Episode 83 w/ Onyx (Part 1)

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one of the most notorious groups. Arguably, if it wasn't for them, they might not be a CNN. That definitely wouldn't be a Nori that I was inspired by being grimy from them. They came. They represented queens and they represented Brooklyn too. They represented b QE. Not just queens. They came. They They've worked with what would run dmy Jam Master Jay, they worked with def Jam. They toward the world. They still touring the world. Every time I speak to one of them, niggas they in Russia or

Dog or Dog. One time I'm sitting there having drinks with the nigga, the nigga smoke a whole sentence in Russian. I swear to God, I swear what is it? Um uh? You say? Thank you. These guys are legends. We started this show to support all legends. They are, they are from, they are locally, they are my family personally, and I am glad and proud to introduce an honor tonight. The motherfucking legendary on made it something. Now, with that being said, how did you guys even meet jam Master Jack? How

did that happen? Because because that's who put you guys on, right, Yeah, we met Jake. It's the craziest shot. How we met Jake. Let's get to it. So we had the Greek Fest. You know what I'm saying that Queen's you haven't to the Greek Fest? Queen about the freak Fest? Jones, I'm sorry, this is like, this is like eighty nine, Um, what record was out? Do? Tell me how you want that record was playing? So check this out. We were on the highway going home from Jones Beach and it's a

trapping Jones bad people. So the cars is moving like I don't even move it like it's like it's like everybody got Hot nine the seven on, everybody playing however you want it sold? So Rocky Beach, every car planing and ship. So we look next to the Nick the car next sus it's jam Massive. Ja wasn't the car of the band, the MPV. He had the big black ill vent with the TV. Fantastic with the TV and okay just take the just right next to smoking smoking weed,

were like, yo, could we smoke with you? Come in, come in the event. So we got an events to smoking with Jake. We start freestyle. Wait wait did y'allknew that I was jam Master Jake Okay questioned, yeah, Yo, this is but me. I'm thinking I'm thinking a little with his bro my man just think about weed, but I'm thinking about a record deal. Like my mind is strictly on yok how could I get on? This is my chance snicking in the traffic jam. He ain't going nowhere.

He ain't going now So my old, my old thing was away that you didn't need necessary I look there, get out there. It was just you wasn't in the group yet. Oh wow, this is me sun seen big. Yes, he wasn't in the group yet. We had a single profile called are we doing like this? That profile record? Well, you know I'm about to say that was prob about say it wasn't Ice Cuble on profile, but that was

probably yeah, okay, so continue being so sick? Was it even in the group at the time, he was just swing Brooklyn, probably running with Deceps so wilding out some women. So from that conversation y'all got into you got in the van, y'all smoked with him, and you did you freestyle? How did how did it become free style form? You

know what I'm saying. We was freestyle and show we had We was there for like at Lisa Hour with him before the traffics, the traffick to him from saying, smoking with him, chilling and we just vide him with him from Queency from Queen's. It was it was more than hip hop, like it was just like Yo, these little niggas is cool. Like you know what I'm saying, I kick out out my vent So we was just rocking with him. Gave me his number. We just kept calling,

kept bugging that nigga. Did you think that Did you think that was gonna be real? All you thought that? Like the number he gonna gave you? It was like nothing, I know, it was real. It was a real nigger. You know what I'm saying. That he wouldn't give me, you know it was like, he ain't gonna give you no fake but it's a real nigga, you know what I'm saying, Like like we run dmc J was the streets for Duc Like he was the st He's still

in the street, you know what I'm saying. Ice from the second got the magic but so so I right, so from there, yea y'all speaking, And then what was the first because y'all had to go to the studio? Sess what was the first studio session? Like, well, J just got his label. He just got the Jam J label de Jam So this is like a year later, and um, he was like, go go to go to the studio. Y'all just keep working. So about Tom, he was working putting the demos together for Jay. He was

on we're running them. So one day, one day sends come to the studio and we text. See that's one one day they didn't come to the studio. So sick. So Tropp, whose name was Tropic no way, I think I knew everything about it. Something murder and it was a tropical because I had all the flavors there. You're way too going to score decents and one wild no trop won't say say that I know it's some real

niggas gonna. Tropic does sound wayper than tropical to a nigga, Like you know what, I'm gon name tropic a bit with that baby, My name tropical a pine tree. So you guys get a studio second, Yeah, when is the moment you say this ship is rare? This is what happened. So we we we We did like twenty demos. Like to Jay like, he's like getting the studio work, So we put like twenty demos. So seeing Big Dance, they come to the studio on the day they were doing

the jokes or whatever whatever, they can't make it. So so Stick came to the studio. We did a record called Sticking Move and we was wilding out with our voices like acting grin. It was. It was just the time and for for what we was doing at that time. And that record was nothing like the whole demo we did for Ja was just that one record was just stand out. So when I sent the records at Ja, he was like, Yo, what's this ship? Who is this singer?

I'm like, that's my cousin. Like, Yo, that nigga gotta be in the Google. I'm like, but it's already three niggas. They were like, yo, hen in the group. That ain't no Google. And that's how Stick got in the group because let me let me because let me just say, because let me let me just be clear, y'all changed the sound of music. Like at the end of the

day people were at that time. I remember being a kid in Queens and I remember it being about like being smooth and being like and you guys came and you guys had fun, but you guys was wild as fun. And so how it was whose idea was it to be like super different than everything else that was going on? Me for John Jail and how did that? How did that?

It was moved there? He said, I want ten of those different different So we changed the whole vibe with that one record with the Mad City they might share their gait ball and adopted the mad Face. But at the time he had leads in New School, you had Dos Effects coming out. It's like our whole energy was the fucking destroy Dos Effects. That was our whole energy. Like like when I was like the dress dead of

they did like I'm talking about them niggas. You know what I'm saying that she was like no beef ship, but just slay creative. You gotta be more, you know what I'm saying. Like, that's how it was. They came out to sewer, then you got coming out. It was it was everybody. Federal food was before them because it was done you right now this day it's always the next ship from what what was already there before? You

know what I'm saying. So it was dosifacts. It was honest and then correct, correct because y'all came out first, annoying by nature right time it came out first. And what was the first honest record to take off your guys on the box? Wait, don't get long. Oh my god, how was that studio session? I throw your guns over there.

I need to hear this. A lot of truck really, there's a lot of a lot of drugs and so so what was the vibe like like because because what I'm saying is like, I mean honestly like not because you're my friends, but you've really changed the face of music. So the nigger Sticky was doing his verse right. Uh, So we were doing a verse in twelve twelveth studio remember that studio that's not burned down in Queens no,

remember that I made the Power Players the South Side. Ye, So anyway, the studio mant so we're doing throw your guns, wilding out on some on some Superman ship, Shooperman drugs and that. So Sticky doing his verse, showed off sweat like a slave in the booth. I'm slapped them on his stack. Yes, right when y'all made the record, did y'all know what it was gonna do to the culture or this was just like another We got Jay with us, we knew were on depth shit, but we're here four reads,

got the whole block with us. But we went to a show like fucking no exaggeration. Fifteen calls filled up everybody when they had a light time blowing the Tobo. Now we knew, we knew he wasn't in there wasn't and he wasn't in there. We wasn't in not not not to funk it up. That's why the album was called back the Funk Up. That was the whole vibe of the album, Like everybody got to back the funk up.

You see what I'm saying. And you've got Leo, Cole and Russell like giving us the video spitting in the video like they like just got ahead, Like you can't just say that like that was normal your head bro suit in the video, I don't spit with feet jacket on them. People want talking the roads like model been driving here back And you know it's crazy because run DMC was never actually on deptha. It was what that's not so j he's on profile. He looked at me

like because he was my profile. His niggas is you know what I mean already owner Andy. Everybody has something popping the lady what I'm saying his label? Do you think it's on my leader? Tim stew ain't tell me about that? So how did you ever get off profile to get on? You just had a single dude a single day. Red alard ain't played the records and he was whacking all like like ship he was like and was like, I don't like I don't like the vote. If Red didn't like your ship, he wasn't not getting

on and I don't like it. Fucking scraps. So now whatever, it's slam slam. That's the same as the first. So the guns your first, yo, y'all. They gotta be quiet, y'all, y'all, y'all, y'a doing talk about that. Wasn't talking about this, yall? Yeah, slam. Let me let me tell you because let me let me tell you something. Slam. Let me tell you something. Slam was like the first time I've seen because obviously walked this way. I was too kind of young, because

I'll be four, No I walked this way. I was like, that was eighty two. I was born in seventies seven or something like that like that. I was young, young boy. So but this is like I see so when I see walk this way, it was kind of later on in my life, right, but when I all got damn it. But when I see slam, that was like the first time I see white people fully embraced hip of culture, Like I fully seen them come. I don't know what that is. That's when we actually goddamn, he's rich makes

the noise stick. Being rich got. But for you guys, like like did you know when you may slam that across you? You you were beyond the hood, Like the hood funk with y'all. But but now it was like white people was playing slam. Yeah, the box, remember the box and the way it was all plan. It was all plan because that reckon took a long time to make. It wasn't just seven days like God created the heavens of the earth. It took us seven days to create

the rhythm in the verse the crazy ship is. We didn't even like the beat, which you know, shot skills, shot skills, shot skilled. He was from all left que queens. He produced to bety ain't like it. I was like, it's too solt. He was like, yo, this is it. I'm like, what are we talking about, dud boy, I can't you didn't like to beat. I'm kind of you

didn't lanky because it was made last days. So no, not even that and that it was just like so for he was doing he's doing it like back that up, niggers an had to put you skirt up all that type of ship did he come in with the I think y'all was just I don't think. I was like that was too so. I think that was not so comparison to the other records right right right like like like Jay, like Jay, I think it vinced me like, yeah,

this is it. So when it was jam Master Jack's so right, and now let's let's let's just touch on jam Master Jay a little bit. I haven't worked at his studio. The other studio, the one that he passed away. Never worked never, I never worked Natures Queen thing is going to Yeah, yeah, it's I went to the studio after this ship happened. I was just like it was just like il filing and like, how sav is that moment for you? Guys. I'm sorry to get to some

serious ship. You know, you know this is drink chance you like to touch on everything that was that was like my big brother. Yeah. First time I came to labor was with j on some movie ship Brus Simmons that Quincy Jones was doing a TV show and I was coming out of Queens to audition for the show and all of that. Michael Rappaport, that's the first time I met him. First time I was even on the plane was with Jane God bless God, bless you gotta we gotta just let's everybody please just just stop for

a second. Let's get him moment of silence for jam Master jam Everybody bless jam Master James makes a noise for him too, got dad. So now so now let's lett let's let let's take us through this time. You your first acting gig was Moe Shaw or though no strap come on? Was that's likely? Now that's crook okay? So how do you podcast? Juice? And just strapped? And it was minister Society, So streaming like I don't lie?

How do how what happens? You get this call to to to because because we're wrapper us at this time and you get this call to Holly? What this calling? Even though it's in New York? That was Russell Russell Muscle was like, yo, go do that for that wow? And Jay the music supervisor, So album back the funk up was like the soundtrack and ship? What was yours first acting? Good actor? Like I didn't do it this ship and they let me go gonna leave? What was

your fr baby? Clock was Spike Laby Fred Grow So let's just let's do you know how much they just slung on us like that first track? This first was Yeah, but I had a cameo I was, I was in the lineup? What was that when you had the yellow jacket or Sunset Park? Sunset Park? Let me save that then?

And that was me playing ball too money. So now when you when you think about it, how hip hop has transitioned and you guys have right now we'll interview when you were Hollywood, which means that you had to do good to stay in Hollywood, cause a lot of people move here and they move the funk back and they realized, how so how hard is it to say, you know what, I want to crack in the Hollywood because it's better payment for us for those that don't know, Like,

let's speak to the to the people, it's better payment when it when you when it comes to as far as the work. You know what I'm saying. I mean, it's it's a different payment. I would say that I want. It's better. It's just a different atmosphere, different, a different surrounding, you know what I'm saying. But it's it's the same la suit, same fight, different round, you know me right, But but it's plain to an artists, that's you know, rapping right now. And that's saying, you know, because that's

what that's what most people do. They wrapped to get to the movies, and then they do the movies to get to whatever. You know, the army they're gonna want to wrap it, the rap they're gonna do r vs exactly a basketball that's all the same as hard as you allowed to be do it all. Now, you did a movie. Didn't you do a horrible movie? Was it? Wesley Snipes? Now it's not horrible? Wesley Snipes play Blade in the movies and I was a Blade for TV Spight TV with lost of them all? Now is that

different for you all? Is that's like now that ship was hell because you know, growing up I was a comic book. So to beat out Michael and play fucking blades ship And I'm the first rapper to ever be a fault Wilson Smith played what's his name? I made? And that was after the plate first trappers. You were saying, well last last, well, so so now your first time acting, because it's different like when you when you're doing videos, you'll get a trailer if you're lucky, right, but act

it's like stand it like serving. So what made y'all say I'm gonna still do music because I ain't gonna lie my first movie. I was like, I'm I'm doing two million records the first album, like like like this is what we do, like we love this is hip hop. That's the foundation of everything, foundations the foot right there. So you stay, what's your favorite red hip hop? Right now? My favorite ever I can't. I think I would have to agree with him because because I'm a fan of

all right now right they pass. They can't do nothing about that ship. That's that's my favorite errors right now, right now, right now. What's your favorite new artists? Me? That's my new name is my favorite man that these niggas called Dope Deal d They from Netherlands. These niggas just crazy because y'all get a lot of overseas. We gotta draw album with them. They're so we did. We just did an album. Core shot doesn't hell. So that's that's out right now. It's coming like um in the

summer in the summer time. Makes sure y'all get that drink chance, motherfucker on me. Welcome to Play a new podcast network featuring radio and TV personalities talking business, sports, tech, entertain and more. Play it at play dot It. We're back to Drink Champs Radio with Rapper and R and d J. Then, so you guys on Depth Jam, you come out and then you do a racket. You do it. That's right. Yeah, I know I'm bringing out exactly like he's gone. And I looked out because yeah, you know

how much I looked out. I looked up to y'all. I still do and y'all called me for the record. That's right. My last studio session when he was weird was your per super and was battling when he's thinking, it's like and that was that was very corner the people's yeah yeah, but that was yeah, that's right. So what made y'all say, because I was a youth at that time, y'all was like the O G s right. So what made y'all say, let me let me reach you out to this nigga and punt and one because

we were legends, but you had to hot. You was hot nigger and it was like it was like first of all your queen's nigger, and then and then and then the whole like you he was a bad star because the whole Iraq that all that. That's one of the songs before were going stage. You eat yeah man, the hotel say you gotta turned out. I need ship

with a guy that you know. You know what that was like, Just in case you guys ain't know, that was like the hot light of my career, like when I did Grind Me over, Um it was one and in salute to you guys, it was irrespectub guys know that I always says that I didn't even know that. Look at and if I always said, I just thought, you know jack grimy, jacky, I think, oh yeah, that

definitely in Germany. I was in Germany. It was Jermany from where I had two boxes a half half and you stink, you just put it putting on good nigger, my bad. I don't worry taking you. You're good too.

But you know what the grades ship is if it wasn't for y'all, you know, originating that grindme lifestyle, originally representing that grindme lifestyle, because you know, you gotta realize when I came out at that moment it was puff Daddy, I was directly against puff Daddy, meaning they had the shiny sunny, they had the radio records, and I was making I definitely six. That was it was ninety seven. See nineties ships, don't see it's seven sea. Yeah, in

late night seven. You know you pay my name. You know we met in ninety seven early we were we were promoting. Yeah, that was like a long time. It's kind of late ninety seven. And then going in and said in Miami, yeah, he came through my stores and move down here. I've seen in money, said y'all out, I'm done. I'm done. I'm done so now, But you described that because like, like you know, the fans know

why I lived moved to Miami. Describe what made your choices to relocate to l A like make l A, y'all because we was hustling out here, hustling with these movies. You know what I'm saying. Then once you, once you, once you find the weather is good, the weed is good. You know what I'm saying. Like where you going? You know what I'm saying, You go back home in New York can be freezing and you'd be like yo, black

and that, you know what I'm saying. Just just the hustle and just you know, you've been out here since ninety what ninety six? Damn, this makes a lot from getting money since nights showing it out there waiting for night sent But yeah, you're just saying a lot of a lot of New York brothers, they're making home. You know what I'm saying, They stayed out here, I mean they got left, you know what I'm saying. Right, Yeah,

I can't even like all of that. I can't even like that like somebody to talk about and move it back and moved back. That's why I know now we moved back, you know what when you know? But l a bass and now and then and then working on her base a TV? What did you what did you like more TV? Or movies? I like? I like movies, like movies. And it's playing that for all listeners. It's playing that and put like this. I like, I like whatever the bloord is blessing me with you know what

I'm saying, like, I don't take nothing for gally. The night of the night, that's what it is. Yeah, yeah, the ship, the night up. Dominated Yeah, the night up. So so where was you at when you got the call for that? Uh? I don't drunk white driving right daytime, so yeah, probably sleeping woke up. It was like, so that's how do you choose roll? Because because you guys don't choose bad road, So how do you choose? Sometimes

the road shoes at you. Sometimes they say they want you for this part, you know, like ice you when I did the next Fridays that wasn't in the script and I went up there. But what's meant with him? He said? Oh? Ship? He still got that crooked eye. He's gonna be deep over the problem. That's all. That's all. That's all. Some ship laughed. They called, like, yo, we want to see his eye. No, let's see. Let let's let's go deeper into debt with that one. Was that

Friday after that? No, that's next Friday Friday? Now you already understand how much of a classic Friday is or you you just wanted a role or you knew it. I think both. Okay, he made it speccy for me. Show me to my trailer. Alright, now, how is that spirits? Being the East Coast guy a New York Listen, listen,

listen this on earth man. Yeah, but it's like eat the world so much that everything is the fucking secking everything, architecture, everything the same, except some places have different weather fro, different animals, my great, different insects, colored people, what, it's all the same her this table was different because this is word. This one is still go was a table. Let's make some money? That got that table everywhere? You

gotta tallet ye as a hole in the floor. You know, you know that's the most ya you know, you know what's the most supported thing about your career is I can I can see y'all still something out like fifty thousands of like I'll be seeing y'all going places like y'all could talk y'all just like the restaurant y'all y'all night, yea yea cold d sound dishes. You know what's now?

You know what's crazy? It's so badly because because because I came out in ninety seven years I sold you came out ninety to ninety two, ninety two, okay, So for me to see y'all my old g so for me to see y'all still out, there's still out, specially still looking good, Like how does that fail? Because this, you know, there's so many people who got to wreck it. So they're going right and they're gone, literally yo, Rob

they's still killing them, yo. And I don't get that one two record you go, I don't know what I'm saying. I don't even know another Robbas record. I don't even know who that happens, you know who just saying that, I don't know another Robbas? Yeah, yeah, right, So he's showing his age so grim. So how do you feel about the new generation? Man? It is? It is the new generation. I like it. I mean I don't. I don't funk with it, but I like it. You know what I'm saying, hip hop, You know I sipop I

understand it. I was chunky for I was just tell you back in the days we was getting pants, they was thirty eight thirty eight ways. But what I'm saying doubles. So people look at this, look at at a round these little niggas. But but it was hip hop, and that's the way we was interpreted the game at the time, you know what I'm saying. So everything went kind of tight,

totally like but that's what that state thing. Because it's kind of crazy, right because when you look at like the Furious Spob and you look at like the beginning, like how they was dressing with leather and all that, it's kind of like that era now kind of right because when you see like I see like people that they were like things with no shirt on, and it's just like, look at Michael Jackson or he's ever. This whole ship was hot wood, but it was cool. It

was hood. You haven't met Michael Jackson, never met mine David's cousin, But did you meet Michael Jackson. You can't floral. Let's break down the cousin with the cousin brother. She's officially Jackson had the last name, Uh, Billy Jean. It's not it's not so body tell us, tell us your Janet and how did you mean Janet jack Oh? Man, we're in the club Penny Dances. I was hating crazy or you huh on you They was hated. I mean, she was like the show of me love. It's like

a while ago. You know, I don't dance like dance mound. They was like, cannon, I'll dance with Janet kid. Yeah, you mean everybody goes but you you mean stallone. You might see walking down with Yo. You know what I'm saying. Have you ever missed a struck? No? But I didn't. Yeah. Cool. When I missed seting Jackson, I was like, yo, I heard he's a real nigga too, already smokes people and talk and already already like a real street nigga. That's

my looking. You noticed. He said, that's his nigga. Let's make it use man. He said that funny. They got it again, but they got a song again, rapping set them out of here. Now that's The thing about Sticky that a lot of people don't know you got a white artist. So it's break down that your white artist, who can who can sit what I'm saying this bot

because you went when down? Because I mean he got a like I mean she's like the white Alicia Keys though, like let's pick her up, like she sang in front of us, you know what I'm saying, Like and I was, I was blown away because he said I want you to yeah sing and I'm looking at stick I'm like and she she got in front of the hotel and blew it down. Like I was impressed, but like he had a good time in name, I had a wonderful time.

But like how like you gotta explain how how how or turn on the tip of your mind thinks you know what I'm saying. Like to these people, they say think outside of the box. I'm like, what box? Right? A right? They say, you're Sticky man, he can be a lot of hats man, Yeah, but they all go the same head. And you also also did a record with Sticky. This nigger directed the video. He was the b A, he was the assistant, he was the director, he was the fucking he did every thing you know

to collect like I'm not gonna lie. I was so impressed that day because I'm sitting back, I'm thinking he's gonna have it, you know, I think he's gonna have you know, guys, meet me. He came and met me. He came and said, we're gonna do it right here. We're gonna do it like you really involved with everything. And then you called me the other day. He's speaking and you're editing the fucking video. You're still doing the wait,

I'm like, what are you doing the way? He was like, how like you want to explain to these young kids? How does Why is this that's so important to you to be involved in every aspect of because nobody can do it like I do it like the bug Like you know what I'm saying, okay to something, you can do this brushstroke. He's an artist, he's a really independent I did Fredo drink? Did Frederi drop? Yeah? Listen because we know you ain't drinking how long? Yes? Damn, I

don't start with drinking. Did He's drink enough for both of us? You know what, I'm like, this stinking drinks so much? The crazy ship is I never even asked with with with Fredero. Wanted to drink because I've been hanging with Freda for so long. He just looked at me and sticky like yeall drunk niggas. Just y'all drunk niggas. Just keep going And this is the birth of the first time in years. And you know what I mean.

You ain't saying, is I might you had a dream Seventh Street, seven Street, I remember, but I have a casual drinking. So casual. That's so now, onyxes On, let's the piece the Big DS two at x one before we even go further, x x one x one was rocking with us the whole Shut Them Down album. He was he was, He was a part of the album. So you had two losses. Yeah, eventually remember Big DS he died, He died and and and it's a lot

of it's his guy named b Wi. He was the first producer for onyx He produced to we do It like this record. We have a profile and he was my man. We went to high school together and he got to before before the ship even popped off, Like you know what I'm saying, Like, you know what I mean? So wrest in piece to be withs too, because he never gets any acknowledgement. But he was the start of it. He was part of the start of it. And you know what I'm doing, publisher. Now you guys, you guys

been through it, the Golden era, every era. You guys are actually people who know Tupac and Big m I wanna you describe your relationship with Tupac. Pop was ill. I mean he was. He was cool with everybody. It wasn't like we had a one on one relationship, you know what I'm saying. It was like when I see him, it was cool. It was casual. It wasn't like we was calling each other. You know what I'm saying. I see him out so with respect. But he's big Eat two days. But he came here. But he came to

the sunset Poperman. That's the picture of everybody. So because he had a song on the soundtrack. So when he came to the premiere, I was like, oh, ship, the snake is watching me on the screen, you know what I'm saying, Like I would just be I'm watching the movie at the premiere. I'm like this, how old you just look back at this snag and he like this like looking at me, Like I'm enjoying itself. You know what I'm saying. I'm like, wow, because he had to

come through this. I can't do with the drop Wolves voice shove was dead. You know what I mean. New York was a flop. Okay, you know what I'm saying. Came through smoke. The blunt was in. I got, I got, I got an offer to be on death row, you know what I mean. But I let him know. I was rolling with Jade. I looked like your team, I need, I need, I need you to describe this light was off after the movie me a real real promin all that. Who was in a parking lot after all that? She'll

got this bad reputation like shaking artists. At this time, they was you know what I mean, there wasn't none of that home from jail. Yeah, okay. So he was like, yo, man, pop really pop pop? Really a mind you I want you to be with you know, death Throw. I'm like, yo, I'm already with chain. He's like, you could work, we can work. You can work it out. No, not crazy. It's like it was some real business ship, like we

could work it out. I'm like, and then we tried to do things, but it ain't really it ain't work out, you know. And now he talking about you are he said, my eyes, he was just talking about me. I'm trying to figure And then he didn't have to. They didn't have Death Throw East yet. He wasn't even like that, you know. I don't know how serious he was, but it was thrown out there, you know. And it's just like, I can't make this ship? Now? What was your relationship

with Big First? Let me ask you Tupac Tupac memory listen Rodney Dangervilk club the time you and Rodney Dangerfield club. That's hard. That's Ronie Danger had a club. It was like on the East Side and ship get the life. I was a loserve for a long time. I just this is probably just too young, just like I was thinking that stay breaking. I don't know where we just went for so you went the bride show wasn't ready here, I wasn't ready, so you ain't got you arrived told club.

He walked up to y'all like getting a ship many drink. I was drinking Heny at the time too, I remember, but it was Henny and Red Bull or something like that. But maybe it's Heny is Sprague now whatever was this, This was before death for all. You know what, it's all the errors, all the fucking radio all right, time, just time radio time. Yeah, okay, so now always what's the memorre? You gonna share a Biggie small and a lot of when in the studio doing that record with him?

You know, you do know why back in the days with such a something much better time. I know time it's got from this. But at least at least we at least we did records in the same fucking studio. You got a regular big too. He was supposed to be on T and Remix. Believe it or not, flip that ship. Jesse West was to produce it. J Stop on your radio. You know what I'm saying. That's the same, different the group crew. I think Jesse West produced crew. I don't think he might the crew he was. I

think somebody was doing with Puff at the time. Yeah, yeah, the record with super Cat when the yeah, se y'all, I'm back again, like y'all, y'all, that's fun the jack y'all. And it was hot though. My baby remix right so ahead, how you j was like yo, she was like yo. This kid named Biggs in the studio. Puff want you to go through. I'm like, who He's like, just go through the studio. So we went to the studio by Nation was in there was in there? It was it

was ill Man. That's the first time I ever heard his voice. Ye, like like I didn't even know who he was the first time MIGHT heard his voice. Do you think I just looked up to the sky like this, like like like oh ship, like the first time I heard like like I got but but not but not like intimidated, but like, yo, this is sounds ill Like that was a thin you know what I'm saying. Like it was Biggie Smalls. You know what I'm saying. This

is what that dude, it's the same nigga. So did you did you think he was gonna He's gonna blow? Because I knew it. You knew it. I knew from his flow of the first time everything the first time I heard the nigga behind him, Like first time he laid this verse, I was like this drink Champs Army. You can now buy drink Champ smirch at your local detail our stores. So if you want to wear the latest and drink Champs gear and don't want to wait for shipping, Head over to the nearest DTLR location. Head

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