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286 | Rocking It Out And Making It Work in Construction

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In this episode, Chaz Wolfe engages with Brian Kelley, a successful entrepreneur, discussing Brian's journey, his decision-making process, and his views on networking. They delve into the highs and lows of Brian's business, his book recommendations, and his approach if he lost it all.

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On today's episode of Gathering the Kings. My advice to anybody that's out there, when you got someone that's trying to push you into something that you're really not comfortable with because your skill set's not there, it's okay to say no. You know what? There's gonna be other work that's gonna come in. Yep. Go knock on some doors or whatever it is you gotta do and just be excellent at 1 or 2 things. Until you get excellent at the other ones that you wanna tackle.

You are listening to Gathering the Kings with Chaz Wolfe, featuring fellow 78 and even 9 figure business owners who have real battle scars from business and life, but have prevailed as the king that they are designed to be. We welcome high performing entrepreneurs to the stage in order to reveal the reel of the reel. On what it takes to build a picture of the journey of success and how you too can get there.

Through this dialogue, you will learn the value of growing your network and surrounding yourself with power players and keys like today's guest. Grab your pen and notebook because we're about to dive in. What's up everybody? Chaz Wolfe gathering the king's podcast today. I've got Brian Kelly here on the king stage. Mamaian, how are you? I'm good, man. How are you doing? I'm incredible, but I'm jealous. And you're in the northwest Spokane, Washington. You're in your mobile unit today.

I can just I can smell the freshness through the screen here of the that cool mountain air. I don't have that here in Kansas City right now. Yeah. I've never been to Kansas City. The only reason I'd go would probably be for IHOP, and that'd be about it. There you go. Maybe one day we'll meet each other, but But, ideally, it wouldn't be in a hot and muggy place. It'd be in a cool breezy mountain area, but regardless, Brian, tell us what kind of business that you have.

Okay. So I own a construction company that specializes in interior finished carpet carpentry. So we're the guys that come in after drywall. And we put up all the doors, the millwork. We're the ones that really make your turn your house into a home. So all that pretty woodworking in the magazines, That's what we do. Yeah. Love it. I just got done building a house. We moved in March. We've been building still technically, there's pieces still being done.

So we've been building for what seems like 24 months, but I'll tell you what, you're right. The trim, the building closets, the doors, the the stuff around the fireplace. You just name it. You're a 100% right. And I'll tell you what, We got to know our trim guy or the millwork. The I got we got to know him better because, man, it was a big job. He was here for a long time. Oh, wow. Nice. And and I don't know if you could tell, but I I've got some I've got some trim design here behind me.

I don't know if you could tell that or not. Some of the Oh, yeah. I see it. Nice. Trem on the Wolfe? Yeah. There you go. So That's good. I wanna know. And before we jump into your history here and your story, I wanna know what makes you tick. Why are you still building this business? Obviously, you've been successful. Otherwise, at a certain revenue mark, we wouldn't have we wouldn't have had you here on the show, but Why are you still doing it?

I actually so I just turned forty years old this year in January, and people are like, hey. That's just a bit that's a big deal. And I'm just like, it's just another number, and then I didn't realize it actually is. So this year, I've really done a lot of serious deep introspection inside of myself. And I've had to ask myself. I'm like, is this really what you wanna do? I've been doing this for 20 years, so I'm at that point of retirement from this field and maybe going to another one.

So I literally had to ask myself those questions. I'm like, if you didn't do this, what would you do? And would you enjoy doing it? Because, obviously, I'm an entrepreneur. I know how to build something from the ground up. It's if I'm gonna to do this, am I gonna go work for someone else or work for myself? But even in all those questions and that introspection of where am I gonna be in the next 5 years, And looking at this company, I'm like, why am I doing this?

And it's because I really enjoy it. I love to build. I love to create I love being able to walk into a blank pallet and be able to get in there and start literally just painting on the canvas, except I use wood and wood products. And that's what I enjoy doing. That's cool. And so when it really comes down to it, I love to build things. And I love to make it look beautiful. I love the art of the craft and just the the mental games of having to put some of this stuff together.

Yeah. Because there's a lot of times someone comes in and gives you a picture or blueprint, and, hopefully, it's a good blueprint or a good picture. Sometimes it's not. They're like, hey. We want this, and then you gotta go figure it out. How's it gonna work? How's this piece gonna come together? Because literally what I do is we're puzzle makers. That's right. We take a puzzle. We make the puzzle, and we put it together. So true. And since I've been doing it for so long, I make it look easy.

But it's not. Yeah. It's not at all. And the other one other thing too that I really had to come around for us. So is in my industry, we have such a shortage of harassment, and they say laborers, but we have such a shortage of harassment. If I leave now with my knowledge. I'm not giving anything back to my industry. I'm not giving anything back to my community.

The knowledge that I have, and I possess the skills I wanna take that and give it to the next generation so that they can be successful with their career and where they're going with carpentry and or entrepreneurship or whatever it is. Because I'm one of those guys. You can come work for me for 3, 4 years, and you're like, hey, Brian. I really wanna go do this. I'm gonna get excited for you, and I'm gonna love you. And I'm gonna help you there get to that point. Yeah. That's cool.

Do you find that a lot of guys that work for you are young, the sparring craftsman, Not right now. It's I've got a couple young kids that I'm trying to get on. It's been tough. Most of the people are my age. So they're, like, thirties to thirties and up.

Yeah. We had because of how they really enforced the 4 year degree and all that, there was probably there was a large gap where no one actually entered the construction trades, which is one of the reasons why we have some of the construction slowdowns even before the pandemic just because we did have enough manpower. But now we're starting to look more attractive to people because you don't have to go to school, you're gonna learn. There's a reason why there's a 4 year journeyman process.

So you're gonna be a batch have a bachelor's but you're making money the whole entire time. Yeah. And your skills are going up and you're learning around people that have been doing it for years. So it's not like you're using like this school environment where you're learning out of a book. You're actually in the field getting dirty, learning the tricks, making money be able to provide for your families.

And, you know, that's one of the things that we have to offer, and it's fun because we literally the trades literally build America. We build your cities. We maintain them. We operate them. We design it. We are the guys that keep this thing without us. It goes it goes to Toast pretty quick. That's right. Yep. That's right. I appreciate that vision and just the ability for you to be vulnerable there because I think we've all had that conversation of do I wanna continue?

What do I see myself doing in 5 years? And there's always those moments that pull us whether it be back in or push us over the edge and we something different. I know I've had multiple of those moments over the course of my entrepreneurship journey as well. Tell us just real quick here. How did you get started? Like, was business always up your sleeve, or how did you become to be an actual business owner? Business was actually always up my sleeve even though I didn't realize it.

Unfortunately, for me, I love my mom and dad, but they are the ones that said you need to go get a good job Chaz pays good money and stay there. But then on the other hand, push me to go out there and mow lawns, pull weeds, do stuff like that and make money. And the thing was I like to make money. And I was like, oh, shoot. I can go mow this lawn and make ten bucks, which for a kid is good mine. Yeah. And then I went in the savings process at that point in time where I took half of it.

I could do whatever I want, and I took the other half, and I put it in the savings account. And that's how I bought my first car. And then so I had my lawn mowing business when I was a teenager. And plus I worked another job at a burger joint, and I was in the restaurant industry for probably 5, 6 years. Before coming into construction. And so when so a little bit getting a little bit deeper and more vulnerable here. When I was younger, I was a little Wolfe and crazy.

I had a big anger problem, so I got fights all the time. Just got in trouble. And and Atlanta in the big house for a couple years. So I got out of there, and I was also selling drugs, which I was selling pot at the time, which was illegal, which the irony is looking back at is just that's another entrepreneurial thing in a very bad way. You said the wrong you said the wrong object. I did. I had the wrong product. That's what it was. I'm in prison. I get out, and now I'm forced to get a job.

But I'm limited because now I'm a fell and my felony was for a $80 check forgery in Idaho. Idaho is really, really hard on people, and they do this. You have to get this guy out the streets. Yeah. Since then, Jesus got ahold of me up in a reform around nowhere close to that guy or thank god. Sure. Yeah. So I'm working this landscaping job, which ironically was called Kelly Garden Center is what it was. Okay. And so I'm working there and my foreman's brother on the finish carpentry up.

And he'd been talk talking to me about it and, turn it down twice. And then the third time, like, fine, I'll go check it out. I'll try this. And I did. And I'm riding in the truck with these guys, listening to them talk. The wireless things are coming out. I'm like, lord, I don't know if I could do this. And then I just jump in. I try it out and come to find out I'm really good at finished carpentry. Yeah. And that's what really started my journey in construction because I got recruited.

I didn't pursue it. I got recruited. And since my options weren't that great, like, I couldn't go get a job as a businessman for some big corporation because of my record, I had to come to the point of, if I'm gonna do this, I gotta do it on my own. Yeah. And the irony is so I went from finished carpentry, and I've done pretty much everything, construction, except for the major mechanical stuff. My first business was in my twenties right before the recession.

No. In the recession is what happened. I started a roofing company in the middle of the recession. And the only reason I did that is because I went down to California, which got hit really hard to roof a house for my uncle on his rental, Yeah. And I spent 10 days there. We did that. We got that thing flipped ready to go, and I sold 5 jobs in California in 10 days. Wow. Without trying. Yeah. I'm just, you know, I said to myself, wait. You got a big old chunk of change in your pocket.

If you can do it in California, you can do it back home. That's right. And so I went and bought tools I needed, and then I just started selling rolls. And I did book a couple and then I got to the point where I was able to fire one job, And because I was working too at the time just to get myself back on on my feet. Yeah. And then I've got to the point where I was busy enough, and I'm like, you know what? We can do this. Got enough work here. We could pay our bills and do it.

And I finally fired my other job, and I went to work for myself. And I was doing roofing, and I partnered up with an old friend of mine that did trim a paint, and so we both just tag tape things. So when I couldn't roof, I was doing trim a paint, and we just went and dropped it out as much as you can during the recession of 2008. Exactly. I love the story. I think it resonates with, for sure, a lot of put folks in the trades.

But even folks that didn't go through necessarily the issues and what the real estate and what the trades went through during that time, I still think that as an entrepreneur, we hear that story. We go, Yep. I've always had a little chip on my shoulder. I've always maybe done things a little unique. So let's go back to you can use your the roofing company as an example, if you'd like, but maybe just early years of this carpentry business that you have now.

Obviously, you're successful now, but I wanna go back to maybe year 1, year 2 before the $1,000,000 mark. And I want you to tell me about a good decision that you made that you can look back on and go, yeah, that was a that one right there and then share that with the listeners. Okay. So for me, 1st year of business taken on whatever I can doing a lot of different remodels. And I decided from doing research on, hey. How do I grow the sink this time in this area? No one knows who I am.

I know I'm really good at this. And I read something about joint and association. So I did some research, and I joined the Home Builders Association here in Spokane. And that was probably the best decision I made. Wow. Because I went in there And we did the interview process. I gave him the $650 for the membership fee. And then next thing you know, they're talking to some people and get me connected with one of the big builders around here.

Yeah. And I went over there to the big builder and it was just me as a single member guy just doing stuff. I went and did four houses in 2 weeks for him, blew their minds, better quality, better speed, And then they're like, okay. We're gonna give you this subdivision. It was a small one. They always do that. And I went rock that out, then they brought me to the higher end.

So And there was, like, 2 or 3 other finished carpenters there at the time aside from myself, then it just kept getting to the point where it was me and then 2, and then me and then 1, and then next CNO, they're like, hey. We want you to take everything. Yeah. And at that point in time, I'm just like, oh, shit. Now I gotta beef up. And I ended up hiring one guy. And then, we were just rocking things out, and we just had to hire a few more. And that was a process.

It's the interview process really of hiring employees doesn't happen. It really happens out in the field, and that's the thing I learned because that's where you get to see not only a good fit for the and culture? Can you pick up what we're doing? Can you show up on time? Are you not on drugs? Was one of the issues I came across? And Yeah. And just went through the whole entire gamut. And I don't care what company you're part of or what business. Everyone deals with that hiring process.

Yeah. So we grew pretty fast And the other thing with the association that I learned, and I guess I would call myself a master at is networking. Yep. I would go to as many networking events as I possibly could, and I went in there with the idea I'm not here for sales. I'm here to build relationships, and it worked. Yeah. And now I'm at the point where they're calling me and I'm not calling them and knocking on doors.

Yeah. And just building those good relationships, being honest, doing what you say you're gonna do. Yeah. And if you screw something up, go and fix it. It's for me, it's pretty simple in that in that aspect Chaz far as the work work wise. It it is pretty simple, and I'm glad that you even said that afterwards because I was thinking the same thing. Wow. So simple that you would just join a place where there's other people who you can add value to.

And then eventually what happens is that when you're given the opportunity so I I several layers of what you said there. Number 1, put yourself in a position to meet other people. Just the other people need to know what services that you have, whether that's guessing on a podcast, whether that's going to a networking event, whether that's joining a mastermind group, whether that's talking to your family and friends. Oh, hey. I now have the skill set.

Like, other people need to know that you have this availability. And then when given the opportunity, what I heard you say is that you did it freaking Wolfe. You did it with excellent. You did it with speed. You did it with accuracy so much so that they didn't just give you another job. They gave you to pull other jobs and it and excellence will always it will reverberate is probably the right word.

When you provide excellence, and value inside of the excellence to people like this example that we're talking about here of Brian continuing to get new jobs. It reverberates to the person that you're giving value to. They now want you on all their other jobs. Or they wanna introduce you to other people. This is just how relationships and value works. You wanna add anything to that? I was, but then I forgot. I'm trying to remember right now. Sorry about that. That's alright.

It'll come back to you. If it does, just jump in. I wanna know, flip the coin. Let's talk about a bad choice. What'd you do along the way, especially in those earlier years that you wish you maybe wouldn't done? Taking on projects, probably, that I wasn't as skilled in just to stay busy. And because of that, I wasn't able to be as in that as I do with finished carpentry. Yeah. I that would be honestly that that, and I did take a big contract one time.

With a company that I just had a gut feeling. I just didn't do it. I talked to some of my peers, and they said, just stay away, dude. Just stay and I did it, and it was a disaster. Yeah. And and that hurt my reputation because they had me doing things at I'm not really qualified to do. And they're like, you're smart enough. You can figure it out. Yeah. I can figure it out, but not on a production level, and you might want me to practice a little bit. Yeah. And that's something I've dealt with.

So I guess my my advice to anybody that's out there, and you got someone that's trying to push you into something that you're really not comfortable with because your skill set's not there. Okay to say no. You know, there's gonna be other work that's gonna come in. Yep. So just sit back, relax for a little bit, go knock on some doors or whatever it is you gotta do. And just be excellent at 1 or 2 things until you get excellent at the other ones that you wanna tap. 100%.

I love Chaz. And I love how you said sit back and relax because that's the mentality, but the action was go knock on some doors. You can't sit back and relax on the couch. You say back and relax in your mind of going, don't operate from scarcity. Don't operate from a place of desperation. Go knock on some doors, though. Yeah. Well, that's the thing too is, like, the scarcity mindset.

It's almost like a fear based model that hits your head and you can't make good decisions if you're operating in anger and fear. That's right. And then you're desperate and you're actually what you're doing is you're grabbing, I don't like a cube steak instead of a fillet mignon or the rib eye. So we're not here going after the cube states. We're here to go after the rib eyes. Yeah. Yeah. And it's the poised to know that the rib eyes do exist. Not even just exist, but that they come regularly.

But if you're constantly full on the cube stake, then you're not looking for the rib eye. It's all about mindset and perspective, for sure. Hey, Kings and Queens. Chaz Wolf. I wanna talk to you about something that's super important to me. We put a lot of time and effort. We, meaning myself and my team, into this podcast, into the content that goes out every single day. And if you have been getting any sort of value or insight from this, we want it to be able to reach other business owners too.

So we would love if you would like, comment, share, leave a review, post, share again, all of the things. On social media, on all the different platforms, or even on the podcast mediums of Apple and Spotify. We would love to be able to get our content into more hands, more entrepreneurs so they can grow their business as quick as possible. Together, we are building a community of like minded entrepreneurs who are committed to growing their businesses to new heights. So let's do this.

Let's help each other. Let's help each other grow. Sure. Okay. Tell us, Brian. It what kind of discipline may or maybe a process that you have around making decisions now. You were just hinting on a little bit with the stake idea there, but how do you make decisions today as a successful business owner. I'm starting to use more data, and I question my decisions. What is the worst possible thing I can do in this area. And I answer that question, and then I just go backwards. And let me see.

That's a tough one. I'm in this transition phase right now where I am trying to be better at decision making. Yeah. I think honestly, when it really comes down to it, my decisions that I'm making for my business, my company, and who I am, this does this actually fit who I am and who my business is? Yeah. And if it doesn't fit me, then I don't need to touch it. Yeah. And so I want pretty singular focus. Yeah. And that's the thing.

It's just learning that singular focus and knowing who you are and where you're going. Where you can add value. Yeah. Yeah. Because I'm looking at a couple. So here's an example. I'm looking at a couple different projects that came across my way. Like I said, we specialize in finished carpentry. And we've got a GSA project we're looking at. And I was getting a little bit more complicated, and they want us to do more than just finished work. Is how these things normally work.

And I'm like, yeah, the money is great. And if we can get in there and just do trim, I'm gonna do it. But if they want me to start framing and remodeling and stuff like Chaz, then I need to just back away. And then so I'm looking at Chaz. And, yeah, I can probably charge a $1000 a door because there are security doors and so forth and so on, or I can go do the apartment complex that I'm betting on where I know for a fact, I'm gonna make money. Your wheelhouse.

And even with the GSA stuff, there's so much more work involved just in the back end of the office stuff with all the paperwork. It really, for me, this is where I have to ask my question. Do I wanna be able to edit? Yeah. You know? So 100%. I think that we all ask those questions whether it's our business or a decision in the business. What is this decision worth? What's the worst case scenario?

What's it gonna equate to financially or reverberation to team members or clients even, and then you gotta decide Chaz it worth it. Yeah. But that's it's a good reminder. That, that you're positioning yourself like that. Brian, I wanna come at you in a little different way here. I'm gonna bring you the speed round. I wanna know if you dwindled your entire business down, to one trackable metric. What would it be? 1 trackable metric. It would be my finances. How much money is coming in?

What's going out? Because if I can watch that and I can see that, then I know where to focus and hone hone my efforts better. So if I'm working on project a, and we're making a 50% profit margin there, then that's good. Or if I'm working on project b and I'm making a 30% margin. And I'm like, okay. Maybe not book so much there or if I'm on project c, and we literally did a 15%. We don't wanna bother. 15 Yep. Exactly. It's okay.

If we're gonna do this, how do we maximize the profit and get better at it, or actually screw that? I'm not gonna waste my time. I'm gonna go work. On a and b where I know I can make money. Because even at 30%, if I can get that up to 40, that's closer to 50 and there's still a good profit if power Chaz works in your industry and your businesses. Yep. 100%. I love it. What book would you recommend that a 6 figure business owner read?

I would say it's I don't remember the author, but it's called Traction. Oh, yeah. You know Wickman? It's Yeah. Really excellent, especially if you're someone like me that likes to overcomplicate things and just going down that list. So keep it simple. Keep it simple. One of most valuable things I learned from that is when they did their writing out their business plan, and it was, like, four or five pages long or whatever. And he's like, can we turn this down to 3?

Then they got down at threes when we turned this down to 1. And I was just like, that's a really good way of thinking. And the other one that I came across was written by Tommy Milo, I think I said that right. And it's called phone service partner, and he literally just gives you the system that you need to have to put into place and it's almost for me as a craftsman in the construction industry. It's almost like taking methods and systems from, like, McDonald's and fast boot.

Companies and implementing that into my company, working on that with training programs. Yeah. So your training programs or KPIs, your key performance indicators, and also just making sure the office systems are dialed in, and that's something we're currently working on right now is our office system stuff. That's incredible. If you'll say the name of the book, right, when you said it, you you blocked out a little bit. What was the name of the book on that one again?

It was called the home service millionaire. Home service, 1,000,000. I've got it. We'll find it and put it in the show notes of that one and and traction. We've had traction, mentioned several times. Both of those are excellent books. I've heard I've read traction, but heard lots great things about, the home service millionaire as well. Next question, what do you think about intentionally networking or master mining with other entrepreneurs? I think you have to.

If you don't, you're literally robbing yourself from the vitamins that you need for your business and yourself as an entrepreneur and as a business And Yeah. Because here's the deal. One of the things when I started networking, I went and I found the CEO peer group thing and I intentionally went into it because I wanted to see what other industries were like with the owners and the executives. And the thing I really came to find out, we all deal with the same stuff. That's right.

And then we had a bunch of people at this roundtable And once a month, we'd go in there and say, hey. I'm dealing with this. Hey. I'm dealing with this. And we'd all address it and figure out and solve problems together. Yeah. And, yeah, we paid for it, but you know what? It was worth it because you get that DNA from everybody else, and you also realize, hey. I'm not the only one that deals with this problem.

Because one of the problems with being an entrepreneur is we do seclude ourselves sometimes. That's what I do. Stuck up here. And when you go and realize other people are dealing with it and even and, hey. How can I get past this? What have you got? How do you manage work life balance? How do you deal with this stinking thinking in your head or whatever it is? Yeah. So it's intentionally, networking is a must, and it's about growing. You don't, for me, networking isn't about making money.

My networking intentionality is to grow because I know if I grow, the money is gonna come. Yeah. And then I can take that growth and transition that down to my team members and encourage them in that area too. Yeah. Because we're the foundation. And we are the foundation, and we're the ones that lift up our employees and our team members. And I don't even like employees anymore. I think team members is the best way of putting it This gives you into a different mentality and a different focus.

That's right. That's right. Yeah. It's the people that you serve, right, not necessarily that serve you. Exactly. Okay. I got a question here for you around operations. Since you're dialing in some of your operation systems right now, this will be a good one for If you only had 1 hour, Brian, each week to work in your business, you personally, what would you do with that 1 hour to successfully run your business right now? Make sure my budget's in line.

Which one would take that long and then working. That's what I do. Yep. K. And I'm curious. If you if those are the only two plays for you during that hour, what is that in your brain? Because, obviously, those things are connected to everything else. Why those 2 for you and in your business.

Okay. So those 2 for me, my business is that when I need to know where my money's at, what it's doing, how much do I have, how much can I put where and all Chaz, and looking at the numbers of not only seeing how much you have or, you know, how little you've got coming in? And then that right there will spur you with the marketing plan. So for me, I'd be looking at Chaz, and I'm like, okay. Cool. If I need to keep marketing.

In order for me to keep going, brand my company and have money coming in. I gotta keep my foot on that gas pedal. So doing the budgeting, seeing what's coming in and going out, is, like, the big old slap in the face and then that can use you can use that to drive into your marketing. And so you take half an hour doing your budget and take the other half an hour working on your marketing. Yeah. 100%. And there's a lot more we can say about that.

Yeah. I think that just the conciseness of those two things. I think we've gotten a ton of answers on that, but it gives a listener something to think what the way I heard your answer was you gotta pay you gotta pay close attention to the money. And then marketing, if you have no leads, you have no sales, you have no business. Pretty easy. And and even one thing too, then I I screw up at this all the time is you can never take the foot off the gas. Never take the foot off the gas.

Because guess what? Let's say you get you're selling 5 jobs every single month, and you can't get 2 of that month. 3, 4 months down the road, you can get to that job. And if they don't wanna wait, that's fine. There's someone else to do it. But you still have instead of 5 jobs, you got 4 that are coming up. And you gotta keep on doing that because if you don't, you're gonna find yourself stuck and you're gonna have a vacation that you really didn't wanna have.

A little bit more permanent vacation. Yeah. It's funny because that parlay is right into my next question. Brian, my last question here, is if you lost it all, I wanna know what you would do. If I lost it all right now, especially with my network, I go flip a house. I call a couple of friends and say, hey. This is where I'm at. I need to make $40, $50, $60, whatever it is that we can. That's tangible. And I need to borrow money.

I found this house, and I'd go flip a house, and I take that money to restart everything else. Yeah. And I probably actually just most likely would probably just stick with the flipping houses and getting it staying in real estate. Yeah. You're you got trade, but what I'm hearing you say from a mindset perspective is that you would immediately try to solve the cash flow problem and then put it right back into building what you once had.

Yeah. And even in building what I once had, the cool thing is even if I failed, I just learned how not to do it. So I just go do it better. Yeah. We often flip in houses or whatever it is, and it's working for me. I might just stick with that. I can make $40 a month flipping houses or more. Why not? Yep. Yeah. That's a it's a good perspective. I've had a few folks, a few guests answer that with that'd be fun, almost. In a weird way to start all over. It'd be freeing a little bit.

It'd be a little crazy, but You know what? The funny thing, it's just honestly, it's just like the entrepreneurial DNA. There's something about starting something from scratch. It's not we are the crazy ones. We're not we're there for safety and security, but we're the guys that lead that safety and secure job to go and build something that we don't know if it's gonna work or not. We just have faith and believe that it can't, and we're gonna do whatever it takes to make it happen. That's right.

That's right. So that's why or if that mentality comes in. No. You're a 100% right, Brian. You've been absolutely wonderful today. How can a listener connect with you? How can they find you after this? If you wanna get ahold of me, it's good. I've got Kelly Construction. They're on my face page is another one. If you're trying to connect with me on LinkedIn, it's just Brian Kelly, and you'll see CEO of Kelly Construction on there. So Yep. Very good. Those are gonna be the 2 best ways to connect.

I hope that the folks, not only just in your area, but across the country reach out to you. And, you've been you've given some really cool words here today, such simple things that mean really honestly so much, and I think for a lot of us, if they were listening closely. So we wish you nothing but success and blessing in your family, your business, all the things you have your hand too. So thank you for being here. Thank you very much, Chaz. I appreciate it.

Thank you for listening to Gathering the Kings today. I hope that you were able to pull out a few nuggets to go apply into your business right away. More importantly, though, I hope that you're realizing that it takes more to be successful than just being by yourself doing it all on your own, carrying the weight all by yourself.

What I have realized, not only in my own journey from multiple businesses and multiple different industries, and now interviewing over 2 or 300 other very successful 7, 8, and 9 figure business owners is that it's tough to do it alone. And so gathering the Kings exists to bring together successful entrepreneurs. In fact, we are putting together 1000 kings specifically who are grateful, but not done.

We're intentionally assembling kings who fight tooth and nail for their business, family communities, and here's what we believe Chaz in the pursuit of excellence in those areas, that it ignites within us the responsibility to govern power and forge a lasting legacy. So if that relates and and resonates with you and you know that you need people around you, sharp qualified other very successful business owners. I want you to go to gathering the king's dot com.

I want you to take a look at what we're doing if it makes sense for you to be part of our pursuit to 1000 kings. Talk soon.

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