Episode 68 w/ DJ Premier & Pete Rock

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doing the hip hop. So I would like to introduce if you into hip hop, If you if this is something that you say you love and this is something to say you adapted, and you don't know these two brothers, and you don't know how these brothers shaped and molded the culture for everything that you love right now, If it wasn't for these two people that standing beside me in front of me, rather what hip hop is, it's because of them. They singlehandedly had their hands on the

best artists ever. When you think about all matic, think about reasonable doubt, and think about Biggie, they worked with the three top of the best. They continuously out here looking young, They out here and then and then the beat battle had just took place, and a lot of people are with Swiss Beats bigging him up and is

gonna just blaze. But a lot of people don't know that these brothers been doing this for years, for years, they started it, and I am so proud to introduce and to represent people that I look up to personally, Pete Rocket, motherfucker DJ your listen brothers who I'm gonna be honest. The fact that both of you brothers had worked on my favorite hip hop album of all times, which is All matic Um. Now, I just want to take it from there because was it because we had

q tip on here? And I believe q Tip I think he said he suggested that that he worked with them or so how did yeah? So was it? Large? Large confessors? He oh, chief in command actual the chief in commander of Elmatic. Get then you're telling me you never heard of not both your brothers and the thing is back. You know Queen's artist, including yourself for one.

Y'all wrapped longer than any other with no hooks, no and you know law of Professor is so New York like he'd be like yo, like yo, like like world like yo. He do that for like ten minutes before you saying senate and he was like, yo, yo, prem I got just do name the rapper Nasa. It wasn't Nat Wrapper. He was trolling his lyrics, so he wasn't

even that rappers. Yeah he does it on hanging Out, hang Out, he said, like the wrapper nas yeah, you know, and so even wrapping big noise, I figured, that's just a thing. That's a queen's sing. That's a queen's sing. And we got we got peat Rock. I mean, we got Premier drinking jim Bean out his motherfucker. I want to glasses, baby, I think it sho someone open one for me, please. You're just so y'all know that's how

y'all know. Y'all been y'all. Y'all personally raised me and you probably didn't know that, but um, it was so honor to work with both for you brothers. Your brothers are hip hop. When I think of hip hop, your name. I know both of your names start with a P, but it feels like it feels like your name should be a you know, the first time I met you, D and D. Let's go to D and D Studios front door. You know what he's saying yo from me.

It was something man, Yo, my name is Jose Luise like and the thing is the L A L A regular h okay, we got him drinking. I'm fifty years old, man, I know, I know, I know you an experience. You gonna do one whiskey or even nobody. You're trying to give him that shot and then you call another one. But but the crazy thing is when I heard l A l A right for you opened up blands Luise, Luise, that's how we do. That's like some ye rock. I used to hanging queens with Flush. I heard you play

unreleased Reasons one on me, Casina. What's that unreleased Flush versus? That was worldwide remix? I never put at that beat. That beat. We got to do that back for y'all. I owe you're right it for y'all. I gotta do that beat for y'all. I owe you. I also pick you off for me in the supreme. How people don't know Rocks the person that plugged me in? What's the crame? Let's make some You don't smoke right? Yeah I do, but I don't care. Just don't care. Hard I did.

I didn't mind, you know, ninety two. So let's let her still. Now, let's take let's take it from the beginning premiere. How did you and and and Google even me I met Guru because um it goes back to nineteen eighties seven into eighty eight. My good friend who's still my man, Carlos Garza in Houston, Texas, helped me get a job at He's he's a Boston so Wild Pitch Records is a husband and wife label. Shout the Stu finding a Search was later surgeries later it was

just Stu finding his wife. No one else. They're now the rap permotion Guru was a person that would go over to their house every day and then listen to every demo that came in. They had Lott already signed whose Apache recipes that Patty's brother and latt did a lot of writing, you know with Latifa and the Flavor Unit, and he had a record called This Got Flavor which was big in New York at the time. Dad in putting on the his That's how forty five King came

into doing the Wild Pitch work. And then Chill rob g came along who was also part of Lattis crew in the Flavor Unit, and he got signed the Wild Pitch. Gang Star got signed after that, and so they had a red called the Lesson. I wasn't in the group. Then uh three, Gangster goes to three different chambers. The first chamber was Big Sugar and Google Gang Star. It was Big Sugar Google when Google when Google was going

to school at Morehouse. So they they're both from Boston. Yeah, yeah, And it was Shug brother swab D. They were the first gang Star. Then swab D stepped out and it became to him Sees Damon d Ski, but Gurgle wrote all the rhymes and it was Guru and then DJ Mike D but he was just called DJ want to be Down, but DJ one the number two name let her be and want to be down. It was one of the number two letter being and down one will be down. So he, uh, he has a brother named Gangstar.

T you know what I'm saying. Yea, So all that trickled down into the name. But Sugar and Gurgle originated Sugar. Everything he's doing the thing the movies now like yeah, we're working with Larry David all that stuff. So so from there, um, when grew moved in New York and the rest of the members didn't. She got locked up for a while, so not now it's just grew on

his own. But any time work wasn't involved with any money, no one would come up to New York to help him doing any movement around, hopping around to get getting the club, get on the radio. They weren't. They weren't really gettingradio played until they dropped their second single called Buster Move Boy, which is when I heard him. I was in New York at the time for the summer and read Alert was cutting it up, Molly Marl was

cutting it up. And if they're playing it, I thought they were called game stop because of his Boston accent. He's his gang style, the knowledge, that's a positivity, that's yeah. But this is right just right before how anything in control was just about to stop bubbling, but before Magic left. But uh and chilei Q used to be up there and and and the Kevy Cab so when and YouTube. Of course, when I met with group, I met you

had the reds the mic. Yeah. Yeah, He's like he's like, no, keep it going, Yeah, he'll keep going, He'll keep going. So from that point, uh, those three artists were the label Cheer Rob Glatt and Gangstar and forty five King was the only producer that worked after that after Donald

D produced the first single. So from there, uh, Google used to go through a box of the demos when every time mail came in, because back then it was about mailing your stuff, walking it in Carlos snugging my my my demo over to STU just be you know. I was in a group called mcas and Control and Textas and my m C was from Boston's name was top Ski. We were we're uh, we was keeno at top Ski Sugar Pop. They heard my demo, but they didn't like my m C. They're like me and they

were like, we really want you. But I was like basically seen the beats and my scratching. They were bugging off my sus huge back. So I didn't really want to leave my group, so I said I can't do it. I gotta stay stay doing what I do. Time passed. My MC pretty much got frustrated after going shopping other deals. We're gonna get a deal, so he said, I'm joining the military. I thought he was just bluffed. One day we're at the house, shout to Gordon Franklin. The whole

Franklin family, Gary Art and Recipes and Marland Franklin. We were staying at that house. I thought we were going to college together. That's how I met them. And next thing, you know, the bell rings on the weekend and the recruiting officers at the door. Yeah. Man, yeah, I'm looking for Theodore Campbell and I'm like for what he said, he signed he's joined the baby and I thought I was like, I thought he was lying, and I'm like, your top the other on the basement cause we all

lived together, and he's like, yo, I'm out. He has his backpacked already, Like how long did you did you? Did you join? He said for four years? M yeah, he said four years and already met Top everything. I'm like four years, so I'm not gonna wait for you know, four years he said, yo'ut do your thing and that's not called back to the wild. Fish said, yo, my man, my man left are now I'm available to now he lived in the group because that's my front man and

the groups. I gotta want you in the group. So that's how I joined Gangstar. Google on my tape and Lord fer Nessus tape that's our's got signed to wild pitch and that's how I end up. That's the first artist I ever produced was besides, let's take some noise

for that mans like that? Okay, so now, p Yeah, how did you meet cr y'all went to school together through some street guys, and um, you know when I heard you know, there was timing he could wrap or whatever, and when I heard his voice in high school because he was always a producer. He was a producer. Yeah, well England hood. I started doing my high school parties dans. You know, I became a DJ in my front motherfucker's you know, flocked to so I met C. He got

a distinctive voice. We did like fifty sixty demos in my basement, four tracks, four track like and got signed off that ship. I mean, like who's taking like dance to the drummers beat and making songs, you know, taking the break beats? That man Lenny from the Bronx was street beat and I would make beats out of them sens just normal ship. And then because my girl is like it's like the Bronx being the place of hipp and birthplaces, right, mont Vernon is like next this cousin.

Yeah yeah, so y'all had to have hip hop justice originally from the Bronx bro. You know, when I was young, I went to Bronx Room Park, not knowing what was gonna know what I'm saying, Oh, I know as I've seen a bunch of cool dudes smoking, drinking and listening to hip hop and had me. And then when I turned seven years old, I met James Brown. What and I that's gonna change it? Rock your cousin heavy dr It was my cousin of course family. That's some peace, bro.

And you know he took me under this wing. And that's how I learned everything. That's why I meant everybody. Before I even became who I Watch, I was Teddy Wiley. I was in the studio how we teach reminisces Old Were You? Which is such an iconic song for iconic song, but now that is about actual person, correct, my man? Can we bring that down? Troy right? Just tour have you being the boards him and kid plays road managers playing around you know who's always be on tour plane

what I mean? And they were playing with empty guards kids and throwing them, throwing them, trying to hit each other. And you don't never hurt. You know, I missed the steps. He was at the edge of the stage. I didn't know what's going to and have called me and started crying, and you know, the whole all up. I don't even today, to this day, I don't even know how I was able to listen to a record and make a beat because I was so distraught that man in the whole

hood was he was infamous in the hood. But you know how legendary that. So I didn't do it. You know, you can do that. And when I spent the sample, you know, I was with extra p wounds in Queens.

We would dig in and I found a record, damn mean, and we you know, took it home, fun with it, you know, and next thing, you know, I put you know, after the beat was made and everything like that, we got in the Stuco came with the lyrics and like, but he didn't have the beat, like he already had the rhymes rope, but he needed the beat to match the rhymes. And that's very like it's not easy to

do that. So it mild a raid in and it's just like classically talked about his aunt and you did you know that was going to be as classic as it is when you when I had Charlie Brown for me to Sais and he was there for a mixtap and we were just all that right, I just let it out like I ain't even care if he you know, who was around, because I was thinking about Troy and he started crying, and then the engineers darting, and I said, I think we got something, and I think, you know,

the only thing I don't I don't like about that record is that I wish I made Like, wait, what what are you say? It's wrong about it? It's a lot of I'm so now I gotta take it to one of my favorite games back the Massive Pill one of us. I got old night on it. Okay, so Massive Hill, what drugs was you smoking? You know it's crazy because I mean everybody has the rors of of getting lifted. I mean now to pay because the early

young kids. It's not my thing, but I mean we all have ways of escaping and and uh music and and drugs and drinking and sex and all that sports. It has always been in a twine. But it's all about how strong your mind is or how weak your mind is. I've always kept your wrong mind to know how to turn the switch off and get back to manage it properly. I'm glad I made Yeah, yeah, you

were hot, good with you know what. I've heard that it's happening that it was a good old day at ninety three in a ninety four that came bout ninety four song came by ninety three. But I mean, those are the good old days of just yeah, you know, you know you were torched before you go on the lab and start cooking something off and and he was with them without I mean, my mind approach is still the same. So I think Goodness said that it is because I'm still active, even if fifty years old, does

the work is still coming. We're still active, which we still are addicted to making beats and we're forming a DJ and we're like, we're but but Master Hill was a really was. We was actually making it as a google to radio because we wouldn't getting regular rotation on radio as an improper group. But like who always said we got platinum, respect Like all the platinum artists are loving us, but we can't sell some of records. But everybody that that's platinum and selling millions loved Gangsters we

were like, let's making radio, making fun of radio. When I said, I want to make something that sounds like you're on an elevator, gonna pere and so that was my mind stage. I wanted to make the records. You know, I'm thinking about your logic to the closest to what that's what. There's a lot of times I pre hear the song and I'm looking for the stuff that matches my what I'm looking for. That's why the drums usually

come first. But you know, because it's like, you know, it's going whatnots on this one, I'm going in pizza on this one, going sub on this you know, we kind of already know where we're gonna go. In the early days of my gangs Are career, there's three people that really taught me how to get to the level of actually four of the level of that where I should now I'll take anybody on our any He taught me how to feel to show biz some dr TC show biz, g taught me to thinking about how to chop.

I learned how shopping show biz. And then large Professor just showed me crazy traits that each come of miles and show with us because we we met and we just go to Ms. Mackenzie's Ausodes who was the d j's mom stir cutting k scratch, I mean k cutting such scratch. So we just go to the house. So I was around large and Pete a lot in they were way more advanced on the programming from from me.

We all way to the records of the sampling, but my skill didn't really get to a point until around ninety two, you know what I'm saying, when I started working on Boom Bad with ca Arres, because the original rap were not that, not that song, but the majority of again Mortal thought, yeah, out of here. Mortal thought carrots want to tacks and you did? You got killed? That you killed was just a laugh at radio for not playing us, and then it turned out to be

our biggest that you do it. You know, you know what else I gotta I gotta go straight into it. I'm so sorry, stick kids. That was a true story, just to get a rep. We just got idea. We were living in the Bronx and where the Third Street had moved out of East New York and I was living in the Yea. We moved to the Bronx one of a Third Street that's how I met. That's how I met. That's how that Tenancy from the n Y Jeez, well, that's why I met Smiley to get town Nutcracker from

the Nutcracker. I lived on a third and Andrews and they all that they all live down the hill on Andrews was hood. So having was we got our first check. I was moving into brew And with grand from my sellers. Uh. He was about to be the um music director for the Tonight Show with Jay Leno, so he his life and Hiss something still still living there before they moved to l A. They you know, so they were kind of back and forth. So around the time before he

may officially moved, he we all moved together. So now as brand for his wife, his son, me and Google all living together on three seventy for Washington and Brooklyn. So we moved back to Brooklyn. We both bought our first brand new cause and you know, I had a whip already, but I'm up to the MPV in the cars for the time for sure. But it was very famous everyone. It was one of a mind boy cars because it was the sound system everybody knew me for.

So when when that happened, grew about a four runner. These went the four Runners style body style grew got into a problem with some dudes in Brooklyn, and uh, he tried to stick him dead. Yeah, and then and they took the car. They took the time toime pass looking for cats, looking cats, couldn't find a car. One day, we're just four gps. Yeah, okay. One day we're moving around. We see the car start chasing after the guy going after him. He's high speed chase. Cops see us start

chasing too, going after him. He's like, that's how called. That's our call because they want to pull us over. They go after car. He keeps on driving. He the driver hits an ice cream truck and dies. Yeah. And it's crazy because grew at a picture of the day he got the car and he's in front of it going like like, yeah, I got my car going to the precinct. When they brought the car, it was all swistin and everything from the from the crash and it was all Smich stuff and groups, I gotta take a

picture body standing by going first before. He said I'm writing a song about this, and we wrote the song Anti. The album only has two verses. When we came out with the video with Fat Freddie and did that. He said, we need was on that. That's me scratching their dead hook.

I mean they did voice on whatever funding for you, they're gonna so so Fat Freddie said, we need a closing way of the video, and being that the guy did die in the end, he said, we gotta do a third verse of Greup wrote the third verse and that's why the twelve inch has a definitely type of

bounce and it's been re recorded as three verses. So that yeah, and that crazy that we actually found the dude to took off after cops go after after us and once we say no, we're trying to get our call back, and the dudes running and crashed on the camp for your ice cream trunk. That's why you gotta love game Star. This is why you got a little true star. You got now Pete right, the world is young?

How was I hating that? Now? That meant still when you heard hold on, hold that holder for a second, because I want to say, arguably might be my favorite record on Back's my favorite album of all time in mine too, not because I'm on it either. It would have been my favorite even if I ain't on it at all, Glad. I just want you to describe. He was there just to watch, all right. So now you meet this kid that last professor correct brings you to them, and then they say they want you to work on

Hi Mound burning. And there's a story where I had not waiting. I didn't even realize. I don't even remember. He said that I was in the car talking to a girl and he was behind me. But you know, he's behind me to get out, like you know what I mean, But he waited. He just stood in the car shot exactly. But still we got it together. We got that stairs, right. I go through a couple of as twelve hundred dicks, right, the first three, the second

one I put disc I put in. When I played it, he just said, oh wait, wait, wait, wait wait and just stood in close. And I'm like, okay, that means he likes it. But I just knew it, man, And this is the world as yours you're saying. He's like, yo, he wanted the same one, but I want you to do the world some hip hop saying. And then we got in the studio, went to battery. That's where we did it. You know, mixed assuming alf job records. I watch you later scratches one tape Premore came in there

and I did the scratch. I think as a quiet as I've ever been to. I just standings like this looking and I was just like, what the world don't know? Does the world know who nas is? Like? Again? Half time was half time? What about back to the grill again? Was back to the grill before happening? Yeah? Yeah? Yeah, it was half building at this point, right, so yeah, the buzz already this was crashed through Matic because Super was out when it was done and finished. Man, but man, yeah,

what's this? Three jobs on the half three at the time that I only had represented, but not the one on the album. The one is on the Atmatic is a remix? I was not the one on the vinyl on the single, No, just the one that's the one was on the album. One is only a period? Is the remax at the baseline? Hold on? What's the originals? I don't have to up do? Yeah, but I can't believe I'm make that story because I still can't believe

what is this? We celebrate overs being congratulated by Yeah, I don't wanted another FLAQ I just didn't know I was gonna get it a podcast. Thank you, hip Hop, Thank you. It's the fact that you know, um, I don't know if you guys know what. We only interview legends, not because we don't have love for the new generation, because we do. But I feel like in hip hop, hip hop is the only place that you get ten years in, you get fifteen years in and they say

you oh, and that right. We're all older, but we have old Thomas music. But we are true to what we did. Absolutely were leaving. So I just want to keep the interviewing legends and for us to have a twenty five million flat congratulations. Congratulations and I hate you why he knew he had? Man, it was supposed to be. When did you get hey listen man? Yeah, like I didn't know to And then on the sidebar my boy

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personalities talking business, sports, tech, entertainment, and more. Play it at play dot It. We're back to Drink Champs Radio with rapper and R and d J. Then now, so you do the world as yours. They said after you did the record, he was just happy for happy. But did you did You had the full sight just to think that this guy would actually like you know this guy. There was a lot of anticipation even when you guys were working on the project. Nobody in the game rap

that it was like rock him again, right right? Yeah, he stood in his own light, but he was in probably inspired by the rap rock him question you know question but it's open. Yeah, that was that was That was the one. This is new and I've been coming and we were confident and he was confident. I was happy were There are a lot of records on that project that that didn't make the project that you guys are that it was that the only beat you made.

Oh so it'll be one and done. One hit the repeet that going, uh, they're all flowing away for and then you took it the remix and hold yeah talking about okay, yeah, yeah too. Remixes had me all the same wait oh wait wait wait wait it was oh like in a good way, but like damn, my actually said, have just did a quick remix, you know, but they're both amazing and it totally totally different, you know, different approaches. His talents are amazing. Que tip shout out to him.

So now you did, said, three joints represent the Memory Lane and New York State of Mind. Memory Lane, Memory Lane, Memory memory Lane, Me, Me and me and NAS. We had a debate on that one because I actually didn't like that one. This is prime. This is the crazy shot I've been in the studio with three roll. Yo. You're really a perfection this, yo, because I do it on the spot. Ye, you really affected, yo. I went to six times. We couldn't get to beat right, and he said he came to me. He came to me

and said, what's your room, nickel? I said, no, front drop glasses. I believe that's an incredible juice. Then you made the beat in two fucking seconds. Black that No, that's a lot of big records when I performed no. But the thing about it is is that what you happen, you have to hear the votes first time, because but what Armaticul is one of the best hip hop albums for so much from understanding, I wasn't on the report and now you got me on another and all that.

This was the year Reunion merged as a solo artist too. I mean, your first, your first nor y'all. I was sick. That was like, it's sick thinking. I mean like that, like to this day, don't want to get back to baby more. What happened was we wanted to promote be so bad everybody we for some reason, our schedules was

messed up. And then we went to D and D. We went to D n D and I felt like he needed something from us and we just kept wasn't given to And then you just the sixth second I remember the sixth secon he said and screened on and I was like, yo, and I'm I'm as saying I gotten too. I was like, yo, just meet me this, you know, I know he's on. He was like go feeling like you know you And then and then that day and you can't even like not sorry the crazy ship.

He said, what's your opening line? And I said that So you had that rhyme already. Really, I had the rhyme already. I just was waiting for something perfect to go perfectly said, and he said say it again. He made the whole. I was like, right my mind, I was like day to be at the television. Yeah, my turntable set up on a big old nineteen seventies television with the with the wood and everything with the record player on the two and I got the turntable in

the mix on their pulse. That right there, but going yo, I still can't believe turn table on a television seven And that's what fair with the pan of sis to everybody in the hood and the projects have them on radio. We gotta do right now. Promote is described in these studios because I'm not hip hopcast on the studios was actually not nowhere in neighbor hood, but it was motherfucker was in the city. But once you get in the D n D, you're in the project. But that was

an automatic that was that was a heroin block. When we started working there in ninety two. That was a heroin block. So during that time, a relevant private before y'all try to come. It was drugs central and there was no lights so it was very dark, and ran a newspaper right across the street. So we was always

beat with them. And then there was a lot of fighting and threats and and I'm gonna get my gun and all this crazy stuff back then, and and it was just I remember a heavy decan came by and said, do we really gotta finish the sid But you demanded that people get everything, So so how am I had to go? I went? I went and went over to Hip Factory to finished working for him. And he was like, yo, this is grimy brame and I was like, Yo, that's how I do it. You had a machine that had

Philly cigars and what is it called? With bamboo and Philly? Did you have called living there as well? I think you're hid car. It was all kind of weird. It was. It was. It was in the dude. We had to restock at least every week whatever were being bought. You know, kid, you not. I used to be like, because you know, every time we used to go to the studio, we always stopped the cigars. But we went to Dnja, we

never stopped. We said just go straight there. It was a little bit like like more expensive, but it was like worth it. It was that recently Pete, Kanye and jay Z just you to do with joy describe what was that like? Going to win mean Black Sea? Sorry I didn't. So he was being a kid in a candy store to me, gotten his new whip brand new whip tags. Don't meet him kid cutting in Hawaii, burning the road, come zero to sixty in less than three seconds.

That's that's how hot that got pulled over. Police let him go. But now when he gives you that call, because at the end of the day, you represent the purest form of hip hope. So when you get a call from Kanye, what is your first reaction. I'm just gonna bring on my knowledge around And when I got there, he actually impressed me with what he knew what I'm saying and from my interludes to just like music in general and how he respects it. I knew we was

onto something good from the start. So I started helping him out, like run away or last me in the bathroom, helping him out doing little beats, you know, you know, just getting the popping. But when we got together into the Joy. I didn't know jay Z was gonna be on. My engineer at the time was young Gurgle Gurgle that was young at the time at that time. So I was working with him and you know, he called me

and he said, yo, listen to this. And I was driving at the time and he eats Boye Scott on there. That was familiar to me because Familie pulled over soun who that who that be? He's like, listen, listenariculated again and I had He's like, jay Z, is that jay Zy get something together and find only he finally gets on the feat and it happened through Kande, So let

the racket drive get it really good. I was happy for that, even though Premo was already you know, deep into jay Z. Let now premon you will actually on a reason moved out correct, Okay, lot was done to dn D. That's correct. Credits sate dn D. So now this kid comes. Now you already worked with NAS albums already out. Uh, you already crowned the top producer. But now this guy comes to you. It got some Brad, But I know you. You don't give a funk about Brad.

I know you and did you know him from Original Flavor. Yeah, I know before that, before that day, I knew Jay probably about eighties seven because Jazz was on E M MY and then even when we got signed T M I, which was the Christmas the same distribution, JA was so would always come up there with Jazz. Oh so, anytime Jazz will show up to any club or whatever, Jay was always with him. And back then Jay had the big long dukiek. Then we're gonna we're gonna get squashed

with Ja. We were talking about that yesterday. Just drink chance squash beats and uh so, being a character you what did he say to you? He says Prem because you've seen him in the industry. And one thing about Green Prem don't give everybody a beat. No, you gotta prove yourself real MC to get a beat. Complain. So

what did jay Z do that you said, I'm gonna fun. Well, even when it got to the point of him hanging with lit Prigonal Flavor, that's when I was selling in the Bronze and Chop down the block and so that down University down there, down the other way down the hill from from where we were, uh you know, but then it goes up hill, down everything down the hill, up the hill were the they were down the hill from from where I was, and uh so, um so, being I knew j already, it's crazy because Big L

was already saying, Yo, you know if you know this a big L with with with J a lot, but also j R. Yeah, yeah, they were. They were merging into doing some work, which is how the rock Fellers situation was about to happen. But but I knew Jay also aside from the jazz ole when he threw king So I said, we came about Mr Mr C's from LG Projects, and then Mr C moved in. I think it was just hard to somebody's house right there, People to your home, come on family affair story. I'm so

sorry we spread love shot down the flight. Well, I'm getting people that about the high contact because I've seen people go and I'm like, hey, you know told me, you know told me to and I want you to finish your story please because fans your fans against all, right, But I was actually drinking with Joe Pashi one night.

He wouldn't he just stunning on us right now, you didn't just the fans like finish, but he would not let me take a shot without looking at And this is old school because the nineties, so everybody else from Queens moved to Long Island. I was the only fucking asshole to moved to Jersey, and so I was, you know, I was like Almonkst you know, the tie. For some reason, I don't know why, but I always moved next to the tie of mafia. I'm sorry, but it's always something

I lived. You look at the Queens, you gotta look at I point, oh yeah, yeah, yeah. I always take a hardcore Italians and and they just went and I say, why why I gotta look out? They said, because in the mafia, the person can't look at the eye when they take a show. If that's the person is gonna shoot you. And you know, back then it was like that, you know what I mean, it's not normal. Yeah, I've been living about that and I've been aiming one. Somebody,

don't do it. I would say, hey, excuse me, just always look at me, and it's a it's a very very fun thing. Well in general, look at you. In the period, his reason moved out off, so by the time he got to read did reson three? I did, and I did the Evils. Wait, wait a minute, he just three for three and everybody man sucking illmatic and three yea and you gotta by that time me and

James Lee does it so well. Um, But I was on WBLS at the time and I was doing radio, so Clark Kent brought jay Z up there to let me here in my lifetime the single that they remember themselves, the original, because they had the one that I can't get with that sause money that's I'm met sauce. So when they brought it up during my commercial break and I heard it, I was like, yeah, I'm gonna play this out out of commercial break. They're like, but you

just listen to you you don't play it now. I'm like, yeah, open the show with it. Next thing, you know, Jay's like, I got something before you get me about the Crystal. I didn't know what crystal was because he was still drinking ball and he's like, this is the real deal champagne right here. There's a big, big ball of stuff. I was like, cool one for years and years, say yeah, I finally dranking you know that Athos, you know Jane

on Pumper Crystal. But if we don't, I don't. So yeah, so now with the space now, so shop not the best, but it's okay. Did I say that the birthday party? Um was the first time I tasted his space because JA came to the birthday party and like, I think I've never tastes that. He said, all no, he pot brought me a glass and we had slammed down. I'm all, whiskey John a Brown look a guy. Whiskey guy. Now let me before we get into this into the interview.

So so Dame approach well, j approached me about us since we had had a friendship already, and then he inclives me the Dame. I used to see Dame and the Brons walking his dogs all the time. Yeah, he always had his dogs and he was walking around cause he's gonna see Chubb each other and Steve because he was aniling and you never Chu Chu dz J Yes, d chump each other from Rental Flavor as it's a big DJ in Boston bosses. So so Dames being around

there walking the dogs all the time. So we met then, but it was just small talk and we were just you know, everybody knew gangs I was at the time. We are we were not enough. So from there, Jay said, this gotta handles the business. So I went doll with him, told him how much. I said, because it's Jay, it's all love, I'm only gonna charge you four thousand dollars, which was very, very very lucky. And I don't believe in luck, but that's a blessing for me to give

you that type of number. We went in the back and they gave me the cash and I started getting busy. Now Jacob and and and just Ja called me and said, I got this song called to he will. He explained it to me and oh my god, explained he explained it to me. Then he wrapped the whole song on the phone. And after he wrapped it on the phone, then he gave me the scratch idea and said, I what do you mean? He said, I want to? So he had it all mapped up. Can you save me?

Got my mind? Yeah? I can't die. I can't even know, he said, make it go. I can't gave you that. Yeah, he knew that. He knew the same order not to sample to make the beat. He just he gave me the idea of how to He said, this is the atmosphere. I want musically, but I want you to, no matter what you make, do these scratches. And I went down there. I said, yeah, I'll be ready by time you get there. And it was ready when he walked in. I saw he picked the rap. That's what I'm saying that he

samples for the cut. He said, hey, yeah, samples for the cut. He picked that already on the Phone's on the phone. So so he had that well thought out, and you know, so crazy him and Biggie's always later cup vocals. And then they both leave and go, all right, do the premier thing. And they both said the same thing, do the premier thing. When you sit there like, I gotta watch you, man, I gotta make sure right, he said, do the Premierre thing. We're going out, and they would

leave and let me just do my thing. I might have said in the first drop. You know I'm good now, Pete Rock. You established your super producer. You you've done everything, you work with the best. What makes you say I want to do a whole album? First off, for duck Down before Smoke diesn't because you you did a whole He did the last Smith and Western. So if some survivor too with with ute. Yeah, everybody an the best

of the you know, it was crazy. And then the best labor we're making, say, you know what, I'm gonna do a whole project with Smith and Wesson. I think it was just the r of whing On and it just made me say, you know what, Damn, I love only and they could do if I could make a joint with him. Then I went to Steve with the idea. I knew he could make make it happen. You know.

Then I was on the label they signed me. I was like, wow, okay, they one album deal, but I said, no, I'm gonna make this one real good what I'm saying. And then look, I got the talent of round me. Let me just see what's happen. And then boom, I'm just going to stop thinking it half And now you got the joint. It's funny to shoot with me and you house strange real clothes with each other, Like are we talking strange fruit right now? You know I'm talking.

We're talking the fat abut John Yeah, the ship on Sufia. But you yeah, I had such a great time. Was a green studio? Yeah you st yeah, you know you need to look at my memory remember I used to come of Pete, but that was way down. That was that was, That was like jamie S friends in my house. Yeah, I came in right after that and then talking the whole story about the zame. I missed it, but bulleholes in the wall. It's still in the wall. Goddamn. Let from comments. You know. It was a great time and

great times with my home. So who was it? It was me? Punning comment, Me punning comment. What a combination, that's it? Yeah, got real tight, you know what I mean. No, listen, Pete, let me just tell you something. We were so hard to come back. We had a ball. You ordered pieces there's Green Street Studios. I could never forget it because you know, Pete showed me and I remember I had the card their frames on at that time too, and I also and I also had a very important sweater

on and I Miami. It was called um because this is a guy who designed Iceberg. But then he went and did his own thing and I forgot what it was called, but it was some fly ship and I bought from about Harbor and I only wore the peat rocks. So now you guys, you work with knobs. He worked with jail. Have you ever worked the bad You never worked a bad um. He's been to my crib if he was picking my inn the loud beats, He's like, you know, and then you know he heard the idea

of juicy in my base. You know, came with the one that brought Big to the to my house. You know we are from Puffers from Della Avenue and my Nion and go up Big to a crib and he's just like, hell Big, He's like, yeah, I just want to see how you make a beat. And then I made the speak called U that's a song called in the Flesh on the Maining Green, and I made that. He wanted it, you know, but it didn't happen somehow, but I ended up using it one album. But he

was there and saw the process. But would now describe that because now you know profits from around Burner, so you look at him like a pair. But now do you do you realize that this guy that he just broke to your studio is the most legendary person in the world. Already you knew, you do already. The area was there because I think Buff came on the show and he was scribing Big as disrupted like his look was dead. Yeah, did you get that feeling when I

didn't even pay attention to that? I was skilled. I was about to scare Holy rap, I got to beat the match. No mean, let's get something poppets. But he heard the idea of juicy and just you know, I didn't actually do that actual rigiment. I didn't ended up doing the remix, and that was the only thing. You mean, big Gun. But you know, if you know he did pick beats, you know he just didn't need a chance star. Yeah, he knew what he wanted to wrap to. Yeah, he

was now premo. Um, how did you first meet there? I met big Um when we moved back to Brooklyn's for Green when we're living with Branford, looking a lot of rough places. Yea, yeah, we were just this falk grady when when brand Valley officially moved out and went to California, we turned this place into a frad house party house. Rizzon was like Washington between had in Green and Brooklyn. Yeah, Brooke, it's old school Brooklyn. Yeah, that's not yet so that you get killed every other store,

think it's shot coming out. He's like that, this is you that was to shoot him up corner and it's not this is not this is not um the vegans, No, this is this is hipster, hipster for old English. One of you know, let's get to this is when Biggie wore the same green, because when Biggie the Biggie one the same green, all me jacking and the sleeves about the right. So but board all the time I knew Needo Chico sees Kim, they bring you this guy no missing.

I gotta give him to see the credit when he's from the beginning with he was annoying me like yo, he wouldn't know I g yet he was Biggie Smalls and and every somebody else had Biggie small so that he just yeah, man, But um, I used to do a lot of shoulder Kane, and there was time that I couldn't. My turntables got damaged. Back then you carried your equipment on tour and uh j he want he wanted to still bring his you Mr c let me his turntables right before Kane took the stage. So the

gang Stalker performed so well again. He lived right down the block for all the weeks when I said, we knew and so you gotta go out and to see house. And in the dope weak spots right there, the new one, the one is like on that was dead one, so the nice Franklin av So then during that time, Mrs Steves a calming, go Prem Biggie small, Biggie small. I'm like, see, I'm gonna listen to it, like, just give me some time weeks past, yo, Prem, Biggie small. That's why I'm like, yo,

see before unsun hype. Yeah right yeah, just Biggie small, Biggie small, thig. I'm like, dude, I'm gonna listen to it because we're pretty busy that that time. I read it. One day, I listened to it, liked it like the demos that I heard. And then I met Big on the corner. I was going to the corner store me Google Big Sugar Dad, and Dad was in love with little Kim and little him like yeah yeah, yeah kind of yea, yeah, I'm never got the bunny that's to

this very day. Yeah, and that's family. Melkolako got locked before many's homes. Welcome Melancho. You know we all connect to me, j Rue. All of us is still good. So uh So, then Big was like, yo, she she told you. He told me he's been stressing you. I was like, yeah, family heard it. I said, we gotta get something in. And then he goes Joe Puffings and this is what he said, puffings interesting and signing me. So this is how far back up too, they said,

Puffers addressing and sign him. I said, dude, go with him. And I said, puff Puff not only has money, he got a vision. He's gonna blow you up. He said, we I don't know, man, you know, I want to keep his hood. I'm like, yo, he don't want to go with go with puff, you know. And then boom, next thing you know, Puff started coming around. And actually I tell people this Puff was the first one. I'm sorry, I'm because Puff is the first. Remember his stick? Yeah?

But so what was the first? Making? You actually worked on a little big Unbelievable. This is actually what trigger. This is what trickled. That was a single trickled down into why I gave jay Z and them the price for lower price, for reasonable doubt. Because when we did Unbelievable, duh, the the budget had run out for Big and I told Big, I don't have time to make a beat.

And he goes Joe, I got five thousand dollars. I was like, you know, but we were already cool with each other, but I felt weird telling them no. But I really didn't have the time, and I'm a person. Then Pete'll tell you this. I make the beat on the spot. And now that's something that people don't realize. I don't have like twenty beats and go you'll pick one, like take number six and number before and that they said that that's what they do. They make it to

the artist. So I didn't have nothing for big that was dope. You know a lot of people like, you know, come on, man, I know you've got something like I don't, I really don't. You come here, we can make it big old, I don't care if you taking pizza president and just some funny staff sounds, and you know he knew the slip slap. Yeah, and you know what staff was what we say in production in the production era. So he said, I don't care if it's some staff,

that's our word. So coming up tonight, then that's what happened. He comes up. I'll take the five thousand, I said, but if you get a deal and you go platinum, I want thirty five thousand dollars per track. After after him going by the way, we did the song crazy and there's ninety five. He comes in, we do the song. It becomes the B side of Juicy. It was like the Street singles was my first gold singles. All that. Wow. As soon as he got the deal to up the money.

I remember he goes, Joe, I got to check for it. He said thirty five right, he said, I got. I got two of them, brought me to check and Puffy gave me the checking out. Like wow, he kept his word. Oh so this wasn't on paper this word. It was like handshake ship. Yeah, that's big, d You learned so much hip hop history getting dirty back then. No, that's the best triple. That's ninety Let me ask you because you um, the reputation is like the most hip hop

of hip hop. But now Janet Jackson, you work with Janet Jackson, you work with Christine Million, work did you work with Britney Spirits as well? So just crazy as a hip hop producing you get this call, What is your first thing to say for Christina? Yeah, because you know that that wasn't hurt dude, that put her onto her ex husband Jordy had put her on some of my stuff, but she liked it, so she called me and go, Joe, I just heard the group home out.

Oh that's not what Christine. She just heard. I met the Shateau Mama down the hill on sunset, you kind of front mama shot in Germany, shout to my mom's with a lot of a lot of wigs, big wigs, lamp and drinking and getting enough money. Because it's right down the hill. It's right before tower, like right after you. That's Tower Records or any little little big Tower Records right now. And it's got a big knee on side and shot to mama with bushes so you can't really

see the spot. And she said, my rolls Royce is outside. I saw the white the white fantom. I said, she's here, walk in. She's sitting there with Jordy. She goes, so I love group, like that's pin point group. The Grimy is out there like this like the jazz samples that used on some of the games. So she liked. She liked jazz Thing't she like work? She like, yeah, she said,

works like you know my steeds. Even though that was but the song she was naming with joints, like, wow, if that attracted you don't want to work with me, let's go in. And then we ended up we'repoth do one record, which was called We called back in the day. Next thing you know, she was like, y'all stay here a couple more weeks and we just started banging out and turned into five records. And then that was the

first Grammy I ever got for a single. Whereas you know, not for the for being on the al I gotta Grammy for the Angelo being working on the album and for jay Z on how Not Life, but to get one for the single is singles out all the other songs on the album. It's like, for that one song, you gotta gramm me. So that was a big monument with my career. It's dope. It was that goddamn it. Now, who was it that you said you work with him, but you wanted to see them right to Rob in

the big face Tom it was somebody I forget. I'll work with him, but I want to see them right the rock, right the rock. I think it was like a Justin Bieber all right, yeah, you know the sipher what I've been doing. We didn't know the speer for BT hip hop was gonna even get this big. It was an idea. Shot to Jesse Collins, and congratulations to Jesse Collins for doing real well with a new edition story. That was his idea and it blew up and did

really really well their big numbers. And Jesse's a good friend of mine. We argue and fight a lot over no it's wrong if you do it this way, you know it's right if you do it this way. We fight a lot, but he's such a good friend that we always find a compromise. When he brought up the idea of during the site for it was a one time thing. It was Papoose Styles, p Remy um, who

else was in it? Um rom Fest And then there was a second one and those two I couldn't make it because I was on tour, so I had they scratched fill in for me. I just gave him the beat and said, let's keep it break beat. Only you know because something now that's they elevate. If you're like, yo, man, I need them to turn up to It's like, no, this is the pure form of how we're doing with keeping the breaking Are you a producer on my pick

specific thing. I picked the beat a loop it, I'll do it maybe four James Brown loop break beat from Ultimate, Breaks the Beach, whatever, and I'll send those and whatever. One Jesse's like, yeah, I like this one. We'll clear it with whoever owned it, and then we'll send it to all the artists and we tell them sixteen bars and quick, so anybody's got ninety bars everything, And it's like they never follow the rules, and then they get mad, like, yo, they edited my stuff. It's like, no, he told you

sixteen and quit and again it was one time. Only second year comes around over the set cipher, they're like, we want to do it again. Now that they've got three ciphers. Then that turn in the Forthsifer's after that. Now it's starting to get ciphers where they're starting to put a lot of artists that I'm like, na, na, they can't rhyme, don't put them in there. And it's going into that stage of it now it's like whether

they're popular, they're no more known than the skilled them. See, I'm like, yeah, but if you're taking away the skill, that that causes problems with the authenticity. And that's where I have a problem because I wanted to stay aft ending. Yeah, but all the fans love them, and they're on TV and they're on every video, and he's other guys. Nobody's being attention to them, Like, well, you know what, They're gonna pay attention to some when they see how dope

they speach beat. So we always have that fight. One year, they said, Yo, what do you think of Justin Bieber spitting on the side? I said, I don't know, can with it as long as he writes the round, and if it's a dope round, let's do. He said, what if somebody else rights there? I said, no, blew into it with the rumors being saying that I mentioned this person this person. No, it was just that simple. If

he's gonna do it, let him spit. And and so the next thing you know, it's like next he's going to turn to the whole campaign is showing him spitting versus on radio stations and all that, and I'm like, yo, I work with Justin Bieber. As long as it's authentic, let's rock. I don't care if it's just people, I don't care if it's Mary Poppins. If it's authentic, let's rock. That's how important is that's? You, guys, very important problem

with that. I was like, yes, but just you wanted him to write that, yeah, And they didn't say that he wasn't gonna write. They say, what if he doesn't, And I'm like that No, it's he shows on the blog d the premier bands justin peoples like, how could I banned nobody? Because if it was my ciphers, You're gonna see Kane there, the Rock, Kim there, d I T. C during the whole cipher with a G and Diamond and and and the old see and all of them.

It's gonna be people like that, you know, because he was you see one shady cipher it was eminem you know, people with skills them Royce, Joe buden Uh crooking eyes skills. Know how important is that for you? For you guys, You guys, I have the integrity. You guys are top of the line of producers when it when we're speaking real rail wild hip hop, you guys name has to

be brought up now. Is Is it ever a time where you sit back and say, you know, I'm gonna do it for the money this time, or you say I'm gonna always stay who I am always say, and I've been tempted. A good example, but it's in our hearts today passionate about when we do man do it for the love saying it's like it's just that's who

we are. Staying on was a good example because when my manager kept pressing me to do it Patrick Marxy at the time, I was like nah, because I said, Fred Dust can't wrap it in my eyes on the level of what people, I don't want my fans going damn Preme you work with him and and I like left Biscuit for what they do, but if you're gonna get with me, that's not what you do. And that's to get a lot more inkor you know what I'm saying. And that's the bottom line. They go, well method man

is on the song. I said, oh word, I said, then send me the rough. He sent me the rough and Metho was on and I was like, then, okay, then I'll do it. And it was a big check, a huge check. He was one of the biggest checks

I've ever gotten. So the good thing I liked about fred Durst was he called me and said I need to talk to train and he was just becoming one of the new executives that Interscope with Jimmy Ivien and he said, yo, man, this is recently when we were back when when they popping and we were doing but he had respect for what. Yeah, and we had a dope conversation and it was to the point he said, the best you can get out of me, I'll do it.

He came to D and D and he tried. He tried with nobody, nobody got no, nothing, and they were big at the time. This is a sex second album and he was like, Yo, get the best you can get out of me. I don't care if you don't like it. Whatever, I'll do it. And he that was the best I can get what's on the song. But the fact he put the effort in. I like the fact he put in the effort and he knocked it out. Next thing, you know, he said, Yo, we're doing a video.

Flew us out. We had a big video shoot. We had a good time and it was just just a really really fun session and and me and Me and Fred were cool after them. Before the thing is today you guys mentioned Dwick and we didn't go back to do it because Troy is one of the biggest ever be and it's one of the biggest hip hop records. We need to hear. We need to hear the story of Dwicks. The only reason why Dwick happened, because that's

all of our summer anthems. By the way, like we all the Nicest Mood did a song called on the End, Ain't a damn thing change called down the Line. It was with a whole bunch of mcs bass blast big up to him, a whole bunch of Auto MC he said, bass blaster, yeah from Connecticut, including and shout the ray pouncey and uh ray Pousse and uh and then uh, Google's also on it. He said, I want to loop the Manifest beat into my home version because a lot of people don't know most of the nicest move hits.

Greg Knights does all the beats. Yeah, wow, I didn't know that. I've seen him doing. He he for all that stuff, hippop, John Kies every every yeah, sorry, all that kicking wicked rounds like a fort time had a dog on this old Yeah, he did all that stuff. Yeah, the knife for me to make him right now like Punky bu all that stuff. Lets plays at. I know he doesn't play a tax remember brand from myself and played a fucking sack. It worked a little to Max. You know, he did all those beats so is a

dope beat making. Yeah, so he took the Manifest instrumental May the beat. And all we were doing was because we just hang tough. It was nicest fool gangstar riding a d train. We go to the castle which was grimy and the bronze and this was when they had to shoot. That was like Greg all that time, like we were around all that stuff. Boom, next thing, you know. Uh, we we said, well, let's return the favor into a record fuss. So that's all. It was, just y'all do

one for us. We're gonna do one for you. Hunt that's doing on there. That's why it was the B side and it wasn't on the album. I remember people are like, oh yeah, y'all left you off the albums, Like, nah, the album was already done. We're just doing it for fun, right we was, and that became a huge right now. We didn't know it's gonna be the huge. We're just doing it in I remember you'd be shout, yeah, I know, shout to dub C. He was there. Aren't you related

to to somebody on the west like that. No, we're just good friends. We're just good friend. But you did album m c A recently. Yeah, that's coming out of huh and that's a track let's go back and most wanted. He did two of the uh theme records for Boys in the Hood. He did and he did She's on my own everybody side, So yeah, we haven't we haven't

out hit, we haven't want hite. We have which way is west camera that's coming soon and also think about yeah yet out of the connoss and we you know, people know uh and then uh shout to Tory Wolf and also shout to Miguel. We have a single out right now called to Loving You. Now. What happened was where we wherehere we do wick so dub she was there. Wow, that's Don Aaron from the Masses of Sundre. Yeah, because he was a good friends with Greg Night. Question though,

how did the horny version happen? To the wick I was just doing that, just sucking out and to the horny version, horny version but as a vocal version had a glitch. And remember you when you go to dad the dada. So when we bounced, we stay quiet, let them and had to remember glitches we couldn't. I was like, we can't put it out like that's why I just put the instrumental on that on the B side of A twelve. Wow. When did y'all know you had something

with Dwick? Like, I mean immediately when that ship came out when we finishing it was crazy because like I said, dove C is from the West Coast, wearing scullies all in the heat of its connection and and khakis and and Pendleton's all hot and I'm just like, yo, you ain't hotting all that stuff, because that's how it is in the West Coast. And that's how I learned about the West Coast. It was night nine. Master As had just joined our states was heavy doing the car show

stuff on the web. I knew Sun Night already back then nine he was and he was hanging over. So I was there with J J Fan, the n w A all that stuff, Me and He's he came to the first Gang Star release party in nineteen eighty nine with the kids. Yeah, rescipes, So we met them back in eighty nine, so you know the dove C to be there back then. That shows we go to and recipes or his brother who passed on January. Now Ice Cubes, DJ,

Crazy Tunes, that stuff. When we set them off right here, we had an incredible homegoing service and family man, seeing all these west goes on from King t and then seeing you know, Chuck dn l L then and everybody and and you know, just every artist and hip hop family. It was so packed in and they just did it right, you know what I'm saying, playing dope music in the church, playing flashlight and doing a whole college of all the

people he's been around on a video screen. And and and then even when it did to everybody's got a little signed the show tunes, throwing up the w looking up to the style with it with clouds and wings and all that stuff. And I was like, yeah, yeah, you see, No, he's trying to get two year fifty. You're very smart about how you do things on TV. Welcome to play It, a new podcast network featuring radio and TV personalities talking business, sports, tech, entertainment, and more.

Play it at play dot It. We're back to Drink Champs Radio with Rapper and R and d Jes. Then we are with two of the best producers of Walls, the best in my best and um, I'm going to celebrate you guys life, hey man, which I'm gonna get to I can't believe, like I continue, I gotta come back and a little black because it's is. This guy is a vinal guy. He's a real hip hop person. I am hip hop persons. For us to come together and want to commemorate hip hop, salute hip hop, and

for it to get twenty five million. Shout to Revolt Man for big. I'm CBS, TBS, CBS first, your boys been and they're coming home, all coming crazy. When you go, you go to l A, you gotta prepare. Know. I'm doing screening screening at the l A Film School March ninth, but March on Revolt As is the premier Coming Home Vietnam. I'm going to different countries and exploring hip hop different. The dope thing is, I've been watching Drink Champs for a minute. You don't feel like I've been checking on

Drink for a minute. And Uh, it's just ill how how the two of y'all are from really different, totally different direction. I've known Nori from the streets, like we've been streating for so long I've seen him elevate from the street level of ramen to the sharper version of writing rhymes. Even when you and Bubby had jump drama and then we end up doing a record together and me together. And even when that happened, it wasn't even if this he was just like, yo, I'm a band

of Nori. He did want him to elevate it ROMs because I'm a band and where everybody knows Freddie Fox and being where he is more into. There's certain people he's attracted to for what they represented, and he loves Noria and and more than this MC as a person, he's a big, big fan of you. Pick him up.

Pick him up because he pushed me. He told me from the beginning of like if he had mentioned my name and the record, he told me, like, I just I don't want you to say what but I'm gonna be honest keep it when I would call it super thug, all right, That's how I used to count bars. I used to say what what what what? What? What? What? He said, what what what? What? What? What? What? What? What? What? Three?

Because I'm from the resource from you know what I'm saying education, I told for real, I said, they're gonna laughing me. He said, that's the hook. But he was a genius. He was because was take out the ones like when I said what what what what? What? What wanted? All he did was muted and then so that I gotta give it to the real Yeah, he muted that. So now when you listen to it, you're here and you say what what what? What? What? What? What? What? Just but yeah, this day you don't even gotta go

to the verse that tears the club. Yeah, was important. And when I was trying to say was when I did it, I felt what Buppy felt. That's why I took it personal, because I felt I told for I said it for brow all we need is hard. I said, all we need is because, you know, for the research. So you know, I'm sorry. I used to tell up and he said relax. We didn't say relaxed, but in my mind and I would never forget that we were

in right track recording studios. But this chain was choking him, choker, like you gotta release because it was just so tight on this click. I love him, Hello, who knows for real? I'm very upset, but I love you and me and Mr Lead Chicks. So I remember, I'm going upstairs. What I saying, You remember right track? Remember right? So I what I'm saying, and I said, all we need is the hook and were good. He said we got the

hook already, and I looked at him. I was like, because I had previously did that every other record before. Then we got mad. But Joe, the first time I ever heard you do a y and just the whole blah blah, my wife, it's like, that's your stands. No one knows that your owner. But that's the reason why I gotta give it, because he was the nigger like I did that as ball because because remember back then. You gotta remember back then, we couldn't punch in the

record in one day. And it was even ye out here. But listen, I'll be fifty one one and you so, so I did this ship. That's how I always recorded. My record was all the way too, because we remember we had the eight inch rails back the two whatever you think it wasn't. So I was trained to just late everything altogether. So I came out and then he had the girl coming, and then the girl was saying, which is not kellless because everybody does everybody think it's Kalisi?

It's not Colliso? What everybody? It's not? Get she was around during that time, Yeah, but everybody thought was it. I'm so sorry that for the Remember her tammy is definitely a tammy. Sounds like something like that, right, that was like that that We were all cool, Calice, but look a little come back out and I'll say, all we need is a hook? Have we done? And he said we got dog? And I said, where is it that? And then he flayed what they're gonna laugh at me?

So I Freddy vos name at me. He's like, I don't want to hit the what but he didn't know that wasn't it literally wasn't me. So I was literally mad, mona, what's going on? Tam on that drink? Chance, God, damn it on them damn in my mind shout out to damn near. So. Now listen, you gotta see hip hop. You worked with cool Arts, you worked with C. L. Smooth. Now I'm going in So now what makes y'all say

I'm gonna work with people outside? Oh? Because the thing about hip hop back then was one producer did the whole album. I'm working on going back to that one producer did the whole album Now You Got, You Got, You Got Almatic where it's Pete Rock, Chip Lars, Professor Ellis. Then you're going to at the big LB Lord for ness. Uh So what makes y'all? What makes y'all say I'm gonna work with people outside of my group because we're not just We're just not in a hip hop box.

We're in a music box, and the music box has all styles that we appreciate based on the cloths were cut from a pioneers that opened the door when it's fired. James Brown boots the whole Parliament funk. Yeah, just any of that from parlt the Brothers, anything, Bootsy anything, Parliament anything, George Clinty, that's an error. After James Brown, that's so funky, you know a lot like like that. That's a funk that that enough funking, Like he says, funk not only

moves it could remove. We come from that, you know. So I read the Franklin, Natalie Cole, Gladys Night in the Pivos, Curtis Mayfield, all that stuff, the Mac all that stuff. That's my childhood. I don't know about the hip hop to hippie hippie. I'm on that. I'm seeing my mom playing back to Yeah, Dinna rules, anything about Town, Tamler,

Gordy Soul records, any of the stuff. My mama A time you want to make he Rooster saying but my child his platform shoes Afros this big Afro, Shane commercials, but Johnson Um good times, the Jefferson's all in the family. You know the monsters, that's my mom. Uns, that's my mom. Yeah, I'm gonna throw something in there. What's happening? That's my my racking stuff all that, you know, all that, Yeah, roller skating, we run, we run, That's what I know.

This is no rapping and scratching. Yet, what is Pete Rock's favorite studio session of all these years? My favorite studio session that I've ever had, ever happened. It was probably had been with run DMC. Down with the shout with the king, Oh, down with the light. That's how it was crazy. That's the owner of this club and he's not gonna like and we had to like, so ill yo, we want the gang start tour last day and right and run called us and said hurry up

and get hit. We did twenty five million trees while was I like one that we did not and we did not into and it ain't even perfect. And we came over the way y'all was and everybody was gone. You know. I gave CBS this idea, though, come on, bro, I give him that idea. You gotta relax, came them. I said, we need a streaming clack. No, we sat in the podcast, buddy, We just said podcast. I gotta go with him. He feels more sober than me. Yeah,

I don't know if it's a d J thingy. You can we have a memory jay Z. Jay Z saw me one day. Jay Z said, Yeo, I'm gonna call you memory man. You remember every sort you're seeing jay Z and he'll he'll go, but you remember this time, I'll say, I remember we went and we were in Paris. We had a show like two in the morning and he was doing the uh this after the justin Timberlake tour and watch the throw who was doing the Holy Grail tour. We found out he was in town. Me

and Keeble or whatever Keebler was at. I said, you'll want to go see jay Z before reach out. That's when he was still no. Now this in Paris, Paris, and we got a little to a couple of little time. Once I want to go to the show, I reached out to the proper people, and it was like, Yo, John when he was a Johan nearly reached out to John and nearly he's handling everything. I reached out to John, send him an email. I'm like, I'm out of here. Anyway we can go to the show. I'm thinking I

ain't gonna respond. I think blipped in like two minutes. He said, Yo, there's gonna be passes waiting for you. All access. Come backstage. I'm gonna spot for you. We go backstage after the show. Uh because Timberland was d dam form. We go back stage after the show. Jay Z goes, all right, we'll remember you got this time because I introduced him to keep my tour man. He goes, yeah, he did. Like he's like, how are you doing? He's like, how you doing? Keep it? Nice to meet you. You'll

know what you gotta memory this time? I said, you met Keebler before he goes, oh, no, how I said, we were at battery, uh Baseline Studios and uh Loupe if Fiasco was auditioning for you and he had on big chain. There's a Loupe I Fiasco had a big chain on with a big metal which he would never do right, and he was rapping for you know. Then he eat much more focused on another level. But come on, drink to shout the first and fifteen. So he goes,

he's auditioning for J. Jay's listen all these rhymes. Lupe puts on a beat in the CD player. The CD starts to go do do you know when they skipped? Loupe goes and then it's finally stops skipping because I goes back into the rhyme. We're like, right there, Jay goes, I totally remember that day and you know him and keep loving. They're going to talking about sports, you know, makes for that. Now there's a deal like we're not in to view people. I like to, you know, dig

into their life when I know the people. The people I don't dig into their life because I know them. I record both of you guys. I know all right now, I know exactly what to ask you. But the thing about y'all which surprised me is y'all both come and y'all both do your own sound check mandatory, And so what I'm asking, is I always what I always should think, like you guys who have a DJ, but he don't do. So we were talking about this and yeah, I was

so like, He's like, they're doing that's sound we've done. Joe. I'm like, y'all make sure that even everything, he's gonna make it right. Every show speakers somehow they got a bull. I got to do sound check. I don't care even if I don't get to eat sleep, I'm starving, take a nap. I will not miss sound they produced because a lot of festivals you gotta just plug in check. I'm like, yo, it's got a bang, and I'm going to deliver what you paid to get. Get what you

paid for. You're gonna pay to get me again. And you want your beat to be heard right, so you don't never sing like your assistant or nobody you. You guys said, we'll check it again before we start tonight. But other than that, now I wouldn't even see the working rumlers like, so, I already have a picture of what I'm stepping into when the crowd is here. But but you gotta let him in. Do what you gotta do if you want to do it. He wanted to

do it. I see if if premoted in. Yeah, he was like yo, he said, he said, you didn't stay there, he would hip open up for himself. He wouldn't. He wouldn't, dude, he would have done another hour and we would like, Yo, Pete, come on is a bad thing? Yo, Pee, come on on the road where I'll get mad and not in a bad ways like Pete. I'm at the record store. We were here. We were in Tokyo one time and we're about to miss our plane and he goes, I

gotta get this record. You're like, I'm not missing my play for you, especially on the day you're finally going on and you know, the day you're going home. You're just so ready to go back home. And we've been out for like a week in another country, and he's like, yo,

I gotta get this record. I'm like, dogs, if we do not make this plane because of you, we're gonna And that's actually how the whole Pete Rock versus Premiere things started because of that day we got on the bugle said, you know what, man, we need to make an album. When we get our attention now to make an album. Going at the other making Hills, y'all doing the album. We're gonna do an album called p p VP P goddamnts record that record. We're doing that about.

I have a website that let's carry the hats. So now say the website again. Premiere was here dot com dot com to ye and just go to the shop section. It has all official has all official gang Shot products, all official Google products, all official Premiere products. And me and Pete share the hats and we have green, red, blue, black, grand black. We have two t So what happened when

y'all saw this battle individually and japan Us? No, no, I'm talking about when y'all saw the just blades and honestly everybody acting like that was the first you know what because we've been doing it so much. Yeah, it was more like, alright, cool, and this is ain't the first battles again, other they've done it before. No, no, not no, this is the first one. Kanye. Yeah, some of you it's a drink chance because they don't drink.

That's different from yeah, no, y'alls is like y'alls is like, yeah, the couture, but the next day they trying to post in that me and you need to do it. I'm like, we've been doing you've been doing it. It's like y'all missed. They need to do a normal hip hop and story. And I know, but what did you and what was your first thing when you when you heard that they battle and swiss? I have the phone. Who's my phone that I'll show you to come? Yes, kay, we believe it.

Actually we are. We're waiting. I forgot, I got, we got y'all man drink n close until day to nine. I remember when you did the remix to it. I got them. I don't know, but but it's from the perspective of what we think is hot. And I remember when you did the remix to Uh Jose he's calling the name picking up you did with with uh what was the name? City board d Look at you? You did Veron, you did the first I gotta stop. That's definitely definitely more passed to me. Now, Yes, yes, yes,

I played. I said I played your version more than fab shops Fabuse Fat. Fabris is a dope lyricist and knows how to do club records, radio records, and still have a really clever way of writing his rhyme love fab and I'm a big fan of his, but your version fit more of the format of what I represent the most grimeest money, Like you said, clean shoes, I

don't like. Your version was the one I played. So we're on every Friday night from Temper on the midnight Serious X. I like radio Channel forty four, hit by Nation, and uh, what I represent is the era of the eighties with Molly Marl, reddlers, chill out. Also imagine Mi justin, yeah, just chucking, like just in the two thousand era or whatever year we're in. I still keep it to that. And there's so many artists to have hot stuff out

that will never get played anywhere else. So I'm like, I'll play it, send it to me if I like it, and it's on at that level, it's gonna get broken and and and that way, not only do you trust me, you also start to focus on you know what, if he's playing it, it's got to be real and that's really what it is. So all of that, but now the just blades Swiss beasts. So it happens, I acting, I'm on my way to the show and Swiss is texting me saying, Yo, I like you to come check

this out. My shows on from ten to midnight. They're starting at ten o'clock. He's like, yo, man, I really like and I would have gone definitely. I definitely would have gone. But I'm not abandoned my show because again it's live. It's my favos. Prerecorded cool. Live is a whole different animal. A lot. Live is when you have

when I scripted nothing, We just roll. You know what I'm saying, And when it comes to how we do it, everything just flows from minute to minute, second and second beat, two beat, voice to voice him on just the realness of hip hop from my perspective. So when it came to Swiss Beats and uh, just blades doing doing the show. As soon as I got off the air, I checked my Instagram and saw they were live. I don't want to Swiss Beats. I clicked on it. I want to see my man d d Rectangle, who was one of

the dopest Battle dus ever. You make the Scratch final. Yeah. I go to his show to watch him do a body gig and I'm in there with my phone going, um yeah, two in the morning. I'm like, just still on from clock and I'm doing this looking at him a little bit and they switched it over. Now I just got the bell me and the guy said, yo,

just plazing them still battling. It's almost two in the morning and I'm sitting there doing this in a corner and the club where it looks like I'm like a sort of thumb, but I'm like, no, I'm watching and check it out because I want to see what they're doing to battle, because they started pulling our beats. So that's what I'm like, Well, you're still a fan of the coach. You like that. I will remain because you

know why, I think. I guess being from Texas, I wanted to be accepted by New York because at the time I came, if New York didn't except you, it didn't matter where you were from at that time. Being that acceptance. I got that acceptance from the greats. I wanted E. P. M D To love me. I wanted Big Daddy came up Camp Arrest one. I wanted Grandmaster Flash,

Molly All Motherfucker's better be on there. It was DJ J d J, you became Jazzy, jeff Um, Cash Money, d J Scratch, and I just wanted how E t S. Yeah, I smoked. I did earlier. No, let's just say earlier was to work. That was recent. Sorry, this guy, I told you fifty years old, you stay shot. Shoot, you gotta look at this is when you know you're on point. Never has any drugs that I've ever used defeated me and very important. At fifty, I'm on my level. You

got to take a Molley though. Let's take a momy broid. That was junior. No, no, no, no, that was eighty one when they was called Black Molly and that was the own. Oh my god, this black Molly. What didn't you put us on like I would like a black all that stuff Now it's just it's like that's not mobile jumble stuff now, you know what I'm saying. So, like I said, this is my high school days. So

my high school days. I graduated in high school eight four, okay, So imagine our era of of getting lifted and you're looking good and we're gonna respect you. I just started training again, the big black. I'm getting my You know I love food, man, I love I love ice cream. Shot. That's the first time the podcast, that's all. And that's when you go to ice cream, you go the best when you get coops in the coup. It ain't official

to you take the Hersey syrup. You can't when you when you make a wooler, you don't want to see no green. But you know the green is in the blood. That's how you do it. Let's go. That's the level drugs, you know. So I just make it the only thing I listened to. Maybe just from that, we've lost, and we've lost to all different things from being shot, being the bad disease and eating bad health, all that stuff. It let me know I'm here for a reason. I love your life and fix your life to be able

to have a longer life. My parents at eight years annoys. My parents, my dad's ad eight They got and they got issues, but they're still kicking. My father makes all the food. He's like, get away from stay out of my kitchen, let me stay, get on my way. I want to be eight doing that. But I guarantee they never did the black Molley. You don't know that just this way with the black Molley. Im I was in school. When I was in high school, you get talking about

black Molly was sixteen and I was sixteen. That was only one ecstasy, only one way two that was already Yeah, okay, yeah, I'm forty one. Damn, what the fun a white man? But you're about cool over here? Bro? Why is that a surprise? Yo? Dude? There was only one ecstasy was called this uh, this would right, this would yeah, and it was it was called ecstasy. Yes, but DA wasn't popping,

So I didn't know that you weren't around during that time. No, no, no, I was talking about I'm ten years older than you, so you gotta relax. Eighty one. I graduated high school in eighty four three. I listen, listen. There was like one style of stc one style of milley. That was it. There wasn't all twenty and there was all that. There wasn't really bear and cherry cherry juice and all these funny names. And you smoke cocato. Cocaine was more of

smoking cocaine. But it's called cool. It's called crack, no wool, it's crack. And we also a cool cooly. It's cool cop cigarette. How are you yell? It's yeah, seventy seven, it's all goods. Having the blackout. I was there in my grandom, but I was there staying with my grandfather. Got during those days, it was only one of each side. That's why when I see what's going on now, it's like, damn, man, these people were so lost because there's all kinds of

weird ship flow. Now I don't want to be around none of that. You know, we're around the pure. And again that that's kind of like the hippie seventies hallucinogens. It was the time and all that the the the but those beat you was making the bit of the body called give the drugs a little bit of props. We just have to be in. You know, you're the only guy that makes for draws. I'm not making no drugs.

But but again, I'm glad that drink. I'm glad that I understand the concept of that era because understanding it and understanding where your cut off point is, you don't need to rehab. You rehab yourself with your mind. I've always said that to control yourself. And I know when can't controlling to draw myself, that's too much. Go back to normal. And then that that that's how people can wonder about you. But they can't say, yo, my man is lost, he's gone. You can never say I'm gone.

I'm always here. That now he was recently beefing with Time. What from you don't even know who all of us from my times describe what happened. Ain't you dissatisfied with the um He's not, He's not. I'll say this. I had a little I listened. I had a little coosy verse situation. Oh that was you. Yeah, But first I wasn't offended by that, right, I be offended that he

don't want to wrap to that. If that's not what you want to rap mass Field, that's not really a big and it don't make sense for no makes sense for him, don't make sense for him. I have other games I beat you can wrap to freestyle about. It wasn't massive pill it was it was it was it was memory man in there. I saw it too, and what happened described because I'm not rapping to that. So he said, why is that wrapping the breakbeat? Listen? Twitter started blowing up on my Twitter. He started to get

out of hand. Everybody disinal. Then he joins him, So I want to see what he says. So I checked his traffic because I gotta make sure I'm on point before I do anything. You always got to stay focused on being on point. I know who I am. I don't never want to be looked as a person I got played ever and are not going to be looked that way. Absolutely. So when I checked the thread, I was like, yo, yeah, because it's getting out of hand. My fans are going hard on him, like, yo, you

know that they're doing with this? Yeah, they want to kill him. Yeah. So I'm like yo, out there, I'm like, listen, pick up to him. Man, he ain't get around to that. If he don't like that, he doesn't like that, that's what I put He's then wrap what he feels like. It's comfortable. So that made him join in and said, yo, d m me. We damned each other. He said, listen, man, anything I can learn from you put me on. And I said, you know what, really know, I said, I'm

join with you. My fans may get mad, but the only none because the difference is the same thing. I'm not gonna make a record that's that I can't let leave the studio to me and him on the same level. It's like, yo, wait today, better, You're not gonna compromise yourself. You're gonna work. No. But but that's the let me tell you something let me tell you something. When you work with Pream, you work with Pete. These brothers are so professional. All you gotta do is sending the vocals

and then relax. Skills that I turned into my own skill. It's not biting them. But he's like, you know, that's how you do it. And I was like, how do you reminisce? I was like yo, but I was like, how are you making that? I was like, how are you making the base get fuller and mimic the sample? He said, it's the same sample, but I feel it. I'm like, but how do you do that's come up? I'll show you, but don't show him. He showed him, like, so you turned it to that same thing we have.

But I never knew that part of the equipment he said, turned into that. I started doing it ex Girl, the next girl. That's my joints to all my relationships. So when he goes in that part, where does it go muffled? I sent it to Pete to make sure I was doing it right. I love my wife, I believe in myself and all that stuff, but I wanted to make sure I was doing it right, so I sent it to him for approval. I go yo, Did I do it right? He goes low. That's gonna be a hit.

It was a hit, big hit. So when you come back right there shows you that the respect for what he was doing. Before I even knew how he was doing it, he was willing to show me the trick because he knew. He didn't take it like all, No, he wouldn't beat my fight my style. Let me let me ball that tool. And then when I applied that tool, it wasn't a fight. It's just another another extension of what he taught me. That's why him law professor show

is all my three mentors. And again Molly mar didn't show me anything in person, just what he did commusic with your mouth BIS. Nobody beats the BIS road to the ridges. A lot of people in the circle have said they've given them them the I gave him that record. That's all good. He did the that's what it's all about. Who made it bounce that way? Who made your echo sound that way? Who made your voice sound funky that way?

Molly did it, And that's all that matters to me because that's what makes me be premier in order to be to stay doing it the way you do it for the rest of my life and in my past. And it's because of how I study a great one. So whatever you brought to him is what you brought to him. He still made it glow. The gurus always say that you and Eddie Sancho make everything glow. He said, I just laid my part down, but you make it

light up. Molly makes things light up. So when no matter what you bring him or you gave him everything, he made it light up. Or without the light, there's darkness. I want to be in light. What don't think about like the separation of sampling and hip hop? So now, I mean does it matter We understand the rules and

the sample of all. I mean, I understand the sampling and financial you just it takes away the soul me personally, I think sometimes it don't you just get illow with your sample well now and cutting it so nobody knows what it is and if it's bad, but it's still sampling. Is you might go and just get you're still sampling, Yeah, following jo booprint, which is what? Yeah, I mean we're

lost because we're not records in little little movies. Oh like we know now that the safety zones versions, and then there's just the point where we gotta do it. And it's really that that that had important. Now I just now, no, we got no money, we can't clear anything. Don't tell me that you're in trouble. Like I said, he taught me scratch. Folks. If you just listen to a lot of my joints, this is me scratching that

crazy you were doing radio already with Molly Mall. I'm like, damn, this new guy, Pete Rob he's nasty because Molly had a certain scratched hour show. This out there kind of foul. N I'm gonna smoke with camel crush in our face because no good. Just give us cancer people win, White people like lucky strikes. You got moornaments. You gotta funk with the white monaments. Twhen you leave it, you're good

is white and the white person. When we did the record, the record that we did together, I say, I think that I was the first person to ask you to cut up Gurus vocals. Wasn't see me everything right? Was the person? I don't know? No jay z j Z did you don't know, But after his death, that's what I'm saying. Oh yeah, yeah, okay, said you sent me everything? Yeah no, he had hosted mad Men States from me and I was honored. Yeah yeah no DJ yeah no if it was Google, DJ was damn you remember really

isn't back that ship. I have nothing against him, have ill memories. I apologize fact, but there's no apology needed when you had this, So apologies policies don't get that only sold one million records, so you have twenty You think it's about to stop listening, Jessy, but Google, who passes away? Yeah? What's what? What's this man head name you gotta saying? I can't say because no, no, no, no, not even the yeah, holy ship. I don't know what's

going on right now. You helped me out. He don't deserve he don't deserve to be it said from it's not a good person in France. No, No, that's two different Ones's solar as so LUs another solo. He's from friend, he's dope, that's my dude, right, so it's another solar together of course, all right, so we got to clarify that.

So Long I'm so sorry to actually, as you say, but so Long makes these claims and then with his premier standing on all the type of stuff put to you like this, um people could yeah, say what they want to say and all that type of stuff. That's all cool because I don't have nothing to say when it comes to that. But if old Boy does anything, then I'll have a lot to problem symbol and play. That's my Belichick moment. Heard you, that was Bill Belichick.

Anything was done, Chris Green, we love you, we love you back, and we love you and everything you meant to hip hop and then you know it was it

was a funny moment. Everything I mean that I'm you know, everything you I apologize, you mean the hip hop and you know, it was a funny moment for us in hip hop when we got to hear like you know that's like yo gangster and you know, and the intention then this guy and we never because we It's similar to how Pun like when Pun died, I walked to his casket and they told me, I said, all the jewels, because I thought the most funeral homes the caskets at the front up. His was in the middle of the

middle of the middle of the lord. So when I walk in, was like, oh, he's right there, right there, And the casket was I've never seen a casket like this. Okay, I've never seen the cas casket was short and super duper, and he had all his TSS chained around his hands and it looked like he was kissing the sky because the lip would puck it up like. That's my point.

My point of bringing this up was when I when I went to punts casket, people told me that punching suff that something up punched suffering, and that now he's in a better place. And I didn't. I didn't know what people meant. So when I heard, you know, Google pass, yeah, and never I've never seen Google suffer. Nah, so either either. So everything was just a strange not just me, everybody, and not like if not the fans, who we are massive,

it's ains to everybody. Is strange to me, the strange to the fans because oh boy, don't know my man like I know my man. We know him. Well. If I really wanted to grade dude on a five quiz question, there, I guarantee you'll fail. Every answer simple and plain because you had to really really really really really really really really know my duty. So you will fail. I can watch you right now and make every little sad simple questions.

Not hard on simple questions, He's going to fail. And it's gonna also be multiple choice ABC A D. I'm not gonna pick the right answer. And I know this because I know this and I know him. I know both of them. So that's why I don't entertain them. Because anytime he wants to ever go there, I'm here. If I'm not here, I'm here. Um you feel me damning premier right now. And now we'll not say his name. It's not worthy of because hip hop needed to hear that show. Hi, Hey pop really need this. How can

we make them do that? When things is the right move? I know what it is. How about the right people around me, from legal to my management to my artists, for me even being in the street, I have a stream mentality that keeps me grounded. And I have a dog, mom and dad and sisters and niece and nephews like five year old son, who's my dude? Shout to his mother. She's point everybody like, we're that connected on making sure we don't ever funk up with the social media stuff

making us up like we're fools. Ain't going out like that. I'm premier that the mother. Yeah, listen, I'm gonna be honest. I'm gonna be honest with me and this guy to the right of me started this. We sat down and we said, we want the only give love to the legends, the legends at hip hop. You guys are the impitot me of let this is, this is the pinnacle, and I can't. I can't thank you enough, Like you know, both of you guys that gave me beats and that's

crazy about this thing about it. I still can't do that. Still, yeah, yeah, I still owe you both because I love you. You don't nah, I love you guys because I've been starting. I'm starting to give yourself with that beating that mean tonight. Please give me that crazy man, y'a dude, I was kind to Pege. You got here. Give me because I want Pete to know, so up the club. I really want to do this for your album, Pete. For man. If it wasn't for you, guys, I probably wouldn't have

a childhood, no doubt. And this is real ship. And that's real ship. I really love joints that we love. I want the first time I heard it, Okay, it's don't swish not only killed that smash everybody on that song. I wanted to do a posse cut. You know what happened. I wanted to do a posse cut your body that open. Whoever gets crazy ship, whoever goes first to me, and whoever goes last has the most. I wouldn't last. That was that or because right now listen, really do have

to punt. It was nature pun cam What what you wanted? I'm the last? Yeah? What what all you wanted? That's what I wanted to do, dude. But you know what, my whole life, my whole career makes sense. I have a question if it wasn't for you, I have a question on that song. He said, that's why I'll never do a song with you. Was that directed anybody? Or was that just hat you're talking about somebody? Bro, he's

super fatty. I know he was. Somebody was directing somebody, oh, because you know, it can also be universal just somebody I know this guy. That's why I'm not it was like Joseph on the block. It's very true because the thing about it is this, I'm very pretty prim I'm sorry. Sometimes you gotta beat. I'm very preddy, so I don't get ready time If you're trying to come up and you take a slight shot at me. I'm coming to

fuck us my body. You want the rack, which is very just might go that's what That's who I am when I met him. This is how he looked at and all these twisting ban on. He's at the front door. Yo, we got session up at d N d Yo for me and look your stuffy Jose Luise not weeks. How you doing. He's like, yeah, l A R l A l A was really bumping with a lot of d J at that time. It was early, so we don't

really know who he is yet. We just know who Littui's got that rock him around like m rules and around l A l A. That's my first meeting in him, not Pa Jose Louis to Noriega. He goes, who was in the wheats like like, don't forget a little dip is the reason why you got around and shoulder but the song was already out where like that's to do different and that's the verse that made me. I can't believe you know I got We just did a beat for you right now. Yea, let me tell you something.

You know what we gotta do something where we make a beat together, which we've never done. We start things that dreat near that right now, because you know, you know, you know, you don't know if you're not you know, I don't know if you know. I don't know if you know. But wherever state you at, I'll fly there like that and I would just like thank you for lace and black poets out the black print. No no problems body that verse. But this is the reason why

you're so much of important producer. You can go and you can work with Caristina and I got and then you can turn around and you still care. I love music. Listen, I love music. I love listen. I love That's what it is. I like I like messing with all styles of music because I am into country, blues, gospel, rock, past, yeah, prave. You is the tea you ever drink? Leans? Yeah? Yeah, screw by the way, but but the Leans. But even that,

that's when it was like now's an epidemic. Was an epidemic then, and it was something that you just did every occasion, like going out to a bar in Heaven. I don't drink every day, you know, I got I got work to do it, a business, a hand or I stay focused from a five year old son. I'm focused, but I'm still question. We're about to open the car, finish his story. So I mean so a lot of the things again that are just out of control, are just way uh publicized, are promoted on a higher pedestal.

Already did all that stuff. It's about living past that and being able to still function on what's the matters that keep you in the longevity bucket. I want to be in the longevity bucket. I don't want to be in the you know you had your time bucket. My bucket want. I want to go all the way even again when I'm gone, it's still hot. The gang starts still hot, start still hot because I care about not just his legacy and a high legacy as as a team, but his son. He has a sixteen year old son.

I'm making sure his son to eating. I'm making sure your son getting everything that's his father, Tad. I don't think you the bone. I wouldn't deal right that. My motto is this, I can sleep at night. That's my mom That's the most important thing. Sleeping at night. Yeah, I can sleep at night. A lot of people you can. You don't understand that I don't have nightmares like anybody else, but my nightmares are clear from how I analyzed what I woke up to. You hand your business. Yeah, you

can sleep and love man. My mind is strong man. So I'm gonna end this podcast, but I can't thank you brother helping helping me. Both of you both routed me personally because my career couldn't be complete. I could never complete my career without having a peat rock beat, premier beat appreciation. Hip hop is what I want to continue to represent. I want to continue to stand by it. I can't believe twenty five million and I hate this guy right here a me Brouse. You knew you had

let me act. You should have told me on Wednesday. No, you just good friend. You deserve surprise, you Broser, you don't know that. Yeah, I love you. I can't believe just from him. You ask everything I do outside of hip hop. When I do hip hop, I keep it hud, keep it hood. Everything else I could do balance, slow songs, pop songs doesn't matter because I like that music too. Hip hop. I keep it, keep it hood because that's why I like to listen to it. When I buy it.

Drive to it or have my radio if you'll always either my radio. You guys are the bed rock. Please stay listen. If it wasn't for you too, brothers, I wouldn't have a childhood. Brothers. That's well deserved. What you got. It's better and you could say it was ain't on. Let's be on rap. This is a podcast. They should make it platinum though, why they make it go steps, it's not twenty five right, Let's let you know what you know what he actual's right, it should be, It's

should be. I'm just happy to be here right now, and let's give thanks man. The best producers of all times have just now sat down absolutely all to drink. Champs and Jim being jam. You're picking up Jim bumping, can't Chase cut the check and we would have one more shot yet shot. I'm saying he's going to because at the end of the day and we're gonna say and watching the battle, thank you. Because when I seen the battle and when I seen that this they said,

this is the first time excuse me, the whole thing. Yeah, I definitely have a shot. When they said that this is the first time, uh new stance is battled terrible. I felt terrible. They said that this is the first time to produce is first all, and I knew that you'all guys have done this. I knew that just Blaze actually had done it with Alchemists before, and so how want I wanted to actually big you brothers up because I understand what it is. But I also understand that

Swiss also knows the game. He's the student of the game. He never said that. He never said I love you, brothers. If you motherfucker's can't, if your motherfucker's gool don't work, you need to relax because these are two look up reducers of all fucking time and premiere of best reduces of all fun leake up find all your favorite movies and shows factor with Accinity just speaking to the excellent voice for most to search across live CD, on demand,

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