Andrew Van Ginkel: From His One Traffic Light Town to NFL Play Maker

one short and sweet. We're gonna hear from coach Flores on his Thursday morning media availability, and we're gonna talk to Dolphins linebacker Andrew Van Ginkle. We talked about a lot of things, from favorite movie to his favorite band which spoiler alert it's a C d C. We talked about steak, Thanksgiving food, and the crazy offseason regiment he's had to put on several times in his life to

add weight and to add strength. Talking about his work ethic, where he came from in small town Rock Valley, Iowa, to the National Football League and making big plays and being the center stage on Good Morning Football twice each of the last two weeks. All of that and more with Andrew Van Ginkle on this Thursday, November twenty six edition of the Drivetime Podcast. Let's go ahead and jump in first with Andrew Van Ginko. But first I gotta tell you guys about Auto Nation. The new year starts

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Van Ginkle. Andrew, how you doing? Man? Good? Good? Thanks for man to me. Yeah, of course we appreciate you coming on right now. And I like to kind of start these podcast interviews off with a little rapid fire session here to kind of loosen it up and get to get to know you a little bit. Here are you ready for that? Yep? Okay, here we go. So what is your favorite movie? Andrew? I'd have to go

Step Brothers, Step Bro. That's a great, great selection, I think I think the Will Ferrell catalog is just tremendous. Is he Is he your favorite actor? Oh? Yeah, he's definitely up there for sure. That's a good answer. Off, We're off to a great start. How about your favorite food? I have to go with steak. You know, it kind of grew up on it, so you can't go wrong with the nice, juicy steak. And how about your favorite musician,

band or song? Yeah? I have to go with a C d C. Yeah, you know, I can't go wrong with that. What song of theirs? Probably thunder Shut? That's the classic, right, I mean, you can't go wrong with the classics. That's why they they are. Uh, here's a here's a here's one that'll make you laugh for sure. What's your preferred conditioner, Andrew? I don't know, honestly, I have used many, so um right now, I'll probably go with dove. There you go. Are you a Turkey or

Ham guy on Thanksgiving? Ham? Really? Really? That's an upset? Yeah, I gotta go with damn interesting. I think Coach Flores was saying on Wednesday that on Wednesday morning that he's a Turkey and Ham guy, So hey, why not both? That's my philosophy. Yeah, why not both? You know Thanksgiving coming up? What is what is the best part of Thanksgiving? You know, in the Van gegl family, I've just being able to spend time with my family and play cards

for sure. You know I enjoyed playing cards and my family does too, so you might have opened up a can of worms there. I love me some cards. What's the go to game? We play a lot in Shanghai, which you know it's kind of like a rummy game. Um or you know, like Rookey is a famous one. All right, let's let's go ahead and shake off the cowboobs here a little bit loose. We'll get going. I do want to go back to your youth, your earlier days. You grew up in a town called Rock Valley, I

in Iowa. What was Rock Valley like? Oh man, small town, one street light, you know, everybody's biking everywhere, and um, just a small town that you know, everybody knows everybody and every little thing that you do was it was? It a bit of a culture shock when you came to South Florida. You go from you go from one traffic light to an area where nobody uses our turn. Second, how's that working for you for real, and you sit in traffic for twenty minutes just to get a mile. Yeah.

The one that frustrates me the most is when you get a stoplight and you have to wait like three turns just to get through it. Yeah. Yeah, that bothers me too. Or when you're trying to turn the left in the arrows read but no one's there's no oncoming traffic. Yes, yes, what what's the point? The old apples like we can put a man on the movie, we can't figure out traffics. What are we what are we doing here? And you think they has to figured out? You think, so man,

maybe maybe that's in the future for us. Um So, So, back in Rock Valley, I read that you were a high school quarterback. What would what would Andrew Van Ginkle the outside linebacker or kind of does it all defender? What would your scouting report be on Andrew Van Ginkle the high school cor back? Scrambling quarterback? Very very inconsistent with this throws. So, so you wind up out of out of Rock Valley go to the University of South Dakota.

What was the transition like for you going from you know, playing, I said you were a quarterback in defensive back. You can correct if I'm wrong on that, But going from that to playing down the trenches in that linebacker position, how was that transition for you? It was a little bit of an adjustment period, you know, um, because I played a little bit of linebacker in high school, so but I never really experienced it fully. So it was definitely a shocking something that took a little while to

get used to. And then from there you wind up at iron Iowa Western. Easy for me to say, what what brought you from South Dakota to Irawa Geez? I can't say it to Iowa Western? Just playing at a higher level. You know, I've always dreamed at playing at like an Iowa or a Big ten school, So I'm just knowing that that was a chance for me to showcase my skills and um, you know, kind of go

prove myself. You wind up from Iowa Western to Wisconsin, and you know, I gotta ask you this, Andrew, because one of my groomsmen in my wedding is a Minnesota Gopher and he I didn't know this, but he despises both the Packers and the Badgers. Is that a pretty common Midwest rivalry, Like, do you guys not like the other one the same way my buddy doesn't. Oh yeah,

for sure. You know that tradition has been going on for I think a d thirteen years or so, so, um, you know, it's kind of a one of those things where you just you, I want to beat them year in and year out, and um, yeah, it's something that you know, Wisconsin and Minnesota's take pride and for sure, No, I don't know, I know the Big Ten has a lot of those trophy games. Is there a trophy in that game? Yeah? Yeah, they played for the Ax. Yeah, that's right. That's a great one. Yeah. Yeah, you can't

beat that one for sure. Did you get a chance to swing the ax when you were taking some doubts from No, that was actually you know, that was the first time we lost to them in about thirteen or fourteen years or something. So it was my senior year and usually at Wisconsin they only let the seniors chop the acts. So, um, that one, that one's stung pretty bad. I'm sorry to open up old wounds Andrew my bad man. Yeah,

way to go. Well, hey, it's working out today now with the NFL and you know, all those stops along the way to the touchdown in the Big Ten Championship game. I remember seeing that play live and asking myself, who is this guy? What a play? But I'm wondering. What I'm wondering is at what point along that road, that kind of circuitous path, did you realize that you had NFL potential? You know, going into that year, I didn't

really know it. But then at the end of the year, I had a few sacks and made a couple of plays at the end of the year. So that's when I really started to you know, invest my time and eating habits into you know, making the NFL and you know, going out and having a great senior year, and um, do ball out and play the best I could, you know, to give myself a chance. You provide me with a great segway there, because you wind up in Miami as a pro and you start the your Brookie season on

injury reserve and come back and you're productive. But you obviously weren't satisfied with that. I've heard you, coach Boyer, coach Clark Flow, everybody talks about your desire to get stronger in the off season and how that was a big goal for you. I'm curious what does that regiment look like? And did you also have to bulk up

in college right away? Because I'm always blown away by guys that go from you know, what is it to to ten as a high school senior and then by the time there are a sophomore in college like to sixty, Like what is your How does Andrew Van Ginkle put on the weight and get stronger? Right? And it's some I've always struggled with. You know, coming out of high school, I was about two pounds. So my red shot year South Dakota, I ended up putting on pounds right away

my red shirt year. So um, it's something that I've always had to do. And you know, obviously last year, just realize how big and strong these tackles and tight ends are. You know, I gotta I gotta do something to give myself a better chance to be more dominant and make play. So, um, I know this time I had to do putting on strength and adding more um pounds to me. So you know, I spent a lot of time this offseason putting on you know, a solid

five to seven pounds of muscle. That's impressive. I went back when I was in high school. I was trying to do something similar, you know, add more weight, and I would go with the peanut butter and jelly sandwiches and the protein drink every night. Does that Does that bring a bell to you at all? Peanut butter and jelly,

Oh yeah, for sure. Um. You know, I had some really good friends at South Dakota too, and I was living with um a couple of my buddies, and you know, I would wake up in the middle of the night and eat a p VJ or you know, eat ice cream and peanut butters, whatever I could do to put on some weight. So you know, I tried it all. So I think I've heard that before. Is it where you like set an alarm and you wake yourself up to go eat because it's like better metabolism. Is that

kind of in the right ballpark? Yeah? Yeah, because you're burning it off throughout the night, so you know you can get more in you. Um, obviously the better. So well, maybe I'm trained for that now because I've got a six month old daughter. Now I'm I'm learning about waking up in the middle of the night about three or four times a night. So maybe I'll maybe I'll get that pbn J and and the protein drink drink going at three o'clock, start start looking like an outside linebacker

in the NFL, like Andrew van Ginkla. But so you know the reason I wanted to kind of go over your history here, Andrew, and I kind of asked about it a little bit earlier, but to kind of go back to that, um, you know, an unconventional path. And that's the thing I love in the NFL is there

are so many guys like that. Like one of my favorite all time players is Cam Wake, you know, defensive end for the Dolphins that has a billion sacks and he had to go to the CFL and undrafted and all that stuff where it was a tough route and he looks back on his his time in those days when he really, you know, he learned about himself and

he learned how to get into that shape. I'm curious with the unconventional path, like, is there something about that that helps shape you and kind of make you who you are today and the player you are today and maybe give you more appreciation for now that you are here in the NFL making plays on a weekly basis, right, you know it puts a chip on your shoulder knowing that, um, not everything is gonna be easy and you gotta start from the ground up. So um, it definitely helps you

stay motivated and hungry. So um, you know that what being at the bottom, it's you know, it's tough down there, so you always want to push yourself to work to

get to the top. Absolutely. And you know that's a good a good segue into the next question here because you've got now, what is five potential game changing plays in the last six games for the Dolphins, And I asked coach Boyer earlier in the week if there were specific traits that allows a player to show up for these big moments, because coach Flores talks about those splash players are great, but we like to evaluate the other you know, nin nineties snaps is what he always talks

about on a thousand snap season. But the big plays do matter, like in a big way obviously, And so my question to you is is there some some specific traits that contribute to the splash play and and make your ability to make those plays improve? You know, I think it's just about putting yourself in the right position

and doing everything the coach asked you to do. You know, I try to be a hundred percent of my assignments and just be right, be in the right spot, you know, always around the ball or you know, just doing my job set in the edge and then finding my way towards the ball. And you know, if you do that, at the end of the day, good things are gonna happen. And good things have been happening for you. And you know where else good things happen is at the edge

position there at Wisconsin. Now, I wanted to ask you this because we've had debates for DBU. Penn Stay always lays the claim to lineback or you, which you might have something to say about that. But I'm wondering, is Wisconsin officially edge you? Because you've got the Watt brothers, You've got yourself, you've got Vince Fegl, you've got Zach Bond. Is Wisconsin where you gotta go to become an edge

in the NFL? Man, it's got to be up there, you know, just seeing what they do with their athletes and the kids that they bring in, you know, they they surely shape them to be the best players that they can be. So, you know, if it was up to me, I let's say, yeah, I'm obviously biased on that one. That's fine. That's why I wanted to ask you. I might suggest that maybe it's all those three pound corn fed offensive linemen you have to go against some

practice every day, right, Yeah. Yeah, you know, competition too is gonna always bring the best out of you. So yeah, you can't go wrong with big offensive line. No, not at all. You talk about the good competition there. I was looking over again some research on your background, and I saw that you had offers to obviously Wisconsin, Iowa, Nebraska, Pitt Minnesota, among others. What was the deciding factor for you going to Wisconsin? Was there ever a choice to

go anywhere in your mind besides Wisconsin. Yeah, you know, I held my recruitment process open, and you know, ultimately the deciding factor is being able to play in the outside linebacker your position that they have there, and you know, just seeing the production of the guys before me, like you said, why and Vince Bagel and Shobert and all these guys, so, um, it's definitely something that I saw in my game, and you know, I wanted to be a part of You mentioned Vince Beagle there and You've

also got Michael Dieter on the Dolphins now as well. But no, I haven't heard it this year, but I didn't hear a couple of times last year at the stadium they would play jump around, I think, just in random spurts of the stadium. Did you guys kind of like lock eyes when that comes on and be like, all right, guys, this is this is Badger time. No, we never did, but um, you know, it's a special place in our hearts. So whenever we hear that song, it, um, it means a lot to us, and you know we

take pride in that for sure. I've got Andrew Van Ginkle, Dolphins linebacker, around the Drive Time podcast. Couple more questions for you, Andrew. I'll let you get out of here, and you know, to the outside and maybe the media as well, you might be kind of known as a quiet guy. So I asked coach Danny Crossman this week, you know, is there more to this guy that we aren't seeing? He said, there might be a little more

juice with Andrew than he lets on. Is there like a topic or a specific setting that kind of let you and pardon the pun here, pardon the bad reference that kind of lets you let your hair down, so to speak. Yeah, I like being in smaller groups. Um, you know, I'm not a very big public speaker or getting up in front of people and being the raw road type of guy. But um, you know, if it's just me and a couple of guys, are you know, uh, you know, it's small setting I can be I'm more

open and um, definitely bring out more of myself. So you mentioned a c d C earlier, and I gotta know and tell me if you're sick of talking about it and we can just shut up about it. But I wouldn't be doing my job, Andrew if I didn't ask you about the hair. You mentioned a c d C. Is that the inspiration behind the main? Is there something else?

Like where does the golden locks come from? Honestly, just when I got to South Dakota and never really went to a barber, so just kind of kind of just went with the floe and just grew it out, you know, didn't stem from Anything's just more about not getting the haircut more than anything. But shoot, there might be a bunch more people following your footsteps with you know, the restrictions of COVID nineteen right now, people staying in aside not getting their haircut. I have some more Andrew Van

Ginkles out there, right, exactly, nothing wrong with that. Hey day, The more the merrier, right. So I gotta ask you this because I saw it on It's been a couple of weeks in a row now it was it was today on Wednesday? Did you happen to see the Good Morning Football segment or or segments? And they have this game called which Guy Wednesday? And they asked who would you rather? Who would you rather? Take? Which guy? On Wednesday?

The entire crew took you over John Claude van Dam and Peter Schreger of of NFL Network referenced that when he wore your jersey on the show, I'm curious if you saw that, and how did you feel about taking down Van Dam on Good Morning Football? Or maybe this is the first time you've heard of that. It's the first time I heard of that. So but man, that no,

that's awesome. And you know, I had a couple of guys send me the clips of him pulling out my jersey last week, and you know, it's it's a special feeling, you know, you know, it's not something that you always think of and when it happens to you, it's it's kind of surreal. So, um yeah, I'm just kind of living in the moment and enjoying it. So that's a that's a profect way to end it right there. Andrew Van ginkle Dolphins linebacker, special team or pass rusher, coverage man,

run defender. He really does it all. Andrew, thank you so much for your time today, man, and have a happy Thanksgiving all right, thank you very much, and there he goes Andrew Van Ginkel. I want to play some audio from earlier in the week. We had some coaches talking about Andrew Van ginkl on the their media availabilities on Tuesday as well as coach floor. It's just talking about what this guy brings the table. Let's go ahead and start here first with his position coach or one

of his possession coaches and Dolphins linebacker coach Anthony Campanelli. Um. He's he's just such an extremely detailed guy, you know, always looking for extra tips and like I said earlier in the season, he's constantly doing extra work. Um. And every little bit of information you give that guy, um, you know, he puts it to good youths. You can

see him trying to work it on the field. Um, and he's he's all over pretty much all the coaches know, whether it's myself, Coach Hobbs, Coach Crossman, uh, you know, Coach Clark, Rabby Letter and John Boyer, everybody, UM, And I think everyone really appreciates that on the team and on his staff. And he's just a He's a really

diligent worker and really a great person too. It's really cool to hear coaches talk about that a couple of years after the fact, because I remember when he was coming out of college and I wrote my story for Lockdown Dolphins dot Com at the time talking about how a dept he was and recognizing route combinations and finding his spot in zone drops are in man coverage and getting himself in the right position to make a play.

And you see that play out in his NFL tape, whether it's against the past or against the run or as a pass rusher. Perfect compliment there from coach Campanelli. You heard him talk about Coach Clark, Let's go ahead, and hear from coach Austin Clark, who actually knew Van Ginkle back in those college days. At South Dakota. I can't tell you. I do have a little bit of

a preconceived nose. And I actually remember Gink when he was coming out of a juco when I was at Southern Cow, and uh, you know, I joked in he was, you know, a highly recruited j C guy, and uh, you know, we we get a good laugh out of that. But uh, yeah, he's definitely exceeded all expectations. Um, I having not really known him, getting to know him personally, and how he approaches every aspect of the game, and and really just you know, how he operates, how he's wired, tough, smart,

physical guy. Um that that is a team first. You know, he's becoming a technician I think on the field, and uh, you know, I I think he's seeing the fruits of his labor, and I think he's only going to continue to get better. Everything he's done physically, I think in uh, in terms of just you took last season to this season. I know that was something he said. You know that he from them from the minute I met him when I got here, he says, hey, I want to become

more physical. He had all these goals in place from last year. Did he wanted to accomplish. And I think that's kind of what he's done through uh, you know, his journey, his unique journey through uh different colleges, and you know obviously he was right at Wisconsin. UM. I think that's exactly what you're seeing. And uh, you know he's doing a hell of a job. And you know,

loves a guy. And you heard me reference earlier in the podcast with Andrew about Crossman speaking to his more juice than he lets on and talking about the work that Andrew Van Ginkle does. He also coach Campanelli referred to him pretty much pestering every coach he can get in front of to ask questions and find tips and apply that on the football field. One place he's making plays with the force fumble against the Cardinals on kickoff team,

a blocked punt against the Rams against the Chargers. Rather on the special teams unit as well. Here's Coach Crossman, special teams coach for the Miami Dolphins on Andrew Van Ginkle. He's got a little bit more juice than he leads on. Ah, but you know, since we've had Andrews, he's done everything we've asked, you know, went through some stuff last year and as the season progressed, the more we put on his plate, he was able to handle it. And I think you see where that's picked up this year, both

in the kicking game and defensively. Uh. You know, we're asking a lot of him and he's he's producing at a high level. And how about his defensive coordinator and Josh Boyer, who I asked earlier this week about the big playability of Andrew Van Geinkle and how he's put himself in position to make those plays. Here's Josh Boyer on the Dolphins linebacker Andrew Van Giggle. Well. I think with with Andrew in particular, I think one thing that that shows up with him is his work ethic. I

think his effort on the field to finish plays. Um One, he's putting himself in good position and two he's finishing plays. And I think that's a carry over from the time he puts in in the classroom, the time he puts in a practice and how hard he practices. And I think he's seen some results with that. So there you have a straight from the Dolphins coach's mouth. Andrew Van Geinkle. What a fun player he's been to watch so far.

Early here in his Miami Dolphins career two years in almost two full years in here gets closer and closer to the end. Let's go ahead and spend this thing forward to Thursday morning, the availability for head coach Brian Flores, and he starts by addressing to a tongue of by lower showing up on the Wednesday injury report. Here's coach, Yeah, you got, he got banged up a little bit. Look, he's a tough kid. He's gonna do everything he can.

From a treatment standpoint. You know, we'll see. I don't think this is something that we're too too worried about. I think we're just going to continue to treat it. Yeah, he got, he got dicked up in practice. So but he's he's he's get treatment and it's better today. So we'll see how it goes from one rookie at quarterback

to another along the offensive line. Coach was asked specifically about Robert Hunt and how much playing time on Sundays has helped accelerate his development at the offensive line position, but coach took an opportunity to say that's really the case for all the rookies and this team, all the players on this team. Snaps and experience can always help. I think anytime you get experience in game, mhm, you develop. You know, that's everyone, that's players, as coaches, it's officials,

it's Jane Crew, that's everybody. So uh, I think playing, I mean, that's the best way to to really improve. H get experience and feel the speed and the uh aggressiveness of defensive lineman in his case, see secondary pressures, different different pressures, and he maybe sees from us, you know, corner's coming, say if he's coming, I think it. I think he's definitely improved, as well as a lot of our young players offensively, defensively in the kicking game. Playing,

playing helps for sure. Let's keep it rolling here for a question for coach about another coach on his staff and linebackers coach Anthony Campanelli. He was asked about the energy coach brings we all hear every every other Tuesday on the h The Review podcast where he talks about food and family and football and all the good stuff that goes on his life. Here's coach talking about Anthony Campanelli, but also his entire coaching staff. Yeah, Camps a good

young coach. We got a lot of good young coaches on this team. Yeah, he brings a lot of juice and enthusiasm. I think, uh, you know, anytime you can, you know, bring energy to the team. I mean that's always a good thing. Look, it's a tough it's a tough sport. It's demanding. We ask a lot of the players, so you know what you know, we tried to tell the coaches and if there's any way you can make it fun, then feel free. UM Camp does a good job and you know, happy to have him on on

the staff as well as everyone on the staff. I think we all these guys work hard and supported to him. They do their best to try to put the players in in in positions to uh have success. I think we're no different in the players. Look, this is his first year in the National Football League, so you know, to to Omar's question previous question, you know, every game is um experience for him and other guys who have a coach in in this In this league, a lot

of our guys have college experience. Uh. Again, honestly, hearing some of those things that they did, you know, whether it's that Michigan with the Camp or cow with g A or West Virginia or Robbie Brown just hearing some of the things, uh they did, you know when they were in college. I'm opening to all those suggestions. So it's been good. Let's go ahead and finish up here on this Thanksgiving edition of Drive Time from a great long answer from coach about leadership and the importance of

leadership in your organization. He was asked specifically about what can what type of difference can a solid leader at the top of the organization do you can hair to a team that maybe isn't as successful as far as that leadership on that particular program, The importance of leadership and coach has of course, it's not just about one person, and I don't think it's it's ever about one person, not in football Lea's I think it's about a collection

of of people M ownership, head coach, g M, assistant coaches, players, equipment. You know, it's a team game on the field. Honestly, I think it's a team game from organizational standpoint as well. So I think we need leadership from everybody. Um, I can't you know begin to tell you know, what goes on in the equipment room, what goes on from a

field crew standpoint. But I do know that if you know, we don't have leadership from a grounds crew standpoint, we can't go out down practice because we won't have them, you know, we won't have lines and numbers and things of that nature. So I think you need leadership across the board, you know, I think m hm, you know, Steve Ross and Tom Garfinkel and Chris I think we myself, we tried to m as much as we can encourage leadership and let guys do their jobs across the board.

Because I'm not gonna sit here and tell Joe Chamano how we should set up, you know, locker rooms on the road got me, and I wouldn't know the first thing about that. I could probably come up with some ideas, but they're probably wrong because I don't I've never done it. Um, So you know, to you to answer your question, I don't ever think it's about one person, you know, I think once you start going down the one persons the end all be all m You just can't. No one

person can do everything in the football organization. There's just too many things going on, you know, from personality, equipment to training to nutrition to you know, medical. I mean, it's but what what we can do is encourage leadership and let everyone be um that's called the head coach

in their area. UM. So you know, Josh Gizzard is the head coaching receivers and Kyle Johnson is the head coach of the training room and medical department and some one and so forth, and we try to encourage that leadership and let those guys lead in their in their respective realms and trust that that that um that they're

they're going to do a good job. I think our job from you in the job, from an ownership standpoint, is to have a vision how we want things done and express that vision and trust that guys will will try to put that put that vision in action. Long winded, long winded answer to I'm not sure that really gets gets to what you're looking for, but and so there you go. You heard coach kind of laugh there about the grounds crew at the practice facility and Davy man,

those guys work hard. They're they're out there all the time getting stuff put together, putting the lines down, getting the seat on the grass. And I kind of always walked by with a knot of respect to those guys and how hard they work. To get that practice feel ready for the Dolphins every single day throughout the course of the week. Al Right, guys, that's gonna be my time on this Thanksgiving edition of the Drive Time podcast.

I want to wish all of you out there are happy Thanksgiving, both from myself and the Miami Dolphins organization. Enjoy your football today, enjoy your food, Enjoy your family. Uh a little joke or I guess, funny element of the Ravens and Steelers game getting postpone till Sunday. Literally five this before that breaking news occurred, I told my wife I cannot wait to watch that game on Thursday night. I'm looking forward to it so much. And then boom

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