and here we are for another call-in show very excited about this I love the call-in show uh last week we had actually quite a few people call in it was a lot of fun this week I'm hoping that we also have a few people call in but if not that's fine too I mean there's there's no shortage of [ __ ] to talk about by any means and we just had an awesome episode of social admittedly that was that was a lot of fun uh we did start this off about I don't know 30 seconds early so what the hell I'm just
going to pass it on over to Andrew while I look on to our community Discord to see if there are any questions there uh if anybody would like to join us on the episode you can do so right off the Hop go to dualistic unity.com and you will go into the queue where we can let you into this uh this fun little conversation that we're about to happen and have no idea where it's going yes feel free to call call in oh we did get that uh and at the end of that this is so interesting seeing us
delayed on the screen seeing myself what is this like 10c DeLay So on oh there's there's the line now now it's like reverted back to a different period of time it was a glitch in the still man I know it's fun it's enjoyable I'm not gonna talk about that the whole but the uh floor is yours sir on the social it was it was fun we had a uh Pastor in there for a bit about about God and Jesus and all that and for a while I always wanted to keep that like oh it's it's a silly thing to focus
on you know it's a silly thing to believe in bedtime story all that like just like Santa Claus but I've been looking more at like the reasons that we believe in stuff like that like the reasons the the where that comes from like why someone wants to believe in God so bad or authority or a sense of someone you know and it's that sense of like someone telling you what to do you know telling you the right Next Step CU like if you don't look to anyone that there is just kind of this open-ended sort
of experience like like there isn't a given Direction so it requires more sensitivity and more attention and more you know awareness to like the situation that you're on and if you don't want to do that you'll just pass that off by looking to someone else because here it's like you're here like and you not not in just like well yeah and the reality of you but that's also all the things that you maybe don't want to look at about yourself like all the ways that you're acting a little bit more
selfishly like that's such a big reason why we'll look to someone else because we don't want to give up those things that we're doing you know the the selfish actions we don't want to be selfless you know we don't want to like really look at all of those things and all those focuses and priorities like we want to have both but it's like letting go of of that one you let go of the other and it's it's such a pull to want to maintain that but when you start looking at yourself and like all of your
focuses and tendencies and like noticing those and and shifting and changing and shifting your priorities and and maintaining that like look at yourself and that self honesty then you know there isn't so much of a need to look to someone else because there is a little bit more sensitivity you are able to be a little bit more aware of the environment that you're in of you know your surroundings and whatnot instead of just like being very insensitive and unaware and that's when you know people
don't recognize the impacts of their actions but as long as you're you know it's it's any anytime we look down the road for like a a next thing looking forward to something it's like believing in God and and heaven and this sort of like even afterlife is very much just like eyes way down the road way down on that big prize and so as long as you're checking boxes along the way you can kind of do whatever you want and that's certainly not the case but yeah so there's reasons that we look
for those things you know and a lot of it has to do with us wanting to just maintain our opinion distract right because we um it's funny because sometimes I'll I'll hear people idolizing you know being a kid and I don't have that same fantasy about childhood although I feel like I enjoyed the experience of quote unquote being a kid but I don't think back and be like oh I wish I could go back and it's because being a kid is incredibly hard because you're not in control you're not
autonomous you don't get to decide what to do with your dayto day you have moments where you get to be an imagination land where you get to be in your room where you get to be doing anything that want to do but for the most part you are having someone tell you where to go what to wear what to eat what are you going to do what are you going to read you know they're picking all of the things you're going to be exposed to or limiting the things that you're going to be exposed to they're
they're essentially creating the experience of your childhood and so that's not curated by you though and the moments that I think I say like that I that I look back where I was like oh my God that was epic and glorious and it's like moments where I'm playing on a playground with a bunch of kids and we're we're getting the the small moment to be autonomous to be responsible for our experience to create our experience and to make decisions about what we're going to prioritize when we have those
little blurs on that radar where we got to be like it's not worth it to enforce that rule you know we're making the tree home based but if somebody doesn't you know someone cheats like you know like you you had to really curate that experience and those are the moments that I think get rela and inflated and because a lot of your childhood was not was getting told what to do and where to go and that sucked you know and so we think that like oh you know not being respon when
when we were kids and we weren't quote unquote responsible it was fantastic and it's like it wasn't and the times where it actually felt like it was fantastic in my opinion are the times where we were responsible for the experience we were creating and we weren't in conflict with what we were creating uh somebody was asking in the comments section is it still hot as uh yesterday we actually ended the episode a little bit early because it was so goddamn hot um it is in fact still hot the nice
thing is is that this morning I went out and ventured and found myself a small portable air conditioner specifically for the corner of this room uh so it is no longer as hot it's much more bearable and so we are going to ride out the entire episode today appreciate you being with us because yeah that that difference you know between being a kid and being an adult basically like we we very much do we can like Cherry pin moments because there was it was like a lot of
awareness here and like very little of surroundings pretty much like that was that was the difference and you know it's like that process of becoming more and more and more of surroundings we were talking the other day about like realizing oh it's not just you know the bedroom or the house or town and then it like expands to Country and then world and it keeps keeps growing so that awareness grow it's like that awareness grows and the poll to to try and control
that like as it expands because then it starts to include you know other perspectives you realize people you know have opinions have thoughts about like right and wrong ways to live you start taking those in too you start becoming more and more aware of those and it's like there can be this sense of almost feeling like you can try to control all of that as you become more and more aware there's a pull to like put attention towards you know all those things that could be possible because
you're so much more aware of more stuff more potentials and you know as you grow up it's like you can feel like that and almost lose track of like the attention being involved in where you're at because as much as all of that existing potential like the only real thing the only real experience you're ever going to have is now is this and so it's like being able to have that awareness of it and coming back to the you know childish sort of focus on the moment that you're in while maintaining
both because it's kids there was so much hyper you know attention on like you know the [ __ ] thing you were doing the Arts and Crafts thing you were making or something like that was your entire universe was that drawing as you were drawing something you know there there wasn't even potentially any other considerations of how it was going at all and you don't uh yeah so um I am yeah no that was that was where I was at that was why I started reading that was uh we have a guest we have someone
who has called in first caller of the the day we got Jay nizzle in the hisle and and trizzle all right I totally I totally forgot that was on there that's funny I didn't I didn't I didn't type that in today how are you how youall doing doing good man good to see you good to see you too good to see you too oh hey what did you okay here we go I was trying to avoid I paused that you know if technical difficulties hey no worries no worries take us today well I'm enjoying what Andrew was just
talking about actually just kind of the the focus on the Here and Now essentially um because that's kind of where I'm finding myself in life like lately you know um I was in a period of sort of like General Panic there for a while like I I I hate to sound like dramatic with it but that's kind of like the state that I was in with like feeling anxiety and feeling like these stories and like life wasn't like working out the way I wanted it too and there was this problem and that problem
and all these issues and all these things and they sort of like let I let them stack up on top of each other and it became this big devastating story and I was really feeling that you know I just not feeling great for quite a while and um but that is a blessing because because I felt all that stuff I was able to realize that kind of absurdity of it and lately I've just been like hey I'm just here right now that's that's really all it is and whether that's sitting in
a chair or talking to y'all it's that's the only thing that's actually happening so I've been like just kind of deepening a little bit more into just right here and now it's been like quite peaceful which is nice but that's not requirement you know what I mean but it's nice so things been good that is awesome yeah uh I often call it kind of feeling the silence underneath all the noise right like underneath all of it there's that inner part of you that's somehow just
watching it it's not really part of it it's like there's a there's a Stillness underneath everything when you just allow yourself to sink into where you are but it's never found in thought it's always found in that place where you just settle and you're just here I am and suddenly it's like everything just slows the [ __ ] down it's not that everything's slowed down though it's just that you've stopped running around you know long enough to actually sit and
just be yourself and I think there's so much to be learned just in that simple thing of just sitting and being yourself which is nice I know um du doesn't you know like you've talked about meditation that's kind of like what we can do just walking around like meditation isn't necessary however I I do enjoy it and I have been uh learning how to sit in zazen with which is just a specific way of sitting that's it there's nothing more to it so but it's been it's been quite interesting just
sitting there because I when you when I'm sitting I'm I notice feelings uncomfortableness thoughts all these different things sort of happening but I don't need to necessarily pay attention to all that stuff so it's it's been fun just to kind of keep that muscle going you know a little bit keep keep practicing a little bit which is nice oh I I feel you man like I definitely resonate with that sense of like that sense of trying to control a bunch of stuff too that's that's what it
can feel like to me to like have stories piling up or sort of things that you know you start thinking about something then just and has has a way of sort of expanding and expanding and expanding and and then you can feel like physical sort of fence response to it to to focusing on that the stories and whatnot just like a lot of it for me recently like kind of feeling a back and forth but feeling more of a settling is just like deciding myself like am I good now it's
like yeah I'm good now and like in whatever is coming up whatever response is like well not until or what about this or that or this feeling or that and it's like no I can feel all that stuff and I can even the the swarm of thoughts can be like kind of kind of racing and I can be aware that like oh that's something that's happening and it's like going on but I'm still here regardless and like I'm still capable if I'm not holding myself to a bar that like I in order to be capable to handle a
situation or be in a certain spot like I have to do this or do that it's like no that's not a requirement like I can choose to like pay attention and and be like no I'm I'm enough and whatever shows up like I don't have to hold a bar for myself and a lot of times when I go through periods where it feels like you know swells or shifts or or whatever it's it's getting a good look at just like a perspective and like consequence of focusing on that like there's there's
a whole experience that then you know I can look at as to way to resonate and whatnot do even but it's uh yeah at some point it's just like oh it's it really is just on me and my response and letting go of my own assumptions and focusing on you know things that I'm not sure of like I I don't know everything I don't know everything I don't even know much outside of that I'm sitting here in a chair just like you chatting with J nle and R Amanda on a Callin show right but y'all it's it's funny
that we think like we assume that if we knew everything life would be perfect or what life would be without suffering and it's like that's a that's a bold claim that's a bold ass claim you know and and you had mentioned capability and and my mind thinks you know um the people that I I would and have heard called master and experts and and sants are the people that tend to typically show the greatest attention to detail in a particular direction so greater attention greater
ability greater capability and that feels a lot more possible than someone just being born with just a special ability or a special uh special potential you know or you know that one of us could know everything and and and that and that would be separate from everyone else and so I think it's so funny that with greater attention just comes greater ability by default and the people that we call experts are the people that have the greatest attention to detail in a very specific context but
we classify them as special and different and you know um and it being like un not not as possible for every kind of goes hand in hand up sorry about that have to call you back dad you what' you say now floor is yours floor is yours yeah speaking of that like it goes hand inand with the religious conversation that kind of was going on in the chat during the um the live stream episode that you guys had you know like looking to something else for for guidance or
looking to somebody else some as some expert whether that's uh you know your your God your religion your your pastor your your boss your politician whatever the case might be like there's people that are like practic in certain things but they don't necessarily have it all figured out like they've had a little bit more experience but it doesn't mean that they have the answers you know and one thing I'm coming to terms with with that as well is like everything that's
that that been kind of attracted to the the goings on of the world uh a little B you know when when things are like down and out in my in my head a little bit like those things start to sort of become attractive like the you know political this that or the Supreme Court said this or that or all that stuff you know what I mean it's like oh it kind of hurts my heart you know because some of that stuff is [ __ ] up to be honest you know and it's like you know but at the
same time like I can't I can't um I can't dive into that really like not now I'm sitting here in a chair talking to you guys you know what I mean like I I could talk about it but like it's nothing that I need to concern myself really like my want for things to be different isn't going to change like anything you know it the only thing I can do is just like be me and just like just [ __ ] be me really that's all it is yeah I hear that I used to be the same you know yeah because we never
[ __ ] swear on this um I I used to do the same but i' go and I'd check in kind of like what the world was doing and and you know catch the news or or go down a rabbit hole or two every once in a while and I found after a while that I was really just looking for some indication of how the world was doing I was looking for some some sense of of comfort or or even some sense of dread I guess I just wanted to know how the world was doing and what I've realized over the years is
that there's a trade there in exactly the way that you're talking about that you are the world you know in looking for some indication of how it's doing you're putting less attention into it's doing yeah which is something that's only happening through you yeah we we just that fact that like it's happening through us like no it's it's out there like the world sitting know it's like oh man yeah yeah it's like not at all out there whatsoever it's like we keep looking for change
trying to find the right way to change trying to control it trying to create a structure look to this look to that it's like oh big discounting of your experience and even something like you said something that works for someone like that works for them that's all we got it's like this worked for me there's no guarantee that it'll work for anyone else for long it's working for now corre that's like gu bestest I can get people if we're gonna be honest Jay man I'm so glad you called in
today thank you man for just touching course Jay is actually a a you know valued and and I would say consistent member of the community we've met him at a number of events and we in fact work with him to sub capacity Jay offers one-on-one uh sessions if you'd ever like to have a private chat with Jay just go to dualistic unity.com J and it'll take you to his offerings and I highly recommend having a chat again it's not therapy but really therapy is just the establishing the
establishment of a therapeutic relationship it's not really about the therapist it's more about what you do with it and what the other person's willing to just sit through with you and allow you to vent while you get out and and kind of be your accountability buddy to some degree like hey hey hey I know that one that's when I'm full of [ __ ] too so re reach out to Jay if you can Jay hopefully we'll see you on patreon later on after the stre thank you I'd love to hear from anybody have a good
night y'all take care good one J bye that you too oh man that was awesome always an enjoyable phone call with everybody Jay uh we do have another person in the queue I just want to remind everyone that this is a call-in show uh it's also a Q&A show so it's the Quin show uh if you don't want to be on the screen you can ask your question in the comment section on our Discord in the ask question section or if you're on patreon there is currently a chat message in the
supporters chat asking if you would like to if you would like us to answer a question or learn how to speak in some cases um we do have somebody in the queue so I'm just going to move on and allow them in we don't have a name for them here but from their form I think I know who it might be so I'm looking forward to this okay welcome to the call fact that there's no right way to speak also hi there can you hear me we can hello hello Hello nice to meet you here let me
get rid of your video so you can't hear yourself I just recently found you guys um I don't know if you guys have a specific goal for this episode or should I just ask questions oh you can go wherever you like with it absolutely any direction well one I found you guys very recently I do notice you guys have not gotten like crazy big traction yet my question is I I also really like the stuff you talk about I agree with most of it um where are you going to go with
it when when you guys blow up when it's like big it's a great question something we're gonna find out gonna when we get there yeah that's very much like okay there we got ideas though we do we had we have a business plan and and everything uh but it's very much it's in the same way that we live our lives right like you can have some general idea of a dire in the future but it could also be informed by by other information and for us a big part of this is the community is the people who
get involved people like yourself who call in and even people who are working with us now who were part of the community they all have ideas of their own they all have creativity and insights and and they have access to things within their own Consciousness that we don't because we have different worlds different lives and so we don't know where this is going to go but we know that there are steps and opportun ities that emerge all the time and sometimes we have the skills and and the
resources to take advantage of them and sometimes we don't and that's just going to continue to expand over time as more people become involved so it's it's very much we're it's like we're growing a tree and building a tree house in the tree while it grows I like that terminology that's very good terminology I one day hope to do some stuff like what you guys are doing on the internet talking to people you know streaming stuff like that um I really like the idea of you're living today
you're living in the moment I like peaked at one of your episodes before I signed up for this obviously but I did like what um your name's Amanda right yes it is uh what Amanda was saying in one of the recent episodes where she was just going on about the you're in you're in today you're dealing with today you can hope for tomorrow you can be happy about tomorrow but you have to worry about what's going on today I want to take that and you know use it in my life I I
think I have been because recently I did lose my job and been job hunting got a part-time about to get a full-time it's hard to stay inside of that day when you have to worry about Beyond you know but being in the day is able to you know produce more I believe absolutely absolutely I would say that it's it's very much I guess allocating because there's always certain degree of looking forward to to kind of establish a vague Direction but then how much are you not looking at the
step you're on which is usually is the equivalent of how often you stumble or how often you kind of lose track of what you're doing because you're so busy looking over to what might be beyond the hill that you start tripping on the stones right in front of you so it you're right it is a very much it's very much a balance and I think that and I say this to somebody who's who's like mid-40s now that balance really only comes through losing your balance over and over and over again it really is
because it's in losing your balance that you go oh that doesn't feel quite right and so you find your way back to alignment which is always relaxing always authenticity always having you know just the willingness to go forward without needing the carrot or the stick you know that that's usually where you find yourself in the quote unquote Zone because you're just being yourself that's really all it is you're just being yourself and so it's a practice you know and I'm glad to say that it
sounds like you're doing Wonder it's just uh I I would encourage you to remember because occasionally it feels like you know I'm not being present I'm not being present that that's impossible that you can get really caught up in the idea that you're not present but you really have no choice you're always present yeah and yeah like doing this like going oh what were you saying no I just wanted to say that you're doing it right now like making the most of yeah
that's exactly what I was about to say too yeah yeah and that that's all I I feel I feel like this is one of those steps where it's like I do have goals I want to do something but you know going out of your boundaries and trying to reason through something and think about it with other people that are making videos and stuff that that stuff is it's so entertaining and I really hope people can like go out of their way to find it I think a lot of like the what I want to talk about is
the dude that you guys were just recently talking to in your live stream the preacher or whatever his name was I feel like it's very hard to have those conversations with people that were raised completely like enveloped in that system where if they if they dance outside of it it's forsaking everything that they've gone through all the people they've met what what they've talked about in their lives they can't think about venturing outside of that boundary because it's almost impossible to
forsake everything that you've done that like saying present of course that man was trying as hard as he to stay present to stay I I need to validate my life you know and I feel like there there's a point where I want to try to talk with people like you guys do but that's the question where do you guys like draw the bounds how do you how do you venture into a conversation with someone about this I think a lot of it takes sensitivity you know it it's going to be
different for every conversation and a lot of times this isn't even where it's start starts necessarily it's like just just talking to talk you know to interact with someone to have a conversation just about anything and then sometimes things have a way of playing out where like one thing leads to another or like someone opens up because it isn't as much about the words as it is you know the relaxation you know like how relaxed you are how how sensitive because when you're a little
more relaxed like there is more sensitivity there's more attention like they all kind of go hand inand to that experience of like being involved in your situation so you know for example with someone like the pastor or anyone who's trying to have you know control you know really control their life there's there's sort of a trade like if you're not prioritizing the experience that you're having primarily with your attention it's like there's going to be a desire
to like control more and more outside of that to to make up for that lack of you know fullness of your experience but it uh yeah it it differs for everyone but I think a lot of a lot of in my experience has been just the more relaxed I am the more it has a way of I don't know naturally playing out because there doesn't have to be anything that's necessarily expressed specifically to anyone like I can't convince someone said someone deeply entrenched in religious stuff like just them seeing
that there's other options is sometimes it but it has to come the first to yeah and it's yeah I I get that it's not about like the the actual having the conversation it's being so sure that you're able to have the conversation without losing it you know I get that yeah yeah um trying not to or I guess uh letting go of needing to prove a point is really helpful or has been really helpful for me and just sharing something that I'm interested in and then it just it it adds or it just it
takes away some of the pressure you know because if I need to have this conversation or I really want to and I'm I'm I'm really hopeful for it too like that that also is is a different type of pressure you know it's just framed in a positive light I'm hopeful for this conversation I'm hopeful for this topic because to some degree I'm trying to you know you know get somewhere and so I I would say check in to to see if you're if you're trying to make that conversation
topic come up versus just being so interested in it that it just naturally comes up because someone is like what are you interested what are you so interested in and they're going to be asking you to to tell them about it versus you looking for opportunities to tell them I find myself agreeing I I do I really like the switching the emotions you're feeling from positive to negative I feel like I've done that in my life I've tried to change being nervous and anxiety and stuff like that into just
excitement those nerves are excitement and you want something so bad that's why you're getting nervous that's why you're getting excited um I I I don't know I don't want to take up the the whole conversation with a bunch of serious stuff though I did want to switch before my time gets cut off what you guys think about aliens cuz beyond all of this I'm a I I believe my like one like out of this world dream would to be living on mars or going into space and living in space and
contributing to humans growing like that what do you guys truly believe about aliens and like that whole goal for a lot of space stuff now um for me I would say it's it's not so much a matter of belief so much as just not holding on to some idea of myself that makes it impossible for other species to be out there it seems kind of obvious that there's got to be like for the size of everything there has to be like there has it just seems ridiculous that to to
think that there isn't um as statistics the the math on it yeah yeah as for space I I think it's it's another Frontier I think it's it's another way that we can explore but think that it's going to really depend on us exploring ourselves I think that the resources and everything else that we need to really do that requires us to move Beyond money and rich people and corporations so that way we actually do it in a unified way where the species itself is exploring
and not just running from the planet that it's destroying not to interrupt to segue I really agree with that too I I truly believe like I don't know most of the lives that we are forced to live the minimum wage the you know fighting for corporate or moving up in the louder it's not it's not Progressive it's not going to push us towards that sort of goal I do totally agree that eventually people have to start just working to be the best you can be to be independent
and lack all of the things that we are forced to strive for you know to just really go for the moon quote unquote but also I wanted to ask uh Amanda and um I'm forgetting your name I'm so sorry the other guy what you guys also think about space aliens oh with uh with the aliens conversation yeah um yeah it's a it's a fun thing to wonder about honestly like before we started having conversations I never really thought I always figured like yeah it's like there must there's
got to be something out there and even just like in eternity like the variation of alien that's the three of us sitting here talking with you on the phone but you know I have a black shirt on and Ray has a red shirt Amanda's jean jacket is a leather jacket like that could exist out there somewhere too and like wonder about that and the VAR you know just the variations in yeah an infinite infinite reality but oh oh yeah I am so on board like there has I so I have thought for a
while that there's got to be aliens because of the size like the numbers have it I was like there's no way that it's just us and if it would be that' be lame you know like what do you mean it's just it's just us on this planet there's nothing else anywhere ever like that's just I was like I don't like that story I was like I'd rather make it so that way there could be but I always thought that like we were like uh kindergarteners in the landscape of of space travel and it's like we could
barely get out the driveway we only made it to the Moon so I feel like they're waiting for us to like how to drive off out like off the driveway and onto the street before they're like hey confirmation we are here you know so I always thought that we were just uh I I love I love thinking about it like that I think that's I think that right there is the only way you can really think about it is of course there's aliens and if there is they're probably just waiting for us but I feel like that can
be one of the scariest thoughts that someone can have is that maybe there are creatures that are as strong and as smart and as powerful as you think your gods are on Earth but they might just be waiting they might just be floa around seeing if you're really able to become one of the space fairing civilizations that's a totally sci-fi thought it's outside a lot of Realm of people nowadays they can't even think about something like that but it's so I don't know it can be a really interesting way
to think about life is that yeah I'm I'm a person going about my daily life I need to focus on myself and do all this but maybe there are giant aliens out there that are just waiting for us to figure it out but we don't know for sure so it's like I'm just GNA go about my day maybe it's true maybe it's not and I don't need to worry about something that I don't need to confirm yeah you need to ignore that because you know that that goal of becoming the best you can be and
focusing on yourself and day by day working on what makes things better it gets crushed by something like a huge Alan in the sky but I love thinking about stuff like that I think it can be a future for us absolutely no I I have lots of questions for sure yeah um it's been a blast chatting with you and we really want to say thank you for calling in we are unfortunately at the end of our time but we're gonna keep chatting about aliens problem if nobody else calls in thank you so much for calling
inate of course I will definitely I'm going to keep my eye open and I'm going to make sure I catch more of you guys and hopefully I can offer more entertaining topics besides aliens I I do really appreciate this time likewise yeah we do this every two weeks so we'll see you next time have a going guys have a good one take care by oh God I love calling shares yeah I have all kinds of questions you know like Perhaps Perhaps you know what what we're experiencing
right now is in in fact just a certain perception of reality that we have the opportunity to move be on and in doing so become what other versions of us consider to be aliens like what if we're just seeing future adaptations of oursel that are outside of space and time I'm saying absolutely and it's like we're seeing the wonderment you know the the ideas like of even the aliens that we've seen in cartoons like are they just human evolution like is that just human evolution that
is out in The Ether look at our our own development right like we were talking about the fact that um humans earlier versions of humans not Homo sapiens but homo abilis and whatnot were had larger bodies right but smaller brains and as we've learned to allocate more energy to the brain which was developing our body took the hit we ended up becoming smaller in terms of just not needing all that sheer strength as well because we were creating things we were using tools
we were using our big beautiful new brain right right so you take a look at that like to the point again where human females now deliver babies six months before they should have been born back when we were a different version of humanity right the birth canal is smaller because the're smaller body so humans are the only beings that are born without the ability to walk in a very short period of time because we're so underdeveloped coming into the world crazy but the big change there is that
our [ __ ] head got bigger our head got bigger and our bodies got smaller and when you listen to people's accounts of aliens giant head small bodies future adaptation maybe a possible adaptation on any planet in any form given enough time it's just going in that direction what if they're dolphins that spawn legs in the future because dolphins have the same size brain as we do do they were able to use a little bit it could be a little the point is is that it's relatively It's relatively the
same and it's very much as advanced and so I mean what's to say that later on they don't develop the ability to time travel they don't develop you know new Limbs and whatnot down the road and all they're coming back flying around in you know a flying saucer that that's just manifested from them understanding that they're reality which is why it has no propulsion system whatsoever it just Banks turns on a 90 degree angle like there is no such thing is physics yeah
right and it's all because they've transcended the three-dimensional illusion of physicality and now they're just [ __ ] around like it's their own dream that's right and I wonder if there's like a way you know as a as a human like let go relax whatever enough consistently that's like you know shifts start happening like just from I want to say quickly and I'm I'm announcing this because I'm about to Jack out the volume so anybody who's been listening and Jay
I appreciate you letting us know in the comments section the volume is very low as of right now and I can edit this after the fact but I'm about to turn up the volume so if you have your volume turned up real high this is where you're going to want to turn it down I'll give you a second or two okay we're back how's the volume now should be should be higher all right cool good um yeah so aliens dophins oh every Humanes there it is there oh yeah there's the uh I wonder if like there's
variation of humans from different animals too like right now we're experiencing you know very or like because we came from the sea like if animal are like different just different routs and I guess they pretty much are from single cell organisms like every variation of Life Is A variation of that single cell organism and so if you know with with brains and whatnot is like you know anywhere that any species settles they would call Earth yeah I love that point yeah yeah I remember that one that
one's uh noting matter what species you are your planet is called the dirt yep the dirt ground would be necessary to some degree with life and the spawning of life and so it all kind of like there are variations of Earth out there there's living beings and like if if the not like the end variation but like a very heavily involved evolution is like humanity and it's like what's next and and like the brain and and the thinking to get to that variation it's like on
other planets there may be very similar you know Evolution it's just that to have that happen in the same period of time it's like inevitable but you know with with how close it is it's like would we have interaction with them at some point who knows I don't know it's it's fun to wonder about possibly and I love that we're talking about like the evolution of of brains and of life and but also like the different ways that they're structured because like um you know technically we all came from
mushrooms and mushrooms was like all animals and plants are descended of of mushrooms or have evolved from from mushrooms and uh mushrooms have a digestive tract that's outside of that's on the outside and and animals and humans and they tend to have a digestive tract that's on the inside and I just think how funny is that like they're both digesting but it looks totally different and yet that also that digestive tract the the the melium is also like their neural network
and so it's also like the way that their brain is structured and their brain stretches for thousands of miles it stretches as as far as the land will go and I think that's so cool that like their brain is massive technically they got the bigest brain on the planet you know and and we don't think of them as like a a superior uh species or a form of life but there are more there are more species there are more mushrooms on this Earth than anything else and if there if
there really was an apex predator we're totally surrounded by the mushrooms and we don't even understand how how how much they are integrated into our life and how that might be the most expansive and impressive brain that we have that we have available to us and yet we kind of feel like we tap back into that maybe when we take you know it feels like we can tap into that sometimes when our attention is um edgeless oh yeah it's like it's almost like if the Earth is is a brain itself
like we Spawn from that mushrooms Spawn from that SP melium like we're just kind of like neurons popping out of that brain and the mushrooms are similar to that it's like we're kind of just a variation on some degree like on this sliding scale of like perspective and we've kind of made the world relative to us you know like it's relative to Human in size but in terms of big and small we take those so seriously and like give them so much truth but it's relative
it's all entirely relative absolutely well I mean it's kind of funny right because in the same way that we were kind of saying like when you look at like our brain stem and our neurons and and all that it looks very much like a tree right and how it's all connected and and when you look at a tree you're like oh wow yeah that makes sense but a tree can't get up and move around so we actually evolved in organic pot for our tree we've developed an entirely different kind of tree really that's
exactly what we've done I find it just fascinating that that's the case that you know no matter where you go you're seeing life expressed itself in ever increasing complexity yeah right but it's only a difference in complexity in terms of its ability to move around and communicate autonomously from the whole right because I mean mushrooms are always connected to the melium the melium is a huge Network that is aware itself but it can't just get up and move around because it's connected to
everything else so in order for that intelligence to experience what it's like to move around it actually has to have a greater perspective of division so now all of the [ __ ] that it needs like the digestive system the ability together resources all that it's all got to go into a pack right now we've got a packaging that we got to wrap that [ __ ] into because it's got to be protected as we're moving around they like some of them gonna have a tail some will have
fur some will have scales get those models out go out there and live your life step for us please oh my gosh and then we turn that into something that we measure and judge and like oh my pretty cool yeah get out there and let me right it's just like [ __ ] variations of that like you don't have to have perspectives those like how could you have perspectives of that that's so unique so obviously unique to you but yeah we really just packaged all that up and then it's like we became
became very very highly functional but started taking the packaging really seriously and how the packaging functions and what it means and then it's like we're just judging different packaging we forgot the packaging doesn't make us separate it gives us the experience of Separation because now there's almost like a barrier between me and that right but the fact is there isn't really no barrier it's just that you're used to feeling to the extent of that barrier
and now you're like no that's me what I can feel through this biological packaging is absolutely me it's like you but maybe you're still feeling everything else but in a way that you can't translate because you keep thinking about the biological packaging yeah and I want to mention we have an episode on this uh about emotions uh it's a community topics episode about emotions and the fact that there is very much I think a connection between all of us when it comes to the environment that
emotions exist within and I think that that is something that we often disregard that there are two different experiences happening in the world there's the world of your physicality and then there's the world of your subjective emotional psychological experience and that happens in almost its own environment and it's amazing in that way if you look at it that right because now all of a sudden you're like oh wow okay so I'm dealing with things in this subjective experience as well as like
it's not just that I'm going to the store I'm going to the store through my doubts and expectations right and that makes life so much more interesting oh yeah it's like everything that you do has the potential to have like an addition yeah it's an additional experience to whatever you're doing and it's like how seriously are you taking that additional experience is usually like how much you think it could potentially mean about you it's like the things work about are
the things we think mean a lot about us we were taught like deep down like initial sort of experiences like those are things that mean a lot about you and how much that becomes like the priority what it means about me instead of oh I gotta go on this adventure to the grocery store right now that's a whole full experience right there you know and instead of it being something that you could even like become afraid of certain experiences because you're so you feel
like you're so sure that like you can't handle situations you won't even try you won't even get on it but yeah it's that uh that dual sort of experience yeah I guess you know with Duality with the perception of division it's like it can it comes with the potential for two experiences like what's actually happening and what you think is happening like those are kind of the two all the time and how much are you prior it's basically like are you prioritizing what's happening or are you
prioritizing what you think we have a question and as this is a call-in show or call-in show I thought I would pass it over to Amanda for this one uh how would you guys Define yourselves I'm guessing you're all very spiritual but is it from less of a religious perspective and more from a everything is connected and means something way a uh how much time do I have um as much as you want I know I know I just uh it's just filler but that's what that's what I am I'm not rushing to answer that as as
much as I used to you know defining myself uh isn't the priority so I I know that I don't Define myself as spiritual and I don't Define myself as religious and I am not rushing to fill in that blank I am just I'm here and making the most of being here without needing that definition and having a lot of fun trying on different different roles different experiences you know so sometimes it feels like I'm focusing on a very spiritual topic or very religious topic
but I could view everything from another perspective you know so it doesn't have to be that I'm viewing spiritual topics from a spiritual lens because I can view them from a purely historical lens I can view them from a purely economical business lens you know so I actually could look at any topic from any direction I could Define myself in any single way and I don't need to settle on one thing and as the moments unfold as and changes it feels like we're just
trying on different lenses to explore different layers of experience and so you know if if I would um put a word to it it would be just um uh an like an Explorer you know that to put one to put one more I would just choose you know an explorer that doesn't need to get anywhere yeah uh changing a lot like in terms of defining myself I think a lot of it's been noticing ways that I have defined myself for like certain certain terms or words used that then May pop up in certain situations
that aren't as relevant anymore like oh I'm this type of person or I'm that type of person and just realizing how much settling on any specific definition or way of defining myself very much limits my experience very much gets in the way of me being able to relax because there's always like well I got to make sure I'm maintain in being this type of person like as soon as I Define myself there's like a craving a a satisfaction there like I'm I now Define myself now I know that like I get that
hit of certainty but then the trade is that I got to maintain that and it's like okay I am this and like body tenses up a tiny bit it's like we just have to maintain this tension to maintain this person and this perspective and this way of acting and this way of talking and this way of existing and then you know next moment could require you know if my attention's there could require a totally different response than me being like the type of person that I thought I
was and if I don't see myself as being able to handle that I'll I'll avoid entire situations because of that definition because of how I see myself but I get that sense of you know satisfaction from the sense of certainty that I Know Myself and I think it's far far less limiting and potentially you know not uncomfortable but just what it is to not you know not Define yourself not try and hold on to a conceptual idea you know in your head so much as you go because then it's like
you're letting yourself letting yourself live letting yourself be letting yourself be sensitive to the experience so yeah I mean there's there's certain you know roles you can play like right now like say podcasts or or like live streamer or whatever you know we call this but that if I thought that that meant that I had to act in a certain way or talk in a certain way then that would get in the way of me being me I might try and talk a little bit differently
and what would that be based on based on other people I've seen who have podcasted and that might they might not be holding on to an idea of being a podcaster they might just being be being themselves there so I'm just trying to be like another person or a group of people that I've noticed do a similar thing so even in defining myself one way or the other as a nice person good person bad person piece of [ __ ] best thing ever you know podcaster lawyer all those things like we can come up with an
idea of what they mean but there's still just my assumption about it and it's kind of just like a lot of times putting roadblocks like there is no objective nice or good or lawyer or any of the things that we come to so yeah I mean a lot of a lot of the last couple years of my life been looking at the ways that I've defined myself and seeing that oh that's that's limiting my experience yeah I I think that's it it's uh you know there it's often referred to that life is a mystery and
I think that's only just because we continue to try and figure it out that there's this sense of you know I need to put it together I need to have some grasp of what's happening I need to understand and I think I've just gotten tired of that mentality as a whole because that's really all labels like spirituality and and and whatnot really are even non Duality like that that's all that's all fun in terms of description and whatnot they're just they're just Concepts at the end of the
day there's still an attempt to try and understand this so that way you can feel better about the FR question of what is this that that uncertainty that's constant and I'm tired of that I I think what I'm left with is the experience of who I am the experience that I'm having right now the feeling of my hand the feeling of my voice leaving my throat you know the feeling of the air around me just the experience I'm having in terms of expression that is something that if I
had spent as much time in my life really paying attention to that as I had trying to pay to why that was happening where it was going what did it mean who was in charge I I think I would have a very different appreciation for my life that I'm just now starting to really come to in my mid 40s that we get so lost in trying to to answer a question that only exists because we're not [ __ ] paying attention and in paying attention we find that a lot of the questions that
we're asking come from a sense of need that does not exist when we are paying attention it kind of like answers itself when you're paying attention it's like you realize how much is going on like how many things are are going on and it's not about the thoughts and assumptions so much it's like because without the wondering it's like you're left with what's what's actually happening it's like there is it's a experience where you're not thinking so much and like that isn't
something that you can think your way too you know and you can't think your way out of thought you can't get to a point where you come up with an answer that solves you know the the desire to keep looking for one or dis there solves the the action that has to be taken to look to look for it you know to find the meaning of life to wonder about it it's like you keep diving into thinking trying to answer that and assuming that there's going to be a point where because you have the answer it's going
to what then mean something about you or you're going to have the ultimate sense of like Direction you're going to be able to answer that that feeling of like well I don't know what's next it's like why why do we keep looking like what would we get what do we think we would get if we got you know an answer to a big question it's like a gold star and like feel really good about yourself is that it or then is it ultimate control is it a guarantee is it certainty like
is that what you want do you want your whole experience to be guaranteed you're going to feel great for the rest of your life no matter what as long as you you know keep and as long as you keep not jumping into new things like is it gonna solve that feeling of petrifying fear when you're trying something new and you know you're afraid of getting judged and failing like does it answer that feeling does it solve that feeling like no there's there's experience there and so
you know when you when I wonder about questions like that it's like it's fun to like think about stuff and like talk about it for sure but like yeah it's it's it it's any of the things that I'd be concerned about I wouldn't even want them solved by something and like do I really think that I'm gonna get something out of answering that question possibly I I do like the question you know what does what does life mean and to some degree you experience whatever you decide it means is how I'd like to
phrase it you know and I can't say life means what you say it means but I I I I would be so bold to say that you experience the meaning that you decide is there or not so if so if you think that life is worthwhile then you will experience that meaning that you have given him you know if you say that it's not worth anything then you're not going to experience or that's what you are going to experience you're going to experience the lack of meaning because you have decided that it has no meaning
and therefore you will experience a lack of um but that's not necessarily to say that it is Meaningful or it isn't like the nihilist life means nothing there's no points or we're super hopeful life means everything it's magic it's it's it's just it's Bliss and it's like no but you can certainly experience a lot a lot of what you envision a lot of what you imagine and we can imagine dreams as much as nightmares but that's not that's not what's happening it's it's but it's
uh we can certainly contribute to the experience that we both create and then feel engulfed by or feel at peace or in or without conflict of I think that's that's probably reasonable you can you can still have your assumptions but you don't have to be in conflict with every assumption that you think of nice well said um I want to remind everybody that this is a college show and we still have a little bit of time left if you would like to join us please do so at dualistic unity.com
just fill in the form let us know what you'd like to chat about and agree that you don't mind it being part of an episode and we can chat for to like 10 minutes um we have a follow-up question how do I let go of this need to have my questions answered then how do I let go and just be okay with existing and I I think it really helps or at least it helped me to recognize there is no how there is no how to let go like the the search for the how to let go is the holding on
the letting go is actually as simple as just being where you are now the question how do I stop asking questions it really comes down to understanding where the questions are coming from I I think like a lot of your questions are are coming from a sense of lack sense of need a sense of you got to get somewhere or get away from something right a lot of the questions come from a sense of of fear and so recognizing that asking the question often reinforces the place that
it's coming from can help uh it's nothing wrong with asking questions ask questions all the time that's how you learn but it's what questions are you asking and are they coming from a place that ultimately you're trying to escape through asking those questions it become a loop that you just end up chasing your own t right like asking how do I stop this implies there is something to stop exactly you know like the answer not even the answer but the the assumption
is built into the question more often than not yeah oh yeah yeah it's like it's like answering it doesn't solve where it comes from it's like bringing it bringing it along with you it's like running from a wagon that you're dragging behind you it's like how do I go of this thing to get over this thing or and it's like you're the one dragging it's like you got a grip on it it's like well yeah I've always had this grip on it what do you mean that can that can be
released like that's option it's like wondering how to get rid of it while still holding on to it it's like yo well you got to let go in order to you know not keep running from it but like that's not something someone else can do like that decision that you know willingness to rec willingness to forgive yourself for whatever things that you think you're afraid of happening or wish hadn't happening well that's it and I think the danger there is the idea of forgiveness you know like you should be
okay with it it's not even about forgiveness so much as the understanding that you don't have all the knowledge you need to judge it you don't have the clarity to be able to judge it for what it is you know and there's a question in the chat here that I I wanted to cover because this kind of goes in the same line how do I stop wanting to kill myself and I want to say first off if you're not a listener of the podcast then you don't know everything I've communicated in the first two seasons of
this I lived there for 10 years and I even tried I cired the drain for a long time and I would like to share with you I think the pivotal thing that that changed everything for me and it's not going to it's not going to change things overnight but I need you to take this in the you that you want to kill isn't the you that you are you are looking at an idea of yourself a perception of yourself and you are making the assumption that it's the truth you you look at things that
you've done and you see a mistake you look at ways that you've acted or things that have happened to you and you see something that shouldn't have happened or something that's going to ruin the rest of your life and what you're seeing there is an assumption that's what you're seeing and it's not you but the more you identify with it the more you want to think you know who you are the more that [ __ ] will drag you down and so this is why it's typically referred to as an ego death it's the
recognition that the idea of you isn't the truth now that's not going to make your life Blissful overnight but it's going to take some of the pressure that you're putting on yourself off just ask yourself maybe I'm wrong maybe what I think of myself is incorrect maybe I keep assuming things about what I've done without having the benefit of enough time behind me to put it into context every teenager feels like everything they do is a mistake that everything is being judged and when they
grow up into their 30s 40s and 50s they look back and they go oh well that's ridiculous I needed to go through those things how do you know that what you're going through right now you won't look back at later and see as valuable how do you know that your demons won't eventually become angels and the better question is are you willing to do the work to make that happen and the work is in letting go letting go right now of the idea that you can know in any way
that is conceptual or IDE a who you are any way that you can measure your value you can't your value is immeasurable it cannot be compared to others because all you're doing is looking at assumptions how do you want how do you let go of wanting to kill yourself let go of the self that you think you are yeah that was assumptions they're very personal the assumptions that we can know that we know that we know period something it's like no I know and and it's like we're
so if we're thinking we know things like knowing ourself is guarantee it's like of course I know myself I've been around me the whole time and yet I'm an expert yeah it's been a PhD it's been a very nit like it's been HD my class off my class right right with a minor in [Laughter] Obsession H not addiction just Obsession identity Universal appli responsibility and Obsession and the person follow it up they said you know I'm addicted to proving people wrong and that's
fantastic that you're recognizing that because it makes sense that you would want to we live in a world that we were raised in order to be right where our value was immediately synonymous with being correct all the time and so when you don't feel like you have value you're immediately want to look for ex for opportunities to establish that value don't judge yourself for that but recognizing it is a huge step right now you should be patting yourself on the [ __ ] back just for looking at that
you know because that's honest you know and then you start to recognize like oh okay well maybe I don't need to be right all the time maybe I am just trying to feel a little better and all of a sudden you become a little bit more willing to not hpe up right away and say how much you know you're willing to let other people Express themselves and then all of a sudden your relationship start to change but this is how this is how it's through that self- Honesty without
judgment so understand that everything you've done up until now you did because you thought it was the only thing you could do it was because it was everything you [ __ ] learned you haven't made any mistakes you've been slugging it through a bunch of [ __ ] that was taught to you by people who are suffering well done you're still here that's incredible just to be able to give yourself space to choose something differently right and that's what it feels like when you um don't
need to be so certain and I resonate so much with the being addicted to proving people wrong because I was so desperate to prove myself right and that's why I was so adamant I would fight tooth and nail the minute that somebody oppos me in a conversation it was like that's it I'm dying on this hill this is this is the hill of being right I will die on this hill damn it I have defended this land for countless days and nights you're arguing over the pronunciation of a word
oh my good I was that person oh my God getting so upset like oh my God these idiots well how do they walk across the street by themselves you know like I would be so andd be so desperate to just prove that I knew what was happening that I that I was right that I had control that I wasn't lost that I wasn't you know in danger at risk you know just that I didn't that I that I could get to a point where I where I wouldn't need to be afraid and you know when I when I could
see that I was I was more so trying to prove myself right than trying to prove people wrong people being wrong was just a means to my right end and and then it was just seeing that it really had nothing to do with them and everything to do with how I saw myself or or how little I saw you know and and how much I I saw the Assumption and the idea of me and I was so certain I was sure I knew what Amanda or I was you know and it just um and I was certain that it wasn't enough and that I
needed to do everything possible to finally become enough and and for life to be worthwhile and yet as I was even konco getting those victories and winning in conversations and and crushing people in conversation it didn't deliver and I I used to say that like it didn't work like the system's not working we need to just admit things are not working I'd like to rephrase that it's not that it's necessarily I could say it's not working but how I'd like to view it and describe it now is
just that it didn't deliver on the Promises it said it would and that's what the big wakeup call for me is that no matter how many people I prove wrong it never really gave me that feeling of being right and so that was something that I am so grateful for all the times that I went that I was pulling teeth and I'm so glad that I went so hard to prove people wrong because it made it so obvious when I could see that it wasn't about them and it was about the idea and the Assumption of of
me yeah the desire to prove people wrong like we'll do that and you know and in something like karaoke even we'll be so sure we'll be so sure that in a certain way make sure yeah or or someone will tell you how how you could how you could be better or someone you know says you did you know a great job and you didn't think you did and you you discount their perspective entirely because you're so focused on being correct it's like and then and then because you feel like you
have control of that perspective it's like you feel like you almost want there's like a weird desire to prove that correct prove your perspective correct even if it is a [ __ ] crazy perspective that you wouldn't have any perspective of anyone else it's like you you desire to make it correct almost and you still don't have that control you could act exactly how you think you have to act in order to prove that and it still guarantees nothing it still guarantees nothing whatsoever so even to
prove your own perspective yourself you can't do it if you're if you're you can't even do it for yourself so it's like to maintain such a strong you know desire to be correct about yourself because that's what a lot of it becomes an expression of it's like I want to be right because then it proves that I'm at least right about myself or that I'm someone who yeah is is better it's like a means of becomes a means of measuring almost like how many how correct can I
be throughout the day how many right answers can I get we turn life into a test like how many perspectives can I have and then confirm in reality how valuable can I become yeah valuable can make today oh my goodness we have more questions we have one and I want to get into this because my perspective of this has changed a lot and I've had a lot of experience with this so is taking shrooms to have an ego death and experience you'd recommend being older before taking for example being an adult
18 or over um I think the question comes from a misunderstanding of what's happening on mushrooms to some degree and what I mean is that an ego death is not something that is achieved it's not a one-time thing in fact what it is is kind of a glimpse at reality that you will have in greater or lesser dep depending on how much you are thinking about the idea of yourself and the trajectory through your assumption of time as a whole so if you're thinking about yourself a lot you're not really
getting a glimpse at reality you're you're really getting immersed in these thoughts about reality this assumption about reality this assumption about where you're going what might be happening how you're doing all that stuff and when you have just a moment of going maybe I'm not that you have had a quote unquote ego death now your ego will your ego will never die because it is your T Ticket to Ride it's it's a beautiful experience once you start to get the hang of whatever the [ __ ] it is
but the ego death we're talking about is just letting go of it as reality it's the death of your commitment to the ego that's what it is it's not the death of the ego it's the death of your commitment to the ego and it happens in small stages throughout your entire life it is actually part of the organic developmental process of our ego as a whole from childhood onward if we were just given enough time and enough space and the right environment these are all things that we would come
to we would question our idea of ourselves we would eventually take the pressure off we'd let go of all of these assumptions this is something that is absolutely natural it's just that our our environment our society our our economy all of that does not make it a priority and so we're severely hindered Even in our education which is only about getting a job and has nothing to do with you developing as a [ __ ] human being so that's said when you take psychedelics you are removing or rather
seriously decreasing the default mode that you operate in all those background thoughts so you are putting yourself in a position of a Moment of clarity that you would have with slightly less depth without the psychedelics so instead of thinking it as oh this the mushrooms are doing it for me you're still doing it the mushrooms are in fact just accelerating it and the reason I want put it that way is because those moments of peace that you have in your life without psychedelics
come at come after moments of confusion moments of frustration moments of disappointment mot moments of emotional turmoil and so in the same way that you go from One Moment of clarity to another Moment of clarity through a sea of [ __ ] over possibly weeks or months you will go through that same experience in minutes or hours on psychedelics so you're not shortcutting anything and I really want to make this clear a lot of people look into mushrooms they're like oh yeah I'm gonna
do that I'm gonna have an ego death and then they end up face to face with their their attachments the [ __ ] they don't want to let go of the fears that actually drive them towards those attachments that they have never looked at and it becomes very jarring and so I would say if you're going to use psychedelics use it with the understanding that it's an accelerator pad for change not pleasant change change which is how you grow you don't need them is what I'm saying you can just pay
attention yeah but and yeah like certainly not an accelerator PAAD but it can almost like be a component of the change in yourself like even just a willingness to try mushrooms to take mushrooms like it's you know jumping into an uncertain experience and and there's going to be maybe things you go through things you you see but it's like a component of you changing like it's another thing kind of like talking about you know being one being God like that whole conversation isn't like the point
to just like sit there and talk about it all the time it's like a conversation that could be had among you know a billion other conversations that could be had like mushrooms are another experience just like you know taking a walk and have that potential and yeah there's like maybe more internal impact or shift or or whatever but it's still like a component of you changing being like the overarching your experience and so it's it like fits into that but yeah
it gets kind of flip turned into doing something for you A lot of the time and it can definitely be a component of of shifts and whatnot but then it's like yeah you see certain things and then it's facing them and dealing with them and going through them and like you know it can feel initially the shifts can be like you know big Grand things like oh I never thought about this or like oh wow reality just is like life just is there is you know a blueprint or reality isn't
this like constructed thing that we look at right now it's like it's just sort of a baseline thing but then you know they can start showing you more personal stuff and then it's like you know you you go through those things and work through those and they're almost like yeah I mean like I said they're showing you a glimpse of of that experience but then also reasons that you know you don't experience that all the time you know you get looks at all those things
and then you know the actions happen outside of that though yeah yeah I think that's very cool like just how mushrooms amplify the changes that you're in the like you're in the midst of and they amplify you know what your focus is what your priorities are and it's so jarring because we have a lot of assumptions about how great or how terribly we're doing and then we get to see that it's like maybe it's not maybe it's not as bad as I think and then May and then sometimes it leads to maybe
it's just not what I think and there's more than just my thoughts and and I I feel like the mushrooms can sometimes take your perspective and you zoom out and then it just changes like a kaleidoscope and you all of a sudden you're looking at an entirely different view entirely different perspective but then but then it's not like it eliminates it doesn't shave off potential it doesn't shave off steps it just changes the perspective of the step that you're on and sometimes there's a little bit of
resistance or conflict with with that change or with that with that uh assumption being burst to some degree I feel like mushrooms do a lot of um they give the they give a lot of space for bubble bursting because usually we're blowing it up with assumption and then there's just it's just harder to maintain the script it's harder to maintain the Assumption on mushrooms and that's just it not doing necessar it doesn't It's just sometimes it feel like people think that or I thought that mushrooms
do the work and they don't do any work they just they just highlight what's all what's being done at the moment they amplify the step that you're on and sometimes we don't want to take a clearer look at that step because the Assumption feels more pleasant well or you start doing the thing where you're using mushrooms to feel better like you're using mushrooms to get in touch with reality to really have a like an attentive moment and the problem there is that W that's true they're offering
you lessons at that exact time into why you need them to do that you know and that that's very much the point you don't you really don't all mushrooms are teaching you is how to relax but often we want them to do the work because we don't want to relax the rest of the time we want to feel like we're in control there are certain things we're still invested in and the mushrooms won't do the work for that that's why you have people who have done [ __ ] tons of
mushrooms and are still egotistical are still you know looking at them as something that that you know makes life better rather than them just making life better because mushrooms don't do [ __ ] no and yeah it's like you don't because you really don't you really don't need them like if you're just aware and like not making so many assumptions and going through stuff because then it's like you take mushrooms to especially if it's like hoping to feel better or you're going in
you kind of are maybe aware of some of the things that you were aware of the the last time or it'll give you a good look at more of yourself and like it won't feel good at all like it just shows you more and more perspectives of yourself like potential perspectives too like not guarantees but just things that maybe oh that was in aide of this room that I hadn't noticed or hadn't realized or hadn't paid attention to right here and it'll it'll shift that Focus but it
still has to do with with you very much so and like your experience and and the and then applying it like it's not like to assume that there's you take them and in this four to six hour period like your life totally changes yeah without actually doing the things it's like there's things in your life that are impacting things there's your priority like moment to moment is creating your life your focus your attention where you give that attention is is right and
changing and and curating your life in a lot of ways and so to assume that mushrooms can just be something that's taken and then without what you keep you don't then shift your attention and your focus and where your priorities are it's like right there's the maybe there's an opportunity to see a reason to shift those priorities but you're still shifting your priorities and that has nothing to do with mushrooms yeah that's that's entirely up to you it's like met orally or in my
imagination right now we're a gymnast and I mean reality reality is just a gymnast and there's a lot of self-taught practice a lot of enthusiasm a lot of interest and all of a sudden we meet this this coach it's out of this world coach named coach room and then you know coach room amplifies the attention that we're bringing every day to practice and and bringing and matching our enthusiasm and mat matching our attention and then all of a sudden we we create a new trick That's So Dope
and then we think I would have never I I can't ever come up with a trick without coaches shom's help it's like no they just Amplified the enthusiasm the attention the focus that you were bringing every day they just Amplified that they just boosted that what was already happening and so yes it is fun you could you the option is there and they are uh a dance partner but you don't need the dance partner to dance alone and and that's that's the way that I think is a
a consideration for how to view shrooms is that it's a dance partner but you don't need the dance partner when you're dancing by yourself and you always are dancing by yourself and the music is your life that's awesome we have uh kind of a some fun comments here uh we made fridges and chairs but we didn't make pine trees and rocks man this guy's remembering his freshman year apparently um I I just want to say that's kind of a funny Insight because who who do you
mean by we like yeah what are you what are you identifying with there the body that you're in the species you're a part of or reality itself like what what is the division between you and those things you know it's not to say that we made them you know in the same way that you know we weren't made we came to be you know and then we expressed things accordingly you know we express things we've expressed our ideas and they've become fridges and chairs but we were
expressions of something else we were expressions of potential in itself and so I I don't think there is any separation I think that we're we are the trees you know we are the fridges we are the chairs we we are the Rocks we're all of it it's just that we tend to have the the idea that we're not and that gives us the Blissful experience of not [Music] being yeah we are we are those things as well and yeah it's really it's like because that experience of like just
thinking and and focusing on thoughts like it can it for a long time felt like just kind of what reality is you know thinking about stuff and or if I'm in a certain situation I want to think like looking even just looking forward to things and how much that became and then of course like my idea of my value is always like right there with it and what it meant about me and then it was like avoid certain situations don't jump into certain situations do jump in certain
situations but like it's all in my head and so much of that feeling that sense that guarantee of being separate from something like I got to start thinking about stuff and it's like if I'm not thinking about stuff and I'm just here I'm just involved and just interacting you know paying attention it's like the wondering about things can be fun to do but it's it's like you you gotta almost sink back into wondering to think about a lot of these questions and and like oh
what about this versus this and yeah obviously looking around you can feel like oh yeah well I can go point and touch this printer right here but this assumption that I moved through even through like empty space it's like there's still a lot of stuff there and a lot of our sense of division even physically is like self-defined you know and we'll get like the uh like the Phantom limb thing if someone gets a limb cut off they'll still feel like it's there there they'll
still feel like it's them and then if we start thinking about ourselves a lot you get the full body clunch and it's like you want to become super aware of of your body of like it's like a hyper awareness of you know like no I'm definitely definitely divided from this is the the full body punch is that feeling of like I am aware of of myself and yeah that's like you out think about that so as well I we have a question here you have been identified as Sundance guy uh just
for the listener who is not watching this live Andrew is wearing a shirt that says suance on it it's not just that he is dancing in the sunlight there is no actual reason for it aside from that um what does sun guy Sundance guy make he looks like a Creator there you go what do you make and try not to be graphic yeah oh man I've made uh a number of things videos that I find interesting part of me is like I don't even know how to where to start or answer answer that
because there's a side of me that feels like there was almost like a different it felt like a different sort of person making those things or I felt like I was different doing those things and and making all that stuff for a while but yeah I got into making social media videos like almost four years ago now and started out with just expressing sharing myself and then kind of just started taking it seriously and started making you know a lot of videos about specific things but
it was always just things that made me well I would always say things that made me feel better like it was a lot early on ways of thinking about things you know like self-help type dialogue and then shifted more so to talking about you know being experience you know reality but it was a lot of a lot of talking about things it was from reading books it was from learning things because that's a lot of what's what's shared it's like how we you know being able to utilize social media to share
you know someone's quote is like early on stuff that I expressed and I love that quotes that's that's validated in everything you know that is certified you know yeah oh I don't know it just it was just it was just approved and so it's like of course I'm gonna take someone else's words that I know have been verify that are socially acceptable that I know are externally validated and valuable so I'm going to take those words because experience in it of itself couldn't be
worthwhile and valuable no it's got to be filtered and then you know you know judged and graded on a scale and then after excruciating testing it's either reliable and valuable or it's just or it's not and and it's I resonate so much with that of just I'd rather use someone else's words because there couldn't be any meaning in mine couldn't be any value to mine and yeah and that's where it kind of started and over time shifted into you know more podcast discussions
and then kind of moved back to videos I enjoyed making and now you know we have a lot of just like we have a lot of content out there and so a lot of it's like pushing this content pushing this conversation but a lot of our conversations here they're not even you know specific to a certain topic or anything so it's like what am I making I don't know I'm expressing myself now and making things that I find interesting and I appreciate you bringing that up because it kind of reframes how I've
been thinking about just my content and it's like I can just make stuff that I want to make and like do that and be creative with it like my creative juices have not felt like they've been flowing a whole lot recently but um you know it's like got to start somewhere got to start posting stuff and I have a question for you not that you just say creative juices are you know weren't flowing it's like are creative blocks not a part of the creative process they are they areed there's an
accumulation period right I discount that first you know 25 year accumulations hard to beat yourself up right the has no you're wasting time sir how dare you oh exactly it's all part of the process all part of it there is no waste of time there is never waste of now we are unfortunately down to the portion of the show where we no longer have any time to take any calls but we do want to say thank you to everybody who could call in for this show we do have a question though from the Discord
in the ask a question section I do encourage you to join our community Discord if you haven't as yet full of [ __ ] dope people dope events and it's run by Jazz our administrator it's it's really just quite the experience and you can join us every Wednesday at 4 pm eastern time for a game of putt party uh basically it's digital mini anyway this was asked last uh Callin show and we didn't get a chance to go into it because it was last asked at 4:42 I give it us a whole extra seven minutes um is
everything not subjective including your and my opinion so I I would say that that's a fascinating question and very much the basis of what most of our conversation has been that in fact all opinions are just perceptions like all perceptions are are valid from the perceiver but that means that none of them are actually what is what is includes all perception but is not percept and so yeah we'll we'll we'll want that to be true almost or we'll and that's I think a part of even cognitive
dissonance is like no my opinion my perspective is the extent of like what I have to focus on what I have to experience my Guiding Light my guiding Direction it's like that's where our faith goes is in that you know wild ass like wild card opinion that shifts all the time and a lot of times doesn't even come from ourselves it's like our opinion of things is something that's kind of trained into stuff and so it's not even necessarily your perspective a lot of times but yeah it's absolutely
subjective and and I always get the imagery of like you know there being eight billion people on Earth and if everyone's following their opinion as like their Guiding Light their truth and like not seeing past their opinion preference which you know to a certain perspective to myself in a lot of ways like feels like a like you're letting go of something and yet when you put it into the context of things like B's running around being Guided by their unique opinion that is subjective to
them and based on their opinion their preference oftentimes just what's best for them without taking in any considerations beyond that it's like of course we're going to have chaos of course we're going to have Madness everyone running around blind like crazy and yet to an individual the realization like oh my opinion my perspective my preference is irrelevant like it's it's irrelevant to life it's irrelevant to reality almost feels like you're telling someone it can feel like like they're
you know like if if you're saying your perspective your not your perspective but like your preference and your opinion relative to life I'm not saying relative to like another person it's like there's a conversation there but it's not relevant to reality like it doesn't help you it doesn't help guide you it doesn't help help you get to a certain spot because it is entirely subjective and a lot of time cuts down a lot of that you know awareness and sensitivity the more
you follow and focus on that there's big trade there I it's interesting to even think about the word subjective because it's like it's subjective because it's subject to your opinion you know it's almost at the mercy of your opinion the way that you're viewing or experiencing something and then objective is is you know without an opinion and it's like picture a sunset don't think it's beautiful just picture the sunset literally just picture it just take it in just it is what it is it's there
that's it stop there that's very hard to do for the most part because our tendency has been to either label it as that sunset is beautiful or I can be doing something better with my time yeah you know that Sunset is not worth my time like it's so it's so often that you we don't take in things for very long before we make it subject to our opinion and and so because that was the that that came to mind because um that somebody had asked me to do that when they were like I was
like oh you know you know we're not that subjective and they're like okay great look at that Sunset right there don't think anything about it and I was just like [ __ ] it's beautiful immediately like I couldn't just look at a tree and just see the tree and there and stop there I couldn't just see the tree it was seeing it and then immediately having an opinion and immediately attaching meaning to that opinion and then an assumption and then the experience and then it just becomes
this self-feeding Loop it could be something as simple as oh that's very bright in contrast to what you know there's a big spectrum of brightness out there right so it's in contrast to the spectrum that you're familiar with so even that's not necessarily the truth and it can't be um this ties into another question that was just asked uh what are your thoughts on and I say this in quotes experiencing awareness without form is unimaginable but is the Ultimate Reality
and so that quote I would say is spoken by somebody who's really not enjoying their life because that's really what that comes down to the Ultimate Reality is reality like Unity is Duality that's the point the unimaginable experience of not having form can only be experienced through form that's very much the point that Unity can only be experienced through Duality because they're the same thing they're the same thing with the added bonus of perspective the division
between the Observer and The observed but there is no actual division between the Observer and The observed which means that every moment every reality is the ultimate whole complete Eternal reality that will ever be here and there that's it that's the whole thing right there and that's it sounds a lot like kind of the non-duality sort of like you know remove yourself it's like the Ultimate Experience is is a lack of experience or no experience it's like oh there's
there's a fullness to this there's a fullness when you're paying attention and not making it about you and and it's like whoa there's a lot there and like even just the the willingness to let yourself go like not try and maintain so much of a sense of control it's like if if it is all you know interconnected in one thing like the attempt even to control is just getting in your own way like it's just going to make you stumble and so that's an experience right there
it's like not following that sense of you know staying in control making about me feeling good about myself even prioritizing that it's like there's a there's a new experience not prioritizing that for a bit and there's so many variations to how full this experience is that we can like direct our attention in different ways like it is [ __ ] magical and fascinating and mind-blowing and unbelievable it's like almost unfathomable the point at which this is like even trying to comprehend
this it's like to think that there's some sort of like oh ascending to 5D and becoming this and Alternate World Galaxy battles and stuff it's like another you know fun story to think about and whatnot but it's like there's a lot of [ __ ] [ __ ] going on right here like the fact that we can simultaneously move things and talk and interact and experience emotions experience fear and anxiety and anger and frustration and how immediately sort of felt our experience is based on our responses to
experiences like it's insane it's [ __ ] insane so yeah it's like there there's a lot here I'd say yeah yeah there is so much um and there's no rush so I know that we're pretty much wrapping up our our call today but it has been an amazing call and show and I'm so glad that you all could join us thank you to everybody who was calling and we will be back in two weeks for another call-in show but we also have our public group tomorrow at 6 PM eastern time so if you couldn't call in
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