On today's episode of Gathering the Kings. I know Chaz well as you do that, you know, siphoning off some of that investment money or that cash and putting it into hard assets like real estate or even better multifamily Chaz build generational wealth, but you're talking about 3 years or less. Dude, That's fast. Well, you know, it it's amazing. A lot of people think, you know, everything is hard until you've done it. And so, you know, I've met people that, you know, they have.
They left their job in in 3 and a couple of years and in 5 years and and just, you know, it's it's everything's impossible till you've done it or until you see people that have done it. What's up, everybody? I'm Chaz Wolfe, gathering the king's podcast back at you here today with another king on the stage. My brother, Bronson Hill. How we doing? Hey. What's up, Chad? I was excited to be here, man. Love love what you're doing and love. I'm really excited to be a part of this. Yeah, man.
I appreciate that. You the little little backstory here back 30 seconds, but you were you were describing a little bit of a detail that my team puts in to the pregame. And we take this thing seriously over here. We're trying to add value to entrepreneurs everywhere. I really appreciate you being here. You have a unique background as we all do as kings, but tell us what kind of business that you have, Bronson? Yeah. So I have a business.
We, do syndication with means we raise money from, you know, retail investors. We do, real estate. We've got 2000 multifamily units. We branched out into things like car washes and ATM machines and oil and gas deals. And we also do a lot of education. I have a show called the mailbox money show. Similar to this. We're providing value, providing education, and do a lot of speaking at conferences, have a book coming out, and, you know, just a lot of different.
We're trying to add value to the space. Help people to generate passive wealth so they don't have to, you know, work for money. As Warren Buffet said, you can actually learn how to make money while you sleep. So that's what we try to help people do. I love it, man. You mentioned your book. I'm glad you did because I was gonna bring it up anyway. Give us the title because, man, I just am struck by the title.
I think it actually solves the very problem that you were just saying because everybody listening here, entrepreneurs, we might be building business systems. I've I've built business systems, which can be passive, but nothing quite like buying an asset, like, a piece of real estate and getting passive income from that. So tell us the title of the book. Tell us what you're really trying to do here.
Yeah. So, yes, my first book, it's called Fire Yourself replace your working income with passive income in 3 years or less. It comes out probably by the time this goes live, it'll be out on Amazon and everywhere. So really excited for that.
And, yeah, just, you know, that's the goal is to get someone that that has only done stocks or has a money, you know, adviser or financial adviser just how do I start doing these things in alternative assets and really grow my wealth in a way that I don't have to rely on the stock market, which is incredibly volatile, and there's a lot of risk there. And just a lot of, you know, a lot of issues I found with with Wall Street.
Yeah. Chaz you are a 100% right Chaz I've I've never trusted that direction for a lot of those particular reasons, but even as entrepreneurs, man, like, it's tough because oftentimes, we can take money, put it back in our business, and it gives us a greater return. Right? And so that there's a there's a little bit of a hamster wheel here because At some point, the business has got to kick off enough cash and you do something else with it.
It doesn't mean that investing back into your business or even to another business isn't a great turn, oftentimes, it is. And that's the that's the sticky of going. I can get a better return back in my business, but I know Chaz well as you do that you know, siphoning off some of that to some of that investment money or that cash and putting it into hard assets like real estate or even better, multifamily, can build generational wealth, but you're talking about 3 years or less. Dude, that's fast.
Well, you know, it it's amazing. A lot of people think, you know, everything is hard until you've done it. And so, you know, I've met people that, you know, they have. They left their job in in 3 years and a couple years and in 5 years and and just, you know, it's it's everything's impossible till you've done it or until you see people that have done it. And so I think it's right. It all starts with education. It's just, you know, everything you know, I I actually basically did that. Right?
I I made a decision having to try to leave my job within 3 years, and I did it in less than 3 years. And it just happened through really the 2 things that are are super powerful for investors. And I think for every entrepreneur is, education and networking, right, is getting in the room with amazing people that, you know, there's that quote. You're the average of the five people you spend the most time with. Right? So so networking can be in the right room. I've had partnerships.
I've made 1,000,000 of dollars by just being in the right room with with amazing people and then just getting educated, right, whether even just those conversations or getting reading books or doing these things. And so it's not it's not like a, you know, rocket science thing to figure out how to to do these things. It's just getting in the room with people that are at the next level because it will pull you up. Right? And so I think that's really how people do it.
I'm sure that's what we're doing here, right, is you're gathering people that have done next level stuff and trying to say how can we share this so that, you know, we can change others' lives and really help people get there also. Yeah. I love the kind of depiction that you gave of the 2 their specialized knowledge and the impact of others. Napoleon Hill And Thinking Girish says in order to obtain wealth, you have to have power.
And in order to have power, you have to have the combination of specialized knowledge and this harmony of community. He didn't say is that exactly like that, but you you can't you don't have to have the specialized knowledge, all of it yourself.
I don't have to be a multifamily syndicator like you, but I can know you And and now I have the power through the mastermind, which you're talking about, of having like minded people in a room together, I now have access to your specialized those 2 things. Specialized knowledge and then the access to the community, which has additional specialized knowledge. Is that what we're talking about? Yeah. I mean, that's it.
You know, it's mean, if anybody hasn't read Napoleon Hill, we're actually going through with a group right now, a book called The Laws of Success, and it's, like, 15 different lessons and things. And you know, he he's the guy who coined the term, the mastermind, right, when we have two people or more that get together and put their, you know, mind towards something, it becomes this mastermind.
And he did it every single successful person that he interviewed and, you know, people like Andrew Carnegie and and Henry Ford. All these people had these this this kind of network around them so they could help, you know, with with problems that came up and things like that.
So I think as an entrepreneur, if you were trying to get the next level, I think that's, like, the biggest thing is just, you know, paying to be in the room, you know, whether it's an entrepreneur's group, or it's a group of just people that are really growing themselves personally. You know, that's how we get better. That's how we grow, and that's how we we we really, you know, get to any other level we wanna get to is just getting around people that are doing that.
Yeah. I think it ties back to the very first point you made is that you don't know what's possible until you know what's possible. And oftentimes stepping into the room and seeing someone else, you're like, Wolfe. He did that. He really did that. And it just, all of a sudden, things open up to a new a new perspective. Yeah. It it it it is it. I mean, I I met with a guy, recently who a guy in the real estate space Brandon Turner. I was having a conversation with him, and he's Wow.
Yeah. Bigger pockets guy. He was just saying, like, you know, he was in a room with, you know, if somebody was talking about how they'd raised, they had a $100,000,000 fund, and he's just like, that's just amazing. Could a human being, like, raise a $100,000,000 And then he said, like, a year later, he raised a $150,000,000 in 8 weeks. Right? And so, like, it's funny how, like, it's all just like, everything's impossible until you're just like, oh, wait. Like, it's not impossible.
It's all it's all just kind of this myth. And, you know, I've gotta get around people that are doing it. I've gotta start to believe it. It's all mindset stuff. And and, you know, again, I I'm sure, you know, you know, you're a big personal development guy as well, but, like, I'll have a breakthrough in my personal development. And then it leads to this huge breakthrough in my business. And it's just amazing how that happens. Right?
It's just it's so I I I've just I've just been continually amazed at you know, the the limits that I thought I had, there's really no limits there. It's just simply the limits that we put on ourselves, and we didn't think we could do whatever. And so I've just continued to believe, like, the idea of, you know, there's this great book by, Dan Sullivan, and it's called 10 x is easier than 2 x. Right? And it's this ability to let go of who you were to become who you are able to be.
And so you gotta let go of a lot of times 80% of what you were doing just to embrace this new identity of somebody who is a 10 type of person. Right? That's the term a lot of people use, but it's, again, it's just continually saying, okay. Well, what what needs to happen here so that I could could grow 10 x or I could scale in this type of way? Yeah. Those are great questions to be asking.
I think that the the starting point is always the question of which you did a great job of articulating a couple there. Let's talk about you for a second here. I wanna know. I mean, I'm gonna get into some practical stuff of what you've done, your journey, and stuff, but for you right now, for Bronson. What's, like, the deep? I mean, you've you've freed yourself financially. Okay. And you and you've helped many other people do the same now, but what's in it for you? What's the burning desire?
Even if we're gonna use Napoleon Hill language, what's what's the burning desire that that drives you forward yet still today? Yeah. So for me, I've got a I've got a couple big wise. The the the first one, you know, obviously, I I mean, just just a lot of it. These are all kind of equal. I wanna be a great dad. I wanna spend time with my daughter. Really, you know, be there for her.
A big kind of why below that and for financial freedom is I really wanna end modern day human slavery in the world, which is a big hairy audacious goal. I mean, 20 to 40,000,000 people that are human slaves today, more than we've ever had in the history of the world. I mean, that's like, I live in Los Angeles. And that's, like, three times the size of the Greater Los Angeles area that's just literally a human slave, and 99% of these people never are freed or never really are rescued.
And so it's big hairy audacious goal. So to me, as I so my kinda that's really those are kind of my endgame things that I wanna, you know, wanna be a great dad. Obviously, I wanna travel one of these things that I value, but you know, being able to help people become financially free is incredibly empowering for them because, I mean, most people, if you look today, something like 65% of people hate their jobs. They don't like what they do.
They don't like, you know, and it'll enable me a lot of people to have a business. They thought they'd enjoy it, but they're Chaz kinda have they do it because they have to do it versus you're doing something that you feel like you have a sense of purpose over. So to me, like, yeah, I don't have to work. I don't have to be doing all these things, but I want to because I want to have people experience what that's like to be free.
And, you know, so many people, like I said, are stuck in something that they don't want to be doing, and they don't have the space to be able to create that. And so, you know, I worked with a lot of high net worth people. I'd be able to make a lot of money, but they don't know how to make money passively. They don't know how to actually grow wealth. You know, Wall Street Chaz, over the long term, can generate some wealth, but it doesn't really generate income.
It doesn't really generate cash flow typically. And so and and it's very volatile. And so finding ways that you have businesses that pay you, you know, to hold them and there's an inflation hedge built in all this learning, it just creates so much life change. So for me, you know, I think it's it's being a part of the cause I believe in, you know, being able to be the person I wanna be in helping other people to transform and be the people they wanna be.
That's, I think, what gets me into all those things. Get me really excited. Yeah. I mean, obviously, I can tell you thought about it. Appreciate the the the answer there and the detail behind because I don't know. I think that there's, you know, you're probably, a detailed person just based on that answer, but, you know, there's there's work that goes into what wakes me up beyond the money. Because once you have the money, it's like, well, what now? Yeah. Of course. Be a good dad.
Like, that that makes sense. Yep. Be be be be the person that you're designed to be. But the impact of that person is what you're describing now as freeing people. Wow. That's, like, that's quite a quite a mandate. That means people are, like, waiting on you. To emancipate them. You know? Yeah. Yeah. It's a big deal. Yeah. No. It it is. It's a I I mean, I think a lot of it we we don't realize life could be like. Right?
And I think it even kinda comes back to my faith of, you know, with faith in god. What is this? What does it mean? Right? You know, the idea of you know, what am I here to do? What's my purpose? You know, I think that we're we're at our best when we're doing what we're, you know, what our passions are. I I I'm I mentioned Dan Sullivan who, you know, has written some different books, but he's I'm a part of this group called strategic coach. They talk about this thing at unique ability. Right?
What's your unique ability that you do it? You have, a legendary skill there. And also, you know, when you do it, there's an excellence, but there's this passion that's there. Right? There's only so many things you're passionate about. Yeah. And that's one thing my dad actually taught me is that, you know, you're not passionate about everything. You don't have interest around everything. If you have a passion, that's kind of a god given thing.
You've gotta pursue it because not everybody loves, you know, fighting human trafficking or doing investing or whatever. So, or talking with people, you know, I've had 1500 one on one phone calls with high net worth investors over the years, and it's like, I I just love I get so curious, and it's so interesting. And I love doing that. Right? And it's been already done. So it's similar.
It'd rather be, like, taken out in shot or something Chaz they're getting go to the dentist or something than than any of the dentists. I don't mean to be offensive, You know, it's we gotta find out what we're what our passion is and we can just do that in our business. That's where we really grow substantial. And he says, you know, if we can be doing in our unique ability in our business, so, you know, there's a lot of entrepreneurs listening as well.
We can be doing somewhere between seen 80% kind of in our unique ability. You know, that's huge. Right? If I can get to where I'm just doing the things I'm really passionate about and I'm really good at, you're gonna produce exceptional results. Yeah. How does one listening right now? I mean, okay. So everything you just gave to us is really juicy. I love it. It's it feels good. We can take it. We can write it down in the notebook and and but but what do I do with that?
I got I'm listening right now. This guy named Bronson on this crazy podcast. And I pull over and I write down everything that you just said. I I reverse it back and I write it down work for work. What am I gonna go do with that later today or tomorrow this week? Yeah. I mean, I think that's that's a good question. I think that's something that, you know, a lot of times, you know, Michael Gerber talks about this, you know, in the ebook or the e e myth revisited.
It says, you know, a lot of times we spend time in our business, but we're not working on our business. Part of that too is I think it's really stepping away from the business. So what I do is with ideas like this that come up, I really have a note that I make and I put it in an Evernote or somewhere in well, this is something I wanna come back to. I wanna come back to this idea, and I wanna have time where I get a whiteboard up and I and I do this. And I I do this religiously.
Every 90 days, I get away for 2 days or, you know, 2 nights, and I'll and I'll basically just spend time thinking about the business. Thinking about what is working. Brainstorm okay. What worked the last 90 days? What what didn't work? What what should we is there anything new we should create? Do we need to hire anybody? We need to fire anybody? Well, what are the things that need to happen that need to go into our business? And so I think I I think those are a couple things.
A lot of his mindset stuff is great, but, yeah, it's you're right. How do you actually implement that? I think you have to have time. You know, Henry Ford used this. He said, you know, thinking is hard work, which is why so few people do it. Right? And so long as we're in our business. Here's not that we're not thinking.
It's just we're we're just we're kinda doing what we do and we're thinking whatever, but we don't take time away to say, well, let's take these ideas and just figure out, okay, if I really wanna scale it, if I was gonna go 10 x right now, what what are the well, the 1 or 2 or 3 ways I could do Chaz? Right? Yeah. And you're actually kinda dreaming. You're in that kinda state of what does this actually look like?
So all these ideas and things and quotes and whatever, those are things that you come back to. Where you as you wrote it down, like you said, you pulled her in the car, you wrote that information down. What are the things I can take and and how can I get myself space to schedule to brainstorm around in my business in my life, how can I let those things that I value become a reality? So good. And that's actually the answer to any of information, any idea.
So I I'm glad you gave a holistic answer there. You can being able to capture it and then later work it out so that it can be implemented. And and you might find out later in one of those sessions that it was a good idea, but it's not for you or not for you right now, and you put it on the back burner or you get rid of it. Or you implement it.
And so I think that's Chaz that time gap, you know, between, oh, I heard an idea or I heard this awesome guy on a podcast telling me this great thing I wrote down. From that moment to implementation is probably the difference maker in most high performers. Would you agree with that, or do you have a different per perspective?
Yeah. I mean, it it's it's I feel like to be, you know, a lot of us, you know, didn't start in their own business, you know, at age eighteen or nine and just, you know, where we had other experiences. I was medical device sales for 10 years. I'm not sure of your background, but we had different things that we've done, you know, different things in different businesses.
And so And we come to this with different skill sets, but I think, you know, the ability to kind of to be somebody who is a visionary and also someone who can implement. Right? And and, obviously, as the we get bigger, there's, you know, some of the EOS stuff, which talks about the the visionary and the the implementer, you know, that the relationship between those 2. So eventually, you get big enough. You you have an implementer that can kinda take your great ideas as a visionary.
And actually implement them. Now in the beginning, you've gotta be find really finding a way to do both, and it is challenging. Right? It's challenging to be like, I've got bigger dreams. I've got bigger vision Chaz I wanna spend time living in kind of, I don't wanna say dreamland, but you're you're in a land where you're just continually thinking that, hey. Anything's possible. It's all here you're ideating, but then you have to be real.
Okay. Rubber meets the road, what kind of customer service am I getting here? Or this this issue here is not working or on my team, like, I I'm very visionary. So I've I've had to really incorporate a lot that are really good with follow through. They're really good with data that are really good because that's not my strength. Right? And I don't wanna get stuck on that stuff anyway.
And so I think as you are able to do that, it's it is so important to have both because if you're all visionary, you're never getting anything done. And if you're all just in, you know, you you know, just kind of in the weeds and getting in it, you're never gonna grow. So it's it's kind of this weird kinda going back and forth, right, from dreaming about what it should be And also, like, well, let's just implement this. Let's let's stop talking about.
Let's do it. And I I find that's a challenging balance. Yeah. Inside of the mastermind group side of Gathering the Kings. There's a lot of first off, there's a lot of doers. Doers want to be better, so they put themselves in the rooms like you talked about. But even inside of that, then it's like, then the then the then the armor can come off. You can be real, which then now it's it's communication. It's ideas. It's a little bit of just, you know, problem solving.
What you're saying though is that when they leave that room, you still have to go do the thing that you learned or do implement the thing that that someone else gave you the idea for. And so it's it still comes down to I can come in and I can be a visionary, I have to either go communicate to my team so they can implement, or I have to go do it myself. And either way, it's okay. You just again, it's that timeline gap between what you're saying. I think it's beautiful.
Switching back over to real estate here because, obviously, that's your that's your your superpower on freeing people with passive income. What would you say going back to your journey, you you were medical sales rep. You wanted something different. Like, why did why did real estate appeal to you as a sale person? You know, I've always been interested in being an entrepreneur.
I since I was, you know, in college, I was interested in, you know, starting a business or doing something on my on my own. Sales. I was a well paid medical sales device rep, meaning I would go into surgery and heart surgery and help physicians, you know, and kinda coach them on how to use their devices, which is kind of cool thing to do. Wow. Very interesting. You know, I was making over 200 k a year. And I think she had got it down. I was working about 30 hours a week or less.
And so, you know, my my family's she was like, why would you ever leave your great job? Like, it was these golden handcuffs. Right? Jasser was like, why would you? And so but to me, I really wanted financial freedom in again, when people say financial freedom, when I started to really define what that meant for me, it really meant freedom over my time. I wanted to be able to take a day off. And go spend time with my daughter. I wanted to be able to actually go back from Japan 2 days ago. Right?
I'm going on another trip tomorrow. Like, I just like, I really enjoy being able to create and be able to have the time and space to be able to do that. And so, you know, actually, I was sitting. It's interesting. This is I left my my corporate job a couple years ago. And I remember it was you know, I had these if anybody's worked in sales, they can relate with this. I had this call from a manager, you know, every quarter, hey, at the end of the quarter, hey.
Are you gonna sell any more widgets or what's going on? And so I pictured myself getting that call a couple of months after. It's kinda what the end of quarter would have been. And I just remember, you know, came in my mouth was, thank god, I'm not doing the not not doing that job anymore. Right? So I hear I have this freedom to be able to do it. But, you know, for me, you know, the idea of really being able create something. I knew I would regret it if I didn't do it.
You know, there's a quote that says at the end of your life, you'll regret more of the things you did not do rather than the things you did. And so I thought, you know, I I could try this and, you know, it could fail, but, you know, if it fails, I can always go back to medical sales. And regardless, I would regret if I didn't do it because it's in my heart, and it's just when I did that, it actually all these other things kinda started opening up, and I realized like, wow.
It's All this is just a story. All my limitations are just a story that I've told myself, and it's all possible. It's all right here. Yeah. I love that. What would you say? I mean, the the freedom of time, really, because, like you said, it wasn't necessarily money choices, 200 k, similar situation where I had family going, wait. You're you're leaving what? Yeah. Yeah. And so I I get that.
And so guess, what I'm trying to do is paint the picture for the listener right now and and maybe they've already left their corporate job. But what they have is a business where they're you know, they're actively building and their earning income. Okay. Great. So that's active income. It's good. Even if they've built a business system, where they've got a team and process in place and and it seems a little bit more passive. It's still different than real estate.
And so why why would someone like that even? What would the value for them would be for investing either with you or just in in real estate generally? What's What's the poll for them? They've already left their corporate job. They're doing it themselves, but it's still active is my point. Right? Yeah. Yeah. Well, and and that's the thing.
I mean, you know, a lot of times if we look at how we spend our time and this is actually a lot of the people we work with have a business, but they just don't quite know how do I start doing the passive income thing? Right? Passive income. A lot of people think passive income is, okay. Great. I have a rental house. I've got 5 rental houses.
I got 10. I've people that have had 50 rental houses And then it becomes another job, right, even if you have a property manager, you're still managing other stuff. So there is a point where deals become more passive. Now it's never fully passive. No one ever really cares about your money the way you do. But, you know, when you have a deal, for example, let's say we've got a 2 100 unit department complex that we're doing, our investors will look at it they'll they'll vet the deal.
They'll vet our team. Okay. We'll have a call, whatever. We'll kind of they'll have a sense. Okay. I think this I understand the business plan. I feel like I understand the risks here. And then they'll choose to invest a 100 k or, you know, whatever amount they wanna invest. And then from that point, it basically becomes passive. They are not the ones getting calls from the manager saying, hey. We've got an issue with the tenant they didn't pay or the toilet's not working or whatever.
So I tell people this Chaz if your current strategy you couldn't 10 x what you're doing. I guess we're using a lot of 10 x on this show, but, you know, if you have 3 rental houses, if you couldn't immediately go to 30 rental houses, then you're not using a passive strategy. You're not using a scalable strategy. And that's where a lot of people, I think, they just like, oh, you know, you're right. I I, you know, I have all these houses are got a small multifamily, whatever.
I I couldn't really scale that up because it's just too much work to acquire, to manage, to it's just too much to do that. So that's where people getting passive where, you know, you get the same or better returns often, and you don't actually have to do the work. Right? So that's That's that's the appeal. So the idea of Warren Buffett, you know, learning how to make money while you sleep.
So a lot of times, we've learned how to do this in our business where we hand things over to other people But in our finance, we happen to learn how to do Chaz. But that's where, you know, when people are making a good income, whether it's through their business or their job or, you know, find it maybe a doctor or whatever, It's like, well, if you just took, you know, 10, 20%, you started you started investing. You don't take it all, but you put a little bit in.
Over time, it's like a muscle you develop, over time, he rose, man, I actually can do this. And then when the cash flow starts coming and be like, wow. This is really amazing. I actually could leave, you know, my business, my job, whatever, and have income coming in, and that's something that for a lot of people, they haven't figured out how to do that part of it. So that's the part that we teach people how to do. Yeah. I think that there's a there's there's a chatter about it. Right?
Like, they've heard how I could do it or how it is being done. But like you said, there's a gap there in understanding, and so then, therefore, there is a gap in belief. Again, going back to the very first thing that you said is You don't know that it's possible until you know that it's possible. Everything's impossible until you know that it's possible, I guess, what you said. So do you feel like it's just education that gets them to that place. I'm like, oh, this is how I do it.
And so, again, listening to a podcast with you or getting on a call with you learning about a deal, is there are there other other elements that you facilitate as well to help them kinda get to that place? What Thomas Warren the equation. So it kinda goes back to the 2 things of, you know, the networking and education, you know, getting in the room. I think, you know, we actually have an event coming up in October in LA.
It's a you know, 2 day events where we'll have 250 people there, and it's it's, you know, investors. It's not, you know, nobody's nothing's being pitched there. But one of the most transformational relationships I've found for somebody who wants to be a passive investor is connecting with other passive investors. Right? So as much as I wanna educate and help people whatever, I'm an operator. We do deals. We have our ATM funds. I love all these things. I want everybody to do our deals.
If you meet another passive investor, there's nothing to sell. They're just simply out there. I, hey. I've been doing this for 10 years for 20 years. I'm just here to help people in network, and maybe you'll bring me a deal. Maybe I'll bring a deal, and they're such collaborative relationship. It's a very transformational person to connect with. So I find getting in the room with those people. It's really powerful. So that's one thing.
And then another thing is, like I mentioned, you Chaz have all the information in the world about how great these deals are. You can have all the edge location. You can look at them. You can look at everything. A lot of times people get stuck in analysis paralysis where they don't actually make a decision to invest. Because they can tell you actually wire the funds for 50 k, a 100 k, whatever, you're it's all just a great idea.
And then once you do it, you'll get in, you'll see, and it's not all, like, a better roses. Oh, this happens and it's always up into the right. There are issues that happen. There's things you learn. There's things you learn about yourself. There's things you learn about deals and operators, but that's really where the learning happens. And the biggest investment we make really is in our own education. And I think it's as we may take the action to invest, that's where we start getting feedback.
Right? That's where we start learning Okay. I like this asset, or, you know, I don't like this operator. Or you know what? I did this, but I'd rather do this type of thing here. And so it's learning. It's not that it's gonna perfect every single time. And if I lose money, I'm a failure or if it doesn't go, you know, I don't get 15% per year. I totally fail. So, no, it's all learning. Right? So I've made a lot of money. I've also had deals that have lost money. Right?
So it's it's it's but it's the learning that happens in the way in the process of that. I think it's the most valuable. Hey, Kings and Queens. Chaz Wolf. I wanna talk to you about something that's super important to me. We put a lot of time and effort. We, meaning myself and my team, into this podcast, into the content that goes out every single day. And if you have been getting any sort of value or insight from this, we want it to be able to reach other business owners too.
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Let's help each other. Let's help each other grow. Yeah. You did a great job there. How do you think or what tell me is a moment where that realization came, to your mind where, like, you saw, you know, passive investors connecting with each other the power of that because it's the same thing that's happening inside of Gathering and the Kings. Like, I can bring coaching. I can bring strategic partners. I can bring education and all that super powerful.
But a lot of times, the best part of the event or even our online spaces are just them being able to talk to each other, them meaning entrepreneurs. In this case, it's investors, but it's a spin still the same thing. It's a peer to peer. I wanna help you, and there's nothing attached to it. Like, tells, the moment in time here.
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So I think, you know, in general, you know, having so many calls with investors, I remember there was a call I had with a guy, you know, I called him George. He was a physician net worth. We ask, you know, what's your net worth? And this net worth was was over $5,000,000, only done stocks owned a medical practice. And, you know, for this guy, you know, just seeing he had never really done it. Right?
And then, you know, seeing all these people that, you know, a lot of times, we'll get people that have had a ton of experience passively invested and we'll get somebody like George who has no experience. Right? So for me, it was really exciting to see George get involved in a deal, to start investing, to say it's a you almost have a call or email or follow-up, you know, I don't know what what the follow-up was, but it'd be like, hey. This really works.
You know, kind of that sense of, like, and then and start investing in more deals. Right? Uh-huh. Actually works. And so that's, I think, the the the most exciting part for me is when someone goes from, oh, hey. You know, I tried this to, like, Oh, wow. I'm actually getting cash flow. Oh, wow. I'm actually reducing taxes. Oh, wow. I'm actually, like, this stuff really works. And so it's it's something that They say the biggest sale you make is you sell yourself. Right?
You sell yourself on something. Yeah. So I when I see that happen and it's like, you know, you can see how great, you know, fast investing is, but until someone actually gets involved and they see it in a deal, they see the cash flow, they see the process, and and they're like, they get excited. Right? And that and that that to me, I think that's the most exciting part of all of it is seeing when they switch from yeah.
It's almost like in a movie where you have the the character development, and they start out there a certain way. They have some significant thing happened. Well, this is a significant thing that happens to where now they're an advocate for doing this. Right? Yeah. Yeah. I I have some of those moments too where people just along the way, and I can think of multiple mastermind members as Wolfe, but it's like they they have hope. Right?
So he he came to the event or he did the initial deal because there was hope. He didn't really know. He's a little bit skeptical, but he was hopeful. He at least had enough trust to to make the initial investment. And then you start getting around some of the the the people. You start getting some of the returns. You start getting some of the value, whether it's taxes or just, you know, meeting people, whatever it is. And you're like, oh, It's actually, like, what they told me it was gonna do.
Like, this is amazing. And the unfortunate part about Chaz, maybe talk about the the black eye in your business, but in any business. There's always the people who are gonna talk one thing. And then when you get in, it's like, this is not what I signed up for. This is not at all what it was supposed to be, whether it's a mastermind group, whether it's a a syndication deal, whether it's really anything. And so talk about that for a half second because I'm sure you have investors that come to you.
They're like, either a a deal went south or it was not how it was supposed to be, and they wanna do it. They believe, but they're just a little hesitant to give give the money. You know what I mean? Yeah. Yeah. That's that's true. Yeah. It's interesting now. I mean, yeah, it's, you know, we've had some some some challenges with the interest So real estate engine, anybody's in real estate right now. It there's some Chaz there's some challenges there.
When you go from basically a 0% federal rate to a, you know, 5 a half percent over 18 months, that's significant. Right? And and so even when people go to to buy, even if you do a great job of the property you have, somebody goes to buy, you know, they typically can't afford the metrics that you were planning on of what they were gonna afford to buy this. So so there have been some operational challenges we've had a deal or 2 that have really struggled. Right?
So I think it's it, you know, it's kinda eyes wide open. There is things that, you know, don't go according to plan. And, actually, every deal, and I always tell investors, hey. You know, things typically don't go as planned. You'll have some in some areas of the same deal that you'll go better than expected. Some that go Wolfe. Some that go about as expected, but it's all in in one deal. Right? It's never exactly the way that you would hope.
So I think in in the middle of that is, you know, you're looking for, you know, in any deal, and we we talk about this in the book, you know, fire yourself. Talk about how do you vet any deal? Right? And it's basically you have to really get to the bottom of the deal. Make sure you understand the deal itself Warren Buffett says we never invest in anything we don't understand. If you don't understand how it works, there's two parts that one is how will I make money doing this?
And what are what's the the 1 or 2 primary risks of how I could lose money? And if you don't if you feel like they're you don't understand the risks, then you don't understand the deal well enough because every investment has risks. And I ask other operators when I have a call, I say, because I passively invest as well. I say, well, what do you think the primary risk of this? What are the couple primary risks for this? I hear what they say. A lot of this different one than what I thought. Right?
So I'll take all that information. So I think it's, you know, there is you know, you could have a deal that goes way better than expected, and then you have one that does way worse than expected, and then you have other deals that kinda do average, and you're still gonna be turned out fine. Right? So it's this kind of thing of, like, you don't have to be perfect. It's funny. We'll have stock market goes down by 30%. It was like, oh, okay. Well, stock market goes up and down.
If you have private deals, oh my gosh, we're down, or we had a loss of 20%. It's like, what's in the world? Oh my gosh. I have a failure. It's like, Wolfe, no. You're not. Like, it's just it's just our mindset. Right? It's just, again, it's a mindset thing of how we look at it. I I love the even keel approach. Is that Is that a, I mean, inside of mindset? I agree with you. What are some of the building blocks to Chaz, though?
I mean, we're talking about emotional intelligence, we're talking about controlling thought, you know, a lot of a lot of really deep, you know, mindset stuff that you're talking about. How how did you get there? Yeah. So, you know, I I I never met a quote I didn't like, but I I do like quotes. Warren Buffet, but you have a great investor.
He he says Chaz, you know, somebody asks him, what's the best like, quality of an investor with, you know, if somebody has this quality, makes them a successful investment, if they don't. And he said the number one quality is your temperament. Which I thought was a very interesting response. Right? If you're somebody that loses their crap every time something happens and you, oh my gosh. Whatever. Right. It's like, you know, investing passively may be a little challenging for you. Right?
But I think in life, if you can have a stable temper you know, that, okay. This happens here and you can kinda talk yourself through it. It's not that I don't get upset or things don't happen, whatever, but if you can realize, hey. You know, we're gonna do this and you know, things are gonna go well in certain areas. They're not gonna go well in other areas, but I think just in general, I mean, the human bias is, you know, it's very it it's negative and it's very risk averse. Right?
So there's a book called Thinking Fast and Slow, which is a psychology book. It talks about we remember losses, you know, at least two to three times as much as we were regain. So if I lost a $100,000, that would be the same as me. I remember the same as as gaining 2 to $300,000. Right? I would try to avoid a loss as much possible.
But, again, if you have an equal thing of, like, you know, you're you're you're in a you're in a scenario where, you know, if it's 50, 50, 50 chance, you're gonna make you know, 200 k, but there's a a 5050 chance you could lose a 100 k. Yeah. You should take that every all day, right, because it's a better now, obviously, you know, this is a unique investment I'm describing because, you know, most invest, usually, they're not quite that biased either this or it's this.
But, again, we're just very loss So, again, it's really being able to manage your own temperament step back from something and say, okay. What is the deal? What does this actually look like? And if you can, you know, again, really manage your own temperament and then really develop that because I think it's just in life. I think that's a very helpful thing. Yeah. I agree with you.
I think that, the better you can control that and the better decisions that we make in general, not just investing, but also in your family, also as a dad, also in my community. You know? So I think that that's a that's a win for everybody. Let's talk about just something that's gone wrong.
I mean, we've kinda mentioned that, you know, maybe a couple bad deals, but, what I mean is, like, a particular decision that you made maybe in building the business where you just stay far far away from this one thing. What is it? Well, I I think what comes to mind, this isn't necessarily about my biz is related to my business, but not exactly. So when I first started, you know, getting into investment, I was looking different things.
It was like, I'm gonna I would take Friday afternoons, and I would just go to, like, a Starbucks and just brainstorm ideas. And this is why I was, you know, doing the medical sales stuff and I had a little bit time and space to do this. I was gonna start, like, a, you know, a mouth guard company that I could, you know, people could get night mouth guards that are custom and they'd mail. And so I just, you know, exploring different ideas And I I had this strategy I came across.
It was an options trading strategy, you know, dealing with stock options, which for me is trade traded stock options. There's some technical stuff there. And I I had this the strategy I kinda learned. I guess they're training on. I learned it. Okay. This is what I'll do. And so I started doing this. Yeah. My net worth at the time about, like, maybe 250 k. It wasn't very high, but I basically had the strategy I was making. You know, I made about $20,000 over 3 or 4 month period.
And then in one day, I did something where I didn't work the system correctly. I would have had a small loss, but I ended up not doing it. I I just I remember I was outside. I was wearing my medical scrubs and coming out of this hospital and looking at the on my laptop and the parking lot of this hospital, And I realized, oh my gosh, I just lost $70,000 in one day. So I went from, you know, making, you know, 20,000, and now I had it was I think it was a a loss of 70.
So I basically had a loss of, you know, a total loss for that whole period of about, you know, 50,000. But to lose 70,000 in one day, that was a hard day when that was through about a third of my net worth. And so so I think what I realized from that, you know, everything, nothing is a failure. That's one thing I've learned is that nothing is a failure. It's it's only we define it as a failure or not. Right? What I what I learned. Right? It's either a success or it's a seminar. Right?
So that was I mean, that day, that was a seminar. Right? I gotta, yeah, I got a $70,000 lesson that, you know, I'm not a great options trader. Right? People are options traders too. Usually, they're really good at, like, technical thing. They're, like, engineering mind and checklist. Yep. That's not me. That's not my best seat at the table. Right? I'm a much better work with people.
Look at the big picture, get a feel for people, the deal, what, like, that's the kind of stuff I love doing being a deal maker versus, I'm the guy technically working this very you know, so I'm giving kind of a long winded answer here, but I think No, sir. The takeaway is, you know, you know, don't look at things as as losses when you when you make a mistake or you go through something. You just everything to learn.
An an example of this, I have a a friend who was buying, you know, houses somewhere. Something went wrong. He had bed tenants, and they it cut literally 2 or 3 of his houses got trashed, and it was really a dis a a choice he made and not have a a a legit property manager, new background checks, whatever. I mean, it's something that but I think he defined that as Hey. Well, I'm a failure because these things happen, right, versus Chaz, oh, here's a lesson here. Right?
I see a lot of people get derailed because they take things really per versus no. This is all just information. It doesn't define me. It doesn't define who I am. It's just I can take this and learn, okay, what the lesson here is this. And it was, I'm not good at this. Okay. Well, let's not do this. Let's do this over here. Right? Yeah. You you mentioned psychology.
There's a book called learned optimism, and it breaks down really 3 kind of ways of thinking that spiral people out of optimism, permanent, pervasive, and per and taking things personally, basically. You've you've kinda touched on some of those things here, but if you can manage thoughts and emotions. Like, you talked about a few minutes ago, then you can have this. You know, I don't take things personally. Things are not permanent. Things are not pervasive.
And what that means is that it just is what it is. And then to your last point, as I get to define it, actually, and not just failures. I get to define everything. I can I can define every single situation, and I can add value to it, or I can ascribe value to it, or I cannot? And I can just say it's not valuable at all as I I was watching a video. This was several months ago of Alex fromozy, and he was on a podcast talking about, you know, trauma.
He's like, you know, 200 years ago, this thing that you're calling trauma Chaz was regular life 250 years ago. They they were just trying to survive, but you call it trauma. Is it trauma, or is that what what you're ascribing to it? Yeah. It's like Yeah. Dude, when you realize that it's that level of control of of what I can and cannot believe, then it's like, you become a little bit little bit powerful. A lot of it. Well, it's it's a good point.
There's a group called Landmark that does in Landmark does education, of course, and they talk about this that there's a story that we create. Right? So the idea of trauma or the idea of whatever it is. It's just simply a made up thing that we add our meaning to it. Right? So, you know, again, it's it's and I think that it became super powerful.
What I realized, like, I was living out story of things that happened when I was a kid or this happened when I was five or literally five or ten years old. And, you know, I may I made it mean all these things that it doesn't mean. Was just an interpretation that a kid makes when they're 5. And, you know, we live out of these things.
And I think as entrepreneurs, we live out of these own limitations that we put on ourselves when I realized that, you know, people that are are doing things that are just super next level, it's all just they just believe they're able to do it, and they had to work their own psychology, their own mindset to be able to get there. And so I think, you know, what you're doing with your group as well with your masterminds and Chaz you're you're on people do that. Right?
Home people to get through Chaz, the the those mind shifts to say, you know, that that's that's just not true. Right? And I think, you know, people can tell us, but it's when we realize ourselves that, you know, like, when this terrible thing happened in my life, it didn't mean I was a terrible person at all. It just mean that this thing happened. Like, it doesn't mean that okay. That's the fact. This is the fact that happened. And then the story, I I can create the story. Right?
It can be an empowering story or it can be a disempowering story. But when you create the empowerment, it's like, dude, this is thick. This gets a lot of fun. You know, this is like, I can do whatever I wanna do. I can be whatever I wanna be. And here I'm forty almost forty three years old. I'm just figuring this out. Right? It's awesome. Yeah. Everything's impossible until you know it's possible. Right? And that and that how you started it? I got a question. I'm gonna switch gears here.
I'm gonna get a question for you about family. Your daughter several times. Obviously, family's super important to you in time frame, passive investors are always talking about, you know, time freedom. And often that leads to family and other things, but as entrepreneurs, not so much necessarily investors, but as entrepreneurs, we're always building, and we're obsessed. Like, let's just be honest. We we we only know how to be all in or all out. And so I don't I don't like the word balance.
I like the word obsessed. Clearly, you figured out how to maybe be obsessed on the time frame with your family. But my question is practically, how have you been able to obsess over both? You're still doing deals even though you have time freedom. You're still doing other deals. You're still building. You're still obsessing over growth and net worth and but but yet you're still obsessing over your family at the same time. How are you doing that?
Yeah. I think, you know, again, it's a good question that the term balance is a term, like, how do you know that? I don't know. Like you said, it doesn't really exist. I just try to incorporate, okay, you know, how do I how do I live the things I value? How do I bring Is there a way with my daughter? Can I bring her into the business? Can we do things together? And, you know, I've found a couple ways to bring her.
She's ten years old, but, you know, she was shooting thumbnails for me a little while ago of, like, here's, you know, just getting pictures of me in different ways. We can use these for for YouTube or different things. So so to me, I I try to, you know, have goals. Like, I'll have goals that I create for the year. So I I usually go away at the end of the year for a little bit just to create those those annual because I read them every single morning.
One of my goals this year is to take your camping twice this year, right, which isn't a time, but it's like it's it's enough. Okay. We haven't really done a lot of camping. We've been once this year. We got another plan for next month. And, you know, also with with travel. You know, I've been traveled five times international this year. I've got another one, a couple week trip to New Zealand. So how do you how do you do the things you you value each?
I think it's just, you know, getting calendar saying, hey. This is what I wanna do with with my daughter. I wanted to get her into some sports. So we, you know, she really wasn't super excited to be here, but I sent her for soccer. And then she found that she really loves But to do that, I had to, like, we we didn't sign up quite on time. We signed, I guess, it was kind of really headed for me to sign up, so we signed up a little late. So I had to volunteer to be rights.
I've never referenced anything here. I'm like, now I'm a soccer referee. I'm gonna be up here calling on a whistle and making signals. But, you know, part of that part of it was I I actually embrace it because I was like, well, I wouldn't normally choose to be a soccer rep, but here's an opportunity to grow and learn I gotta spend time with my daughter, and it's another thing to do together.
So I think it's it's it's again, you know, cutting things out of your life to value to to do the things you value. And it's, again, continue looking at, you know, our I'm just looking at my schedule. Right? You know, what is on my schedule Chaz doesn't need to be there. What what is something I can give that over to who not have? Who can be doing that for me? So, like, spend more time with my daughter who kicking a soccer ball around, or I can travel or I can do these things that I wanna do.
And to me, the travel's really motivating. Hey. If I can write this book or kinda get this done on the plane on the way over, so that I can really enjoy my time when I'm in Japan or wherever I'm at. Right? So Yeah. Yeah. I love actually the the the piece there that you set around. Not only optimizing the things that you want or that living your values, but it's also cutting away the things that that maybe don't.
And it that's not necessarily cutting away the things that you don't value, It's just that the things that maybe someone else could do, because it's both hands. Like, you do need to cut away the things that you don't value that step 1. But eventually, you cut away the things that you still have value and or find value in, but someone else should be doing those things. And it frees up, then the more valuable piece, which is, in this case, your daughter. That's it.
What do you think is the thing that holds people back from doing that? I mean, you gave us some practical things on calendar and and living your values, but someone's listening right now, going like, I know I need to be doing these things, but they're stuck. Yeah. What what's holding them there? Yeah. You know, I have a friend who runs a business, a good friend, go to church where he runs a business in his fifties. He has a 100 plus employees.
And, you know, he goes through seasons where it's like, I can't even reach him. It's just, like, from some months at a time, they don't come by whatever. Just thinking, like, I don't know that that's the right way to and it's not wrong. He can just stretch whatever he wants, but Right. I just it's not the way I wanted to do it. And that's where I found things of, like, a a self managing company, a term a self managing company where I'm not needed in the business.
It sounds like many people that have 5 businesses. They're like, well, how do you have 5 businesses? Well, I've got managers of all the businesses. Right? And if you really think about it, you know, a business should be able to run without you. Now I have a business that my business called Bronson Equity. It's, like, around my name. Right? But even Chaz I believe that I don't have to be doing all this stuff. I wanna be involved in the content creation. And so I guess the stuff I really enjoy.
That's the stuff I wanna be doing. I'll be doing this strategy and that stuff. But the other stuff I don't wanna be doing. And so as I grow, So I I I think, you know, it's just I think it's this false belief that I I've got to do this. Right? And so it's the who not how. It's like, I've got this problem. You know, how can I solve this problem? Whether in my personal life or in my business, and really the better question is who is gonna solve this for me.
And I think it's just continually believing that that's true. And I've I'm just looking at my list here. I was like, I've got another role I need to hire. And I'm like, well, I wanna give someone over. I've gotta get to a place where I can trust that someone's gonna do is gonna take a little more them trained up and do it. There's gonna be a cost involved with that. That's a very high paid role. But when I can do that, that's gonna lead to a lot more freedom for me. Right?
So may not be the place to do it, but that's how people get more freedom, right, is they figure out, okay, where's my time going? What am I doing? There's actually a great book about this called buyback your time. It just talks about that. How do you actually buy back your time? And then you just okay. I'm doing this. Well, I I don't wanna be doing this. Why do I teach this? And I have somebody else do this. Yeah. Super powerful. Brunson, I wanna go to one more question.
A little different angle here. I wanna know if you had the opportunity to whisper in the younger Bronson's ear. What would you tell him? I tell him just, you know, take the biggest, obviously, the biggest risk. Take take more risk to be willing to to try harder, bigger, you know, don't don't stop because you've never done it. Don't just go out and try to change the world right away because, you know, if I'd started at 20 or 25 or whatever, it it's been so much further along.
And so it's just Again, continue to, you know, go after the bigger things that you think you never could do or or just pay to get in rooms of people that are far ahead of where you are right now. Yeah. I think that those are really powerful. And I like I like how you said, you know, yes, you'd be further along.
I mean, of course, we could always, you know, change a couple things and be further along, but the the impact of, you know, that decision would be just probably that you just would have gone for, or you just would have been maybe more fulfilled even. Just like the the result of the going for it just could have happened sooner. And and and it's courage, actually. Chaz that will comes through that is go for it. Yeah. Don't hesitate. Yeah. Yeah. I think it's courage.
Yeah. I think it's, you know, and we're not all in a place where we can just do that. Right? Somebody's listening like, hey. I've, you know, got my business. You know, you have 3 kids at home and spouse doesn't work or, you know, there's different different seasons we can do.
But I still think, you know, a lot of times there's things we can do, especially if, you know, if you're married, you can roll your spouse, and, hey, is this I could do on the side for this season of time to help create this bigger thing. Right? So I was able to do that where I I left a a job where I spent 30 hours or 23 hours a week doing the medical sales stuff. And then I spent 30 hours a week plus doing real estate stuff over a couple year period. I was able to lead by doing that. Right?
And so that opened up opportunity. So I think it's, you know, again, there's the only risk in that is that I spend my time and my efforts and maybe some money doing this. But at the end of it, you're gonna learn a lot. You're gonna learn that this either works. It didn't work or maybe I should shift over here. You're gonna meet amazing people, and it's gonna produce a ton of growth. So that's the stuff that I love.
It's just really continuing to allow ourselves to become, a a better version, you know, con to try different things. And I think it's the It's the it's the part where we we don't allow ourselves to try and fail. That's difficult. When I left my job on a social store quickly, my cousin who's family guy who kinda got me into multifamily. He said, hey. You should read this book called, before you quit your job. And it's by Robert Kiyosaki, wrote rich at Portadd before you quit your job.
And I said, well, bro, I I'm I'm leaving my job. Like, I don't need to read this book. I'm actually leaving it. What's that? Yeah. So that I I'm having to hold to him. I said, okay. Fine. I'll read it. And so I read it, and it basically talked about a couple things. One was, you know, as an employee, you can't make mistakes. Because if you make mistakes, you'll get fired. Right? That's what will happen if you're an employee. You'll you get fired as an entrepreneur.
You have to make a lot of mistakes. You gotta be willing to make a lot of mistakes. Yeah. And quickly learn. You just and he describes it that being an entrepreneur is, like, jumping out of an airplane without a parachute and trying to assemble one before you hit the ground. Anybody who's an entrepreneur Chaz really do that, right, is you're just trying to figure it out. But, again, it's just getting in a different mind's mind space or or mind shift. So a story came to mind.
I wanted to share that. Yeah. No. It's huge. I think that I'm glad it didn't deter you from from leaving that job, but but it you're right. That really the key to success in business is the opposite of what it's like to be successful in a in a job. It's like, no, I wanna do all the failures. In fact, I've said many times, it there's just if if there's, like, a quota of failures, I'd rather just get them all out of the way now.
Can we just can we just do all those now so I can get to the success part? So I appreciate your perspective here today. How can the listener with you Chaz they're just intrigued with following you following your content. Obviously, you create Chaz, or they're looking for a place to invest. How can they how can they get connected with you? Yeah. So the best way I love connecting with with folks on investing, we have this this free ebook. It's called how to use inflation to your advantage.
It's right here. It's fifty pages. At my website, bronsonequity.com. That's the best way to connect, and then you can start a we also have our investor club there. And then I've got our book books my book's coming out to fire yourself. On Amazon. So you can find it there as well. So really excited to be able to launch Chaz. And, you know, it's a lot of fun, man. Thanks for having me today. Absolutely.
Yeah. We'll put all that in the show well, make it easy for them to not only connect with you, but also grab that book. Again, giving giving the strategies away for people to to live free in less than 3 years, I think, is not only just an incredible feat. And so congratulations, but you're doing a service to the world, man. And so I hope that you emancipate all those all those people that that that you need to free and and that many people listening here today take you up on that.
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Than just tearing by yourself by doing it all on What I have realized is not only my own buy So I have realized not only multiple industries, now interviewing multiple businesses, or small 100 industries, and now they're very successful for 7, 8, 900 business owners. Is that successful 7, 8 times for the owner. And so gathering the Kings exists. It's tough to do it alone. 2. And so gathering the king's successful for nerds. In to, we are putting together success launch for nerds.
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