Episode 98 w/ EPMD

DJ e F and his drinks has mother podcasting. Yeah, my ba right now, right now, come on, somebody responsible right now. When it come to two man groups, if it wasn't for them, yeah, well we got the White Charger. You gotta relax, all right when it comes to two man groups. If it wasn't for these two brothers right here standing in front of us, I don't think that me and this brother to the left of me would

even exist. These guys not only stood to test the time when hip hop you had to be a real m C meaning you had to know how to rhyme, you know how, you had to have to do beat, You had to you had to do all of that, and these guys are the epito epitome. You go, oh that you got still the test of time. You stuck together. I know it's rough because it's be rough with this nigga, So I know it's rough with me. It's not like I'm perfect, but it'd be rough for him with me.

But the thing is, you gotta stood together for over the time you're stood together, you represented Long Island's strongest Right now in the building, what drink Champs? We got my personal favorite group, e mother fucking be empty Max. So I'm gonna I want to take it to the very beginning because first off, just the name EPMD how how what? What was your thought process when you say we're gonna be a group because everybody prior to that they didn't have names like that. Well, Pat's got the

real I'm gonna give you mine thing too. At the end, I just think of that, I tell you by all the time. You know, run d m C is who we we look after Me and Paris drove to Manhattan to buy sucking mcs from Long Island. You know when the first thing came out, were great? Yeah, yeah, but you know Paris you know figured that you know Erican Parish. You know, we wanted to make money, so epm D making dollars. But run DMC again you can tell, took the line the whole. It was okay with it. So

he's like, yo, you know, go ahead. You guys were actually on depth JAM and run DMC never was on depth jam. Is that correct? You know we end up in later but were managed by Russia. So when we got managed by Rush, Leo took it because it was spelled e p e e m D m D, just like it was spelled e P e E m D. When we got signed the Rush. He changed management, Yeah,

Ruch management. They changed in the logo and got the guy yea, yeah, Hayes, famous guy now and who changed the logo to fall of us and look it up like that. That's because past car, I'm the P double E M D. That's what so we in the rhyme, we spelled it that way, you know, because we forget that that was it was like that on that on this small wifee hey, hey mom, and and look that's that's mama law brother in law. Come on, yo, I

think losses. I saw you with overseas. You know you booge you overseas though, yeah, it's different, it's different, just differing over the seas. You gotta work up differ over one of the overseas. You know you are not a different person on the headlines overseas. The whole big thing. I can't moving for him. The music was louder. What is this? Let people know? That's how that's how you know, that's how you know good people because you know, I see the story a totally opposite way. You know what.

I want to keep it between you because at that time, when you guys came out, it was a tough time in hip hop, meaning you actually had to really really be good like right now, these people will say but they could get on and they have, but that's not the time you guys came out. Question. When you guys came out, you guys actually had to know how to rhyme.

You guys formed a crazy crew. But but but let's I just want to describe those moments, how hard it was back then to these young guys, and you gotta take a shot, yo, No, I'm sorry, listen, yes yo. Basically us coming from long Allen, you know who Gainst Brooklyn Queens. We always felt we had to work harder. But once Public Enemy dropped, then rock Him and Wine Dance dropped. You know, I went to Wine dask one

day and it was six bodies out there. They kept barbecue, and they kept barbecue like this is this is nothing. They're like, yo, that's like yo, come on, you gotta keep what the six bodies and this is the time for people think your little house. And I was like, no, they got to confuse, no question. So me and he always just you know, kept our pin down, feeling like, you know, you had care of restaurant coming from the Bronx, you had Big Daddy Kane, you had Slick Rick Lotty Dotty.

So when we came in, you know, we just wanted to have that impact. Always felt that we had to work harder and then at the end wind up coming off. Now let's take it to this slow down baby, right what man? What? I don't know, I don't know what some of that wash, but I know you can that whole fucking hole. We were back there though the world was going to a war. We just got off a

sleeping back records on the Death Jam that first time. Yeah, that was your first Yeah, yeah, Khali, they had they had ordered the record he was on with his fresh Weeping Back. It was nice. Move was on the label. Two. We had a pretty good labels, Moves on the preg Mat was on there with the first single Zoom Zoom Zoom man Tronics so not and we had parents was dead. I didn't. I wasn't even it was yeah. So basically

between we got caught in between labels. But they was like, yo, keep working though, so it was like wow, we kept the legs moving. Then we went in the studio. We put down the Rampage because the way we was feeling, we felt like an album was going to be held up. You know. Most people was like, yo, you got you

got past the sophomore drinks with Unfinished Business. So Eric and I was like, yo, you know what you see the cover were standing in the swamp with the guns pointing out us, you know, the helicopters above, and then the rampage because we that's the same album as I'm Mad. Here's a little story album. What made you guys want

to work with l L? Because but Leo and then put LL on us because you know why, this is the reason why I'm telling you as an outside of looking at because I really wasn't a part of hip hop. I was just a fan of the guy on the on the benches and um at that time, AL was kind of crossover and you guys were kind of representing the underground hip street. But you just heard it just now the reason why Leo and then felt that L

should be on this on this lane. So it was so when Mama said, Leo, any, so you heard the next album, Mama said, not exactly was the panther. Everything came up after hanging, he said, hanging with these guys and then Marley and then Bang that album came out because because you guys was like the official you guys with the original the reginal m O P. What I mean by that is the audience that you guys brung out at that time was super streak, like I can't I'm scared of you. I kind of kind of still

scared of y'all. Want to look at I'm a fan, but at that time, that's that's why I always wondered, like why did they have L? Because and now I'm being for queens, but L was kind of like, you know, doing and doing like he was like you know he was different. Yeah, but the big L was still talk talk. It's always giving Sunday, like you don't get rust. So

you know we knew, we knew that. Yeah, we wanted to bring you know, we even got this thing and like, no, let's get back because we just had l We just to the I was on on the d N with just two hours ago. But let's get back to the first beat was House had to Squash. The first peep we had was the rock kimb. This is the I was getting to that. Yeah, thank you for going there first. How did this happen? This is Long Island because we two towns away. Kim was my mentor. This is to me.

I'm like, when I heard him, I thought the name was rock wind somebody like you know some things we rock wind came out rock Winds. That's why I thought that was hard. All of a sudden, you gotta relax. All of a sudden. He was two towns over. So the record came out, so me and parents like, yo, this is the most eliship we ever heard. The alert came the next day and played Nobody Beats the Beis. That was another big gas record. Nobody yea but rock him, I ain't no joke. You can get the smack, but

this ain't no joke. Paris came back and said, like a digma smack, you smack me and I smack you back. I'm just and the right. I never caught that man, Yeah, but the two towns did because it's long allee. Okay, Kim made this ship called father Leader, said, brother said him, I never dun be coming fill leading. That's why I drug him in the danger zone. So he went and I'm when I kemping not working with him. Let's keep me my Palas was in front of both. We're not

walking with him though. We come to the students. You know it comes on the anniversary of the first coached ship, doesn't in front of us, shakes the mic nor and rolls it like dice like you know like and rolls the mike to y'all. I don't. I don't know this because he was wrong. So it used to be called the building in Manhattan, right. So him and Palas at the bar talking. How you know old niggas came out

Old niggas like building. So him and he at the bar talking, and Pie said, you're either talking with you were quick so p called me over and he squatted the be right there in the bar. Yeah, was right there. That was the first one where the first one that they they caught me in the building by myself on the folly floor. It was looking like it was like like the following video said something like, yat, you're stressing me. I never even heard that word stressing me the blue

you wanted. So I'm looking, I'm waiting for I'm like, yeah, we're looking easily. I can't find them nowhere in the building. So I was like, yo, let me check in the spot where we never go. You know, you got all these winds. We don't go in that wing over. I'm gonna keep him moving. I walked past the door. I come in and Eric and Rock Chim is like this nose to know the way. We're just in perpects office. So that's the counting. Yeah, all of space and see

ye perfect. I'm sorry he continue. So once I've seen that scene, I already knew it was a situation, you know, big respect to Rock him. I was like, um, basically, I don't even know what's going on in here, but to see them a little correct must be in the miss understanding. Rock him, was smooth with it and we rolled out. But when I got there and I was like, yo, what's up, he was like nah, Like East said, na, your man stressed out to me? What did that mean?

Stressed me? You know what I mean now? But it wasn't in the hip hop sling yet you just yet he came out late. Yeah, that's a late term. You know that came out. He came out early with that. He said to me, he said, he said that to you, to me about he was the one who had the problem. It was something happened to I was something happened with the album. And he's my mentor. So what happened was I just told the girls I didn't like the new one like I liked the past album that and it

came back to me somehow, you know, not that. I was like, yo, how can I thish you When I'm on one side of the tape I got happy now with the people president the other side it is Businmarpe like, I'm I talk about you all the time, But why is that always like that? Why is it like are people wrong with us? Like why it's not? But it's the people around it that started to beat you don't got no be your your friends and start just like

it's just like queens, right queens. You know, Core Mega will have beef with nas on Nas will have beef with I'm just making examples and a campone. But then all actually we all together, So why do we can't get along with each other? Like when I look at Compton, I'd be like damn sometimes because you know, they're all beef on with each other, and I'm like, damn, Why is it like that for our community? Well? I think probably because we wasn't advanced with the business and we

have to learned. So we was dealing with a business that was more than advance than us. We were just coming up out of the hood. So as years go on, we learned the game. We know the game, but for the new cats, they don't know the game. So they learned in the game and then top and inside of that, that's where the miscommunication and a little funny business go down. But me and Cuba man friends Matthew because Cuba on the tour bus when you book with n W A Paris told him how to get how to do it.

That's right out to break up, to leave the well in the way it comes for like two months because you know, you get opened up West Coast Base. He opened up for us like people introducing hing as a group on the scott and then he went because he's working with and then he came to ter five days so so so so yeah, yeah, you gotta relax. So please please please place, please place, please place. What up? Drink Champs Army Wednesday at ten nine Central on BT.

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came in New York. Y'all connected with him, no reason on the tour Lose the West. We was talking. He came on out bus and just stayed for like four or five days. Why but why we was running was ring shows. You know, stay on y'all bucks. Yeah, yeah, we started wrapping, you know, started kicking l a. I would get he would come pick me up in the Suzuki, go to crib and go chills me and I ain't gonna lie. I point your shots. I'm sorry. You know

you know why because you know it's nothing will take one. Yeah, let them more that I would like to do in my life. Don't drink driving drunk. Just look at kid and saying slow down, you got chip, I'm not drinking. But when I'm just the hip, you know, you know he yeah, that's the best bocket in the world. Ain't the best? Who's the best? The best in the world. We make it right here, Betty, But can we side by this seriously for real? Because to see you in

the sea loan and this is I'm just happy. But definitely we always not been behind the gun, but always been the people who somebody who said they ain't gonna do it again, or the crews. We had every rapper that we had, they wasn't good enough. And then we showed the doctor effects. When we showed Reggie, we showed Murray, we showed Solo, We everyone that was behind the gun. Nobody. We got turned down by them, turned by by a

lot of labels, but we believed in them. Going over here to you, you chose to do something and people probably were looking at you like you was crazy. I'm the sidebar and so you know what I did that. I was real with me and my car saying that, even if I didn't know it, I felt it like, yeah, motherfucker's that you have me underneath the because the game then changed. Look at me now, I changed with the game. Look at my new check. Yes, it's very very, it's

very Look at my show. Look at the guests has come to see me. Yes, and we having fun. I want to think he said, yeah, I had to come. He had to because he said he could one. I had to come because the numbers. You know what that feelings. So I felt that for him. That's why I said that from you and crazy, but I'm add on to you eight because our culture, like I have went to accounts, Yes, I went to accounts office. And I've seen Mick Jag

all these other white guys. They touring and they celebrate that, they talk, they celebrate the day. Been in this game for twenty years, yes, but hip hop if you if you once you have ten years, they call you old, they call you washed up, they say you don't got it on more. And I just, I just I just want to play my part of saying you please tell these people to be quiet. I just want to play

my part of changing that for hip hop. Because the more and and and it's awesome that you broke up Europe, the more old school you are in Europe, the more they love you. They love you with Europe. So why we can't reverse that the coach and make that ship. Because the thing about it is, if it wasn't for a P M D, there wouldn't be a mob D, there wouldn't be a coonent, there wouldn't be an m O P. So why shouldn't not be celebrated because we

came up differently. Don't forget Flay, Folks don't say old school and Mick Jagger old school, Old schools just a name. We gotta put the age on it. I heard one Rappititel said about four years ago, Jayson needs to stop rapping and give somebody else a shot. No, you gotta step the game up. If you think that he imposed to be here. You know we're the only coach of fucking vibstration was sent me to. Just dropped the album with number one for McCarty is still getting Grammys. It

don't matter if they look at their coaches. They look at them and they still give them props and enjoy them. And as they told you a legend, so nobody should disrespect that. Like somebody to say, listen, what are we doing now? I'm still touring. We're still making twenty thousand dollars a night, So Pepper still making forty thollars a night. Hands they always look and say what are you doing now? That's why I said what I said about you. You

don't never know what they're doing. At least actpers don't just making thing. Nobody's doing nothing. Everyone era is on the road and some Peppers they had they was towing so much they had to take a break. Making forty thousand dollars a night from June to September. How much money? Is that exactly? I'm just saying that anybody is doing that. So when you so, how do we change that in

hip hop? How do we actually like because me and my partner d right, me and DJ Fan, that's that was our dream is to say, you know what we said, we're gonna start the show, but we only want to We didn't want to interview the new people, not because we got something personal with it, but we don't know their history. Like I know your history. I know what

you guys been through, right, I know. So it's easier for me to interview you because it's easier for me to sit then chop it up and we have these stories that you oversee smacking me back of my head and like you know, and then like you I was just performing. Every just came bound. What's at still has twenty five million people, but you out how the partners bumped out. But how do we actually how do we actually change that in the hip hop? How do we that this is what I mean piece all the time? Okay,

we're the only jard who don't got categories. If Jens Joplin was here, Brindy Spills wouldn't be in a category because you'd be like bitch you and pop right, So to be heavy metal pop a turn of music should have. We shouldn't be Mary Dave Blosses something pepper. I mean Blosses and Um and all the other black singers are in hip hop category. It's a culture, so it should be it's trapping what it is. It should be trapped. If it should be you know, club music, it should

be club hip hop. It should have cindgories. Even jazz got he listening jazz, adult jazz, bady jazz. It got said categories. We wouldn't be having no problems. So you're telling me Drake should be like in them. It's something else below slow rap. I don't know, no, no, no, it's independent because here's a dope. Hip hop artis hip hop too, But a lot of stuff should be labeled

something else. You can't call no disrespect, but you can't call this new music hip hop, no disrespect of them were gonna be labeled something else because the coach that we come from, it's not that. That's not it's not the one under one umbrella. And you know, if it has nothing to do with m C and radical skills, the boom bat with the high hat like a real m C. You had to have BDP rock Cam. I came through the door, you know what I mean the party,

you have things. You know, we have certain things that we said before, how your hip hop was was the coach? We fired elements. If you're adding B box, it's wrapping DJ an't your fee and breakdancing and you want to add I mean be box newcast. But but it's a coach. But you gotta follow the same laws as from seventy eight that went down to you know, rise or whatever

else where. Stop that, you know what I'm saying. But just right here, you can't call this because just don't fit the culture the coach and hip hop is something. But you know, but they don't have nothing else to call. Say, throw it in there. They threw TLC in there too. Whenever they can throw in there that looks like it's urban,

it's under hip hop coaching. But we got to realize we walked away kind of from the game and stopped working and being productive productive, you know, back there like a ninety two when we've seen them dropping music and we felt that was like popped and we dropped the We didn't say that's what they said. What the Saw said earlier? He said, Mike Saw said, silence is almost co signed. Yeah, so when you saw you here, Yeah right, I said, did something real on Instagram two weeks ago.

That was real? Yeah, And I told us my Saw said, he said, you said silence is almost except acceptance, you know. So it's like what we did was we left the bank vault open with all the gap in it, and they came in and took a couple of bundles. Nobody said nothing, so they just started taking the money back so we could sit back and complain. Or what you did. You opened up before him and you drew a line and you said, this is what I'm gonna do. And this is not old school. These guys are legends and

they deserved the respect. Right now. You can interview whoever you want because you're big, but you choose to give us a platform, which is dope, Like who's doing this? But I don't think this is what I bug out or not to be going. But the radio DJs who we remember that was all playing our ships, y'all still our age, y'all forgot that who you know? How you have that you don't know you wantn't hip hop at

one time. Now you'll change. That was bugging me out because they all got the same jobs and they forgot that that we existed, or that music existed. That's the point I don't understand. So what what what? What is? What is Eric Sherman listening to right now? I'll play old old. I feel like I just play Army but Me and Powers gotta album that we're gonna call Dynamic Duels. And y'all written down your company. You had a rug company. Okay, you're going up. You never gave me lett's. Let's get

those ship good. I've been I've been, I've been hating for a long time. I've been, Hey, I'm playing. I've been seeing everybody with a rug besides me. Problem is playing. We got a new acronym. I don't know what you're doing. I don't know what you're doing right now, but I've been stopping, stopping, relax. I'm gonna be honest. It's now we're on the road. I'm gonna say, Okay, all right, that's what we're gonna do. That's what we're gonna do. Drink chaps, rub goes to the office, our ship goes

to a shop check. But damn, I'm not gonna lie like I'm not taking that one. That was another one. Yeah, yo, drink chap. I'm so sorry. So I know that. The interview right last, what is that? Because that better? You know what? You know what, you know what I want. I'm gonna be honest with you. We interviewed Onyx, and Onyx gave me a pair of sneakers and then they asked me what size was it. I said, it doesn't matter. I'm never wearing me. I'm putting it right in my crib.

So you know, Leo, please, really you're gonna go, You're gonna go. I'm gonna keep my nephew out. But Leo told me. One day I went to Leo's house, right, and he gave me the biggest lesson in hip hop ever. He said to me he had moved to Park right ninety some ship uptown right whatever. Right. It was a twenty million our house and he said, do you like my house? I really didn't like it, but I had to say, yes, it's Leo Combs, It's Leo with it. You know what? He told me this? This, this taught

me hip hop in two sentences. He said do you like this house? I said yes. He said, make sure you had enough you next year so I can invite you again. WHOA. At first I wanted to snuffle because I'm like, what, that's the most dispectful shaw. You could have a tell somebody. He basically told me, you're only here because you're right now. That was real though, So if you're not hot next year, just remember this house

because you won't be bad. Whoa. That's ill. But it taught me something so valuable that never never never appreciate your position, because your position can be taken. Another thing is Miami Weather taught me to say about m I'm sorry. I know I'm going all over the place, but right no, one day, I'm sitting on my balcony because it's not a terrorist. When you get a little money, it's called balcony.

So I'm sitting on my balcony, right. I wrote three blunts, all right, and I went upstairs to take a peek. Not a ship, but for some reason, I went upstairs and I had the ship all right, and it rained, meaning the three blunts I just rolled they all and it taught me a valuable lesson. Don't ever appreciate your position, do your position, but then get the funk out of there. And I understood that after Leo told me, and is this music industry? Is it really that bad? All? Am

I overdoing some stories that I think about? No, I don't think you're overdoing it. I the your perception, like what it was to be a B boy hip hop, just to be a doping c and to be the best, And then in doing that you don't realize until you start running into the trouble. Shoot, So you got to take the burden with the success. Okay. So in the beginning, me and Eric just wanted to be dope strictly business

unfinished business. But then as you become the best, and you know, you got the haters before they was haters, So then you get songs like so what you're saying? So what you're saying? Okay, but no, that's normal. You'd be trying to get your craft off and you just be dealing with a lot of let's take it there. You know what you're saying, who is your talking about? The people who thought we wasn't gonna make it back.

Everybody wasn't going to get past the right okaycause the sophomore jenks for people that don't know that's their second album, correct, because they always say rappers falling off after their second album. Right, take us through there. We came first of all, sitting on the bends in the Iraq because you guys were gold the first album first. I think me and he probably went platinum or that. You know what I mean? So no, not now, now you're going back in the

studio and you you are you aware? Shoo? Yeah? No, first we first we dropped, totally dropped, strictly business, went on the Run's House tour, came off the road or amped up, but it was it was It was a talk Runs's House with house reality. There was Runs House everything about hip hop. I offended myself. It was a Rugs house, TPMD Public and me JAPND the sometimes says the sonic opened up some goddamn it. What's my man name?

What's his name? D Daddy? The original? But getting you so yeah, So we came off the road or hype and went in the studio and you say you hype was was you guys like gas like? I think gas was an understatement. I'm gonna be honest, if I wouldn't went on tour with no hold. We didn't have no

money for a tour bus run. DMC let us ride on their tour bus for free, right, So we woke up on the got up and we see the shell tolls right there, brand new brand and an unlimited supply of Adidas anything you want and this ship and I mean not like one, two or three pass right, there were stadium, stadium everything. We went through two or three nights in one and then dreaded. Yeah, but thinking about that album. Yeah, so we went in there. We came off the road run of Jinks, so more Jinks went

in the studio back to Charlie Murrauders and nothing. I just was sitting there, nothing, no lyrics, no music, no nonk just was nothing. Was siding right, just wet was he thinking about? We know if we just know we just got to come off and it was gonna happen and we ended up looking like Cooper Good and society was swinging at the end, so we had to step yeah exactly, you know, and then we adjusted. Then we

went there. Veric went back in there then, so what you're saying that whatever, because it was on the scenes and um, the DJ was playing jazz b so the soul and whatever, and he was playing the a mixed version was just to beat whatever. So I went up there and got the record from him and bring it

home on the DJ plate. So we we had that and that wade off the dance floor like yo, holdie, let me get that, and we made so what you're saying, and after that started taking off what you're saying, and then they then the big payback and the demo came riding high. Yeah, yo ya yo, we built our destiny. We actually built the sixth We built the cold building that called sixty eight command kid, contract you build it's

not the record that before. Yo. We took a three fifty engine out of seven before and put it in the city. And say that again, you took a sim We took a sixty eight come out, took the engine out of a seventy four and over fifty four barrel carp put it in the sixties. We used to be drag racing all that other stuff. We stripped down. The top had like whatever the top one, so we haven't had to take the binal off and furious early domin that's the wall pass almost died on the most like

the first let's get to the story. What happened. What happened? Tell us yall was in just moving the motorcycon Yeah, we know, we used to be wilding. Yeah, so you know, long story short, somebody wasn't paying attention drift over the yellow lines and it was trying to brace for impact and proud of the star football playing so he playing football, quarterback and kicker. You know, that's why the demo was taking long because probably was going to school playing ball

and I was here waiting on it. So eighty five we gotta came out. You know. No, there's more to that though, because we used to have to communicate them everything about y'all. You're disappointed me that I die because Paris, Paris, my first time driving. He almost up, so I dropping to drop the stick. So I'm going stopping the new mag to the section where chicken funk up. I went right through it. The question wasn't something didn't work right?

That was we wouldn't want to under sanction crazy, But that all led to businesses do everything about apm B. I'm mad that y'all fucking me out. Like my history. I'm going back and I'm talking to my history later and me and gotta show you my history book. I gotta shot on my history y'all. Listen, my nigga, you ain't telling me about the crash. All this stuff may apm D crazy, especially with the We came out late

eighty eight. So we watched rock Kim Kane late with cranmem understands j He said he was still spending money for eight people see him and see him. People sack this person's sowing. So like, how y'all, how did these people influence y'all? Because they're the same error So yeah, they were, but they was out before us before came. So I heard that. We got to listen to Chris Rob came before that, so we had to come. Everybody else out there was dangerous because he was to sleep.

I mean like because they all came out that state time and business fum Brent, which I used to see him at the Pancake House with big on top. He used to panc house. He just mean one time in pancake House at the pan business team man with truck jewels. Yeah, like just nothing you told me he ya just be making a demo yalla, Yeah, yo, listen, man, we scribed very bad. This was at the park House. Yeah, we're sitting there business trying to give us the beat too.

Ain't don't have stepping back? Yeah, yeah, I didn't have antal hashta we did we have knes ain't't have? He said, now that's okay, we went and made this. My thing comes to me. Yeah, all right, you matched. I was about to go ask you I want to step Kim King wasn't about to step it to him? Yeah that was you need that you liked after that? It's my thing because yeah, yeah, right, you know what I think of I think I saw the Weeding Hall. I'm sorry, God damn, I think I saw weed and Hall him

at that time. But I'm sorry. What year was that? Seven November? I came out eight eight album drop, And now I wanted to describe eighty eight because I'm like it that like my favorite. Well the only reason why the nineties. Of course it is not like it, but eighty eight was said every came out. Yeah, I'm asking right, because my favorite. Like when I was thinking of my favorite era hip hop that I lived in, it has to be ninety of course, but eighty eight was what

made my ninety eight ship. I want to actually describe. I want to as a fan, I want to. I want you to tell us that year, because what was it? It was putting, it was it was now nice and small, special Lass, special Lass short, n W A like MC likes. You had audio at n W eight after they came saying yeah, yeah, anybody came the same year. Because I want you to describe that it was hard because you

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was he doing. Yeah, he's talking Donna already here. Yeah, yeah, right down he's talking about that makes a Big Dady came. I don't know if it's true, but it's just ripping the room. She said, she makes He says, because you know what, but that year, if it wasn't for that year, I don't think I could ever appreciate my year, like because my success has always been been a sweet meaning.

We came out n seven and my partner, who is my best friend, he went to jail, ye and that impact Tony was tell why we didn't understand was the old nigger ship right there? He said it shook New York way up right, like it was really bad ship. You know what's supposed to be on the remix to to you? And why Biggie Small so crazy? There's a

crazy ship. You know. When I watched Biggs interview, right, I mean, I'm excuse me, I watched Big movie, right, And if you were member when he was making these last phone calls, that ship made me cry because he called me and he said, he said, Yo, I'm jumping on this record. But back then, you know, we had bootlegs. So when he played me the record, I knew that it wasn't coming. I didn't know what it wasn't that,

So I'm saying, how you get this? And I've gotten nasen my Rix worked for a Bad Boys who did the record. He just randomly played it for him and I was like, Yo, these the new niggas coming around from Queens and he heard it, but he went to l A and he he must have heard it again and he called the nigga wanted to sign Kapom. I ain't gonna lie. I thought I thought it was over.

He was not in until Tim Noory at this time, like we made him outside of Roy seven and Kapoem keep the rhyme, and he was like, I'm I'm I'm signing you. And I was like, I feel like we parted, but I was so scared. It's Biggie Smooth also scared. And but bring it back is the era if I, if I didn't eight didn't happen as me as a fan night wouldn't be as important. So yeah, I came out with the toughest of the topic, like how was

those tours back then? Like how was it? Like I get your perfect example, but this one too, because you asked the question. I'm just gonna say it. We all are rush Big Daddy Kane is Tan House down with the l COJ tour EPD Tan House down too. So me and part Pills that we tanned House down enough that we should go on after you. Yeah, we should go in after King. Yeah, you know it was Detroit was crazy back then. Was it was that heavy D two.

I tell you how big big so Leo Coleman has Rushman because Kane wasn't Russia, Okay, so he made the cold because being Pattis said, you know, so we had cal Blanche over then over that position because the French management the next day, Kane comes out with a hot tub speedos the stage. He said, ladies, I got three things to tell you, m m m m. And the paint stopped coming off the ceiling and the life pictures stop coming off the stadiums. We said, yo yo, leo yo.

To change the order that night, I'm gonna tell you. Let me tell you one thing, right, I will tell you one thing when one night I'm gonna roll with Cane. You right at had you know, put it in the mouth. But the problem was nobody never saw the video, so everybody like threw him to the back, meaning they was like, oh, you gotta go on first. But I got a real stage performance, Like he's like busting rounds without the records,

go out to hit crickets to go with it. But he's gonna kill you on stage, and you're gonna have a bit put up a dana in their mouth and all that. Like anything, they're gonna dance. They got scooped. They got he had to fake scoop and scrap. He didn't have Kane scooping scrap. What was the nigga's name, Well, you know he had dance surrept e book showtime and look. So one day I forget what artists it was, but they was like, yo ocummally gotta come on first. So I came and grabbed me l A l A and

till on WI that's it. I said, I had nothing else. He said, it's nothing else, nothing else, so ot combs and I kid you not. He had twelve minutes. He did the best twelve minutes I've ever seen in life. And then people said, I can close from that one. But but that's how it is. Sometimes people just come out there. What you're doing? Check band. I'm sorry, I'm interrupting. I'm scheming. I got my first contract itself. This is classic moment. No, we got the classic. E. P and

D y'are my favorite artist in sparfit Listen. I've been backing with yall since nineteen ninety. Listen. I've been Let's basically, let's been locked up together. My next favorite group, B's Capona Noriega. I'll never followed nobody else after that. I was just stuck there. So this is a real classic moment for me. You got a contract, ye, I got my contract. Damn, I got it. I got it. I learned about the side, got me and Mike's gonna make a movie the next time. I'm here to Tuesday. Okay,

I'm guys coming to you. Yeah, what do you want to know? What's got our party? That's why are you hanging out? Hanging out? Yeah, yeah, we're gonna get him tomorrow. Matter of fact, I'm bringing home. I'm bringing dr TC for you. I'm hating you. I they call me okay making make it connect? So what what? What? What is your favorite? APM B back you got the chill? You

got's the check? Yeah? Yeah, favorite? Yeah yeah, And that's a big song because a lot of people thought we were on the West coast because of that, that West Coast Phil but they thought apps from West coast period. All the sounds weak because why anybody was doing Jane Brown. We were saying record like like l A was doing, like there was a gang banging too. Like we do a show in l A. We'll be the every two

weeks and we at this get your ringing. They'd be helicopters and the time your customer hit boo fight start yo. Our shows used to be so wild in l A and Texas that they we used to have to do you guys to chill about four or five times tonight, right because the gunshots matter of fact is they're like, yeah, start that all was, Yeah, they'd be so close to the state. The big payback then about the big payback? Yo,

we shot that in uh West Coast. We just basically wanted to do something different, so we reached Agett out to Easy Easy. He hooked it up where Dr dre icequ them could come out show with some love and we just wanted to show the camaraderie with the I feel like, I feel like you should explain that more because a lot of us, a lot of a lot of the young people, they just see uh straight out of Compton yea, and they actually think easy he's a dog skinned person, right. I mean it wasn't Darsky life,

but but in the movie. But let's pick up that actor because that actor killed it so much that I thought he was like So I want you to describe that, like, you know, just you know, the West Coast connection, because a lot of people, you know what they think, they think that the East Coast West Coast beef was real when in the all actuality that that means some of our number one markets, as New York Loves us. Yeah, what did you so you know what I mean how

big he was in California. You just what I'm saying, Like l A l A after l A l A. Our records was going number one in l A. But we was shocked because they're like, yeah, because it was already a problem. But we're not not with the actual people them, but with us. You know, Eric Wright working with n W. Way, he was kind of doing the same anything we were doing on the East coast. So there was Michelle A, there was the d O C. They were signed to Atlantic Records. I had K Solo

on Atlantic Records and through there. The communication was there once we came through on the second album, like hey, we want to do something different, the big payback. We got respect for y'all, You've got respect for us. And they showed up and they came to the Beverly Hill gun Range with their own weapons. The girls. He was really out there was mad ship. You see that, you take apart, serious about serious about range was shot like yo, they didn't even yet, they didn't even need their weapons

need yep. So now you just said you just said case solo, right, Yeah, the case solo was your artists and then red Man was your arts and at one point we thought that they were the same person, like like Humpy Hump. At one point we thought they was the same person. And then it was out like they had problems because they both had afros wild Yeah, uh no, I'm correct, But did they ever have problems? We have problems later on, but he would guest squad and he was hit squad. Yeah yeah, but I had to do

with it that. That was just so talking at one time. Okay, you know, not to give him prop still, but again he was just like talking. But I mean again, everything is done now. But there wasn't no between the crews. It was just him, him and him talking about what did he Oh he said something about y'all. Yeah, about this about Reggie and me and death at one point,

yeah he did. Yeah, okay, so yeah he signs over there yea, what the death Roma and its producer Sam Snead That was someone's producer too, along with Paris that went to death Row too. So now Keith Burby's also y'all. This more y'all was together. He was signed to me. So how did you Let's let's describe that. When did you first meet Keith Murray. Murray his name was Keepy Keith right, and I saw a tape of him battling Big Daddy Kane at a dined up for Kane's birthday.

Wait a minute, Wait a minute, right, he said a tape. You didn't say, you big Yes, yes, okay, I have it. You have it I haven't on DVD. Keith Murray battle Kaney Kane and a diner. Yes, what year was this? He said? He and he said, he said you have to take the skills A little boy who said that to who? Kane said to the Murray? And I feel like because I feel like keep Murray spoke with Dust his old likes nothing that he was a kid. He was like fifteen years old. Battle Cane. Now what Kane

is this? It's first Kane, brand new, It's the hot Kane right, the game Kane Kane was his birthday, this is since he born. Was Kane's family too. That was also Keith Murray's uncle, so they was in Brooklyn. They was family. It happened to be going to Dinah for Kane's birthday. After after after a show that happened in Manhattan, and Murray happened to be with with his was his uncle.

And then he said keeping on the rap, So Keith not scared when that came kind of and then Kane just you know, got loose because no, no he didn't. But it wasn't even like like that though. He just said, like, you know, came looked at him like he was you know, you know that's that's cute. So now I asked him earlier. Now I gotta ask you, what are you listening to? Now? Oh man, I'm listening to a little bit of everything. You know, I stick to the to our generation, the

legends and stuff like that. You know, it's definitely what is the panther and animal that kills? I'm like the show for blood coming out the guilts. Yo. We was Sucking Gold Create a Go, Yeah, I can remember that. Was that the cassette tape? Right? Was that? What album is that? That was eighties six eight seven No. Eighty six? Yeah, yeah, before this is my thing a customer Gold co Creative like we used to study that. We studied that, you understand,

remember we said it eighth grade. We was driving to the Lancey Street to pick up Sucking Season. It's like that because I used to d Jack and I gotta get back to y'all making a car too, because that was crazy. Y'all made a car, build the car, still got the cars listened to my dad really cover Definitely Yeah that that's great. So so you do you do you? Is there anybody from the new generation you actually do

funk with? Might be bad? Drew Kendrew's album Yeah, like Yo, sit Down, Humble, sit down, a young cat like that already that advanced to do a single like that, sit down and you know what the crazy shi it is. It's musical though the album like you know, you know, you know, you know. The thing about Dre is like if you listen to the content album, uh, it might not be as lyrically impactful, but if you listen to

it a music at that point, it's still phenomenal. It's that sonically you're saying, definitely here for two of you, right, because if you're trying to hear the chronic, you're you're not, No, it's not the chronic. It ain't that Like the sounding of the music sounds on it like that. That's why everybody that was there, because I feel like producers make better music than like regular artists. Like if you're a producer, like, yeah, definitely because the track comes first and back in the

track to let me start running. And that's how we did most of our music because it beat that we picked for y'all. Like because right now we have Capona, Noriega Mob, Deep Um m O P Salt and pepper Um Black Star hopefully hopefully put us earlier because I feeling good. No duels is coming coming in front of me right now. Nation you're casting me that, my sister, you're just gonna be but you're just gonna be in in a category with pepperm that we're only working with

groups on the groups, only groups big businesses. But I'm also hating because I felt like I should have coming with that. That's why I want to say have no one now. I said old Ship because because like the crib, we're sitting there, like I wanted to make sure saying no stupid dra it's like right down, you know, so we're just doing that, you know what doing But so you know, nor we can't leave out a a boogie and Davies. But I also like that for zombies too.

That's another you know, I've changed a lot of great things about Flat for zob I haven't been able to get into the stiff. Yeah, I haven't had time, but I have been on a book. To dude from um South Carolina was Nick Nick Nick, He's dangerous. I just met him at Charlotte Made they got balled, he got, they got And I told him that, you know, because that's where we come from. We come from Zerk's first generation. Spreading it to k O. King Glows, Yes, you know

he is, he's really dangers. King Glos is ill. He's ill. He's ill. I like King close too as well. Um, I feel like he gott to drop something. He does. He gotta drop something like can you already gave him the props? You know what I'm saying, Like, you know, like yo, you know they missed his name, you know, like yo. But again, it's not to find something to work. Anybody just afraid. What's good? Man? Man? You know these days, man, stamps dot Com is making a trip very short for you.

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looking for what you do. Exactly. Do what you're doing. You will win. And that's why I'll tell you something. That's why, Like I was laid on Kadgy album, this album is me too. I was late, right, so I kept looking at Twitter and people can I'm telling me, how dope it is? So like like an analyst, I downloaded it want to him and I just my balcony,

my son. I was in my balcony. I was in my balcony and I listened to and to tell you the truth, you know, because I'm an artist first, you always kind of like listen to your music to say fuck you, like not not not in a bad way, but I listened to it and be like, I feel like I'm better. Leo Cohmen said, all arts and assholes. He's right, is right, I don't think I'm like that, you assholes straight now start. I wanted to hate and

not a bone hate, no, because you know why. I just I just want to compare myself to every new artist. I want to be like, Yo, I could, I could beat you. But when I listened to that, but we feel that way, that was like, yeah, we do, you feel that too, But but there's nobody to go against. You can't compare yourself to that. No, but when I'm rhyming, but when I'm not preju them but the majority. Right. But when I heard this album, I'm not gonna lie to you, it made me remember how much I loved

hip hop. It made me remember how much I loved you guys. It made me remember how much I loved anas album madn't even remember how much would be no time like thats album like like it kind of like no time like that. Nineties will never we well, it's sad to say we will never experience nothing like that. When every group had their own identity, nobody had to rund like nobody, everybody had their own sound and we all won. How do you have to do that? You know,

don't want now It's totally the opposite. Everybody sounds the same, you know, the crazy big you know you got the other day, I looked at you looked at somebody's instagram, right, and the guys on the instagram, and he sounds just like future right. But the guy says, these other rappers want to copy me, like nigga, you comy here right right right, So I'm just like anybody else coming in. But that's how crazy it is that nobody checks it.

Nobody says yo back then, like you said, biting was bad, like yo, Me and Capone went all out not to be compared to Mam d Like you don't understand, like when we came out and we our first record was l A l A and he was on the same record with Mam Dight, so they automatically that's the fake version of Mom Deep. That's what I run the mom Deep mom me and this nigga. We did everything in our nature to not be compared to them, nigga. So that's why we did That's why we did that. Yeah,

we just wanted to get away from that. But the thing is nowadays, if they say you sound like that guy, it's actually things because never be you listen, no that's where the God tell me all the time. My sister called me Michael Jackson at the crib not because of that, because no matter what you do, young kid, you will never be me. That's right. This is thirty years. You didn't even did three yet after you finished, how can you eat after this? I'm still toring. How are you

gonna eat? I'm just saying I want to realize if I can be there and see, how are you eating? Because nobody's coming to watch you in ten years, So how are you gonna eat? If you didn't say, then you want to disrespect me, I'm feel sorry for you because you will never be me. You will never sell these records, you'll never have number one albums, You'll never be torn, You'll never be in these arenas. To do Summer Jam, you need eighteen a hundred new people them

you won't pack it. And we got if any one of us going to it was CNN, NAS, EPM, D, whatever and two more other groups, we can pack forty one thousand when nobody radio. Usually I can give people drunk to talk like talking, and you're just so long, you're so drunk. I'm gonna trying to get you now, because again, they gotta just right who you are. Don't let nobody take this from you. Me and Paris are humble, too, humble to a fault. Sometimes I'm like, let the niggas

ain't us. Look at that they over they would never be us, and look at they say, Oh that's hip hop. That's why we was like the crossover. But that's why, that's why I drink camps. We won't be humble. For you were right, We're gonna we're gonna represent a P M D. Not only tonight, We're gonna represent apn D every f Look how you won. Nobody was expecting YouTube in they can't win with this. They know people on there, we're watching these old you can talk about no nothing,

none of that. You know what I love about this show, Like a lot of times we listened to it while we're traveling and you get to hear the stories that you didn't know exact know about Black Time. Keep mry. I'm Rickith like like kiss, we're saying, when was I don't know about it? Any little brothers? For ye remember in Philly, Snoop said understood, like, yoh, shoot, we saw a P and D B one. We're like oh, should

we made it now? I mean we're on the video, the P and D. Like the stories that people give y'all from on this show, like the ship that we learned. I know something, you can bet what comes out when that's what you know what it is. We gotta give our artists they flowers when they can smell them, give them their trees when they lory. Stop right now, please stop. Yeah. Stranger in Detroit came to my room and told me the same ship. Do not let nobody, don't compone, let

them represent you and congratulate you. Why you living? That's right. Don't let nobody give you pops when you're dead you supposed to get. And that's and that's the thing. That's the thing is, I'm glad you don't seen I've seen. I seen our culture suffers from that. I've seen that every other culture. Like I said, I went to this account office and the accounts you know all you know

older rock bands. I was the only black guy there, but they they was collecting checks and they was doing that, and I'm like damn, and I'm like, yo, why why we don't do that? In like why we like it doesn't cost me nothing to tell you. I let you know right, no doubt. It don't cost me nothing, don't cost me nothing to say. Every time I see Eric Sherman to me and him to be like like, you know we are playing around here, and but you know he shows me respect, I respect. Why why don't we

do that in public? I don't know. I'm not saying us. I'm saying generally, but most people won't. They don't want to do that. I don't want to say that. If I grew up listening to you and if you made what component Noriega is, I can't tell you that to you, no question, and I gotta say, that's why we did this component Noriega. We tried to be epm so I talked about to his face. I'm like, yo, and I'm like, as a man, I tell run can see today face. I let them people know today faces. I don't care

who it is. If you influence me, I'm giving this to you. But people be like, yo, I know what I'm saying, but that but that's only us. I'm not sweating him. I'm not joking that. I think that's awesome. The thing about it is me and Compon be the fakest people in the world. If we ain't say we was influenced by you, right, if we I me and would be the corniest dudes in the world. We say, Yo, you know he was trying to be epm like we were. But that doesn't make us bad bad because we were

following R D MC. I mean we eight for y'all. It's rock boxing MCS for us, and we relately eight three. It's a little sun of be minds for the rock another shot. But wasn't that saying about today's come on? Obviously there wasn't the leaders for them. Yo. I noticed my glass is the biggest in there. I watch, I watched, we say that too. We're going back to it too. If we would have said something when they got that far, we didn't say anything because we left stuff to get

out of hand and it got like this. So I would say that our generation dropped the ball, strop the ball. But we're starting to work. It was parented, even the parenting that like us as not us as parents, but the parents too. Our parents was the last parents that parented children too. And I don't like to switch the Do you know what somebody tell me the other day, it's that um and I agree with them. But they said to me, you said you don't like this new

generation of hip hop. I think it's okay. They said, what is your fault? Yeah, and they said, because you didn't say nothing right. And I said, it's a similar to what my song said earlier. And I said, what they said, you didn't. You didn't say nothing like when you knew it was bullshit happening. You never said nothing right. You just sat nobody said, and that's what we do,

what it to ourselves. And then by time we did really because because you know what a mile out we actually it was actually about lyrics when we just came out, I was actually about beats. Right now, it's about melody. If you have a great melody, they can do you. But if you have a great melody, I sing along melody. Everybody, don't forget our error. We had to go to power Play studio. We had a Queen's gone on the power point. I tried. I was there for us the power point.

We our sounds. What you say It came with the play. We used the caress when you stop for sleeping bag Yo, paul Us out them over Koreo. The little came. The Internet was the name, I was dead. You don't have to wait and Paul pulling do y'all me pulling before y'all, I don't know. I was so broken, was so wrong, Like when the Niggers told me to come, I was like, I didn't know how to get there. But I just like, yo,

I'm getting there. But I was broken. But me and Prods got signed for fifty hundred hours our first contract. Yeah you need us using came with loading hours. Okay, hold on, keep keep picking up this, mam, bes mam forever you We need you on drink doing it right now, Like you know what the crazy thing is a lot of people don't know that that's what I get my

humor from. My humor comes from Bismobu. Mark was the first person that made me listen to a record and then laugh when he said I'm gonna put you know, pick a book and put it on the basketball and passed like damn. Because I visualized that. I was like, yeah, that's a family. And so a lot of people asked me and I say, my humor comes from bis mom. But again these people don't know who bis Macky is, so they stand back it. But the kids know from

your guys now little kids. Yeah, yeah, but that's where it came from. That was like the first like comedic rapper and since then it hasn't been one. Right now, I'm taking over that but a ship, but I'm taking over it from a media standpoint. And at the end of the day, I can never forget my forefathers, Like he's gonna be gonna be gonna He had never heard that, but never to this day, this mark is still the same way he wasn't with the grand and you know,

on the same page. You know, you had a big shots. You look, I've been following a long gun. To listen, I'm listening. I'm gonna tell you nigga song Um, I heard this nigga say, I knew a girl named Kenya from West Virginia. Oh bo, I would I like to stick something in you? I was a rapper from that moment. I did not understand from you. You made me grant mad. And I'm gonna be honest with Wow. When I heard that, he knows it, I said, it's just like seventeen millions.

But but that ship right there, it was like I gotta wrap now, like I gotta do. I didn't know how I was gonna wrap. I didn't know how I was gonna make it. But but from that from those who brokeers right there. But let's get back to let's get back to ep MD. I was gonna say, arguably but probably the best two man group ever in life, in existence. I'm standing in front of both for y'all. I felt like one of y'all is gonna come. I

felt like it was just one person. I was like, damn, wow, that's crazy up Like, but then, how is your brother? Was all on you? That's my man. You know what's his name? His name the Tiger Bone were missing some elements. That's okay, he said. He said, you gotta check out nor his show. What it's called Drink Chance. He says, the dopest ship ever. I mean here, we take like four hour rides. We listened to the music, hours into the hip hop and everything. To take the arts track.

You're like, yo, I didn't know that you get this. It's like behind the music and that's and that's what it's because it's because you know why the thing is, we don't have an inside the NBA for hip hop. We don't have it. So when you look at Kenney Smith, who's from left Rack. By the way, I threw that in there, that was a shot. Ye. I watched Kenney Smith. I watched Charles Barkley, And even though I don't agree with Charles Barkley, it's like, you know what, you can't

argue with him because he played the game. He actually played the game, so even and I don't even like funk with him, and I don't know, I don't sunk with his views at all, Like I don't funk with his views at all, But I can't say I don't funk with him right because he played the game at a high level and then he's giving back and his opinion should be his opinion, so we all sat back. Me, if it's that bad, where is our version of that? Why don't we have that? Why don't we have it?

And I only to have that? Well, why don't we have people that want to show love back to the coulchure, like like I have no problems even talk about but

I have no problems with telling you. I have no problem telling you if it wasn't for E. P m D. Then be a component arm right paying super homage like we pay homage to run see but in this generation, you would have people who use your music build their whole career, like when they freestyle and they walked past me, and yeah, like like that only makes you were How did y'all feel that? It was kinda like y'all know you like work, you like when people You're like, when

people freestyle over your music. I don't okay people saying kills. Back in the day, when somebody used your music or said your rhyme, it was homage. It was homed. I seen they, dude, I kid you now. I walked to MTV, right, I want the MTV. The dude put out the freestyle that day of my music and walked right by me. And I looked at the nigger and I'm like, damn, do you know you rombed up a band from TV. I want to shank you. I want to shiver that alone.

But the fact is you walked right by me, right right. And the people from MTV was trying to tell him like, yeah, introduced me, and he didn't even know I was that like they introduced me. He was like, this is Norrie, alright, cool, give me that. I don't know. I don't und on my ship Like I was so mad, but I had to actually relax. Yeah, but I didn't want to relax.

That's crazy And I'm like I was crazy, Like how can't you not You ever see the cartoons, like when the ship, like I know, Steven was coming out of my ship because I was like, I'm trying to keep holding down, and I'm like, that's the thing about it is, Yeah, I know who you were. I knew who Rock Him was. I knew who not was we who. I knew who Mama. I knew who dress was. I knew Black she was. I knew So if I actually touched your record, he

said to me, why did you do that? I can say because I love you, right, not because I'm rhymbing on something that's hot. And then and then it bothers me because I even blame the producers. I blame the engine because before you tell these nigga rhyme on this ship, tell who it is. We went in rhyme on somebody else's dope ship. If we couldn't represent it like what they did this, it's like, I'm not going to get

one raw. So many if I can't right, so many, so many people would call me to re create band from tv O and I tell him no, not because it can't be re created. But one of my best friends in hip hop was named Big Punt. He's not around, so there's no way we can we create this moment, right. Let's let that moment die die, right, And it's my record.

I paid for these motherfucker's so I darn you motherfuckers trying to do it, and then you're sending me their links and I'd be like, I don't want to play right, They'd be sending me legs too. I look at it, I say, relaxed. In my mind, I think that Pete Rock felt with what's the kid from Chicago Cheap No the Big Back when he did um women, it's over beat. You're not supposed touch women? Yeah, Yo, listen, Les Letten, I'm gonna be honest. They can't touch any EPND record

y'all got. Y'all made too much. You can't telling the people that used them because to the young guys, Yo and I the most sample dudes in the hip hop hop like from all Our Beat if you do the history, yeah, tons of beat for beat, beat for beat, and they just do it us. Let's go. Did you like when artists well at that time we had because we was kind of off the grid, so it kind of helped us out a little, you know what I mean from Mario Wins. I don't want to know. I know. I mean,

that's kind me, don't She's like, out your customer sample. Goddamn, I got that's so classic, man. Let me just tell you. And Jealous he come and talk to me, to your customer, drink your shoes, do your customers custom Me too, But Puppy was destroying pa to let's make some mus drinking. I don't come up with DMX. I don't know why. But you know, I don't know. I don't know why I even called He called Forty called me and said Forty called me and said, Drake the sample to DMX records.

He feels like d MS and this sam for it. So he called me. You know, naturally, I'm the plot, made it happen, put him on the phone with DMX, and the dog didn't give a fuck. Yeah, I gotta get the poet each other. No, I'm gonna get out. But that's what But that's what that should be like. But that shows me right there, Drake had the consideration to the right. And but you know what you know what to me. I respect that if I'm gonna touch your record, I'm gonna actually reach out to you. So

y'all listen. I feel like I'm gonna do this, and because you know what it is like a couple of brothers, uh touched my record. It's called sometimes, right, it's about my father, my father. It's about my father passed away. Right. So when I say sometimes I want to cry and pray. Sometimes sometimes I want you. Sometimes sometimes I get drunk or goddamn day. Sometimes I want to go back around

the way. Sometimes I want to ride a smoke. Sometimes sometimes I got money, and I still feel bro when I say things like that, you can't take this sometimes and be like sometimes I want a bit. Sometimes sometimes I don't like it, right, Like, I don't like it because this is about my father. Would you actually listen to the record? You listen to the right. You don't understand that this is not what you can this record tell these people they do it. They send it to

me and I mind you. So I'm gonna be honest. I don't own the record, so when they sample it, they don't actually have to like me, right, But I don't clear it In my mind, I'm a foul and I don't like you taking the card way. But what it actually is, it's like it's just like it's just like y'all, y'all yo, nigga just say slow down, baby, and then the nigga just he just takes it and he makes it big baby. Right. So, so do you

have a problem with that or no? I have a major I know that that that when um, what was the kid that used rampage over? Oh no, not Joey, No man, what's the kid who did rampage over with l O cool J? Just God? That was I thought it wasn't even queens. But they didn't get in contact to actually use it. You didn't jump out there ump look at like the people used our records. They turned them into classics for themselves. You got jay Z, ain't

no nigger. It's my thing. You got jay Z. You got to your next Yeah yeah, yeah, so yeah, thank you, Kim Serman, Kanye West Gold, they go to fa it's my things. Get at me, dog, Let's get the balls out of making it. Taking and see shaking the breaking the degrees and start baking them. Sees like the Tato's beats kicking like catle Yeah, and then the ropridies. Did he being override the rough prizes? Didn't he being over Yeah? I love that? But see that now now that's respect.

So now it's now because for me, if a person calls me and they say, you know, I want to do it over like again, some of these joints I don't, I don't own, so when they say that, it kind of press me at ease. So do these people call you prior today? Samp with your record? So they're not some of them reach up, But it's really like you said, for its publishing, they don't. They don't have the callers.

They gotta you know, let's they taking the rhymes or something like that or or whatever or whatever we'd be seeing and I publish it, you know. So like I said, I didn't get a call for Mario, but he still got the money, righty, let me take some because I can go with y'all for seventeen thousand millions. This is dope. We finally remit it because it's tipping like you're damn you know. So we didn't go into my amy because she was not gonna be on point with the rugs.

I really I really doubted crazy. I'm sorry, I gotta I gotta gotta seeing that at least because this is rugs dot com. But you know what, um, we have depth Brooks dot com. This is the website we have at depth rugs on Instagram and you know what we wanted the rugs he's hitting right now because you didn't rush wen't make it working. Do you remember that? He actually, no, no, we wasn't even specting this this way. He was even dope,

you want to spect to component. I told them as soon as I say, I said, but as far as that, we just knew that in the short period of time, Ali, a short period of time, were working a short period of time. But this is my this is my number, it's my partner. And kind of so he was like, you know, I'm saying, okay, yo, I got something I can kick done quick. I hope I can. You know what I'm saying? So and say come on hit me. One day he said, do you see these rocks? He niggers. Guy,

I say, let me just tell you. I want to just tell you what I want my house. You know, I had burned the story up earlier and I didn't bring it full circle. I said, I went to Leo's house, right, and Leo he had all this ship and the thing is everything that he Picassos. I don't give a funk about Pocasso. I don't even like that name. Who is that name? Right? And then I said honest, I said honest.

I said, I just had gave me sneakers, sneakers right size, and it didn't matter side, because this is how I want my whole house to be his hip hop memorability. Man, Like I want I want a painting of E. F. M D in my kids room, and I want to pay in the rock him in my face. I want to do like I want to have a Caress one tennis ball, like I want to like I wanna because that's that's that's the that's my pocas. Yeah. Like we did the show with Run DMC in September. I got

the pair Adidas. I had Run signed to datas and I had DMC signed to put them in the glass case. Yo, and they even got the special edition jam Master Jay Adidas crib. Then boom oh there's run signature, There goes DMCs, there goes the limited different jam Master James. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I know I got right, and I think there was only like mad and I gotta pare. What's epm D's favorite at right, hippo besides eight nineties nineties? Yeah, for

so much stuff. Nothing like it in the squad time frame, like when that was in the Holy ninety two that the old movie with the r I was thinking that. You remember the Queen's movie didn't got shot up? That was oh shift, I'm not proud of it. Yeah, we want to queens when we did a shot Yeah, that was mean nothing to see to see it. It's nothing when you went to go see the movie. No, no, I wasn't coming on my side. I'm totally but I

remember you because your memory is crazy. This nigger right, yeah, yeah, he's a drink chan is a drinking chance. Came in. He's official drink chance. You want a drink champ. You gotta go back to Long Island. That's it. And look look we gave you the stamp. You're a drink chap now and you're gonna be a crown. How was it? How was it? Oh? Pay the fall actually was ill because so wood on the on on on the state where you saying that camera can really punched the kid.

I was hit him and dragged him out the car. He really punched him. The mentor was like that we kind of cut you know, can't really hit the kid. You know, I was auditioned for our pa. You did it was me that you could You could have got that. I was fat at the time. Now you can do it. No, yeah, looking like fat at the time, Like now I who was fat was good? But what was the name when you was out blogging right there? It was crazy? Told you I can't do this kind of movie star too?

And man, little bit, what's the state properant? Let me tell you. Let me tell you about I'll pay the fall because you ask, right. The funny thing about paying for was I actually auditioned to be our pole? What Harris who is hazy? Actually he actually uh resents your call. He rehearsed with me and he told me he knew I wasn't getting role. He was like, y'all you wild way too far and I'm big at the time. He's like, you're not getting this right, that's crazy. But I went

and I still tried. Right, But the people love me so much that like, you're not our pole, We're gonna so the next role. That's that's what the next role was. And that you broke it up was me getting beat up by Cam. That that role when he snuffed him from that was that was my next ship. And and then the director said, nobody thinks Cam's gonna beat your like,

this is gonna be vle you. You can happen. And then what happened was the director was Charles Anthony Stone with Charles Stone, Anthony the third one of the like I know his name was a third Charlestone, the third. Yeah, because I would always remember that because I'm like, damn, like I always see that movies when they said the third, like, I never think that's what I was. So I'm gonna be honest with you. And I never said this payton

Forth was made up. That role never existed. The director just wanted me so so he just said, just do something. So when he came. When I came, I was actually on tour. I think he was on tour with me. And then we was on tour and I had one day to go in New York. So I landed and they said make something up, and I made it up all that ship. What they said, No, I kind of exaggerated. What they said was exaggerate. You gotta be the guy that say, introduced Alpo to a z I mean a

z to Alphole. So I'm talking to a z uh, which was what was his name in the movie Ace, So I'm talking to Ace. But so what they told me was um Ace had never heard of Alphole, So you gotta exaggerate. So that's what I just said. I just made it up. One of the there's one take it raises. I was asked, I made it up. It was so good that when I finished, like I was like, I was like, I did that ship. I was like water, like waters, like sla it's not even what they don't

he said, don't don't say no, Yasamin. You heard like something that you can relate to the nineties. So I had no I just all Emperor, and I didn't there's one take. The reason why I said water because I had nothing else to say. I didn't want to say cool. I don't want to make a peace because I'm like a piece might be dated. So I didn't know that this is a time piece, right, So so when I said water, I was fucking up. It was actually a mistake like water, No no, No, you gotta say water.

You gotta say water. Whatever you like. Water. But E P M D. You guys are so much an inspiration not to just us meet poem e f N your inspiration to hip hop. You gout still test the times. You guys still looking a good out here doing a death frogs. I'm not gonna drink chance work, So I'm gonna take that because you were saying, stop drissing. You know what you said? Locked up crystal clear? Crystal clear? Right. So we so you're working on a new album. Donnamic

duo is big business. Dynamic duels, all of you working with other dynamic the best of the best that we think it was the best dynamic duals. So how far are you in this album? Right now? We knew, but we gotta stuff and then we pick to see what we're gonna do with on what records. Remember we used to do that, used to pick beats early. Now we Hollywood, we don't even do ship like that. You gotts. Once you get back to it, the first thing you think is like, why did I leave this in the first place?

So when we did beats exchange and beats, you know, going over concepts and because we're gonna do I was thinking about doing like ghost Face and a Due Jane for storytelling and then exact and see how we right you know so, and then coming there with them and

mix it together with them. Are they doing the storytelling the ghosts singing j to the eight to the end to the end, then having the you know coming, Yeah, what you enjoy better producing or the beats even though agetting the rhyme is something that because me and Pass we do it because he's like, yeah, and I'm sorry your parents did strictly for this album and people you don't know about this stuff that you know Y did. Yeah. I started coming in late like like like what to

what you're saying? Then we was started going and keep doing something su But again the first one was you know I was I was watching. Now I learned to produce from from him and Charlie as a producer. Like when you when you sample, is it is it still lookal their sampling or you you suggest to get away from that. I do it because I don't know nothing else far. The essence of the culture is to be able to take the sample. So why would you do that? Right?

Like you should just supposed to feel good, making to beat right, and how am I later? Then you run into something okay, but making music making music though, I went by because that's what makes you you. Because we got suthed, like Eric Clapton came and guys and begin business and Roger came and guys more bounced. But again Eric was cool. You don't need Eric Clapton on the charge, just like you know what I'm saying. But like this missed when this guy hit it was wait what happened

talking about that? No business? You got what I need? Was missed the game up? He funked it up. That's why everybody was getting what did he do at no? Because that was the sample that he didn't or something he didn't clear right, and the record blew up and blew up and then everybody stopped coming. And this is this when um they want to attention? No, was this the was this the error? After that? Like, because now we sat for somebody's music, they say they want a

hundred percent of your public? Was that from from the Reservoir Dorms on Jay Z's album, Yes, Isaac is one of a hundred percent. Gave unt do that. We gave it to him because Jay wanted to record bad, but you would do all said that was your weight floso because you flosom flosom. Just now, let's make it that was good. That was good. No what I'm saying, but that's what you game, right right right. That's some people. Sometimes we get up, we give up because music listen

of nothing. How do you get paid if you got to give him a hunt like that with all of them, all of them that joints. So yeah, yeah, whatever you want, you still got good, still get in the public. Don't get the dumb. It come from everything else, touring and everything you know in the puppis and checks and all. You know, if the bracket this fire is fire is worth the sample. So what's what is one of the samples?

What's what's the best thing about hip hop? Hip hop is was the identity of everybody having the own identity. It was the dopeest thing. Like everybody that you knew, that was tribe, that was daylight, that was public, that was seeing it, I was That was all that Nigga said. It's the identity of everybody having their own identity. Let's make a noise for that, just says smooth, slick and he trying to go over. Yah. Yeah, noise kid, right,

bring that back, bring that back? Listen E P M D. I love you, thank you, love me really really really like I'm not saying this just because y'all hear. I'm saying this because real ship. I remember selling crack to your music. I'm not proud of that, but this, like I shot come to you, to you, I apologized. I saw a crack for one day and I was outside the hoard story stating for the robbery map on the radio. I had two crack bows on my mother's Lincoln Continental

mark five on the floor. Why are you selling cracking? My man was doing it. Yeah, I was influencing. I was like, oh this ship, I mean influence like this. And it was early and so we didn't do a show. They were just playing on the radio and it was my man and he didn't force me and nothing. I just said, no, just look hard and funk. Yeah, so we put the capsules out. I'm going to go rob with nothing to do, so put the mask on, sat down.

It's all on one day. You so crack had a mask and you robbed it in one day and get him to come out. So we went it and we was waiting too long and we up but that right there was a sign like yo. But I told proud Mada like I thought I got wrong. I try to even get wrong. Stop showing the day story. But we got now, and they got me that now they got yo, this yo, this is gonna be ya. This was before the whoever you gotta tell our stuff stuff so a little so when I saw me telling me I was

pressing them, I was like, hey, yo, listen, man. The niggas robbed me being right now, like y'all. He was on the wrong side. He was on outside of the building, but that was not the neighborhood. But no, actually he got away though he was gone. He just had the double I was walking around with the false in d nigger the far. I don't know how I got. It's his birthday, so I'm like, yo, you know you want something, Yeah,

good bottle of champagne or something. I saw a nigga, No he no, lie in the building with a white woman's wig going and the white face mask right like a wig face like a president mask. It was a white lady. But it threw me. I wanted to look at things about it. I think he got me. So so I'm in the building and then we outside, so the forcing didn't even leave. That's why I think he set me up. So I go into building. Right, it's on the third floor, so I don't have to take

the elevator. So I go open the door to woke up in the project. To woke up stairs to the first floor. The dude said, come back down. You got the gun of my man's stomach, you know. But no, okay, he got the gun of my man's stomach and said come back here on a shoot. So I'm moving slow at a thousand dollars in my pocket. I had a white shirt on that the world be free, ring one with the world. I got on the two chains. I

got my busy box. Now he snapped my business. Now mass at me going all the way home with no music. He tells me to take the chains off. So on this slow motion, so he snapped brown first one. I'm like, this is crazy, man, because I couldn't win. I gotta I was snaps snap if you don't come back, So he shot bow right. Let so serious, you know, no, it was over because when I walked outside and look at what happened, I'm like I knew to set me up,

because how you know that something happened to me? Because he's shot to let the man's know that it's over. So I went back the next day with the fork green, I got a dog and my cousin Mail and the Fiords went to stout out the club. So outside the club until it was over. When outside opening, no, we didn't care who was there. Open the trunk up out the businses still stop busting out the club. I'm shooting everybody upright. So the next day Light comes and says,

I heard what happened to stat Nolan. But that part didn't get me. The only part that was I was scared about was Paris finding out. So his man called him to, YO, your man got robbed. So oh, he called this is when? So what you're saying this out right? So Paris just me and says you got wrong, like you know everybody robbed me. So I'm lying to him why his man lived in you know it's so He's like, yo, you know your point you got you got robbed b And I'm like, Yo, that's what you're saying is out?

You know that the gun talks in the record. The whole ship, so I have to go back. But look y'all went back and do that then because it got back there. Yo, they came and tried to clip up last night they got yeah, oh my god, the a p m D. I ain't gonna lie. Listen, listen, we almost got jam Rolls kill yeah big time before he went to the NBA Ohio right jail ross hip hop. These girls is good friends as you see. You see in the past, I mean and in the past five

you got the epn D had someone a documentary. We're in the spot. Ohio comes to Detroit, No Detroit, come to Ohio and tennis arena. The pieces Detroit a big bamboo feel like they was they was. They destroyed this arena. So now they messed up by putting chairs and seat right in the ep m D concert right now. See we got ten thousands up in there. Now. I'm the

only one that got to test that night too. Exactly, you got a pistol on your We're running the right so we want to do now Niggas is busting every angle. Now this is a moving vand Jalen J six something much finding way to get out of here. Man, So he jumped in the moving band. Luckily. I don't know how are you another stopped? You know, we came out the venue. Everybody came out at the same time. We had another door van rolling. Jalen jumping kept it moving.

He would have been there because there was on us. No the time in Cana when there was there was a boke of the boots coming by my head. Really talk about we in North Carolinas, the niggas called them boys, called them that game we're going to at the party, we walk in there, specializing them going there first, right he had made already. Yeah, of course he didn't go in there right, all the sudd and we're walking there next me and my man pounds out there with us.

I mean the at the party with the guy wants something the drugs may he said the stuff. Yeah, I was right, I thought, man, because one day all the niggers was like, ain't no stars in here, so, you know, kind of playing us conduct. My man wasn't having it hit the boom the dudes gun dropped. So when the gun dropped, it was rolling towards the inside. So we want to go after the pistol, you know, and it was moving fast on my children. So we're backstrapped and said,

we ain't gonna get that, so we ran. Now, I'm dirty pound light in this. My man is in top shape. You know. I'm neck and neck with this nick going. They're coming from out the cause under the tires, I mean busting. I don't know how we lived. I jumped in a ditch somewhere in the back and the guy sitting something goes from the highway has stopped. But I'm like, I'm yelling. Nigga's like all right. I'm like yo yo, So so we get back. Big daddy can't hear about it.

Him and a certain man Terminy had them big guns. It's like, yo, I like to happy yesterday. Man, the nigga's going down now. But like, okay, But I gotta bring it back to what you said earlier, because I feel like you said that um Uh Kane went on after y'all, But then you said Kane came on with a speedo. I just gotta get to this. I gotta Actually, I don't know you talk about we were stage the speedo, yes, the hotel and a hotel yes, yo. We used to

get escorted to the county line a lot. We used to have the hostage negotiate to get our people back, and then they'd be like, whoa, you could have your boys backed as long as you leave the state. Me and Paris fort Hammer and at him fifty of this handling. They got there, They got in mind there, but we had to fight him and some of the police department. Yes, was understanding. But when nolla Ice was opening for us, ever understanding. Ham told Hammond told told have it from Oakland.

Hammond told Hammond, yeah. Hammon told us too, don't have your man dancing on the speakers. So we said, okay, cool, it's your door Nika Thiny from Queen's you know, for rocking right people more. He didn't want to hear all that. That's what you do. He jumped on the speakers anyway. While now when when she is over, somebody come to to findy talking mess. So Powders comes over to say to see what's going on. So do you know it's puffed up at p p broke the glasses, the frame,

the cheek, boom, nigga, everything came up right. So again we're six two and a half. Have you said chocolate brown you don't like yo yo? So I thought, wow, we're going to a hallway and we stuck met Paris and Solo and we trapped. But about you know, it's about fifty of them anyway, just before the Georgian she can be the ice and she hamdls kind of down together. Russell Simmons had the call and had to holding a

couple of days exactly. So yeah, but he called Leo onto No, no, he could get on the day they got the mount handled. But the way the whole thing went down at the end, everything ended right from the let your police man who only gets down just opened the back door. We left. Somebody stole our mic that night, and we had the audacity after we tore that place up to go to the prestin and see if anybody turned in the mike. I wasn't get a little more story,

like all right, we gotta stop. He was boys, But we fought mostly getting step to it, getting like taking advantage of and I'm not gonna step to me if I'm looking at them, like are you serious? Used like I'm gonna see Paris was this friend of the football. We was like, did you see us? Parents? Like no, but I'm saying but they didn't like a couple of rappers are I'm like, damn, you ain't gonna win, man, Like in my head when I look at like, you know,

coming down. But that was like we coming and again and we scat something that I'm gonna come up to dress room. I'm missing on name, but they come like just room, not just within them and everything. A couple of you, like y'all arrested, y'all out. You know, you know the little bathroom they have in the production office when you're cooking up your money. Ye know. We stayed in there with the cups. They stayed on the phone with Russian management. Yeah, we coups sit in the ride.

We got twenty five thousand people like that going and everything everything joint, where's the young artist? Where City boyd? And I'm young? Really? Yeah? The right not shut the games. Yeah, but this is what what they're describing as me as a CEO, I want you to understand what the fun

they're saying. Like Rush management was crazy. Everybody. If you wasn't on the depth jat, you had to be on Rush and that eventually turned into violater that's true, and eventually heavy and then and then because I felt like I was on depth jam my whole career, but I wasn't. I was. I was on I guess rush um Russ excuse me. I felt I felt like he was like fuck it and he gave it to baby Chris. That's

what That's what his name was. It wasn't baby. And actually Chris Lighty name is actually not even Chris because like his real name is Daryl Lightdy. So baby chrismas because it's Mike mke Lightley. But but the truth Chris was his father. That's why they call him baby Chris. Wow. So Chris Ldy's real name. And that's how I know because like when he first signed me, you'll send meifty,

send me fifteen thousand or whatever. And then I kept going to the Western Union back in the days you were sending that ship, like you're sending that type of ship, Chris ldy and there was like, no, You're closet, was like, and I finally called Clordia and Claudia was like, his name is Daryl Lighty and know was that whole ship? I didn't know that. But he's why they called him

baby Chris is because his father name was Chris. So the reason why I want everybody to know is one of the best situations, best places I've ever seen in life, was one seventy Varry. You remember that christ You could roll dice there. You get a haircut and you get some pussy. If you never us into that's kind of what we tell you something. It was like the bad boys on them. It was telling to be like that.

It was bad the depth jam first one seventy back, and then then they had another office and there was my chump king. I'm seventy back, was it one? So we started off Elizabeth Street was like the town, right, but then one seventy bag. Yeah, it was like for me, it was like a hood outside of the hook meeting Grand Temptation would have much money, grant nothing. I used to call us like, yeah, old day, but I'm gonna be honest. That office I felt like the hood outside

of the hood. But it also felt like this is this when you make it. This is people you to sell a million records like you. Every it's different like you, you was ninety eight, the next like guys you know against and a million million records categories like you was. I remember, I remember you was balaning despot with me. You and M and Peter guns in them like one, two, and three. Don't get rabbits are light, super thug and fucking Peter Gunn your video I remember. I remember I

was like, damn, I gotta take him down. Take him down. You did, and I remember we did um um, what's the dude from um mtvtr was name not all right? No, no the way guy, I'm Johnny. I'm not a john I remember being on the beach interviewing that day. I'm like, Dad, you know we got the one that was it was ringing so hard, like I'm like, yo, Leo, listen, man, we gotta you know, be dropped another record like like no,

we are right. And then Maxwell we got another one album that he'd be Max but I maxt One got beef for me, Max One. I I gotta tell you what because I said on the record, I said, um, your niggas is gay like the Maxwell video and he never he never forgot that, like they actually ring the Violator like he actually I'm a super shoot at this time, like I'm super shooter, Like I don't have shooters. I am the shooter. So he came to Violator because he

was a street dude nobody do it. And I'm like, just like I said, Yo, what did you do to Maxwell? It was at this time, I just say dumb it in my round. I didn't I didn't know people actually listen to me. So some MAXs I was only a million people. He told them, niggas you tell Nora, me and him gotta fight like and Chris is like, yo, no,

he's gonna shoot. You don't want to fight. But I just thought it was the dopest thing that the R and B to fight me like I actually I told everybody little to me and another thing before we go, that's so big. I want to go and start get into the middle place. But love is a situation where we need that more. Like you said before that some point we can change the love of ship by Nigga is just loving this stead of the head said, and then Michael Epp said to over forty. The only reason

that I'm gonna put these up it was necessary. I don't give if you called me a fat fun or your music sucks or whatever. I'm going home. That's because my to year old son needs his dad. That's right. The only way I'm going if I'm put in the position right I'm protecting my family or put in the city, but I gotta get out then I'm putting these up.

But other than that, though I can't see you being this is the point seven four year years old and saying, Yo, I'm talking these streets like a funk that nigga you know, and you're here nigga's talking mess or on the web and doing this ship on the text and oh at this age, I'm not fighting you money, I'm not just Here's the problem is hip hop gotta start taking responsibility, meaning there's no way you should fight. There's no way you should fight. This gotta be somebody that's in the

club saying what I know? Are you talking to? Who? Like? Right? And we gotta that's that's that's the thing, is Hill, everybody that's here. We gotta start taking responsibility. And because you know why, and this is the reason why we started this, because we gotta actually protect our legends like we actually do. Like if you see I told you

now he's black, he's black. But I remember I remember seeing Prince just just go somewhere and I'm just seeing the club just just who just behind that there just and it came in by itself and he levitated. In my mind, did see him walk in my mind definitely, but it was like, damn, I saw that. I mean I saw it. Button. That's that's exactly like if rock Kim coming to the club, if EPMD comeing to the club, Careras coming to the club, and anything that happened anywhere

around y'all, it's my fault. Now, it's my fault, like I made it happen. It's my fault because I could have prevented it. I gotta set the presidents. I know I'm dyslexic. I gotta set the presidents. I said it right, Yes, the president. I gotta presidents so that the next generation set the presidents. Yes, very important about that. It's very important.

We have to. But no, we left the game. There's been no one there here that That's why I apologize to to to soldier boy because from the boys said, listen, you arguing at me, But we had nobody to tell us exactly, so only did what I knew, right, he was argent apologized right, Yes, I didn't know. We didn't head him to go on. See we had something to go on when we came. You know that it was a way from Baby Christ was yes, do it right

exactly and that and that's the reason why. UM, if anybody, if you're listening to this, like I told I was telling you outside, Pete, I was telling you outside that I had checked into this hotel, right, and when I checked into this hotel that didn't sound good at all, but I had checked into this I had checked into this hotel, right. And when I checked into this hotel, the guy says to me, thank you, and I said, thank you for what? And he goes, you put me

on the duck down right. A part of me wanted to smack the ship out of there. That's how the fund can I put you on a duck down? But then another part of me was like, damn, I gotta recognize what I'm doing. Because he's twenty three years old. He didn't know. So when he aired the duck down interview, he went and he did his research and he went and he you know, he actually knew Smith and Wesson was and he knew it, but he was open. So part of me still want to smack him because I'm like, damn.

But then the other part of me was like, this guy don't even know him, nor he wasn't educated. He don't even know. He's looking at me like the podcast, and that's what you said your video the other day. You're seen in a video and he was like, no, tell his name is who he is, But I don't killing, No, I don't, you don't care. But I just felt that because I said I wanted to say, because I was me.

I wanted me to get. But the thing about it is, think about it is I don't care if people have to look at me like that and I could kill still represent hip hop. I'm gonna say one thing before we get this is no disrespect far as what's going on, and no, you know we nowhere near white and black thing. If we don't make a stance, they would want to

start the error off with martial matters. Yes, you know what I thought about that the number one rapper in the world, the number one selling rapper in the world is Imminem. And it's not gonna do it because he's incredibly nice. But that's what the culture is going through. If they can rewrite it, you know what I'm talking about eating I'm so sorry to cut you up. You know what I thought about the other day, and this is the reason why I love what we're doing because

I thought about it. I said, Yo, what happens if hip hop is just tarnished for the next hundred years? Right? And what happens when they actually go do research? You know what, They could actually look up love and hip hop. That's horrible, I'm just saying. But it's televised, so think about it. So think about my thing. My thing is they can actually go and pull up because the history books is gonna up. It's gonna life up. So just imagine.

It's his story. But it goes back to what Eric said, we have to have We should have categories for hip hop so everything is not just shoved under hip hop one label before before it gets written off the way he said. But you know he's been gonna suck it up. It's gonna his story, gonna suck it up, because Yo, glory, if we don't work like like he said, we stopped working. So now and have you said to you might wait with the records, you can't do it. You know there's

people out there. Even if don't worry about about what you think about what mainstream is, it's when he make the records and do you it's gonna come. It's gonna yo that that when I tell you that it's gonna be blessed and it's gonna come, that the world will hear it. I promise you the world is gonna hear it. It's a different type of buying. Now. The world don't woke up. People. People don't woke up now. They woke

up and they went to the run. They want to they want to hear I'm telling you, tip, we just did a new deal with Title and hit Squad Digital. So these are the power moves that we're breaking news right now. Yeah, okay, I want you to describe what you just said, because you said you did a deal with Title Digital, So that means you're an artist's owner. Yes, that's correct, and I want people to understand what that means. That means that you can be an artists and we're

gonna chicken. That means you could be an artist and you can still own your ship too. That's correct, And this is what we do. So basically that all the work that we put in back in the early parts of our career is coming back around. So we self contained, independent in house, and this is the way we're gonna fund on it because in the technology era, it's all about content. Now they even think download it's gonna be out in a minute, and it's all about to watch.

Think you think you know what you're doing it. Let me ask you this. Do you like streaming because to me, I like streaming because I feel like your hate is even listening to you, to you because they feel like they're not supporting you. Oh yeah, but yeah there right, you see membership So you know we just covered the bass part. Even if you press it, you're watching, you got vib'll reported even the Hayters tuned into what we're actually doing. The scream well one album one of albums up.

That's terrible, right dad for the artist. But on the record, if you're only you're good in the streaming, it's money. So yo. Big shout out to Daniel for the you know, making the squad coming, Chance for having that bigot they got second over the school nory got me up less, that's not that's the drink Chance, got me up? Promise you hold up time out? Can we give all uh social media tags? Ye? What you give it out? Give it out? Tell them? Oh yeah you have my bad

Oh I thought I didn't. Eric sermon Eric I c K Underscore Sermon on Instagram and I am Eric Sermon on Twitter, and of course death runs on Instagram and death words dot Com on www whatever yo, and I'm on the on Instagram, on pm D Underscore Mike Underscore doc on Twitter, on p m D of E p m D and then uh Facebook, p m D, VP m D. I got a Facebook. That's how you know you got got I ain't got one either, But listen to my brothers. I'm gonna be honest. Yeah, I really

appreciated y'all. You called for us and BK, we are not. You called and you came, and no, you called for uce be heard. You have me, And you know what, I don't want this to be the first second I wanted. I want you to always come back because why and why why we got this platform. I don't know how long we're gonna have this platform at this level. So you know what I want to do. I want to continue to support people that I want to support. And

that's why y'all, y'all hear. Because but the thing about it is, we don't know, oh we do know how about that? We do know that hip hop should be celebrated. And that's that's my last meeting with Leo Colins, the last time I've seen him. He said, do you know like this is working? I said no, He said, because hip hop has never had a celebration. We always tear each other down. Even why do you why didn't he fix it? I'm fixing it. I'm saying, saying, but didn't

tell you that? No, I didn't. Some now I got smart, but but I just wanted to take the compliment. I definitely didn't want to get back. But the thing about it is, I thought he had a point because hip hop like, why the funk we can't. So the thing that hip hop really is in the colleges, in the high school, how to teach and celebrates, you know everything.

Let me tell you something big. One day, I'm like Kentucky somewhere right and some guy he does a step and as so as he does a step, the other guy goes, oh, shoo you for him such and they're like, yeah, they're doing this ship together. It's a white guy and a black guy. But you know what it was that fraternity run them together. Yes, that's what the hip hop is. YO, No racism in hip hop there's no racism hip hop.

We're supposed to were are fraternity. So no matter where you're at or where else, no matter what right, no matter like you be from New Orleans, we're supposed to say hip hop, hip hop. Yeah, yeah, that's what my mom. They did that then. So that's what I'm trying to tell people. I'm trying to say is that hip hop

is supposed to be a real fraternity. Now, before you get about of here, I've been trying to start something called a hip hop Union, which means we want everybody to get one percent of their profits, not a lot. And the problem is when if DMX has a problem, DMX needs to be held down, the hip Hop Union takes care to try to do that, like Cool Cool

when he's in trouble, donate. And the thing about it is, the thing about it is, I know it sounds unpossible because we dine niggers right right exactly, and we're all but so many people want they want to sit back. But the thing about it is, we gotta think about the less four right, Like how about I love this? How about like Chier that's he said he he did something and he admitted and he took his cry, but my son said he never did it, and he still

maintains that to this day. He did eight years and he said he never did it, but he never had a lawyer. And the thing about the hip hop union, we should all be together and now somebody set up. Man, don't talking about no, no, no no, But because Nori, then we would be the only billion, multibillion dollar industry that don't have a union protection. That's in boxing right right the d next to Yeah. But that's what I gotta say. I'm gonna tell you something. I'm sorry, and

I don't hope everybody's listening. I don't know, but you know, the other day we've seen DMX on stage. Amount of us really appreciated it, right, We didn't appreciate. Not not the fact that we didn't appreciate on stage, but we were just like, that's all. That's all kid, Our kids gonna look a little different. So if he needs help, the thing, I can't do it by myself. What's happening? We do the hip hop union and people just say, you know what, that's permanent headlock. Yeah, but you guys

want to do it to know true. But if he does want to do it right for us to understand what I'm saying, because it's like it's like it's it's just it's just like it's just like yo, yo, because the rock guys do it all the time like it's nothing because you know, just at it like like like like they make you pay to do a movie, That's what I'm saying. Sac So they actually make you say, he goes this, I'm out the money and then you're a part of the union and then now you do

the movie and then then you get paid. Why why why hip hop is thirty fucking five forty years old? Why we can't do that? Why we can't actually take care of like it's been so it's been so many different times where I'm like, yo, damn, I know if I cut the check or I know if I do it, it might be perceived bad because they're like what he thinking, Yeah, like you know what I'm saying. So you know what

I'm saying. I say okay, and you know it's okay, and you comfortable way then you pick up the phone and be like you get a bed right, And that's because because because you know and then come out a better person. This is what I'm sayings the point because I want that for you, because if we don't protect ourselves, nobody's gonna protect us. And I know we're kicking it. We're talking together with this ship is real, like that's you.

I love, not seen when I seen certain people, when I've seen them that I can help, but I've seen also these niggas are niggas, and I'm a nigger too, and he might take it personally if I stepped in a certain way. So I sat back and I said, damn, first, we started with the hip hop flag. Remember you started with the hip hop flag. I feel like, you know, I'm sorry, I'm getting deep gein d but I stay at the W hotels, right. I love the W, I really do. But every W has a gay flag out there?

Am I saying? No? Am I saying, don't take the gay flag out? No? But that's it's it's an automatic identification. It's an automatic identification that you're kind is welcome man. Right. I felt like we should have a hip hop flag that no matter where you go, you see this flag and you know you welcome. You understand, because I could go to the restaurant right now, right, and I can go and I got I got a little bit brad, so whatever, but I won't know if I'm accepted to

the bill comes. I want to know I'm accepted prior to that. I want to walk into a restaurant and say, oh ship, I know I'm good in that because they got the hip hop the same way, and I'm not comparing hip hop the gage like I'm not doing that. I understand they play, understand, I understand, I understand. But

at the same token, that's the respect. When you look and you say, damn you see that, you see that black big business business down right, I have to say, yeah, seeing copon real right off to getting you hear stuff and you don't know now you're seeing like yo nigas he was at the house for the album, like yoll and then and then like what do you think I can't.

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