Zach Thomas' Case for Canton with OJ McDuffie and Seth Levit

From the Fish Tank are going to join me. We're gonna talk all things Zach Thomas and his Hall of Fame candidacy. We're gonna go over his resume, how he stacks up against his peers, and get you some great stories about Zach both on and off the field, like only the guys from the Fish Tank can do. All of that and more on this Tuesday, February the second edition of the Drive Time Podcast. Let's go ahead and just jump right in now to my two guests from

the Fish Tank Podcast. You can find them here on the Miami Dolphins podcast Network. Seth Levitt and o J McDuffie. It is that time once again, an off season crossover edition here with Drive Time and the Fish Tank Podcast. I've got Seth Levitt. I've got O. J McDuffie juice in the house. What's up boys, Good to be here, man, excited to talk about one of my favorite topics, no doubt about it. Man. We miss you, chat with you, ben Bro. I've been good. I'm it's it's snowing out here,

so I don't love that. But you know, you know, we're back home. I do get to be around the family right now, which is great, but we do not miss the snow at all. Man. Like I had to go out and use the ice craper on the windshild other day, and I was just saying, this is bullshit the entire time, like under my breath, this is bullshit. I hate this. I'm not doing work. I learned that just when I worked for the Calves and in your hometown.

And I got there and my uncle handed me a defroster, this little like it looked like a can oft w D forty but it's not, you know, and and and an ice craper. I said, what do I need this for? You said, you'll learn, right, you'll learn. I had to go start the car for my mom every morning, you

know what I mean. And we have the card run for like the first half hour, so you know, before we got in half hour, so at least at least and we didn't have you know, we had an old clunker too, so it ran a lot of gas in the direct game the driveway, you know, oil spots and

stuff and snow. It was great. And now when it drops below sixty here, I'm warming the car up from well, every time every time we do a podcast here with an alumni, they always tell us why I stayed in South Florida because of the weather, and so, I mean, it definitely keeps you there a little bitter. At least, it's one of the reasons why they stayed down there. And uh, we are talking about an alumni on this podcast.

The reason we have you guys on is because for the second straight years, Zach Thomas is a final for the Hall of Fame, when a fifteen finalists will find out on Saturday whether or not he does get in. And I guess I wanted to start off by asking this question because O J, you've probably obviously played with you know, a few of them, and Seth you've been around a few of them as well. We'll start with you, o J. What is a Hall of Famer to you,

And how does Zach Thomas fit that criteria Hall of Famers? Um, you know, we'll start off with the first thing about Zach. Zack's a great teammate. And there's nothing like the guy that leads your team on you know, both sides of the ball in that locker room, that people fall in line with and on pent behind them. Another thing that you've got to think about a Hall of famer's longevity. Jack Zach played in the league over ten years, Um, not a long with longevity productivity, you know what I mean.

How how much did he produced? I mean it's NonStop. I mean I think he averaged over a hundred fifty tackles a year, um, you know with the Miami Dolphins. And you know, and that's that's that's huge. I mean, and and Zach was that guy that did it consistently. Another criteria you want to have as a Hall of Famer. And then I mean you look at Zac also look at his numbers. I mean, bottom line, with the Hall of Fames, a lot of time that comes down to numbers.

And you compare his numbers and all the other guys that are in already that he played in the same time with I mean, it makes I mean, it makes plenty of sense to his actually should be in the Hall of Fame, Pro Bowls, All Pro, you know, being the best of the best. I mean, I think he was All Pro seven times five as the first team All from mean, there's a lot of different numbers that

you can throw out there, but productivity, consistent, longevity. That's the reason Zach Thomas is that guy that should be in the Hall of Fame. It's long overdue. And soe I know, Seth, you did a lot of the you know, stack keeping and stuff with tracking stuff on the flights back from road games and just basically we we called you pro Football reference from the nineties, right, you were the one keeping track of all those status and racking up all those tackles. I'm sure Zach was prominent on

your list. I'd love to hear about how that went, Like, did did he ever? Did players ever come and check on you and say, hey, how many tackles did I get? Or how many sacks did I get? But I'm also wondering kind of you know, we talked about the Hall of Fame. It's a it's a you know, a very unique brotherhood a very unique, you know, fraternity of of

football players. There's something about the character by which a player or the character of a player and the way he conducts himself off the field that goes into that Hall of Fame. Candasy right, Well, you'd like to think that it should. I think there's some unique examples where some guys were just so darned dominant that, um, even though they may have had some off the field issues,

it just can't keep them out of the hall. Uh. The Hall does have some standards that they define a Hall of Famer by and and and character is a part of that. And if character is on the list, you know, Zack certainly is is a first ballot quality guy as far as character is concerned. And I think Juice nailed it. I mean, when you look at at all of the different categories, UM, I do believe that his uh, you know, performance first and were most performance

is critical? Um. I think that you know, they look at at the the era that you played in and did you dominate your era? You know, were you just a guy you can't do regardless of your numbers, if you did not stick out in the era that you played in, then then how could you be considered one of the all time greats? And Zack certainly did um and did do that? Uh, they they look at did you change individual games? Did you make plays that change individual games, that have an impact on individual games in

the greatest team sport alive? Um? And at the same time, did you change the game? Did you change the sport in any way? And so you know, there's a lot of different factors. It's not an exact science. Uh, it's an incredible voting process. Um. And I think it's something that, uh, everybody's got a little different different definition as to what a Hall of Famer should look like, should smell like,

and and and what his stats should read. But I think O J is right and I think you know, Dolphin Nation is right that the Zach Thomas checks the boxes. I mean, he's a guy that should be in his contemporaries that went in and the first ballot were guys

that he was measured against. You know, when you look at Ray Lewis, who is arguably one of the greatest middle linebackers of all time, you look at Brian Urlacker who went into the first ballot, those are the guys that Zach was measured against, and Zach had all of the All pros just as many, if not more than. You know, I think he had more than Brian and and and measured up there with ray Um. And that's

not a Pro Bowl list. That's not just what's going on in the end of the East or your conference. That's what's going on with the league. And so if he was, if he was considered one of the pre eminent guys of that generation, and those two guys are

first ballot guys, I think Zach is do. Yeah, I'm glad you mentioned the Peers because I've seen that graphic I don't know how many times now hundreds with his stats right next to Brian Urlacker stats, and they're comparable across the board and really in the same vein of ray Lewis too, like you mentioned there, And I think

that's something that maybe people get bogged down. And when it comes to Hall of Fame voting, how did he measure up against the people that he played against in that decade long period or whatever it might have been, Like, was he a top five player in his position every single year? Than? If so, Yeah, he probably deserves some recognition for knon now We've heard so many stories from the fish tank from you know, whatever it might be

with Zach. And one of my favorite things is talking to Channing Crowder, who played you know, with Zach for a couple of years there in his rookie portion of his career and Zach was in the back end of his Dolphins career, and he always just raved about Zack's preparation, telling him where to go, when to shoot a gap O J. When you were playing against him in practice when it was one on ones. How often was he

doing that stuff in practice? Zach was the best man because you like Channing talked about, nobody prepared more, you know. But see, I had to give Zack the business as a as a as a as a rook at times, you know, you know, I had to teach him a couple of lessons out there and some of those one on ones when he you know, linebackers trying to get me on those crossing routes, so sometimes you gotta fake

that crosser and go back out, you know. I try to get Zach to to know that, you know, at this level, Zack, you're not gonna you're not gonna tee off for one to star players on your own team for one, and for two, you know they're gonna give you some different It looks like that. But he was always prepared. I mean I remember, you know, Jack ordered breakfast, lunch, and dinner into the facility before they provided for us. Now I think the guys get it. Think it a

cater Now there was. Zach was always in there watching film and you couldn't really take film home back then, so he was always in the building. So there's nobody. There's nobody that knew more about the opposing team than Zach Thomas did. And you know, you you see it in film. I watched some games even as a fan afterwards it seems like a whole defense is going one way, but Zack is going the other way. And sure enough, Zach read to play correctly. And he's the only guy

that could have made a play. In nine out of ten times he made the play. So talk about preparation, Uh, there's nobody bigger. Nobody watched more film, nobody took more notes and Zach Thomas and that's what made him. That made him great as well, not only his ability to go out and make plays, but his preparation was the

best of anybody. How much that do you think comes from the fact that he was a fifth round draft pick and undersized guy that you know wasn't supposed to make it, because here's this you know, and I'm paraphrasing, slow, late round draft pick that just does not big enough to play in the league. Do you think that he always had that inherently because of his let's call him shortcomings physically, or do you think that was something that he developed as he became in the National Football League.

Let me tell you, man, I knew Zach. I met Zack when he played against Penn State when he was at Texas Tech, and the dude had about twenty some tackles against us. So at that point I knew he was one hell of a player. I knew his working ethic was unbelievable. I knew that this this preparation was unbelievable. And then so I saw him play against Penn State. But then I met him at Walter Camp All American

banquet where he became. You know, it's one of the oldest and greatest college All American teams ever, and Zach was one of those guys. And the humility, how humble he was, Uh, you know, and he came up and introduced himself to me Aca johna card and he's like, hey, I'm Zack Thomas, me and c that we know who you are. You had like twenty some tackles against my team. Man,

you don't need to introduce yourself to us. Man. But he's always carried himself the exact same way, humble, hard working, and I think that preparation started in high school planning Texas you know, obviously College of Texas Tech, and then in the pros. He just never took anything for granted and never took any shortcuts and always always prepared and

worked his butt off. Man and o J. You mentioned that he would have food brought into the facility every single day so we could watch film there, and that reminds me of a story seth that you guys, I think it was Jason Cole might have been on the floor stink where he talked about the you know, the Cheetos and the light switches and that all the all the light outlets in his house had cheeto dust all over because he was so ingrained and just watching the

tape and nothing else that he wouldn't even think to like wipe his hands off in between going to the bathroom or going back to the kitchen. Like, that's just like that's crazy to me, man, Like, what can you tell us about that story? Yeah? I mean, well it was a great story. I hadn't heard that one, um. And you know, my first year working for the team was Zack's rookie years, so it was definitely a part of his entire journey here in Miami in in some way,

shape or form. Had not heard that story. Wasn't surprised for two reasons. One, if you had ever been to Zach and Io's rookie year upon ment over there at Saint JOPEI Implantation Juice, that place was filthy. It was a pigstye, So you know, cheeto dust on the walls didn't surprise me. But no, he's he's the ultimate grinder, man. I mean he put as much, if not more time in than some of the coaches. And that's not hyperbole.

I mean he Zach was that kind of a guy. Um, and it was it was maniacal in terms of his dedication to film. And it didn't matter if it was a preseason game where he he one time we found

a he kept these notebooks. And we found a notebook for Detroit in a preseason game that he was maybe gonna play one series in and he had done, you know, had filled up half of this notebook and studied his preseason How much tape can you pull, Juice on on a tape, you know, so he had, but he had pulled wherever this coach had been and what Detroit had done in these tendencies. And he never wanted to put

bad uh plays out on on film in practice in games. Uh. He always wanted to be prepared and then let the performance, uh you know show for itself there And so you know, to hear that story, you just have to laugh. Knowing Zacht, but he was. It was unbelievable the amount of time that he spent. You've heard so many of his contemporaries talk about how he was constantly in their playbook. Peyton Manning, you know, of all people would be frustrated that Zack was was in his head and in his playbook and

knew what they were gonna run. And Zach always talked about you know, pre snap. Juice said that that he would look at alignment and that he would make his read pre snap before that first step was taken and that was really what he thought was his advantage. And all that came from film study. It all came from film study. Um and and he did have food brought in. Thursday nights was long or night there for the coaches, and I'd have to go in and sneak some food

down to him. You know, the coaches didn't want to share that food, and I'd make him play and sneak it down for him. But he just lived at the facility and it was it was pretty special. Now, obviously,

receiver and linebacker are different positions with different responsibilities. But maybe O J. You can help the fans understand what exactly goes into that notebook, because you know, we we hear about film study as fans, and we just think a guy maybe goes in and watches his opponent who he can go up one on one against, maybe some offensive tendencies, Like what all goes into that notebook? Is

it like splits of the offensive line receiver alignment? The way they stack things like what goes into that study that makes him so good and just really makes the fans appreciate even more how much he put into it to get that production that he ultimately had. Yeah, Actually, all that goes into it. A linebacker is probably the the toughest position on defense in terms of alignment, especially when you're the captain on that defense. A lot of times,

Zach's gotta make the calls. Zack's gotta make the checks, you know, And when you look at different alignments and seeing you know, offensive linement sitting heavy or sitting light, sitting heavy usually or run situations sitting light using a past situation alignement itself that he's seen. One little thing that he might pick up on film is in that notebook saying all right, you know, if Kevin Mawire is doing this, this is what they're going to be doing a time. And I mean, if you get a chance,

I'm being right about something. I mean that's obvious in the advantage. He's that quarterback literally on the other side where you know, as a wide receiver, I worried about coverage. You know, we've got a couple of guys like Blitz, I got may break it hot. Who I'm blocking quarterbacks? Gotta see all that alignment for three you know four three or three four? Um, you know a bear defense. I don't. I don't even see any of that. So you know, Zack said, God has seen everything and put

her body in position, you know, be successful. Get the secondary set, get the line set. How many times you see a linebacker go up and tap a defensive line on the butt to move him over maybe six inches twelve inches, you know, And that was that job as well. So there was so much that goes into a line but a middle linebacker's book. And what I like most about Zach and and and Seal contested this tested this.

He shared his knowledge with people. You know what I mean, he wasn't He wasn't stands you with it if he knew that. You know, he talked about the Detroit preseason game. Whoever's gonna play the majority of that game. I guaranteed that shared that knowledge with him and share that book with him too. And that's the type of teammate he was as well. But it's preparational second and none no books. We talked about unbelievable in the time and the facility hours up going in, but it had him ready for

a Sunday or Monday all the time. Yeah, you know you mentioned the pre snap checklist he has to go through. I find myself watching games trying to do the same thing, and it overwhelms me. Man, Like you have thirty seconds to get the personnel grouping, who's moving with motion and all just all these things are going on in the football field. It's absolutely chaos in the thirty second period to get to that, you know, five or six seconds

snap between whistles and seth. You had mentioned Peyton Manning earlier, and that's that's kind of where I want to go next with the peers and the way they talked about him, the guys that played against him on the other side of the football, not you know, fellow linebackers like Burlocker and Ray Lewis, but you know, Peyton Manning said that Zack Thomas gave me more problems than any defensive defensive

player I ever played against. Kevin Mwai told a story about how Bill Parcel said, if you don't get Zach Thomas blocked, if you don't take care of hifty four, we're not gonna win this football game. So he was a very you know, well thought of peer across the way people attack him, in the way people planned for him in the NFL, like that was unanimous, right, because you mentioned Peyton Ma and Kevin Y to Hall of Famers,

but there was probably more guys that felt the same way. Yeah, I mean, he just had tremendous respect and and and look, especially in that era, when you're making all those Pro Bowls, that's that's players around the league. They're voting for you. I mean, that's especially it still is, but it was especially that way. You know, back in the times that Zach was playing UM and he was highly respected by coaches and by players, uh and by and certainly by

his teammates. You know, you mentioned Kevin Y, and I was was kind of blown away when why you only have so much time to get up there on that that podium, you know, you spend your whole life hoping to make it to that moment, and especially and Kevin Way, you know, he wasn't a first ballot guy, so he had to go through the process multiple times, be told no,

no multiple times. Finally gets there and he's writing that speech, and he takes the time to not mention he mentioned teammates and guys he played with, but he takes the time to mention that Zack m Is deserves to be in the Hall of Fame. And and that was I was really blown away by that. You know, again, you only get so many times, so much time the halls reviewing your speech before you even go up there. You

gotta keep TV in mind. You want to get to the party afterwards with your friends and family and and you know, let's face it, Kevin why played pretty well again, Zach. You know, he gave Zac fits, but he felt that this was a guy that he had to bring into his speech and to his moment to say, this guy deserves to be in this hall as well. I mean, I don't know if you can get any higher praise than that. And I think Kevin mcwi is a guy

too said that. You know, the Jets win and got a guy that could get up on Zack athletic enough of this center position because they knew that that was Zack was giving people fits. Having a big boys in front of him was one thing. But you know, you never saw a team scheme more about getting a center up on the middle linebacker and what the Jets did with Kevin Mway being as an athletic as he was. So you know, you've seen guys that go out and

get cover corners to cover a wide receiver. How about go and get a cover center that can and they have seen a team go draft to left tackle to get up on bro Smith wait for that guy to be recognized. That that goes right into your point, right Stethew made earlier about how how does the guy change the game? How does he change the way people play against you are prepared for you. But that's that's proof

from the pudding right there. Absolutely, So it's it's more than just Zach the production on Zack on the football field, because you know, you guys had him in the fish tank, you had Larry Izo in the fish tank, and you've heard so many good stories about this dude and just the fun that he had in South Florida during the

peak of his playing career. Is there a favorite story you've got, Seth Whether it's the Rolling Hills, you know, the great animation you guys did, or maybe it was the swimming out to the buoy and almost losing his his wits out there, or or trying to get on a fight on the side of the highway with Larry Iso, Like, was there a story that really defines Zach Thomas for you away from the football field. There there's so many.

There are so many of them, you know, and I could point to any one of those, um that that would the stuff is some of my favorite. That those two guys have so much fun, and they really were.

You know. We had the great animated piece for the that fish tank moment of them streaking across uh when when o J and some accomplices made them streak across rolling hills when o J allegedly UH did these things but uh, I mean no, those were just those two guys together was so much fun and um and I love those stories, but maybe one that I experienced personally, UM And I don't know that one ranks better than

the other. I really don't. But Zach was invited to do one of these moments at the heat game where you have the little contests and the guy shoots the layup and the free throw and or whatever. It was a three point shot and you know, and then the crowd can win or what have you. And so he got invited to do it. He said yes, and then just just like everything else we said, and him wanting to be prepared and not wanting to put bad tape out there, he said, Hey, where can I go shoot

free throws? You know, I'm not gonna go out there and embarrass myself. And he before he went down to what was then the Miami Arena juice, he went up. He we went up to the park, up to up to the park in sunrise and shot free throws for like an hour so that he could be warmed up and prepared. And I'm like, you're really doing this for this moment that half the people aren't even gonna watch and they just want to win a damn T shirt. He was not gonna embarrass himself, and I think that

just defines who we're dealing with here. Yeah, Yeah, no doubt about it, man. He I mean, Zach was so freaking humble man, you know what I mean. He really checked his ego at the door. I don't even know if he had before he got into the door, and I think he had a chip on his shoulder. But like you said, Seth Man, I mean the story you you mentioned Travis was so so funny, and we learned a lot of those by listening and talking to other people. To Jason Cole went on one story that Seth knew

about and talked about. You know what I mean, There's so many great things about Zach and and even that that game still pisses him off. And that's another thing about that. Zac is the ultimate competitor. He's been at our house, you know, my how playing basketball so many times. And dude, you don't want to play against it. You want him on your team, Chaps. I promise you that, because you know you don't want to put his hands on You don't want to put your hands on him

because if you know what I mean, big Staff Dixon said. Though, don't get him the bottle now, he said, but if team was going to win, that's right, man, You're not gonna get anybody out there more physical, he thought. He's playing middle linebacker on the five and five, you know, pickup game in the backyard, man, And that's why you always want of them. He's always competing. You know. They get a lot of pressure on me too. Juicy said,

I didn't moved my feet enough on defense. I gott movie your feet best against and Staff was out there preserving careers, So I get it. I understand I might press releases, I don't lock down people on the court. Man. You know, I wanted to finish with this because I think it's you know, Seth You had mentioned this earlier on the pod, that what what the criteria for a Hall of Famer is? And you know, I went over the checklist as you were going through that, and I thought,

Zach checks all those boxes. And one of the ones you mentioned was some defining games that he had, defining moments on the field, and I think there are so many to choose from. You know, the front flip into the end zone, I think is probably the one that people think of most. But do you guys have one that really sticks out in your mind? Like when you first thought, Hey, Travis wants to do a podcast talking about Zach Thomas, what's the first play that came to

your mind when you think about Zach Thomas? Will start with you, Seth. I was hoping you're gonna start with Jews. You know, it's so tough because there was so many of them. I mean, you know, look at all those tackles and and and the interceptions and everything that he did. Um, you know, there was a goal line stand against Atlanta that, uh, I think he had like a third and a fourth down play where I mean he just he's just there

before the running back. Is he hits the hole before the back does and there's always big collisions, and um, you know that one stands out to me. But really, the first play that anybody ever remembers Zach Thomas making is to play that in so many ways to find

his career, you know. And it was it was against New England and Seawan Jefferson, and um, you know, you don't like to see a guy getting knocked out on the old but it just it just told you that this guy had arrived in Miami and that he was going to be a force to reckon with throughout his entire career, which we were so fortunate was a very very long one and and quite a decorated one as well. Yeah, I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I'm gonna piggyback on that one.

And I think we talked about a little bit earlier, Travis about you know, it seemed like the whole team sometimes might be going the wrong way, but Zach's preparation always seemed to have him in the right place to make a play. And if Zack doesn't make that play, for one, you know, Sean Jefferson still running. You know, he had a convoy out in front of him. Uh, you know, our other team. You know, we got caught

up on that reverse situation. But Zach read it like we talked about before, but the later wood the way he did, and stef if I'm with you on that. You know you hate to see and I'm a good I'm good friends with Selen Jefferson. You know, to this day, you hate to see a player get hurt like that. But a set of tone and how many games have we seen Zack set a tone like that, like, oh damn, they're hitting out here today. I don't think that when you hit somebody like that, the whole team doesn't feel it,

you know what I mean. And so when you see your team, you may like that, you know, stretched out, Unfortunately the rest of the team feels it. So that's that's the thing that always Zack always brought. But that play right there with that tone cent and he did that a lot for the money. Dolph Seth mentioned that the Atlanta Falcons goal line standing, and we talked about, you know, if you're gonna if you're gonna get off the floor, off the court with a victory and the

O J backyard basketball games, you're gonna better. You're probably have to do with an and one call because Zack's not gonna let you leave there, you know, on on two legs without a dream or something. And uh, you know, that's what that reminded me of. In the two thousand and five opener against the Broncos, they had a first

and goal from the one. They even got an extra play because JT jumped into the neutral zone and got flagged for that, and so they had come a place to get in Hey, I'm calling it like it is. JT had had eighty eight yard fun boy turn touchdown in that game too, so hey a little bit. But Zach had three stops at the one yard line, two tackles for lost, one stuff for no gain, and at four to the Broncos away, and it kind of turned

the momentum of that game. And just man, he was not going to be scored on, and he he was going to use the notebooks to to get himself in right position with the preparation, and he was gonna use his skill set to get in there and make plays. And that was a great combination of both those two things. I thought, Hall of Famer all the way a gold jacket. I mean, what else can you say about the guy?

We're gonna find out this weekend. That's it, guys. I mean, that's all I got for you, unless there's anything last words you want to add here, Seth or o J. I mean I I that's that's my case for for him making the Hall of Fame. Like you guys wanted to be making your push here. Well, look, I think we've made a push the entire interview here, and I definitely think that Zach belongs there um and And I don't think it's a matter of if. I think it's a matter of when you hope it's this year. We

hoped it was last year. It's a it's a funny process, you know, and you start looking at who else is going in. I mean we talked about Peyton Manning earlier. He's taking up one of those spots. We know Peyton's going in, so you know, kind of like can pick up basketball since we're using basketball here. You know when when a team, when a team loses, there's only so many guys at the court choose, Hey, we got we need to fill two spots. We got five people shooting

to get on these two spots. You know, there's fifteen guys trying to get in for five spots, and Peyton just took one of them, and you got Charles Woodson there, and so it's gonna be really competitive. You don't make it to be a finalist. You don't make it to the fifteen and into that room unless you're one of the greatest two has ever played the game. And uh and Zach is one of those guys. And so I really really hope that this is the year. But if it's not, I just believe that it's not a matter

of if. It's a matter of what. And another thing about Zach too, is man he he'll never self promote, you know what I mean. He's gonna let it, let it ride out, and let it happen. If it happens, it happens, you know what I mean. It's not gonna it's not gonna define him. You know, obviously we all feel that he should be in there, and a million people obviously that feel like he should be in there

as well. But you know, Zack's not gonna be a guy there, you know, pounton or or upset about the fact that you know it didn't happen last year, you know, if it doesn't happen this year, But you know, obviously. You know, he's a guy that should be there. Some of the guys that are in there, they were, you know, pounding their own chest. They were doing different things to get in there, you know, being uh relevant, being on

t V, radio, whatever. And that's probably how they got in because you know, the rest of the world got a chance to notice him. You'll never see that from Zack's His humbleness and his humility is still there, and he'll let you know, let the voters do what they have to do and let his play and his films

speak for itself. And that's where we come in. We're gonna try to campaign for Zack as much as we can this week and hopefully, hopefully we see him get that nod on Saturday, that visit for the Hall of Fame. Always a fun weekend for Hall of Fame before the Super Bowl. O. J McDuffie, Seth Levitt of The Fish Tank podcast, what's coming up, guys, with anything coming up here on the fish Tank in the coming weeks or months. We've been enjoying the downtime. I can't lie. We've been

enjoying a little vacation time. Um, but we don't don't listen to him Champ. He called me o the day talking about how much he missed me. Man, you know what I mean, You know what I mean. I don't don't listen to him. I can miss you and still enjoy having my feet up on the couch a little bites. So now we've been enjoying that. But we have been scheming and plotting and getting some guys lined up, some

exciting guests that we're lining up now. And we all also have I'm very excited to say that there is another fish tank animated short on its way, So so that'll be the next thing anybody sees or hears from us. Uh, and then we'll have some more fun later. How did the fans find those seth? I think we're working through

that as well. Um. But uh, you know, the Dolphins do such a great job, as you know, Travis, you all do such a great job of promoting, whether it's through social media, through the YouTube channels, the Facebook, which the Facebook page is one of the largest in the entire NFL as far as a fan site. Juice knows because he's right in there with the fans, He's right in there in the mix. So um, I imagine it

will be on all channels. Yeah, very good, because I was I was thinking about the Zach Thomas and Larry is a one I think that was on YouTube, wasn't it. Yes, it can be found on YouTube. It's exactly right. So yeah, go to YouTube. Check out out check out all the fish Tank episodes. They have a phenomenal catalog. Guys, you won't want to miss it. Go check out Zach Thomas's episode here before the before we find out on Saturday

if he's going to Canton or not this year. And like Seth said, hopefully matter of if or a matter of when not if for Zach Thomas. Let's go. Let's go ahead and close up this podcast. Seth Levitt, o J. McDuffie from the fish Tank, thanks as always, fellas appreciate,

Thanks Travis, and away they go. Always a fun podcast when we have the crossovers here with the two guys from the fish Tank, Seth and o J. Again, they have such a great catalog of dolphins podcast with interviews with all the great alumni journalists from the area, national media folks. Plenty of good content there at the fish Tank. As for this Zach Thomas special edition here of the

Drivetime podcast that's gonna be my time. We'll find out on Saturday if Zak is going to Canton, and we'll get you guys all the content afterwards when we find out here on Miami Dolphins dot com on Drive Time, the Fish Tank, the whole lot, all a cart when it comes to Zach Thomas, You guys all, please be sure to subscribe to the podcast on Apple podcast Spotify, Leave us a rating, leave us a review, give me

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