On today's episode of Gathering the Kings. If you're listening to this, it it means something. It means that you're you're here to grow. To raise your standard and take, and take root B, take the harder root. Guys accelerate real, real quickly when they start to become aware of why they think the they do and why they react with emotions the way they do.
I've learned this massively in my personal relationships and my professional relationships is that everything that we want is on the other side of having a hard conversation. These little things that you might they're not little, but you might not know that that subconsciously, they can control your life. And and without being aware of it, they Wolfe con continue to control your life and you call it fate. What's up, everybody?
I'm Chaz Wolfe, gathering the king's podcast, coming to you here today with another king on the stage. My man, Pete, Taylor. How we doing? Good, Charles. Good to be in, mate. Yeah, man. I appreciate you being here all the way across across the across the ocean. Right? We are. I am in London or just outside of London. Love it, man. Pete tells what kind of business that you get, brother. I run a business for guys. Right? So it's called heroic Man. We help men untwist their minds.
We boot their brains, their bodies, and their backbone. Ultimately, it's getting guys to to have more out of life. Yeah. I love that. They'll they'll getting more out of there. What do you say? Brain, body, and backbone? Backbone. Yeah. Backbows. Backbows probably the biggest part of it, but it's the biggest one that a lot a lot of guys tend to lack. Yeah. Why do you think that that is?
Do you know, I can I can speak to this because this was a massive thing for me, and I lacked this for a long, long time? Is that in my in my, like, late teens, early twenties, I got the body right. The body was, like, the easiest thing for me to fix. Jim, Ian Good. I got the body thing right. Then the brain thing I got right, like, intellectually, it was quite easy to learn new skills, read, and, and, employ coaches and mentors, that would give me wisdom.
The the backbone part was something that I didn't realize I was lacking until my early thirties when I had moment I had a moment where I was like, I am literally a boy in a man's body. Like, like, I the like, I I'm I am still not fully growing up here. I mean, my early thirties, there is so much that's going right, but there's so much that's going wrong. Yeah. And and, like, yeah, this, like, courageous Like, young man wasn't really there, like, truly, and the backbone element was was lacking.
I was I brought up by my mom. Didn't have, like, strong masculine rumbles around me, you know, and that was a part of that played a part in that. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So there's a lot to dive in here. I think that you know, of course, not not our whole audience is is men, but I think even for the ladies listening here today, I think that this could be great information because Potentially, they're gonna be married or are married, or they're gonna have sons.
And like you and me raised by single moms, it sounds like, we've got that in common, we're gonna be able to press in, but everything that you just said was, okay. So I was I was a boy trapped in a man's body. And you had a lot going right for you, but not not a lot going right. What what were some of those indicators in your early thirties where you thought maybe you had it together, but then you realized, oh, shoot. Maybe I'm not quite there yet. What were some of those indicators?
I think we just got we're straightened with the breaking point. This was a couple of years ago. I live just outside of London. I live in the countryside, and it's beautiful here. I got, a nice house and some nice land. And literally on my doorstep, there's thousands of acres of woodland. And as a young boy, this is what I always wanted. Yeah. And it was I I I remember the day I was walking through the woods with my dog and the dog that I always wanted And I'd taken this route.
I always walk the same route, taking this route hundreds of times. And I was thinking about the things that I had. I was like, I've got the I've got the the car. I've got the I've got money in my bank. I've built a business. I've got a team of twenty people. We're winning awards. We've just bought a building. We've got tenants in the building. I've got a beautiful Wolfe. Like, I've got everything that I wanted in my early twenties. Yeah. I feel incredibly lost. I I'm I'm not overly happy.
I feel very, very isolated, very, very lonely. And and that there really was a point. It was a it was like, a switching point for me. I'm like, this Chaz there's something up here. There's something that that needs to change. Yeah. For me to have all those, like, hedonistic, materialistic, things I'd always wanted Right. Yet being a bit pretty bad place mentally.
Okay. I think I think that breaking point wanna I wanna just press into that because there's people listening right now that maybe haven't experienced that yet and some that maybe they have. But what I heard you say is that you were you had achieved all the things that we say our success, right, the the land, the car, the house, even a beautiful Wolfe, and in essence, you had made it, but on the inside, you didn't feel like you had.
And so how does one know that that they're after the wrong thing or not necessarily the wrong thing. Not those things are wrong, but they're just they're not they're not what we call fulfillment. Right? Those things maybe bring a little bit of happiness here and there, but but it's not full fulfillment. How do I know the difference between something that I'm after you said in your early twenties versus something I really should be after, you know, was was for you in your thirties.
And this, you know, as as as woo woo as this sounds, my soul and my gut was telling me for a long time. Like, it was it was it was there. I was just refusing to listen to it or just, like, because because it's easier to go for the cars and stuff or what? Why is it? Exactly Chaz. Because it's hot, it would. It would have been really, really freaking hard. To go, do you know what? The business that I am building is wrong. My biz that my business partner isn't the right partner for me.
I I I don't have boundaries and I and I am saying yes too much. Actually, my model Wolfe probably isn't the right woman for me. Ma'am. And and, like, they are hard they are hard, like, realizations. And and I think that's it. It's like the easier the easier choice is just to keep going. Yeah. It's just to keep doing and and not facing what's what's in front of you if you really hold a mirror up.
Yeah. And and and Chaz, ultimately, if you don't if you don't come to face it, I think, and a lot of guys go through this is that we'll keep it on our shoulders. We'll keep it in our chest. We'll keep it in our heads. And then one day, We we, you know, we we either we either explode Right. Or we stay silent. Yeah. Yeah. And and then eventually, the silent explodes, whether it's just a outwardly explosion or not.
Okay. The the the process here of finding this, it said, you know, the kind of that voice was always there. Are there any practicals that the listener can maybe they felt this way, maybe they haven't yet, but we need to get them on the right track. What would you what are some things they need to be thinking Yeah. Do you know, like, I was actually so since the age, a really, really young age of, like, fifteen, sixteen, I got into personal development.
I got when when I got into personal development at a young age, I hadn't realized it was personal development. Sure. I just found the way for me to grow. And then so throughout on my my late teens and all through my twenties, I was really heavily into self development, personal development, as a consumer, now I get to be on the other side, and I helped and I get to help other guys Right.
Grow. But I think, like, I'd learn so many tools and tactics and Chaz, like, as basic as this tactic is, the art of just writing to, like, verbalizing something and writing it down and talk and talking about the, like, what's going on in your head, It doesn't necessarily have to be to your spouse.
It could be to another group, which is why, like, I'm really proud of what we've grown with, like, heroic man is like a group of conscious guys that want to see you grow Chaz will hold a space for you Wolfe not keep you in yourself pity or self wallow will push you forward with an action plan, that's that's incredibly powerful.
And so, like, try and find Chaz, not necessarily like the guys down the pub that, you know, is drinking and its surface level football scores Chaz stuff is cool, and it's funny. And we, you know, we all need a little bit of Chaz. But, actually, just like the higher level people, that will hold a space for you and if you to verbalize some stuff, it's really powerful. Yeah. I agree.
Obviously, within gathering the Kings, we we have a lot of the same language that we're working with business owners on. And so I I can already relate to the story that you're telling here. I think this is really powerful.
That that you use the word a couple minutes ago, isolation, and a lot of business owners who might be listening or guys, specifically, whether they're a business owner or not, they they have this description of isolation that you've given, but sometimes they don't realize it until they're, like, deep into isolation because you described this. And I and my story is the same way where you kinda just you just start doing the thing. Right?
I've been involved with personal development for a long time like you. So I'm just I'm I'm creating a strong mindset. I'm just just put it on my shoulders. I'll carry it. Don't worry. I don't need to talk to my spouse because I don't wanna stress her. I don't I don't I can't talk to my buddies because they don't have a business. They don't know what I'm dealing with. So you just pack it on and you just handle your business. And that I think it's where a lot of listeners are.
But eventually, like you said, that gets too heavy or they explode. I I guess the question herein is, how do they know or when when you say isolation or that I'm alone, it feels like that soft or that I'm weak. Right? Like, talk to that person. Yeah. Here's the thing. Like, a a lot of guys will pride themselves on being a lone wolf. I I I like, subconsciously, for quite a while, and then consciously prided myself on being a lone wolf. Yeah. Like, it's, like, I can handle this.
I, like, I don't need anyone else to do this for me. I'm the I'm the freaking man. I will do this. I will get it done. I will prove not just to myself, but to others that I'll get it done. Yeah. But what happens to the loan Wolfe? Dies in the woods on his own. And, you know, what I've soon come to learn is that, you know, and it we see it now in, like, the the strongest teams in the world, like the navy seals. There's part of a team.
Yeah. That that is a powerful thing for a man to be able to go. Do you know what? I'm gonna it's not a part of it is dropping in the ego, but part of it's got, I'm gonna be part of a team that's gonna help me grow. Yeah. As a powerful team. And if you can't find it, you create it. I'm hearing you say 2 things. You said kind of the ego and then the the power of a team, but the, I guess, the recognition before you can even get to those 2 things is the need to grow, which you kinda mentioned there.
So how how does one think about wanting to grow? I mean, you're talking to a business owners right now as the audience, and so, of course, they wanna grow, of course. Right? But But you and I, I think when we talk about growth, it's a little something different. So what does growth first mean to you or some of the people that you're helping so that they can get to that place where there's no ego. They wanna be around other people that are gonna be making them better.
You know, that type of thing. It's it's doing hardship. Grow growing is ultimately doing the and, typically, it's doing the things that we are subconsciously or consciously avoiding. For example, if there's a conversation that, you know, you need to have with your business partner and you've been putting this off for weeks Right. There there there lies the growth.
If there's a conversation that you need to have with your wife or or your husband, that you've been paying off for weeks months or even days, there there lies the growth. Yeah. And it and even, like, it's I see a lot of guys. It's, like, productive procrastination. And then, like, we're do we're do especially after, like, business owners. It's like, we're do we're doing stuff. It's like, it's like, I I I'll check-in with some of the guys.
Like, Pete, I made the new website and, you know, we we spent weeks on it. We got all the copyright and and I'm like, great. How many sales do you get in from that web way? Haven't launched it yet, Pete. Oh, yeah. It's not it's not ready yet. It's not alright. Okay. So you just spent the last 4 or 5 weeks doing Chaz, and you could have just gone notching some doors and spoken to some people face to face, which is the harder thing, but you would have made more money with it.
And it's like it's to hard things Chaz that con and most of the time, consciously, we know. You know, it's it's the work that needs to be done, but we avoid it. And analyze the growth. Yeah. I think that you set yourself up just, you know, great there because it is the harder thing, but then like you said, when you're around other people that are not just giving you space to be able to share, which feels woo, but then also holding you accountable.
Like you said, in in pressing you forward with the plan. Talk about that because this is this is really powerful. I mean, this is this is one of the 13 principles in thinking grow rich, the mastermind, like, when you put yourself around other people, like, gather the Kings for business owners or, like, men for you. Like, this this is what we do. You and me. Like, this is what we help people do. This is, like, the powerful tool.
Talk about this because I think most people hear, oh, yeah, like a group of people that's good accountability, they don't realize the depth of the power of this. It's on it's incredible. It the the power is it Chaz be exponential. That's right. And it's Here's Chaz. Here's, like, the 1 cent what one man can do, another man can do. And that and it's as simple as that.
And and when you're in a when you're in a group of guys, like your mastermind, for example, is a group of guys and a group of girls in there as well. And and you and you see, like, he's just he's just achieved something in his business. You're like, hang on a minute. If John can do that, I could I can do that. Right. John, the strategy that you oh, okay. Alright. Great. And then it, like, I see it time and time again. It's and it doesn't have to be like a strategic move in the business.
It might just be a mindset shift. It might just be like, oh, I set a I set a boundary, and I didn't know what boundaries were, before I joined this mastermind. And Yeah. And it and it's like, it's changed my life. And so it's like, what one man can do is to soak in another. Yeah. This is super powerful. You're talking about perspective and the power of changing perspective by putting yourself around to the people.
Let's talk about that inside of inside of your your program here because in essence, that's what you're doing. You're you're bringing in an isolated man. He's got he's got bigger needs, bigger, bigger problems, bigger goals, even. But sometimes he doesn't recognize those things on his own or recognize the solution to those things until his perspective changes. What are some of those main, like, 1 or 2 or 3 main perspective changes that that men have once they join your program?
So we we work on we have, like, 3 different p's. 3 different, like, environmental peas, the the p p for your physical. So you're you're eating, you're moving, you're sleeping. It's it's, you know, it's sometime, you know, we know we know this. We know that we should eat well and we should sleep well and we should move our bodies. And, like, that alone can be huge perspective shift for a guy going through that and having a body transformation fit, and then and then you build momentum from that.
And then the second p is psychological, which, you know, is the most interesting one to me. This is you being able to, like, unpack and understand your emotions. And then begin to understand, like, the inner darkness because I can I can tell you, and this is from my own experience just not just myself, but when you begin to understand that, you unlock decades of Latin potential, and it's like, the the the break goes down, the accelerator go? It it and and that's it.
It's guys accelerate real, real quickly when they start to become aware of why they think the way they do and why they react with emotions the way they do. Yeah. I'm hearing you kinda you've you've used the word conscious a couple times. There's obviously a conscious competent and then eventually an unconscious competent. Let talk about that for a second because your your perspective change is helps them understand or be self aware to be conscious of.
But then eventually, what you're talking about is becoming this person, this elite version of yourself, that actually happens without thinking, but that that has to be that that's unconscious or subconscious. How how does how does one get there? It starts with awareness. Like, if we if if we think about something if we think about it, it's on a scale of, like, 0 to a100. And, like, a 100. This thing is controlling you, and you might not know it's controlling you.
But you've been going in a certain direction or you like, like, A big one for a lot of people is, like, internal resistance around finances, like a financial thermostat. Right? They get to a certain level and then for some reason or another, they just bounced back down again. It's up and down, up and down. It's the same freaking level. And when you can raise awareness to the reasons as to why that might be happening, and you can and it might Wolfe be digging into some existing trauma.
Chaz just the awareness can take it from a, like, a level 90 controlling your life down to, like, a level 50. Chaz this thing's coming up again, and I know why this comes up because of this this trauma that that that happened 6 years ago, and that Chaz had an effect on me ever since. Because my business partner stole all the money in the in the bank. And because you stole all the money, now now I keep it really close to my chest and I and I don't do anything with it.
These little things that You might they're not little, but you might not know that that that subconsciously, they can control your life. And and without being aware of it, they will con con continue to control your life, and you call it fate. Yeah. That last piece that that you gave, it's like a little bit of a It's a snarky comment, but it's true. And and so you've obviously run into guys who are like, well, I guess this is just meant to be. Yeah. It and it's sad.
It's a it's a it's a quote by Carl Young. Is that your subconscious will control your conscious and you'll go your whole life and you'll call it fate. And it and it and it sadly can be incredibly true unless you are willing to do the hard work, which just goes back to what we talked about earlier. It's it's freaking uncomfortable.
Some of the conversations and and the places you go are uncomfortable, and you can be exposed, which, again, for a go with with an ego can be hard to be exposed, but and and and I've learned this. My ego guy Chaz been well in the way many of times, like, running the awake man and running heroic man because I look at him, I'm like, hang on a minute. I'm the leader. I can't I can't really go, like, fully tell the guys what exactly what's going on emotionally.
But what I have learned actually just over the last year, is that the more that I go into doing the harder work in front of all the guys, the more that they respect me, Chaz a leader. Yeah. And then and and then I grow, and then I and then I become about a leader because of it. Yeah. This is powerful. Obviously, you're doing it in in an environment where other people are like you. How talk talking to a business owner who's listening and going, okay.
Well, does that mean I'm supposed to go be vulnerable and share everything with all my employees. I'm gonna say no, but I love where you're going with this. So how would they do that if they're not supposed to share everything? How who can they go to, or or how do they do that inside their own business? I guess is what I'm asking for. Yeah. I do you know, I so I can speak to this. So I had a team of 20 people.
So when I left when I left my my previous business, it was a it was a bricks and mortar company. So construction, architecture, and tiers, And we I was quite open with what was going on, but I wasn't I wasn't the whole way there, which was why I I began to feel so isolated and quite lonely because the people I spent the most time with were my team. Sure. And I I felt Chaz I couldn't truly tell them everything because they might then lose respect for me as a leader and think Chaz.
Yeah. If he hasn't got it together and he's running the show Right. What's what's gonna go? Well, I'm not so confident about staying here. Exactly. Right. May maybe I'll start looking elsewhere. So, like, I think my my biggest advice there is to find another group.
Oh, and it'd be, like, preferably business owners that can relate to to the problems, but but not a group where it's just, like, a bitching and a moaning session, and it's just we're gonna dwell in the victimhood here Chaz because Right. This is hard. Yeah. It's like a group that will push you forward and progress you. It, like, the the ROI on that is is exponential, but I'm also a fan of being pretty open with the team.
And in, like, if we're going for a struggling time financially, he's like, hey, guys. Look. This is the way this is the way the numbers are looking, and this is why they're looking this way. And it's I think it's important for you guys to be aware. And here's here's the plan in place. What do you guys think? You you got anything to add to that plan? Do you wanna because you I think you you find in in those moments, you find who's really there for the long wind.
Yeah. And the and and the guys and the girls in your team that are weak probably don't belong there, and they maybe they will get up and go. Yeah. It's probably a good thing. Hey, Kings and Queens. Chaz Wolf. I wanna talk to you about something that's super important to me. We put a lot of time and effort. We, meaning myself and my team, into this podcast into the content that goes out every single day.
And if you have been getting any sort of value or insight from this, we want it to be able to reach other business owners too. So we would love if you would like, comment, share, leave a review, post, share again, all of the things. On social media, on all the different platforms, or even on the podcast mediums of Apple and Spotify. We would love to be able to our content into more hands, more entrepreneurs so they can grow their business as quick as possible.
Together, we are building a community of like minded entrepreneurs who are committed to growing their businesses to new heights. So let's do this. Let's help each other. Let's help each other grow. Yeah. I love Chaz you said there because I think you're spot on with you're nervous to share. Almost the exact language that I've used previously myself and with plenty of other business owners is what?
I wanna share everything because then they might they might they might look elsewhere, like you said. But it's probably those people who aren't super bought in to you or your vision and partially because you're not being open with them, partially because they're probably not the right fit. And so there's a little bit of that hard thing that you talked about, you know, like, just doing the hard thing, which is making sure that all your people are meant to be there anyway Chaz should be there.
Chaz makes us nervous because it's like, man, if these three people leave, then I now have to do something hard, which is replace them with the right people. Right? Yeah. Okay. Let's talk about some practical stuff that you've done. I you've done just a beautiful job here of setting us up as far as mindset shifts and getting around people. I love what you're doing inside of your programs.
For you, as you built multiple businesses now, which has been a good decision that you've made practically inside the business that you would just do over and over and over again, something maybe that the listeners can go hit the repeat button on today. Yeah. Simplify. That's it. Look at look at everything. Look at everything in the business and see an and see what you can eliminate. Like, I like the if you if we imagine a mountain and the peak of the mountain is the pinnacle of our business.
And to be able to climb Chaz, when we're when we're, like, at the bottom of that mountain or caught the way up the mountain, and we've and it's hard when we've got all these bags around us. We've got We've got all these shovels. We've got all these headlights. We've got all these bags on top of us. It is heavy. And I like the the call to climb. So what can you call? My my it might be team members Chaz might be people Right?
But what what else is there that's, like, is is there, like, the offer or the product that just makes no money, but we're still doing it anyway. Or it's just as confusion, and it's like looking at everything throughout the business, starting with the things that make you the most profit, and it's like, well, what can we eliminate? It doesn't. And what can we increase that does? So it's simplification. Yeah. I think that, you gave a very simple answer around that, which is great.
How what Wolfe be the first step? I mean, so take a look at everything. And eliminate, but what am I looking for? Like, just things that don't things that don't belong, things that aren't performing? I mean, I'd I'd I'd I'd look at whether the big like, where's the biggest bottleneck in the business? Like, where's where's where's the most challenging, like, event project asset in the business? May maybe it's like, do you know what? We're just not getting enough leads coming in.
Maybe it's a lead flow issue. Then I'd look I'd be looking at, like, the top of the funnel and, like, where are the leads actually coming in? And, like and and I see this with a lot of, like because the probably 90% of the guys that come through our programs are entrepreneurs and our business owners. So I get to have insights into what they're doing. Most of the time, they're just doing way too freaking much.
Like, they're on they're on, like, every platform, and they're and they're doing every form of, like, lead generation and prospect generation. And it's I'm like, Carl, I'm exhausted just looking at that. Yeah. And just like you talking to me about what you're doing, And it's well, this is find the ones that are most effective. Find find find find the place, and you might have to do some testing.
If you haven't got data around it, then spend you know, 6 weeks, 8 weeks gathering data around every outlet and go, alright. Do you know what? Outlook number 1, where we just go out and meet people for coffee, is really harnessing actual tangible results Right. Where we're selling more. Yep. Let's just do more. Let's just really, like, master that and make that into like an actual client acquisition system. Yeah. So I know that if I go out for 5 coffees, then we we can get 3 deals. Right.
And and really, really, like, optimizing that. And that's that's where I'd look. I'd look at where the bottleneck is. Yeah. I love the the example that you gave there of client acquisition system. Most people are operating with just effort. Like, I'm gonna try this. I'm gonna try that. I'm gonna try this. I'm gonna try that. Without dialing in ever enough to say, well, what is really working? And then stripping all the things away to say, okay. Now I'm gonna build a system around this.
And I see this. I'm sure you see the same thing, but just so many business owners get stuck in just kind of the doing where there's never any system be because they're trying to do too much. And I think we've all been guilty of it. So it's not like, you know, Peter and I are sitting here today going, well, never had that problem because I'm I'm sure we both have and still always are trying to eliminate stuff. Would you agree? Always.
Just like all these problems I'm talking about, I've had them or still or still have them. That's right. Right. It's just and and sometimes it's just like it's just levels to this. It's like and we can just get to the next level in revenue, but there's still problems So that's right. It's all it's all part and part of the parcel. What about a bad decision? Something that you did that was just almost detrimental. Tell us about that hour. Bad decisions. I've made plenty of bad hiring decisions.
K. Like, hiring on, oh, I like them. They I just like I just got a feeling about them. I like them. I think, like, I've made bad decisions doing that that have cost me exponentially afterwards because I still like them, and I haven't fired them. Right. And and and that particularly if you are a new business owner and you're not used to the, like, the hiring and the firing, it's hard.
It's really, really difficult, especially if when, you know, the people that you're hiring have got family and they've got bills to pay and and then and they're not performing and you give them another chance, then you give them another chance. And probably what I've really learned is not to give too many Chaz. Like, you know deep down if they're if they're gonna perform or not, and Right. You need to make decision quickly.
It's Chaz that old adage of higher, slow, fire fast Chaz rung through with me on my hiring decisions. Yeah. Yeah. I think that the repercussion of that going to that for a little bit. I mean, you you made the wrong hire. You held on to them for too long, but what did that do as far as a negative impact to your business? Massive. Like, I I I can think of a a number of them. I put one in particular I reckon that cost me close to half a 1,000,000.
Just in the the time that I kept her on board, which was probably 5 months longer than it should have been. Also, the the time that we put into her, and then the lack of sales because of the time that went into her. Right? And not only so not only was it, like, a revenue thing that we lost? It was also the the impact on the rest of the team where the majority of the team, especially the guys that have been there for longer, Well, like, why is she still here? Like, what's going on?
Like, what why is why is Pete keeping her? So it actually affected my leadership, and it affected the trust in my leadership. So there's, like, these these multiple facets that you only really see afterwards. Yeah. It's only after the event in, like, Oh, god. That's probably damaged my leadership quite some. I should have made the decision way earlier. Yeah. You you said several things in there that I'm sure some of the listeners have experienced.
I know I have where a, if the people on my team recognize that this person should be gone before I do, like, problem number 1. Yeah. For sure. Problem number 2 is that if I haven't created an environment where even the people that should be here, the ones that do recognize that she or whoever that was should be gone, can't come to me and say, bro, what are you doing?
That's problem number 2. It's like, well, now now I have good people who are being sanitized by bad people, And I don't even know that it's happening because of my my lack of leadership, really, or lack of ability to to allow people to share Yeah. There's a lot of awareness. It goes back to our very first, you know, conversation here around self awareness and being able to lead other people through leading ourselves. Right? A 100%. You you you have to be in the arena.
Like, if you if you're if If you're sat in the in the crowd watching the spartans in the arena, you're you're you're not gonna learn anywhere near as much as you being in the fight. Drop down in there, see what happens. Okay. So you've got you've got someone listening here right now who's like, alright, Pete. You know, I've been doing this thing alone. I know that I need people around me.
I I've I've picked up a couple things here from you today as far as how to make some good decisions, some some hiring decisions I can stay away from. Is is is this person leaving this podcast going? How do I take action in joining your group, or is this person taking action around self development. Give this person some clear, like, 1, 2, 3 as soon as they get done listening here today.
Yeah. Sure. So number 1, if you if you wanna find out about more more about what we do, go to heroicman.com, and you can check out our podcasts and our programs. The second thing I would do is if that's not right for you, I would generally try and find a group. Try and find a mastermind or just try and find a good group of guys.
Like, like, I'm I'm actually a fan of joining things like boxing clubs and Jiujitsu clubs, and MMA and and that sort of thing, like, because you you get to be around other people that are that are growing. Yeah. And that's important. Yeah. Right?
And I think, like, the the third thing I would do is I would learn the ability to have the difficult conversations because, typically, in life, and I've learned this massively in my personal relationships and my professional relationships, is the everything that we want is on the other side of having a hard conversation. Yeah. Yeah. That's right. You mentioned a couple of those different ways.
I'm gonna formulate my my last question in a little bit different way for you since you've mentioned these difficult conversations in a couple of different ways here today. If you could scroll back time and talk to the younger Pete, what's that difficult conversation that you would have with him?
You know, this is this is an interesting question because the younger Pete, he, you know, the the journey that I have been through is is built the man that I am today, and I'm proud of the man I am today. And, like, I'm incredibly proud of my achievements. I've got I've got beautiful sun and I have a good and amazing business. And so if I hadn't been through everything that I've been through, then I've been on a different journey.
I think that if I was to say one thing to him and have a difficult conversation with him, it will be stop caring about what other people think. And that'd be that. And just because I've absolutely had that throughout some so so much of my life is worrying too much about what others think.
You know, whether whether that's our business partner or or or colleague or one of, you know, one of my team members or whether that's a coach or mentor or what my partner, whatever that looks like, or people I don't even know. Right? Yeah. You know, the, like, the internet, just worried about what other people think, and Chaz and then that that preventing me from maybe stepping into other other areas of growth. Yeah. You just kinda mentioned it that it kept you from maybe other areas of growth.
But for the person listening right now, that's like, oh, I know that I think about what other people think of me, and I care about what they think it'd be too much. Like, maybe the younger Pete, how how how are they formulating that right now? Like, how what's it what's it keeping them from? I mean, because they're they know it. They're sitting in it, but they're like, yeah. I know. But but I don't I don't I don't know. Pete. What what's really the negativity here that I'm holding on to?
Yeah. Like, like, deep down. It's normally going after something that we want. So for me, in my previous business, I should have left earlier than I did, and I didn't because I was worried about what other people were gonna say. Sure. And then, like, and and even now, like, building, building a personal brand, but it's only been the last it's probably less than a year. That I've actually put myself out on the internet, but I for probably a year prior to that, I didn't do it.
I was like, oh, yeah. Have I got enough to say, like, like, maybe I just need to do some more work before before I can go out and I can and I can speak pretty free openly and freely about the way I think. Yeah. Right? So it's like worrying about what and really, like, we're all on our own journey and we're gonna die, which is the brutal the brutal truth, and that and that could be in a month or it could be in 10 years or it could be 50 years. That's right.
And after that after that event, it won't matter. Yeah. Yeah. There's a lot of hesitation. I think that you've kind of connected or correlated.
I relate as well, but the overthinking or the, you know, attached to the thinking about what other people think of me or caring what other people think about me, to the person who's overthinking, right, that that the guy that you described earlier here in the show is, like, you know, I've spent the last 4 or 5 weeks on you know, putting all the funnel together and and you're like, yeah. But but have you launched the ads yet? Yeah. Do you have people coming to it yet?
Have you got any any sales yet? Have you knocked on any doors yet? Have you taken any phone calls And that guy, he's he's he's consistently thinking about what not only what other people think, but also just overthinking in general. Yeah. Is the antidote action to to the younger Pete? What what do you what do you say? It's I'm I'm smart. Mate. And it sounds like you are smart dude too, and the the thing is with smart dudes, like us, is that we can overthink we'll over analyze.
And we got Wolfe, and we'll try and outsmart everything. Right. And go, well, you you know, there's there's probably I can probably make that a little bit better, and and I can outthink this. Yeah. The what what, like, a a mentor taught me, he was like, Pete, just be more dumb. You're too smart. Be dumber. Is, like, the guys the guys that I see that are very, very successful and get ahead in life is that they don't overthink things they just do.
Yeah. And and typically, when my overthinking comes in, I know that I call this, it's my inner enemy. I know that it's the it's the voice in my head that's trying to keep me small. It's the inner enemy that's trying to keep me safe, keep me in my comfort zone, And every time I try and overthink or put a barrier in the way or an internal objections, Chaz to the reason why I shouldn't do that, Yep.
It's the inner enemy keeping me small, and it's and that inner enemy, like, he will always be that I've learned this Like, he will always be there. He's never going to go, but it's the it's you being able to overcome the inner enemy, Chaz inner voice in your head that's trying to keep you small in And you'd be able to go, nope. And you can give it a name. Like, you know, it might give you my you might call it the inner enemy, or you might actually call it a name. So, no, John, Not today, buddy.
I am getting out of bed at 6 in the morning. Even though I don't want to and I, I'm gonna go and train. Yeah. No. John, not today, buddy. I'm not gonna go and eat that last cookie that I know I want, and John's telling me to eat, but I know that I will regret that. And and it and it's those sorts of things. Yeah, to to put a little encouragement for the listener here. That that inner voice gets quieter and quieter as he never goes away. Never goes away.
But you just learn how to, you know, smooth kicking him in the face when he when he when he pops up. And he and he doesn't come up as often, typically, when you when you kick him in the face. No. It doesn't. But this is and I, again, previous mental taught me this. And when he said this to me, I'm not, oh, that is Yeah. I love that. And he he was like, the current version of you needs to die for the next version of you to to come alive.
Yeah. And the current version of you, which includes Chaz inner enemy, that inner voice, he doesn't wanna die. He's been around for so long. He's got all of his habits in place. Mhmm. He will do everything in his power to keep you where you are. That's right. Right? And you got and you gotta kill him, and it's gonna and it's going, and it's gonna take everything you got to be able to do that. Yeah. Yeah. That visual of you wrestling you to the death. Right?
It's either one one of you is going to win either the the person that you want to become or the person who you still are to your point. It's that it's that inner wrestle and one will win because you both can't have it. Right? No. Correct. Love it. Okay. Well, you gave us the the websites. We'll put those in the show notes as well. You have given us just all sorts of mindset here today. Calm presence.
I hope that the listener didn't just glance over some of just the absolute goal that you gave here is today. Any last parting thoughts here, Pete? I mean, you're talking to men right now, possibly some ladies, but you're talking to men and you got one last thing to share with them. What do you give them? Raise your standard. We we live we live in a world right now where it's so easy to Just live in our comfort zones.
It's incredibly easy to take the easy route to watch TV or to not to make the call or to scroll Instagram or to not have the co hard conversation is very, very easy. Like, but but you, as a listener, if you're listening to this, it it means something. It means that you're you're here to grow. Yeah. To raise your standard and take and take root b, take the harder root. Pete, you've been incredible. You're an incredible mind, but also the simplistic version of Pete, obviously, is the one winning.
So, I wanna take heed to that and and pass that along to listener here as well. Thanks for being here. Blessing to you, all the men that you're touching through your programs. I hope that the listener takes you up and goes to those websites. We'll put them in the show notes so they can easily find you. You've been a blessing to the audience here today. Thanks for being here, brother. Thank you, mate. Thank you for listening to gathering the King's today.
I hope that you were able to pull out a few nuggets to go apply into your business right away. More importantly, though, I hope that you're realizing that it takes more to be successful than just being by yourself, doing it all on your own, carrying the weight all by yourself.
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