On today's episode of Gathering The Kings. If you can make millions, billions, whatever the number is, whatever your goal is, to me, it doesn't really mean squat if you don't have the free time and you don't have the ability to spend that time with The people around you. Doesn't really matter if you got 5 boats and an airplane if you don't have the time or the family around you to enjoy those with.
You are listening to Gathering the Kings with Chaz Wolfe featuring fellow 7, 8, and even 9 figure business owners who have real battle scars from business and life. But have prevailed as the king that they are designed to be. We welcome high performing entrepreneurs to the stage in order to reveal the reel of the reel. On what it takes to build a successful business today. The and how you too can get there.
Through this dialogue, you will learn the value of growing your network and surrounding yourself with power players and Kings like today's guest. Grab your pen and notebook because we're about to dive in. What's up, everybody? I'm Chaz Wolfe Gathering the Kings We've got to the Kings stage, Mike Hellstap. How are you, brother? I'm great. How are you? I'm good, man. Our little for the listeners here, our time that we were just talking off air. We were talking about our three year olds.
Both sons literally trying to stab us or restle us or you had mentioned getting hit in the nut several times. It's just such a real factor when boys turn that age. So I'm excited for this conversation. Tell us what kind of business that you're in? I do real estate investing, so I buy and hold long term Kings family and small multifamily all here in Wichita area. As of now, which lock Kings us. Love it.
Yeah. We're you're a Wachidian Chaz as I've dubbed over the years, one of my franchises in Wichita. One of the craziest things about Wichita that I learned many years ago is that everybody, for the most part, drives about 5 under the speed limit. Depends on what part of town. We get a pretty active police department, and they'll keep you honest. It was the weirdest thing coming from Kansas City and exploring the area. I was on the east side. I was on the west side.
Looking at spots to put a franchise, and everybody's just out for a Sunday drive. And it's Tuesday. It's Thursday. I'm like, what is going on here? It's crazy. Every time I go down there, it's nuts. We're a pretty big small town. It is. It really is. You wanna talk about a big small town. You're near a million people. Probably seven 100,000 people. I think we're right over 5 with the metro. With the yeah.
Okay. So with with all the surrounding areas and such, you've got a lot of people, but it's very much a a a town still. Yeah. Absolutely. How does that play into real estate for you? Because Chaz, is that more because you gotta be more relationship based Wolfe that Kings of feel, or are you more east side? You have more west side? I know there's a huge divide. There is definitely a divide. It's pretty much 2 different cities. Each side has everything they need.
It's kind of a little rivalry, but I'm pretty central in where I invest. So I've got a lot in the near downtown in the heart of Wichita think Wichita State area. And then really if I can get to any rental within 5 to 7 minutes of downtown Wichita. Oh, that's great. Yeah. Yeah. The and the downtown, there's quite a bit of infrastructure being put down there. And so is that why you're staying in area long term for for your properties? Really, it all starts with that's where it was affordable.
So I got my foot in the door 8 years ago, about my first four plex It was near downtown in an area that I would not be interested in investing in today, but it all started with that because I could afford it. And I was limited to where I could buy because of how much capital I had available, and that kind of started it. And, really, I just like having things central, and it's really a market that's affordable and makes sense and has a lot of demand.
Yeah. Yeah. I I think that we even just were talking off air a little bit just about the general just feel people in in that city. It's just a down to earthness that I just so appreciate and, a likeness, even the team that I have down there is just I would consider them family, just really good people. Do you find that in the real estate space there as well? Yeah. Absolutely. It's a very tight knit market for who invests here.
Obviously, like any city our size, we've got people, groups out of the coastal areas coming in starting, especially more in the last few years, but everybody that does business in which and lives in the area, knows everybody else in the real estate business. So if you have rentals, you know, everybody else who has rentals for and flips. You know, everybody else is doing flips. It's a pretty small world, which I enjoy.
I really enjoy the personal aspect of knowing people, being able to call, text, somebody when you need something or making deals to happen, just fall into your plate because people know you're honest and like working with. Yeah. That's so true. That's so true. Chaz carries a lot of weight in business, but I think that as Midwestern guys, we not that we take it for granted, but I think that I think we it happens naturally.
In a lot of the things that we probably are Kings, and we don't know that's it's not a normal thing for guys outside of the Midwest. Yeah. That's absolutely right. It's a especially in a smaller community. I hear podcasts or know people that invest in other areas, and they talk about the way they might treat somebody when a deal starts to go sour. Yeah. And it amazes me.
I know that we're different in a smaller community, smaller market, but I think we would never treat most people that we do business with debt because we're gonna see them at the next real estate meetup. We're gonna see him at dinner, and we're gonna do deals together. So, I think there's just a different vibe, different relationship that we all have together here. Yeah. That's awesome.
I wanna ask you, obviously, you've been very specific in the way of how you're investing specifically that you're holding long term, all this very clear direction that you've given to us. My my question to you is why? What's your purpose? What's the bigger picture for you? For me, the biggest picture is the legacy of what I'm able to do with the hard work, what comes out of it. The family aspect, if you can make 1,000,000, 1,000,000,000, whatever the number is, whatever your goal is.
To me, it doesn't really mean squat if you don't have the free time and you don't have the ability to spend that time with The people around you. Doesn't really matter if you got 5 boats and an airplane if you don't have the time or the family around you to enjoy those with. So those are my Kings of why and giving back to the community, I probably overextend myself to a pretty large level of measurement by being involved with things in the community. I like to give time.
And that's Kings of my goal. The future is that retirement or whatever that definition of retirement is, Kings able to spend more time with my family, being able to have more time to give back to the things that think are important in my community in making it better around us. Yeah. I mean, I love both of those answers. I think legacy plays in just the family deeply for me as well. And then the community, it just it makes me think of just, really, the difference.
We talk about this in Gathering and the Kings and mastermind groups, but the difference between the warrior and the Kings lot of times is the recognition or the acknowledgement of the additional responsibilities around us, the warrior can only be concerned with the left and the right where the king Chaz to have a much bigger perspective, which includes the community. It includes your family, of course, or the impacts of the people on your team or your church. Or whatever.
So I resonate with that second part that you gave as well. Tell me, like, we're talking off air for a little bit The, and we're talking Kings during the pandemic. You're doing different job and your one year old at that time was walking around fun stuff, but why real estate or how did you get started? Give us Kings like the picture here of how it all came to be for you. Sure. So growing up, my dad had rental property. He had a number probably 50 at one point, pieces of rental property.
So, when I was a kid, my dad was around a lot. He spent a lot of hours working, but he also made a point to be there when counted. And he was all of our ball games, all of our functions. But there were a lot of nights where work had to be done. And I get that now, especially that I've got projects that are very similar to what he was doing 20 years ago.
Yeah. But I remember for us, family dinner multiple times, we'd go pick up a bucket of KFC chicken and we'd go down to an apartment complex, and we would eat it in a renovated or being renovated apartment. We just sit on the floor, and that was family dinner. So that's where I got my start or idea that real estate was something you could do full time and create passive income. So that that's where I got my start. And then I moved to Wichita.
My wife is from after college, and I talked her into buying a 4plex that she had zero interest in at the time, thought that was crazy. And it probably was because we did not have, we did not have any money to spare Wolfe figured it out, and and that was our first deal here, Wichita. Wow. Okay. And so tell me about the conversation there between you and wifey. Obviously, she wasn't down, but, like, how did you pull that deal off with her feeling that way?
Looking back, I don't know exactly how I was able to get her to see the good sides of it because her family did not have rental property and it was that kind of the idea that most people would have. Oh, rental property. I don't wanna get 12 AM phone calls, unplugging toilets, and people tearing up rentals, but I think the numbers don't lie. She's very numbers oriented. I'm k. The the black and white on paper. That's where things make sense. And for me, it's big picture 10,000 foot.
So, yeah, we'll figure it out. We'll make a way, and, which really evens us out well. But I think that's probably where I was able to make sense to her that look at on paper. This is what rents are. This is what your outgoing expenses are. And if it makes sense, and we didn't have, like I said, we didn't have any money. So I think that was a pretty big deal to have an extra thousand bucks a month out of something. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly.
Do you look back at that decision because that really, like you said, that was your start. Obviously, you've done a lot since then, but that was the catalyst. It got her on board. It took what you knew your dad doing into, like, now. Okay. I've done it for myself. Looking back, if you hadn't done that deal, Wolfe you still be where you are, or would it have been slower? Would it have been different with your wife? Give me some feedback. There's zero chance we'd be over at now.
1, just because of dumb luck of we started in 2014, 2013, buying stuff was cheap. You could find contractors that wanted and needed work. If we'd have waited until now, almost 10 years later, it's way more expensive. It's much harder to find contractors that are gonna work for someone, especially a first time. So there's zero chance we'd have been able to scale if it wouldn't have started in that probably 2 year stretch.
So a lot of it was just dumb luck that we were fortunate to start at that time. Yeah. And so is the takeaway from what we're talking about for the listener to just go for it? Is it that simple? Just do it. Don't wait. I think probably 75% of it is, yeah, do not get in that analysis paralysis. Obviously, you wanna make good decisions. It needs to make sense on paper. You Don't make a decision that's going to put your family in a position where you're gonna lose your house or Wolfe.
But, yeah, just you have to be willing to pull the trigger because if you don't, you're always gonna regret down the road Kings you didn't do because things just don't typically get cheaper and cheaper over time.
It's gonna go the other way and it's gonna make it harder and harder for you to pull the trigger, especially once you have Kings, taking risks, for the first time, once you've got a family and you've got someone else to provide for it, that's a, that's a risk that I'm unfamiliar with compared to starting when it was just us. Yeah. Yeah. 100%. Okay. Let's get into Chaz you've been growing this thing and scaling this thing.
What was a good decision that you made along the way that outside of getting started The has really enabled you to be where you are. The best decision outside of just getting started was quitting my job in November 2020 and going full time and just making a decision that we're gonna do this full time. That's the only way we're gonna be able to scale. That's the only way we're gonna be able to take this to the next level and Chaz was a really good decision that we made.
And Chaz didn't come lightly. I'm sure. I I you know, you're in the midst of COVID. You're working from home. You said, You're working for a company. You're doing Zoom Kings. All the fun stuff. Your sons look learn learning to walk in the midst of you doing Zoom meetings for work. Why in that moment? Was it just okay? Enough is enough. Was it what was The what were you thinking in that moment? Yeah. So I think it's a 2 part answer.
1 so my previous job, I worked for the United States Senate, Kings changed drastically with COVID. Yeah. The job I went from a job where I traveled a lot, and I was meeting with people a lot. And I get a lot of fulfillment out of being face to face and having those relationships. No matter what I was doing, that was gonna be a difficult thing for me over COVID Kings this kind of zoo meeting 7 days a week, 5 days a week.
And then what I did my job, I worked on a lot of military and veterans affairs. So when COVID hit. Obviously, I still had those things to do, but then I was overnight along with all my colleagues trying to become experts on things that we weren't familiar with. Or maybe even interested in. So it was a part I was ready to take our business to the next level. In part, I was just burnout of what I was Kings. And, really, I'd kinda lost my love at that time for being involved in politics.
Yeah. Yeah. I understand that for sure. Okay. And so you hit the scale button and you left and you haven't looked back, what have you done along the way flipping the coin here to a bad decision? And that's just been uber rough. Wish you could change it. I don't know if I wish I could change it because I think I probably learned more from the bad decisions. Not I think I guarantee I'll learn more from the bad decisions than anything good.
But when we had just started, we'd probably been doing this for a year, and I would go to auctions and they'd auction off 20, 30, 40 houses in 1 night. And I'd go look at the ones that I was interested in and hopefully bid and maybe win a couple of those or one of those and there was a The online from the marketing material, and it was really cheap and nobody was bidding on it. So I was like, that's too good too good to miss. So I just bid on it and ended up buying it.
And then I remember 2 days later, I met at the auction company out there to do my walk through after I'd already paid my earnest money that was nonrefundable, which I might also have a double what I thought it was because I didn't do my research. So, all of these things were just like making me more and more anxious, and then we get inside and it was just ten times the project that I expected so that I'm realizing this is why this property nobody was bidding on it because it's a big project.
And, again, I go back to we did not have the capital to handle a project Chaz size my wife was helping me a lot at the time. So we were spending hot, sweaty days like today, working in this gross delapidated apartment building, and it took a lot of the wind out of our sails. We're probably 6 months to a year. Slowed us down, but we learned a lot And Yeah. Eventually, we made it work, but it was a a tough lesson.
And so what the lesson that I'm pulling out here, tell me if I'm wrong, You already said, no, don't analysis, paralysis type of a thing upfront, but maybe just do a little due diligence? Yes. A little. At least do some. I have not even The by this place. Yeah. Yeah. And even then, you could've driven by. You could've walked through. And then when you ripped up the first layer of the flooring, find out that there's so much more. So there's always the possibility.
That's why you can never overanalyze it, but the lessons that you learned out of that, I'm gonna guess that you and wifey figured out a whole lot of lessons inside the house. Like, your household Yeah. Out even just not even lessons counting ones that you learned in business in the marriage. Yes. Absolutely. Just a lot of getting through stress. So many lessons on how we tackle projects on our own, how we handle that there was zero time for probably 5 or 6 months where we had an evening at home.
It was just Right. Every day after work, go and you'd work until 9 or 10 o'clock. Go home, go to work the next day, rinse and repeat. So, we learned a lot, but it was a great lesson that made us better. What would your wife say now about that time frame? Because I think and I'm gonna preface this because I think a lot of entrepreneurs that are listening. They have a Wolfe, or maybe they're a female and they have a husband that's on the other side of whatever business that they have.
And The driver, the pusher that's in you and I are the person that's listening. Like, that's never gonna change. We're gonna keep making decisions like this that keep pushing us forward. And it's gonna keep challenging us. And there's gonna be moments where you're eating the KFC bucket of dinner inside the 6 plex because guess what we're doing tonight. And we've been knowing that we're gonna do this every night until it's done.
But I guess my question now, what would wifey say now about that time frame because you mentioned that it was just a short period of time. Even if it had been 6 months or even a year, there's, like, communication that went into that. You were in alignment. You were on the same page because if you weren't you probably wouldn't be married. Yeah. What would Wolfe you say about that time frame of life now? Hey, Chaz Wolfe here.
As many of you know, I have been on an absolute mission to help entrepreneurs from all across the country in many different industries, level up their game and grow their business, and intentionally connect with other entrepreneurs. We do Chaz, obviously, through the podcast, but we also have a peer to peer mastermind group specifically for 7 to 9 figure business owners.
We are bringing some of the best and most successful entrepreneurs and minds together in a regular and a super intentional way to not only grow our network, but to be able to leverage.
And at a certain point in business, success becomes about leverage, leveraging time, leveraging resources, leveraging key relationships, The is exactly what we're doing inside of the peer to peer mastermind group called Gathering The the Kings, specifically for 7 to 9 figure business owners, So if that's you, if you're ready to level up your 7 to 9 figure business even to the next level and get around other big hitters just like you, I want you to go to gathering the Kings dot com.
Fill out a short application, and, it'll come to an application, call with me, and I wanna chat with you, see if it might be a good fit. Talk soon? I would guess that initially, she would probably say, oh my god. I can't believe we did that. That was brutal. That was a long 6 months or however long we did Chaz. But I think she would probably think for a second longer and probably say the same thing as me. I'm glad we did it.
We found a way to make that deal work and work financially, and it helped take us to next steps in knowing what we're good at or not good at how you better leverage your capital. So, I, I think that should be probably on the same page indeed. We both hated doing it at the time. But we got a lot out of it. Yeah. Yeah. I love that perspective. And just for the listener here, just to pull something out for you guys, the baseline here is that they're doing together.
And so I'm sure that there was some frustrations and some back and forth conversations, but the reality of it is that as entrepreneurs, It's gonna be like this. I'm a decade in. 8 companies I've bought sold, purchased, closed, you name it, and the Converse that I have with Julie have got to continue to be around, hey. Here's where we're going. Hey. Here's the expectation. Hey. For the next week, I'm not gonna be available until this time or, hey.
This next week, we're gonna moo manipulate my schedule so we can have some afternoon time with the kids or it if you're not communicating, if you're not, like, genuinely trying to get into alignment with each other, it's just not gonna work because as entrepreneurs, we're crazy. Just to be honest. What you did there buying that place, that's crazy. But you love it. I love it, and we're gonna do it again. We could talk about how crazy it was and how intense it was, but it's gonna happen again.
It's gonna happen again and again and again. This is what we do. And so my encouragement to you as a listener is just to get on the same page, get in alignment with your spouse because Otherwise, you're gonna be constantly tied up in the craziness as opposed to free because your wife now knows. She knew then you were crazy, but she really knows now that you're crazy. But she also knows that you're gonna figure it out. Yeah. That's exactly right.
And you learn a lot from each other in those because she learned all those Kings, and I didn't learn it at that point, but I learned while we were doing those first few projects Chaz she was all in, even though she was apprehensive to jump in and make that first purchase, once we closed, that was not just my problem. That was our problem. And she would come and help me, and she was putting up ceiling fans, changing outlets.
She was a 100% in because she had to be than I had to be, and we made it work. I love that, man. Such a great story. Okay. So Tell me about a process or a discipline that you guys have now as you're analyzing deals or just making decisions. You've given me the good, the bad, Tell me what you do now with decisions. So I'll be going back to that auction process of how we bought that property years ago.
Now, I've developed a process in how I go look at whether it's an auction property or a wholesale deal or something that's listed on the MLS. I do due diligence I go look at it, I make sure that it checks all the boxes so I'm not wasting my time to go look at it. Because, you know, that happens. You'll think, oh, man, I've gotta jump on this and I have to go see it right now. And then you go look at it, and it's nothing like what you expected or nothing what the pictures look like.
Or maybe you read something in the disclosure later after you've already wasted your time looking at it Chaz excludes it from what you wanna do. So I think doing that quick due diligence. It doesn't, you know, sometimes it takes 5 minutes, but that's a super valuable 5 minutes so you don't spend 2 hours doing something that provides zero worth to you.
And then after I I go look at a property, I've got another process of going through, plugging everything in just I handwrite notes as I go through, but I've got a checklist so I make sure I check everything because going back to the point of wasting time. Yeah. I've looked at houses and, like, it's time to to pull the trigger and write an offer or bid on it at an auction. And I'm thinking, man, Did Chaz have a new roof on it? I don't remember.
And I can't go off of the seven month old Google Maps and making a decision that big. Just a process. You make sure you check all those boxes and make sure that you're totally understanding what you might be getting yourself into. Yeah. Yeah. And probably the underlying thing that I'm taking away from you is, again, you we've Kings of got this balance of analyzing, but then it not, like, a causing delay. And, actually, what I heard you say is created these processes so that you can go fast.
Yes. And it's not actually so that you can over analyze and get stuck. It's so that, hey. Look. If I know what I'm checking every single time and I checklist in front of me, if I'm thorough, then I can go fast. I can actually get it done faster, which may allow you to do more deals. Yeah. Absolutely. Because once I fill out that checklist, and I have a good understanding of how much something's going to cost, not only the initial purchase, and then capital improvements after that.
But then I have a number that just you add in some track, put them all together, and you've got, okay, that's my maximum purchase price. I'm gonna pay for that. That's in this market. I've had to adjust that a little bit. But you're prepared going into an auction where things are moving extremely fast and you're working with pretty big numbers. And now you you have your your limit, and you've gotta realize that stick to your limit. You've got it for a reason.
And it's it's gonna be much more valuable Chaz you stick to things on paper and not let your emotion say, oh, man, I gotta be competitive, and I've gotta win this bid. Yep. 100%. Yeah. Stand out of the emotion, stand to your checklist, to your box, help you make good decisions. That's for sure. Alright, Mike. We're gonna transition to the speed round. I got a question for you around metrics. I want you to dwindle the entire down. Of course, you got the buying. You're renovating. You're holding.
You have tenants, like, all these angles of the business. I want you to dwindle it all down into The trackable metric for me. What is it? Time. Time is the only metric to me that really matters out of all of those things. I can make more money and I year. I can make more money next month. I can spend less on the next remodel. Sure. And when it comes to money, that's something that it's there's more available. There's more out there, but there's I'm not gonna get the time back.
I'm not gonna have another chance to be with my two month old kid or my three year old kid and be consented at any age, there's we're not gonna get that time back. So time is the only metric that really means everything to me. How do you track it now? So is it, like, do you have a certain amount of time you're trying to spend with the kiddos with the family? You're only working so many hours. Like, how are you measuring So I don't necessarily measure it.
It's more of a, I very rarely work past 5 o'clock anymore. There's almost 0 work time unless it's an emergency from 5 PM till bedtime and with little kids bedtime, if it's at 7:30 or 8 o'clock, by the time you get home from a 5 o'clock workday, you've got 2 a half hours of your Kings. So you better use it really well. So I make sure that I'm home almost every day by that time so I can be with The.
And then I make sure that I'm hardly ever working on weekends anymore because that same reason just can't get that time back. Yeah. 100%. Okay. And what book would you recommend that a 6 figure business owner or someone who's in real estate who's maybe just getting started, what would you recommend for those guys who are trying to scale their businesses? Yeah. So 2 recommendations.
One is probably the same Chaz almost every business person would recommend definitely in real estate is rich dad poor dad, like Kysaki. That's could just get a lot of lessons and just business and life. The other book I would recommend is written by a guy from which he saw not a very well known book. In my mind, it's risk only money by Jack Deboer, the root of that book, he was very successful.
He did a lot of really impressive things as a entrepreneur, but at some point in his life, he realized that he had made lots of money, but he had alienated himself from his friends and his family. And it didn't really matter. He had a private jet that he could go anywhere he wanted, but he didn't have anybody to go with him Chaz actually genuinely wanted to be a part of his life, it doesn't really matter. Yeah. That's huge. What do you think many different angles. I wanna go with that.
What was the takeaway from the book around? What was The after? Why did he get himself into that place? What was he What did he think that he was gonna get? I think it was just The it's the same thing that probably both of us and anybody else who's been in business with. It's chasing that dollar. Chasing the next cool thing, the, the beach house, the plane, the boat, whatever it is, it's really easy to put Kings money ahead of your relationships and the people around you. Yeah. So big.
And just to give some encouragement to the to listeners Chaz, I love what you said about the The with the kiddos. Done that same thing for a long time. I put my kids down to sleep every night. We're just now starting to transition trying to take I'm trying to take some afternoon hours. For some family time. So we're gonna see what it looks like here in a couple months when we transition, but trying to do some trying to do some daytime daddy daycare. You know what I mean? Yeah. Absolutely.
We'll see what happens. I'm a unique I'm a unique figure where I have, I'm determined I have 2 flow states. So I usually The the evening, I get ramped back up, my ideas, and my focus after I could put the kids down. So we're gonna try to see if we can facilitate a daytime and a evening flow stay with a family time in the middle. So that'd be fun. Yeah. Absolutely. Okay. Do you intentionally network or mastermind with other entrepreneurs?
Yeah. So I I do a lot of networking Kings it's not necessarily with the purpose of building business relationships that are going to pay off somehow for me. I think it's just Kings sure you organically are around the right people, make sure that you're hanging out with people that you want to be like or they they set an example that is somewhat, what you wanna be, whether it's financially or the way they are involved in this community or the way they treat their family whatever it may be.
So I work pretty hard to just make sure I'm around people that are somewhat like minded or align with me somehow. So I attend a lot of real estate luncheons and networking events, and we've got a pretty, pretty good community here in Wichita where we get together once a month. And sometimes there's 50 or seventy five people. And then I spent a lot of time in civic organizations that I think do a lot of that for me too.
People that have zero commonality with me as far as working in the real estate realm, but The are people that care about where they live and there are people that work hard in their business that might be a 100% different from mine, but we all have pretty similar goals. Yeah. Yeah. That's incredible. Okay. Last question here for you. If you lost it all, everything that you've been building in the last decade, what would you do?
I think I would I'd reach out to those contacts that we were just talking about. I think that find out who your friends are when you get in a place like Chaz. And the people that know who you are and they understand what kind of person you are, and your drive and your, your character, they're gonna be the ones that make or break you at that time, and it's gonna be all because of the way you acted. When you're on top.
So I would I'd reach out to The people and remind them that I'm still the same guy and try to figure out where my next step is, whether it's going back to getting a job or borrowing capital from people or Gathering, or who knows what it is, but Yeah. Going back to those people that hopefully you treated right previously and making your way back upward again. Yeah. No. You're so right. The relationship means everything.
And it goes it ties back to what you're just saying a little bit ago as far as networking. It's not just networking necessarily under the next deal. It's networking for the sake of I'm a good person. There's other good people out there. I need to meet The. And maybe we do a deal together. Maybe we don't, but at least I've made connection. Now I can begin a relationship with this person. Yeah. Absolutely.
I think most people in business would would agree that a lot of time, you're not investing money or time in a business or a cause because the numbers make sense because you get a lot of faith and the person that's doing it and you believe that whatever they do, it's gonna succeed. Yeah. Yeah. 100%. And I think the guys at a high level desire to be that I want my clients to think that a way about me. I want my team members to think that way about me.
I want people that I meet through a podcast to think that way about me. So, like, I think that everything that you just described character wise is what we're after as well. I think that's the basis of of a pressing in to those relationships. You you've been extremely valuable, Mike, you've given us mindset here, you're, you're a young guy with some moves. You've got a young family. You're prioritizing them. I'm just so thankful for guys like you that I can run with. I am curious.
So how can the listener connect with you? They wanna get to know you better. Maybe they wanna do a deal with you even. Sure. Yeah. Go on Facebook. Instagram and LinkedIn reach out to me on any of those, and I've sent my information over to you. I'm I imagine you'll have links for those. Yep. Look me up, Google me, and you'll find me. That's awesome. I appreciate your willingness to be available. Of course, man, I love real estate. I love legacy. We're cut from the same cloth in that regard.
We wish you nothing but success in your future projects. Hey. I appreciate it. It was good talking to you. Thank you for listening to Gathering the Kings today. I hope that you were able to pull out a few nuggets to go apply into your business right away. More importantly, though, I hope that you're realizing that it takes more to be doing it all on your own, carrying the weight all by yourself.
What I have realized, not only in my own journey from multiple businesses and mall different industries and now interviewing over 2 or 300 The very successful 7, 8, and 9 figure business owners is that It's tough to do it alone. And so gathering the Kings exists to bring together successful entrepreneurs. In fact, we are putting together The 1000 kings, specifically who are grateful, but not done.
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