We have automated trading bots, which is basically taking all the stuff that I said we did. The bot literally buys the trade, sells them when it's time, if it's going against us, it'll stop and and take us out. We now have years of data. We have a win rate in the system of 87a half percent. Of it. We say we guarantee to get you to a 70% win rate or you don't pay, and we very rarely get refunds.
When you understand that money is just energy, This is really a hard one for people because we usually when we're thinking about money, it's tight. And I've been there, and it's so it's hard to just believe that could be this easy. But when you align your thoughts, your vibrations, your energy with what you want, it just comes you. What's up, everybody? Welcome back to Gathering the Kings podcast. I am your host. Chaz Wolfe. And today, I am honored to bring Dan Rawich to the King stage.
This guy is the absolute real deal. He's got 40 years of experience in the trading industry. Dan established the 4th largest mortgage credit reporting firm in the nation. Just a little bitty company called DataFax. Now Dan operates now as the founder of the University of Options where he runs the business with his daughters. He basically teaches live trading classes and has all other source of resources around trading and using AI to enable trading bots to make incredible returns.
In this episode, we cover these 3 things plus more, guaranteed returns, and what that really means. How ai bots really work and mind control and how money is a form of energy. Subscribe and follow if you haven't already, please like this video and comment down below if you agree that money is a form of energy. Grab your notebooks. Let's dive in. Dan, my man. Welcome to the King stage. For being here. How are you so much? Good. Good. Appreciate you having me. I've been looking forward to this.
You know, I appreciate that. You said just right before we hit the record, button Chaz, oftentimes, it's a, like, like, introverted. I gotta do a show, but you've got incredible knowledge that we are gonna you're gonna sift out of you here today. So I appreciate you being here and being willing to share. You've got a background that's a little different than 450 guests that we've had on this show.
And so, you know, the I just gave this incredible intro of of who you are and a little bit about what you coming to the table with, but I wanna know why have you landed here? Like, what's so important or what's so powerful in your mind about trading about, you know, moving money, like, just this vain of how you've done life in the last little bit and been successful at it. Why is that your thing. Like, why do you feel like you resonate with it so much?
So, you know, you and I brief briefly spoke about this. I think we do have the same sort of coach's heart. And it really feels good to make a difference in in people's lives. I know that gets overset and overused. Yeah. It is absolutely what drives me. And it drives me every day. So that's part of it. And then the other part is is why this let's see if I can shorten this story, but in 1978, Softborn college long time ago. Yeah. Well, before you were born.
Yeah. I I got a job as a loan officer in the mortgage industry. Chaz also is a long story because nobody wanted to hire me. I was nineteen years old. I tried fake glasses. I tried actually putting gray in my hair. Wow. That turned purple, though, because they had to bleach it try to make it great. So then you just look like a rock star. Exactly. So I finally found someone after 12 interviews that would Give me a shot. And just after I started, I asked her, where do we get our money?
Cause we're not a bank. I don't understand. Who who some rich guy owned the company? She said, no. We have a really giant line of credit, you know, in the tens of 1,000,000. And then when all you guys on the street make these loans, We pull them together, and then we sell them off on Wall Street.
Yeah. And they said, there's a guy that does what I do, but in the tens of millions, Chaz that just really sounded cool to me in New York and all that stuff, and it just became a massive goal for mine, for me. And so It came true. You know? It took took some work, but after college, I was recruited by Barrett Stearns, and I became a bond trader on Wall Street.
And even after 40 years, it's probably still the best job I ever had, but it was also terrible because if you watch Wolfe of Wall Street Oh, yeah. It's It's kinda true. Like, in the eighties, you know, the firm put us up in really great places for the 1st year or so till we could find a place and So there were other guys, you know, most of them graduated from really big Ivy League Schools and I didn't. But the these guys were snorting coke.
In the limo on the rate of the office pretty much every day. And, it just crude and rude and foul language. And I'm not acquired by a promise, but I I just none of it ever really resonated with me, but the job itself, I just loved. Yeah. What I mean, the there's so much in there first off, I worked for a sales organization, and I always felt like it was the the, like, minor version of of that movie.
And just like, you know, no. Things were really it was really that crazy in a sales environment, but even more so, I'm sure on Wall Street, when things like that were actually happening, I'm curious. In that little brief that you gave me, it's 1978 and you're nineteen years old or right right about there in And you have to interview multiple times to get this to get this deal. I remember being nineteen and being told that nobody buys life insurance from a nineteen year old. And I Awesome.
Shake your hand, and I'm gonna go sell a bunch of life insurance. And Similar. So, yeah, what what was in that for you? Like, What was the burn? And, like, no, I'm gonna I'm gonna do this. I'm not gonna accept no as an answer to this interview. I'm gonna go get another one and another one until you were able to achieve it. What what will push you? So so the first half of that is coincidence fate, whatever you wanna call it, which kinda don't believe in.
But my sister, my older sister who who, at that time, was my hero, she came home one time in a really fancy sports car. She and I were roommates. When I was in college. She didn't go to college. And I'm like, how did you get this car? Because she was a bank teller. So she explained to me that they moved her into the loan department and that she got commissions every time that she made a loan. And I was like, you are actually getting paid for giving people money. That's that's amazing.
And it just really hit me. So the first place I went to was her boss. And he said, I really like you. I feel like you could do this. I just can't get through your age. You you said, I know you're nineteen, but you look like you're fifteen. Yeah. And so and that was true. So I I just I just wanted to do it. I wanted a nice car like her. And I didn't wanna work at Burger King where honestly a lot of my friends work, and there's nothing wrong with that. I promise.
I just You wanna didn't wanna do it. So just kept going and going and going. And I think everywhere along the way, even the interviewers that turned me down said something that was encouraging. And, you know, me being an optimist, I just kept locking into the good part. Yeah. Well, I think that that you're right. The optimist holds on to any last little thread. Right? It's like Yeah. You know, this is truth. He said this about me, so I'm gonna I'm gonna keep rolling.
Yeah. Yeah. Well, the kinda fast forward, and you you said you have a coach's heart. Now you people not only just make money, but but you give them structure in those courses and all kinds of stuff that you guys are are are doing, but you have this tagline that I wanna dive right into, which is basically a guaranteed way to make returns, how to invest in 2024 and make guaranteed returns. And with this looming, you know, economy transition, there's all there's doom and gloom. There's optimism.
There's all this stuff happening in the news and on TikTok. What what says you about guaranteed returns in 2024? Give us this constructor. Yeah. Okay. So I I won't give all the disclaimers, but I should just when talking about guarantee returns, all that stuff. Yeah. So just go in. So there's 2 things we do. 1 is we teach people how to trade options, stock options, and put this in perspective, for the first time in history, there are more options traded than actual shares of stock.
Wow. It's never happened before. So it has a lot to do with the whole 2020 Wall Street bet guys. You know, they they they just kinda came in and and they did change the industry. So we teach people how to do that. It's, to me, it's not difficult. What I tell people the learning curve is steep, but it's short. It's like climbing your driveway, not climbing a mountain. Because people really especially when you get older, you you do feel this overwhelmed sense when you have to learn something new.
Because we've most of us have forgotten how to learn. So that's where it starts. A really extensive course. And then the saying in our organization is slow Chaz fast because any every time we've had somebody come into the program with with too much ego, too much whatever day struggle. And so I realized this is like the tortoise and the hare. I don't know if that was a story when you were a kid. Oh, yeah. But So, you know, the tortoise always wins every time because the rabbit's cocky.
He's overconfident. He doesn't prep. He doesn't take it seriously enough. And so we tell people to start really slow paper trade, show me your result or show one of our traders or results before you start trading your money. And we always here to have these guys say, I've got whatever money. I don't need to do that. I said, you do need to do that. You'll just blow up bigger than the guy that has less. Yeah. So that that's made a huge difference. And then we tell people don't gear up.
Don't raise the amount that you're trading unless it's with the house's money. Don't care up with your own capital. It's just foolish. If you're not making enough money to gear up your trading activities, you're not ready to be gearing up. So we're really confident about our system, and we I developed an indicator called Flight Station, which in some ways is my life's work. It's a long story, and it was almost like, like, if you ask me how I did it, I I don't know.
I it was years years of just trial and error and just believing that there was something that could really help. Yeah. And and I remember one day our our developer said What if you did this? And he explained something. I was like, that's really smart. Let's do that. And and he did Chaz. And it was way better than anything we'd seen. And I said, let's do it this way now.
And then all of a sudden, we looked at the Chaz, and we looked at the indicators and every time just before the price went up, the indicator said buy. And every time before the price went down, the indicator said sell. And, you know, we now have years of data. We have a win rate in the system of 87a half percent. I love it. If you if you see saw our ads, we say we guarantee to get you to a 70% win rate or you don't pay, and we very rarely give refunds.
Usually, it's because somebody didn't apply themselves. Yeah. So that's that. And then the other half of the business is we have automate automated trading bots, which is basically taking all the stuff that I said we did and automating the code, creating an algorithm around it, and then and then telling the bot to to trade. When you see this happen, go in and execute the trade. The bot literally buys the trade, sells them when it's time. If it's going against us, it'll stop and and take us out.
So that we have years years of data. Again, the SCC doesn't really let us say guaranteed or does FINRA, but but the fact is we will guarantee that you'll have this result, or you won't pay. I had a guy. He's a real good member. He's one of our options trading members, and he bought 2 bots when we rolled out. And he sent me this note yesterday, and he's and he said things just got crazy in my life. I haven't really had time to use the bots. I never set an appointment to to use them.
And I don't know. Is this something you could buy back? Is this something and I was so impressed that it did just come say, I want a refund. It didn't work. Because most people will fib their way through it, not most a lot. Yeah. And so I said if you're not using it, then it's the way I look at it. You the guarantee applies to you. You didn't get the result. It's your fault, but still, so we refunded him. Well, that's just integrity. I appreciate you sharing that.
I think that most people actually at least business owners that I'm in contact with, high level thinkers actually do this very same thing that you're talking about. And because because at the end of the day, a negative ripple it is not worth it. And so I I appreciate your your perspective on that. The AI piece here, I mean, you you opened up the Chaz, so let's let's Let's just take a further dive into that.
I mean, you've been, you know, creating ways to collect data and and try back charts and all this stuff that you've been collecting, and then you put it into automations. And then here comes ai, and which is like Mhmm. Automations on steroids and you're building bots or agents that can do things things on on your behalf now where a human connectivity is is this much needed, obviously, high level still needed, but but less.
Talk about how this is revolutionized, the industry for you or for for your people that are trading. Yeah. So so one thing a lot of people don't realize is there's really 2 fundamental types of AI. One of them is really just an algorithm, you know, write the code, have it do this. AIs made that easier. It's it's really relieved a lot of the coding needs. I'm sure you know this Chaz, GBT, I could literally say Chaz long as you know the prompts, and I argue with her all the time.
She's a she's a girl. So the I I she'll say, I can't as a language race AI, I cannot do this. And I was like, okay. Just pretend you're not a language based AI. Pretend you're actually a trader. Oh, well, if I were a trader, I would do it this way. Yep. And you have to just keep feeding her the information. I'm sure a lot of people know that, but that's that's more the more simple part of AI that's made the creation easier. Yeah. And then you have narrow networks. And these are this is AI.
This is, like, terminator stuff. A narrow network can think and get smarter. So if it makes a bad trading decision, it learns from it. And there's millions of different nuances that a human mind could I don't think a human mind could ever really conceive all this. And for AI, it's just, you know, it's an everyday thing. I won't do that again, but it's not just saying I failed. It's saying I failed and is going back and finding thousands of data points to why it failed.
Yeah. So Neural Networks are are really fascinating, for me. And they're not new. When I was running TriNet, we talked about that. We developed a fair amount of technology. And I remember this was, like, 1998, maybe. This really fascinating guy from Germany. English was a little rough, but he he was just a brilliant guy MIT graduated, and he told us that at these really sophisticated experimental places.
This is bizarre, but back then, they had created these silicon chips that could swim and create themselves. So they were actually having chips create chips 30 years ago. And and Chaz goes just to crazy places, but we ended up being on Fannie Mae, which most people know with Fannie Mae as I would think, but their technology council and we helped develop the very first version, which was which is desktop underwriter.
We had a virtual server going into Fannie Mae And that is the first time I really said, woah. Because now you take an underwriting system that learn from its mistakes. So if a loan, it you've keep feeding the data. If 2 years from now, that loan goes bad, it registers that. It goes back to see how how this have been fixed, and it's gotten smarter and smarter over the years. Yeah. I mean, you have this idea.
I had a guy on the show probably maybe 2 or 3 months ago, and he was talking they build AI agents, and this is the technology that's here. He was like, this is not coming. It's here. And in in essence, what you're describing is that rather than having a human be able to, you know, of course, learn and and grow and be better, the AI just is light years ahead because it can categorize and catalog all the past mistakes and then make better and better decisions at a faster rate.
And then eventually, as you already said, those agents then learn how to build other agents. And it's a multiplication factor of, like, uh-oh, you know, I think you can kinda get a little doom and gloom and a little scared there, but Well, yeah, you should. It's kinda scary. Yeah. When you really dissect that, also means a big opportunity because things are things are headed that way. So we can't be scared to put our head in the sand, but at the same time, yeah, like, what does that really mean?
Okay. So for the for the trader who's or listening right now, if someone who's maybe dabbled, maybe no trading experience whatsoever, what's their takeaway from AI and and maybe possibly working with a company like yours? Like, how is it affecting? It's obviously making it more efficient is making it easier to make good decisions? Like, what's their, like, their takeaway here on this?
You know, I think the average person, believe it or not, doesn't come into our program talking about AI thinking about AI. You know, they've heard something about it You're skeptical when you say, well, we our bots use AI to to trade. It's a little much for for people to grasp. I mean, that's why, again, I I'm not selling. I promise it. But we say, look, just dry it. Just Use the bot for 30, 60, 90 days. We'll even hook it up to a demo account.
So you have no risk of buying the bot, and you have no risk of using the bot. And just get to know it. You'll realize that it has a personality, and and it'll work for you. Yeah. I love everything that you just said because it makes it real. I've been in and out, not necessarily of trading like you do, but the crypto space in the last 5 years. And there's bots. Right? And it's like Yeah. Anytime that that came up in a conversation, I was like, skirt. Run the other way.
Not because of the technology, but because of just most likely the person that was yeah. Exactly. So Yeah. And just unbelievable returns. And it doesn't mean that the technology's not there. Obviously, you're saying that it is, which I've known. It's the who's handling it and where did it come and that type of a thing. So I love everything. I'm pointing this out for the listeners at, what you just heard Dan say is not only demo account and try it out and see how it works, but it's it is real.
So go go go take a look here. I think this is incredible. Just to your point. Sorry. On on the old crypto space, I I would say bots probably were born in the crypto space. The crisp crypto space brought so much intellect Unfortunately, with it came the hype and the snake oil and all that stuff. Yeah. But but if you look beneath that, the technology and and some of the systems that came from crypto, I think Wolfe change the whole trading world. Yeah. No. I agree.
And I think that you're on the cutting edge of that, obviously, in your space. The reality of it is is that it's gonna it's gonna change all industries eventually. What do you think in this, like, looking back, you've had just Uber success. We haven't even gone really into your your your backdrop. You kinda mentioned some previous companies that you'd sold and stuff like that.
But what do you think looking back in your history is this sticking point of, like, when I did this, it was like, ugh, bad moment, but maybe it was like a a hinge for the rest of your success, but What's that moment you stick out? You're just like, if I hadn't done this. Yeah. So I had this crazy, great, unusual experience Wolfe in college, while trying to get that job, as a loan officer, I belong to the college's marketing club.
And I kinda rose to an executive level within the college marketing club. And Jim Rowan came and spoke to us And he said something during his speech. She said, and I'm right. And I told you earlier, I am fundamentally there over. This was big for me. So Jim said Wolfe he was speaking that poor people should buy rich people dinner.
You know, instead of looking for a handout, you know, take somebody that's wealthy to dinner, watch how they shake hands, watch how they look you in your eyes, ask him questions, and you'll get more from that than anything. And so after he's finished his speech, I remember thinking, you know, you could do this do this and he was, like, packing up his stuff and everything. And he was famous, but nothing like, you know, he he he was in the end.
And I said, you know, you mentioned that four people should, you know, and and he goes, oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And he goes, are you asking me to lunch? And I said, yeah. And he said, in all the years I've done this, no one's ever come up and done what you've just did. Yeah. And so I I went to work for him, and I worked for him for the Wolfe, whatever it was, maybe 8 or 10 months while I was trying to get that loan officer job.
And I learn more from that guy than than than any other person could ever teach me. And One of the things that Jim said and and you know, I think a lot of people have heard him say this. You said it directly to me that he said, let's talk about your library. Let's talk about, you know, what's in your library, and you have to pinky swear to me that you'll read for 30 minutes every night. Until you reach, you know, the the highest possible pinnacle. And I said, okay.
And he said, start with think and grow rich. Which, you know, is a classic and, psychosybonetics, which was just really coming out. And he spoke a lot about Silva Mind Control, Jose Silva. I don't know if you guys have talked about that much on your show, but one thing I just have to say, I recently gave a speech in Vegas. And, I did some research because I'm really big on civil mind control. I I have stories that will blow people's mind, but I just lose my train of thought. It's okay.
You're in Vegas? Yep. So I I I just researched for the talk. Thank you for Chaz. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No worries. I really wasn't sure where I was gonna take this. And in researching, I stark seeing these headlines of a woman named Helen Hadsole who was connected to Jose Silva, ultimately her bookkeeper, and she won the lottery over two thousand times. She won every contest. She she ever entered she want a house for her family. It got to the point where she would say to her children, okay.
Who's next? What do you want? I want a pink bike. And she would just look at for a contest that maybe had a bike or something. And that all came down to actually Silva mind control. You know, the CIA uses this technology, and it's unbelievably easy to to put to use in your in your life. But those two books that Jim Rowan told me to read put me on that whole path of of Silva mind control. So I had a huge, huge advantage there.
I one other small, no, not small, big advantage I had, but small in comparison. My dad was a classic entrepreneur, and but he taught me how to fail. More than he taught me how to succeed. And he was just, like, I remember one day we were living it. In my mind, it was like a mansion. I'm sure it wasn't. It was probably just a big house. And my dad had this big daddy hoss Cadillac Eldorado turquoise with white leather, convertible white top. And, man, the kids, we'd love that car.
And one day, he came home in this old rambler, honest to god, it was dragging 1 the tail pipe. And he I said, dad, where's the Cadillac? And he's like, never mind. We're moving. We are. In the next day, we moved from that house, which many years later found out it was foreclosed on. And he said we're moving to the desert. And we moved to this small town of Lancaster, which was pretty rough.
And we lived in this very small, maybe thousand square foot home And I say that small, there were 3 of us coming out of a much bigger home. And within 3 years, my dad was mayor of the town. Open the very 1st McDonald's, own the biggest real estate firm in the town, and own the drive in, But then he he was he was best friends with Don Amos, you know, the famous disc jockey, and Don was the DJ of this little tiny radio station in Lancaster called KUTY. He was a nut.
I mean, I'm not surprised he went on to be who he was. He got fired from every job he ever had because he just couldn't contain himself, but they they got in a match fight They they they burned down the drive in theater. Cool. Because it had this big snack bar kind of thing. Yeah. And then some other stuff happened. You know, he may have been an herbal pioneer. So next thing I know, we're moving we're moving to Northern California.
Wow. And he took a job literally just selling insurance and same story. Just over the years, just bigger and bigger and bigger. So he never seemed to chair if he failed. I I wish I had that. I have failed more than once, but it It hurts. It hurt my heart. I remember one time literally is going to the bathroom and just crying. Like like, oh my god. What have I done with my kids? But then when I look back, every time anything like that's happened, I've just catapulted.
I think Tony Robbins said, bottom's a great springboard. And it really is. You're not gonna spring up huge from the middle. It's usually from from the bottom. So Jim Roan and and just watching my dad. Those were huge, huge things for me. Hey, Kings and Queens. Chaz Wolf. I wanna talk to you about something that's super important to me. We put a lot time and effort, we meeting myself and my team into this podcast, into the content that goes out every single day.
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Together, we are building a community of like minded entrepreneurs who are committed to growing their business to new heights. So let's do this. Let's have each other grow. Yeah. I think that you just gave so much information that I could interview for the next 3 hours. And between Jim and between, you know, the mind control, your dad. It sounds like he was an interesting fellow for sure. What do you think, you know, the as I mean, because you didn't go in any of those directions.
I mean, kind of, but but different. You you went, you know, Wall Street and and finance and now trading and Did did that, like, the entrepreneurial journey that you said that your dad was on this, like, fail, achieve bigger, fail, achieve bigger, Is that what pushed you there, or was it more of just kinda what you said at the beginning of just wanting the nice car and just figuring out how to sell loans and and do the thing? Like, how do you think you ended up is my question.
So the the books had a lot to do with it. The the books make you realize that almost anything is possible. And this is maybe a little loo out there. You can choose to edit it or not, but there are things we cannot see we can understand. Energy is in everything. Every single thing we know is built on energy. And energy absolutely has a vibration It's always going somewhere. It's it's the protons and neutrons, you know, coming back and forth to what another.
And I could look inside of a rock and it would look just like the the an egg corn Chaz was gonna be a mighty oak tree. And when you understand that money is just energy, this is really a hard one for people. Because we usually, when we're thinking about money, it's tight. And I've been there, and it's so it's hard to just believe that it could be this easy, but when you align your thoughts, your vibrations, your energy with what you want, it's it's just gonna It just comes to you.
It it was almost effortlessly. I used to think when I was a kid, and I wrote a book and I talked about this in my book. That one of the reasons I went from rags to riches is I felt like god had something to do was whether I succeeded or not. And I decided that every time I got too much money Chaz maybe I got greedy, and so god would say And then I thought that only good people could succeed. And then at a young age, I had a business partner who was an absolute Horrible guy.
We were partners for a long time, and I watched him, and he he developed Wolfe. Ten times anything I've ever done, and he really is a schmuck. And I realized it has nothing to do with being a good or good or bad person. As much as I hate to say that, You wanna believe that, but it's not. It's just that Rob was 100% tuned in to money. And everything he did, it just it just came to him. Yeah. So when you can get your mind around that one, it's amazing how fast things will go.
And that those things come from zinc and grow rich Silva Mind Control And Psycho Cybernetics. All those books talk about it. Yeah. I love I love that. I'm a I'm a deep student of thinking grow rich. And and further books as Wolfe, but you're right. It's so funny this conversation because I I also am a man of faith, but the the the the rub where, you know, the opportunity came because I was good or because I followed the rules or because I received a blessing.
And it's like, well, actually, I can find, like you said, not righteous people winning, like, Big. And and, actually, there's there's scripture that talks about how he reigns on the just and the unjust alike. And so if we know that to be true, Wolfe, what is it then? And to your point, it's the v 2 NIN. I like to say that I'm I'm not the creator, but he made me in his image to create And and so if I understand frequency, like, you're talking about, look. Let's create.
And and and if I'm waiting for someone else to create, To your point, nothing comes to me. Right? Would you agree with that? Oh, a 100%. I, you know, I love Chaz. And, you know, I don't wanna maybe overdo the religious path, but I think you and I a lot in common there. Yeah. We were put here to create So he could watch us base to simplify it. Like, it it's go down goal. You know? And so instead of thinking like, oh, he's gonna get mad at me because I want too much. It's more like, oh my god.
He's my biggest cheerleader. So so, you know, I I wanna do this for him and for me. Yeah. But just to be clear, and I know you're okay with this, you don't have to be religious. You don't have to believe in god or anything. I hate to say this. But you can win really big, lining your energy with money. Yeah. No one's gonna take it away from you. Yeah. Exactly. I think that the the piece there that you're talking about as far as him being your biggest cheerleader is the father's heart.
So now we can go actually back into religion a little bit or at least what I call relationship, not not so much re religion, but if I have a son, I have daughters too, but when my four year old son shoot I mean, he's been shooting his bow for about a year, which is kinda crazy when you think about it, but he he goes outside and he's shooting his bow. And when he hits that target spot right on him, like, Yeah. Dude, that's my man. And I'm just so proud of him.
And I'm and I'm proud of my daughters. When they create new things, my oldest is such a creator. She like, forms things out of art. It's just incredible. And I'm not, like, in there telling her, no. Don't do this. Don't, you know, I'm not controlling any of it. I'm just watching her create this thing out of cardboard. And my mind is blown. I'm like, wow. You that is beautiful. You're beautiful. And this whole thing is incredible.
And so I think that's the perspective that you and I are trying to portray here. It's like, no, actually. That's the part that we get to partake in as like a like a, you know, I guess the glory of it. Right? Cause because the other is gonna happen no matter what, regardless of our our faith beliefs. It's more of a belief in this is how things work because this is how things are actually designed in in the earth, you know, with frequency, with proton, futon. Like, this This is just facts.
You know? Right. Why why do you think most people because it is facts. It I mean, you wanna say science Chaz, I mean, whatever. These are real things that we're talking about. It's happened in my life. It's happened in yours. And I've I talk to people about this all the time, and I sound like you do as well. What do you think is hard for the listener right now for them to go, okay. I'm gonna go all in on mind control or think and grow rich or aligning my mind with how frequency works.
What what's the hardest part for them to be able to grasp onto? So a lot of people I'd say probably most people live hand to mouth. You know, I I I've I've been there. I have, 3 millennial kids. And I watch how tough it is for them. You know, I try to help Chaz as much as I can, but my oldest daughter said to me one time, dad, I love everything you've ever done for me. You've made my life. So easy, but you forgot to teach me how to hunt.
And I'm scared every day because you'll be gone someday, and I don't know how to hunt for myself. So so I just wanted to get that out there. I'd love that you're encouraging your kids that way because you're you'll create something much greater than you, which is the ideal. I, on the other hand, my dad always told me nothing comes easy. Nice guys finish last, and then I used to say, yeah, I'm gonna I'm gonna be rich. I said Chaz was a kid. He goes, really, what are you gonna do?
And he's like, well, you're delusional. And it turns out that that was the biggest compliment he ever gave me. You know, being delusional is a powerful thing. I don't think anything would get invented if you didn't have somebody delusional buying the invention. So so thanks for that debt. But I think because people are hand to mouth, they it's really hard to think spiritually. It's really hard to think about money being energy.
It's Yeah. Plus you've been told your whole life that that's a bunch of, you know, just mumbo jumbo. Don't believe it. And just a quick example So recently, one of our members came to me, and I really barely know this guy. I mean, I know most of their names just because we live trade with our members. So I see them in the trading room and we chat and stuff.
And this guy asked me to borrow a fairly large sum of money and he told me that, you know, he was about to lose everything and be homeless and it was really sad. And so I started talking to him about the stuff we and I are talking about just being stupid at that time, and he actually said to me very politely, Can we talk about this stuff later? Because I can't understand a word you're saying. I just need to know if you're gonna owe me the money.
And I unfortunately, I think that that defines a lot of people, but once you could let go of that, it's amazing. It it really is. Yeah. That that block, right, is that I can't quite get to where you are because my apparent need is so big, right, right here in front of my nose, which even that is a limiting belief. Like, that need, yes, he was maybe gonna lose everything, but But as you said earlier, maybe that was the spring the bottom springboard that he needed. Yeah. Could've helped him out.
I I really do. Yeah. Yeah. Well, you had mentioned there with you chatting with your your your daughters. I know your daughters are in your business, and so I wanna talk about the dynamic here of working with them, but also obviously, you're teaching them how to hunt now if they're in the business, but talk about this dynamic of maybe how it was and then how it is now. If you're teaching them how to hunt, how it is in business with your daughters, like, Just give us a little peek.
What that what's that look like? Oh, yeah. That that's one of the my my greatest joys of the business is my youngest daughter So my youngest daughter is the daughter of of mine and my wife's, and we've been married forever. She's 25 now. And so she's had full unfiltered me and my wife has exactly the same beliefs. So there's almost no way she wasn't going to do something well. Yeah. The other daughter that's in the business really struggles with these limiting beliefs but she knows it.
She's constantly saying, dad, give me something else to listen to. I I feel I still feel blocked. I so she doesn't talk anymore about her struggles. What she knew or didn't know. She knows that she needs to just get this energy clear. Yep. But my younger daughter lives on my property We have, you know, a fair amount of acreage, and we have a guest house who are up in the trees, and she lives in that. And so we have dinner together almost every single day.
And some people would say this isn't a good thing, but our dinners are literally just company meetings. Yeah. And So because we both love the business. It's fun, and my wife loves to contribute just by listening. So it's it's it's So special. I I can't even tell you. I mean, every single day, I get to, you know, connect with her and talk about things. And she's turned out to She never knew anything about Facebook ads. She never knew anything about managing social media, anything.
And I just sort of threw her into this and where she's gone with this. She'll have an appreciation for this, but she'll say, dad, we gotta go to the recruiting studio because I don't like how this sounded. Or I'm worried about the statement because Chaz you said, the FTC is starting to crack down. We gotta make careful. Yeah. We have to drive all the way to Sacramento, which is 2 a half hour drive to the nearest studio.
And everything's organized, the scripts, and and I'm talking, and she's I'm looking, and she's like, she's twenty five years old, you know, and she's completely driving me and and all of our advertising. So, yeah, it it it's it's amazing. And I feel like now my older daughter is getting more and more, entrenched in in these, easier beliefs. Yeah. Do you think?
I mean, because, obviously, you've got a kinda two tails here of of your daughters, which I think is just a beautiful picture that you've given for both, actually. For the listener, What is the the road map, especially for ones that have young kids? What's the road map for this level of integration? Maybe they're not 25 and working in the listeners business right now.
But maybe they're like mine where I've got little kids, but I want them maybe one day to be in the business or to do their own thing, whatever works, but the mind integration is what I'm talking about. How did how did you do that piece of it with your both daughters, actually? Yeah. So, Ashley, my oldest said those words that I didn't teach her to hunt Wolfe Audrey, my youngest, was was very small, like 3 or 4.
And and it made me realize that I resented my dad because he he never really gave us much other than knowledge. In fact, I remember at six years old, he bought me a bike. Now it was a cool bike. It's called a Veroom. And when when you drove it, it sounded like a motorcycle. And it looked like a motorcycle. And my dad said take care of it because the last one you're ever gonna get. Wow. Well, that's a tough thing to say to a six year old. You know? So that drove me to selling greeting cards.
Door to door when I was eight years old. Wow. And I didn't win one bike. I won 2 bikes, and then I won a trip to Disneyland. And I ended up bringing my dad into that business based as, like, a crew manager. Yeah. So don't take don't feel like you gotta make things so easy for your kids. Because maybe your dad didn't make it easier for you. I'm convinced I wouldn't be where I was right now if my dad wasn't a tightwad. I I just know it.
And yet I wanted to take all that struggle away from my daughters. Why? Now now they can't be who I am because they're was was maybe a little too easy. Yeah. And Audrey, the youngest, has watched all this happen, you know, and just said that I'm not gonna go in that direction. But a couple things that I learned. One is in my my one of my daughter said this. Because like you, your your daughters are beautiful.
They're like, you can't even imagine how How did you get the very best that I have and that your mom has? It's amazing, but my middle daughter said dad don't tell logic. She's beautiful every day. Tell her tell her her mind is beautiful. Tell her what she did was like you said, when she's creating with place, that's amazing because looks can go away. Something could happen. Maybe I could get fat. And and I'm feeling beautiful, and yet you've told me I'm beautiful.
So just don't make it about looks. And that that was hard for me because they told me every day you guys are so gorgeous. And I still say it, but but I make sure that I give a lot more of the other side. That, it's like, you know, the actual building blocks of a human. Right?
And the this scenario of how do we, as successful entrepreneurs, I've had this conversation with many, many other people, but how do we take the circumstances that made us who we are, and naturally, our kid's life is not gonna be like ours. I mean, I grew up single mom family. So the fact that I'm in my kid's life makes it different. Right? Yeah. And so, okay, what does that mean for for their outcome.
How do I help them be the best version of themselves by simulating of these hard things that I had to go through, but without having them actually to go through it. And so I appreciate you sharing that. What do you think what do you think they would Give me give me both daughters. Like, if they were both right here on the pod and and I would just say, hey. What's your thought on what you've been through And maybe what you're after now, what would their response be?
I think pretty much what what Ashley already told me is I love you so much. You made my life so easy growing up. And now I don't know how to hunt. You know, we've helped her more than she ever wanted to ask for help, and she's not an entitled kid. She's it's hard for to ask for anything. Usually, it's myself or my wife. We'll notice, like, we saw on Facebook, or selling some some flooring that they didn't use.
And the the little things like that, you're like, I think I think maybe things are tight, because her husband didn't work outside, he he Chaz a business where it's a cement pump. And when the weather's bad, it's tough. So we know this. And so I'll come up with things because I can't just offer her money anymore. She won't take it. She just won't. She goes, dad, if you saw the list of of of loans you've given me, it's it's overwhelming. So but we'll figure out something.
Like, And the social media piece of the business is really getting neglected. We're just too busy. So I'll call her up and I'll say, and she said, do you really need this? Or are you just giving it to me? Like, if I didn't say yes, would you be hiring somebody? I swear I'd be hiring somebody. That's what it takes, you know, now to help her and give her money. And she came up with that by herself. Yeah. And I can't fool her.
I can't just say, yeah, we need this, you know, done she she would say, no. You don't. Yeah. Well, and and I think the beauty of Chaz, to your point, is that she she wants to earn it for herself. Which is which is honorable. I think. Yeah. So they did something right. Yeah. Yeah. Of course. I mean, she's saying, don't rob me of this. Right? Which we we do that with a silver spoon. What do you think your younger would say?
Well, she's pretty much said this through her life is I love my sisters so much that You wouldn't know they're from different moms. They're they're just one family, but but the age difference between the youngest and the oldest is, like, 15 years. But they're still like that. And she would say I love my sisters. I wish I you know, little things like a little I wish I was beautiful. I wish I was smart, but I don't wanna be like them, dad. I I I don't want you to give me things.
I don't want you to do things And I don't know if this is good or bad, and maybe some parents will hate me for this, but one of the mistakes that I believe was this absolute insistence that they would go to college. And I'm not sure that helped them. I if I coulda handed them each the 100 or $120,000 and showed them how to invest it, Yep. They it would be amazing, but instead I just had this bleep that kids go to college.
And some of it was just that time, you know, and over the years, that's changed. And Audrey said, would you be upset if I don't go to college? Cause I think I could learn more just watching you and following you and I said, I'm whatever you want and fine with that. So it it put her way ahead. And so, basically, in a polite way, she wanted to do everything that they didn't do. She wanted to do everything different.
Yeah. Which is which is cool to be able to say because you kinda already said like you did it four year older. And now she's realizing like, oh, no. Like, bummer, but it's not too late. I mean, jeez. There's so much life still to live and she can and her husband can go 60. Yeah. Yeah. So much life. So well, that's that's incredible. Okay, last little piece here. We're gonna roll back the clock. And we're talking to the younger Dan.
I'm not sure how old he is, but in your mind, you've got a picture. Is he good looking? He's he's he's fantastic looking, very similar to to this Dan that I'm looking at. Now I know you're lying. Okay. Go ahead. Yeah. Yeah. But you tap him on his shoulder and you whisper in his ear. What do you tell him? I don't have to tell him don't give up because he he's not a quitter, but what I do have to tell him is don't lose face.
No matter what's going on in your life, do not lose faith because something great's gonna come up with this. And when you tell someone that's going through a tough time that don't worry. You're gonna throw out the spine. They don't can't hear it. They don't believe it. They they don't even wanna hear it, but the fact is it is 100% accurate. If you trust in this stuff that we're talking about, you're always gonna come come through it.
And just a quick story there, I think it was 2009, maybe, right after the meltdown. The things were really tough, and we lost a lot. We were heavily invested in in real estate projects in Mexico, and they say when California gets a cold, Mexico gets pneumonia, and she and I were walking. We wouldn't live in this neighborhood. There's a beautiful neighborhood called Corona Delmar, which is part of Newport Beach. Which is just so quaint and beautiful.
And you're walking down the street, and I said, you know, it's a shame. We'll never live in a place like this. This is the first time she really, really got mad at me. Like, she was visibly angry. And she's like, how can you say that? Chaz goes against everything you've ever taught everything you believed. What Chaz I help? And so 4 years later, we were living in that neighborhood, not quite that street, but two streets over.
And I if you asked me during that time, when I'm literally thinking about, you know, hand to mouth, that I would be living in a neighborhood like that just a few years, I would not have believed you. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I like to say everything you want, can be found in another another person, our relationship. And, that's probably, true in your life as well. Okay. Well, the listener is anxious, to connect with you.
You obviously have a mind that's out of this Wolfe, but also they might be in trading. They might be interested in maybe joining your program and figuring out how they can put money to work. How can they find you? So I think the best way is just right through my email, dan@universityofoptions.com. You know, we have people that help me there. We have AI that helps me But when I see something like this, like, I heard I heard you on the king's pod, I'm gonna answer you. I promise.
I'm gonna wanna know you and know your story and know how you got here. That's the best way. I actually love to see those messages. That's awesome. Well, you heard them straight from the from the mouth there. Find the information in the show notes and connect with Dan, and he'll take extra care of you because you're, listening here to Gavin the Kings.
Dan, you are someone that that I wanna get to know, and I hope the listeners do as well, but you've got just a wealth of knowledge, and I appreciate your time. And just sharing of all those experiences, blessings to you, your family, your business, everything you put in your hands to. All those people that you're helping too. Thanks for being Thank you for listening to Gathering the Kings today. I hope that you were able to pull out a few nuggets to go apply into your business right away.
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