Episode 354 w/ Crazy Legs

This Middle Tammy, Crazy War Happy Hour, Drink Champions Chapter Hour, Make Some Now. When ME and e FN started the show, we looked at each other and we said, there's so many other platforms for new artists and for new outlets and things like that. We wanted dedicata to super legends, we wanted dedicated to icons, We wanted to dedicated to superheroes, people who have been doing this. When I was researching this brother that we were about to introduce, they said

that he started doing his thing in seventy seven. I said, holy hit. I said, yeah, I was born. This motherfucker has been literally doing it my whole life. Literally, He's a person that if you're Puerto Rican and you know how to dance, or if you just a hip hop if you are a hip hop period and you have a hip hop dance, I don't care what it is. It could be the stinky lag. It comes from him. He was the first person that made people and I imagine the thing, and then I found out he invented

the windmill. It's like talking to Michael Jackson right now. We are happy, a static, vigorous, enthusiastic to have a legend of a legend, an icon of an icon, a person that we all should throw flowers at his feet when he walked down the street, literally because his feet is crazy and his legs is too. So in case you don't know who the hell are you talking about, he told about the one the only motherfucker crazy. May

you represent me at my funeral? So you know what was one of the craziest things is no pun intend uh me seeing you on Letterman right like, um, I'm going back because I had no idea Letterman would even like do something like that, because how was it, for for lack of a better term, I didn't see be Boying at that time as being a commercial, like you know what I'm saying. I thought it was like some real,

you know, underground. So when seeing on Letterman or seeing that that, I thing like that, was that like a beginning of of be Boying crossing Oval or No? Yeah, we were there because of Flashdance, So yeah, that was like, yeah, what year? That's that was wild? That came out an eighty three Flashdance. So when we did Late David Letterman Show, I mean that was kind of wild. And I'm gonna sucking go all out today because I don't give anyone.

Let's go, let's go. We wrote, we get set up to do the show, and the dude that I was with doing the show was coming off of being high tonight before. We're like, oh shit, how are we gonna do these routines? Was it ascid? Was it ascid? Back then? What y'all was on my right? Now? Everybody did assid? Why? I don't, Yeah, but a lot of people don't see the boys as as stick up kids too. You know. We were living double line for sure. So yeah, so

it was wild. So doing that not knowing how that was gonna turn out, and and then, but the whack Ship was a while ago. After I see David let him in the restaurant and I'm thinking, like, all right, well he's probably cool. I tell away that, Hey, you know, I like to go say hi to him. Can you

let him know? He's like, no, because of that experience with you guys, huh No, it's just he's a dick whatever, that's him, right, So nothing happened on the show like no, no, And I was gonna heard you say I heard you. This is just like the third time I heard you say, Um, you didn't really like him when you was there? No, I didn't like him. Wow. Yeah. It was that that dry humor that I didn't get coming from where I come from, because I'm like, yo, this motherfucking stupid, you know.

And that's you know at that time, even though like you know, with dancing, and we were still we were running wild like the Central Park, rounding people and got the cent you going to fast? Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. So what you guys were there was you were what

did you do for the movie? Coup? Moving out? So we dancing flash dance at the beginning and then at the end, I actually doubled for her they actually they wanted me to um teach the girls how to spin on that back in twenty four hours, and I'm like that's not possible. So they ended up having me uh coming the next day like hey, you know, the director Adrian Line's like, hey, you know, would you mind dressing up as a woman or whatever Leah turning on its

all the stuff you keep your much stash or something. No. Well, first of all, I'm like this, I'm talking to dude like this. I'm like, y'all, you know that's money. That's the money signed. Like, I'm not even really talking to the dude. I just like fuck and ignorant bronx dude seventeen years old. And I'm like this in the dude's face and he's like all right, cool cool, And we wanted to shave, and I'm like, oh shit, man, I just keep doing that. Um And I just did it. Man.

I was just like fuck it, all right, did it? And I also also, like recently doing the studies, I didn't know that breakdancing was frowned upon. The word breakdown. Yeah that's what it is. Breakdown. Yeah it doesn't. So the word breakdancing doesn't come from hip hop It came from my former manager, Lady Blues, and she misspoken in a meeting and she was also a publicist, so she was the one we would just I mean we would man.

I was maybe sixteen and she did that fifteen and you know, she got a British accent, went from the Bronx. It was like breakthoughts. So yeah, it was just working with her, and but we didn't know that she was feeding it out there like that, and that's how it got into the press. A lot of people say the media made that term up when it was her. It

was her single hands in the end. Once they heard that was going, yeah, called back then viral, it was called now viral, like it made its way around and we had the most pressed back then, you know, for that period of time and what we were doing, nobody was getting more when Steady Yeah, so you literally like, let's just take it back to the beginning. You literally went on the first hip hop tour. Yep, I went on I went on Home Le Noise. Yeah, I'm sitting

there and I'm like, wait the fuck a minute. So because I gotta remember, everyone is thinking this is a fad at this time, right, everything everyone is thinking that this is black people's in Porto began people's version of rock and roll. It's not gonna be successful. It's gonna be just successful to them. But you guys wouldn't know this was this was not in a world to all. This was the first tour, but it was in America, right, No, no, no, So there was two tours. There was one. Oh sorry.

The first curated hip hop show for the sake of presenting it to the downtown scene was curated by a man named Henry child font Ok. And a lot of people confused the word graffiti rock with the Michael Holman show that was on TV with run DMC versus Treacherous three. Yes, so graffiti Rock was a curated show at a place called the Kitchen Center for Performing Arts in maybe nineteen eighty. Wow, that's a couple of years before the Graffiti Rock Show

on TV. And uh, Henry child font had got t Kid as a graffiti writer to do the backdrop rock study crew. We split ourselves up to perform a battle as two different crews, and then you have Fat five, Freddie H DJ Spy and just du Dame DJ Spying, Ramelsi, who weren't supposed to be there and I found out some dirt should I air it out? Whatever you want? Every child Fire told me that five to Fat five Friday, and I was trying to get like cold crush of fantastic.

So fred injected himself and his boys. He became and that's how he got this thing in terms of being a performer in the scene. The first swindle. So when you say the two first tours, okay, yeah, so that was so the Kitchen after that had a twelve city tour, so it was myself, Frosty Freeze, Fat five, Freddy DJ Spy and then it was just like a collective of like jazz and rock and pump artists going on the

twelve city tour between the States, Midwest and Canada. And then after um, after that we started performing regularly downtown. So the first curated club events four hip hop presented to the masses and being covered by like The Village Voice, New York Times, Daily News, all that stuff and just a certain energy. But to be clear, there's no mcs. There's nobody rapping on this tour, is there. Uh yeah, well you're talking about the Kitchen tour. Yeah, yeah, I

was Fat five Freddy. He was actually rhyman. I thought he was just like hosting him seeing it as a host. I'm just gonna say we were high a lot on that, but I don't really remember. But yeah, so you know, he was massive ceremonies and dropping a little round some rhymes. Um. And then this guy DJ spot was he was really dope. He's from Brooklyn. He was rocking out on the turntables. And then shortly after that we started doing shows in

the downtown scene. The first downtown club to ever have a hip hop curated show besides the Kitchen, because the Kitchen was a like an arts center, um was. It was a place called the Grill. The Grill. Then I got my nose red let something. You're still in my interview because look, I was about to say this is one of my questions, but way before before you told people because somebody's like, yo, but no ship, I'm like, y'all, nor he's good. He's good. That's it. It says the

Grill nightclub considered to be hip hop's first nightclub. Is that the truth? I wouldn't say that. I would say in terms of presenting hip hop to the downtown scene. Yeah, Downtown yeah, okay because because yeah, t connection, all the Bond ball Room acts to Seagar Ride, Yeah, all stuff, and then Harlem World. Okay, okay, okay, go the way that you're saying all this, it makes me feel like the dancers and the graffiti artists and the DJs were

more on the forefront at this point. Definitely easily Okay, yeah, let me. I don't want to get back to this subject, but fear of me if you can. Right, we know the five elements right of hip hop? Right, then hip hop starts to change, right. Get these corporations they come in some music of hip hop down, some don't. But this was about maybe ten years ago. Being Capale, we go to Europe and I would get where we're at

the story Germany. But I remember me going on the tour, and I remember before we went on the tour and the promoters, which is disappeared and they would come back and they would smell like old school crylns. Yeah, I'm sorry for y'all, young innocent here break hand yeah, And then they would be out there and they would have the cardboard and I would be like, did they do that just for us? And this was something that they did at their hip hop clubs every and this was, this,

was this, It wasn't that long ago. But why is it abroad people want to embrace the hip hop and the elements more than we do is right here created That's a deep question, man, I'm sorry now stopping me. I think I think none. I felt good about myself. I think because of it being very regional and like our New York hip hop state of mind, the way we came up and how we presented all the elements.

A lot of people who got it later on in the States only got wrapped, so they don't feel any kind of real alliance to the elements of hip hop. And even when you say five elements of hip hop, you know, originally it was you know, breaking the DJ and m seying, graffiti and de boxing, but then Bambado changed it to knowledge that of de boxing, which I thought was unfair. I'd say, just add the sixth one yeah as well, yeah, yeah, yeah, because so that and

that happened like early nineties when they changed it. Yo, But why does it? Why does the pure essence of hip hop live in other places other than it's more appreciative? Is that the word I should have been using. Yeah, it's definitely more I think I think people have you have you experienced yeah, yeah, right, It's like, yeah, I like that, But it's like, why don't do that home. It's my beef with loving hip hop? Like I said, it's not like they represent no, not at all culture,

you know what I'm saying at all. And that's the thing. Here in the States, the word hip hop is just it's wrapped music. By the way, I think it's the most hip hop as conversation we ever had on the show right now. So here's the thing. Okay, when we live it, I think we take it for granted, especially when it comes from people like us, and when people outside got a lot of corny ship to live through, Like you know, I don't think they go through the

same kind of pain. They embrace and they do the theatrical. I think it's more theatrical. Like it's even like with with dudes who who who spit rise when never shot a gun and they're talking about shooting guns or never been in a real beef, it's theatrical, like you know, for me, I know what it's like to be shot at and to pull a trigger, and I'm not trying

to celebrate that ship. You know. So with a lot of people, they think it's just like theatrics they're trying to put on this persona because they think it's so cool. But it's like, yo, my dude, Like, if you're gonna if you're gonna go out there and you're gonna dance and you're gonna try to look like a hard rop, you know you ain't really being you because you didn't you didn't have to live defending yourself worried about being fighting people every week. But that part was confusing to

me growing up, Ceing B. Street. I was scared of you. We were a while back. No, no, no, I'm talking about literally because the way you approached the lead like Lee, I related to Lee, and then the way you were just looking at him. I was like, this, dude, right, here's gonna hurt somebody like it looked like it looked like how can you not? Like obviously, I'm young, I'm looking at the time, and to me, be Boying was gangster like, I mean, wasn't it made to diffuse real? No? No,

that's some bullshit that New York City Breakers made up. Okay, that's yeah. So they sent the ball Masters that they were a gamn killing me bro. So the thing is they did they did that that show that that's incredible, And I think Michael Holman was kind of like steering the narrative when they when they were talking. I'm guessing I could be wrong, but um, look the dudes that that that put me in rock Steady. They were straight

up stick up kids. And one of them, you know, he's doing a life bed and his name rings bells in the system, you know, and um, but they were notorious and the Bronx, he's kind of dudes that when they were rolling up to a jam and co course sees the man whoever sees them, they're like, yo, what's something like? They're giving them that love. So shout out to Jimmy d and Jimmy Lee. You know. So those are the creators of Yeah, yeah, I got that my

notes too. But they were they were notorious. I wanted from one of the third Yeah, and uh, they used to hang around one eighty third and Davidson Cresting Crest. If you went to one eighty third and Cresting back in this late seventies, you were a stick up kid, talented, connected or stupid because you you know, you're not going there and leaving without getting stuck up. It's like when you went to the disco Fever. You went to the

disco Fever. It ain't like you know, I know, everyone talks about how great it was in there in the secret room behind the curtain where everyone's syniphon coke. But in order to get through that block, you're literally putting yourself on the line getting stuck up. And thankfully I never got stuck up, but I went up in there. You know, makes a noise. You never get stuck up. Yeah, I mean even we was always we wants to do it stick ups, right, because that's that's that's what I'm

watching the documentary. And you kept you kept h reiterated, and that you lived a double life like you got after the double life. One on one hand, you got would do a letterman, do a movie, do uh you know this? And and then or the other half actually stick it up. I think they said that you filmed a scene and since you park like at the same place we used to stick people. Yeah, we did an anti we did an anti drug commercial with Curtis blow

waight up high. I didn't know that that's what it was you did an anti drug commercial high yeah, in the same place you used to roll people. And it was it was directed by the dude from the Chicago seven what's his name? They did the commercial the film on him god legendary leader of the Chicago Seven at point for rights, right, But yeah, so yeah we did. I mean uh and uh beach Beach Street ant scene yea, most of us. I took up the battle scene on the rock that was the roxy I thought was, oh no,

that's a different one. But in the club scene, okay, again, most of us were like on acid. That's why I can't. I don't know why I can't image y'all that because everyone thinks because we did. I just didn't know. I think a different drug of anity. But it's cool, man, bro y'all must have been tripping crack them. But but the was the paper assid right, because they got different they got different ass Now you understand, like I'm just walking around us. Back then, we didn't brag about dirt.

There was no sense thing as like snitching on yourself like it is now on records, right, you know, so you didn't do that. You just you did your dirt and you shut up. You take shit to the grave, Like, yeah, I'm definitely taking a lot of ship. I'm not gonna lie to when y'all, when y'all, when I see when I see in the top of your Japanese risk, you gonna take all doing let's do it. Let's do it. So I'm so, but I'm not gonna lie to you. There's nobody in the world that could have convinced me

that that wasn't real. Like when y'all walked by each other like this this, I kid you not like I didn't know what cinematography was like, I didn't know you felt like it was like a documentary reality. By the way, I know for a fact that was y'all. Ray Joel, I know that that dog. Yeah, I know that. I know that now from knowing. But but back then me looking at that scene, I could not tell you. I could not tell you if y'all was acting. You know, here's a funny thing. We wore well, I think most

of us wore most of our own gear. I think your seat breakers kind of wore a lot of the Puma stuff because they were like the main group in the in the film. Right, But uh, yeah, I mean, you know, we have to show up, but I don't shit. You know, a lot of a lot of shit that they were putting out was corny, So we weren't trying to look like yeah, and thankfully we didn't end up looking like the Breaking movies where they're wearing fluorescent clothing

and all that other stuff. It was that, you know, you couldn't walk through that like that in the hood unless you were like a Madonna fan female. You know, I wasn't ready. And one of the things that I hear you frequently say is you said it was kind of kind of stop battating at one point because these guys were actually using your moves and using it against you.

How how could that feel? At first? So my dude, Jerry Fonton, as I was talking to him one day, he was like, Yo, rock steady for the nineties, rock steady for the nineties, and and you know, I was always thinking, like, Yo, what are we gonna do battle people who are doing my all moves against us? But and I was kind of upset with that. But then he was like, yo, my dude, like you gotta look

at it like this. You created something that people are doing around the world, right and in the hood were thinking like, yo, you're biting my ship, like yo, what's up? And I instead of being flattered by it, yeah, I didn't know how to be flattered by it yet. And then at that point I was like, all right, cool. But in the Bronx we had way more advanced moves than other people in other boroughs. So and I was going to use other burrows and they saw me do

what I was doing. They were definitely stealing. I don't want to say my ship because there was other people before me, and I don't I never want to like take credit away from them. But they took a lot of the Bronx style. And then you know, some people got it, some people didn't. But you don't get to be number one without some whack motherfuckers around. Of course, you know you gotta beat some people flattery, let's say,

flattery lemitation. But like you know, to ask like a cliche question like big Biggie Small said, did you ever thought that this would go this far? Like like the culture, like this commercialization? Because remember at one point being commercial was whack like if you like almost almost let me let me let me reiterate that. Not when we started, though, it wasn't considered whack that Okay, put us on because there was no industry for us. There was only opportunity.

And bro look, my first show that I got paid, I got paid well nine. The second show I got paid anything substantial, I got paid fifty dollars, right, and it was that that show at the Grille. And when I got that fifty dollars, you know, I grew up poor, right, so like like by the time I was eighteen, I had ten different home addresses and so when I had that fifty dollars and I was able to go from my school across the street to the diner and get

my own meal for the first time in my life. Wow, that you know, growing up in poverty, domestic violence, dysfunction, all that shit. That ship was everything to me. And not only that, it was the like, uh all up to all my people from the Bronx, but it was considered the burnt down bron Yeah, yeah, the boogie down bron I'm man, Frosty Freeze always used to call us, call us the boogie down and burn bron burned down the Bronx. Right, you know this, there's nice. The last

time you've been in the Bronx. I've went around. There's like a there's like a park. It's so beautiful. I'm like, oh my god, I forget where it's at. It's like not, uh is it? Man? I looked. I was like, they're fooling people. This is still but but I didn't think the Bronx would be gentified. It's stubborn, right, It's definitely stubborn. It's it's probably like one of the slowest moving paces out of any gentrification in the world. Right, and you live in Puerto Rico. Now I have a place in

Puerto Rico, and I also stay have my place. Okay,

all right, my back. You know what's crazy. I've recently um because I had too much sponsibilities in Puerto Rico at one point, like just just being out there trying to make the music and just but I recently just went out there and I fell back in love with Puerto Rico like this as soon as you and what was going on with the Puerto Rico Relief that the initiative, you're yeah, oh oh wow, it's crazy because there's certain things I can't talk about that because we found loopholes

in terms of how to get supplies legally into into Puerto Rico legally, but you know, the system would change if we if I talked about it, and they probably put a block. There's a lot of political roadblocks to get This is bullshit. It's all about money. But you know, I've always felt like, number one, if I felt like, if I was going to contribute to any kind of

tax environment, I'd rather buy something in Puerto Rico. Started with that, I ended up realizing that, Okay, well there's a lot of dysfunction within Puerto Rican history because of colonization, and if there's something that I could do to help people move forward, let me do it. But then you have it. It's in the line of disasters, you know, hurricanes and all that stuff, and you know, growing up poor and see my people struggle that that hit me hard.

So you know, I went down there. Rebull helped me out to U going, you know, get a couple of private planes of supplies to go down there. I helped bringing water, right, Yeah, I did water filtration systems with organism Nation called Waste for Water, where we enabled two hundred thousand people to have access to turning their water into clean water. This is when Trump was stolen them.

Ye yes, yes, yes. And then you know earthquakes. I mean we've we've raised a lot of money, we've uh, we had an earthquake tool yeah yeah, that was in between Fiona and Maria. Get the funk out of here. And that's crazy. Now here's a wild shit. Yeah. So when you're going into an earth Japanese whiskey, we will see it. I don't know, yeah yeah, hell yeah, yeah, yeah, yea, yeah, I'm ready, I'm ready. Yeah yeah. So yeah, and you

had an earthquake. Yeah, there's an earthquake. And and here's a crazy he says, like you could grow up in the hood and feel threatened and get something to protect yourself, But when you're going into a ground zero of an earthquake situation, I don't care how hard you are, what you've been through, you have no defense, right, and you know you're driving right to ground zero, and you gotta make the choice like, all right, well, this is how

I die. And but the bigger picture is somebody got to go there, right, And those are the choices we make when we go into disaster areas, Like I could die today and I'm okay with that. And you're saying Puerto Rico was considered a disaster area at that time. Yeah, every time there's aye, so why like you was so resilient, this is this is was crazy right, Well it's considered

American property, colony, colony, colony. Yeah, but we technically Puerto Rico, the state technically Puerto Rico is under military rule, meaning meaning it was taken by force during the Spanish American War right after the Spanish is left like eight days. The United States said, is that why Lois is black? Black people? To me? And Lois no Puerto Ricos. Puerto

Ricans were originally black b Yeah that talk. Yeah, I mean, you know, you know, dark skin, you know, and it's I mean, it's the reason why my hair when my hair grows, my hair grows into an affro. No product needed, right you know. But that's that's in US. So Um, like when even when people talking about the debate of like Puerto Ricans and hip hop and all that, you know, No, that's what I'm going you know, yeah, yeah, yeah, Joe Joe has said, hold on, it's because your motherfuckers some

crazy best Joe. Um, I'm forty five, Joe is I think a couple of years and I think you're like ten years fifty seven, fifty seven, okay, so what's that Joe's like? So for those that don't know, not only were you know, Puerto Ricans involved with the making of

the music and the throwing of the jams. When it comes to how people and there's a couple of Latinos, there might have been some too in every element of hip hop, like because you know it's fucked up, Just go for it, bro, because I kids nowadays think hip hop started with Biggie and Tupop And what's fucked up is they don't go back in their research, but they'll have on a pair of Jordan's where he didn't play forty years ago. Right, how the fuck you making money

off of this? And you don't know your history, but you know Jordan's. Jordan didn't give not one of us a free pass yet. But this is our mental colonization. Man. Do you know when it comes to like people trying to figure out the history or the anniversary date of hip hop, which is man suspect right that that date the year's suspect. It's like Christmas, Like nobody ready Christmas. Yeah,

it's exactly like that. And the thing is that people have gotten so comfortable with a narrative or the romanticizing of a particular story or perspective that they're taking that as absolute. But there's enough data out there to cross reference and be like, well, geographically time, it's just impossible for certain things that have happened. And if you're looking at a flyer and then another person in that same flyer that says I didn't even know him that year?

How am I? How am I on this flyer? This flyer's fake. So there's doctored flyers to to make up the history of him. I'm gonna say it right now. Fuck, yeah, yeah, there is. But I do understand that we have to come to a consensus where it's like, all right, well, we got to celebrate something at some point, but but it just shouldn't be based off of a comfortable lie.

Because if you're looking at all the archives that are being acquired by Cornell, Harvard, all these places, is when they start cross referencing, they're gonna be like, oh, that's a lie. That's a lie. This person lived here at this point, he went to that school and all sort of stuff. And then even on the Puerto Rican and black things. It's like if you're looking at Disco Mario, this guy texts Hollywood I believe his name is, and

cou Hirk being those absolute first DJs. Look, if you were back down back then, no one would know you're Latino, and there would be no reason for them to know you're Latino because we just lived amongst each other. Your problems, my problem. When we get pulled by the costs, we're getting pulled together in the bronx. So it doesn't matter whether you're black, Puerto Rican, or whatever. So for you,

your background is what I'm black and Puerto Rican. Okay, So never had no need to say that back then, Disco King Mario black and Puerto Rican text Hollywood, Puerto Rican. But they look like you. And that's the thing that a lot of people who grow up in areas that are segregated don't understand. In New York, we're to stacked up on each other. We lock arms with each other. You know you're protesting. I protesting with you, and a lot of places aren't unified community. I heard you say

something real, real important. You said if you was to take away I think you said Porter weekends. So if you take away Porter weekends in hip hop. If you take away Joe Conso's photos that's in hip hop, the whole story of hip hop becomes very difficult to tell because he's the first one, and he's from within the hip hop community to actually document what he was doing, you know, with just the environment. And he was a

little chubby kid. I didn't even know him back then, but he just picked up a camera and started documenting. If you removed all of Joe Conso's photos, everything that we look at as iconic photos from the seventies, they'd

be all gone because there's no one else. I think the reason why people even dispute this debate is because because they're stupid, because look, they're the young, stupid divisionists or don't come from our area and don't understand how black and Latinos in New York we fucking rolled different. Yeah we were not. I'm sorry, like to me, to my brothers, I don't give a fuck, Like we've never had to have this discussion, right because it's like, Yo,

your beef is my beef. Let's go. But you can see how like a person from uh like East Los Angeles, Yeah, because they're they're so segregated, segregated and there, and then it's like places like Chicago as well, like where it's nothing but porter. Yeah, but still still it's still segregated. Like when I go to you know why I got the flag. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. I

love to go there. But I always remember, like some of my black friends don't like it, like they'd be like, oh yeah, but even in the hotel, even those segregated areas will tell you that historically hip hop was the thing to bring everybody together. Yes, okay, even in those areas, it was still happening, right yeah, and you know, um when you're looking at it, like look, I went along in the nineties when I started to move around again.

I went to San Diego and there was a sister in the gas stage something like yeah, give me whatever, I'm pump whatever. And she looks at me like, where are you from? And I'm like, she mean where I'm from? Because she could smell the New York on you. Yeah, yeah, I said, I'm from New York. She goes because you don't sound like no Mexican. Yeah, I mean that's what that's gonna She goes, you black. I'm like, I got that in me. But you know, Puerto Rican and we

mixed like that. You know what a Puerto Rican was or this? No she didn't know what putocan. Yeah, no, kid, you not. If you pass passed Virginia sometimes it changes. It's still Latinos, but it changes to a different type of that. Yeah, of course, yes. And you know this, it's crazy. You know, Dominican is everywhere. Yeah. Yeah. I was in Switzerland and they had a fucking Dominican restaurant. I said, the price was crazy anywhere, bro, I don't

even think anybody in Dominican the Dominican restaurant. And you know, I want to be fine forget because I wanted to

just shout out. This is organization UM called the Elijah Project in Rhode Island and it's black and Latino owned, and you know, we're starting a huge initiative in Puerto Rico as well as areas in the United States where we're going to really reach out to people in different communities of need and deliver furniture, appliances, all kinds of stuff and also have a nice partnership with Amazon where they're giving me budgets to find to source out people

in desperate need as a result of disasters, and we're just you know, no politics, no religion involved, just humanity, like just helping people someways helping you just want to give them some love. Oh yeah, flowers. Well it's crazy. We want you to know. Our show was about giving people they flowers. I had so much fun researching and you know, into your life and we wanted to personally, face to face, give you your flowers because you're deserve it. Oh there, you go right over the beds. But let

me give you something then. Okay, cool, let's go. I got something right here. I'm throwing my glasses because of old So my man Mayor one thirty nine, who's here. He was also in Star Wars. Okay, wow, hell yeah he is. He's the one actually the person who designed the BT Award as a yeah, we haven't gotten it yet, which we we wanted. We didn't get it. I can open it right, hopefully this pops off right. This is

a little present for the show. Anything anything boys to represent be boys and Vegas to make sure there's always some B boy Vegan representation. And if you can tell me what I'm missing over what am I doing? You can come over here. If you want, yeah, please please, Yeah, it's something that's supposed to jump off with. But this is the authenticity of it. Wow, I believe that's your music for your show. Sorry? Oh shit, Oh that right on the table. Yea, that is amazing. Make sure wind

up like another award. Yeah. No. Diversity of the culture in the language. Absolutely, Yes, he's an original too, thank you, brother. He was probably into hip I don't know if he was into hip hop before me, but maybe around at the same time. Now that we didn't even call it hip hop until like eighty two, and a lot of people don't understand when you get into that. Yeah, so in eighty two, So how is hip hop fifty then?

Because you're saying it's blitz? Is it? It's fifty because you know, some of the elders don't want to stir the waters, and I get it. But in fifty years from now, when we're all dead, some person's gonna cross cross reference and be like, this is wrong, this is all So you're so you're saying hip hop eighty two, So what you put it? I'm put it this way. The people on that that first flyer and a lot of people are gonna be really upset with me for this.

There are certain people on that flyer who said I didn't even know cou Hirk on that day. I didn't meet cool Hirk until two years later. And that flyer only showed up ten years ago. And what fly is this? So the famous flyers posted they're supposed to be the first jam Now, now whose name is on this? Yam? DJ? Clark Kent, the original Clark Kent, Tommy something. I forgot his name, um cool Hurk. But Clark Kent didn't know

cou Hirk until two years later. Based on what he said, he had him twenty five And there's a whole bunch of stuff like you know, a lot of people think cool her started breakbeats. No it was a dude name stop. No no, no, no no no. But here's the thing, I'll get to the good ship. A guy named John Brown, that's his name. He's DJ at a club and cou Hirk went there. And I have coul Hirk's first interview,

so I got the data, I got the receipts. So in there he says he saw this dude named John Brown spending at this club in the Bronx and then he was inspired. Now the thing is that, yeah, he inspired HERK, but HERK inspired the other people who really elevated and evolved everything into a different lane. So I would never take anything away from cool Hirk's contribution, but I'm not gonna embellish it. And even without the embellishment, he's still creaming a crop when it comes to the music.

So because that's the one thing I feel like everyone hip hop kind of agrees with that Cool Hirk is the father. But he wasn't call the father of hip hop until Bambia told everyone to stop calling himself the father of hip hop. He told people, yo, don't call him Bamba, right, every we all used to call Bamboo

father of hip hop? But why is that? Because Bamboo is the one who corralled the streets of hoods and the black maids and bringing out all the well I mean just in terms of like you know, if you if you threw a Zoom Nation jam, you'll see co Chris performing. You see Treacherous three, so sonic for us. So band was bringing everyone together. Band you know, also celebrated the b boys and the graffiti, like he made the elements come together to become he cold, He didn't

curate it like that. But everything was treated as one family, you know. And in the early nineties, band was like, yo, stop, you know, don't call me the father of hip hop. But he was inspired by Herk as a DJ, so

he was because he was inspired by herc. He wanted to give her Herk the ultimate hip hop thing, which is not fair because if you start taking a part the elements graffiti DJ and breaking him seeing okay, who is his peers in each one that I'm gonna say the exact same thing about him being a father of every element. It's not gonna happen. It's impossible. But I

feel like we're talking about Socrates. Yeah yeah, no, I mean sense are no. And the thing is is that when you're looking at people like um Graham, mass of Chas, Mellie mel Uh and different writers like Lee Kenyona's Future or two thousand Uh Phase two, those dudes are like the coup hurts of their own element of hop. Right, So when you say ko Hirk is the father of hip hop, that diminishes the role of every leader from

every other element of hip hop. But no one ever, I've never already heard no one else say what you just said, just now, because they're saying this because I talked shit, you know, you know, honestly you're saying they're saying it, but they're not saying they know it. I loove. I went to a meeting and I'm not gonna throw any names out because I love my brothers, man, But I went to a meeting where we were going to address cook That's okay, another drink, but I'm still a leader, right.

So there was a meeting where someone was sent to as cool Hirk's representative, and the question got to the point where, okay, the cool HRK create hip hop and this is someone that's cool Hirks peered and he was like, no, but am I going to say that in public? No? And then he rightfully said, because y'all motherfucker's other ones who started calling him the father, you know, but we were told that by Banbada, so we didn't know better,

you know. And even with that, it still doesn't take down cool Hirk and his influence, his impact on the community that he served. You know. It's just that there are more pieces to the puzzle. Look, I could easily sit here and say yo, I save breaking two times, you know, but how can I do that without competition? Who who my battle ain't to have saved it? Who's number Who's the number one record? You know, there's no

number two. So I gotta give credit to New York City Breakers and Dynamic Rockers and all the crews that that I came up with, like from the Bronx Rockwell Association, the Bronx Boys, start Child of Rock, all these crews that will never get the attention because they never moved forward after that point. But I'm still going to recognize them. Let's get some clarity on what you're saying, because you're saying herk for the music, So are you saying that

before that? Obviously the graffiti artist and the dancers, that was already happening. It was. I would say it was a genesis because because people say that Kirk came from Jamaica, yep, and he was that's like kind of how bringing the turntables together. That's a nice story. Oh my god. You know, if you're talking, if you're talking, if you're talking sound systems and where he comes from and that coming from there? Yes,

But was that already in New York? Which I've seen this argument a lot, a lot, so I'll give you the doubt. There's a dude name Coup dj D who was already in the parks. Coo dj D was getting a new sound system. He sold his old sound system to Cool Hirk. That's when Coo Hurk came into the parks. The sound system that Ku Hirk talks about, what that he got from his father was a house system. That's why he could do the community centers. You couldn't bring

that system out into the parks. It's gonna be like bringing a little box, right. So Coo dj D was that dude who he was already in parks. Mario was in the parks. There was a lot of people who in the parks, some people doing disco, and it wasn't as I would say, curated in terms of music the way Coo Hirk did. Because Coo Hirk is the one who curated that hip hop sound without a doubt and you and that, but not specific to the breaks. You're saying, yes, but the way the party was being done from Cool

Hirk's perspective on changed it. But his inspiration came from this different people and his sound system came from someone else as well, So that meant that he wasn't the first in the parks, right, But even with that, he doesn't he was still the first major influence on the larger body of people, and that is fucking amazing, right. And I can have my differences with the timelines and inconsistent stories, but I will never take away his flowers

because he deserves those. They just don't need to be embellished. Yeah, I didn't mean to bring you guys down. It's it's it's like, I believe that's the first time I heard that. It's the first time for me as well, like even if I did hear except the part of the of the turntables, because I feel like the same way that people have been trying to take away the Puerto Rican Latino side of it, they've also been trying to take away the Jamaican influence on it. So I feel like

there's that argument going on. But here's the thing. I don't. I don't and I wasn't. I wasn't there a couple of years before I started, So I don't know if Cool Herk was playing Jamaican music, but the only person I knew that was playing reggae was Bambada. He was playing Yellow Man Guy I can't even think of all other artists right now, but Bambada was the one who turned us on in hip hop to what would be

considered rock steady, you know that style of reggae. Holy shit, man, I mean the tapes are there, you can hear them, and that's that's and that's the good thing is that these tapes exist. Thankfully. Tape Master the rest in peace. He just passed away. And that's another brother. We wouldn't have those musical references if tape Master wasn't making those tapes back then. Did DJs do that sometimes? Yeah? But if there was a first industry hip hop music industry,

tape Master was the dude. He was the first, I would say, mixed tape king. Yeah, absolutely, so. I would you say that in your day you would battle to get your name, But then now it's like in order for a person to secure their name, they don't battle. No, no, no no. What I said was in order back in the days. And if you you had to battle to protect your rep. Oh okay, these days people avoid battles to protect their rep right right? Why? Yeah, I don't know.

Like for me, if I heard you was like the boy whoever and you live like twenty blocks away, I'm like fourteen, I'm rolling up on your block, like, yo, you e a fen I don't know what you look like. You break, you want to battle, we battle right there in the concrete, or we go find a hallway and something like that. But that's what it was. I mean, everyone put their reps on the line. I mean, look look at if you look at this dude, Gabriel was out on the boxer. Okay, his his warrior status in

the game, even when he doesn't win. I mean, he's still held in high regards, right because he's a fucking warrior. He puts his name on the line, and even after he fights, his name is very well protected no matter what the outcome, right. And that's where the hip hop was built off of. Man, it's all we had, bro. We were poor, you know. The only thing you had was just like, you know, some props, you know, maybe met some girls something like that, and that was it,

Jesus what it was. It was. The money came from stick ups. It was It's a street culture from the game, drug dealers with with like backyard right. No, no, no, no, we no, we didn't do it like that. Um It was just like I like coming here, Like I was like the main dude in the streets anything like that. You know, we you dance, you practice, you get hungry. They said, you like you was the only way to jail a little bit. Everyone else with the jail, and he was like the only one that, like, should I

have been in jail? Yeah, multiple times, but I don't talk, and that's just it. Like I beat a case where I was ready to take the charge, you know, I told my man just stand back, I'm taking everything, and I beat the case. So you know, I bullshitted my way through that too, So hold on saying no more, oh no, no, no, I got one more quick time. Oh yeah, So you invented the wooden mill, but yeah, you originally called it the backspen the continue uh no.

So there's two versions. There's just the backspen where you spend really fast, okay, which I called the whip back spin, and then the windmill, which was originally called the continuous back spin with the over legs. Yes, okay. Yeah, So that was all I did that on like Qatona Avenue, Toronto and in a hallway just you was trying not to fall or something. I was trying not to hit me.

You know, those two doorways, slim hallways, tenement buildings. It's amazing, and I wanted I overrotated, and uh, I just was trying not to, you know, for the fast, I try not to hit the walls with my feet. So I bawled up and sent tripical force with me around and I started spending real fast. And I did that when I was maybe thirteen and and and that was what we called the backs. That was, yeah, the backs been, the whipp backs been because your leg whips around and

forces you to spend fast. So when did it become the member the windmill? Probably around maybe within that same year. I actually called it the continuous, but since we were after a while, we were already traveling years later, and people didn't know the names of these moves because more people were starting to break again, So names changed because

people don't know. When I hanging out with every crew, we only hung out with our own crew, And at that point I had I was rock steady crews like five hundred deep, but it was stick up with kids, DJ's b boys, DJ's MC's hangout crew writers, all that stuff. We rolled thick man, do you realize that that's a

writer of passage. Like if anybody is a dancer, if anybody really wants to take theirselves real, it's like, I think you got to learn I gotta know the rhym mail boy Yeah no, no, no no, I'm saying dancing overall, b boying, but dancing overall. It's like you have to know the windmill, the move, the moonwalk, and it's like one other dance. So so how the three dances popping, lock, and breaking? You know? Um? And then I mean some people in New York's are called electric boogie, which is

a wrong version of popping locking mix together. It's like mixing south Side mad ain't get together. I like it. I like people people call it no, but I mean mixing the dance steps, which is two different rhythms, two different rhythms, So you can't do that. So a lot of people don't know the history, don't know that popping and locking are two different dances the same way sce mambo a popping and locking different thing too. Yeah, so once pop was locking, and how did those two relate

to what you guys were doing? Uh, that's West Coast stuff and the robot that's West Coast stuff, right, Yeah, robot popping locker. Yeah, that was the electric Boogaloos, and the lockers would be one of the ones who are on Soul Train. And we on the East Coast used to watch Soul Train and a lot of people try to show up at the club. A lot of girls back then would try to do a lot of the moves from Soul Train, just for like like the social

dance aspect of it, right, you know, it's funny. I was watching, right, and because I obviously I'm a little younger, so I don't remember ever anybody not ever being a breaking on anything but a cardboard. We started that. I got I got your story. I got your story. But there's a part that I'm watching and you said that you were doing it at first on the rubber mats

under the swing. Yep. So when I was saying that on the former, I was like, yo, he just said that he started doing this shit on the rubber mats, and I'm realized, I'm speaking to my friend from the West Coast. He can't relate at all. He's like rubber mats. I'm like, you guys never had swings, And he's like he was saying I don't know. I didn't know what I mean they had said. I mean I was I was a kid in too. That's what's funny, Like we had the lead. Yeah, I'm listening. I'm listening to a

West Coast guy. I'm listening to a SOB guy, and I'm like, yo, I just heard crazy like say that if they wasn't on concrete, the safest thing they was to do was on the rubber mats. And both of them was like, what rubber mats? And I'm like, you didn't have rubber mats? And they're like, by the swings, by the park, you didn't have rubber mats. No one, this is a New York City thing. I had no idea.

I thought the whole world had fucking rubber mats. Yeah, so, but describe to people because I also heard you say that you actually used to do it raw on the on on on a seaman. Yeah, we we started breaking on concrete definitely. How was we were bloody well, bloody b boys lifting all day. Yes, the moons were new and not mastered yet we'd have scrapes on a on a lower back say that. So, yeah, there was a lot of a lot of blood at the beginning of breaking Wow, So who could whose idea was like, yo,

let's go get the cardboard. So I ninety h t didn't answer them. In New York, there's a park there which is now known as rock Steady, but which is brilliant by the way, they fucking went and got cardboard. And I don't know who was the first one to do it, it's one of my guys. So right next to the park there used to be an Appliant store. So in between the park and the Applian store is an alley where they would put all their trash trash far boys, and the next store to that was a

ninety nine cent store. So we would go there still still tape, and then we take climb over the fence full cardboard because we wanted to keep our gear fresh. Right that's when the carboards from. Yeah. Yeah, it was to not fuck up your gear to spend okay, okay, yeah, okay, So we wanted to stay fresh. I mean we didn't have much clothing to really just jump there, like yeah, I got my practice clothes and you know, my hangout clothes. So we would just set up and do that and

I'll send you some images if he needed for the show. Yeah, yeah, because I ain't gonna lie like me being from New York City, It's like it's a proud moment for us, like to see people come together. Like I didn't even know what we were doing. Like I would go to because you know, from left Rack City, So I would go to USA Skating Ring. But I know, you gotta I got a story about that. I would go up there and it was like I didn't know it was

a cool club at least at that time. And the people who wouldn't be able to get in there to go skate in or whatever, they would stay outside with the carboys. But these was like the guys like that means they didn't have like six dollars or three dollars. Oh, they ain't had no juice, you know. Like and I would sit out a DJ, so I would, you know, go there, and but I didn't know that was like

a technique. I didn't really know, Like I didn't know, like I just would see this and this would be something like like I said, I'm forty five years old, so hip hop is older than me. I I have that in the run. Hip hop is older than me. I listened to it in my stroller because I don't remember. I can't remember where hip hop didn't exist, right, you're

old enough to remember the time. Yeah, I. And it's funny because like as much as people call me a pioneer, like and then people try to separate generation this generation, that generation and still don't know the different definition of a generation, you know. But yeah, I started seventy seven. So if in my in the way I look at history, I would say hip hop starting seventy five. Okay, you know because most of the people, um, who can what's your name? What's the word? Uh? Stories? Most of the

stories are seventy five, you don't. We just rounded it off to the nearest tent. I think so, I think. But I think that's still fair. That still hip hop though, yeah, yeah, still hip hop. It older, I think it's younger. I think it's younger by two years. Yeah, but I'm cool with settling. But I'm also understanding that somebody's gonna change that ship in the future when we're not around it and no emotions are involved, you know, they're just looking

at times and and data and location and possibilities. But um, yeah, So if I started in seventy seven and and when people say like, oh, Latinos weren't there, I'm like, all right, well, how long did it take to create before we got in My brother wasn't first first time I saw breaking but DJ Africa Islam I was in seventy six. My brother was. My brother was a member of the organization which became Zulu Nation. Wow, it's before those mighty Zulu Nation.

So it's like when they're talking about Latinos were in there, I'm like, my brother was a card carrying member of the organization. So and then this go Marrio like ko hirks peers. If you're talking about those three being the main three, two out of three a Latino. I know. I think I kind of asked this earlier about why you think they're trying to take that. I think they don't. I think they don't understand. Like, like, from my perspective, everyone in here is my brother, and from a New

York perspective, that's how we rock. And if you grew up in those areas that have you lived in different communities, it's going to be different for them. And a lot of those different communities that if you have a Latin community here and they're that association with the associating with anything hip hop. There's probably gonna be a lot of

Latin music there, you know. But at the same time, we have our own struggles within the Latino community because if we're not into South Side, if you don't do a song and you don't drop Spanish in it, that die hard Latino community isn't going to really see you as there as anyway, you probably dropped more props for dropping Spanish. Well, that was why I left it originally. Yes, yes, trust me, I remember. It changed the game, right, it

changed the game. But I think a lot of people have a hard time because when you do look at those early images and there are dark skinned brothers there and you don't know there Puerto rican Also, because we didn't have to talk about it and then then check this shit out, then there are people who were Latino that didn't know they were Latino. Wow. So Graham makes a dst first person to win a Grammy and hip hop because of what he did with Herbie Hancock on Rocket.

He found out three years ago. He calls me up, like your legs, we gotta go to Puerto Rico. I'm like, what YO found out? I'm a love. My father's from potted, Puerto Rico, so that means makes a north from park. Yeah. The hard person to win a Grammy and hip hop is black and Puerto Rican. Got damn makes nor for me? Got damn? I think black. Hold, I'm using the bathroom, crip. I can keep going, keep going if you gotta use the bathroom, just H'm using to take that's killer baby normally.

Thank you. That Scotch bourbon Yo. No that No, that's some real drinking shit right there. I gotta salute my hat to you. All right, are we doing quick time of sign? Right? It's a cool shots light? Yeah, I know, yeah, yeah, fair warning, fair warning, thanks thankfully, I'm in walking distance. Yeah, I rope, yes, all you will. Oh you want to go? You go first? All right. I don't know. I don't know what you're gonna pick with this one. Oh no, no,

you're explaining on the rush you're gonna give you. I'm worried about the slime part. Two choices, two choices. You pick one and nobody drinks. You say both are neither and we're drinking. All of us are drinking. That's it. So if you politically correct, as you say, neither or both. Didn't we drink with you and we drink with you. We don't leave you out there by yourself. We drink

which okay, we walk away fucked up to. Yeah, he's saying politically correct and you say both like like for instance, right now, fast five Freddy or Ralph McDaniels. Ralph McDaniels. Okay, okay, you don't have to give an explanation if you don't want to. If you want Ralph McDaniels, Oh man, he's we need both. Yeah, Ralph McDaniels. I mean, he's one of the nicest guys you're ever gonna meet in a hip hop You know, he's a beautiful soul. He he's

authentic hip hop. Even though his platform has been for rap music, he is well aware and supports everything good enough for me. You'll have TV raps or video blues based on his previous answer, yeah, yeah, video music style. It's a Colombian guy that got it. You got you got Beach Street or breaking two Beach Street. Okay, all right, but we really want to say wild style, old style,

wild style all day. Really, Yeah, we're explaining, Um, it was more, it was authentic, it was authentic and you know those storylines of the Oh no, I'm thinking, okay, I'm confusing it with breaking my bad. Uh, there's a Wild Style. I think that. I think Wild Style is the genesis for real hip hop movies, even before Beach Street or anything anything else, because everyone Wild Style is the first movie to select all of its um cat

as based on actual legitimacy. In the game, there were no record labels involved, so you were in there because you were actually dope. And if you were in in there, there's probably like some paperwork issues. But everyone there was at the top of their game. There was no pen It seemed almost like a reality. She was so shot, so raw. Yeah, I should have been loving hip Yeah you know what I'm saying. Yeah, Jesus eighties or nineties hip hop fun. Take a shot. Take a shot. I'll

tell you why. Okay, go ahead, Well, let's take the shot first, and then yeah, yeah it take the shot. Oh eighties is my formative years as as a teenager. Right, so that's like the soundtrack of your life. That's your first girlfriend. You graduated with the junior high school in Manhatan. Uh No, I went to Yeah, I went to junior high school Manhatan. That's why I got my name A girl in wood. She said you got some crazysy too,

and then that's how she said it, right. Yeah, it was like Rosario, So nineties, I've been you for like a month, just so you know, I've just been you. You're like, yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm goad um. Nineties for me, in my mind is like the jazz era of hip hop, which is quote unquote the golden era is called well eighties, late eighties, it's golden well, I mean I think it's late eighties going into mid nineties. Yeah, that would be the golden era. I didn't know what you mean by jazz,

by jazz meaning you had talking all that jazz. No, no, no. So when you look at NAS and you look at Pete now Pees Little, yeah took Nas, We took on nineties, We tooking Tang. Yeah. The production mob d like everything and and and the lyrical content, yeah was there was so much diversity from you know, from fight the Power to fucking to the Daisy Age. You know, so I like that diversity there. I felt like hip that was hip hop's best voice in terms of diversity. Yeah, nineties,

nineties fuck the police. Yeah. In terms of style, yeah, because you have political you had love every ver. Yeah, right, because island out there they told my ship we own point. All right, all right, all right, cool, you got the next one. MC lighter Queen Latifa take the shot for all females across the world yet to pick pick. Trust me, we need and we need both both. Ye Okay, I would say, are you still picking out of there? Yeah, that's a tough I'd rather not pick. You don't have

you don't have to toss up. Okay, you go for you. We drank for you. Yeah, we don't want you to do that because they buy both. Call you say what the buck? Now, I'm just playing ahead. We're going windmill or head spin wind mill. I'm about to get a shot for that, because that's all I know. The dude that's made the wind mail. I'm using you as bragging, right, like anybody ever say, I'm not hip hop like I know the nigga that made the wind mail. All right.

The next one originally was mad. When we were putting this in the list, I didn't think they matched up. But have you seen the mash up they've been doing with these guys? Wu Tang or n Wa Wu Tang. They've been mashing up Wu Tang with Nwa with Wu Tang beat. Right, it's amazing, but it's crazy because we've been asking this question for the past couple of months. We make it all happens crazy. Yeah, I'm going to Wu Tang all day because it's that. Is that because

it's the regional thing. Yeah, I'm fucking straight. Right, Yeah, I'm gonna tell you. I like Nwa though I really appreciate them, But I mean I'm also looking at the decades a body of work, right, you know my thing is um, I'm also at East Coaster, so I go with Wu Tang. But one thing I always give uh to in the UA. If you never went to California before and you heard that first album, you were, they brung you to California because we just didn't know. I mean,

I'm like again, I'm younger, Like I didn't know. I thought California with surfboards. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I didn't know. These motherfuckers say your mother, you already had the boy came first iced he didn't come out of came up before. Yeah, I tell you what. They didn't say that in the movie. Check this came out first. I'm not Tea before we went up and he was a dancer, wasn't he too? Yes? No, but no six you said iced Tea, ice C that's

what That's what I but he was already talking about Yeah. Yeah, that didn't get to me. That got to me. Team might have came out too, but I think before Colors, Yes, king T, But what's I get? What's the d for you? Like for me? Because I now I'm like getting older and like I told you, like I told you, I must have heard right Because Island first, because when I heard straight out of Compton, I thought Compton was a jail.

So I was like, I don't want to go to the young Yeah, and I'm thinking like like how people talked about right Because Island at that time, like yeah, you know you know what I mean. So but getting back to my point, Yes, I did hear Iced Tea. I wasn't old enough to discipher what you saying. I did hear king T, but Nwa was old enough to say I don't want to go there. Yeah. Their impact because and I didn't get to see their videos. All I got to hear was they vocals their lyrics, so

it gave me imagination. You know what I'm saying. Like it's like read a book. You ever read a book where wherever this book is that you're there. That's how Nwa was. That's how I think Nwa honestly, from my perspective, my opinion, Nwa was brought an emotion that hip hop

didn't have before. That I felt like when I had you heard all kinds of rapping, like the action like Mellie mell was the was the message, and but n n w A, you felt that you felt that intimidation and then p yeah in hand in hand pe But but you felt like this intimidation and anger from Nwa that you hadn't felt in rap music to that point. And I felt that that changed everything. Poked the bear. Yeah, okay, do we take a shot for this or no? Because

he picked wolcheck, Let's take a shot. Let's take a shot just for uh huh yeah. We we just speak yeah yeah yeah, So right right before we were going on a wild style tour. That's how far back. Just make the noise of him flowing so holy shit, I go, yeah, me, I'm gonna tell you what me. First of all, it sounds that some wild Ship Africa Islam. Yeah, Africa much the first DJ from rock Steady as well, and he's

an original B boy. But you know, we were all wild I'm back then, so I go to meet up at Africa Islam because we're like, all right, we're gonna get it. We're gonna buy an eight ball, and you guys were wilding. Oh no, this is only to tell on the plane. Oh yeah, yeah, come out. Yeah, I remember cigarettes in planes. I don't know if I heard this correct. You just say you had to borrow eight ball to set slay it on the plane. The plane, Yeah, it's thirty people from the hood going on tour. Nobody

got access to anything. It's boy probably the first hip hop smugglers, right. You know his name is Africa Slam. Yeah, he used to come out here when when we used to come out here with DJ raw on them. So when I went to go pick him up to go on tour, Iced Tea was staying at his place. So they are here already. I see. It was already connecting with the East coast. But yeah, we ended up buying like an ounce of weed and the eight ball and then we're on the plane and then all of a sudden,

my man. You know, people smelling weed on the plane, smoked weed on plane. Don't tell me you'll smoke yeah, yeah, yeah, and in the back you just I mean, this is a time that cigarettes, you smoke weed. The suction he thought worked. And then our managers like, I don't know what kind of drugs you guys got on you, but you guy, this better do all of them because by the time we get to Japan, the police are waiting for you on the way Japan. Yeah. Yeah, you know Japan.

Don't play yeah yeah, you get canceled for weed in Japan. So yeah, so you know we're doing that. And you know, the only I think, the only sober one was like Bambata. You know, everyone's on like acid and blow and weed and and now we gotta do it. We gotta consume everything. Now it sounds like a great flight. Though I ain't gonna lie to was crazy that I'm not gonna lie. I try. I'm trying to sit here and be like, oh nah. And then I'm sitting here like this sounds great.

The whole back of the plane was a cloud of smoke. Holy shit. Yeah, and and and the drinks were free back then, yeah. I mean I always go on like every plane now and then I look at it and I see this leftover ass tray in there, like it's a tiny bit of ass like this was used one. Yeah, I mean a couple of times. You never flew on a plane where they were smoking, right, yeah, back in the day, Yeah, Miami that we we were on japan airlines.

That's what it was. Yappanese. Yeah, Yappanese on your parents airlines. And you know I got I actually have all. I have a whole bunch of behind the scenes photos from all those trips that I've never been public. We're gonna we're gonna do out what I'm talking to this dude, Jeremy Beaver from the National Museum of Hip Hop and DC, and we're gonna set up a tour of those photos. Did y'all here's the national question, Did y'all do drugs

in Japan? When y'all landed? We found weed? I have we found weed because I got a picture of Grand Master of cast holding a bag of weeds. Were smoking even back then. Huh yeah, just grand he came here, smoked the whole his whole episode, whole three out. He smoked every run. Yeah, I mean I'm down. Oh you smoke. I didn't know you smoke. Okay, shit, you know, we got joints, and you give me some joints I got yeah, give them one of those, give the one of notes.

This is what the Yeah, please as much as cash, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, hell yeah yo. So there, Now, I got to ask you this before we go to quick thom slim, before we go we in it, before we finish it. Hold on, let me ask you. Okay, let me get one of those two I got one. I got one, I got one of them. Give him a lighter, give him lighters on. Thank you. This is an old school questing because all of y'all started with easy witers. What was the yeah bamboo,

big bamboo, Yeah, big bamboo. I'm my bad, my bad, big bamboo and easy waters. Right, when did the transition from joints to god damn, I expect you got all right now you brought it? Yes? Where did it go from papers? Two joints? Well, the papers were joints back then, me from papers and blunts, papers with blunts out, my bad? You know what I meant? Then? That was with white owls,

white owls. Yeah, leather. That's like smoking leather's definitely that had to be easy early eighties not closer to me. Uh shit, man, like eighty three eighty three, eighty three, okay around that. Yeah. I used to get shipped for free all the time, So I don't know all of this. You said White Owls came before Philly Blunt or was it Philly Blunt? White owl didn't Dutch Masters, I think first White House. Yeah, Philly Bloom Moses like everybody would

walk around with Tippo Rilloso. Okay, Tipper Rillos, I remember that. Okay, let's fill this quick time. Let's go back. Yea Dougie Fresh or Biz Marquis took a shot you dais is my dude. Man, I love that brother man, so let's do a shot for him. Yeah, let's do a shot for it anyway. Yeah, yeah, I like that he picked but still took a shot. I mean yeah. Biz became a very good friend of mine, right, and I hooked him up with a bunch of archives and we were doing it trade. And I found out that he was

doing trades with everyone, but not trading. Does that mean archives from everybody? I need that soul sonic for records or mixtapes from yeah business, getting everyone's archives of dupes and then never never hooked up anyone else. You didn't get the white um cover. But that was dude. All right, let's go to bust rhymes, a eminem oh buster rhymes, Okay, radio or podcasting podcast? God make I'll take the shot for that. I'm taking a shot for that. You can

say whatever the fuck you want to over here. I'll take a drink of that. H m hm DMX or tupacetx. It seemed like you want to say something about that. I was never into tupocket And I know people don't don't agree with me, but you know, it just wasn't my thing. Dmax reminds you of that New York Streets ship, and I relate to that New York Streets ship the most right. And you know you ever got to meet Tupac. I met him once, saying at USA Nightclub and Times

Square and then we had a fight. There's a big fight in the club after that would me and my boys and no, no, no, I met him. Then I went downstairs and got into a fight against mop Tops. You know, he leade for us boot stretching all of those. We had a big fight with them. Then I had to fight with the bouncers. It was crazy. You're glad you calmed down, sir. Yeah, yeah, I mean whatever. Well, rest in peace to both of them. Yes, Tupac, Yes, legends, slick Rick or rock him to take a shot, sir,

rock him. Let's stop it telling them to take shots. We got a little manser. I just don't be oneing, you know, I know everybody got a personal relationship. And I rocked him because he made a lot of beats that I can dance too as well. I was into his lyricism, like you know, I really I already knew about storytelling from Graham Massa has so that was already part of hip hop. Who him And at a certain

point in my life, I was a five percenter. So you never stopped being a five percenter unless you start eating port Still I still don't eat Park, Okay, then you're still a popercenter. Go so um I when he was spitting that, it's kind of like when WU Tank spitch shit and you walked you You were on the country when they first came out, you know, most of the country didn't know what the fuck brand Nubian Wu Tang or Rock Him were talking about when they started

spitting knowledge. You know. So I always found it funny one when white people would recite certain things like yo, no, they had no idea, they had no idea. Okay, kras one a Cougi rap. That's a good one. And I'm gonna say, I'm you know what you gotta say. I'm gonna take Cougie Rap. No, your face is said, let me take both. Okay, I'm gonna say Coogie Rap Okay.

And that's because you can't lead the witness. And this is like my whole fucking ghetto trauma of hanging out with people who are wild, like I can relate based on like all the people that died around me, and I've been into dirt. What Cougie Rapp is talking about, I mean, caress one is the remedy for that. M So, who did you pick? Cougie Rap? Okay, your Colombias and Dominican of publics, you have distracted? Yea, bro, come on, I'm talking guys, I talking about which one of you

talking about? Come on, get some work distracted you're messing us up. Okay, m oh whoa Okay, got it big Daddy King or coo J taking a shot. Take a shot. You gotta take a shot. You gotta shot so that drink don't count. You gotta take a shot. He has one, Okay, he has one. Right, Look it's a little, it's a little. Yeah. Here's the thing. I would have said, Big Daddy Kaneyo, guys, I would have said Big Daddy Kane. I'm sorry, I um.

I would have said big Daddy came. But what sealed the deal for me where llo cooj is that when Red Alert was DJ and that big CD big City Diner on Eleventh Avenue in Manhattan, I think he was doing the party red Rum and uh Ll show it up and he got on the mic. He just rocked off of breakbeats and he spent rhymes that were not on his records, and he just I was like, oh shit,

like that's what I respect. And that's when I grew up on So when I saw Ll spitting like straight up fire, like I'm gonna just fucking burn his mic and dropping him bounced, he did that ship and that's when I was just like, Yeah, jip beyond records. Both legends when Yeah Disco Fever or the sound factory, just go fever because I was lucky enough to get up in there, and I knew I was too young to even being there sixteen. I went in there at uh yeah, sixteen,

fifteen to sixteen. Did you know you were living history when you was? Nah? Man, he was wild. We didn't appreciated about it at all. Say that before I heard you say that you weren't even living in the moment, like you didn't. You didn't appreciate like anything that you

kind of was going. No, we didn't. So when we would go to places, first time we went to France, like hey, we want to take you to go see a town, We're like, nah, take us to the hood, you know, and the hood over there, it's like it's Ethiopian, is Turkish, it's rocking, it's yeah. Yeah, So that's what we felt comfortable. We didn't feel comfortable doing all those things that I feel like, I'm lucky to have had a second chance because it would have been nice to

have done some of those things. But you know, you grew up in the Bronx and you're not cultured, and it's a maturity thing too. I'm sure you were. It's crazy because yeah, it's crazy because I swear to guard me and my uncle Wise and my first two or three tours around like kind of like the world. We we we were making it our point not to take pictures. Well that was that was the error. That was the error. That error. Look shit that we back. Remember when we

did the magazine. We don't got pictures. We could even believe us our memories. I can fix that shit. Yeah, crazy, yeah, make it up. Goddamn the flyers. We could ask chat gpt the history. Yeah, when when was hip hop started? See what that cross references? Holy shit? All right, Biggie or Big L music, Biggie friendship big out. That sounds like a shot to me. You had a relationship with big Yeah, that's no, no, no shot, Drake. Come on,

this is drink. Can I let you cheat? That's come on, let's go shot little stot, Little you deserve your flowers. Shout out, big out, big out. It was funny man. The rest of when the first time, first time I hung out with him, he tell me some fucking wild story, Like, yo, man, you know what tea bagging is? Oh shit, that's when the girls laying down and you drop your balls in her mouth. Like, Yo, this motherfucker is funny. I mean his lyrics. No, yeah, I think he signed some point.

I mean, when you meet somebody and he's talking to you about tea bag, he would say crazy. Yeah. Yeah. So that's like the first couple of words he said to you. He just man, that's what he was wild, Like he said, nice to meet you all that, but know I fuel because you know I grew up y'all always cracking jokes like that was amazing. Cool. Now, every time I think about me and a big I love,

I love. Yes, the girl picked me up. It was crazy. Um. Before he passed away, he was like he was like he was gonna change his style, but he listened to me, Cameron and DMX and because of that, he just stayed everything nice. Yeah yeah. So and it was like I was like, I didn't even know he knew who I was. So that's always one of the biggest columns. And I

feel he was one of the illest lyricists at that time. Yes, and and then you know he was there was the whole thing that he was going to sign the Rockefeller I think if that would have happened and he would have been here, and that's the whole thing. Also him signing with with Sony with like with nas like. I believe that he would make a choice because bigger he was on Columbia. Yeah, I said Sony, but yeah, it was all it was a oh yeah, that's yeah, that's why. Yeah,

thank correcting that. Okay, a rock shot or the real rock say taking a shot? Damn yeah, I can't just I don't you know, heard her thing? There's so few female representations to take any of them down. Ain't cool. That's right, that's right, that's right, that's right. Right, Oh, this is a good one. Got a cold crush? Oh thanks crush you Nah, I don't matter. I'm cold crush

all day? Why why? Because that was all right? So I knew it was first five the other one I know you didn't matter now don't matter because I knew co Crush before cast was in Cold Crush. Damn damn. So the original co Crush Brothers was It was Charlie Chase, a Little Black, Teddy, ted Missus, t Bone, Cisco Kid and Easy a D with that with Tony Tone and Charlie Chase. That's the first actual hip hop tate rap

Tate I heard. So that's what got me into it fully co Yeah, and then you know, then Coquest became like co Curus embodied battling. You know. So everything that I was as a B boy, co Crush was the top tier in the rap game. Sounds good to me. A tropical Quest or brand Nubian. And that's that. We were talking like that because it's like, here's a funny thing. Okay, here's my here's my inner conflict. I've had issues with members of both crews. What words yea with Quest, don't

tell me his wife five my dog piece? No, Jerobe, I love Jerobi. Yeah. So I wanted to book Q tip for something and I wasn't asking for a discount and he was kind of like treating it like I was, and it was giving me to run around and was it time he was dating? I'm Janet Jackson. Uh No, this is maybe like seven five years ago, five six years ago so now, but this is after Viber now that I think about it, five years ago, yea after

so all right, So here's the thing. So we have a back and forth and I'm like, I don't know who fuck this motherfucker think he's talking to right now. And it's like I goof around and I could play and all that stuff. But I could become a different

person if I have to. So this is yeah, yeah, so well it was a different We talked on phone, but he was banging his chest a little something while he was on tax and I'm thinking, like, I don't know, he's confused right now, like he's talking to the wrong dude, because and I said, you know what, my dude, you do you fuck you? And by the way, when you had that beef with rex and effects and all that, all that all that hardware was waiting outside in case

something jumped off. I'm the one that supplied that shit for you. Yeah, yeah, so that's why. But then I love his music, you know. So and then you know, Lord Jamara with the whole trying to separate black and lat you know, as I'm not with that shit, you know. But then I love you know, I have an affinity to the gods. Wait, I thought Lord Jamar, I mean I Lard Jamara. Um, it was Lord jam People are guests. No, no, no, he said Puerto Ricans are guests in headline? Did he

say that? Yeah. I spoke with him. I spoke with him on the phone and and uh. He started to get a little live with me on the phone. I'm like, yo, my dude, Like again, I don't know who the fuck you think you're talking to, but I'm not the one, like what's up? And then you know, we get to the question of like yo, I asked him, like, all right, well, if you think we're a guess how long did it take to create hip hop before we got in because now you have to deal with actual facts and timelines.

And they's like, oh, yo, I gotta go get my kids, Like I'll call you right back. And he never called me back. But you know, to me, I only make those calls and I don't do it online because that's some bullshit. I called them up. You know, we hit each other up directly. I'm like, you know, because I want to make sure that we're not contributing to the division of black and Latino people when we need to, we're we're stronger. It's like, it's like this, somebody told me,

because we have our own ship within Puerto Rico. Someone said on a panel, They're like, yo, Puerto Ricans need to decide whether they want to be three million on the island, five million elsewhere, or eight million together. So for me with black and Latin, you know, I'm like, yeo, let's sayings together because we got the same struggles, you know, and at the end of the day, we all know

that dividing conquer is the place. Yeah, and I think the problem, Yeah, the problem is that a lot of fair skinned people, whether they're light skinned Black or light skin Puerto Rican, they start playing that car and that's where it becomes difficult for us because they want an easy path. So you know, yeah, I don't know how the funk I got to that because brand Nubian out, but yeah, man's I got love for both of them. But I think that's we We all have inner family

conflict within hip hop. So I don't think you picked either. Yeah, I know. Yeah, yeah to the Rex and effect, for I kind of want to hear this. Okay, So we know the story, you know, the beef and the first first story was back exactly so bo Bo that's the big homie. Yeah, so Bo that was my dude, and we had um some transactions going on, and uh, he was just like, Yo, we're gonna do this thing at the mosque, but we don't know how it's going to happen and we need we need some weight, and I'm like,

all right, I got you covered. So we made sure that a lot of the whale wells around the mosque were this is when they were gonna squash it, or this is when he was when they were gonna squash it. But we didn't know what was gonna happen, but we had to be prepared. And it was one of us was from Harlem, right slash Virginia and yeah, so we had to make sure that you remember what they beef was about. Yeah, it was hardcore rapp that new Jackson

said it in the right. It's some immature bullshit. It was. It was pity everyone was young, but um at that time that happened to be have access to certain things and it was my little side hustle in between jobs. Haven't hammers huh yeah? Yeah yeah and distribution and yeah, so I just supplied what needed to be there and make sure that yeah, down I was back in qute. Tipp was hardcore bro, but he never knew. Like again, I don't talk like now we could talk because it's

like like I would pass childhood bullshit. Seven had nothing happened. It's like seven years. This is we told about thirty years. Yeah, yeah, no, but there's no statutory on murder. No, no, we can't talk about that. Yeah, thank nothing happened. Yeah no, exactly. Nothing happened, thankfully because at the end of the day, for you and for hip hop, yeah exactly, because that

would have been bad for everybody, everybody. But you know, to me, I just felt like, yo, qute tip just say yes or no. You don't have to string me along like and don't talk down to me. Especially you don't even know that I fucking had your back and you didn't. I never even threw that at your face to let you know that I was the one taking care of everything. I mean, maybe it was a miscommunication with you guys on the day. I mean, I'm trying

to benefit all cute tip man's act. Hey, here's the thing I think, but you got to work it out. Yeah yeah, but but but somebody should never underestimate the power of a person in front of you. You know. And I may she'll be cool or whatever, but if my back's up against the one, I have to flex. Yeah. I have the means, But I also don't hang out with certain people because I know that if I have an issue, they want to accelerate shit to the worst level.

And I'm like, I had to stop hanging out with a lot of people that would ride or die for me like that because that should will get me killed. Right, Let's stay positive energy. Yeah, I'm more about helping people, pushing hip hop and yeah, let me tell you. Yeah, here's the thing you do not understand. Number one, I'm proud of you guys because thank you. You know, not many people can maintain that relevance this long, that this

game and giving it to our heroes. Yeah. Yeah, and it's just hold on, let me just stop you for one second. I don't mean to make it's about you, but you're a hero. Thank you, like um all the things that hip hop has received a black eye for a long time. Yeah, and sometimes I won't fall absolutely Okay, Yeah, I know I know the dumb shit that I've done in my life. Right, Okay, let's finish quick time A slim well he was saying, he was talking, Okay, let's talk.

I forgot I got love for both of them were already trained. Okay, yes, New Jack City or Juice, uh New Jack City. Okay, you don't need to explain unless you want to. No, I just didn't like the fucking last line of juice. I'm like, well, you got the juice now, because you remember when that word came that work. Yeah, it was. This was corny the way they used the way. But I mean, juice is a great mean you listen to that and then you hit rock Kim's Sake the juice. Okay, Um,

this one. I don't know where you're gonna go with this one. You're saying it, yeah, I gotta go. I gotta say this one. Nas or jay z Nas I've I bought and and those are two of my top all time MC's. But there's no other M in every form that I bought more than Illmatic and what you meaning form from CD, VINLS, TD to everything. Yeah, because you know I DJ also, so that means your records getting sucked up, stolen or whatever, and you know you gotta have that allomatic. Your alomatic saved my life. I

gotta do. Yes, you gotta do that vinyl or tape vinyl or tape NL. And that's the ef An answer too. I think you take a shot just for that. Just you relax, relaxed, relax. The next one is a good one for me. Kick Capri or red Alert, Red Alert. Okay, I know Kick Capri before he blew up. I know him from the nineteen eighty when he used to hang out with this other crew over on the Upper West Side. So yeah, I knew him before his fifty stallion at that time. No, he was you know, he happened to

I don't want to get him something. He used to hang around with this group called the Shamrock Crew. Uh. And it's funny. Shit is that they're fucking Shamrock Crew but they're all black. I didn't get that right. Yeah, I'm gonna tell you a funny stories. So we're in a Zulo meeting one day and this brother walks in. It's like a recruitment day, and you know, we bug out. We're all stupid. But you know, if somebody say something funny or or something to make you think you're gonna

say something. So say you had the Zulu meeting, Zulu Meeting and bron day in the nineties, recruitment day. Yeah. Yeah, So this dude, there was this one crew that comes in and they will all put Puerto Rican and they're like, we'll called the lepre couns, and Bambada's like, okay, well, if you're gonna call your selves out of what you are culturally, why are you calling yourself like that, like you're like lucky Charms or what it was your deal?

And then this other brother, he was super dark skinned Ethiopian style, and this motherfucker says, yeah, my name is Spook, and we're like this, like yeah, what the fuck? Oh my god? Oh yeah, oh Baky has kicked. All right, let's put critize. We want to talk about. Okay, guy, Studio fifty four, Land Quarters, Latin Quarter. Yeah, I've never been there, but I did perform at Studio fifty four in nineteen eighty or eighty one. But you said you've never been to where like quarter, never went to lan

Queener Pickie land Quarter. Yeah, because that's a significant hit, legendary right right right? Yeah, I respected that. Yeah, Okay, you want to do take this so me and yeah, and you always say that this is the only one that everyone should kind of take a shot for because we believe one goes with the other. But it doesn't matter. You can do whatever your it's loyalty or respect, oh, loyalty. Loyalty is the definition of respect. We agree. Yeah, that's

why we're taking a shot for that. Yeah. Yeah, that's not why we're taking a shot for We're just taking a shot. You wanted to elaborate on that, like, why is loyal to the definition of respect? Um, you can still respect someone fuck up on them, but you can still be loyal to them. You know. I could fuck up on you, could be whatever's going on in my own head. Yeah, but intent is everything. I don't intentionally mean that ship And at the end of the day,

we could be at odds. But if we have a certain amount of history between us, when you're at your worst moment, I'll be there for you no matter what. I expect that. Yeah, I'm that dude. Let me ask you, when you've traveled internationally battling, what country has been the biggest, like, you know, the biggest headache and battle, like who who really was a force to reckon with internationally? Here's the thing, like a big battles, international battles and all that stuff.

I've never really had to do. Um, But what I recognized is what other people bring to the game. And a while back, I went to Russia to this place that's close to the border of Kazakhstan and was born back there, so he was battling. And here's the thing. All these little white kids are like the best dances in the house. They got fucking mad, soul flavored rhythm, and I'm thinking, like, what kind of pain did these

motherfuckers go through? Right, you know? And then they told me that they were from like a war torn area, and yeah, so so what growing up the way I grew up and all of our it's around us. I was like, yeah, I get it, Like I can see like like when like either you have I feel like either you have soul or you don't, or you just haven't found your lane yet. But when you see people who are dancing and that it's not theatric it's just the real pain that they show, I think that's dope

and I can relate to that. So it was there, yeah, yeah, yeah, And you know, sometimes I feel like you could be like the dopest visually dynamic person, but if I could walk away feeling your emotion as you're rocking out, that's more important to me because I'll remember that more and I'll never forget those kids now, Like I'm bringing it up now, I don't know they've never met them, but they left an impression of soul in me and that was better than any meals like in that part of

the world. And I and we we've talked about this story several times, like they really fight to have hip hop in their lives because we went nothing else, like we had nothing. We went to Russia and the people that brought us out work were called hip hops, you know, Russians against racists, like they were bro and then they had they had they had the buttons. It actually star yeah, yeah, yeah, And I've had interesting experiences in Russia. No, Russia's hard.

I was brought out there by by Lola Card. Oh, which is what Ola Card. The people that run ship the richest motherfucker the un likes people like the people that that's yeah, these are like the richest people. And when you're talking about power, these people can just like open up a bank in the middle of the night, that kind of power. Yeah, so I got to do it. Russia is an interest. It was good financially good, but we didn't we didn't enjoy ourselves. No, we went to

the clubbing man has key masks. Let me connect you. Then I got the blood. We got the heat phase. I want to go, well, after they stopped fucking warring. Yeah, you know the Russian people, Funny and the one who made this right here, he also used to be a stick up kid too. Goddamnit, he's throwing you under the bus. This motherfucker used to walk walking around with a big ass blade corporate. Yeah no, and Sunny didn't murder yesterday. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah nah. But you know, I think

number one. I don't know if you ever heard anyone, but you know, we actually used to go sticking up with your brother too, wow with with Hey, I'm gonna tell you how dumb ship was back then, since we were so young and and I'm not gonna throw their names out there, but there was these two kids that we stuck up outside of a graffiti like now an art supply store. They had just they had just stolen away whatever they stolen, and then we robbed them, and then a week later they became part of my crew.

Makes sense. Weird shit, but let's get let's get to this story right to New York City Breakers. They were originally floor masters. Yes, and you hand picked the floor masters because according to their story, I believe this is their story. Their story is convenient, but their story was you guys picked them because you thought that y'all could

beat them. Now. So we had this show coming up in the Grill nightclub and that was like nineteen eighty two, and we were tired of doing shows where we would perform a battle y'all against each other each other, yes, and we knew we had these little rivalries in the city, like New York City Breakers, some of them we all went well, some of us went to Kennedy High School. And I was just like, y'all, you know, the same way I selected Dynamic Rockers, which got them into Star Wars.

I selected New York City Breakers because it's like, yo, let's have a real battle, right, And that's how And then it's funny thing is that Michael Holman who became that manager. He asked us that same night, like hey, I want to be a manager, and like like as me, Frosty Freeze and take one and again like arrogant, ignorant motherfuckers. We're like laughing in his face, like nah, I get

the fuck out of here. No, hell no, And he ended up meeting Floor Masters that night, and that's how they became New York City Breakers because he started managing them. So floor Masters floor Masters became New York City Breakers. Yeah, did they have other I swear there was floor Masters out here in Miami. No, it may have been a different crew, Okay, yeah, but they didn't have chapters Flora floor Flora floor floor floor. You know flow who from the commercial she gives you so but I'll tell you

a wild story just to your show. One day, we go to dance Cteria, right, and we go on a night that isn't our night. And this is a place where you mean, isn't our night? Like like like we had like that party that went from the grill went to danceteria. It was called Wheels of Steel, and yeah, would have from Tuesday or thursdays. It would be on like Wednesday, Wednesdays. Because then it turned the name of the party was Wheels is still Wednesday, Okay. And so

we go on a different day. I'm like, hey, you know the guy's guy who's a legendary dorman, uh danceteria. Here we ended up being like the guy at the Palladium. Um like hey, no, no, no, no, no, no, no no no, this is guy Howie. Uh so yeah, I know I know, yeah, yeah, and I got beef or whatever. Okay. So um, we go into that ceteria and we're going there like we all dudes like from the hood, and it's just like all gay, Like all right, well this might not be all night. So it was a gay

gay it was a private party. It turned out that it was gay. And we go there and we're like looking on stage and it guys on the mic, and then all of a sudden he brings someone up on stage and dude starts giving him head on stage and we're like yeah, and we're like yo, all right, well we gotta get out of here now, like this ain't our scene. Let me do that thing. So I get outside. I'm like, yo, how we um just happened on stage? Like what's going on? Oh that's Freddie Mercury. Oh s

birthday from Queen Freddie Mercury from Queen. He was the one get yeah, And I'm like, yo, what the fuck man? It's it's it's it's crazy but legendary all at the same time. Hey, I wanted to I may as well bring something good, right, I don't know what to say, you know, pretty Murcury though, right from Queen. No you don't know who it is? Yeah you do? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, even a rhapsody up. Yes, but no, some of my point is no Instagram back then. No for

hip hop back yeah, for hip hop back then. The reason why hip hop became successful was because there was a genesis of the reggae scene, the punk round scene, and what was happening in the hood. So all those things coming together, it was just like a culture shock and we're like, y'all, these motherfucker's a wild or whatever. But at the same time, even with with like whatever the gay scene was, and even if a lot of us were like raised homophobic, um, a lot of that scene,

they're the first ones to give us a stage. It's the counterculture side of it. Everything was counterculture. Yeah, that's punk. It was all counterfuls. And our manager was a punk person. There was a lot of gay people within her world, and those connections that she had to put hip hop on stage was from that community. The same here in Miami, some of the first hip hop parties were at known

gay clubs. Not the parties weren't gay, right, not, but the only people that would allow the parties to happen in their venue were venues that were doing gay events. Yeah, easily, that's facts. The person who got us true are yeah yeah moment man, no no, no, no, hey that I brought you up. That's oh, it is what it is. It is what it is. That was a venue that and it's been this. But here's the thing. Here's the thing. Either we could confront our reality. It is our way

through life. It doesn't make you anything different who It just makes you a better person to be able to like be like all right, cool, well, no problem whatever you know. But um but at the end of the day, you can't deny that. Like, if you want to talk about how hip hop got its platforms, its first platforms, you might want to question who those people were, because there may have been people there who are looking out

for you that you actually grew up not liking. Expand on that, meaning that if you're a fucking homophobe but you don't know that and you love hip hop, but you don't know that a lot of those clubs were clubs that were owned by gay people or run by gay people, but gave hip hop its first platforms, it's how oh shit, and then you gotta hate them, like I'm not a homophone. I don't give a fuck. You know it ain't hurting me, right, and you know that's right. Yeah,

that's real. Yeah, that's real. So let's talk about USA Skating Ring. You went out there, yep in Queens and you said you broke even uh yeah, yeah. So we went out to their turf and to me, if I battle you on your turf for your crowd and it's and by by audience, it's a tie, I'm not. I'm thinking in my mind, yo, we smoked these motherfuckers, like like, I'm in your neighborhood and it's a tie, and we don't.

We don't. We're not bringing our own judges. So we ended up getting a gig at Lincoln Center August of eighty one, and and and we're don't watching Lincoln Centers in Manhattan. I always thought Lincoln Center was in the bronx. Well, what what's the thing about Fordham for the Forum? Because for Fortam has a bronze campus. Okay, so um I invite you know. That's that's how we ended up battling dynamic rockers for a second time. And that's when it's like for Melsey's on my we are I don't even

know who the DJ was. But um, it was the first time hip hop was at Lincoln Center, right, and that was just like the definitive, like neutral ground, like we smoked you motherfuckers, and like if you were interviewed them, they would never talk about it, right, it never even comes up in there in their history. Mister lead you over there making noise in your way, Dominican b B. You're the only one talking. You know, one who starts he makes the stone gave me quiet, no one, no, no,

we don't like listen. We know we know that. I'm gonna tell me to do it, mister Lee get to Porto Ricans and not getting along. God, so they were like the new the New Hicks. We already went through our face all shit, crazy likes. Hey, but it's true at one point we went them. It's always a new group. And now in New York, well, I'm not gonna get it. They'll get offended if I bring it up right now. Oh now, mistill, He's like, I can talk now. You always have people us at the handball court because we

were nice. Yo. But but but yo, bro, how the hell are you have the Benjamin Button's disease? You would verse in ages. You still look exercising of dancing. Actually, I slacked off on my exercising. I love boxing, that's my that's my that's my first love right there before dance. So I love doing that. And um yeah, my girl fucking be on my case because she's Japanese and she eats different. Yeah no, I think, Um, a little bit of denial goes a long way. It's gym, a little something.

I choose not to be overweight as best I can, and that's difficult because throughout my life, I've been through a lot of injuries. If you know, like if there's like the six million dollar man that's to me, I've had maybe seven surgeries. I probably need three more. Yeah remember him. And you know, it's crazy because I'm a part of hip hop, which the element determines when you stop. You know, it's not me. The element decides that. It's like, all right, your body's done. You can't like you can

keep you can spit bars. Yeah, okay, yeah, yeah, it's all good. It's cool. Yeah, I ain't injuring my elbows. No, nor. I used to be going like, you know, what's a crazy thing had? And this is like the main turning point for me as a kid is that um I was scheduled to be in the Junior Olympics for boxing, but I didn't have the fourteen dollars registration fee and that was when it was like, okay, well I'm gonna be dancing instead. So you know, boxing is my first love.

I love fighting. I don't mind getting punched in the face. It's cool. It wasn't um uh v boying and the Soufa Olympics wasn't in the Soufa Olympics. It was in the Youth Olympics. It's called in twenty eighteen and what elsidas? Okay, yeah cool? And now is is it going to get in the twenty It's in twenty twenty four Paris? And wow? Yeah. I mean I still have my reservations because I need

to see how it plays out. Because to me, if there needs to be a pathway that leads back to the hood, that creates a level playing field for black and brown people to be able to have access to the resources that gets them to your Olympics, because it comes from us, and if it comes from us, we should have that first opportunity at a level playing field.

And are they also going to create some sort of ambassadors to ambassador ambassadorship ambassador ship program that leads into communities to educate people on how we as a people contributed and created this, because how does this system work? Like these people come and compete and then if they win the Olympics, they get the gold medal or whatever. Yeah, if they lose, they completely out of they go straight

back to the hood. That's it. So and so for me, at the end of the day, is the Olympics the great fucking international platform. Yeah, it is what it is. But basketball is in the Olympics, but the Olympics will never be the NBA. So we need to maintain our ship when it comes to like those independent events that hip hop throws and continue to support those because the Olympics is once every four years to make hip hop and the people here the elite, yeah, just like NBA elite. Yeah.

And that means that we have to lift each other up instead of take each other down. Right, That's real. That's Could you imagine people training to be in the Olympics as B boys and B girls and they don't even give a fuck about hip hop at all as a culture. I can't imagine that like, I want to train to play handball and the Olympics. Yeah, but you're

Puerto Rican player. I did think handball me too. Olympics, I would like, oh I thought it was no. Hey, I'm gonna tell you that they called it some mother ship when it was in the Youth Olympics. They called

it some they called it so not one. Like like, right now, one of my messengers missions is, uh, can I raise some sort of money through some sort of corporation or organization that is hip hop to support the people that are representing breaking in the Olympics, because right now there's not one hip hop entity that's supporting any B boy of B girl in the Olympics right now. So you're telling me Rock Nation is not nobody, No Rock rocks that zero nation nation, Yes, one revolt, no one,

absolutely no boy. And these people need and here's the thing they need to nobody. No One's zero. That's a pill nobody about rock Steady. I would tell you, well, if we had the resources, I do it immediately, no problem. I mean I should maybe just say that maybe if you say, maybe maybe this is where it happens, you know, G unit Unit. But shouldn't Rock steady, be like consultants to what they're doing to oversee. Yeah, but then you have to figure out, like, all right, who are the

people leading cash money. I don't think the record of that money. I don't think the record should be pair enough. I mean to sponsor, Yes, sponsor made some bread, sponsor, Yes we want you know what I watched. I watched this golf tournament that it was similar to that where if you win the golf tournament, you get everything, but

if you lose, you get nothing. But the people that qualify, Yeah, but the people that don't get nothing, they still have private jets, They still because these people who sponsor them just because they had their logos on yeah yeah, something like that. And that's what I'm trying to advocate for because I know the brothers and sisters that are in it.

And if it's crazy, because six hundred thousand gets from through the next year into the Olympics to be able to make the qualifiers, hire a trainer, you know, meal programs, all that stuff doesn't even start at the qualifying level like the DS like like DMC, like shouldn't it be like that? Yeah it does. But I know the people who already guaranteed to go in who have done enough already.

But it's like they may have like small sponsorships here and there, but there's no one footing the bill to say, yo, you're good from here to the Olympics. That should only cause six hundred thousand dollars. That's it each person or the whole group, the whole group, oh wow, to give them some peace of mind and be like, yeah, I don't have to work, you know, I could just focus on dancing, you know. I mean, if it's Olympic, that's

the way it should be. Yeah. And then the fact is that like that ship was born here and a lot of watches got more. Yeah. So the thing is, if you look at I think a lot of the other countries, they're supporting their people. The country US is not not one company in the US. But let me ask you, is that hip hop's responsibility? And that's but that's why I set first. There's not one hip hop entity that has stepped up. But maybe we don't know that, like maybe no, but but actually I know what you're

stepped up to inquire. I'm not gonna bring them up, but anybody but yeah, yeah, nah, nah, you have another shot get this man another shot, and we go we're gonna We're gonna play at least you know how I get down. Yes, yes, yes, yes, but you know you know what this is. This is I don't take a shot too, this is this is a hip hop save his own I believe that people are four fallers. You know, CO signed this show. And it's not about you know,

blowing nobody up. It's just about telling the truth, not to say you know what I mean because you had a brother on here the other day and we went and and and and and then he says to me, you know this, this is gonna get me in trouble, right, And I go, it should right, and it should? You listen. I say this a lot. Maybe I didn't say this on the show, but the truth is more powerful than a lie. Always if it's a truth, Yeah, if it's

a truth, go for it. The truth is more powerful than a lie because a lie you don't identify with the line and correct. A lot of lie will go away eventually. But the problem has their own truth. No, not when it's four niggas at his own table and everybody saying I remember that that is one's millions percent solid to the truth, and when you try to run away from that, it's going to pot back up. That's all I mean. Hold on you, I'm gonna tell you,

like when it comes to the truth. The way I see it is like this, there's a lot of people that I know. I know that the deep shit, that dirty, I know that dirt. But even if they die, it's that the safe zone because when they died, it's still got kids. I gotta fucking live that legacy. I don't. I don't want, I don't, so I choose to make sure that you know, honestly, like if we did dirt together and you fucking even if you turn your back on me, I'm still not gonna snitch, you know, because

it's bigger than that for me. And that could be my own ghetto trauma, stupidity or whatever it is. But that's just however, and that's everybody should have moral grounds that they stand on. I could suck up a lot of people's careers right now easily, you know, and people I probably deserve it, but I'm still not gonna do it. Right, Okay, that's real ship. Now, let me ask you, B boy originally stand for boy. Yes, yeah, So we established that

breakdown dancing isn't what B boy. So when you see people from Brooklyn calling itself a B boy and people from Queens, yes, no no, no, no no no, so no because she evolves and that's cool. Only it's only when you're not that. So I was in San Francisco and like around ninety three and I go to this event that run DMC isn't and you asked one DMC about the B boy and they say, because when it came to Queens, it's signed a f lie Yes, damn ye. Yes.

I didn't know that. I didn't know. I was like, I was like, because I was sitting there, I was like, fuck to say the juth as a queen's worst. I wish they had a better answer or was that. I appreciate that because then we found out that jam Assid Jay was actually a B boy. Oh that he actually danced, Yes, oh yeah, jam Master Jay and everything was a B

boy though, yeah, yeah he was. He was. He was for them too, you d y yeah, man during the Source Awards, which Source Awards, Oh, I'll tell you When run DMC was performing, I was in the nineties and I feel like rock Steady DJ's at the time mixed Mass to Mike Hubert and DJ Appollo. They were performing after Source Awards as rock Steady DJ's and they did their routine in rehearsal, did the Peter Piper routine in rehearsal. Yeah, yeah, they did that routine. No one said anything. So during

the show they started doing that running running. The gonna perform after, so they're pissed off because nobody wants that music played before they performed. And they pulled the plug on them in the middle of in Madison Square Garden and I'm sitting like in the front row and i just feel the plug run DMC, run run run run, pull the plug on the DJ playing his music. Yes, yeah on the DJ. I'm saying, yeah, yeah, I feel that.

So I ran up from I ran up into the stage and the back audience and me and him talking shit like it, and I'm like, yo, what the fuck you know, because okay, let me stop me for a second. Recently, I see Whiz Khalifa come on stage and do the same thing. He'd be ready to DJ like he went in and then I see every DJ in the world, Oh you mean yeah, yeah, that was why kind of like go against them the situation you're subscribed. No, no, this is different because they did a rehearsal, everybody knew

what was gonna be played. But in the middle of the show, in front of a packed audience of seven thousand people as a paramount theater, they're gonna go pull the plug on them and humiliate them. They came from San Francisco this j yeah. Yeah, And so you know, me and run mostly got into it, and and you know, he was up in the stairway and I'm trying to get at him and people holding me back because it's just like, yo, I'm not gonna let you bullying my dudes there, my crew, I don't give a funck who

you are. And yeah, that was it. I'm still a fan though. Did you have an aff at the time at that time, yeah, Bruce Water, No, you envisioned his own like you know, I'm good man. I had to put this up like this all right before I'm all right, this is this is this is a pre question. But um, I gotta ask it because I see people trying that we created. Can fat laces ever come back? We started

fat Laces that ninety nine cents store. Don't tell me don't tell me if we use its store ye from elastics that would be used for um uh do you say, what's the word? I'm looking for people who who seem stress and shit like that. So that's how we started. From our perspective. Even before that fat lass was about taking regular laces, wet them, take the tip of the iron, pressed down and then widened them out. And in the

seventies and then yeah, yeah, who made the creases? I don't know, man, you gottat that's some Yeah, that's some older dude ship and I see that and paid in fall and he was asking for the creases. Yeah, I used my creases on the leaves riders. Well you should snatch Lee patches. Uh no, we would. There was this place called Martin Brothers on Fordham Road and then they had a patch that said ONYX and those are like the high end Lee riders. But that was the spot

we got our leaves over there. I should snatched Lee passes patches and collect um the Mercedes bench Oh yeah, but Cadillac I was so poor. I was pop the ship. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah. I think I was like like, yo, little Poppy, we know you don't Lettauck Cadillac. Hey, I just want to be clear on one thing, Like, so, to me, when I talk about the negative shit in my life that I've done or I've been a part of an experience, it's not to brag about it or

celebrate its history. It's just no, it's yeah, it's history. But at the same time, you know, to be able to turn your life around and just walk away from shit before it hits that next level, you know, there's a lane for that too, you know. And I guess trying to show people like yo, you know, yeah, we all come from a lot of us come from a fucked up situation. I can tell you ship that alow your mind. But but when um people hear those stories, but they don't hear like hey, but I'm doing this X,

Y and Z right now. You know, we gotta give that contrast to give them some clarity, like, Yo, my dude, you don't have to stay stuck on stupid or or be susceptible to that peer pressure, you know. And I think that's the power of hip hop, to be honest with you. Although you know, hip hop has a bad rap and there's a lot of fucked up shit, but I think that's the illest part about hip hop has turned a lot of people's lives around. Yeah, it's giving

us lives. Yeah, it's giving us careers, it's given us pathways. Most power in the world right now, Yeah, not just but not just musically, like in this totality art. Yeah, it's amazing artists selling for hundreds of thousands of dollars now. So yeah, like my boy that was just tagging and bombing and fighting in the streets over fucking tags. Now he's fucking selling his ship for hundreds of thousands of dollars.

You know, Like it's amazing to see that, you know, to see b boys and be girls that that that that there were just these hood kids in the neighborhood dancing traveling the world. You know, that's amazing to me. And you danced for Queen Elizabeth. Yeah, Elizabeth and Queen but she's on the land, Madonna, and you grind it on Madonna. You're grinding on Madonna. Yeah before she blew up, she never That picture out there was taken by Henry child Fund and it was at dance sing terriat No, honestly,

I'm gonna tell you right now. So there's all right, So she used to come to the rocks He and hang out. But before that, again, we were at Dancing Teria, so I saw one of her person person her first performances there and before she became like Madonna, you know, before she had a single out. But um, when she used to hang out at the rocks He, you know a lot. She'd be hanging out with a lot of my boys who are Latino. And I'm sure Mayor has some stories because you know, you probably know some of

the people who went to hang out of her. What was homie dude from all our records that made Jellybean jelly Bean believe her. That was later a little bit later, Okay, okay, so yeah, But the thing is is that I wasn't ever into white girls, but she wasn't. Let's let's be honest. She was. She was kind of in tune with hip hop early on. Absolutely yeah, for the eight from the eighties. Yeah, and that's because she met us in danceteria. But I wasn't into white girls, but a lot of my boys

she used to go and hang out. Nah, fuck that shit. I was only dating black and Puerto Rican girls back then. I said, I said, dance for Queen Elizabeth. Oh, Queen Elizabeth. Yeah. So when I was there, when we went to perform for Queen Elizabeth, I'm over here looking at her like, you know, I gotta shake her hand. And she had the jewels around her neck. She smelled like marijuana. Nah,

she had these jewels around her neck. So I'm supposed to be looking at her in her eyes like you know, your highness whatever, and I'm like, damn, I want to snatch that ship. Oh my god, he's gonna say that. I mean again, that's and that's that double life. Did you know what it meant to for the Queen? Did you know what it meant to you? Now? You didn't give it a fun? Wait? Wait wait, wait, this a two part question. Did you know what it meant? Or did you I didn't know what it meant. Okay, maybe

that's real. You didn't know. I didn't know what it meant because we grow up. We don't know the president coming from the hoods. Yeah, you want to meet James Brown, But she was blah blah, you know, but you know who she was what she was. Yeah, I didn't give a fuck. Okay, Yeah, it meant nothing to me. I didn't grow up that way. You know it got to pick the pick. Oh, this is the pick mcdonna. We got going back to Madonna. I might ask you again. You're not gonna carr Madonna back in the day they man,

leave me the fun out of crazy legs. He was outside, Let me see he was he was outside. It was outside. Yeah, you're right your yeah, but she was cool. She's cool. I'm not gonna fust she was not a virgin, absolutely not or the very first time I doubt that guy. Yeah, and then homegirl Debbie Maze how used to hang out with us. His brother dated Debbie Maze Hard and that was when she was called Debbie m Right. Yeah, yeah, I had an amazing time. Man, let me take a

shot for it was fun. Like one time we end up, we get, I noticed how he was not sticking away from the shots to stick again. Yeah, I take another drink. Look. So one time we get, we get invited to go to a recording studio because some recording artists as a fan of ours and they want to surprise him with a like in studio performance. And this is like nineteen eighty two and he's like one of the biggest artists out there. And uh, we go, then it's fucking David Bowie.

Oh sure, YouTube? Huh no, no, David Bowie. Let's dance, David Bowie, not YouTube? What's it? Who's your YouTube? David? But it's bad Let's dance? Yeah? Yeah, yeah yeah, so yeah, So we were having like interesting times like that, meeting like really bugged out punk rock people. Me, Prince Nah, I mean Prince Michael Jackson I met when I worked on a bad video. Tell us about that. But you were on the on the set, Yeah, yeah, I was in it was it? Who was in that set? Wasn't

all Westley Wesley Night. So I auditioned with Martin Scorsese for the Wesleys for that part. Really Martin Scorsese didn't but that I don't know, it's not all relevant. I auditioned for him, and uh, I knew I didn't get the part immediately because he was just like, yo, you know, like when you live a little, I think you'd be a really good actor. And I'm like, he said, live

a little, yeah, like meaning more wisdom, life explie. Yeah. So, um, Wesley got the part, and I ended up being an extra on the train scene in the long version of the video, But I got to hang out with him, take a picture of me and him and with Michael. You know who Martin Scorsese was. I found out years later, So I'm like auditioning, not giving a fuck, don't know who he is and in the job. Yeah, but in that picture you're looking at kadem Hardison is in there too. Yeah, yep,

Kadeem Hardison is right there. So how was Michael? Did you probably blew up? You interact with Michael one? Huh? Miked? I felt like my was just going pulled out a bag. I mean he might tell me that that might. All I did was asking for a photo and an autograph where you start struck by Michael, to be honest, Yeah, absolutely, yes, he was Mike back then eighties. Yeah. I mean he's the biggest pop star in the world. Yeah, and our film sets there's a certain decorum. You can't really cross

certain lines. And he's not just that one Michael. You got Michael from the Jackson five, who's already a celebrity, you know what I'm saying. So that's that's real, That's cool, damn it. Man. We come across some interesting people like Tina Turner, Gene Kelly, like you're dealt with Tina Turners. Yeah, tell him. So we were going to perform in Holland and hell huh Holland. Yeah that space Cakes, Space Cake. I don't remember, so maybe yes, that's Holland, that's Holland.

So yeah, so there's not Hollanddale maybe too. Drking Dragon coming holiday. I look at him, Sorr. Yeah, No, she just wanted to meet us. We were all performing on the same show. And uh, it's kind of like this, the person wants to meet you, and and we're super young, so we still don't really know who the fuck she is anyway, back then, did we cares like the message? I know, it's crazy. We're looking at the back tfo. We don't give a shit about that, you know. So, yeah,

we met her. That happened with Gene Kelly, like another surprise visit. That's the kiss Gene Kelly. No, that's Gene Simmonds, all right exactly, Jean Kelly, legendary dancer, tap dancer shit. Yeah, we um, we lived some ghetto rock star shit. It was cool. So we didn't kick up back then at all. You know, we did in terms of what I don't know, I got up means something different. But who's somebody that that that that told you they was a fan that she was blown away from. Well, the queen was a fan.

She was an actual fan to my queen Elizabeth. Yeah, she was a fan of She was actual fan. Really, Yeah, try to break down George. I mean, come on, he was a fan the comedian No man, Yeah he was because I saw so they used to have like fan mail back then, and and uh in the fan mail, it's like all these questions that the fans asking, then you fill out each one. So in his answer when he puts music that he bought or who he's into,

he put rock Steady Crew. That's dope. Yeah, makes so who in hip hop were you a fan of that you met that you kind of were like fan boyed out. That's within your own world though, like Cat Grandmaster Haz is my hero, you know, Charlie Chase is also my boy. Uh, but yeah, I would say grand Master cast because he represented the battle in every way, so and I you know, I'm all about the battle. So how old are you

when you first meet him? Fuck? I was a fan of his and watching from the outside the ropes in seventy seventy I probably saw him seventy seven, seventy eight. I don't remember when he got into Cold Crush, but whenever he got in, that's when I became a fan of his. And so it was home alone too that you I was an extra. It was an extra. It's funny too. And that's the same place that used to rob people. That's what That's what it is. I asked

you that earlier. Yeah, I did a little bit. Yeah yeah, yeah, no. So it's funny because we had a certain name and I'm not gonna get into it because I get canceled immediately. I mean, you know what I'm talking about the area and uh such a part. We had a certain name for it. But uh yeah, and in eighty two, I think was the highest crime rate of Central Park. And let's just say I was associated with a lot of people involved with that and him being one of them. Damn,

come out your court. And the crazy said is that, you know you at a certain point you had the Guardian Angels, like we had competations with them. They were confronting Hall. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah. We didn't know how to take that because you know, at that age, you're thinking like Guardian ages with the yeah, yeah, they're braided. Yeah, they were ever raised. Yeah, so you know you funked out all of them was on cocaine as well. Huh we found out the Guardian age, I wouldn't Yeah, I

want to be surprised. Man. It was just it was dudes like us who acted like they really knew karate and we believed the ship believed them too. By the way, right in the train, seeing the Guardian Angels being up nine to eleven felt safe. I felt safe. I can't out front on them. Were they necessary evil in that time? Probably? I wouldn't even say that evil. Man, I know what I'm saying. Who he was Italian? He was Italian? No sleewa, that he was what's his name? The guards Sleewa? You

know he was like who the dude the main guy? Yeah, I thought he was Italian sea. I don't know, there's a documentary. No matter what he was, he wasn't one of us, Okay, yeah, yeah, And that's when they had like Hector Camacho and all these other dudes doing like anti graffiti campaigns. Hector Camacho did an anti yes, am

I right, who else anti graffiti campaign? But yeah, but you look at it, this way the outer world of our existence was paying our own people to campaign against us, right right the well, New York City, they had a big campaign against us. Wow, it's kind of like how Trump took it add out against these brothers from the same shit good that was. It's horrible. Yeah, So let's talk about uh, Jimmy D and Jimmy Lee, the founders

of the rock Steady Crew. Yeah, then how did they? Um, how did you meet them to get down with rock Steady? I mean, so there was this place called mom and Pop's Disco on Katona Avenue in the Bronx. You love Katona Avenue. Man, you gotta you gotta buy coltona Aue. I mean that's why I started. Yeah, you gotta buy yeah yeah, yeah. So you got an accident on there, that's where you first got You had an accident on Katona Avenue. And what do you mean, no, no, no,

didn't you fall or something like that? Well, that's where you made the windmill, because that's why I made you didn't want to fall? Okay, I'm sorry? Yeah right, So, um, Jimmy D. I met them at this place ka mom and Pop's Disco, which was an underground nightclub this dude, a little angel Puerto Rican Cat used to be the DJ there and it was where a lot of the lot, a lot of the premiere be boys and be girls

would be with, especially within a lot the community. So I went there like maybe seventy seven, seventy eight, and at this time, I'm sorry to cut you off, but be boy and is probably more important than MCM. And now everything was dope, everything was on the same, everything was okay, it was a fresh. Yeah, it was all dope, all fresh because you remember, like Kaz Mellie Mel, all of them used to be B boys, right, so they

always had a relationship. And when you have people like um, Jimmy d and Jimmy Lee who are notorious at the same time, they were going to get that respect no matter what because they were a threat, you know. So but and these are two fucking dudes that never grew up to be tall, you know, and but they were they were s they were fearless. Yeah, they were fearless. And uh so when I everyone on watch out for

a little guy everyone yeah. So um yeah, as soon as I met them, I was maybe like eleven years old, and the first thing they did was taking to go do snatch a purse And it didn't work out, but that was my introduction the purse snatch. Now it was fucking desolate and the bronx. There was no one there to rob, no purses around the hooks at Hunts Point, say tumbleweed and ship because then you help um uh cleaned up Hunts Point as well. Yes, I became part

of a program. Well, I created a program within the Point Community Development Corporation because a lot of my boys had already dropped off, you know, so a lot of people have been murdered. And I was facing a situation of do I go in deeper and and go all the way and finish this out, or do I just walk away and just say fuck it, this ship is dumb. And I walked away, and I said, Okay, from this

point on, I'm gonna get back to the community. I'm get use my talent to save the lives of the people who made the same bad decisions that led to all of my boys' deaths. So I volunteered for three years at the Point for three days a week, teaching dance and throwing events and you and bringing these kids to like wetlands and we take over the club, and I put the kids at the at the box office.

I let them sell the merch, I let them host a show, I let them run the B Boy battle everything, and to give them some sort of dignity and pride and understanding of how to do business. And that was like the first gentification to hunts Point. Ye back then everyone knew hunts Point for one thing, and this is positive gentification. Yeah yeahs he took the hook us out,

he started dancing. Yeah. Well, Disney, Well, Disney took the peep shows out, and he brought in dis nance and he took the hookers out, and he brought in B Boy and god damn it. Yeah, here's the whole huts point. But I'm gonna tell you right now, here's here's a

crazy shit. You do shit like that and you're still like not in tune with your emotions in terms of like the damage that you've experienced in your life and how that affects you, you know, and how much of a ticking time bomb you are fucking tears later on

when you're you're dealing with remorse. So when you have a brother call you twenty years later and knowing that he lived right around the street or a corner from a place where there's a line waiting for a crack housle open every day, just like New Jack City, exactly like that. So, Um, when they call you twenty years later, randomly at different times, like yo, you saved my life, like I'm doing this, this and this now these other people are dead, but you saved my life because I

got down with you, and that should change. Yeah, yeah, yeah, and I'm not. And the crazy thing is that I was still pulling myself out of some dirt. So the struggle was again, still living two different lives while trying to go in the right direction and not fall into like, fuck that motherfucker. We should hurt him, you know, hurt people, hurt people, hurt people helping people. Yeah. So, and the thing is is that, you know, again, it goes back to um, not pulling myself away from people who will

happily do damage. There's a person and I'm not again, I'm not bringing his name up. He used to run this area that we're in right now, and not raw again, I am not saying names, but when when that person, I mean, I was in this area when Zulu and all these guys were Yeah, so so when that person heard that somebody was getting sideways with me, that person was approached and I can't. I can't have that happening. You know, It's like, yo, might duty like you're gonna

get me some conspiracy charge here? What are you fucking doing? Right? So, yeah, it's good to have the ride of dies, but sometimes you gotta walk away from that ship because it'll it'll kill you. Right, So let me ask you if I don't ask you this question about to ask you, you know about thirty years maybe forty years ago, probably understand exactly what you're gonna say, right, but I'm gonna ask

you to it right now. If you woke up today, right and you had all the hip hop history erased and we're just based in Europe from what you heard from twenty twenty three on how much of the original DNA of hip hop still exists right now me and depends on which that action you look at it? Yeah, that is the truth. Yeah, Okay, so you just pick

wishes direction and you want to go. Hip hop is divided. Uh, Yeah, of the industry that thinks it's hip hop, but doing an element of hip hop could care less about the rest and then you have a lot of self righteous hip hop heads and we it would be nice if we met in the middle somewhere. Okay, self righteous hip hop answer? Who? Meaning that anything that this group over here does that's into the industry is horrible because the com it's commercial. Like I listened to modern shit, you

know what I mean. I'm not trying to look at some new ship as it's not hip hop because it's not from my time? Are you with a little busy? I fuck with all that he breaks it to. He's a b one too. It's like crazy, like I was supposed to be in one of his videos and you a little together? Yeah one day, one day. He's a good brother. But go ahead. But um, I think it's there.

But I think it's it's divided in a big way, right, and I think that that is bad for our community because that's why you have this whole other thing of uh Latino where the Latinos there are not And it's like, yeah, because you divided the elements, you divided the community. And what's happened is that hip hop is a commodity that is only traded in rap music and then the art, the b boys, the DJs, they take it seriously. In terms of turntableism, they've all been splintered. We can't point

where they don't even hip hop. I can't be mass produced like a record, so I can't make as much right right, So there's a big difference. I don't get royalties off of something unless it's a film that I've been in. You get royalties every time your record is played, So there's a big difference. And think about and think about let's let's think about the if you want to put it in a conspiracy, who benefits off of the splinter the The industry that that monetizes the music cannot

monetize these other elements. So they said, okay, boom, we shed that this is hip hop. But you know what's crazy, I brung it up earlier. How much Europe to me respects hip hop more If you actually think about it. In Europe, the B boy and the DJ is on the same level as the MC. Yeah they are, but it's on the same level, and that's how to me. No, but it's changing, it's changing. It's they're they're changing with

us too as well. So you meaning that the MC is becoming No, no, they're they're becoming more Americanized in their view of hip hop. Well, I haven't seen you. I haven't been. It's gone with damn, I know, trying to get a bag because I don't think it's nothing wrong with getting the bag. I no, but we still

have the integrity list and that's the problem thing. So I've been doing these documentaries where I've traveled to different countries trying to find hip hop, well, exploring the country through hip hop, through the scope of hip hop, and every single country, the same thing has been told to me. You guys don't do hip hop anymore. You do business. You are not you. We don't, We do not look

to you anymore. Now, these places that used to look to themselves as the innovators, as the pioneers, they look to themselves and there and their neighbors. Like I went to Vietnam, Vietnam looks to Korean Japan and to themselves. I went to Colombia. Columbia by itself. Is it's like hip hop hip hop? Diego was there too. I think the message in hip hop no longer exists from our perspective over here, right fuck, you know, like where's the messaging?

But we still got to what what sucks is that hip hop is the number one cultural export of the United States to the world, and the United States and ourselves do not identify that and make sense of it to and make make it a thing that we could either monetize or politicize or make it a political thing.

We just don't use. And the fact that breaking comes from the fucking backyard of the United States and not one of them has been sponsored who are going to the Olympics by anything in the United States shows how much regard they have for us. All Right, yeah, we're assholes. Well we're fucking shit up. Well, you know what, Um, We've been talking about this hip hop union for a long time, right, me and E F n Um. When we saw this show, it was like, Yo, I forget

who was sick in hip hop? And it was like, wait a minute, the bills wasn't paid or something like that, and we were like, yo, hip hop needs a union. There's no way you can put in twenty thirty years of work, in your case, forty five years of work and then you get sick and it should be on your family, Like it was only your family to miss, you know, Christmas When you was performing in France, there was only your family to miss Thanksgiving when you're performing

in Russia, Like why should your family beer? Why? What shouldn't we have a union. It would be nice, but until that, no one trusts, no one. I just have to operate as you know, I operate as if no one owes me anything, and I got to handle my shit.

I'm responsible for my own relevance and my own finances and and how I take care of my own medical and if there's something comes where there's a fund for people like myself who are pioneers, like if I'm well off at the moment, I probably wouldn't accept it because there's probably yeah, but no, No. The thing about it is, especially you know, um with how we're kind of owning our own stuff now like we're actually in the era, and especially with a podcast, you know, yeah, I would love,

you know, you know, to stop talking about it. And I would love to like, you know, Joe Budden, well, Chuck D. You know, Chuck D. He's created something I don't know. Well, let's dare do it. Joe Buden, mallon dollars worth of a game, Gillian Willow, you know, Nori and efn uh I think we should put up a couple of dollars and just put it in a pot with it's it's see through, put it in Killer Mike's bank. I trust Killer Mike, and I trust this bank, and

just lead that ship there until. Not to say that we want something catastrophic to happen, but if something happens, if if, if a little something if. But that's not the way it works, man, No, we gotta make it up. No, it's not the way it works, Chuck D. I think it's kariss ones involved. They got the government involved. You need bigger funds to really make a difference. You can't. We can't take a couple of podcasts and put a couple of dollars in Well, we fucking need the dollars ourselves.

But we can still empower each other. That's it. That's what I'm saying. That's like empowering some some people who are representing the United States on the highest level ever. Get them six hundred gs or if you could raise funds that's what they have. But here's the thing, right, a lot of us don't know, don't understand how do we do that? Right? Okay? Cool, you said, Chuck D. Has an idea. So they did it. They did okay, alright investing, and I feel like we should do something right,

and this is something that I just learned. Right. I went to Opus one right, and Opus one I thought I knew, which is a great wine. It's a great wine. Right. So I went to the factory right, and I really thought I knew everything about wine. Right, And he gave me the two thousand and eighteen. He gave me the two thousand and sixteen, gave me the two thou and then no, I did not, but you're you're correct. I

heard the ninety six. It is fantastic. He didn't have right, but I went through it all and I loved him all. And then he brung me what was later considered the throwaway. All drink it and we all said this is our favorite, right, and he said, you know why, it's because that's exactly what it is. It's what you want it to be.

Sometimes we can sit around and just sit around and say, let's wait for it to be perfect, and let's wait for al Shopton to come over there and do some jump ropes with us, and then you know, do it. And then sometimes it's just like, let's just do the right thing do. The right thing is let's just just whatever whatever, and if anything happens, because that's really take it as far as you can take. That's really what insurance is. It's just in case shit happened, right, So

just so let's just throw whatever whatever. Maybe we're not gonna do it the right way. Maybe we're not, But the fact is I will feel fucking awesome knowing that a hip hop legend caught a stroke, and for us as podcasters, we stepped up and said his family bills taking care of that ship. I wouldn't yesterday. I couldn't sleep at night. That wouldn't make me sleep at night like that. But let me let me tell you this. This is you helping yourself. Let me rebuttal you this. However,

me help myself. I don't plan. Let me let me let me give you a rebuttal Okay. If Chuck D, who I trust, has always had the best interest of hip hop in his heart, if he's leading, he ain't come to drink jams. No, but Chuck D ain't reach out back. You know something wrong. He should have been here. Chuck ddun did wipe me crazy since we reached out, he said, he does not do interviews, and all of a sudden he's been doing every other and okay, that's

your so let me let me feed us. Okay. So if he's doing something him and there's a coalition of people involved and they they're doing it the right way, my thing is, let's contribute to what they're doing. Because if why they contribute. He's been saying this for seven years, hold up the splintering of it everything. People to do this, and graph writers do this. Okay, you know what you do that, Chuck D. Podcasters do this. Fuck it. We're all gonna do it different because it's gonna make me

feel better. No, bro, contribute to the movement that it's gonna do it right the organizations. Because we've been speaking this for seven years, and I've been watching and I've been watching the fans for seven years. Tag this man on Twitter, follow him on Twitter, Chuck D and every one of these other people, And guess what, none of them have ever hit me on DM. None of them have ever pursued that. So I'm tired of waiting for our forefathers, our near fathers, with their both fathers. Why

did they reach out? You mean to tell me you mean to tell me, hold on, let's be clear out to us to do it. Let's be clear. No, no, why did they reach out for us to be a part of it? You mean to tell me every time they say something or every time something like that with a hip hop union is it's brung up. I love our fans on Twitter because you know what they say, don't You've never been saying this for seven new years, for seven years, for seven years, and I'm not willing

to talk about it no more. I'm willing to put the same way I'm willing to invest into Drunken Dragon a Hollander, which I'm doing the same way. I'm willing to invest in fox Hole, which I'm doing the same way. I'm willing to put up a couple of such and such, just a hav An account just in case if Maxwell fall and break his ankle. Let's help about maybe something. Well, I'm sucking around. Here's the thing, here's the thing himself.

For me as a dancer, there are times when I've had insurance and I didn't have insurance right, so whatever I had in the bank went towards my surgery. Right. So with an hour name. As dancers, we get fucked up the most, Yes, and we're all taking care of ourselves. Like I've come out of pocket so much money for the ship that I do just for the love of

hip hop. Right, So there's a lot of people out there who are representing and I think that's probably like the most injuries you know for dance, you know in hip hop, but funerals, God bless us, the hip hop funerals that you go start to see and you'd be like, damn, the shit is not taken care of. That shit is like like, that's I mean, and I don't I had a rebuttal with you. I don't want you to say that I'm disagreement and I'm disagreeing d what he's doing.

The problem is we're so available, we're so out there, and our platform actually exists. Our platform actually exists where weekly guess what. Your platform is a force and you guess what. Guess what, Chuck and whoever who else is doing it. Maybe and Chick is a fan of the platform. Maybe he said he's willing to maybe care us, but maybe y'all, Maybe y'all didn't want to come here, but at least let's promote y'all platform on this platform because this is what it's made for. It's made for us,

because I guess, I guess what. Go ahead and try to go to Hot ninety seven. Now they got ninety four seven. It beat let's pick up? Uh, Psyche sounds like the founds, Miss Jones. I think mister c is over there and there. Actually this is another station besides Rock the Bells. And I love Rock the Bells, but Rock the Bells cannot say that they did not base what we were doing awful and we were giving all legends their flowers. I think we're still are giving. Really,

I'm actually an equity owner of Rock the Bells. No, they did it, reached out to several of us, and they did give us equity in the company. Beautiful. Uh so I gotta salute the beautiful doing great things. Yeah, yeah, I got nothing. I would never have anything bad to say about. Okay, care, rest One and Cares have launched the union. All right, cool, I'm mad. Why are you mad? Because they should hill at y'all because no, no, I'm saying, I understand, but you can't get playing. But I'm not playing.

The thing about it is, we can't be outdated like we can't be sitting around and do something that was brought up publicly on this show for seven strong years. But we live in an era where nobody even sees everything. Yes, but there's someone in his camp, just like George Clinton just came here, just Clinton, ain't I could tell he never saw an episode of Drink Champs his fucking lights, and I loved him anyway. But his grandchildren said, this

is the place where you posted be true. So you mean to tell me that once they set up that campaign, they ain't No, it wasn't no one who said Drink Chace were saying this ship for seven years. They've been trying, They've been waiting. But but but maybe they've been saying it for seventeen years. Wen't hear it. I ain't hearing that. It's every one of the albums. I'm just saying I got everyone albums. We don't got everyone of them. I ain't hear we don't know, we don't know. You gotta

give the benefit. I don't know why he said the black but I want me but simple support that. I'm not saying I don't support it. I'm saying I have no control over that. I have nothing, I have no information of that. Cool. You know our engineer just sent that to us. Um, this should be front page news. It's it's probably the problem is it's not from page news. Guess what ours? But guess what it's the media. Guess what, sir, case I don't know that every time we drop we're

fromt page news. Yes, we're from page well cardist. If we want it, and sometimes we don't even want it, we're doing it. Definitely. It's a lot of times like that you say it can do and I'm standing y'all it there's a lot of times we don't want front spay news. But this is something and that's what we care about the community. We care about hit But this, this,

this is, this is what we have to do. It can't like like you said, it can't be a care arrest one Chuck d thing, uh and a crazy leg stay rock steady thing and then a drink Champs thing. Oh okay, cool, maybe it's not a drink Champ thing. We all need to we say podcasting, we'll handle it all part because we couldn't handle it because absolutely, if we could have, we would have did it seven years ago. So let's just do to the people we know that uh uh, Joe Button is happy from it's from doing

what he's doing. We know that a million dollars worth a game. These are people that we can come and talk to and say, listen, let's just maybe it's a podcast fund. Maybe Chuck d in them is the Jerry Lewis telling it's the rap and then and then. But the thing is sitting around and doing nothing and sitting around, just sitting around and sitting around and sitting around. It makes us seem like we're just talking. But I don't want to talk to the people doing sometimes I don't

want to see if we can fit in. If we can't, then we don't. At the end of the day, we don't feel starts out the needs. You raise the funds and you put that into and I agree with you. Said you said raise the funds. That's also that's also what we're doing. And not only that. We want to give back said it should be something like that, But we give back so much beautiful things that we obtain. And it's not the yst about financials and riches. It's about okay, man, yeah, look at that ship. Look at

the look that's George Clinton artwork. He did that right. He came George. That's all. I got a George Clinton story. But I can't say this. What's the other artist's name? I want to give him Jonas? Yeah, with George Clinton, they both did. Let's give us that George Clinton story. Let's go. It's acid involved that I'm thinking about. It was he opened about shit like that. Yeah, that's open.

So it was like a zoo anniversary and I'm over here, like, you know, I'm thinking, you know, nothing but the dog and me is in the back, you know what I'm like. And then all of a sudden, like I'm taking him to uh, I had to drop off at his hotel as a favor, and he just started like you up a little packet in the bag. And I hear, Yo, this motherfucker's wild in my car right now. Ain't nothing but the dog. Yeah, yeah, you were like, I could have sold it to him, all stuck him up. I

never sold that though, balls. No, I bought something to oh yeah to my memory is good? You that like hustle. I wasn't a dealer, my boy. Oh my god, yo, man, razy legs man, let me just tell you something. Your legend of a leg abolutely um we we we We clearly made this show for people like you, Um, hip hop fifty. I know you kind of said you didn't agree with hip hop being fifty. You said forty seven, but I'll stand with it. You're standing with it, will

stand with it, stand with it. And in your opinion, you said forty seven, forty eight, forty eight, forty which is two years off and that's you know, we're pretty much all Druggs. Yeah, so it's like, goody two years. You might have crap because the aid you never know, but that was because two year years for the ecstasy. It's like it's gone. But we want you to know your legend hip hop owes you uh, and not just be boying you know, because um, you know it's crazy,

like you look at these records. Now, these records have a dance to go with the record. Yeah, yes, dance is still there. But for me, I've always felt like I'm hip hoppy for I'm a B boy because when I got into the game, I saw I witness everything happening without any kind of label over it. It was just what was happening, like a girl doing double ditch. You lived it, you know, it was you were it yeah. So for me, I'm always hip, hoppy form a B B boy, But we want to show you love. There's

anything you regret before you got out there? Um not finishing school old shit, definitely da I was on that path. I ended up in Hunter College, and I used to know the Hunter College is on sixties seventh Street. And you never went to the Bronx Yeah, no, I'm talking about college. No, well, I did go to Bronx Community for a minute. Then I switched to Hunter College and then um me and this dude, um am I forget his name, God not to rock the other one that

hates him, Ben Diesel. We used to go to Hunter College together. We used to hang out. Yeah, we used to you have been dies went to school together. Yeah college. Did you almost forget you went to fucking college with Diesel? Did you almost forget that? Yeah? Your life is dope. Make some noise for that. But he used to be a B boy. He was a B boy first. Yeah, he told be boy first what he needed to come to dreams? What has he been or these at the time he was Ben. Yeah, he was just oh, come on, bro,

let's lead. So we used to hang out in in a cafeteria Hunter College and try to pick up on a girl's playing space from New York. Yeah, oh I didn't know that, but yeah, I mean, you know, hopefully all this stuff in detail. We all working on a couple of films right now, me and Fat Joe and E Frivera working on a Latino contribution in hip hop documentary. Um, you know more more you guys can get dream Champs involved in. Yeah, of course. I mean we want to

definitely do it as something that's educational. We don't want to cause more divide, just provide data. Yeah, we want to provide data for people and say yo boom. If you're not sure this is where and when and now, if you want to be an asshole, that's up to you, you know. And so there's that, and then we're doing the rock Steady documentary right now, which is all going to be from my perspective, and then there's a few

other things on the table. We'll see what happens as synonymous with Zulu is it no one, No, not at all. We're all own thing, okay, yeah yeah, so yeah, so there's a lot of good shit, you know. For me, it's about my festival in Puerto Rico working on these films and then um a lot of relief work, but expanding beyond Puerto Rico because with all the shit that that just happened in Turkey, I felt like, wow, I know how to bring people, you know, the opportunity to

have clean water. I know what that takes. But you know, then you need to start needing more financial resources to make that happen. You've seen the dude and I've mentioned and I'm sorry I don't know the guy's name right now, and I mentioned him before. He has the machine that extracts air yeah into clear water from the United States. Like that, dude is incredible. We did I mean we man, we did ship and he's donating his machines to Tesla Costa was donating a bunch of shit too, Eli, Yeah,

he donated you know. Yeah, so they during Hurricane Maria days, there's just one community that we went to where their their source of water was like two three hundred feet down and there was this really old nineteen seventy three a diesel generator that the US government dropped off during the hurricane like here, figure it out. And Tesla donated these batteries that would generate the water three hundred feet up to a community of eight hundred families. Yeah, yeah,

wow we helped. Yeah, well, Eli doing his thing or is all right? Yeah, all right with the y'aller he let me go crazy on Twitter, wild boy, I'm just playing man, yo, crazy legs. Man, I'm gonna be honest. Man, you rock steady. You know, all the things that you contributed to hip hop will be remorse to not you know, always throw flowers that you can, always you know, respect

what you're doing. I'd like, you know, I enjoy this when I when I get the pioneers, when I get the legends, when I get the icons, and I just explore their history. Like I said, for a month, I've just been walking around like you, like I don't know. That's why my big boy, you see, my big boy he fell because we were thinking about you know what I mean, Like man, be boying me learning be boying and break dancing. It's two different things. Be learning that

break dancing is actually frowned upon word. And yes it's frowned upon. But now you know, but it's crazy me even learning that. But breaking it is not right? Are you saying breakdance? It's kind of like when you say south Side, you just say south Side. You don't say, yeah, we're gonna go saus dancing. So um man, we just want to tell you man, our show was based on, you know, giving legends. And you know, people that's been in this game for more than ten years, they flowers

because you know, they's just face it. Hip hop is the only age is M music yea, there is yeah Pink Floyd and you know all these other people can go you know as why I said Gene Simmons earlier to do with the tongue, right, you know what I mean? Like people don't even know he's old because he hadn't make up his old face, so goddamn time and he can go and go all and he can do this and no one says he's washed up. But they don't have elements either. And that's the difference between hip hop

as well. Yeah, well we gotta they're just music and drugs. We got everything. We gotta. We gotta figure the fuck out because the last time I checked, you know, if you take a good meal and you season it correctly and you put it in there the fridge, you get it out three days later and you take that out well marinated. Good. But you know what you're thinking about that? You know what that's called seasoned. Yeah, that's what the technically hip hop if it's if hip hop is about

fifty years old, it's just realizing its own wisdom. It's the double seeking in I think. I think if it were a human being at fifty, you know, a lot of us are coming to terms our own remorse, regrets, all kinds of ship. And at fifty years old, you're still busting nuts. Holla. The individual can come up with those things. But when you've been hijacked by corporations, yeah, it's a whole other mixed beans. Enough of us are still alive to make shit right, you know, or at

least planted seeds. We may not see it, or at least I mean, we can't do it for the sake of seeing it in our lifetime, because that's unrealistic, you know. So we have to just plant the seeds and hopefully that ship works into something for somebody else later on. I think it will. I'm good with that. I think we're doing it. Ain't about me, ain't about us. I like the back of it works, yo, man, Thank so, thank you appreciate that there. Thank you for I'm not

gonna stop drinking. I'm gonna keep going and do some drops and then be good. I'll be over the holy shit. Yeah go to the back. Yeah yeah, yeah, go ahead. Great episode. Drink Champs is a Drink Champs LLC production and association with Interval Presents. Hosts and executive producers n O r E and dj e FN from Interval Presents executive producers Alan Coy and Jake Kleinberg. Listen to Drink Champs on Apple Podcast, Amazon Music, Spotify, Stitcher, or wherever

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