Episode 70 w/ Ice-T

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somebody would say no, but the same thing. So we have hands down my favorite o G A person that every time I call him, he responds he doesn't He's never been Hollywood, he's never played this Hollywood game. As he was coming here, I told all my friends, I said, listen, they said, you know I you know what I said, Ice gonna come, don't low and walk up by Absolutely that's exactly who he is. He's been like that ever since I ever now him, and he continues to be

the realest person. I stribe every day to try to be like this man. When I'm you know, have that many years in this game, I would like to be like this stop stop it. And if you don't have Twitter, you should get Twitter just to follow this man at the final level. He drops the daily game every day I'm always watched it. I always respected And in case you guys do not know who was in the building right now, we got the legendary motherfucking iced tea in

the building. Make something drimp chance, maybe trip chaps. That's what sat we down, gread look at our bottles puff looking bad? You know, was bad that? But this is that's one of the first questions I have. It is because most people as have the experience, have the years and have the game with that light go what happened to the life going on? There? Going on? O G s in the game that has been in the game as long as you have are not social media savvy.

They're not on Instagram, they're not on Twitter, they're not on these uh ways that their fans could actually hit you. Why did you feel that you embrace social media? In my opinion, well, you know when I when I when I first started, we used to have a fan clubs, you know, and people would write in and then we

would send them back stuff. And I had my homie Shanny Sean ran the fan club, and it was very important to get my fans on board and to make them feel like they was part of whatever whatever my movement was. So when I got into it, I looked at I wasn't really into face book. I don't have a face me because I'm I'm I'm too sided with the norri one. I like to let people know, but I'm very private too, and I know that social media

is the number one tool of law enforcement. Not that I'm breaking the law anymore, but you're just giving giving them a fucker so much information about yourself, and all the people that watch you on social media aren't necessarily your friends. Your enemies could be laying in the right there too and pop up on your punk ass wherever the fun, you know, so you just like you really want to lead lead a nigger up to your front door. Really,

I don't know, you know. So I got into Twitter, and I liked how fast Twitter was, and I just got on there and I found the way that I could actually talk to my fans and and and some people. It was a cool feeling. I mean, I block you, though, if you say anything negative, I block you blocked with the quickness I got. I got a zero dumb fun policy. If you say anything to me that you would normally not say to me in the street, even if bad joke will getting blocked, Like, I'm like, oh you think

we that much? Friends? Block? You know now that I learned, the mute button is better than the block. Mute is if somebody, you know, some dumb talking to you, you're hitting mute and they don't know they blocked, so they keep on talking and they just are talking to know that, so they don't they don't get the you know, some people they like it. Oh yeah, I got iced t to block, like that's some type of badge and dumb

fuck honor or some bullshit you did. So I just mute you and then you thank you still talking to me, but no longer. Let's make some drink. Can learning about Okay, So now I want you to take me because um, a lot of o G they criticize this era, and now that they considered me a o G, I sort

of criticize this error. But the realist error A lot of people say the nineties, But the realist era was actually the error that took place before the nineties where you had the self destruction you had lets the late eighties. So I want you to describe to me that, like what first of all, like U in that same vein, Yes, but when you first got in the game. What year was that I started my my my first record came out like night, well early eighties, six and six. Yeah, yeah.

My my first single was eighty two, so because you know, I was right, yeah yeah, but but I made records with Mellie Mail and all that kind of stuff, not to my first album. And you know, I believed that radio and hip hop steers the bus to what music is. So at that time the bus was aimed toy groups like Public Enemy, Tour care Rest One. So as an artist, you knew they were in the studio. You knew Ice

Cube was over here dropping some ship. You knew Ghetto Boys was coming, so you knew you could keep it gangst it. But you had to have a political aspect to it. You just couldn't be just talking no nonsense. You had to come and break it down. So when you know, okay, Rock Kimson, the student, you know who else is out there? You had to bring a bar up to that our attempt to attempt to, you know,

do your best. So there was a degree of difficulty and agree agree of respect you wanted along with being able to have a good record, like I didn't people go like yo, man. I didn't want people say yo, I like your beat. I like niggas to walk up to me and say, yo, I thank you, thank you for what man. I was. You know, I was going up north. I was listening to you played yourself. But now let me ask you because I'm um, so you came out before n w A. Yes, so you are

technically the first gangster rapper. Not true. I get the credit to school e D. Yeah, school because I was making my records and stuff, but I wasn't known. And I was in the club and I heard uh ps K and ship came on, you know, and I called it dust like the music it sound like he was on Angel Duth Like I been around the dusk world, you know, I know what I know what that is. And I got some homies and stay Dusted and they're looking at you, looking at you crazy, like are you

do you like me? Are you about to stab me? Yeah? Yeah? So so school e D. So I I researched this record and they say, that's p s K, that's Park Side Killers, that's that's that's a Philly gang. So he was singing about it a game called park Side Killers. So I was like damn. This is the vibe of that song. So when I went in and make six in the morning, I kind of used the vibe in the cadence Welcome to Christmas Morning. All right, okay, all

right now, all right now, now we're looking like Drake Champs. Sorry. Yeah, So so I used the vibe in the cadence of PSK to do my first song, which was would he say PSK making that green? I say six in at least at my door? Yeah, I didn't make okay, And and then and then Cube said that boys in the hood, it's part two to six in the morning. So six in the morning, police at my door. The boys in

the hood are always hu you know. So everyone was riding that same kind of cadence and that that smooth vibe. But then I took I took school E D. And I made it really graphic. We we had oozes and hand garnades. And because I apologize for but what I'm trying to say is even school E D like for people that no who school E D is. But he wasn't like a big figure. So what made you say I'm gonna take this chance and stick with it? Because you did six in the morning, but you kept going.

But to see the thing of it was like I wasn't no rapper like I was. I was in the streets for real, for real, and I just happened to get a chance to wrap. So I would try to wrap like New York rappers and stuff. And my homies would be like, yo, niggas say that ship you be

saying because I used to make gang wraps. I used to make raps like let me do a gang rap, but like this, uh, let's see uh strolling through the city in the middle of the night, niggas on my left and niggas on my right yelling cook cook co rep every nigger I see. Now, if you're bad enough, come funk with me. I've seen another nigga. I say, crip again. He say, fuck a crip nigga. This is brim. So we pulled out the Roscoe. Roscoe said, crack, I look again. Nigga was shooting back, so we fell to

the ground, aimed for his head. One more shot. The nigga was dead. We walked over to and took his gun, spitting his face and began to run. So if you see another nigga laying dead in the street, in the puddle of blood from his head to his feet. I hope it's time all you bit. Yes, niggas get hip, but as fuck a brim nigget this West Side rolling sixty cup real, that's gangster round. What year was that year old? That was in high school? That was a

fourth yea. Yeah. Let me tell you something right now when you go to l A the most famous gang rollings, Yeah, yes, he's from sixties, but I'm from I'm from back in the day with nel Z and in keyto rock and yeah yeah yeah yeah John, you know big But anyway, but I mean see, I'm going to quench h'all. Sol y'all have sixties hoover Harlem eight trade gangsters. Har Harlem is thirties, Harlem is the thirties. So they named that

for New York. Yes, so the Harlem crips rolling sixties eight trade gangsteries, e G G. S uh they didn't you have have hoovers, you know? And not. That's basically that's why I that center of any anyway, So the gangster rap came from really rapping about gangster ship. So my homies was like, yo, they can talk about that ship. We do. But That's what I'm apologize. But the point I'm trying to make is because one us on the East Coast, we had only heard like us on the

East Coast, we weren't publican and fans. We were fans of you know, carress One who people we knew, or gangs stuff, and they were preaching. So when the West coast, the first time we heard the West coast, like you made me scared to go to the West Coast, Like I was like, what then, I don't want to go to breaching. I don't want to go to Yeah, I talk where to God? I was like I used to listen to yours, Like I don't want to go there,

Like whatever. But what made you say that? Because I don't want to call the gangster rap just the reality rap reality raps at that point because it wasn't and it wasn't really reality, because it wasn't everyone's reality. It was just my reality. That's what I'm saying. What made you say, I'm gonna put this reality wrapp on the forefront and the world is gonna gravitate. I had no I didn't have no, I just I just I just had to wrap for the cats in my neighborhood. Now,

the people in my neighborhood, that's what you got. You know you're hitting the stage, they're like, nigga, say are set, nigga? Wrap rep one eleven nigga when you up there, Ice because you know, then I had like diplomatical immunity because I was working with Downy Hunters. I was working with the As boys, I was working with athen Park Boys. I was funing with lots of gangs, so I was. I came out with the West Coast on my back, all the gangs, so I wasn't wearing the color niggas.

Niggas was always like what ices from sixties? Iis from are whereas iis from Bloodstone Villains because they see me over there chasing chicks and back. And then they said that Bloods was light skinned and dark skinned people were crips. That was no, no, no, no, I really really Bloods Blood are brims. That's the real gang, the real gang. We're crips and the brims. A crip refers to you as because a brim refers to you as blood. Anything

that's not a crip is a blood. So so so everything else like if I'm I'm I'm seven four five nine Crip from eight Trade Crip. Everything says Crip at the end, Inglewood Family, that's a blood gang. Pirrou that's a blood game. They're not Piru bloods. It is Tyrou athen Park Boys, that's a blood gang. Than Yeah, if you're not a crip by default, by default, because that's that's what you are. Well, there's there's more crypts and

bloods Cali. Anyway, So back to this rap music. So I'm in this I'm in this world right, so I have to make a music that those people will relate to. So without claiming the set, because you'll notice no one claimed the set toil after ninety two since you'll after the truth. Even Snoop wasn't wearing all that blue. He was kind of like it was real, you did so everybody. I was trying to this kind of like let niggas know what you know, Like like I said, we're gonna

let the niggas know where we're from. Because New York was so powerful, we had to say, well, look that's great, but this is where we from and we had to wrap about our life. And uh, I didn't know I was hot until I got a call from uh from from San Francisco and the Fillmore West wanted me to perform up there in the Bay. And that's not film more Slim film more some more West is it is the arena. NAM like, yeah, you know, I'm going there. I'm going there. So we're getting I get the call.

They asked me, what I do a show up there. I'm like, I'm not popping in l A like that, you know, I'm I'm nigga with a record out. And then San Diego still considered the Bay. That's the Bay, that's a whole another world. But that's not for that's that's seven hours away. So so I'm like, North, I'm saying, you're not popping there? Why would you go there? I wasn't popping in that l A. Like you know, like how many niggas in New York got records out right now?

But are they popping what I'm saying? So my record was out, I wasn't the ship in that l A. I was just trying to make it right. But they wanted me up there, so I'm like really, They're like, yeah, this hells, you'll do the show. I sold the show out, so they called me back. They go that show sold out. I'm like, really, so another ways, I was hotter in Frisco than I was in my home time. You knew what the sold out show meant. That Yeah, they said,

no more tickets. They said, would you do another show? They said? They said, I did back and back shows and to feel more sold out on one song six in the morning, what other the other bullshit I had to do? And I was like, Yo, this ship could be really big, Like this is real. Now I'm not really making no money with this. I'm still in the street.

I'm making money doing other things and stuff. And you know, I'm at that point where you know that dilemma that street nigga is running too where they want to get. But I always always wanted out of the game. I didn't I never I didn't really like it. I just did it as a survival. One of the reasons I don't drink. Like I'm an orphan. I have no mother, I have no father, I have no sisters. I've read that you was an orphan. I thought I thought that was something. So I always felt liquor or weed or

drug would compromise my position. It would put me in a position that if I hit the ground. There's nobody to come get me, So I just got to stay on my toes. Dig So i'm i'm i'm in, I'm in, I'm in the water is full of sharks and I gotta stay on my toes. You did so, So that's one of the reasons. Just the case you are right right now, if you want to take a shot of anything, we got your Yeah. Yeah, I've been. I've been, like I was a designated driver before there was a term

for because that's what that's about, the act. So so you mean even as a child throwing up in the game culture and I remember, I remember there was that, and the West Coast was the people who kind of introduced us. A lot of people credit routine for that, but it was the term Sherman had as a as a West Coast It's a cigarette the Sherman to put the PCP on. So you've never got hig not one, No, I didn't. I mean I've been contact high because I've

been in and studios. But when I was younger, this one cat I remember, I might have been maybe fifteen or younger, and some guy was like, yo, hit the weed, you know, and I'm like, I want to hit the weed. So you was a bit If you don't hit the weed. I said, well, I'm a bitch, make me hit it right. You go, why are you tripping? Why are you tripping? Right? So now that I he I stood my ground, the next person try to get me high? He go, he don't get high because if he couldn't make me do it,

no one else why. This became the sober cat and the click. Then when I got into the real gangster ship, as it got more escalated. Whenever I would walk into a room and there would be a bunch of people, the one person that didn't get high, that was the cat. I keep my high. You did because I know he probably you know, he got that thing on him and he won. That's his job. You know. If you guys have security, you let your security get high. You know, So do you got to think about it like that.

I don't have security, feel me? So now? Why? Ice? I always answer me, Baby, that's what I'm here. I'm gonna be honest, Ice. I can't wait to highest security for why? Like for years? You just be you? Like? I mean, I remember one time I was shooting a movie. I did not know what I was doing. I did not know what I was doing. I told you to come somewhere four thirty. You got there at four o'clock and you ain't complaining. You stood there Riga like I

supposed to be here. And niggas that make that type of music. We know who is official. I can listen to you, I can listen to Mob Deep, I can listen to different records m OP I love you know. If I'm going political, I like that presidents like that. I know who and I can I can we through the phony niggas to I'm like, how many bricks you sold? Nigga your only six team? Like that's not a possibility that happened? Like that doesn't doesn't that? Like you know

how many shot? How many? So I kind of like could I was? I'm a fan, so that that comes into play. And then also, like I say, all I have is my word, and I'm not see I'm the kind of person I have people to work for me. So if I can't be on point, how do I expect them to be on the point? So I have to I have to set that example. So I don't like being late. I like to stand on my world. I mean, you're gonna show up late to a drive by and nigga say, we're leaving it. You guys, you

can't be showing up late. So these numbers are important. You got to do your numbers. But as a person who don't smoke and don't get hig do you take life too seriously? Do you take life to a lot of people who do that? Not at all? I mean, I I enjoy life. I see it for where it is. I made it this far. I'm I'm I'm just a more laid back person. I'm just a cool person. You know, I'm not. I don't like to brag. I don't talk about myself that like in that if you don't ask

the question, I won't tell you. You know what, people say that damn you so cool? I'm like, well, how are you getting named Ice? Nigga? Like really, you know, Ice is everybody wants to be Ice in the hood. You know, gonna say that's a great name, that's a very you know, people like, damn you could be Ice? Can you be? You know? So they gave like bitch want said, nigger, you got that name. Niggas can't take that name from you. You'n you can't take that name

from me. So you know, can the nigger name. I used to be real agg all the time and excited and up tightened ship. That doesn't work because you set off, in my opinion, when when East Coast we had gangster rap, but it wasn't It wasn't reality rap. It wasn't you guys that mob style. No, Mom's something come up before you didn't know, but after it, okay, this is this, trust me. So you when I think a West Coast

I wouldn't think a gangster rap. Your name is one of the first, if not the first, right and you and you you coined that, so did everybody else. Kind of gravitated because I believe in w a came out, but the word gangster rap wasn't out with me. The word gangster rap came out, yes, because Cube and Extra out of Compton. He says from a gang called niggas with attitudes. He didn't say from a group. He said from a gang. So he represented his click as a gang.

And then then the pressed coin gangster rap. They didn't have a name until they gave it that name. But I was but that's why after they did that, I said, well, if it's that's gangster rap, then I'm the oviginal gang. You are, So that's when it went backwards. Okay, that's now gangs rep Then I'm the old original gangs. You flipped everybody's wig at one point. At one point, we're sitting back and we see this bishop dom, We see

these pimps uping movie. We see ice, this slide full to the side, magnetic, and the way you did it and the way you spoke. We knew that you wasn't front. We knew that you were well and how the pimps accepted you. But now it was that a life prior to your gang. The thing of it was, I was in the streets hustling, So I didn't sell. I tried to sell coke once, but then everybody took the money and ran off like I gave I I I gave it out my friends and they all came back short.

So so now I wasn't going to do kill my friend what I had left. I was just able to make the money that I invested back. That's I can't do this no more. But then when I was in every one of them, everyone niggas had stories like I'm like, yo, How'm I gonna niggas understanding this. You know, you give out the dope to your friend and he comes back with a story not money. I'm like, I can't do this because now I'm supposed to force, but I can't, my buddy, So I got out of that. I tried.

I tried, I tried. You know, I had some weight, exactly invested my money, but it didn't work like that. You know, I was more. We was more basically jewelry store Roberts. We was robbing jewelry stores, doing things of that nature. But when I was in the Army, I got connected to a pimp named Machel, and Machel I used to go hang out at his house and he said, you cut for this game, ain't Maybe you got them light eyes, You're not too much turned on bodies? No, no, no, no,

My buddies. My buddy in the army, his girlfriend's sister was a hull a prostitute. So so when his girlfriend an army, oh no, Hawaii's like open season, you know, because you have all that military I mean, Hawaiian y'all was in the army because it was a ranger. So okay. So so my boy, Spicer, you know, I don't like using names because I don't know where these niggas are at this moment. He might be working for IBM. I might get fired. But my boy Spicer, his girl was

was her sister. So it's like, yea, we're gonna go to this party this weekend. But but blind we would go over there and it was my man Machel's house full of holes. So he would look at me be like, YO, says, you mean working prostitutes, because you know working girls, prostitutes, and they were working on the island of Huai. Who you've got. You have navy, you have navy, you have marines there, and you have army, and and those guys only have a weekend. They don't have a lot of

times to create relationship. So and then you have a lot of tourists there. So you're saying the US government since your holes. Well, I'm just saying prostitution is accepted in certain places. To keep it everything. It's always been in the military. Yeah, it's a lot of it's a lot of guys on that island, right, So kind of like it was a good place to get your pimpen. So I'm over there and homeboy was just like, Yo, you cut for this and this that in the third

and I'm like, yeah, you know what I'm saying. But I'm in the service. And so then when I got home, we was we was when we would rob and ship. We had girls. We was working plastic like even thing it's talking about. They did sliding credit cards. It's an old game. That's an old games. Were getting the micro film and we were making the credit cards, and we had the military, the I D s. We were printing them and ship. We've been doing that ship for years.

That's nothing new. This new credit card game. Now they got a chip. Okay, new game, and you figured that one out. Motherfucker. They got a chip for your punk ass. You ain't sliding shipping them. You know how to take the credit cards, tacking it. That's all these niggas is gonna lose their Gucci belts. But anyway, so I'm in that. So we we we would always keep females in our click and stuff. So eventually I started reading this Iceberg slim ship not decide. I wanted to pimp on the bit.

You know. So my girls was trying to run. They was trying to They're looking for they was trying to escape. I remember, I just want chick named Mary. So I'm trying. I'm just trying to, you know, get her out there, like let's go get this money and ship like that. And she ran in one of my partners like I just pimping on me. He's pimping like that, and then he come to tell me to bit choosing, like she

ain't choosing. Nigga, you were arrest having for holes trying to get away from this pimping I'm trying to put on. But I was close enough. I mean, pimping is not very difficult to do. All you just need is a girl just willing to shit and and hustle. I wasn't no big time pimp like uh, you know, bishoping them. But you know, I mean every other nigga probably have sent the bitch before. I mean, just sending a girl to perform the act of prostitution and bring you the money. Okay,

That's what pimping is, all right. So I dabbled in all types of levels of the game, but I was no knockdown, drag out pimp with a catalyt. Let me let me tell you some very difficult let me tell you something. Let me tell you something. I watched pimp suppose. Now, I watched a couple of other movies and for a week I thought I was a pimp. I think that's my wife. This story might get shut down here. Yeah, yeah, that's my wife. Luck she's But so what happened was,

let me get the story out here. Oh I got some great what happened story? Bishop don't want comes to the hood, laugh, gives me my cup and says, you were one of the famous players of the year war. So I'm like, I don't know because I get why he's giving me the famous player to yeah, boar war, But I know I'm not a pimp like I do that.

So girls, you're sleeping high and I walk into this club and I said, bits chu, I don't know why I said this, and if it saying yeah, I choose you all the good game, all of them kid of me and said you don't know what you're doing, and it's it's true, But how does that How does a person get into pimping? I mean, basically, you gotta find a female that's like hose are hose without actually without a pimp? You know, every girl knows a girl that thinks that they can use that as a method of operating.

We used to call the strip club the indoor track, you know what I'm saying. So it's it's like they're not actually prostitutes, but they're working inside of an element. But it's still any time you're actually given somebody some type of sexual um for money that you don't like them, you're prostituting yourself. Even a woman who's going out to dinner with a guy for a pair of shoes and

stuff like that, she's actually prostituting herself. Even in this business, sometimes they asked us to do ship, not that even sexually, and you would like, damn, man, I feel like I'm I'm giving up myself for the money, you understand. But I mean, I mean, how do you get into any game? You know, you you you desire it, you want it, and then you got to find willing participants, you know. So I had these girls that were thieves and stuff, and I was trying to turn them out into being hosed,

but they was like they were resisting. And ship, I mean, I had I had some crazy story. I took one story. I told him one of the movies was me and my partner Gary Barnette. We uh, we knocked and bra. So they was hose from up north and stuff. So we got on our ship. We and their pimp when you say area, but these bitches was real prostitute, right, so we want to be pimps. We're trying to get out and well we figured that out, so we put yeah. So we sent the broad so we like Gary tent

To brought to the casino. He riding behind her in the car, trying to watch the bitch, and the dude in the car sees it, starts whipping. The bitch asks like you gotta nigga following me throughout the out the motherfucking car. She getting the car, like Nigga, how long have you been doing this? Like like I don't know. So that night they get back to the hotel, Nigga's go to sleep. They wake up the next day stole his car. See the holes. The hose was smarter than

the players in that situation. So Pip is difficult, and and I don't like a lot of stuff that I've been through in my life. I don't promote it has something to do. I just say it was something that I've been through. I'm not able to promote anything all all crime and all hustles are negative at the base of them, you know. But you know, at the moment you ever see Fargo, why quote that line? It seemed like the right thing to do at the time. You know,

in my circumstances. What was around me, drug dealers, killers, gangsters. I thought, well, ship, since I'm flying, I got long here, maybe I should be working with these girls. But I didn't make no fortune off of that. I made most of my money robing jury stores. That was some noise of Robin Jewry stories. That's what we did. An occasional bank but that's what that's what my click, occasional bang.

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it at play dot It. We're back to Drink Champs Radio with Rapper and r N. And now I heard a story. Oh you and ben Zeno having conflict. Yeah, ben Zeno actually being on the West coast, and ben Zino has described it as you having two hundred different gang members with you. He said you could have actually killed him there. Yeah, and you walked over now he walked over to you. The thing of it is is killing people is not that simple. I mean, do you

carry that with you foreverage? So you can't just you know a lot of times, you know what was the beef, even people dispatching, and you just choose not to do you want to sleep with that on your head. That's not my thing. You know, I'll protect myself and I'm not I'm not gonna attack a person. So, um, what happened was back during the cop killer days. We've had cop killer songs, correct, But we were both far Warner Brothers. But he was with a group called Mark Almighty Hour

or so. So what happened was when I pulled out for Warner Brothers because the president was after me, and ship got hot. Night ended up pomping pulling the source magazine came down said Ice as a coward. He gave in I'm like, how my coward to President Night States is after me? This is real ship. Wait wait wait, wait, wait, time on what you just said. So you just said you just said the cop Color record. Yeah, got hot. And then and then the president what was the bus

son of a bush? Was the son of a bush? Bush? Yeah? Yeah, yeah? The bush was on my ass and so was dan Quail And they said they said they was after me. They was like, yeah, they wanted my head, they wanted Ali North, wanted to try me for sedition, which is punishable by death. They was on my bumper. Yeah, they was on my bumper for this song. Cock Colors was

a major situation. So you know, we pulled the record off of Warner and all the rapping niggas had something to say about it, like, oh you know giving in now. Chuck Dee to this ground said, look, if y'all ain't in the war, you shouldn't comment on the battles. You don't know what's going on. This ship is real. Real secret service pulled my daughter out of school and chaster was I connected to paramilitary Oregan? They wanted to see if I was really a threat. See this is Nori.

This is the problem. When the president says your name, the deepest background check of your life happens instantly. They know everything from your shoe side to your mother's blood type. Why because this next question could be what do we know about him? They can't be he's a rapper, like this is this, this is this, this is this, this is It happens instantly, so when that happens to you, you feel it. To long story short, I'm going through this bullshit. So Rso ben Zeno and them come out

and make some statement. Your iced teas a sucker because he pulled and because he pulled that call, you mean pulled the record cop Killer was on on the first Body Count album. I pulled cop Killer off and put a record called Freedom of Speech. I did it because I didn't want them to pigeonhole me. And in my career right there, I got a lot of other ship. I need to say. It's not just about this one song. They were trying to take a nigga out New jack

City too, didn't happen because of that record. When I said it was on my ship, it was it was like you say, it was bigger than rap So Bengino or whoever whatever spokesperson made this comment, Well you know I was. I was. I was under siege. At that point, I didn't need no rap niggas popping off like oh this nigg is that in the third I'm like, you don't really even know what's going on, right, So of course nigg is in my circle. We knew who our

enemies were. We always keep nigga's abreast, so who was out there? So they popped up on our charts like okay, these niggas are And so I was popping off about ice who woo this niggas popped you know, we know who's you know, who may not be a friend. So we were at an event and uh, there they were and there I was, and niggas seen him before me. Nigga's like, yo, ain't that them niggas? And uh, I won't pre internet? Yeah, and I he saw two hundred niggas. I man, I don't know how many niggas I had,

but I was. I had the whole West coast with me, you know what I'm saying. I had the whole West coast with me. So I just walked up on him. I'm like, yo, man, whatever you niggas think I said it did is all this Rob roys uncalled for. Man, I did what I had to do and it didn't affect y'all. Just all it is. Yeah, well and they kind of like renigged. Yeah, we was mad, we was hard. It was an interview. There was really no beef. It was just a missing said. It was a miscommunicated how

to speak, and that's what real men do. That's what real men do. So you know that was it. But I want you to describe this cop Killer record because you single handedly made the world pay attention to wrap by this cop Killer record. Now, it wasn't now now it's a record that these young brothers would love to praise. But what made what? What? What? What? What made you

even think about make a great question record. We were in the studio making you know, body count, and uh, I was singing a song by a group called the Talking Heads called Psycho Killer. You go psycho Killers succeed. So I'm singing that and my drummer, beat Master v rest In Peace goes, we need a cop killer right now? What you ain't had no beef for police? No, we had police people. This is free Rodney King. You know

we know what the cops is doing before. Yeah, yeah, so my niggas like yo, you know Vickers right there on the front line. So he's like, yo, man, we need a cop killer. You know, the cops rolled up on such and such, they shot him, they dragged his baby moms. You know, this will do lo ship. And so I started thinking about it, and I said, yeah, what if somebody snapped and this went on one after the cops based on police brutality. And that's the hook is cop killer is better you than me? Cop killer?

Police brutality. Cop killer. I know your family's grieving, Fuck them, cop killer tonight we get even. And so it's it was more about this guy who lost his mind based around police brutality, which just recently happened. Now people actually have started taking off on the cops. It took a little while, but I predicted it. I wasn't promoting it. I just I was singing the third you know, the first person. I become different people in my records. That's just part of the art. You know. I could sing.

It's like if I was a heroine attic and I've never been on it, but I can sing and act like it and give you the imagery of it. You did so, But that scrutiny, it started from the President the President said. They started with the Fraternal Order of Police out of Dallas Austin, Texas. They came after me because during this they no, they just said that Warner Brothers put out this inflammatory record and they should be band and boycotted. And then Chaunton Hesson came out and

they just went on one. Because of the time, the cops were under siege for doing the same ship they're doing now. This was back then, so the best way to take the heat off them is to attack somebody else. So they picked me kind of like the Willie Horton thing. They picked me as a target and so they came down like, dude, I'm sitting at the house, let me date myself. We were playing Techno Bowl that so I'm playing Techno Bowl and Nigger comes one of my homies like, yo,

I this is on TV right now. The President it's talking ship about you. Like what yo really for? Really? We're like we changed the channel and the President and Ice tick Niggas was like that you ever did one of the O ships? Like oh, O ship? Like oh, like we knew this was big, like al Qa and ship. Yeah, And and then it just started to happen, you know, you could feel him. You know that I got taxotted

it three times into two year period. Uh, I had ice cream trucks sitting in front of my house in the middle of the winter, you know, because they had to really figure out was I trying to call people the arms, which which I wasn't. It was just a record. It was just a protest song. So you know, I lived through that and I found out who my friends were. You know, they don't care about hip hop. Hip Hop can back you, but when hip hop back you, hip hop is one big nigga. Just it's just one nigga.

I don't give a funk. How many rappers come to your aid, that's just one niggad. You need someone outside of hip hop the back if you get in trouble, all the Rapid band together, we are all just one nigga. Now, you you need maybe Quincy Jones, you know who's not considered a nigga, you know, somebody but yeah, might still

be considered. But no, that's what they'll do when he came if he came out and saying that, well, you know he's a rapper, and they'll throw him in there with the Yeah, you need someone outside, you know, Martin Scorsese or someone to coming back with your Tarantino in the back. He's he went up against the college, someone who's unexpected to back you. So anyway, I took the heat, and you know, I wrote it out like you know, I didn't bring anybody else into it. I didn't say, hey,

this other rap group, of this rock group. I just handled it myself the way I've been. You know, I was raised by Jez and I I still adhere to that code. You know, that's your drama. You deal with it, you dig So I dealt with it, you know. And if it wasn't, because I mean it was, you did Uncle Luke, because if you first, then Uncle Luke and Uncle Luke, then death Row, the death roy n he was the first what I'm saying that he dealt with right right loose? Yeah, yeah, it was. The president was

on FBI. FBI was yeah. But then when they drop death Row with Ted Turner because they were concerned it was it was a ripple effect. Dion Warwick was involved in all these people. Yeah, and the Lori's tuck up. Let me give you a jewel. Though it's not hip hop that they we're afraid of. They were afraid the fact that white kids were getting this information. It's like, as long as you sing to the hood, no one really cares because they already say we won, big nigger.

But once we express it and they see their little daughters just walking around for the police and cock Killer, and then now you're infecting the rest of the world, and that's when you become a threat. So that's when when they saw me have you know, thousands of white kids yelling police with me, they were like, we gotta deal with this cat, right because he's infected. That's why one of my alms was called home invasion, because it was me saying, you know, we've invaded your kids. You

know we're in there. You gotta respective on cops. And now that you play one wait wait that Yeah, I've got going there, Charlie, I got I gotta gotta mention it to my manner. Yes, let's say, great interview. Let's interview that I like good questions. You know you're doing interview in the niggas and you dun't question you alright, how long have you been in the NBA? What are you talking about? So now, The Cop Killer, one of my favorite records of all time still to this day,

is created. I still want to create. I actually think I created this record over but I didn't do it justice you did it, goes I am. If y'all know the record, If you're real hip hop, man, I open another bottom. We already got the bottles open. Come over here, come over, you're the bar. But lax, relax, that's right there. I want everybody, if you real hip hop, to sing along, help me sing along. I am a nightmare walking psychopath talking yo yo from when what was the movie Let

me let me right before? Was that was that inspired? Or before the movie? Did you already know? You say? Let let me take it to where it was going to where I was going. I hadn't heard of California at this time. What year it was? Colors? Can you google it? Has I wanna be that's gonna be like ninety two? I think you got But I had heard of California. We had, we had, we had, we had. You know, we're all off. I'm not visions of California, but this is the first time, in my opinion, this

is the original California Love Colors. And when I heard that, when I sink the movie, I had no idea that was popping off? Right, What the funk was going on in the West Coast, oh I used to see was beaches, right, Yeah, I had no idea you could get killed in California until Colors, like I had. I knew about killer, but I was just like, I didn't know what colors were before color. Colors was colors before I thought, yea, Colors. What happened with Colors was they was doing this movie

called Colors. Dennis Hopper was directing it, and apparently they it was gonna be a Warner Brothers film. And due to the fact it was Warner Brothers film, I was the first rappers signed to Warner Brothers. So they're gonna, of course look at my music first. So they had they wanted to use a song I did call Squeeze the Trigger off my first album, and the movie was already done. You got a movie, Stiff, so they got that.

They got they got this scene with Don Cheeto in it, you know, Rocket, and he was listening to my songs. So I'm like, well, let me if you want to if you want to use my song, let me see the movie. So I got to see the movie. So I'm looking at the movie, I'm like, Okay, there's some wrong ship in it because at the time the Blacks wasn't fighting the Mexicans. You know, there was some other stuff.

But I'm like, it still kind of gives you an overall, you know, the most real ship is when you see the hanking in the county with thirty eight hundred and the crypts and the bloods across with the fence. Yeah, it was powerful, but they never let that main niggas out at the same time. But s again, there's a scene where you see them and coming at the crypt module and you see the crypt module on one side and the Blood module and they're in that year. But no,

they never let that many people out. And also in jail, you don't wear all the colors like that, you know, so they let them in jail. You're in a uniform by this, but they showed it like that to kind of you know. So I'm sitting there so I'm like, I'm not gonna critique that out. I'm happy they're making a movie now. When they wanted to do the movie, first they said let's shoot it in Chicago, and then Dennis Hopperson, let's shot it in l a the people said, we have gangs in l A, that it would have

been about Chicago. Well they did. They wanted to make a movie about gangs, but they didn't know there were games in l A. That year, three hundred and sixty kids had died, almost one a day in l A. But no one even it wasn't spoken. It's like black lives matter, No one talks about us. We're just getting killed. So so I'm like, okay. So I watched the movie. So I said, do they have a title song? And they had a song, and if you want to track the movement, get the color soundtrack. B side last record

is a song by Rick James called Colors. It's whack. It's like Rick James, look at all these colors. You know, Rick James out. So I'm like, no, I can't funk. So I told Africa Islam, who was produced me at the time, I said, let's make a record. I said, I know this gang ship like the back of my hand. I mean, let's take him in the brain of a gang banger. So at the time I was vibing here's another something you never know. I was vibing off a

King's son's record. Methological mythological meth metholot. Remember he comes on when I get ill, it's a reason because it duck season. Why I am a nightmare walking psychopath talking's mythlage. I think, rapp we in, you're influencing each other. You're not biting because you never knew. But I'm like, yo, I'm coming in like King's son because he said when I get ill, it's a reason because it's duck season. Hunter of the front of you know, I like that

ship is just came in. I am a nightmare walking psycho. Same ship. So I wrote the song, did the video. It was so big. People thought I was in the movie People walking to me, like y'all saw you in college. Yeah, in the movie, And I saw the movie so many times. But now that movie, the song might be bigger. That movie was single handley the introduction to California lifestyle and put me in the game. Because all my other records, I was still bubbling. But that was a national hit.

I mean that crossed all and that, and everybody wanted to see the guy that make colors. So I went out on the Dope Champ tour with Eric B and rock Him, Douggie Fresh Kumo du Bis Marquee uh and and I was out there with them. I was the only West West Coast crazy performed that song and that we shut him down. And you know, it's funny because Eric b and then was kind of like, you know,

l A Niggers. They had that New York ship going and they you know, they had to change and Supreme uh Matt Mathematics Great Magnetic was out there from this sept becomes Brooklyn. So we got we My intel had told me, you know, I've got my own intel. I'm like the CIA that like, Okay, he's the one watched him. He's a shooter. I don't walk Intore, I don't walk I know what's going on. So they was like, okay, this one's live and it's one right there and he's cool.

So they was looking at us. They had no idea who we were, and we showed up. They were like, oh, these are l A gang members, Like it's crazy. We had all that. We had just the same ship they had, but the West Coast version of it. And when I hit the scene, I came out and I opened with Colors on the tour and this ship rocked like I just came out that the whole stadium, and they and all of a sudden caress one started talking to me.

Everybody on the tour realized that I was pulling my mother right out, and we all became close friends when I came into our friends today, But they were sized me about the gate. No, but did you understand that Colors? And in a way like right now, you can look at you going to the hall im and I'm sure because you live in New York for real, right Like, you're not a fake guy who just business New York, New York Jersey. You're around, You've been around at places

I'll be at. I'm like, dad, Yeah, So did you ever think that from Colors that New York would be gang banging the way New York is? I still don't truly understand it, Like I roll with Tretch a lot, right and treach Bloods over and orgy with the bloods. You know, I can't really get it, totally understand it. But one thing I do understand is respect a nigger with a gun. You know. You know I'm gonna walk up to a nigga said, well, you're a fake gang banger.

You're like, yeah, it's a fake bullet to take this, you know, so I don't know, you know, when when you're from l A and you hear guys in other cities saying their hoover crips but they've never seen the street, or they're you know, you know whatever. You know, they're sixty, but they're from Florida. So I'm like, how how is that possible? Because sixties is a street and all of them thirties and the streets the forties or a street h s eighty third Street's usually the hottest street in

that ten block radius. Is a street that gets named like one, eleven and twelve. Oh so so you know, I learned, but I know how it happened. What happened was when the drug trade really hit and it stopped coming through Florida, it started to come through Mexico. I should I even tell this story. Nobody listens to and

this is old game. But what happened was the coke became less expensive in California, and as it moved across the country, it became instantly like a key with double So everybody in l A was trying to put the game on the road. So you got a cousin in Seattle, right, So you send a couple of homies up to Seattle and you say, Okay, at this point, y'all niggas playboy gangster crips because that's where set we from. And these niggas are from Seattle and they don't really know about it.

But then there's some real and we take these niggas and get them khakis and ship like that. Then maybe you might send the nigga from l A to put some work in. They ain't never seen violence like that before, you know, they turned out and they move and wait, and this happens all over the country, niggas coming in from St. Louis. So there's somebody from l A that took that gang out there. Now are they respected in l A well to an extent? But you can't come.

I don't care if you're from whatever, Wyoming or whatever. And you come to l A and you actually in Hoover's Hood and you claiming Hoover, you're gonna bow down that street, that actual street, the niggas on that block, that's the gs. So I I you know, I I I was up in Harlem and I met some bloods, right, So I was like, they're like, yeah, nigga, I used were blood. So I'm like like that. I said, okay, like that he said you was a crip right, and

they're like yeah, it was cool. I'm like, well, you ain't cool with me, you know, like if is really banging, right, I said, well, gang banging is an act of murder. So then they was like they was like, I said, somebody ship show me a blood sign. So they did like this. I was like, turn it upside down. I said, that's a blood sign too. They were excited. They were like, yeah, okay, so he definitely be I just turned it upside that's

a blood sign. Like I'm giving him gang tutoring. They were like thank you, Like like I was like, man, but nobody that comes from that wants it to happen. The gang thing happened we were young kids was out there were protect in the neighborhood, and it got taken out of control once the drugs came in. Once the drugs came in, its split into little sets. So now crypt is fighting crips blood and Nikki's don't care what color. So you're saying back then, crips wasn't fighting Chris because

it seems like crips always have be for crips. No no, no, no no no. If he was a crip, was but now it sets. The sets just splinter. They splinter. So say, for instance, we all won crip set and then you got the sack and you, like nigga, we the norriy crips. Now we us for this splinter. That's what happened, he said, because the price of the drugs went down, like when Escobar went down and it all started going through Mexico.

The creed it's creating, it's just greed. It's like, yeah, yeah, the trade came to l A, but greed, greed, it's just you. He's the boss. You start counting his money. As soon as the A side nigga starts counting the boss's money, you have the potential for deceit and you think it happened. So you always telling me, man, nor he's making a little bit too much money. You why are you counting the boss's money? Man? Why are you worried about what he's making? And eventually you're gonna say, man,

let's go this way, and that happens. And in any type of organism, gang culture, let me ask you a question and gang culture. Can there ever be one leader or no? Yeah, the leader of each set. I wrote what the dude named Tony Bogard, who was uh the leader of Imperial Courts of the p J. Watts Crips, which is a whole project. And I've seen him walk into a like a wrecked room, a room and hatting. I've seen a hunter niggers stand up and like when he get quiet until he came in and they sat down.

I'm like, yo, that was a g but they killed him. Wow, you know he's on. I mean, you know the thing about gang membership is thinking about crime period is everyone is a liar, a cheater, a thief, a double ca I mean, you're dealing with a group of bandits. You think, so anything could happen. You know, you hope there's loyalty inside of it, but you're dealing a bunch of murderers. Everyone is cold blooded, you know, to your your ideas to get the funk out of there as soon as possible.

And you know that's why I'm square as a pool table twice as green. I wouldn't steal a nickel off the mantel peach. I'm not really, I'm not really you know, I'm fortunate I lived through it, but it's not what I'm about no more. I don't want to live like that. Man. That's just crazy. Now, Ice, you survive the aw the scrutiny from the Copkiller record. You you you you? You pull out the Colors record of Color record, bring you everywhere?

Now where is Ice at? When he hears end Way the ball release us that when well I knew, you know, I knew end up Way because n w A used to open for me. We used to go out, Yeah you just said that, mad nonchal lotly and I had to be around Colors too as well, you're gonna do cute, they'll take out n w A. We would all tour together, would be n w A iced T D O C. And then when Easy put out his record, they split it and they tried to, you know, do Easy with another group and we would all go all over the

place together. We used to fight together. We used to get out there and get it gone because we were West Coast, you know, Cuban mayor life brothers. I love Cube like we we're close. I used to um when they came out with the police, we was out there wrapping. We're out there rapping and they hit him in the

head with that. I'm like, oh, ship, but see, I always see the first time you heard it was on tour though, Yeah, because easy And they were playing it before they dropped it, so I heard it on the radio. I'm like, oh, y'all is about to go there? Because I used to say I used to say fun the police on my shows, right, so I don't. When I would before I would do six in the morning, I would go out and I would say, Yo, the police

told me I can't do this song right. And then I would like, get the audience pipped up and I was like, yo, I say fuck the police, and the crowd went crazy. So maybe a little light went off an Easy Heads like I have something right here. But I used to say, I say I had an echo. I said, my name is I iced T. I gotta rep like a killer killer. No one gets Wilder, no one gets illa Ella. I don't get high. I don't drink Miller Miller. But if your girl's empty, I'm sure

I can fill it. Filler. I make stupid ass records because I just don't care. Motherfucker's can't even play my Ship on the air. But y'all know you like it, you say you want more, because every time I leave the crib to go to the store, I hear six in the mooning police at my door. Four Like I was, like I was, I was. I was with them at

the time, and you know, it was, it was. It was a movement, and I always knew and to me, honestly, n w A I needed in w A because I was by myself and the half four more cats rolling. Yeah yeah, yeah, we weren't enemy. So it's like, and you know, now they would always hit harder than me because I'm one rapper versus a gang of motherfucker's rapping and it sounds better when people are spitting on top of each other. But and then they wrote some incredible records.

Then they had the neighborhood. No no, no, they're from different areas. Cubans from a hundred and twentieth Street. I'm from the forties. And like so I knew dub C. Dub C used to be beat box for Clientele, who was in the Wrecking Group. So but that's the thing. L A is a small tree, like you guys hip hop, Oh,

here's a big tree. Everything in l A is either n w A and who they became, the syndicate, my crew and who they became, which included Cypress Hill which crews ever Last when Crew does pain and in Laddin them or a few groups who weren't Delicious Final, which was Tone Logan Young MC. So if there's beef in l A, you can call me Que Snoop, you know, and shut it down, because there's only it's everyone that

comes up from under us. So that's why the only time there was ever be from the West Coast was family feud when they fought and everybody just had to step back because I'm gonna get between Easy and Que when I know, you know, it's a family fuse. So when the police came out, did you know exactly what they was gonna go through at the night. I had no idea because because you were the first, we were hardcore wrap though they weren't really fucking with us like that.

I didn't have no idea that the police would intervene. I had no idea they were actually going through the body counting yet. Yeah, after we were going through cursing ship. It's after came out first. Yeah, Yeah, I got my history funt a cop killer came off. No, no, no, Cop Killer didn't come out to uh body count didn't come out to the O g out now, So that was later. But they did it first and we were already getting in trouble for cursing. This is how bullshit

shows at shows. Remember this is the loop thing. And if you if you curse, we're gonna arrest you. That was you can't curse. So they would show up at the shows and show us that ship, and then what we would do is we would do the show and the cops would be on the side and they used to shut the lights off and I would jump off into the pit and run out the side like so we would run from the cops and then we would get the tour bus and we would get to the

next stage. He really paved the way for us. That's just one of the total perspective when the person says it like that. Because Luke said it, and I thought Luke was being bad. I didn't know who was being bad for cursing. I thought it was being bad for being vulgar. Cursing in the Bible belt when you're down there. That's yeah, they were UNTI that they would show up at the show with a piece of paper that says,

if you curse, we will shut the show. That and that was my my queue to go harder, like, yo, funk that. You know what I'm saying, We're gonna come out here. And I would always say the police on me, and you know that just got the ship even more crazy and stuff like that. But but but my whole thing was I had already been breaking the law, right so whatever this charge was was nothing. I was like, compared to what I was doing. I'm going to jail

for talking kids my motherfucking let's go, you know. And I had money, and I'm like Luke Bell, I mean, i knew it was a petty charge, So I'm like, you know, so that that was that. We used to run from the police a lot weak. I remember we had a big gass fight we had. We had lots

of fights out there on the road. We because when we would come to towns, they would they want to test you remember the big nigs that yoke Easy come here Easy, like they wanted to see Easy, like you know, so Easy was small, so he wouldn't want to really just I'm always like, take me to your leader type nigger. I'm six ft tall. I'm like, let's go. We can go a couple of rounds. M up in this bitch, let's go. So I never really felt I had no problem with street niggas. When I got to Detroit, I'm like,

take me to your leader. Let me see who the toughest nigg is. I'll befriend him. And I'm good. I'm not here. I'm here to entertain you anyway. I'm not your enemy. I'm not here to sell your drugs to take it block which which like you need some backstage passes and see the ball came up. Now we're good. Yeah, we're good. Good, Now I got security. You know. That's how I played it everywhere. And it's like quick said,

quick said everywhere. It's like remember the joint if you're smart, if you know, I mean the same thing you're do in prison. Like ship. Just so before we get into that, how did I iced t wind up in the army. I got in the army because when I was in high school, I got my girlfriend pregnant. I was I just got out of high school, and uh, I graduated early. I was a student. I was on the honor roll all that ship. I graduated twenty week report card. I was out. I had all my credits and I started

trade technical college. I wanted to do by I can paint cars, I can do all kinds of body and fender and all that kind of ship. That was what I thought I was gonna do, the pixelow Riders. I was into cars. I always been in the cars. And I got my girl pregnant because I didn't really know how easy was to get a girl pregnant. You know. I was just like a young girl, was not stopped. I wasn't getting that much pussy up to that point. Wasn't know. So I got a pregnant and I was

like fox, and now I got a baby coming. And I'm a small time hustler, you know, doing small bullshit, you know, stealing car radios, nothing, drugs, didn't coming to nothing that nothing had come up that was gonna make me rich. And I was also very athletic. I was in gymnastics in high school. I was doing you know, parallel bars, crunch y'all, high scuct Yeah, so I was strong.

I was very strong. So I I They had an enlisting office on crunch yall, and I just walked in there and I was like, you know, I got to get out of the game because I got a kid. And so I went in there and I just basically was picking uniforms. I was like, well, what's that, nigga, that's infantry. You get twenty five hundred dollar bonus. I'm like, word okay. And he said that red beret, that's airborne, you get another hundred. I was like, but I can't come home in the Red Bay. You didn't I couldn't

wear no red I was like yo. So then I said the next one was the black bearret, which was the Rangers. I like that because I was like the Black Panthers, right, and then the next one was Special Forces to Green Bret. But that was fifty two weeks of basic or a I T. So he was about to join the army and they tried to offer you ahead to when I when I went in here, when well, when I went in there, I was picking uniforms. I

just was like, what am I gonna look like? And then it's like, well, this is regular infantry, this this, uh this right here. If you go you know, airborne, you get to wear a red beret. And I was like, I can't come home the Red beret. You did what I'm saying. I was like, I can't come to my neighborhood. Okay, yeah, so that's what it was. So then I had a black beret and Green beret, so I picked the black beret. And uh, basically, it's just a bunch of train and

bunch of athletic ship. If you long as you have a good cardio, you could do it, you know, but you just gotta be disciplined. You gotta get used to people yelling in your face and kind of humble. Rangers is kind of tough. Yeah, yeah, well, you know, if he was an armed you know, it's specimental ship. They're gonna yell at you. They're gonna try to funk you up mentally. But then you gotta, you know, you deal with how did you how did how did you did

you do? Accept the discipline they so you know the you know, like in that movie Officer and a gentleman with a man said, why are you here? He says, I ain't got nowhere else to go. That's the only way you're gonna make it through that training. And you have to believe you have no options. You can't. It's not something you just say, I just think I wanted you.

You gotta be like, what if my other option? I gotta do this, and so, you know, the training was exciting to me, and the athletic part was exciting to me. The discipline stuff, I realized they was trying to mind for me. So I've worked against that and I just knocked it out. But you know, somebody cool, It's just some Do you feel that any of those skills you learned in the military helped you when I started robbing banks? Yeah?

When I started up? Yeah, yeah, Well when I came home the tussle water from my there from the service, because I went to the Service right out of high school. Service and country. Did you started robbing country? Well, it was my country driving. Hello, Yo, you're live on the podcast with Iced Tea. It's cop. Yeah, what's up? What's up? Component I asked about you? Yeah, I told him. Hey, listen, Hey, listen, listen, listen. Hello, Are you're gonna be around? I'm gonna be here. This

conversation might go all night, you know. Well, they're going in. We're just getting halfway at the halfway point. Baby, Well, were you at man? Hey, I'm closed, I'm not far. I'm not far he knows his birthday, Happy birthday, every celebration birthday. All right here, I'll leave you going for this this interview, yse team, we'll hit you back a yel with the you you a one off. That's funny. Wh niggas be on the talking on the phone and maybe with our kids. I don't know. Said talk that

ship way better than you. Hear what I said. When niggas be on the phone and maybe wi our kids out of I take the fence, talk that ship way better. Better they break that ship down. Say it's better talk regular if you're not doing that much because the fence. But whatever, Oh my god, oh my god, hold on, that was the yem. That was the straight fucker. Just now, that's not good, Chap. I didn't I thought, I thought. I thought you helped me out. I think my print

that both for no reason. So what we were talking about, I'm sorry, talking about robbing ship the bank robbers at my bank robbery this two ways the bank after trying to do it right. Come just so you know, I t we praised foul niggers and allay the drink. All right, yourself, you're like the foul nigger president. You got out of the harmy to do the right thing. But now when I got home. When I when I left, my my niggas was small time criminals. When I came home, they

had elevated their games. So I'm like, so what are y'all doing? They said, we robbed jewelry stores, were getting check cash from boots, We're getting credit unions, you know, occasional banks. You know what I'm saying. That's like that like the bank. So I was like, so, what what's to get down? I do to the fact I had all that military training, I was able to up the game up and I told him, you know, basically any operation deals with intelligence. The more you know about the mark,

the better. So I added that to the game, like lots of heavy duty case and lots of understanding what the alarms and the response times was and stuff. So you know, I mean, there's lots of ways of doing it. There's there's what's called like what jewelry. There's just basic snatch and grab where you just walk in and get watch and run. There's basically the bash where you knock out the glass and stuff. Then you've got the burglary, which is the four or five nine but if you're

going for the safe. Now, see I could give up some game I got. Well, if you want to hit it, if I fuck it, it wasn't a burglary. If you're gonna rob a jury store, Robert, at the time it opens or the time it closes, why why because it's

safe so right in the morning. So what you wanna do is you want to get there right when they let pulling the ship out of the safe, right when they're pulling that That was when So once when you see a jury store at night, when they close that door at the last minute, and they started, and if you really wanted time and let them lay the plaques up, let them get everything out up out of the wind. Don't let them do it for you so that everything is stacked right before it's getting ready going to say,

that's when you want to hit them. And then you know we're not gonna give you the step by step details. And also bottom line is anything you do, you got to do it backwards, so it's not as it's not as important. Where the lick is is where you're gonna escape too, and that has to be like a maze of how you're gonna get away. A lot of you don't just do it and then say, now where do we run this? All that is all thought out one way, whether you know we use motorcycles on one way streets,

I could, I could take a motorcycle. I can hit the jewelry district over here and put a bike and all all I'm gonna do is hit one way streets backwards, right, so they can't get But then do they got helicopters under the ground, Like if you know the best way to get away from a high speed chases take them into a parking structure, not out on the street. Of parking structure where now the cops gotta stay outside. They can only come in one Then you can ditch the

car and you can go through the steps. And yeah, so all this stuff is ship I did for years anyway, and and and you're gonna end up getting killed or murdered at some point because but yeah, I done it, and uh whatever, bankrop bankropt rest anybody. But the thing of it is, most of the times just two ways. You rabbit bank, you play a note, you play a teller, you go for the vault. What you saw in the heat is a takeover roeri where they would take the

whole vaull that. That's a lot of exposure. I was. I was around cast and went in the vault and stuff like that. But you gotta you're gonna be in there a long time. You know. Most times people just walk up and play the note and just get the one teller or as you said, a note. How did you do the note? You just walk up and you just said I got a gun, give me the money, and then just hand you the mother for the money.

That's called playing a note. That's an easy that's the these way say it doesn't matter the thing that well, that's that's that's those are impacts and stuff. They still got them. Yeah, I'm yeah, but you know what, at the end of the day, I feel very uncomfortable talking about this stuff. You know, well the thing of it is like and also I also like a lot of my friends are still incarcerated, so you know, from day and they're saying they didn't do it. Yeah I am

saying we did it. You know that's not good, but but you know it's it was. It was a time and um, you know, uh, when I got that chance to wrap I jumped in it. I didn't you know, because I knew my days was numbered in low digits. I knew that that wasn't gonna last. When you're hustling like that, you make a lot of money, didn't you spend it? You make a lot of money, didn't you spend it? You know, you're up and down. You those are licks, you know, and you make it and you

spend it, and it wasn't you know. I don't. I didn't see a long life like that. So when the rapping came along, I was like, damn, you know I could do this. And then I tried to rap like New York and the niggas was like, rap about what we do. And then we invent what we call the crime ryme Ryan based around that, and I got archives and archives of that ship. So I started making stories. And the stories, like I call it faction, So it's it's factual occurrences put into a fictional scenario. So things

I'm saying, did that happen? Did that? Yeah? Really that happened, couldn't And I combine them so the story sounds really real because the ship really happened, but just not in that particular order. Now does that make any sense? He briefly mentioned I think it's we need to talk about a bit more rhyme syndicate, which might be one of

the first cruise of hip hop. Maybe b DP and rhyme syndicates ron the same era, and who the members of nevertheless House of Pain, you know, House of Pain ever last, Yes, Um, what happened was, you know, when I was trying to when I decided I wanted to rap, I had to kind of like leave my crime friends a loan and get with these rap niggers, right something, with all these different rap people, and I would seem like I was gonna make it first. So I said to homies, I said, if I make it, I'm gonna

try to help y'all. So I was reading up. I'm an avid reader, so I was reading it. You know, Lucky Luciano. It started this thing called the Commission, where it was a group of groups with one one common goal. A syndicate is an organization with a group of groups of one common goal. So basically, we're not I'm not the boss, you're the boss. You're the boss. You're the

boss of your own organization network. But we agreed to sit down and talk before we fight, right, So that's what the Syndicate is, so I wasn't I. I just brought groups in. It's kind of like the West Coast Zulu Nation really kind of like. But I knew l A wasn't really gonna ride with the Afro century ship. There was two gangsters. So I created a term called the Syndicate and we had Low Profile was in it, which was dubbed c of course when we had when

we had Muggs. Muggs was in the group called seven eight three. At the time he was a DJ and of course Everlast, divine styler Donald d Uh from the bronx Um where was ever less from where ever Last from l A. He was like from the valley and he had the hair at the time. Remember when he came. He was brought to me by a guy named Balad to Sheer and Everlast first sounding like rock Kim when

I heard him, he was rapping. Now new rappers were wrapping someone else's voice, and I'm like, A right, right, you know yeah, And I'm like, you sound dope, but you got to use your own voice, you know. And so once he found his own voice, he started to wrapping stuff. But it was just my way of I got everlast a record deal. I got Divine Stylar record deal. I did a compilation album. It was just a way of me trying to help West Coast nigga, you know, and and try to create peace versus more which is

not profitable. Education. Welcome to play a new podcast network featuring radio and TV personalities talking business, sports, tech, entertainment and more. Play it at play dot It. We're back to drink Champs Radio with rapper and R and d J. Then so now New Jack which is New York City Classic, but that is so disrespectful hip hop classic man relaxed, because that's how that's how much of vision Jack City leads to me. New Jack Cities not only a New York class. It's not only a hip hop class. It's

not only it's a worldwide class cinematic. But I need to know you as being the most gangster risk gangster. You you you you had the sixties on your back when it wasn't cool to say the sixties. You had the cript ship on your back when it wasn't cool to say the cript ship. You had the gang ship on your back when it wasn't cool to say the ship.

And now you get presented with this role as a cop cop it's a joint court New Jack City, and they're saying that it's based on this guy was just not Nino Brown, because Nino Brown is a fatitition based on some cats from Vague from from um New York City and also somebody from the Bay from Frisco Brothers or something like that. I thought my brothers from New York. I met the actual guy that said he wasn't told me wait wait, wait, okay money Brothers. Yeah, I got that,

you're right, but how does they even approach you? Okay? So what happened with New Jack City was they wanted to make this movie and they had they had written the movie, and they didn't know who they were going to get. And at the time it was just not there just wasn't a lot of black actors. Now there's hundreds of black hackers. But at the time, Wesley Snipes had only done Major League. He was you know, he loved right, but that was he wasn't a big known actor.

So Um, George Jackson and Dougman Henry, the the producers, they just had a brain from they said, let's just take people from pop culture. Ice is selling millions of records. He's a little, you know, kind of little pro protest pro that Let's get him. Let's get Chris Rock. He's the most grimy new solely, this took all the people that they knew they were hot and different, and so let's make a lot of us never knew who Chris Rock was. Let's let's describe. Let's see if they can act.

So I'm in a club and Mario van people who was in the club and us, he says to me, he heard me and throw it off the roof. All right, he said he heard me in the toilet. I was talking ship to somebody in the bathroom and the toilet I was in the bathroom and I was on my ship. I was like saying, I say that. I said, yeah, nigger, if the motherfucker's could get a microscope and find one molecule and me that gave a fun, then they could angle me. But they can't angle me because it's not

a molecule there that gives a fuck. So he said, whoever said that's gonna be the star in my movie. Right. So I was on this on my ice t ship. So I'm out there and now now I'm parlaying with three females talking my bullshit, you know, try and sell him a dream. So I'm in the middle of it and that he walks over says a ice, would you like to be in a movie? Something like Hollywood bullshit like Mario Mario. I'm like, Hollywood bullshit. You just people

who don't know Mario around people's that was the main cop. Yeah. Yeah, and his father was in Sweet Sweet Back, badass song. He's achieved Melvin Van Peoples. So he hits me with this bullshit about being in the movie, something like nigger, You're just trying to talk to these girls, like you know, so I introduced them to the females. He's like, serious, show up at Warner Brothers tomorrow. We got this. So we changed numbers and you were already on Warner Brothers

as a record. La. Everything revolves around Warner Brothers at the time. So I show up at this thing and I look at the script. I'm expecting I'm gonna get four or five lines. I read Scotty's part. I'm like, yo, this is the whole movie. Soun like really like I'm not actors that you can do it like this thinger got dreads like I gotta like like and they were like, and he's a cop. I'm like, yeah, I don't know. I don't know. So I got home, I started talking

to people, you know, I talked to my boys. I'm like, yo, they want me to play a police in the movie. Then what you think? Could I be in the movie? Ye? Yeah, nig from jail was calling me. I'm like, yo, yeah, blah, yeah, yeah, we sent the package and all that, but yeah, you know, I know, even the bows of the devil, I understand that. Then they wanted to play the police. Right now, what do you feel about that? In the movie? Word? If

I was out, could I be in the movie? So no one was saying no. Everybody was like, nigger, that's an opportunity positive. And then then the girls where I used to get my hair did? I used to get my hair done twice? A wee guy had my ship permed up, you know, more wavy than the ships in the navy. He knows, you know, we got to keep the shop and staking nice up. In this bit. What I'm saying, I got our match. A motherfucking woman. She

can understand what I'm saying. So I'm shot. So I was sharp, and the girls at the beauty parlor, they was like, no, I'm from the hood. I called the beauty parlor. I'm not no fucking salon. It was like I said, they wanted me to pill the police. They're like, you gotta do it, nigga, because you're gonna be one of the real niggas. And when you get over, you ain't gonna forget the hood, and you're gonna tell everybody

what the fuss going on, nigga. And if you don't do this movie, don't come back up in this motherfucker right. So the sisters sent me out on that mission and I did the movie. I was shifting, nervous, But now that they know this, this this story took place in New York, didn't matter. It was just an opportunity. Opportunity, you know, Nory, I believe this man. We come from a background with no opportunities, and we always are, you know, upset about that. When you get an opportunity and you

don't take it, then you're a real live sucker. You know what I'm saying. You're a real live sucker because you're being you're bitching about it, and now you get it and you don't take it, and you gotta put the jets on when you get that opportunity, because you don't get you don't get it. So I got that opportunity, so we took it. I went and I tried my best to do the movie. I was nervous. This is at the same time Original Gangster came out. This is my biggest album. I was platinum. I was like, yo,

like IM fuck this all off. But then you're not telling me you had a choice between going on to your album and do new Jackson was on tour at the time, but my album was hot, so I I knew jack City was can I risk this and then up my records? My record is hot? But but now, when you got the script, did they tell you the actors that was attached to it? They didn't. I didn't care about and I had a record Original Gangs that that was the last and ruined everything I got going

and what my niggas accept me. I was worried. You know. I've always been more concerned with my friends, my close friends, whether they're in prison or home. That's been my thermometer on what if I'm doing what's right. I gotta keep their respect and my my niggas is straight niggas, and they loved the order. But I'm telling you, my I ain't corny nigga. They told me, Yo, the hustle is supposed to get the money by any means, by the path of least resistance, and and television has a lot

less resistance than twenty five life nigga. So you do the right thing. Get that paper right, stop playing. Do your numbers? They so so now I'm where it was on New Jackson, New jack City. You were contemplating whether I was trying to play, whether to do it. I was struggling, But I did the damn movie and it was successful, and I was scared. Like they said, we're gonna put dreads on you because we want people not

to just see iced tea. We want them to give him a chance for you to be another character if they're so familiar with how you throw them off. I remember I went to the movies, like after three days after came out. I was sitting behind some niggas and and I heard him look at with that motherfucker head on it look crazy, motherfucker in the movie, you ain't let people yelling because I'm like, yeah, you get it

too right. I wanted to get a real response. And about about ten minutes into the movie, fifteen minutes I'm chasing Chris Rock, They're like, get it, Scotty. They started calling me Scotty name, and that was what it was like. But I was like, I'm pulling this ship, like they're rolling with me. Did The movie was a huge success. No negativity. Hip hop embraced me and everybody. You know, nobody even tripped off the cop thing. That was like, you acting, that's the job. And I've been rolling like

that ever since, you know, like acting. So that was your first movie role that you fell in love with. On the first movie, I actually got to speak, you know, I was. I was in those other movies breaking back in the day. I was a feature rap talker. But then you then you get the call about to do a movie with Denzel Elliot Wilson uh stambul in New York. But you get the call that was my next movie, the Denzel movie. Yeah, from Joel Silver, one of the

biggest producers in the history. He does Matrix. What was the name of this movie, Ricky Sha was with Denzel and because because this is the crazy Denzel is not Denzel's He's dead. He ain't got the zell yet. It just didn't. Yeah, and you do this movie, did you know that this motherfucker is going to be the illest actor in the world? And didn't? And when did you that? I knew he was? I mean to me, Denzel was

heard Denzel prior to that. But I just knew Denzel watching it was the big was the biggest actor I ever worked with, you know. I remember I was just working with this new people. I'm working with Nelson on that. Denzel, well, I knew Jenn so I watched it was I was because Wesley wasn't really big. When women were loving Denzel, that's that was his ship. He was the pill. He's like billyde Williams. Yeah, yeah, he was. So when I met Denzel, he just he came down to my level.

He was like, look, man, I've been on television, I did this, and I'm just here and we're just getting ready to go do this and I rever forget. I was in the first scene with him, and uh, you know, these really good actors they'll laugh and joke and they go action and they're bam, they'll hit their character. Method acting No, that's not method. Method acting is women at

their dickheads. Yeah. I was on the upset with a method actor and I called him his real name, and I'm Joe, like like when it's crazy, they won't person, they won't break. They're playing a drug addict. They're gonna go out and sleep with real drug addicts and come to work dirty and all that bull That acting is lying. Acting is line Like if I if I said the next person who comes in the door, make him convince him you're my manager, that's acting, right. So they said

where you learn how to act? I'm like, stand in front of a josh. I mean, Denzel was talking and he was joking and then they said action and then they get jumped into character on me and I flopped my line and they did like this. He was like, come on, nice, what's it? And I was like, oh, that's how we're getting down, huh. Like he's shown me like come on, like we can we joke. I'm gonna

hit my line. That's when I was like, I want to learn, just like that on Tom q um the But that's when I my first chance learning somebody who could you know when actors do that and that Zel. It's almost like they're going through their legs with the ball they're playing with you. They're like Ida already actually pam and then hit and then they'll come out of and telling other jokes. You're like, WHOA some dope ship

right there? You know what I'm saying. So I always wanted to learn how to act like him, and uh, you know that. But Denzel wasn't like he wasn't the Oscar Award winning that that two or to a bum nigger like me he was. I was like nobody in the world. I was a rapper. Like, how the hell am I even on screen with Denzel Washington? Really? You know? So I'm one of my keys is humility and kick y'all out the whole this whole Yeah, that should be smoking ship niggas just hitting the wax and relax. I

got to pay for this, you know. I didn't get any money for that, Like New Jack City, I didn't get I got won whey six thousand dollars New Jack and get roy eighty million, eighty million bucks probably a hundred million by now know, no royalties. I got paid scale my first movie, And that's just how it goes. But that's yeah, nothing, and that's not that's nothing. That's just how the game is. But it's what it took him to the next level. Yeah, you can't. How do

you negotiate? You have no leverage. Who are you that get another nigger? They get motherfucking a kick That put Chuck in a fucking wig. I know he was in there and there rapping. You know, I knew everybody knew I that replace you. So so so after that, when I went to go see Joe Silver, I thought's gonna get paid. So I walked there, I'm like, yeah, well, you know, the last movie, you know made a lot of money. You know what I'm saying. I know I'm about to get paid. Now he goes iced tea, You've

done one movie. Stuck it to me again. So that movie I got like forty eight for less work. I didn't get any money in movies until I did TANKERL While I played the Kangaroo, I didn't even hear a tanker. What is this movie? A movie called tank Girl with Lori Petty and I played U. I played listen I'm doing I'm I'm making a movie with Keiana Reeves called Johnny Neumannic. Come in Canada. So I get a call from my manager said, will you play a stripper in Arizona?

I said, you motherfucking right, I'll play a stripper in Arizona. So that night I did like two thousand set ups. I'm like, I'm gonna be right to get my sex sing going. So the next day they sent me a picture of this kangaroo and it was like, uh, I was like, what am I stripper as a kangaroo? They don't know you're a ripper. Not a ripper. A ripper is a mutated person. I'm like, what's the of the movie? That's the movie's Tanker? That she sounds so generic. I

was like, yo, am I not with Kiana Reeves? Didn't need it? I mean, what the fund is going on? And they told me how much money I was getting. I was like, I've learned the bunnyhop. Now that was my first I gotta I gotta nion dollars and you ain't never seen it. I was like, oh yeah, if you google you tanker right now, I look crazy right hit. It's like it's like a mutated because he called a mutated person, it's like si, yeah, like a fight over water and tank Girl iced tea. You're gonna see a

picture of me. Okay, So while we plug up, I want to respect my brother, Charlie. Charlie's brother for twenty years, and he dove right into you. Look at this, Look at this picture. Just come, we're gonna see that's me. You got a million for that. Yeah, twenty two days, twenty two days in that ship? That cr is that? No, that's that's Stan. That's Stan Winston. That's five piece applications. That's all same. That's crazy. You gotta put it on the cameras movie got so now, yeah that was Tanker.

So that was you know, and and the thing of it was And now I'm at this point where I'm just taking jobs and I'm rolling with it and they're coming in so I'm like, shoot, you know, I'm trying to make money. Now, fine, so now you consider the act, you consider the actor. Yeah, you're killing every role you get. Then cs I come see Law Order. That's the same ship to me. I'm so sorry that everyone can do that. No sound y'all take a shot every time we say life. Yeah,

if you if you're watching it, take a shot. Listen. So Lord order Doom Doom Doom Doom that the sound tracker. They come to you and they say, what do they say? Okay, little pre pre story died at my first time working with Dick Wolf Fools, the executive producers. That is in New York Undercover YEA makes it. Actually I was at I was at my house in l A. Hold on, hold on, hold on, Benzino, come on, what's wrong with you? What's you don't even want to answer for that? Buttery fingers?

You got buttery fingers? Yo, ben Zino? You live on the podcast zero? What we hear? What I iced tea? What's up? Zino? What's happening? Baby tea? What's good man? You're in New York? Yeah? I we have five forty one Lexington. I'm the w Hotel. Come through. Okay cool? You know my last name? Right? I don't see how het treat me. So New York got under Cover. I was with Fab five Freddy in my house. You want New York to cover as well? I was on three times. I played a guy named Danny Yup and uh um.

Andre Herrell was talking to Fab five Freddie. Fab five was like, I'm at iced tea s crip? He said, put iced tea on the phone. He's like, yeah, you gotta come on my show, New York under Cover. Andre was part of that. I'm like, I told him that's a rip off of New Jack City, you know New York Undercover. I said, you I never thought, yeah, what's that? Too young? I didn't know that. That's why I'm here to clarify the ship clarify. So so anyway, he's like, yeah,

we'll come on the show. And I'm like, all right, you know I'm doing movies now, nigger. And then he was like, oh right, you too big? Now you know how they do that. Like, I was like, all right, we'll give me a bad guy role and I'll play it because I've been playing Polio. I said, give me a bad guy role. So there was this role called Danny LP. I played it. I get a call from Dick Old Things that we don't want to kill you at the end of the episode where you do more,

and I fought with him. We renegotiate that got a better room, move me from a bullshit hotel to the four seasons. I did two more episode I shot, I shot Maliko Malik Yoba's girl and I just wild out. So after I did that show. I did a show for him called Swift Justice. I played a bad guy. I did Law and Order. I played the pin that killed me with a bowling pin. Then I had a show called Players on TV that was my own show

with constus man Lauren Frank Hughes. Okay, when those shows were over, Dick Wolf, he says, I wish I had a stronger vehicle for you, right, I mean, you got it. But so I'm like cool. So I was back in l A doing my business, doing my ship, trying to create iTunes. I was trying to create MP three bass that we could put rap music on and people could get it go straight to MP three. Niggas was looking at me like what is MP three? Niggas was like

that will never work. Never never work. Niggas ain't getting rid of the CDs. So I'm like, no, it's a digital. I was like this before Naster after that. It was during the time Napster was doing it. But my thing was, I will take your album. I would digitally. I was going to create iTunes. I would take your album. I would put it onto a website where we would download

it for money, just side it tunes. Before it tunes where I would I was, and I was gonna and not only that, I was gonna do it regionally where there be a map what the fun man put on speaking, put on speaking, He let's look at so let him right? Really yes, So, so my thing was it had a regional map, so if you could go to like, if you want to Pennsylvania, it would show all the rappers from Pennsylvania. So it would break it down regionally because I knew hip hop was regional, so you could do it.

But anyway, that was I was creating when I got the call to dude Spu and uh, I said no, okay, I said no because I had fifteen employees, I had a data basis, I had servers. I was trying to go and then my boy, we had a little problem in l A where one of my buddies has set me up to get robbed. Yeah, what's his name? Right now there's no longer with yeah, so so, but basically one of my friends who I looked out time through prison, he sent some people up to my office and it

was a robbery who took place. So everybody finally figured it out and it was a little hostile moment everybody was worrying about what's going on. And then then we figured out who did it, and it was tension, you know, tension and ship. You know, my daughter was in the room. It was. It was an ugly situation. It's in my book. I wrote it in my book. So when it happened, one of my boys from sixties, when they called the Emperor, he was he with me every day. So he was like,

they offered me to do the show. He said, get out of town, man, get out of town. You know, fuck it, it's four shows. That's what We're gonna rob you with some money here, like you know, like you know, we weren't making no money yet in the business yet. And he's like, I got this. So I came out here to do four episodes for SPU and it's been

eighteen years. But also the negative negativity is also one of the reasons they say gonna shake the New York because all this dramas going on, because you know, how hard was it to adapt to New York because right now, you like just as much as a New York Nigger than me. Well, I always love New York, I always love me. I was actually born in Newark, New Jersey. Um, my mother passed when I was in the third grade.

My father when I was in the seventh. I lived in Summit, New Jersey over there with my father, and then I left to go to l A when my father died, and I was in l A ever since my aunt his sister, so I lived out there with them and stuff. So this brought me back. Music brought me back. I was coming out here to get because to me, being a rapper, I had to get the coach sign of New York. You can't be a rapper and not have New York's co signed as far as I was concerned. But happy birth I'm gonna get up

say happy birthday. Has a good pony on right now, you have a birthday of my doing. I'm gonna take the poem phone has my brother. You were like hand for through my life story. Here these guys and no stunt on turn. But that's good, that's good. I mean, it's better for it to come from my mouth to somebody outside. Continue please making that bullshit freak. So when you moved to l A, Yeah, yeah, so that that was. That was when I moved to Cali with my aunt.

And you've directly to where lived in Cali. Well not or not I was living when I moved out there. I was living in an area called Viewpark, which is above crunch Shaw and Vernon. It's like a nice of me is up in the hills, and I used to I got bus to a white junior high school called like you kind of situation. He was in Palms Junior High School. Crunshaw High School was right down the street. So when I got to high school, I said, I

ain't catching the bus. And that's when I walked into the shore and uh, that's what I say in original Gangster how I was introduced to the gangs, and I did a song because that's how I'm living. I said, you know, I was born in New Jersey. I said it before, but I guess nobody heard me. My mother died young, no sisters of brothers. I was her only son when I was young. My pops died too. What's the nigga supposed to do? They sent me out west to live with my aunt. I guess they thought that

was the best. But there was no love there, and growing with no moms, I guess I was prepared to live in a vacuum the bedroom to catch it in the hall of the bathroom. I didn't leave home much. I didn't like l A. I didn't have no friends to trust. I got bus to a school blacks and whites. I guess the ship was cool, but by high school I changed. I didn't want to bust. I didn't want to play the game. I walked to Crunshaw. HI ship

was fly. I hooked up with a new crew, some niggas that I knew, act like they knew what the fund to do. Now you may call it a gang, but we call it a set, and it was our own thing. The whole school was down, and one way or another, everybody fucked around. Where the hardcore or not? You wore the right color? Yeah, scot shot So yeah, that's how I ended up out there. So anyway, yeah, I ended up on SVU eighteen years and uh bless. It was a very you know, the negative situation along

with my buddy's insight. It's just what do you think about Dave Chappelle when he made the skin about that. Dave Chappelle's a genius. It's it's gonna be hard to find somebody as funny as Dave Chappelle. Like every once in a while, a comic genius comes out, like I lived through Richard Pryor and Eddie Murphy. But Dave chappellea just hits comedy from some other angle that niggas ain't ain't.

It's just abnormal. Like, you know, I'm a fan of everybody, you know, I was just you know, I love everybody. I was asked with Kevin Hart the other day, but Dave Chappelle, Kevin Hard, if you don't bring your monkey ass on here, Yeah, Kevin Marks cool, Kevin's Chappelle, Kevin Chris Rock, all that, But bro Dave's comedy is it's different. Dave's natural. You know what I'm saying. You don't try to It's something different though when he and he, I mean we did the player Haters ball. He doesn't give

a fuck who write that ship. But Nancy, I'm gonna go home and put some more milk in your mama's bowl, like you right, ship? Like what was the event? Actually? I spun at the event in Miami? I think was the player the pall in Miami at Luke's Club. That was the Player's ball. Probably I was DJ and I have a picture and you're like right next to me and told me you wanted to run and you're like play shook one's part too. Oh yeah, I rhymed in that spot. Yeah I was the one spending. Yeah, yeah,

I remember that. I have a picture. Okay, that's what's up. I don't have it all a real picture. I think me and Koko were in there that night. This is what I was gonna go before we go there. I I'm I probably think You're probably the first rap album I might have ever jerked off. It was the cover. It was a jail the same time that was Power jerked off the cover cover brother, Well you know what it was. It was It was just like nobody was

doing it. Nobody was connecting sex, you know, the guns and all that, and I was like, this is part of it. Luke did it, but he didn't do it like he did to Gate somewhere. He did. He did it and like that was artistic actually the way you did when we did the front of the back, Well, that was the second album I did it on. Ryan Pays Darling was in the car with us, like in a bathing suit and me and Evil were in a Porsche.

We had a palm tree and we were trying Glenn Friedman shot that and we were trying to say this is Calie. We wanted that to say California. When the time I did the Power album cover, I was dealing with power, like the three the three levels of power. One is sex. That's the biggest power, right, so you see her. The next power is weapons, uh, sex, money and guns until you see the weapons. And then the next power is deception. And when you turn it over

you see me and Evil were strapped. So I feel deception is the ultimate power because you never know who's giving it to you. You know, you, I think you fired me, but really he called the shot. He walked away. So people that work in that realm of deception and and and that's a that's the awesome business. You don't know where the shot from. And that's the scarier power, you know. So that's what I was dealing with on the album cover. Of course, Darlene looked incredible at the

time and keep saying Darlene, but we don't know. Darlene was was my that's my son's mother. No, I've never been married before, but that was my son's mother at the time. And you know, me and her still got a good relationship. I think, yeah, but she out right but big of your son, Yeah, just smo. But she You know, at the time I was, I was in a world where I thought I thought you had to be real. I thought you couldn't lie. So I didn't know you could wear other people's jurlry. I didn't know

you could say. I didn't know you could have a girl on your album covered it wasn't your girl. I didn't notice that everything I had to shoot in my own house I had to. I didn't know that that were your guns. Oh that's what I said, gets to my promo shot props, you know. So I didn't think that was okay, and you know I was. I ran my career. I ran my career based on those principles. If you know I said, I don't what I said. I don't rap about Gats, ain't got Jose, ain't caught

you know guns, I ain't shot it game. To me, it's too fucking deep. If I did, honestly believe, I dye in my sleep. If I don't have it, I'm a rap about not having it right now. You know, until I get it, it's a duck down. We will do down, shorty come back. Yeah, that's my guy. Yeah, let me let me just tell you somebody's tea. At the end of the day. Me and Capone we met in jail. We never ever ever in jail say we're gonna come home and rap, right, Me and this found

nigger and I'm a found nigger to him. My brother though, my brother. But we came home. We was in jail, in jail saying we're gonna flip from cocaine. We come home. Absolutely. I came home and Compon was rapping and I was just like, I was like what And I was rapping too in jail. But we ain't never really share raps. So we had this whole altitude we we we had embarked on. But and this is the reason why I named gangster rap all reality rapping. If it wasn't for you,

they probably wouldn't be us. And that's real ship because when I look at the history and sometimes like I could google something, I hate googling because I like to remember from what and the first original person that ever spit reality rap, gangster rap, whatever it is is you. Thank you, and we all oh you, not just we didn't know how to be fake either though. Yeah, that's the thing. That's the same. We didn't know that, That's what I don't care. We didn't know you could do

a photo shoot and have a fake gun. You did a photo shoot for the Vibe a real gun and it went on and it went off, and it went off. But I don't understand. I don't for this one. I don't understand how people can get on Instagram and all that and lie and talk about ship but then all their friends see it and they know it's not real, but their friends let them do it. Sort of friends fake too. They're going along with this. They checked by the lights. If the lights are there, that's the reality.

But you gotta have balls to do that. Actually, me to put a picture up and me saying this is my house and niggas know that. What kind of person is that? You got Instagram police? That's catching motherfucker's too. Yeah, I'm talking about your friends. I'm talking about your friends. Like I was held accountable for every lyric, every rhyme like Ice. You know, come on, Ice, nigga, yo, what you know? I had to make sure I stayed within the lines because my niggas wouldn't laugh me out of town.

They be like, come on, Ice, you know, and my homie said, Ice, you don't never have to lie because you live such an incredible life. You don't have to it, just within it. If you don't, you know, people ain't gonna believe most of the stories. I tell I need a nigga right here, just the co sign half and ship you know, so people, but I don't get it now. I just look at people. But now I would like to ask you hip hop, Now, what is your what

is what is Ice fellas on hip hop? I just don't think it's held to the same same rules or same standards. When I got in hip hop, gang banging isn't health of the same standards as is when you saw nothing but but but But. I think when I got into rap, I understood. You know, people that brought me in mail and everybody the cheese to me, they said hip hop requires skill. That's what I did in the are to wrap my movie. I said, it requires skill. You have to be have skill to be a breaker,

a skill to be a rapper, skill to be a DJ. Right, once you lower the bar to where there's no skill, it's long longer an art form. It's yeah. So I came in when niggas will call you whack and you had to take it like you act, or you had to get better. You try to get better. It's now to me, it's kind of like dance music. It's kind of like disco. It's just beats and the productions, some of the some of the production. It's definitely I mean,

I'm being honest. I'm being honest. I'm being honest. If I can go into a club, I can go into a club and listen to trap beats all night long and I'm rocking. I mean, that's the sonic. The sound production is every thing but the lyrical content. Everybody starts it's calling me Jack Trueller. You live on the podcast for Iced Tea and John May get out of here. You know what the fool is Iced Tea. I'm what I'm Jackie. I'm a really big fan man. I was

with Jack and the Bronze. You know where you at? Hey, Ali, Ali, Ali know the adrels come through and we're about to come up with it right now. Alright, alright, alright, alright, bring some f and vodka. Goddamn it too. I make niggi's turn off thick phones when they're in my house. Now you know what, you know what? Let me tell you somebody, they don't accumulate more. I haven't said this the whole interview. And one thing, one thing, one thing

that I have to say to you. It's ice. Although I give the same love that you give to me to younger artists, but you not have ever been obligated to give me any love that you always gave because I'm a fan. But it's real though I'm not, I'm not, I'm not an Let me let me keep let me keep bigging you like who ain't. Let me keep bigging you up because you've always had our back from the beginning, like you're one of them guys. Listen, you're one of them guys that I know. I call and I know

you're gonna respond. I know you're gonna be and you know, I always haven't been able to to do what I gotta do. But when I've been at the lowest, the medium, the highest always been in my corner. Because real niggas ain't want to show up at the party. Niggas, real niggas meet you in the parking lot in the rain with the pistol again. We get it again, and I want to thank you. I want to thank you. We're gonna ask my soldier boy hold on, but before before I get to the soldier boy, because I want to

know who you got in the fight. But before that, clown asked Sniggs. Before that, I was like, well, you didn't let me finish. Okay, you didn't let me finish. I was, I was. I was saying. The music now, sonically is incredible, but it's I understood feel it's lacking the lyrical content. I think that they're wrapping. They're wrapping fast and wrapping stuff. But I'm not taking nothing from it. I'm not Now. I listen to J Cole on the other day. He has a record and I was like,

and that's the only thing. I just think that although you're a star now and you're wrapping, take a minute and make a record and try to move somebody, like, try to change somebody's life with it. I understand it. I'm like, Okay, you got the baddest bitches, You got the money you high all the time. I got that, But what else is there? Anything else is there? Now? Some people there is nothing else. It's just getting money. And I grew up with cats like that. It's just

getting money. But some people got it in them to try to help and move and if that's anthing, you do it. But you change my life. I used to you changed my life. One day, somebody asked you and said, well, Ice, when you're dropping something, and you said, I don't want to drop something because everybody's dropping mixtapes for free. I don't want to spit my game for free. And that ship totally me. I would say, cute, he said, if you notice it's only East Coast niggas that do the

mixtape game for free. West Coast mixtape they dropped mixtapes, they sounded like Nipsey, like we killed people. Will sit back and saye downfall on the downfall of New York was whatever the downfall of New York was. We downgrade so many people. And I said that one day and nobody paid attention. But there was a website called daft Pith okay right, we put out a thing called the Anti Mix Tape Day would up in twenty free mixtapes a day on that website. Yeah it was. It was like, yo,

this is so deluded. Now there's no value down labels and suing them for that. But still it's like, yo, man, I mean like, if this is your business, then you gotta hold and you gotta take its content. You can't just give it away. I never threw out a free mixtapes. It's ridiculous. It's like, what are you doing, especially somebody like you was already known. I mean, if you knew, you might have to mixtape with but I don't. I don't don't. And then how did the producers get paid

when you're giving away nobody? You just doreat yourself in the same person that didn't put half the work you put in the game. Put yourself on the same level as then when you have a mixtape. But that's why you gotta have producers that's lawyer like hazard. It sounds sp K, scram Jones, incredible cuts. You know, people like that, because because I'm not getting no money over this, there don't work either. So you gotta have people that it's willing to take that rest with you. But mind you this,

it's compone. When you said that ice change my mind on from Queensbridge. Yeah, you don't stop that queens And why does your vapor smell like room Boss? My va smells good. It smells it smells like old Span is pussy. I'm just keeping it real. It's like it's just like some nice smells fans. But he knows my ship is crazy. Span is good your ice. You can text me the picture when you walk it. Please? What is it? That's it's zy? Just a shirt to be honest, interview with

you is so perfect give weight right now. Welcome to play a new podcast network featuring radio and TV personalities talking business, sports, tech, entertainment, and more. Play it at play dot It. We're back to Drink Champs Radio with Rapper and R and d J. Then, you know, I just can't thank you enough because I know you humble, and you and and hey, but what keep going? Man? Keep going? You saw him and I just want to thank you because you know why I and I know

you don't give a fuck. I know you're a real nigga, but you know what I feel is real niggers should be saluted nowadays. At the end of the day, fake niggas had their time and that's the reason why me and my partner right here started this podcast. But you can feel it is we want to. If you notice we've never interviewed not one new guy, and if you interview the new Guy. He came with an old and only this is the only generation in the world that when you become old they kick you out first. That

you can still do it Jazz, you can still do it. Uh, southup my ain game. You could be sixties seven pop stars getting more love for longer and the hip hop is the only thing. So you know what what me and my partners, that's why I got a rocket album now. But listen to but you ain't got to have a million. You can stick with hip hop and you know, like no, but it's real. It's the word. Sometimes you gotta you know, but this birthday you can't get back. This is what

drink Champs is. Drink chats. We want to salute all legends because there's no other platform to salute all legends. Like right now, if you say I'm gonna do the hottest podcast quote unquote, they want to They want to get jay Z, they want to get nas, they want to get Drake, they want to get all these people. That's not what we started off to do. We wanted to support our legends. You know, we meet me myself like the Raptors. I liked one of the prerequesces was

what I like to hang out with. Do you know I wanted to roll with rock Him. I wanted to hang with Big Daddy Kane. I wanted to hang around Component No yea game Ray Kwan and hang with Easy. Give us an a z story that untold. No that's easy, Easy, well, Easy game was. He always tried to tell people's fifteen you come out that I know, you don't come out just while out in the hotel room some stuff. I mean I've seen Easy. You know, the ladies that be

cleaning the thing. It's like tackle the chick like like like this is four nigs, was getting charges and stuff. They was just wilding out. But now you know, Easy was a good dude. I mean he was. He was the street member of the group. He funded that group right out. Think it's said that, Yeah, it's true. So I'll give you other people names and I just want to see you wanted to continue to Easy. Know Easy, I mean, there's not think of it as Easy. It's

passed away. So it's kind of odd to talk about him. I'm not gonna say no Wild, but I might actually a couple of people that passed, but I got wild story because you got you got story rested. Well, Jam that's something about Jack Messenger. Jay was Jay was another person who was like the most authentic like part of Run d m C. Like he was a street cat. So I would always actually like somehow they would gravitate to me and we would end up talking and stuff

like that. But Jay was a solid dude. I mean, it's amazing that no one car who killed him. That's just amazing that somebody of that caliber, that's like somebody from like the one the Super Bowl, like Tom Brady get killed. Nobody knows about it. You know, that's crazy.

And the thing, you know what's crazy. They talk about solving they talk about not solving big murder, not sov pop pop murder, but they never talked about not solving jam Mr Jay and he was just as pinnacle and jay Z. Let me tell you, jay Z, and I mean Jam mr J and Run d m Z. Remember you talk out that moment with you. That was the

moment that made me really rap. Like I went to a concert they had and they had everybody put their dads and jam mr J was on a riser and they had lasers and ship and I was just trying to wrap and I was like, yo, this ship is rocking wrong. Like yo, I like no that because we had always been doing it in the basements and the little clubs and ship and when I seen that, I think I went home that night and wrote like twenty raps Like I was like, yo, they rundy m C.

Let me understand. This was big. But it was bigger than the basement and the small clubs. Hip hop ward. Okay, so I'm going a little bit all over these Tupac I knew pop when he was in uh in Digital Underground, he was dancing, and um, is that a difference between two Digital Underground Tupac wanted. I remember we were at a Soul Train awards and it was me and Dre and we were sitting at a table and Punk walk by.

You say, d dr Dre. You just can't just say Dre, you know, yeah, as a stupid Dr Dre And and Pock walked by, and at that time he was in Tupac yet I think maybe it was a Treach or somebody, but he looked at the table and I could see he wanted to sit at the table, you know, I could see it. And then as he started to make

his move at Tupac. I remember one time cook see Pack was doing some strange things like all right, like he hooked up with the cats in in south central fifty second to five deuces, which was rated are and no no crip about kick the producer out. But Ali got a go. He cooked up with rated all and they created that thing thug Life, which was based in south central l A. Nothing homies in Jersey. No no, no, no, no no no no, I dott but I thought the third Doug Life was rated R and um and uh

mac doocious. They were out of l A, right, and then you know he evolved from that and then when he got into trouble out here, that's when Sugar came in and got him out. But I remember one time I was in l A and Pomp pulled up on me in a car with like this crazy ass chick like some like strawberry bit in the front seat. He had. Yeah, that's how I noticed, think of my brother. That's exactly what I said in my mom Strawberry is basically Bronze didn't get off for crack like it's a it's a

street thing for like a crack. Huh Okay, So this brod. I know it wasn't this woman. I'm like, what is this business? Went in the car? She already you know. But he's getting high and he had weed. He had weed, he had gun and he wanted me to sit in the car and listen to a record. I'm like, are you riding around? Like like, are you serious? Are you fucking kidding me? I'm not so you know, let me just take see. He was trying to impress you, even if he wasn't trying to press you, because every time

I hang out with you, I'm trying to impress. But he was. He scared me, so I was like like, I was like, man, this is crazy. But I'll tell you some real inside ship. He was in my house. I had a studio called the crack House, and he was at my house with the outlaws, a couple of the outlaws, and he played me hit him up and I didn't like it. And I was like, you're gonna start some you don't like it because of what he

was saying. I didn't like him starting to beef. I was like, dog, you knew where I was gonna go. I said, you going in on dude wife and all that. I was like Yo, He's like yo. Then at that time he thought Big Head shot him and I was like, Yo, whoa you can hand I wouldn't you ain't for be handling that with a record? Really? Are you? You know?

So we kind of was on bad terms that that because he wanted me to ride with him and I was like I couldn't, you know, And so that we was we was kind of like in that zone when he got killed. Was what he was saying that Was he saying that that was reality? Or was he saying, I'm just a rod record. It's a b F record. You know, he's talking about life wife, but it's a b F record. Like if you're gonna set it and you're setting it yelling West Coast, you shouldn't have set.

I knew that was gonna turn into a real you know. Yeah, you know I'm not out wrapping you. I'm threatening you. I'm talking yeah, And I'm like yo. I was like, yo, I mean you really even to go there? You know, I'm sitting back like who I'm supposed to be. I'm older, like Yo, this is this is you know? But he wanted to going like yeah, yeah, yeah, this is good ship. Let's do it say, is he saying that he smashed Faith? That's what I'm doing. But he said that he he

said it, But was he in the studio? Was he saying this is true? Wasn't. No, No, we didn't get there. I just listened to the playback and was like, dog, that's I don't know, not a good ideade too much, it's not a good idea. Plus I'm cool with New York like, yo, you remember what it was gone, but it was gonna cause a crazy and all all bullshit aside, right if you're thinking, maybe shot you while you making a record, right, Okay, So we went there. You gonna

you handle this with a record? Okay? But he wasn't ready for that, and I wasn't really trying to send him on the minute. I was just trying to get it, get it, yeah, come on man, but as yeah, yeah. But but anyway, long story short, you know, I love

Poc was a good kid. I remember one night Shot came and knocked on my door and he was like, yo, uh you need to talk to Pock And he said, you like one of the only people here listened to And he was like you you know he's gonna now you listening to me at that time, So you know, he kind of got caught in the song. See when you're when you're not in the l A gang scene and you come to l A and they embrace you. Yeah, it's it's you're not necessarily safe, you know. And it

wasn't where he was supposed to be. Like, you know, you you make records, you should be on your way out of the game. You shouldn't be making records and then going into it, you know, because you're making flyers. Like when a stream nigger has the power of an amenity. Who shot him Pooky Low? Who's Pooky Low? Nobody knows who shot him? Iced Tea, iced Ty gonna be on this flyer, He'll be right here. You know. You no longer have that ability to disappear into the hood. Niggas

could pop up on you any motherfucker where. So you gotta let that ship go. You gotta let that ship go. You're no longer in the underworld. Now you're part of the mainstream, and you gotta you have to behave like that. So did you did you actually see like after that, did you see that pot was going down the road that wasn't necessarily Yeah, it wasn't you know. It was just not a good place to be, uh you know,

but you know he was rolling with Shug. Sugar got him out of jail, so everybody had turned their back on the truck when he got caught in that mess, still came and saved. What was your relationship with Sugar was m W as bodyguard and but yeah, but he rode with them, and being Sugar always had a cool rep. Cool like understanding no beef because we did no business.

But you gotta understand, Sugar is a football player and he basically had act connections to the MOB or the MLB, the cats in his neighborhood where he's from, and they were bloods and he surround himself with a gang of bloods. So that was power and something. But then again, my boys they were like we the other side, so that don't matter to us. And I got Nigga as big, biggest Sugar, So it's like, what's happened, friend? You fucked

me up with that one. Though. My boys was the others like because you know, for the rap game, all they knew was Sug at one point. That's and but but but see, I'm not operating as as that type of a militia. But they gotta go yeah, you know, yeah, but you know it's like, okay, and that's children. We well, everybody was cool, everybody understood everybody. Everybody had their limits. But me and Sugar never shared a negative word. He was very respectful in areas and we respect because we

we aren't enemies, so to speak. But then at the same time were from two different sides of the gang world. You know what I'm saying, I'm from a crypt side. Okay, so they like whatever, can I at your question? U disgressive? This is going through something we talk about beef. What was to deal with you? We said, I questioned Mo

d here man iced Tea girl. Well, what happened was l l it was I had to ask that because I mean, not that I know, uh, he's a little bit not I know, because because iced Tea is real nigger. I just wanted that was like that was that was equivalent to Biggie and partner. Yeah, but no one. I didn't take it like that. What happened was with with with him was he was just saying he was the

greatest rapper ever. And I was coming out from the West Coast and how was I going to be able to be taken seriously if I let someone say they were the best. So I had to rep minds. I was just like, funk, whoever you think you are, NIGGI you know, I had a whole coach on my back. So I was like, let's go. Now. Whether I thought I could actually beat him wrapping whatever, but I had

to stay in my ground. And I thought I might have been able to be more clever than him, who knows, But it was no. That ship got shut down bam. But I'd actually shut down that rap beef because because l L wanted to be part of Zulu, and there was a moment where they were asking me, and I'm like, well, if it's up to me, you know, me and him, it's kind of beefing and ship. But at the end of the day, yeah, because Africa Islam put me in

the game. I might have missed that. He did producing right, so so so l you know, but it was his record ship. It wasn't it was just who's better rapper? Wasn't threatening each other's lives and shipping all that, and I did this and that, and I think he said I took the the record the thing to the bathroom or whatever. But you know whatever, you know that's not granted. Some murder like that just still looks so bad that you're both like to keep me by storm, like y'are

both the rat L Now how does that? How does that? I ran into LLL in Monte Carlo. We were what's up? What's up? All right? Good to see you? All right? What's going on with my brother ben Zeno's in the village. I was watching TV. I saw you get shot on TV. I was like, your relative shot you crazy? To shoot me? That's crazy, don't say but my family, now you let's get to this Monty Carlo doing a television contention. I'm and I chopped it up with l L. And you

know it was like yo, man at the end. Back in them days, this is what we had to do. We had to stand our ground, no disrespect, and we shook and everything. But I had this recently. This happened maybe five years ago. After that point, I hadn't crossed the l ELS path nothing like the whole time. We don't have to. You know, we live in different coasts and you know, but Hollywood didn't bring you all like he's like that, what about you? All right, what about

MODI did you know when when that happened? Did you ever talked to we got a funk out. Now, It wasn't that. It wasn't it wasn't that serious kind. It was wrap ship. It was rap ship. It was never that serious. It was just like I could wrap better than you know, as a as a young dude coming up,

and as a young dude coming up, like embarrassment. Come on, man, the same person and young dude coming up right, so I'll see like you you would that soldier boy for his rap and you're like, Yo, that ain't real hip hop or whatever, blah blah. Like I agree with you because I come up under the seeing nick upon the North, I know real hip hop. But I'm taking it as like he's a young boy coming up trying to use a platform just to make it out the hood. So it's like I felt like if I was him, like,

I'll be hurt to hear that first. It's like I look up to you like you going shoot on me. I'm just trying to make it out feed my fan. Okay. It was a backstory to that. This is what happened. This is why we were talking about phones off and cameras are because we were. I was making a mixtape from one of my homies in the hood. Right, This dude just a regular nigked I'm on his rapping, rapping for him free right. So when I get into the booth, the nigga started like like saying, niggas don't want to

hear you. They want to see boy. They want so they pumping me up. They're using this ship to get me. They're like, yeah, they don't want to hear you. Nig didn't want to hear christ. They hit my g bone. I'm like, and I went on and I lined up, I went on a ramp, and the niggas taped it and put it out and put it on in the front of their mixtape. So I'm so that was. That was one of my iced t old man rants. It was he was never supposed to hurt it. So now

I'm in Arizona, minded my business. My son goes soldier boys on the internet talking shit about you. So I'm like, what so a parent they planned the tape back here listening. So now I'm like, well, I can't back down. I did say this ship, so now I'm out there, so let me verify, let me break down what I said and not as told, and nigga breast straight up, nigga, this is how I feel blah blah blah blah blah and what and then rest is history. But at the

time I felt the bar was starting to drop. And I just think that that once again, it needs to be a degree of difficulty in hip hop that always has been there and that's what makes it something special. There's something about a star. A star is something you can't reach. That's why Michael Jordan is a star. You can't reach it, and that's why we look up to him.

But when you're doing something that everybody can do, you're not really started me what anybody can do, and show me something I can't do, and you get to praise. So you know, God blessed soldier. But you know this is what I do know. Niggas will end up in their own ship if that's what they deserve. So now you're seeing this this guy and and and look at where his life is. You see what I'm saying, So

you you don't really gotta do nothing to nobody. They gonna end up where they're supposed to be because of their actions. So you know God, but now we want to know you know what that's like. That's like if you ever heard about the Laws of Murphy, what can happen will happen? And that's what Let me. Let me just tell you something. You want to join the gangs gang. You're a good guy, busy. You know history in this room, right you know said yeah, yo, you know Ice Ice

kuld killed. Hell, it was it was real because real ship though, and I respected because hold on the table and I spent on it was real because like like I remember when we had the ours so cool and we was on Tommy Boy and when and which is now on by Warner Bucks, right right exactly. But if it's crazy because all happened at that time. But when he came out with the cop Killer song, we know we just got a deal on Tommy Boy, dude from Boston. You know, I got a little single deal. We put

a song out called one the Chamber. So when the Chamber we talked about two kids who I got killed and ball stand and the police got over with it whatever, you know what I'm saying, shot shot dude under a car, shot over due in the back of the head, and they got over with it. So, um, we end up getting dropped from Tommy Boy because the Boston Police Patrols

associated and has sued us. So I forgot. There was an interview and it was something that I don't know if you did the interview, if I did the interview, and it was just something because since he had the cop Kills song and we got with the cop that was trying to compare things, and it was saying that. I said, well, as far as I know, you know, even though of course I see legend in the game, but the song, from my understood was kind of rock. It was rap rock, you know what I'm saying. I said,

it was kind of different. I said, you know, I said, we didn't. I said, O, it was just a rap song. We was just pretty much talking about you know. I mean, it was almost like the same thing. But we went out and did the show at the Irvan Empathy. So it's just the five of us, you know, we don't have no security, nothing to ship. So it was four of us, plus we had a little Jamaican neg that did on the hook for one of the songs or whatever.

So when when when when I came with Madman, this was the time I guess where they was trying to squash the blood and crypt the truth. He had like a hundred niggas would I'm like so like one of theg was like, yo, I see what I should man, I said, ship Sometimes I think right, I'm like, funk right, I mean look now, my side of the story is this. When the ship happened, the word got out that RSO said that we I was the reason they got dropped right right right. But that's that's how it came at me.

So it was like your rs SO said something about you that the wait so like like I was telling them in my I keep everyone abbress of who we might have beefs this that you gotta so, I think rs SO it popped up on our radar like it it's r SO. Nigga said, some fly So then I'm at this place and they go there, they go right. But we felt it though, because I was like, look, I said, look, I said, look, I said, man, I said, we gotta stay together, said nobody was whole body runs.

What happens, We're gonna get mopped up together. Somebody running. We can have a problem like niggas a little Jamaica nigga was like, oh, I didn't even like he was like, what the fund did I get? MESSI He's like, I'm not even off. So like my niggas was, he wasn't even that mode. They identified him. So I'm gonna go over to you. No could your man came. He was like one. So I said, I'm gonna go there like y'all said, I'm gonna go over there. I'm gonna talk to the OI. We went over that talk and I

never forget this, you said that. She was like, look, man, I ain't got no beef for nothing. Mess Man, you see these things that's the Grape Street there that that I'm looking out. I'm like, yeah, you know what I'm looking at it, like yeah, I see it. It's like man, funk that he's like, let's go kill some cops. Together said. I was like going to like, look, I'm not my beef is with you with you? And and and also I never, I never, I never really took secondhand information.

You know, somebody say you said something, then I'm gonna get you and I'm gonna see if you'll say it again, you know, because that cause niggas get killed over second hand information. It wasn't real. So if I can't walk up to Ben and say, yo, what's really good? But I was really more or less like I ain't mad man. A ship went bad when my ship got banned, ship went bad for a lot of people, you know, and I everybody said it was my fault, but I'm like, yo,

this ship is real, right, we're real. Like so if you guys have had heated at the cops and let's go get down. Because I was always like that with niggas. I'm like, you so quick, you're killing another homie over an orange soda. But when they come, you run like where's your gangster? And to this day, yeah, they had the American flag with all red and blue. Remember the stage turn like that was history. A lot of people didn't even like that wasn't documented, but you had the

bloods and crypts on stage. They had American from big flag. It was biggest, about as many niggas more than here, So it was I mean, it was that was an ill moment. It was a moment where l a command you for that that was big to do it that that hadn't been done before as far as I knew, you know, I wanted to try to get the l A gangs to to stop killing each other. I still this is like all in the same gang. Now this is during the ninety two this is a truce, which

which truth is? What's going on prior to that? And why were you on that record? Now that was after I was after all that the same game. But you was the reason Boston started when when Colors came out, that's when everything started forgot about After after Colors everything started, everything started going like in the same to Boston when Colors came out. Then that's when really I noticed Boston started ganging up. You know what I'm saying. It was

right after Colors. Colors, Like I mean this be from the movie theaters. Thing was going crazy when that ship came out. You don't you know the thing of it is with me, man, that's like I'm responsible for a lot of negative ship that happened. But really I've always been the person that's really tried to get peace. You know, at the end of the day, my messages can be misconstrued, know because I can go into that mode, but that's

not really my get down. My get down is not that And when people meet me, they go, wow, you so mild manage you so cool? You know where'd all this gangster ship come from? I say, well, people like me are the ones you gotta look out for. Then they can walking around talking all tough and ship like that. He doesn't have any power. That's why I don't understand why Donald Trump, now that he has all, this party needs to counter because when you have that ability, then

you don't need to raise your voice Twitter. You can just become calm because it's it's nothing, you know. So yeah, you know a lot now. Nigga see me now and I'm not the normal rapper. They're like, why you ain't. Yeah, I'm like, I don't. I don't need to be like that. You know. That's all that extra ship right then that's it's over different different, but the same ship can happen. Niggers can bring the gravity. I just want to I just want to do real appreciation. I've seen my brother

Chin BEng is here, my brother be Strows. Heirs want to diego y'all, Benzino, it's a great podcast going on, righted team. I can't thank you enough. I can never thank you enough for anything you ever did, because you know what, I could never repay you for anything you ever did, relax, for the children, for the coach. I can never repay you for anything you ever did to me. And you know how I would pay you with that.

I would pay you with that is because I always do something for somebody who could never repays a game. That's real talk paying for its real pay it forward. Because you're so big, I can't even It's nothing I can ever offer you, can never offer you money, I can never offer you anything. All I can offer you is real friends. But it's always a treat when players meet.

It's always a treat when you get around cat to your own caliber and you can chop it up and it ain't nobody bragging and talking about that unnecessary ship because at some point everybody has everything. So there's nothing to brag about now because we all have everything. So now what is what are you talking about? What have you done? What are you what are you giving back? You know that's how really wealthy people bragg. You know that they talked about how much money they gave away.

That's not what they have because we all got the yaps and books. So what are you giving? All? Getting away ten million? This year? I gave back fifty minute that's why. That's how the Baller's brand. You know, we're still on the nigger side trying to get something. You know what I'm saying. We ain't there yet. But my thing is iced Tea is really just a person is trying to show people there's no limits. Everywhere you want to go, you can do it. We all come from

the hood, and you set your own limits. You know, if you listen to the crowd, you're gonna end up with them. You did, you can do whatever the funk you want. And uh, you know, you just gotta drop a lot of that negative ship. You just gotta drop a lot of that boisterous, arrogant ship that gets you shot and you getting You just learned the mellow out. And all of us in this room should live as long as we want. We shouldn't go to prison. All that we passed. Once you get out of your twenties,

that's the kill zone right there. If you make it out of that, there's no Now you're o g playing Xbox nor that's all I do. I plays a one year old. Let me just say this and this right and the one year old. Here's the problem is, they never expected us to make twenty one now after we make past twenty five. Now they call us a O G. But back in the days, they used to call your O G after thirty five forty, but now they call

you G. Isn't that messing up? I'm understand this, man, I'm gonna hold I'm on another channel, right, I'm on the channel. It it's called nigger as I funk with like. And that's only people care about. Can you send me that? Yeah, you want me? Everything else is development and they can come up and they can learn. If they don't want to take advice, they can learn the way we learn. You didn't what I'm saying. Might have to make a detour through the penitentty, but they're gonna figure it out.

I think it's and that's only prema. Let me just say something. I can never thank you for anything you ever did for me, and you continue to do it for me. You've never fronted on me. I really really appreciate everything. I really love you as a person. I love you as an artist. You already know that. I know. I can guarantee you when we go downstairs, I could probably know more l everything you know to your own ship. Stop it no, no, because the way he called his verses. No,

he really know. I'm not gonna take that. At the end of the day, I iced tea big up to your beautiful wife. Yeah yeah, everything is good. Go Actually no coco questions and one of that, as you know why this is hip hop right. So to me, you love, open that door, you open that door, you open that door. But to your wife, um, Chanelle is in the building. I got a one year old daughter, look y'all. Just

like like you, I'm happy. I'm happy. I'm just very fortunate to still be here, to still be in the game. I never wanted to be at the top of the game. I just I always wanted to be in the game. Just bubble, you know, and just chill. I'm about to turn fifty nine. I didn't know that I'm standing in the ways answering the way you know we do. I'm not going to nigga. So just from that age, just from my age, my perspective is gonna be a little bit deeper. The people I grew up with is a

little bit different. So that's kind of like you know, you say you cut from a different cloth, cut from a different cloth. So I hold that code that all that I've always held it. And I was telling them earlier. The only thing you leave on earth is your your reputation and respect that I've earned. So my kids forget the money, Jack Jack, tell them we're coming down. Tell him,

but I'm in it like this, right. The only thing that you have in life is your name and your respecting, your honor, and with my kids, regardless how much money, I can live, and it doesn't matter. If my son says I'm little ice and they say your father was a sucker, then that's his life. He's gonna live under that. So if I'm an honorable cat, people are gonna look out for them. They're gonna go, that's your dad, you know, the same way we look out for biggest kids to say,

way we look out. And that's what I'm all about. It's b maintaining my respect and my honor for my kids. That's all. It ain't about the money. It's not that that ship, you know, all that ship comes and goes. It's all about that. As long as you've a player has his health and his freedom, anything can happen. Right, If you have your health and your freedom, that's all that mattered. So I'm at home playing Xbox eating cockles. I take my black ass the law and order, I

come back home my motherfucking business. I'm trying to stay the funk out the way. I don't want to be on your blogs, and none of that old bullshit pop out when I've got something to sell. When I'm pushing something other than that, I'm cool. I'm chilling, you know, because we all got everything we need. Remember this, we all got everything we need. It's all about now what you want and you I can't tell you what you want.

We got what we need. What do you need? To pair of pants, some shoes, a car, and rent and food. That's all you need. Everything else is what you want. Some good with that, right, that's all you need. But we got that. So your life is based around what you want and and and you don't know what I want. I might just want to chill and watch TV from the bottom of my heart. And I'm gonna speak from my partner as well, both partners. Look, it's kind of awkward.

This is a religious experience here, partner, partner, somebody here. You'll pay attention, but but half for all of us. We want to thank you because you know why. And then and we also understand that you had started your podcast, you had did your podcast, but you need to stop that and come with drink Champ that one with you I did. I did fifty nine episode and this is where we're doing. I am Show Night and Puff Daddy together.

I love it. If they had never had be if Sugar Knight and Park Daddy got together, this is what drink chat that bird is. Come on myself, I said, thank you so much because you know why Ice, there really isn't no other platform a hip hop. Now we will get real talk. But not only that, we praise our legend because every time in our game, after you get ten years, you're finished. And every other music or genre of anything, do you get ten years, you're a legend.

Well you come on, man, when you get ten years in hip hop, they say, and we don't want to do that over here. That's another place, you know. My I mean, if I meant George Clinton, I know George Clinton. We got too much money he got He's motherfucking George Clinton. You gotta And that's how I mean. You know, I'm not a distance cat. And just so you know, are George Clayton and hip hop? Yeah? Make some noise. I ain't not only that you, you the kids. This this's

my kids. That's my children all. They might not look like it, but they all my children. That's that's all my child. But you are the George Clinton of our hip hop and we're gonna get you to praise you, keep you alive. Come and make sure thank you. Goddamne makes your Nord drinking looks like my little nephew