it's a component of relaxation for sure like relaxation plays a huge role in it but it's not
really that it's like a willingness to just pay attention without like an additional component of like me doing it or me doing something on top of it and it's like it's always right there despite whether you're tense or relax and assuming that there's something that should be different that's going on is the thing like you're creating a trajectory in the moment that like I got to do something on top of this and it's like no it's just still what it is and some of those can be super habitual
but that made me think of also what um in terms of changing what education could look like or just like having like I I believe in having them have more space to relax or giving them the space um to breathe like and and what I found too is also not just with the kids but with the teachers too because when I find that I'm practicing it myself because like a day gets very hectic and intense and like there are moments where things feel like everything's falling apart and
you don't necessarily what to do and when you get too caught up in everything's going to [ __ ] instead of just like you were just speaking on that acceptance that just like this is where we're at meet meet it where it's at without the Judgment without the self judgment because once I started to beat myself up of how I was handling U maybe a situation that was going a it was like it it just made it was just digging myself a hole whereas when I started to learn how to give myself the space to
relax into this situation not to judge myself but just to breathe just to accept what's happening regardless of what was happening even if my you know the Judgment thoughts were popping up like you don't look good this is no good you're a terrible teacher it's like no no no this is just a lot because human beings naturally like when we're together a lot or you know we're in the day it is a lot so I get that situations are going to go you know it would be weird if it didn't like if every day was
like hunky dory and like there was no things that popped up it would be like What's Happening Here am I life life is Dory so why would schooling be super hunky dory Marie I have a a consideration for you if um would you get rid of standardized testing or the grading system as a whole if you could only get rid of one o I know I would yeah I would I guess get rid of standardized testing as long as like I could because there's like testing I think testing could look
different it's it's more just like an assessment exactly like where are you all at what are you what are you learning what are you gaining from this experience that we're having and I think tests or assessments can look differently so if I like it should not look that should I know shouldn't shouldn't but like just to memorize and spit out information for a standardized test is even like a funny part of a documentary I saw where education in Finland I'm like very into like how
Finland educates because they get it um and a bunch of their Educators or students rather came to America to experience American education for a bit and went back and like spoke on like what they observed and immediately like what they all agreed was that standardized testing that needs to go it makes no sense like any type of multiplication also uh multiplication multiple choice multiple choice thank you I was picking up what you were putting down okay you know we assumed it wasn't down with
multiplication I was like I guess how how often do I do multiplication yeah I'm just adding from now on yeah you're right from now on sorry but um multiple choice are like you just an when whenever you're assessed here you just answer the question there's no multiple choice of and and they don't even get assessed so much l later in the like in the it's not like they start they assess like in high school and like that's when things started but learning for you know the
primary ages are all about exploration about um learning how they want to learn and not necessarily to grade or to assess themselves but just just to learn and so that's it that's it right and and like safe or space to self-reflect also on like what they're doing and actually take in like oh I am there's something happening here because I know in my experience like in terms of being like zoomed in or zoomed out I could be really good and like locked in zoomed in
to a situation and like be banging stuff out and not really have a lot of context as to like the zoomed out point of view because it was always like do what you're told and it's like hey just do this and then you do a buch of this and get really good at that and then you can just repeat that and keep doing that stuff and so giving kids the space to to zoom out themselves and like have have that little bit of Separation where it's like what did I learn from this lesson
or what did what did we even go over even doing that because half the time it's like I don't even know what I went through but I did a bunch of problems or answered a bunch of [ __ ] and didn't take that extra step to like consider why it might be important or what I might take from it or how it might have shifted me or what I might have you know learned learn from it so just incorporating something like that I think would be kind of cool as well because that's
important for adults too and I think it would do our our world a bit of good that from time to time yeah I also remember somebody sharing in our um patreon call like that's also an educator that one of their students was like they I believe uh they work with high school students which is like a great age because what is happening during that time who knows and um they're you know working with kids that are going to college and asking like well what do you want to do and they're
never ask that like what you were saying Andrew if feels like more like you find something that you're good at and you repeat you know doing that thing because it'll get you to that goal that you know is spoken of of giving you a life that is cure and blah blah blah and let let that be the focus instead of what are you curious about what do you want to learn about what do you want to get into and I think like once again shifting towards that choice that it being about the student versus
what is like wanting to be taught to the students it's like let the student figure out what they want to learn what do they want to because we naturally do that but if you don't give them the space and we're just constantly being told what to believe and what to think and what how we should be how are we going to you know figure that out on our own which we can yeah another thing I think would help a lot would be reminding us that we're not ask like you don't need to decide what you're doing
forever because I think that is a huge part of the pressure and if only we were because admittedly when you look back at a lot of the people historically we like these were cool people these were important people blah blah blah blah blah usually they're people who did a lot of different [ __ ] you know there people who went through a lot of different types of jobs or different experiences things like that it usually wasn't just the one thing and so I think it would really help I know it's helped
me as a parent in just communicating that a lot of the pressure that you're feeling isn't really there that most of what you're going to be doing for the rest of your life is whatever's next that's what you're going to be dealing with what next and maybe you know where you might think you're going but teenagers don't get that and because their brains are overs simplistic in a lot of ways they're still learning a lot of things um it really does feel like no no I need to know what I what I'm going
to be forever now and it's like that's ridiculous like that's that's not even a thing and we don't really tell them that I don't think and I think it's because we want them to be so Earnest and gung-ho about getting into the workforce rather than a little hesitant you know a little bit more of you know yeah I'm going to do this for a few years and see where it goes you know I think that would change a lot of our education system being being curious as you step
into it like understanding that this is there are some underlying things like there is a preparation process in in the system to get into this but yeah like so much weight comes off when it's when it's recognizing because with that sense of control and that sense of a guarantee it's like you can expand out that concern about your future really far and like assume there's to assume that there's some certainty in that even even for later in a day is crazy like when
that's an unknown like the thought of like what something is going to lead to and get you there despite like you not paying attention as you go along the way it's like the more more you are paying attention the more that need for any path whatsoever like just doesn't hold up quite the same anymore it's like there's so much information getting taken in right now like there's so many things that are that are influx and like so many potential ways to take this situation here that the thought of
trying to narrow that down into a specific path and then just following that like it doesn't even that's not that's not even something that seems reasonable or rational like it just seems kind of absurd and very stale super stale but it gives you that sense of like yeah but it'll apparently it's worked before but that's if again if you have something in the future that you think is going to make make you more make you better what do you mean by work I was gonna say it hasn't worked before
my [ __ ] parents and grandparents are miserable these [ __ ] are bitter and upset you know that's that's it's so funny because uh like I had friends chatting with me and they're like Manda you know this you're doing a crazy move which is not too not too surprising you know based on your your history but still it's a crazy move and I'm like okay I I'm hearing the feedback and my response is your cookie cutter societally approved option provides no more guarantee than my crazy
one we are in the same boat so as much as you think that my option is crazy it offers the same guarantee that yours does which is not you don't know that your option is going to provide you with certain results in the same way that I don't but we are hedging our bets and making our choices in the way that we are and we're going to find out which way it's going to go but but you know was we were talking about my sis my choice to you know leave a corporate job and to you
know not really try to be on that that corporate ladder and you know she's still in a position that is very much you know more in alignment with that and I'm like okay well still it's it just uh it doesn't make sense to continue to go on the corporate ladder when everybody that I see that's above me on the ladder looks like they' want to [ __ ] hop off like if we really want to be honest about the system that we're in that I was just in that I'm still technically
in it's not working guys so like can we skip that part where we pretend that it's working and we can just talk about maybe considering doing something different you know and we can do that with education we can do that with ourt with our life it's it's not set in stone but it it it means admitting that we are not that we didn't you know that they that maybe we were wrong and not maybe that we were wrong maybe that we were prioritizing something that doesn't need
to stay a priority and I think it's a lot easier to admit something like that than to say I'm wrong it could just be my priorities then are just not my priorities now and it's okay to change because the priorities are now different yeah I like thinking of the like what we been speaking on like the responsibility it comes down to like us we could speak so much about like what Society has done and what exists and this thing that but it's um it's how we're all showing up to do like so like
you are um you know by doing what you're doing with dualistic unity and creating this and and letting this be the Focus right now right like instead of it being on the on staying in the corporate or you know making that decision and staying there but allowing this to be the focus and I I find myself doing the same thing just like allowing my focus to be more on my Approach on everything and however it shows up in you know what this experience is and you know maybe I'll
you know we have to have jobs or you know we have to do some way to keep making money so that you know we could eat and continue to participate in this world but like I won't I'm not seeing it as my job more and more I'm more just seeing it as like another day or another experience or moment to moment like I'm just like this is me right now I'm in a classroom maybe full of kids or maybe we're all at the park or maybe I'm you know and now I'm on summer which means moment to moment looks way
different when like it's like totally free and but at the same time it feels just as free as when I'm working though and so like I'll have moments of course like when my alarm goes off where I'm like okay [ __ ] this this is this is ridiculous and I do think that also everything could be an hour later it's a little silly to be waking up so early but oh I agree Studies have shown that school doesn't necessarily needs to be earlier and especially with high school kids
like it shouldn't even start before like what was it 9:30 10 they don't function before that that time why are they on a bus going nobody does but also no but even talking about the structure of public education like so much of it is just shuffling between classes so much of it because if you actually if you when you when they when I look at homeschool documents it's like four hours max of like actual like going through assignments it's not actually like eight hours worth of going through
assignments but it's eight hours in school because you have to go from classtic class you got to go to lunch you got to go to the bathroom most of the time spent in school is not learning yeah just shuffling around the prison even when you are in the learning situ oh it's outside time noward Shi okay it's been 20 minutes no running no running again you can yeah good luck but I'll be uh I'll be hanging inside in the AC so afterwards you guys got a fence around you you want to but you know what it
matches the work day it matches the work day and it's like parents should be home more and so should the kids because nobody should be working this much you know I liked in the 1920s they had predictions that we would have a three-day work week and robots would do like 95% of all the jobs because I was like I was like where is this future that we have imagined for ourselves we are in 2024 they thought of this in the 1920s what is wrong people I think the problem there
is the fact that we would only be able to do that with a I guess selfless enough mentality right where we're not just going after our egotistical needs and fears like the biggest example of that would be the population like people have children like their accessories yeah and it's because they don't have to take care of them and frankly it's just what you do right like you you get out of school you get a job you make money you meet someone you get married you have a child that doesn't do
anything then you have another child it's not making your life any better you have another child yeah still but now you know one day you'll have grandkids so you're banking on that and it just becomes this way of distracting yourself to a very large degree and and again not really being there for them because you're sticking them all in school right right and and so I I think that if we want to have a population or if we want to have a world where people can take
three-day work week and robots can do everything they got to stop [ __ ] so much or at least just stop having so many kids because that's the problem is if everybody had two more days in a week and they're exercising the same same selfish habits that they're exercising now have twice the population in no time that's what do you think like we we refer to them as Baby Boomers think about that all of a sudden a bunch of people got together got real bored yeah that's that's part of his I
don't know if people would know what to do with all of that time like a lot of people rely on the structure of work even it would be like 4 day weekends like that's a lot of booze consumed and as we talking this morning like there is a probably a pretty direct correlation not only to certain things but yeah boo to baby some studies out there it's like oh yeah we saw on taboos the baby how it drop off during prohibition I don't know but it's so funny that we talked about
like like what would they do we I would so after the Denver Retreat um it they had these um arcade games and one of them was a Pac-Man a Mrs Pac-Man game I'm telling you we probably had like a 30 minute conversation about that game staring at it looking at the images talking about like our like making up stories about like Miss Pac-Man and like the way she seductively sitting and you know comparing her to Betty Buu and the style and and we didn't even turn it on mind you this is a 30-minute
conversation about an arcade game that we had not turned on you know and I loved it you know what I mean so when people are like oh I'm so bored I was like how how are you bored how is it booze and [ __ ] are the only two options you can think of when there is a plethora of everything you could learn about the history of [ __ ] straws you could learn about you know who invented the first like you know gunpowder you could you could like there is just so many fascinating things that
are around us that it's just amazing that people say that they're bored and it's like look around you there is nothing to be bored with this is life we're experiencing but there's only so many things that you can think about yourself oh of course me I was thinking about really what it is though is there's only so many things you can think about yourself before they start overlapping no matter how many ways you look at yourself there's only so many ways you can do so within the spectrum
of you suck to you're awesome right right that's pretty much it and so yeah that gets [ __ ] boring yeah it does like it gets super boring and and people mistake that world for reality yeah you know and that's why all of a sudden there's no interest in anything because it means something shitty about you it means something that you have to do it means that now all sudden you've got to do something to to take responsibility or you've got to grow or you've you're not enough or now you're less than
someone else like everything goes through that [ __ ] that filter of being about you so yeah it's it's super dull at that point you don't want to think at all you don't want to think about anything you know in the same way that kids who go through traditional schooling often don't want to read after the fact and it's because readings always sucked for them it an obligation wor yeah expectation yeah yeah like it's it's crazy how much we take away from that potential poal to learn um we have a
comment here school hours are set for the parents to work longer not for the benefit of the children yeah much totally and it's wild also like how much like some kids are in school or some kind of activities like you were saying of like these parents aren't even raising their kids like they're just putting them in different things for other people to watch and take care of them and do the work and expect it to be done for them and I just I think back of what
we were saying too about the population because I feel like if a lot of people knew what they were getting into with what parenting is and had like any semblance of knowledge before actually making the decision to do it who I mean how many people would actually end up doing it it's like it's a smaller percentage it would be less because people don't fully I mean how could you though you can't but there is that was Co though all of a sudden all those kids had to stay home and there
was a collective chorus of what the [ __ ] and it's just because they had to deal with with the people that they brought into the world they couldn't just shuffle them off but the same was true for for their relationships all of a sudden spouses that they had been connected to for years but at a distance as long as there was distraction and they didn't have to interact too often they were stuck in a [ __ ] room together so yeah no that was very exciting and and I say that they Co had
a real big impact on people because all of a sudden it made them kind of aware of their life choices and they couldn't run from it and I I think that there was an opportunity there for people to realize the power of that you know the impact of that that that you can in fact slow down pay attention and there is more to your life you but yeah just that Collective feeling of suddenly being stuck with your [ __ ] with nowhere to run I I was I was just loving that eating that [ __ ] up
oh my gosh 100% because people were faced with all of it and like you said had nowhere to run nothing to do because everything was cancelled and put off all their distractions where no longer you got to just sit with your [ __ ] and people lost their minds and but it was such a collective like learning of course it was because we all took away different things and uh you know life learnings and like you said various relationships that have been existing for years all of a sudden
they had to spend some time together a lot more time than they were used to and I was like oh my gosh what am I been doing and with all of it then career choices were made like different people were like oh my God I don't even love what I'm doing like everything was shown to them and then like wow I'm talking like them like I wasn't part of that but but it's just like it it is wild Co is wild what a time it's all I I think a lot of people had a tough time like maintaining ideas of
people so much they're interacting with a lot you know it's like starting to see more and more sides of someone it's like it's really hard to kind of keep that distant perception so much when you're seeing a lot more it's like oh I didn't even know you were I thought you were this and we were able to kind of maintain that that structure and distance enough that I thought that was the case but like no I mean it's it's never GNA be the case with anyone but yeah certainly even even the person
you're close to yeah including like you know it I definitely appreciate that Co felt like um a collective exhale once we all couldn't deny or pretend the fact that we were holding our breath holding ourselves back being super tense it felt like it it felt like a collective exhale to some degree and and I'm so glad that it was it was like forced reflection time but not really force it was a culmination like it it it makes sense that with enough time alone you start to
see your habits in a new light your perspective changes and it's something that was brought up in early on in our discussions in the Discord and patreon calls was just that one thing that tends to be in common with the people that resonate with this conversation of authenticity and expression and sensitivity are people who have have who usually spend a lot of time alone or who have spent a good amount of time alone and it and I didn't realize that but then it was like oh but that makes
sense though because with time alone you you realize how much you beat yourself up how hard you are on yourself how unnecessary that is how many Hoops you jump through how many distractions you go for why you go for them but you can't see that unless there's space and there's not there can't be space for you if you're always trying to crowd yourself with other people and other jobs and other tasks but when you spend a good enough time alone you see you see the relationship with you and and
usually that's enough um that's enough space and attention for you to build sensitivity to deepen the relationship with yourself and and and like topics you can never learn everything about a topic you can never learn everything about yourself you can never learn EV everything about someone else and so I think if we could look at topics and people and ourselves with that open-endedness like it's a bottomless bucket I'll never get to the bottom of it I don't need to I don't
need to know someone but I can always be okay with being in the process of getting to know endlessly I kep thinking Andrew was gonna say something I was kind of thinking the same thing with you it's just get it's really just getting to know your experience too and that opportunity it's like yeah seeing yourself seeing different experiences and like really just expanding that and seeing every like the ability to just see every interaction and fullness of you know the moments there it's like
what other option is there than to pay attention to it it's like what what is the alternative that we're looking for what is the point that we want to get to one that we're we can relax and be in the spot that we're in like what there's going to be something some spot that we get to that that's more easily available than it is right now now it's like it's never going to be more easily available there isn't another place you know there's not another spot there's not
another like way to to feel or interact with the world or thing to do or overcome or relationship to have that could make it you know more of an opportunity than the one you have right now to just you know relax take yourself a little bit less seriously like it's not something that's happening down the road ever but we create these trajectories thinking like oh no it couldn't possibly be me looking at myself and seeing what I'm putting in the way of myself and
this like sort of cyclical experience myself it's got to be something else and that desire for it to be you know something else be in another spot that you get that someone helps you get to or just you know being like another person it's like that's where the the pull can be from being able to just sink in to the spot that you're in because like the opportunities right here all the time like this is this is the opportunity to respond to your environment and it's not
something that you can prepare for it's like you gotta show up or you know show up it's like that's the only option or just I don't even know what else like keep distracting yourself keep looking somewhere else you're making it sound like I can't learn how to be in control serious people are in control and serious people go to school this is what I hear from society oh yeah this is what supposed to do is be serious and take myself you know to these accomplishments
and my life is supposed to be one way and in One Direction and that's what I've learned so why isn't it working why do I feel so hopeless The Next Step the next step's gonna work next step's top a better plan that's all I need over there will work not what I got right here but once I get there that'll be good I like what you said though Amanda about the alone time cu that's it's funny that um with people that resonate with this conversation tend to have had a lot of alone time or even
like for myself I enjoy being alone that's where I learned authenticity that's where I could really explore what's been fun about it is I've been treating every moment as if I'm alone so if I'm like I like when I know um Amanda talks about this too of like you know walking down the street and you're listening to music and like I'm alone you know I'm going to dance I'm going to sing out loud and I don't know what I sound like CU my headphones are in but I'm enjoy
hey and and like and just and then have conversations as if I'm talking to myself always and then like you watch how people respond because they can recognize that you're coming with this ease as if you know and what's funny is even my friend said to me she was stressing and um we were working together actually coming um back as I'm working this camp we went to the zoo one day and we're on the bus but she's dealing with like home life situations and she's also like running this camp
and like doing all the things right and you know uh she said you know I sit next to her on the bus she's like all right I'm sorry I'm just like responding I'm like oh no do your thing I hear you and I just sat there in silence and just like continued riding the bus she's like thank you so so much like just being around you like it made me feel calmer and that's cuz I was just sitting in my own you know I don't know if you guys heard that but it was loud motorcycle um I'm
sitting in my own you know relaxation my own authenticity as if I'm alone and whatever resonates it it usually does more in those moments like that we were saying earlier than just me talking I could have said things that maybe even were calming or just sit there you know and it's like that it's those moments that like help me recognize not to try to overthink how I should be acting in this moment but just to feel it out like I've been watching a lot of St Star Wars
right now okay started the Obi-Wan series watched two episodes of it already and like but like a lot of that the the force in terms of search your feelings you know what it is to be true like if you just recog if you're just paying attention and just connect to what's actually showing up and be authentic that means like even being honest I like what even uh I think that's in the book too of like being honest like maybe you've been lying a lot maybe you've been a liar be
authentic and honest and like this is what's been happening okay so what are we going to do from here like we could sit here in judgment and and and condemn ourselves but what is that doing because there is no need for it there's no need for it because you are always perfect you're evolving and learning and and and all throughout that process Perfection right but I I love the old definition of perfect which wasn't without flaw it was whole and complete was the way that we
used to use it so I love it you are you are perfect you are whole and complete and I I have a question for you Marie we just talked about like Solitude and and the value of of making the most of that opportunity you know the the experience of being alone but not lonely you know do you think that is what's missing from our education system is is highlighting some kind of like just acknowledging that because when I think about public education I think about school it's very group
mentality it's very much like I didn't really feel like the individual experience was even recognized really was just I need to memorize and regurgitate and spit on commands and be able to perform and you know pretty much you know that's it but but it was very much how to get along with other people how to work together how to be on a team how to be a good you know good class but I don't really think it's emphasized enough like Solitude having time alone and being able to
appreciate or recognize that you are always alone to some degree and and that it's not an issue it's not something to run away from yeah I love that because it makes me think of what I've been trying to what I was recognizing with um teaching mindfulness the kids what I was really teaching or what I was trying to convey to them I told them like what I'm uh offering is a space for you all to remember to trust yourself like it's we we have to remember like we got this so
like I love what you're saying in terms of I think I didn't trust myself at all during school like I I don't think I would have said oh I got this I can do these things I was always afraid that I couldn't I was always afraid that I was not good enough so like the the reminder that like you got this and that trust in yourself and because that's where like the independence and confidence comes from too because like uh you're right in terms of you know education and um
keeping them like more of a group mental getting lost and like actually learning for yourself and you know whatever it may be it just I I would say it's really just it's the trust that I'm like and the trust is that we all got this it's not just like a specialness that like you can't but like anyone can tune in because it's just the recognition that you got it it's like it's so weird that it is that simple but it's so you know you know I think that's it it's it's
deceptively simple right it's one of those we want it to be complicated because it means more about us but it's just it's funny because we want to oversimplify things but we do it in a way that actually makes it harder like instead of just going from moment to moment to moment to moment we try to simplify it as like no no no we want our kids to know everything they need to know to be safe in the world by this point so we're going to structure all that this is what they got to learn at
this point and this point and this point and this point and this point and put this point but because of that there's no Nuance there's no ability to adapt to the child or their limitations right and again like we were talking earlier about the parents and and the teachers in constant rotation like you just get to know a student and they're quirks and suddenly they're on their way to the next batch of teachers right and so that's that's really hard but I think that like the way that we think to
simplify is always a form of control rather than attention that's really it you want to keep it simple just be in the room with the kids yeah and then you'll you won't miss stuff as they start doing things and learning things and sharing things and then it's like if you're there and attentive and they're even having the experience of having an authority figure that isn't trying to direct them or guide them but it's there with them as like a spot in which they can you know
check in from time to time instead of being told you know what to do or even you know if they ask what to do getting that reflected back to them like what do you think you know what do you think we should do but it's uh it's exciting it's exciting to uh yeah hear just everything you're doing and getting updates about the you know the classroom stuff and the interactions with kids just knowing how much of an impact that any any interaction can be with you know or or
be or turn into or become at any age but like you know especially especially children sure so that said I have a question um we have talked about at some point dualistic Unity expanding doing new stuff getting involved with things let's say that you were to start your own school what would that look like what would that look like have you thought about it Ray come on man of course I have yeah yeah I think it looks like coming together with a lot of people that all
already have the ideas and the um ability to like create a school like we could just all come together with the ideas of how we know and believe that learning could look like I've been saying this to everyone I I I come across when I'm working at a teach I'm like guys come on like I see all the people we can all just come together we have these ideas we have ways of what we are you know trying to at least change it in our classrooms or in our experience with working with kids what
if we all came together if we all came together and created and really it would just be a space for kids to come I mean it I don't know how long it's like I even wrote like a whole I want to say thesis about it but like I drew pictures of what it could look like with Gardens and you know uh people they would cook help cook their food and it would look like yeah I mean it just experiment like actual learning and being and like actual conversations and actual like joy in literature and reading too
because I I felt that in terms of um I thought I always hated reading and then I was like oh I can actually read books that I like and like want to learn about and that's how I even felt about education in general it's like what this is a possibility like reading isn't a chore reading isn't and um just yeah creating a space where there's joy and learning and there's and there's authenticity would be the priority everyone come as they are where they are and we'll meet you where you are and we
we we'll continue to grow and learn together that is awesome so that said what about the environment for the school and by that specifically I know that you currently live in in New York yes would you you consider um opening a school in a large city would you want to do it somewhere more rural what what kind of environment would you want to have around the school yeah um honestly so okay there's two things that come to mind because i' I've toggled between um the idea of creating a school
and then also influencing already schools that exist So like um so I think I like my dream school to be like surrounded by Nature somewhere so I be like that's the dream school for me and it's just a it's a school that like no one pays for it's locally funded or funded by you know um people who can fund it I want to and I would you know pitch ideas and stuff and whatever and um and then it would be with infiltrating not infiltrating it sounds weird uh but working with already existing schools it
would just be kind of like with programs I already am involved in they're actually going to be um I am uh G to be getting a M's uh actually with this organization that is now such a crazy organization I'm just gonna shout them out I don't know if they're over but it's called breathe for Change and they teach like um Educators about social emotional learning and this like transformative way of educating in terms of giving students the space to one breathe also reflect um work with one
another and it's for students and it's for educators and they give us like great resources kind of create workshops and classes and it's like some of the stuff I've been using to um work with the classes that I currently teach and hopefully will be teaching the teachers in my school soon too um but like so that's like where it feels like similar um what I'd be doing with working with schools like providing various ways of running classrooms or like a a like a
kind of like a program that they could um incorporate in what their school already looks like but my own personal school would be just yeah nature um we're cooking together we're we're learning together we're yeah yeah I like it well I mean given the state that the US education system is in currently if Trump does win you can pretty there's a good chance that the Department of Education is going to be dismantled if that's the case then that might be a great opportunity for a nonprofit to be
established to take the place of that and to do the things that the Department of Education is really supposed to be doing which is encouraging programs like the breathe for Change and exploring learning like it's not so linear one siiz it's all but like it is very much of a customizable always changing kind of thing so definitely something to keep in mind that there that the opportunity might be perfectly arising given the state of uh the educational system in the states right
now yeah so true that's the fun part about all of this I mean it's it's kind of like and I I think I appreciate this more and more as I get older because I I went through the cycle of of going through school and then after the fact really being pissed off about it you know just just going through that whole what the [ __ ] did they do to me and then just why am I anxious whenever I'm worried about people not liking me like all this stuff and you just go through
it but then after that I I became a parent and and in being a parent I realized that all that [ __ ] that I had gone through and all of the opinion of it afterwards had taught me not to do that to someone El else had actually taught me how to empathize with them in a different way and I'm not saying that you know it's necessary to do that but perhaps there is a process here where we are taking more than we know out of this this life that we're living maybe we are
actually being shown the conflict again that I was saying earlier in uh social before this like we grow and we keep growing and then if we don't allow ourselves to keep growing we come into conflict with this you know and I think that our education system is showing that I think that everybody who graduates from University and graduates you know from high school and whatnot and then later on down the road goes the [ __ ] did I learn you know and they can barely remember there's an opportunity
there and it's in the same way that we're learning with religion you know like people cling to religion and spirituality and belief regardless of the fact that it continues to lead them back to that state where they're still afraid they're still looking for certainty they're still looking forward they're still looking outside themselves they're doing all of that it doesn't [ __ ] work you know and that's that's obvious it doesn't work you know but this is a lesson we're going to continue
to have to learn until finally we let them go you know and we just admit that we can change so it's just kind of cool to see this these consequences continuing to build but building in a direction where people like you are now teachers you know where that wasn't something that you ran across very often a teacher willing to question the education system you know that's why I really enjoyed the word infiltrate earlier in in the episode because that's very much you know what's happening here
except it's the infiltration of a mentality that was shunned ostracized ignored judged as having no value s suddenly coming back into the common dialogue coming back into the world of necessity because the other [ __ ] just doesn't [ __ ] work [Music] no matter um no I'll give in I'll give Inna hold nope um but the education system and that mentality of like the reaching it's the same as religion and everything that else exists of like reaching and hoping that once I obtain something this is
just like I was reading before so cool once I obtain something that's gonna um mean something about you or change your experience because all you ever have is the present so if you're always like grasping for this false certainty you're never going to like actually show up and be where you are and that's going to show you a whole lot more than looking somewhere else like it it's it's like mind blowing how often you know yes oh my gosh this is crazy I love it um
like with religion and everything that exists that gives people false certainty and false hope and like you know if you know if you do this you'll you'll get this it's I don't know where I was going with that that's unbelievable you know schol is officially the if then equation if you get this then you get that and they they fill in the blanks but we don't realize that you know it's we don't have to use that equation that it's it there's more than one way to skin a c you know there's
more than one way to live and learn and experience and to see that living and learning are often the same thing you know because you're learning through your experience and as much as you can con you know as much as you can conceive and think it's like experience life there's there is no better reason and no greater no greater priority than just here right now and here right now is the experience and so this is what we can learn from but when we try to focus
on the structure we're just looking for a shortcut yeah but the shortcut to there will never work because you're we're always here yeah it feels like it's a lack of trust in ourselves to figure it out like we need someone else to tell us and show us the way it's like no you got it and that's why I like emphasizing to like people and kids especially like trust yourself like regardless of you know the the various things that exist out there that'll tell you how you should be living life and
like what you think you should be doing it's like trust search your feelings we brought it back to Star Wars huzzah absolutely um I just wanted to throw in because this rarely happens uh that we are actually going to end this episode a little bit early today and the reason is quite frankly because we're celebrating um earlier today we went and had a meeting with our banking manager and uh we've taken some significant steps with the podcast and Marie you've always been such a very big part of the
community and the groups and everything else I love dreaming about things with you it's always so much fun I look forward to the day that perhaps dualistic Unity can be a force behind creating a school with you because I know as a parent it's really important you know it's so important that that we recognize that there are very few things in the world that have as much impact as having a child because it's not just that you've made a ripple you've made a ripple making machine
yeah and it will be around longer than you it is impacting your world and it's so very important to take that in and so it was just really exciting today to see these developments we've got some production stuff happening on this end we're not just going to be sharing one microphone from like two feet away anymore very shortly I know Ming know exactly exactly but um couple years back we never thought we would be here and we certainly never expected the podcast to
grow as it has and our relationship with so many people to grow as it has and I can't imagine where we're going to be in another year two years three years but thanks for dreaming with us and audience member listener hello uh we look forward to you joining us on a round table sharing your dream with us seeing what we can build together because that really is what this is all about it's kind of like The Lego Movie you know if we're all willing to be master Builders imagine what we can
create just building for ourself and taking it one step at a time as we go and you know maybe some shifts in the uh the foundation may do some do some good for the branches and the leaves at some point but Marie always appreciate having me on to these the roundtables the calls you're uh you're a joy to interact with so it's been uh it's been blast oh good Mo absolutely jumping in on the I love Marie train thank you so much for just showing up as you and and being
authentically whatever You' shared and whatever you continue to share it it means so much and thank you for sharing your dream with us it was on one of the first patreon calls which are all archived so if you would like you could see this conversation I am chatting about where Marie you talk about your dream to start a school yeah to do something differently and that was one of the first chats we had with you and so it's like thank you for sharing your dream with us because you never know
where it can go and where it leads to but sharing it is worth it and thank you so much for continuing to share all of you and thank you everybody for sharing this moment with us and hope you have a hell of a day hell of a day thank you all thanks for having this space to authentically show up and do this cool thing with you it is very cool especially to watch it grow uh that's said although we are taking a slightly longer break than we normally do to kind of celebrate because we
didn't get a chance we literally got home and jumped right on to the live stream and so we're looking forward to taking just a short half hour break in then we're going to be on patreon for our weekly tier 2 call on Tuesdays which is an hour and a half uh which means that you can join us from 8:00 pm Eastern Time to 9:30 pm eastern time a little bit of a late night de anyway uh we will see you soon everyone thanks for joining us have a great night I run