Drive Time: Day 3 of the 2023 NFL Scouting Combine

I was the day. Drivetime with Travis Wingfield begins. Now let me check your pulse if not fart of what is up? Dolphins And welcome to the Drivetime podcast, part of the Miami Dolphins podcast Network, covering your team, your Miami Dolphins. We are back here for day number three, the final day at the NFL Scouting Combine. From our coverage, we're gonna tell to a bunch of more draft pundance

today on the podcast. We have Jordan Reid from ESPN, Ben Solak from The Ringer, Trevor Sikama from Pro Football Focus, and a heck of a lot more. Keep it locked right here. We're not in the Baptist Health Studios. We are in the Indiana Convention Center here from Indianapolis. This is the Drivetime podcast. Let's go ahead and jump right in first with my interview from Thursday morning with ESPNS Jordan Read. What's up doll Fans? Back here again at

the scouting combine in Indianapolis, twenty twenty three. We're here with ESPNS Jordan Reid. I think fifth or sixth or seventh appearance on Drivetime. Now. How you doing, Jordan good Man. It's always a pleasure of being here. Looking forward to having you on once again talking all things quarterbacks as we do our resident quarterback here that we go on the podcast annually. So we'll start with two. A tongue of Blowa, who had a really breakout third season in

the NFL. What did you see from his development that really encouraged you for his career going forward? What was a lot and what I like that Miami Dia was they not only got the coach in the building, but they surrounded him with a lot of weapons to bringing over Tyreek Hill Jalen Waddle already being there, and then involving Mike get Ski in the offense a little bit more too. So I mean, he showed some promise and that's what we wanted to see from to it entering

the year that he did. But I think getting those guys really helped him a lot attack in the middle of the field and then of course taking those deep shots down the field of Tyreek Hill. So I really like what I saw from me. Yeah, he had the level league and an average depth of target. I think had the most accurate deep passing perce Ange last year.

So really kind of check some of the boxes that maybe folks were concerned about, is there something he can do next or take his game to the next level, because he really, you know, came out of the gates hot, played super well. We had that little bit of a lull some losses in a row. There had the injuries as well. But what do you think he can do to just just take this game to the next level and you're number four. Protecting himself, Yeah, that's the big one.

Learning to slide, not being so competitive as a runner, but that's just too He's always been that way ever since he was back at Alabama. Just learning how to slide and protect himself, that's number one. But also getting outside of the run pass option a little bit and being more progression based. And I know Mike McDaniel's offense is heavy RPO late, but I think they need to let him experiment a little bit as far as progressions, you know, going from one to two, reading right to left, left,

the right, little things like that. You know how that goes. How difficult is I for a quarterback, for a competitor to not go for extra yardage, to just think about himself in the long term compared to one particular play at the time, like I would imagine for you, it's like, no, I'm getting those yards. Yeah, it's tough just because you get so used to doing these types of things. And he did at Alabama too, But defensive coordinators they get paid a lot of money too, so they kind of

with Mike McDaniel's offense. And he's gonna learn this as he gets more seasoned as a head coach, and that you have to develop a little bit more with their scheme outside of being so heavy RPO, being more progression based, and then just getting Tyreek Hill and jay Len watt On those guys a little bit more involved in the progression based design of the quarterbacks. You can kind of expect a natural progression just from being in the second

year of the offense. Yeah, I think so. And then you know, like I say, with quarterback, being a formal quarterback, it's like learning a new language when you're learning a new verbiage with this playbook, relaying plays and then also understanding what you have to do as well as well as the other ten guys on the field. So him now being in year two in the offense, I expect

him to ascend a little bit more. Yeah, we hope. So. I mean last year was a lot of fun to watch, but um, you know, I think for the Dolphins order to really capture what they can maximize their offense, they're gonna have to add some more pieces of this year. How about in this year's draft class pick number fifty two, a couple of picks in the third round. How do you think Miami can address and improve their offense in

this year's draft offensive line? Just because I think they have to protect to him obviously with this situation and everything that he has with guard, I think guard is an area where they could look to address. Cody Mock from North Dakota State, I think he's going to be a popular name for Dolphins fans Steve Avila from TCU. He's another one that I think would be a really good fit for them as well. And then also tight end.

I think this is one of the best classes that we have seen in quite a long time, So I think we could see as many as six or seven guys go inside of the top two or three rounds. So I think they could explore sight end as well. Life of Cody Mock because the whole like teethless, looks like asia he really does. It seems like every year at the Senior Bowl we get a player like that. Last year is Quinn Minor. It's right, the belly coming

the jersey. It's just always fun to watch those guys kind of have their moment in the sun after playing small school football for so long. So let's let's keep talking about the offense a little bit. Because you talk about tight ends, let's let's focus on that position. Is there anybody that you think really kind of can play all three phases from day once? No, for the tight end position, it's tough to learn because run blocking, pass,

pro pass routes, it's a lot to learn. Right, Is there a player that you think can come in right away in this year's class and just make an immediate impact that There's three that I like for the Dolphins, and the first one is Darniel Washington. Yeah, with you know the outside zone scheme that they like to run. He's an extra offensive tackle when he's on the field.

And then he's also an underrated pass catcher too. And I know Rock Bowers is the player that a lot of people glorify with Georgia, and rightfully so, he's a great player. But Darnel Washington made that offense go at the tight end position from a run game perspective, So he's one that I would keep an eye on. Luke Musgrave from Oregon State who was a bit banged up

last year. But you talk about somebody that's might get sickty type of player from an athletic standpoint, I think he's won than the last one that's took a craft From South Dakota State, he's another one that was a little bit hurt last year, but he's very first of as far as a blocker in a pass catch, I haven't heard that name so far. So where do you think he goes off the boarder? I think second and

third round. I think that's a sweet spot for him, So they're probably gonna have to take him in round too if they want him. Yeah, I think he's going to be a popular name, especially after he tests here. They come by, you're not kidding about the tight end class being loaded, and you know Darniel Washington. I get a kick out of his tape because, like there's blocks where he clears out dbs like with a forearm, sugar.

It's the craziest thing I've ever seen on tape. And then you have a six seven target in the red zone too. I'm a huge fan of his game. Let's go ahead and pivot and get off just Dolphins topics here for a second again, having Jordan Reeve, we're gonna talk quarterbacks. Four big quarterbacks this year. I think a lot of folks think that when there's not a lot of quarterbacks like last year at the top of the class, they call it a boring class. I don't always agree

with that. Yeah, but this year you have a fun class and you have some sizle hith the quarterback position. How do you kind of stack those top four guys? So I have a bright shown quarterback from Alabama Number one, C J. Strout of Ohio State two, Anthony Richardson from Florida three, and then Will Levis four, and all those guys have different flaws in their game, just like any

other year with quarterbacks. Bryce obviously you're gonna hear about the size with him, We'll see what he does end up measuring at jay is just can he consistently play off script and can he make offensive coordinators right and when they call the wrong play? But we saw the Grand Finale against Georgia where he had one of the best games of his career. And then the other two guys are going to be labeled as project, So all those guys have their flaws. Is just going to be

which one you're most comfortable with. So I'm really curious to kind of dive into that because I think it's a good juxtaposition for traits drafting with Levis and Richardson and probably Bryce Young to an extent to Stroud, who's more about polished pocket passing. Right, How do you think the NFL is kind of going in terms of that direction?

Like Stroud has obviously a lot of value, but our teams may be going more towards, like you said, the project because of like Josh Allen because of what Patrick Mahomes has become. Yeah. Absolutely, and you just have to think. I think the game is catering more towards mobility at the position just because those guys like Payton, then Eli Man named Philip Rivers on Tom Brady to an extent,

they just weren't very mobile outside of the pocket. So now you have to get those guys that are more mobile and able to create outside of structure, just because those guys on the defensive side, they're only getting better as far as athletes. So you're seeing guys like Joe Burrow, justin Herbert, these guys that are really good athletes. So and also another great thing about the mobility is that you have that in your back pocket while the mental side of the game is catching up to that part

of the game too. So the game is catering more to the mobile aspect of these quarterbacks. Russell Wilson because his name that comes to mind earlier his career, right, the mobility and kind of just scrambling and making plays happening out there in Seattle. So any other first round quarterbacks you like, the shares are give me those four guys.

I think those are the four right now. After that, you're gonna hear names like Hendon Hooker from ucl excuse me from Tennessee, Dorian Thompson Robinson from UCLA, and then also Tanner McKee from Stanford and you guys on day three that you think might be good projects that could potentially be that, uh, I guess your property. Yeah, Jake Hanner from Fresno State. He was one that was really impressive down to the Senior Bowl. Kind of has that Taylor Taylor Heineke case keenom type to his game. He

just has great moxie. He just makes everybody believe and he doesn't have the most He's not the most physically gifted guy. He's only about six foot one, two hundred and ten pounds at best. But I think he just has that couriers one that you love to see at the position. It's a valuable spot if you can get a back, a quarterback that lay in the draft, so

he'll look out for that. Let's go to the other side of the ball here in defense real quick, just kind of generally speaking about the Dolphins needs this year. Obviously a shifting scheme towards Vic Fangio, who do you like that could be there at pick fifty two to improve this Dolphins defense. Yeah, well, there's a lot of positions of need for the Dolphins right now. I think linebacker is one where I think they could get a little bit better at. Cornerback is another area, and then

also safety. So he's not going to be there for the Dolphins in the second round, but Brian Branch would be one that would be a really good fit. As far as cornerback, Darius Rust from South Carolina, I think he's one that would be a great fit for Vic Fangio. So what do you try to look for in a cornerback in a Vic Fangio defense, Because, like I was going back over some of the additions he made in Denver and there really wasn't like a protype that he

went after. Do you think there's something that he particularly looks at. Well, it's tough es basically for us trying to develop trends just because we're not in that draft room. We don't know exactly the characteristics are the traits that they're looking for. But we can always identify the scheme that Vic runs, which is heavy man coverage and guys that are really smart and love to tackle. So that's why I said guys like Darius Rush Eli Ricks from Alabama.

I think those type of guys they're gonna cater to big Ski. Well, you play a lighter boxes, you gotta be able to tackle on the back end, right, So let's talk about that the box portion of the linebacker position. Who do you like as an off ball linebacker for the defense? Yeah, this is a really interesting class just because we don't have that bona fide number one guy at the top. There's no Roquan Smith, there's no guys like that. But Daan Henley from Washington State maybe he's

one that I like a lot. Ivan Paced junior from Cincinnati. He's kind of a chess piece on that second level that you can move around a lot. And then also Jack Campbell from Iowa, He's one that I like a lot too. It's stuff very good. Jordan Reid, ESPN, What are you guys working on right now? Anything coming up? A bunch of mock drafts, a bunch of draft discussions right now as far as what we're gonna do right now. But I have a mock draft, a seven round mock

draft coming out at the end of this month. So be on the lookout for Devin rounds all two hundred and fifty six picks. There you go, Jordan Reid espen think every time today, make you for always, Travis and away he goes. Very good stuff there from Jordan Reed as always interesting takes on quarterback position, how he kind of approach this thing from his experience as a D two quarterback along the way. Always good perspective there from Jordan the future lead draft analysts at ESPN. He is

in line to when mel Kiper moves on. Jordan is the guy so very excited about him in his future, his career. Let's go ahead and take our first break right here. We're going to come back on the other side. I did about fifteen minutes with PFFS Trevor Sikama. Great conversation. Keep it tuned right here, Drivetime Podcast, your host Travis Wingfield, brought to you by Auto Nation. Back here in Indianapolis for a segment number two on the Thursday edition of

the Drivetime Podcast. As promised, let's go ahead and get to my chat with PF's Trevor Sikama. What's up, doll fins Back here once again at the scouting Combine in Indianapolis twenty twenty three. Heare with Pro Football Focus is Trevor Sikama. Trevor, how you doing some I'm doing great, man. It's always good to be with you. Always good to be in Indianapolis is one of our favorite times a year, man. So I'm excited to talk to some ball. We change

locations for the first time with you. We've got the podiums here in the background. Players are wrapped up for the day. I think dbs are officially done, so moving on to offense. But let's go ahead and go back to like the idea of roster building, because this is kind of the time of year where you talk about approaches and how teams do things. Definitely that's always fascinated

to me. And we've seen the Dolphins kind of on this cycle of aggressive with draft picks and young players, and then last year it was the veteran trade market, veteran free agent market. What's next for the Dolphins on our building? Yeah, I mean not to have a cop out answer, but it's got to be a decent mix

of both. You want to invest in those players. But the Dolphins kind of proved this year that they are that team that is on a playoff path, right, and so anytime that's the case, then if you see your winning window, or if you were in your winning window, then it does make sense to say, hey, we've got a little extra draft capitaler or sorry, we've got a little extra salary cap, let's go make a little splash

here and there where we need to. Obviously, building the team in the most healthy way always comes through the draft. It comes through drafting players well, developing them well, getting them those second contracts. But there's no doubt about it. When you get to a point where you think, hey, we're right there, we've got a good roster already, you do start to sprinkle in a lot of those freees.

So maybe not as big of a splash as we saw last season with guys like Thrown and Tyree coming in, but I do think that they're in a position where they can take that next step with having a good mix of both of those guys. I'm a big fan of using those late twenties picks on Tyree Kill because where you gonna get a receiver about on Tyreek Kill that spot, No you're not. You're gonna get a better

edge than Bradley Chubb and the twenty nine. I think you were so I like that approach a lot, and so you're i think interviewed number nine or ten of the week. I've asked this question a lot and I get the same mansions. I'm not gonna ask you the same question, but it's what can the Dolphins do to improve the most on offense? And it's always the running game. What's the next step in the running game? So I'm gonna ask you how do they do that? How do

they improve the running game? Up front? I'm gonna selling it like an old school coach, but it is. It's upfront, and I feel like the Dolphins have you mentioned draft capital, free agents, they have tried to get guys in there to figure out what that best five is and I still feel like they have pieces, but they it's solidifying those guys in the right positions to where they are all a total cohesive unit, and I think that that

is still something that's missing for them. I know people like to talk about like, oh, let's add a great bag in the draft, and especially there's a lot of really exciting ones in this class, and I'm sure we're going to talk about but before you get to those guys, or you know, even after you get to those guys, you have to make sure the guys up front are

doing their job. That unit is first and foremost the priority, because then you get into the point where a lot of people talk about running backs like, oh, you can get them in all shapes and sizes and get them anywhere in the draft. That only works if you solidify the offensive line first. So that definitely has to be

the priority. How confident they are with the guys that they have where they want to make their additions, That would be my answer to that, kind of like Philadelphia, right, you have an offensive dentody around, Yes, do you think you could have run for a thousand yards in that bad field? I don't think I could have run for a thousand yards, but I mean, like maybe you know the three yards before contact? Sure, I could probably do

that before you get right right right. It'd be like two total plays most, but I'd suit up for it. So that's what we're looking for here. So we have I think a good chunk of that offensive line. But there's obviously I think every team's looking every year for additional offensive lineman. Who do you like in this year's

class right around that day to range from Miamiyah. I mean, I think there's a lot of guys, especially on the interior when I look at my He's offensive line that could use the versatility Steve a Vila from TCU as somebody who I really like play really well during the Senior Bowl. I mean, a guy like John Michael Schmidtz I think is probably OT one in a lot of people's minds from Minnesota, brings a nastiness and a good

mentality there to them. I'm sure that they would love to get their hands on a guy like say Osires Torrens. I just don't think he's going to be available for them in the second round. So, I mean, those are two that really pop out to me immediately as guys that can play a lot of different spots along the interior offensive line and play it really really well. So they are guys who we saw in Mobile. They had really great Senior Bowls. They solidified themselves I think as

those second round kind of players. So those are two names that I'd definitely be that would definitely be on my raider for the doll You're a Start Interview today Steve A. Villa by Jordan Reed, Ben Saleck, and yourself all been mentioned first off the board. There's the same company once anytime. That's true too, that's true too. Maybe it's a little hive mind between us and we still don't even know it. Some what's the subliminal group think there? Yes,

you guys, yes, at the offensive line position. Let's talking about tight end and running back because Ben also mentioned the extra you know, wy tight end could be a big benefit from Miami in this show's class. I don't know if you've see it in the same way. Who fits best star at that spot, but also the running back in tight end groups? What do you think there?

I mean, I think it's a good tight angry, you know, I really think there's a lot of different we talk about shapes and sizes with all the different positions, but it seems like that's the case with Miami as well. You know, if they want more of a receiver, a guy like a Dalton Kincaide, Luke Musgraves, those guys are right there. Kind of a hybrid of both of them, I would say, would be like a Tucker Craft from San Diego State. Obviously, Michael Mayer people talk about him

from from Notre Dame as well. Again, not sure he's gonna make it to the second round. Not all of these guys are gonna make it to the second round. But then there's to me the ultimate wild card in how do you view Darnelle Washington from Georgia right, Like? I love him? He is a and you know we just talked about the offensive line, right, he feels like that sixth offensive lineman with how well he can block. And so you get this guy who was featured a little bit more in the past the game this past

year with Georgia, which he loved to see. He's got crazy athleticism for his size at well, I don't know why he's gonna measure in that, but we've got like six foot seven, two hundred and seventy pass which is crazy the way that he moves for it, but he blocks like he's that size. And so really, those are

a lot of names to know a tight end. But it just depends if you want a little bit more of receiver, because the topics around kisiki right, and I know a lot of people are talking about him, whether he's gonna be on the team, whether he's not, and what you want to replace with that role if he is no longer on the team, or heck, if he is, what you can add to the tight end room as well. So I've talked about Donald Washington and open space without four armed shiver block where he just like wipes out

a dB without even trying. Ridiculous. Truly, I keep going back the sixth offensive lineman. It feels like you have that. And when you have an offensive lineman that gives you that kind of versatility, that kind of strength on the line of scrimmage, it allows you to play all sorts of different multi tight end packages. You can get guys that are a little bit more athletic that might be in your tight end room off the line of scrimmage, use him in the slot, better mismatch players, So a

ton of flexibility. If you get a guy like Darnell Washington essentially going tackle eligible with a guy that's six seven two seven four six right right, the ref's gonna be like, wait, is that guy eligible? Oh what, No, he's a tight end wait to say. So that's what it feels like. The Darnell talking about offense here, let's say on the offensive about running back to this because the Dolphins, Yeah, Savona akhmed rahemoster At, Jeff Wilson, and Miles Gascon are all set to hit free agency. We'll

see what happens there in the coming week. But I have to her it's a great running back class as well. How do you like the Dolphins ability to kind of fill out that running back room? And going back to Jordan and Ben earlier today, they were completely different, so you can kind of maybe give us a reppermatch. So there was like one speed, one power, like was one a little bit different. So you know, you mentioned the names that they have that are all of a free agency.

You know, I figured they'll bring one or two of those guys at least back. But again, like he's a running back class where you could pick your preference. There's a lot of different kinds to choose from. I know people love to mock Devanne Chain from Texas A and m the Miami dolphinsos because it's the speed, right, he's the fastest guy. He might run a four two here in any later this week, who should be absolutely exciting to see. But you know, he's on the board there,

But there's plenty of other great running backs. I think, you know, I love a guy like Tank bigs Week from Auburn. I feel like he's an all around guy just didn't have a great offensive line in front of him, yet was still productive while he was a Dauburn. He is a player who I think brings you that size, strength, speed combination that is not getting talked about enough. So I like him a lot. Do you want a bigger back? Zach Scharbonnay from Ucla as a guy who I really

like as well. You smile like one of Jordan or Ben mentioned him as well. So but it's hard, But it's hard. He's he's he's a great running back to love, but it's just there. There are so many two choose from. And I really do think fortunately for the Dolphins second round, third round, fourth round, sometime on day three, whatever it is, you're gonna be able to get a good one because

it is a pretty deep class this year. No I smell because Scharbina, I fel like, is the one guy in college wall A Shore where it's like they actually just like almost like Dave wanstad back and they're like two thousand foot Dolphins. Give the ball to Zach Scharbonay and we'll see what else happens next. And it was so funny watching Sharbonnay, who is about six foot two,

two hundred and twenty five pounds. He transferred from Michigan to UCLA, and it is truly funny because he looks like a big ten back that you just plopped into the Pack twelve. And it's just it's a different, different style of player that he's just lower on the shoulder

going through contact. And it's like, it's cool to see that smash mound style of football in the Pac twelve because if we don't go off to get that all that air raid, spread out stuff right actually right, just going right up the middle, and these guys aren't used to it. Well, speaking of the running game, one one thing the dolphinsive really well to last yround defense was to defend the run. Now we get Vic Fangio in and I want to talk about the defense. Some prospects

they're here in a second. But first I haven't asked anybody that yet this question, but I'm curious to get your take on it is. You know, we've seen before these these young coaches bring in the veteran you know, either defensive coordinator, offensive cornation to kind of balance out that coaching staff. I think Sean McVay Wade Phillips is a great example. Yes, now you get Mike McDaniel, Vic Fangio.

How can Vic help Mike get better at his job as all the experience of head coaching experience in ye. I mean he's like an NFL lifer, right, I mean he's just seen it all. He's seen so much of the evolution of the game, going all the way from a position coach to a coordinator up to head coach as well, and so like he gets it. And I think that too. Fangio obviously is in Miami because he wasn't as successful as both he and the Broncos wanted him to be, But like, learning from that experience could

also be huge. Hey Mike, here are the things that did not work right and being able to take that to Miami and helping him in that regard. But I love the Sean McVay Wade Phillips action that you brought up. I feel like that could be very similar. It felt like it was a match made in heaven for so

much success. Phillis who was able to get so much out of those superstars that we're in Los Angeles, and I feel the same about Vic Fangio, who is one of the most respected defensive minds that we've seen in the game over the last couple of decades. So Fangio is one of the best. Loved the combination of it. Loved what I saw from Mike McDaniel last year as well, and it's kind of that old school new school that

might have a really great marriage in Miami. It's really fun to see the Dolphins just kind of get their targets the last couple of years, whether it was Tyreek, Mike McDaniel, no, Vic Fangio, Toron Armstide was a big acquisition for us too, So yeah, kind of really getting our arts. It's fun when you take the swing because everybody loves to talk about free agency and coaches and I'm like, what about this guy? What about this guy?

And it's fun to take the swing and get them to get the hits, you know, when it all comes together. So I imagine and now our roster, actually I've been talking about on the podcast, we have the most players on Your Guys Las Top one on one players list since PFF started. So a little plug there for PFF, little plug there for the mic. Good building, be good. Better be good, because I'm gonna make customs exactly our quarterback and top two receivers in the top fifty there.

Let's go ahead and and continue on that theme there, because I've heard this and this is something you see on Twitter, like, oh, Vic Fangio is going to make it better for the Dolphins offense to practice against him, and that makes sense. Tell us why they'll give us the explation behind Yeah, I mean, I just think that Fangio is going to be able to throw a lot of different things at you. Again, like going back to his pedigree and how long he's been around in the league.

He is figured out what works and what doesn't. I think that Fangio is one of those defensive coordinators who understands timings of things, understands when to be aggressive, and is able to do that in advantageous situations. And so I really do I think that it's a It's a great chess game. I come from Tampa Bay. I used to cover the Tampa Bay Buccaneers and when Todd Bowles is the defensive coordinator going up against Bruce Arians as a play caller and a head coach when they were

kind of making their Super Bowl run. I had to imagine those practices were fun, man, going up against those two really smart minds. And I think that the iron sharpens iron quote that everybody talks about, that becomes very real when you get a offensive innovator like Mike McDaniel, who was always trying to push the envelope, always trying

to do things different. And I do feel like there are going to be times when Mike McDaniel maybe try something and Fangio like already has an answer for it, and then like maybe from that it's like, Okay, well if I actually tweak this little thing, then there's not really a counter for it. And so just that back and forth is gonna be I think really fun for him too, really smart guys looking forward to seeing that. It kind of reminds me of like a like the

water Boy when he's like on the board drawn up. Yeah, like he he fakes the fake he doesn't, Yeah, he goes yeah. Yes, that is gonna be night long, Yeah, trying to figure out how to beat Vic Fangio's defense. So, on the topic of Vic Fangio's defense, were here at the combat we have to talk draft prospects, I think a couple of team needs. I've seen a lot of folks mentioned as linebacker, like off ball linebacker position. I

mentioned the run defense was really good last year. Christian Wilkins, Zack Seeler off the edge, Jalen Phillips and Bradley Chubb and Emmanuel Ogball Ray Like the hits keep coming up front. Yeah, but you can maybe see some some areas you can pop in some defenders in the back half of the defense. Linebacker, dB, let's go in start linebacker. Who do you like in

that day two range for Miami. Well, the linebacker class is super interesting, and with Fangio doing a lot of different things and the defenses out of the ball, it opens up kind of a world of possibilities as a kind of player that he wants to draft. Because I was actually having this conversation with somebody the other day. For as much as there are a lot of linebackers too, like, there's not a ton of like pure off ball guys. You know. Henry to Too I think is one from Alabama,

Jack Hambell is another from Iowa. Dorian Williams from Tulane, Like, those are three guys who are true off ball linebackers like they're guys who are gonna play in the tackle box and they play that traditional off ball linebacker position. But then you've got guys who are these hybrid players. You know, Drew Sanders from Arkansas is a guy who is kind of like an edge hybrid off ball linebacker hybrid trend Simpson feels like this like safety linebacker hybrid.

Or DeMar Damaran Over shown from Texas same thing, like this safety linebacker hybrid. And so you almost have these two buckets for the linebacker class of hybrid players and then more true off ball in between the tackle kind of players. And so it really just depends what kind of guy they want to go for. And those are a handful of the names that maybe are at the top that I think that they might be targeting with a couple of early picks that they have on Day two.

So that kind of would be the way that I answered that question is depending on what they're looking for from that linebacker position, those are the two buckets that they could choose from. You kind of describe Jerome Baker to Land the Roberts. There are current off ball linebackers will play the most last year, it's you get the thumber and you get the coverage speed. Let's get kind of exactly they're talking about the back part of the defense.

And it's interesting because you know, Josh Boyer and previously Brian Flores kind of built a defense back to front, and I would almost say that the Fangios defense that's traditionally have been more front to back in terms of the pressure because you got to get those four man pressure packages. But yeah, in terms of defensive backs, what

do you think they're looking for? Because the injuries at cornerback just it wiped out most of the room for us last year, so we were playing guys that, you know, pulling guys up from the practice squad and trying to just get snaps from guys that were healthy. What do

you think they're looking for at cornerback this year? Thankfully for them, this cornerback class is really good and really deep, like to the point where even though they're not picking in the first round, you could still get a starting

cornerback in the second round. That's not often the case because corner is really becoming one of those premium positions in the league, especially the guys that can match up in man coverage but you know in that second round they're gonna have the chance to pick a guy like Clark Phillips from Utah, Deontay Banks from Maryland, maybe in

Emmanuel Fours from Mississippi State. There's just a ton of corners that they're going to still have the opportunity to select that really could be starters from day one on the opposite side of Howard. So just depending on how things play out for them and where they want to align guys. But it's just this is a really good year to need a corner and like it for Miami's specific situation. Again, even them not having a first round pick,

it's not the worst thing in the world. I really do think the cornerback class is the corner stone or where you boast what the twenty twenty three NFL Draft is. There's so many good ones to choose from, and yeah, okay, Christian Gonzalez, Devon Witherspoon, Joey Porter Junior, they're probably gonna be off the board, but that doesn't mean there's not gonna be some great ones to get even on day two.

I feel like people mentioned about running back, tight end, corner, which is three of the needs I've heard that's it lined up very well for this where you have our biggest deeds, you know, according to to the expert Tiger. So Trevor second, up, PFF, what are you guys working on? What's coming up? Oh man, all kinds of stuff. I mean,

like we are. We are going hard on the Draft Guide, which I tell you bo all the time, like there's so many great draft resources out there, but of course ours comes with our unique PF data, So we're gonna be We've already released that, but we're making updates to it as we get information here at the combine, throughout all of the draft season, the pro days, all that kinds of good stuff. So go check that out OVERPF dot com. If you don't have it already, you gotta

go get the Draft GUIDs, signature stats they do. It's better than anything you'll find out there. It's it's so valuable to have where they play their snaps at all those recents. It's really valuable. Stu pff. Trevor second, thank you for your time to appreciate him. In So, there's an interview that with Trevor Sikima Pro Football Focus. We are going to push off the Benjamin's Soulac interview until the Friday edition of the Drivetime podcast. I promise you

will not want to miss that one. It's about eighteen and a half minutes, and we're gonna go ahead and anchor our coverage with that sit down because he was very informative and very really insightful on the Miami Dolphins operation, draft picks, offense, defense, and everything in between. So there you go. That's the end of the Thursday edition of the Drivetime episode from Combine here in Indianapolis. We're gonna

go ahead and call it an episode. We'll be back with you guys tomorrow for that Ben Solac interview as well as my own takes here on the draft that's next. Let's go ahead and get out here there. In the meantime, you all please be sure to subscribe to the podcast on Apple Podcasts. Leave us a rating, leave us a review.

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