Let's stay with this broad story but turned specifically to the Minister of Higher Education, BULA and Cabinet. There seems to be strong evidence that she misled parliament. Some of it was generated in Sidi Madeir's interview with the Advocate Terry Mutau, who was described by the High Education Minister as the head of this panel that made controversial selections
for various SEATA boards. Advocate Mourtau and I'm pretty certain that I heard the interview correctly, made it very clear that he made it very clear to the Minister before she went to Parliament that he was not serving on this panel. And yet despite that absolute clarity, according again to Advocate Terry Motan, I would assume he knows what he said. She went ahead and said he was on that panel. So the case for lying to parliament would seem certainly has sufficient merit for it to be a case.
Whether it gets proved in the court, if it ever gets to courses another matter. But he has the question that I want to put to my next guest. He is Professor Derk Kotza, who's professor of political science at UNISA. Very good often into you why has President rama Posa not acted against the Minister of Higher Education. I mean it seems to me fairly clear cut, not a complicated matter.
It also seems to me that now that the DA has made her a cause celebre in the way that they have, he almost can't fire her at all.
A good afternoon, now. I think you are partly correct with this in that is that President Ramaposa looks in the public to mind as as someone who doesn't want to act against her, as well as I understand from reports that he called her in and we instructed her to go back to Parliament and to apologize and to see the Portfolio Committee about what she did and that she had to correct responses. So I think from President from a positive side, we know he's not someone who
wants to be seen to respond to pleasure. He wants to take his own decisions, especially when it comes from the DA or the FF or MK of some of the other oppositions. So that you know, I think, is the first sort of response is that he did. He will argue most possibly that he did respond and that what is being asked now is not necessarily necessary because you try to correct the situation. I think when it comes to in general, the throw of ministers in relation
to Parliament. We've seen it very often where they've either it not portfolio committees, or they haven't provided sufficient information or they have not provided correct information. So unfortunately, this is not a new thing. This is something which we've become to some extent used to almost but this is again something which I don't think the ANC can can afford.
Now you know, there's even from within if I can, in the broader context, source schools or the African Congress of Students are are very critical of this and they are calling for resig notion. So not only really the DA that's doing that, and I think the pleasure is certainly building up in this matter.
So often when the President does or doesn't act on whatever the matter might be, there are questions asked us to whether an action or lack of would make it difficult.
For him.
Within the ranks of his own party. So with that as as as as a forward, I mean, does Minister or bushlet In Cabane hold substantial weight inside the ANC? I mean, is she a significant player with a constituency the president needs to tiptoe around.
Well, she comes from Quasulnatal, she's relatively young, forty five years old. So I think it's a constituency that he really wants to be seen to incorporate and to embrace in the ANC cause it in is obviously for the ANC very important given Glassio's election results, I don't think he wants to be seen to act really against relatively prominent persons coming from that province. So my guess is, and it's purely a guess that that might have played to throw in the the WAYE which is handling this.
So I think in that sense she is for a type of a control model within the AC. The fact that she's very well qualified she even was a tutorier at UNISA but rebert doctoral degrees in sons. I think that makes her an important person together with someone like the Minister of Derko or not Lamola and others. And I don't think he wants really and especially because she's a woman. Yes, these all counts, as are matters that I think count in her favor.
Professor Derkosa, thank you, Professor of Political Science at UNISA, twenty eight minutes past five