On today's episode of Gathering The Kings. I do think that this whole boss bitch mentality, I think, is is ruining our culture. And I think that you can still be a boss, but be feminine, and you will stand so highly regarded in your power. Like, I mean, I have so many male clients, but I think what I bring to the table is it's like a lioness, like a very feminine touch. Right? What's up, everybody? I'm Chaz Wolfe, gathering the Kings podcast. I'm coming to you with a special edition.
I'm actually recording right now. It is 8 PM Kings City time. I never record this late, but there is an exception that I make to every single rule. And that rule or that exception, rather, Her name is Justine Pogrowski. Welcome, Queen Justine. How are you? Thank you so much. Firstly, thank you for that wonderful introduction, and I like how you added the word queen in your high ed. Probably stuck for life with all my intros.
So Well, they said I had a a a face for radio, so I had start doing the The. You know? It's for radio. Perfect. Well, Justine, you you you really are, a special guest that you're coming from the land of Australia across the other half of the Wolfe. I've been to Australia, but we'll get to hear in a second. I wanna know what kind of business that you have. Firstly, I'm so humble. Thank you so much for having me on the Gathering King's podcast.
It is such an awesome title for a podcast, by the way. So just wanna connect you and your team for what you're doing in the world. Secondly, I run a company called $1,000,000 Branders, so it's a brand digital agency, and we build legacy brands for the experience age. So, I mean, in these times with II and all this bouncy stuff coming out, I think the one thing that people all have in common or most people who wanna leave a fingerprint on the world is they wanna build a legacy.
So we do that through online and offline because we believe that it's not just about digital connection. It's about your presence, whether it be online, or offline. So that's basically we're a boat service agency, and we bring your brand to the Wolfe, and we shine light on you. And I love it. Absolutely not work. Light people up. I love it. I I think that, you know, if I if I'm hearing your value statement The, and it's really honing in on on legacy driven newer, legacy driven brands.
And and so I'm curious for you. What does what does legacy mean? I think it's something that's left behind after you're not here anymore. And it's something that's gonna impact way after your bond in a world that is ever changing. So it doesn't matter. I mean, if you fast forward 40 years from now, the world can be completely different, but your principles and your values will still remain relevant. And I think that's what a legacy brand is.
And not just about a brand, a business, a company, your presence as a person. You know, I work with a lot of personal brands ranging from NASCAR drivers to top directors and entrepreneurs who are doing incredible things in the Wolfe, and That's what I strive to do. That's what I'm doing with my life, and it's an amazing job. It's, blessed, truly. Yeah. Yeah. I I love Chaz. I'd I'd be curious to know your opinion of the opposite of that.
Like, if somebody wouldn't consider themselves legacy driven, not necessarily what are they after because both you and I are legacy driven and and we don't, like, we're not in alignment with The, but what is someone missing if if they wanna become legacy driven. If someone's listening right now and they're like, I've never really thought about being legacy driven or leaving something after me.
Of course, we've all all thought about it maybe a little bit, but, really, I haven't, like, pressed in, and I'm not really sure. What does that mean for me? What what What should I be thinking about if I wanna become legacy minded or driven? Well, firstly, The that's a really great point, and you for sharing that because not everyone is an entrepreneur. I think a couple of years ago, entrepreneurship was given this glamorous view where people were post stuff on Instagram on their laptop Kings.
I'm living a, you know, a laptop lifestyle from Thailand or from, I don't know, what by the Maldives. I don't know where they were. It's so great and fancy, but it's not all about that. Like, I mean, you and I know that takes a lot of hard work, takes tenacity, a lot of sacrifice. That's if you're a serious entrepreneur and you're actually making money, because I'm gonna say The Let's just cut to the chase.
There's a lot of influencers on mine who don't make money, but they spend their lives creating content, but they can't pay for their own lunch. I'm not like that. So I know what it takes to be an entrepreneur. And what I'm gonna say is it's okay. If you're not set up as an entrepreneur, if you're not built like that and you haven't thought about building a legacy then that's okay too. Like, I think then focus on fundamental things as a human being, like being kind.
You know, all interactions you have throughout the day are gonna have a domino of but being an entrepreneur, being a good person, it doesn't really make a difference just as long as you are living to your full potential in life, and that's my belief.
But I think if someone is looking, if they've had that thing, you know, where they like something's missing, I'm a bit empty, I'm looking for more, and they're in the 9 to 5 job, what I would say, I think there was Jem Rowan that said, you know, work, what did he say? Work full time on your job and part time on your before gym. And that I mean, I did that. That's exactly how I started my company.
And I think if you're looking to become an entrepreneur or you have a little idea that you've always wanted to The worst thing you can do is die without making it happen. You know, like Yeah. It was all gonna quote Les Brown now, but he said the richest place is cemetery because there's so many people who die, you know, not having lived out their dreams, not having their businesses set up. They've died with worries they haven't told.
And, you know, those are the things that you don't want haunting you. So I'm a very driven motivational person. You know, I come from an immigrant family, so had to work really hard for everything I have, but I think the main thing is in order to be fulfilled in your life, everyone's legacy is going to be different. It might be, you know, you be a mom. You wanna have kids. You wanna be a stay on mom, which is a full time job. Or, you know, if you're a man, you wanna drive a move ride.
Is that makes you happy? Then go for that's your legacy. That's what makes you happy. So I think we're living in a comparison culture still. It's become a bit better since COVID, but what I will say is Love your rich life and do what makes you happy and fulfilled because it's all different and don't look at anyone else because that's gonna get you into a lot of trouble. I do not know what to answer, but I hope that that makes sense. Oh, yeah. Super great information.
And if anybody's paying close attention, they just got, like, 7 quotes and 4 motivational videos condensed into about a ninety second answer, which I just love. Okay. So you mentioned, you know, like, really wherever the position that the listener is at, leaving The legacy really is thinking about your impact on other people. And and that could be being kind. Chaz could be setting up multiple assets and and a big fortune money wise for your family.
And regardless of what into the spectrum that you're on or if you're Well, you wanna do both. The point there, I think, is that as as entrepreneurs, specifically, but people who are legacy driven, legacy minded, we have to be selfless, right, more others focused as opposed to self focused.
The listener doesn't know this, but when I was giving you, like, the Kings, like, the pre work here before we hit the record button, I'm talking to Jesse and tell her how how we need to, you know, talk about how what she does and make sure it's clear and and promote her, and it's not gonna it's not gonna feel weird. It's not gonna feel promo y because I really want her to be able to share what she does. And that way, you guys listening can know what she does.
If you guys need her help, you guys can, you know, call out to her and and let her know. But she said, yeah. Yeah. Let's just make it about everybody else because that's what legacy minded people do. They're always looking for a way to make it about everybody else. And so I'm not gonna let you off the hook though. Because this show is about you. And for you, though, you said there's stories that people go to the grave with. What what's the main story that Justine is sharing?
Wolfe, I I don't know if you do know my story, but for the listeners out there, and I know some of my listeners may may share Chaz and may know, but I immigrated from South Africa, Grubbing Johannesburg, South Africa, immigrated at the age of eleven and a half. And my mom was held up by 9 men with machine guns. They broke into the house. She had she had to hide in the bathtub, my dad, my brother, self drove into the middle of a shoot out.
The power line was hanging literally by thread in front of our house, and, literally The next day after that, we found out my mom was okay. You know, a few minutes later, I'm sitting as a little kid, like, ducking full cover when there's gunshot going from side to side. You know, my dad just said, We didn't know if my mom was alive or dead. And The next day, you know, she was like, wow. This is the last warning that we've had. We're out of this country.
And even though, I mean, South Africa is the most amazing place. I don't know if you've ever been, like, country. It is the most special place on earth, like, still to day, I was such a soul born with our country, but, you know, I was blessed Chaz my family were able to give me an opportunity in a new country in Sydney, Australia, and you know, it has no crime. There's no guidance. It's very safe. And we came basically with not a life.
My dad had to re qualify, you know, with 3 kids at private schools and become an accountant again after you had run a very successful practice in cyberghost. And we did We honestly didn't have a lot. Like, we were sleeping on beanbags in our new house, you know, which cost. Like, I mean, you can the only that you take a certain amount of money out of the country. So My dad was very smart in how he operated the assets, but they never told us.
We didn't have a lot of money, but as kids, I think you have kind of a 6¢. You just know, and you share conversations and you share things. They they thought we didn't understand Afrikaans, but we understood perfectly. So Yeah. From the age of twelve, I went and got a job. And I I actually worked a few different jobs, but what it taught me was tenacity. It taught me appreciation. It taught me what I could do for myself, you know, in terms of being independent and It just gave me this drive.
This it's it's literally this drive. I can't even explain in satiable drive. And I remember campaigning for my first job in advertising up to university, and I got into the world of advertising, and I just never looked back. You know, and starting my agency fast forward, I mean, being an entrepreneur, there's no ceiling. You know, you create your own life. You create your own destiny, but, I just want people to know that it's a journey, and it's not gonna unfold easily for you.
Like, god's gonna test how bad you want things. You know, it's it's gonna through actions is gonna come through messages, and you just gotta keep going. And I think if you believe in your vision, I'm here to tell you, you will be successful. And success can be defined differently for everyone, but what does that success look like to you? And it's hard to kind of come to that conclusion.
You've really gotta define what success looks like for you because if you chase happiness, you're never gonna reach it. Yeah. I've learned. So I think that story for me, you know, learning not to chase happiness, but learning to kind of follow the curve what makes Justine happy at that point in time, and happy can also be defined as different different things with different people. Story to the grave.
Like, there are so many moments I've wanted to give up and throw in the towel, but I said and I'm never going to. And I remember there was a stage Someone very close to me said, maybe you should just go get a job. And I remember turning around, and they said to me, you'll you will never be anything in your life. Wow. And looking in the eyes, and I just went, we'll see about that. Like, I literally said, we'll see about that.
So you have to believe so strongly in your vision and hold that so close to your heart. And it doesn't matter if it's your mom, your brother, your sister, your whatever it whomever it is telling you otherwise, like, If you are skilled and you are good at what you do, you have to believe in your vision with all your might, with all your power, because you will be successful if you put in the work. And the time and and have tenacity.
Yeah. Well, if there was ever a formula for success, you just gave it to us. And you spent the most important, moments of all that explaining, what I feel like also I agree is that the most important piece is belief. In this case, it's, you know, what Chaz is it that I want? Clearly defining that Chaz you said and then going after it. The the tenacity piece is interesting that you've used that word several times here.
I think that a lot of entrepreneurs think that they have tenacity because it's hard. And, you know, they have to Kings, like, you know, figure things out. But you actually gave a more truer perspective of what real tenacity is. It's I'm not quitting, period. Yeah. It's Yes. We're gonna have to persist. I think a lot of and persistence is absolutely part you know, it's up it's up high in there, you know, as far as the equation goes.
But just because you persisted through a trial or 2 or 3, it doesn't mean that it's gonna stop. And so what you have to have actually, what Justine's sharing with you guys, is that it takes tenacity. Tenacity is a decision Chaz I'm not freaking quitting. And it doesn't matter what comes or how many trials or or how long I have to persist. I will not quit. Period. It's a decision. It's a resoluteness. Would you agree with us? Abs and I love that word resoluteness because it's so final in a way.
And, like, As I said before, I don't know if you I'm I believe in god. I believe in the universe. I'm extremely spiritual. And, again, it's energy. So the energy you put in is the energy you're gonna get, I don't care what it is. In terms of your health, your fitness, your clients, your soul, your mindset, you have to make sure that you are showing up in your best energy because situations have come up. I am so strict with how I spend my time and my energy now.
Like, I will not myself in environments outside of my home environment where I'm not in a situation where I'm learning or growing anything that makes me feel bad, I'm like, goodbye.
And I'm still learning that because it's a really hard lesson, but just that that what you said, resolute nurse, like Kings at peace with what you want and coming up with a resolution and chasing that and staying very disciplined on your part, like, That's not something easy because I feel like things and people and stuff is gonna be thrown at you, and it's like, you're all pissed. So you have to stay so tight.
Like, you gotta have that tunnel vision to keep carrying on and say say no to those distractions. Yeah. Yeah. I think that you're you're hitting on several things here that not only I've I've gone through personally, but I feel like there's a lot of entrepreneurs that you know, questions bubble up around around what we're talking about. And so I I wanna I wanna maybe construct some some new questions here. Just from our conversation that we're already having.
I'm interested in what you hear or what you think about. I'm gonna I'm gonna Kings paint a picture between intensity and relatability. The intensity is resolute. I've made the decision. I don't care. What happens, I'm going to get what I want. So I've clearly identified what I want, and I'm willing to do whatever it takes to get what I within human, you know, reason, right, like, within, like, I'm not harming anybody type of a thing.
But on the other side of it, Chaz is a completely unrelatable thing. So you said you've got maybe people or circumstances that you've now recognized that aren't serving you to get where you wanna go. So you Chaz to either cut off the time or cut off that person. And and that's completely unrelatable because that's like, not many people can look on The and say, Chaz, like, I'm not willing to do that. Right? That's my mom, or that's my whatever. Fill The the blank.
Like you're what's your take on being intense and being so, like, resolute. Like, we're talking about, because clearly you and I are, and we could go hours on this. But How do I know, like, am I robot then? Do I just always doing The, or how am I relatable at the same time, or how are you relatable at the same time? So I think I think it's a process in anyone who's listening here now, you know, if you're in a situation, whether it be worth, whatever it is, like, I mean, I'm still learning The.
Like, it's an ever changing lesson, and you're always learning this. And it's it's about being true to yourself. Like, what are your values? But it's also a timing thing. Like, unless you're ready, and I find most people will only reach that point when they hit a very high intense level of pain. And when you are at that level of pain and sometimes the pain outweighs, you know, the action that's gonna take to actually get you to a better place, Like, that's when it will kind of hit.
So I'm gonna say, like, be kind to yourself. Like, I always say to people, you gotta be your own biggest fan and cheerleader because end of the day, It's a bonus if you have people in your life that will lift you up and help you grow. Like, I haven't had that in my whole life. So, you know, I do have, you know, friends, and I've got amazing people around me, but I am my own biggest fan. And I will literally talk myself. And now if I feel bad, I will literally say, Justine, how do you feel today?
What do I need to do for you today? To get you The day to make you feel better. Like That's incredible. Of every hour, I'll be like, okay. You just got through this hour. Like, literally, I got a gym 5, 6 days a week, and I come from a body building background. I did bikini. I I did 5 years of competitive body building. Not The honored sports in a good type, but, you know, The night.
Yeah. You know, the feminine feminine part, because I believe women feminine, which is a whole another Kings, but I think just being kind to yourself and knowing that you are the best version of yourself without that robotic mentality because Chaz I said, I did an Instagram live the other day, and I Wolfe say that all the little things that you do throughout the day or even that month or that year are gonna add up The big actions. Yeah. So I don't want people to think they have to be robotic.
Look, I know I'm not normal, but I came from very, very humble Kings. So I had to fight my butt off to get to where I'm at now. And people may see me and, gosh, you look perfect. The Instagram's perfect, but I put in so much work into myself, like body, mind, soul, spirit. I've invested 100 of 1000 of dollars in self development. You know, like, I'm constantly reading. I'm constantly listening to podcasts. I have my own as you would know.
You know, you you've done amazingly in your career and what you're Kings, and It just takes work and time, but just be kind to yourself. That's the most important thing. You don't need to be robotic. I mean, we're very a type personality, right, and it's It's it's a very low minority of people that are in that little fraction of people that are gonna go get them, but you can learn from these people. Discipline, I think, is the greatest mindset tool we can ever learn for ourselves.
And I actually learned the most of that through body building because I think in general in house, like, food teaches you a lot about cell control, what you put in your body, drinking water, And, you know, like, taking care of yourself is the first fundamental law to achieving anything in life because your busy call being when you feel good, and you look good, you know, your inside will feel good. Your emotional state, your soul, your spirit.
So being a a very high functioning entrepreneur has many different fast sense to it, I think. I would say health is my number 1. Like, I always put my health first always. You're dropping bombs here. I wanna I wanna direct your thoughts here a little bit because, I mean, this is a well of, like, we could just keep going on this. But you've made it so, I don't know, reasonable or plausible that that, hey. I give myself a little bit of grace, but but what I heard you say in that is don't quit.
Right? Like, I'm not giving myself room to be okay with quitting. It's just keep keep with the little things, and it's just gonna take time. For you, you've put in the work. You you've had the discipline. You've invested time and money into, you know, your mind body soul spirit, you know, all this all The stuff. Where where can the listener go to begin that journey? Is it books? Is it is it is it is it, you know, help working out?
What's what was the beginning for you, maybe, or or where can they start? To, you know because this is a big mountain. You and I both have been working Kings for a long time. You know? So Well, firstly, listen to the Gathering King's podcast. I'm gonna say that. Hey. They're here. Okay. I'm gonna say that Chaz before that, I mean, I don't I I'm a strong believer in The are no excuses in The, and you can't deposit excuses in any asset of your life.
So, like, any any part of you that's gonna be worth it in the end requires some type of development. But, I mean, I was literally 12 a half, and I saved up all my money and went to go see Tony Robbins. So if I can do it as a twelve and a half year old, if you're listening to this, It just starts with something small to shift your mindset. And I don't come from, you know, a a family of entrepreneurs. I don't come from a family of you know, that have basically done what I'm doing.
I was on my own path and my own journey. So I think for me, It's a matter of just starting small. And whether it's books, there are so many great books out there. I mean, when I was little, there was in incartopedia, Britanica. You know, we couldn't go in YouTube Kings, or there was no TikTok. There was no, you know, how to explain, like, We've literally got the world and our fingertips in this little phone that we have sitting in our lap now, and I'm not saying go scroll through Instagram.
Like, you gotta be also Disciplined with where you spend your time online, but invest in things that interest you. And I would say focus on becoming the very best in what you do in your field. Yeah. There's a lot of really practicals in there. One one last question here before we get to a little bit some more practical stuff. The the intensity that you run at, you said that, you know, there's a type. You realize that you're not normal. And I would say that you and I both are are like this.
We just Chaz this clear understanding that I'm unique, but what I would also say is that many people listening today fit in that same category, they just maybe don't have the enlightenment yet that you and I do Chaz they too are unique. And so what what would you say to the person listening right now who wants to believe that they're part of the unique, you know, or or The wanna be successful.
They hear you, and they're kinda getting fired up about this burning desire and this never quit mentality. And it's like, okay. Like, I wanna do that, but you know, maybe they've got brokenness or maybe they've got, you know, a health issue or they've got something that's always kinda just, like, kept them back from really truly winning, what would you say to, like, how how do they overcome that thing? That one thing that's, like, just dragging them down. They want what you're saying.
You don't hit it head on. Go to where it hurts the The first and face it. Seriously. And I know it's easier said than done. And trust me, I've been there on But I always say you gotta conquer the thing that hurts you the most because that out of pain is always born power. And you will feel insatiable. I always say out of adversity is born advantage. So you rarely gotta hit that thing on the head.
Whatever it is that's bothering you promise you on the other side of that is gonna lie something so great that it's gonna transform your person, your character, where you're headed, your pods. And The, also, you never know who's gonna be watching you in your process.
So if you're not just doing it for yourself, do it for the result and do it for someone else around you that's in the same shoes that thinks they can't do it because I guarantee you're gonna inspire The, and that is what I call a legacy when you can inspire people by just doing it yourself and showing that it can be done because the human mind is so incredible, and the human body is so all, and you can mold it, and it will adapt. So, look, I don't know.
Everyone has different issues and problems. I mean, it's on my Instagram now if I was about. I was at the gym the other day, and there's a guy at my gym who's in a wheelchair, but he's there 6 days a week. And he literally from the waist down can't move, but he trades his upper body. And I just He's working in biceps. Yes. And I and I watched this guy. It was fascinating. I went up to my way. You are just so like, you are the boss. Like, you are inspirational.
Yeah. And, you know, I said to him, what what is it with you? And he goes, I just show up. This would've been really easy to wake up in the morning and cry about what happened, but, basically, I'm doing Chaz because I know there's someone sitting there watching this and watching my journey, and I don't wanna be the person that cries alone in my room. Like, I have to action it.
And I think when you come from a place of don't make it about you, make it about other people, then things start to happen. In your life. And I know that's what I do. And trust me when I tell you, I've been through some really dark times. So I know what it takes, and I'm coming from a place of I have been there on that. One of my mentors who I listened to at my labs.
I don't know if you know him, but he says that you are basically You qualify to help those people where you were at once you parts have passed that stage. And I absolutely loved that, like, since I heard So I'm a strong believer in that. So I make it about you, make it about other people. Yeah. Yeah. You're bringing them along, and that that truth that you just mentioned that Ed talks about is is a is a great humbling piece.
And and and I've know, in previous episodes, I've talked about the the warrior mindset and the transition into king and or or queen in this case, but really that that mature king or queen mindset is really about others. And so The quicker that you can make that transition, it doesn't mean that you have a certain amount of money or a certain amount of a material possession or resource. What it means is that you have a certain think And that thing that you just described is, okay.
Well, I've made it this far. I can help somebody behind me get to where I am. The I need to be in community with people that are along with me, and then I need to get around the edge of the world Chaz of people that can pull me forward. And we all need all three. Right? Would you agree with that? Absolutely. The power of bringing someone else behind you, though, really, it's almost like self accountability. I had a I had a client of mine just, I don't know, a couple months ago.
The were like, hey. So everywhere, like, you talk about working out with people. You talk about, you know, obviously, gather The Kings. Like, you're always in group Kings. You're you're on podcast with people. You have teams here in all of your businesses. Like, there's always people around you. You have a big family. Like, you have 4 kids.
I'm like, Yeah. Because I know that if I put someone else on that calendar invite, that hypothetical calendar invite sometimes, I'm gonna freaking show up because sometimes for myself, I won't. 100%. It's such an accountability of it, which also brings me to the, I think what you're doing is actually amazing because, you know, a a lot of people will just kind of work on themselves, right, but it takes it takes a big I'm gonna say a great entrepreneur actually to pull other people with them.
And I think that's also my mission in life. And it's a choice because you can very easily just focus on yourself. What makes your entrepreneur is how you make people feel and what you leave them with. Chaz makes them think and demand the next level of themselves. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I think that we are liking that way, but I think that more than anything, we're transferring that same mission, you know, to the listener.
And if you're if you're listening right now and and some of these things are like, yeah. Like, okay. I I wanna I wanna help other people It really you don't have to over complicate it. Just there's probably people in in your small sphere, other business owners, or people in in your school or in your church. And and all it takes is you just you stop thinking about yourself for, you know, 3 minutes and look around the room. Somebody is in need. And and you can go and serve them.
So please go do that. Hey, Kings and Queens. Jazz Wolf. I wanna talk to you about something that's super important to me. We put a lot of time and effort. We, meaning myself and my team, into this podcast, into the content that goes out every single day. And if you have been getting any sort of value or insight from this, we want it to be able to reach other business owners too.
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Let's help each other grow. Justine, I wanna know of a good decision that you've made in business. You've been doing this for a long time. You've only grown your business, but you've grown many other businesses. Give me a super practical thing that you've done in business. That was just a really good decision that the listeners can go implement today. Set my son to tie. So you're not gonna be everyone's cup of chino, as I said.
I know you get good cup of chino now in America, but you have to stay true to your morals and values I don't work with clients who don't demand a 100% of themselves. So sometimes it doesn't matter how good the money is for the environment. Like, you have to align with your values as a person, as an entrepreneur, as a business.
So Yeah. It's it is a lot of money or if you're talking own things, but doesn't align with your values or morals, I'm gonna say, like, just leave it because the pain of working with that, you know, that organizational company or whatever it is, it's gonna cost you more in the long term. The other thing is intuition is so important in business. Like, you fail this thing in your gut. If it's wrong, it's wrong, and you have to be untrusting in that.
And that's something that I would say I have developed The seek sense with, but it takes time. It takes work. It takes effort. The more people you work with, the more people on your journey you work with, the better you'll become at it. But Again, like, you gotta set very high standards. It's kind of like a a high quality date. You know, like, you're not you're not gonna be low quality and certain things life. You're not gonna go eat McDonald's or relate. It's the same with your business.
Like, set a high moral compass for your business and set Shives down it because the thing is especially if you're an entrepreneur listening to those and you've been going in your business for a while, like, over a decade or whatever it is like me, you know, you charge, right, you charge for a reason because it's your experience, it's your skill set. It's what you've built yourself into. So The other thing is if people aren't gonna align with that, then that's okay.
Then, you know, it's not meant for you, and you Kings of gotta let that go. And I'm cool with it. You know, I'm in a blessed position where I'm working with incredible entrepreneurs and global brands all over the world, but I'm always true to my value. If something doesn't align with my values, I'm like, I or what? You know? Yeah. Yeah. What what do you think gave you that ability or confidence.
Of course, you've turned down, and that's that takes confidence in that moment, but the confidence just initially to believe that this is who I am, and and I'm not going to settle. Even going back to the dating scenario, male or female, How do I decide? My question for the business side is how did you decide before the date began that we're not going to McDonald's or that he does X Y Z, I'm getting up and leaving. Like, how did you set those standards?
I think you just well, it's it's got intuition for me, but it's all a matter of, like, seeing it, how the person or how the company shows up for you, because it's not the end of the day, like, We can take anyone and make them look like a $1,000,000, and that's why I'm very careful with who I brand because I know once I work with them, I know what I can do. And not coming from an arrogant place at all. It literally, like, I've been doing I know your skill set.
Yeah. Exactly. So I think that's just it's, again, it's going back to value set, and I know what I can deliver. So it's like gut instinct. You know, do I really wanna do this for you know, a company or a brand that doesn't align with my values, and that is all about the wrong things. So very rare that that happens, but again. And and also, as I said, I'm very spiritual. So I believe, you know, The the universe delivers the right things for you at the right time.
But, again, you're gonna be tested because sometimes it's very tempting, but you've gotta stay true to your values because something better is always on the way, and I truly believe that. Just be good, be kind, have empathy, do good work. That's all you have to remember. Yeah. I heard a a comment the other day. It was a a client of mine had been with somebody. And I don't remember who he got this from, so it may have been his quote.
It may be somebody else's, but he said life will get better and better forever and ever. And it was just, like, as simple as that is. It was like, life will get better and better forever and ever. I was like, woah. Yes. Wow. Like, we The That's powerful. Like, just think about it. I wrote it. I was like, Wolfe. Say that again. I'm on the phone with him. And I and I walk over to my board, and I saw it right over here. And life will get better and better forever and ever.
And it's like, well, it's just like doesn't mean there's not gonna be bad days. It just means that in the grand scheme, if I just zoom out a little bit, life's going like The, if I wanted to. Right? For like this, if you wanted to too. But, yeah, it's about chewed. Attitude is so important. And then I think, you know, just showing up, like, just show up.
Even if you have, I think, sometimes you have to fake it until you make it and know, why I'm saying that it's how you speak to yourself in your mind. You can be having Wolfe down, like, ever. And I know my sister will probably listen to those, but She knows I she knows I'm big with The. You know, she she'll never call me now as well. I'm having a bad morning. Yeah. Now that again, rephrase that and retract that from the universe.
And so far, I retract that from the universe because I'm very big on how you do The thing is how you do every thing. It's a 100 or nothing. Yeah. Yeah. It's so good. Okay. What about a bad decision? Something that you've done that wasn't your greatest hour, big oops. Give us the juicy details. I think when I was younger, over delivering book items who didn't appreciate it, and that's another thing. Right?
So you have to know what you deliver is great if you are good at what you do, but also get paid for your time because you don't go into a restaurant or the everything on the menu, and then go, okay. Bye. Like, thanks a lot. Like, you've gotta really be paid for your time. So I think bad decision Kings a lot of free stuff and not getting paid for it, but I think also there's a fine line, right, you have to do free stuff in order to get your name out there.
So, I mean, it's cut 22 and I think if I was living in this generation again, I would be knocking down corridors. I swear because, you know, it's that low log tenacity. You gotta be making call you gotta be developing your character, but it's just about, I think, don't take no for an answer, and I think just don't give up. Just don't give up. Yeah. It's good.
The the over over Gathering, basically, doing a bunch of free Kings, is is interesting because it's there's an altruisticness about it where it makes me feel good that I'm productive and that I'm working and that I'm doing things for people.
And I and I know of entrepreneurs who have done this where they look up, you know, 2 months, 2 years later, and There's been no sales, no no revenue, no money, but they feel good about it because they've they've just been, you know, doing the thing supposedly. But it's like The just really haven't looked in the mirror, to be honest with themselves. They don't they don't have a business. They have a hobby, which is fine. But if let's call it a hobby or let's call it a business.
And so what I'm hearing from you is if you are a business owner here today listening and you're having troubles you know, charging more, it number 1, it could be because you're not delivering. That's not what Justin's talking about. But make sure you're delivering. It's me on delivering. Yeah. But The number 2, you you could be doing too much.
Your value might be there and you're not just positioning it correctly, maybe you need a little bit of a sales training, really, just to help you understand your value and how to present yourself and collect money. I mean, there's nothing wrong with Like, what Justin is saying to be able to not only give value, but present in a certain way and then be able to collect as long as you're delivering and over delivering, think all these things are good.
And as entrepreneurs, we struggle with, like, well, but if I, you know, I'll I'll give him a discount or do it for free or, like, that's this is the game that you said you played too long. Right? And and I think that's it. Like, you know, there's a fine line. Right? Like, there's certain avenues that, yes, you do free stuff, but, I mean, you've built many incredible sales team.
So you understand this, but I think it's just it's knowing your value and knowing your worth if you're good at what you do. If you work to really get there and you've got, like, someone bargaining with you to try and drop your prices or do whatever. Maybe it's a blessing. Like, let them go elsewhere. Like, I know in myself the value I deliver. I know what my team can do.
So, like, if it comes to dropping value or going down a path that I'm not happy with, I want to because everyone needs incentive. In life. Like, you have to be incentivized to do your job really well. And I'm not coming from an arrogant pace when I say this, but it's your own value and yourself. You you don't feel good, with what you're making after 10 years of being in the game, then you're in the wrong industry. Yeah. Yeah. You're doing it wrong. Hold on a second. You're doing it The. 100%.
What business resource? I I I kinda asked you earlier, you know, books and stuff like that, but what what's really touched you as far as a business resource? Maybe it's a podcast, maybe it's a book, something that you've been able to invest in that to The the listeners can go grab. Oh my gosh. There's been so much. Like, I mean, I have read a lot of at my let's Like, they were very inspiring, but I will tell you something really interesting that actually touched me in my life.
Couple of Kings, but K. When I was 6, six and a half, seven years old. I heard Nelson Mandela speak at my school. Wolfe. And then he said there's no passion to be found in playing living a life where you live small. There was something around that car, and I remember it, and it's always stayed with me. And I think that was one of the things that was, like, my driving force behind my life because I have been through so much, right, but it's it's the part that we pick.
There's also a lady called Stormy Wellington gonna give her a huge shout out. I don't know if you've heard about her. She is incredible. She's a force to be reckoned with. You know, I think that She was one of the people on my journey in my part over the last couple of years. I really tapped into my soul, I would say, and taught me that you have to work on yourself in terms of your mindset. You gotta be your own biggest fan.
And I think I'd want most important lessons that I've learned because at the end of the day, when you go to sleep at night, whether you're married, whether you whatever situation you're in, you're still alone. Like, we die alone. We come into the world alone. We die alone. So at the end of the day, you have to be a 100% in your cell. To be able to tackle any circumstances around you. Because if you're not whole, then you're gonna be high forever you show up.
And when you look at it like that, you'll wanna put the work into yourself. But that was one of the things. So but, I mean, I I'm always listening to podcasts. I'm always I mean, I have my own podcasts. I've I've spoken to such incredible entrepreneurs. And I think it's just, like, buying what resonates with you because there's certain things that I've resonated with Chaz may not work for other people, but whatever you're weak in, what I'm gonna say is focus on that.
So if you're weak in money, find every single money book that's highly rated. I mean, there's if you don't like reading, you can listen. There's audible. Like, you're really on excuses. There's the Gathering King's podcast. I've heard of The, like, Chaz. He's pretty awesome. You know, there's so many resources out there. It's just find what resonates with you, but that's kind of the stuff that stands with me. Yeah. Well, I'll give you a chance here.
The less the name of your podcast, since you've mentioned to hear a couple times, we'll also put it here in the show notes. But what's the name? So what we can look for? It's called the $1,000,000 brand based podcast. And I actually interviewed Stormy on The. So she she's gonna come up through episodes. You can go check her out. She's really a force to be reckoned with, but I'm all about elevating entrepreneurs who who make their mark, so we might have to do an exchange.
We might have to bring some Kings to the the $1,000,000 Branders podcast. Love that. Love that. I wanna ask you a question. You mentioned earlier, you know, that your a type, you know, and you're after this thing, but that you are feminine. And that, you know, you you're not trying to be king. You're trying to you're trying to be fully queen. And so what would you what was your message for women? Lady entrepreneurs out The. Maybe there's some sneak here today. I'm sure that there are.
We have a pretty split audience. And so what's your message to The? Trying to either, a, do it on their own or maybe they're in a home, like, maybe my wife who's maybe not involved in the day to day business, but she's absolutely queen in our home. What's your message to women who are running things? Whether that be the home or whether that be a business?
Look. I've got very, very I'm gonna say rigid views on this because I came from a I'm I'm a South African woman and in our culture, likes well, just me as a person, you know, I I think that men have high value in society, good man. I'm gonna really highlight that good man who strive to be better and who strive to be great. I have so much Chaz burglars, I don't think it's very easy to be a man. I think there's a lot of pressure on you, and there's a lot of pressure on women too.
I'm not not, like, with both sides. Right? And I think in the times that we're living in, it's so crazy. Like, I was brought up with very good morals and values, and I hold myself in such high regarded character in terms of my integrity and my grows. And as I said, I put a lot of work into myself. So I think as a woman, what I do think is that this whole buff speech mentality I think Kings is ruining our culture.
And I think that you can still be a boss, but be feminine, and you will stand so highly regarded in your power. Like, I mean, I have so many male clients, but I think what I bring to the table is It's The the lioness. Like, a very feminine touch. Right? But, like, you can get that way through branding so you speak to everyone and through entrepreneurship, but it's also staying strong. And I think a good woman will stand behind her man regardless.
So, you know, it's about We bring such a feminine energy to stuff, but, like, a woman is a woman, a man is a man. Like, we were built differently. And I think if you are a man listening to The and maybe you are struggling to find a woman that's right for you, wait, and don't settle because there are Wolfe who really will hurt you first. But it's about that energy that you tap into. And if you're a woman listening to this, like, just stop trying to be a man.
Seriously. That's the best advice I can help you because The end of the day, it's it's not serving you. Like, I don't do I mean, Charles, you tell me, do guys want that these days? Do they want the boss bitch mentality woman? This is really interesting though, but I would love to know because I haven't spoken about this before. Yeah. And and the answer is no. At least not somebody again, it's all relative to your beliefs.
And so I think if we're talking about somebody who is of the same values that you're mentioning, then no. What they what they want is a soft touch. What they want is a an encourager. That doesn't mean, though, that when I when I step out of line or when I do something that my wife isn't, like, direct with me. I love the the phrase. You know, I'm I'm the head, but but the neck turns the head whichever way she wants. I love that.
And as funny as that is, there it's a given a take because there are a lot of things in our in our own household that are very traditional But yet, Julie is an extremely strong Wolfe. And if she had married somebody who wasn't as dominant as I am, she would probably be running the house because she's that dominant. She's that strong and that capable.
And so I think I think to your point, yes, you have women who are, you know, for lack of better terms, trying to be men, trying to trying to lead and and be dominant. But I think the problem lies just with as many men who don't know how to lead and don't care to lead, and they would rather play video games. And and so because because they're lazy and stuck and and and sitting in front of the couch watching football or whatever, The then their woman has to.
And so as much blame as you're saying, hey, ladies, like, don't don't do this, And I understand it, and I respect The. And I think that that's the right position. I'm gonna say to the The. She's doing it because you're not. Somebody's got to. Somebody's gotta take charge. Somebody's gotta lead. And because you, in essence, wanted to marry your mom and you wanted her to serve you, that's not what that's not what marriage looks like. It's not she doesn't just bring you the sandwich, bro.
Yes. I'll tell you I'll tell you right now. If if I ask for a sandwich, Julie will make it for me for sure, because she knows how to make sandwiches, and she loves to do it, and she loves to serve me. It serve me in that way. But but it that's that's not a flipping thing. Like, I don't I don't just expect that. It it is very much a a back and forth of what it is that our roles are. So think if anything, we've just depicted that, like, hey.
There's Kings, like, maybe the wrong thing happening on both sides, but it's it's about Hey. If if you, a strong woman, were led by an even stronger man, The you would probably feel comfortable to be feminine. Right? Exactly. And I'm not saying there's any like, I'm really strong. I'm a very strong Wolfe, and I have my own little prize, but I'm also extremely feminine. But I think it's just the the blurred lines of where things are Like, I think that's Right.
I think you're spot on, you know, like, woman wants a man who's going to lead. Most woman. Most good woman. I and I don't think there's anything wrong with that, but we are built in a feminine way. Like, I still have my business. I still work. I still do that stuff. Right? And I have been in The situation like that. You know, in in actually in Africa, in the wild, the lioness is the one who gets the food of the lion. That's right. That's right. That's right.
There's a lot of things we can we can paint pictures of here to Kings cap this off here. I was talking with Julie just the other night. Actually, it's just literally just this past week. And she was referencing, a contact that she has and acquaintance and a very dominant Wolfe. And she's has her own business. Actually, she has a couple of businesses does very Wolfe. And her husband doesn't.
And so we were talking because my wife, Julie, had heard somebody saying, it it a pretty dominant male figure somewhere somewhere saying, you know, basically Chaz guy that her friend's husband is a piece of Gathering. Right? And and really, like, coming down hard on him was like, I just I mean, what if what if she just wants to get after it and and he wants to be at home with the kids? Is that is that a problem? And I was like, well, Hold on.
Let me let me give you different perspectives, which is kinda what we just talked about. I said, if if that woman was married to me, because now she knows me, I said, if if that woman that you know was married to me, do you think that she would an a, she wouldn't have to work? So would she? And Julie's answer was no. She wouldn't. I know, actually, even though she loves going after it and getting it in her business, What she misses the most is time with her kids.
And so, yeah, now that you say it like that, if she was married to somebody like you who took care of business, would she have to? Yeah. Exactly. Exactly. So we can put as much weight on the fellas. That's that's actually really important. That's why your podcast, I think, is amazing because it's I just I want guys to know that there are Wolfe out there who want to be mad, and it doesn't matter how it's successful.
They are what they tell you, like, you lead, and you'd be a man and used to up because that's what's really missing in society. So if you can go after it, state, but state healthy and be strong as a man, The is such a valuable man in our society now. Yeah. That's right. Yeah. Justine, I have one last question here for you. I wanna know If you had the opportunity to whisper in the younger Justine's ear, what would you tell that little girl? I would say I would say you got this.
I would literally say you got this. Like, just keep believing. And she already knew not to give up. Like, she already she already knew that she was onto something from Like, I've I've always been like a little rebel. You know, it's like putting a putting, you know, I was just I was just always a rebel growing up. So I knew that that was a vision for me, but I think I would just say you got this and just keep going no matter what no matter what people tell you on your path.
And I think that's exactly what I would still tell myself now, which is so crazy actually The I think about it. What a great question. Yeah. Yeah. Pretty powerful. And I I think I would use a very similar phrase. You got this. Justine, number 1, you've mentioned your podcast. I want you to tell us your website. How can someone listening today? Maybe they need a branding agency to help them grow their business.
And if they are the right fit for you and they have those qualifications that you mentioned earlier, they find you and how can they start working with you, or if they're just not federer, they wanna get to know you better. Maybe they can find you on the podcast or how else can they find you on social? Sure. So I'm very active on Instagram. You can go. My my surname's a bit long. Chaz's Bitcoin is in the mail because he said it arrives. That's it. Good. Alright. I'll help.
But it's nastim Pagrowski The on Instagram. I'm also on threads. Are you on threads? Chaz. Oh, yeah. You know it. Perfect. Hello. I follow Chaz on red serve who will be having some banter. I have no doubt. The And also I'm on Twitter. I'm on TikTok, same, all the same, like, underscore and hashtag same And you can also go check out my website, justteamprogrowskiofficial.com, or $1,000,000 branders.com, and I've got some exciting new businesses launching, but you can go follow me there.
And please send me a DM if there's anything you wanna know, how I can serve you, and Chaz, thank you so much. It's been such an honor being on your podcast, and thank you for just speaking light into so many through your very smart conversations. Nice talking to someone. So intelligent and so driven and grounded and appreciate you. Well, those are very kind words. I received The, and we we're right back at you. Thank you for being here.
The energy that you brought won, but your intelligence also, I really hope that the listener even goes back and listens because even though some of the things that you shared are maybe what would the listener might consider cliche they're really, really important. And it's why you and I, even though they might feel cliche, why we simply talk about it and do them every single day because they actually matter.
And so, you brought what matters today, and so I appreciate that Kings to you, your businesses, everything that you have going on. Thanks for being here. Thank you so much, Thank you for listening to Gathering the The today. I hope that you were able to pull out a few nuggets to go apply into your business right away.
More importantly, though, I hope that you're realizing that it takes more to be successful than just being by yourself doing it all on your own, carrying the weight all by yourself. What I have realized, not only in my own journey from multiple businesses and multiple different streets and now interviewing over 2 or 300 The very successful 7, 8, and 9 figure business owners is Chaz It's tough to do it alone. And so gathering the Kings exists to bring together successful entrepreneurs.
In fact, we are putting together 1 1000 Kings, specifically who are grateful, but not done. We're intentionally assembling kings who fight tooth and nail for their business, family, and communities, and here's what we believe Chaz in the pursuit of excellence in those areas, that it ignites within us the responsibility to govern power and forge a lasting legacy.
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