#Throwback Episode - w/ DJ Clark Kent | (Ep.72)

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A drink chants, motherfucky podcast. Fg so, And when we started this show, we said we're going to continue with legends. We're going to keep it legendary. And right now we have one of the world's famous DJs, one of the best, world's best producers behind the scenes of touching every you know, top tier artist, Pass has had to go through this man's school, has had to be in a session with him, had to be schooled by him. He's done countless hit records,

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Remember old D and D studio.

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D and D never had a C.

I don't remember D and D. I have a C. I don't think it ever did. I don't remember having Uh what is it called the termite?

People like exterminating either. They never had exterminated D D. Big up Premiere, God damn it for keeping hip hop hip hop.

We just had Premiere and p Rock on here. But before we get into here, we started this thing saying that we wanted to keep legends and hip hop alive. Today marks our first episode we ever dropped March twenty fifth. We don't know when we were dropping this episode, but March twenty fifth was our first episode. We hardly didn't know what we were doing. But you with my boy too and with our boy? Was that with Joe? That's right, boy,

You say?

You don't know him? Right now? You like you like me and like right now I'm interview worried. It makes sense, it makes sense, so listen, So did you start as a producer first? Oh, you started as a DJ? DJ? I'm a DJ first, thousand percent, Like I'm I don't even know, Yeah, yeah, I'm a DJ first. That's it. Everything that I do is based off of me being a DJ first, Okay? And who was the person you looked up to as a DJ? I would probably, if I had to say the most, I would say Larry Levan.

You did that?

Yes, I did. That wasn't the first joint you did for Big right, that would be the first joint I did. That was his record, but he was on Junior my Fair Records. I executive produced the album with him. We did that together. Okay, we're gonna go back to that. But Scott's the Limit one of my favorite bigs, Thank you, brother, and today is twenty is after that? Yeah right, and that's makes a noose for that.

Anybody spoken.

It is not be doing on drink Champs the cameraman even with that horn. I'm a joke your man with the horn. I'm just show me. So Scott's the limit. Now Big calls USA, he wants to beat Buff calls you or how does this happen? We were on tour. Okay, then he goes, let's start. He wants to make records for Junior Mafia, and uh, he goes someone we come back when we go home. When we come back, just,

He's the best.

He's so you do discot's the limit. Like I said, he was on we on tour and I brought him some music back when we was going. When we went back on tour and he heard it, he said he wanted it, and I thought he actually was saying he wanted it Virginia Mafia. But then I figured out, or we figured out, that he didn't want a Virginia Mafia at all. He wanted it for himself. And uh, I kind of was like, well, you can't have it because one I had given it to what Yeah, it was,

Mean, he definitely.

It was. It was a change. What it was. It wasn't the change that I'm asking Clark, you know what I'm saying to change, like from Digital Underground TUPAC to death ro Stick changes changed because you're you're you're you're skipping a whole section of when he made records, Like he made records before he became death Row. You know what I'm saying, Like Brenda's got a baby. Holler if

Melly Mills also, I think old body build up. Yeah, but he ain't take my fighting. They were talking about what did fight didn't have to do about it?

I mean just automatic thinking, like you know what I'm saying, Like, but I think that's dope. I think that as long as you're MC, you should think that you're you're you're the best. Sometimes you got to have reality hit you, like you know what I'm saying like, Well, MC shouldn't have reality hit him. Rappers should have reality him. Okay, come on, get your camera, man, Come on, man, while you what it's right? Great, shut down, fast and furious. So maya. What is your favorite time in hip hop?

I mean I go back and I was, you know, I have my hands in clubsos back in the day.

Yeah, I was one of the.

Many guys that had a little taste of club essos.

Back in the day.

So you know jay Z twenty two tools club essos.

I remember one of my dudes from left right, they had a chick and jay Z and Big came in that night and they took my man's chick in the club, and that what happen. That what happened, and.

They came in with just them too.

It was just Jay z and and Biggie. I was like, damn, Like, well, we should have jumped them as here's a thought, here's a thought if they walked in and took this dude's chicken, wasn't it was like a bitch. They just met at the club and still but still, you know, we gigged doing this nigga for weeks.

He probably just that was big and Jay, I mean that that movement was was that what's that movie?

We got a c we gotttle open another bottle?

Boy?

She was up. It should have been crazy.

Yeah, but that Club Essos movement was crazy.

I mean, you know, you had Jay with the twin tools, Maria Davis Man Wednesdays. That was one of the illest parties we ever had. You know, Maria Davis Every Wednesday was legend. I was a legend every party. I'm one of the few guys that seen Clark about thirty five battles and couldn't walk out the club. I've seen Club about thirty five bottles and couldn't walk out the club trying.

He's been one of the greatest DJs on the planet. Brother, And we're not gonna argue, and we're gonna respect that tonight. But ahead, man, I'm.

Sorry now, Junior, my feet shot uh to give money video money. Part of the give money video was shot a club, so and that was cool. I mean they just walked up to the club one Wednesday afternoon with a couple of dollars and was like, yea, we shoot for the who day. Cool, let's make it happen. So, you know, to see ship like that happened all the time was crazy.

But I mean, how did you become a sneaker king?

I've been doing this since I was ten years old.

Man, collect this sneakers.

I got into sneakers when my moms bought me a pair of skippies. Man, you know the skippies there dollar ninety nine. So it wasn't a skippy really, it was a shoe called the Mark five. And my government name is Mark. So I thought I was the coolest mother fuck on the planet because I had my name on the shoot. I went back to the block, got laughed off the block like now you wearing Skippi And after that whatever I had to do. What I was robbing

And then you, Clark, how did you become? Because I'll tell you what one of my boys right now, like you know, because we'll be saying college and fat Joe is cheating, like we said Claud got a Cheatko too. Like when I asked my boy, my boy said, he's probably the only guy in the world that could tell Fat Joe and DJ college to relax. My boy said, respectfully, it's probably true. But if we say Cali, yeah, the dance would be yes. There's no argument to that. He

I went to high school with Joe, Like Joe, my lunch room was fat lawing us.

Wow what I'm saying.

So, but I want to Joe went to Morrows for a year and of course he got kicked out and not enough and I'm a little SOLDI you got to t chain and I don't I know Joe for a long time.

I got a let the rest.

I got a let the rest.

Salute the one year yes, you know, and on your one year show when Joe was talking about sneakers.

My name mentioned later here, yes, yes, yes, that's what they ain't got mentioned by Joe. Yeah, and Joe, if he's being honest, he mentioned me too. I know he did say. Yeah, he says you and look at why bring with you? Yes, and you bring the other sneaker. This is this is real ship. I don't think you've never been on the podcast. No, yeah, that's crazy. You know we got actually we're doing a podcast on Joe about sneakers. So he's gonna have his own podcast called

Like you know, he's gone, okay, like you do that, you gotta be.

I don't have the no, I gotta try, gotta try, yo. Do you know I've been trying to get Fat Joe high for fifteen eighteen years that I knew him. And the other day he had a tooth fake and we got missed the childs and I'm smoking a vapor pin and I just passed it to.

Him and he hit it and I was like, I was like, I didn't even say that, but everybody everybody's talking and ship and they act like it's normal, and he's like, he looks at the whole table.

He goes, No, nobody see this fucking fake. I'm so happy. I just stood there, you know, the basket for eighteen years and you never want the damn my life never spoke. We never tried it once. Yeah, and I thought it was orated, it was overrated. I traded, tried it once, try it again, Right, you're trying to make me try again. I know you got to get that money tonight. But now let's let's stay there on a sneak of things. So how did you start this fetish? Like you know

No?

No, I don't, man, I'm just i gotta look. I got it. I'm light today. Man, I'm like you all, Yeah, I got those. I don't know whether you probably don't have these, but you probably don't have the original. These are the ones that came out about four or five years ago. I ain't got that right. You got the new ones that just came out. Yeah, So how do you keep y'all shit fresh? How do you you were

Relax, don't double back to that.

When you got that five zs and you signed you want sneakers happening.

Enough actually went aver Rex sopping text. I went to the fish ship across the street from Stretch on strong ship. Yeah that's definitely, that's definitely the truth. So look, now this is basically shot time. This is when we take a shot of your preference. This is part of the show on every show.

Yes, I'm an avid listener. Yes, all right, the first half is the com you know what I did?

I actually, you know, you know, because you're my friend. So I actually look at other interviews and I want to be the exact opposite of every other interview you ever did. And I want to just ask you about hip hop as opposed to just ask you personal stuff. We'll get like to little things, but I want to ask you in general hip hop because you're a hip hop king, and we got to acknowledge that. We gotta respect that I appreciate, and that's what the show is about.

Too, that, to me that was.

I remember Clark coming in the studio and saying, hold on home, hold on, you went too crazy. Break that up, And I didn't know how what he meant he broke it up? Had the chicks from s w V come I never met? Like I was? I was mad John? What is that shit called? Uttressed off shruck? But then she couldn't sing Let's keep it right?

Which one?

Which one? I don't remember which one? The one thing I think it was it was either legally it wasn't. I think it was. I wasn't the main and Coco could sing, but I remembering waiting, I being so disappointed. No, it's not that they can't sing, it's just that it wasn't working that day. No, No, I'm not saying that you can't sing. I'm saying that day that it wasn't working on the song that on the melody, she couldn't she couldn't catch it. But I brought nigga in it.

You you.

You got to get some pretense to the to the to it. I knew you from before, like everybody needs to know. Like it wasn't like I just walked up and I just was like, yeah, no, that's not what you're doing. You know what I'm saying. It was more like, okay, I knew him all the time, and it was your clock.

Other How did you take that when he told you though like you.

I just wanted to learn. I wanted to learn. I sat back like a as a student, and I've seen him produce like he said it was yeah, but look again, I think the times were different than it wasn't. It wasn't I'm gonna give you a beat, you know what it was. I wasn't back that we made records to that. But like dudes who never had a record, like who never sold the record, they'll give you a beat and just walk away and be like, yes, go down and face well, what does that song sound like? Or is

Who's poor?

Oh? I gotta pour money for yourself. We don't want to be. We don't want you know what I mean. You're a legend. God damn it. We see what your wedding wing on. I wore mind so I knew he was gonna wear y'alls. You know. So you said you got married. You said, I war minds because I need.

The shots so my wife. That wasn't I can't.

Hang over man. That was That was like a kid with you mind.

That was love city, bro.

There was a love for cy me. That was love city. God damn it. And we got trolling for clock cancer and motherfucking may Man is happening to you? Gotta wait? Can we get a shot of air conditioning? Oh yeah, he was over here, son. It wasn't.

Was the air conditioning, mister discussion.

Buny, goddamn it, trying to fix him. I'm so happy you brother.

You want to say?

That's right? Man? The three champs, God damn it. I'm having the world gainst. We celebrated hip hop look at that. Look at that, I knew Clark is a different type of person. I asked him what he drinking. He said, patron. People who drink patron, they like to go to the abits. That's the bottom of the ship.

I expect you to.

God damn it all right now, let's go.

I feel.

Ye. Goddamnit look like at the biggest shot to sea because the DC tour in the house. God damn, you know we love you so Clark to get money beat, I didn't do to get money beat. I'm mixed to get money record. What happened was d J d J E. He's easy. L P. You over that right? No, LP, where are you going right now? I just asking because

It sounds like something happened.

I didn't. You know, it's crazy. Soon as you get this shot, don't. But I heard the story. There's no backing off either. Well, just just I was around then, just so you know, it wasn't over me. It was over he was on the phone and and he was I think it was either on just or somebody was saying them. And and then somebody somebody was like he I don't know who said turn the ship down or whatever, but you know, then and then he got hurt big

We're taking a little shot.

I want to.

Listen.

You can take all the shots you. I'm not mad. I'm saying I did not hit him with a machine. I think, so what did you? There was a rough conversation about the fact that when I mixed the record, and when I was mixing the record, I was taking out the drums that he put on the record to just leave the loop by itself. Why is all the arms for? It's not deep, it's simple. And I think played myself, and I think that's the way. I think. There was a like a heated conversation because honestly, I

Believe, it's no job, and like every other thing, like every everything you ever mentioned, and like but right now, at the moment, you got in the Brooklyn on like you can't even take the Brooklyn smirk, like you can't take another jot Clark, I got, yeah, you gotta.

We're celebrating clark Head tonight in the words, in the words of Norman.

I'm the official porl and I.

See you on the d J yesterday. You had champagne. You killed the crowd, yo, goddamn it. I'm still proud of you. Still out here relevant to take another shot? Godamn, come on, we're gonna do it. Luke Clark can motherfucking mayor goddamn goes down like that.

I am not going to the party.

The best liquor on the planet throw that out there. That shot was way too much, So Clark over again, you did not I did not hit easy l P with a drum machine at all. I had nothing to do. I had nothing to do with it. So you want they want to get off of that subject.

I'm gonna text you to not tell you.

But it's all because Easy LP his family as well. That's what I'm saying. It was I heard because you know, you know why I heard that room up because they was telling me how Big was like an instigator. So they so they because I used to instigate ship like Big Big as an instigator. So that's how I actually got that story. But I wouldn't say Big was an instigator. I would say Big was he instigated the machine. The machine just that.

It's crazy.

I'm can I ask you about the rabbit you slad? No, it's okay, it was okay you already said that. I'm like, you know you know what you did? Yo. I want to be. I want to be I want everybody to understand this. Nor re curved me when he first started doing the podcast. No, yes, wait wait remember you hit me on Twitter and hold on. I was way later.

I was like, aha, I said don't.

I said, I don't know, because I know you you roll back. Here's the crazy ship.

Now.

I'm a hot nigga. So sometimes I answered somebody else thinking I'm asking somebody else. You listen, I'm gonna be honest with you. It's certain people that is like so much family to me that it's like you're one of those guys like I did. I don't pressure you because I know that me and you're gonna sure, we're gonna do it. And then I've seen you did rap up. We almost didn't. When I said you didn't, I'm saying I said, I said, hmm. I said, they don't know how to, you know, get it out of him, Like,

They do.

What they do is what they do. But what we do is we celebrate hip hop. We celebrate moments. Okay, let's celebrate the Poladia. But because celebration, you're trying to celebrate someone getting here with a drummer shet of having an issue with easier, I didn't have it, yo. That's so I'm telling you what actually happened because that's such a classic hip hop story. Because y'all was so intricate in the Junior Mafia album resolutely, you know what I mean.

And it was Jake and I was in.

Mind who said you gotta hear my man Jazz. But the thing is like, when you knew jazz, you felt like jazz was like the best thing in the whole world in Brooklyn. He was untouchable. Wow, Like if you really knew and you listened to rhymes a certain way, like he was really untouchable. And then he brings this dude who's as good as him but has a little more swagger to him. But not back then, did you know? Not back then then he had a little yeah that no on Hawaiian Sophie.

It was already drunk Hawaii.

I didn't know what he's saying going right now, It's okay.

It was a soundtrack, it wasn't a sound You got people listening to you, man, we can talk.

Yeah. So Jazz is like, you gotta hear my man here, his man, his man is light. So when I got my first job at a record a record company, in between these times because Jazz is my man, every there was a bunch of times that he did shows and he would call me like yo, DJ for me at the show, and Jay would be there. So I would get to hear these two rhymes all the time. And I always thought to myself like these like might be the two best motherfuckers in the whole world. Wow. So

Well, who's that?

Because I don't know if listens at Jane is one of the shirt Kings, but these name was Punky Fade. Now, shirt Kings was like a very popular place in the Coloseum, more than Jamaica Queens.

That is like, you understand that everybody from New York.

Okay, with all due respect, if we're saying shirt kings and he can agree shirt Kings. Anybody who listened to this, if you if you go on Google and you guilt up shirts, get your Google shirt Kings and you'll be learning something that was important at that time, and shirt Kings were important. Funky Fade and Nike was super important than hip hop, and they were a part of the

There was a bunch of people we were scaredrus shirts back then.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, there were legend. They were legend like like like like people will take pictures and like in front of this.

So when we were seeing that in other cities, they were emulating them.

One hundred percent.

You see any with a big.

Shirt, We were saying anything hip hop in any other city. They were trying to duplicate ship that we had already done, not that we were doing ship that we had already done, Like we built hip hop and then we let everybody.

Else saw York.

Yeah yeah, well that's absolutely be talking about absolutely, but I mean it evolved in a changed and each city did its own part.

Of it, but they anything that they did. If we didn't have this foundation and ship that they worked from, there would be no rap, if there was no hippo. I just want to say, I want to say it like that so that when you say, when you look at somebody else and you see it in another city, it kind of has context or another country, it has context that it came from this.

Absolutely okay cool, but also on some fan ship, what made you?

And I'm privy to all these stories already because I've been around you forever, what did you hear from Jay that made you say that these two are the best.

And you know, this is the reason why I want to know what you heard, man. And I'm the same thing as this question, because I remember you talking about Jay when everybody was like, clock, it's crazy.

I'm gonna make I'm gonna make them tell another story after this.

One, but go ahead ahead, so like like, so re iterated when he asked, like, what made you see what did you here? Like she was crazy? Because I know, yeah, I know, you and Dame Dash can't really get along because yeah, he goes, yeah, yeah, that's funny you say that, because Dame is really my man. He's my man. You know, he's my man. You know what, he's my man. I can't say anything negative about him. I can't even if I try. The things that I would say, it would

You know what?

Wait wait twenty yeah wait wait wait, sit down now, RELs what we're gonna do while we're here. If you asked me a question, on gonna finish the answer?

What was the question?

What did I see?

What did you hear from Jane?

Why are you fucking interview? Let me live an interview. I'm interviewing. If you don't want to, that's on, y'all.

An interview, my podcast, interview with that, y'all come on.

I like to give context to answers. So when I was growing up, when everybody looked and they saw Melle Mel Rap and they thought, this is motherfucker is the illest ship I saw great, I saw Grandmaster casts and I was like, he's to me, he's to me, he's a little iller. See them when time's going on and everybody's talking about whomever. I heard Rock came around when he was eleven, and I was like, wow, at eleven,

This is before even that.

Yeah, I mean, and for him to say that, that's crazy. God damn, this motherfucker got me Africa. That's what I say. Home more shot, Let's do it. That's South Africa now, God damn y Michael Pink Pong what that's that's another rock. I just wanted to throw it out there, smoothing back in the world. Oh my god, figg a little water hydrate or something, Joe, because yo Claw, so you worked with Jay. I was given context to the answer, but I got an interview, know what I'm saying. I would

I was think about.

You was younger than that. Nor he was young. Nory was young when he was doing work when you did the work for seventeen love. Yeah, the first time I met Normy, he's not going to remember because Tragedy introduced me to him, and he was wow. Young. But he introduced me to Poem before he introduced me to him, because Poem was from the projects with him, you know what I'm saying. But when I brought him around, it

Was your favorite number?

And damn this is my nigga. Okay. So, like I said, I saw it when I heard it, I heard jazz. Like I said, when I heard Jazz rhyme, the complexity and the things he was saying, the bar for bar for bar ship that he was saying, I was like, no, he's the best rapping in the universe. Yes, because he was super smart and he projected the smart ship that he was saying in his bars. And then he introduces me to this guy who's instead of being as smart,

And we had the.

Rise, we had the canes, we had the care wrestlers, we had everybody. I was going nine, nigga not better than Jazz. Oh, but his man's was his man's turned the corner. Now you see Did you see that he would be this where he's at now? Absolutely you see it? Then, No, I saw it as soon as I got in touch with him, Because what most people don't know is when I got in touch with him, it wasn't so weakd do his records. It was so that we could do

Like it's no.

Ho history, that's crazy.

We gotta go four shots continue clock number now five is five. I'm odd enough nigga. If I go four, that means I mind, it's my fault. If I go for that means my is to go five because I'm an odd nigga. Wow, Like I like being odd. I don't want to be respect that. Where's the bottle he's drinking from? All drinking from you? Is it real? It's real?

Trust me?

Please? What I'm drinking, I'll drink what you That's okay, It's okay. Don't look over here with that look. Give you that queen's looking. We're gonna look like relaxed noor and give you the queens look. I can hand clock, but continue. Yeah story you were saying, Yeah, you asked me about original flavor, original flavor, and those those things were happening at the same time as I was doing records on Ja and trying to make sure that I was doing records on Jay and Jazz, and they introduced

I want to talk about.

He's paying the media. He's just coming out of him. I'm sorry, Clark, I misjudged you. I miss justice. So now you've worked you arguably, you've worked with Big, you worked with Jay, I worked with Nori you worked with But before that, there's this kid that comes out called nas Yeah, well you know about that. I would like to hear your story. So what story is not a story? It is the true who got a story about everything? You're a legend, nigga, expect you, nigga, tell me about it.

That's amazing.

I made it up right now, Okay. Power Play Studios, I was remixing a bunch of records and that's the place I would do all the records at. And in the next room, I was always large professor, Who's who's my man? And he uh he did the barbecue, live the barbecue, and when he did live at the barbecue, he was like, Yo, come here this record. I'm here in the record, and I'm like, whoa, He's going the fuck it's this nigga And he was like, Oh, that's my nigga. Now some queens, but Nigga and was on it.

The bottle got violated.

Look in your mind about it, right, You see what I'm saying. Look, I'm gonna go back. He's like, Yo, what about nods though, I'm gonna bring nods through and I was like absolutely, So he brings them. We're sitting down. We had Atlantic Records, and I go let me hear it, and he goes hear what And I was like, Yo, give me the demo on this nigg and he was like, I don't have no demo. Clock he ain't got no songs right now. And I'm just like I couldn't sign. But the reason why you need a demo because you

Like.

So, like I said, he said that, and I was like, Yo, look, I swear to god, I heard that ship in like three seconds later. I was on the phone with I was like, yo, I remember, but to the office, he was like, yeah, Clark White, the fuck you're asking me that? I said. Remember when he's when I couldn't sign him, He was like, you, mama could He was like yeah, yeah, had no demo. I was like, okay, I think you

Is what.

Listen, listen, are you a gentleman manager? My ship is is that I'm not petty. It's just that I wanted I think I wanted him to be clear because it fucked with me for all these years that he thought something so crazy and I pulled them over as me him Andre, I was like, who knows? He came to my studio. I mean he came to my office and he was with was like yeah, I said remember when we went when I couldn't sign you. He's like yeah.

Man, Relax, relax, But his albums hard. This album's fire, fire, fire.

This is, without a doubt, no question, the best body of work he's ever done. Okay, now I'm gonna throw you a curve ball. Did you listen to More Life? Absolutely? I feel like that's his best body of work. We just like that's Drake's ever If you take the singing records off of that album, that Ship hip hop know that Ship is a five mic album right there. Hold on, I want to. I want to. I want to visualize because it's twenty I'm an honest nigga. There's twenty tracks

No no, no, no no now now as as a hip hop give an artist album, and as a album, I do actually would like to see a whole rapping.

Drink because because I don't know, if you heard that joint free, smoke free, smoke free small yeah, yeah, that ship reminds me of a Havoc beat and and and that moment when I heard that, I said, you know what, he's actually tapping into the era of the nineties.

You want some float, but I'm giving him a new flow. So that was a Havoc beat to me. And people don't really respect that dude the right way. You know why because it's a lot of factors when you look at him. But if you took away all the factors and just looked at the music, that dude is wild. Wow,

No?

No, we can't. Yo, you know what, I'm gonna be honest. Yeah, you know all we care for the whole weekend. I'm gonna be honest with you. This is one real fast I know what I do when I get a person here. Right, you don't know about him, so you can't really get to know. I know all about him, but I'll get you kicked out of the league. Okay, cool, because if I get your get me kicked out of and I start, you gotta get me kicked out of hip hop. No, you can never never saying if you can get grunk

By like y'all, y'all, let's make some noise.

You mean that not making sense of making perfect sense. We gotta open at about our champagne because we're celebrating, celebrating Clark Kent Man. Can't you dj all over the world? You got who you got deals with Japanese people and all that type of ship. What is your favorite place to d J at? When you go there, you're just like, this is me. You gotta make sure you get to shape offs in the morning and at this is this is your spot? What's that swat? Probably Japan? I knew

You better let you go, Michael Stick right now, I.

See on snapchat you were killing that ship last night with a bottle of chat Bank. I don't know if they put molly in your ship, but a little bit. I felt like what major of the operative word at the beginning of what you said, But you were killing ship, that's what you said. Killing talk had me dancing last night. I seen you stepping dancing. I see you dancing. God damn, it's a beautiful thing. Clark hit that week. It's not gonna work, but ahead, let's talk about your DJ experience

That was.

No be clear, I'm talking no, no, I'm talking about I'm talking about when I was a super care like when I was like seven eight, like like she was in government, so she dealt with him like that. Wow, I got pictures. I posted pictures on on the inter at I mean on on on on on Instagram with my mother and it was knocked up right down the street from from Hood Harris did Heroin.

That never weared thirty third So man, yes, sir, God damn Man's little seeds. Some man, yes, sir, you see this other sneak of people out there.

Yeah, who is somebody you sat back and said, I gotta kill these things because you because you're a rapper, because you're not a rapper, because like rap, that's how rappers thad. But you know what I'm saying, like, no, I mean your family, So your battle. I don't know what. Listen, I'm gonna keep it a thousand percent with you. And I don't know if he's gonna mention it. I don't know if he's had enough drinks. He's not in competition with nobody but me, I've been doing you know what

You ain't see Jordan Gella Yeah, Jordan Yella Yeah.

Okay, yeah, explain that. I mean, well, he's so.

All those he sold all them shoes, and he sells shoes and he's not like that's a collector because he doesn't wear everything. He'll buy something that size. Now the side twelve, so I was fourteen, just to say he has it right and that's dope. I mean he got an ill collections.

There's a difference if you wear difference, I wear a breath.

I don't wear a brand new pairs s niggas every day, but I wear a brand I could wear a breath. I can wear a brand new pair of sneakers every day for ten years.

Wow, But I don't.

I mean, I'm not clock. I don't wear them every day. I wear air Force three days in a row.

Then I get rid of it. What about that kid, that fat Joe brother around, the kid from Dubai. Is he no money kicks? That's one day, one day I'm dirty. I'm dirty kicked king. I'm just saying I love that.

One day you buy I guy, one day he'll buy my collection. Shout the money kicks now. But my whole thing is I've been doing this ship for so long and my this is my this is my this is the ill part. So I'm not a rapper, I'm not an actor, I'm not a celebrity. I'm not entertaining.

I'm not a DJ.

I am I am asked no disrespect, brother, I love you clock more stuff that I've been doing this for so long, and I really became famous so for sneakers, which is crazy because I'm not famous, you know, what I'm saying. So there's no DJ, no rapping, no nothing. I'm just this dude from the South Bronx. They've been around one hundred years and been into the sneaker game

No, no, he was selling me shoes way before.

They wasn't in it. But how's that happen? Though?

So for me from the so for me, it's crazy.

He goes so now it goes the whole hip hop element and the whole thing. So I had club essos. But before that, one of my best friends I only have. I got three best friends. Clark is one of them. My man Speedy James Williams. He was in a Nike commercial where they was doing the dribbling with Jason Williams.

And Rashid Wallace. He's from the Big that got the body Jason Well.

No no, no, no, no buddies, no no, no, Jason Wing when that Sid his normal driver, not that I was quite chocolate the ja.

I can relate with youtand I understand everybody. So he was in that commercial.

So I got to meet the guys like Jerry Erasmasney, Jerry Rasney, so you know what I'm saying. So guys like that was taking care of me before there was an internet. So like I call him my brother. He was in Above the Rim with Tupac, so I was on a set every day. I was on a set for like eleven days in a row with Park when they were shooting Above the Rim and all that, just hanging out, bullshitt around and rebox pretty much fastered that

I just love kicks.

I was running around with clock for years when Clark was coming to Club Thatsos. I didn't really know there was a sneaker thing with Clark like that, I knew I love sneakers. I was riding around in the Toyota four Runner with somebody's in a chick's name from Windy's.

You know what I'm saying. When I had club so chick name for girls, some girls name. What I'm saying. That made what I'm saying.

So you.

Running running around like I had the flour running. I thought I was hot.

Clark pulls up in the first Yukon theinality that I've ever seen in my life. Two doors ship with the l system for a long time. You know it's crazy. And then I wound up owning the stereo shop. Years later, I bought Stay Tuned Richard.

Wait wait, wait, he said, Mike Tyson.

What Mike Tyson used to have a brim place in Fortland, New Jersey called Stay Tuned?

I bought that. It was called Audio Designs.

After that flor no no flu, I'm gona tell I'm gonna take it back.

So when Joe used to drive down here to Miami before he lived there, remember to escalated. They was getting from Martin Cadillacs with the with the motorized TVs in the back that was always breaking.

I did those, but I put the broken TV.

Remember the Cadillac. That's Remember when Joe used to come down here. You know, Joe wasn't flying back in the days. Remember Joe time with Escalat what year? Well, but when I had audio designs, it might have been I got locked up in one oh two. It might have been ninety nine, two thousand, Okay, that's when the Actually it's yeah, So I was doing his wisdom, no, because I wanted to put the years together. Now, I was doing him good at my job. I was doing his systems back.

Always forever with me.

But when I used to see clock and Essos back in ninety five ninety six, I didn't even.

Know Clark had the ill sneaker collection. Like that.

We was just vibbing on cars and then him coming to him coming to Man Wednesdays, Maria Davids getting drunk every night, and then Jay doing the whole ship and Jay and them used to pull up to Essos two hours before, no earlier than that, like threetown, and they would pre pay for the bottles of Christian and they would give me thirty six hundred dollars cash christ That was three hundred dollars battle.

Back then shout to the plug.

I was paying like forty.

Dollars a bottles stolen selling them for Yeah, I was getting a lot of money.

Back there, perspect The funny shit is. The funny shit is when we started doing that, they wasn't even selling Crystal right. They would have to go get the Chrystal out because we were asking for crystal.

Yeah, nah, I was crazy.

I was getting Kristal from it from the distributors, Charms, liquor, all that shit. I mean only one day, but the flash. It was the reason I fell in love with that whole rock The reason I fell in love with that whole rock movement was they never pulled their money out in the club. They would come to Essos at three

No cash on the table? How cal it said? You smart?

So that was everybody else was starting fronting and pulling their bottles out and buying eighty dollars bottles of Moet and all that bullshit. And I'm sitting there, last stop. You ain't going nowhere?

All right, clock, I'm sorry, but no cluck there seeing the begin I need to know where Clark can Okay, I gotta dj I gotta go. Okay, you don't know where Clark Kent was at when you heard the room was that jay Z and Dame Dash separated? And it will never be the same because everything that you said just now, you were speaking about the beginning, because that's what you represent. And now you're still here. We're still relevant, You're still doing what we gotta do. But god, you

You weren't.

It's crazy speaking to your saying you feel guilty. I could never feel guilty because they were. I wasn't do you know what I'm saying. So, but the funny shit was, I was sitting at my desk at Rockefeller when I found out that it just wasn't gonna be the same anymore.

And I.

I I thought to myself, Okay, they'll work it out. Listen, No, it was a part of you to say they'll work it out. Yeah, I thought it was bullshit. I thought it would go away. That's what you have to understand. As a guy who was there from before everything, I was just like that, that's corny ship. They'll figure it out. And because I knew, understand me. I was there from the beginning, and then I went to to Motown Records,

Come?

Damn, you better class them all, something better class you put them from bu you better class. I'm sorry, you wouldn't take the fish at all. Listen, being before and and and you know, making the connection between them, talking mysel, making him the connection between them and seeing what introduced them right, introduced. Did we we didn't clarify the introduction? Can we go for the introduction? How did you introduce them?

Jay Z?

Niggas? He ain't better than Big L? This was like, wow, Like, with all due respect, I think Big L is dope. I think, but I think he's dope. I think he's dope. But you saying that that my man's not better than him makes no sense to me because I listen, you know what I'm saying, So I knew how wild Kine was,

Me, you know.

So what I'm saying is I introduced them and everything was all good from day one. So when this happened, when it was like, yeah, you know, it's getting a little shaky, I was just like, they're going to fix that, and that it was eighteen years later. Yeah, I was enough years later. It was enough because it was I think I had almost done ten albums or twelve albums. It was a lot. I mean, and you have to remember, Jay ran a bunch of summers. He ran a bunch

Last year five.

I told you I'm a ard nigga. Come on, I cannot leave on it. Even you can pull my ship, absolutely beful. I'm not even looking. You tell me, you tell me where to pull away? Man, I am not even looking. Goddamn, I gotta fill mine up for that. Ain't gonna be nor where are you dja hair tonight? Ain't nobody gonna hear that ship. Somebody snap it, snap it or something, yo. Man, Damn you was mad dispectful. I thought you, my brother, I thought you was getting

Here we go.

I'm not going to the club tonight.

I got it with you. I'm all going in. O.

No, I'm not brother. You want something, you change your don't discuss how much this is. This is this all right, you gotta we're gonna go.

Know we got it right, I got you go. Let's go, Let's go. We're gonna be a jink chance.

You full for this podcast that I was.

I was gonna text the Norman water, everybody water, everybody went his wife Fiji. I'm the only one who's still straight. Is big up to survive, to survive for no.

No shout the puff because afy Aftercloll d DS and that we're going to puff out to after party.

At the party.

We're going now absolutely now not listen, I changed my flight for this. We're going to absolutely not me neither. This right here is we're going not going to the puff party.

Not you's video here just line.

Let me tell the movie, y'all.

Lie, nobody's seen the over Sparty. You've never seen the movie The overs Party. They're not doing that. They're like, we're going ship, so we are not going to So it's just how we're doing it. So are you DJing tonight? That's Sam, you're dj I'm DJing a party that we do once a month called the Originals. It's me Tony to Richmondina, stretch On, Stung and d nice. So it's probably the wildest. It's probably the best party that we that I get to do. Your nigga still be smashing

I'm just happy to be I'm just happy to be here.

You have a beard. I'm just happy to be here. Yeah, you asked man.

Absolutely, it's right next door.

You can't miss it. Yeah, I know about your man.

Yeah, yeah, me too. Where's that to ask either?

Because you have a person listen, listen, look at us, listen episode on the plane clock your No, I don't. I'm sorry. You know that's not that's any that's not anything that really speak for yourself. I'm Puerto Rican Panamanian is like Puerto Ricans like foul cousin like Clock is my foul brother. Brother. You know, I'm gonna be honest because you know why Panamani because Panamanian is like you

Like that.

That's not the reason why. No, that's not the reason. The reason why is because historically when the Panama Canal was being built. Are we getting deep? Let's break down on these dollars. Go, Jamaicans came over from to Panama to help build a canal yard mandyd mind them. My father's Jamaican. Okay, we got to talk to these people with Clark Kurt Keen jobs, not thirteen Kurt teen jobs, thirteen blood. Listen, you gotta have relax. Don't you have

Coliseum was official, was official.

But yeah unofficial here you know the flea he go to, it's very unofficial. He goes to the hotel Carol. I gotta throw that out there, Mark ca Man, the fleet market we all lived on. You gotta rely.

I sold all my mixta.

I know you racist Miami, like I mean, but sunny what I mean bys, But Sonny slaps the flea market. The old thing is Jordan's right now is official? Now, I'm like, you didn't even get it from foot locker. You got it from your lock off a lot.

It was your locker.

You gotta relax, Sonny o'clock. We answered you your favorite ever in the hip hop now what we And you also said Rick Ross's album was great. Yes, you said that this is best to me so far. I agree with you as well. But now I also said Drake's album. Did you know what you drake about Grace? But think about this, Okay, every Rick Ross album you listen to you can pick something off of it and go maybe

There there's no one's gonna be like that. We see him saying, they were.

Doing Ross service by trying to compare him to that. Let Rick Ross be Rick Ross facts, you know what I'm saying. And as Rick Ross, he's fucking bananas. Like his album is fire. It's not good, it's fire. I actually feel bad that, you know, the album came out a day before Drake's album, because it's like it didn't have the time to raise Albums are playlist? How do you feel the album. It's an album, So I don't

Get the hell out on joking.

You know, I'm gonna be honest, you'll you'll bring us to the top of the podcast world. If I was one hit one, just one hit one, one hit did Elliott Wilson before with all that you no money knew me list to be honest, that's what three sixty before you curve never curved call. But he's the o G. You got them, just like you know, everybody has stories in their head. Everybody has the No. One hit clak one one for Panama.

Was that boom boom.

You know what?

You know what, No, no, no, no, listen, here's some crazy ship. People look at that record and back then it was a Panamanian dude doing a reggae record. Guess what that reggae is? The first that is it don't don't reggae, don't got damn.

One, good.

God, damn, this is Panama.

Boom Mommy, mommy, mommy, boom boom boom, boom boom.

That relaxed to say it again. He said toom boom betoom boom Man wrong anyway? Man? Keep going?

Man?

Where a record? Where are we at? This? Make some yeah? So claw Jesus CHRISTI nuts claw you think jeez, I got a clock.

I gotta play nowhere? You've been in this this this Yeah, animal bruised roll.

So now I heard you the tweet going on where Rick Ross? You tweeted that Rick Ross album is fire fire. I saw that that tweet went viral. It did in my mind it did. But now but now Clark, what else is Clark can't like there's no school right Contrary to what a lot of people might think. Migos, I fuck with Migos, so I fuck with young thug.

You know what, no, no, no, no.

The thing is.

When you sit behind it. When you said I love that that any When you sit behind a desk, you know, he DJ parties that he got to relax. Okay, okay, listen. When you sit behind the desk, you start to look at music differently. You don't look at music just for what you personally think. You look for is it going to work whether you like it or not. It's whether it's gonna work or not. The first time I heard

Yo.

Every time, I don't even know to take Molly, listen, listen. I don't understand that there. I just want to be listen. I just want to be clear. I'm not sitting here saying these dudes are spending bars. What I'm saying is these dudes, these dudes are making records that I can actually like. And you know, trust me, there's a list of motherfuckers that I'm just like, what the fuck is going on?

But there's some dudes that get that get put in that that that.

Vein with all these other dudes that I'm looking at, like, why the fuck are you making records? And when I look at them, I'm going, well, how can you put this guy in here when his records are better? You know what I'm saying, Let's just look at his records. If he can rap, let's just look at his records. To me, you, here's where a lot of motherfuckers get shit fucked up. They look at this rap thing like it's about having bars as much as it is about

Please?

Oh my god, I'm gone your your ship, claw, this is your life. Yes it's not. This is not right, Radar. I apologize for your doing that first because it fucked you wasn't supposed to. I've been trying to get you to do this for a while in Florida. Wow, we hear all the time. We got a budget, definitely here, you should have this a budget now.

If you would have said it will flow you the.

Guy in my mind, I got a budget. We don't got it right, man? No, your budget? Yeah, yeah, because I flew myself out, so yeah, yeah, having thirty six hundred kicks, how does how do you maintain thirty six hundred sneakers?

That's that's the Never had that question ask me before, because I wear whatever's on the floor.

But I see you, I see on the internet. You got white clear box. I got the neatest.

That's my title.

You talk to Joe, you talk to wild A, you talk the Greg Screen, you talk the fat Joe Clark.

I got the neatest.

I got the neatest sneaker room in the world. But but why is it white Claire boxes? I have an abundance of sneakers. I wear my sneakers. I want to see what I want to grab. You know what I'm saying. Pause, I want to if I'm looking for pasts. I want to be able to find it, so in them boxes, I wasn't gonna be able to find all that. And I really I don't sell sneakers. I don't resell sneakers. If I wanted to resell my sneakers, I got a million dollar sitting right there in my room. You have,

So like I wanted to see if I want to grab a pair of sneakers from two thousand and three, I'm gonna go look for that pair of sneakers now, because.

I've seen your ship, like you had rolls. My ship looked like a looking and nine hundred square feet and the crazy ship.

I know you.

I know you from seeing on the street. So when I seen it on the end ofne I was like, damn, I never knew yo, you had every sneak however you had. I got undefeated for you. What's the ship, Michael J. Fox ship?

Yeah, yeah, I got the Marty m clowns. I got to.

It's not sneaker was not sneakers movie props. I was like, this is this is when me and Clark argue and we go at it from baga. I would love to see that.

It's a real argument sometimes like this. I believe there's a sneaker coacher, Claud doesn't.

I believe there's okay okay, and we're gonna let Clark go.

Only Clark invest because I said, I want to investigate this before we dive into it. You said you believe there's a sneak of culture and Clark said he does not.

Leave because Clark is gonna bring I can't answer for Clark, but I know where Clock is going with it because we had this argument you a million times.

Just stink of culture. You are gods, and we really argue our posters, We really argue about this. I'm part of sneaker culture. I'm like a pond. I'm very lower in the steaker culture. I go to the Means.

Listen.

Your Jordan's segment was brought up everywhere in the world. I'm a listening to the podcast, so I don't want to hear that you off.

Oh yeah, I did ship on Jordan, but I also heard this. I kept raising I kept wearing him, so that lets you know I hate that. No, no, no, I respect he is gonna say some ship and then boycott. I still want you.

You know, you don't believe that we can argue about it because you're my brother and I love you, so don't believe.

I can't believe what he's saying. Right now, I'm just throwing it out there. You saying it's not a sneak of culture, nor yes, how many five percenters?

You know?

You gotta relax. I know at least he's have one hundred people. You know what's crazy? I can say it's without even looking at him. When he was growing up, at one point he was about to be five percent. I was given to ask you people, father a law when I was younger. Right, skip back when you look at that, and then you go, what's it really based off? It's based off of Islam? What is Islam? A culture? Right? Yep?

You know you said culture.

Hip hop is a way of life.

It's a coach, Jimmy.

The same as finance. Everything Their money is finance. But everything you said, everything you said, understand me money because I.

Believe there is a culture in the state.

Okay, they show it to me. I mean, I don't have the same definitions of you. I'm not saying, but there is.

But there's a way of life. But their subdivisions, the medical.

Hold on. Listen to what I'm saying. He holds understand I hosted, But listen to what I'm saying to you. If you say culture, you would be wrong. If you said subculture, we'd have a conversation.

Is going to bring it back just the religion puts up seventeen When one DC puts up his and tells everybody to put up their shelters and there's seventeen thousand people are putting their shell toes, he's gonna he's gonna attribute that to hip hop culture.

I'm not going to attribute that to hip hop culture. What I'm going to say is, can you tell me when run DMC made that record which Nigga wasn't wearing to d this? Think about this? Why can you say put everybody put your Adidas up when you when you're on the stage, if niggas wasn't wearing a deal. So you're saying so the sneaker culture is a subculture of hip hop. No, sniggers culture is a subcultured period. It's

Know, it's a byproduct of fashions, which it about.

It's a fashion, which isn't a culture. It's fashion and ship you wear.

It can't be a subculture. It's exactly.

So we're getting back to the same thing.

I'm a great I disagree too. Okay, it's a culture.

Okay, showing to the Niggers is a culture. But you have your how many can't hold no, no, no, no, no, no, no no no, don't do this? Why because y'are god? That's it?

Hold on, now, know how many sneaker shows we do when he's fifteen and sixteen year old. Seventy year old kids don't know you from nothing from music, but they praise the ground you walk on because of sneakers.

Answer yourself. You can answer that yourself. Why do they I'm asking you, you can't, dude, I created sneakers. I designed sneakers. I'm a guy.

Who is looking at and that's a culture to them because they don't know that you discovered Jay. They don't know that you were saying jazz o was the best in the world. They don't know that you signed Doze effects. They don't know that because you look at making them to do effects.

You know what I'm saying. He's trying, But.

I'm right, But your definition of culture, like if I was going psyclopedia culture, what the way you define it is that it is the definition of culture, because that's.

The only way we can define him what we're talking about. Okay, So then I guess we open a dictionary, put.

The generations to cultures. Don't know who you are from music, they know who you are. No dictionaries d we make.

We make all dictionary. He's the I mean, okay, I'm gonna keep this funky. Im what I understand.

I'm taking I wanted to do that a long time.

I understand what I understand to be culture from being one who has who's a spiritual person, So I learned it from a spiritual place. So if I learned it from a spiritual place, I can only look at what I understand to be culture in a spiritual place. So with that alone, huh, he said, you're right, culture.

Pulled up the definition of culture. I hate all of y'all.

I gotta relate right right, Read it again, Read it again.

Culture the arts and other manifestations of human intellectual achievement regarded collectively. So these kids that don't know that you collect, these kids collected don't know that you hold, don't know you from sneakers. That is a culture to.

Your I am not looking at what you said and reading it properly. Read it.

Read it again.

Okay, I'm not even drunk. I am drunk.

The arts of other manifestations of human intellectual achievement regarding collective pull.

On human intellectual achievement. Where when that goes back to English, stop read what you read and explained it, because you're not explaining it. It's so simple. They read it to you.

Look how my brother just called me a dumb How many people?

How many people? You're going what I did?

To understand what you just read? You have to you have to read it yourselves.

The arts and.

The arts and other manifestations of human intellectual stop right there and stopping the arts and what and other manifestations of human intellectual achievement regarded collective hold on collectively.

Human intellectual achievements and just for the joint. Wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait, let's take let's take a hold up.

Let's take a few steps back. What are sneakers? Shoes? Right? Shoes are something you wear right to protect your feet from the elements?

Right?

Okay, cool? Where is the what was it again? Okay?

Cool, I'm done here.

You read it yourself, you can't just got very professional just shoes?

Did you hold up? Your reason for love of shoes? And your reason for doing this is because they protect your feet? Because we're talking about.

The bottom.

He just let me justinition that I just read. You would be wrong even no.

I would be all right this intelection, I would be right.

You'll just prove theetionhips. But when you go intellect, you gotta go intellect on different levels.

Seventeen year olds. I'm not gonna have my forty four year old. No no, no, no, no no, eat it again. You're gonna be wrong again. Oh my god, Jesus Christ fucking read this ship. Why are we doing this on the podcast? That's what we're gonna do. By that, I'm not losing. I don't holdo holda wait, wait, wait for the site becomes wait wait wait a personal thinking. I mean I just want to read No no, no, no, no what I just walked back with him off of what you read?

Did he lose this?

Off the human intellectional bo? See how sinking is you?

Very fucking much?

But what does that mean? Just define that?

No, I'm saying you'll disagree with me.

Hello, I'm not saying this. As I listen, everything that you're gonna get that human and that's intellectual, is going to make you smarter, right, So the shoe's not gonna make smart. It's fucking shoes, yo, that's what it's shoes. So whack I love you?

Then, yeah, I can't argue.

I love you.

Understand me?

Yes? Yea swear to God like this is real nigga ship.

So we're gonna have.

We're gonna have such an Instagram and Twitter war between.

This and with and with all due respects, listen, talk to our people. There are people hate has That's why you want ashtag hate. That's why you wanted to come so bad.

Pause and pause, Paul, pause, that's why you wanted to be here so bad.

No, no, because I get tired of you saying this is not a culture.

And it's a question. You get tired of what I'm saying because we all be about this. That's what I'm saying. I don't even get that. But but back to what I'm saying is there are people who are more enthusiastically into shoes than usual black and I'm one of those guys who's enthusiastic, more enthusiastic than usual. I don't believe that I'm I'm superhero because I like shoes more than the next guy. You know why, Because I don't know a person who doesn't have a pair of sneakers.

So what do you tell that young kid?

No, no, no, what do you tell that young kid that doesn't know What do you tell that young kid who doesn't know who you are based on music?

Who loves you for sneakers? And goes to your sneaker convention.

Am I supposed to tell him you're their hero, you're their idol.

And I don't tell them anything wrong I tell them, but to them, you're the culture of sneakers. To them, you're the culture. We just experienced that in Nike town. Just now, my nigga. I've walked out and they was taking pictures. But then they still didn't talk to you. Dude started talking to you about sneakers and then started rapping to you.

You are his life. Wait, wait on, im a wrong, you're his life? A guy who's guy who started rapping to me didn't talk to me about sneakers at all. You know what he was like, He was like, Oh, that's a niggluck. Can't nigga might put me on if he thinks.

I'm nice, So I just cannot rap for you.

He didn't speak to me about sneakers at all.

He about sneakers.

Well that's you, dog, you know why, because you're a sneaker fucking superhero.

But we're together because we're friends.

We're not together because of sneak. Absolutely don't even talk. We don't even talk.

About we don't talk about some angry sneakers.

So my question, you know what I'm saying.

This is my brother for twenty five years. We really understand love.

About right now, we really talking about right now. I don't even understand what I was talking about sneaking.

I love because we're here for you.

On a text. I know you did.

I show your fire me and you know, let's go.

No, that's a choice tattoo.

Right.

Wait, you know what you just said. Say it again? People people say no, no, no, no. People think it's a coach. Say that that's the truth. What way, kid, you don't think sneaker. I think there are some people who are more enthusiastic about sneakers than others. I'm one of those guys. Hockey. That's not a hobby, No way, no, listen. I just want to get myself out of the clitic my ship is and I've proven it. I just want to be fresh. That's it. My sneakers get dirty, I

Boy for me being back a little bit back in, we gotta stop.

We gotta stop because because people were thinking I'm really serious, it said, Joe for a that for yo e fn our one year anniversary brother, we did some crazy ship. We started off our first episode with Kenny Anderson and Fat Jobs.

It was the first one that he between that but first one.

Saying I can say Jos because I love I know Chipper. Do you last? Did you call him chairs? Believe it? Call him chipper? You call him. I don't call him chips. You call Himchipp. I called him Chipper. Yeah, I called him chill. But left Breck City Queens for us to have do I know the way? How do I know that? Because you because I used to around but let your real left.

Right now, he's funny because he used to DJ and Clark Park in the Bronx.

Hold hol on, you got put off, he said, because I'm a real left Breck. That's what I I'm gonna get your Bronx claim too. I used to be all over. Let's get it. Come on, now, let's go where we at? So now, oh boy, before we get upbout it. Oh so this is the last one. No, he's just he's a little You also worked with Foxy Brown Little Kim Right, wait, who's your cousin? Fox Foxy anger and he knows that. Don't let him act like you don't know that. So you also work with both. I never made a record

Like?

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But I wasn't leaving.

Let me guess what I was on wheels in the in our department. We did Audio two. We didn't like yo yo. We did Michelle A. We did the facts. We didn't vote. Uh take a little shot for that.

We need another shot for that one set uproah, we're gonna take.

A light shot.

Almost give me. That's not like like, give me a light shot. I'm your brother now, Bob. That's it. That's it. Let me ask you and there's no disrespect, right. And you talked about the dose effects came with the album.

How much did you have to an r that album?

Well, you have to after after, after you get an album, you have to know when it's right to drop it. What's the best record? Did you shave records off? No? No, it's not about shaving records. Office about picking the best records that go single. So pickings. They want you DJ. When you look at DJ, it was crazy. Honestly, in my heart, I believe DJs who I'm sorry. I believe DJs can make the best an arsts. And the reason why is because good DJs can teach you about a

Disagree with it?

It works? Okay?

It's a dream Champs language.

You see, you have brands that are super duper popular and they're still on the ground level, and they're still like you know they're still like gritty and Street. You got the Black Scales, you got the Supremes and such. You go over to Japan. Lafayette is one of those brands. Lafayette's a brand with for like six stores or whatever and selling a bunch of shit. And I've done at least, yeah, five collabs with them at least. So Supreme is from Japan.

I need that.

Listen you tell your needs that I need the gate the I didn't want to no inventory. Did I say that I need that? Definitely? Tell me get one of those storm you got somewhere again, somewhere in my in my life, in your mind. You got me my life, my life, so clok. You work the big You work with Jack, Yes, you work with work with un I didn't have the opportunity I wanted to to funny Ship. Is the day that I explained to him about the about that thing we was on that on the revote crew.

Guess what I'm going to do. I'm going to seek work and I'm gonna buy you to Guess what I.

Do right now? That's what I'm doing right now. You're working. You'll be done in like ten minutes. But he's gonna go see you afterwards. I'm going to see you, but you'll be hanging while I'm working. But I gotta also keep my life together because you know what I'm trying to keep my mind to. So I'm very typical moment with a very typical moment. Yeah, we gotta we gotta control. We gotta control our environment, and then we gotta you know, we gotta do clock. We have to behave ourselves. There's

I'm not going to say.

You a question. Let's go, but listen, and we're doing it in the name of him. Your clock. You know, we never had no fake to go on Drink Champs. Tony people on Drink Champs. You know why every episode in because you know why we really want to big up authentic of original hip hop and what is saying on your fucking hat the originals? You get ready, you want to you know, let's do it. You can't not want I go in.

I'm in with you.

That my brother light skin a light skin show before gona hurt my stomach. That's a shot my brother.

That's what I know.

You felt bad doing it, you know, he was like I know as as I called you, was like, all right, know what you're calling him for. I was, but I didn't feel bad because you curved me. I never curved you. You did. I was gonna be honest. I swear to god, I'm gonna go back. Let me tell you something about sober people. It's on Twitter document one hundred percent. I'm gonna go back and I'm gonna show it to him,

Let's take this shot, not a good little.

That's good that this is when I that's terribly good. It's too good. I love rock the best vocat of the planet.

Know that that is so funny Because I wanted this podcast happen so bad.

I text you, you know he got thirty six hundred sniggers. What one? Just one?

Besides you were.

Regular? Everything else, I'm gonna do that. You got one right now?

These acronym nikes.

Do you see.

Acronym Nike. I'm gonna do this, dude.

You gotta hook up. Clark got the hook up, but I'm dirty. Got the hook up on the club. Whatever the fuck that's going?

That's me fort dumb hord that regular, like Yo, Clock is gonna be in Miami this weekend?

What's up? I want?

I was ready.

I was ready, we were host.

I was ready. We saw and ready.

I was on. It don't work out that way. I texted you, I don't have I don't have a bob normal.

I text Norman, check this out.

Clock is gonna be in Miami this weekend. What's up?

I wanted to make this happens this Fiji from a different Yes, that's e Waters right, it's not even cool.

This is Fucci.

It's not even cold. This flats bottom water?

Yo? But who was that for?

For you and me?

I was gonna I thought we were making drinks. I didn't know like we're gonna make like a my hat. Oh you I'll take a drink with your your clock. Let me ask you a question. Why you're getting bottled water to put tap water ice in it? All cool?

I don't even know you from the South of Yeah, what would you do that for?

You? Just you just rolled my own water experience, you know, you know from the resource rooms. You know that niggas in the resource rooms and especial education. That's that's the one I am. I'm that nigga. I have four teachers and four students. It was even.

We were both going you said four, and he said, we're both with.

Even tell me, I'm the most in the world.

You're the smartness.

That's why they wanted to killed me. Listen, I'm just John. They're gonna John Left killing me meaning under saying listen, they're gonna let you live because they're like, that's his man. I feel like they're gonna kill me. I got you on meaning it was more than it was. He said, you said four four, and then he was like, both of them. I'm like, who the fuck are you talking about? Both groups exactly? We're talking about both groups. I got to see I got what you was talking about. Don John,

That was the funniest shit ever.

Claw you did drink champs, you survived. Never sprung about any of their personal ship. I know a lot. Get them relax and you're looking at me and your lips are getting little white. That's how I know. I'm so glad there's a camera because they could know that my lips ain't getting white. No, in my mind, your lift scout what personally you can't ask me ship that. I can't be real loud. You've been there for me. But when I stepped into this game, I love you. You

And you was the only one he said when he told you to relax, you had the two five in your pocket.

In the booth, they had two five all the time. I know now he's rocking. He's like, hold, don't he tells him that clocks. He was the only one and he told me, he said, listen, I'm gonna take the rhym and I'm gonna chop it up. And that's the first time I've ever seen that in my life, that I could actually rhyme and get it all out and one one whatever. But he could take that and say relax, dance and order some pluck you. So after after that advice, you kept doing that that way. Listen to his records

Listen when you DJ, ain't nobody's gonna see your right thigh. Nobody's gonna see your right thig. When your DJ, he's gone ship right. It wasn't me open that ship up.

Got that.

I'm good. I'm not. I'm good. You ain't gotta I'm so hot, right, you gotta last? I love thank you. I'm saying it was really really nice. No, God, listen to listen to me, everybody. It was really one of the first producers who actually pulled me to the side and said, Slim, I understand what you're doing. I get it, but let me structure your ship. And it was you too. A lot of people credit you know, for Real or Swiss, but they came in our album That's Dope to hit us.

But you were still learning because one of one of the stories, no I'm gonna tell you, I'm still learn I know.

But one of the stories that I love from an R is that you say.

That you was counting bars with what what?

What what? And that's what I love that. I love that story. No, that's how I counted balls. But think about it.

So claud get executive producing credit for that.

Absolutely, No, he's not going to give that up because he's not gonna look for that check to go. Come me for that. But the bottom line, I get what you're trying to say. You're trying to say is that moment gave you the ability to look at your songs differently and and and think songs instead of thinking I'm just gonna be rhyming. I get it. Yeah, I get it. I respect it. And because think about it, after the war report what happened?

What?

What? What?

What?

What?

How? Long after every sixteen bars? Sixteen bars?

What? What? What?

Sixteen bars? Well? What what that was the same sixteen bar breakup that I I don't like to say taught. I'd rather say I can't talk about it. I say, now you know why because I don't. I don't believe that.

You have to have that's the sec way. You ain't going away, Pa, you ain't.

Going I got you, brother Clark, can't tell him if you don't make the d D show. I got you. I don't worry about the good.

Never.

I won't even touch it. Every thrusting to give me back. So it's getting closer, it's getting closer. Never gonna happen. So in my mind, damn Dan, Dan said Clark kiss coming because I was the biggest day of the day Slick Rick fans in the world me and mention the Slick is my favorite album. It's my favorite album ever. And then Yo, Clark coming to and I know it's name. I'm like, so every producer that ever came from the workfort like I wanted to shoot them. So you're answered

Looking at me at coming there.

So I felt like that. I felt like I felt like what when Clark came in? Clark came was like but it felt like an og type of call. I felt like, yo, look do that. I get that you got because he played the beat and I was just like, let's go because that's what I did. Oh the firm ship what's the firm ship? Man on the next plane? I did as soon as I flu flew fluid and I used to write around in jail, so I had all wait up the timeline for me.

At what point you did?

I'm leaving and I'm leaving right after the war reports, right after the war report, after the war report, like not war report is out, like right after you finish the wordpot is out.

Okay, okay, so it's out and then.

You go do that okay, No, No, I know, I'm just nous.

You know what.

The crazy The.

Crazy part is is hot or No is hot by himself because his pone is locked up.

So he on the promo run in Miami.

That's what we meant. I'm just saying that that's.

How we want, that's how we meet. The promo run in Miami, isl he's.

War He comes to my store, and I don't know if he's ever told you this. He was super stressed promoting War Report by himself.

No fact I saw in my store super stressed.

Wait, why would I know that? And he's not my artist because he's my fucking so I know it wasn't easy promoting CNN went only the end is there and then the sea can't speak for the sea and the way. So trust me, I don't even know like if in his heart he really wanted to be nor by himself, you know what I'm saying. I don't ever think that was trust me. When the first time I saw it, I was like, that's because Copone is locked up. He don't want to do a solo record. It's just that

We could jump during the show came No, we still we still have to go to the day to day.

You're not leaving. You talk nothing about day to day. Man, I'm here, I'm not drunk.

I don't know how I'm not drunk yet. But have a shot.

Let's do it. Shot. We can do another politics, all three talk. It's a table thing. No, I'm gonna ship God, trust me. I'll leave here.

It's definitely penalty.

I might be a drink. He listen, you put my shot whatever way, hand met hand your cup?

I want to put so what that Tony tells these ends of the twenty minutes rich Tony and d Night can take twenty minutes extra d Night.

It was one of the show the d Knights who I love, who came to me told me how to do a show. Here you go, brother, you you let me four o clocks? Hold on, where's your cup? Clock?

You told me how to do a show.

You respect. Imagine right now, even when I was troking weed and he was like, I hate that you always hung out with me the clock kid, Tonight, We're gonna fucking respect you. Thank you, you man, and we're gonna honor you the night Clock. And sorry that maybe the US a Jersey accident. It's not a us A. He's very offended. This is this is the also hip hop are mind? And you know what, you are one of the most.

DJs that we You're the most DJs, the.

One of the the most dj ever whatever that means.

You have those DJs. I actually liked it, I know.

But you're coming at me a little bit. You're the most sunless the clock. We're gonna honor you, will continue to fucking honor you because you know why, why you fucking deserve Thank you. I appreciate it, and I don't know what I'm about to salute with you. A bonga get your shot.

I'm pulling you a heavy shot. Let's go, you get you get the yeah pink bong.

I listened every week. I listened, listen, face peel like my baby on the body.

Fuck it, let's go.

I am not going to the couple that I am so happy. That's all. That's all him, that's all. That's all. That's all clock shouting, shout the mayor, the poor.

Oh man claw.

I'm gonna be destroyed by the time.

You know you're gonna You're gonna ask records, what is the Brest brand?

The brush sneaking, It's the best sneaker brand. That's night. I gotta up.

I like that.

What's what's the best brand? Like the brand? I like that? Uh ad, that's you. That's a that's a send me some ship.

But I get it.

I'm gonna be honest. I'm going I'm going to question and know how I need that, my brother.

Listen, hold hold on, let me interject real quick, gious, what's that you are you having to make a conversation.

I don't make a conversation. What's you I'm telling you?

No, no, no, I forgot see it. Just hit me with I'm not drunk you No, no, no, hold on, brother, you got the Pharrel plug. That's the real Adida plug. I need that shout to push the to who's my man and the man you have the pharl plug? That means you got the human racist with the Japanese writing on them. No, I'm calling you out right now. No, no, no, no, I need no no listen, let's listen in your interview right now.

Feedback. I need you sounds like I want to that. I no, no, I'm not pausing. I need you. No respect you.

There's no pausing in it.

Here's the problem with the problem was with Puerto Rican. You Puerto Rican black, Puerto Rican Italian. Puerto Rican didn't pay attention N and I don't then N, I did not pay. You don't speak no, God damn forget Italian.

Speak to me Italian. I know you got pro run on speed dial.

I need you. No, No, I'm not pausing plugs. I'm too old for that pouls ship right now. I need you, brother, to.

Go on.

There's no relax. I need you.

I need that.

No, I did not. I didn't. Now you know you know it's real.

You have the plug.

See this, this is this is ship that rappers don't understand.

That really got the road, You really got cheat codes. I need you, brother, So listen.

He told me my package is gonna arrivee in.

Gee Christ.

Where the funk are we? Right?

Weird hazardous sounds and I need to plug chill.

You're gonna DJ and a little why you're gonna accidentally scratch like nine records because you're halfway through a bottle of patron Hold listen, I.

Just want to get things slipped you. We're gonna go past my hotel and I'm there. You feed you top weight. I said you would have dropped me to the hotel.

If mister Lee is busy, I got you, Uper excel, I got you, you got your Trump, whatever you want, I got you.

Listen.

Why can't I just say it? Let's listen killing me? You know right now, I don't care about your ride back to the hotel. I care about no real Farrell DJ. Can't you care about I can't.

It's my hero right now. And the packages be packages whatever you want to call it. You know, we don't even want to talk about this because he said they don't even want to talk about this. You're talking about the text messages will be so extra.

No, the Texas will be so extra tonight.

I need you. I leave, I leave. I'll leave it to uh the Niggers. I love you.

He just called you a Bronx snake.

Hold on, don't bronx nake. I heard brons that's what you're gonna ever hear my drunk drunk drunk, got drunk. Her brother rewinded me everybody else that ship. I'm gonna hit it. I hit it, okay exactly. This clock contact is really high. I'm fucked up right now. Your clock can't the mayor ball the mayor all sneakers to the thirty seven.

Eight hundred thirty seven is an amazing number.

That's a great job.

But I agree to that number. You're killing the game play.

You fucking ill be. I want to respect.

Currency changes from culture because because he's smart, he's smart like that.

To everybody's ideology.

Here, wait a minute, he's good.

It's good.

Relax, you know, Medal, that's his act. Keep going with the act, buddy, you got to relax. But listen, let's take another shot. I let's go the you're just talking about about what about it that I'm drunk? What about With all due respect, I'm not drinking. I don't give a funk what y'all say. Drinking one much from Brooklyn?

You know you can tell me you got to relax the Brooklyn I mean, I don't think. I don't think drink with your brother, your brother ploral were ship worked in the nineties. You want to know what's crazy from Brooklyn? Like like peer pressure on funk with me. I never forgot pears, like say, you know what's I'm not even lessen.

I'm just pulling a clock shot.

And you're gonna lose. B I'm not drinking any guys biting each other? Do you want to bite.

Glass?

Yeah? You what's really good? Big, We're good. You know that I love you to the left out.

You don't love you no more ever love each other, everybody, Harward, let's go, let's go. Come your glass right there, Bama, not gonna take it easy. You sitting the scratch now.

Let's all do expect. This is a motherfucker who has nothing to do right now.

Make him Jay, I changed my flight with you.

Let's go listen. Check this out. You're my brother, a fake that.

You're worry If I don't get a podcast behind this ship, I'm gonna be a little I'm.

Reading back.

Somebody.

Hold y'all, Hold y'all, I really ever on that listen. I know you're a little funked up, but remember this podcast was legends. I was a part of this. We're doing it checking the simber guy over here. That's right.

Yeah, No, I'm gonna call you club really last punk.

You're out, Clark.

You miss what I said? Joey? What about Joey? What do you think? Shout the established that style tea record this crazy bike around his as that that's I ain't got nothing bad to say about Joey bart Brooklyn. Is he from Flappers? I think yeah, maybe is it flap? I think he's from Flappers. She's only bad asking. He got a joint with j Cole and he got a joint with stous Peak.

Both of them ships his legend shout the static selected them ships is legend.

That's a producible. I don't know if he produced him or not. He produced stous joint. I know that Joy's dope. Where are you going with this? I'll just asking you heard about Cushing?

What what you said? I'm your business partner right.

Now, and I definitely just my questions. Okay, now's next. And that was like I don't speak.

He said, if I do the club, I'm gonna break somebody's jaw. I promise you, you're break the job.

Promise you hearing, I said, Michael, I said, we got you the air conditioner.

I keep it one with all due respect, you did not get us the air conditioner. They got you the air conditioner. Move the ship over here. I'm not there. It's amazing. If I every way, it would be dry right now. I got that flock.

Listen, you know what awesome. Gu I'm good I'm not gonna make it the puff party tonight. I'm going to your we go to all parties, all party.

I'm not going I got your word one party, ain't you?

I got your Come on, there's no word. I'll tell you everywhere the six Just.

What are we at? Where we at right now? Day to day? I ain't forget day to day. Let's looking some more fast man? Sooners got there stories?

Why why not.

Anything about.

Day?

My guy?

How did that happen?

It happened because I was DJing at a talent show at Washington or in high school and those record that just dropped and he came to the school and he was going to perform for the crowd, and he asked me if I could drop the record, And the way that I dropped the record made him say, Yo, you know that that was perfect? Do you think you could like do that for me at another at another place? Pause a little little sexpect right there, But anyway, he asked me if I could you know DJ form at

It's your show. I got to ship ship.

There was no no, no, I ask nothing interview. I'm an interviewer. So there was a point in life.

Talk about when you when you told the world that jay Z was the best MC ever. You told Grand Master Kaz that Yeah, and if I'm not mistake, you told me that too.

I didn't necessarily tell them both because I was trying to tell them. What I did was I said at the New Music Seminar, while the MC battle was going on, is that a Jack the Rapper thingland New Music Seminar. Jay was with me and I turned and I said to him, by the way, this is the best MC in the world. Then we kept going with the m C battling. By that at the time of the by the time the battle was over, Grand Masters and Mellie

That's why I brought this up.

So he says, Nigga, what the fuck is you talking about? And Mel was like, nigga, you see me staying there, like, how the fuck are you just gonna say some crazy ship like that? And you have to understand, like, these are guys that I have respect for, and I look at like, nah, you guys are the forefront of the culture. Think about this. If there's no message, there's no gangster rap. There's a lot of things no no, no, no, no,

Fact might have been called reality reality, but all is reality right right right right.

So my thing is, if you don't hear this first reality rap record, do you ever get to CNN ever? Do you ever get to n w A, Do you ever get to Schoolly D?

No?

You don't the first reality rap record that that you can know that broke through and made it.

They did white lines to right.

Yeah, but that was after the message No, no, no, no, it's not that lineage don't matter. What matters is the message was made. People heard a child that ship this guy.

No, no, no no.

The bottom line is on a record, you heard pretty lady living in a bag. You know what I'm saying. You heard may tag, You heard all kinds of crazy shit on this one record that wasn't Yeah, We're gonna go to the party, were gonna botlems, We're gonna get drunk and we're gonna have a party, because every record before that was that until Melly Mellan Duke Booty made

After after you told him Jay was the best ever, what's going to be the best ever? How long after did they sit there and tell you that they.

Agree with you? Oh? Maybe about about three years later. There was a there was a Zulu There was a Zulu anniversary conference, and the Bronx I was actually in Manhattan and Grandmaster Kas had a table in it where he was selling Grand h all of like like Grandmaster Cads had a table full of tapes of Phyllis, Phyllis four, Fantastic five, Furious five, Current Cat for sim C's Cold Crush Brothers. He had this table where he was selling actual cassette copies of the old school jams that were

And he was like, Yo, let me talk to you.

And I'm like shit. So we go over to the side. He was like, Yo, I just want to tell you something. Man. He was right about jay Z. And I was like shit. So everything I was trying to tell y'all, tell y'all, like, dude, is like really that deal? Like nobody would listen to me and understand me. Like jay Z had come out second album, were rocking, nobody could tell me anything. You say what you want to say, feel how you want

We was in the studio, we were at I never heard that he knew he was dope.

One was making a record called five Boroughs and he was like, yeah, I'm gonna put the Dots effects Dots effects on it. I was like, yo, you sho, you should put jay Z on it. He was like why and I was like what, Like what the fuck are you talking about? Like I said, dog, jay Z is that nigga?

Like?

He was like, I don't know what you see clock And I was like, you from Brooklyn. Yeah, understand me. He was making a record called five Rows, so it would have been somebody from Brooklyn, you know, standing down in Queen's line. You know what I'm saying. He chose Dos and I was looking at him like, dog, I'm not mad at you choosing Dos because they're from Brooklyn, so I'm not mad period, but dog, like jay Z is an inferno, like you might want to use it. He was like why, I don't get it? And I

I like that.

Man, you don't know what you was talking about? Do you will tell them what that? Tell him?

Just tell him, no, just tell him.

Fuck. I'm like, fuck my nigga, Yeah, fuck, can't there's anything better? Then we keep continue to praise and respect and your presence has rung us to the drink champs. And we love you. We love everything you represent. You love everything you had a part to be a part of. And you are you doing? Yo? Come on, guys, guy.

Talk over here.

Man. You love everything that Clark Kent is a part of the work. Clark Kent, He's sitting here like a red devil blood God the fuck are you talking about right now? You know you're in the gang world, yo. I guess because I would like to say Norway, thanks for having me, Maya, thanks for for for for Convict and EFN you know you, my nigga. I don't know what the funck he is talking about right now? What gangs like? Thank you for having me? You went to the.

House then put your album?

Can't thank you for being here? You want a blame Chancellor, m me, you wanted to work. Verse very first people who sat down with me and told me relas so you had to make a record six hundred balls. Wait, y'all need to do a record together. Now you got ala ship the work. Let's have that happened, like I love that's we're doing it already. All right then I'm a fucking prophet. You gotta relax. I don't be honest, I don't cigarette. I'm no a no talk. I'm not

Was to thank you for having it one year anniversary. I'm advisity nice, Okay, thank you so much. I appreciate you.

Listen, I just want to say thank you for having me here. And it's an honor to be your one year anniversary guests.

Let's take let's take a shout to that no shot.

Up yo. Let you know, lets you know you're from the Brolet's mind, you know what's just no, no, no, I officially ain't ship for real. No, you really take this, y'all have taken not taking a shot y'all, ain't you gotta ship? Cluck. You gotta walk away from just take want we gotta take pictures. Then you gotta take pictures.

Do this.

We're gonna take pictures that you want. I'm not taking make some mo clock came away. Let that go, Let that go, Let that go, yes, sir, let that go

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