On today's episode of Gathering the Kings. My suggestion is to take a minute, especially those hustlers, because I feel like when you're so focused on it, your vision dies away, you just you stop losing that focus. Everything becomes foggy. You are listening to Gathering the Kings with Chaz Wolfe featuring fellow 7, 8, and even 9 figure business owners who have real battle scars from business and life. But have prevailed as the king that they are designed to be.
We welcome high performing entrepreneurs to the stage in order to reveal the reel of the reel. On what it takes to build a successful business today. We dissect the good and bad decisions they've made along the way Chaz give a true and accurate picture of the journey of success and how you too can get there. Through this dialogue, you will learn the value of growing your network and surrounding yourself with power players and Kings, like today's guest.
Grab your pen and notebook because we're about to dive in. Gathering the king's nation. I'm Chaz Wolfe. I'm back at you this week with an entrepreneur who is just out of his mother's womb. I'm just kidding. But this dude is young. Started his business in the teenage years and is at the 7 figure mark and just a young twenty year old guy crushing it.
I'm telling you right now, if you think that you know what you're doing and you're older than 25, I'd put your ego aside and I'd grab that pin and that notebook and I'd start taking notes from my guest, Paul Cholan. Alright, everybody. Chaz Wolfe. I'm your host gathering the Kings. I've got Paul Scho Lock on the stage today. King stage, welcome to the stage, my brother. How you doing? I'm doing fantastic. It's a beautiful day warm out here, and I'm just excited to be here.
Perfect day for a podcast, man. Right? Yep. Yep. That's the way we go. That's right. Okay, dude. So, before we get rolling here, tell everybody what kind of business you have. So, VK custom kitchens, we do, custom cabinets and countertops. So you know, started it when I was about 15. Started with my dad. So, yeah, custom millwork, in other words, you know, do commercial and residential. You know, we do a little bit of other stuff.
Like, you know, we're doing actually a house right now in Hilton Ed. It's an island in South Carolina. We got some bunk beds, and stuff like that. So Okay. Very creative. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So mow mostly, cabinets, millwork, woodworking, carpentry. Yep. And and and not to pass over too quickly because you said you You started this business with your dad when you were fifteen. That's nuts. How old are you now?
I'm 23. Twenty three years old, you're in a a business that's doing over 7 figures in revenue, just absolutely incredible. I'm so thankful that you're here because even myself. Like, I'm I'm ten years older than you now, but, man, I was 24 buying my 1st franchise and people thought I was nuts. They thought I was just a kid. And, I'd love the perspective of having that that youth chip on my shoulder of, like, watch. Watch me do what I can do. You know what I mean?
You do you feel like you carry that a little bit? Yeah. Yes. I do. I think I was when I just stepped into the game at some point, I was a little scared. You know, what are people gonna think? And and I had times when people did that, but I'm like, why am I supposed to go under people's definition if I'm just me, myself, and I can actually present that to the next generation or to the people that are next to me, you know, that are also scared probably. You know? I can help them on the show.
Hey. You what you got is is strong and unique. You know? Totally. I just love the angle that and and it ends happening more, I would say, in today's business world, really just in the world in general. But in business today, age doesn't really matter. It's it's all about results. And so the fact that you're 23 or if you were still 15 doesn't really matter to me. The fact that you're on the stage here today as a 7 figure plus owner tells me everything that I need to know.
I know that you've done certain things in business that many, many people haven't yet, and that's why you're here to share it. So I I just love the angle of, letting results be the determining factor not age or anything historic or any sort of, like, old thinking. You know what I mean? Right. You're in the business and you're and you're you're obviously crushing continually still, but before we jump into, like, how you got there, why do you continue to push?
Like, why are you exploring new options with, like, the furniture and the custom furniture and and doing other things. Like, I mean, you've been in business now for almost a decade, which is crazy to think at 23, but, like, why are you pushing at this level? You've you've achieved so much. Why the push even now? I think it's the hurt past of the low ground. You know? Where my family came from, you know, when there was times, like, I was literally today, yesterday, actually.
I remember the moment where my brother and I, we had we had a suburban, and we were we had we were cleaning it, and we stuck under the where the cup holder is. There was, like, this little mat And we stuck $14 under there. You know, we're like, maybe one day we'll need it. And there was this one time where we were just broke, like, extremely broken. My dad was looking for jobs, and we were driving, from a neighborhood city, and we did not have fuel, and we had nothing to fuel up, man.
We're just like, god, please help us get home. And Yeah. Just that moment just you know, slipped in, and he's like, no way we got money. I'm telling you, I felt like we were we had a $1,000,000. So moments like that keeps me really grinding, and I really wanna do an impact on my family, siblings, parents, the people around me. So That's what keeps me going. That's cool, man. I I love that that story.
I think that probably every entrepreneur to a degree has some sort of moment like Chaz, whether it was money related or someone told them they couldn't do something. They have Chaz, like, go to moment that you just described as, like, Oh, jeez. I can never let that happen again. You know? Yeah. That's true. Super humbling, but really cool that you guys had that moment of of opportunity to be grateful even in the position that you were because that's really what it was. Right?
Yes. Yes. Just a deep gratefulness, at whatever level. And I think, yeah, actually, so let me ask you, since you had that in that moment of what you called the bottom, how do you try to or continue to press into gratefulness at the level now? Like, you're obviously continuing to grind, like you said, But with the level of success that you've had, how do you continue to focus and be gratitude or to be grateful?
What was really hard for me Chaz a a couple months ago where, you know, I set myself a goal. I was like, you know, this is how much maybe money I think I should be making or this. And when I set myself a couple of goals, I realized that my mind shifted to the point where I'm like, when I'm gonna get there, this is when I'll be or this is when I'll be happy, or this is when I'll be great. And then one moment, I just feel like, god, just open my mind. You're in in this and I start thinking.
I was like, wow. I'm not grateful for what I have right now or where I'm at right now where somebody dreamed to be. You know? Oh. And this is where I'm like, I stopped myself. I was like, you can't do that. You gotta be grateful in every moment of your life. You know, are you down? Are you up? You know, it doesn't matter where you are. You have to be grateful. And I saw a post of a friend the other day.
I don't remember fully, but I was like, gratitude makes attitude or gratitude has to be your attitude, something like that. You know? Yeah. Yeah. I love that. The semantics of what you're giving is you can be grateful at this moment for what it is that we've gotten so far. Yeah. In that same moment, be unsatisfied with that being all that you're made for. Right? Like, you can still be grateful in that moment and still want more.
And I think that that that place is so difficult for so many entrepreneurs because you're right. They're always destination focused, oh, well, once I get to a million in revenue or once I become a millionaire or once I have the house in the car or whatever, then I'll be happy. The problem is Chaz when you get to the level, then it then it just becomes the next thing. Like, now I want 10,000,000 or now I want 2 houses or now I want four cars or a more expensive car or whatever.
And so that game never ends, which is okay. Like, it's okay to keep playing that game. But but to your point, the gratefulness along the way, how do you feel like that's kept you grounded, like, in those moments, or do you do anything practical in those moments to be like, okay. I need to take a moment here and really appreciate what's happening. I think if you are so bombarded with everything that's going on, you you tend to not realize what's going around. Like, I realized this.
I don't know about anybody else, but I one time I, you know, came home. It was dark. And I looked up in the sky, and I'm like, wow. I start remembering, like, things I learned in school, big dip for a little dip for all that stuff. And I'm like, it's been so much time when I've just laid down and just did stargazing or being grateful for what's going on. So I think it's when I get bombarded, you know, that's when, you know, something happens. So I I tend to make that a habit.
I wake up What am I grateful for? You know, say a prayer, of thankfulness. What what what I'm grateful for? What has god given me this day? So I think that has to become a habit in order for you to actually, get it out from within you. You know? Totally. I love that approach, man. I relate to you. Every time I'm in the Wolfe, specifically hunting.
But anytime I'm even just walking in the trees in the woods and you look up and you've got a clear sky, that moment, what you just described is looking at the stars and seeing constellations and just seeing the vastness of creation, really, is what it is. It it makes you feel tiny and in not insignificant, but, like, humble. You know? Yeah. I love the feeling. It's like a reset, which sounds like it does for you as well. Let's go back in your journey real quick k?
Let's talk about how you got to where you are. How did you start this company with your dad at fifteen years old? Let's talk about that first. Well, in 2008, when the economy fell. My dad was doing stucco prior to this. And so he went and started doing cabinets in our garage at our house. He bought, like, 2 machines and started doing that and, you know, went found work, you know, just no motivation. It wasn't like, a motivation. It was, like, kind of, like, more of a a a duty.
You know, he got a family, you know, because I have there's 12 of us in the family. You know? Wow. And so, like, a big family and everything. You know, he just he just went at it. You know? And as a gotta go. And so he went at it, and then, we ended up you know, we'd come to the shop. He'd get us to work, you know, after school or something, you know, just to show us things, is he going on an estimate?
We were with him in the car and and high respect to him till this day for that because we learned as we went even though we were in school. And so there was moments where we'd come you know, to the shop where, you know, where he was working. We'd look. We'd see. We'd start doing our own stuff. And eventually when we, you know, got to the point where He just got us into work. You know, he said, hey. Let's go. You know? And my older brother went in when he was fifteen.
Now it's prob there's a year different between us. So I went right after him. And the funny thing is is we would come to the shop, and we had this big dream of building our own guitars, you know, because we played we have a band in our family and now we play music. So we wanted to build in guitars, but Kinda never happened, but so, you know, we start doing it. And then, like, when we hit, you know, he hit 15 went.
I hit 15 went, and then there was a younger brother that's two two and a half years younger than me. He he went at 15 too. So you know, we start working, and it was just I looked back. It was like, like, a fog. There was those sleepless nights, you know, where you're barely getting through and you know, my dad had the up come to, like, my money is your money. Your money is my money. You know, we're gonna build a team and do this together.
So You know, we we were all in, you know, and I think we were just so much in where we just could not see any better. You know, we worked too hard to be smart and So, you know, it went on. It went on and, you know, we just did it. We showed up hustled, did the work. And so that was about a 15.
And I think, as we went, we learned a lot, but I think what kept a lot of us triggered not triggered, but, like, limited to my dad, personally, you know, some people from his family, they were like they were kinda like, the person that has no money will be left out money. And the person that has money will get even more money. And he and that always limited him and just Sure. Ate his mind. You know, he just Right.
He he just was all in, but I feel like when your mind is not there, your body is not there. You know, your mind is the, you know, what's setting. So and that kinda was on us too. You know, we're like, we can never even think that we can do a 1,000,000. We can never imagine that we can do, you know, this or that. You know? Right. Right.
And, you know, as time went on, I think 2 years ago is when we start reading books, start watching events, and, you know, when we start going to events, Chaz just unleashed. You know? Yeah. At least your mind, your ability to think, it sounds like. Yes. Yes. Big time. And when your mind is unleashed, Everything is unleashed because I'll be honest with you. There was a job we did, and we lost $60,000 on the job. They did not pay. We try to get leans on them.
Everything was, like, it was very hard, which really ate me because I was, like, the manager of that project. And, you know, I had this one person tell me, like, hey. Chaz is god trying to tell you through this job? And I'm like, come on. I like I I came home and I'm like, god. Like, do you hate me that bad where I'm like, not trying to be, you know, crazy and bad.
I just, you know, wanna live life and help others, you know, you know, serving and everything, but you know, I think getting closer to god too, that helped me out where I find in the scriptures where, god is for the people that work. You know, even proverbs, you know, says a lot about it. If you, you know, you go work, the person that works, he will, you know, be the owner. The person that doesn't work will be a slave. So know, god wants us to do that. So A lot of good, elements here.
What I'm hearing you say, number 1 is even at a young age, you just you just worked. You you you had to start working. You had to learn the trade. You had to, you know, go through sleep this night. You had to have the fog that every entrepreneur listening knows exactly what you're talking about when you say the fog. And it doesn't mean that you wanna live there forever, right, because ideally, you can't. But Chaz fog of just, look, head down.
I gotta do what I gotta do in order to grow, take care of my family, whatever the responsibility is. Right? I just so appreciate that perspective that you have. And then also for the listener, I'm just pulling out some of the stuff here that you're talking about. You know, you gave huge piece on mindset there. And and the piece that you said that your dad, was limited by is that if I have success, then it it almost takes it away from you or someone else, there's only a finite number of success.
And if I have lots of success, then then you can't have success, or that if you have success, then I'm limited in my success. And, obviously, you and I both know that that's not true. It's the way that you think. It's the way that you act. It's the way that you go about your business that's gonna determine, the success. And so you had mentioned a couple things. I wanna try to pull them out before we move on.
You mentioned that you started going, like, starting reading some books and started reading some, going to some is I'll ask you a little bit later about maybe a book recommendation, but what spurred that? Like, why did you start reading books, or why did start going to conferences or thinking differently as an entrepreneur? I think well, it fired me, personally me. I can't speak for my brothers. Which we're kinda attached at some point.
You know, if someone's learning something, we kinda share it and we all tend to support each other and help was management. You know, was business management. I'm like, you know, are we always gonna be this way? Like, you know, we always gonna do this. Is this always gonna be like that? So I'm like, I need to learn. You know?
And I had thank god for good mentors that I had that actually, you know, they're multimillionaires, hold big companies, but they're very humble and you know, they were there to share, care, and and so, you know, a couple of them were like, hey. Go to college. Take a, you know, uh-uh, business management class. And I knew that couldn't be because I'm like, I am hustling your heels on it and just go to college and be like, who's gonna be there for me.
So You know, I got books, start reading about business management, you know, financial management. And then Right. Just started discovering these very good speakers and learning more on, you know, work culture, you know, on and on sales, stuff like that. Totally. Totally. Yeah. Sounds like the stem came from, like, I don't want this to always be how it is now. It's a it stemmed from a desire of more, a desire of things have to get better from here, which is a curiousness or like a, okay.
How do I change it? How do I grow? How do I develop? How do I mature? How do I change? And so do you think do you think that that comes naturally to you or, like, naturally to an entrepreneur or for the folks that maybe don't feel like it comes naturally to them, what would you suggest that they do to get to that state of wanting more and wanting to learn? That type of a thing. To me, it was, like, fed up.
You know, to to me, it was a point that pushed me on was being fed up with where I'm at, and I personally hate reading books. You know, but, you know, when I when I got it, I, you know, I knew those the thing. So my suggestion to somebody out there is I think a lot of people don't understand that they can do a lot more. They're just grinders. They're smart. They got common sense. Envision is what's blocking them at some point. You know?
They might have some sort of vision, but all their vision is is what's in front of them. And they just can't see the future can't see, and they're, like, so caught up. So my point is sometimes just to take a minute to step back, you know, maybe get in the read a book, watch something, an event, get a mentor, surround yourself around people that are like that are farther there. You know, that's what I told myself.
If I can surround myself around the people that are farther there, I can learn a lot quicker be there. You know? So My suggestion is to take a minute, especially those hustlers, because I feel like when you're so focused on it, your vision dies away. You just you stop losing that focus. Everything becomes foggy because I look back at that time. I almost can't remember. I'm like, was I that stupid? You know?
And I look back at them, like, you know, I just can't see anything as if I had any I didn't have any common sense, but I realized that I was so focused on this and grinding so much that I just couldn't see any future. Yeah. No. I love I I think what you just described is incredible. And I've never really heard said like that, but, yeah, you're right. Like, when I think back to moments or even seasons that I was in of, like, fog of 2. I mean, the grind is necessary for a period of time. Right?
Like, you you have to grind until you have enough resources to start building a team and we've talked about this with several guests, but the grind is necessary. But to your point, you gotta, like, pop up and rise above the grind sometimes and remember the purpose. Remember what you're doing. Remember to take a step back. Like, the slowdown to speed up effect is in essence what you're saying, which I just love that, man.
I think that at such a young age, you're providing such clarity, not only for yourself and for your team, but now other entrepreneurs on even on this show where it's like, Man, how does a how does a a young twenties have such clarity on, you know, I need to be able to, think. I can't think clearly if I'm stuck doing So many entrepreneurs are stuck right there. They're stuck on the job site. They're stuck in client fulfillment. They're stuck on the sales call. They're stuck. They're stuck.
They're doing the thing. Yeah. Which is, which is what you exactly what you're saying. So, okay, let's let's let's keep moving here. I'm super curious to know along your path here, of a good and bad decision that you've made that you could share with listeners. Let's go with the good decision first. I wanna know what you've done that just sticks out in your mind that's just like, you know, boom. Do it again ten times over. I think, one of the things is I didn't back down.
There were moments where I just wanted to quit. And, there are times that I'm like, I'm just gonna go work at a factory, go work at McDonald's, and there was just No. You can't do that. Is that any better? You know? So the good decision I look back Chaz helps me it helped me out so much actually through. It's like, if he didn't do it then, you can't do it now. You know? So That's right. Not quitting was a a great decision.
And another thing was I, I think, a big thing to my business was, you know, going out into research getting out of the comfort zone. You know, do you want her or not? You get out there and you're not comfortable doing this researching. Going out, looking at your competitors or things like that, but that is really something I look back with, and I see the good fruit of it. You know? Yeah. Super good practical things, man. I love the the, on both of those.
I mean, the the the researching competitors, you know, like, some people, I I I I shied away from that for a long time just because I wanted to have my own original thought and do my own thing. And just because you're researching, doesn't mean you need to duplicate or replicate or try to be someone else. So that's a that's a probably a key point to be made here. But what I'm hearing you say really is don't be afraid to get out of your lane.
Like, it's okay to see and get get experience and or even just ideas from other people. And even earlier mentioned, you know, coaches and surrounding yourself with people and and stuff like that too, it's obviously helpful. So super good, man. I I'm I'm just kinda regurgitating this here for the listener. Those things are huge. And I think super practical too. What about a bad decision? On the on the flip side of the coin, what'd you do that was just detrimental?
Save us some time and money here. I made a lot of mistakes, but I think if I didn't make them, I wouldn't I wouldn't be where I'm at at the same time. You know? I risked. My dad's a risky person, and I risked so much. I'll go out of my boundary, you know, out of credit. I can go mine And so I risked. It's I think it's a bad decision and a good decision. Sure. I I think I I received that. Give us an example of of what that means for you. Like, what did you take a risk on that worked?
And then Wolfe you take a risk on that that didn't work. I'll give you an example, a risk that worked and didn't work. So, one of the things debts like, you know what? Going to estimating. This is about seventeen years old where I started to estimate commercial projects, like schools, hotels, dealerships. And so I went out not knowing anything. You know, I just got a couple blueprints of how he does it, you know, and just went out.
And The mistake I did was a job where we lost 60,000 was a job where I had to give a quote for a 170, and I gave 60. You know? And there was a ton of time, a ton of sweat, and, you know, we ended up even losing money, never got back, even put money from other jobs and projects from put it in there. The good side of it is is I learned a lot. Actually, it was hard to recover from that. It was so hard to recover from that.
I felt like that's a dead end, but then just, you know, things start sparking up just other clients start reaching out. Hey. We got this project coming up, and I'm like Right. Right. Let me give another shot. And when I gave another shot, I got a project that went well. So I think one thing was is I didn't have experience and I jumped in. And it was a loop where it was a little it was dangerous getting in.
So, I think as entrepreneurs, they can make a decision not knowing good or not knowing at all. And it's good to risk, but I think it's very important to at least know You know? If you want to take less risk, if you want to not get hit in the forehead. So know about it. Find out and then jump into the loop. Is, you know, was my outtake, what I saw as in my big hit.
So the goods were I learned a lot, and it pushed me on I started realizing how to find out, you know, about competitors, how to find out more about pricing, this and that, but at the same time, the loss, that was the loss. So Yeah. Well, I I see several things tying together here in the story that you've given. Number 1 is that you said the good decision was that you never quit. Right? And so if you had quit, in that moment of devastation of, oh my gosh. Just lost $60,000 and you're probably 20.
You know, like, most most twenty year olds don't have a clue what what kind of money Right? Let alone some of the guys that are listening right now, they're three times your age. Yeah. Exactly. Exactly. So you're you're at this point where you feel like you wanna quit. You feel you're devastated. You feel like everything has ended because of this terrible scenario and all the money that you've lost, but you didn't quit.
And so because you didn't quit, you held on just long enough where some of these other players, other other clients started calling you and and and you you just try it again. Right? You just you just keep at it. And so I think I think actually your failure highlights, you know, the the thing that you gave on the flip side, which is huge. I also wanted to say one thing too because you're you're a young guy and you should be in essence in college right now or just getting out of college.
I was a college dropout myself, and most, but not most, a lot of entrepreneurs don't go to college or don't finish. And so the way I always looked at it was I have friends literally that have spent 60, a 100, $250,000 on a college education And depending upon what they're doing now, sometimes it's worth it. Most times it's not. And so for me, a $60,000 loss or a decision that went wrong, in this case, for you, Chaz was just learning. Right?
Like you you ain't paid $60,000 to learn a crap ton about the industry, about estimating, about pricing, about your labor stuff, about how to deal with, you know, clients who don't pay, how to have probably your contract better. Like, you've learned a crap ton and all you had to pay was 60 k. And and it highlighted everything that I learned. I'm sure. I'm sure. Because I've learned all those things too.
So I I I love the, this the energy that you bring to the the failure, man, because you just paid for it. That's all. Like, hey, look, I paid for the failure. It is what it is. I learned it's my college education, and then then here we go. You know? Yep. So, okay, when it comes to decisions in your business, obviously, we've been talking about good med decisions. Do you have a formula or some any sort of a discipline that you follow when you're trying to make decisions?
You're a little bit of a quick on the gas. You try to you you usually kinda jump in sometimes a little bit little risky, but is there a process that you follow at all? Well, yes and no. Like, I think, to me, since I am still risky, you know, this is this is somewhere where I think I've learned listening to so much podcasts or reading so much books, I feel confident. You know? Like, I already see other people's failures, and I already kinda dabbed by that.
I look at my finances, like, if I see no work coming up, you know, when I saw, like, there's no business there, and I'm trying to run-in and and go, our company should be ordering machinery and stuff like that. Nah. You know? So I I'm risky, but then at the same time, I look out. Yeah. So not really a formula. Just kind of like in the top of the mind, I'll just kinda use common sense, I guess.
Yeah. Well, it's it's it's obviously, a common answer, but what I'm hearing you say, just for the value of the of the listener right now is that you can't be so caught up in thinking or information that you are unable to make decisions. Right? Like, you have to make decisions, and and I would even challenge at which I hope you'd probably agree is that You gotta make them quick. Right? And sometimes quick is relative. Sometimes that's that's like right now. Sometimes that's over the hour.
Sometimes that's over the week, over the month, over the year, whatever it But what I'm also hearing you say is that there are certain decisions usually financial related that you maybe need a little bit more information, whether it's a new machine, whether it's you know, hiring another 2 or 3 people? Like, what is that what does that mean to the business and and where is that where is that coming from in the budget and, you know, all that fun So am I delineating correctly here from your?
Yeah. Absolutely. If I don't have the full information on something that's new, like in sales, you know, if I'm going into it and I don't know about it, I wanna find out about it, hiring sales teams, how to set it properly. I wanna get someone that can help me that has a structured right and has a lot of experience. Okay. It's good to learn the mistakes, but why would I want to if I can save, like, pay? Do you have someone do it? And I can get a head start. Exactly.
Yeah. That's it's a huge benefit. Okay. You ready for the speed round, dude? Yep. First question in the speed round is if you could only pick 1 metric in in the entire business. Obviously, I'd probably track a bunch of stuff. What would that one metric be if you can only pick 1? Money. I guess the money come. You know? Sales or bottom line money?
I think in general, in general, because I would wanna see where it's going and how it's how it's affecting, not that I'm scared to lose, but, you know, what is it doing and how's it performing? So I wanna learn off my own operations too. You know? Totally. Yeah. A 100%. Yeah. It's it's a it's a common answer of of, where's where's the money going, or are we making money? That's a good indicator. Yeah. Gotta gotta make money.
Okay. And what what's a 6 figure or what's a book that you would recommend a 6 figure owner, read to get to that subfigure mark. Forgot the title. It was, I think 7 habits. Oh, okay. Yeah. Yeah. If I'm not mistaken. 7 and 7 habits of highly effective people, I believe. Right. Because why is it's self development. And I think if you're not self developed, you're just gonna go out there unarmored. So, you know, something that can get you discipline. So that's I recommend. That's good. I love it.
K. And do you intentionally network or mastermind with other entrepreneurs? I do. Okay. And how so and and or why? So I'm right now in, Apex group. Have you heard of Apex? Oh, yeah. So, you know, I've signed up, and I'm in the mastermind. And, a lot of it is because I want to get a head start or not a head start. I want to skip, in other words, the steps. If I can get the people around me, that can mentor me and how to do this because I I'm taking it to another level.
I started off with little mentors. You know, now I'm taking it to masterminds where I can get a lot effective information where people that long past where I'm at. So this is where, you know, this is why. That's good, man. I love it. K. And last question, are ready? You're a young guy, so this is gonna be interesting to ask you this. If you lost it all, what would you do, man? I'd restart. You wouldn't quit? I'd restart. I would not quit. That's not an option. Why? Why? I don't understand.
Why is it not an option? I I don't wanna be I don't wanna be medium. I don't wanna be mediocre. Just going with the flow. I think my calling and my purpose here, you know, in church and family, in business, requires a lot more. Like, it's it's normal to be normal. Right? But it's not normal to be not normal. If you're out, you know, but it requires not to quit to be that way. If you quit, you know, 90% of the people do that, a lot of people do that. So I choose not to That's awesome, man.
I love I love the simplicity of how you just said, you know, to be normal is normal and to not be normal is not normal. So you have to choose it is what you're saying. And sounds like you would. That's awesome, dude. I still appreciate you coming here. If if the listener resonates with you, they wanna connect with you even. How how would they find you? Instagram is the best way. Paul_trolock. So message me, follow me. That's awesome.
We'll put the we'll put the link below the show as well for them to connect with you on Instagram. And, of course, dude, I just so appreciate you willing to share, be vulnerable with your story, man, and you're young dude. You gotta you gotta big future headier. So if excited to, be part of the journey with you, man. Be excited to see where you go with it. Yeah. I appreciate it. You know? And of my pleasure. I want to, you know, know Chaz.
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