Episode 88 w/ Gil Green and Spiff TV (Part 1)

your boy and or eat what up? Is d j e F And this is drink Chas motherfucking podcast Make Some And today is a very special episode to me because this is something that I've been preaching for a long time. A lot of our youth and a people who follow in hip hop, they think that they always have to be in front the camera to make money and to feed their family and to live good and live a great life. They feel like it's either there's always either the DJ they pick, the artist or the producer.

Very seldomly do you have people say that, you know what, I want to be behind the cameras, I'm gonna be behind the cameras and I'm gonna live my life like that. And and this is the reason why we want to do you too together is because it's like it's like I don't want to call you old like the old like the older not you know what, I don't want me old more. The more season that's the better word, The more season as an old like the young hot guy. You know what I'm saying. And um, I've seen both

of you guys struggle. But the thing about it is I want to really tell you guys story because I want to push you guys lifestyle more than I want to push my lifestyle, meaning meaning I know that a lot of people can't live how I live. Like like like you know, you work at McDonald's, and when you get off of McDonald's, nobody doesn't walk up to you and ask you for a cheeseburger. You know what I'm saying, like once you take off the thing. But when you're

an artists, you know what I'm saying. Seven I can remember, you know, going to path Mark at four o'clock in the morning and me seeing an artist you know going in there. I don't say the artists name going in there to get you know, some some stuff or they face and somebody saying can I take a picture with them? And they're like no, And then you know that person is like, oh this this this person is a dick, but you don't understand that they live in a normal life.

So me, I want to push this lifestyle even more than my lifestyle, even more than you'll like our life style together that we're living now. I would like to push more of this because we need more directors, We need more in the vision. It's so crucial to the just And Farrell told me that Happy was out eight months and it didn't work till he actually made a video for happening. You know what I'm saying, So right now introduce it. We got the prolific, one of the

craziest two directors in our time. They should be saluted, they should be respected, They should be they shoes should be tired. If you ever see the walking down the street and the shoes this untied the motherfucker's shoe blace. My good friends Gil Green and Sprift TV is in the house and serious about that because you know, I speak to kids so so much like you know, and I asked me, you know what you want to be and they say, you know the rapper and it's like,

all right. I remember one time one of my friends said I'm gonna be a rapper, right, I said, yeah, let me hear your rap. He said, oh, I didn't write a robe. I was so offended. And this is the expression, it's crazy that you're here. This is the expression that he used. He said it would be like a French Bontanno type of rapper. Like and when they don't really realize it's how much French has struggled. And you know, they just see that that he's luxury and

they see that his lyrics is kind of simple. He comes from the visuals to when they see that the lyrics is kind of simple and they think that this is just easy, Like it's hard to live this lifestyle, but let's just let's just take it from there. Like when you guys get a video, right, you get a record from an artist or a label, rather label send you a record, Gil and you know you never met

this artist before. How do you even come up with a treatment for that, Like for like just to say a new arts, I mean, for me, it's the vibe. I mean, I'm I'm I'm a hip hop head. I'm like, I'm old school all the way. I'm liking that. I was gonna get that. I was waiting bad long ago before heard this. Um yeah, we're going with that all right now. I'm definitely like I fell in love with

the culture of hip hop growing up in Miami. So this is eighties and this is this is like we had we had our own thing here with Luke and you know, Luca Luther camp bass music, but we also appreciated what we was hearing up from New York as well, and it was a very very different time of like it ain't mainstream and at internet it's like to hear a hip hop either you're listening to Uncle Al, you know, going to Flea Market USA to get some bass tapes

actually going on. We talked about that straight up, like and that's how it is. And it wasn't like this Kumbaya MTV mainstream this before because I'm sorry, keeps going not Mimi. Miami was really real and I was fortunate enough to be exposed to a lot of that stuff at an early age and fell in love with it and fell in love with it within the essence of it.

And I'm talking about like legendary places like pack Jam and Stuff and Seah, the Pat James stories don't call all the way they DJ here, And it is before Miami's cool quote unquote. It was a rugged era in Miami. Yeah, yeah, yeah, other than other than Luke and them, I'm saying, you know, I mean, like, yeah, there was always like the Sixth Borough they called Miami Beach with all the New York campbell Miami being uncool like me personally, I don't know.

I mean, people wasn't repping Miami at least in the hip hop cu you remember, everybody was repping New York like people were faking New York. Okay, I remember if they were like necessarily inter city based era, they were repping New York, which I hated. That was the that's things that I was fighting, and I'm sure you were

fighting that stereotype as well. Yeah, yeah, you saw. You saw the divide because because Miami wasn't necessarily known for as lyricists, and then a lot of serious hip hop heads were like always like fond of the lyricists, so like, of course New York had like that lyrically driven, so a lot of the best lyricists were coming out of there. Not to knock the Miami rappers, but but you know, we was about more rhythm and bass and moving and and you know than than necessarily like like I loved

casts like Kane and Kars Camera. But but if you go to some of those two Life Crew records right now, they sound prettydamn lyrical compared to some people now yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, well yeah they sound pretty delous. Yeah, I mean, I mean, how did you how did you? What made you pick

the camera? Because we're gonna get into like, you know, your MC career at one point, but um, what made you actually say I'm gonna get behind the camera, because that's like it might have been your It was my love for hip hop because before even I'm Seeing, I was d jan and I was the one selling you the mixtapes in the hallway. And then, um, I was fortunate enough to be able to go to school and I always I was in South Miami. I got into

this broadcasting program. It was a magnet school because they used to bust man and they gave us a camera. And then I fell in love with visuals and music. Those are the two things. And we had a channel down here called the music Video Box and like video but yeah, Cowboy Daniel for all the box, Yeah just started dressing. Time was the time and that one you

got that we got a lot. Okay, but let me tell you because before the box became national, started in Miami, and so we would get these videos that you know, MTV wouldn't get masters a ceremony, you know, all all these guys in through your guns, so they wouldn't let them have over there just play if it wasn't BT,

and BT was playing maybe Hudini, you know. But like these these cats were coming down to Miami and Luke was and they were paining the box and they would just run those videos and you had to pay for the order of video on the box. You had to pay. But then the labels that the cheek code was the labels with pay in advance, and then you'd be watching. You know, I wasn't on the box when the labels back, come on, then don't go on. You only two or three years enemy, but I was. I was you guys.

We're talking about you guys. Maybe that's when you ordered three year seven It brought it to TV. How did you decide that? You know what I'm saying, because you you've been around rappers, how did you decide that the camera was the place that you want to be When I started taking pictures first for Ozone magazine. So Julia, baby, I've just seen her on the cruise too. Yeah they cruise. Okay, let's not I know that you stip told me to cruise. I'm saying, I love saying Julia badly. We need you now.

I've been talking to her about it. We started taking pictures. Wasn't the mix tape? He was doing the mix tape? Yeah, I started. You know what I'm saying, they did for killing the way, By the way, it's the best to kill in the world. Off Dad east um up today, I said, Man, you had j album. I said, we gotta st I support each other more, he said, whirred up. I said, need to do my food show. I started

taking picture Julia. I went around taking pictures. You know something I started, you know, getting access all this backstage stuff. So I'm like, man, I want to pick up but you know, I picked up a little HD camera. I'm getting access hanging out with all these artists. So I wanted to do you know, like a smack DVD, like all access, like you know, like about French did you know the Cope Waves DVD? So I was like, I'm

gonna do my own. I remember you following anybody that came to Orlando around one time he fought me and Charlie around and we had like got that. You want to let me ask both of you guys a question real quick? Right? Is it a cheat cold when the guys like your own fire? Like right now Drake? Right, Drake could be on fire? Like is that a cheat cold? Like if he if he sends you a trash record? Like you know what I'm saying, do you just jump on it immediately? Or what do you do? Like like

like me, it's whatever, I with everything. You know what I'm saying. We go after the bag with BA saying I'm gonna tell you what Nick quested? Who actually put me on question set moment? Yeah, yeah, I got the Nick told me before I even started, said never let a bad song prevent you from making a good video. And I always follow that. I always follow knowledge. Yeah, you can take like when you it was a cost,

like there was a counter around the door. Right, So somebody's talking about giving you an opportunity to film to film with film. This is before digital and all that. The budgets work. Yeah, so you're like everything, you wanna take the opportunity. That's because if the song is is whack, you make a legendary visual and bust it up, bost it up. So that artist comes, he liked the record, he gets on set immediately, he's on something. I'm the

big man and you work for him. He doesn't know your history, he doesn't know how you never experienced that. You never experienced that. I've experienced that with just new artists just saying hi to me. They'd be like, yeah, I'm the ship. I'm like, well hold on. It's like, kid, you not like one. Because the thing about it is when you get into like the twelve, thirteen, fourteen, fifteen years in your in your life and you're doing the

same thing. You have a career, and when there's certain people they got six months here and they just think

like the world is the kiss. They asked like, I can't say that's what happened with me Goals and Joe Button's, but it pretty much looked like that if pretty want looked like Joe Buttons was asking questions and they were just like yeah, whatever, and it's just like nah, dude, like you know, Joe putting his time, Like he might not be a legend to everybody, but he's a lyricist and he held it so that walk away was disrespectful.

The walking away was one but at the end of the day, like at the end of the day, and I'm not trying to get into some crazy ship, but we had artists development. Remember before, like people used to know how to do an interview to say your boom you answer it like right now, the ladis just taking money and so so I'm saying, have you ever had experience where like the artists came off as a dickhead, but you still have to remain professional? Yeah? Absolutely, okay, absolutely.

But the thing is, it's like, man, come on, we want to talk about this bookie. No, no, no no, there can tell because because there's no it was just one video and it wasn't the artist was disrespectful. He was just in the zone in a whole different world and I don't know what he was on. I don't even know where he is this days. Because I find out the humble ones have the career, the ones they get put on quick and they didn't see it coming there and put the work ethic and they're like in and out.

And this was an artist at Swiss beats put on and Swiss opened up the likes everything point no, no. It was a rapper out of Atlanta and he got everyone he got, He got everyone on the track DMX remember that was it, David Banner and everything. Anyways, we did this. We had this idea to get the dope bass video and had the marching band and everything, and Oh Boy didn't want to get in his own video.

That's why he was like bugging and yeah, yeah, I remember this ARTISTI but you know, because that's what that's what that's what bogged out. But that's what's real about Swiss. Swiss Cold clock them right in the face and he slid right in front of the camera. I was like, act shit, and Oh Boy gave the performance of his lifetime because he was so angry when that's a legend. That's the thing about being an artist. They don't tell you that this is your money, you idiot, you don't want.

The one thing that I noticed about both of you were like, we're actually playing for this at nine and you both showed up at eight twenty seven, you showed up at five, you showed up at a twenty seven, and it's like, this is the exact thing that we got to install. Because these people that I know, artists that I set them uptown. I'm like, yo, definite GM just called me to go to your video these things

like like no, no, this is your budget. Like I don't think these people will understand that, Like I don't tell you to the crazy ship. But hype Williams did to me. We'll get into that later. That one. That's when the budgets was crazy. I never worked with a man though. Many videos with a million right now that crazy movies right now. But back then the hype was like, oh man, you had to spend that budget. What was the as much as you worked with a million, this

was a great video. Stacks Marker from Miami never Yeah, I'm gonna tell you, gonna tell you the story about back and I like Stacks. He's a nice don't you know what? You know what things about Stacks A good kid. He's a good kid. He's got good music, but his money outshadowed him. So people never can. I've got to be about struggle. That's the one you kick. Do we cut.

We didn't have Roy's convertible. Remember that in the video because because he because then he came out in one of his lyrics he's saying, I'm driving the drop top roles and and he's like, man, you know, if you're gonna wrap about that, you gotta have it right. So there's no problem for them because so be live. But yeah, when it was open, Yeah, they gave us that club.

Like yeah, but I never tell you I think stats was a great I just think that once you get hear his story and his father invented numerology, whatever did he do? Like you can't can't you know what I'm saying, because it's just like we know you're not struggling. It's different kind of money. That's super race. So picked them up. So his money got out, like sometimes your record will sometimes you have a bigger record than you like sometimes you can have a record that like I have am Gondo.

I see people all the time they'd be like and maybe Ice grealling me like that, but it's real that record, it's bigger than me. But so you had a million dollars throw to that fandom. The lights didn't work. Now he picked me up everything after they cut it off like the know the wiring that she was like a but it's just for the video. Oh man, we had choppers, boats, manships, two clubs. He his post is bringing in Victoria's secret models. Bad. Yeah, like don't let the NASA thing for you cheap ship?

Do you work with like a quarter quarter? That's two fifty right man? But that's like that I'm saying, that's like the now it's almost like a million dollars and Guils you know, Gils big a million dollars, a million dollars back then, Gills hey now now, but the hype is fine, Mr Chiles, and you had a couple of million college color. That wasn't a million now that was like that was like eight semifive, like seven hundred or

five hundred. That's hype was eight hundred one that went to like one point to like easy, like easy, like he'd be filmed that oh no, right yeah for one scene for three days. It's just like we listen to no, this is how it works. I was like, you know you was recouping that. Nah. I knew from the Mr. Child someone right to tell tell you found it was the best I wanted to get this in the middle because I wanted to keep go more so we'll get into him later, because I want to get more about

y'all because because this is it's a long story. But I got jerk like it's my most played video ever, so I guess it was worth it because it was like at the time where just hype, you just have hype name like it could have been a piece of ship, but they said hype. William's day was like and it was just like you know what I mean, videos just that, But do you remember those times like that? I was pa on those videos. That video. That's how I got you know, I came up like from the bottom of

the ladder, the older hold on. We needed to describe with Pete it that's a dude boy production assistance turn in the studio. But Benny Boom was also a p A. We all came up in the same you know, nick quest and put all them cast on the legs. How about that? How about that? I'm sorry to change subjects because we want to get back to the p A thing because that's very important because these brothers think that they're gonna just pick up a camera and they're gonna

shoot for um. You know what I'm saying, Tony want savage. You know what I'm saying, They gotta relax. Maybe so so um well, I said, I was going back to Bennie Boom by Boom, Bitty Boom. Did you see the Tupac story yet? Now? Yeah, I've just been watching the cons personay with him and John Singleton. Oh I love it. Yeah, great, John Singleton and Benny Boom. Did you see the Tupac Yeah? I went to the premiere. Okay, I was dead too

that night. I can't get in the fire that saying I saw move go ahead, tell him to me about the movie, tell us about them. It was cool, like translation, it didn't really, I mean, come on, we can keep it real. I kept telling you, I said, I was disappointed personally, like come on, like even though I gave is a friend of mine, you know what I'm saying, Yes, your friend of mine to know what I'm saying, but like, I don't know. It's just the way the straight out

of compt came out was just. And don't disrespect anybody involved in the movie, the actors, but it's just I felt like the like that's pop story, Like I felt like we needed something just way more up there, Like I'm just saying, like when they did, I said walk the line as an example, like why can't hip hop have that's cool? When are you going to see it? I haven't got a chance to see it. Yea, I am going to go out support because I don't like hearing mixed with you. I don't everybody should go and

check it out. Like having her own opinion. But I thought it was big because who filmed the biggest movie? Who was the director? And I was disappointed that one he was the hand of his time. It was a better quality movie in my opinion, like production was, but I think it lacked what it needed as well. Personally, Verse felt the same, the fact that it was Benny Boom like coming from video, coming from being the p A. But I like the next day here that Jo did.

Yeah too, but you didn't appreciate the pop track. It was cool. On you go take one taking shots? This is this is all let's go. You gotta take one tiger bone later, let me get it on. Man, he's taking a shot of quick. You don't taken here and we don't know, but you're making it. Yeah, quick the quick. We gotta get to the quick to Aco hydrant. We don't got the OPA. You don't want, we don't have the pop. Daddy is slipping to the south, but I

don't want. I want to say a big respect up to Benny because I saw that come up and he and we were all coming up together. Department of Film Nick Questions. Eric nick Question was established director at the time when there probably was only ten hip hop directors, and he grabs all and put your Nick was the type of person that passed on his knowledge. That's why so he didn't sign. You say I'm gonna sign, Gail,

I'm gonna sign, but put your on. He sees what you're working and it's like if you were walking into like rockets back in the days. Everyone's in there, everyone, all the rappers in there, all the young directors wanted to be there, and he would give you a camera like I don't even know if you knew, like on

phone time, full Time was gonna bring it up later. Yeah, I was like I was like shooting second Unit and I was just coming up, you know, and full Time for the youngest that don and like a second unit like and so much time that came out of that. He had a company called Department of Film. It was Benny Boom, Eric White, myself, Nick and Nick was o G who basically co signed every one of those guys to get that first big video because the label's nervous,

like and n was his company Australia. He got the accident, but like like, I can't do it drinking supporting team. That's what I'm talking about. You know, Nor did a movie like Nick's first movie. I think it was that Set and Mummies. Yeah, I stole the DVD. I have it in my house. There's only one dvd. Ter no use his head cut off? Yea, to cut my head off. I made a black guy fucking my head cut off the time I die in the first twelve minutes of the movie. You know that that's the black role in

the hard film. So I was satisfied. My first I got to see, I got experience Hollywood because I always heard it about these stories about these Hollywood actors. They're a method actor. One guy who was a method actor, so he wouldn't was that the white dude, Yeah from Faster, So he wouldn't let nobody talk to him if they wasn't calling him the Gary. He stayed in the Rule. Jared Letoby. I see him at night at the hotel. He hey, what's up man. I'm like, oh, ship, what

are you right now? I don't know the dude, you know, Jared Leto played the Joker. He stayed in character the whole time. Oh yeah, that's sending like condom filled with whatever was to It was, This is scary to me because they like they you know, the people keep coming up to me. They're like, yo, he's a method actor, so he's gonna act like how you supposed to act in the movie. So I was like, all right, cool.

I didn't know what that meant. But then I've seen him walking around and he'll come to lunch and be like, this is three he is in the movie. He's like where the fund is my ship? Like the people will be like, oh my god, it's to say his name, and I was like, this is crazy. I was like, because you know, I'm playing the next easy I don't need a method that guy, you know what I mean. So I'm sorry, I'm just missing truth. So then I had heard these stories, and then I also heard that

all of these actors get up so mastertype. Trust me. I didn't want to see it up to it. I didn't want to see it. I went in the wrong trailer and everybody was like, there's no one. I was like, hey, and I knew I just kidn't just walk out. I'd be like, hey, didn't good? Just say something like I don't you get blessed? I got just that quest gave me that. Nick question also director offers video l A L A very first time I got on film and I stopped being a drug dealer. My very first film

was Nick question Land. He also did my second video. I think my first video was your video what you Like? He was just bullshit. You were just bullshit. He was rolling a camper from orlandom with sway all the way and probably say still together. You know you guys, you know you gotta keep that Dominican Spirits producer go to everybody, is that important? Like how important is that your team? Because you can't know you're filmmaking his teamwork. Yeah, there's

no one person is going to do it. And that's what I cast don't understand. Why look on someone by what kind of sport is it? Is it? Basketball? Basketball? Basketball is like football. It is like you got like like a nigga. You need your producer. You know it's too much coming. Let me ask you something right now, when you have to cut costs, you gotta fly to Morocco. Right, You're got to fly to Morocco. You got your set crew, this is your crew. But you gotta cut budget. What

do you do? You ride out like got to like you want to shoot it for twenty five? Sway, He's like, if we can't go shoot this for twenty five in Morocco, the Morocco producer guys already saying seventy five the Morocco. But so you you hire them somebody over there. You know he's probably finessing putting his money on top of it. Because they told me that artists have gone to Morocco and they a sap told me on the cruise. He was like, yo, we went to Morocco film, be careful.

They thought we were spies. They took our cameras, they raced our footage. I heard a couple of artists go through that. So you know what I'm saying. But I'm like, twist. It sounds nice, but it's still North Africa, the South South. It's little that's not okay, my bad, But I just like to Last Rocket too. By the way, Yeah, it's North Africa at least. Yeah, you got worldwidecco. My mother's my mother's Morocco. You've been, never been. It's very dangerous nowadays.

I want to go to Morocco. I love Moracks like I don't know, we're great. It's pretty. I don't know about dangerous where you go, but cashing the street, I want to get down. I go to Morocco right now. They Blanca's beautiful. They got nice place. You won't go to a nice play look jurious. You see f and he tried to get killed every documents festival stream. Morocco. Never been coming home, coming home. I've been to a

part of France. It was just like Morocco. I smoked the same as that they called as Morocco, so it would make sense. That's the best hash in the world. By the way, my rocking hash that serious, No that serious, not even racious. No Moroccan hash. You could you could hit it. You could hit it straight up. When you raised with the culture. Um you know, I was raised in Miami. I know some of the bad words that when my mom's got mad and the shoes came off

and the throwing and stuff. The you make it too though, right, Yeah, so I told them that. You were like, damn, you're Jamaican. You got the iary rides ever Tink, Cristpa Curry, remember everything, Christpha Curry everything, christmpher carry Curry see Prid of freaking see seeing y'all remember super That was like the number one record of Jamaica is like, Yo, they're gonna do something when you go on stage, don't react. I was like, all right, cool and like my mom, I said, I

gotta react. It was just normal. Nobody moved. I was the only wild ship. It was like that's when they show they still loved. And it's ninety eight, so I don't know they can still do that now. But back then the police didn't even moved. But I'm not looking they can do so I'm scared of the things they're like finished, What was your first time video? Like official music video for established artists. I'll be trick Daddy America

Society Society Great. Great, that's a great track. That did that mean a lot to you because him be in Miami home Bread and it was and it was dropping knowledge on the track nation so anything it was like positive Nation to come on, I'm telling you I was a hip hop head man. You gotta get back to his rap career. You weren't go into that. Did you shoot your own music videos? That's how I got into. How did you feel about the African verbout the news? I was crushed. I ain't hearing news man. That was

good one. No, come on, I know you already know how you're gonna he said, sorry, you can't. It's crazy. He was a cute child. Molestation, Yeah, everybody was doing this, especially made him step down. Yeah, I actually made him step down. I thought that was the right thing to do because, um, with all the due respect everything he did for hip hop, even even him, he's not bigger than the movement, you know what I'm saying. So it's like, if you had to step down, I think that's the

right thing to do and then continue moving. And it's crazy for the younger guys. We'll see, That's what I'm saying. If you want to explain. I mean, like when I got into, they were setting up different chapters in different cities and actually joined the d C at the time.

But you know, Africa Embado was always instilling positivity in hip hop and that was this thing is and and if you're in Zulu, you have Infinity Lessons where it's basically they give you a bunch of books to read and so like it was really getting your culture about Malcolm about what I mean, it could be everything. It could be as as five percenters, it could be, you know, just expanding your mind on understanding. It's very well positivity

respected crew. You know what I'm saying. It's from the Foundation. Foundation. And whenever you say, if somebody say you Zulu nation, that it could be all over the world I'm talking about. You could be in Switzerland, you could be in doodledof Germany. You can be And it's a beautiful who initiates and like it was African, it's a beautiful movement. So I just don't want the movement to be torn by one person's act, whether he's getting guilty or not. So the

fact that they made him step down. When he stepped down, um, I thought it was dope because I don't want the movement to stop for one person's actions, even though they want to create. Because he brought like tell me if I'm wrong, and I'm gonna say what I know, but they brought the infamous gangs and the Bronx and the New York together together, which is the birth of hip hop,

you know, the beep and then fighters. Yeah, instead of fighting, they started being you know, having BBoy battles, you know saying em C battles and DJ battles And that's what That's kind of like the gist of what House Do Nation was creating if you want to see a really good documentary on it. Actually, the Quest was a part of the rumble Kings. Kings is amazing, and then watch the other the fashion one. What's the other one? That? What's the fashion one? That Thurston? Yeah, that's like right

after rumble Kings. It almost goes It's like into that like a dude named Carlos Karate something right. I like that rumble Kings is amazing. That's like I got to finishing somebody else and it was a fashion one, which I can't think of it because Fresh Dress. I think you can watch that like right after rumble Kings. It almost feels like it's like a continuation, but it's about the fashion and hip hop in there. Yeah, that's the Quest because I started produced question got some of those

Fresh Dress at the Fresh Dress party. He might have something to do that too. I see Nick and stretched on strong at the front. He's strong, he got they got a big company. They fund mad movies. No Nick questions, questions like you might just have to get Nick on your show man. I need and I need, I need to direct a new video. It's always a whole time. The funny thing about Nick is like you'd be like when you hear him, he's this Englishman. He's like, Yo,

how does the Englishman getting the hip hop? And I mean that he's hip hop? Yo. This dude just filmed a documentary. It's on National Geographic about Syria, like the hats were in the heart of Syria. So when you say, like, yo, he was, it's definitely really than me. I ain't gonna about it, like shots, just about what happened right now with you? I did, I did. I'm forget about that's so that's I know. That's why I was. It was like a twenty five trip to get there. First. I listen, listen,

I have my version of Third World countries. I'm out of it. It's not for me no more. I one of one. I'm coming, Come on, I'm gonna go to the one like still good, We're gonna eat. That's it eat so unforgettable, right, I'm like, yo, I need blank guns. We don't have blank guns here. They're using real inks shooting blanks, which is like the cops provided a hundred aks for me, what do you need this one? I

can use this one. It's okay. So they were using blanks, and you know when you are some blanks, there's like full blanks. It is louder. And they cycled the gun. You know when the when the round goes off, you'll put the next round in the chamber. So these blanks are on the real gun, so they after they go one time, they got so it's like just scary about you know, safety. It was like at each other the guns with the blanks. We didn't point out you know

what I'm saying. That sound like the same story when we shot Yes, yes, sir, yes your scam shots down. I don't know the real joints. Let's say it's one of the craziest video stories ever of all time. Give it to us. And it was early in my career, and and and big up for like giving me a blind actual shooting music video with yourself. So we're in the Bronx and it's the coldest day. We was by the stadium. Okay, that's right by the coldest day in

New York. And we're in the middle of shooting and we set up this whole scene and in the middle of our shot, this dude tackles another dude in the frame while you're shooting and pulls out his piece like get down. Were like, yo, we didn't rehearse this ship. So then the dude was undercover and was watching this guy who was on your video set. So they cut him up. They put him in the back of the car, but they don't close the door, so oh boy scrubs out the car right and he's running down the block.

He trips on the concrete, bust his mouth on the concrete. Now he's bloody with cups and ten cops around. The neighborhood is not having it because it just doesn't look right right, you know. This ship turned into some like do the Right Thing ship where people were throwing it out the windows radio ship like perform. They shut us down and we had to go downtown and finish it. Remember credited, your company got the word. They got the word. Yeah,

that she was crazy. Yeah, damn, yeah good, I was crazy. For God, I'm for good. Damn you think it's about ye got to come on one tiger about tasting changese. The reason you don't drink like reason you're even I just I just never never drank, and you're like my whole life. Yeah, I got a good track. I don't know, drink chips once. I don't know. Baby, don't you never have one? It actually is you been wine changes wow. Yeah, you will eat a fan first, but you're the part

of this. I ain't drinking this. I got to fish and another piece and he wants you to have a We got really bears quick strawberry. This is the spoke of this drink. We got strawberry, yo, good to day. Well we've never had the gummy bears, Gummy bears, tiger bone and I don't work bat no, no, no, no, too fold and all that. You know what I'm saying. The gil green that's a mixture right here. So it's a little I hate chill. Your life has changed. That

was you have a big video? You ever direct? I'm going off the limb when I'm saying French from an chin right and Dominic came Republic like it was fun. I was definitely a fun one because it happened. We're going to shoot that in in l A. And then this was right before Drake was gonna go on tour forties like yo, you know Fortes forty take shot Trump forty had a vacation. She said, up for drinking. Everybody

to go to dr have fun. Yo, let's shooting in dr hold On, they said, we kind of kind of friends. Drake got he got a friend that set up of Vakid. I don't got those types of I'm jealous. Hold On, I've got the story you're trying to tell. Hold On, trying to stay. We're bad friends out there, man, I said, we went to Universal Studios. You forgot. It's not like

Dominico my friendships when he's doing okhead. So it's like, yo, you do it in dr It's of course used to sway mend and I've seen it was like that was like a United plane like I had Like it was like United. I was going out like private though. That was why I had a man drama because my passport was expired. I didn't I didn't go on. I didn't look like al Qaeda to so I leave with him out of doing a passport mission yesterday, I this today.

So I had to get my passport boom. I had to fly my mom and so she can confirm that she had signed some paper Yeah, signs of paper work to say I know this guy for thirty years Dominican Republic. Later in my pastor whom they gave me the passport, jumped on the flight, went there, you know sways Dominican. He has that on smash over there. It was just like fun? Was that? That was a fun one? Was

that that He's like some you know what you're saying that? Yeah, but it's guys to their comple Is it guys of their comple Yeah? Is it like that? It just comes No, But that's what it's called. The place is called cous of the company. But that was my That's what that was. Nobody Gil went to deal with me to Colombia was legend on the drawing you director? Was that I directed to join from the Pablo's Crib with Ross. I did the Avery Storm record with Ross. You know your realer style?

You agree with the big budget? I got the can we tell him what to call you? Baby Gil? Baby girl? That better call me, Steven Spielberg, it's how is it? How is this seeing? Like I talked about passing the torch, Like I said, I get so much props in the question from putting me on and when first, when people give you your first opportunity, you never forget that, man, because people don't have to do that, you know. But that was just dope because there was a director giving

you the thing. Me me gunpoint, like, yeah, I'm shooting videos. I could do this video. I can cut it for you in the same day. I could do do this. You know what I'm saying. I come from the five D era. I was one of the first ones with the five D Like, Yo, Ross, this ship looks good. Let's jump out this lobby at this hotel and film permits. Gorilla real girls, you know you got you got the torch passed on to you. You know you see me.

You would show me love, everybody show love. It's not like, hey, Speth, I got I got a video. When you shoot this, I got a bag for you. Have you go out of videos without permits? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I like the things, but I'm not. But it gets they don't understand that. So when you shoot gorilla ship. But when you get police on set, you have to have all this extra stuff and the budget goes up. I gotta

film permit. I can't. I just shot up French uh, French Montana feature and Weekend in Max b in New York. So when you got you gotta get permits. Weakness is like you know, big big video. So when you guys, you gotta get the permits. They can't drive in the car. I gotta get the process trailer, so permits trailers. Put in the car on the trailer and then they're pulling it through the city and it looks like they drive him,

but they're not. But if I I could have been really that through a minivan and save man bread and shot up, shot up, you know, did you never feel that was a cheeko the gorilla styles just real talking like you know, I think that because it was like it was like, isn't gonna hate temperament. I love the young kids with the five D because to me, that's how I came up, and we did it on film.

You saved six months before you can shoot, you know, you saved five thousand hours about three rolls of film and then you know, but I love like anyone that's that's self motivated and you grab your iPhone and go film. The best filmmakers are gonna be some kid that's in a basement with some great ideas and now he's got the tools to do it. Years ago, like I said, it was ten directors and if someone gave you that eleven slot, it was a big deal. So BT Awards

and always have the same five guys soon come. But it does it never feel like the quality suffers, and then everybody just adjusted say, yeah, that's dope, even though it's not really dope. I mean, do you understand what I'm saying that. I mean, you see like it's it's it's a crapshoot, you know, like you'd be like like an artist has ten grand or whatever, and they're like, because you'll you'll do storyboard, you'll do this, you'll have

everything set up. And I'm not talking about the running gun guy, but just in general, they'll make up by doing cheesy effects this and that, and then it becomes like a trend. The chief effect becomes a trend. I think if you don't have the money to do the polished video, then you need to step out the box. And think of an idea that's a little different, creative different. Yeah, but like I came, I was negative, make it happen. But when you get to a certain level, when I

have my certain team, my certain DP. I know the guy that sent my lights, he's expensive just to be on set, you know what I'm saying. So I have a certain look. So you want that look, you gotta pay for that look. Again, you'll describe the people wild lights is is important? You know, you think everybody, everybody coming to you. I got a red cam, le's shoot a video. I got a red cam. Everybody got a red cam. Now it don't matter. You can shoot the red camera, look like you shot it with your iPhone.

You need the DP that's gonna get that lighting of what you need to make that look that movie look. You know you can't do that. I gotta five D. I said, Okay, cool, look at your video. Looks like you did it with a VHS camera. You know what I'm saying. And someone will be like, but that's the new trend. That's just hot. That's It's like, how many videos you see a shitty lit red Yeah, it's red.

Sometimes if the song is popping, shi that's what happened video, and then everybody like that's the new look right there, and everybody the guy and me was like, oh that's not right, like looking at the video. But then the hood guy and me was like, I'm get I love a song. Let go that's it. You know, I've a game twenty years. I'm like, damn, Like you were supposed to reshoot that day, toot reshoot that like this that was the original. This is the remix, but it's not

even the remix. It's I had a question. How many videos had a guy like canned like shell, I know, like he's experienced that I've never heard. I never content is king. Yeah, but in that time, that hip hop time shoving up. Oh yeah, it's not coming out a million dollars there they shoved the ship. Video was like a million dollars. Now, when you say a million, they

gave five hundreds. Wasn't when I didn't do it. I just this was like this was a legendary, stary because I've seen the rough cut of the video, but that's pop status. I imagine that would still happen, but you're still losing, like just no way to fix its. Back then was like I was in the CD row when like Cats were coming out the Gates seven Platinum, so like they just shot Circle spent so much money and it was crazy because I remember this like it was yesterday.

This is you know. Usually executives they want to come meet you and they'd be like, you know, come by yourself. He's like, where are you at? You at the studio. I'm like yeah. He's like, make sure all of your friends out there. So I'm like a cool So I'm like, I've never heard of exact because I don't know what this pat. So he comes in. He got the rough draft for the jar U video. He puts it in. I'm looking at you know, I see what's y'all? So

what's y'all? This is I'm old school. I'm sorry. So he put it in pause cassette in the VH HAS player and I said back, I see myself like I'm my first, very first fan. Let's just be clear, like I'm my first fan, and nobody say they was Norri's first fan me, so it was me. So I see myself, I'm like, oh, shifting that up. Yeah, it's like, yeah, they're looking at the video, they see them sounds They're like, yeah, all that's the whole video play. And then he stops

and he goes it was popcorn. And I was like, because I hurt, man, it hurt. But I lived next to all the job till I got six cars. But his six cars is different from mines. I gotta they gotta made back. I gotta next school. We gotta drop, you know. So anyway, I tried to write here, you know, I tried to do this ship, and Leo said, I invested into Noriy, not pop. He wants to be like Jarro and I couldn't see it. He was one right at the time. But you know, you love yourself. Man.

It's hard to look at yourself and say this is why. But it's hard. It was a good record. It was a good record. We should have done the record like it was. We did the record like we was bawling instead of saying, you know, I'm gonna live my life and like that. Like the regular Ship, we did the exact opposite. It's Little X. It's two times being a little I think Little X is very creative. I think he's very dope. I just think me and him his vocket and milk. It just don't mix milk. It just

don't milk. You just don't mix because you know that video he messed up girls in that video, the one that you we always yeah girls girl video. So yeah, So I'm band from TV to they shelved. He's like, it's not coming out. Oh no, straight up, you know, he said. He gave me a choice. He said, listen, this this is like their story said on a drink cat like three million times. But he says. So. I was like, yo, um, I'll make a deal with you right now if you can it. I won't let you

eat up this budget. I'm gonna charge you to such and such, but you must make another record right now. So I'm like, okay, what's up? He said? If I cut you, what would you plead to me? Like? You know? Of course, I said, I bleed blood. He said, Now asked me that question. I said, if I cut you, what would you bleed? He said I would bleed? Run DMC sucker m my body. And he said, now I'm gonna ask you this question again. If I cut you, what would you bleed? I said, super thug? He said exactly.

The car services downstairs. Oh boy, it wasn't for that. It makes a noise that. It's one of my favorite stories. I've never seen a gang of thugs like I was taking, Like I'm just I was just with the tough guy. Everybody was in Miami. No, No, this wasn't in Miami when we all came to the student This was new y'all, this right track recording studio. And I seen him coming

by himself, like look everybody up and down. Don was like, yo, hit the weed, I think, and everything was like here, I know, y'all okay, because he's been he know, he's been on the tours run DMC who Jay Like, we're not showing him nothing new, We're just showing the new version of that. But anyway, that's one of my favorite hip hop stories. But I don't even know why we went there. Why did we go there? About videos about can videos? So he handed did it ever come? It

came out? Didn't He got bootleg bootle years later? Years later, like I knew, like us online, you couldn't have nothing, you know, like at the time everybody had to stop sitting. Dick pis like around that time. I don't think it around that time. I throw that out there. He's the movie. He's the movie. You know break he's the way around that time. No, I gotta I finished the drinking work pressure. Yeah you know I can listen. Yeah, I goes in,

goes in, I got my tooth pool up. He's going, I'm drinking with you because I want you to do that. So you said you said your favorite video, but you didn't say your most fun. You know, you said your most fun that that was your fun and favorite? Yeah, okay, fun and favorite. You remember which one you said? You know one of my favorites is my fiame music that was at the house. Yeah, because that time, you know, I had the penis on the camera right and I was by this let us adapter. You put it, you

can put the film. Let us yet, I'm gonna take that and make that. Let us let us do that. It's one of those I got. So this is before so you could put film Land's stuff on the on the camera to make the camera's big, so you know a little light all that's so Ross had the photo shoot with Manyon and at the carib and him up and photographer. You know what I'm saying. So he's doing the photo shooting like Ross like, let's shoot the video too. It's like that's when before things was piggyback and like

I'm doing a photos shoot. Le's shot a music video the same stock you're into this house. We can pay you back off of it. So I shot that video. That's what probably kicked it off. And I gave him the beat to what I'm saying, so like so like it's different because from you from Raine treatments. I'm there because I'm giving ross to beat and I'm watching him rite and rhyn and ride on the song. So I'm already like, yo, you can do this, so you could see it. It's like it's a cheat code for me. Kids.

I'm giving it the beat. He's making the music right there. I'm there when he first cuts it, so I already have that idea, Okay, this is what we're gonna do, and you're there for you know what I'm saying. So a lot of records like that. There's a lot of kids right now. They write their music, they produced the music and baby Gil Greece, for real, what do you think about that? Gil? I think it's great, man. Like I'm saying, it's like that's why you got so many

like talented artists now because they have access. You remember probably back in the days, probably have to save a lot of money just to get in the studio. It's just now you can't you know, you can set up shop on your computer and you can cut. But the thing about it is, I think it lowers the quality. I think I think that you know, back then, like I couldn't do a song with Bust the rhymes unless he can't actually came to the studio, like there wasn't

no different experience. Also, like me and os Body in the Trunk. Can you imagine if everybody hearty body in the Trunk and and I had to do it in your favorite would do it in California? Like everything? I wish. I want to shoot a video to that now, Yeah, I want. We're gonna do big Up, Big Up the Knives and massive phill. We got some things going together ba. But but yeah, I want, I want. That's hard. That great idea. That's a great idea that masi thematic. Do

you how about herb Gotti? Did you did you guys get a chance to see the tails? Because do you understand the concept of tails? Like he irv is taking a rap story of music. Let's say the police and he's doing a whole hour film about the police, about the one song. One song, but it's it's it's like it's making up the song. It's the song. I've been busy man, and I haven't seen it officially, Brownie hitting me. You know, I didn't know when your film gave me

you know it's good? You know, did you know it's good when it would change from gummy to right amazing? Brown let to Mr Lee Guy's are Brownie right now? So explained with tales is yeah, I just told you neither so we did one on nor would it be about the song or but I know it sounds amazing, I haven't seen it that they just take the song and then he creates a story story around visual story. We did the home Boy. How it's got the making of saying we did home Boy No no no, because

it's like deeper songs. It's like, uh like you know, like like or something. I don't know if he did anybody all of us. He did Trap. So it's like like, so when I heard why we can't do Homeboard, they did Trapped? That I mean we win, like I'm not which is the one that he's there like the police. So his whole concept. You said, yeah, it turned it around. So instead of like black officers killing I mean, excuse me, white officers killing black kids, it was black officers killing

white kids. And like the white kids are the kids in the neighborhood and the black kids are the people of privilege. So that's you know. I've seen the seeing clips on what I have on Instagram. I just haven't had a chance to sit down. I haven't even watched Love the Hip Hop Man and that I'm I'm a big fan. I don't that's my modern day soap popular baby. I love it. I'm gonna throw that out there. I don't care. It's not real. Who cares? Who cares? Man storyline?

As long as I'm not there, I'm great. But you know what it is, it's like Jerry Springer. Jerry's just horrible example. I listen, I don't care about these people real lives, but can't don't believe it. That's the Jerry Springer And that was like to, yeah, and you're getting money out there, so big up. Everybody's on Love the Man. I can't hate. What is it like a cinematic universe? They use all the love and hip hop people from l A and they come together. I feel like I

just took him brown. Yeah, tell us definitely some lean bear. There's a lean bear right there. So now a new kid starts, he starts up. What is your advice when these keep your kids? These kids kids? Your kid asked me today, He's like, Yo, what do you do? I said, get where the artists. Stick with him and just build

all your build your catalog with the artists you believe in. Somebody, just link with him or I'm not said, if you see somebody's poping, just run up to be like, I can shoot your video in the day, I can shoot your vlog, I can edit, I can do I g videos, I can do graphics. And I'm gonna stop. I stop and get kids numbers all the time. I said, your DM me boom, I go. I follow them back they and they reels and I go through shick. I mean, I think there's two kids. There's two types of kids

that come up to about being a director. One they want to be that lifestyle of the director and they're not serious about a craft. Because there was a time when that's the third time there was like remember David Myers was on Cribs it was so big and large, and and every time their name came on, like on the bottom on the credits. So they were many at

one point, they were like many superstars. And so there's just yeah, and there's and a lot of those, a lot of the casts in that era just like being man that lifestyle versus like really studying the craft and like how to take it up to the next level. And so you know, I always tell kids, follow the passion, don't follow the money because maybe like like different styles.

It's like you're the do you put it all on screen, You're laid back, you're not too much around you, You're every Grammy show because remember I do music too now, like I got an album coming out of them. So he's been nominated as well because he's A and R. And the problems before we say if you're granted saying you know and you're getting exactly you're a part of it.

Get so you know it's not just it's not directing from yourselves and executive producing, and then you know, not working on my own records, you know, like how you did with the line and and and you know Americans together, nobody was doing it really know what I did it before then maybe one TD that did like nas I think body all that was, but years was like I

wasn't for that era. I was for years so being around there being your hype man on stage like hangman on stage, you know, and then you know just cross it right there. That's real ship right there. But um, but that's what I'm saying, Like your styles are like different, But how about this is legend. When I first seen this, I've never seen what I've seen Puffs Dirty Money video. Hype was directing it. It was like, think the second maybe the first time I seen him directing the video.

He's nowhere on set, they're shooting upstairs. Downstairs, there's a blue tent. I walked into this blue tent. There's a seventies h D TV playing Avatar and he seen you there. That's hype though, how a legend. I wish I could do some ship. And then I've seen another video was that I forget But he's got a big gas stereo system and it's a rap video and he's playing whatever he wants. I'm playing Snoop Dogg right now and you just like blasted this music. Like then, how am I

getting the vibe? Usually yeah, let's tell you a start. Cavatar brod Cai had that record with m was it Kanye? Oh yeah, yes, I was there for that video Gamily that they go hard hard hard. Yeah, we had like the out. It was go hard. They shot it on the set and they did you know at the time, like me and Kali family came up like shot all

his all his come up videos. Has his own film studio, and you can go vibes and uh, but you know at certain times when when when you're working with the feature artists, that feature artists is big enough to tell the the artist, you know, we're working with this director. So I think Kanye demanded that we want for this calig video, Hype has to be the director. So Cali would call me on the line not knowing like Hype had no idea that at the time, Gil was shooting

all Cali videos. So you're like, that's your man. He's like, not Gil, You're getting this Kanye video, Like damn, that's what's up. And then if they would be like CALLI had no idea what Hype was talking because he'd be like there was no treatment and and and Hype is in that rare area. He set the trend for so many other directors, you know, and I have so much respect for him and what he did. Yeah, so he just doesn't send it a treatment and call it's nervous

because you know, he's spending his own money. And and so he asked me to be on the line and interpret what he's saying on the line, you know, and then for what I heard, like he just shows up and plays whatever music, like you said, they don't even have to be the track. But he's such an innovative thinker and sometimes just hit a miss. Sometimes people watch the hype videos and me like, I don't get it. But then every once in a while he raises the

bar and does another thing that's crazy. They built like a tunnel was black. You just stood there and its direct. Hath direct and yeah, but like as an artist, like when Ross gets a set of French gets the center, artist get a set, they want to hear the verse or you want to if you want to hear your verse because you don't even remember doing the future play

a little bit. Imagine coming this guy's fan of the office that would have been on my set to set a pressida right, yes, but now you suck it up with like the flame like that man, that's crazy that that hurt my friend. Like, okay, avatars legend, man, I might have let me get away where I talk. Come on, bro, you would have walked in and see what you never

said the mill it was out two months before. I would have been like, you would have been like, let me watch you smoking and your handle's order them win. Yeah yeah all that time. Okay, we canna get into it. But basically the first day we want to set, he's orders. He's like your Marie, you drink right. I'm like yeah, He's like a right co fucking case of Chris style, Like oh man, this need to be working with this man. You know. I'm like, right, were popping and he's like, yo,

conya guy. All right, but six bottles Louis thirteen? Mind you? I'm fucking what four twenty six Louis around that time, I don't know what the fun louis the thirteen. I'm a Hennessy kid, So I'm like, give me the pepsi. All the people want set. It's like, oh my god, it's ruined Louis because you know that supposed to mix with the pepsi. Pepsi and ice. I'm just distress and he's an old old jees. They looking like oh my god,

like they holding boom. That's like a shot. No no, no, no, no no no, the shots like fun I had a shot of that. It was like a drink. It was like wow, yeah, real ship. So I don't know I'm paying for all this. All right, let that out too early, But I know what I'm saying, but I don't know I'm paying for this. So it just repeated. It just keeps. Whatever I want, I just got it's at my disposal.

But I'm just like a right cool to the last The Last World was like, first off, things had sent us to a hotel and I knew the budget, so when they sent us to this hotel, it was like it was the closest hotel that was next to Death Value was shot in Death Valley in Las Vegas. Uh,

it was shot in the valley in Las Vegas. Well, the funny ship is when we went there, they said, oh yeah, we we gotta take this, these these vitamins because Masterpiece DP died yesterday, and they just said like it was normal, Like wait, wait a minute, what the fun did you just say? That's how hot It was in the desert. But even when we're moving on, we had the motherfucking the hotel. So I go in. I gotta take a ship. You know, the hotel is fucked up.

This is this is a motown. I know we started with supposed being a long at motel, right, but they're like, yeah, this is the only This is the fourth day of shooting. By the way, Mondy, we shot two or three days and the like. This is after the Crystalle. Remember the Christal was one day, the Louis thirteen, but the next day that's two days of my boxing scene. We had it the first two takes. So anyway, I get to

the joint, I'm like, so I'm taking a ship. I'm trying to suck it up and I'm taking a ship and I just feel somebody looking at me. But I'm looking. I'm like, damn, and it's a big ass spider right here. I said, so, no, no, I got the funk ab out of there, but got up a crazy sit was mad at my na. He was already knocked out sleep. I was like me, can I do this? So we jumped in the car. We went back to the Vese Boom.

I don't know what you go back, and then when you know, when you go in the casino, you know it's in that pumps in your oxygen that it just keeps you up so dead tired. Like if you're still halfway up and you sit there, that oxygen is gonna hit you, you're gonna wake the funk back up. And so we woke up, got drinks, went back to the set. Me now we finally go to the set. They go to the set. So at first, since at first what happened, we were the dune Buggies because being you know, so

you know we're city boys. Yea, my boys don't want the dune Buggies crash. This is what I knew. The desert is real. We crashed like so we're like, oh, the sat is right there. We kept walking at walking and walking. You know that Maurage is round, like yo, this just looks right there. We're walking like ten minutes like, oh y'all come guy. Like, So as I'm walking back,

I see a girl walking up. Who um the chicken, So I take no, no, no. When they finally come get us to be getting you, so they come get us, be coming back, and then I see you know the chicken sautee. This is a very distinctive. At the time. I remember at this time, there's no there's no there's only too minuch of child it's only there's only too much of childs. At the time, there's New York and l A. It's not Lea cows. There's not these other you know, red sticks, these other people who make these

you know chickens. So say, yeah, they ain't no more. They got another spot. There's just salt taste that just so taste on it. But so I see this chick so I'm like, yo, excuse me, Like where'd you get because they gotta seat and craft food. You know, they gotta eat what the what what the production is eating? And you know the duction food don't got no type of sauce, type of season. And I don't know why the people that people that made the production food don't

let them taste bod y'all. They vanished in l A. Yeah, okay, flavor the only one recently, that's the only time I actually Spanish people. I don't even know how can do that? Just take what I said, Yo, when you get that hype, you are well hypes trailer. He had a whole thing full of Mr Chap like I'm talking about that ship smelled like the rest of them. When you walked in, you like that. You expect that they're gonna come up

with you and like, what do you want, sir? Like Child said, yeah, this is esomelling your boys do your word, he said, I'll just well you. You had them driving up from l Baby saying what the l A one is? Track commercial? Like I stand came the so just womped like fourteen who city blocks and I was woken too. So I was just so hungry. I was got call my points are. We were mad. We wanted to be like you pictures what the people like. We're hungry though too, just tore it up. We left. We left with half

of that ship. Yo, you know we're taking this ship had no use for us as an artist. At what point when you what's the point you realized that I just paid for that in your career. No, I didn't. I didn't see nil Levine that that was it. That was that moment, Like see, I knew the studio had to be rein birth. So I was always like a coarse effective guy, meaning to this day, I won't go to the studio unless I do four records, because I come from an era where it was no punching, Like

you had to take ship back together. But yeah, you had to take it like I didn't want to, like ye, like when you messed up and you had everything one PI, they had to tape, it had to go back and re recorded. Yeah, so it takes so long to do that tape that you like, you just want to get it at the first tape, so like I used to just so I came from that, you know what I mean.

But I was now I want to know, like when when you realize that the mister child everything a million dollar video that was your bank a loan from them, and when we came back because even the Lvani Lvan was there on a set with us, Like that's the one good thing about ven he was signing with me. But because because initially he had to pay the money back to this was Tommy boyfriend and then being there, you would think you'd be like yo, I would think

he would say, but he left the moment. What is why I had to was in the same boat as he's in the same book, because he's sitting along from Tommy boy That's why I had, and I'm talking about the hype blade that I was about. The room I had was like it was it was like four of these officers Like I didn't it was spaces in the room. I didn't even see, like it was no need. I didn't. I didn't even go over there, you know what I mean,

like for real, they run to some crazy ship. For me, this was the time when they were spending money like craze. That's god, that's the nineties budgets. I just have a moment of silid sped nineties two thousand budgets. Please everybody just be quiet for the budgets that the rest of the peace. Oh man to the budget man, the budget start resist no more? Right spend you said the budgets,

don't resist no more. Those budgets are drying the funk up right now, this something exists like it's like pop stars and like wore like hold on, they're not gonna make some drug dealing niggs. That would just be like they hit three hundred, right you do take. I didn't get. I might got the small really small. I never got the no no no no about that, like the being error. They were shooting videos, what shooting who was shooting to being videos. I don't know that. Did you do any No? No,

I though somebody did. I think it's one of the classes everything. So that was shooting real big budget videos. Everything they did. So you O, g's are Nick that that whole We got a freshman class. Who was in your cover? I mean like Hype Williams Hunter, you know, Nick quested, Um, I see the cover in my head right now. I mean you know that Dave Myers, you know, he was real creative. He got to enjoy the nineties

the best. I think he was killing people. Don't realize how much money these cats were baking.