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What is up Dolphins? And welcome to the Draft Time Podcast. I am your host, Travis Wingfield. And on today's show, you don't want to miss this one. Man, you're already here, so gott I tell you that. But Kyle Krabs is here for his second part of his two part series.
We took a look at the offseason so far, but today we're talking about Tua Tongue Biloa, how the team can continue to build around him, where he can go further in his career, how the offense can avoid the loll from the end of the season we saw the last two seasons, expectations on defense. Under new DC Anthony Weaver, We're going to do a bunch of mock draft scenarios, trading up, trading down, and the players we prefer it twenty one and fifty five and a whole heck of
a lot more. From the Baptist Hell Studios. Inside the Baptist Hell's Training Complex. This is the Draft Time Podcast, Maggie first Part two with a very great Kyle Crabs. Back for part two with my guests previewing the Dolphins draft and taking a look at the off season so far, basically getting you ready for what this Dolphins team could look like Opening Day twenty twenty four. Still far away, but right now we have the great Kyle Krabs joining us on the podcast for the second rate episode.
Kyle, what is up? My dude?
Gravis is good to be back fired up for a little draft talk here on this episode of the Drive Time Podcast.
Nice nice pause there.
I have a lot for you I'm gonna throw at you, and I'm not really sure how it's gonna go because I just kind of have some general ideas and not really scripted out that well. So I'm excited to just kind of shoot the breeze, as it were with you. But first, this stuff's a little more buttoned up, a little bit more formulaic. Let's go ahead and talk about the quarterback here, because Chris Greer. I love his press conference.
By the way, his pre draft presser was very very good, very informative, and very to the point to the point to where he said, you guys can most likely go ahead and cross quarterback off your list of twenty one. We'll look at every position and we'll take a look at that down the line, but at twenty one we feel pretty good about the guy we have in house. Right now, Mike McDaniel continues to talk about how much he loves Toua's game and wants me to be here
long term. Just tell me about Tua, his arc, where he is and year number three for Mike McDaniel here, where you think he can get better. Just give us the Tuo A skinny man. You talk about this guy a lot. This a quarterback of the team you cover. I want to hear your takes on Tua Tunka bai Looa.
Yeah.
I think reps in schemes is important and should not be devalued. I think a lot of the discourse around Tua is what his strengths are as a quarterback versus kind of the generally accepted must have to be a quarterback at a certain level. But when I hear Chris Greer and Mike mc daniel talk about Tuas still having another level and another gear to get to, I generally do believe them, and it's maybe not because he has the strongest arm in the league or because he's running
a four to three footy or anything like that. I just think there's an efficiency that comes with.
Having so much muscle.
Memory within the scheme and within the plays and where your guys are gonna be. And you saw, you know, Tyreek Kill alluded to that as far as like year one to year two, understanding the timing of the offense, more understanding the why and how the plays are constructed. And I think for a quarterback, it's just understanding where all your options are on every given play against every kind of coverage. And I think for Tua, you consider
some of the opportunities. There were some too mint of offense situations for the Dolphins offense last year where you felt like maybe there were some easier completions that were to be had and they had time, whether they had timeouts or not. And I think to the Kansas City game, I think to the Buffalo game at the end of the regular season, there were some throat out there that just having the muscle memory element there, I think gives you more consistent efficiency in all elements of running an
NFL offense. And I think that's where there is another gear to tap into for who he is as a player.
And I'm really interested to see how the Dolphins choose to supplement around him, right because that's the big thing is the league right now, it's so geared towards You build up a young quarterback with this really strong supporting cast, and you invest around him, and then once you pay the quarterback, you naturally have to make some transitions as far as how you choose to assemble around that quarterback contract.
And for Miami that is a long term discussion that they won't necessarily have to have in twenty twenty four, but you will probably start to get an idea based off of how that muscle memory continues to evolve for him.
That's why I love about his game and his skill set is quarterbacks of that ilk that play that way tend to get better as they age.
And we've seen it.
You know so many quarterbacks that played into their thirties and even the one guy that played deep into his forties who was an anomaly, but for the most part, like I thought, Drew Brees was his best and do his thirties.
You could say the same thing about Ben Roethlisberger.
Tom Brady, I think was as well, Like all these great quarterbacks just kind of get better and better because of the like you talked about, the reps, the the sustained time within the same system, and the must memory that comes with that. And we know Tua was out throwing footballs in the beach every day with his dad and just harping that must memory of accuracy and armslaught and all the stuff that he did that put himself in position to be an NFL quarterback in the fifth pick of the draft.
YadA, YadA yah all that.
My follow up question to that, Kyle is help me understand something here, because I talked to myself in the podcast a lot. We talked about to his game, and I don't get much of a chance to debate this with someone that I, you know, think so highly of in terms of your opinion of football players. Where is this disconnect coming from with quarterback play? Because I see it all the time. I see it in draft reports
like big arm, throwball, Fart's all I care about. But man, I watch a lot of football, dude, and what always wins to me those that are great traits to have, but playing the position, playing on time, seeing the field being a field general like, I don't think those things are ever going to go out of style. Why is there such a disconnect for what actually constitutes good quarterback play?
Or Am I wrong? Am I completely off based on this?
Can I be honest with you?
I think everybody does this at every position. I think you get into the pre draft process and it exists with offensive linemen. I think it exists with edge rushers. I think it exists with wide receivers. It exists with corners. There's a slew of examples of corners that get drafted off of what they could be as compared to what
they tangibly are. And it's the Every coach is going to have some level of confidence that they can bring the best version of a player out, and whether or not that's realized oftentimes extends beyond the player himself, and it extends beyond the relationship with the coach and the player. A lot of this is unfortunately circumstantial because of how
interwoven so many parts of these organizations are. So I think it's very easy to take a step back and look at the tools of oh, well, just imagine if he does what did what he did on these ten plays in this one game every time he drops back to pass, and that's so much easier said than done.
But I do think the physical potential of upside gets romanticized a lot at all positions, because when you look across the course of history, the reason why so many of the highly, highly, highly successful players are successful is in part because they had the tools, but they didn't
just have the physical tools that you can't teach. There is a between the ears elements of all of those players as well, and I think quarterback, ironically enough, is one of the positions where you can be more apt to win between the ears just off of that strength itself, because there's a chess match that's involved with that position that you maybe don't necessarily get so in the weeds with out of the spots along the way.
Yeah, I think maybe there's a little bit more ability to have those growing pains with the more physical talent as well. But man, I just I want a quarterback to plays on time and in rhythm and understands the position.
That's my number one thing. But what the hell do I know?
Speaking of that, this offense was clicking on a high level last year and kind of slowed down towards the end, just kind of to put we're gonna go offense and defense are to close this segment, just kind of talking about what you think could happen this year offensively and defensively. I'm just curious what you think this offense could do to kind of break the I don't want.
To call it a shrenks.
It's two years, but the last two seasons the offense tapered off towards end. Your quarterback was down for a big chunk of that in the first season, but last year tapered off in December and January. Why do you think that was and how do they overcome that in twenty twenty four.
Yeah, I think there's I think back to twenty twenty one and the I guess twenty twenty two and the Chargers game was the big game after that season that everybody pointed to and all these concerns that we had, and then who they played the first week is season, they played the Chargers, and you very quickly found that they found a way to push the buttons to alleviate that individual concern And I'd like to think that coming into a new season in twenty twenty four, whatever they
deemed to be the biggest issue was and there's some context clues between adding John new Smith and making overtures to Odell Beckham Junior. I think there's some context clues there as far as from a personnel standpoint, what maybe could be different to give you more clubs in the bag.
But I think that's what this all boils down to is your evolution to not just stay the same at what you did the year before, or get better at what you did the year before, but to have that and then add something else, to do something else as the counteraction, and if you log enough time together collectively as a unit, even if there's new players that are part of it, the greater unit will be able to say, hey, remember that time in twenty twenty two where this team
did this to us, Let's go back to what we did three weeks later when we solve that issue, because they're doing that to us in this game three years later. So I think part of this is stacking with new variables, and I think that's what I'm most excited about for the draft is this will kind of be our first chance to see outside of John neu Smith, what they're committed to investing to give them that extra layer that they maybe need to avoid some of the same pitfalls as last year.
Yeah, it does seem like a little bit of the focus, at least in the beginning of freegency was more defensively to kind of get Anthony Weaver his pieces and parts. And I'm sure a lot of that has to do with McDaniel and Frank Smith being like, oh, we know what we got here, we know we are plans going to be to go ahead and make, like you said, those changes that are necessary to overcome that hurdle.
But I look at so many teams over the.
You know, the course of two three decades of watching the sport that had to kind of get over that hump, and it took some time. It's like, I'm with you, man, like sometimes it takes some experience, It takes some losing to find out what you have to do to win those spots and win those games.
And hopefully that's the case for the Dolphins this year.
How about defensively, man, I haven't really had a chance to pick your brain too much on this. I've asked my previous guests a lot about what they think they're going to see from this Anthey Weaver led defense. But is it going to be, you know, Ravens copy and paste. Is it gonna have different elements? Like what's your expectations here for what we're going to see you from the Dolphins new defensive coordinator here, Anthony Weaver in twenty twenty four.
I kind of expect it's going to have its own unique flavor. When you're early in doctrinated by Rex Ryan, I feel like that probably never leaves you right as far as just the aggressiveness mentality. But he's had so many great coaches that he's worked with along the way that I think you will see a bit of a
unique product. And obviously he had the one year stop as a defensive coordinator, and there were some circumstances with that football team in Houston that I think it's probably difficult to get a full grasp based off of that personnel because good coaches tailored their system and their scheme to the players that they have. And that is like we just got done saying on offense, are you going to go out and get another back seven, multi use
player that can play all over the place. Because if that's the case, then I expect you you're probably going to have a pretty heavy pressure style system that wants to be able to match personnel against heavier personnel or lighter personnel, and know that you can pick and choose matchups when you go man coverage. You can pick and choose who you want in the run fit. You can pick and choose who you want playing deep or who you want playing middle of the field coverage, based on
what the strengths are the offense that you play. I do expect, you know, you will get a little bit more rotation up front, which means I think you probably, at a minimum, even if Bradley Chubb and Jalen Phillips do have ambitious timelines for recovery, I think you probably need another pass rusher, and I think you need another rotational guy with some ceiling on passing downs on the interier of your unit. But I think you will probably see some more pressure tendencies than what the Dolphins had
last year. But I don't know that you'll get like the full wink Martin Dale or Rex Ryanix experience as an example.
Yeah, so different in the sense that it's not gonna be the same picture pre snap every time. That kind of is, you know, developed around confusing the quarterback and presenting the same presenting the same presentation every single snap to now, it's going to be a little more flexible and different. I think they're with what they did in Baltimore the last couple of years under Mike McDonald and Anthony we run the defensive line.
So good stuff there.
We've finally hit the point you've all been waiting for. We're gonna talk draft for two full segments here coming up after the break. My guest today, Kyle Krabs Lockdown Dolphins podcast on the Draft Time podcast, your host Travis Wingfield, brought to you by Auto Nation.
Okay, Kyle, I tease this segment.
I don't know when it was. I've lost track. We've done four segments down two to go. I talked about I have done several mock drafts where I kind of tried to take different approaches to help myself understand and find out exactly where the strong points, the soft points, the inflection points, the markets, strengths and weaknesses are for each position at each spot of this draft. I know you know about all this because I know you do
this yourself as well. Just kind of trying to put myself as best in the shoes of Chris Career and the Dolphins front office and kind of playing through these scenarios. I know you've worked with you know, for big time publications and been involved with teams and talked to scouts and stuff like.
That around the legue.
Our teams doing this, our teams cranking out mock drafts and trying to figure out what it could look like come draft night.
I think this is about the time of year where they really get into some of those hypotheticals. You know, it's for the media. Part of our whole subculture is mock drafts and player rankings throughout the season, and you get to the early pre draft process, and then there's another wave because it changes with free agency. But this is really the time for teams once they've set and finalized their boards, which is something that happens within the first two weeks of April, and that all the pro
days are done, they're done collecting informational players. You sit down, you really finalize everything, and that's when you really start to look at and say, Okay, well, what happens if this happens, what happens, if that happens, what happens if this player's here. What happens if these three players are here? What happens if all five of these players are off
the board? And that's where that is an exercise that does happen in some places that I have been, and we've heard from NFL personnel and decently ranking NFL personnel that they liked utilizing some of the tools that we had for going through some of those hypotheticals like that, that is a thing that does indeed exist. So yes, to answer your question, just not as excessively and obsessively as the media dots.
I just got into it one day and these are like, I see it was from Saturday.
I was doing this.
I must have.
I must have been after like naptime or something. I was just cranking out some mock drafts. But to your point, you know, obsessively, maybe it is a good word for it, because you don't know how accurate and this can possibly be. I think somebody's mock draft machines. They're all great, but they all have inherent flaws, just inherently. There's no other word to describe that. Like this one for instance, So this is my elite top three receiver falls more than
he should mock draft. And in this case, Kyle, if I'm gonna pull my screen up here for you, it was Marvin Harrison. We know he's not gonna be there at nine, right, He's not gonna last to the Chicago Bears at nine. And if he is, they're probably gonna take him in and paired with Caleb Williams. But in this instance, I traded what in my opinion, was highway robbery becas I was able to get you know, I was able to get up there for a pretty cheap but it allowed me to go get Marvin Harrison. And
that's how I feel about Harrison, Neighbors, and Oduns. I think they're all premier number one receivers in this league. Is there a player, is there a situation a scenario ethough, you can see where the Dolphins move not just a little bit, but way up in the draft and go pluck one of these premier players.
Probably not, just because I think you have to. You don't just have to pay the price to get there. But there's gonna be teams in the teams that are trying to accomplish the same things. So now you're getting in an open bidding war. And I think One of the things that Miami has shown through free agency in each of the last two seasons and generally speaking, is
they do have some restraint. And I know there's people who are fans of the team who maybe not don't feel that way, but it really does seem like they know what they feel the cost is of something and
they're not going to go crazy. You know, the Tyreek Hill trade is something in its own animal because it's the best wide receiver in the NFL, becomes available in his physical prime at age twenty nine, and you had an opportunity to bring a player in that really accentuated what you want to do to offensively like that, that's a totally different ballgame, right, So for Miami to know we're coming from twenty one to get into the top ten, to go get a premiere wide receiver as an example,
I just feel like that cost is so high and it kind of flies in the face of what everything else this offseason has been about. So that for me, if somebody falls to eighteen, I think that's a different story than if somebody falls to nine with the Bears.
Just for me, I'm glad you said that, because my next my next simulation here is just that real quick for posterity. I showed a screen to Kyle. It'd be cool to tell you guys that and not tell you the mock draft I did here. So I moved back, all right, Rather, I moved up and got Marvin Harrison, and then I had the sixty fourth picks. I must have traded back again with the Chiefs. I dipped into
next year's capital to get this move done. So I got Jayden Hicks from Washington State, Go Kooks, and then Mason McCormick, Theo Johnson, and Jordan Jefferson round up my draft there. So that was one of the scenarios I played out. Kyle alluded to the idea of going up a little bit, and I think you and I are pretty in lockstep for this, and we're gonna play a game with the third segment taking a part of our favorite prospects for each twenty first and fifty fifth pick
in the draft. But I think this guy is probably the one that you and I have talked about the most in terms of Hey, if he falls to sixteen, seventeen eighteen, maybe it's worth the idea trading a third round pick to go up and get him, But it's this one, Kyle. I moved up with the Seattle Seahawks, who I think would probably be hard pressed to not take Troy Fatanu. If he is there at that spot, keep him in Seattle, go ahead and solve an issue on your offensive line guard tackle prospect.
That's why I just love him so much.
I think he's a plus left guard right away, a future tackle in the league as well. And then I went I wound up well, okay, so this example is not great because I have on you. I saw that second big I made another move a camp and got
laat lot To. We'll talk about him more in a second, but essentially this was my like, go get two players draft and pretty much exhaust the rest of your resources, because I didn't pick again until the late in the sixth round for Anthony gold, the receiver out of Oregon State, and then Trevin Wallace from Kentucky. But not a bad mock draft though, but Fatanu a couple spots up. Just tell me about the idea of moving a few spots
up in the draft. How many guys do you think are worth that and what is the cost to go up just four or five spots in this range of the first round.
Yeah, so I did a ten year study and it was about teams coming up to the early twenties. So we like, the price is going to be a little bit higher here than what the study was because it was more through the lens of Miami coming down hypothetically if they didn't like what was their twenty one and the trade value chart exchanges are usually the past ten years. On average, it's about in favor eight or nine points on the traditional trade value chart for the team that
is coming down. So that means you, as the team that goes up, you have to incentivize the other team by paying more than the pick that you're acquiring is worth. So if you look at the trade value chart, just hypothetically you mentioned Seattle, the sixteenth pick, according to Jimmy Johnson trade chart is worth a thousand points. On the trade value chart, number one pick is worth three thousand points. The last fifty picks in the draft are worth one point, right,
so it's on a descending scale. Miami's pick at twenty one is worth eight hundred points, which makes it a difference of two hundred points, which is the exact value of the seventy eighth overall pick in the draft.
So that's where it gets tough.
I think for Miami is you don't have a three, so if you're gonna go up, it probably involves a pick swap involving both twenty one and fifty five to then go up a spot and then get something back. Hypothetically Seattle, let's see they have eighty one, which is worth one hundred and eighty five points, which would mean they need to pay Seattle about forty points worth of pick,
which is an early day three draft pick. You could theoretically use one of the you're three from next year, knowing you're getting a three back because that pick is devalued because you have to wait twelve months suspended. So something like that, I think you'd have to involve both of your Day one and Day two picks to be involved in a trade up, just based off of the history and track record in recent history of deals in
this area. The draft getting done because you don't have the three to just throw the three in, But.
You like that the idea, like, is there a player that you think makes it that far that you would be gung ho about?
Is it Fatanu?
It would be Fotanu yeah, is the guy who I think is a long term stud at tackle, but I think could could be a plus starter for you inside in the short term. Not this similar to how that team chose to handle whin Lermie tunsl slid to them right, and that twenty sixteen season, Tunsol plays at guard with Brandon Albert to tackle, and then long term Tunsil takes over that spot until he's trained.
It's it's too easy the comparison to me, I just I love the idea of that. We'll see what happens coming draft night. My next move before we get into the actual stick and pick model I made here is the move back concept. And the reason I ran into this so often was because I kept getting the same in three or four guys that I like at pick twenty one, and Chris Graywell tell you there's going to be warrant you guys on the board they like in that spot. So there could be the idea of stick
and pick move back, get some extra draft picks. I love the idea of getting back into that third and fourth round ranch.
So I love the top one fifty years so on this year's class.
But here's this one, Kyle, I moved back into the second round. So for the third straight year no first round pick. PFF hated my selection of Xavier Lagette at pick thirty six in the second round. There, I then doubled up on Zach Fraser and Christian Haynes, the center from West Virginia and the guard from Yukon. I love what I did to my offensive line on that spot. And then Theo Johnson's kind of on all these mock drafts.
I like his game on Day three from Penn State, Jeorge Jefferson again, Brendan Jackson or Brendan Jackson, the wshut and Gokooch and Tyler Owens at the end of that draft. So the idea of moving back and getting two second round picks, you say yeay or nay, and kind of what's the position or player you like in that range.
If you make that happen.
Yeah, I think if you move out of the first round, I think that's really when you start to get into a sweet spot with some of the interior offensive linemen, whether that be Zach Frasier, who I think has guard center flexibility, or Jackson powers Johnson from Oregon who sounds like maybe the league is a little bit lower on than the mock drafts from February that have him going in the top fifteen, or you mentioned Christian Haynes, who
I'm a huge, huge fan of. I think there's a lot of scheme translatability there for him as a run blocker in this offense. Those players, I think are top fifty players that maybe if you're getting into a conversation about positional value and where they authentically rank on the draft bar, twenty one might be too early to feel
like you're maximizing the value of your pick. So if you pick them fifteen spots later and got more picks back, I think that's the argument for going that route if you wanted to, just because I think then you're maybe not reaching for a need, you're instead finding appropriate value for that first investment opportunity that you have.
I think the way this draft shakes out, and if you take a look at potential needs for the Dolphins, and we talked about this in the first episode, how we don't want a draft for need specifically, but just in terms of how you could manipulate the board to get your elf in position to take the best player who also satisfies a need for twenty twenty four.
You can do that too.
And I was gonna flash some more mock drafts that you hear, but I think it's best to move on to the next segment because essentially I'm covering the players I like in this next one. So we'll go ahead and take our last break right there and come back on the other side and talk about these picks.
Man, We're gonna go back and forth.
Kyle's gonna pick a guy, I'm gonna pick a guy, and we're gonna see who we like the best of the end in terms of who our options are at pick twenty one and pick fifty five. That is next my guest today, Kyle Krabs and Lockdown Dolphins podcast on the Draft Time Podcast, your host Travis Wingfield, brought to
you by Auto Nation. So the reason I did not get into those other mock drafts, which featured pretty much each one of these guys that I'm gonna talk about here in this segment, Kyle, is that I think it picked twenty one, there is a really good chance you can stick and pick and find a guy that satisfies a need.
Is a guy that I have big.
Hopes for in terms of his long term upside and immediate impact upside as well. And so with that in mind, I want to play a game much like Jigsaw from the Saw movies, this one though, no risk of your life, just trying to have fun here on a podcast. The twenty first pick in the draft for the Miami Dolphins or blocks to Miami Dolphins, I should say this year. And there are so many, so many variations and variables that could happen that would produce a board that gives
us different options at the spot. And I'm curious just to kind of I put a list together my guys.
I think could be there that I would seleckt off of. But let's go.
Ahead and use your big board here and ask the question to you first, who's the number one guy that could conceivably be there at twenty one that you are saying that's my guy?
I want to go get him and tell us why.
Well, I'd like to use the disclaimer to talk about the two players that are I think home run selections for Miami that I no longer think do get there, because if they were in play here I and not that long ago, maybe it was perceived that they could beat Felton, who is one of them from Washington, the
offensive lineman. There's just so much smoke there, and it really feels like there is a lot of teams in the teams that knee offensive lineman, and it feels like he's kind of surpassed potentially Talis Fuaga from Oregon State and potentially passed Olufushanu from Penn State. So I think that puts him in a stratosphere where if he's in play at twenty one, if he told me he's on the board of twenty one, that would be my pick.
If you told me Byron Murphy, the defensive tackle from Texas was on the board and Troy Fatana was not, that would be my pick. I don't think Murphy makes it either. Daniel Jeremiah just came out this week and said he feels Murphy is the name that he most consistently hears across the league. Is the sleeper top ten draft selection. Atlanta ranis class well. Atlanta's the team I think you look at the top ten that probably makes
the most sense. They're often pegged as the first defensive player off the board, landing spot with all the quarterbacks were expecting to go, and I think the take backs that up. That's a player for me that I have a top ten great on in this class. I have top ten grades on both Altano and Byron Murphy. And I did all of my assessments through the lens of what we anticipate the Dolphins are gonna want to need and the traits that they like based on what we're
expecting it to look like. So those are two guys I think are absolute home run selections.
If they're there, Okay, cut them off, then take them off the list because I agree with you on Fatano. I'm mostly there on Murphy, especially after the DJ comment, but I think Fatana is long gone. Let's go ahead and remove both those guys. And there's still probably some more names here that you and I would bandy about about who actually could be there, But go ahead and take let's go.
Let's take three guys each.
Start with your yours first, and I'll go or alternate turns the first guy removing Fatana Murphy.
Who's who's next on the list for you?
There?
Okay?
So I would have it's three defensive Lineman's kind of the tier of guys that I expect to be there. Or I have a realistic chance to be there. It's Jared Verse from Florida State, Johnny Newton, the defensive tackle from Illinois, and Laatu Latu of UCLA are the three there. I think two out of those three probably do make it too. I think you get a choice out of at least two of those three guys.
That's those are the guys that kept coming up in my mock drafts a lot to Adverse and then a combination of Newton and Murphy, but Murphy would tend to go a little bit earlier as well. I'll go ahead and throw the maybe, I don't know if it's the curveball. I guess the next line of thinking there because you talked about this and we're on a segment six now of six, and so I forget when it happened, but
it was either the first episode or this episode. We talked about flexibility in the back end and going after more you know, chess pieces to move around. It creates more of an idea identity of sending pressure in your front seven or your front you know, five or six,
whatever the numbers are at any given time. And it's Cooper Degene from Iowa because you know, I look at this defense and the Ravens the last couple of years operating from a high high percentage of big nickel three safeties and two cornerbacks on the field, plenty of dime defense as well, and we just rattled off a bunch
of defensive backs in this roster that we love. And if you want to go ahead and play five or six minute time, maybe maybe Cooper Degene can come in right away and be a slot corner slow, a big nickel safety and kind of almost a Kyle Hamilton role where he uses that freak athletic ability and just overall versatility to kind of impact your defensive backfield. I don't hate the concept of that, but I mean, you checked the bucks in the first few guys, but I think Degene would be the next guy.
Throwing there as a possibility at twenty one. What say you?
Yeah, I think there's a lot of overlap there. I do like him better as a safety. I think some of the mystery and intrigue there comes with the Jalen Ramsey element of a player that can move around so much. Is Ramsey really you're Kyle Hamilton type of player at times? That's not to say even if that is the case, I think Degene does really well playing zones with vision from depth and tackling and running the alley from depth. So I think that's the makings of a long term tackle.
And obviously you have Jordan Poyer here towards the later end stages of his career, so that is a long term need that I think you could have a rotational spot available for as well.
Travis.
I would want to just throw an offensive lineman out there, because I know there's some Dolphins fans I know would be absolutely devastated to not here an offensive line candidate year. Whichever of Talise Fuaga or Graham Barton makes it to twenty one, I would prefer Fuaga, and if it was Barton on the table, I personally would like some of the defensive options better. But that's kind of the names that I'm looking for on the offensive line as well.
I think I'm a little bit higher on Fuologga than you are, but I would love him. I think that his tape was really really good last year at Oregon State, and he kind of gets off the ball quickly.
He can play tackle and guard.
I know there's some discussion about whether or not he's a tackle of guard but I think that they can make it work here at either spot for him, just and how he fits what this offense wants to do.
So I agree with that.
I did put JC Latham on here, but that's probably not a realistic possibility, so we'll go ahead and include him in the Fetano.
And Byron Murphy category. So that's pick twenty one.
We've discussed this about the idea of the move back and how much time do we have here. We got about seven minutes left from the chest, so let's go ahead and just jump into fifty five. We won't concern ourselves with what could happen in that early second round range. If there's a guy that you list in this range that you think you have to go up for, you can go ahead and clarify that for us. But pick fifty five. Man, My list is much longer here than
is twenty one. But I'm curious to hear what you're thinking at the spot positions a number of players, and just kind of what you think could happen come draft night.
Yeah, I think this is kind of where you're in the honey hole for intier offensive lineman, whether that's you know, Jackson Powers Johnson, I know there's some medical questions there that a couple of concussions I believe on his resume, dealt with some lower body injuries throughout the course of the season in twenty twenty three. I think you'd be
better guard for Miami than center. I think you'd be doing Brewer disservice to not play him at center personally, but Powis Johnson, Christian Haynes, I think Cooper Beebe's in the conversation. There is somebody at Kansas State who played offensive tackle but has that road grading mass, big gravitational pool. I'd invoked the name Michael Hall from Ohio State and into your defensive lineman. I think would get really exciting
there as well. And then maybe if you wanted to really invest in another pass catcher, you could go wide receiver with Ricky Piersoll from Florida. Of I know some people don't want Florida wide receivers. You's origin from Marizona State, so don't be too hard on him.
And then.
If you want to go tight end, I think Ben Sinnett Kansas State is an.
Absolute chess piece. Maller Man.
He's super athletic, but has good tape and has good potential in the passing game, So I think that's a blend of skills that the tight end room right now I think has players that have individual strengths, but I think he could be all of them in one player.
I feel like this position kind of has I feel like, almost more confident about what it looks like because there's so many more options to meet here at twenty one, it's kind of uddeled and you don't know who might
be there. But I like, I have like twelve guys listen to here, man, there elect for this fifty to fifth pick, and you checked a bunch of those off Christian Haines as I actually I'm going to ask you to make your two selections just based on how you think it could go here to close this podcast out, spoiler minds a lot to at twenty one Christian Haynes at fifty five in terms of guys I think could be there. They would make this football team better and
give us good long term prospects for the future. But those are the two guys that I'm kind of locked in on right now at this point in time. But man, you mentioned Haynes to the receivers, I think xavierl Gets probably long gone by now. I think probably the same case for Xavier Worthy. I'm a big Roman Wilson fan. Still the Michigan the Michigan player who kind of lines up all over the place and can get vertical and can separate and win.
Javon Baker from Central Florida.
Maybe a little bit early on him, but I think that his vertical skill set could help up this offense, kind of create some more space underneath for guys like Reakin Wadle to not run all those takeoff routes and only be utilized on seventy percent of your snaps. Jermaine Burton is a fascinating study to me because he's always open, just didn't really have the ball playing from his quarterback last year to make big productive plays. And we'll see where he winds up going off the board. But those
are some names I'm a big fan of. You mentioned, Senate Man. He's so much fun to watch. And then I'm gonna go ahead and throw another defensive back in here on you guys, and Michigan's Mike Sandra.
Still.
I think I said that right the slot.
Long gone by fifty five. He's a stud man.
He's a dude. He's a total stud.
He kind of reminds me like a little bit, like a little bit of Antoine Winfield Junior. A different position, but like just the mentality that that the temperament that he plays with the kay reminds me of him.
So good stuf there ahead. I know we're up against it, but it is crazy. He played wide receiver until two years ago. I mean like he has these crazy instincts playing nickel corner and he's only been doing it for two years. He's an absolute stud, so.
Only going to get better. Plus like a temperature riser. Right, That's my one my terms. I U from the Move the Sticks podcast, just an Ultimate Dog, Kyle. I teased it twenty one fifty five on the clock. What's your picks?
Jared Vers and Jackson Powers Johnson, I.
Think we both did pretty good here, sir. I think we've both made the football team a lot better today.
So Jared Verse, I think a lot too.
Ultimately, I think the medicals is the conversation get him to slide. I think he the pass rus ceiling is going to be too tempting for somebody, So I think Verse ends up being the one that's on the board. I they like take making defensive lineman and ed rushers, and Mike McDaniel gave it a little shout out talking about those kinds of players when he's been asked about in the past, and then like, I don't I think Christian Haynes goes before Jackson powers Johnson. So I think
there's there's some momentum there for that. And because of that, I think Jackson powers Johnson kind of gets into Miami stratosphere. I think that they would take him and put him in a right guard.
Well, you allude to Dolphins Twitter and the reactions.
If they get JPJ at fifty five, they can go ahead and shut down Twitter for the day beause it's going to be an ultimate win as far as those guys are concerned, becuse they probably a lot of people probably want my twenty one and getting at fifty five right to talk about medical and all that stuff could play into it.
So really good stuff there, Kyle.
We have two minutes and twelve seconds left on this call at Grind the Tape on Twitter, Locked on Dolphins Podcast, locked on NFL Scouting. Tell the folks where they can find you Draft Week, Draft Day, what you're working on Just go ahead and talk about yourself for two minutes here.
Yeah, so locked on Dolphins. We will be doing a bunch of shows this week. You can find it on YouTube where you listen your Forvorite podcast, Joe Marino and I for Lockdown NFL Scouting. We'll be doing live streams for the NFL Draft on the Lockdown NFL.
Scouting YouTube channel.
I'll be dropping my horizontal team big board and my positional rankings, all of that over on Touchdown Miami, which is on Substack, which is where I do my long form written content covering the Dolphins.
There.
So and Travis, you mentioned at grinding the tape on just about any social media platform is a good way to find me as well.
You're the best buddy. You just brought us home for the draft and I'm officially done. That's it for draft content until we actually select players. So, Kyle, it's a blast every year. Man camp pre season when we got to see you down here, man, I know you know the family, Okay, perfect.
It's a little easier when you're not expecting, which was our family was expecting an addition last summer. So we'll do a camp pre season and regular season will definitely be down all my.
Favorite trand camp practice the ones's being watching together, my friend, Thank you again so much, and we'll talk soon and enjoy.
Your Draft Time man.
Thanks Travis and away he goes really fun podcast there. I am stoked though, to be perfect honest with you guys, the draft season is officially over and we get to just talk about the players we acquire.
On the next edition of the Draft Time podcast.
Friday morning, we'll recap the Thursday night Round one of the draft, Saturday morning recapping Day two what happens on Friday, and then we'll bring it home on Sunday or maybe Saturday night with a recap of all that. Plus we'll have Mike McDaniel and Chris career press conferences from each of those days plenty to come your way right into
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