#Throwback Episode - w/ Dave Mays & Benzino | (Ep. 10)

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I'm so excited, not because these people are my friends, but before these people are my friends.

I knew who they were doing. I seen what they were doing.

They are the people who edited, who architected the magazine business. Everybody big for their blueprint. After they made it, they tried to recreate it. These guys has been down for twenty years. Also, these guys have been doing it. Wemed it. If you've got four mics, you went gold instantly and your ship was called the Classic. If you got five mics, you probably went platinum instantly. But your ship was called the Classic Round days. We don't have no type of

Is good and you might work it. This is not back in the days. Back in the days, it was hard.

Back in the days, you had to hit chickling circuit.

Back in the days, you had to do what you had to do.

And if you had to get on this magazine, you had to be privileged to be on this magazine. No knuckernuts, the nuts was making this magazine right now.

We're talking about the co owner, the founders.

Excuse me, let me correct, no coding, the founders of the soft magazine right now in the house. We got Dave make Zino makes something. I want to get straight to the points. You know, one day, me and you and joh Rul was on the phone.

But you gotta let them know we do this on a regular No.

Me and John Rul, we all like the three amigo. We like we're like the first take of hip hop, right we we we we were going at it. Yeah, yeah, I mean me, me, me, j Roul and I said, like Ja Rul said, He said, I don't give a funk about the mic system, right, You remember he said that?

And I said, that's course you only got three mics. You remember that.

But but but I always got four mics. I always love the mic system. The mic system is will help make my career.

Just make some noise for that. Hold on, let's make them what you told me though, the first time you call me, you called.

Me a backpack wrapper. First of all, I cared about.

The thought he said that you thought that I was the one that didn't give you four and a half. And I'm gonna let it be known right now, right here, right here, all right, and this is this is like, we have no reason to lie. I can't do that as much as I wanted to, but because you know what I'm saying, you know, come on, I'm saying, so you told me that you thought I was the one that was that I thought anything.

I thought at one point that if the sauce anything that was bad than the sauce, I thought that you had something to do with the bad part.

And I thought, Dave, what you thought that I rated the mic system? I thought that you.

Rated the mic system. I thought that any bad article I.

Thought it was the Angelist straight for all artists because said the same thing.

You know what I'm saying the first time I met him. A few like, yeah, I never ever hate machine by the way I hate I never.

Ever ever ever gave anybody Mike. But set now I'm gonna get into it. No, No, I'm just saying, other than the situation that happened with you know what I'm saying, the source myself and eminem. You know what I'm saying, that was the only time the mic system like I kind of I kind of put my authority.

But even way by wait, that's that's that's all.

The other one hundred and ninety covers and Mike's and everything, I never had nothing to do with it, Like that's a back room meeting of editors and people up there. And I never was once ever in any of those meetings.

But even still though, you know, but even still to this day, do you not realize how important the bike system was.

I mean, I remember you was telling me like, yeah, like I was. I was bugging that I was explaining to you understood it, but didn't I didn't feel it like y'all did.

Wow, Wow, how about you Dave, you, you, me and you on the same page. That mics system meant a lot to the culture.

I mean, you know, we took very serious.

You know, it was something that that the staff took seriously.

You know, the authenticity of it. So you know it meant a lot.

You got some good ratings, how five, So keeping you the real meat, I had to tell y'all just because you got three MIC's job, that was your problem.

But let me play devil's advocate, right, all right, but what's the mic system of of of some people who might especially as RAPS started territorializing, meaning Houston had its own side of the Bay Area added so sign okay, if you got a bunch of people up in the office that not used to these sounds, then how then how can they really rate your ship properly? And now that's that's number one? Then number two? Right, the business side of the game. There's two sides of the source.

FN you're the label to be Child's Busy again technical no.

No, no, no no, But you're the label and you're artists, and you're paying the advertising for your artists right within the editorials hitting you off for two and a half mics within that Now what now?

Now?

Now?

What now? Now?

Now?

What do we do?

You know what I'm saying. So it wasn't always as you know, I think what it was.

You know what I'm saying. People people have different perspectives on things.

My thing is like, you know, if you got a song and you believe in it, then okay, that's great that other people that you would want other people to rate it. But when you think of again, it's just these are just human beings and people like you are to raise something to say you like it or not.

No, But I mean the times have changed. But back then, I think you got you guys?

What did they say? He was the hip hop Bible? Understood? I got it great? A compliment is that though they ultimately I mean, Dave could take that right? Did you?

Did you feel like, you know, accomplishment? People called it the hip hop Bible not I mean it felt good. But I was always striving to keep going and more bigger things. So it was like stopped just to not a source was he started?

I heard a piece of paper.

I remember my first like sauce I actually bought like I had other source magazines But the first sauce I actually bought was the mass Appeal cover. I believe that's the cover where Na's got five mics correct, massive massive. When I say mass Appeal, it was I meant a gurgle, gang star and uh dj man that was That was the issue. Google that has and Google that the computer. Let's see if that's the issue, because you know, I don't. We want to give our correct information. But that was

Correct day. Yeah, and then you're from Boston. So how did how did your first link up to you already had the sauce right there.

Or or it was something y'all came up together, Harved let's make some noise today.

Being in Harvard, you already already alad. I was on Harvard Street and I was already already.

In the street Rocksburg. That's wait. So that's why I might look make such ship's.

My first, that's my first.

But you so Harvard is in the hood. How what I'm saying?

The Harvard and the schools in Cambridge?

Okay, it's in Cambridge. I started a radio show, hip hop.

Hip hop radio show on the Harvard.

Radio Give give Dave another drink, Give him another drink.

Listen, drink Listen, ben Zeno and Dave, they are my friends. You can tell they my friends. They dugged out bottles of Armadelle. It's not a Rocky Brother no more. It is now hip Hop Weekly sponsored Holy Mocking.

These are my friends.

I'm We're gonna get to you a lot of stories thinking this a lot.

Of that, like we got family, the family. Like, excuse me for saying friends, brothers both of them. Man, that's right. So how does the Harvard guy you for I'm from Roxbury, Dorchester, Massachusetts.

How does the Harvard guy look up link up with the Roxbury Dorsters that this is great?

He was doing that, He was doing the Harvard thing. I had grouped the Almighty.

Saying Harvard like it's light, Harvid is yeah, niggas in Boston.

Harvey was just over there with the police said, and white people.

That's everywhere else. People are trying to get understand that.

Yeah, prestigious, you know what I'm saying.

Number one rap group up there in Boston. Excuse meself, Yeah.

Al might managed already feeling different. I went out to one of the shows. That's why.

Just before that, that's when we first met. I went out to one of their shows they were performing. I went out and introduced myself, treaching them, told them about my radio show. I was hosting the show Street Beat Go Go Days.

You know, come on up. I want you all to come, you know, do an interview up on my radio. So that's how we met. And then he just started he used to his leathern African thing.

Yeah, I'm not gonna lie Davis Davids the blackest white person. He's definitely everybody in the act. I don't even I've never looked at them, fella. I know that it's just as black as me. Not black. Let's make some noise with da man.

Nigga's gotta start clapping. Man. I stopped having a conversations and me watching y'all.

But then but then we ended up linking up and like, yeah, well he had a radio station. But you said that my DJ from the from the Artist Soul ended up spending on his harve two times.

Yeah, okay.

It was a station for classical music and Dave Man should get some hip hop on it. So Jeff went up there to be his DJ.

Jeff two times pick up Jeff. Okay, yeah, you know what I'm.

Saying first, and then you know what I'm saying, and then I don't want to say it then yeah.

Then then from then we just started linking up, you know, I started, I started working with his him in the group.

All right, And I'm gonna get I'm gonna direct this question towards you. Now, I know Benzino, I know how smart he is, but the average person don't see that.

How did you see his genius?

Dade? I appreciate that.

I mean, it's just always been a click from I mean from the beginning, or or was it later on? I mean, of course it grew and it evolved over time, the relationship, but there was just you know, there was just something there, you know, that's kept us together all these years.

I mean, it's definitely a respect.

I mean, he's got brothers, man, he's a he's a brilliant, brilliant person all the time, and you know.

You gotta go, you gotta come. Listen, how did you know? How did you know when you met him that this is a guy you're gonna partner up with? Like it was that the first intention, like no, hell no, Dave, Dave was just cool.

We used to go to Harvard. But what I dug about Dave was like Dave that need to be around a whole bunch of different dudes. But really was like he's from d C. So he really didn't ask for the city, you know what I'm saying. Then, you know, like when you were around one thing about racism, it breaks down a couple of things. It breaks down is crimp crime, because no matter what, it don't matter. If you connected with somebody and y'all doing some dirt, there's

First person that when you spoke to him and you said, maybe I could get out the streets. No you you wanted to get out of the streets. No, no, no, you didn't want to get out the streets.

No.

Yeah, yeah, I was wild.

I heard ourself heard.

Not just that every day, never watched he had a record, label the record.

We'll talk about that story too. You talk about thinkings, No I did.

It was ninety when that happened. We can talk about that later later.

Stay back on the pick up to Paul pis Yeah cool, now, yeah, it was cool then. Okay, what I'm saying, you know Roders want to come up here, you know he might know what she too.

She was.

I remember that. I remember that.

So let's let's let's let's talk about it made the transition to reality. But before you made the transition to reality, you didn't give a funk about telling the industry to kiss your hass. How did the.

Attitude derived like?

It wasn't, No, it wasn't. It was just different times. You know what I'm saying. Back then, you know, you know what I'm saying. It was just I don't know, you know, from Boston always kind of I always got a little reverend. I'm older, so I got a little revolution to send me, you know. Back then, Yeah, well, you know we because I mean, you know what I'm saying, because it's like you you're seeing it, You're seeing the struggle, and you're looking at things that ain't right, and you know,

You know, I did it, done that. But I'm saying as far as really giving a fuck for the betterment of our culture. You know what I'm saying about to go deep.

Look at you know, I love it. You know, get drunk.

Do you remember the time you got drunk and you left in a wheels chair. I don't drink. I don't drink. I remember, Yeah, I ain't gonna like him.

Listen, you know.

You listen. There was no snapchat, there's no Instagram. Remember, people had to actually listen to my story on what.

The niggas.

He walked to the hotel and they was like, I can't walk. They went and got him a wheelchair.

I was like, oh my god, a body and there was no everything. He was not really a drinking like a.

Drinking and he started making He started hanging out with me, even though you know, I noticed where you get when you mix.

You can't see why, you just all over the place. But but that's how they drink like they.

Money Me and Sonny. Yeah, i't go for a Dave drink like that too. Dave is a day. Let me just tell you about Dave. Listen, I've hung out with Dave, just like I hung out with you and Dave. He'd beat dropped.

He'd just be why, like you.

Niggas drink different?

Yeah, yeah, niggas is the liver boy a TRANSSEXUALI drink.

Drink any different.

I said, I said it wrong, dry sexual tried anything. Big difference difference.

So you know, let's go because you know we on the podcast. I'm still waiting for the always had to ask this question, man, did you have anything to do with that?

Miss man?

Listen, listen?

You know what I'm beyonest with you, right, It's like you know, you know, like when you when you have relationships. You know what I'm saying in the industry, male and female friends. You know what I'm saying, like your friends like.

You relationship friends, that's different friends.

I'm saying like when you when you when you're dealing with covers and magazines. It's all about when relationships with the with the artists. You know what I'm saying. With the person. You know what I'm saying, you.

Got to talk to us for he's proven he's probably Oh no, I think I answered that correctly though where you smashed?

Correct, you smashed? We can't we come on, man, that.

Class We came here.

Any WHOA this is the room on the street, because you know.

The room on the street. I got down.

Everybody wanted to respect for and my girl room with not I wouldn't even you know what I'm saying. But I'm just saying no, no, no, no, because you know you know what I'm saying. Just as as gentlemen, we don't. You know, we don't kiss and tell. You know what I'm saying, we don't. We don't as as gentlemen. You know what I'm saying.

It's just a room on the street.

There's a lot of people. You said that something. There's a lot of people who wanted to do.

But there's a rumor that you actually would what both of them? I think.

I think I think people need to make a noise for that makes a noise, even if it was.

Just a room.

Room that's not going to you met your wife is back.

In the day.

Listen, Listen, listen, listen. Let's say because I'm going I'm going straight take under.

Oh man, you.

Told me you wanted to do this.

I don't know if you made from that angle scat. I'm a media guy now, Like it's roses reverse, the roses are first, you know, Dave, you knowed to hit me with interviews and guess what I'm hitting a man. So let's you know, you know, answer what you know to be about.

Honestly, it's about relationships. It's about relationships with everybody in this business.

So who you would say is better tell them? Yeah, there'll say, so who would you say.

Is better rapping?

Rapping?

Whichever way you want to answer it, I'm being honest with you. We had both of them.

It's gonna come in time.

You got to.

So no, no, no, no, god, you not imagine nothing.

You play again?

He trying to hip hop?

We again?

You know a lot of people hip hop?

You want to do?

That was bullship?

Play a game.

If you don't want to answer the question, you're gonna take a shot.

All right, all right, but I got.

A quarter shot? What you mean that's the way you gotta go. You mean, I'm gonna ask you a certain random.

Questions if you don't want to answer to drink chat. Okay, okay, b bye? Hold on, no, no, no, no, we have to compromise that. Wait you don't know. No, let the shots be pre poored.

Agree on that.

Yeah, pre is not gonna let you a shot. We'll be dancing out this morn that's that's that's a shame.

You're my friend.

Let me get away a little bit, Let me get a little bit. So which one is better?

Oh no, no, no, no, no, I'm gonna tell you which one is better than they both?

Incredible answer, great, great ass.

That's that's how gentlemen answers on.

A little bit, man, little bit and man maybe Mike, I'm a private person when it comes to any type of situation.

Album worked five nights?

You did?

In your opinion, she.

Didn't get fine, I thought she got phone half.

No, I think I think she got she got Okay, you know what you're with the name of that, because I don't know, I know.

My and my am.

I do you think she should have got five? Drake goud? You ain't good?

I'll answering you the question.

I actually do you think she wish she should know? I'm a media guy.

Well to ask you why you pointing up on me? Like you know? Listen, listen, listen, Well, Gil, you're gonna play this game now, Okay, play this. We heard you the great fright at one point.

Yes, you was in love with.

What the.

Ft we were talking about. I'm going back. I'm going back to here shout.

I want to see if you're gonna take the shot and that and I'm moving on from me. I want to see if you take the shot. Come on, I'm gonna see if you take the shot on that first involved. First of all, this about relationships is about.

This and we don't know what it's about. I watch your podcast.

None of its none of this.

Fu all do respell? Got the revitation?

You've got you I love and I'm gonna drink to that.

If I love you or you know you drinking out there.

Drink you take the whole shot.

I want to see it.

Take the whole shot. It's going down. It's going down. So you was high?

Fine, I love it. You got yo got you got a good hit list, man, come over here, come over here. When you're hit listen, you got a brag like it's been a pad.

This is guests in the past.

Let's come on, let's thank you for getting a good sport. You know, baby, were looking at me like.

We we we we premeditated this. I'm sorry, but listen, so let's get back to that. Let's get back to right now.

We have the number one podcast right now, number one enemy his name, gonna call him the enemy. But you don't want Torect's loud to go somewhere, so listen.

You want to still shook up from the last secondly up. It's all rumors. It's all rumors.

This is all rumors. To day the drink chance none of the stories are actual facts. I'm nice, We're actually.

The hard question or no, no, let's let's keep it back.

I saw this one of our direct competition people is a guy named Elliott Wilson. That was our son.

Was employed by you?

Our son?

Where did he work for you?

All?

That? That was our son? Okay, you want to think that was our fucking son.

I don't want to tell you. Let's go, let's go exactly. Okay, So what happened?

Let's where he was the music editor. He was the music editor. What do we adopt him?

Like?

So what ya say?

What do we adopt him?

Did you say? The people who pay so give?

He was a cool guy.

So he was a cool guy. Put in his face. No no, no, no, no no no no no no no.

This was after that was way after.

David was one years. He was an assistant assistant music This is probably like ninety seven ninety.

He used to get the.

Phillies in the Dutch nat. After I remembered to get our lunch. The lunch then let me probably like some some wings and some ship whatever.

But he used to get the lunch. You know what I'm saying.

I mean like he was like what it was lunch me. I mean he was you know, he was.

Okay.

He was there for six years, six years about four So.

You guys put him on gloomed him.

You told him everything.

He knows everything he's seen at the source. He brought over there to excess, which, by the way, parents just went under Harris Publications. So let me tell you why, because remember it was always them against us, and now since we're Hip Hop Weekly, we actually outlasted Harris Publication.

So we're gonna make annoy. That's big because after we lost the sauce, they thought it was over for us.

You feel me.

We was banished into a question and we're gonna get back to Elliott. It's great for us. But the new sauce.

Have you lever bought a new sauce and just looked through it? Not? You know like this recently, I would never I would never buy you.

We would never buy it because it was once your company. Or you would never buy it because their content.

Is just not both up the day, both check check.

You know what I'm saying. It ain't not shopping eighteen years. A lot of things went through us with that, a lot of good, bad, and ugly.

Soul and that was cool with Londale Manilan.

Right with everybody.

Everybody, Yeah, lawyer, lawyer, anybody was that lawyer back then everybody was man with so many know, we worked with so many motherfuckers.

It was creat Are you trying to.

Say something like under the table, like he was your lawyer, so he knew something? All?

Oh god, No, he just jumped in on some He just wanted to be us.

You see a lot of these motherfuckers thought that once, once.

They noticed the truth, it's the truth. It's the truth.

Like when Black Enterprise took the magazine look at it, look at look. Let me tell y'all secret, right, Me and Dave went to Bob Johnson right right before.

Johnson views a dumb that's the guy who used to own be.

Own BT before he sold BT for three billion dollars.

This makes annoys to him selling beats.

Goddamne even if you're going to a foul story sold for three I think he.

Used to own Shott who want to sold the hornets to Jordan Panthers. Jordan, you know what I'm saying. So some long story showed you know, we you know we we we was in the whole thirty million, like with a bank loan, so you know, Bob.

Which means you had to at least make sixty seventy million. Bob wanted, Bob, this makes a noise for y'all niggas killing the game. Come on, it was those days was crazy, so y'all was in the hole. And he kind of he wanted to buy the magazine straight up.

So we I flew his office me and Day, and it was at this time with no, this is Bob Johnson.

Bob Johnson, okay, so you know he he we wanted, we.

Wanted, We wanted eighty million for it. We went and asking for eighty million, and he was. He came out and he came back. He said, well, I'll write you a fifty five million dollars check today. And we was looking back, you know, saying, you said, you know, Bob, give us some many We went in the room, Me and Day. It was just us too, and we figured after like paying off the bank loan and taxes and everything else, who would end up with a few million

This how as dysfunctional?

How you said, I always get dysfunctional, as it may have seen the relationship between me and Dave and how it was was kind of made the source what it was, Dave being from college, being from the streets. It just came from two perspectives. And that's how we ran the magazine, you know what I'm saying, And like, you know, we didn't want to lose the source and then be like, okay, we're not still runners of it, because we know how it's almost like a call.

That offer was like gage fifty five, but y'all not.

Y'all are gone. Y'all gone, ya, we just can't yet. How about you, Daved?

You didn't like that as well?

Not? Do you know? We wanted to stay involved because we said bigger things.

You know, wow, especially with the social awards we did, the source of our licensed TV. I mean, we was doing major things. But the problem was me and Dave wasn't with everybody like in New York and that and that and that, like up there, it's like a club of dudes that have been in and out, you know that normal you know what I'm saying. In those offices up in New York in the industry, it's the same people that just revolved from office to office to office

You guys were like the first like major media company to invest in online media. I remember that early.

That's how we lost though.

Wow, that's ultimately how we lost.

That's how we wanted. I thought, I thought that was great. Now that was that was what.

The scene tell them that. That was me just investing early.

When when the dot com came out, when it was all going crazy with that, that's when I went. I bet the magazine on the internet, and when I borrowed ten fifteen million dollars and started This was.

Like six seven years before the world sounce it was gone. Like you know what I'm saying, it was just too early the bang. It's just nobody understood that, right, we was way behe time is everything.

But Dave, it got to feel crazy now for you to know that you had the vision for what because while you invest all that money, you actually sink where it's gonna be now, So it gotta feel crazy that maybe it didn't work, but your idea was one correct, you know that, right?

I mean, well, but that's real though it was him. Steve Style was young and they invested up. He asked me, and I was like, I don't know. I don't know nothing about that ship. I don't know nothing about computers, none of that funk all that, and just I don't know what the fuck it is.

Steve Stolt, I mean, you know what I'm saying.

Steve is like somebody that we've always had that love hate thing with. You know, we've got money with him too, we broke bread with him. But then Steve has another side of him that is about that again, like that crew. You know, I call it that crew.

You know what I'm saying.

I mean, like you know, I'm just saying, like you know, at the end of the day the other side, you know what I mean, Like there's there's there's a few sides, you know what I'm saying, And that's what I say. I just think that me and Dave was too a little bit rough under the edges for him. We wasn't we wasn't status quo and the source was getting money like you wanted to do.

Steve to the whole advertising business, Peter Arnell, that was his first partner in the advertising business. Whenever you know, when I met Steve, he was, you know, working with Kid and Play, like carrying records.

You see in this industry a lot of people we don't get off props when we do the right thing. So we're gonna get to the crop bottle of the story. So you're the guy who introduced him to the advertisement firm that he started working with and they started doing the rebod thing and.

All absolutely absolutely he got. He was working up at RCA Records. He was an A and R up there for a little while. Gave a deal. He used to give me budgets for videos.

You know what I'm saying. I always getting money here, like budgets to do videos. Take these fifteen stacks, I go do the video for like five stacks. You know what I'm saying. Put ten You know what I'm saying. I remember one time some shit have I got locked up and I had I had spent all the money. He came to the boss and he's like, yo, and it was for this white artist named Based Blackstart of Connecticut.

You remember Met Frien.

Yeah, Yo, they gave me fifteen.

That's real bass blast.

This was before this was like one of the first he could.

Steve been trying to do this white rapper thing for You know, Steve had visions of this, of a white crossover wrapper. He was the first one to really have visions of this. You know what I'm saying. I'm sure the people had it in their mind, of course when Vanilla Ice came up, But I'm saying as far as Steve, he he was seeing it from a marketing standpoint of look these kids out here, these white kids. We can give him someone of their own. And I always felt like, no,

Screwed up so interesting thing. We have min Blee on here recently, right, and men Blee said he was shouting spoke about the Rockefeller break up, right and all like all the employees of how like every successful team now has a Rockefeller employee. That's that's that's that's a part of their team. Whoever it be, do you you guys got to feel the same way, like, I mean, how many people came from the song? Miss? What did miss?

Like? Who's guy seeing that?

It's like this, we can you know that what you have?

You have a guy work the other dude, Okay, it's not a toy race.

Mike Mike Elliott who I'm directed on Loving Basketball and.

Elliot Mike Elliott, Wilson, Ellie Wilson, Mike elliotts Mike Elliott directed record Loving Basketball and a few of the.

Movies right because I'm so fucked up? He was, Yeah, movie you feel me so so little. It's like a lot of people came.

Through the office.

A lot of people came through the sauces.

We discovered him Tyson Beta discovered the sauce.

The Boon Docks.

He was the first remember that yeah.

Happened.

Well he actually he was doing it in the University of Maryland newspaper. When I went home to d C, I had to I think my mom gave me the newspaper. I seen the comic in there boone Docks just dope.

I remember the first time the sauce only cartoon shipping, so like in the newspaper. Yeah, think about think about all the graffiti the Sauce introduced. You know what I'm saying, motherfuckers. Like honestly, niggas wasn't like.

You know what the crazy.

To all my friends. I was like, yo, you know I got busy on day Maze, Like people were sitting there like you know how much I used to read the bag and like they used to every part of that, Like when a person discovered that in jail, the source magazine. I got to command you guys, because there's never been a magazine that's been that credible.

People don't listen to people right now, like if a.

Person can do another like there's plenty of magazine to try to bite your migrating system.

It never worked. Man, How proud are y'all of that? You know what I mean? I mean, Dave can feel that, you know, like I can feel that with you, Dave.

God were there first, you know, and we did it the right way, you know what I mean. You know we kept it, kept it street, kept it real, kept it hip hop, you.

Know what I mean.

And it was it was a beautiful thing and we were We didn't answer nobody. We owned and controlled our own thing. We wasn't you know, we was out of all the entrepreneurs. You go back and look at the history Russell Simmons on, everybody down. They all had major corporation partners back in them.

You know, ours was completely completely independently. It wasn't until the dot com.

That's when you know, I lost control of it because I bet everything on the dot com.

And that's what you were, right, You.

Were just like ahead of his time.

It was a how can you that's crazy that you got to be punished and then imagine that the internet is killing print magazine. Yeah, you know what I'm saying. He knew it though he seen it. He knew it, like I know, he's a genie. Seen it. Next time he says something, you got to just listen.

Just give him two years on it.

I means, it happens.

But you know, but you can't.

You can't worry about that ship. Like, let's get to the source.

You gotta keep going.

You know what I'm saying to the source of wars, whose idea was it? And why did everybody get shot.

Or rock there?

Nobody ever performance at the couple of net Look at that later, brother, I never wanted to saw awad, but listen, at this time when you were hot, you had to be at the sort how did your guys.

Come up with that idea?

Like how does the magazine company figure will do the magazine?

I mean the whole fun Yeah, the whole there was was in the whole thing with the Source was to be a voice for the culture. I mean, so as we're being a voice for the culture, we're seeing that hip hop isn't being recognized. In fact, it's being you know, disrespected at award shows, the Grammys, things like that that had hip hop categories in the late nineteen eighties. Everything

So that was my that was whole, my whole idea. So the first thing was to bring it to MTV and your MTV raps.

We did it as a day on your own TV raps where we gave out the Source Awards.

That's how it started.

That was the first, the very first one, nineteen ninety one with their lover and Doctor Dre.

You guys gotta stop moving back there. Okay, listen, listen, you guys are fucking up this ship. You gotta stop moving. Please, you're moving and storing. Smack the please and come over here, man bear, So listen, this is what I want to ask that Shug Night Day.

That wasn't the first, so that what was that the second or third? Remember Bernie Max hosted the first one. Imagine that all right, p Bernie Mac. Yeah, when Bernie Mac holds up first.

Second, it was at the Paramount then in New York, New York, the first.

The first was in New York, right, Okay, So how did that moment when the whole Tank clan came out o dB, like like we got videotapes and all these ships right there.

I had like we had to do a Best of the Source Awards and I had to edit at all them, so you know, we had to combine all this ship and man, just sitting there editing and seeing all these groups the biggest thing with me.

Because I come from grouping hip hop and regardless of anything, I love hip hop.

Like I'm honestly like, for real, I.

Was in djeh Rock Shocking ray Dog.

That was your name, Rock Shocking ray Dog.

That's what you go back to, that name.

So so yeah, I know for Rell was like, you know what I'm saying honestly like that, that's the essence of hip hop. You know what I'm saying, DJ DJ spending for the motherfuckers, you know, spending.

But this sousal Wards where Sug Knight, he was in New York City? Did you did you know that was probably the like the minute where the East coast West coast beef not not not saying it sparked, but that was the time it came on national front Like we had always heard that, you know, there was this been some beef brewing, But when Shug.

Came there, it was like it was timing.

That was just timing.

But did you guys, was you guys aware of that? But it was timing. It was aware he was going to say.

No, no, no, no, no no, it was gonna be tension.

We were aware something could have popped off because you had heard the beaf or whatever.

Yeah, and we didn't have to what was crazy about that particular one like we've had like the later ones, we've had more time of security a lot of.

Times with the Nation of Islam. You know what I'm saying, shouts the Nation of Islam.

You know are company, You've always dealt with security, They've always handled it. But back then we really didn't have a lot of security at that one. So something was gonna jump off when all that ship was saying, when Sugar saying all that and everything, that would have been the.

One to pop off because there wasn't a.

Gang of security yet now was.

We were just lucky note happened?

You know, crazy uh came on.

That was the first one that was that he did out on Bell just snacked.

So so what happened so so so so so tribes getting the war, you know what I'm saying, Will while he's getting the war, Pocket is already setting up wherever the sound man is bringing him.

That that was done.

We knew nothing about this guy, nothing about this nigga. So the man went to the sound man, told the nigga, Y know, you're gonna you're gonna put this in there the out on bell song that da man or whatever.

So like they had him off.

Nobody knew that.

They just went and just had him hostage.

Yeah, they came back about twelve thirteen fourteen date, A couple of niggas went right to the sound man. We never knew this. This is you know what I'm saying. I seen big sight and later on he told me the whole ship. So but I from from my viewpoint,

Sit yo, throw that ship out on bail, and all the niggas started.

And the music and my music came on.

He ripped that ship, and I remember backstage, I remember what the niggas came back, one of them, at least that slightly. The niggas was like one of the niggas was crying, like really upset, like fucked U, it's not God rest the dead five the other one fight there was two more got your rob the other one.

He was just upset, kicking over ship.

Just mad.

They was going to perform and it was presenting. This was that big award, you know, second the award.

It just got it.

He just went to see how let me get.

That, you know, you know, as wild as the Saucer Wards was, and as wild.

As audience though at that first yeah was when that happened.

Let's make some noise, big audiences.

Wild as the Sace Awards was, and as and as monumental, there has never been somebody on that aspect. Nobody has ever been able to hip duplicate no the Sauce Awards in a hip hop version. I've never seen an award show. I don't give a what happened in backstage. You guys held it together like in an award because it was it was it was.

It was amount of respect for the magazine. They really for the relation. Like I told you, the relationships like it's hard giving, you know, dealing with artists and when they get mics and when they you know what I'm saying, because again I would have none to do with it and motherfuckers could be mad at me because they didn't.

You know, I'm sorry. So anyways, you just made great shows. I mean, but I'm gonna be honest. You guys are my friends. You guys are my brothers. You got my family. But I'm not saying that because of this. I sit back and I watch award shows and just so happens. There's never been award show presented as dope.

As the source awards.

I appreciate that.

Like I mean, I mean, I remember, I'm just keeping it honest with you, like like like how do you feel about that? Like do you think it could ever be done? Or do you think that you guys do awards. You have the blueprint, We had the blueprint, You still got the blueprint.

I'm saying.

I'm saying as far as like we started the blueprint all right, as far as giving great shows for artists that probably wouldn't get the same type of coverage and other award shows. Once Dave cleared it with the with the networks to get on because remember it was on B T U, p N thirty three. I mean, Dave got it all over the place on major networks, on cable networks, the social words for like, remember this was

So what do you guys think of these award shows now? Like, do you think these guys should hire you, like as a consultant at least? Don't line?

Keep it, keep it one thousand.

You're gonna try to get that era either you can you can't.

No, no, no no.

The problem is motherfuckers is scared to fuck with the real ship. That's that always been the problem. It's always the inability if we can't control certain motherfuckers and their cruise, because it ain't easy, you know what I'm saying. But it's like, but there's a way that you deal with motherfuckers. We all know that, we all come from the street. We all know how to deal with everybody, you know what I'm saying. But but, but but there's other people who can't deal like that.

They don't have that respect, they don't have that they I think they don't even give it a chance.

You know what I'm saying, They already assume it's going to be some crazy shit, not knowing this is going to be.

There, they would they wouldn't even try.

Right. We never made a commercialing like political.

We just put the hottest street niggas on, like didn't give a fuck what it was, all over the place. And like when you when you go back and look at them shows, them shows that go down history.

It's like what.

American Bandstand is going to be for rock because those shows right there, all the Source Awards. It will never be like that again, not like that. Not only that though, but the most iconic groups were together. You know what I'm saying, You a compone?

How about how about pun did you ever? He said?

And jerked me like the So that was crazy?

What did you think about that? That was jerked me to the same.

Do you think you know who's you up against?

The shock one man.

Look at me and.

I think this is the situation, right, this gonna beat me and big shout shot and shout that whole career.

You listen, at the end of the day, it was myself. I'm not hating, but I'm bad of course because you're I understand that would be I probably be Patty too. But who else was up? You sid who else? I just don't even being us, I don't remember. It was like I don't know.

That's what made this what's great was that we could so the Chakras the definitely international and at that time, I won't I won't hate, but you know I got love.

I love him the Shock but show hell, yeah, I don't.

Get what was in front of me, dazz because I think grew up dropped the album. I think Dad's anchor up was there that day. We all looked at each other like, yo, what's up?

What up up? Like one of us is going up to the shocks all.

Way another side that thing jumped up.

I was like, I was like, oh.

Oh no, the silk and yeah, and then the pun made that.

Rung like did you what the pun said when he said he said? So no, no, no, what the punt said? When we y'all lost?

What do you say?

None of us said not to each other. We were just like this.

You know, they paid, you know, listen, the limit is rich like I've never I still haven't got over it, but yeah I want.

But that's you know, why I think that you guys were so great.

You guys were doing It's just like, you know, us doing this episode sometimes we might not know how great it is, but.

There's so many people that are young people.

Like when we got our viewers back and when you know, people say, you know, we were doing like four hundred thousand, and we were expecting people to say that. The viewers they saying sixteen to twenty four, which lets people know that if people want to go back and research these things.

You know what I'm saying.

I'm saying, So yo, you guys doing the most legendary awards. You guys had the most legendary magazine. Now you guys got Hip Hop Weekly, Like how did that come about? Because it's like, what is that? Like, I don't want to say gossip because that like downplays it or is it?

I mean, well, you know, after being gueted by the Feds, going banquet, losing everything, motherfucker had to start thinking about the future and what else that he knows and his expertise that we knew that we was magazine man.

We knew that if we still funk with each other, we had a chance. We still had the same connection day still had the same distribution.

So was there ever a time when you guys had that the moment I see, you're just born up the fast.

But like when you guys said, man, maybe we should separate to be so for sexual harassment, I mean you get into we were supposed to talk about it, all right? No, No, seven years, seven years. It was some crazy that it was crazy.

We sat there in the federal building, they talking about but this is a nigga's nuts in the federal court down there.

Like that's crazy. That was crazy, right, crazy.

So.

Hold on.

Nuts never gotttle bit. But so we can't talk about the sexual wressle I.

Mean, you know you know that like with the source, Like it was my decision to give Kim to be the first women editor and chieved for the magazine's mind and she had been working in five years. I kind of like looked beside the woman man thing and just seeing that she was qualified. She was she was a hell of a writer. Against popular demand, like this was like an unpopular choice for me to do this. I was looking over people and so I did it, you

Pulled me that drink. There's no more? Was it dying of the most legendary guest? That was no?

No, first you know no, So I mean basically it was just a situation where I've never seen anything like it, you know. But what I noticed in business, like I've learned being a part of business, because again I was, I was a street nigga, you know what I'm saying, selling drugs, and you know, I learned business and magazine through day.

Right, they've been filming food show for three days. No but no, but no, but but every day sun.

But it was like but it was like a long time beforeve and money from the sauce when the sauce was made from Yeah, it was yeah, it's like so I heard.

The sauce actually started from like a panther a pamphlet, right, Yeah, let to take a newsletter to a thirty million company.

Be it's almost anredion dollars.

Makes a noise million everybody. I know how niggas work one hundred million?

Man, come on, let's do it.

So that's crazy man.

And now.

And now, uh, so many people came from there. There are people that.

Because I heard they was what you want to talk about that directly Biggie common yo, Mysie height and then they was in unsign height. Who else you said? Mob deep in them? Bas was in the side, Biggie was in unsigned. Now what.

Here you guys go? You guys finally make it. You got a magazine that's popping.

Why did you even think about putting on the guys that nobody cared about? Like when I was in the outside of h nobody cared about me. But yet and still you guys had the foresight to see that and put that on.

Whose idea was that, Maddie c Maddie part that, Wow.

It wasn't Maddie see the guy who helped discover Biggie as well?

Yea later on, but the original was like Maddie, I mean honestly, Like to be honest, everybody that contributed to the surce is a part of the success of the sauce. Throughout all the chaos and everything, you can't take away one's work, you know what I'm saying, one's body of work. And there was a lot of them, and it was it was from young people who really lived and truly

You know.

Day the Kids said something on our podcast.

He said, hip hop is the only john world music that has a south version, that has an East coast version or right, a west coast right, So we did that, there's no west, but niggas did that.

Yeah, but what do you think that started.

Because of barrels?

Like you know what I'm saying from ball right.

But then it's funny because you can say that, like if you in New York, you could be like, yeah, we I'm from Queensbridge, I'm from left right. But then if you go out of town, nigga from New York, well, I'm from motherfucking so I'm from LA.

So it turns from street to city to you know, if you go out the country to go from the United States, you know what I'm so like, it's just really it's it's you trying to it's us trying to wrap something so hard that we're gonna give our lives for it right.

Sometimes it don't be the right thing. You know what I'm saying.

You know, so you got stuff together? Man, you guys have beat with Doctor dre Na No no, no, no, no, not like that. Let me clear that up, win again. Let me clear that up. Me clear that up. Clear it up. Let me clear that up.

Within the whole, within the whole Eminem thing. Doctor, Let's just get it. Doctor Dre is probably one of my heroes, like motivators, legends, I mean, influences everything to do with hip hop, a lot of it, you know what I'm saying. Other than Okay, New York is where I got my hip hop from, but Doctor Dre had so much influence from his production and just from the groups that he produced, and me with my love of West Coast hip hop, you know what I'm saying, because I loved it all.

Do you ever like just regret it, just like for what? For what? It hasn't really changed my life, you know what I'm saying.

I don't.

I don't, I don't, I don't. I don't look back I.

Mean, I know, maybe in a way people could look at it as it has, but it really hasn't. Like I'm a hustling nigga that so cracked and drugs from a corner and came from the projects.

So anything better than that is alright with me. You know what I'm saying. I say that I'm not no nigga.

That's like I've had millions, I've had nothing and everything between. I'm still seeing or been the same nigga.

That makes Loyd.

So back in the days, you guys like if you was against.

The sauce, it was against the sauce.

But you guys like you were the first people who to stand up against corporations. We heard rumors of Jimmy Ivian off of you guys deals.

I mean, that was the whole eminemb that that was the situation. Really, the whole thing with that was like I just felt like with MTV cross and.

The source of the death jam, right, the sauce you guys like for y'all, then you have the source like compilation and it came out on that.

Like that's the first time I ever seen a four and a half million dollar.

Check, Like, let's make some noise for that half somebody walk up the apisphere.

Of the now compilations.

And a half.

I negotiated compilation. I negotiated that.

Okay, did you pay the artists on I negotiaate no, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I just gotta say, I'm sure they.

Do one of those.

I'm saying, you got you guys. I don't know why you guys get a bad rap?

Why is it?

You know what it is before?

I mean, the thing is, you guys were so powerful that it was easier to say you guys are bad guys than it is for people to try to get to know you.

And what I mean by that is if a person know that that ship is wack, or they know.

That they can't get at you, it's easier for them to say, manham source niggas is whatever whatever. But the minute you get in front you guys, you guys are hip hop. A story is you guys are great people. Like, why did you think you guys ever got the bad rap?

What's going on?

Because we wasn't like again, we wasn't. We wasn't just buying down you know, he wasn't going along with conform Yeah, conforming conform I don't know that word. It wasn't going along with and with the go along. It was like the rebels and you know, with me, it's looking like you know, because that's how the fans came in. They thought I was straight. The guy got hit with all kinds of money launder and extortion, and they thought that

But that's what it was, because they was looking at the tax situation after the after.

The after the criminal broke down, I had dealt the taxes. I took it to trial and ended up they found me not guilty. I was one of the few to be found out guilty. Of course I had to pay the still pay the fine, yea like one of the fu to be a federal tax took it to the trial, to the trial.

And you're still on your ground and you go to trial right now. Yeah, they had so.

Look so they had accountant wired up and ship you wir up. Yeah, you know what I'm saying. That worked at that, Davey, wait up, hold.

On, that's what we wanted that they hired account Dave hired the account, but he did. They approached three Dunkin Donuts over the George Washington.

Bridge defens approasted account that you have.

Asked him high accounted, you know, I was Dunky Donuts that first one on on on Roote four, the first Dunkin Donuts.

And if he went in there, they sat with him and they said, and he he's he he said.

The reason he did it because he thought it would be excited to do.

What he walked for six months and ship wait wait tell men say what's he doing coming around?

You like just.

Like conversation talking about conversations. And I'd be like, yo, check this out. I'd be like, my man, I don't even know you, Dave.

You know what I'm saying.

We talked patriots and jets, the patriots and Jets. Other than that, I don't know you, So I don't talk to you about nothing.

But you knew he was.

I don't know nothing.

Just I just don't.

I just don't even be having these conversations with motherfuckers. We ain't talking sports or some other ship. Motherfuck I'm not sitting talking about taxes and all this other What are you talking about? Man? That's what the fuck you hided for. Yeah, you know what I'm saying, go talk today. He hides you.

I don't know you.

You know what I'm saying. And that's how it went until the nigga came when when I was on trial, he came in. He couldn't even look at me. I'm looking at this nigga like and it was always like, it was always cool. I never did nothing to this motherf I holly know him. How long was you working with?

Worked there? Good five six years life.

He is making like one hundred and fifty thousand years wire.

I was about to say, make some noise for him. We gotta we got we gotta do something that's like the opposite of making.

Yeah, that was See a lot of people don't understand, right, look at I used to give people in the sauce like real rail no no, no fuck five MIC's Reil Diamond sauce change for the girls and for the.

Guys that drilled diamond and ice from Jacob.

When we spent some money with Jacob, it wasn't ridiculous, man, Like we took care of about people.

You know what I'm saying.

We like, we took care. This was before all the fakedam this is the real There wasn't for that, you know what I'm saying, any ice, This is the real ship. We were spending money taking care of niggas and like, I don't know what it was, man, I just it was always an uphill climb for motherfuckers to really try to, you know, street niggas fuck with us. But it was like the industry motherfuckers wasn't too many fuckers.

I knew you for so long. We lived in the same building, and I've never heard the story of a niggah.

Yeah, this is my first time.

I'm learning a lot, crazy, I'm learning a lot.

You gotta rush.

I just know one thing, though, is that the first time I ever heard your neighbors in Carlito's Ways article called you the way, that's.

What you call it.

I can't call them that job straight out of jail, and the first time.

I asked Carlo about Zeno soon as he got out of jail. Yeah, hire him because we need niggas like that out of like hire him. I was the one to do the hip hop behind balls. That was my idea.

You know what I'm saying.

So you high Coloro strip fresh straight remember, yeah?

Right yeah, look at well I don't see I mean if they still holding grudges this song, Like, come on, when you.

Say holding grudges, are you saying that?

Because because you're saying you have arguments, Every relationship has an argument, whether it's your girl more than arguments.

Yeah, yeah, there was some thumps there a couple of days. It was a couple of about it. I remember who was the r c A Records it was, and then the source guy, the Sauce niggas came up to the meeting. We had an r c A Records were having a meeting about our.

Op heard is a press day.

Album Games to Day on our state when when Clue was the assistant there, okay r c A Records, Okay, before he was DJ Clue, it was saying he was just getting you know what I'm saying.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, So they scheduled we didn't know what they scheduled the interview.

You know, hey were the shore said they were gonna come and interview them. And then they came up there with a subpoena and trying to surf. And when.

I heard something about it, they trying to boycott you.

No, no, this was another time that it was all related. They came to r c.

A offices and lied to give upstairs to our to our press day.

We have all these pressures people.

The sauce that you guys are like four of them, Reggie Dennis, James Bernard is a couple of them. They came up there and they stood in front of like it was on this big ass table. Now mind you, we were happy, were with the people. A golf brooks us up in the building ship like that. They already heard niggas was wild. They waiting like to throw us out the building anyway.

Man CBS is ready to do to us. Just stole on them.

Next thing, you know, as he went through the glass window, we got dropped from all the next week.

This makes a noise, y'all.

Keep the gangster. Sorry if you didn't know Drink Cash podcast, We make noise for the ignorance we love it over here. If you just to take one parrol in here, you mad red man, I can tell you really put it in work this week with me, because Yo, listen, I'm mad black Rock. The case you didn't know I'm Black Ruck. I was from The Fool Show man. It was a part of our Food show. You the first person one of the Food Show and the podcast in the same day.

And then we had Scarface. Then today.

That's my god man, he went to the hospital.

Yall fucked them up as killing Scarface to that.

Contract.

If you eat some fun up ship that know, we give you no nigga. I'm gonna be honest. Let's go.

It is crazy. He's alway's been crazy, but like in a genius crazy.

He walked over his were like this. I was like, Oh, I thought, that's like, how do you swell up? No, it's just swallowup. If you can't breathe, it'll block up you too.

You're so big up to facemall. That's my brother, man. Thank you for coming to the full show. You know what I mean, we're trying to get you on the podcast tomorrow because you got to make it up to me and my brother. But hang, Hank, but listen, talk to me. Do you think the sauce of feeling like

I'm glad you time.

I don't.

I don't think so you think that can happen.

It's possible only because like there's really nothing out there right now that's you know.

Has like a great voice for the culture. There's nothing really there, you know, there's world star.

Webs unorganized a digital format. It has to be everything that's a combination of digital, TV P. It has to be a combination of everything and really multimedia to really get across. But but like with that has to come

Hop and now, man, it's not like unified like so not only it's territorialized, but it's also sectioned off within the territory. So you know what I mean, it's just it's just a matter of how you try to come and do it.

I mean, you know, I feel like me and David put in enough work that you know, like, well, you know, we're in talks right now for hip Hop with your TV show, I think you know.

I mean.

No, no, no, no, not that because it's not about necessarily that, but we want to do it more like a magazine show, like how we did before The Source magazine where entertainment tonight.

You know what I'm saying, you actually have to get these guys and signed off because TMZ don't we have to get these guys?

Well no, we we We could actually do that too, like if we go on location somewhere, but usually it's just blurbs of you know, like yeah, like you know what I'm saying, you would get but all them signing.

Off because I seen you guys were kind of early on that, like doing the first time I ever heard first Ribby mars was about to be released from prison. I've seen it on Hip Hop Weekly. Like your camera guy was out there. He was like like like like everybody else said Rebby Marle was about to be released.

I didn't believe it. I look at you.

You know what I'm saying.

I was.

I was on the road somewhere and I looked at hip Hop Weeklies and every time hip Hop Weekly was on, point was posted something. Everything that y'all posted was one accurate.

Other reps.

We're going to have that on TV.

See that should be on just like how CNN got it. But you know what I'm saying, that's that's what we're trying to do. And like I said, look, love us, hate us or anything between. You can't take away our experience in this game. I mean, we've lived through all these decades of hip hop and it's changed dramatically and we're still here, you know, and you know that ain't bragging. That's just a testament to just try to be a part of the culture and standing the culture, you know

Going to be the beginning of Now you met lions Gay, right, I met with Lion's Gey.

Yes, I've been. I've been all through Hollywood with that, you know what I'm saying, Like shock him a few times.

No, no, no, that's a question I'm going to ask you, Dave.

You know he's always been your partner. You guys are friends, you guys are brothers. But how did you feel the first time he told you he was going to do love and hip hop?

I mean some ice?

How did you feel about that? I mean, I supported it. We just moved to Atlanta and then and that one thing that to another, and uh, he told me about it.

And because love hip hop was an accident, it was it wasn't that big when you at an accident?

What do you mean by that?

I'm saying, like, you know, me and Stevie have been working around. I've been living I was living down here, Stevie come fuck with me. Steve was staying like I'll come up to John.

Yeah, yeah, right, So you.

Know what I'm saying, Like it was, you know I went up there Atlanta, Alma Dale Listen. I know I'm don't. You guys had a question.

You guys had a club.

Listen.

The first time I ever got.

Maded club, I got made infamous. Let me tell you by me and you don't really know each other, but you and Jo all right, this is the funk. This is the crazy lived each other. That is the crazy in the world. Jobbro Yo, you gotta be quiet, man.

Ja ru I moved from Left Rack right to West Orange, New Jersey. Right Jo Rule also all right, y'all.

Rul also moves to West Orange, New Jersey. From there, Joh moved saddle Brook correct River, I'm sorry, Sada River live next to you, and then me and you somehow both moved to Miami and they connected us.

What I'm saying, we all lived like him and John stayed around.

Just to break it down for people that didn't understand that him and John stayed around, lived next door to each other. Then me and joall live next door to each other. The me and No we live next so we all at some point then as we're living next door each other, we all got kids around the same age, so they all fucking with each other, and we get close, you know what I'm saying, and we start dealing with

We would we were, we.

Would talk because we really we both came down here like it's not like we.

Was in the same boat. We want we wanted, we want to get over right exactly. You know what I'm saying.

So you know what I mean.

So we would confide each other in a lot.

You know about you is when I'm when I'm negative, you would be positive.

I'm positive though, and that was that we could up.

They weren't talking, man, Yeah, it's dope, you know what I'm saying.

But that's how we got to be so cool really because we all spent time with each other. And then when you spend time with each other, it's just not you're gonna tell them, motherfucker what you want to hear. You're gonna tell him what you think is best for him, because that's the best type of friend. You know what I'm saying. You know what I mean, You know, tell him what they want to hear. You tell him what's

It's the same thing with everybody makes a noise, rabund.

To take a shot, take a shot of something you know you're actually hear. I thought she was going to like make up excuse, I'm just going to act.

Like, look, this is on me. That's zeno.

Oh yeah, chase your fucking rabbit. Yeah yeah, chase your rab yeah, zino drink Yeah, I have been pressed.

I don't a fucking rabbit.

Yeah yeah, chase your rap. I don't drink, but you know, you know when it has to be done.

Huh. You know you know what I that's your fucking rabbit.

Listen, that's almadell Just so you know what's that with that?

No this is playing?

Oh, it's it is. I thought, oh, I thought that was Dave's cup. I was like, oh, you're just going hard.

That's gonna chase drinking up and chase up. I was like, I'm chasing my rabbit.

That's a nonsense.

You know.

I gave Nae sixty five thousand dollars check.

The stars, and that never came him out.

Oh wait, wait, sixty five sacks for verse that never can get to this story?

Right, yo? What kind of art? You ain't even do it?

How did this story happen? No, it was just he was the hottest funk. I wanted the verse from him, had the money. But now that we was in California after the Steve was fucking with him, you know what I'm saying. So probably Steve boy to hook it up. And then man, he just came up and I never forget gave it to him. He spent the verse and bounced. I said, we just say too much to each other. He just got the sixty five vans and kept moving. We just never I just never used the verse on nothing.

Oh okay, so you did use the word. I put nothing to put out to get sold en right, just like I don't know, you're foul, I don't know. You gotta start looking out for yourself.

Dows verse.

I don't care if it's from then till now. It's at least from twenty to sixty bands. It's always worth that sixty five bands, sixty five? So how hot was he at that time?

Oh? He killed the verse?

But you know, but but like the Boston niggas, you know what I mean, Let me ask you all that ship, your ship, all that product.

Let me ask you.

Something like the thing about it if a new artist came out Now I'm not talking about then. I mean I'm not talking about now. I'm talking about then, like if a new what is that noise?

What is that keep you hearing? What is somebody clicking something?

Still?

All right, tell them niggas shut the fuck up.

Listen, Son is drinking, We drinking ball and then we go this and winning Wood.

We going eating Koyo bar or Winwood tavern or when like, let's.

Go with drinking.

You can have a couple of fun. That's an average drink.

Your fuck, he was as man, he's.

Now listen. Yeah, you know you're my friend. We're clothes.

I come to your crib one day, living a diplomat, easiest creb I one hundred percent.

Give me your rolls number, give me right now. I'm right in.

We're hanging out with barbecuing. You're the first person to bring pork in the house.

Yeah, I brought a big park shoulder.

I didn't even know that.

Shoulder with Atlanta orange and you based it.

I thought he was playing was bringing a pork shower. All I forgot he's running on like it was like, you know, he wanted me to keep in the living room. He didn't want to keep.

He was like the smells the right.

Let's get.

What what happened that day? Like that's what.

You're into the polk shoulder. No, I mean you know what I'm saying, like, no, I'm sure we got some fellows in there fucking port.

But you be on and off.

You be on and off. I remember, like for you is in your blood? You put them for a year. Bro.

Yeah, he was like you like, I ain't park no more.

It wasn't I in beef. Neither pok is the food of the gods.

Talk about it, man, let me tell you about.

Listen to this show. Take every piece of port and make that ship taste good man.

This is how you know, like I know that rand Yaka and Dave Mays is the blackest Jewish people we know. Neither want of no celebrated passed over yesterday.

That makes no noise, for that.

Was the week before no we went to we went to that I did.

He was he was Paris.

Wait wait didn't we go to the Let me tell how power?

Listen? Listen, let me tell how powerful Jewish people is we went to the W Hotel.

Jewish people makes everybody man usually be around us. Mom, you got to keep a Jewish guy around. He's been around. That's a rule. Got keep it Jewish die right.

But let me just tell you how crazy it was. We went to the W Hotel, were filming the food show. Went to the W Hotel for saying I can't film my neckls hurt. So we went to the W Hotel and fought lad to that man and we tried to use the bathroom and they was like, they rented it out for ten days for Passover, so nobody else could rent it out. I've never seen no other race do that. Espeke some noise for the Jewish people for keeping a.

Jewish No, no, they said.

Down the whole W hotel they all out, there was nothing but Kosha food being served.

There was no alcohol for those days.

Correct. We was like, yo, it's the bar open. It was like, no, it's Passover. Is anybody in the Jewish other than Day, Let's make a noise to day being the only Jewish guy.

Come steps on, Dave.

I'm gonna start with you, Dave, because you know, is there anything you regret besides the Internet, because we got to that.

Is there anything you ever regret that.

You could do it?

We can't have no regrets, you know what I mean?

No regrets.

That's a real nigga ship that makes a noise to day being black.

Right there?

You got any regrets? Man, I can't think of anything. You know what I'm saying.

Probably probably you know, of course you want to be smart about it.

You know what I'm saying. I probably you don't got to be smart, but we ate them in here.

But but but still, but if you look back, But if you look back and you can say, yeah you could if you're not even it's about yourself. When you look at your kids and you look at their futures, you know what I'm saying, Then you start have to.

Be talking about music and music musically yeah, music, but like you know, like in the business musically now you know.

I mean to be honest, I think I never got a real shot because of all the controversy with my music. Like people don't know that I produce the intro on Naza Stealmatic album.

Waitut what I'm saying?

You know.

I'm still man, it's the trained overlyon you know what I'm saying on the Stacey lot is, sir, that's hangman three.

You see that me two times? Like yeah, google that right now, Google that, man. Let's get us as brocks. You're not gonna eat no pork grounds on my show Birth version bough. Hold on, I'm going to cooke shoulder to my crew.

I don't even know if those are your pork rinds.

No, they ain't.

Pull through ships.

I'm not anybody. Because this is the mall, this is the ball.

Then they offer those let me let me see if they official park ground just open up.

Yeah, yeah, because it's a ball, you know. Usually, So, boy, how did you produce that?

How did who caught you?

Steve stout?

Again? Steve got you?

Steve, You're getting a lot of love on my show.

We've done a lot of ship with Steve and Steve, you.

Know our relationships.

So I'm allowing the love to be spread with all that tailing of American ship.

Steve, what happened with the tan of America? I'm not you're feeling that I've never seen anything.

No America command It's only this ain't no tanning of America. Man, I don't believe in that, man. You know what I'm saying, I'm sure Steve to Steven means that the white agencies and the white companies are now except accepting certain black you know, right, But that's bullship because they really ain't you know what I'm saying, because they really ain't fucking with us. See it's us that that that got the juice.

It's the middleman and the middleman above them well usually get them credit for it. That's just how it is.

So that's what means the tanning of a memical.

I didn't see that ship. I have no idea what we're talking.

He rose big of I guess big. But look he knows our relationship. But I'm not dissing them.

So this is this is a wonderful thing, man, But you don't agree with that.

Don't get what?

What was just talking before that? Something before that? Steve st No, It's like.

Of the song still Mada. So how did that?

So?

Who called you to?

We probably did it through Steve, But but the s is that we also produced the one with you and Prodigy that went gold. Right now, okay, double.

Plast is a classic album. How did this call happen? What did they asked you to do an intro. We gave some beats and and l E. S Elliott and we gave a beat. Shout out to d J l E s l E S my Man w l E s l E S. We gave l E s the beats.

You know what I'm saying, Lets hear him. That's the one they want.

And wasn't the guy at that time, So it wasn't Steve. It was l E. S. My mistake.

It was l E. S.

And that's not the reason he got five mics.

No, no, should have got five mics.

That album was.

Come on, it's still Mad'm saying, man, still Maden? You still here?

That was a double plas God, damn mas you talking about illic?

That's what that was the classic that was. That's still maddic. I'm thinking, No, no crazy? Are you crazy? That's my

He want to google that came first? Well, well whatever, who got five mikes?

Maybe? Well whoever got five mikes before that? Then nas got five mice. I was in the jail walking through niggas at that time. In the jail I was in, it was either Buckshot Shorty or not. Obviously I was on NA side. I did like Buckshot Shorty, and he wound up his baby mother about black Moon.

Excuse me.

His big mother was actually from Left Rack. So I wound up being cool with him. But in the jail at that time, it was like you either Naso or Black Moon, and obviously I picked the nine side. And when that article came out, I just walking through the jail, nigga my check like it was the and kr Rest.

We had Kara Rest on the show and Karen.

Resh said that he basically said, well, if that didn't come out, you know, he said Queen's Bridge, which which he said Queen's Bridge would never revived. But he didn't understand that what he meant was queens might not never revived, So that that quo. Yeah, but but but but there was a lot of that album from that album restored the the pride, the I don't even know the other they restored like us to be like, you know, walk outside and go go eat in Brooklyn and go eating

It's not that serious.

Normal, it's not that serious because everything's everything fast, music faster. So what you think about that?

I mean, mean, you know the way I look at it is.

I mean, you know you have it's it's just the sign of the times, you know, right, everything is fast. I mean the good thing is that we lived in those times. So I just appreciate how I know those times.

Just because it ain't here no more, don't mean you can't still celebrate it because you've been.

We're celebrated right now. That's what we're doing on drinking, you know, man, I'm gonna just tell y'all, man, hold on, this is the look at that. I just I really need to eat a pork ring on my shoulders. Why do you know this is Sonny? Join you gay, I'm gonna give you five with the walk fan with the pork hands.

I'm gonna give you with the body. You don't know why because park don't go step.

Because these motherfuckers is crunchy.

Don't really know it's good.

Just good, give me hot five with the work. You give me the work. I'm gonna say that I don't mind.

I don't mind. I don't mind.

So he got a question.

I feel like you was gonna go When we were talking about the eminem situation, like, I felt like you was gonna say something like you was going in the direction of saying that you didn't have no problem.

It wasn't no problem with him because I really don't understand him.

It was just a gun.

You know.

MTV was just taking on the hip hop and I felt like, you know, big, this is where hip hop can finally, you know what I'm saying, start getting some money. You understand. Look when drugs and guns ravaged and I say this, the communities, hip hop was there to give niggas a job. You like, niggas was making money off of hip hop.

Man, that's a d M said DMX said rappers whacky. He sometimes he supports them because this rapper is given at least no.

Six to eight people at job.

My nigga, you come out of jail back then to get a job.

Yo.

They ain't like that no more, you know. So it's just a fact that I just felt like.

They wanted to use a situation where the white audience had its own image, you know, to really be at a high level of hip hop with I was saying, the white people are already buying into the hoods in the black and Latino communities with hip hop. They don't need, we never need.

Like Beastie Boys, was this shit. Nobody gave a fuck if there was white black birther lit brown.

Third Days niggasre like you didn't see hip hop made it where you didn't see no color. When Eminem came, he's a white rapper. You know what I'm saying, They did that.

I did the white rapper show. I regreted it immediately, but you.

See, but it has nothing to do it. It has see because the effects of that. I knew the effects of that, of what it is. Now this kid's twit me now, like who's thirteen, fifty, twelve years old?

All eighty three old?

Fake al Pacino? All you Eminem killed you.

I'm like little nigga. You don't even know eminem music, Like little Man, you don't even know his music.

You're just taking on what you're seen on YouTube and automatically avoctating to that black against white ship. The issue was I felt that that they were using his situation all right to separate hip hop to like you know what I'm saying, to separate hip hop from the audience, you know, from from from white black audience. I mean, and then of course, you.

Know, like Jimmy Ivan off with you five hundred thousand.

That good now, Jimmy, Jimmy when when you know, we was when I was going on. We had met with Jimmy a couple of times, and you know what I'm saying, Jimmy didn't want no problems. You know, Jimmy and I had actually done deals with Jimmy. It was cool, man, It was what was?

It was like I just.

He was with me.

Was again.

I was just this rebel that was like.

Look, you know, because you gotta remember these kids had came up out of nowhere.

These was his boys that came to the magazine with the tape. They had been trying to sell the tape.

Yeah, oh the gods from Detroit. Yeah, they had the tape.

You know.

I was in Puerto Rico and Dave called me. It was like the dude are in the office, like on the next flight, and they had been trying to sell the tape over the year.

Now, these was his boy and do you believe that the story like that he said, he said it was only happened because he had a black girlfriend.

It's not, it's not it's not for me that Yeah, I don't know, you know what I'm saying. Wait wait, wait, hold on? What was made up? Was made that story? That was that he had a black girlfriend. So you you did the research and you absolutely we did a lot of research when we did the whole story. Yeah, and that was folks. Absolutely, this is crazy. Nobody, I don't think nobody never knew that.

I mean, come on, man, but it's.

Cool, right, it's cool. Man. Him is a great guy. I met him, I met him once. He's cool. That's what it was, you know, like when you really get down to it. We never met each other to make it personal, you know.

So I mean, I mean, of course, when when when you're going back and forth on record, you're going to take shots at each other as everybody.

He was used to separate the culture and to you know, take it, you know, with the the white audience always was the largest audience of hip hop going back to the eighties.

Right see.

You again, me, seventy eighty percent of the buyers of those albums Use albums was white people.

They was there the whole time.

But eminem was used as a way to take those who's white people and instead of making them instead of making them the followers of the culture and the followers of the streets. Okay, now those people are used to basically control and dictate the culture to where the streets don't have I don't say no more.

That's pretty much what eminem time.

When corporate radio comes in, now they can just cater to that, right and then separate the audience.

But is there a problem with that? Of course there is, because that takes that takes money out of the hood. But the same people, the same people who are buying from the hood and don't have to no more. But who is they when you say that they are using him?

Is it the same people that DJ College is talking about.

They don't want you to win, they don't want you to water your plants, they don't want you to smoke weed. Is it that the same days? I don't know. I just know that.

Look the people, the movies and shakings of this industry right here that control the vehicles. You know what I'm saying, that the ones you know who who you know, big money, take no money, big bank, take low bank. You know what I'm saying, monopoly and everything else. Whatever you're gonna think, whatever you thought about it. If you think about it. You know what I'm saying. White folks always pot into hip hop.

I'm gonna switch the subject a little bit because you're a pillar of hip hop, both of you, guys, but both are legends. You guys are still talking to you, very dispectful. You leaving all right, very I.

Got respectful friends. Apologize.

But it's been a controversy going on right now right what African Mambada right? Cars one is on our show. I want to defend cars one because I got the talk rhymes. Man, get some more funk rhymes, brother. You know. So I had carras One on the show. I asked Kris One about the African man batta thing you car ress One.

I don't want to say he dodged the question.

He just said that's my man. And once he said that's my man, I kind of got uncomfortable and I switched the subject.

Plus after that.

Before that, I was giving kres mad my ties to get him drunk, similar to how.

I'm doing with you right now. You're drinking Hennessy and drinking park.

It's the first person I showed to eat balk God damn, it makes no noise for you know, the person to bring pork showed it in my crib and that the first person to eat walk on the Ring Channel podcast.

What do you think about the African man body situation?

Both of you guys, I don't even know the situation?

Okay, all right, me neither do I don't. You don't?

You don't? I mean, I don't know another situation? You finished or you're done? You start? Do you forget it? Come on tell me the situation.

Oh man, if you ain't knowing it, didn't you know? I'm not I'm not bringing them in this situation. Come on, help me out.

You gotta do.

You know, I don't even want not on that, not on that situation. Let's turn it up.

So the unsigned Hype, the mic System, the Source Awards, the album.

With the joint with you on Mario Winings. All of that you did loving hip.

Hop, I mean rock.

The party was was that we had a couple of we had a couple of shows rock and Park. I think what what was out when I was out when it's love and the hip hop thing? It wasn't presented to me.

It wasn't.

It just I was giving Stevie was staying with me. I was riding to the set. We stayed together in Atlanta and riding to the set and just chilling. And then you know, they asked me to basically like you know, because I was talking to him already he has Michael, and I was just like, yo, you know, you know, you should just try to be monogamous and ship. It was like one woman, right, Yeah, And then there was like when you said that on camera and I was like, yeah,

So so what happened?

Why why you're not on Live of Hip Hop No More? What is that?

I mean?

It was a situation that happened, you know at the reunion, you know, you know where you know.

The snuff Jos Let's just come out.

She came.

Is that what happened? A little bit trying to snuff your wife. Listen, every man in every world, nigga in the world, will do the same thing.

Of course, you know what I'm saying, I'm gonna protect mine.

Right, It's not like you're a woman's not like that that's not what I'm saying. No, no, no, she's gonna you know, choking.

Only get.

Right, right, So why did they There's so many people who did so much worse things and loving hip hop?

Why do you think you're being like listen, listen, Look, Love and hip hop was a great situation for me, you know, like I said, it was.

It was something that I didn't know I was gonna be a part of. You know, I did a bunch of seasons. A lot happened to me on there. I got shot, you know, Oh yeah, yeah, you know that's crazy hope my mom's past blessed. Yeah, yeah, that's you know what I'm say. Yeah, So it's like a lot happened in those years just in my life. So it was, you know, love and hip hop was deep. You know, Love and hip hop was you know, shout out to love and hip hop.

Man, I got you know what I mean, Like you know what I mean like a mota recently talking man. Stephen was just back in the studio.

You and Stevie. Amazing crazy thing is you.

Know how your boy called you and your boy say, you know, he's like I always I know you guys are brothers.

Like y'all gonna.

I know it's different, but you know what I'm saying, Like, I know, you guys got.

A lot of love for each other. You know what I'm saying.

Do you think it was love and hip hop who separated y'all? Or you think yeah, I mean you know what I mean?

No, no, no, never the money because me and Sleeves, it ain't like that with us. It was definitely a situation with with with the you know, he was under precious his situation. I was underpressious my situation. Things happened, you know, things happened. Things happen in relationships and family, and you know what I'm saying, I don't think. You know, I don't know, man, I just don't think, like I

How did you guys work it out? It's just man, it's just gonna take time. Man. You know what I'm saying.

It wasn't you know what I mean?

Time?

Hell was all you know what I'm saying. I mean both of us understood what happened, and you know, like where where we stood with each other, like we don't. That was unfortunate what took place there, and it was unfortunate it took place on camera and ship.

Like when you ask me if I regret things, I regret that.

Oh yeah, that makes a noise for that.

Because because another thing is like I didn't bring out there on Love and Pop for none of that ship to be fighting and all that. Like I'm not with none of that, to be honest, I'm really not with that because you know, we fight enough off camera to fight our whole lives. Why are we gonna go on camera? You know what I'm saying. Not you know, so I don't you know what I'm saying. It just it just it just it was unfortunate, man, it was something that happened.

You know.

I guys had the seven five seven group, right, yeah, seven fifty seven. Yeah, the rest of the peace.

Big cat to.

Man, your cat's get big Cap. We love you, my brother, Yeah.

Cap had hosted the seven fifty seven take us on that pif you go that PIF downloaded?

Yeah, wow wow. So that he passed away and then you guys come back together.

That's probably this was crazy about it because we wasn't together.

He was.

He was like, yo, you should let me just put the music out, and he said yo. I ran to Stevie and he said, he said that's cool, and I was like, why did you say it's call? I was like, put it out, that's dope. Mind you and Steve almoston talking two years.

You know, and you guys were not only like the first people with the magazine that led the culture, not the first people to do in compilations of the coach here. I remember you guys the first people to own studios. I remember you own a studio in Manhattan. Was that called the Sauce Lab? Man? You own a big studio in man We spent so much. I remember you asked me to do a verse or something or come meet you, and I came there.

You know, they actually called me. I walked through. You guys had like they had to be like five million dollars studio. Yeah, walked in. You had blue carp I walked through and I was like, mad.

We rolled up. I was like, Yo're gonna go outside and smoke. He was like I spoke for what spoken had. Like you guys had all type of endeavors. Man, what's the next endeavor that you guys, Dave, Mads and Benzino.

Is gonna do?

You really want to know?

I really want to know.

Man.

In fact, Joe named this album on our podcast Give Us Something Big. Come on, this's go Zeno.

Crap traps everywhere, but we haven't talked about that.

There no crab traps in every city and my sauce in every supermarket.

Let's do it.

Let's make a noise. It's to sound bad. I don't know when I'm mad. Man, it's not wonder women. I mean say so everybody. It doesn't make it bad, it doesn't.

Make it better.

So how did you come up with? Like me?

I mean for the lameness, that's what you say, right, laymen, for the laymen, like I knew like one time Xeno came to the crib. You know what I'm saying, it was something going on with it. Oh that's just straight paple. Yeah all right, hold on, come on, man, this this ain't for straight paple drinks. Because Rock, I'm gonna hit this armadell. Then hold on, let me finish myself.

Rock.

So I knew you had love for cooking, right, but most people got love for basketball.

Doesn't mean they're gonna play in the NBA. What made you take this risk with this restaurant.

I mean it was like a low risk. You know, crabs is low wrist. I was only gonna do crabs, you know what I'm saying. Yeah, So I mean it was like a little small place I had been. Dave turned me onto the little Korean spot over there, Big Joy. It was in the same strip models Big Joy, Marietta. It was already kind of built out as a restaurant, a little small spot like fifteen and sixty hundre square feet.

So it was like I.

Developed these sauces. The first one was like the Zeno sauce.

Because I heard you win somewhere like La yeah, La.

It was like these Koreans like that's like they do crabs differently, where like they incorporate sauces with it. So I said, well, if I put my own twists on the sauces, see what happens. Took me about four months to really like what Nelson was saying.

Did you think he was crazy when he wanted to go in the crabb business. You guys are in the compilation. You guys are in the saucer Warans. You guys are into music. You guys are into and now you want to sell food, like did you?

I mean, he always wanted to do something like this, This is not he was always in I.

Had something on Miami Beach. You know what I'm saying. I remember that too.

I mean he was he was certain about it.

In your club, remember no, No, I got Pepper Space. This is a great. It's like it's like when.

Rose just got hot. I walked in the club.

This is what was club? You know?

Yeah, clubs? You know your job was there? Jou invites me.

I go in there, I going there. All the six bottles of rolls, I remember they had to be at least twelve hundred the peaks. But I'm like, these niggas is doing this with like your birthday or job row birthday. I don't remember it was birthday, job birthday. So I'm like, all right, cool, I'm not asking for bottles. They got us all in go to six bottles of bros just came out and then and then a fight broke out and they pepper sprayed the whole club. I sat there, prepared,

The whole club that I said, fuck, like.

You know how crazy it is to buy bottles to sit down and everybody else leave and you just really want to treat you the ship.

Fuck that.

I don't even give up. I'm saying, right here, give me one way, just fix, let me go.

And that was crazy.

I got prepersuaded the first time I got Perpsation Club High five.

That was club that was a no bass club, that was a no best club. What is what is there now?

It was it was a it was American Paddle Now.

That was the second the second floor joint. We was on the second floor, that's the first flost was on the second floor.

So I just want to let y'all know, like before we get up out of here, Man, is there anything y'all want to get off y'all chests?

If anything y'all want to you know, get.

To the bottom line, you know, because I know I've been messing with you.

You know, I'm just messing with you all. These was jokes.

No, I mean, I just know I'm just I definitely meant I've definitely been down to come do this.

You know what I'm saying, Brother, I appreciate that. I want that.

Thank you so much. Man, you guys been in my corner forever. That's something I gotta say.

You know, you guys been in my corner before we even mess messed with each other. But we wound up living in the same building, and it was something that it was. It was a peer of love, you know what I'm saying, Like, it's a peer of love. It wasn't nothing like no fake like like I need to get y'all like we're gonna handle each other. We're gonna you know.

It was again, that's what that's what.

That's what the reality show people use that word.

It's all right, you know what I'm saying.

So, but one thing, one thing I definitely need to know because only y'all remember when we met that I wanted the documentary with y'all.

Oh yeah, I heard about this. I heard about this, and you know.

I'm glad we finally here doing this.

But this is a good fun When is real serious documentary of the legacy of the source, because.

That needs to happen now, can't you do that?

Or you would have to clear that.

They would have to be a joint clearance because they own the name now, so if there was to be like a thing, they would have to clear the name. Ro So we'd have to call it the force, right or the creators of the source that you want?

I mean, but a lot of things.

Lonzel would have a problem with that, you know what I'm saying.

I mean, how about you call it the history of the I think the culture needs there's always use the SOURCEDE has to be involved, hopefully.

You know, there's no problem with that, Mondelle, you know it makes sense to do it. Chronicle.

We ain't got no beef for nobody but at the end of the day, the history is what it is. Everybody's gonna have their opinions. But the way I look at it's over now. You people gotta put that ship behind and move forward.

Now.

Should there be a source magazine story? Of course, of course, you know what I'm saying.

Of course it should be because I mean, and I'm not trying to start any controversy or things. Do you ever just look at the sauce now and be like, damn, I'm upset how they took.

It like and not No, not only because of of of how every other magazine like and the sauce really is the your sales going, vibees going, I mean, like Russell Simmons.

Russell Simmons is one of my icons, is one of my idols. But when it didn't come on, relieve make the sauce cover. Yeah, I think she did, Like that's not where.

Y'all was on it. I think she did.

She did.

She was one of the first ones after we got yeah, yeah, after she did Yeah, after y'all because David we was doing with Mary sitting on the ice. Yeah.

Iconic joints like Biggie over the building is iconic.

Do you know what I'm saying with the gun to the joke I was doing man with the ship in his nose, Like you know what I'm saying.

So you see like you see like different putting like sports figures or like people who are models on the cover, Like are you disappointed?

Let none of dis Yeah.

But I'm just saying, like the original story, like when you look at it now, like can you walk through an airport? Do you tell me?

Man, I don't look at it just doesn't. It's a different.

Time, you know, Okay, it ain't really.

I don't look at no magazines honestly, Like hip Hop Weekly fits fits is the format of today, but any other magazine like that, it's just a different time.

Now.

Everything is internet phone, right, you know what I'm saying. Everything seems to be internet and phone. Hip Hop Weekly works because of the format of how last weekly you know of like US weeklies and everything. But you know, I just don't look at it like that though more. I mean, even if even if it was, I just don't. It's not in a time where it could shine anyways the sauce, you know.

What I mean, It just don't So I know, I kind of asked you this in a different way to what's the new move man?

Are you gonna stick with reality?

Are you us can continue with the with the magazine or you guys gonna do some phenomenal thing to change the culture again. It's been You're about to celebrate thirty years and well, look we need another.

Week week ago. I'm saying, hip hop weekly TV, hip Hop weekly TV. Definitely me and ot is about to do your own album show that week TV. It's the first time you heard about that. I can't can't say that work. I can't, but I can tell you that makes a noise but no no, but I can tell no no, but we still can make noise to we TV.

We were spread in the room, but we spreading the room. But he don't got his own TV.

I'm still I'm still spreading, still working. I'm still working with Carlos King. You know next fifteen, season two on TV one. You know what I'm saying, looking like season two? Yeah, season one success and you know we're just crab trap man. And you know what I'm saying that.

Did you ever think you'll be doing reality went back from back then?

No?

Hell no, hell yeah no.

If you if you were still after saw us being on top, you probably be like reality is.

Now reality because you see, reality TV is all what you make it.

You know, if you go, if you make yourself a fool, you will You're gonna be You're gonna be looked on as a fool I mean with yourself, you know what I'm saying.

But at the end of the day, like you, as long as you are who you are, and if you don't mind who you are and and and comfortable with who you are, then you could do reality TV.

Well let's make a noise for you know, being political. You're like.

Dave, You've been in the brains behind the operation for effort.

No, you like being you like you like you know what I mean by that. It's like you're you know, you know, come on.

For alcohol.

This nigga's bored out all the chaser. He's a foul guy. He's my brother brought. He's also brought shower.

But so uh, I don't want to say I people do something over because that's kind of corny. But what you think this next big endeavor that you want to do yourself now?

I mean, I mean, like not what I was, you know, I mean this the next big idea for you?

What you think is that because you was the guy who invested in the internet and then people didn't believe who had didn't work at that time. But guess what, the Internet's working now, So that makes you nosra domis what is your next idea?

Again?

I think it's still that there's not a voice for the culture that south there. And the culture is powerful because you know, you have what they call the millennials, which is.

The millennials that largest make it happen, right, Well.

That's that's the demographic that all corporations are going to be targeting for the next twenty or thirty years. And there's ninety five million of them. There was seventy eight million baby boomers. You heard of the baby boomers. I never heard of where they were. They were the biggest largest previous generation in Americans.

The Baby Boomans, yes, yes, and the millennia anyway, that's that's really where to be a voice for them? I think I think dj Ifing has filled that voice for the millenniums.

Not on y'all level, we can never.

But the thing about it is a lot of people, a lot of people they big of our podcast because these ninety stories and there's ninety babies that listen to it.

But I can honestly say that I could never.

Make the impact of the sources ever made. I could never make a system like I've tried to. You know, this drinking competition that we just had Geno do we try to do that with all guests. It's not like the five mics. It's nothing I'm trying to get.

Thank you, Dave.

He's a positive guy, man, five baby, he's my friend. Man, But this just makes a noise for motherfucker the original song. This makes a noise for Zino drinking all the tracer. So now we gotta drink straight. So, man, guys, I want to can't thank you enough. Man. I know you guys didn't have to do that. I know you guys didn't have to fly in from LA. I know you guys didn't have to stop for whatever you guys are doing.

There's been a good sport and that's what this is all about.

This is not about This is about us getting together, getting drunk and telling stories. And you guys did what you had to do. And I can't thank you a man, and yeh yeah, yeah you got to it. Is there anything else any of you want to say? I was like, man, man, it was a pleasure, pleasure here and it's going to be a part two and it's got to be a walking yes, yes, yeah.

But but also let me thank you for.

Uh uh you know you're the first guy who's on my food and on the podcast. You know what I'm saying. Gunplay was too I thought about it. Yeah, you know what I'm saying. But you're doing that live being up the gunplay. But I can't thank you guys enough. Man for let me into your life. You know, I do it with League. We play around with the stories, and you guys are a great sport man, and what you guys can contribute it to hip hop could never be replicated.

And I appreciate you guys being a part of this podcast. My brother, you know what I'm saying. I appreciate it.

Man, the original Sauce, the dudest, Just focusing.

On me for a second.

This is the dudes that made something that people call a hip hop bible. I don't care what you doing hip hop. I don't give a fuck what you try to replicate. I don't give a fuck what you try to make. There's nothing that people are going to call it the hip hop bible, my motherfucker. And listen, this is what I think.

This is what I think.

In a hundred years, the original sauce magazines will be read like a hip hop bible. That's what I think. God bless you, motherfucker saving good night, God bless you motherfuckers. We got some some touchy ship and they stood here. They took the heat. It's going down Drink Chance Podcast. Make the fuck all just go over there.

Let's go over there.

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