On today's episode of Gathering McKens. I learned that during my early days. I was a early entrepreneur, and back in, you think you're invincible. I know. You're young. You don't need to sleep. You stay up till 4 AM to get the project done. Whatever you need to. Right? Right. And then you start working smarter. I always say humans are like, fine. Why? As we age, we get wiser, we get smarter, not as a young man. You can't be wise.
You don't have wisdom, but you learn all that through your journey. You are listening to Gathering the Kings with Chaz Wolfe featuring fellow 78 and even 9 figure business owners who have real battle scars from business and life, but have prevailed as the king that they are designed to be. We welcome high performing entrepreneurs to the stage in order to reveal the real of the real on what it takes to build a successful business today.
We dissect the good and bad decisions they've made along the way that give a true and accurate picture of the journey of success and how you too can get there. Through this dialogue, you will learn the value of growing your network and surrounding yourself with power players and keys like today's guest. Grab your pen and notebook because we're about to dive in. Alright, guys. Chaz Wolfe. Welcome back to Gathering the Kings today's guest. Is an incredible story.
I've got Kevin Kwok on the stage and and everywhere from or in the story, we take you from his being a software engineer to basically go in bankrupt, he said, in his restaurant, all the way to a an unbelievably successful digital marketing agency Kevin, that conversation, I'm I'm over here sweating, bro. Like, this was an incredible story. Thanks for being on the show. Was that as fun for you as it was for me? It was awesome. Yeah. Okay. So, guys, grab your pen and paper.
This story is one that you're not gonna wanna miss. I I promise you that you get nuggets literally all the way to the end. So definitely make sure you attention and take good notes. Here we go. Alright, everybody. Gathering the Kings back at you. Chaz Wolfe as your host. And today, I've got Kevin Kwok on the stage here. Welcome to, welcome to the king's table, my man. Hey. Thank you for having me join you. Yeah, man.
So you're a fellow Kansas City, and so I don't get to talk to people in my own city very often. So it's cool. We get to be in the same city, and we hardly even knew each other just a couple of weeks ago. Absolutely. How do 2 kings of our robust nature exist in the same city and not know each other? So I'm happy to know you. I'm glad that you're here. The listener. I already probably said this in the intro, but I'm excited about hearing the story because I know tidbits of this.
And so you're really in for a treat here. Kevin, tell us what your business is. Tell us you know, about your team, just in general, your services, give us a snapshot of what you're doing. Yeah. So we're a digital marketing agency here in Kansas City, been around for 7 years going into our 8. I have a team of about 20. We have 6 here in the US, and then we also have a team that I develop over in Sabu Philippines. Wow. And then we also have clients both in the Asia market and also the US market.
So That's incredible. So you just lightly glossed over just some amazing stats there. But first off, you being in digital marketing, that's like a that's like a buzzword for the last, especially 3, 4, 5 years. But you were in the game much earlier than that. So tell us specifically the early years of digital marketing because when you when I hear digital marketing today, I hear a kinda guy on a laptop who thinks he's living the nomad life. And and and there's guys that do that. That's great.
But, like, you're running a real deal ship over there. So tell us about maybe the early days first. Yep. So it's very interesting. So the way I got into the whole digital marketing world. Right? Okay. So I'm a software engineer by trade. Started graduated back in 2. Started be becoming a software engineer. So write software for an international company out of Italy. They did pre press software for the newspaper industry.
Okay. So if people know the time frame around 2004, 2006, that window was when these little things started happening, iPhones. And I would say, I won't say iPhones. It was when the whole blackberry phase, and then you got the whole smartphone phase Chaz Yep. Kill the newspaper industry. During that time, I got lay off as a young man. And I had a amazing gig making 6 figures. You gotta remember I'm in early 20 You're rolling in the dough, bro. Yeah. For back then, it was good cash.
And pretty much Italian company, but then I was in the midwest. So I got pay working from the plants here in the Midwest and got laid off. And during that time, it helped me to really identify, I was like, hey. There's these older executives whenever they got laid off. It was it really devastated their life. Because they had this lifestyle they were living they were used to. So I decided to become an entrepreneur. So I was one one of those before the Gary V Days, I guess.
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Entrepreneur started a company called J29 Global. And at the time, we were doing document imaging in Springfield, Missouri where I went to college. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Attorney to move their paper documents into digital format. Wow. Okay. We started doing that. I always make jokes about we were the hipster company before hipster was even the the word. Right? Yeah. Yeah. So that was around 0406 Wren renting office downtown Springfield.
So I went through that for about 3, 4 years, just like any young man decided to just like you, I I was a serial entrepreneur. So made good money young. So decided, hey. Let's open a restaurant bar. Wow. So decided to open this restaurant bar in this college town. And before before you jump in too much as the restaurant, let me understand. You have this other business you're helping basically people reimagine their stuff into the new age. Yep. And that's going well. Yes. And you say, okay.
So me distract myself with another business because that's what a lot of business owners think that that you distract yourself with another business. But what you're what I heard you say is that you didn't do them at the same time. You built 1, and you felt confident with it. And then you started a second. What is Chaz, is that a process that you've continued to follow, or is that something that you did unknowing I think it was something I did unknown.
Okay. Yep. Would you recommend that again, or would you say just go start 7 businesses all at once, a listener? I would not. So I would say I was young and it's good to have determination and that hunger, but I don't think I I was as white as I am now. Yeah. We're gonna get into that wisdom. For sure. So you open the restaurant and and it's successful right away, or what tell us the tell us a quick story. It wasn't. So my dad was an executive chef. It was his dream to do something with his son.
Wow. So him and I went into it, and we kept the restaurant for about 4 years. It was a cage fusion restaurant with a fine dining element and a college nightlife. And 3 years into the business, we started paying off our debt. We were doing good. We're doing well. My father got diagnosed with cancer. Oh, dude. And it was one of those things that happened so quickly. Yeah. And it changed everything. So I actually, with that business, I took a bankruptcy. Wow. Yep. And in 2008.
Okay. And then Nothing else going on in the economy in 2008. Yeah. Yep. It was a yep. It was the hardest time. I always say It's like similar to now. A lot of if you started your business in 2020 is tough. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So pretty much, yep, that happened. And then I had to really reevaluate, hey. What's my why? For Kevin Kwok. What do I wanna do with my life? Is this where I wanna be? And I pretty much strategize myself back into the digital IT world.
So keep in mind, I was a software engineer. Yep. Went into restaurant tier. Right. And Which which might sound crazy. Right? Mhmm. Yep. And with technology, it changes so fast. So the language I was coding in Phoebe 6, COFusion, and Java was just happening back then. Yeah. Everything changed by the time I got off the restaurant. And what I learned at the restaurant was interesting. So I promoted the entire restaurant using my space. Oh, wow.
That's why I'm telling this story because you asked what I got into digital marketing. Oh, yeah. You're tying it all together for us. I love it. Okay. Keep going. So I built my space. I built a huge following. So I would say my following on my space was influencer status and being a college bar, a drove a lot of business. Yeah. So pretty much I decided to walk away from it, not just because it wasn't successful. It was just something I didn't feel was for me.
Sure. Sure. Through the grieving with my dad and everything, I didn't really have time to do that. So I walked away and I'm pretty much started over and went back to corporate America work for people. And, yeah, and it was during that time I started getting back into the IT world and then slowly asked Facebook started and all these things. Some of my executives at the time, my management said, hey, Kevin. You're outgoing. You understand computers. You you want to oversee social media.
Yeah. Yeah. And I go. Throw you now. Had did you had any experience other than your MySpace, or were you considered a guru because of MySpace actually pause. Okay. The list for the listener who has no idea what MySpace is. Help us understand what MySpace was. Yeah. So my space, I would say early day, Facebook, very similar platform. And That gone. Gone the wind. Disappear overnight. They sold, and there goes, Tom was the founder of my space.
So it was very short live, and then a new player came in. Facebook and Facebook just took off. Took it away. So you are the guru at that point. That's why they wanted you running the social media stuff. Play failure. Hey. This guy understands software Yeah. And this has something to do with computer. A tech stuff. You can manage it. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. And if people now on social media is really marketing in college, I took quite a bit.
Enough marking classes to have a minor, but I wouldn't say that was my thing. But then, so during my corporate time, short period, I started learning how these algorithms work on Facebook and then early adapter to LinkedIn. I was also using LinkedIn back in 2004. For job hunting, recruiting, different things like that. Yeah. So that's how I ended up in digital marketing was really I always say no one plan on digital marketing because there's no, social media degree back in the days.
Most of the guys are doing it and done it for a long time. It was fell into their lap. Yeah. And I think that a lot of entrepreneurs probably relate So if you're taking notes here right now, what I hear Kevin saying is that he's been quick to pivot. He's had trials.
He's had different things that he's done, and learned an experience that were in his wheelhouse and outside of his wheelhouse, but probably the biggest thing I've heard so far in your story is that you just kept going even though maybe one thing didn't work out or, of course, the loss of your dad, not knowing social media, but pressing into it and learning it, it just I'm getting, like, a persistence or a, like, a just like a press in type of feel from you.
Is that what you would say has been a huge part of your story? Yep. It has. It's just I think a big part of entrepreneurship is consistency. Yeah. I think too many times people give up too soon. Yeah. Planning the short game. And and I love to I'll tie that back here because at the beginning, I I obviously introduce you King. You're a 7 figure plus owner.
That's why you're on the show, but not all digital marketers, or for that matter, any listener here who's not in digital marketing, are at that level, but the difference is that you're not just laptop hopping, right, from coffee shop to coffee shop or from beach to beach, whatever. You're running a business. And I think that's what you're saying is that maybe that wasn't that way at the beginning.
And so for the listener today, who's maybe doing the nomad life, the digital nomad life, or or they're they're a contractor. Either way, by playing the short game, you're basically gonna sell out too soon Chaz opposed to sticking with it, trying to build something that's gonna last or or be around in the next 10, 15, 20, 50, a 100 years. And I think you said something that's great. There's a lot of digital nomads out there. There's nothing wrong with Chaz. And but you can't okay.
So everyone Chaz a different goal. Right? If you want a 7 figure lifestyle, 8 figure lifestyle, you can't do it by yourself. There's only 8 hours, you know, 10 hours max, and there's guys that sell the hustle 12 hours. But you gotta live too. Oh, I have 2 boys. I have a seven year old and one does nine. So they take I wanna spend time with them. I wanna leave behind a laggot And if you do it on your own, and I learned that during my early days, I was a early entrepreneur.
And back then, you think you're invincible. You're young. You don't need to sleep. You stay up till 4 AM to get the project done, whatever you need to. Right? That's right. And then you start working smarter as I always say humans are like, fine wine. K. As we age, we get wiser. We get smarter. Not that as a young man, you can't be wise. You don't have wisdom. But you learn all that through your journey.
Yeah. You learn that through experience, and I learned earlier on I am assess successful as the people that are around me. I love that. And it's the people that propel me. If I take care of my clients, I take care of my staff, They take care of you. Exactly. And I think a lot of people do it the opposite direction. They were like, hey. Let's take care of myself first. Yep. Yep. And let let's just be honest. Right?
So as 27 figure plus owners, talking to the majority of listeners here today are our 6 figure guys, and they're trying to get to the 7 figure mark. And so what you've identified is likely the biggest issue for them. It's the fact that they're trying to do too much themselves, they're scared to make investments in people or in in getting around people like you or I that can help them be more successful or think differently or whatever.
And so they're trying to get to that level, but and and some of them even know. I know I need to think differently or think bigger or play bigger or have a team or invest into people, but they're stuck in that. I gotta get mine. How long does that gain go until you really make that switch? To now I wanna take care of the people that are around me.
I think there is I think with that game, I think, really, for me, it started pretty early because I started seeing it, I think, during my restaurant days. You know, the Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And I think it was a wake up call when my dad had cancer. It really I saw my dad. He was an immigrant and a lot of immigrant come in and they put their kids through college and then they work really hard and they just save it. When I call it a mom and pop shop, and it's enough too.
I always say it's almost like creating a prison for yourself. You gotta be there or there's no money. There's no revenue. And I told myself, I don't wanna go through the path of my dad. He did alright. He was I would say he was a business owner versus an entrepreneur. Right. And so I was like, I don't wanna go there pretty early on after I got through my bankruptcy and everything. I was like, because for me, I'm very goal oriented. So I was like, I gotta sprint because I've lost time.
Right. So how am I gonna sprint to get there? And to sprint to get there, you got around with other people. Yeah. 100%. Okay. Let's jump into your your journey a little bit here, specifically regarding decisions. You've given us so much value already. Regarding building teams and and obviously being vulnerable about your dad.
Like, I I hope the listener has paid attention because you've already given us enough to where if I walked away from this pod right now, that I would know some simple things that you've given me. So let's continue that train, but on the line of cisions. I wanna hear a bad decision that you made somewhere in your your story that you've been able to learn from. I'm sure but tell me why it was bad and tell me why the listener should not make the same mistake.
Yeah. I think decisions, for me, I think that restaurant was the bad decision on my part. I think when you're making money, there are good days, and then there are seasons where the pandemic happens. Right. There's too much unknown in this journey that is outside of your control. Sure. So I think every decision you make, you have to really think it through. K. At first, this is good to take risk Yeah. But at the same time, you have to be wise about the risks you take. 100%.
And so why do you feel that was are you saying that you didn't think through what the end result would have been. Yeah. So there was there was several things with that, you know, the picture. I also met someone that Aushiyang back then. I met this guy that said, hey. Let's open a restaurant bar. And I was like, I don't know him that Wolfe, and we went in that together. So now I'm a lot smarter with who I get involved with, who I work with, because business partnerships are a lot like a marriage.
Oh, yes. You don't just jump in. It is your child. It's every bit of your child. I always tell people I have 3 kids. You know, I have, 2, my two boys and my business. Know the people you're around. It's not just 1 year. Get to know. Don't just jump into a business partnership because you just met them and they seem like a good guy. That's right. Now that's super, super good. And I and I think what I'm hearing you almost even more say is not so much don't partner.
It's just consider, have wisdom because it's not like you you're saying don't get married, right, because, potentially, you can get a divorce, or you gotta have, a wrong marriage or whatever. What you're saying is be purposeful. Yes. Whether it's partnership, whether it's the business type that you're in, I hear you say in the decisions that you're making, the ones that have come to you in a bad sense Chaz been the ones that maybe you weren't as purposeful with.
Yep. And sometimes, you know, as things you get excited about and you jump all in, but instead don't base on just emotional decisions. That's all I card. Yeah. Emotion is good because that that's what pushes us into risk, but to be calculated at the same time, I it's funny. I've used this kind of phraseology with some of my clients Chaz well as even just people that I know that I've known for a long time. We talk about business all the time, but it's I'm such a risk taker.
Like, to the nth degree, I'm willing to put it all on the line and repeatedly. Was just having this conversation with my mother-in-law the other day she was over, and we were talking about money something or rather with her situation. I was like, look, I'd throw it all on black. Basically, I didn't say that, but that's what we were talking about. And the reality of it is that I am 100% like that. However, I will do that when it's calculated. I'm not just looking to throw it anywhere.
I'm looking to calculate and then be super risky because I'm confident. I'm not a 100% sure, but I'm confident in the risks that I've taken. And then now I have a history Chaz I'm sure that you can Express as well. Once you have a history of these decisions that you've been making and they're good decisions, they produce good results and only little decisions here and there are the bad ones. Then you you can build this confidence about yourself in these decisions. Exactly. I like that.
Yep. Good. Okay. What about a good decision? Kevin give us the juicy one. The one that was just like the moneymaker. Good decision. Hey. If you have a solid spouse, Chaz soon as Mary, there's intuition from your other half that sometimes you don't know. You don't hear. My wife has helped me not get into things that I shouldn't. And at the same time, she was the reason I got into J29 Creative now because she incur me, she goes, hey. You get paid good.
You can go back to a corporate Wolfe, but by your instinct, you you love entrepreneurship. That's that issue, and that's who you are, and you're a serial entrepreneur. And that's what you were when you're interested in still confidence back in me too. Yeah. Hey. Let's get back into the market. Let's do it. Yeah. So I think, hey. If you're married and you have a good, solid marriage. Yeah. You you gotta listen to your spouse. You you know? That's right. That's right.
I the listeners, but I think I told this on one of the pod, but I I started a about a $400,000 business that I end up having to close. And my wife told me not to do it. And I didn't listen. So what you're saying is a 100% accurate And so good decisions are based out of purpose. I'm hearing you say. And listen to your spouse if you have one. Obviously, that listening of the spouse is based upon a good relationship, trust, confidence, which you have.
And so you were able to be vulnerable with her and then let her push into you, which is incredible. That's how Exactly. That's awesome, dude. Okay. Thank you for that. I wanna know I'm gonna transition just a little bit here when it comes to disciplines. You seem like a pretty you're an engineer. Like, you're a pretty regimented person, but as an entrepreneur, It's hard to be regimented. It's hard to stay on track. In fact, I heard the other day that nobody naturally stays on track.
It's the successful that choose to re re get back on every time. So talk to us about discipline. What do you do to stay disciplined in the different areas of life? It could be business, could be your family, spending time with your wife, your kids, just discipline in general. Yeah. So I think being Asian growing up, you're definitely with mom and dads that drill into you about discipline, but that's huge. So taking care of myself, I think your health is important.
So I was a big athlete back in high school. I'm into martial arts. And then I did my share of body building back in the nineties. It was popular, competed, Do these pictures exist somewhere online? Can we find these too? I love it. So so I did the body building thing, and so it definitely requires discipline. And I try now. It's a lot harder when you hit your forties and you have kids. Yeah. Just to eat in but it does affect me.
So it plays such an impact exercising and having some kind of routine outside of work. Yeah. Yep. I love that. If I don't start my day eating healthy, juicing, or hopping on my exercise bike, it changes everything. It makes you feel better. And I think that's has helped a lot. And then software being engineer, I ran my company, people asked me when I first started. Man, why you invest so much in software solutions? And I go, it saves me time. Time's everything. In business.
So for me, I am a firm believer. If there's a tool out there that can help me or my team become more efficient, I can manage more accounts, sign me up. Yeah. Now that's that that right there. I hope that you caught that as the listener because you've been taking notes in this story of Kevin's but what he just told you is how you run a successful business in 2022 because it's not just put your head down and work hard.
That does get you places, but probably not to the 7 figure mark because in the 7 figure mark, which we've already talked about, you have to have a team, But then in order to really build a team in today's world, like you just said, you need tools to help you and your team, which are often software tools for efficiencies for different angles of the business, marketing, prospecting, sales, client fulfillment, tracking. You name it.
Like, you could probably go down a much longer list than I could, but could you imagine operating the business without those tools? No. There's no way. No way. And to be honest, especially with Mark thing, I don't know why people wanna do it. You can do it yourself. But there is a learning curve to it, and there's guys like my me and my team that looked at this stuff every day. And There is a learning curve. So can you make more money doing what you're good at, what your your expertise is, Yep.
Or does it make sense to hire it out? So for my own business, I always look at that. Why would I wanna do bookkeeping if I'm not a bookkeeper? That's right. That's right. That's right. You have a tool do it. Yep. Exactly. I love you're you're just dropping nuggets on us, and you're doing it so casually that I have to be able to point it out for the listener here because what you just said, you're not the CPA, so you give that away. But what you are is a marketing firm.
And so you actually gave your value prop there. You said, look, if the listener right now is not a marketing person, they should have a marketing person. They shouldn't be the marketing person. Not how do I market. Who should do my marketing? I see that so much as especially, like, you see these honors, and they're, like, trying to, you know, do Instagram or do all this stuff. And I'm like, are you trying to be an Instagram influencer? Or does it make more money selling homes? Thousand homes.
Yeah. Exactly. When I and I think if you can dial in to your purpose and you even said that earlier, you said if I got back to my Like, I got back to what it is that I wanted, what Kevin wanted. And so I think that's even yet another nugget here that the re or the letter the listener should be writing down is that if I understand what it is I'm wanting, do I wanna be an Instagram influencer? Okay. So then fine. But you probably still need some help to figure that out, but most likely you don't.
And you need someone to do your Instagram marketing for you. So you should call Kevin. Yep. Exactly. Okay. So let's go through a speed round here, Alright. Okay. I I love this part of the show because we're gonna go quick answers and and and hopefully it catches you with real truthful answers for the for the listener. So first one's kind of a hard one. Maybe we'll see. If you could only track one metric, forever and ever and ever. And I know in marketing, you guys track everything.
So delineate it down for us. If you could only pick 1, what would it be? Opportunities. Okay. Explain. I know what that means. Tell me what that means. Yep. So I am not a big vanity metrics or anything like that. For me is what is an opportunity that I can track and see that becomes something more? Yep. A name, a lead, a prospect turns into, then an opportunity, a conversation, a meeting. Right? Yep. So for me, meetings like this is super valuable. Yeah. Because, hey.
I might not do anything with Chaz, but he might know someone that needs my Yeah. 100%. Maybe a new business opportunity. Who knows? And I always tell people it only takes 1. That's right. That's right. Yeah. I love that. Actually, for most of the listeners who have been following along here, they know that gathering the Kings actually stemmed from my mastermind groups, which we have for 6 and 7 figures.
And so this exact thing happened just last week in one of my groups where someone met someone in a group and what they needed, they would not have been able to cross across the table or pass across the table, if they hadn't been in the group. So the one decision to meet me and to be part of a a mastermind group, to meet this one person across the table, which then like, literally changed. I don't know.
This dude's probably gonna save $200 in 1 year off of one little thing that he shared the other guy was like, oh, I have a solution for that. I've done it for 3 years. I'll give you my contact. It was incredible. So what you're saying is a 100% true. It takes one person. I love it. Okay. So that leads me into my next question, and we'll just go right into this one. Do you intentionally mastermind or network with other business owners? It sounds like you do. I do.
I do not work with other business owners. Yep. That's awesome. And from a 6 figure perspective, next question is what book would you recommend if I'm a six figure owner right now that I read to be able to get to where you are? I love the R04. Art of War. That's actually a great book, and I haven't read that in a long time. What do you like about it? So I I love the history behind the book.
And then, it does teach you a little a lot about business and how things work, how you keep your enemies closed. Got a lot of these war tech exactly goes into strategizing for. Yeah. Yeah. The strategy piece there is obviously super in-depth Hopefully, you're not keeping me close here today because we're I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding. Kevin and I have have hit it off really Wolfe. Hopefully, he's not keeping me close to to slay the dragon later. Next question.
If you lost it all, Kevin, All of it's gone. The the internet doesn't exist anymore. You can't do any more digital marketing. What would you do? Yep. I always tell this people does. It doesn't if you've done it once, you can always do it again. I'm a firm believer, and it really doesn't matter what you jump into. I think it's our pride that keep us from growing. And just like in 2008, I lost everything. I had a $1000 in the bank. And I started over. And I have a huge story.
I made a video about it. I fried chicken for my uncle who owns Chinese restaurants, and the campus I graduated in. And so, be willing to get your hands dirty. And for me, I'm not ashamed because at the end of the day, no one else will pay your bill for you. That's right. So you gotta start somewhere and if you lose it all, I'm okay to go work for someone and get my hands dirty.
Yep. And it sounds like more than anything, you would probably end up back where you are or at least attempting to because You've done it once before to your point. You're willing to take the risk. You've already determined that. You know what to do, and so it'd just be a matter of time and money probably. Exactly. Love it. It's a it becomes a repeatable process, and I think that that just extends into how a six figure person gets to 7.
So to recap this whole thing, is you're saying that they need a team, that they need to get out of their own way, their ego, that they need to be disciplined, that they need to be purposeful in their decisions, that they need to basically be willing to do the things that maybe other people aren't, and maybe that's why not very many people get to the 7 figure But for the listener, they can do exactly what you've done. You believe Chaz. Yep. I believe that. Yep. I love it.
Okay. Kevin, how Chaz someone connect with you? Whether they've just resonated with you or they're listening right now and they're like, dude, I need this guy to do my marketing because they need leads or they need some exposure. They need you to help them become an Instagram star. Well, how do they contact you? Yeah. I'm super active on LinkedIn. So you can find me, Kevin F Kwok, the digital marketing. You can find me. At j29 Creative for everything else, my business is j29creative.com.
So if you type in j29 creative. We're on almost every social media platform and just started our TikTok too. So, I mean, we're on there. Nice. And that that's part of it. You gotta be there. Kevin, thank you so much for being here. The value that you brought here today is is invaluable, really. You've dropped so much on us, and I hope that the listener was paying attention. I know from listening.
And and I'm sitting at the same table you are, and I'm better because of what you've given here today. So thank you very much. We appreciate it. Thank you for having me on the show. Absolutely. Thanks for listening to Gathering the Kings. We hope you got a ton of value today and learned a thing or 2 about taking your business to 7 figures and beyond. If you desire more and want a community around you to help you get there. I want you to go to gathering the king's dot com.
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