Dualistic Unity QAll In Show (Episode 9) | Beyond the Illusion of Expertise

and here we are for this week's call-in show oh my God am I excited about this uh last week's call-in show was [ __ ] dope we had a lot of people call in it was very exciting and I just wanted to thank everybody who could join us last week without going any further into it I'm just going to pass it over because we were just having a pretty dope conversation uh about something previous to this and so I'm just going to stop talking now and see who wants to pick it up from here

um uh yeah we were just having a really dope conversation I was like oh dope conversation that's were about making about understanding that you can have two conversations really and they're the same conversation you can have a a very general conversation about life as a whole your relationship to the moment choices that you make versus you know things you hold on to and things you let go of so and so on and so forth but you can hear that and go oh wow that's a

very general thing that applies to a lot of stuff or you can translate it into what you are specifically obsessing over in terms of a need or a fear and you don't know you're doing that unless you're self-honest enough to go yeah that's kind of a need and a fear and then watching for the Distortion because that's what it is it's watching for the Distortion Like is that really about me or is there another way to look at that right and and that goes back to the know maybe I'm Rob we were talking

that about that previously like because we're always so sure that it's all everything's about the story of me but the story of me is not reality so reality is not about the story of you you're just translating it that way and if you're making reality about you like everything you hear is going to be translated based on that like getting offended when someone some says something like they're not even necessarily referring to that person but they can get triggered and we see that

in social media comments all the time you know it's like someone responds to a video in a certain way and someone else responds assuming that they're maybe triggered and maybe they're not they were just sharing something and then you'll see someone defend just because they're jumping to a certain conclusion that has to do deep down whether they realize it or not with them and so in everything that you do you know is your life is that focus on what you do about prioritizing how you're doing and

like how you're doing personally instead of what's going on in reality and like that prioritization like shifts the filter shifts the thoughts shifts the experience you know when it's when it's more you know me prioritized it's you know the tension it's the it's the rigidity it's the hesitation and when it isn't when that's inverted it's like there aren't so many reasons to to be tense and like that can be a priority is you know the heartbeat thing example like you get a certain amount of

heartbeats throughout your life there's some I think sect of monks that believe that or kind of Follow That and prioritize it's just a relaxation sort of thing but even just feeling that like okay if that can be priority then getting worked up getting tense getting reacting to stuff like we're g to we're g to mitigate those or at least keep tabs you know keep that in check a little bit instead of just coming up with reasons that you should maintain that tension you know

prior again prioritizing your experience right now yeah it's it's the difference between trying to get through your life quote unquote which is just a story versus working on your relationship with here and now which is always a very general thing with infinitely variable skins it's always the same thing you here now with different versions of all of those things and so there are very general things that go along with you through each and every moment Like Your Capacity to make it about the

story right so these are the things it's like you know well you could let go of that and you're like what is that in what sense and you look at a part of your life maybe I you're letting go of of a friend or maybe you're letting go of a job or maybe you're you're moving to a new city and all of a sudden you're like oh yeah you're right I don't have to make that about me see it's a very general thing that applies everywhere everywhere but if you are focused on your story

you're going to think and it's going to sound like the person who's saying that is speaking specifically about that story which is impossible because they don't know your story right they don't know your story and that's how easy to it is to get confused between what we think is happening versus what is actually happening and it's not until we're willing to go maybe I don't know maybe I'm wrong that we start paying attention accordingly and that's when we start

actually getting in information that's when we start actually learning that's where we start seeing opposing viewpoints that's where we start seeing things from a different perspective that's not quite so narrow-minded because we are in fact willing to feel that insecurity will willing to feel that uncertainty and then just be informed by it yeah willing willing to relax that sense of control for a bit even like cut yourself some some slack as you're going through things as you're experiencing

things and that uniqueness like the inability to know someone's story like know the story they're telling themselves and the inability for anyone to know mine that I that I tell myself or focus on when I do you know think about something about myself it's like it's impossible and the experience that we're all having right now even that is like impossible to see another's perspective or someone else's perspective of how something is going but there is that like there is the

connection through that is like you know we can't know each others but when there isn't so much of a story in the way or an assumption that's you know related to your personal story that you just keep staring at like there is more of an ability to pay attention what's going on and like start to just build faith in yourself and like really see that as okay there's there's opportunities right here to relax a little bit more right here to relax a little bit more oh focused on this

that's a little bit more but yeah the uh yeah that's I um I like the idea or the image that's comes to mind right now is that um it feels like I would be a cup and when I'm having an assumption and I think I know exactly what's going on the cup is filled to the brim with water and when I admit or not admit but when I acknowledge that you know maybe I might be wrong a little bit of that assumption pours out of the cup and there's a little bit of space and so you know it's

hard to fill a already filled cup and I know that analogy has been used possibly um in martial arts but it it's uh but is very true it it's hard to fill an already filled Cup and the cup is usually filled to the brim with assumptions but just just giving yourself a little bit of room to say maybe those assumptions might not be right maybe I'm wrong maybe you know couple of them pour out and then there's just space for more of anything else to be poured in this this it's like all the

assumptions are parts of that cup a cloud just clouds the more that you're making the more sure you think you are it's like the cloudier that shit's going to be and and seeing that oh these are entirely unknown it's like that's when starts to clear and there's actually space to see what's going on and looking at it you know and seeing yeah it's a question mark But like at least you're paying attention to it like at least you're seeing what's actually going on instead of through a serious filter

sometimes yeah uh I want to take a moment and remind our listener if you are here live uh that you can join us for up to 10 minutes just go to dualistic unity.com uh and that will take you to a form where if you fill it out and you agree that you're going to be part of the podcast episode you can join us for up to 10 minutes shoot the [ __ ] with us uh you can tell us a little bit about what you're doing you can tell the audience a little bit about yourself or your point

or or your question or anything like that it's a great way to engage with the community and all the listeners as a whole even if they're not here live they will be listening after the fact so that said we actually do have somebody who is currently in the queue and we are going to let them in they would like to speak about speaking with authority and I believe that this is our friend Ben it is in fact Ben Ben Ben how the hell are you man what is up dude oh doing just fine um well not that was on

me we're good to go okay great can you hear me now we can awesome yeah I'm doing just good uh just fine I'm a little sweaty I just came back from a run um but uh yeah kind of something I was on the the group yesterday and I wanted to say something but then the time ended but it's all good because there's always more time uh there's always a next moment and uh what's up I said very often yes and I'm glad that you came back so we could continue the conversation hell yeah man

um yeah so my topic was speaking with authority um I I think this is something that I'm struggling with uh with that I've like accumulated a lot of like knowledge over the past year in terms of um like healthiness like holistic health like the benefits of sunlight and reducing your seed oil consumption and just kind of a like reducing the amount of toxins that you put on your body and I like I want to speak about it without caveat everything I'm gonna say beforehand um because I find myself like

before I want to talk about like say the benefits of sunlight I always feel like I'm going to I I start off with with okay I have no idea what I'm talking about I don't know if any of what I'm saying is true do your own research and come to your own conclusions but the benefits of sunlight are blah blah blah and I like made a video um on Instagram about it earlier this year and like I wanted to say exactly what was uh what the benefits were from what I've read

but I kind of like ended up fumbling what I was going to say and all I ended up saying was there's a lot of benefits and that's pretty much it I didn't get into any of them because I have this fear of like I'm I'm saying something that someone's going to take without their without practicing their own awareness but I I think that fear is like rooted in a sense of control that I am saying it in the right way and that I have the authority to speak on it like I

kind of I kind of just want to express what I'm expressing without first caveat it right you guys like you know I don't know if you're familiar with that feeling absolutely I I I I caveat everything and I I'll I'll admit it's hard to do it's hard to do because there's it's always tempting to want people to look to you as a source of information and knowledge it's always tempting to want to look to yourself like you actually know right but as you said earlier you've read a lot about

these things right that's it you haven't done the research yourself you haven't done the studies on the body you haven't done any of these things it's not that these studies stand alone in isolation there's always other things that are contributing factors I mean for years there was the whole study about you know cholesterol being extremely bad for you and then over time it realized that stress is also a huge factor in how your body processes cholesterol so there's

always more to it and I think that although it's not satisfying to have to admit that right there is a of honesty there that the world could benefit from that not not enough people are doing I mean there are Dr ozes and [ __ ] all over the place telling you exactly how this is going to save your life and fix everything they don't know they don't know but it's easy to pray upon people who want a silver bullet it's easy to pray upon people who want someone to know the answer and that person just

happens to be you and I relate to this I understand because this is why I caveat all the time this is why it's important is because then the listener is benefiting not just me yeah ahead oh I was just gonna say like I I totally get that and I saw your article that you posted in the Discord of like it kind of questions the whole um seed oil movement that the anti-ed oil movement and I wanted to say thank you for that because your your review of the restaurant thing was entertain

right but it actually made me go I really don't know what the [ __ ] this is all about so I went and read a number of articles that was just the one that I found to be the most informative and and and backed in terms of of like you know data and research and whatnot but it actually made me go and and look into what this conversation has been because I I honestly like I've heard I heard it from Andrew a couple years back about you know seed oils being being a thing

like I I have no idea and I haven't looked into it ever since and so I appreciated the fact that your review made me go and look into it you know and what I enjoyed about the fact was that you know again correlation is not necessarily causation and so although the seed oil thing isn't the silver bullet and saving your life it does lead to people eating less junk food right which is good for them so I mean there there's that argument as well so it's not to say like the whole thing is you

know without purpose or without without benefit but yeah as always it's it's always just sharing what you know but but saying like I'm open to more information like I'm you know I'm sharing what I know with passion I'm sharing what I know with enthusiasm I'm just not saying I know it all just that this is what's driving me and I think there's nothing wrong with that at all it's just that again like it's almost it would be easier to just go I know you know here what I've got to say it would be

easier yeah I think with any sort of like feeling oh am I an expert am I not do I know enough like that sensitivity right there is super important but it can also you know kind of get in the way of of like you just expressing that and you know even even understanding holy [ __ ] hold on I'm I totally I've been so I've been so sensitive recently to like when I lose my train of thought that it'll just like cut so quick but um yeah I think understanding that you only know what you know and

like oh yeah with with being like an expert at anything it's like there is an experience there I think when it's like you're making it less about you like the least about you as possible and sharing something like as a need as a bridge to some other understanding instead of just you know sharing an experience with something and like when that is more the priority like seeing that there aren't so many bullets or answers necessarily it's more of just like a personal sort

of uh experience like this this has been my experience which I think you know it it you're just showing that then there there doesn't need to be so much concern for that and that's why it's like the actions as opposed to you know the reading and learning is is super important too like actually understanding it from your own perspective yeah I I enjoy this topic Ben you know like speaking with authority uh because it was something that I thought could be done because I

thought you could reach a place where you were an expert where you could be that Source where you could be the expert with at least the upto-date information but that was based on the assumption that you could accumulate a like a majority of information on any topic and that can't be done because topics are always you can always explore topic further deeper and from A New Perspective so there's no way that you could get to a majority of learning about any one thing because that that

assumes that that thing is is finite but it things are infinite you can just keep going so I in my in at this moment I would say that you speak I I would speak with no Authority but I would speak with genuine enthusiasm and I would speak if from any perspective if I had to pinpoint it to one the students perspective and not the teachers you know I'm just another student exploring something that I'm extremely curious about and I'm loving it and I would love to share my current research

with no Authority but nothing but genuine curiosity and it promotes engagement right like if you go into it that way you're you're just like hey this is everything I know if you know something I don't [ __ ] let me know and we can have this conversation right like that's the benefit of not being the authority you can talk to people I I agree and I um first first I appreciate you like watching my video that's pretty cool um and second of all there I think what uh talking about like being an

expert uh I think there's two perspectives you can have on it the first one is where the expert implies that you've learned everything there is to know and that's kind of like an egotistical expert uh expert from the ego but then there's also expert of I am continuously learning this subject and I'll never stop learning this subject subject but I'm really enthusiastic about it and I'm going to go as far as I can to in the rabbit hole and share uh information I come across just

because it makes me excited and I get really excited when I when I talk about like like the holistic health uh space and um I actually that uh article you posted kind of inspired me to record a podcast episode on seed oils so that'll be coming out and um I kind of talk about not I think I express I expressed in the best way I could at the time of recording that like please do your own research and I'm just sharing like information that you'll say you said like correlation does not necessarily

equal causation I get into like some research where Co consumption is rising at the same time that Alzheimer's and obesity and diabetes is rising and that's an interesting correlation but that doesn't mean that those two are directly related like it's probably because you know there's more to it there's there's red 40 there's like soy leapin and um other like polyunsaturated fats in processed food so if you recognize seed oils are just one part of be like eating a processed food like and

you reduce it you're going to kind of take out all the other factors too and that could be more of the contribution to you being healthier absolutely yeah there is nothing wrong with adding a little bit of reasonability to it it's just uncomfortable because then it's just like it's not that simple and it would be so nice to be able to tell people it's simple you know there is not that uh Ben thank you for coming on to the episode man we appreciate you being here yeah as always absolutely man I I

love you know love what you guys are doing what you've always been doing and so so glad to uh be a part of this whatever it is appreciate H did you want to plug your podcast quickly sure um it's called the eban flow podcast um my name is eban Flo on YouTube Instagram and Twitter and um yeah please uh check it out I talk about a lot of things things that are just interesting me in the moment and uh I don't prepare for my episodes at all so it's just me uh being

as raw as I can with the topic that I'm interested in perfect well again man thanks and hopefully we'll either see you in the patreon group later or maybe later on this week yeah that sounds great uh thanks guys have a good night take care see you man that was a dope way to kick off the calling show oh yeah hell yeah fantastic way appreciate Ben stopping by and uh having that chat with us we do have to just continue on because we have other people in the queue [ __ ] great day um so if anybody

would like to join us again dualistic unity.com we are going to be joined by our new director of technological development uh for dualistic Unity uh jazz jazz who has been running I will be back some time oh bam Jazz will be back until then we are just gonna filibuster and just wait some you know spend some time here oh SE the seed oil stuff and just how how much like with any of those things hello hey what's up not fast enough man not much just gotta get it going quick quick

quick you know bam bam bam we're done filibustering it's time to go guys yeah I was I'm doing okay yeah I'm uh you know having a lot happen is happening I was just coming from the uh watch party we're hosting a watch party on Discord I always really I've always enjoyed having these types of watch parties for the call-in shows because it's always fun seeing people come on and hell yeah Ben thanks for kicking us off today and I'm looking forward to seeing who else is coming on as well is

another person in the queue that's awesome could be yeah that's a good point I am yeah I'm looking forward to it regardless it's going to be interesting but yeah I've been uh processing a lot lately it's been a lot coming up and uh you know it's uh sharing my travels through the cycles hello we appreciate it we appreciate the the chronicle of your journey what does chronicle mean Chronicle it's kind of like a documentation of it's very epic in old school you know I love that word yeah

to follow you along with loot um but here here goes the chronicle um yeah it's interesting to see how easy it can be to get caught up in a cycle first of all [Laughter] A and B it's interesting how it can come up also in context that you're not spending as much time in because I haven't been spending as much time in like work related stuff and so it's like oh yeah this this goes everywhere like self-concept self idea or like this thing that you create to satisfy

some thing some condition on life can uh penetrate everything it's like always at the back somewhere but it's like when you go through different experiences when you're like going out driving or putting yourself in the water when you don't know if you can Dr drown or not or if you're going into work related stuff it's bringing up a lot of different things I think in terms of where identity is derived in terms of where self-worth is derived where certainty is derived about who you are

where you're going who you're with and who you're without as well it's yeah it's i u i don't know I I posted some stuff on LinkedIn I was like very excited you [Laughter] know the new title description [ __ ] yeah yeah it's it's what it is I don't know I don't know what what the hell's happening but I did like the title that the title was fun and admittedly the title came from like a whole like thing unpacking in my head about like potential like potential unpacking so

that's where the title came from I I don't know can we share it can I see it what what the title of of your like you're we already did you're the director of technological development like we we put that in right as you entered the room oh yeah oh [ __ ] okay hello they're well Weare they're well got a direct he you hear you wait wait wait I have a whole thing for this then welcome to your coronation call thank you thank you we talked about a ring a while ago

and you know I was eating a Kinder Egg this one time and this ring popped up the ring to rule them all yes nice I was just like that's really funny I have to go to so you y'all make Kiss the Ring right technological God coming in I do appreciate the the other offer of a title for director of magic but sadly we could we we decided that title is not quite ready yet the magic wing of dualistic Unity is still in development so that's yeah that were remain classified a little bit longer right you

got to come to the the nday Retreats for that if you want to need at least under your belt reement say in the Gazebo the Gazebo was a good time the Gaz was a wild time yeah no that's fair at one point perhaps it shall open up but at the moment it's really been about just not waiting for anything cuz I it's interesting cuz like after I came back from Denver I'm noticing a huge it it feels like I'm like being skinned honestly like it the description that was coming that was more appropriate

most appropriate in terms of how it feels is like that imagery that I think it was the lizard that you were talking about Ray that was like bumping its head into the wall as it's like shedding layers that's honestly how it feels it's like I'm going through experiences that I've gone through before but with a whole new perspective on it and so it's like every moment is an opportunity to choose a different direction and one that I'm noticing that I have been noticing since I got back from Denver

is the weight to something like because I'm like you know doing all of these things like driving lessons and all of these lessons and scheduling a lot of things in my day and so there are a lot of things that I'm doing but then it's like what about the parts in between um that's where life is also happening can also happen but often doesn't seem to because I think that there has been habitual cycles of spending time thinking about myself or worrying about what I need to be doing or I don't know

this couch is is my go-to place for sitting down and wondering what the [ __ ] is happening and it's been um honestly it's played a role for sure but now it's like okay let's just do things like we don't have to wait for the next thing I don't even know what the next thing is like honestly I really don't the next thing seems to change Bas on who the [ __ ] I am and who I am also changes every moment so yeah it's a roller coaster welcome to the living like and assum oh my

God assuming we can know what's what's next oh yeah like or that we want to yeah right because the thing about it like we keep looking forward going you know I want it to be this right but we discount everything that we could learn between here and there right so how do we know we continue to want it to be that and and to just ignore that which is often what we do right we just don't change like we just hold on to that tunnel vision right right and then we get there and we're

still not [ __ ] happy you know because now we we got there and we have all now the regret of ignoring all the [ __ ] that we passed to get here right and so it's it's just so very interesting whereas the alternative is to admit you don't know you can choose a Direction with some vague idea but to resist it changing is coming from a place of need it's what causes conflict and resistance with everything right we don't know where the future goes and and that's I

guess admitting that is where we learn to adapt to everything as it happens and that's when our future becomes something that that is the result of making the most of what happens rather than trying to get to some idea because the idea is stagnant and it's it's a trap and you don't have to live up to this idea I don't have to live up to this idea oh God yeah there's so much potential in the moment there's so many different directions and so many different directions in the directions

and there was just like I know that sound it's like no there there's one that's gonna that's gonna do it like waiting for that other shoe to drop like there's got to be something else it can't be this it can't just be that based like that simple that it's that it's this and Jazz like with the the shedding skin and stuff like going through I've been feeling that like going through different things that you focus on that kind of take you from the Simplicity of it's like no just pay

attention right just like this is this is it right now like you don't know what's going to be next at all or how you're doing or any of it like it's just yeah it's just this and it's like yeah cliche but you know it is and you can you can either jump to conclusions which I like that image of like what the conclusion is the weight the assumption is the weight and so I have to jump like it's hard to walk it's hard to run with those heavy weights but I can jump I can make labor jumps or I

can feel like I'm flying with faith and no assumption but it's very hard to fly with the weight of the assumption that I'm carrying because you think there's something to get out of it and there isn't it's just life yeah in which case just not even just doing everything this is why I like expression right I love expression this why you know if I'm not singing or humming or doing something like that I'm digging into some kind of a project for myself you know not

necessarily learn something but because I want to [ __ ] around you know like that that's the whole thing so that said though I'm looking forward to uh what we have going with the future of dualistic unity and the website and possible other technological development so I'm uh I'm St and I was really glad that you chose technological versus technical because immediately I'm like are we going to build robots that grow weed that's a yeah maybe who the knows I can see it now but uh Jazz thank

you for everything and thank you for coming on to today's episode but specifically I don't know if you caught yesterday's raw but we gave you a huge shout out because I did I watched it yeah I appreciate that as well and I appreciate having this opportunity honestly because yeah it's exciting it's cool it's interesting it's scary get all of it and I am pumped for it so and I'm also pumped for the next caller so let's get get him in here oh yeah we'll talk to you soon talk to you soon the [ __ ]

out Exit Stage right all right um we have another guest we're just gonna keep moving along here as we've got a bit of a queue uh this guest is Tobias and he would like to discuss shifting perspective uh views on your own body the power of now and it's limitations so this should be an interesting conversation let's let them into the room and keep this party rolling this a lot of fun right thank you everybody who's joining us currently if you're in the watch party or on YouTube or twitch or any of

those things thanks and if you can drop a comment say hi it's appreciate it are there any on Tobias how are you sir Bas hello hello his audio is connecting give it a quick can you hear me we can hello can you see me we can see you we can see you can okay or at least the image ah there we are oh the delay is crazy your AIO okay I just got to turn off that delay um yeah so I think we've talked a few times before um we have um I just wanted to say hello again it's been a while it

has yeah it's good to see you I've just been uh kind of busy and yeah and I caught the uh live stream from Andrew on Insta and I um I was writing a few comments but I guess came it went on notice but that's fine it's hard to track it you know yeah we have yeah I don't I don't care it's it's irrelevant um so I wrote down some of the things I wanted to ask um so Andrew I know you read The Power of Now and I also have it sitting in front of me and I read it like a around two years ago I've also

and read it as well yeah nice nice and I recently saw a video based basically talking about how so the The Power of Now basically it what I got from it was uh let life flow you know and I feel like the limitation I feel like you here's here's what I wrote so um it teaches you to let go let life flow but I disagree with that uh I think it is possible to go against the flow and force whatever you want in life uh maybe life is telling you to do something but you can with enough will

force that thing to go into the direction you want and so yeah I just wanted to get your perspective on that I think first of all pushing for that thing that you want it doesn't guarantee the next thing no it's like how much is that exper how much is your experience along the way towards getting the thing that you want being sacrificed for some thing that's entirely uncertain you know that experience what a moment a situation some some place that you're getting it's like how much am I

experience right now am I sacrificing based on trying to get there and prioritizing this seeming guarantee that getting what I want is the best barometer for for something that means something about me or always the best Direction like it's only ever gotten me to wanting more things as opposed to being cool with you know where I'm at there's the the quote that I like bringing up I think maybe I heard from one of you at some point but like who has more the man who has

everything or the man who wants nothing and so I like that I see what you're saying but I'm I'm not I'm not saying that I I personally am not like trying to force anything I'm just looking at this as a perspective I I think I'm not saying I would look at it as I lack this and I need this and I need to pursue this because also it's completely unknown where that direction will take me as well so really it's completely irrelevant also if I force this thing to happen or if I let it go

and let life low right so and I think if you truly do want something you it's it is also important to know that you can go get it with even if life life is telling you to not pursue this or it's giving you signs not to you can still say no I want to go get this and I will and I think that's an important thing to remember you know yeah but it you know it's also a good consideration is that you know um you'd be perfectly fine if you never got the things that you wanted right like that's a very

important thing to to keep in mind um because I don't want or I remember feeling like pursuing my wants and desires with that amount of uh ver uh ver like verocity is it felt like running into a brick wall trying to break the wall but your experience isn't uh indicative of everybody else's experience if they went through that no you're talking about like forcing you know like you no I'm not saying I'm not saying forcing I'm saying I I I wouldn't say forcing I would say going against

what I I guess I I don't know I against I how would you define force then I I guess not go against either I guess I wish I had like a example to give but I can't think of one at the moment but it it's it doesn't that that's just uh I guess just what about having consider what about influence right instead of forcing something I think we have a great capacity to influence results but not necessarily be able to force them because to force them for me implies the connotation of control I can

control this and force and a specific result and I don't think we have the capacity to force results but I think we could and do influence results I think you can force certain results with enough dedication I think it is possible at what yeah sure I'm not I'm not saying that there is no cost of course there's a cost for everything if the end result is ultimately you know fulfilling your life then the cost is not feeling that fulfillment like forcing your way to get

there is ultimately not feeling in alignment with anything because you're still satisfying some need you're still satisfying some some trajectory rather than any sense of presence which removes the sense of fulfillment which removes the sense of attention where the experience itself is experienced as something that's either free Freedom or or uh oppression right Freedom or doubt as it so I I would think that there's always that that cost but I would say that and again like it comes down to

attention it's just like anything else like when we're trying to control something we can't but what we can do is give it as much attention as possible we can't ever control all the mitigating factors or all the uncertainties or all the unknowns all the things unknown unknowns but as they come in we can make the most out of what's happening if everything were to suddenly just go to [ __ ] that doesn't mean that you can't pick up the pieces and do something with

that no but it's that need things to not go to [ __ ] it's that need for things to end up in a certain way that ends up you limiting our ability to adapt I would think and actually takes away from from the joy of expression and creativity and and moving forward which I think is the point right that's where we're ultimately trying to get to is an enjoyment of of Our momentto Moment existence no no I I'm I'm I just thought it was an interesting perspective and I think it is more um it's

more freeing to also have the option to do that if you do wish because it is also self-limiting to say no I can't get this I should you know yeah no um and the other thing I wanted to say was I've been like well showering I found it really interesting I sometimes just view my own body as an inanimate object and just kind of let go of the attachment and the identity I have with myself and then then I focus on my awareness and then and then I then transition to my appreciation for my

experience through my body which I find is very very interesting sounds fun mental excise yeah yeah yeah it's like a balance it's kind of like the non non-duality feuture crowd can very much kind of mitigate or or discount that experience of themsel like and maybe throw the body out with it and just focus on like being energy awareness but it's it's fully discounting a part of that experience too not saying that you know you said that you were doing that it sounds like there's yeah balance

there for sure but like because it's both you know it's very much you know everything going on but also we each have influence here which is dope which is really cool and I think the force and control real quick uh it's like looking at where the priority is is it like am I trying to force this for some idea feeling good about that or am I prioritizing my experience you know along the way and being honest about that like no one can answer those things for you but it does

take degrees of self-honesty and and usually there's feelings there especially if you're assuming that you're trying to force something it's like that's can be indicative too that maybe there is ulterior motives no that's I the zoom the the Discord conversation I could didn't hear a single thing there but sorry yeah I couldn't get it to turn off we appreciate you you stopping in and spending some time with us and and hopefully we'll chat with you in the group after this or Wednesday we've got

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one free one at 6 p.m. Eastern okay okay awesome well we look forward to seeing you and again thank you so much for being here yeah thank you see by take care this has been a fantastic episode thus far look at that and and that's the thing is I understand the sentiment there I really do it's like but surely a little control is okay like we have the capacity I mean why it it he said it there it's self-limiting to think that I can't do this right right it's also

self-limiting to think that you need to do this right like that comes from a place of FL and nobody's saying that you can't but do you need it do you need it and if you need it why do you need it and and that's really the big concern like that's that's where the tradeit is but again I would say that you know it's kind of like the song by uh Lucifer the The Humbling River right I I country country crown and Throne you know i' I've climbed all these [ __ ] mountains

I've done all this [ __ ] you know and still I can't cross that [ __ ] River and that's what comes from just throwing yourself in doing the things that he was just saying like we can do these we can pursue these things yeah you can and you can even achieve those [ __ ] things if you want to push hard enough and sacrifice enough and and really just unrelentingly go after it you can achieve all of those things and when you get there you're still going to be left

with your experience with you here now now you'll no longer have the carrot to Chase though to distract you from the experience that you're having right now so you'll come up with another car and it's not that you can't do it it's that it's not going to give you what you want it won't but there's a part of us that needs to do that enough times to finally just go fine right but even then it's like brain's like well maybe a little you know maybe just got a juicy new car

absolutely and I've got a system see place that's right guaranteed for sure abolutely blowing off in the distance one day one day just tripping falling stumbling as you go yeah just like no you don't have to you know but it's just uh it did sound like he was saying you know the option's there why wouldn't I take it and it's like um you yeah it is there absolutely going to be there but you've been taking it how's that going for you exactly but that's again like it

depends on whether I'm looking at because I can tell myself it's going just fine as I continue to need to get somewhere right and again it really just comes down to a point where you realize you've been running in circles you realize you've been chasing your tail and you get [ __ ] tired you just get tired you know and that all has to happen in its own time because then what you're left with instead of a trajectory towards certainty and happiness and the promised land and all of that is where

you are now and the decision of whether or not to just jump in and be yourself or form a strategy and a plan based on assumptions and the and the assumptions that you make about yourself so it's always that choice and on that note we have another person in the queue I want to remind everybody watching if you'd like to join dualistic unity.com and you can join the queue and be on the episode for up to 10 minutes but for the time being we have Levi in the queue and if

anybody doesn't know Levi offers coaching uh not coaching but I guess one-on-one chats that's a better way to put it if you're just looking to go through [ __ ] and self-reflect in a way where it's really on you and there's just the space for you to do that with somebody who's been doing the very same thing for a good period of time now Levi is is definitely at your disposal go to dualistic unity.com Levi and it will take you to his offerings for I believe it's a 25 and a 50 minute session over

Zoom you can shoot the [ __ ] and of course it gives Levi an excellent opportunity to share all of the [ __ ] that he shares with us regularly not just on call-in shows like this but also on our group zooms and so I'm G to shut the hell up and just let Levi enter the room now uh but to everybody who's called in so far thank you so much for being here Levi it is good to see you man Levi hello welcome to the party hey Levi oh there we are hello hello hello I love it oh nice to

see you guys likewise man likewise I appreciated that you wrote you'd like to discuss jumping in it was perfect timing so let's jump in yeah exactly uh but just before that like before you started talking about like the one and ones and stuff you guys were just summing up my whole [ __ ] life like before like three years ago it was like it's just one struggle after another I knew what I needed to get and I went for it like it was the only thing like everything else

was sacrificed and and I got there you know I got to those places but there was always a new place I needed to get because it didn't work it's just crazy uh and I still like feel like there's parts of me that kind of always wants to get somewhere but it's just nice to remind myself of of kind of all those all those times where I've achieved something and there's nothing there there there is no carrot you know there's maybe for a little bit you know but it's it quickly uh becomes a new one

further further ahead so yeah I just wanted to say that before jumping into to the jumping in topic so we appreciate it man because that's it you just go through it enough where you realize like just doesn't work just doesn't work and that's that's you know compulsive gambling of just doubling down doubling down doubling down doubling down chasing your losses right because [ __ ] I spent all this time devoted to control and in the end result if I give up now it was all wasted

time yeah yeah I just actually someone sent me yesterday a video from this Norwegian artist kind of guy who basically has made a video where it's an it's called the escalator just in Norwegian uh and the escalator is is going down you know and everyone wants to get to the top and and it's just you're following this one guy who's kind of starting to question things you know and he kind of goes with these people towards the top and he's kind of trying to tell them are you sure about this you

know it seems incredibly hard and where is the top anyway you know it's like and and and it's just so funny and then he start to go down he's like oh this is really comfortable and then all the people is coming past him you know on the way up and everyone is and he starts to question it again you know and it's like [ __ ] maybe I should go back up you know and then he does and he finds some new people to join on the way to the top and anyway it's it's a really really cool uh

video yes I wonder it's almost like this this idea at the top that everyone's getting to and then it's just like nothing's there and then at the bottom is actually where everything is and everyone you know is just running trying to distract from it yeah very very symbolic very symbolic so yeah was that was a dope video yeah that was more or less what what I want to say about yeah for sure yeah yeah anyway the jumping in thing I wanted to talk about because it's so easy to kind of doubt my

own place in a situation often uh at least I have a tendency to do that and it's just for example uh yesterday I got like an invite to go like jam in the forest with like instruments and stuff like that and it's like that's a [ __ ] cool thing you know and I'm like immediate like wow I want to do this you know and then I don't know music you know I don't I've always had a story that I don't have a rhythm I don't have a voice I don't have anything you know and all these things

and I'm like I know that like the two people who were going they were like basically musicians right uh and it's like it's so easy to doubt yourself and it's like but it's like I'm not sure what I'm going to say now but it's like I I went you know to this thing because I'm like [ __ ] all those thoughts it doesn't matter like if I sit there and just listen to the music and you know just enjoy the view and I'm in the woods and everything like who cares and and like you know and it's

it's just and then I get up there and it's like of course it fits with me somehow like with something you know it's like you know I'm doing like the Rhythm egg a little bit I'm doing like the drum you know and I'm feeling the Rhythm and it's like I'm using my voice I'm doing some freestyle singing you know and it's like and it's just oh man it's like oh all those things that I've kind of passed by because of those thoughts in my life it's it's probably like million things you know that I've just

thought that you know I don't think I should be there or I'm not good enough to do that thing or you know it's it's just feir yeah it's just fair and it's not true like it's it's just not true yeah and in response to that fear usually we'll try to use false certainty right like we'll have an ideal situation if we're going to go it's going to go like this and everybody's going to look at me this way and this is what you know this is how it's going to go and then

all of a sudden there's the fear because if it can go that way then it can also not go that way so we just don't bother there's too much risk right we just don't bother or we go into it we're completely blind to everybody around us because we're trying to get that end result instead of just going and then feeling it out Moment by moment which is what we were talking about with tasas just before this right like it's not that you can't move forward or even have a Direction so you don't

know you don't know know so you can't count on an end result but that doesn't mean you can't get the most out of everything without needing to know that end result yeah it's it's fascinating like just realizing how few people are keeping tabs on us individually like the tabs I keep in myself so many so many there all the time and like that's keeps me from all those experiences from jumping in you know it's like well all these things could play out in this way like there's no one

watching me in the way that I watch me like no one's keeping track no one's keeping tabs it's like that that sensitivity to yourself almost and like choosing one way or the other based on some sort of guarantee it's like you can have sensitivity to that or sensitivity to to reality you know and it's kind of a trade it's like to to Let Yourself Go feels like this big drastic thing but really it's just letting go of keeping tabs on yourself so much or like this

illusion that you could know how you're doing or like how something's even G to go yeah I'm catching myself a lot lately like kind of going into that this how am I doing kind of thing it it just keeps coming back but it's like even that doesn't matter it's just it's just as you you guys keep saying it's just keep going you know I'm like hearing it and it's just sometimes I get a little bit caught up in it but as soon as I remember it's just oh keep going you know it's just it's wonderful it's

really that simple and it's just um yeah yeah it's funny how the thing that I I I've run away from my whole life is actually the thing that that is the answer to all my problems like all of the things I've ever had an issue with came from a sense of lack that I just don't feel when I'm not thinking about something I need to do in order to be more like when I'm not invested in that [ __ ] trajectory to morom as it were like when I'm not trying to to become something else where things will be

better things stop sucking and it's just that it's just super counterintuitive we're like What so I'm just going to like accept my life as it is like yeah and then do something with it right but as long as you're trying to make it something else you're not even in it how much impact do you think you're going to have and I don't mean on your physical circumstances I mean on your state of mind because when you say like my life do you really mean just how much money you make and where you where you

live or do you mean how much you're getting out of each and every moment of your life you go that's a whole other way to look at what you mean by your life right your life is your experience and that becomes a lot more of a priority over your perception and so it feels like at some point we were given this uh brick of gold and we're we're so we're prioritizing like oh I have to I have to you know have to protect it someone might steal it you know we're we're worrying that someone's going to

take it and we're we're obsessing about this [ __ ] brick and then one day it drops on the floor and a little bit of the gold paint chips off and it's not a pure gold brick it was just a regular brick painted gold but I assumed that it was so valuable and I'm carrying this weight prioritizing it thinking that it's so important and then it chips and I realize I've been carrying an assumption and instead of being upset of all the quote unquote wasted time carrying that brick now I have a depth

of appreciation for no a a a weightless step and everyone who is carrying bricks appreciation for the reasons why we do that sense of safety as long as I hold on to it and look at it I'll be okay set down yeah why it doesn't make any sense to judge anybody who's still going through it because you're just like I get why yeah you know like I I understand why you want that thing I get you know why you need that end result I I understand where it comes from sucks sucks all of it you know there's no

judgment that doesn't mean what I'm saying isn't true right like that that's kind of the whole point it's like I'm relating I'm just not validating you know I'm I'm relating to where you are but I've done that enough to know it's just a brick wall you you're just going to end up hitting a brick wall just as long as you're trying to control but when you just let go you flow with and as the river which does not imply that you're not doing anything because I know uh somebody had left

uh comment I think it's damaging for people to be told to just let things flow but you're assuming letting things flow in that comment anyway not you specifically Levi um that letting things flow is almost apathy it's just letting things happen in a certain sort of nonchalant non-participatory way absolutely whereas letting flow letting things flow is being part of things as they happen as opposed to being rigid and structured on a trajectory into into a future that

doesn't exist yeah and isn't going to solve your problems because your problems stem from your inability to align with reality as it happens to be in sync with the flow yeah like actions you're taking now are so often based on assumptions just about the future like all future assumptions all of so many of the the fears that pop up are assumptions very much so about oh if this plays out in this way like this I'm going to feel this way or that that way and like all these guarantees and when

that's not like the the false certainty isn't so much of a guarantee then than those actions there's like so much more freedom like so much more is is out there like the unfamiliar things are seen as I don't know more exciting than like frightening sense but also frightening too from uh from respective but it doesn't mean that that's you know that's got to stop you yeah just because it seems frightening leave by that said man see you man yeah this has been fun

appreciate you jumping on here as always we're going to continue the conversation later I don't know if you're going to be on there as I know you are on the other side it's pretty late so we'll see if I feel awake or not so but anyway thanks for uh thanks for the chat and uh thank you see you guys absolutely man take care this has been dope episode I've been having a lot of fun for sure we don't currently have anyone in the queue so I'm going to go to our community

Discord wherein somebody has asked a question in the ask a question section thank you keep the question right what are your thoughts on pure awareness and can there even be any thoughts on pure awareness I think thoughts are always going to Cloud that P awareness but not uh I mean even that it's like it's kind of both like a both and neither because assuming that there shouldn't be thoughts it's kind of the track that eart tol was gotten on like the the lack of thoughts is like success I'm like

present for seven minutes or whatever he says so I think it's it's a balance but yeah I think a lot of the time the focus on them can very much wow now I'm forgetting what the what the exact question was thoughts on pure awareness uh and can there even be any thoughts on pure awareness which is kind of a fun question well those were some thoughts on pure awar on right definitely thoughts on anything you know uh whether or not those thoughts are accurate just debatable but yeah we can explore any

topic we can um but I guess that that would be where that's where my mind went is like what kind of like there do there have to be specific thoughts in particular about pure awareness because just thoughts we're showing that there can be um and pure awareness kind of feels like just maybe another way to describe existence or to label existence is that pure awareness but that's how my mind translated those two words yeah very much and that's fair I mean comes to thoughts on pure Awareness

on on my side I would say I don't even know what you mean by pure awareness I mean what what awareness is is not pure regardless of how distracted it is and if you mean by you know an undistracted awareness I I would say that there is no way for me to answer that because to answer that would assume that Awareness on any level whatsoever is individual that my awareness is pure or impure separate from everybody else and there is no such thing so if there is just

awareness period Then even the parts of awareness that are distracted are pure awareness reflecting an aspect or a potential experience of awareness so I I don't think that it's I think it's a concept that kind of goes along with like source and God and and and all that [ __ ] I think that it's just another ideal whereas it takes you farther away from the reality rather than closer to I think that would be thought there um we had to follow up to what we were talking

about in terms of flow uh I mean that assuming that where life is taking me is where I should go and that's that's what I was saying that's exactly what I was saying in terms of you view going with the flow is kind of apathetic like you know oh it's just happening to me life has never been directing you anywhere and and I say this With all sincerity and empathy the fact is is that it sounds like you're just playing victim like your choice you haven't been making

choices up until now you are where you are as a result of the choices that you've made up until now you've been directing the flow the whole time what you've never had is control what you've never had is control and so now you're just trying to do it again but now you've got like the tried andrue way you're like no no no this one's going to solve it but you've been doing that your whole life you've been doing that ever since you started to try and fit in as a kid you've been doing

that ever since you start started to learn how to follow the rules as a kid as your choice to go to high school your choice to get a job your choice to do these are all your choices at any point you could have run away at any point you could have decided to be a different person react to different things like you are where you where you've directed The Flow you just don't have control of that you make it sound as though life is happening to you rather than life is happening as

you even even the the mention of like being in the flow or going against the flow or going with the flow like a lot of that even like getting back into the flow kind of similar to that pure awareness like creates a journey instead of seeing like oh it's not even going against the flow it's like you're still with the flow of things it's it's not that there is like so much of that illusion is that there's you doing you know going One Direction or another but you can you can recognize like whether

you are or aren't kind of based on your experience and like how you're feel feeling and how much you're how many coping mechanisms you have for how you feel not even and realizing that oh there's a lot of coping mechanisms there and as those start to get looked at and realized oh this is in response to something oh this is in response to something you get more and more sensitive to how much push you had away from being where you're at trying to make assumptions and

then assuming this journey that you can just you know keep keep on running towards like keep on running after that carrot getting somewhere somewhere else right it it feels almost like um I'm I'm a Onan crew on a ship on a sailboat and instead of you know paying attention to the the winds and the the Sea and the sky and all those contributing factors that are influencing the direction of the ship I'm in the Captain's Quarters with my captain hat looking out the window predicting how I'm going to

control where the ship's going to go and it's like I could just forget that there is any control and just go out and and and adjust the sales not try to force the ship to go in any direction because time and time again I've I've seen that that just didn't work well said uh we do have another question from the community Discord so thank you to the person who just dropped that and again if anybody else would like us to answer your questions feel free to jump in there and ask it uh do

you think you have to make assumptions throughout life to some capacity for my answer I would say I would say I assume so um and the reason I assume so is because frankly that's all I've known that that's all I've known my whole life is is my brain doing its best to kind of make a guess based on based on what it it's taken in so far and so all I've ever known are assumptions until I question those assumptions and then they've become something else I think what changes over

time is that it doesn't become an assumption is that instead of you going yep I absolutely know you just stop doing that right because you realize how often that has a consequence how often that has a conflict but I think that you are going to make assumptions until you get to that point right I think that is the process of learning now does that mean that's the only way to live it will there eventually possibly be another you know era of humanity where we don't do

that I don't know um I think that when I look at animals in nature especially I don't see any of that but how would I know right I I assume that the reason that we that we judge animals to be different is because they are so often in the world of quote unquote instinct which very much is is the world of not second guessing right it's very much the world of not making assumptions of just running or or fighting or freezing or whatever your response to now might be and so I almost think I

think that this capacity to make assumptions or or even to make a guess is very much a part of The Human Experience right but I think it's just that it's just that we tend to fall back on the assumptions for the certainty and there isn't a common dialogue about the cost of doing so and despite the fact that all of our science all of our uh advancements all of our developments come from assumptions that have been questioned historically right so it's pretty obvious that questioning our

assumptions leads to more leads to to Greater Insight it's just that it's not something that we talk about right and maybe our maybe our instincts are guesses that are based on sensitivity and our assumptions our guesses that are based on the concept of us and that trait it's like is it what I've typically done in the past or is it based on new information new experiences is based on a sensitivity yeah to what I'm doing right now and that is a total shift in that priority know that being

able to have that influence but it can't be it it doesn't necessarily you're not using you as that dictator of like a maintenance almost right because the Assumption feels like it's a guess based on on the idea of you because it it's it's you're you're assuming you know what's best you're assuming you know what's happening in whether it's good bad not meeting a standard meeting the standard whether you're forcing it or letting things flow you're assuming that you

know and that's based on you being the knower but it you know instincts uh could just be real Time guesses based on sensitivity you know and just taking things in and making the guess because the animals are making their choices with no guarantee for where that choice is going to go so it feels like that is a guess but it's just a guess that doesn't that's not based on an idea it's a guess based on the sensitivity to everything that's happening in that moment which is what we still have the

capacity to do that's exactly what we're talking about right except that we have almost a broader uh spectrum of potentials it's not just that we see how many different directions the fish that we're hunting can go we can also see how many different directions the day can go based on whether or not we catch that [ __ ] fish right how many different ways we might perceive our own our own life ourselves the villagers might perceive us all of a sudden our is just

creating whole [ __ ] potential stories and I think that was the advancement in in in the front of Cortex right it was just that ability to go further down the chain of potentials rather than the just dealing with the immediate but we lost ourselves in that well trying to control that Journey like how spread is that desire to control so much so that you know with religions going till the the end of our life this assumption that it's like you know 7 need a 90 100e

period that like I'm going to do certain things to get some guarantee like way way down the road and like being able to to do things and and prolong that almost like prolong that state of that guarantee of uncertainty the whole time like playing this game like assuming there's control and there's going to be some direction some path some want they finally follow or thing that you finally accomplish that's going to get you here you know the whole time and so it's not to say like any of

the the goals or the journey stuff is is wrong it's a component of it it's just like does it mean something about you or not and that's you know that's a that's a trade that's something that only you can can look at yeah yeah that's very there is a quick followup here um so after you question an assumption can you not make that assumption anymore of course you can like your lasses help you ceas or you're not making an assumption that it will do that again when you put them on in the

morning so I can only speak for myself here and and this goes back to what I was saying is you don't have to make an assumption like you can just live in a world of uncertainty so you're saying like aren't you making assumption your glasses are going to work again tomorrow morning I don't not personally you know and and the reason I say that is because I'm not even sure my glasses work and what do I mean by work which is another question right another assumption like

they're helping me see right but they may also be making my eyes weaker by virtue of me just not using them without the glasses so is that working right not only that tomorrow morning I I may wake up blind or a miracle Could Happen none of which I'm really willing to discount I guess is what I'm saying because I don't know enough about what is possible potentially and so for me it's not an assumption I wake up in the morning I put the glasses on cool they're still

doing their thing but I don't have to be counting on it do you know what I mean like if I wake up I'm like they're not working they've abandoned me like if that was the case I would never go to an eye doctor and get a new prescription right I would never be willing to say maybe they're not doing what I thought they were doing right I would feel as if I was a failure every time I had to get a new prescription because I wasn't living up to the glasses we're appreciating

right absolutely I mean they're not working anymore God damn it I didn't create a pedestal to place them on at the end of every day with lights to look upon them the holy everything yeah but that and that that sense of like assuming that something's going to work or not it's not so much about like assuming that you're gonna do something or not or like that something's going to happen but that sense of that sense of control like it's going to mean something like that additional thing

it's like you can do things absolutely and there's a likelihood that certain things will happen but this this extended like idea that we can guarantee far far down the road that something's going to happen or play out in a certain way and like just kind of bringing that sense of needing you know to control something way down the road back to just where you're at and how close to to hear like not needing to guarantee something because you're not getting in the way of

yourself right now creating you know a difficult experience for yourself based on how far down the [ __ ] path you're looking or how much you're trying to guarantee or how much you're trying to to keep under control or keep distracting yourself from and then trying to do all different sorts of things in response to that instead of just letting those chips fall it's like yes it's always going to be that question mark I don't know what the best next step is but yeah take in what's what's available

and what's there and do something with that have you guys are the expression um you know don't make assumptions because you make an ass out of you and me because you can like because ask you and me are all in the word assume and I love that expression I love that little saying because it's it's so true when you when you treat the Assumption like an absolute point you can settle on it's like assumptions lose the loose their uh loosen their grip when you're like I I'm

I I can assume but I'm not entirely sure that's this will work that's it and immediately the White Knuckle grip is slightly less white the knuckles feel feel feel tingling again that's you're willing there sensitivity like there all of a sudden there's a there's wiggle room there's there's a willingness to be reasonable and I I think that that's something that we very much discount is how much of this just really just comes down to being reasonable as opposed to

being [ __ ] obsessed and fanatical about things right like there's that whole thing about you know any Silver Bullet you really want to believe in that we really want to believe in silver bullets whether it's Source Consciousness God colloidal silver [ __ ] it could be anything you know it could be [ __ ] anything okay like we just want to know like this is going to fix it all this is going to make my life better this is what's going to cure my suffering we want that but to

recognize that to actually be honest with ourselves about that just like being honest with ourselves about the need for control the need to be liked the need for certainty all of this stuff to just recognize it and be honest about it without judgment is what makes you aware of all of the [ __ ] that you do as a result of those things and and that allows you to make different choices it's the willingness to see it again without judgment that allows you to make different

choices but that's the point is is are you willing to just look and that requires you to be here yeah and even even those things like things look into the future someone will set some vacation and like be excited for that like those things can give temporary hits of certain feelings and experiences but it's like how much is your focus on that and as you go then looking back and you can and it's like a willing trade that you can do even looking back on fond memories you know

it's like something that that takes that separates you a bit it de Des senses desensitizes you a bit to the experience that you're having but it it's like a a little bit of a trade it's like you subdue this experience right now for the thoughts the assumptions all that stuff it's like it does it feels like it can mitigate the intensity or just like everything that's going on right now but you still feel it it's just if you're unwilling to keep paying attention to it like you feel it

in yourself instead of trying instead of just continuing on you know without that need to think about something and use that as a buffer to just get in reality without without a buffer without so much of this thing that keeps you just slightly slightly separate slightly behind slightly insensitive just like another focus on assumption which sounds like an excellent time to introduce our next guest who is in the queue I believe this is probably going to be our last caller

for the episode so we're going to let them in as they would like to talk about different levels of perception okay always a great conversation this would be Vincent so Vincent we appreciate you jumping in here and uh being part of the conversation we'll just await your audio to connect hello hi can you hear me we can thanks for joining us yes nice to meet you so you'd like to discuss the different levels of perception where would you like to start well uh this my first time here so

I don't know should I should I introduce myself or we just straight to the subject oh you're welcome I think I'll do both in the same time so we come to the subject um basically I was uh practicing some yoga for maybe like six years or something and um at some point uh especially during Co where like everything was closed uh and uh I I was dedicating like three four hours per day every day for like maybe nine months just to kka yoga Crea yoga uh it was very intense it was very very intense

and it crushed a lot of bound iies that I had in uh my body but also in my my mind the whole perception the whole idea my uh identity as it is was uh mostly crash mostly crushed and during those experiences uh I had um some some very strange ones where there were this perception of now right for basically at the beginning it was well some kind of a wake up call where I am here here and now then this this ey disappears and only Here and Now stays but then this kind of perception of the the

this presence starts to deepen and deepen and deepen and deepen and um it just last for like hours I don't know it just last for for some time and no thought like nothing complete space and and nothing at all but something changed and I uh stopped doing all my practices it one I just stopped everything because I just felt some kind of need to stop some kind of like a blockage or something something didn't work as uh as I as I wanted to and uh um my question is about this kind

of levels of perception because like right now talking to you for example like I I am aware of the the the present moment I'm aware of what I'm saying it's like talking and listening at the same time right where is no thought nothing right but the this this this this Fe and now this present is not as deep as not as as powerful is not as uh I I'm trying to to put it into words but it's it's just complicated to explain it but it's let me put it in another way um I like to play video

games for example right and uh when you play video games your your attention goes straight you know this kind of tunnel vision inside of the game right so it's the same kind of thing but with the present moment where you you you don't lose the per C of now but you go very very deep very deep into into this Center like the core of of the experience itself it's easier when you meditate when you just sit still and you can close your eyes or or leave it as it is but I mean what is

the how should I put it what are those levels like what is it I I think it's interesting because it's kind of like the honeymoon period with anything you know you experience life in a kind of a superficial way and then all of a sudden through practice and then attention and focus on something you actually start to experience life and it starts feeling more fulfilling and more and more deep and it seems magical and wonderful until eventually it becomes about you Liv

living deeply it becomes about you going further and all of a sudden it slips farther and farther and farther away and you chase it more and more and more and it gets farther and farther and farther away and it's because there's the honeymoon period but then there's the practice afterwards and the practice afterwards is just sitting in it not needing it to be more right which means that like you said earlier you're like this This Moment's not as deep no that's

not true at all This Moment's exactly like like every moment you've ever experienced that was it's the same moment right the only difference is that you're trying to get to a memory you're trying to get to an ideal right and it's destroying your experience of right now and that's all it is and and that's the practice that's why you know the spiritual ego is so [ __ ] Insidious you know we get to this deeper experience and then all of a sudden it becomes about oh let let me take this

you know and the ego's in there like I got I'll make it better and know and it [ __ ] it all up but it is it is just just relaxing into it like you've seen it you know it's here you know it's here so it's not about getting anywhere and all about just relaxing until it's obvious again right the clarity finds you and sometimes you got to go to the [ __ ] mess again to come back and have that Clarity refresh so I would say don't judge where you are right now it's informing the The Swinging of the

pendulum right the next time the clarity finds you as it were you're going to be like oh yeah that that made total sense I had to go through that to appreciate that like this this are the thing like this this kind of U the cycle of of of of self construction and and destruction it just I I I just get so tired of it yeah and and and you know the moment when I say I this kind of identity create itself right but but it just I don't know I it I'm trying I'm trying to find without

finding but just I'm trying to perceive I'm trying to perceive something that just how would I put just just just pulls me out of of the of the of the present of the of just here and now and and every time it this this kind of Illusion of control or or some kind of like becoming better becoming more than I am and and I'm just I it's just attention you know yoga helped you tap into it last time because you were paying attention right but then even with yoga it stops working after a while

if it becomes about you doing yoga right so it's just so you can pay attention to anything right as long as it's not about you you can pay attention to cooking your dinner you can pay attention to the walk you're on but attention is the practice attention without the need to get anywhere just paying attention and that's that's where you're getting past that need for satisfaction you know where you can just watch a bird chilling out on a branch and not need it to be anything right to not need the

experience to be anything and all of a sudden you're like oh right this this is dope this is exactly what I want to experience right and but it's it's counterintuitive right and and the fact that you're getting tired of that cycle indicates that it's it's changing right that's great because eventually there's just nothing to do there's no cycle except for the one we make ourselves and and that's just going through it until we get sick of it so I'm encouraged by what you're were

saying yeah and I think I think as you go through things too you start to notice you know the things that you tried to control like that building over time of like perceptions ways that you tried to build yourself up make you into something and so much of that is you know societally driven Community Driven reason ways that other people you know build themselves up or distract themselves from things they they don't want to look at and you start to see all things and that's the beauty of of life

is like being able to to look at those and those situations or jump into New Opportunities where you know Oh I thought you know I was feeling pretty good about things jumped into a new situation and all these new unknowns like opening up a door and the room's all dark can you walk in there and and start to get to explore and that's that's one of the amazing things about about you know not measuring yourself yourself so much is that there is you know less concern about opening up new

doors and just seeing what's in there if it doesn't mean so much about me you know how I explore how quickly how well how I'm doing the whole time is always going to be that question mark oh yeah I vins and I resonate so much with what you're talking about and like the the construction and the deconstruction and I was just imagining I'm like you know no no I haven't built a I haven't built a false idol in such a long time as I'm holding a hammer like about to hit I was like where did this

Hammer come from godam you damn we did it again and then it's like yes we did it again break out the sledgehammer boom we're about to break this baby down and just being able to you know um not judge our progress and not judge the constructions or the deconstructions and just being able to take them both as opportunity to make the most of the moment that you're in whether you're building or deconstructing um a concept you know because that process is going to be ongoing but uh it can it can feel

lighter and not so uh begrudgingly done absolutely Vincent I really appreciate you calling in I know this is your first time it's it's absolutely been a pleasure to chat with you I hope we get a chance to do this again and the pleasure is mine thank you very much well thank you hopefully we'll see you in a group soon have a nice day guys thanks for tuning in man this has been a dope episode I've been enjoying the hell out of this for sure um we do have one more question

from the Discord we have enough time to address it but before we do I wanted to just add a little bit on to our conversation with Vincent a really helpful thing for me going through all this for like the first decade was I guess the concept or or or the recognition of Grace as a possibility as an alternative to control as an alter alternative of trying to get to a place where you're okay just to deal with where you are now gracefully and to me the image is always of a

dancer when I think of Grace right of somebody who is simply flowing with the movements and the music and the environment as it goes so that comes down to a level of ease that comes down to a level of self-expression and self faith and so I would say if there's anything I could pass on to our listener and to Vincent Grace you know practice Grace and and see what that means to you because I think just paying a little bit of attention to that can be very beneficial in the same

way that contemplating something like eternity can be very beneficial to how quickly you need to get somewhere you know that said Here Comes the question all right do you think that the Bel belie that everything is irrelevant can help you be free in this moment and do and be whatever you want in this moment or is it damaging to think that everything is irrelevant now I I like this question and I'm going to start this one just by saying I don't think it's irrelevant I think everything is

incredibly relevant to everything else in fact fundamental to everything else everything is important period what it's not as personal it's not that it's not relevant it's not personal it's not that it's not important it's just not about you not about me what do you mean take it back years but yeah the the building of uh no the uh what was it the what was the question again or the relevant versus irrelevant yeah um I think it it's similar to like the nothing matters everything matters Focus

as well you know it's like I mean it's basically the same thing you know you said it's like it doesn't it's not relevant to you and like to know how you're doing along the way but it's it's yeah it's matters a lot to the moment and like you're going to experience the the reflection of what you're expressing like what you're giving off where your focus is how much control you're trying to maintain it's like there's going to be a uh physical sense to to assuming that there isn't a

responsibility to everything that you do like a responsibility to the experience that you're having like a fundamental responsibility as the experience of what's Happening like you're not something that's that's like in or out of experiences like you're inherently connected to that experience and so of course it's relevant it's like how could it not be relevant there couldn't be anything I could fathom being more relevant because it's not disconnected and it's not something that's going

anywhere specific but it's vital to pay attention so you don't stumble and fall too much along the way and assuming that it's irrelevant it's just discounting so much of that responsibility and your experience too and like your ability to to pay super close attention or your your uh priority of it yeah and you know that's based on the assumption that you know what's all you know what's relevant or or that you you understand things so much so that you know that it's just it just nothing

matters but when I was thinking about how it's not personal it's like it's not personal because you don't exist not in the way that you think that you you do the the person that's taking offense doesn't exist so how can it be personal when you created this concept to take offense from other Concepts who don't that aren't the priority so it's it's you know I I want it I want it to be personal is is another consideration and the reason why I wanted to be personal is because I want to be I want

to be the priority the concept wants to be the priority the Assumption wants to be the priority but it's not and it doesn't have to be and when you real when you when you can feel that you are taking offense where there doesn't need to be it's because you created that person that is lacking that's not getting something that's missing out that is somehow being treated unfairly but just as easily as you created that person to take offense you can deconstruct that person that

that needs to be offended because it just doesn't matter unless you make it so like do you know do you know you're offended are you sure of that or is that just the thing that's the thing that's doing it like oh I'm assuming I'm offended wait a second I'm caught in it I can feel it therefore I have to be yeah right and that's what it is we really do you know experience a feeling make an assumption about the feeling and then that validates the feeling and then we respond to the feeling and that

perpetuates the feeling and then react to the perpetuated feeling and have an A perception of life now which continues to perpetuate absolutely right and it becomes this vicious circle before you know it your com your head is completely jammed up your ass and you can't see anything but [ __ ] yeah you know and that's that's very much the point but on that colorful note uh we are wrapping up the episode here in a few moments I just want to say thank you to our listener

for joining us uh I know we fell a little bit behind there with some of the episodes we have just been [ __ ] jam-packed full [ __ ] to do uh Andrew has been releasing docu series videos and clips from our adventures uh we have a bunch of raw episodes that are going to be coming out this week as well as some other stuff uh the business side of things [ __ ] exciting as hell there's lots happening UMES that said though Port Al Bernie tickets are going to be publicly available as of this coming

Sunday afternoon uh probably 5:30 pm.

eastern time so if you want to come to Port Al Bernie and you want to make sure you get your ticket I would recommend just jump on patreon now uh it's well worthwhile even if you jump on for one month you can save up to 350 bucks on your retreat ticket and Port Al Bernie is going to be admittedly like the the PS in terms of the crowning achievement of dualistic Unity so far because it's gonna be [ __ ] dope and we're gonna go see Wales um that's gonna be fun we got

a three-hour Charter specifically for the DU crew uh so I I'm very excited about that there's a bus ride from the airport to the lodge it's like an hour and a half long we stop in an old old growth forest with trees that are literally like almost a thousand years old uh it's just a hell of an experience we got a chef yoga live music we every room has its own bathrooms the rooms are shared with one other bed except for the king room which is still available which

has its own bathroom and you can bring a guest to the king room uh there's just a lot happening so if you have any questions about that give us a shout out let us know and we'd be happy to answer any of those questions or you can go to the Discord go to the Retreat plan section ask there or even in the general thread I'm sure Jazz going to be like no go to the retreat plan center section but either way ask a question and anybody who's been to one of these Retreats will be happy to tell you what

their experience was for sure because it's better you hear it from them than from us because we have different experiences at The Retreat and your experience is also going to be unique in that it is going to be your experience which is what the retreat's all about being you without anywhere else to go so if you want to come just chill out be enjoy the moment do some dope [ __ ] with us this is a definitely this is definitely one of the best opportunities to do so and it's a solid like week it's

from one Saturday to the following Sunday by the end of this you're going to feel like you were with us for months it's it's fantastic but uh we got about 30 seconds left so I'll let you guys wrap it up for today cool yeah this been a great uh great Callin show really appreciate everyone for calling in and doing all that good stuff and I'm I'm pumped for that uh p alurn Retreat and yeah it's it's fantastic time beautiful beautiful nature a lot of cool Forest some ass

Park a lot of good stuff there so um yeah Amanda close close off I love everything that's been said I um thank you everybody for calling in it's been an amazing chat and I look forward to many more see you later everyone everyone for