On today's episode of Gathering The Kings. College never prepares you or being in the trades never really prepares you Right. To be in business for yourself. I mean, they give you the basics, but until you've actually done it and lived it, just cannot prepare you for that. You are listening to Gathering the Kings with Chaz Wolfe Gathering fellow 78 and even 9 figure business owners who have real battle scars from business and life, but have prevailed as the king that they are designed to be.
We welcome high performing entrepreneurs to the stage in order to reveal the real of the real on what it takes to build a successful business today. We dissect good and bad decisions they've made along the way that give a true and accurate picture of the journey of success and how you too can get The Through this dialogue, you will learn the value of growing your network and surrounding yourself with power players and Kings like today's guest.
Grab your pen and notebook because we're about to dive in. What's up, everybody? I'm Chaz Wolfe, Gathering the Kings podcast today. I've got Scott Hines here on the Kings stage. My brother, how are you? I'm good. How are you? And thank you for having me. Of course. It's pleasure to have you, and we were just talking off air a little bit. You're in the mobile unit today. I've I've done several of these shows with Kings like yourself in the mobile chariot. Yes. The mobile office.
The mobile office. Yep. I appreciate you taking the time to do so. Tell us what kind of business that you got, brother. So we are funeral quality construction out of Toledo, Ohio. We are a design build preventable Kings firm. Love a lot of kitchens, bathrooms, and a way up to a full house remodels, additions, 99% residential. 8 employees right now. We do about $2,000,000 a year and growing, you know, Current road map to to bring next year and continue to grow.
Well, started as carpenter contractors back in 2001 kind of evolved as the economy evolves through the past 20 years in Kings Turned to remodeling and never looked back. It just was a fit for us. Yeah. We have more active staff right now The carpent design staff. Wolfe have a few carpet design staff. We have project designer, project manager, myself Chaz production manager, an estimator, My wife is the office manager, project coordinator, and then 3 carpenters on staff. Love it.
So, yeah, we love it. It's a fit for us. The team works Great to Gathering. The customers are starting to realize Chaz the benefit of working with us at our family dynamic is Yeah. They continue to come back. So that's a good thing. We love it. That's cool.
Yeah. There's one thing that that you mentioned before we hit the record button that you know, the you and your wife are really building this culture that represents family and and and there's a there's a a difference there when and even as Chaz consumers, I'm sure you and I can both relate, taking ourself out of the business hat for a second and going, when we've dealt with business owners or businesses that are family cultured or family oriented, there's just another level.
Another another level of care, another level of attention to detail usually, And so I'm I'm excited to have those maybe detailed conversations with you here in a bit when it comes to your story. We'll definitely dive into that. Before we do that, I wanna know I wanna know what makes you tick. Like, you're obviously at a at a successful enough level. Why are you pushing still? Why why why do you have growth plans from here? Most people are trying to get to where you are.
Why are why are you trying to grow from here? Honestly, it's it's just I wired that way. I I have to always try to do a little bit better. Always see expectations with my customers and myself for that matter. I enjoy seeing projects come together. I enjoy seeing our customer spaces when the project is done, and they're just, oh my gosh, it was far greater than I ever expected, but yeah. And not only that, but my staff, I wanna see them grow. So in order for them to grow, the company has to grow.
So we're always striving to do better, better communication, better leading, and quality, better Yeah. You name it. So Chaz, and as I'm getting older, I I know retirement succession is coming. So that's right. I want to build something that Either I can pass on to whether it's family, my staff, or outright sell it someday so that we could have a a nice retirement. Yeah. Yeah. What do you think?
Like, I mean, all of those things are, you know, like, we we've heard as entrepreneurs, we've heard those. I'm built like this. You know, I wanna build something for legacy for my for my family. How did you come to know those Kings? Like, is that is there a layer deeper than that even, or has is there something along the way that's happened that's given you that insight of, like, okay. I gotta keep Kings. Or, you know, give me some more of thought there.
It's it's the people that I surround myself with. Like, a lot of it is, oh, how do I put it? I just The businesses that I'm around, I I belong to some certain networking breach. And, you know, it's just that ceiling of accomplishment and, yeah, grounding yourself with the the right kind of people and giving you that extra push just to do better, do great. And it's just embedded in me. Yeah. So every day, No matter how good things are, I'm always thinking of ways. How can we make this better?
And my wife is the same way. And, actually, my my staff is that We were just kind of trained ourselves to, you know, always do that new step here just to exceed expectations and yeah. You know, we have happy customers and clients that way. Yeah. 100%. I love what you said about your your team. Obviously, you and your wife being on the same page is huge. We Chaz probably spend the whole podcast just on husband wife dynamic in the business and and you guys being on the same page.
But what you said after that struck me because it it's been a a big differentiator in in pull of my companies is that when you have a team that exudes that same less level up, let's go to the next level personally, and collectively as a team. Let's go to the next level. What does that mean? Do I need to get more training? Do I need to get more understanding? Do I do we go the extra mile?
Like, do we make the process better, how do we make the product better, whatever, when you had this obsession, this general team obsession, around leveling up, just this concept of never quite there. Not that we're not not that we're not thankful or grateful, but we're just not satisfied. Like, there's still yet more to achieve Is that what do you think that you have inside your team? Because that's what it heard. That's I mean, that's what I heard you say. We do. We do.
Yeah. It's never, you know, it's never that mindset on it. It's never good enough. It's just, you know, it's just that continuous improvement that that Kings where the name started from Total Quality Construction came from back in my college days reading books on Total Quality Management. It's stuck. It's stuck since then. I've hired people and worked with people that all have that same mentality. Oh, how can we how can we do better? You know, let's make this great.
And and I realized early on that My expertise might be in sales or carpentry. I need someone that does design work. I need someone that's a good communicator with customers. I need someone to to, you know, my wife, my she's the office manager, and she creates these procedures Chaz, allows us to communicate better with our staff. Yeah. And and our customers and our trades and never realized early on Chaz was so important. The communication Kings essential. The, yeah? Sorry.
Yeah. It's the client journey. If you can if you can if you can highlight each individual touch point that you have or should have, with your client as they go through the experience of your company and then assign ownership to someone on your team to each individual touch point. That's how you know, not only is it gonna get done, that's how you can provide training to your team Chaz well as then assure that your customer is gonna get just an incredible experience each touch point along the way.
Alright. Let's jump into your story here, Scott. I wanna know you kinda mentioned college, you know, did you always think you're gonna be a business owner? Were was it how you were raised? Tell us tell us the before story of, you know, before you before you became a business owner and and why. Well, early on, I started as a carpenter even during high school. My my uncle was a contractor, started with him and, you know, basic carpentry task around when they were building houses. And it's stuck.
I wanna graduate high school. I went to work for another contractor and Kings worked my way up in the ranks, started learning the trade, Chaz actually got hired by another contractor and became a carpenter foreman. K? A couple friends working with me and one of my friends in general, his dad was a a builder, and we started doing a lot of side stuff on nights weekends helping him build houses to the point where eventually we said we were working 7 days a week, long days, and Yeah.
I was in college at the time as Wolfe, so studying business management. The idea was in my head that, you know, maybe someday after college graduation, and start your own thing. And The ironically had a job offer from a developer to build some condos on a golf course talked to a friend of mine and said, you know, I'll be ready for The. And we decided, yes. And framing condos for this developer Wow. And and then word spread.
We start framing houses and all the way up to commercial buildings and at one time. Got as large. We had up to 40 carpenters. I was traveling around. It wasn't was a good learning experience. I guess I'll put it that way. What I found out is, you know, there's a there's a handful of people in your company Chaz, I guess when I we we hired because everything got so busy, and this was Right? Oh, mid nineties, mid to late nineties. I think that's so busy that we just start hiring bodies.
And I'm gonna find out It's hard to find really, really good, reliable help. Yeah. What's The year's progress, great recession came. First to downsize. And during this time, I kind of before this happened, I seen it coming and went and got my contractor's license and started doing some government work. I realized that the economy was gonna bad. The government work should, you know, keep us busy as it did. A lot remodeling energy or tree goods on homes, light abatement, things like that.
Kept us busy, kept a small group busy. Yeah. Into the point where we had downsized and went from an actual office building to having the office at home, which I don't think I would do that again. It was nice. Now, you know, our office is outside the house again. Yeah. It was hired to have that separations. My recommendation is if you are gonna have an office at have a separate entrance so you Chaz at least Leave your house and enter an office vice versa at the end of the day.
Yeah. Otherwise, you just it's nonstop. You just felt like I could never escape. Right. And then, you know, as we were doing this general contracting and remodeling, it just kind of The from there and built built built to the point where I decided that I needed to get a designer in house. Hang on. Yeah. The. That was 7 years ago. I still have the same designer, and it's involved from there. Yeah. And it continues to grow.
As a matter of fact, or look at double our space and our current office space next year Yeah. To start hiring some people because continue to to grow. Yeah. Yeah. That was basically how it started. It Kings of started in college with the idea. And then just an opportunity came Yeah. Sweped you away, so I'm like yeah. And we felt we were ready for it. I mean, we did some planning and training beforehand, but That's how it started.
Yeah. Well, I mean, I appreciate in one breath, you saying, you know, you you you chatted with your your partner and saying, hey. Are we ready for this? And then in the second breath, you'd really never done it before, not at that scale. So I just appreciate that. I think that every entrepreneur probably listening today can relate to Yeah. Yeah. I'm ready.
And then knowing in the backhand, like, you know, so I I appreciate that part of your story because then you got into this, like, oh my gosh, 40 contract or 40 carpenters on your on your team. I mean, that's huge. Like, that is a lot of moving pieces a lot of projects happening all at the same time, probably some pretty big ones. And then for you to be able to downsize, so I wanna get into some of this because know, there's a lot of people who went through 2007,89 and didn't make it.
I've had a lot of folks here on the show in real estate that were like, dude, I lost everything. And so you know, for you to be able to weather that storm the way that you did and to be able to come out on the other side looking completely different, it sounds like, but still alive, still active and doing well. I wanna dive into some of that. So let's talk about your good decision.
Somewhere early on, so I I wanna I wanna give you 2 opportunities because it sounds like you've had Kings of, like, 2 early ons.
Early on number 1 was maybe when you were building that framing, carpentry crew, right out of college, or early number 2 was maybe the recession and you had to Kings switch to remodeling, what would you say a good decision was that you made tactically inside the business that you can look back and go because of this one decision a lot of other things, you know, happened. Oh, I mean, definitely, I'd kill 1, I will say marrying my wife. That's it. Yeah. She's my support.
She keeps me, you know, moving, and she's just Why right hand woman? Absolutely. Yeah. I love that. And she's intelligent. Number 2 Wolfe be joining networking. College never prepares you or being in the trades never really prepares you to be in business for yourself. Fuck. I mean, they give you the basics, but until you've actually done it and lived it, I just cannot very sure Chaz.
And And I I had joined a networking group probably for the first time, maybe 6, 7 years ago, and I wish I would have done it early on because it is such a huge help more than not only to have other business owners giving you feedback, but just to share in some of the worst stories in it, and being able to find people to relate to I always struggled with, you know, as you're as you're progressing through college or as you're working for a
company, you always have someone to fall back on, you have a mentor, and then you go into business, and it's like, I'm it. It was just nice to have any people in the networking group that you can share some of The issues that you have as a business owner. Share some of the victories that you have as a business owner and and share ideas and help The another grow. It was nice to have that person just The vet to. Yeah. Yeah. Joining a networking group, it's a game changer.
I can't recommend Chaz. Enough. Yeah. It's interesting how you how you use the word venting. I've had several folks inside, Gathering the Kings mastermind, both the 6 figure and the 7 plus figure side. Say that same thing. Sometimes it's not about strategy of tactics. Yes. There's plenty of that and and the feedback that you've gotten from those groups you know, for you personally. Sometimes it's just having the ability to share with someone who is also at that level.
Not not, like, at a certain money level. Yeah. That's a piece of it, but, like, an understanding, they're going through the same thing that you are in business. They're building a team. They're they're dealing with customers. Because as an entrepreneur, what you just said is that we have all these people around us, but not many of them are entrepreneurs like us. They're not cut from the same cloth we are. We're kind of alone in that way. Wolfe you add anything to that?
Yeah. And it's you know, there's a there's a almost a lonely feeling as a as a business owner sometimes, and people don't understand what it is to be Chaz that business owner and, some of the stress and hardships that you go through. And then When you get into a a a networking group or a roundtable group of other business owners, there's a feeling of camaraderie, and I don't know what's just You don't feel so alone. So it's a good thing. There's a community.
I had this vision, as far as, like, a video that I wanna create. I haven't created it yet, but what you just said there Kings helped me remember this when I when I first started getting out of the Kings, I had this vision of, you know, like, you Gathering and all these other kings coming to the table and and taking off the crowns and laying them down on the table and us discussing matters of Kings. You know?
But Chaz that visualization of taking off the crowns really is, like, you know, even though I'm in a different industry, I might do more revenue or less revenue, like, depending upon our situations, but, like, We kinda lay all that down to the side and say, okay. How can I help? How can you help me? What what visually or tactically or you know, experience wise or connection wise, can we can we genuinely grow with each other?
And I think that that that takes a certain humility to say, like, number 1, I need help. I am alone. But then to find value in others, which is that almost like, like, again, that representation of taking off the crown, like, I I'm amongst peers. I don't need to I don't need the crown to, like, express my authority or my dominance here in this room because I'm I'm amongst peers, and there's a value there, emotionally, to be able to you know, be in that place where you can share.
Would you add anything to that? Yeah. I call it contractor counseling. Contractor Counseling. Contractor Counseling. It's like you're in a group and everybody's had similar situations at different parts of their business. So I mean, every everyone can relate and and give you feedback, or maybe you haven't had that issue yet, but they make there's an awareness. Oh, this is what I should be looking for. So it's yeah. Being proactive. Yeah. But yeah. 100%. Hey, Kings and Queens.
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Let's help each other grow. Let's flip the coin, Scott. Tell me about a bad choice or a decision that you made that, you know, didn't turn out way the way that you thought it was going to. This is a big The. To me is just not trusting your your instinct and Kings with the wrong client from the wrong project. K. Be it be it because or it's not strong. There's not a lot of work out there or Right? Because that customer dangled that carrot in your face.
It was a big dollar project and The right kind of project, but customer just you know, something telling me that, you know, probably not a good fit for this customer. Just really getting that sense of really qualifying your jobs or qualifying your customer so that They're a good fit for not only me, but for my team, and we're a good fit for them. So Okay. You know, I've I've done some projects in the past. Right?
My instinct was telling me The isn't a project for us, or this customer is not the right customer for us. And proceeding, and now it doesn't matter to me what that carrot is or, you know, if I don't feel that someone's the right set, it's almost Like, The say, higher slow and fire fast, basically. Right. Yep. I mean, the same with with customers, you know, if if if it's not a good stick to your company, don't do it.
Yeah. Yeah. Do you do you find, I mean, because there's a certain level of scarcity, right, that that drives people into accepting that job or that client or even a higher, right, but we can put all these in the same category. We're we're driven to make that even even when, like you said, you your instinct said, don't do it, but you did it anyway because you didn't have the sales you needed to or maybe things were low or you had guys that weren't busy, and so that was gonna be an expense.
Like, there's usually The scarcity or this, I'm afraid or lack of money or lack of sales. Like, Well, what what what are your thoughts there as far as, like, what was driving you, or what do you see driving other people to continue to make that bad decision over and over? Well, you get this idea in your head that there's a certain kind of project that you wanna do and and or a certain size of project that you wanna do. And maybe that project seems to be the right fit. Buxtoner is not.
Or, you know, we have a a design process and a production process that we like to follow and then certain customers go into it with, well, this is the process that I wanna follow. I don't wanna follow the process. And that's a big no no right there. I mean, you know, if you have a process that works for you and works for projects in the past, then you should follow that process regardless. But Yeah. Yeah. It could it could be, you know, cash at the time, you know, cash flow is low.
So, you know, you're taking on what you can or It's the right project, but wrong customer. I mean, there's a lot of reasons why, you know, the decisions are made. Me now looking back, I don't feel it was a bad decision because I've learned a lot from it, but Right. I definitely would think twice for doing that again. Yeah. Yeah. And I think I think the solution now that I can just point out for the listener. Number 1 is to overcome the scarcity is You just go get more deals.
You get you put yourself in front of more estimates, more clients, more projects. And if you have a 100 to choose from, you can pick the 3 that absolutely that you love. If you only have 3 to choose from, you're more likely to pick something that maybe you shouldn't. And so that that's a a really easy know, just go get more deals. That's obviously there's a whole process to that, and you gotta have marketing and sales and and fun stuff like that.
But the other piece that you just were saying is that Your process. Like, you have to be so confident and so trusting. And, like, if I'd if I say no to this one, Chaz there's gonna be another one coming down the pipe somewhere that'll be a better fit. And that's, again, Kings of, maybe tied to your sales process, like like I just talked about.
But what Scott's talking about more so is his belief or his confidence in his team and their process, and they just believe it so much that they can provide the value that they wanna provide through this specific process Chaz they're just not willing to you know, go around that. Alright. So let me flip the script again here. You're right. It's not a bad choice. You learn through that. Obviously, every every guest I've had on the show seems to iterate at some point. Like, look, yes.
It didn't turn out the way I thought, but it was something that I learned from. So taking that, let me parlay into my next question, which is what's your process now for decision Kings? Right? What's your process now when a decision comes to your desk so that you don't make the bad decision, you know, maybe not as often at least. I guess The is is really just palifying, you know, customers and and making sure that they're a good fit and for your process.
You're allowing their contractor to work with them as a team versus, you know, the micromanaging. And a formula that I use is no matter what, if you start it, finish it. In the end, you know, there's there's little feelings of accomplishment, whether that project is going great or whether that project is going bad, but at least if you get it, don't.
But if it's going bad, then get it then as fast you can and get out of there and get down, get on to the next, you know, great customer and great project. Right? Good. But I finish it. I mean, to me, that's very important. Started to ask. Fleet it. So I I I'm hearing you say, I mean, it kinda goes back to just a couple minutes ago about you having a process being so confident with your process that you're you're basically unwilling to waiver.
And so even your decision making process is kinda pinned up against, okay, whether it's a client, whether it's a person that we're hiring for our team, whether it's a move that we're making in our business, does it support our current process that we know, love, believe, are confident in? And if it doesn't, you Kings just your sticklers, on we we don't do that, or we don't hire that person, or we don't work with that person because it doesn't fit our process.
The the years, you know, we, you know, you would allow customers to, you know, say we we gave them an estimate for a large project, but, you know, they Chaz Well, it's over Frank or something that did part wanted to do part of the project, and you could allow that. Well, today No. It's it's a team effort. You know, if you're gonna hire 1 of us, you're gonna hire all of us. The whole team. Yeah. And it works.
You know, we work with the same people on every project, you know, same traits, and our design process works in the way we communicate. We've had a lot of success with it. So, yeah, if if early on, if we get that feeling that people just aren't interested in the process, The might Chaz be the contractor for you? Yes. 100%. Love that. Alright. I'm gonna hit you with The speed round questions here, Scott. Want you to take your business. I want you to dwindle it down to 1 trackable metric.
If you could only pick 1 to track forever and ever, What would it be? I would have to say it's gonna sound a little bit cheesy, but happiness. Okay? And that would be for staff, clients, trade suppliers, everyone. You could track Chaz. And I mean, in terms of happiness with us and our product. Sure. And and the environment. Chaz was able to track easily and make sure everybody's happy and happy, then things are bound to go well. Yeah. Yeah. Happyness.
How do you how do you I mean, obviously, there's different angles of that, and I'm sure you're tracking pieces of that now. Do you have any examples of how how maybe you're trying to track happiness in those different angles? We do. We do. We do all reviews.
Yeah. Yeah. We do evaluations just to not only from you know, our customers, but reach out to babies and some suppliers, some vendors, back to our staff constantly about You know, not only are you happy here, but are you getting what you need here to be happy, not only at work, but at home? Yeah. It's very important. Yeah. That's good. K. What book would you recommend for a 6 figure business owner, Scott? So one that I'm reading right now is called The remodeling I've my Paul Winin.
K. It says it's a story very similar to my own. So I can relate. Started as a as a tradesman. Worked his way all the way up with his wife as a matter of fact to retirement and decided that they did not to have their their family take over the business. They sold the company and made a nice profit. Yeah. Now they are facilitators and So it's a good bulk. It's a good read. So That's great. That's great. Do you I don't think that yeah. Exactly. Remodeling Wolfe.
We'll put in the show notes for listener. Do you is that is that your exit strategy to sell, or are you handing it down to the next generation? What do you think is your plan? I'm not totally sure. Yeah. That's actually on my I part of my to do list is. Yeah. I have I have 2 daughters. I have fantastic staff. Yeah. We're not exactly sure we've talked about it briefly, but that will probably be lots of possibilities. Yeah. That will be probably the next planning stage.
Yeah. That's next for $20 construction. Yeah. Of course. I mean, I think that a lot of people probably wait too long just because you're planning to exit doesn't mean that you're Gathering. And I think a lot of people don't wanna give up that that, you know, that build. Like, we're builders. That's really what we are. We're we're I'm I'm not in remodeling, but We're builders. We we we put things together. We we we build teams. We build people. We build projects.
And I think high performers, we we think exit. We think you know, sit on the porch and and drink The, and and that doesn't sound super exciting to us. And so it doesn't have to be like that at all. I think it's a matter of just the next step whether that's selling and starting something new or holding on to this business, helping someone on your staff take it over. I mean, there could be so many cool pieces of what building looks like in the next phase.
If we phrase it that way, I think it sounds a little more engaging to our to our very high performing brains. Yeah. Yeah. And somehow, consulting is somehow in the cards in there somewhere. That's really what my life and I wanna do is try to help up and coming contractors and new business owners and share a little bit of what we've been through and hopefully give him some tips. Yeah. That's exciting. Speaking of helping other entrepreneurs, you've talked a lot about networking and master mining.
My question here in the speed round is, what do you think about this? You've already Kings given us lots of thoughts on that. What would you say to the listener here today who's maybe never joined in networking or mastermind? Cause they're obviously different. I never really spent time on relationships. What would you say to that person who maybe they haven't spent the The? Maybe they don't wanna spend the money. They don't see the value. What would you say?
I would say give it a second look because to me, it was a game changer. I remember one of my first networking group, and it when it was presented to me. And at the time, we were, I would say, was post recession, but So we were very frugal at the time, and some of these Right. Groups can be a little pricey, but now looking back Chaz I've been with the group Yeah. There is no way that I would not be in a networking group. If I have a business, I would be in a I mean, that's that's a no brainer.
Yeah. It is it is essential. It's just good business health. Yeah. It's funny that you that your mindset went specifically to that place of I wouldn't do it without it.
That's literally what I what I say to contractors or tech guys or real estate guys that join Gavin and the Kings mastermind is that our target literally is is to provide so much value, not just from us, my team, but from the other folks in the group, like you're saying, so that at the end of the 1st year, you're like, not do I wanna sign up again? It's I would not imagine doing life or business in any other format.
Because once you have that, once you first off, sometimes people don't realize The the void, like you're talking about, Sometimes it's a lonely feeling. They they know it, but they don't really know it. But once you fill that void of like, wow. This is what it's like to have you know, comrades like you said or running buddies or, you know, just accountability or or just some help. It's it's tough to move forward without that because it it is a game changer. So appreciate those thoughts.
Next question for you. Actually, last question is if you lost it all, Scott, I wanna know at this level, What would you do? I would start again. You can't you can't take the knowledge away. You can't take the experience away. So that's right. Yes. Is it possible that you could lose everything tomorrow? Yes. But periods and their knowledge is The, so I would start again. Hopefully, where I am today a whole lot faster. That's right. So, yeah, let's start again.
Yeah. Yeah. I was gonna say The persistence piece for you of of just keeping Kings, I mean, you've been doing this longer than probably the the listener. And, you know, you saying that you were building in the nineties and and then going through the recession, we're probably heading into what might be your second recession And and to hear a guy like you say, I would just do it again, or I would just persist. I would just keep going. Right? Like, okay. I lost it all, but I would just keep going.
I think gives an immense amount of inspiration, confidence to somebody listening here today who's like, oh, man, should I do this? Should I not? Should I go work for somebody else? Should I do that, you know, just this constant back and forth on on is it worth it? And what I'm hearing you say through that is, not only is it worth it, but You would do it again. Even if you lost it all, like, in the worst case scenario, you'd do it all over again. Would you like to add anything to that? I Wolfe.
Because, you know, touching on that recession that is pretty much calming at some point sooner, hopefully later. You know, I remember thinking Chaz the last recession is Wolfe. You know, there was a labor shortage. And before the recession, you had started, and now the recessions here, what's gonna happen you know, to the companies that, you know, pulled through this. I remember thinking that I was like, we pulled through The, and the economy picks up. The numbers are less.
Contractors are gonna be so busy, and that's exactly what happened. And how times, you know, contractors are busier now than they've been. Yeah. And I have everything. And I think if there's going to be another recession, then to me, that this being start planning for what to do during the recession, and start planning for what's gonna happen after that recession because that means, you know, good thing about a recession is after that there's huge opportunities to grow and expand after that.
So Right. Don't quit. Keep fighting. Love it. That's a great way to end. How can the listener find you, Scott? They wanna connect with you further. They wanna get a couple nuggets from you. Maybe they're in your area. They wanna come meet you. How can they The? Facebook, totalqualityconstruction.com is our website, and then really just look us up unit search. We're not only contractor to lead to Ohio. Pop up. Yeah. You'll find all of our contact information on The sites. Love it.
We're happy to oblige. Yeah. I know you've been incredible here today. Thank you for the time. Of course, your insight, your decades of experience. We just wish you nothing but success in your family and and your family culture that you've built. It sounds like an amazing business. And so thank you for sharing. Thank you for being here. Absolutely. Thanks for having me, Chaz. Yeah. Thank you for listening to Gathering the Kings today.
I hope that you were able to pull out a few nuggets to go apply into your business right away. More importantly, though, I hope that you're realizing that it takes more to be Kings it all on your own, carrying the weight all by yourself. What I have realized not only in my own journey from multiple business and multiple different industries and now interviewing over 2 or 300 The very successful 7, 8, and 9 figure business owners is that It's tough to do it alone.
And so gathering the Kings exists to bring together successful entrepreneurs. In fact, we are putting together 1000 Kings, specifically who are grateful, but not done. We're intentionally assembling Kings who fight tooth and nail for their business, family, and communities, and here's what we believe Chaz in the pursuit of excellence in those areas, that it ignites within us the responsibility to govern power and forge a lasting legacy.
So if that relates and and resonates with you, and you know that you need people around you, sharp, qualified other very successful business owners. I want you to go to gathering The Kings dot com. Want you to take a look at what we're doing and see if it makes sense for you to be part of our pursuit to 1000 kings. Talk soon.