Episode 78 w/ Mysonne and Chi Ali

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drunk facts. This is Drinks chap Radi wh every Day is New Year's e Just Ron hanging sang on the South. Here's your d in the Street Chance motherfucking podcast. Make and when we started this podcast, if we said that we want to give love to our legends, we want to give love to people that sometimes it has been forgotten about or sometimes because when you get to a certain level or you do so much things people say, but that's in hip hop. We gotta change that. We

actually Rolling Stones goes on tour right now. Uh what's the nigger name? Uh? Making them niggers? They go on tour right now. Why it is hip hop not celebrated in the same exact way. The older you get and then you know what the crazy ship is the older you get, they except up two more in Europe, like in Europe, but this is the birthplace of hip hop.

So right now I am so privileged. I'm so happy to pick up two brothers that I want to put in the hip hop Hall of Fame me personally, because I feel like hip hop needs a hall of fame. This rock and roll hall of Fame bullshit. We ain't rock and roll. We gotta relax, even though even though even though it is it is actually like it is like like a big up to be in a rock and roll hall. We can, but we shaid Russell, holler at me Russell, because I feel like we should do

a hip hop Hall of Fame. And if the hip hop Hall of Fame, what's that happened? These two brothers, that's it right here from the Bronx, because I'm gonna have a Bronx guy. I don't know, the world don't know that we're gonna, We're gonna, We're gonna, We're gonna stablish that today these two brothers cheer. First off, the first child star in hip hop period period. I've seen this man come up. I thought it was part of weekend. In my mind. Not good here. I don't know, You're

not good here. My name, I don't know, I don't know. You would definitely make some way. I'm gonna get to that. And then this older brother that stand right but inside me, to the right of me. I've seen his hunger, I've seen his struggle. I've seen him battle artists on the street. Then I seen him have an unfortunate situation and he

never complained about it. And that's one of the most beautifulest things is that you could have complained about it, and you could have been like fuck ever have been better, but you did. And you know what, Chili and my songs. Nothing else I would love to do is to big y'all brothers up right now and all the dream chat

djis I gotta get. I gotta go straight to you because us I don't want to say controversy, but I want to say that, Uh it's been a recent interview, right A brother said something and you were buddled that statement. But the most beautiful thing about what you did was you never hated. You just was honest and you spoke your opinion and real Nigga's world. Why text each other and said you see mice. I don't know if you

got the text text and I got the text. So what I want to ask you is what made you take that stand because you don't have to do that. It's just you know, like you said, man, real niggas worldwide. I think like people keep saying real Nigga is back, and like we're just having a conversation, are really went nowhere? We never know, you know. But the problem is is

that most of us are silent. We just don't even see the need to check you that we know it's fake because but we don't realize that the rest of the world don't know it's fake. Because they've been fed fake ship so long that they've that it's real. So me watching this and then actually you read in comments and people like, yo, this is the really ship you And I'm reading this something like how could this? Like

what is real about this? To You're like somewhere somewhere along the way, there's been some type of the translation got sucked up. For what really the real translation is sucked up? So I felt like being pump. I got job to stop me. But was that a real champagne? Nigh right there? Not a spell, not spill, it didn't look at the look at the gun that you know, I've been a palace, its continued Mice. I'm so sorry that it's a big myself. For a second, I thought

I thought it was gonna do that. We needed that, but continued looking. Yes, it's called fas. You gotta learn this and you can't bring take it back. I continue because you know what the most important part about it it was, Mice, was I looked in your your eyes, looked in your face, and I looked at every time you spoke, and it was not hate. This was not hate. But that's that's the new word for you, just expressing some ship when you're not, when you go against the status, disagree, yeah,

when you disagree. But it's just the dumbest in the world. I ask people like or you hating? You hating, And I'm like, okay, so what are you doing when you comment on what I'm saying. You have opinion about what I say, and you have the right to express that. I don't think you're hating. You've got your opinion. You don't even know me, never see me a day in life with something I said made you feel like you

needed to respond. So why you feel some way about me feeling the same way you felt, That's because of the platform that you're doing. That The thing's the platform that I'm doing. It makes me more valid because I have actually know the people I'm talking about. I actually have interacted, I actually know what I'm dealing with. You just coming on here and never seen me, never met me, don't know nothing about me, and you have opinion about me.

You understand I'm saying. So that's just it's just it's a it's a smoke screen. You understand I'm saying. People don't want to be checked on ship, so you know it becomes you hating, hate is when you don't have a you don't even have a reason for something. But then you're like, yo, you like this, but not why not? I don't know. I just don't like it. Now, that's now I can see why because you can't even give

me a reason why you don't want something. But when I could tell you, no, no, I don't like it because it don't sound good, it don't look good, I don't like the color. You don't fit me right, Like, I'm giving you a reason. Then whether you agree with my reason, that's up to you. You just saying, but it ain't knowing. Hey, it's it's actually just me giving your opinion. And that's what we get. We get teamed on.

I think a lot of real quote unquote real niggas don't even want to deal with that, you know what I'm saying. They just say their selves, you know what I know? Real If you don't want to believe that, ship cool, But theyn't understand. It's like being in jail and the fake nig coming to the house right here. I used to screw the niggas and you're like, I'm just gonna stay in my cute. He got about twenty

five minutes. But I'm saying, but if the real niggas didn't start checking them, the first of the fake niggs start coming and next to you allow because these niggas that took over the day room all type of ship, because now you don't allow them to do that. So it's like in the same man jail nigga walking. Look, this is how we run this house. Here. You can't do you do that bozo ship. You gotta get out

of here. And that's how we gotta do in hip hop again for you know, saying, we gotta start checking niggas because now now we fathers before we was young, just now were fathers and our kids start questioning us, be like, da, you're not like such such and such as. World's like what that even? No, no, no, no no, I'm not gonna let y'all do that nothing mind because y'all haven't. When you have that platform, you'll have a control over

what goes on the whole culture. Your absolutely, so I can't allow your cancers that affect the culture, not on my watch. And you know what, hip hop appreciate you. Real niggas appreciate you. Uh, and just in life, everybody should appreciate your stance that you took because mind you, I'm part of the new generation too, like I go to the clubs, I like, I love me egos so um boy. But but now so it's not chiall li chiall, Lie. You're one of the very fortunate people that actually you

look twenty years old. You're name should be baby Face, But you're one of the very fortunate people that actually been around for the real hour of hip hop, like you actually was there so for you to see how the arrow of hip hop went from then to now, like I don't even know my question. For me, the way to coaches change. It doesn't upset me, I don't think as much as it upsets a lot of a lot of my piers young okay, our generation, the older

the older generation. And for me, a lot of it is because I think because I got kids, So it's just like I'm entwined with with the new sound. But a lot of it is when we was young and I was listening to run in the Fat Boys, like my pops will buy it for me. But you know, sometimes it was to cut that ship down, and sometimes I know he didn't think thirty forty years later, this was what it was gonna be it's a fan. Oh that's not music. They sampling. We sound like them them

Damn you know what I'm saying. We said, like that ain't hip hop. It's just a new sense kids their kids. They kids think about it. Like Mike said, like Sunday Team, I do the eight team god bless, Like you know what I'm saying, need was popping now, So every some of the ship they do because see it and be like I ain't as something We're gonna be like these kids.

But that was kind of like how it was back then, because I mean like when people say that the error was Golden or his classic, a lot of people a lot of times people don't actually focus on the fact that it was back of music. Then. Yeah, everything wasn't dope.

Everybody wasn't getting things like things I don't like and what you address to when we when you heard the speaking was that the new generation A lot of them, not that they don't pay homage, but it's like they don't even know, like like how you know this is your your feel Like if I'm a baseball player, I'm gonna know something about Jackie Robinson Windfield. You know what I'm saying whatever your feelings. Yeah, come on, that's our

ration fault. Yeah, we dropped the ball. We didn't say you don't tell them, you got to go about it. And it's it's crazy because, like you said, the role so they could still do shows. But our fore fathers is they washed up? You know what I mean? That's whack, that's that's we. Mice said the show when needed to join the bb Kings and cool Hurt was there, like like I was, I brought the cool kid came out and I was like, yo, you don't Hurt brought them

out because that's cool Hurt. That's cool, that's cool. You know what I'm saying, He wouldn't be hit, But I don't want to stand Hell, Hurt ain't got a million dollars or at least five thousand dollars in his bank account, Like I wish I had it to be like here, you know what I'm saying, But some of our leaders in hip hop got it. Man. We got to make sure some of our brothers. Is I got the man? You know you know that I'm and I'm so sorry to read this up, but just me and my partner

DJ F started this podcast. We wanted to start something called a hip hop union, which means if Mike Song had that same case back then, and we look at Mice and say, Mike said he ain't do it. Did somebody in place to pay for your lawyer, pay for your case, pay for everything? Right? So I did all of the all these nights. Okay, I'm keeping it right now. Okay, can you put that all the because frames right? So the other day, right, my wife, I love this woman.

We went to Balibo, the first time I ever rented a house myself. Every time I ever rented the house, it was always been def Jam Tommy boy. It never was me. So when I went at this house, I walked outside the house because we had ordered the car services and said it would be twenty minutes. So I came downstairs because I had like four blunts and I was like, I gotta smokes right, So I swopped him and the driver came up in two minutes. And when he came up, he said, I said, yo, like, I

looked at the ship. It's supposed to be twenty minutes. He said to me, Oh no, I just dropped off, picked up or saw somebody in the rehab in Malibu right. So when he said that, you know, naturally, I'm smoking, so I wanted to walk away from him because I didn't want to be disrespectful and begetting high. I don't know if he's a recovering whatever, but he said he said so to get to bring back my point. And I'm trying to tell you it was the other day d M Max my brother. I love that nigger. He's

always been there for me. He never lied to me when people seemed on the bark Lay stage and people seeing to his rants, people judge them without wanting it to help. I immediately wanted to help, so I said I wanted to, but if I do it or I stepped in, he's gonna spit at me. I noticed thing, because yo, what or what? Who the fuck you think you all that's what you're gonna do. But if we had a hip hop union in place where we'd sit back and we say, Okay, the dog don't look great,

release the brand. And the reason why I bring it up is and I don't want to blow it up. But he's actually amaalable right now. That's where he's at. But the problem was I didn't have a position to step up. I didn't have a position to step up and say whatever, because if it was just me, I'm gonna be honest with you, they would have all said fuck you know, no, no, they would have loved the actual fact that I stepped up, But then they would have said, fund does he think he is? Dude? Y'all

agreed that we need a hip hop union. Definitely think so, and especially like brothers like Cool, the real firl Father, the real fore Fathers. More so because the money wasn't there. It was not so it wasn't like they had blue it ran through it. They was getting jerved. It wasn't there. And then what was there they was? They was booking them, you know what I mean. So you got to tell the people what booking means. They was wrong looking for

He's like, no, that's in New York. I'm s So it's like, yo, a lot of then't didn't never had the bread with EX, you know, ex and running through some bread. But even with people like Ex, like when I was locked up on me, I see so many brothers. Look at the crackheads, and nobody will smoke cracking jail. Everybody was getting money, you know, everybody just smoke weed. But It's like I used to tell me that your helf. This y'all is running around with cuts on your faces

from weed beefs. You know what I'm saying. If you fucking smoke weed, drink liquid, drink coffee, any any move changing, you ain't got the right to judge nobody. His ship just might be a little more crucial. Some some ship is a little more serious. Man, too much to criticize anybody. Anybody drink. I don't want to hear you talk about my weed unless you don't do nothing. Leave me alone, man, And just we got like you said, we got to

help the brother. You know what the thing is. The thing is hip hop has to start accepting our responsibility. We gotta grow up. Money a hip hop to you still just beat deal response to you know we're supposed to hip hop Alon could finance all our communities, like the whole black movement. It could finance that's deep. Like really, if all the hip hop said down and said, look, okay, you from the left, we buy it back left right, We're gonna own all the like we're gonna put all

this to you. We're gonna buy back. But like we could literally do that ship. But nobody here is crazy, is mice. All we need is to take one percent of our profits. We don't go We don't need to take their jewelry whom need because because because like we're sorry. Let because you know why, that's the best pocket in the world. That's depends the world. The rocket is the best pocket in the world. Yes, you you you're you're gonna be so right, guys, I'm I mean originally like

my parents. Later, Yeah, you gonna you got like the same count of hair my family, my friends West Indire because we're gonna lot St. Lucia sat kids to my grand friend. You had good here for a long time. Yeah, like you have you ain't just you ain't just have good here yesterday, like you've really had this thing here is next. But you West Indian. We always we always claimed doing the party we gain on clubs. Well you know he gon were is white? My white yea. And

my wife thinks she pought a Reagan. I'll be teasing that she from El Salvador, so you have to see a black girl. And before she said king, anybody in the Salvador come out. So so now let's let's just gonna bring him back to hip hop. This Trayson, this is what I trace YEA. Jimmy told me that jim Jones, you know, Jimmy Jimmy Cafe, let's make so much of Jimmy a lot of he said, That's how I do it. I put them selves in it self. He's still doing.

I can't believe. I thought it would have been over by now, because a lot of people die the Jimmy's Cafe die. They ain't die. Listen, I'm gonna be honest. I've seen things get beat the funk up in Jimmy's Cafe, Like like, they beat you up and then they chell that's the craziest and then they have a dream with you after that. That was hard, and queens it's like, yo, you get beat up, you gotta cloth. But the Brons they beat you up and then they pick you up

and say are you okay? And then they make sure you're good. That's the only place I ever see that now, the Bronx being the birthplace of hip hop, the fact that we got a bully shout out table, we got what's what married? Don't you about? That's a no, I'm old, but don't. Other than that, it hasn't ever bothered you that the Bronx wasn't at the forefront of hip hop.

I mean, of course it never really bothered me, but it was like that was one of my goals, Like we gotta put the Bronx back on the map, you know what I'm saying, Like, you gotta put the bronze back on the map. So are you're watching you see a boogie and them doing anything? You see, don't you? And I'm actually being from my hood, you know what I'm saying, young boys from the hood. Okay, what I'm saying.

So actually they remember when we shot the video and they looked right from right down a bit, you know that. So they actually from the hood. So watching your boys, queen, you know what I'm saying, You've got nothing to do with route for him, you know. So it's it's happy. It's good to see that. It's it's good to see the resurgence of just content and lyrics like you know, you see davies, like you hear artists the actually you know what I'm saying, Like you hear people rapping again.

This is good to do that. Like, like I like the meals, I like all that you feel, So that hell, yet like that ship make you and you'd be like this, you know what I'm saying, you'd be in the clubs. They sound christy. The quality is good. It's good music. You can't take nothing away from it. But every now and then I want to hear some ship that makes me like, damn, get a little. They make you want to tie your shoe. I'm not saying don't play them.

I'm saying, instead of playing them twenty times a day, played them like you know what I'm saying. And you know, spress the love. So like I stayed in Maryland, but you know I problem closer to d C. So you know I run around a d C over closing and homie like. I don't even know a bookie in them only, but but I know that state. They from my homie hood. They beat their son. They'd be with his little brothers

when they ship come on. I go crazy with all New York niggers should come on, period, especially niggas I funk with. It's just a different vibent all the way up came out. Yeah, I used to go to every fucking club and it was like it was it was like, yeah, it was like right out here. I'd be feeling like that's how we gotta do it in you know, I sweet, like it's so genuine when I repost nigga s, I don't even know whoever I f. I don only follow people I know, man, I might follow your man because

we're all here. So if I see something I like it and I'm reposting it, you ain't got the eggs. I don't give a fuck. Like, it's just I don't know why we we we just don't don't show love. But you only like I get a crazy good energy when my nigga ship come on down there, yo. And that's why we started this. It's because we want to give our legends flowers when they could smell them, and trees when they can inhell them. Because so many people are fucking lost. So many people say that you washed

up when you got ten years in this game. So many people say that you're not the guy because the other guys the guy that we have a chance to get money. Sometimes, yeah, yeah we have. You know what it is? We have to change that because one day I was in Live Nation, right and Live Nation. I looked at it. They rised them. They had nothing but white boys doing sixty dates all this ship and they was all older than me, and I looked and I said, damn,

why can't hip hop do that? And then you know, you know our call called from master Flex, you know. And I don't know how anybody feel about from master Flex personally, but I'm gonna tell you how much I feel about for master Flex. For master FlexAID fuck that, Nori,

and I was like, what funk? What it's like? We gotta make it so our artists could be at least fourteen dates on their own New York artists, right, And at first I said flex word, but then he said And then I turned on the radio because my job, living in Miami, I'm doing Dream Champs one and around. And then I heard that's how we on it, That's how we on it. And I said, this Nickel deserves

this ship. There's a lot of people who don't. There's a lot of people who get fame, they get money, they get it, and they just go when they could go out everybody. I couldn't have been more happy in the world when I heard master Flex playing your record, not playing your record, staying on your It's a difference. You can play, but we're not living in the nineties. In the nineties, you played record one time, You're going, You're going now you gotta play your every night and

he's been playing every single master Flex. We appreciate you respecting the Grind, Like Yo, he came home and they grunding, Like I'm not just talking ground and talking about two hundreds of thousands, maybe some short m spent like grind and this nigga grund and home everything out of pocket and you're still not even on the label because I just really I want to do one independent, but the platform is being laid, you know what I'm saying to consistency,

shout out to Flex slave. Even when you called me, I was I don't even know. I think I was in Miami and I was in my I think I was in l A and Sonning. You called me like seven in the morning and in the morning like like Yo, this fracket is fired. I need you to put everything you copy. You know what I'm saying. It was just really as genuine. It's like damn, and that's how we've always been. It's just real ship. And it's like when you get that field and you see people rooming for

you and you know that you did everything right. I ain't never compromised my principles, my moral and it came back, you know what I'm saying, It's coming back. And it's just like then be able to see that and then be able to be appreciated, especially by the people that you appreciate, like this is a legend to me, Like

that day one. I remember when he came in front of Justice and played because that was an old second man, I remember when you played Bend from TV from and I'm standing in there like this before and I'm sitting here like this, yo, this ship is this is classic. He was like, listen my name when he played that ship, just fucking he just blasted with sitting right for he flashed that ship. I was just at all just looking

at him like damn man. And then and to see where that ship went was like I needed to get on this sweating off. This sounds like, damn man, I only have to get a person of that, you know what I'm saying. So to be in the presence and be respected by the people that you love and respect and then like and I tell people all the time, the artist that I love is because when you listen to their music, you feel like you know them, and when you listen to normy music, you really know him.

It's true. You know what I'm saying, Like, it ain't no bullshit, it ain't yo, this is just some song I me. This is Mary Money. So when you meet him and you look at you like this is exact and that's what used to beat for me. You know what I'm saying. Some people can separate the music from the artist. I don't. I'm not able to do that because once you don't smart what you're talking, I'm turned off. It's not authentic. So this is this is a legend.

This is one of my favorite artists old times. And the nigga said, I don't even smoke like that I sell. I don't even drink like I don't drink like that. No money who says that like he says, sometimes I just chill like money. Those songs I was up knowing for listening to them chips and got me through my bid like you know something and didn't knowing and you met me and didn't mad me like he was like

this bron feral. So when you when you're able to get love and respect from people you respect, that's what you're doing for the rest of it, you don't even matter. But that's how we when you never need security enough when you live, well, you know what I mean, just keep it to it. You know what the crazy thing is is till I won't bring it back. I'll come back to that on it. But Chierlie, you are not only the one of the first child rappers, you're actually

the first gangster rappers. Like for real though like like like I'm sorry, I don't know the Philly boys, but I mean identify as New York artists because at one point we came from living our lyrics and you was one of them guys that actually lived in your lyrics. Actually, girls, nobody see your Black TV interview where you actually explain how it happened. But the thing about it is what

people don't understand is you really really do it. Like they look at this interview and they're thinking, like you're saying it because you just when But this is this is some real ship. It was real Shipio, your girl's brother, daughter's uncle. God bless you know, for sugar, blessed rest in peace on But yo, like yo, you know what killed me on me is that they And I'm not trying to downplay because that took a man's life. I take full response, like I can't. You don't turn back

the hands of time. And that's to me, that's the worst thing you could do because even if you raiped somebody as as much as we shown that, I still have my daughter right here. She's going, she's going, you know what I'm saying. So I took somebody's life. I used to watch his son, you know what I'm saying. So do you know that apartment cutting off? But that was the most interesting part about it was when you were in Black. I was talking to you and we

all love Blad. I love Black too, But he's kind of like the police, right what I mean, are you trying? Like he's really trying to get the answers, Like he's gonna ask you some ship that couldn't get you incriminated, but you up to you. And that was one of the most honorable things. I mean, watching it was it was like he was not proud of it. You just was like, y'all, this song that happened because you know what, let me just say, because we finish, that's what I'm

talking about. That's a difference from my real name. You don't see what I'm saying. He's just one of my best friends since we was kids. You know what I'm saying. So we we've been through just about everything, Like I

know everything about what was going on that time. I know everything he was dealing with and to be when we always been authentic, So watch my man and knowing everything around me, like having excellent pistol these niggas around and knowing that these was the biggest gangses we ever knew in our lives. Right, And when they have conversations

with you, they're not glorifying glom. Yeah, you about the big I'm gonna continue to bigging you up because a lot of people would have took your position as a rapper that actually has a body and would have got gonna fly. I said, I killed that nigge are doing. It was the exactly like I don't want to name the artist name, but he's online told he beat the case because he shot the nig like and he's online. But you it was the exact And I looked at

you and mind you. I had a relationship with you forever. We was gonna run us one of my shows. Your father's coming to my shows, us coming to im, like I've seen you on the news, big money back, but

I just want to respect you. I just want to say that that that interview, and I looked at it, and I looked at the grown man in you, and I looked at how you you you held yourself down, and I looked at how you also because that was your girl's brother, and I looked at how you were so careful and so conscious, and I just want to tell you that is some real ship. We understand we can't bring back this man's life, but everything you're doing right now, it's actually the illest ship in the world

because you're not You're easy. This is the word we lose were just growing up. When we grow up at we lose sight of life because you hear about niggas getting shot and killed and see it and Mike do it or whatever. So but when you think about it, like yo, even that nigger he got kids moves and at the end of the day, it's what fifteen years later, twenty years later for me then and it's like, what thing about the biggest beef you had twenty years ago?

It was that worth it that you were ready to teach it and now you're looking at it like that was some silly ship. What I'm saying, really, is it the case that's really worth it? When you come talking about the whole bunch of years And at the end of the day, it was regular ship like that, like nothing, It was regular ship. I looked at it like I you know, like I know, my saint pussy. But we hung with niggas then, so I'm like, man, it was regular everyday ship, not to be glorified, like that's what

happens that ship that go on man. Welcome to play a new podcast network featuring radio and TV personalities talking business, sports, tech, entertainment, and more. Play it at play dot It. We're back to Drink Chaps Radio with Rapper and R and d j FN. But now I need you to describe as situation because my partner not if an campone. He's standing over there right. Me and him was in jail together, right, We was in d FY right. Then we came home

and he caught a case. So I could never really relate to his case because he actually was famous when we was in jail together. I was not famous. Then he caught a case and then he went up and off, right, But I could never relate because he was camponed. He was like he was not he was not camponed with

each other. So I just want you to describe to people how hard or maybe it I think it was a double edged sward is because you're famous and so it's like, you know, they have some people that did chier'all inmates, whether it's CEO, and then you gonna have some seals that Nigga, he was something, same same ship, same people trying to give you extra foods, some people trying not to feed you. You know what I mean. It's just, you know, everybody different. I just took it

in stride. But what I found, especially when I was at Sing Sing because when I got the Sing Sing is is a large population of black police. So and then most of them is from the city, so it just so happens. I'm in my mid thirties, so a lot of them is around the same age age, so you know, they knew one motherfucker was so it was ill that even the motherfucker's that hate it, like the Dick had niggas, and Nigga was so laid back with

it that even the Dick had niggas. After where I had to be like like another posst to be like, man, come on, I got niggers on that chilling man whatever, So I just beat me man, and let everybody beat them and everything have in a way it's supposed to happen. I've never been bussy, and don't nobody never. But we're

not here for that. We're not here for that. We're here to get some money and bring the question because again, my partner, one of my best friends, and then both of these gods and my best they both come back

since some of that sens come back. Right. But but again, um, I can't relate to being famous and being in jail like I was famous in jail for three days, that's it, and I was the lawyer, right, but you actually have some fame, right, and then it is a robbery again, all right, so you just just just take us from there. You had a robbery charge and we heard you you say that you didn't do it. Definitely, I definitely believe you.

I really believe you, like like, I mean, you don't need to lie about I did seven four two years. I'm so so I didn't be like, yeah I did it. I shouldn't have did it. You know, it was it was like, have you ever been to jail prior to that? Or no? You know I did a couple of days and a couple of days. All right, So now you cop out, I didn't blue trial. You blue trial. Wow,

we didn't know that. Okay, so you blue trial and now you go up state now and now it's this people know this is my son day you described that to me. For me, it was just unreal, you know what what I'm saying, Like, you you know, you one years old, you're sitting to jail, you signed the violator million dollar deal. I know, I know your budget, and you know what your budget. Remember that I was watching. I was watching. It was I held him. I hadn't watch because you don't want you're gonna go to the

shiant story. But so yeah, so you know, you you you're going up north and you're sitting first you on the island for a couple of months, and you think you're coming home and you're figuring and you know as soon as you But I blew trial and then went to the island. Like I wasn't in g and fighting my case. I was on fighting my cases. So I was you know what I'm saying, I was playing from the outside, you're just thinking this ain't gonna happen, like I ain't doing it, I ain't going to jail, you

know what I'm saying. Then you start realizing how dirty this system is. You know what I'm saying, How a bunch of ship just don't unless you got to be really serious about what you're doing. You know, I'm saying, you can't take for granted that you in't. So you're going that's that's not a reality, especially from our communities,

you know what I'm saying, It's just completely different. So when you're sitting there and you're like Dawn just blue trial and you don't even know when I was on the aland even know what I was being sensed to. But what what what if you were the blue? Um? What what you did? God bless? But because they always tell you, they say you could, you would take this play or you can't off taking a track. Actually, yeah, in hindsight, you said didn't like But you gotta realize

you didn't do it. Your whole life. You've been fucked up. Yea, Yeah, Like it wasn't even a conversation when you didn't do it. Man, that's even more so more so. Now I'm gonna be honest. I knew you, and I knew you didn't do it like I ain't got a lie. I knew you did a lot of a a lot of ship because I can see it in yours. But I was like, yo, right now, I'm gonna describe me, me and my song. Right, Justice is my ship. That was everybody ship. It was my ship,

like I ain't gonna lie. I hated puff Daddy. You can keep this and we're not editing this. No. I hated puff Daddy like I don't hate it when he represented at the time because me and Bone was army, came niggers and these guys are on shiny suits. So I just hated what he represented at the time. But I love this project. He made some great fried chicken. So I used to go to Justice all the time. Right, So it was this room up, this new artist, he's supposed to be the new Biggie Smalls, right, and my

correct he could stop me. It was tetause I practice it. I practice it, like I said, you ain't practice. I watched you the pretice class. It might seem practice, right. But there was this new artist. His name was Shane, so Sean was supposed to be the new Biggie Smalls, but nobody knew how he looked on the tape. We nobody know how he looked, so we we heard like, I think he did like a couple of bars. Yeah, but but so he felt like he was heavy. But when we seen him, I was like, no, that's just back.

But I see them seem like he just didn't look like me. So it was just it was just it was a thrown off. So we outside and Buff goes, buff Um. I'm about to say text, but I know it wasn't a text, but he said, Yo, go outside and say hi to Um my new artist. So I go outside, said it, what's up to him? And Nigga was like you you know because Shine is a smooth niggas and he was like you, I like your ship. I'm looking at the thing. I said, are you Shine?

He goes, yes, I'm Shine. I'm like, come thrown not not. I'm disappointed. I'm not. It just I thought he was would be a heavy person that I thought he was gonna be fat. So I'm like, ahhight cool. I don't know what happens, right, I text Chris Light. Chris like what's Chris there? My light? He was there? So I text Mike Mike um and Mike is like, Yo, what's up? If you need me to pay for the bell, because that's that's my style. Back then just run up from ship and be like, let take care of it. But

I don't describe this scene. So for some reason, Seane starts frying back. Then he goes kicking his ship. So I robbed Tom your man. Tom. Tom came Tom bullg I was like, I don't in my mind, I felt like he pushed you. Like happened was this? It was either Tone was outside and I think it was either Mad Middleton. So they came and was like, Yo, they're outside, Shina nor outside. Tom didn't really want me to do it. Tone was like no, I might sack and I'm like, man,

if are you crazy? You know what I'm thinking, I'm gonna kill him. So he brought me up this so homes just sitting there. Wait wait wait wait wait WAITI that's the part I didn't know. I didn't know. Come on, come on, you gotta relax, you gotta relax. Got ever like, So this is the part that I didn't know, the part that I didn't know was when you walked outside, did you have that in your mind already here at

my son. That's only so. So that's the part I didn't know, is that because mind you, I think I meant you like two minutes or twelve minutes, so that and we chilled. But then you came and then that part I needed that bellon dollar Nix because that's what Remember in the industry, it was running. He got a million in UM Publishing and a million on the deal. We had never heard of this in the industry, yeah, shine, we had never heard of Everybody was expecting him this

to be. It was supposed to be the craziest ship in the world. Mice comes outside and he's chilling, and he's watching us round and I wronged. And for some reason, I feel like I never got this part of the story. I felt like you looked at me and say, what nice. It's like in my mind you already am I correct? Look like you looked at me like, I know you know Brox you're brox n too. You gotta relaxed, right, And then I swear to GoF because I had never heard you run, and I ain't gonna lie. I might

be wrong. But I feel like you said something in my palm and then I got my left arm and you said, that's the types. I ain't gonna lie. I can't even tell you what I said that I ain't gonna lie. I was like, oh my god, and Shine he respectfully bowed out. Am I correct, he was after about two rounds. It's just he was like two and a half. Because that happen does happened around. He was

just like that's over. And then I got Texas people was like I died on the streets and Shine had hit me after that and said both told me I can't ryme on the street no more. Now. He told me that we didn't know that's my man, Shine, listen, that's my man. We felt like together, that's that's my nigga. But but but right after that we have fell out because prior to that, because I felt like I felt like you kind of funked up his deal a little bit.

It was a lot because he came to me and he told me to say anything that was like he don't want me to run. And that's when him and post going sideway. After that situation, you know what I'm saying, He came to reason the two together, you know, because him and not Naji was cool. So Nadre's always had me around and I think like right after that, we won't got to fight. It was it was like a big thing. Me Shine, his no one of his little man and his little man's. We got into the puff house.

I there, yea at the and Hampton's had a party in here and we came onf there and it was like a couple of weeks after that. So I see Shan give him a pan and when he's being like he giving you fake love and he said it all out laugh Ni. He was like that. He was about five to I'm like, what who are you talking to it? What are you? What are you talking about? He's like fun that you run around you know too much. He's running around saying you killed him and that whatever. I'm like, no,

it was me. He was running around and I'm like, I'm like, what are you talking about me? I'm sorry, listen, listen, We're not gonna do this. I didn't think. It's not that I want to be honest something. Shine had the biggest bucks at this time, he had the biggest bars. So for me to just meet this nigger and this is like a tear him up. I ain't gonna lie. I told everybody it was me. It was me. I'm gonna be honest. We put that around. I said, what did I say? Said I was the one who guys

the battle? I did because I again, I'm gonna reiterate this whole situation. Right, I'm a hood nigger. I know. I know certain people don't know, like you know how queens get down all. You know, I don't I know other people some so a lot of people look at you and just be like you from queens. That's it's false. They got to relax, right, But I looked at Mice. Mice gave me. I still to this day, I don't remember. I don't know because me and him got bug out.

The guy brow so I don't remember. It was it was a something and I look bird, I fell back, But I know that look I gave my man. This is my word. I gave my man that I'm on the a side. Tell about fourteen blood niggas. I felt with him a small wing, and my man's on the other side. These my niggas, though my nigga pooch Brooklyn nigga Pooch, he gets into it, one of the niggas stepped on it, broke his card. Hears on the visit, he hit something that cart heards on taking out. You know,

he went down. I think for the step for my mom very. But anyway, whatever happened, Pooch popped on the bed. So the nigga all the blood is on my side. So they're like they're gonna pop on the niggas so ithing like damn. They're like, you cheat. Man. I'm like, you know, I'm trying to and you gave him. I'm trying to present all the situation, but I already seen the thing. The boy didn't swung on the nigga race,

so the thing that went too far. So I went to that game and I gave him the eye like like I can't that's somebody your mice gave me the eye. It was like it was like I said, I realized because it was like whatever he did, it was like, nigga, you on, why are you want to rhyme with us? And I sat and I said, Dad, we had a whole conversation just right here, and I loved and I said, damn, and your boy I did not know what she was

gonna do. Though, in all due respects, I thought you was okay, but then you rhymed, and I realized you might have stopped the whole block. I didn't even the police started clapping. I think the police is in the corner like that the clues then it was it was my it was you know, it was so legendary. That was a legendary hip hop moment. Do you realize I

letting that that was? I mean, when I hear what you said, like in my mind it was because you know, you don't you don't want to over over push yourself because then this she was big. I've seen it from my prospect, I'm like, this was the industry was then normally one of my favorite artists deal anybody's then I just did some ship that's probably gonna go down or I'm thinking it's that big exactly. So aside him right

there the next day. The next day it was like you made the preek for me to Atlanta that we have like ten millions in like three days. This is the reason why I know, because because um I eboded Mike lightly and then they come out to day on media like what happened? You know, I was out already, but I was like, damn, you ain't gonna say something. I told you to come here and that nigga. But listen, and all due respect, I've never seen somebody beat that

like battle rap. When I think about a rap, I don't think of smack D d D. I think of what you did that night. That night, you looked at that man in his face. Didn't disrespect him, but you disrespected him in another way because you looked at his flaws and you just made it and you just kept hitting him with punch lines. And then he kept rhyming. He kept rhyming, not against you, which was wrong because like you took a personal off. You directed every ball

towards his motherfucker. And then this is kept kicking rhymes that had nothing to do with my mice. He took advantage. I mean, he was a man. You got to keep swinging as a man. Took advantage of respect that, you know what I mean. But I think Sean was an artist. He was an artist, artist artist who's had that when gimmick around him. You know what I'm saying, I'm not even gim you know the whole biggie he said, sounding the bad voice, sounding like Biggy, but he was official nigger,

a lot of nigga. But what I'm saying is I'm fosted him too. I ain't saying nothing bad about him. This is different, but this is a different some MC ship. It's like but that day I'm saying that, I was like, yo, leg I don't want to run about the my song. I don't nothing. It's like in the finals, like step All in the when Lebron was just throwing this ship like Nigga Nikea. You know it's it's really and you know what it is. This is this is the thing.

We should celebrate these moments in hip hop. We should actually sit back and be like, you know what, and Sean too, Sean Sean called me your Sean hit me. It was like, man, you killed me on that ship. Definitely what you got to be. Oh no, this is this is pretty instance. This is important. That's what this

is important. You know me me and you know he called me years later like we never had that real conversation because we had a little and were we both struggled and I used to I love like I actually had love for Sean because he was one of us and nice to be in the studio, like even after that Ship, I used to be in the studio with Sean helping him like records, like he let me hear Ship, like now do this, do that? But this was my nigga. But the rumor was was the room was so bad

because I ain't gonna lie. That moment was hell. It was. It was like he was right around, no no, no, relaxed, no no, And that was my nigga and he's just being it like he respected me as an artist. I said what I did with him, and like he'd be in the studio, then we'll go to the studio. He let me hear Ship and I'm like, oh yeah, that's the award, this and that before he dropped the who want to fun with us? And she's like I heard that,

you know what I'm saying. I was, and I was, and I got locked up when he first started playing. I never was there to actually see Sean even dropping the music, like I was just in the studio, y'all said when he first started and him and Puff was actually going through Ship like there was the Niggas movie. I know Ship. It was like I was in the intricate like when Puff and Mace was Beef and Puff and Sean would be like I was a and on um double up like I e n on that project

and the project I went out. I went out to the Bahamas with Mae. He flew me out there and I was in the studio him every day recording this album. He didn't even let Puff come in the room. No way, ain't gonna tell you this. But then afterwards Puff came to listen to it. It was like he threw his little spin on it and trying to He pushed me out of it because I was a young thing coming up in the game. Like, you know what I'm saying out here, You got your man's with you, but you

know this is my project? Did he tell you you're your man's in? He said, you got your man's enough. You know what I'm saying. We was the man like you're you're man. You know what I'm saying That we like you know what I'm saying That we were added either. That's what me and Puff grown like because there was a I was me and he was him, and I wasn't relinquishing who I was. Only far much money you got. I don't care about bad boy shit. I'm me. You

know what I'm saying. I'm here with my man. I'm with him, So if he ain't with you, then I'm not with you. And that's how my stance was with anything, you know what I'm saying. So when he brought me in the studio with him and I'm listening to this and the puppa come and listen, He's like, yeah, I don't want like that, and I'm like, that ship is dope, Maze, I don't know what he's talking about. He was like, yo, you know you know how puppet is. He's like, yeah,

you know what I'm saying. I know you got your minds and nothing with you, but I don't really I just need me and you to talk. And I'm yes, exactly. He brought me here though for a reason. He was like yeah, and he'd be talking to Maz like your mace listen. You know what I'm saying. I don't want to go through all lessen what I'm saying. You got you.

So you know when we had that I capture the ship, we went through that that little bit I remember went one time we was in behind us and I never forget it, and it was just like you know, puppets competitive, so they can't say what every they want that nigga puppets competitive. So you know, he knew I was a streating and he knew that I had my respecting to stream. He just them. I remember, I remember he suked him home. So I was there with Mace that wasn't even here.

It wasn't having to do a tone or nothing. And I was there with Mace, and you know what I'm saying, I was dead Wolf, Like God, bless of that wolf. We me in this room every night. But that's that was the last time I've really seen wolf was in the Bahamas. He used to bring me in this room every night, like he were talking to me and kicking on me because we're both brons niggers, and I was like the young uncle comes. So he used to get me jews. So anyway, we inside. I don't know where

he was. I don't think he was in the studio. I think we're somewhere. He brought Jlo in a month there with he brought jo It was a bit big one story. No I ain't no real story, but she was there and she used to come talk with us and to get with a look like we'll be in the studio. She come same like she'd come talking to me, and so I used to see and she kicked and she was cool with us. We're sitting there and I'm like, Jlo was flawless. I haven't seen Jail one years, but

night Chair did. Of course you did. Nigger An said that I want me, she want first. That's a real real, it's real, that's real. Jail looked like somebody just mat it't really I'm just sitting there looking at her like this real aless. So anyway, me and Puff was going, you know, we just this and that, and then I'm was in the room or something. I don't even know what it was. So we're talking mega pol you know I could do this, and I do this like yeah, I know this is not so. I'm like, I don't

know what he said to me. But somehow we started like wrestling. Somehow it was a wrestle. We had like a wrestling match. I don't know if he remembers this ship with this ship is so listen wrestling going on. It wasn't wrestling. Listen, we gotta talk. It wasn't really arresting. But I don't know who I was it just got into some ego versus ego and I'm like, I don't know who, I don't know what happened, but are you like my nigga? I say, you puff? If I grab it,

you can't get out yall what you're saying? I see him quickly. If I wrap, you're not going nowhere. You want to pet But everybody I've died before, you have women the hell money and not the hello. I just wrapping up and then they was fighting for did like, I'm not puff, You're not getting out of this. I got to my nigga, I'm holding you know. The man just comment fellas and it was manigat mad and the man told me, if I I bet, you get ourselves, what do you want to be? Like, what are you

willing to bet? He said, I bet? I don't even know what we bet. I know that Ning was on the full scorn. Man. I was a coupy, some crazy like I didn't minute to walk into that and I shot said he's like he's when I let him go, He's like, no, no, no, let me go because I never stop were correction tomorrow. He made that, you know like that, and I think from that moment we had

a little bit more rish black he was. But you know what I'm saying, shout out to puff Man because you know, you know why I might you know why um. At first, when I was competing with them, I always wanted to say them niggas, fu a nahs, fucking Paul, fucker jay Z everywhere, right. But then when I started competing with them, I started to realize how important they are to our cultures. So when I see a NAS, I always want to big him up. I always want to stop and give him a hug. When I see

a pup, it's the same thing. When I see a J I always want to stop and just give them love because the thing about our culture is we don't celebrate our cultures. Are you're telling them you gotta relax and then grabbed the bottom even though we don't even want the bottom to grab the bottom. Calory though there this record warding Yo've know, read them two nig j and puff them two individuals may have like probably like fifty percentator influence over the coach, saying over the whole coach.

This is what I'm saying. So at one point, any whole crew to not to take not from away from the At one point, I used to compete with them so much that I never actually understood their genius. Sometimes when you're trying to be on the same level with somebody, you don't understand it. Sometimes when you're blessing, you can't see someone. You can't see somebody else's a blessing because

you're you're living in your blessings. Right. So when I when I came up and everything was you know, you know, percolating and popping, I started to realize that, Damn, all these years I funked up because I was trying to be the next Rocket Feller, always trying to be the next bad boy. They're always trying to And then when I'm really back and I said, damn, this whole time, nas, I should have been making you up this whole time. That's my fault. That ain't his fault, because if he

don't fun with me, that's his fault. But my fault is I gotta, I gotta, I gotta appreciate chi, I gotta appreciate on my song, I gotta appreciate it. That's okay that his dream champs change this form. We just do it. But and that's what I want to keep continue to promoting. I want to continue to promote us, bigging up us because if we don't pick up us, because who's gonna pick us up? You know your mother, right,

not a damn soul somebody's gonna eat. But the thing is this is that's the dam that's the thing about life. The damn about life is me and my partner right here. We did this Drink champship for five six months and we didn't get paid a dollar. In fact, I'm sure we owe fifty dollars. I'm sure that all the flights that were doing. But we believed in this so much and we believed in hip hop so much that we didn't care. So by the time we did get paid,

it was like we definitely get paid. We didn't get paid. We put out but it didn't matter. You know what matter is he loves hip hop. This nigga is a hip hop nigga. This nigga Poppy got your ship on vinyl? For sure, I definitely have you got your ship on vinyl. But that's the DJA, that's the DJ, and I'm the artist and the dig is who better to represent our culture than the artists in the the artists and the DJ.

So the thing I'm trying to tell you all this, if you never felt appreciated or you never felt like what you did for hip hop didn't matter, I'm gonna tell you today that the motherfucker diad to listen. I want to tell you that it did. What you know, what you've done for hip hop, I'm doing it like you continue to do it. You have evolved into not only one of my favorite artists of all times, and you are like a voice, and you're bringing stuff like

this to the table. And I have a responsibility. Mice. I'm sorry, guys, I'm cutting you off because fans hate that. But I'm gonna tell you I actually recognize my responsibility now Like then I didn't recognize my responsibly. My sponsibility meant nothing to me because I only wanted to get me up. But Drake Champs supplies people jobs. We have a show coating numb run eating that we just finalize, do not did not blow it up, don't blow I need to be a part of that good nick we

got you. But listen, So we just finalized. And then the thing is, I can't do none of this ship if I don't have hip hop on my back. Hip hop should be first. Hip hop should be a religion, and not only hip hop should be a religion. But we actually have to unionize hip hop. I know I said it earlier, but for real because because this thing

about it. And I'm sorry that I keep using you as a example but me, but every time I think of in your case, I think I wish I was empowered to say, let me hire Bob Kalina, let me hire Scott Lehman, because this is I gotta get the funk off of this case. And the thing about us is we only care about ourselves. We have to actually sit back, get that check, Get that I was an check. You just get back a hundred dollars. It could be probable.

So now when ChIL, something happens with Chi and Chile sitting there and they're saying, He's saying, Yo, no, I ain't do that. Ship. You gotta have representation. You got heavy thing and and and the thing is you gave too much the hip hop for you not to be I know you, I know you humble, I know who you are. I know and you're treating nigger. I know it. But you know what hip hop owes you? No hip hop owes us. Some it owes all of us because we dedicated our whole life to a long time like

this is way and yo yo, another coat. I want to you know, just not just congratulate brou but you know, just to see the grinds starting to pay off and just and it's just a positive lane. Beautiful. It's dope. And when you when you're getting money and it's on some positive ship, like that's the best. Like what you said, when you're helping niggas, you know, you're helping motherfucker's kids eat, that's dope, nigga, that's official. That's a that's some ship

you brag about. That's when you're back what I got. I had my son in first classes. When I got it was two men's families because of me, nigga. That's dope. You know what I'm saying. And that's what we gotta do. So what we gotta do in hip hop is one continue to pag each other. Like I told you my meeting with Leo Coms, he sat down with me and he me and Otar beating at the Polo Lounge. I lived out Drake Larry's he gotta relax, really really really but they all said to me, and he said, why

does this work? And I said what? Right? At least? He said what does this work? And I said, I don't know. He said, you know why this works because hip hop has never been celebrated. And at that very moment, I didn't know what he was talking about. And then I thought about it and I was like, damn, because I don't interview people I don't respect. I only interview people I respect. That's why that's why you see a lot of the old school rappers doing shows now. They

started for two years. Nigga he out there easy rof, I should be easy rock. A lot of people getting money, black Sheet, they a lot of We interviewed carest one that Nigga ain't been in America for two months and he's not show. He was. He definitely not cheat and he definitely picked up after back bout it. I told him relaxed at that bod moment, it was I know I'm not a man because I had I had to get my man. He was me talking. That's a nick. I don't even know what's going over. I didn't some

bullshit I was I was. I said, no, I said, listen, we can't do that. Chris is one of my which Chris, you can't say that, you can't, can't, can't just you got you can't tell you what it was on he said. In his defense, what happened was take away from his legacy. Yeah, so what happened was this because it happened on training the champ. So let me let me, let me let me funnily clarify. What happened was. I asked Carre, I said, Yo, what do you feel about African Bambata? And he goes,

I don't give a funk about controversy, right. He said, that's not gonna take it away from what he gave the hip hop and when he gave it to me. But in his defense, the nig was coming off of a boat, so he didn't know what African Baba was accused him. It was you know what, I'm gonna be honest, I don't get nothing of this, but I'm not asking that. When he said that, I was like, oh shit, and I didn't want to be like I didn't want to

stop and be like yo, he didn't know. But what happened was big up the star started buck big you up. But he took that one part and he destroyed him like he just because he and the stars defense. He was actually right too, which he didn't say that, but he didn't have the confense. He didn't have the AC and me, I don't want to twitter old day. I don't instagram all day, so I understand. But when Chris said that, I knew, I knew. I knew. That's something that I knew. He didn't know going on now he

didn't know. I don't feel you can't take away from his music. Whatever about you know how you can talk, We can't legacy. You can't take away from his music. You're liking someone, you look at something listening. I don't want to take the trophy. If they find out a baseball players using steroids, they take old accolades now, so the same sheet applies and hip hop to the But he cheated the game, then you cheated the game too, because you boys, I don't know. I fear what I'm

talking about his music. If you liked one of his songs cheating and didn't know, who know, no way, Because like I told you before we started this, if I can't separate the artists from the music, if you're not who you say you are, in the music. And I'm saying this if you don't know who the artist is, if you just listening, but you know now that you was raping that fucking boys when he's nothing, I don't want to hear any I wish I could just rewind

and never heard the ship I heard from you. We neither. What I'm saying is when they played party people, I'm not I'm gonna tell and turn that ship off right now that that but that's part of their history and that's the same way music bring back talent. I agree, but you can hear it. And I'm going to d J Bubis he will turn that ship over the boys. I'm doing the hole everything out of here. I'm saying, I mean we but listen, I'm not gon standing up for him. I can't thank you. That's the boy. Listen.

Just the door not gonna go bad. Don't worry. I got to get Yeah, you know how you get up here. I don't know what it is about. Here's the right. I love respect everything African man bother brought into the industry. Right, but at the same token, I can't co sign anything as his allegations. You named Poppy from the Bronx and I know this nigga. I don't know where I knew him from, but I know this nigger he ain't lying. And that nigga sitting there saying, yo, he forty so

can I can? I can? I. What I'm saying is on me, you gonna be a rapist when I hear. What I'm saying is if I found that out tomorrow, ain't nothing gonna change when I hear. Lot of my life. That's my ship. You can't say funk that nigga. He's a bit that that ship. The stuff so and and that's what I felt like cars One was trying to express, but he expressed it in the wrong way because he was trying to say, you know, I don't get what

y'all telling me about African mant bottom my nigga. The problem was carerested and know what African by boy was actually accused of. Correct you know all the facts. He didn't know the fact. So he said this is what he said. This is fucked up. And this is the reason why that's some fun up because you know, we grew up around that ship like my man and be like, yes, a lot of them and n jail and you don't know what what triggered them like another bron ripple life

wh I think his man. So that's what means it's five. That's the reason why I know I never addressed it because the Caress said that was the same day the facts came out of So when Caras said, now you gotta realize, now put it together. You gotta realize. I say, Caunsel, you heard about African mat bottle and he goes consy. I don't give a about no controversy. It can never take away from when he did the hip hop find you Caress don't know agate. So like it's just like

right now we we we filmed this. I don't know when it's gonna come out right, but by the time we put it out, people think this is right now. He is right now yesterday and it wasn't you know what I'm saying something. So I gotta I gotta represent for Caras one because by the time you put it out, I'm glad you the allegations out another he was on he was on boat. He went on everybody talking ship. He's on the boat. My nigga send a letter and so glad you Yeah, no, because I was hurt, like

I know did not. He did not co sign it, and he did not he did not. I'm gonna be honest. I'm sorry. No, I'm gonna be honest. I'm gonna be honest with I'm gonna be honest. I'm gonna be honest. I'm gonna be honest. He did not co sign it, but he did say what he said, and that's like you. It's like, Yo, what you tell me mice, my nick, I don't give a funk with what you tell me Mice, And that's and I'm gonna just think of that cheat, my nick. I don't give a funk with you say.

But we didn't know that nigga fake pop boys when it comes out of everything about it. I was doing a protest, like testing for like thirty days straight about the league because we got a big up Mike so on the raptivis. Yeah. I love that. You know, don't no, I menna take something. I'm sorry I come cut you off. People hate that, right, But my son, the courage that you have in certain situations. I always watch you and I wish I had the same courage you have. I

don't have the courage you have. You'd be marching for real, like you really for real. He went to the woman's march. He went to the man march. You'll be watching. You've been launching. Let's make some much for match. She's got that, I got REGs, we got but listen. So I was doing a protest. They killed sixty six year old woman, shot up two tons in the abdomen. They said she had a bad mentally ill women. They walked in the house, four of them, and they couldn't do nothing else. But

she was that bad. I'm bad, shot up for two tons of having a bad since she was a threat today life. This is the bronx. This is in the bronx. Okay was doing I did a four of the day protests where I was outside the precinct every day, forty days straight, rain, sleep snow by myself to your kids and my kids, whatever it was. Because this is her passion. I was about it. And one of those days, the guy the accused up of Bada was out there with

me and he pulled me to the side. And this was d He was a diesel dude, and he was just like, yo, I want to talk to you, and I didn't know what you told me. I didn't know who he was, and he was just like, yo, man, I'm the guy that on the total about what Manbada

did to me. Man, you know what I'm saying, like and I want, I want to live and as us being hip hop because this is all it's our father like all this our father might be fucked up, but this is kind of like our father so kind and so when he's telling me this and he looked at me in my eyes this this wasn't though it didn't see him, He's like, yo, man, he said, it took me years to be able to say this to something because it's hurts he said, But I respect you and

I think that you stand on the principles that I lived by. And I just want to look at you in your face and say this ain't no lie what I'm saying. You know, I want you to I want you to look at me and I want to I just wanted to come on here and tell you that. And that should kind of hurt me, Like damn, you can tell because because because it hurts them, I'm saying exactly. You can see that he was in jail, he stuff,

I was locked up. He looked like he was fit, like you know what I'm saying, Like why would a man want to come and sear somebody raped him? Like what the fun would he want to say that? You know what I'm saying. So it was just like it was really it was like damn. I'm like, damn, but love it, like I'm sorry for you said no, I just he said you. It's very few people I respect and I told my story because I needed to do that for me. But I actually respect you and I

respect what you're doing and I'm telling you that. Okay. He's like I wanted and I just want you to understand that why I said what I said is that I needed to get rid of that for me because I was living with that ship for years and I just wanted you know that I ain't lying on him. I ain't mak up new stories like heart me that I haven't even had that skin brother. You know. He was like Brown's okay, I know I don't seen him all I think he's gonna be doing when he was

telling me. So I was like, Damn, I didn't even know what to say to him, you know what I'm saying. So like there was like damn, like so many people can't you say to him, but I don't want to hear a faming for the lady. And you come with that, I was like, damn, that's a whole another fighting watching what she was out there watching with me. You know what I'm saying that this was like, damn man, It's just like I didn't even know I was at a loss.

And I'm usually he never had a loss for worlds that found would have been at the loss of world and I was at a loss man. So so when Chris said that thinking of my old a ship is just like, come on, oh, so then I just want to clear that out, like you to clear because I'm glad you said because I was like, yo, I know even when I heard it back, I was like, damn this she seems this thing up. But the thing about

it was we didn't even have the older details. So when I when I asked him, I said, yo, yo, when you think about African band BAA, and he was just like fuck yo. But people don't understand part of being real, it's sometimes you got to you gotta be wrong,

separate the two, you know what I'm saying. Sometimes you might have to tell your man he ruined, or sometimes you might have to cross that street if you really you know what I'm saying, And that's what happened because that's life, you know, folks, and the roads come because at the time we interviewed care that's one. It was just a rooma so none of us knew the facts right and wrong. And the fl I'm gonna be honest the whole time I up Africa about this thing is

really he was a fit. He kept looking at what disappointed for me because in my organization that I do, and and the activist one of my friends, like real close friends, it's part of the the you know, we love Zuda Nation exactly and it would hurt and change now to the names like you just that what it's done. It that's one person, Like that's it. That's it. Like why you follow the message and not the messages. That's

why you motherfucking right cheat. But that's why if you see something in hip hop and something hip hop is not wrong, you can't blame the whole hip hop generation. You can't do that. You can't you know, some tell you count you please come up. So that's where we got to be here to come because when we as the hip hop nation and we don't say something's wrong

with it, right, can niken? They can say that it's the whole hip hop nation somebody that means silence means accepted as bad as them when they when they don't after Shyles's music. So if you're not so you're saying me, if I see something that's going on and I don't say nothing, that means I coach coast damn. And that's why we dropped. And that's what. But you know what that people always ask, like, what's it like in jail? And yo, how come people come out better? And this

and that, and words really can't explain it. But it's that it's so many situations that you faced to to cos on from your silence because you want to go home, because you want to get on that trailer, you know what I'm saying, because you ain't trying to be in the box, beat up your property and down state you and upstate you know what I'm saying. And that's the ship that when you're getting that settling, got to look in the mirror when you know they pull that nigga

out that line for nothing. They're getting ready to do them dirty, and they're like keeping moving and you know we've got that trailer Friday, and your your bitch ain't trying to hear that. You know what I'm saying, So you keep it pushing. But you feel like a sucker. You know what I'm saying. That's the ship that breaking nigga. Damn, that's the ship that making nigga better. And that's but that's the energy that you gotta use this hell all right, I did that at this situation, but now I'm free.

I can't do that ever again, ever again. Like fun, I'm not gonna put my outs myself in a position to be in a position again. But I'm not gonna put myself in a position to where I gotta swel like that. I don't want to. I don't never want to look at my kids and say that I ain't do everything I could to make them better people or

make the world better for them. I don't never want to add that conversation if I got to send jail for some ship that I that I lost my life, or if I gotta lose my life for something that I knew that. You know, none of us want to Dr Keen didn't want to die, you know, Malcolm X didn't want to die, but they died doing the work

that they know they was put here to do. So people like, yo, you can't say this, I'm like, I don't know if you can't say my spirit tells me that's what I'm supposed to say, and I'm moving in that. That's the ho I'm gonna move every everything about me. My wife this morning was like, why you gotta because that's who I am. You married me because that's who I am. Now if you change your mind, that's when you But I'm never gonna stop being who I am.

You gotta figure this out. I'm not gonna stop. So you have got to figure out who you are and not And that is the balance and the challenge that you gotta be with me and who you are, Like you know who you are? Level spell backles this level. You gotta let's it. You gotta gota balance it. Welcome to play a new podcast network featuring radio and TV personalities talking business, sports, tech, entertainment, and more. Play it at play dot It. We're back to Drink Champs Radio

with Rapper and R and d Jes. Then be honest, brother, we really appreciate you in hip hop. Yo, you was down with the native teller. I was the first nigga christive. You just interviewed be nuts and then what's that with Juju Man? I mean, let's always to Jujum I stepping a lot of COVID. He noticed snipper coat. I felt like he had the where he lived, like it was just yes, before you shoot you like, yeah, he was snipped him out. I'm lying. I've never I've never never

seen anything that I ever said heard you. It's a lie. But you know, for podcast purposes, we gotta poem. I hate that I was your first Christian. Yes, yes, Foy, you originated by later records. Oh, you didn't even make body management records, whackings person snigger you before death? Was that relativity? And then I ain't gonna lie outside. He was talking and you called him by Chris. You know that was you called baby Chris. That's the baby Chris.

They could call him baby Chris, Chris, baby Chris. What's that Barbarbara that people you got Barbara's You gotta relax come over there. But Violet, so describe us. Chris Lighty in the eighties, I mean Chris in the eighties. You gotta remember I was young I'm like eleven, twelve thirteen when I met him. So he was running around with the Jungle Brothers, running around with Caress he says, the Niggers.

You know, I come home from school here, I'm doing your work watching rap City, so the you know, and then I'm a Brooks nigga like caress One, like like he was everything to me, everything Rust the Jungle Brothers and like when I'm Chris, just you have to teach you with the movie the most only day I listen. I listened to the Bridges over the other day. I wanted to shoot myself and big want to do it. I was, so I was like, because that's Caress Man.

I grew up to them and Chris brought me around them. Why did you meet Chris through latif the average thinking just saying, like like by holes in the broad because Allison and Kicker her dances lived in co Op and it was like a summer Like yeah, so I'm from you know, I know co Op City because you're the only other hood that got terracest and we got so I always was a car city was my niggers. She

was living with her dances. That's something everybody was coming like her dances was bad, you know they I didn't know what then I was young, but they was a little bit you know, you know, but not every like special lad ep m D the jung with everybody. Everybody was coming through to you didn't want you gotta relaxed. Only you did a PMD with all of them. Used to be up there, so thinks I'm eleven twelve. All of these niggas coming through and they had good hair,

older brothers. There was a high school took at us. So it was cheating you coming upstairs, were cooking right going to living room. We're smoking that type ship. So I used to just be around and want to touch money love, but I had to crush your body back the love still look it too, right baby. So it was just yo. That's how I got with Chris because they will be there him and shot him. I was real coo, big favor. At one time. I probably was running flex right now, I need to get with shot

on netflex right shot live. Yeah, you got life preserver. You know, we gotta to your least story. We got to New York. We gotta do it these streets. You got it. But um and from that me and Christ just developed a relationship, just running around like they was girls. A lot of times people like, you're coming with me? When he people to I'm going over video, I'll be like all right, And then didn't show with the Jungle Brothers at the Apollo, just mad history, you can't quit.

I was like, I was crazy. I'm laing. I saw that young because I'm not as old as I feel like I should be. You know what I'm saying, Like I feel like most of them niggas is close to the fifty. Yeah, and I'm forty, so this year i'll be forty one. Are you one year older than me? I'm eleven days younger than Mice. Yeah, I'm seven mites. I'm sorry, you right, I'm seven. Feel anybody listen, let me tell you something. So, how did you meet Black Sheet Dress and Black Sheet? How did you do them

through Chris at the time. I think when I signed, Chris was managing them. I think he had helped him get the deal in PolyGram so PolyGram that we ain't even run around them. Look at the Little Mercury Universe. I think on everything you've been you know, the money for a long time. Long time we've been old. So so so so what's the question again, how did you be dressed? Oh? Yeah, so just being in the student Actually we used to be at Calliope. I was recorded.

I had just started recording. While it was recording, they was finishing up their album, and Chris basically had told Dress like, you know, I was a kid, I was a living twelve like with told Dress the publishing Yeah, I feel like no. Chris told Dredd you know, but basically was like, yo, you know, y'all gotta help with the project. You know, Chris was the executive producer. More this was don't call on the shots. And then me and Dredg just took to each other because everybody was like,

oh my god, y'all look like brothers, youth like. I think it's a good much when I'm not as mom. She was like, damn, y'all look alike. I mean we like family now, you know. But um, and then we just started hanging out, like Dredge just took me under the wing. You Chieri, I'm gonna be honest with you in case you didn't never knew how much hip hop appreciate you, how much hip hop old you, how much

hip hop wants to big you off. Whomi ain't component like yo on some real ship like my man, I'm trying to get you out to have with it in DC, we got you like yo, y'all wanna y'all got one of my favorite rap rules that got one of the best rap out especially by group like and I already thank you that I love My was like, let's listen they said. They said, they said cheers on the run everywhere I was gone, I was like, chee you here. He had drains you know what? Ana was want to

drags one night you got a Jamaica had. I was in sing sing industry used to write me letting us like yo. I was just at the show man, but I'm gonna this thing here on the run. And did I earn the interview? Y'all did, And I'm like cheap he was onna run like fifteen months. But they said to make a bag, I'd be like your bags? Do you think I should go ahead? Yeah? Man for bet ship. Yeah, let's big funny brags my back right and Yo, but

cheer lee my song? Uh, Mice, Me and Mice we've been speaking a lot, like we've been speaking, and I wanted Mice to know that Not only did I want to do the interview, but I wanted to do I wanted a special moment. You hit me at the Blue and when you hit me, I was like, damn, I just want to put my two I look up to y'all, even though y'all could probably pick me up, and that we all look up to each other. Make me like so fox with y'all. So I said, I'm a father, dude,

this together. So then you hit me and you said he was gonna be in Miami. But I thought about it. I said, nah, I want to hang with him in Miami. I don't want to come with you and you be business and all this dumb ship. I'm about to do this ship in New York. Let's get it knocked out. But I'm just tell y'all, Bronx can be proud of y'all right now, because y'all, when I look at Bronx the Pitacle, I think of Fat Joke. Nothing to YouTube brothers.

I could never take it away from Fat Jokers. That's my brother, and I love him even he's been around since I've been around a long time. I love it. And to yeah, I didn't like the second this record. The second one. I don't even think they even let it get too fun. You take that over YouTube right now, it's the second what's the second second one? I was in she did that, but the second one and then now the album is tough. They got a nice album, Joe, the album is hard. So again, I just want to

big your brothers up. I want your brothers to know that. And hip hop sometimes we don't do this. We don't do what I'm doing right now. We don't say you appreciate it. Brenda would have never threw her baby away if somebody would have told Brenda, you appreciate it. So this is what I this is what I started this for. I just want to tell people your stories is one of the real stories in hip hop. Both of you brothers stories is one of the most real stories in

hip hop. But when I looked at that lad t Me interview, I watched you and I looked at your mannerism and I looked at it. I said, that is an error that should be represented because you didn't pick it up. You didn't glorify it. He just said, this is what I did and I'm not proud of it, and that right there should be the pinnacle of how we we we we teach our youth what you did. And I know probably you know, I love Troy, but Troy probably could look at this and say, yeah, nor,

why did you let that? No, that's not what we did. We are just letting people speak their truths. Your version of the truth was so crazy. Every real nigger in the world sat back and said, that's how you're supposed to do it. Me, I don't have the courage to do that. I don't have the courage to sometimes call somebody on their bullshit. But you did. And I'm not

saying his ship is bullshit. I'm not. I'm not. I'm not listening him as it was a misrepresentation to me, you know, because because because whenever, whenever you get on anywhere and you and you and you start to pick up something that should be bigged up, that should be shut down immediately, because we gotta we have responsibilities as adults. And I don't even if you don't want to be a role model, guess what, you're fucking role model. That's

somebody that screen, there's somebody that does something. So again, I'm not you know, I'm not shipping on slim and no way shape for my fashion. But when you stepped up for STO, you had did the Instagram John, then you actually went to the Breathash Club. And when we were to the Breathash Club, you explain yourself so accurately.

You spain yourself so um ticket that I sat back and I was like, damn mice, and I was gonna call you, but I said, you know what, let me let everybody else call and I'm gonna call him a later because I know he knows I appreciate what he's doing. And so for us to be right here, right now, there's nothing more than I want to do. Like I got this platform, So what you know, what's more important about me having this platform is me giving love like you properly I got. I don't want to. I don't

want to interview these new guys. These new guys, they got one record and they want to. You know, I'm sorry. You gotta you gotta you gotta you gotta earn your ships to come overhead guys, the new guys. Y'all, y'all, I don't even know. I can't see you. Really the word hate you you're listening, say one let's say these are one you no no, you're not. I'm just saying I don't gotta you gotta care. I don't even gotta

do with care. But I understand that it's not the I wish I say, real hip hop or original power. That's not said that never said say because they're saying no people niggas never said that that. I feel like that this is just saving the vis certain stan get I don't get like who kind of kids? I was not not you you care? Don't you got a kid? Or I'm directly as you can't gotta care? One you gotta care? And too too. The reason why I can't interview now niggers, it's because I've never been on tour

with them. I never. I never have a relationship. I never, I never. I've never seen don't on the run and then come to my shows Like that's different that this thing was on the run and my show I you cheat. I almost want to say, you gotta last. But he came and they came with eat money bags. That's history. That's freendship. Am I saying the new niggas can't build their history? Of course they can't, but not here, not now,

not do slide. But the more you come up I'm gonna watch it because the one thing for showing two things for certain I gotta expect creativity, creativity, I don't give a funk even if you don't like it. I'm gonna respect creativity. You're expressing yourself because it's it's express people.

But people gotta learn it. So the thing is with me is I actually had a manager that Nigga that he took wrong when he said Chris, I actually had a manager that actually cared about my creativity, and he actually cared about my financial that doesn't exist in almore. These things don't give a funk about you, And the thing is gonna come. They're gonna say, all right, cool, you got a good record, you're bad at boogie, and

that's it. So what I'm trying to say is I want to pick up to people who survived the error that I survived, to survive the fucking ship, and it ain't about financial because you can survive and you can still be down. I want to respect the people that went through what I went through and more and they stood there like a man because it's so terrible. This business is horrible. It's so horrible. I'm gonna tell you I'm a laugh, I'm a smile for you as soon

as the camera go off. This ship is not that way. So when I smiled when the camera's off, that's can you win? But you haven't seen car Yeah you've seen on me back then he see the camera on and be like, you know what that is? That's pain. It's pain because he's been fronting so long. I'm not saying front like in a bad way. The chain work again. You can't wait your Jerry and Queens no more city boyd d. They try to. They try to snatch him. They whip the maup, they whipped the map, but they

try to snatch your chain. Come to Queens anytime, Jerry Hard you gotta yesterday it was right for you. Let's makes some nervy city bore. Well listen, lesten out and shot. He got his ship, He got his ship. Yeah, well we will kill him that whoever. I walked over that for my bronx like a Mike both Mike bo. He never put me in a headlock. He put in the headline yesterday. Everybody, you're the only one that can't swing. But listen, hip hop deserves to continue to get, continue

to celebrate hip hop. We deserve our people, City boy d Young Really, motherfucking who else is schmall? We deserve to sit back and just continue to support each other because if we don't, there will be nobody else that support us. So when you gotta legend like cheer, I leave with the mom clear T shirt on. That's very special t shirt, very special at least eighty nine, at least I know. I'm so. But we gotta continue. We gotta continue to do that. And my song that's how

we on it. We love it. You gotta remix. I got im one point. Okay, I'm one point, got on media game together a little bit. Me and Mike's got a record. Let's talk about this record. Let's talk about the record. Let's talk about the body. We just finished. Everybody they gotta talking sensuous. Man, you guys, I don't know that work, said pieces Ma situous. Yeah. Women is that female? Oh body? You can't be having rain female?

The brosin you're killing somebody. Honest, I'm a fair so we're not my son yall body these things catching kids, funny, Trump too much, keeping it to please change the people. But y'all to camble right, it's terrible video. Come, you got to see the video though. Video we don't already shot already. I don't know what the film is filmed it you can't shot film. Can He's triggered. You can't trigger trigger. You can't even say, yeah, I'm gonna fry.

I let your nigga's nigga. I'm so all. I went too far, I know, and you took a straight shots. That's all I drink. I'm gonna tell you this though. If I put you in the there hug, you're not getting out yo, te Mike. So I can't thank you brother enough. Listen, I want to continue to support. I don't want to even say real niggas. I want to just continue to say I want to support substance offense.

You know I'm dilecticle authenticity. You got to relax. But I want to continue to support niggas like your brothers, because you know why behind the scenes, when the person say a person is a real nigga, that's one thing. But then what happens when it's behind the scenes from the nigga could actually sit there and get your five and laugh. That to me is a real nigga like all the realist niggers I've ever met was never loud. The loud niggas the pussy nigga, and I'm loud, so

maybe I might be pussy too. But the loud nigger, what I'm saying, is the nigga that assists there and has fun and he smiles. That's the nigga I'm always worried about because I know that he wanted, he got something to rest. But when my gods just loud and this is what we got to continue to support in hip hop. And I really can't thank you enough, cheek, thank you. When you're talking Aboutami hanging out in Miami, I did this, Yeau come to Miami. It's totally different.

I'll be like that. I'll be I'm in Miami. But my song. I can't think you brothers enough because you know what, I'm gonna continue to do what I gotta do. That's how we wanted the remixes out Body Body so videos that I'm gonna click the link in my bio Chili b X my Son in General, shut Instagram, b X mice on in y general. Look at that's how the dream and you have if the Bronx, it's not if you felt like the Bronx wasn't alive. The Bronx is alive tonight today b X, it's Rain Supreme letting

the bridges over record. I kind of still don't be. I don't really like that. My brother's show biz d I d I t to tell if you're telling me studio is tough, you listening parties, all of that, that's my nephew. I'm sorry. I gotta be harder in your nephew. You gotta be harder on your family too. Thank y'all once again. And we're gonna going up balcony and smoke is cheap and wanting to smoke this back away forever, can't you? You were like, I ain't gonna lie, I

ain't gonna drink it over. You're getting wet right now, and you drinking straight. I ain't gonna lie. How I was weary of sach and I'm gonna drink chap. I'm an alcoholic and I'm not even drinking straight. But I looked, I said, damn, but I wanted you to get drunk, because that's that's my whole thing. But at the same talking as a friend, I was worried about you. Let's do it I'm not drink. A picture and a love, a love