Episode 89 w/ LL Cool J

e FN and his drink Chats motherfucking podcast. Something Right now, we have what I would like to call the King of hip hop, what I would like to call the King of alternate. What I mean by that is after your career has been done, He's the person who put out the blueprint for what you're supposed to do after your robs. This motherfucker is the King of Queens. I'm saying it. I'm from Queens. I feel like I have the authority. Is the King of Queens, the King of

New York, the King of hip hop. First artist ever signed to Deaf Jam Rackets which means that I might have not existed if it wasn't for this one A lot of this real ship. And right now we got the god father. I might, I might just call him the father a motherfucking queens, New York and everything else we got, and the motherfucker appreciate that. L Listen, Can I call you? Of course in my mind and my mind always call your uncle El in my mind. I

don't know why. I like even when you say with something to me, I'd be like, you know, like I just I got so much respect for you, thank you, not for you. And then and then you came to my hood though, remember came to my hod. It made me like And then run DMC came to and Diggie Simmons came, and then Dickie Simmons he's he's smashing all the little girls in my hood now. But you're putting

foul run around. But we got this baby. I don't care what you say, but I gotta, I gotta, I gotta tell you how how important you mean the queens, Uh, not only queens, because if you look at queens, you look at people like you Nas, Run DMC, you gotta look at the whole spectrum of hip hop. So if you say a person was a leader queens, a person

was actually the leader of a whole generation. So now you have people like Drake, you have people like Ja Rule, you have people all these people who actually they can't say that they didn't pattern their style after you. How do you feel about that? Well, you know, um, you know hip hop is you know, hip hop is a complex thing, man. I mean at the end of the day, like you know, you know, if you're a decent looking fellow, you gotta damn that kill yourself to be accepted by dudes,

you know what I mean? Yeah, pretty much. I mean, look at Pop. You know it's a handsome dude, but look what he had to do something, you know, I mean, if if I made one more chance that with a call to the love song, but from Biggie with something else, you know what I mean. So you know, it's kind of like, you know, you gotta you gotta have It takes courage to do what you love and you do what you believe in, you know what I'm saying. And

that was my thing. It wasn't a matter of you know, I just wanted to have girls, you know what I mean? You know most of my did too. I mean, you know, I figured out make some songs to try to get something.

You know, I didn't, you know, I didn't realize that that was like, you know, because you know the thing with hip hop is that you know, if you're not if you're not hit, if you're not spending gun balls and talking about packs, that gold title is gonna be elusive for you because you know, most of the time the voting members, that's what they really you know, the fellas really that's what they really wanted. And I too,

you know what I'm saying. But you know, I just decided that I was gonna do what I wanted to do. I had the balls to just do what I wanted to do, So you know I did hard records and love records and hard records and weird records and creative artsy ship do you think? Do you think? Because I think that Al perfected the hard record and then the crossover record after that, and then Biggie kind of took that style. And the reason why I want to ask you,

have you ever thought like that? Because of the flavor in your air, it was like they kind of try to keep you closer. This is me as a fan. I have no flavoring. I mean flaving first of all. Flavoring year is so crazy because so many people thought my trainees or some ship, you know what I mean, Like you knows run around here like that shout out to my man top fight. That was something that we used to say all the time, you know, saying just

when it was on in popping. I had no idea that when they was gonna spell out the syllables were gonna be And you know, oh, with all love and respect, you know, Traningville, you know what the man that's gonna be there, you know, with all love and respect to everybody, you know what you want beef and you know what

I'm saying. But um uh yeah, you know, look man, whether it's big or Noazle, you know the other guys, Like I respect all of artists for what they do, you know what I'm saying, and respect anybody who's original and and and does it from the heart, does it from the soul. Like you know, I was listening to that Kendrick record and when he had said, uh, um, you know he does it from the soul. You do it? You know, for you it comes from the meds. I'm paraphrasing,

you know what I'm saying. Um, I just love I love hip hop. You know, I love the culture. You know, I love everything about it. But the thing was, you know, also at the same time, you know, I was never gonna be a slave to the music business. So meaning that the first time that I went and sat down and said, yo, I'd like to get X amount as an advance to this album, and somebody like they shoulder

shook a little bit when you radio. When I wrote the Radio, I took a hero girl get a Yeah, you know, we forget it, so, you know, but I just you know, look, man, I just like to do everything. You know, I don't feel like you should limit yourself.

You know, if you have to tell me that, if you have the talent to do many things, you shouldn't be afraid to do that because dreams will have deadlines, and you know, a lot of times, you know, in our culture, especially in the black community and as young males, you know, we get boxed in to what marginalized. Well no, not just marginalized by mainstream society, but boxed in in the sense that you know, you feel like there's certain things that you might have dreams, but you don't think

it's cool, you know what I'm saying. You might want, You might be in origami, you might be into something like like knitting like blankets and putting them over gates like that. Because you're not a or you're not a basketba player, You're not cool and wet. Wead to ourselves with our music too, because we don't give us We don't give ourselves freedom, you know what I'm saying, Like, we don't give ourselves the freedom to do what we

want to do. We always feel like, you know, every every time I make a song, I gotta worry about what what this particular set of friends thinks. Forget my imagination, but I might be imagining some other ship. It's not that I don't want to make records that my friends like, but what if I think of something else? Why can't

I do that? Right? Why can't I do that? And so that's the thing that I kind of I always acted on that impulse, you know, I never you know, I never was like I just wouldn't listen to that, you know what I mean? Like, I just do what I want to do, because who do you love? Yo? I gotta I gotta get to this. I've never you know, I've been seeing you for twenty years and I've never asked you this question. What is pink cookies in the plastic bathroom crush my ain't gonna lie. I've been going

with whatever, anything to say, I'll tell you. I'll tell you what. No, no, it makes sense. No. No. I was on the phone with a girl right and um, you know, I was at Molly Studio and she was talking Molly Mom, Molly, Yeah, and I am all right, Uh, I smell some weed, but I didn't in hell, you know. And and uh, you know, after I smelled the weed, um, you know, after smelling the weed, I laid on the couch and I was talking to this girl and she said, I was like, you know, yeah, She was like, what

are you talking about? Said baby, I don't know. I'm thinking about heating cookies in the plastic bag and crushed my buildings right now, she said, she said. And what she said? What? I was like, that's the song background? I said, your mother, I said, your mother, let's get it. So I went downstairs, you know, and made the record, you know, let me. So it was so complicated that I knew the explanation. Yeah yeah, it wasn't no, yeah, yeah, yeah, you know, yeah yeah, I'm not even I ain't come

here to line run for office. You know, That's what it was, you know. And I had minute to satellite floating in closet, spinding pockets. I had a few of them. I got more of them jumping out of football jumping out of a helicopter into a football stadi and filled with cotton, candy and ship. I'm gonna tell you some crazy ship. I'm gonna tell you one thing. Al I know you don't know you taught me that. I know you don't know what you told me this. But I was on the Top forty tour, right, and I only

have seven dates on the top forty tour. You had like seventy, right, and I didn't ride on the private jet. I was commercial everybody else. You had your puff daddy jar rule, this is this is this, this is that type. But I got seven days. So every date that I had had with you, like you had your room and then you had your room for your people, and I

never disrupted you. I never came in there. But this was one day I was like you kind of speak to owl and I was like, who is it, and they said Norway said let that nigger, and I felt like he was shadow boxing. I don't know. So you came in and I said, your el because you had gave out roses this night. You had gave out roses, right, so I said owl like. I'm I'm eighteen nineteen at the time, I'm so young. So I'm like, oh, every girl in the crowd is for you. Wow, are you

not out there? And you know what she told me. You said I rolled my wife And I said why, he said, because I never get in trouble yea, yeah, yeah yeah, And let me tell you something to this day, I rolled my wife. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, you you really don't you know, why get the money back? You know, I mean, I'm back like easy like And then you know, the crazy thing is younger brothers come up to me and be like, yo, Nori, why are you rolling with your wife? And not just be like I'm gonna use

that now. We just say I don't want to get back. But you know, you know, I you know, I had moments Nori in my life, you know, I mean, I you know, you know, uh you know, yeah, but you know, but at the same time, we can't. Yeah, you gotta he got easy tiger. You know, it's rough out there, something water out there. Then I didn't know though when you told me that, Yeah, I was like, el was bugging or then I had to actually live. And then when I lived, I said, so you thought he was

bugging out when he told me that. Oh no, I was to my mind that party said he's retired, like and then years later I was like, you, that reminds me of a story I was. You know, I won't say his name because I don't want to. It's rap dude. You know. Back in day he came with me like, yo, yo, you know, let me hold something, you know, to paper, Well, let me hold something, you know. I tried. I tried to tell him about them. He's like, yo, let me

hold something. And I tried to tell him, you know, talk to him about stocks and bonds and ship like that. He was like, yo, may tell me some stock. Let me hold something. Stocks and bos. So that reminds me of that, like at a point at some you're not you. You only can understand it when you're ready for it.

You did not ready for it, and a lot of times, you know, and That's true with music too, because you can do music and put it out there and people just don't understand it and it flies over their head and they catch it later. You know what I'm saying. Sometimes that happens to whoever seen I'll perform before raise your hands. God damnit, it should be more people raising your hands, let me say so. At one point in this show, he takes off his shirt just get every

woman a flower and they're super wet. You could just tell because the heads just like are you Like that's the goal? And you know, I'm so, I'm a kid. I'm eighteen nineteen years Chris like, he's like, yo, you gotta go, you gotta follow. I'm like, all right, cool, and I'm doing it. They're all on private planes. It's okay. I'm getting there, is okay. I'm still happy and I'm like al and al. It's like he knocked none of

them down. Yeah. I couldn't believe it, Like yeah, person, I was like yeah, yeah yeah, and you so content and now you can't handle I live, Like, do you approve my lifestyle? The seven You ain't judging the lands toe that's ever gonna judge you as me? No, I still need you to prove my life to say I

approve this message. I lived ten years behind you because you know my I got holloween in my closet, saw all type of bones and tosstoons, type of away from that risk boons fine spine hanging over the closet door school albo Man. I gotta ask you this, this, This is not for the for the podcast, This is not for anything. This is because I sincerely respect cool I

love Cooj. I looked up to al COJ. But you did kind of crushed cannabis career early and I never knew why, like me personally, like why no, I don't know, I know the industry answer why. I mean, you know, the real disrespect you in the session? What happened because you're a queen's nigger and I respect what respect it?

What happened? You know? Um? I mean the real honest answer is that, you know, one day, you know, we was I was on my way to student and it came up to me and you know, and you know my you know, uh, because it was a little taller than me. It was a little taller than me a little bit, so you know, he walked up and he was like yo, you know yo, your tattooed man like

your tattoo, and we get one like that. I said, Now, I mean, you know you gotta get your own, you know, you know, I didn't understand that, like nictally, like I didn't understand that your own joint, Like I didn't really know. I just didn't understand it. Like it was no disrespect. I was like, you got your own, don't get one like that. And then it's something we had that conversation when I got when I went in and heard his boss, he said, is that a mic on your all? Let

me baw that? And I just like was like, I just did not understand. I just yeah, I couldn't understand it. I just like, okay, and that was it. Take me from that moment he already had. Isn't you that you already had your version? Then you changed? Is that? No, that's not the truth is I went in, I heard what he said, and I responded to the ship, that's the on your record. I didn't take him off. I was too ignorant for that. A smart guy, you know, jay Z, would have took him off the record. Let

it smart. I was an idiot. But you have ignorant. I'm gonna tell you I'm at that time, I was king around and said, now this is some reason and he said, norry, do you know what's going on? But I'm acting like I'm done. I'm like, no, l L is battling cannabis. And told him, just looking at him, my mind, I know what's going on, and I'm like

where he's like, y'all. But then yeah, but see, the thing is what people don't know is that I you know, after that I saw him cannabis and after crust his career, well, no, no, I saw him and I said, yo, And he was debating about putting a song about me out. I said, yo, don't. I went to him, I said, Yo, you know what, Okay, it happened on the record. I And first of all, nobody's gonna know if you don't make a record. I said, that's the first thing I never knew. And now that's

a very important party. I told him this. So you're saying before before before reaction record came out, I met with him. I didn't know that. I said, yo, I said, don't put no record. Nobody's gonna know. Just leave it. And you know, I got a little high hand. It's between us to leave. He said, I don't know if I don't put it out out of the politics, and I'm like, and I'm like, you know, and then the black clefts over in the corner, and then the betting

and ship. You know, now now I love, it's all good. But then he put the record out. And then you know, then because I told him, I said, Yo, let's just do a record together. You know what I mean, Yes, I said that. I said we should have did a red let's just do a record together. We could, you know, because I didn't really want the drama, but you know, it is what it is, you know. And then I, you know, I just responded and that was it, you know,

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Because it seems like I'll you might not start it, but you definitely finished well, I said, I said on the record, I said, I'm only eight team, making more of your pops. And he felt offended by that, making more than your pops. And he was offended because he

thought it was the wrong message because I was making more. Well. No, no, he thought I was sending a bad message to two young kids out there like I was, because you know, looked when I coming up, when I was growing up, you know, sixteen seventeen eight, like seventeen eighteen nineteen, I was always with Rich Porter. I was always with Alpo and a Z and my man Big Chuck for Mount Vernon took me with them. So that's who I used to be always hanging up with. I would be on

one three two, and you know, always uptown. Not not fat Cat even though he was from Queens. I know Prem and I knew you know, the Fatatto brothers and all of them. I knew, I knew them. But I was like to make no sign out I was. I was. I was a short So when I like, when I knew the Fotatles, they was giving me warm champagne. Like, hey man, you begging for champagne, you know what I mean. But when I started hanging out with Chuck, yeah, the champagns.

It's not I don't take it person gonna make you know. So when I you know, when I used to hang with with you know, without Pole, and when Chuck would take me around and hang without Po and Azy and Rich and all of them, and Black just used to come a little later. M he rest in peace. Um, you know, I just came up, you know, in a different you know, thought process, you know what I'm saying. And I just tried to do things right, you know

what I mean, that's all. Basically, did you know Benny was the biggest drug dealer in Queens when he was hanging with him at one point? I'm sorry, I'm sorry. I know Ben was my man, you know what I'm saying. I hung with them, you know, you know the whole time, you know, I was, and some of his initial escapades. But you know what the thing is about that, what people have to understand about that is that, first of all, we don't want to glorify that because it's not cute.

We do not um and it's a tough life and it destroys lives. And most of the guys that are really doing it for real, which a worman okay, and the ones that are really successful at it, I really wish they were successful at something else, anything else. It's a horrible way to live, okay, And we confront ack like it isn't, but it is. It's a very tough way to live, alright, because I've seen it firsthand for real, and but you know it. It taught me a lot though,

and learned a lot. You know, I forgot the point I was trying to make because I was no because you know why, you know, I'm telling you the point just trying to make because at one point, oh so, basically he thought that I was glorifying that lifestyle. When I said so, he wanted to, you know, be conscious about that. But what he didn't understand is that you know that I'm an eighteen year old young man and I don't know anything else but this, you know, growing

up in the hood, I'm just throw yeah. But when you're growing up in the hood and I see a car drive by, that's all I know. It ain't and I see a guy how he gets it, That's all I know. It's not about I'm not even thinking about right and wrong and consequences and ruining my life. And you don't even think on that level. That doesn't even come into your brain. The only thing you think is I'm here, and the money's there, and where do I gotta go to get it? That's all you really think about.

Now when you're older, you get in your thirties, your late twenties, and you know, maybe before you can start reflecting and kind of cleaning up your life. So I think he had the right attention, but that the problem was that he wasn't merciful and understanding that I was a young kid. And this is always thinking now on the MC level. You know, you know, I've never shot away from trying to snap somebody's head off. You know, I feel like the battle now, I feel like it's

feeling right now. I felt like he was gonna beat up Charlemagne recently. What happened? You know? My think, No, No, my thing. My thing with Homie is, you know, you know he he likes to get on the radio and bully people. You know what I'm saying. I don't like bullies, me neither. You know what I'm saying, I really don't like bullies. And you know, I understand he's a small guy.

I get that. But the bully thing didn't work for me, and I felt like he was picking on me and undermining my my, my, my brand and my my my, my five you know what I'm saying. But I wasn't gonna go up there and do the baby thing. I just told him. Look, I just told him, listening when you got me, let me do that. I love baby, that's my man. But I wasn't doing that. I'm not gonna go to your show, your show, why you make money. We're not doing that. And by the way, that's the

most view. I'm sure, I'm sure, but my thing was, Look, you know, I said, look, let's just box a charity. You know, I give uneople up now, but I was agen for charity, not when you're boxing for I'm gonna be honest with you. I don't be honest with you. Nobody want to box that I didn't want to. You don't know, I don't look, I don't want I'm not. I have no problems with him. I wish from the best. Just leave me alone and don't pick on me. Just don't pick on I don't like to get you. You know,

everybody watching this pocket no, I can't. I don't plan everybody in hip hop, you know, I don't get carried away. But there's some crazy one. But everybody watching this podcast don't bully, don't be bullies, and don't pick on people.

Because that was my only problem with And you felt like he was picking on yeah, because he's always got something to say, like he doesn't understand, Like I give you an example, like, you know, everybody was mad at me, and I understand their point of view, but everybody was mad at me about you know, the whole accidental racist record. You know what I'm saying. And that was a big conversation.

And they thought, you know or else, you know, aiding in the betting of us forgetting slavers verse your verse saying the change. Yeah, they didn't. So what they didn't understand is that, you know, now fast forward and look at the shape the countries in, and you think about what me and him was attempting to do. It was the logical, but looking where to shape the country's in? Now you did. People at that point thought that I was out of my mind for talking comparing a do

rag to a Confederate flag. But now you're seeing little brothers get shot down every day because of the outfits. Whether it's a hoodie. It may not be a do rag, but maybe it's a hoodie with tray Von, maybe some sagging jeans. Maybe it's a brother outside of SUV getting shot down. That's the thing I was talking about. I was trying to humanize us. I would never suggest that we forget our history. That's absurd, it's ludicrous. But you gotta be willing to Like, I'll give you another example.

Like people is mad at me what I said? Oh r I p Robert E. Lee. I hate he I can say that Robert R. I p Robert E. Lee. They hated me. He was a general in the Confederate Army. Yeah, I understand how people feel. But when that when that racist dude ran up in that church and he shot up all of those people and that black church down south, and then those black people got together and said, you know what, you know, we're praying for him, and we forgive him and we want to send love to him.

The country helped them in high esteem because they were able to get beyond their emotions and see the bigger picture. And that's what I was trying to show people, you know what I'm saying. But it took four years and all of these people dying by the hands of of corrupt police, because not all police are corrupt, you know what I mean, but dying by the hands of some of these corrupt policemen and dying at the hands of

in the wrong way. For people don't understand that what I was saying and what me and Brad would attempting to do was very real, you know what I'm saying. But that's why the whole they laugh at you, then they ignore you, then they fight you, then you win things true because they laughed at us. Then you know that's and now everybody was laughing at us. You know,

but then when you and then they ignored us. But now look at what's going on now, they're trying to fight that same they're trying to promote those same vibes, those same values that we talked about. So you know, that's about the courage. That's about art. You know, that's what art does. It provokes people. You know what I'm saying. I just want to say to you if you don't know how much you appreciate it in the hip hop, no, but I appreciate hip hop. No, But listen, let me

just tell you something. If it wasn't for L cool J, there wouldn't be a NAS. It wasn't for Nas, there wouldn't be a mob Deep. It's for a mob deep, there wouldn't be a component Oriega. So me personally, I want to look at you, face to face, out of man and man and tell you how much that not only queens because when our queen's is limited, even though queens we won the world. For that from queens, even though even queens we won the world. But it's pretty funny.

I did hear that. I did hear ki me. I had a condo around the corner from his from his rich for twenty years. Got damn it, A ponder around the truck, Got damn it. I'm not gonna lie. I was just close to buying the condo next in his building because it's it's cost effective, of course effective. But you came one day I'm shooting a black money video. Yeah, the most disrespectful record on my album. And I call for al COO J to come through and l CUJ

comes through. My motherfucking so. I always love your music. No, no, I always loved your music. I always felt your music. You know what I'm saying, what all of that you know? I mean you introduced the world to the Neptuns and all that. I mean you put that you know you po But I met for real because of you. I can't shouldn't meant for real. And that's when I did love you better than I ended up ultimately doing, love you better than Americas. But you know you, You've done

a lot. You know you're an important person what we're doing. That's why the podcast is so successful. I've been watching it, but watching episodes and with CBS and me and e fam we got some deals that bring you. I got to cover, I gotta got cover. That got a lot of stuff. Yeah, yeah, I got something. And the lip Sync Battle. Yeah, was that your idea or what that

was somebody else? Well, the idea came from John Krasinski and Steve Merchant and they brought it, you know through I don't know who they are, but they sound ready now it came to us and uh, basically you know, but I owned the format along with my partners, and we've sold a format and over a hundred fifty countries around the world, and we have like a partnership with like Carnival Cruises, and uh, you know, the app is starting to grow now and really doing well, the lip

Sync Battle app, and uh, I mean the show and we've also, um, we have different versions of the show around the world. So like in Tiland, it's like a you know, would be a tie host doing the lip Battle, and we just did like in Ukraine, and we did a deal in Russia, and we did a deal you know in China. We just did a big deal in China for for lip Sync Battle. So that thing is global and then you know what people don't know it's with like n C I s l A also have

a vested interest in the show. I'm not just an actor on the show. I haven't. That's the guy and and that's in two hundred countries around the world as well. You know what I'm saying. So it's it's you know, it's really going on. It's going on. Listen. I'm not gonna lie. When I looked at hip hop, right, I was tired of hip hop. I was just tired. Like I mean, I loved it, I still want to make it. I couldn't God bless her dad. After Chris Lidy died, I couldn't actually attack it the way I wanted to

attack it. So I said, let me just think of something else. And all I did was look at you. I looked at you and said, what the fund is l doing? L Because are you in shape? I'm not. I wasn't in shape. Yeah, you said you're good. Now you're a little I'm a little. Okay, you look like you know you're doing handstead something. Watch your Instagram Buttram kill me. But I and I said, what can I do to do something else other than the hip hop? Because music just gets boring even if you're making money.

Music is just just boring now. But you know what, let me tell you something. I don't. I don't feel that way. I think my thing is I just never limit myself. And like I said, if you have more than one talent, you should utilize them all. You know what I'm saying. Um, if you're a Dion Sanders and you can play baseball and football, play both. Um, you know, music is not off the table for me. You know, I'm not telling you that I'll never make another record.

It's just right now, you're gonna make another record right well, right now, my priority is entertaining. We're trying to great business movie, great movie. I'm sorry, certain its beautiful. So I'm not saying this entertaining. But you know, you gotta you gotta try different things. You gotta you know, you gotta move, you gotta you know what I'm saying, Like make things happen and not be like afraid to like

fall back for a second. Like I'm not afraid, Like I don't feel like you know, if I if I make a song, it'll be like I never left because after the record go off because into deep Yeah this movie, oh yeah, that was yeah, that was just stuck a poll stick up a nigger. Yeah, eight ball back pocket. I didn't know aly eight ball too. I just didn't sick. I'm sorry, I didn't know. You want to you went, you went in. You do. Don't worry. I don't worry

the videos, you know, the movies and so out. Yeah, it's all when it comes to the movies, I don't limit myself with the characters, whatever role it is. You know, Um, I'm not above any roller, below any rollers. If if I respond to the role and I feel like it's something good, I'll do it. Right now, I'm playing Sam Hanno and nciss Angeles is a lot of fun. We're going into next season. Didn't you put out your gun?

Very professional that But let me turn I can tell you learn now he's talking about get hitting them at all, you know. Yeah, I went down to like Camp Penalton and train with like the Marines and the Special Apps guys, the Sailors down. Um, you know, hung out with a master gunner restager from the Marines who told me a lot of I went to swat school. You know it did a lot of let's go back to yeah, yeah, yeah, he got no he stuck. He's sticking again. Yeah, well

yeah that sucked me up. And we're like, yeah, knew you. I was good. What would down like? God, I'm like, oh my god. He was like, yeah, that's a brutal scene. And if you haven't seen it too deep go check it out. It's a brutal scene. Is a brutal scene. Yeah. But going back to music real quick, you're one of the first New York artists to kind of be bi coastal when you worked with poo L A Posse and

on them. How did that come about? Um? Basically what happened was, you know at that time, you know, after my first album, Rick Rubin left Jeff Champ and uh, we we're trying to figure out what my next move was gonna do be because he produced my first album, the whole first album. Yeah, yeah, we did the whole

first album together. Um it was his first album to first full album, and um, so after that and he can't just say that nothing make no. Yeah, so after that, Volt cameras, you gotta start flapping to clapping too, I understand, but volt cameras, you gotta clap to it. I'm sorry, youtubeat guy all right, terrible terrible side. So now so you know, uh, you know, I went and Russell had heard you know, the L A Posse because they had made some records that he felt was in the zone

to introduced me to him. I met Bob kat Um, big up to Bob, you know from L A l As you know l ast Red Wasn't wasn't the radio who myn My first album was Radio. My first song was I Need to Beat. My first song came out four it was I need to Beat. Then I had I was born in seventy seven. YEA, well, thank you giving my child. Then the second one came out like eighty five. The album came out like eighty five, and then it went from there. But the second album came

out around eighty seven. But the first albums on that jam. It was on Yes This is c Rock. It's Yours was on Death Jam Productions. It was an imprint on Street on Party Times Party Time Records, and was Death Jam Productions. And and Rick was having problems. Him and Russell weapon problems getting the money from Party Time for the Yours record, so they decided to start their own label.

And and I was the flagship artists, and we made the first alum and I actually you know, first I know I owned a piece of death Jam as well, and I sold it. Yeah yeah, I sold it back to them. Yeah we didn't know that. Yeah. But the first record was radio radio on Rock the Bell's Radio. All of that was on first record. Yeah, and they wentn't got to deal with when when you got to deal with no, no, no, CBS, CBS Yeah, Columbius, we got CBS right here in the CBS. Yeah. Yeah, you

know queens Nick is getting money with CBS. Yeah, it certainly. Can you put me there's This is what I want. I want you to describe back in the days, because it was so rough walking down Jamaica as I mean, I mean, listen, people think it's rough walking up to make an app and two thousand and seventeen, they have no idea what it was in the eighties and the mzingies. Can you describe? It was like every any piece of clothing that you had on that was moldy, moldy or

remotely valuable was like asking people to rob you. Like like if you have to be at gazelles or you won't buy somebody your gazelles would say to them, excuse me. It was like the gazelles. We're talking. If you have seemed skinning, be like, hey, I don't seen this thing. Come up and get me rock please, he said, come on please. It was crazy. It was crazy and listen crazy described to people. Listen, let me describe to the

rule because one day Nas has told me. He said, one day, me and Nas just kicking it, be talking and now I said, he came to Left Wrack and he was like, he came to Left Frack. He was like, I can't believe the amount of respect that nobody don't bother you here. And I was like, my hud, he said, do you imagine what al Who went through in those days? Mind you, we had no facts. But remember remember you know, you know I was hanging with you know, the guys

I was hanging with. The guy isn't really having a lot of problems, like you knows, throw through color. I never heard your room, right, Yeah, you know, you know we told you was I was. I was with guys that were so official and thorough in the street that you know, you know, I mean, I wasn't having those issues, you know, and um, and I wasn't looking for me because you know what I've learned, I don't. I never, I never in my life have tried to be a

tough guy. And I never hung around gangsters and tried to act like I was one, because that's how you get yourself in trouble. Just be who you are. Just be yourself, you know what I mean. And so I never had a lot of issues. I had a few fights, and you know, I grew up fighting, you know, I wasn't, you know, having shootouts. We could tell you you fight, you know a couple of people. You know. I had a dumb moments. I'll tell you a funny story when

I was a little kid, just a little mischief. So when I was a little kid, you know, when it was snow outside, we decided it was a good idea, you know, take like nana to take rocks and send the blocks and cover them with snow and then throw them at cars like I don't ask me while the right was breaking, you know what. So one day, one day, I mean my grandmother's yard, not to throw a goddamn big gass rock with snow around it, because you know

the car's not gonna stop. They say, Oh, look at the little kids with snowballs, and then like stright, why didn't you know we were? So we was in there week A man came around the corner and I was looking over there, and I've seen the window rolling town like that. All I see was little flashing lights. You always running. I hate behind a snow mount. Did you hear me? Snowmas snowman bullets were fun the joint about snow mound. And then I like ran fell down another basement. Yea, yeah,

he was flashing lights. Was the gun going on? You know what I mean? Flashing lights? The lights? And I like rent and you know how the when he's the basement windows got that that, I don't know what you know, it's like a you know, it's like a thing down I think in the house for the so you can open the basement window. So I found out he had told my ankles up and all that. So I had a little mischief in my life a little bit, but for the most part, I stayed out of trouble, you

know what I mean. And I'm sorry to bring this up, but I have to bring it up. We all was managed by violator management. We all was under the tutelagit I don't know if that's a word, but you know what I mean, it is of Chris. Lady, I asked fifty cent this, I asked all violated artists when they come on here, like how did it? Because it affected me?

But first of all, I love Chris deeply, and his daughter Tiffany is a good difference to my my my kids, and she's at the household the time, and uh, you know she hangs with my wife and hangs with the kids and all that. Um. First of all, Chris and my relationship was a little different from probably yours and fifties because Chris got in the business after me, so we had a different You was already and yeah, I was already, So you know, we had a different type

of relationship, you know. And um, you know, we were friends and we were you know, I looked at you know, we looked at each other's counterparts. And he managed me. He did he made a lot of things for me. But our relationship, you know, was, um, what you think, what you think, Let's get X, let's get wild. Like I remember when he was interning the Death Cham and

stuff like that. But the thing I remember most about Chris is that he was a really, really, really really small guy, and he was a good dude, and he wasn't soft like I remember Chris used to let me in the tunnel when he was a bodyguard. At the tunnel. Chris used to do security security and he would be outside. I heard he was running the tunnel security. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, you know he was christ Christmas. Chris was. You know, he may have been involved in the business aspects too.

But when I seen Chris, he had a bulletproof vessel on outside the door. And I never liked Mr Smack. Come on in, Yo, he said, you know, he's like a good fellow. You know, he was a gamester. You know, Christmas, he was a real guy. I'm glad I met him. Later he was, Yo, I'm telling you, but I mean all of you, all of the people you know, like I'll tell you just to switch games for a minute.

Like Leo. The first time I met Leo. Leo was a promoter in l A And when I met him, he came to pick me up from the airport because I had a show where he was a promoter. Promoter when a loss like Los Angeles and the driver's door didn't open, I mean the passenger door and open you had to get in the car through the driver side, both of us, and we drove and he was telling me how we're gonna change hip hop. And let me tell you something. He was prophetic though, because everything he

talked about came true. But he was very much you know, I mean, this was a guy that was walking around with you know, no lasers and the sneakers, you know, behind chasing behind jam as the jam joining his mouth, you know what I'm saying. Like he was a real like Like he wasn't this the corporate titan that he ultimately became. But I always had respect for him because Leo is the one who made the deal. C I

owned my whole catalog. You still from the beginning I own my catalg I didn't, but I owned it ultimately with my deal. You know, when I got to a certain position with def Jam, I did a deal where I owned my catalog. Right. Leo is the one that did that deal. So I have to always respect Leo for that because you know, he didn't have to do it.

They were trying to figure out how to make a deal that was rich enough for me to want to stay, and you know, at the same time, they wanted to come up to a certain number, but not to go beyond that. So you know, I said, well, you know, give a catalog, and I said, okay, we worked that out and we got the catalog. So def jam has a really small interest in my catalog. I own it. And so when you hear ll Cool Jason Mamas all that life, when you ll Ma Callie Mama, yeah, yeah,

Mama said yeah. So when you hear my my records and movies and on TV and stuff, I've licensed that. You know, anytime you hear ll cool j Song, LLL has licensed it. That's another goal I'm gonna take out to you. Yeah, you know, but let me tell you so, let me be, let me be transparent. The reason the reason I'm sharing this is because I don't think the hip hop community understands a lot of the things that you know, I've been doing in my career. I think

that it's been kind of a mystery. And I never was a guy that like as my publicist to get me in Forbes. I've never been the guy who really um went out of his way to try to market

myself as smart. And I just never did that because I came from over a pure place and just wanting to rock the mic, you know, and it was never like I give you another thing, like there was this whole room of back in the days that ll cool J. You know, he's upset because he didn't become the president of Death Champ, which is can I can I just say something like I can't even describe to you how ultimately and utterly ridiculous that is. And let me sway to you what why would look? I'm I'm I wanted

you to be there. Do Michael Jackson want to be the president of Motown? Like I ain't confirmed, I don't relate to Michael. I didn't I want I never wanted that. I wanted to make music. See people wanted to get a budget from you. But the thing is, the thing is I just always I just wanted to be an artist, Mari, Like I'm not ashamed of being a rapper, like I don't. I don't need to. I don't need to convince you that I'm more than a rapper, Like I'm okay with that.

So when that's all I wanted, All I want to do is be a rapper and be the best rapper, Like that's what I grew up wanting to do. So, I mean, actually something right as a rapper, when you hear the stories like the Little Wayne right, where Little Wayne is getting maybe taking advantage of we don't really know, we already know what we see. There's nothing, you know what, let me tell you something. There's there's nothing that Little

Wayne did wrong, and I'll tell you. I'll tell you why, because like I told you, I owned my catalog and I told you that ultimately I got a great deal. But you know what, if Russell was the worst piece person in the world, he could have easily taken advantage of me. He could have easily gave me one of those boso deals that you hear nightmares about. But you know what, Russell wasn't that kind of guy. You know what I'm saying. I mean, you know, early on we

did my publishing fifty fifty. Ultimately I got all my publishing back, of course, but early on it was like that. But even then with my first contract, he only went fifty fifty. He didn't take it all. So so a lot of that. A lot of times when you hear about guys with bad deals, that says more about the executives that they were dealing with than the actual artists.

It's not about them being dumb, it's not about them being them because you know what, some guys, I'll give them credit, like some of the guys, you know, like I told you, I hung around a lot of street guys, but I wasn't That's not who I was, right, I

wasn't a hustler personally. Those were just my friends. But so some guys who are actually hustlers and hustlers and actually had that life, they get to benefit from all the experiences that they had hustling, so when they come into the game, they're able to make better deals earlier. But some of us, because we weren't hustlism because we didn't experience, you know, getting cheated and screwed and scammed.

We didn't. We were just innocent kids rapping. We may have been from a rough community, but were really just innocent kids who love the rhyme. And so when you go in and you sign your deal, it's not the greatest deal in the world because you're just excited to be there. Then you don't have that maturity and that grit and that you know, that grizzle that allows you to you know, make a better deal early so some of these guys did benefit. There were benefits for some

of them. Some benefited, something didn't. But I don't blame any of these younger artists. You know. Now, what I would say is that now the internet, because the Internet wasn't what it was, Well, there's access to information. You have information out there, so you gotta want the information. You gotta want to make a great deal. Do you want to make a great deal? Are you patient? Do you have the balls to say no? Because are you

comfortable saying no? That was a crazy thing is when when Death Jam we got their self together, I asked them like bringing back l and they never asked my question. Well they do, but but you know, to be to be fair, your death Jam is Leo Kevin Russell Simmons. I'm asking what it is is that you know? Look, you know, when you're young and you don't know how to play the political game, you rub, you can rub people the wrong way like you are the deaf Jam.

But but you don't rub nobody the wrong No, no, no, But you can't like what I'm saying, sickly is that man like you know, nobody's perfect. Man, I don't you know, I don't begrudge those guys nothing, because you know the resistance that I you know, you know, pressure makes diamonds, man, you know it could bust Pipce, but it makes diamonds. So the resistance that that I felt and the little things that they did just encourage me to go out there and do something greater, you know what I'm saying,

and just do something and being master. Oh now, if I drink another bottle of Roads, you know we might fly. I'm gonna be honest, yo, I have never been a man more than I was the man when I had you come to my hood. Now, I had you listen this day. I had camera come to my hood. I had Jim Jones come to my hood. I had run DMC come to my hood. I had everybody come to my hood. But the one thing that everybody said was like, we're not going inside. L was the only person said

I'm going inside. And I'm looking at you like you said you said, I'm want you. I'm good now. I love my people, But I still feel like you don't feel like you don't really realize. No, no, let me give you a project. I have to do it. I still don't feel like you realized how much that you meant to people in Queens. Now, if it's my partner, he's from Miami, he's born in l A. He might have a whole totally different thing. But for us in Queens, there was no other nigga that we wanted to be.

I mean, nas, I mean, I remember one time me and Fat Joe we had an hour and a half conversation or who means more to him? L L to him or to me? I feel like gonna be that's the first time's gonna fight. I said, Fat, Oh, you can't claim al you're from the Brons. I gotta stop love. In fact, Joe was like, what my default? You don't love him as much as I love him my default? And he just didn't like I'm talking about we seriously arguing. I found that this argument happening six times. That's crazy

and it's a blessing man. But that's that's how real hip hop. This is what drink Champs is about. I don't know if you know a drink Champs is about giving the stars flowers when they could smell them, and give them trees when they could inhale them. Yeah. Yeah, because every other genre, every other music when these people become icons, the classics, they support them. Why doesn't hip hop have that platform? Well, you know, no, you don't have this. You're doing it. You don't get smart on

me smart you're drinking drinking, y'all listen. L L koo J came a left rack City and I'm gonna be honest. I was so embarrassed because I was like, I was like, yo, you know when you need to walk through, you walk through. I was like, I hope a crackhead and Pete and it was mad and I'm looking at him. I'm like, this Nick is gonna leave. Don't know, Well, he didn't smell the bead, he didn't see the bess that I

don't know. I don't know. But not only that, You're not only filmed the video, you actually came and chilled in Capone's van Fantastic and we started watching the remember, and you actually, like people got to really understand how cool because you know why we put you on a pedestal in Queens and we should you deserve that pedestal and you should stay in that pedestal. But at the same time, people should understand how cool you are, how down the earth you are, how how you your say anybody?

You know what, man, even no matter what I'm doing in my life. You know, I always tell people you know, I'm in Hollywood, but I never went Hollywood. You know what I'm saying. And um, you know, keep talking. Okay, I'm like whatever, you know, to take the cameras he's taking. Um, So you know that was the thing. You know, this is a funny moment, right, but you know that was the thing. You know, that was the thing for me.

You know what I'm saying. Whatever happened to creative man, Um'll take the opportunity here now, ja ja, Phil Potter is my man, you know what I'm saying. Um, we just I just felt like creatively I wanted to stretch a little bit and try some new things. But that he's always my friend. He's still my friend. We speak UM and he does like Tom join up, he does different cruise, he does different parties. You know what I'm saying. He's still working. Yeah, yeah, he's still working. You know.

But I've been using z Trip you know what I mean. Z Tripp has been you know, DJ. Z Trip has been DJ and for me for Damn featuring Man. Yeah, that was crazy. Remind me the five heartbeats and some ship. But now he's good. I'm looking with z trip for about almost ten years. Yeah, yeah, that's my men. Know what I'm saying. That's been like a vibe. Listen, I'm gonna be honest. When you walk through my hut and come right back on and like that, that's that's how happens.

But I'm not gonna lie. I watched my my nephew was here. You gotta relax. I was talking about you in theory, your homie in the video. I was talking about your theory. I didn't know you, but it meant so much to our hood. It means so much of our neighborhood when you came out. Because we've been to Farmers.

We understand what Farmers is, the red block, the red, black and green rock, how crazy Farmer's Boulevard is like from back then, I see a lot of people don't like Farmers is almost gentrified now almost a little bit. Got a whole fools. You gotta hope. Listen. Now they still got to you know, na, hell, no old fools over there. But it ain't it once you got a whole fool. I don't think it's a whole fools over there.

I feel like places you're gonna juice the ball. You gotta juice spats over now that Jamaicans is running it. That was Maican, always Jamaicans and then a dress spot now queens at not Farmers ain't gentrified, but you know it's a beautiful community. It may not people may have may not have a lot of a lot of money, but they got a lot of dignity and they want to you know, they want to make something better for their families and they want to have a life, you

know what I'm saying. And that you've got a mountain pot of people. You got Haitians, you got Jamaicans, you got Dominicans, you got you know, people you know from all different you know, just like all in that community. It's a beautiful I think it's a beautiful place. You know so well, my friend's staff staff is from Farmers, right, Okay, can we ask him if there's a whole fools because I'm really not sure. No, he's crazy, he's taking I

can't even talk, but I love him. I went to Google sto, I went to barn didn't go to like people was like, oh my god, why are you going in, but steppers from farmers boulavar So. I used to go to farmer's bulbar. I used to sit on the brock. I just sit on it as a chap. Oh that's crazy. But this then then you came out and I was like, oh my god, I got killed. Yeah, that area now it's you know that area has been so because definitely it's like all the any other No, no, no, Brosten,

that's what we're doing. When Irish one shot them on non sent five shots would listen. I would take fifty, took ninety, took more than that. How actually take five? Okay, take fifty took shots is crazy at the I mean thank you out together the way I want to make you because he got up to fit. That's my man, that's my man. But I don't drink though, I don't drink like that. Now I drink occasionally, but now I don't drink like that occasions with you like drink champs.

I'm in a podcast called drink Chips. How can I sit here and drink and drink? An let me use some more champagne. You want to think good? I'm good to take a shot already we had to pay a press of talking, ready to drink the house. We had carols. We had had a million ties. No caras had a million time. I can't lie if hannabis had a million caress one man go back to cannabis because I just want I just want you to. I just want you to understand how you destroyed the man's career. But it

was dope. I mean, but he can't him out at the Barclay Center when I did the concert. But he's already bro. But put my arm around him and brought him out there. I did. I feel like it was too late. You crushed him too late late, baby. But in your mind, in your mind, you said, I gotta cross this little nigg But why did you do that? Because you know why defending myself because he was he was he was like computer literate at this time when nobody else he was the only nigger righting rounds on

a computer. And I had a session with him and I said, what is he doing? He wrote around on I didn't like it pre personally, but you you acted on that. You ain't like it. HI five for being patty. Let's make some yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I got some petty pills I'll take a petty pill every now. Ike petty pill. You're taking a petty pill every now and the take a petty pill every day, not every day. I don't take it every day, you know, I try to do my you know, they h they go lower.

I go and the petty bills just in case. It's definitely a little bit to go out with that. I'm a thought to cloudy behind because I wish I wis showing me the best though, you know, I don't want to see anybody have it exactly what I'm saying, because you know, some people, they don't understand that when you crush the person career like, you actually crush their life. Do you are you ever like? Because you know, Komo d has never had a hit record since you you

slaughtered him? White white white, white white white. What do Let's you never had to hit record after you dissed him. I'm just doing that. Yeah, that's a Now you know, man, listen, man his decisions. You gotta make your own decisions. He gotta make decisions decisions. You know, you get you know, you get to the crossroads. You gotta pick right or left. Now you cross these people career, can you say something nice for them. No, no, nothing, not nice, but say

something the reason why? Because why did I do what I did? Very simple? Please, I'm making me I'm making very easy for you. My thing is this, you know, this was my feeling. My feeling is, you know, I have a fan base. I have people that you know, look to me and enjoy my music and celebrate my art. If you come out talking about you know, me in the fire way and trying to undermine me, you're trying to get in my pocket and you're stepping on my toes and you're in the way, and I gotta get

you out of the way immediately. And that's why that was my thinking on And Mama said, not you out at a Minimumum, listen, listen makes dammit, I could be your story. I'm so sorry. I was. That was it. That was and and and then but Cannabis, I just felt like no, because you know what, I don't mean. I noticed my nephew relaxed, Relax. Why are you having me? I want to ask ask some song already you have

to fight it song with Jamie Fox like that. Any given Sunday, I've seen that, I've seen that movie yesterday. I don't know why. This is why God is good. I'm like, I can't sleep because you know why I still listen Petty Pills, just keep you up. I can't s Petty, I can't sleep. Let me tell you, let me tell you. Listen when when now my interview an artist, I want to give them the most respect ever, because

because hip hop should be a celebration. I sat down with Leo Colins the other day and he said, the reason why you're winning because this is going to be you know, you are actually celebrating it. It's don't looking at I'm looking right. And then again in Sundays on my TV, so I look at it and in mind you, I forgot I had did like two or three songs for it. So I'm like, oh, my visions business. But

then I'm looking and I'm like damn. And then when you and um Jamie Fox actually interacted and me hearing the room was I'm actually looking at it like this is great cinema. This is really great cinema, Like this is actually now I'll tell you what happened, tell us what happened. We don't know what really happened. You know the real story is that I am you know when we were doing the scene. You know, I think you know, Jamie, although he was experienced to someone, he was still a

little green. I wasn't quite as green, but I was green too, and you know, you know what I mean and experience, you know what I'm saying. So hum we were doing the scene, I was being aggressive one. I was like, yo, you gotta, but this is character to character. I'm like, yo, you gotta, you know, and I'm seeing that we talking about or he did something like that. I did the huddle after and I'm like, yo, you gotta, and I'm slapping the shoulders and this and that and

you know, yeah, okay, but he's got equipment on. It's not like you know, like you know, he's got a quick it on. You know, yo yo yo. So he got up setting and he's like, yo, you know me so rough with me. So I was like, you know, that didn't compute. So I don't know. So we did another take and I was rough with him again, and then you know, I don't know why, but you know, he thought it was a good idea to punch me in my face. Not in the script. No, it wasn't

the script. No, this wasn't a scripting. No, no, I'm keeping hunting with you. You want me to keep it, hunt it, keep it, I'm gonnaunch. He punched me in my face, so I looked at him. After he pushed me on face, I said, what do you do that? You looked that up pushed me in the face, and I looked at him. I slf I would describe to see. So I said, I feel like L was like that. I fething like that. Not quite. I looked that. I was a little tight. I was tight, you know, I

was giving him tight. I was tight. I was getting him. So I'm like, looked at him. I said, what did you do that? And he said, um, look and he like was turned to the side, his helmet on. He had his helmet on. He was turned to the side. He said, I told you before don't put your hands on me. Period. So yo. When he said that, my left hand grabbed the face mask and as I was pulling his helmet off, my right hand was punching his ship,

you know, like you know what. And then you know he's reading there and I was like, I thought he's faking because he sleeps. Then the whole team jumped on me, right, so they wrestled me down. You know, the whole team are so so so I'm under the huddle and I'm like yeah, yeah, and then somebody tries to reach in and like give me a little eye. Gal, somebody did that right, so oh yeah that was but not a good idea because I turned my head to the side

and he caught us caught his hand. He's like, that doesn't given the whole m m A thing do speak a Yeah, you're gonna give me the leg lock. I'm biting your assick all that leg lock shit, I'm gonna bite to throw it off me like we're gon. We got to get it in like this. The rule is out to the side, and he pulled his hand off the thing and then he finally broke it up. And then and then but but since then, me and Jamie got cool and we have laughed about it. We have

laughed about it. We made songs together like cool. So I don't mind telling the story now. But you know what it is, it's just you know, but you know, Oliver is crazy. Oliver Stone. He had Yeah, he was the rest actually the guy that's actually the sports announcer in any given something. He's actually, yes, that's in there and I'm wrote He's like, he's who wrote scarf Fakes, so tune. You know, he is amazing. So you know, it was just a funny time, you know what I'm saying.

But you know that was the thing. You know, it's just you know, Jamie, you know, he just got off, you know, he was he was on this Willie Beamon and I couldn't take it and all that. But like, you know, you know, because you know, you know, and under the right circumstances, you might let a punch slide. You might. I mean, you know, it's not impossible. Now, everybody's not a straight murderer all the time. Dude hits you.

Under the right circumstances, you'd be like if he would have said to me, like you know, you know, I just I would have been lying. You know, I don't even know if I could took it. Then I take that back, Yeah I could have took it. I couldn't take I couldn't handle because you didn't handle it. You drove me insane. I would have been waking up in the middle of the night just like he played me, like I just couldn't take it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So because you even beat niggas up. But who broke

in your house? The niggas that broke in your house, you pounding them out? Yeah, I don't want to. That's that's a rough one. Note se because the difference with that is that that wasn't funny because I was terrified. Oh worry, we'll half court. I mean, listen, man, if it's one in the morning, you know, and you come down from tell you your segways on the questions. You're very smooth, and it's very attractive. It's very smooth and subtle.

It's a nice thing you're doing because you hook a scene, you get it nice, your baby, you set it out, you see it out, and the nice thing. You know, people are talking this very jelly. That's good. That's good. That's good. Attorney, that's good. That's good. That's good. That's good for me. That's im. Sorry, it's very smooth. I'm so sorry. It was amazing. It was like it was wonderful to watch, you know, because I was amazing. I was saying at me too, like but not when the

dude broke in my house. And difference is that, you know, I have fights growing up, and we've all all of us. I'm sure everybody in this room had fights in the hood and different things you scraped or whatever, But but how many of us have really four or fire lives.

Maybe dudes in jail. You might get that feeling, you know, you did a big you feel like you're fighting for your life, fighting for your life, doesn't It's not the same funny feeling like fighting, like in the whole of just you know, let's get let's get it, you know. I'm like, you know, I'm like like, I'm really this is for keeps, you know, I'm gonna get it in

like whatever. Only read it on TMZ. And so it was one in the morning, and uh, you know, the the alarm pad went off, but it's you know how you have an alarm and like for those of who are have an alarmed, it will give you a minute to put your cold in it'll go and you have to turn your long off with mine just went. And so I went to the keypad, small sleep and I'm looking at the key pad, I'm like, um, family room

And she said family, wasn't it. And so I'm thinking, what you mean when when its telling you with the default is the default? I think that's the word, so, you know, and you know, I'm in my drawers this one in the morning. So I just said, you know what, I'm thinking, it's like my daughter sneaking and you know what, man, I don't know she's coming out. I'm like, don him, yeah, me going out of here and see what's happening. So

I'm just walking downstairs my drawers. I turned the law off, walks downstairs, come down, and when I was going towards the kitchen, he's coming out of the kitchen and then we face the face and he's got all black on. He's got a big bag, he's got the man the lawn manson bid boots, you know, and he's looking at black. No, he's white. He's a white dude. Are you you pounding him out? Me? Oh god, oh god, let's let's go there. Oh god. I mean, you know, it was freaky. It

was freaky. I think, you know, a stupid mother, stupid mother, stupid mother, mother, stupid mother, mother, stupid mother, a stupid mother, stupid everything you get, every stupid mother you get, stop but everywhere. And I was like, you know, and then I you know, I got him down, and then it

took the police about you skipped. You got him down, and now I don't want to but how we rock for a minute and get hit him with that cross fit And when you got your drawers on, that's some real like, that's some real gorilla like man, I feel like you like for the old school dudes. I feel like pent tech. You have my drawers all this ship, you know, no socks. It's like I'm swinging a room. It's like it's made some mind. You want downstairs? You don't. You don't know, you yo yo, you and your drawers

and everything. I don't care. You and your drawers in your house, going to get some juice, drinking out the juice, but like that nobody knows you drink out of the same one you give to all your guess you know, you know. And I just went down in their homes, came out of nowhere and it was just like, you know,

it was turning. He was like, I was like, and it just you know, we just had the rock like and then you know, and I'll tell you the deepest thing though, you know, this is the part that's not fun even, is that there was a point when I had to decide whether or not he should stay alive. And him know, when I had him subdued, because I didn't know if he had anyone else with him, some dude. When I had him, when I had control of the situation, when I had him on the ground, on his back, no,

on his stomach, finished and you know, laying there. I had to make that decision because I didn't know if he had someone upstairs. You know, I didn't know if people were coming from. So I had to think. I didn't have rope available. I'm not planning like you know, you know, lll Max and like I don't have rope

rope around the house. And just as after time, somebody, you know, so I'm like looking at the do and I had to make a decision, you know, you know, and I credit I credit someone because she's like I just just just wait the guy she's calling the cops. She got on the nine on one. You know. I saw my daughter come down the steps and she's like like, what the drawers are I'm like, this is freaky. And

my youngest daughter slept through the whole thing. She had a playmate, she had a playmate or a play date, and she had you know, somebody over the house. They slept through the whole thing, and then her parents was the interesting thing. Her parents called the next like that morning when we woke up, there was like, oh you know, yeah, yeah she can stay. You know, it's no like he's got my daughter like to stay true. Just don't know, she said she. I'm like, yo, they must be having

a really good time. Whenever they're doing, they really going because okay, So that was it. Because again if people telling me you gotta leave, and I gotta respect you because I really love you. But before we get up out of here, I need to know about raised out. She was raised represent Queen, She was raised represent represent Queen. She was raised in Brooken. What about it? I just needed you to break that down. I represent Queen because

Angie Martinez forever, I thought it was about her. That's serious. Not saying the record was about I'm saying she represented that record. She always okay, I'm always I'm not saying that. Let me get up like it's my first step, you know what happened to life? I didn't mean like that, but I mean like because she was oh yeah, yeah, no, no, it's just a record, like you know, that was it was what it was, you know, it was it was funny because you know that was a beat that Richard

had let me hear. It's lights and blinking and don't worry about it. Oh, I thought it was the roll, you know, I just uh that beat. You know, Puffy actually had wanted that beat for Biggie and uh, you know he called me, I want my beat back, not so much. I love you but and I'm no. But you know, Pustle my man and Big understood. You know what I'm saying. It was mine. It was what it was. It was just like you know, you know how producers they play everybody beats and Biggie you know, he really,

you know, God bless him me. He rest in pieces of talented artists. Um, he really had his heart set on that one, you know. But you know that's how it went. Who's your favorite producer? Producer? I'll getting the stupid or what it's say. I mean, it's some amazing producers out there, man, it would be. I mean, give me one, I don't even want to say, man, give me two, I don't even want to say. But yo, it's some crazy producers. Three give me a topers, some

top three, top three? Okay? Um, I think uh, I think Dre is serious. I agree, I think, Um, I think Timberland is serious. And uh I didn't expect that one. Um. You know it's been a while, but you know, Molly was really really serious, you know what I mean in Primo and Premo. You know Premo serious really really I wanted you to say, Molly Mam like yo, yo, listen man,

I you know I love all of these dudes. Man, my son, my son is scared to walk through ye give them five, Give them five and you're revolt TV got damn because this is because this is because you know your people are telling me you gotta go, and I gotta respect your people. Yeah. So, and you know what, because I respect you because if it wasn't for you in a lot of ways, it wouldn't beat me. And I always respect. I respect you too. But I have to ask because I feel like you brought this to

hip hop, the go the greatest of all time. That phrase came from you know, I got it. I got it from Ali. You know what I'm saying. We didn't know that from you know Ali. You know what we're saying, the greatest all time. But I made it to go all time. I think I probably have one of the greatest careers. You know, I think that on any given day, somebody can make a better song. But it's really about a career, um and it's about Yeah, you are the

greatest all time. I appreciated. I feel like, you know, a lot of times, a lot of times you gotta remember that. You know. I don't know, you know, but if I got popped when Mama said knock you out, came out, maybe people would feel different about me. You gotta relax because you want that, you know, you want what I'm saying. What I'm saying like if if something had if I was you know, got shot or was finished up or got done, if somebody didn't, No, I

never received that at all. God No, I don't know if rock him would have went away. What I'm basically saying is that that there is something magical that happens with great artists when they're not here and they get you know, looked at, people grow to appreciate them. But it's magical happening with you right now. What you're being doing TV Blessed Lips, think Battle. We are all sitting bast like everything's all moves. I make hip hop right now,

You had to be hit. But but I wanted to be here and you came here because you hip hop and you and you hip hop. Thank you, thank you out. But I just want you to know that if you never heard it before, even though you brung this um phrase to hip hop, you are the greatest of all time. Thank you. I appreciate it. And what's what's really? You? Alive? I am? I am? I'm truly I am. There's a lot of people were saying it's all time recipes. That's true,

that's true. I rather recipe. I'd much rather be alive in debating it. How about that one we're saying the greatest live in them. You know, we're saying the greatest all the time. Ain't of my role sting for it's time that makes it time. But listen out. We were appreciate you out. I know you gotta go, We know you're on a schedule. We understand everything you do. This is what we do, what our our culture, our society.

Excuse me, everybody up there and be quiet. Our society is about giving our legends flowers when they can smell them, and give them trees when they can in hell them. And because you know why, our culture. When you get the thirty years, you get to forty years, you get to forty five or fifty years, they ride us off. But meanwhile Motley Crew was out there touring meanwhile fucking rolling Stones. And I don't got no beef with them. I don't give myself, but I want to continue to

support our culture. And you know, also what would help that is, you know, if the veteran artists make better decisions and if they value themselves. You know, I am humble, that's true, but I do know my value. No, we know, you know, and I understand who I am. I'm clear about that, and you know my business decisions and the moves that I may reflect that. And you know, you know, I think a lot of our artists, you know, they forget who they are and then you know, they think

that it's about your last hot record. But it's not. It's more than that. It's more than just need their head. It's not everybody be quiet, because I ain't gonna lie. I need to hear you know. It's not it's about your career. It's about you know. That's one of the things Russell told me earlier, is about having a career. You know, I could go out and play, you know, you know, and have fifty sixty seventy thousand people out there. I can go out there and you know, do festivals.

I can go do different things. And I think that, you know, our veterans sometimes they forget that, they forget who they are. They get lost, they get discouraged because they make it about the radio. They make it about only fourteen year olds. They make it about but yeah, yeah, yeah, I gotta television now, you know, destroy me, you know. So I just you know, I just think we just have to know who we are. We gotta believe in ourselves.

You know, I wouldn't. What I would say to you, to all of viewers is that you gotta remember that dreams don't have deadlines, and you gotta remember never to limit yourself. You know. Colonel Sanders started Kentucky for you Chicken at sixty five years old. There are no limits on this thing. You can be successful as long as you want to be successful. You know. Michael Jackson had he he May Rest in Peace, had hot records, he had a sold out world tour coming. He was fifty

years old when he passed. Don't under don't you know overestimate the gift of youth and underestimate the gift of experience. You know what I'm saying because you know, and like I say to all the artists out there, like there's a lot of a lot of people found out when they put their gets on SoundCloud that it's not as easy to make hot shit as you thought them four views? How you like them four or five years? That's that

trip I was not working for you. You know, remember you and you were critiquing my album, but one you said it was trash. You know you got trash because it only way gold? How do fur views feel like? You know what I mean? You know, you know you can? You can you lead the Betty game with me because you know, because when it's like they threw them, It's like if if one thing I will say about hip hop is a funny just a sideball, if hip hop was the NBA, it's like they took the ball and

through it to the stands. It's like a mike, Like we just said, they just threw the audience in the crowd and say y'all do it. So now everybody's you know, because for every chance, who is truly talented and yes, every one of them. There's a thousand of them that didn't do it. So what am I saying? Basically, what I'm saying is there is some skill involved with this and it does take talent, and it isn't luck. We all need a little bit of luck sprinkled in our lives.

But the guys who made it yourself, some of the other artists, you name some of these guys, your favorite rappers and artists, and they are talented. And you know, so what what the Internet has showed us is it's it's given us the opportunity to find out that, guess what, rappers really are talented. These guys really have talent, they

really are artists. Because if that wasn't true, then everybody would be on, Yeah, there's a few hit what one hit one that's here and there, But this thing takes talent, you know. So you know, I think that that's just something that and those old school guys out there, they need to just make better decisions and remember that they're talented and not be not be overwhelmed by this idea

that you're obsolete and irrelevant. This is not you know, when you're thirty five years old, you don't need to keep going back to your prom You know you don't have tell me life like you're going back to the prompt thirty nine exactly. I'll be forty this year, you know, Joan. Really, I'm doing three parties l A, New York and Miami. I love him. Can I have your party one of them? I don't know. I don't know why I threw that in there. I don't know why because I'm trying to.

I mean, how you thinking we got here? You know, I don't believe. Let me tell you something. Really, look around at the life you created. Really, look at this. This is unbelievable. I don't let me tell you something. I love wis capon he Yo, listen. I'm gonna snuff him soon because he told me he's supposed to be it because listen, listen, listen. I don't. I don't. I don't invite him the podcast. But when he hit me earlier and then listen, you know, I lie because I'll

come from by later. So I lied to them. Oh yeah, you're talking. I know what had you locked there? Two thirty? But I told him, of course you did, because I come from Chris Ldy School. You know, we can't we can't fall asleep in the get away car though. You know people fall asleep in the get away cars, like take the bucket to check off lap and get out the car place. It's like, you know, we gotta you gotta be on time. That's another thing any discipline be on.

Can we teach the youth about being on time? Because let me tell you something just now. Recently I've been you know, doing what I gotta do to Leo hits me and Lee all goes, I need to meet you at the Polo lounge. Right, This is no because I know it's loaded. His skin was already set. It's already to meet you at the poll up. It's like it's like me, we set it all up, but me and Ali is only there. Leo is already there. But he

told us to mean there's at eight o'clock. But this is what I'm trying to tell young people, is he told me to meet him at eight o'clock. We pulled up at seven five and he was already ready. There you go. He's sitting there like this, let's go, And I'm like, holy sh the best chair in the meeting and all that to get there. Yeah, listen, So this is what I'm trying to tell young people. You're not supposed to show up at eight fifteen when it's eight o'clocks me and peoples to show up at seven forty

five and scope out the joint. And also I would also say this, I would say that, you know, the cockiness, it's great for the records. Yes, if I make a ready to come to business, if I make a record tomorrow, it's gonna be the cockiest thing you've ever heard in your life. But in between, it's it's okay to be humble. No humility. Humility is okay. I didn't say sudo. I

didn't say sudo. I don't know what SUIT don't mean. Yeah, you know, I'm yeah, I'm fourth, but you know, fake humility like you know, you know, but just be humble, you know what I'm saying. And you know people want to help you. Then you know you ain't gotta be you know all that all the time, you know, leaving on the records, leaving on your music, leaving on stage. But other than that, just be you. You know what I'm saying. And I think you get a lot a

lot further, you know, in your career. Okay, before we get you get about here because I know you gotta go because Claude is over there. You gotta go. But you actually have It's not just lip Sync Battle. It's not just you know, you're playing these others. You actually have a production describe to these young black kids. Yeah, well you can actually how people. Well, I co produced UM the Grammy nomination show for for about five years. I'm a producer on lip Sync Battle was well, did

you know how lightly he said that? You know what I'm saying, I think we should make noise for that. If somebody has, you know, if somebody has you know, TV ideas or ideas that I think are worthy. I'm not gonna like everything. If I don't like it. If I don't like it, I'm gonna tell tell a person like I can send him to Claudine something like that.

But we gotta be easy. It's a million people. Let me just tell you that one thing for Charltoning for certain, when Violator dispersed, it was probably the saddest day of my life. It was crazy because I didn't know anything other than Chris Likedy. I didn't know other things other than Claudine, Laurie Dublin's and so on. So Scott, I didn't know nothing. I feel you. So when when when Chris went away, it was probably the saddest day of my life. I feel you because I just didn't know what.

I don't know what to do called Buster and Buster was already had another and he had now he was with James at that time for a minute, but it was like another management. It wasn't It wasn't like James was at the time. And I was just lost, like I just now finding myself with me personally. And one of the the very first persons people, I'm sorry, I said, persons, I'm like dyslexic. So as Claudine, and I said, Claudine was she has never ever made me question her. He

has never ever done anything. And the fact that Claudine is with you and lets me know that you really living out violator brother, and I love you, my brother. I love I love that woman. Let's love. I love that woman. I love like Lolaudie. I love Claudine like you don't understand. And she actually said, yeah, I want to meet your wife. And I made sure my wife came just to meet Claudine because she means so much to my life. Like I'm gonna be honest with you.

And I went and look for her. And when I I can't, I can't afforder up here, I can't do it. It was seven I was. I'm like that. But I can't thank you enough because you know what everything, that's where we all Chris likedys likely to keep his legacy first of all, you know, oh Chris on so many levels. I mean my Mr. Smith album, him connecting me with the track masters, we did that whole doing it recond you talk to this was done with me when we

did that song. Um, you know Chris, you know, she's queen, she was raised a together. I gotta meet you know. Yeah, well but yeah, Chris was. He was a special guy and you know he's definitely be sorely missed. And um, I try to pay it forward by, you know, looking out for Tiffany. You know, when she's in l A, she stays with me, Um, you know, making sure that

she's good. L Nori and Buster created a new violator and because you know, you know, let me just tell you something, al And I'm sorry it's gonna get very touchy, not for you, not for anybody here. But the other day d m X performed right where in the ball Clay Center. Okay, the whole hip hop said, damn, Max, don't look good. You know, he looks like he's smoking whatever whatever. But isn't it hops responsibility to say that this man gave us ten million records, this man gave

us such and such. Why don't we just come take him and put him in the rehab or put him to whatever he needs to do to be safe. But you know what, hip hop don't have a union to do that. L is great, Nor's great, if Fin is great, Rich Blanco is great, Brandy Acca is great. Shouldn't we give one percent of something so that if anything like this happens, like Chris Lidy passing Tiffany, don't have to worry like DMX you know, have to go on the rehab. We can take care of that. I feel like hip hop,

oh's hip hop? That am I bucking? Hell? No, you know, bugging you know, But um, that's that's a very complicated thing, you know. I mean, you know what you're talking about. I mean, you know sonns can't get their mothers off drugs. Man, you know that's a tough one. No, No, I don't understand what you're saying, but in terms of you know, unionizing hip hop and and you know, it's something to think about. Um strong management can you know, can create

that kind of a vibe. It's not not it's nothing nothing. Look the laborers, look the people, the guys on the ground floor, to guys who had three four songs, the guys who you know, it would be great if they had the medical come on, we better but three or four or four? But three or four? So look Rob Basin DJ Easy Rock don't deserve to be they But I think, yeah, I don't think it's nothing wrong. I think that's a good idea. But I think people take it. Takes a lot of time and a lot of commitment.

There's real there's you know, you have to be real about things like but if you gave ten years of hip hop right right, you're dedicated to hip hop. Now you you you developed something type of disease. It only take forty to get to take to get rid of a disease. And there's people like us who have it. I'll give a band, You'll give a band, Jaz, give a band whatever sending that person's you know, I would always be willing to contribute to something like that as

long as I know, dudes, ain't you know? No, No, No, it's transparent. It's transparent. A little profile. Who got them new perilities? Aunt that? Yeah, exactly, Yeah, it's transparent. We gotta be transparent, yes, because you know why, because the thing is, I don't want to give extra five thousand that I don't want to. I would totally, I would. I would have no problem with you know, look, you're not gonna be successful if you don't give period. Anyway,

that's just part of it. You know, that comes with territory. So if you think you're gonna be able to be a selfish prick and be successful, it's not gonna happen. You're gonna be because it. People that are successful are successful because of the things they do right, and they departs of their life where they fail. They're unsuccessful because of the things they do incorrectly. And so you know, because a lot of times people think me, an evil

guy is successful because he's evil. No, he's successful because he's doing something right. He also will reap the rewards are being evil in another area. So don't confuse it. People are successful because of what they do right, period, and they lose because of what they do wrong. You know what I mean? Just like sports, you win because of what you did right, but there's repercussions for other things. Flagrance, you know, whatever, you know turn over like so you

know it's consequences are you're mass smart. I just gotta make noise for you being mass small. But I don't one drop you in love y'all need you any ship being open the hank No, I'm good, I got you. Whatever you braby, I'm thank you, thank you,