Start from scratch, 0 income, $0 0 relationships with insurance companies. I knew I had to do this because if I did something else, I would have fell into depression, honestly. Like, I would have fell into, like, just not living my learned to give without expecting anything back and very passionate about the racial wealth gap in this country. I believe the minority community, there's a huge gap of just wealth.
You're gonna slowly close this wealth gap within this minority trust community by telling people, here's how you do it. Here's the actionable steps. Here's how this person did it. Right. I'll team with this person. What's up, everybody? Welcome back to gathering the king's podcast. I'm your host. Chaz Wolfe. On today's show, we've got a business owner with an expertise that is brand new to this show. His name is Nev Inew, and he is the founder in owner of Kingdom bonding.
On today's episode, we go way beyond the glitz that you hear on social media and discuss these three things. How he built courage to leave corporate America, how serving others first Wolfe get you everything that you need. And lastly, the real cause behind America's wealth gap it's not what you think. After hearing this episode, you are gonna feel completely inspired to take the next leap.
Whatever that is for you, subscribe, hit the follow button, hit like button on the episode, maybe even put a comment down below of what the next step of faith is that you need to take in your life. Enjoy the show. Neb, my man. Welcome to the King stage. I appreciate you being here, man. Yeah. Of course. Appreciate you having me, Chaz. Yeah, man. I mean, I think that so this is a irrelevant.
You you you're doing a lot of things, but I know really your heart behind what you're doing is probably more of what we'll end up talking about, but tell us what kind of business Yeah. So my name is Neb. I'm the found new owner of Kingdom bonding. We were one of the, few minority owned bonding only agents cease in the country in a nutshell. Nobody knows what a bond is.
It's, but it's a insurance product for contractors that are doing work with the federal government state, local, or any general contractors. Yeah. And so you're you're helping them secure that type of, safety so that they can keep operating their business and not experience crazy issues. Exactly. Exactly. Exactly. Good. Well, I know that you you talk bonding and you talk contracting and and cash flow, all the fun things on a regular basis.
But bonding isn't new for you, but but you being an entrepreneur on your own is something that you've done in the last 12 to 18 months or so. And so I wanna really hear the journey because it's like fresh. You're you're like in the heat of battle being successful as you're as you're doing it, but you can have an interesting probably something extremely relatable to the listener. So I I would love to hear just a little bit of your backdrop. Like, how did you get into just this industry?
Was your backdrop even before that? Yeah. Yeah. So my story is, a little crazy with the with the little salt. So I graduated college 2016. It's never a school type of person. I hate school. I hate it. Go into class, to be honest with you, I was never a studious person. I ran log distance running in a high school and in college. If I put in the work, I get the result. If I put in the work, I'll get the result. And that's when I saw those traits I learned at at at a young age.
So what made me who who I am today So did that and running is a major thing in in my story because it was my outlet to to, like, escape almost. You know, it was it was my it was my outlet to achieve things, and it was my outlet to Friendship's brotherhood, adversity, losing, winning, pain, suffering, Yeah. You know, and then getting getting the result of what she put in. Yeah. So graduating, in May 2016, I was supposed to go to IT, because my mom told me to, and did a software testing class.
So I so I moved to DC and I hated it. I did it for, like, 3 months. I think you pay, like, $3000 to, like, do this course. It's gonna be a software tester. I learned how to, you know, Python and meet I meet I meet my website and It's very dedicated to to do it because they wanted to succeed. Right? Like, you were like, you wanna make your parents proud, but told them I was like, hey. I can't do this. I was like, I'm I'm gonna hate my life if I if I do this. So I ended up working at a gym.
Shout out to my 24 hour fitness, front desk, work part time, and I've built relationships with people that walk us. When people walk in, they'll get dressed very nicely. Right? And I would just build relations with people that were that Wolfe, I put together, right, and I built a relationship with a recruiter, Mimi Peter too, and he used to come in fresh every day to the gym.
And I'm and then he knows a story now, but when people come in, you would see, like, their name on the the screen pop up, and I will link them up on LinkedIn. And I'm like, oh, this person does this person doesn't it. I was like, Peter does recruiting. So I wanted to go into that company, AeroTech, so bad. I will make it to to the last round, and I'll get declined. And Peter was a director at ARTech Fairfax.
And restart conversation while I was working out one day, and he made a comment on my pants. So it was like jogger pants, shot these jogger pay us. He was like, where'd you get those rooms? Like, I got these for me. And then he was like, what do you do, man? I asked him that question even though I already knew. Because Albert Airtech. I was like, no way, bro. I've been trying to get in there. He was like, I got you, man. I said, work. And he said, yeah. I got you.
So ended up he ends up putting me on with the director of the office of that office. And it'll make it to the last round again, but the lady out in New Jersey hated me. So got declined again. I was like, bro, what in the world? So I was I was at a point before I entered construction or surety or bonding of giving up. Because I, like, I'm a huge fan of, like, that was the 18 jobless face that I got declined. Wow. And that was a year after I graduated. So Peter was like, hey.
Let me just find you a job. I got you. It's like, don't worry about these people. So Peter ended up finding me position with a local insurance agency here in Herndon, Virginia be like their little account manager. And the person in there that was leading the office said, hey. What do you think about being a producer?
And I was like, Sure. You know, I didn't really think structure is sure to you then, but we kinda spoke about, like, lifestyle and what what we got out of life and He was like, I could teach you this is what I do. And I'll say, sure, man.
Learn construction and surety with so within 6 months, I got licensed December 2017, I got licensed to do to sell bonds pretty much a insurance license with the state of Virginia pass the test and just never looked back ever since started developing a passion for us doing, started developing a purpose. So purposes, you know, to make an impact with people, to make an impact on what I was doing on a daily basis.
And I saw that because it was a financial it was a financial vehicle that I was helping people get, especially the emerging minority construction community. And I really enjoyed that because I saw them become multimillionaires through help them get bonded. Then I saw the fruit behind what I was doing, which is the the freedom. It it it did allow me freedom then. Because I was working for corporate America. And I had that journey of 6 years of working for corporate America.
To be honest with you, I hated it. It was just not me. It was just did not fit that box of being controlled. Sure. And so last year, came to a realization. We came to a, I wanna say disagreement. I kinda got backs out and was let go, and that really fired me up to, like, hey, man. Like, like, which, like, what what what are you gonna do about this now? Because you were off see the top producer here. How are you? Obviously, it's not about your work ethic.
It's it's not about what you're doing for your clients. It's not about how you did business. Right? So that's what I knew as I get. This is, like, war. And I can either put my tails in, you know, the whole wagon and just not do it now.
So I was planning to do it 5 years from now when I was 35, but ended up doing it, start from scratch, 0 income, $0 you know, 0 of relationships with insurance companies and really the people that believed in me what went with me, I guess, on the insurance company side and then had to give up, you know, things, right? So lots of trees in the life. Right? That's what I call them. Like, Chaz to had to put my apartment on Airbnb. I had to put my car in Peru. I had to move with my sister.
I had to walk places. Chaz to walk in the rain. I had sweating where I was walking. You know, and there was the there was food was limited. You know, like, everything Chaz a budget, like, budget, like, less, like, a $100 spent per month and just really just grind for like, 70, 80 hours per week. Yeah. There's a lot that that you've shared, and so I wanna I wanna kinda dive into some of this.
But, yeah, I mean, in essence, you know, corporate background, you, it wasn't a good fit for you, which I think a lot of people listening, you know, entrepreneurs kinda feel that way, whether they had a corporate job or not. It's like, you know, just a job in general feels like a box. Like, get me out of And so we can relate to that. You doing your own thing here, even just the last couple of examples that you've given as far as the things you have to, quote, unquote, give up.
You know, putting everything to to work for you so that you could survive. That's like the entrepreneur's journey. Right? It's like the the joy that we have to be able to give up quote, unquote, all the things. But my guess is that you probably were happy to do so because you were finally doing your own thing. Or was it in the moment? Was it difficult? Was it a challenge to be able to give those things up. I'm gonna bring in faith into this.
So what faith means because I think faith makes all things possible. I'm a follower of Jesus so excited. I do everything based off the word of god and I do everything based off faith. And I knew, like, if I didn't do this, Like, I wasn't obeying god, 1st of all, which is a noble thing to me. And I knew I had to do this because if I did something else, I would I would have fell into depression, honestly. Like, I would have fell into, like, just not living my purpose.
I would have fell into just being mad and angry. Like, you know, like, it it would not be a good site for me because I knew, like, I Chaz to do this. I don't have a choice. You know what I'm saying? God was so mad at that moment. I was like, I need an outlet to let out this frustration because if I don't let out this frustration, I'm but I I'd like this not gonna go go well for me. Yeah. And one thing I Wolfe thing I pray, I was like, hey, Laura. I was like, closed every single door in my face.
I think it's so obvious for me to start keeping him. Yeah. And he made it very obvious. It was so obvious. Like, it was super obvious because I was getting nervous. Everything was like, nobody wanted to hire me in everybody was giving me, like, day to day answer. They wanted to ping you at $80,000. I was like, you're not paying $80,000. So it's like, Chaz looks like I'm way too valuable for that. So I was more than happy to do that because I knew, like, I had to do this.
Sure. Yeah. So it was it was just a mindset. I just I just turned off. Yeah. I think it's interesting. I mean, in essence, you've referenced, you know, you made a decision. Right? Now for you, that was basin in what you felt like your calling was, but I think every entrepreneur, whether they would say they're faith related or not, Chaz moment of here's what I'm doing and now I'm resolute about it is a principle of success. And that's like, hey.
Look. Like, I'm not gonna be able to, like, tiptoe towards this thing. I've gotta, like, really decide, you know, does this make sense for me? You know? And if it does, then I'm gonna go all in. Right? That's what I'm hearing you say is that you decided to go all in. Now I I have some questions for you because some of the mindset around the frustration and even, like, the anger that you're talking about, how does that play in because I I could see frustration Chaz on the shoulder.
Like, that's total entrepreneur story. You know, what what what that what I feel like that wrestles with is that piece that you were just talking about as far as, you know, being being faith oriented And it's like, how did you work through that in the moment through your faith? Because not to say that, faith driven person like you or me can't be angry. Like, think there's anything wrong with anger. I think it's the result or the the what comes after Chaz. That that might be the problem.
But how in that moment were you managing is what I'm trying to say. That emotion of frustration, anger, disappointment, you know, hitting the ceiling, but but through maybe the lens of your faith or just through the re lens of just your resolute of like, no, I'm gonna freaking do this. That's a great question to ask. It's a wonderful question, brother. Wow. So man. So from a faith standpoint, what the word says, it's like, do not take in vengeance sweat rose swaps Chaz it is.
It says, do I take bandits on the people that do you wrong, you know, because it's last time responsibility. My my responsibilities to love people and serve people. They'll put some lovely interviews, right, which is wild. It's a really Chaz was hard. But, you know, the lord is faithful, and he will see the the end of your story. And I was I was a true believer in that And with me personally, yeah, I was mad. Yeah. I was frustrated, but that's not gonna do me anything.
Like, you know, say, like, Alright, man. That happened to you. And, you know, like, what? I got really into reading into David Goggins it was recommended to me by my name Zach Schultz, which is a great friend of mine in the industry. He told me to read this book called Never Fiddish. By David Goggins. It not book changed my whole headset, and I read it May Wolfe, a little audio book. I incorporated Kingdom May 13th.
That's so much of a difference they made on me because it it it took me from a victim to a victim mindset. I was never a victim to begin with, but you you can easily fall into a victim mindset. Oh, yeah. Thanks. Bad things happen to you. So I learned how to turn a negative into a positive. So I felt the negative emotion and every time I felt a negative emotion, I would work harder. You know? Alright.
You think you feel this, but there's a whole different story of like you kiss a pressure emotions. That will just eat you up as a man. You have to feel it in you you have to feel it and then do something about it. So throughout that time, he was a very unhealthy season. I'll tell you Chaz. Every time I felt bad, I would just work harder. Every time I felt something bad, I would just work harder. I would just put it into my work. I would just invest it into my work.
Then it come to a point at the, like, probably November December. I I I literally had to go through a whole forgiveness chapter of, like, I can't I can't do this because I'm eating away at myself and my health and and my sanity. So, yeah, that that's when I made that decision to forgive and move on and then got into really a lot of breath work, a lot of working it out. Their diet matters, in what you put in. Right? So that's really that's how I That's why I chose to do it.
I'm very happy I I I did it that way because it can it's, you know, these moments in in a man's life, it either make you or destroy you. And I was, you know, I was, like, bent on making this make me. Yeah. I wasn't I wasn't gonna let me go that way. Yeah. You can't have a victim mentality. Otherwise, you basically, the victim mentality is you allowing it to break you as opposed to zooming saying, oh, this is just a step along the way. Although it kinda hurts right now, it kinda sucks.
Like you said, you gotta feel it, but you gotta have the perspective there. It is interesting because every entrepreneur that listening today, myself, you included, it we we have this journey of these moments that that frustrate us or drive us emotionally, whatever the emotion is. And, you know, it's maybe more frequently, term, the the chip on our shoulder. Right? Like, entrepreneurs have a chip on a shoulder, and I'm gonna I'm gonna I'm gonna go get it. I'm gonna go get mine.
I'm gonna get them back. I'm gonna prove them wrong. Whatever that is that we've said to ourselves. And and I remember doing the same thing. I remember being young and and even that in itself just being young in my twenties developing multiple businesses and people saying that I was young or that they you know, is wait a second. You're doing what, and you're in your twenties, and and it was a chip on my shoulder of, like, I'm gonna show you.
I'm gonna be the youngest franchisee with the most locate in the system. I'm gonna I'm gonna have the most revenue. I'm gonna, and it was a chip on the shoulder of let me show you. Whether that's anger, whether that's prove it, whatever. But to your point, Every entrepreneur eventually has to come to a cross where it can't just be about the chip on your shoulder anymore, which is selfish, really, if we're if we're both being honest, that energy is selfish.
It's you taking the thing that you feel and then driving it forward so you can be right. Or you can go get yours or whatever that that phrase is. And so the the intersection that we all have to ascend to eventually is Why am I really doing this? Right? Because I I've I where are they? I've proved them all wrong. I you know, I come from a single mom family. I'm I've made millions. I've, you know, where are they? I've proven them all wrong. You know? What now? Right?
And so we have to ascend to that that that greater purpose or helping or serving others. Like, it it has to be able to be like that at some point. So my encouragement for the listener, if you're listening to Neb's story right now, And you haven't experienced that that transaction of, like, oh, dang. Maybe I need to be doing this for something bigger than just the tip of my shoulder. It will probably be a good conversation to have. I love how you opened it up with.
I had to go through some forgiveness, right, forgiveness, bitterness, you know, the things that, like, caused that chip to sit there for a minute really is some of the root of the what I was just talking about there, bitterness, and the and unforgiveness. You wanna talk about that for just Smage more before we move on? You can't hold things against people. It's it's really just draining you. And so you're you're just greening yourself.
And you have to come to a conclusion to let it not to let that not control you anymore. And I think every every person goes through this. It's not easy to do. I'm telling you, like, stuff is gonna be hard, man. But it it it's wouldn't she do it, you're gonna realize, wow. Like, it wasn't that big.
Like, peep people are people that hurt people, you know, and people that are healed or that that that are in this growth month to grow with each other and that you're gonna be very careful of how you move about what people know. Because you're gonna notice these red flags right away, and you're gonna like, oh, yeah. You know, you just notice in here just like, I don't wanna go through this again.
So Yeah. As in relationships, that's in a romantic relationship friendships that's in, you know, even even family or especially business relationships. Yeah. So it's like you know, you can't can't just trust as a very important thing, and and it takes time with them. And we just gotta just gotta see how people move and, you know, people that are Right. That are growth mindseted and that that won't wanna help you grow and that wanna because I have to help you.
And then and then you just create that community around you, you you will see yourself grow as well. That's what that's at. I mean, I I've had a to be honest with you with Kingdom. I I I really gotta my my contractors, man, they're my biggest, like, supporters. Like, like, they are I never thought god would Wolfe give me a business like this to be real with you. And they they see the vision behind it, and I love what people come up to me there. They see the mission behind what I'm trying to do.
Sure. And the road. Yeah. What I really enjoy is the relationship I have with people. These people become like my friends. They become like most like my brothers, my family. So it's like, yeah. You know? Yeah. There's real impact that you're having in their life. So it's a it's a real reciprocity back and forth between the two of you. So I I wanna know. I mean, you're, you know, wrapping up kind of year 1 ish. You've made a lot of changes mentally.
You've you've not only launched the business, but it's taken off. You know, you said, I'm I'm doing this business. I never thought I would be anything like this, let alone in year 1. What would you say if you had to nail down one decision that's kinda led to the success outside of obviously leaving corporate America and doing your own thing.
What was one thing practically that you've done or focused on in this in this, part of your business where it's it's led to a lot of your success and maybe the listeners can take a note. Learn to give without expecting anything back K. Have you done that? So just give free content. I'm I just give a lot. And I think the funnel, like, Scott, like, Scott does a lot of Chaz.
I think I learned a lot from Scott people, if, like, give without expecting anything, but just give give, you know, serve people and really doing a lot of content, but I do I do a lot of content on a weekly based on a consistent, weekly basis, a weekly newsletter, a weekly content, Chaz post. Being consistent on just being out there with people talking to people, seeing how you can help them connecting people that that might be of resource with each other because business is a business.
It's a huge holistic place of where all people come together, they they eat people to people to people. That's how you grow businesses. Yeah. And really just putting people together Chaz can grow it together. Yeah. Even though I might not get any I'm not getting anything out of it, but seeing that connection blew them, like, putting somebody that that's, you know, is that just started their federal construction firm.
Yeah. Putting them all with somebody that I know that does, you know, 70,000,000 of revenue. Right. You know? Yep. That has that 100,000,000 not bonding. He tells him, hey, man. This is how you gotta do it. Yeah. Blah, boom, boom. Let me show you how to do it. Yeah. You know? It's incredible. Chaz that that's more than Gabe bond. It's like that's like a deal. Right? Impact on that person's life and just education.
I'm very passionate about people knowing this stuff because this stuff, this getting a bottle is very similar, getting a mortgage. So it's like they have to know how to get it to get a 2 multimillion dollar vehicles, and they don't know how to get it. There will always be stopped. And I'm very passionate about the racial wealth gap in this country. I believe the minority community, there's a huge gap of just wealth. This doesn't mean I don't like to withdraw.
I'm not saying Chaz. Just saying, like, something has to be resolved in how you resolve that is by helping the under adult continuously win and replicate that because he's gonna go back and reach reach and and get 1. Another one's gonna reach and get 1, and you're gonna slowly close this you know, wealth gap within this minority, especially community by telling people, here's how you do it. Here's the actionable steps. Here's how this person did it, a team with this person.
So that's one thing I did consistently. It's just give and connect. Yeah. Hidden. Hey, Kings and Queens. Chaz Wolf. I wanna talk to you about something that's super important to me. We put a lot of time and effort. We, meaning myself and my team, into this podcast into the content that goes out every single day. And if you have been getting any sort of value or insight from this, we want it to be able to reach other business owners too.
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Let's help each other grow. Given you've given a couple of principles here. I wanna I wanna hit on the education piece because you're right. Giving without X-ray is huge. I think that the the value piece there is the listener when they meet somebody or when they are trying to interact or trying to get a client. Like, whatever the the connection people to people like you said. However, I can bring value immediately. Not only saying how I can bring value, but then going in, like, doing the thing.
I remember I had a conversation with with a guy. I just met for the first time. It's probably a month or so ago. Maybe not quite. I got introduced through a good friend. Here in Kansas City, and and he's a big name. And my, I mean, poised as as all successful people are. Typically, they're very curious, and they make it about you. And and I was good. I was share. I shared about me, but I was not gonna let it be all about me because I needed information so that I could be valuable to him.
And in that conversation, I learned a sup couple things I made sure I made a couple of good connections for him quickly, like Chaz day. You know? And there's already another meeting on the schedule with that guy because I've I've made value. I have no idea what, like, I he'll be a client or I'll be a client. I mean, I have no idea what that relationship looks like, but I know that there's synergy there, and we need to do something together.
And so I've been, you know, adding value to your point there. The second piece that you just said there around the the the wealth gap, I I wanna I wanna explore this a little bit because I come from a single mom family. And so even though I'm not ethnicity, minority. I come from poor people. Right? I come from broke mentality. I come from no one ever being wealthy. Do you think that it's as much ethnicity as it is knowledge? I like these questions, Chaz, you're thinking my brain. I like it.
That's kinda like a great question. You know? It's a great question. Let's, dive back into this. So it's not a ethnic thing. It's a mindset. But if you look into the background, if you look into the actual stats of what's going on in this country. Yes. There are people I hear that are that come from a single mom household but more of the other, like, after Americans are or they have more. So from a percentage. Thing is it's yeah.
Yeah. But it's a mindset that I'm trying to switch on every anybody that's going through it. Exactly. Right? That's good. And the there's entrepreneurship is a mindset that you have to switch on. It's a lack people are on a lack months and not on abundance mindset. And that continuously happens in minority communities. Oh, yeah. Continues. I'm gonna get pretty deep into this. Some people disagree with this. Some people agree with it.
But if if you look at to the communities that don't have much, they're just stuck in a bubble. You know, they're just stuck in a bubble. Everybody's on this black lights that they don't know even like emotional health, how to be a man, how to treat a woman, and you've had it, you know, red relegate your emotions, how to resolve conflict. It's a gap of knowledge.
And my gap of knowledge in my business is I wanna teach you how to get into this construction stuff and to get it to to get a piece that'll contracts You get it to to these contracts. You can make money. Yeah. And I wanna show you how to do because bonding has a direct correlation to you growing your business. You grow your business. You will gain multimillion dollar profits and you got it. And to retain a bonding program, you gotta retain profits You gotta be organized.
You gotta have good and profitable projects. There's a handful of just great surety agencies in this country. Yeah. Chaz I've learned from that I know that I'm friends with. They're doing a great job, but the there's not enough. Yeah. You know? Yeah. So the other the Chaz that's what I think it's a mindset that I really just try to develop a relationship with them, and try to get them in a way of running a profitable business.
Yeah. Yeah. I wanna make a distinction for the listener because you've done a really good job here of talking about these two angles. One is who are you helping? And and that's a marketing play. Like, a lot of times as business owners, we like to help people that have come from the same journey as us. And so you've come through things in your life that make sense for you to be relatable to this specific avatar. Okay. This makes perfect sense. You see a gap.
You wanna help this particular, whether it's group of people or type of industry, Like, that's that's marketing. Right? Like, I'm gonna talk to this specific person. So when I say my message, it draws their attention. Cool. But the distinguishment there of mindset of how to how to be successful, or whether it's contracting, whether it's bonding, whether it's podcasting, whatever, it's it's a mindset of of not only that I can, but but that I will.
And and that's that that mindset, that principle doesn't see color, it doesn't the background. There's a there's a old, I wanna say old, probably two or three year old video that I I saw on social media. I've talked about it several times because it really It really rubbed me the wrong way. It was meant for people like me, and so here's what the video, you maybe you'll relate to this. It was a it was a gym class.
And the gym coach, or maybe it was a, a basketball coach or whatever it was, but they're outside. They're on, like, a grass field, and everybody's lined up. You know, you got every you know, kids, you know, high school kids or college kids, and they're all, you know, in their athletic outfits and male, female, different ethnicities, you know, all everybody's lined up. And the the Chaz said before we before we start the race, we're gonna do a couple things first. Okay. Great. What's that?
And he's like, if you had 2 parents in the home, take two steps forward. If you only had one parent in the home, take a step back. Right? If you had this, take a step forward. If you had this, take a step back. And and he went through, like, 7, 8, 9, 10 different distinguishments between different people. Right? And so what you had before the race started was a couple people, like, literally right there on the finish line. All they had to do was step over. Right?
And then you had people all the way back, like, way behind what was the starting Right? And the point of the video, which was really sad, actually, was that there's this despairing gap between someone like me who didn't have a bunch of advantages, or some might say I did have an advantage because my skin is white. But in the comparison of all these things, I listened to all the things he said. I would have been behind the finish line or behind the starting line. Right?
And other people who had other advantages, my children, your children, are going to have other advantages that you didn't have, that I didn't have. They're gonna start sooner in the rates. The cool part is is that just because the guy at the end steps over and wins, he's not running my race. Now the unfortunate part about that video is that it played into this victim thing that you're talking about, which is, like, He won. And now doesn't that suck because you didn't have all the advantages?
And you're so far back there. It's like, no. No. No. No. No. We're not running the same race. You're not running my race. I'm not running your race. It didn't matter if I started ahead of you or behind you. It's my race. The cool part is about that mindset you were just talking about is I can choose to win this race. Right? I don't need someone else to tell me when to start or when to stop or how far I had to start back. Right?
I can I can go all the way to the finish line, whatever the finish line is for me, whatever success looks like for me, whether that's money or my family or my my marriage or my faith or my health, like, all these things we've talked about? I get to determine that. Right? Would you agree with this? Tell me what your thoughts are. Yeah. 10 out of 10. I agree with it. 10 out of 10. You said it perfectly. Especially with the with the with the gym analogy.
It's like there's, there's certain advantages that others have and you know, especially the the the 2 prayer household. It's very important. It's from a personal estate place. Very important because Van needs to be taught how to be made. Yeah. You know, it's it's all it's it's one of the the things that's needed. And it's when you don't have that, then things, you don't learn certain things that's gonna help you succeed in life. Right? So Yeah. But you not having that, you can't be a victim.
Yeah. You know? So my thing is how I think into the the the things of Chaz, it's, you know, it's not my fault. What happened to me in my past, it's not my fault. Things didn't go as bliss. It's not my fault. These things happen, you know, but it is my fault how I react to it. Real. So that's that total accountability. Right? It's like Jocko Jocko Willis. I've read book, but extreme accountability. You know? Yeah. Whatever it happens to you is not your fault, but how you react to it is.
And that's just every man goes through Chaz journey in his life. Right? So he's just for every man or woman, you know, they go through our journey in their life where he decide, like, okay. Like, this happened to me, and I'm gonna decide on how I'm gonna react to it. I'm seeing a gun. Make me or break me. Yeah. So and then you do one and then do another one.
If we bring it back to to to the the faith based lots of just how it operates, you know, in in James, it says consider pure joy going through many trials, you know, because your your faith's being tested every single time, you know, you're building a muscle. You're building a muscle where more things to take on because things are gonna come in life. So you're you're that's just that's just how life works, man. It's it's tough for you to decide how how how you want it.
Yeah. It's so interesting that, you tied it back to to faith there because I was gonna do the same. And so but I'm I'm gonna do it in a slightly different way because I think that you did a good job there of of talking about being prepared for those trials. I think, I mean, first off James is a fant fantastic book probably, like, some of my favorite verses in the Bible, but we also have to know that that, you know, god rains on the just and the unjust alike.
And so if we're prepared for trials, meaning I I'm going to receive ups and downs in life. Not everything can be roses and, quote, unquote blessings. Right? Mhmm. But the other side of that is there are people who are extremely successful that have, you know, a bad moral compass or make bad choices on behalf of other people, well, how is that possible? And there are certain mindsets or principles or you know, determination, persistence.
Like, I could run down the list of, you know, success principles that they have probably exuded inside of life making bad decisions, you know, that hurt other people or whatever, but they've been quote unquote successful because of those principles. And so I think that it's both and, right, like, even on a faith level, We have to recognize that it's not gonna be handed to us. And on top of that, the things that are handed to us, sometimes are good, sometimes teach us things. Right? I agree.
100 100%. So it's it's really it's really up to you to decide how you're going to react to to that situation. You know? You're in the midst of, you know, normally, my last question is what if you could roll back the clock and and tell your younger entrepreneur yourself something, but you you are the younger entrepreneur itself right now. Like, currently, you're living that, like, 1st, like, in your business, which I just absolutely love, and you've just been so successful doing it.
But I guess my question to kinda tilt it a little bit here to end the show is what would you tell the listener that you didn't know, but that you know now Chaz you wish that you had known before you got started. Wolfe, everything's gonna be okay. It's not the end of the world. Like, everything's gonna be okay, man. Like, just put in the work, and you'll see the result. I think take care of your health. Yeah. No. Forget others. Love others down.
Don't take your eye off what why you're really doing this. And, you know, it's really in the beginning, it's very scary. Very scare. I the fear is real. The fear is just a liar. And I think for me, just learn how to manage that better because the stress is unreal, but she's not I believe in working hard. I worked very hard, but I did a poor job taking care of myself. So take take care of yourself, and your business will take take care of you.
Yeah. Yeah. You can't you can't pour from an empty cup as they say. Right? Make sure your cup is full even in the airport or in the airplanes. Right? You gotta put your mask on before you can help others. As entrepreneurs, we we get into the midst of serving and and working hard and and trying to help other people or clients or teammates. You know, even our own family. And you're right. We sometimes we Wolfe forget to take care of ourselves. And so I appreciate that message.
How can can the listener find you? Maybe they're in the contracting space. Maybe they wanna be in the contracting space. They're thinking about getting a bond. Maybe they have no idea what a bond is. They wanna learn. How can they find you? Yeah. So I'm very active on LinkedIn, and that the Kingdom page is kind of bonding. A company page, and they do a weekly newsletter only do this Wolfe called Igniting Construction Kingdoms.
So those are the three places you Chaz find me or kingandbonding.com or nav@kingandbonding.com. Love it. Good stuff, man. Well, I appreciate you being here, sharing your mindset, and your desire to to not only win in business, but to help other people, man. I think it's big. And I'm sure the conversation will continue as your success continues as well. Thanks for being here, brother. Of course. Thank you, Chaz, for having me. Thank you for listening to gathering the Kings today.
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