Episode 86 w/ John Singleton

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he day is New Year's Eve? Just round, he said, Hope, Savia, it's your boy and r DJ and his Drink Chance Mother podcast. Right now, right now, we have the legendary, a guy that I feel like cinema should be handed to him like period. Like when it comes to cinema, he has to be the executive producer of the word of the word. Like when you look up cinema, he gotta be his face, gotta be right there. He's made legendary movies. He's got to work with the legends of

the legends. He made the legends put him in the first movie. But especially hip hop. When it comes to hip hop, he was I feel like he invented this. I ain't gonna take the rappers and I'm gonna make them movie stars. I feel like he gives some jobs. Right now, we got the legendary John Singleton and the mother. Now where did you get the love for developer? Been sent him a period? How did how did that even

come to you? I grew up next to a drive in theater and I used to look out my window and I s to see like Kung Fu movies and horror movies and Michael Myers and stuff and Last Protection movies. And I saw Pam Gris titties and I was like, are you saying Pam's great titties is what made you focus. I gotta get that's what made me do that. That's what happened. It's true story. I'm not making it up.

Everybody knows baby Boy was supposed to be a role for tupac Y. How how difficult was that saying that, you know what, I wrote this originally for my friend because you guys was friends and he's not here. How difficult was that to pick that actor? That Tyre's actor. I put it up on the show for years after that because the last thing, the last conversation I had with Pop was at the crushaw Mall. He was doing this video to Live and Die in l A and I was like, I got the movie that's gonna get

you on Oscar, you know, And that was it. That was And then you know, a couple of weeks later, he wasn't with us anymore, So I didn't. I wasn't had a planning on doing the movie at all at all. And it's just, uh, I know Tyres since he was sixteen years old, and I dished this movie Shaft. He was supposed to Tyres was supposed to be in the movie, but he was too busy being an MTV v J.

And then I said Okay, I got this movie. I'm gonna pull off the shop and you know, you know, just like people have stuff and files and stuff, I got movies and crates and stuff that I've written, and I said, okay, maybe this is the time to do this movie. But by the way, Shaft, like when people do remix, it's very hard because and I can't believe how you pulled off Shaft like that. Yeah, but it was. It was good. It was good to be in New York. It was a crazy time to be I wasn't. We

was in the high school. We was. We was hard. It was all over the whole city. Um, it was. It was you know, you remember it was that was when I was making that movie. We were the only movie that was shooting at the time. It was like in the daytime and the night I was shooting in the night and then sometimes the night I was up in Cheetah and sent your flying like the first thing. That was the first thing I said to you. What

I like, I was like, oh my god. But I was like I was a wild person then I was. I'm different now, more conservative, servative. When movies, it's movies with like you have to go through something like you know how sometimes comedians will come out with things every five years because it's like they actually got to go through experiences. But for me, it's for me, making films is kind of an emotional experience. Um. You know, I put my all into it. I put my heart and

soul um you know. Um, and it's just like it takes something out of you, but it gives something back. And every time I do a movie, it's an adventure. So um you know. Um, lately I've been just like concentrate on television instead of movies because people are watching more TV than our films and there's a lot more to do. Um you know, Like you can make it make a movie every two or three years, but the film a TV show, it's like doing a movie every week.

You get a chance to shoot, pull a new talent, put people in and see how they work, and then maybe if they work on the TV show, then you take them off to a movie. So that's my that's my body. You feel the same way about writing and directing, Yeah, yeah, I mean I have to whatever I do, I have to write. I have to write because I have to put my on stink on it. That what made you say to ice Cube. You said, because because I remember

you saying that you knew. Thank you. So you said to ice Cube and just so you know, it's it's a plastic on it, come on, you help him out. Come on your closest thing. Come on, okay, let me sure it open dearly. I don't even want to do it. But you said to ice Cube that his first rhymes were like movie like so and then he went later on and created Friday. Did you ever think you should have been a part of Friday as well? Yeah? I did.

Let his true story Cube. When we were doing Boys in the Herd, he started like looking at how movies are made, watching the set, so that he did a video called Dead Homies. You've seen that video. It's really cinematic. He started like, you know, slow wing shots and really cinematic stuff. And you know, even when Cube had other people direct the movie, the videos, he wouldn't be quasi directed. So then he was like, okay, I want to write movies.

I said, well, okay, I've gotta get a laptop. He meet him and his now wife when she was time when going on laptop and he's a screenwriting stuff. So he started he wrote, he wrote from that, the next year and a half he wrote like three screenplays. He wrote different titles and screenplays and everyone, and I was like this one. And then he stopped showing me his screenplays. So then he wrote because I kept shipping on him a little bit because I was like, because it's my brother, right,

you could do better than this, right. And then but he was also selling them too. You know, it didn't matter if I thought there was happy. He sold some stuff to Universal. He was selling like that I got produced. He was just selling screenplays. And then so that he did he we do we do higher learning together. And then he's like I'm doing this other movie and said

and he's like I'm um, and it's like okay. But but he started Friday out independently on Money Up on Friday, and the new line was like we want to help you. And I was like if people have told me that, I would like everything in it, because it was like, you know, when he finally got it done and showed it to me, I was like, that's gonna it's gonna be huge, and it was you know what I mean,

are we talking about Friday? Friday? Friday? Okay, so Friday, you know, he did that all on his own, man, you know, looking at now man, Yeah, yes, so so now I'm glad you brought up higher learning, right because higher learning. I feel like it was a socially conscious movie. Yeah, we don't really have socially conscious movies anymore. No, we don't matter. Are we missing that? We're missing a lot

of things we were missing. It's a little John. That's how we're doing in drink chants, That's how we're doing. So are we missing social conscious movies? I think we're missing movies that about something. I think we need that now more than ever because I'm kind of brought proud of jay Z for the writer's alan Doctor Brout. That was nice. That was that was it was beautiful. That was beautiful for him to tell that story. And now

him he's doing a trade Von Martin story. I feel like doing a movie and the doctor trade mar and I think that's really smart. Um and and um something that needs to be done. Yeah, because we need that, like for our community. Because um, I just feel like it's balanced. I feel like levels fell backwards. This level, we've gotta balance it. And I feel like that's the perfect way. It's just it's because there's so many of us more in our community, a walk more than they read. Yeah,

exactly exactly. I mean, I mean it's what I do. I like to do films that are life, make people think, but also entertained, so then they have to watch it several times and be like, you know, did I really see that in there? Hold on that another time? So you know, even when I make a film that that it's really really has heavy issues in it. It Uh, it's entertaining. You know what I'm saying. You don't really notice, you know, now poetic This role ice Cube role was

originally to excuse me, Tupac's role was originally ice Cubes. Yeah, yeah, exactly, and Cube said he wanted to do do was okay, And now why why at the time we see Tupac and Juice. We see Tupac everywhere else. But what makes you say I'm gonna make Tupac riding the mall band with Jackson he killed? Because um, I mean, you know he was. It's crazy because I didn't even give it a second thought because you know, I realized Pocket just and it hadn't even come out yet. Oh yeah, but I heard

you say you saw the movie in advance. I saw the movie were in advance. I said, okay, let's let's dude. You know, I wasn't I wasn't thinking about him to be in poor jestice. I was still thinking about cute and I was like, we gotta do something together. So we chopped it up and just like you know, and he just he just got back because he had got into l A and I was like, we gotta do something together. So when Cube said what he said, I said, okay. I called up him and I said, you know you

want to do it? He said, yeah, yeah, I'll do it. You know, now, boys in the Hood, Boys and Hook comes out first, right, the minister society comes out. Yes. I gotta ask a petty question, what's the time. What's that time between them? Just two years? Did you ever think like they could have it? I was not hug Brothers. Yeah, yeah, we never heard your side of the story because I kind of felt like, oh ship, they just madetion with

that movie too. Well, No, they just made they made an interesting film that was more violent than my movie. My movie was my movie was? I say, it was more kind of embedded in what um, what my personal experience was in the studio that made Mini Society said that we gotta have some pans too. There was you know, there's a lot of movies, but in retrospect, when Society is the best of all of those movies that came after Boys, you know, because there's a lot of movies

that they tried to copy. It was like, you know, yea, but but you know, in fact, my favorite character and the Society's old dog, because he was he was like most asociated, right, you know, to Pap was supposed to play this character, this other character, that another dude that was in Boys Fante Sweet play he was a more conscious brother. Oh that's right. I was a teacher that right, and then he had court Beef and the Hughes brothers and to So so what is what? What? What? What?

What is? John Singleton? What are you sitting back and saying that, you know, happy that you didn't produce I know you're doing a lot of TV what I was, But what do you enjoy like when you yeah, I mean like in terms of like just life and stuff, movies, TV. I know you're doing too much TV to watch TV. I'm too much TV to watch TV. I don't even get a chance to really watch my TV because I'm

making TV right now. I mean, like, you know, I like movies and stuff and everything, but the movies, the movies now are not you know, I don't feel that they're they don't push hard enough in terms of the culture as much as possible, you know what I'm saying. You know what I mean, Like in terms of mainstream movies, you know, um, and that needs to be done, you know what I mean, because like because like like Boys in the Hood was so much of an important message.

It's just like, yo, you know, you can live the street life, but there's actually consequence. Exactly, there's actually and that's what hip hop sometimes fails to tell. We only always yeah, I don't know you're gonna do nine years, you know what I'm saying. Not at the other end of it, Yeah, exactly, No, I'm out about the reality of it, you know what I'm saying. What was that like your goal? Because I know no, oh wow, My

goal was just basically a telling story. I was just like, you know, just like trying to get something off my chest, that an experience that I lived, that that I lived through, um, and that a lot of my family and friends had had left through. So that was always about what if ice Cube said no to play dough Boy would want to go there? Think of nobody, where will we be now he didn't play the part man, it was like, you know, I think he was robbed up Oscar nomination.

I think he should because it's one of those timeless performances that that just exists. You know what I'm saying. And I'm gonna be honest with you when I look at like, if I want to describe the West Coast, how I first visualized the West Coast, I wouldn't start at Poison. Yeah, I would start there and be like you work around there. I actually go there first and then call us. I cursed it when I was a school with film East Coast, so I don't no, but

it wasn't real. It was it was derivative. It wasn't because it wasn't done by by by black people. It was like it was like, you know, it was like there was nothing about that that thing that was really true, truly whatever. You know, like people were more caricatures and caricatures they weren't real, you know. And then so you know, so now I gotta get to the million dollar question. Listen why is it John Singleton directing this Tupac, Why

I feel like you gotta get another shot. I feel like you gott get another shot because we want the real answer, and I'm gonna take one with you. I'm not gonna busy myself on this. And then because you know, you're gonna bring up fashions and you know, and everything and stuff, because because it's documented that you guys are friends, it was like nobody can't dispute that. Well, just say that the people that that got the rights to do the movie, they had different ideas on how to do

the movie than I did. And that's part of it at some point, right, Yeah, it was yeah in the beginning, right exactly. Well no, not as it came in through and everything. But you know, let them, let them make that move and let's see how it does and let's see what's because you're personally involved, So does that ever like like mess up in your creative process? Like because I'm personally of all, that means I'm more focused and born like you know, I'm more like get it, you

know what I'm saying. Like that means I'm I'm you know, as I'm saying better, you know, what I'm saying, I'm down on the ground. I'm ready to shoot, you know what I mean? Like that makes it more powerful that I'm more personally involved. And you know if Bennie Boom haven't even met too, funk, I don't want to go. Beny is my friends. By's my friends too. But I'm just thinking, I'm just I don't care. You got that, yes, boy?

Every time I say something bad about with Betty Cosby and said, you know, so, it's like, you know, I don't even want to touch you right now. You know, let the movie come out. Y'all make your own judgment what you want to say about the movie. But if you had your choice, how would you have done it? Because I think I don't know if you've seen like the Outlaw guys, he had just said something, Yeah, he accused you of saying that he wanted he wanted to

put a rape scene of Tupac in. Then well, there's a whole lot of things that that that they were not having the movie, that that actually happened, that they won't want to We're not saying Tupac got raped. There's a whole lot of things that happened. There's a whole lot of stuff. That's the stuff that why why who actually was involved in his death? Why didn't die? And I'm saying, well, the lead up to his death, know what I'm saying. Like, so I don't know what they

did with the movie. So you know, it's like I can't even speak on it because I don't know what that did with the movie. And I won't watch the movie, you know what I mean? But if you had your choice, how would you did the movie? If you'd have had your choice, how would you did the movie? How would I did the movie? Like, I'm not saying that over podcast. Ye I'm gonna make you know, I make them right movie, I'm you know, not to understand. And I don't want

to speak on this over and over there. I come from, I come from, I come from you know. Um Tipac was born nineteen seventy one. I was one n seventy eight. We are revolutionary babies. It's a difference between being a revolutionary baby and being someone who's just hip hop, you know what I mean. We were built, you know, for the betterment of our people. We were built for to

bring everybody up, you know what I'm saying. And a whole lot of stuff that happened, and and and in terms of black black liberation was faltered because black people were not in solidarity with each other, you know what I'm saying. So you know that's what I'm saying. I don't want to be. I don't want to be that person that keeps on having dissension or whatever. That they've made the movie. They stole the rights from his mother,

so they made the movie they want to make. And hopefully one day I will get a chance to tell that story. But otherwise I got all this other ship that I'm trying to do that is is in line with what my principles are as a person and as a black man, and that I'm going to do. So that's that's all I want to speak. To make some noise for that. Damn, let's make some noise for that. Someone still trying to make a part movie in the future. Yeah, of course, I think you should do a commentary or

at least at least. No. No, this has to be. It has to be a movie. It's it's too it's too it's too it's too important not to just make a movie. I mean, like, you know, there's so many different things around life, who he was as a person, you know, and why people can be inspired by it, right, you know, now it's such it's such a great story. So, um when I hear, like, you know, when people have differences with it, I always listen because, um, I never got to meet Tupac A. Yeah, I never got to

meet Tupac. Actually, uh he actually hung out in my hood and I was in jail, So I actually never got to meet Tupac. So I'm always this is actually me as a fan. They just asking. But now you also got to work with somebody who's also legendary and who also I think is innocent. Um O J. Simpson, you got to work with Old J. I don't have to work with him. I met him before. I met him before, but I did. I did a episode of the show based on the people first Old J. Okay, Now,

how was that? Like? It was good, it was interesting, it was fun, it was like, you know, it was good because, um, he changed l A after that, but he changed he changed culture. Yeah, I mean, yeah, I mean, I mean, I mean what I mean is like we just looked at l A like from the couture, like at this coast point of view, we were just like old because yeah, here that's weird. I mean, it was just weird. It was just I mean because like we

never knew we thought only our cops was racist. We never knew that outside of our ship, this as other people that's racist. You know what I'm saying. Like we didn't travel. But after Old J, it was like clear, it was just like, holy mole, guacamole, this is what's going down. But I never thought Old J did it. And I met Old J as well. When we met him, it was right, you know, I met him twice, you know, can do kid? Yeah, you know our neighbor. Yeah, he was at that time. Yeah, and he was walking out

the best. But he said, my leg is killing me. And I thought that was the funniest thing in the world. And he said that I don't get he was limping, something was wrong with his leg. And he goes, my leg is killing me. Just sat killing Yeah, bad lads, bad leg. But I just you know, you know what it is. I don't go around like real killers, right, and like this. It's always a certain instinct about exactly, and he didn't have it exactly. He did not have it. But I got to say the story about when we

met him at the concert. What he said, you gotta tell the story, please. I feel like I feel like you don't co sign like that you're talking about it. So what concert? It was something? It was a radio station, you know they do like summer jams and the concert Fort Myers. So my record Labe would tell me, don't stand next to old Jacks had posting it. He's it's the oddest thing in the world. It's me host. Honestly, this is crazy. So we're all backstage done with him

and his boys and his crew at that time. His boys called murder Uni murder. Oh Jay comes back, and then everybody's like, let's take a picture together. And there's this infamous picture when when he snapping the shot, one of his boys says, you Richard. He said, yeah, it was all it was. So you clearly remember that I'm making this. I thought it was me who said it's I'm looking at him. Then this thing like oh hell yeah. But I'm honestly I never thought yeah yeah. And this

is before Instagram. But we do gotta picture that the figure. We don't have a picture of that moment, but we gotta picture of that night. No, you have a picture of when he said that, right, yeah, alright, but that was awesome working on that because you from you from that time, you live through that exactly. So is it

better for you to be passionate about the project. It's much better for me to be like passionate about it taking personal like you know, just feel it in my heart, you know, And that's you know, that's what it's about. Have you ever done something for the money? It was just like this is just for the money, yeah, you know, but it doesn't work out, like it doesn't work out

too well. Explain that to you. It's like it's just you have to whenever you do something you know, artistic, whether or not, even if you're getting paid for it, it's better to do it for the passion of it, for the heart of it. And she really feel it that,

you know. It's just you know, in your blood, like you would do anything, you know, you kill somebody if they funk with your ship, you know what I'm saying, Like, you know, that's that's that's how I am about certain things, you know what I mean when I'm doing or something,

you know, and not everybody's about that. People are just you know, they're just going about the jobs and you know, whatever it is for me, I'm like, I'm like Laser, I'm like, I gotta get it, you know, I feel like I feel like I just I mean, I mean, you know, I know you for years, I know you your real drinking years, right, But I feel like I feel like that's what drives you. It's passionate first, and you feel it in the world because you like, when

you're watching something, you feel it. You feel it passion. That's why I can get people to do things that they would they would do with me, but they wouldn't do what other people. You know what I'm saying, Like, you know, like scenes and baby boy everything, you know what I mean. Like it's great, right, you already know what the drink Chance is gonna be watching Sunday, June at eight pm Eastern seven pm Central. BT Awards two thousand seventeen is live hosted by no other than comedian

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I passed. I just didn't think like doing the whole thing. No, No, the first season, I didn't. I didn't know it was gonna be what it was, but it was. By the time it got into this like thirst season, I was like, wait a minute, because corners corners came before and corners it wasn't that great. Corners is all right, but it wasn't. But the wire, it wasn't that why it was. The wire was lit, you know what I mean? It was lit. It was so lit. It was like I really, yeah

it did. So who you get the call for the wires? HPO or the agent called me. I was like, I'm not gonna do that. I was like, is that the only thing you ever passed on? You regret it? Or the only thing I can remember right now? You know? You know, now, is there anything that like, uh, you have set out to do? You did it and then you was disappointed in the outcome? No, not at all.

I mean, like, you know, I think of my work that thousand right now, you know, so you know, I'm still still hitting it really hard, you know, I'm I'm gonna do you know, some my TV and up tell and do some of my movies. But everything I do is gonna be real passionate and hitting it really really hard. Now what do you like better? Though? I know you're you're doing the same thing TV, TV or the same thing and it's the same thing. It's the same thing

to me. It's the same thing to me. You watch anything that I produced on TV, it looks, you know, like one of my any less or more work. No, no, now, we got Rebel on BT correctly, and you gotta permit for Rebel tonight. Yeah, an that episode today? Okay? And what is this act? So people couldn't oh this is private? What what the Rebel premiere tonight? Oh no, no, in

the night? This it's not in the night. But you know you said you do it every week before the joints, so we would like to go, oh yeah, we just have a little thing in sin Lounge in the in the valley in San Fernando Valley. It's like bab um So on the Lancashire. You know, it's a little spot. So what's the next thing for black media? Like, okay, Birth of the Nation came out, It didn't work right, because it felt like it was. It worked. It just

got squashed, it got it got squashed. So what's the movie got squashed because they didn't want that movie to come out? You know, you know with the Black Lives Matter stuff and all stuff, they that movie. They squashed that movie. You know what I mean. That's the real time. It's very true. That's talk that squash the movie. And and black people are kind of like, you know, they have a completit of squashing that movie. But as a movie director, was the movie? Uh? Good? Period? The movie

was good. It was good movie. It was good. It's a good movies good. Okay, you see the movies. I didn't know you see the movie. I've been running around. I've been running around. I ain't see my old movie. I can do my old movie right now. But listen, man, um, we need more directors like you, right. We need more people who are passionate and they work. So so if a person is listening to this podcast and they that's their goals, that's there there there, that's the that's what

they want to achieve, how do you get started? Because now these kids can just buy the equipment. Like when you started, that was you had to be almost rich to get cameras. Yeah, but you have to you have to look at to do it really really well, you

have to study it. You have to study what came before and in the style and tone, um you know, and and theme and you have to like be round read about how story story you know people, you know, how stories to propagate universally, you know what I mean, um, in different languages and stuff, right, And that's what you know. That's what made me do what I create and create and then and then you create your style when you went to film school though, Yeah, but before film school

I was doing all that. And even after film school, I kept learning. I'm learning all the time, you know. So if a younger record director is sitting out there and they feel like they're creative, they feel like they can write, what's the first step you suggest for the UH to watch all movies and watch movies from around the world, hard, hard far back. You think they should watch movies to the beginning of cinema, to the beginning of the moving picture. You have to you have to

study it. Be a student of the game. Student of the game. Now now you you rolled off all colors? Is American meat really authentic. That was a great I mean, I'm not saying that because I'm not good. How about blood and blood out? That was the color? Were doing another shot. I don't let me doing those. Come on, you gotta do. You're gonna to a party. You're on your way to you so rich man were here, you got yacht to all type of things, and you know what your humble god, but almost I'm a brag for

brag for you backdam I'm brack for you man. You know what I mean. We're gonna listen. I don't know if you know what our show was about. Giving all legends flowers when they can smell them, and treats when they get in hell them because our our society so much praise as a person after they die, and I

feel like that is so backwards. Yeah, I should be able to tell you how much I appreciate you right here and face to face man and man, as opposed to waiting for you to pass away and then be like, yeah, he's a great guy, me and him party they get back in the day. I should say that now, like you know what I'm saying, like, and I actually learned that through Dave Chappelle. You know when the way it was print and it was like he started praising Prince

while Prince was alive. And it's just like, that's what we got to continue to do. And that's not just as a culture, that's as as people, like as human human beings. As human beings, we gotta start praising our people. Why are they're here? So with that being said, how wasn't working with Janet Jackson penny? You know, come on, it's beautiful. It was jerked off the penny a lot. Throw that out there. It was good. I don't know that's serious. The whole age thing. No, that was not serious.

That was a joke that we was having on the set. Because the real talk is Tupac was attracted de Jana. I was attracted de Jana. The world was. We're in the set, we're both trying to like, you know, floodwater and stuff, and I'm like, you know what, I don't know, if you know, I should have you kissing on my actress because you know, you've been fucking around all this ship.

You know, Pop was just coming to his own then, right, And I was like, man, that was like, yeah, you know what you're gonna have to do an as test for y'all do this left scene. It was a joke, but he said, no, no, you know it's me saw not my nigger on the side right before, just like talking sh and then we're like, oh, ship, we should we should we should use this, we should put this out there. So that's what we did as a publicity thing.

As a publicity thing, we just did that shot. But it's just like us talking about Twitter got mad at Jackson about it, but it was just us talking on the ship, on the set and everything this and you know, it was an inside Joe. That's when it works. Now, not only did you get to work with Janet Jackson, you got to work with the big man, Mike Jackson. Did he have a glove one when you met him. No, he didn't have a guy. He's where he wore the

old like a lot and he did. He did. It's a crazy because in his in his problem was you see it Michael on camera and stuff. He didn't talk the way that he talks, you know, and you say that like Mike was a nigger, like mich was like different difference every tune and everything that. Yeah, you know, I'm just saying that just that was a petition that he put on for the cameras. He didn't he wouldn't talk about it. He was just a brother. He was

a different every different to me and everything. It's just like, you know, he's just like hey, you know. And he was really despite what he you know, he ended up doing to his face and his skin got lighter and everything. He was a real brother man. It was really about black people because I heard that video. He actually that was after Magic actually announced and he wanted to do something and Mike wanted Mike wanted Magic in the video. He said, you know, caling Magic, Let's get him in

the video. Remember the time, remember the time. I hate that ship in my head, right, I ain't gonna lie. I couldn't have met Michael Jackson. I would have like I would have gave him. I would gave him on fire too hard games a great oh not Nature gave us the crazy Michael Jackson. But so how was it? Was he a pure genius? Like was he everything? He was?

His damn their genius? I mean Dan Mar genius. I mean like you know the things that that that he did and that he uh and that he wanted to do and stuff, you know, like unprecedented in this business. Have you ever been um starstruck? Yeah? Who, I gotta hear this. I mean, I've only been star shot two times in my whole career. I need to hear both.

Let's go for it. The first was meeting Steven Spielberg because it's like, you know, as a kid going up, you know, like he was, you know, the the young person that went on to make movies at an early age, and I wanted to be like that. Um, just nervous to you know, I saw him and that it was as soon as I saw him and we met, just was like it was like, um, you know it was. It was as great you know, he's like the golfather godfather filmmaking and filmmaker. The second was what your prior

rich Probor. I remember was prior at the comedy store. I was. I used to hang out the comp store. As soon as you tell you char prior, I thought, the comedy store and so uh. And it's funny because Richard probably was hanging out with opportuna comedy club was Hollywood this with Alpat Richard probably saying that with Opportuno and I can't even your life is dope and I'm like, let's throw that out there. I don't even look at opportune and I'm looking at much private. But Richard used

to have this do that work for him. Um it came over to me, um and and he said, uh, you know, uh, Richard would like to say hello, J And I walked across to him and Richard was kind of frail. Here the ms was getting him. But it wasn't as bad. It wasn't wheelchair. Yeah, it wasn't built your both and he just said, uh uh, you young man that made that movie poison the hood just came out and I said, yes, sir, I am. And mind you because you're like me. You listen to every rich

pe Mama had s birth curse. He said, are you the man that mad the movie? I said, yes, sir, yeah, and he goes against me a hut niger. I just cried on the shoulder I saw, I said, because because this is a man. And then after that we became friends. I used to go up to his house and he said he'd be sitting up in the bed. He had a gun right by the side of his bed. This mother had a gun right next to and every comedian Wayne's brothers, whoever it was, he pulled guns out. No, No,

these people would come through. They would come through every day to pay homashed Richard. And this before he really got sick. So it's like, you know, we were just he was on his way to being sick. That's what was coming. He was sick, but he was coming to

pay homages. Just to pay hommy. They were they know there was coming pan house, because you just want to be around with you probably if you want to be a comedian, you want to be around with your pride, and so um, we were just sitting chop it up and he was just you know, it was just tell me, how about other business? How about that movie? You should be a part of that movie. I can't do them all, man. I would love to. I would love to, yeah, because yeah,

he was. He was ultimate storyteller. And I still take a lot from him as a storyteller in terms of the way that he with Ben. Stuff been lines and he would just you know, he was the he was the storyteller the streets. If you think about all the stuff that Joseph you listened to him, they were really sad stories, some of them. Don exactly. He was like Don going to the Pemper comedy, so people knew how

to do that. So I so when I take a lot from him in terms of like when I when I tell a story, I just toestuff that maybe a little sad but funny, funny but sad, you know what I'm saying, because that's what life is. Life. It's not just one thing, you know what I mean. We go to movies and say, oh, that's just a comedy. That movie is just a serious movie. When you watch one of my movies, it's it's a reflection of life. So I mean Richard, Richard is an ultimate storyteller. To me,

what we ever have uh dope error like that? Again, like the nineties cinema, would that ever be turn a different way? I think we had a different way. I think we're having a different way. I think the as own as has been more voices that are really uncut, impure and just like you know, not afraid to maybe necessary offend some people, you know what I mean, Like

you know that's what it's about. It's not you know, I don't think people push it as far as they could push it in terms of uh of any anything. You know. Now, it was Empire, like your first TV That wasn't your first TV it was. It was my first TV show directing on Yeah, what did you work on TV before prior to part? I mean I was on TV shows, but I never directed. That's the first

one I worked on. But you know that came about because you know, without Empire, that without me, that would be not st get real talk Okay, because Hustle and Flow Yeah you you invested in herself. Flow paid said for the whole movie. Yeah wow, so that was Lee Daniels. No, no, I supposed me what was supposed produced some Flow Okay, okay, okay, okay, but Lee funded from them get the whole whole thing. So what does Lee Daniels had to do with nothing?

He had not He made He made Empire. Oh, Terence, you got my veterans from Horse and Flow to do a TV show. Oh that's with the relationship, you know. But we are brothers. You know that. It's beautiful to see us win and celebrate us winning, all of us as people. It's just it's about time. That of the show is about man, The show ain't about you know. You go on certain you know, internet shows and you can see negative ship we just celebrate all people. We drink,

we smoke. I was about to ask you you're gonna smoke, but I feel like you've got sponsors. No, I don't know sponsors if I want to, but I want to. I don't want you to get my friend. You take it, You're take it. Take it man like. I just want to thank you man for um for being a part of this. You know, this is just just like again, we want to continue to celebrate our culture, our lifestyle, all ways of life and just continue to get back

to the community and just have fun doing it. It's so much you know, dumb ship happened in the world. When people turn on the news and you get sad, I would rather they turn on this and get happy, happy yond they you know what I'm saying, You're gonna put me in the movie or somethinghere, gona like anything. I'm whatever I've been. I've been trying to get one of the first year he's my friend. I'm like, I'm talking, I gotta get in one one Like it's just it's it's that you called I MB, M, D D. You

know I'm foul, Hollywood. I need the I, M, B and D and B. No I need more than my list. I'm good. I want to do East Coast movies. I want to try to play a West Coast crib movie on the West Coast. I did The hard Heart, the one don't you ever watching? It's called seven? Oh did I just say? And I played the Black Guy died as soon as you chop my head off, I fucking chop my head off. That's that's so black. That's a horrid movie. We don't lask a horror movies in real life.

I think I would survive hard, Like if you put me in some scary shot, like you know what, I rably get shot at though that's a hard movie to me. I rably get shot at. And then a snake chase me, like, I gotta I got no experience in the snake chase, Like I've got got that before, no good behind the call, wait all your gold like, but now for snake chase me. That's not my element, Like I'm gonna just be like, wait a minute, hold, well, I'm getting bit. I'm dying. If a snake hit me, I'm dying. I got no

experience with that. We got we gotta make real reality shows. You know what they've got fair factor. You gotta mean like hood factor, like fiery shot at some hood? Second, what good if you shot at what's the internet? Don't you're able to give me someone put me on to this. It's a little suspect put it's something where they do goes chasing and it's it's a little crazy, little straight Now that we don't have those TV we got those services.

Ghost is in the hood. We got we gotta wander that wakes up every day and say that's good morning. That ship is an experience, you know what I'm saying. Like every every hood's got a crazy person, right like every hood has a crazy person. It's the characters that you write as they based on real characters to tell a lot of them, especially the hood one. Yeah, exactly, there's some of the characters in the hood. You know,

you're right, there's always a neighborhood characrazy person. There's always and everybody deals with they're crazy like they were like, yeah that's that she does like and stuff maybe one and then maybe on Sundays they're not crazy And I don't feel like they're crazy to day, like I don't you know, and they don't the best advice and you don't listen to Yo, John John Man. I can't thank

you enough. Man, Yo, you're such a legend. Man. You did so much for this game, You did so much for the for for for hip hop, and particularly by you always incorporated the hip hop artist even you got method man and right now, and you also do the facts. We didn't even risines and snow far. You know, it's a whole lot of you keep it hip hop incorporated. We appreciate that, man, because I do. You don't do.

You a legend. You know, we were one of the best artists ever and you keep us alive and there's nothing. And you also was the first person to put a West Coast guy and the East Coast guy higher learning and busted us. Yeah, I don't know if you ever I don't know if you ever beat that. That was like the first That was like the first union from the West Coast and East coast is because we was high and learning at actually act and it was in l A. Okay. See, we never knew that on the

East coast us. It was just that was neutral. It was like a good way the West Coast l East coast. Think this is crazy. You didn't know that, right, now you know just it's my folks. It's just people I was knowing at the time that you know it and I also here that that that that's how passionate you are. You like you like like the Adam Samma because Adam Sama always hired the same crew. You kind of hi the same crew like to put you know, people I know, and work with people I know you know, and we

just we make something happen. You know. Is it easier that way when you work with somebody you know, because you know you can scream on him and you can text later and scream on I screamed on everybody. That's what everything you know. But but what I do is I make careers. Though what I'm saying, when people work for me, they end up doing other stuff. Though that's not just a flash in the pan. Oh get the

latest rapper in the movie for facelook whatever. Like No, it's like people do up doing things, you know what. I've been trying to getting something for John Singleton. He wouldn't come out of the SOX line. I'm just weird. Like I'm down with John Singleton. That's my mother, my brother, Thank you so much with my brother. Be good. We got anything else? And do you want to come eat? Um?

They got it all man, you know we got it all right, Yo, man, this has been an honor man, y'all first director, I am um first for drink chance, the first first drink in the first direction to that, I'll take another one out. Damn it. Don't don't don't don't tell me to have a good time. And now you're going to going to premiere Rebel. Also on effects on btthers on BT, snowfalls or effects stuff, the stuff all you didn't talk about stuffass, that's what I'm saying.

Snow falls about the it's the beginning of the whole um crackt trade in at about cocaine tonight too. Then we've got two shows for ABC. Stuff that was in the summer. Tonight you have ABC. You got an ABC two. No l A Bernard, l A Bernard? Is it the anniverse? Hold? Do you realize how busy is he got another man? Yeah, let's make some noise for him. Burns about anniversary of the l A Riots. Damn, it's crazy. It's been that long already. That's after Rodney King. Yeah, that is old world.

Rodney King got years ago. That's rare. Yeah, verdict. Yeah yeah, So let's let's break that down for the people who quickly we get about it here. Yeah, it's just you know, it's it's a's documentary about what happened and takes it from the street point of view of the people who basically from South since South central and uh, the Korean culture and the Latin of people who were really scarred

by it were in the middle of it. Okay, when when you say Korean, the Koreans was varriety to their businesses. They were defending their their businesses from being looted. Yeah, you know what I mean, Like it was a war. There's a war zone, you know. Like so but we got you know, we got perspectives that no one else has. And in this documentary and what was the latinos saying coming from just um, well, the people in the documentary just they got caught up in it. They got actually

you know, they got hurt by it. You know what I'm saying. But that's what I'm trying to tell you. Like my grandparents lived in Englewood and they called me during the riots. Blood. No, they everybody blood right, That's not that's not the truth. That's that's mixed. And they called me and they were telling me they were like, the Latinos are writing too, because it wasn't showing it

on TV. They were they made that right pretty much a black and they were they were more Latino was right and then the black people riding, but they didn't want to show that. It says I'm not gonna front since my family's Cuban. They look, they're like, we're not Mexican. So they're like, the Mexicans are right, but it wasn't. But it was like, but it was Mexicans and Al Salvadorians, you know what I mean, Like people would who who basically are you used to like war situations that were

like really going at it. It was like it was like let's go anarchy, you know what I'm saying, Like, you know for war. They grew up in war. So they were like, hey, you know, i'm gonna get my car. I'm gonna put it up on pet boys, I'm gonna give me some new tires, I'm gonna put the transmission. People were doing transmissions and changing their cars. You know, we didn't show this in the documentary, but I'm saying, you know, should be doing that, you know what I mean,

like doing the riot. So I mean, there's so many different stories to be told within that man, so many of this wild time. It was a wild it was wild time. And I know you're not gonna tell me this, but not feel like, what is John? What is your next move? My next one? Are you making the big pun movie with me? That would be an amazing movie, big movie. I don't know the whole story. You know what's really funny is because we was rolling the same time of nice like punt had all the bad conditions

right now, all the funniest I was so jealous. I admit that right now, I was so jealous. Girls like he's not he's not, he's not, he's not fat like belly fat. He's fat the whole room and he has three or four around him, right And they were so kill me. But don't worry about it. Keeping they were so beautiful, like your face will hurt when you saw them. And we would hang out at Jimmy's Bronx. We were hanging with Jimmy's Bronx and it would just be like it would be girls coming from d R and from

from Puerto Rico. They couldn't speaking laders that were like models, and every nigger that was a hip hop would be a Jenny's Bronx. That's right what I'm saying. That's right. Look, look you can tell. Yeah, you know. I used to walk up there and Joe would be there and be like, what do you want? It would be like we eat, you eat all you can eat, drink all you can eat, and then you go dance. And that would be Friday night. It was like Friday night. It was Friday Night was

a band and then Saturday was hip hop exactly. So yeah, you know because I went to spots in New York. I lived in New York. I was at the grandest spots right there, and you know, like we we eat, we would drink, and you know, it was always like Saturday night. Friday night was the people who would newly emigrated to New York because English some kind of Spanish to get him in, right, yeah, a little bit. Yeah, that whole boy to be like, hey listen, right, but

Saturday night, somebody w always get shot. But when we go both right, that's right now, that what you got to You got that so because you got a Latin movie, right, you never did a whole Latin movie. You had that the list called legal tender. Oh yeah, it's like they't got it on. I Potato Potato called it on in this first movie and then they took him off and put him in Faster Furious. That's my brother brother from from I think that's no. They go the Loisa me

and you will be the the most light skinning they died. Yeah, exactly, like yeah, you like I shot that down there. I produced it now there. I shot that down there and we were just you know, it was it was an on that team of movie. I was then you had the other dude and then the young kid with the afro brick basketball. Yeah, because I know you gotta go so um, But how do you actually see talent? Like when people say like what what what is it? Is?

It is it? When you It's just my vibe. It's like when I vibe of somebody, I've been like okay, I vibe with him and say, okay, if I can get that original what's really special about them? In the original vibe on camera out to the world, then then the world see what I see And that's how it goes from me. I don't know. I can't say it was, but because I got a friend, right, Sunny Sunny d Sunny DBT is the funniest guy off camera. Off camera,

he will roast you. But the minute action and I'm like, I mean, he's not that bad, but yeah, you made him like a nite he that so sorry, But it's not the same. It's not the same. How do you like if you was to see that from the actor, you just say, damn, you know, I see you off camera off camera you're fucking excellent. But once I say, I spend time off camera pulling it out of people because I've had people like that too. They really like

they got that, but they don't. They they're nervous. You know, it's like get out of yourself. You know. What helps them get out of that? What would help if you was to do that? Is it liveries? Like it depends on the person. It depends on the person, Like are you already hiring them or sending them to like a coaching class where they're like a little bit of buff, a little bit of buff and you know, um, you know I called them and and you know, and and I have other people work with them too, you know

what I mean? Well, John Man we robbed you for all your knowledge. Thank you. So you know we are schools, we are blasted, we are honest. I want to tell you you're you're you're You're one of the greatest artists of all time. And that's included everything at all art period. You were one of the greatest artists of all time. I was very honest, it's my boy. Trevor told me, you're John to do it. I was like, for real, like I was so, I was so scared. I went,

I was. I watched every interview you ever did a google every I knew, I knew you personally. I just wanted I wanted to appreciate your art and we did it, and um man, I just can't tell you how much I appreciate you. I want you to continue to do your tell and continue to do your thing because we are proud of what you're doing in cinema and we watch everything and we support everything, and we're gonna continue to do that. That makes a noise for motherfucker John.

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