Fins Flashback | Dolphins Jets Rivalry with Dick Anderson

daily dose of Miami Dolphins football. And on today's show, with a trip to the Metal Lands on the Horizon, We're gonna go way back and get to the origin of the Dolphins Jets rivalry with Dick Anderson. Plus, Dick will help us pay tribute to his longtime friend and safety running mate in the late great Super Bowl seven m v P in Jake Scott. All of that more on this Friday, November edition of the Drive Time Podcast.

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Dolphins and Jets one o'clock Eastern on Sunday afternoon. Two players are out in rookie Solomon Kinley and Savan Akhmed they will miss the games Sunday against the Jets. A pair of players are questionable and quarterback to a tongue Byloa and wide receiver Jachim Grant and Brian Flores also said the Dolphins might be able to get Miles gascon back off the injured reserve. They will find out, evaluate

and make a decision over the weekend. For the Jets, quarterback Sam Donald's going to start the game on Sunday. He missed the previous three with an injury. And before we get to Dick Anderson, here real quick a reminder to let you know to check out the preview content up on Miami Dolphins dot com as well as Wednesday's Drive Time podcast redove deep into the numbers, the scheme, everything you want to know about the New York Jets before this game on Sunday with them and you're Miami Dolphins.

Don't forget to check out John Conjemmi's Three Keys to the Game up on Miami Dolphins dot com, as well as the Written Element, our weekly feature. Plenty of content for you guys on Miami Dolphins dot com and joining me now on the Drive Time Podcast is a Dolphins legend, three time Pro bowler, two time All Pro, two time World Champion, member of the nineteen seventies All Decade Team

in the nineteen seventy three Rookie of the Year, Dick Anderson. Dick, welcome in, sir, Thank you very much, very happy to have you today. We we always love to start these podcasts off with the alumni by asking, and you had told me earlier you were going back to your office. What are you up to these days? Well, I've had a insurances my first year of playing for the Dolphins, and so the players used to give me a hard

time because I'd be going to my office. And about at the end of my career, they didn't give me a hard time anymore. They wished they had done the same. So they actually told that same story on the NFL Network America's Game series the NFL Film series about you going out to the trunk of your car during practice or during meetings or in between breaks, I should say where you would go out there and take phone calls. That that's an accurate depiction. Uh, yeah, that is accurate.

I actually had a car phone in those days. It had a cord on it and in a box in the back of the of the the trunk that was about three ft long and a foot high. And and uh so I could sit there and dial numbers. Yeah. One of the one of the players was walking across the parking lot when he was a rookie and I'm in my pads, sitting in the front seat of my car and with talking on a telephone. He took that. He still reminds me of that. I have so many

questions here, Dick, because first I'm curious. Uh you had to have used like, hey, this is Dick answer for the dolphin, like I'm sure you use that in your sales pitch, right, you had to live well, you know, from my standpoint, if they knew who I was, you know, I could get to the decision maker quicker. And that

really and I was in those days. I was selling um credit insurance to banks and and automobile dealers throughout the state of Florida, And so you know, by the second or third year, I was making a whole lot more money doing that. I was playing football, But the football got me in the door. You can't have one without the other, right, It's kind of the the the unit yang right there. Did did Sula ever get on your case for for doing that? Or was he supportive? Like?

How did that relationship work? As far as having that second job? Um, I tried not to publicize it at all. Um. You know, we had Monday's off, and I'd always work on Mondays, and you know, when practice got over, I'd go back to my office usually just you know, clean up things and um. But you know, it was seemingly able to to do that, you know, and not to make a big deal of it. What was the car phone a rarity? Like? Did your teammates have the same

set up with they bothered you to come use your phone? Like? How did that work? No, they really didn't bother me to come use the phone. There was one in the Actually the reason I was in my car was I used to be on the pay phone in the locker room and Sheila kicked me off of that. There you go, Sheila, she was not gonna have any of that for sure.

That's a that's a great story, right there, A good reason we love to have these flashback or the alumni here on the Flashback Friday edition of the Draft Time podcast. Let's go ahead and get to the reason we have Yawn here for a couple of reasons. Actually, One, it's Jets week. We always loved talking about possibly beating the New York Jets. But also we lost another legend here

last week. Dick and Jake Scott, the m v P of Super Bowl seven, your teammate safety running mate, you know as it were, from nineteen seventy to nineteen seventy five. I'll just kind of give you the floor here first, Dick and just let you tell us who Jake Scott was as a foot ballplayer, but also as a man. Well, Jake Scott was an absolutely great safety. I think he was All Pro five times and in the big games

he had big plays. Um and so um. You know, part of our success was really the fact that Bill Arnsberger was our defensive coach and we never questioned a defense that he had. UM. And I tell the story that Joe Namath every time I see him cusses at me. He says, you blankly blank, guys, were never where you're supposed to be, and bake and I would take a false step and then twirl and go back to a different place on the field. And you know he had the register that in the game that he never left

me to forget it. But uh, I don't let him forget it either. So you guys would kind of like bait the quarterback. Then, right, how did that work? As far as the way you communicate. You have to have a great relationship together to be able to pull that off,

wouldn't you. Well, we were very fortunate to have a lot of bright players, and Nick Monacani said, well, we made eight mental airs the whole season, And so the whole key to a defense is that we had we lined up the same no matter whether it was a blitz or his own or a man coverage, and so the quarterback had to read us on the snap. Um, and if every player was going where they needed to be, Um, you know, it's a lot easier to cover people. And so um, you know, we we played as a team

that way. Jake and I played that way, UM, And that's one of the main reasons for the success we had. I mean, in seventy two we had a hundred and sixty five point scored against us. In seventy three we had a hundred and fifty points scored against it. So the other team doesn't score, you can't lose. That's how it goes, a fun recipe for success and obviously back

to back world championships there. But I do want to get back into the rivalry here between the Dolphins and the Jets, because on Sunday, Miami travels to New York looking to get to seven and four for the current team, and during your time with you and Jake's got back there, the Dolphins were ten and two against those Jets in those seasons, and we continue that run of dominance in the seventies over the Jets after you guys had left

as well. Can you help educate fans here? What was it about that matchup with the Dolphins and Jets in the seventies that made Miami so dominant? Well, I think number one, it was the coaches, uh COACHLA and what he demanded of you um and then on defense, Bill Arnsberger was brilliant and so you know from our standpoint,

and then we had a lot of bright players. So when you don't make mistakes and and you can all and you don't have injuries, and we had we lost very very few players to injuries in those in those five years. And so you know, part of it was the fact that we played as a team. We um didn't have injuries. Everybody did the job that they needed to do. And you know, the coaching was was superb and so you know, it sounds kind of simple, but it it is. Was how we reacted and how we played.

And then Jake Scott was a brilliant player and and Jake would make great plays on in the big games. I mean, um, remember remember we're playing the championship game against John Unitus and I had intercepted a past and Jake made the first block, knocked the guy sideways and and then I had six perfect blocks during during that run and scored. But those are the kind of games that you know, Jake and I would would play well.

And and I mean with his two interceptions in one Super Bowl and you know two and you know long runs and another one. Um, you know, we were we were prepared and we had a great team to play with us. You know, I find it really commendable how how willing you are to pass the buck for credit there, because you know, in modern football, that's that's kind of the coaches speaking, the players speak, right, they're going to

give cred their teammates and say the right things. But here we are, you know, some forty fifty years later, and you're still giving those guys all the credit. Dick. Well, you know, it's a team, and you know, when you don't make mistakes, you're gonna play better. And so the other the other thing that's interests me in the game, we'd make a tackle, you know, and we'd make tackle

by ourselves. And today, you know, when a guys getting tackled, he's got six people banging on him, and that's you know, there's a couple of differences in the game today. One is, you know, when they have five and stix receivers going out, you know, it's it's tougher, much tougher playing his own defense. And we had basically three receivers going out. So you know the game has changed from that standpoint. Um, you know, the players have certainly gotten bigger. I think our biggest

player would wage to seventy today. You know, yesterday watching TV guys with three forty five and know it's it's a little bit different game today. Yeah, I think that's certainly every And by the fact that you were going to the office after practice, I think that would be maybe a little bit frowned upon these days. But like you said, different eras and it it creates for a fun conversation, especially for you know, a younger fan like

myself who doesn't have that, you know, intimate connection. It's always fun to hear your stories about the way the game was different. So throughout the other the other side it was different. I asked this question to a lot of people. I said, I was the third round raft choice in nineteen sixty eight. What was my first salary? What was it? I want to I want you to guess, but I'm definitely about to reverse age myself here. I'm gonna guess, uh, eight thousand. Well, you're about six times

more than the fifteen that I made. Really rookie of the Rookie of the Year, and the next year I made seventeen five, So defensive rookie the year making seventeen five, So you had you had to have a second job. Then that was really why we were working. You know, everybody had a summer job, and we didn't have any summer practices, so you know, we we'd come when the training camp started and we played the season, and we

a lot of players didn't stay in Miami. They go back to home, and so it was a different world back then. So you obviously play for the love of the game. But was there at least tell me there was some added perks, Like did you guys get free comps at restaurants? Are Like? Did you get that fan fare?

Were rock stars in South Florida? At least tell me there was something else there was help Once we started winning then certainly, you know, there were there were things that people if the people knew you, they'd treat you better than if they didn't know yet. So yeah, there were there were a lot of advantages, um, not only in business, but um, you know, just in living in a community when we were when we were particularly winning games and winning Super Bowls. I can't believe how far

off I was, Dick. I'm a little bit embarrassed to be honest with you at this moment. But yeah, that's why we've got exactly that's why I've got you on the podcast here, and I've been asking you throughout the course of the interview to help us younger fans kind of educate us. And I'm curious because you know, I'll

tell you about the way the rivalry is today. I mean, for me, when it was Rex Ryan for the Jets going up against the Dolphins, those games were always so contested and contentious and and so physical and fun to watch because we did not like those guys. I'm curious from your end back in the seventies and you can maybe help us younger fans understand where it all started. What was it about the Jets and Dolphins rivalry that made it so so contentious and maybe maybe what it

is today. Well, I don't think it was so contentious back then, but um, you know we played him in those games. You know years you had fewer games in our conference. Um, you know, we had two conferences rather than three, you know, on both sides, and so we played the Jets twice a year every year, and we played New England Buffalo um and the Jets um two times. So um, you know, you get in front of him more more than normal. And with the all the notoriety that Joe Namath you know got and he was a

heck of a player. We ratcheted up as much as we could when we when we played the Jets, and you know, there were no big fights and there was no you know other than we we would win the game. Yeah, it's just you know, it's it's a different time frame right now there there's certainly a lot more um, you know, fights and shoving and that sort of thing going on when I'm watching games today. Um. Then, you know then when we played you mentioned Joe dan with a couple

of times there. How many times did you play against him in your career? Do you like a ballpark estimate, I want to say, fifteen or sixteen times. So do you feel like you kind of had a good beat on what he was and what his game was and that Jets offense then because you saw him so much well and it it actually changed, Um, you know when when Jake went on and went to Washington and um, you know we had players leave when Zaki kick and

Warfield left. You know, the glory years were you know, seventy one to seventy five and after that with you know, new players coming in and a new coach coming in. Um, you know, things changed and we're not the same as as those years that we were so successful. Do you although we didn't keep it beating the Jets. Yeah, that never changed. That never changed. We'll take that every year. That's like I said, I love I love winning. Beating the Jets is the favorite, my favorite day of the year,

whenever it happened. So all for that, do you have a favorite Jets game memory? You know, I can't say, um that I do. Um, you know, when you play fifteen or sixteen games against the same team, Um, you know, it's it's forty forty fifty years later. You know, they're not things that I vividly remember. You know, I remember playing against Joe, which was was fun. But um, you know, other than that, you know, it's just getting your job done and and um, you know, doing what we're supposed

to do. And I'm sure you have plenty of these, but I also have to ask you, do you have a favorite Jake Scott memory something that comes to mind immediately as something that really stands out, or maybe just something that describes who he was, Like, do you have a memory about Jake Scott that really helps helps the fans understand who he was or maybe you guys relationship, well, I mean our relationship was very very close in those

days because of what our job was. I mean, um, we would kind of we could call he could call a defense, and I could move the cornerback and the strong linebacker in two different places, UM, and still have the same defense. And Jake did that on the week side. But we made sure that neither one of us made a mistake in work where we were supposed to be. To start with um, and then on the punt returns is an ex ample. UM, Jake was a deep We we didn't go to across. We did one one short

one back. I was a short guy and he was the one that was supposed to catch the ball. And my my goal was, no one is ever going to touch him. The first guy down is not going to touch Jake, so he can catch the ball and and and return it. And you know, that's kind of relationship we had of get help, get help and give help. UM. So, but Jake was very very bright. I mean he was

tougher than anybody that you can imagine. Um. You know, after we finished playing, he would he would kind of laugh and said, well, Dick, you you tackled with your shoulders. I tackled with my head and so he you know, bang bang into the guy. But we also made the tackle. One more question here for you, Dick, and you were, of course eventually inducted into the Dolphins honor role. I

wanted to ask. I'd like to ask the alumni this what that moment is like for both you and your fellow Dolphins alumni, because I'm sure it's pretty special when one of your friends and teammates, like a Jake Scott

for instance, gets inducted. But it's got to be another animal when it's you out there being a duck in front of all those Dolphins stands right well, it is And I mean I you know, a lot of players played here and then left and went back home or went and moved some place eltse and um, I moved here, you know when they drafted being in the nineteen sixty eight and I'm still here, um, you know, and so uh you know, when you're part of the community and you get an award like that to put your name

up inside the stadium, it's it's pretty special, you know, and you know anything better would be uh there in in the Hall of fame. But that's you know, that's a different story, but it was. You know, it's a great time, um, and I can just say it was all because of the coaches and the and the teammates.

What a perfect end too, right there. And you know, it's one of my one of my favorite parts about being hired by the Dolphins and working here is get to talk to legends like yourself, Dick, and and you know, I grew up watching the highlight reels and all the old school footage of NFL films and the Dolphins were such a prominent fixture in those seventies and and later

of course in the ages with Dame Marino two. But just it's cool to be able to hear hear your guys voice and hear your experience and now to be a part of it as well in the South Florida community. Like you mentioned, it's it's very special. So we appreciate

your time. He played one one career games, you registered thirty four interceptions, and in the nineteen seventy two undefeated season, you scored a twenty on Pro Football References Approximate value metric that's a metric that has an average player at seven, so you were almost three times an average player in that season, the Dolphins undefeated season. Just some perspective for you there, Dick. I really appreciate your time today, sir,

Thank you so much, my pleasure. And so there he goes Dolphins legend Dick Anderson, and we turned now to I don't know I should we call him another Dolphins legend himself. He is here on the Dolphins podcast network. I think that I see the smile on the face there might say you like that high praise. But we're joined by one member of the fish tank today. He is Seth Levitt. Seth, how you doing, man? I'm doing great, Travis.

Post Thanksgiving still is a little hard getting up after I had stopped myself last night, but got to spend some great time with the family. I hope that you did as well, and that everybody who's listening did and enjoyed their Thanksgiving as well. Uh. The Dolphins history is so rich and so spectacular. Call of me a legend is a disservice to all the all the incredible and

legendary folks that have made this franchise so special. But but I appreciate it's very nice to say, well, the podcast network has five of us, so I mean, you've you got one or five chance, I guess to get legendary staff. But then again, you got Bocamper out there too, you got Kim both care for no J mcdonlby and then me. So yeah, and that's uh, that's me and you and you don't even contem exactly, so so we're

definitely low man on that totem full. Speaking of o J, you know, normally I would love to have my partner in crime right here by my side on this thing. But you know, it's Jets week and he gets a little ornery on Jets Week. And if you want him to start having flashbacks on his favorite moments with the Jets, he just wasn't having it today. You know. That's not the way he wanted to end his holiday weekend. So

he's he's got his game face on right now. He calls himself a Dolphins super fan that that definitely rings true with his hatred for the Jets there as well. So it's it's great to hear. I love seeing you guys this promo video for for the Thanksgiving, you know, the giving thanks for the fish Tank with you Seth and Or you you juice and preach, and you mentioned you were buying Marino's pool there is that's still the case.

Uh No, that was a little I was having a little bit of fun, but I hope some folks bought into it. I didn't have one of our listeners reach out. I'm up here in Orlando, man. I took the family. We decided to go in this very non traditional season, we would have a non traditional Thanksgiving and spend some time in Orlando. My kids, what I feelized is they're much rather be running around the theme park than sitting at a Thanksgiving table, So maybe we're onto something here. Well, hey,

I'm glad you guys are having a good time. Like you mentioned, my girls are down here as well too, So we're hanging out and enjoying our time here in South Florida. And I gotta tell you, man, the uh eight degrees, it's different for me Thanksgiving. I'm very much receptive to that. So. I know a lot of people say they missed the seasons and with seasons, but I'm

trying to figure out what is there to miss. I mean, this is season, sunshine, year round, and uh you know it's o j I'll tell you, there was no better place in the world. You miss about the first ten minutes of every car ride being miserable because you're trying to warm yourself up the entire time. And I do not miss that at all. I don't miss scraping the ice off my windshield. I don't miss any of it. And my life is laughing as I'm saying this right now.

She she loves her four seasons. So hey, different jokes, different folks. But here we are, well you, We're gonna have to work that part out, but we know in the Levin household we like one more than there. You go, good companies can't go wrong with that. Let's go ahead and talk about those Dolphins and Jets rivalry. We had Dick Anderson on and he talked a lot about the seventies, obviously, and he and Jake Scott were a big part of

Miami's dominance in that decade. And this this series is kind of fascinating because it goes Jets in the sixties all the way across the board. Miami pretty much took the seventies down almost unanimously, not quite. The eighties and nineties were kind of back and forth. There's been some runs recently, I wanted to ask you, you know, you mentioned being at Brino's pooled the fake spike in four. Do you have a favorite Jets memory? Seth. There's a

lot of them. I mean, that's one of them. Uh there, you know, and when you say favorite, there's some memories that really stand out, certainly the fake spikes. And that was before I started working for the team and and just completely in my my uh fanboy world, and that was so memorable for so many um when I started working for the team, and you know, I'd have to go back and look, but I think the Jets had

won like eight straight at one point against us. They're in the in the mid nineties, and I do remember finally breaking that street and I remember Rande Gaston walking off the field holding a sign and you know, and it was like one and oh or something like that, and we had started a new streak of our own. I think that's part of the reason, you know, we talk about O J and his disgust for the Jets, and you know, the rivalry really was so rich at

that point in time. Clearly, there's so many people New York that live in South Florida now and so that just amplifies that rivalry. But yeah, in those late eighties, early to mid nineties, it was ugly, man, it was really ugly. Um. So I definitely remember Rande carrying in that sign. I unfortunately have nightmares still of the miracle of the Meadowlands. Um. That was one that that I'll never forget. And and again it's what you know in

the moment, those things are just devastating. I think when you know, decades later and you look back at a career, even some of those most difficult times are things that stand out and and make your career filling in some way, shape or form. Um. So, so that was that was a memorable one. But I kind of like the way that that we're playing against the Jets these days, and hopefully we can get back to those the way things

were in the seventies. You made a good point there, because it wouldn't be an intense rivalry if you won every game. It would just be the step child of the of the rival where you know, so having those losses makes the winds that much better as well. And you mentioned that winning streak that was broken, the Jets winning streak that was broken. I'll never forget that one bye Bye Ricky bye bye streak was what the the the the play by play I'm blanking on his name.

Maybe you can help me out here, but his the play by play man had had said that emphatically, and that was a fun moment as Ricky raised into the to the end zone for his third straight one yard game, a couple of touchdowns as well. There that's as I talked about all the time, that's my like favorite era

as a fan. And it's funny because you know, Dick mentioned when I had him on the podcast right before you jumped on that there wasn't really a contentious nature to the rivalry in the seventies and maybe that was because the Jets won the sixties the Dolphins won the seventies. But then, like we talked about, it became a little

more or you know, back and forth. And was that when I started to get cranked up because for me, again the Rex Ryan era and my favorite memory was that twenty ten Sunday Night game where Chad Henny found ted gain and beat Durrell Reeves for the long touchdown pass and we beat them in prime time and maybe it was Monday night football at one of the two I forget, but that was my favorite one because Rex Ryan was just so he brought so much victual to the to the rivalry and he really he did it

back up in my opinion to get like where I just couldn't stand those guys. So that was my favorite time. But you know, it's like I said, arrived with it has gone back and forth several times. And in that same era was a guy that you guys just had on the fish Tank podcast and Devon Best, and you know, I want to just jump into that real quick here

stat before we get out of here. On this Black Friday Thanksgiving special of the Flashback podcast, you guys had Davon Best on the fish Tank and man, what an episode that was. Yeah, thank you Devon was was phenomenal. I mean, you know, I had a chance to work with Devon a little bit. Um, I was already working with the Foundation, but but we helped him out with the Best Route Foundation and just a special, special individual.

And at that point in time, you would see how the difficult times that he had growing up, having served time right out of high school for making a decision that he wished he could have back, um, you know, years later and how that almost derailed his career that we saw for a guy his size to make it to the NFL, even if he had no challenges, you know, it's just you've already beaten the eyes. You look at the team grants and and and the smaller players that

have come through here in the West Welkers. You know already those guys in theory aren't supposed to make it to the league. So Divion already had enough going, you know, with size and speed going against him. Uh and then you you throw in all these other things. And for a guy that to make it to the level that he didn't have the length of the career that he had, clearly that's a supreme talent. You know, you don't get that far at that size in this league without being

supremely talented. But there was so much he had to overcome. And what was so wonderful is that that he was willing to share that. And then, unfortunately, at the tail end of his career and then after his career, Davon had some um, some difficult times. Uh and and there were some some mental health issues that you know, we talked about on our show before and again for him to come on and to be so open and so candid and so vulnerable. Um. And it was important to

him that Dolphins fans heard his story. You know, he did not like the idea that dolphin fans had that whatever happened to Gavon best um mentality and not nothing against them, but they just didn't know. And and so he wanted to be able to share that. So I appreciate it was a real special episode for us. Uh. We love being able to have Davon on and and most importantly, he seems to be doing great, and so

that was really great to see that. His spirit and his energy and his understanding of what he needs to do to keep himself healthy physically and mentally. Uh kind, all those things are quick. Yeah you said that, perfect right theory, because I thought it was awesome to hear his perspective about that moment, removed from that moment where he could look back and be honest with himself and and talk about it candidly that way. Just really special podcast,

I thought. And you know, I wanted to mention to you and Juice, it's too bad we don't have money today, but I wanted to tell you guys, just thank you because you've had him and Brandon Marshall on two of the last three episodes, and I've I've told you plenty of times before that I'm a big proponent of taking care of your mental health. It's it's a a topic that hits close to home for me and my family. We've we've had tragedy and my family over mental health,

you know, shortcomings. And so to to hear you guys, put those guys on that platform and to give them that that room to speak, and it's it's really cool, man. It's it's cool what you guys are doing. It's it's fun to get away from the football side of things and hear about things that are really really important. And Devaun and Brandon we're just awesome that way. So thank you, guys. I guess what I'm trying to say here on thanks listen,

Thank you Travis. I appreciate you saying that. And again, we like to tell stories that aren't the normal XS and os, and a lot of times those are fun and and some crazy stories, and I know you love the Crowder episodes, but sometimes those stories aren't as fun, and sometimes those stories are difficult to tell. But when guys are able to tell them and and to grab ahold of what had happened and reflect and to build upon that. Um. They're inspired, you know in the revealing,

and they're very human and so um. So we we enjoyed being able to be in that position. Uh, that's that's for sure, um, you know. And I also wanted to say, as we're talking about the Jet rivalry and you would ask about how far is it go back, it's funny to hear you talk about the Rex Ryan years for a couple of reasons. One, you know, as a kid, I was raised that you don't like the Jets, you don't like the Jets fans, you're not associated. We had my my stepdad had a fire a babysitter over him.

He was some finger waving about, you know, because he was a big Jets fan in New York. And my mother was like, well who else gonna watch here? Watch that son now. But we had to fire him, you know, because his Jets fanom was just too much. And that's what I was raised in and and understandably so. But uh, in those Rex Ryan years, he happened to recruit a guy that I'm pretty close to, and that's my Boss and Jason Taylor, and so I tried to sneak out of it, but I guess it's hard for me avoid it.

And and so as you know, Jason in two thousands ten spent the season with the Jets. I had a great season, and not that he cared about this or anybody did, but it put me in this great place of conflicts and I had to figure out. You know, it was very difficult to have to root for my guy and he got so close to achieving his ultimate goal UM, and it was weird watching and rooting in those games, but also obviously wanting the Dolphins to be uh to win every game as well. So so those

were some challenging time. Going to a Dolphins Jets game with Jason wearing Jets colors UM was incredibly challenging. I wore a Jason Taylor Foundation shirt that day because I could not show allegiance to the Jets, but I had to show allegiance to my guy. So so yeah, I mean, there's a lot of different layers personally to this rivalry, and I'm sure that every Dolphins fan has their own relationship to h to this rivalry UM, and it's deep rooted and it's what makes this game so special. Yeah,

the Dolphins. The MetLife takeover is really fun to see, at least from a farm, and I've been to it myself, but to see it every year, and to know that there's so many Dolphins fans in that area, you have to imagine a big Dan Marino influence there. Just like you mentioned there's the transplants in South Florida from New York. There are people that are Dolphins fans up in the

Jersey area as well too. So hey, we gotta coming up on Sunday, a chance to sweep them, a chance to get back to even fifty five games a piece for either side. I would love to have that happen. Would love to get that seventh win of the season. We talked about the Devon best episode coming up for you guys, or that's already in the can for you guys. Charles Jordan's up next. So actually we're gonna take a

little break from the players. And Dave Cross, the the old team photographer for years for decades, covering the Dolphins from the seventies, um for for decades and the guy I got to work with. Dave's got some funny stories. First of all, he just you know, the images. So many of the images that Dolphin fans have seen for all of these years were taken through Dave's lens, and so that's really special. But he has some behind the scenes stories with the Shulas which were a lot of fun.

Um and Dave is famous, his most famous for uh, I shouldn't say he's most famous for. He would really be upset with that. But he one time had an incident where we took photos of the headshots of the coaches and Jimmy Johnson's first year, and after all the coaches were done, including Jimmy, Dave realized he had no film in the camera and it was not a pretty site.

That was not a pretty sight. So he talked about that writing Harley Davidson's with Dave wants that Dave has a lot of amazing stories and so we had a

lot of fun with Dave. But then yes, after that, um, we did have a chance to sit down with Charles Jordan's probably not a name that a lot of Dolphin fans remember, but Charles another unlikely story of a guy who was um in the l a gang scene and so and barely played college football, but yet somehow got a multimillion dollar contract as a free agent coming to the Dolphins. In Charles story is amazing. Man, you can't go wrong with that. You guys are on a roll

right now cranking out those fantastic episodes. Check out the Fish Tank here on the Miami Dolphins podcast network. I've got Seth level with me here on this Black Friday edition of the Drive Time Podcast. Seth, I appreciate as always. Man, go back to your family, go back to the pool and the and get some sunshine. My friend. You do the same, Travis. And if you see Jelling we're looking for he's out there working on the fake spike round or something by himself. You get trying and beat the

jets again. I don't know he's sleeping off exactly all right, So be well, my friend, Thank you so much. Take care And so there he goes Seth Levitt of the Fish Tank podcast again. Check out the Devon Best episode, Dave Cross coming up, and Charles Jordan. Man, they've got some good stuff coming on the pipeline for you guys there on the Fish Tank. As for a Drive Time,

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