Episode 348 w/ My Expert Opinion

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Where come on, happy gooder thing, good good friend Russ. But right now what I like to say, this is one of the hottest podcasts on the street. They arguing they started controversy. I was so happy they see them and I'm so proud to introduce my extra to pinion on Motherfucker drinks. Man, I can't I can't. You know, Math, I'm gonna be honest with you, Math, like I brag about you. I brag about you because you're one of the people who actually listen to And I'll be like, ye,

let this should be working. I'll be scared to give him. I don't want to not work, no more so. But guys, you guys have been on a road. How did how did? How did we come here? Because I felt it feels like the show. Let speak about the show. It feels like the show. This is like it's third leg, like it's a third different iteration. Yeah, like yes, and so so it described to the people who who well, first, I want to say, part of me even getting here was you believing that's right. You know, I was the

first battle rapping. I was the first battle rapper drinking, you know what I mean. And and just knowing that you had that type of um belief in what I was doing and you put me on the platform that you've had. Na's so many like so many legends. That gave me a lot of energy to just go back in and keep it going, you know. I mean, and I found a good crew and we're here now. How did we get here though, because I remember it felt

like it was a different crew in the beginning. And then the girl that was one of the things that that you told me told me to do, I did that. Shout out to Misfit. You know, that's still a homie. But she went on. She had she created her own platforms and we're working on something with her now for the future. Um. Yeah, and there was knowledge shout the knowledge hip hop is real. You know, he still covers all the battle rap events and all that stuff, like

he's the number one in that field. Shout the Uncle Rod also, and yeah, after that, it was kind of like, you know, just just finding the right niche, you know, with a with a barbershop. Every time you walk into barbershop, you're not gonna see the same person. So, you know, it was like that for a little while. But I feel like I got a good squad now and we're here, ye here man, the flowers off top. Give you all your flowers, man, y'all deserve your flowers. Let's get your

flowers and we could have gavest fucking sucks. It's right and righting you God damn it, Jesus, we had to see We had to see it all the gather you got us. We don't look like experts at all. Yeah, Jesus Jesus did. Come on, Come on, but I want to say the uh you literally giving you your flowers? Come on? You know what it is to be in the trench? Yes, yeah, yes, sixty, I'm good. Yes, is real? Wow?

So let me so let me ask you, matheo. Right, you're coming from a journalistic background, right, and you now happen to be critiqued, right because there's people who's gonna have an opinion on you the same way you had opinions on it. Is that something when it flips on you? Is it something that you don't know? First of all? Um, he was getting picked at at the source all the time. Really, God forbid you rate an album if if this is your favorite rapper, y'all talk about that the other day.

I'm sorry because he don't really gave itself for that. I'm thinking about love. I'm sorry. I'm sorry your brain fart. Didn't you think we didn't get criticized for that. No, I did not go back then. Y'all didn't have Instagram and Twitter and like that. So it's different actually outside, and I was outside, actually outside. So for the longest time my name was Mecca from the source, everybody knew what so I think you saved under my phone. This is fuck up? Here we go, hold on, hold on.

So all the drama you had to source is that where you started doing martial arts. Here we go trying to figure out with his cokebone really has you know what it is? Made my bones in there? I'm not mad at it. But at the same time, if you ask me if critique is something new, it's really not. I had your favorite, your favorite rappers. Fans were mad us for whatever reason. Old bottle man, we can we can get your old bottle, sir. You know what I mean.

Come on, we get money over here. Man. You try to know it's not new, right, You're not doing at all. If I said something bad about No Reas album, you think his fans wouldn't show up. I thought if all your fans thought everything you did was classic and we gave you four and a half, we had to hear it. Somebody was pulling up to say something. So that's not new at all. Get it to your wife. That's that's the property to do it. That's right. That's not doing at all, bro. So now I want to ask you

something because something that came up on the show. Right, I know you have a coach relationship with Busta Rounds, one of my great friends. Right, and say you know and um, at one point you have read the villain, right. I don't remember what he said, but he says something plenty he said, So how do you cross that line? Balance it between you and Buster? Because me working with somebody who I respect versus their personal relationship are two

totally separate things. It's the same. It's the same, Bro. How many people have your man had beef with that? You didn't have beef with I get that, but not bust the Rise, Right. You're not getting away that. I mean I didn't. There was nothing to really get away from. He had not been working together for years. So me going to him and saying, listen, this is what this is what happened, and I talked to math about it. We had a big, long conversation about the whole thing.

But I wasn't working with Bus when he was dealing with Reek, so I don't know what their business relationship was. I don't know what their personal relationship was. I'm free to that man's truth is that man's truth buster as his own version of that story. And no one is develling in their own story. So whoever's telling the story, they're a good guy in it. And I want to say, shout out the Bus. He got mad at you too, but he hasn't been on the show. I noticed about

the world I late though. I like, I'm a patty dude, But what it happens, you know what I'm saying, Like, I'm sure people come on this platform, they see certain things and then it comes out and then your phone is right. He's like, Yo, how you let that guy say that? And it's like, Yo, what do you mean how they let him? Yeah, I ain't gonna lie. The biggest version of that recently journalism. Journalism might be tougher than hip hop, like on the law, they don't hear

you both. But I'm having this is I've been the hip hop making music for twenty years and I've only been this going on seven ye and the controversy when when something goes wrong, it's a bad day. You guys got black Twitter, I assume, yeah, Yeah, I love black Twitter. I love the negative ship, I love the positives. But when I'm going through something, I can't go on black two much too much. Did you receive slack for for

the Troy a Half interview? Not just Troy av It was a lot still besides besides the Troy ship, it was that that situation with Buster. Yeah, it was shout to shout out to self service. You know, he told the story about just Blade getting slapped and I got a bunch of phone calls about that, not from just Blaze, not from just place shot, but shot. But just what are people saying when you're getting these phone calls? They are they saying like you shouldn't have that's there? I

didn't see that. And sometimes, you know, my my thing is um unchecked Live becomes the truth. And I'm not saying anybody came on my platform lying. I'm saying, if you feel like there went another way, you know, this is entertainment, the same way this person came to the shop and then you know they told their story, you can tell your story. Also, my issue is when people get upset and then they ignore it like they're above it when they're not above it. Because you're upset. If

you're upset, you're not above it. You know, there's certain things that don't bother me anymore because I'm above it, you know what I mean. But if it's it's irking me, then you should. You should just set that straight, whether it's my platform or Drake Champs or whatever platform you want to go on. But don't just let us sit and get mad at me for it, you know what I mean. I understand if if Styles has something to say.

After the Jadehood joint and then a lot of people called me, it was like, yeah, I could have told you that. I'm like, then why didn't you? You know what I mean? You know what I'm gonna tell you. I'm gonna tell you. I'm gonna tell you. I'm gonna tell you like it's like with no disrespect, Like I could never ever even think about interview in Cuban Lank right because of my relationship with Fat Joe. It's just

it's just it's just it's no disrespect to him. I have no beef, I have no quarrel, but I'm with Joe. It's just just simple and why I don't another No, I can't interview Greek because of the same thing. My relationship with Buster is too crazy. He's told me so. In that situation, if I was to have either of those two brothers on, I would be wrong. But that's personal wrong as a friend. As media really, as media, we're supposed to be a whole thing person. It's supposed

to be a whole media. I'm supposed to be a you know what I'm saying, Like remember that at all? For me, they are certain things did did you know? Okay? You know my my moral standard couldn't allow somebody who presented paper work on someone to come on the platform just reckless. And if you came on the platform and you said something reckless like I would be responsible for that because I already saw it. You know. It's not drinking. You know I'm drinking. It was bade, come on, you

know what that was? That was the thing like you know, no, no, no, give me something Cuban punt like I love those guys back in the days. But when you see certain things, it's like you got you never did that because now it's like to me, if you have a relationship with styles and y'all was talking like that, then you would be wrong. But if y'all have a regular industry relationship, like when you see each other, you're just a fan of, they're just a fan of. You didn't understand, you know

what I mean. But once that relationship is like I remember, I remember Nos getting mad at me right over over me hanging with Mega and I'm thought Nas at the time, I thought Nas would wouldn't even care, but he had expressed the feeling that like or I like that, I like that was together, that was together. But and at that time I didn't agree with him nothing. And I don't know if you've ever seen this video John Blaze, And if you ever look at the video, John Blaze,

that's the day we squashed it. And if you notice, I got the microphone and I'm in the background like this, because I really didn't understand him until recently, Like I didn't understand that my loyalty was supposed to be there, like it was never supposed to be questioned. I was supposed to never especially at that moment I've seen you had on the show. What you know, I can't break

it down because you know, it's a little stress. I'm not saying, but but what made you feel like, okay, for these reasons, he wasn't supposed to do do that? What are the reasons? Well, the reason was at that time, he wanted that loyalty. He wanted he wanted me to show that I was loyal to him. Actually ahead of time. Yeah, actually actually kind of did no, no, no, no. I found out after it was like it was like whatever a picture was. And then I found out that he

didn't like us taking a picture. Right, that's differ. But that's tough because then you you know, you over there being like, okay, I can't talk to you because my friend is mad at you, and then they become friends. But that person still remembers. But when that happened to me, I got I was upset. So I'm trying to say, is if I'm mad at somebody, shoot, I don't want nobody around that motherfucker man who was But I was saying that's just general. It was life, that's your mind, life, man.

I could be mad at anybody. I just at the time, I'm so loyal I expect everyone to just fall in line into that to my line. Loyal and and it just doesn't have that and with this, with with with this something totally different, because honestly a system now the nowl on the coffin. It's like when Kanye called, did we know he was gonna be on some crazy ship? Nah? I mean that's not totally true. Well you did then come out of the the clouds, come out. We talked about it.

You see my post before you got in contact with Kanye. No, because the minute I heard that end of you got canceled. No. No, not not that one, the one we went on Lebron's platform. Once I found out that they wasn't putting that out, I was all over Instagram, like Yo, Kanyea, we're gonna do that. And then I saw you guy. I was like,

damn no, that was That was rough fun, man. That was a rough fun because I kind of wish you didn't take it down though, you know, I gotta stand by it because it was actually him who requested it. Take it taken down, you know what I'm saying. Yeah, And you know, and we were between a rock and hard prison and and Revolts still with us, and they said, we're not gonna edit this. It either stays up, it comes down. So we had one choice, you know, one of two choices. Are you working with? No, we are

the number one independent in the world. I'm saying talking man, we were talking. Ain't happen yet, ain't not happened. I know people were throwing that out. There's false information. Don't believe them. Don't believe them. They're unreliable sources. How about how about you? You? What do you feel about independent? On Masia? Independent? Um? I feel independent always the right way to go because you get to bill your own narrative. You know, when you go with major, you're going with

someone else's narrative. Not really, Yeah, you know know what I say I say in other cases. Yes, when Puff Puff's case, I was surprised, did you did the Kanye thing after everything that was going on to go back to Kanye and trying to get off that keep pushing Kanye than keep saying that verse so as exist. But I was I was surprised because of what they went through both um with Kanye, what he was saying about Puff listen honest, but yeah, tell him because this would

be honest. Year we ever worked with, he's never called us about an episode this. They called me on FaceTime with the ship playing You'll play Boy, and then he was like, he was like, so, I'm thinking he's gonna scream on me, Like, how are you gonna let this guy say this this? It's a part of you that like fun that he because he can't have none our creativity. He can't be a part of it. That's what we are. We we like I don't know if you if you the verse I just said, I said, you know, I'm

feeling good. So what did I say? What did I say? I said, I said it sounds like some old camera. No, you gotta stand on, stay in there like a tampon, I said, rap podcast millionaire, I'm the first one before me. They get their youtubees for free, the I p o S they ain't own, only me and E. And that's gonna be another conversation I'm gonna have with you right

after the show. We got you, man, But hold on, hold up, But be clear, nobody is truly independent unless we own these distribution platforms with nobody here you partner with with with YouTube or whatever. I'm needed is distributing to Apple and all these people. That's that's the problem. What was it really independent? I would say yeah with you with YouTube somewhat, but it's still not a uh well then I guess they do kind of they can't.

They can take you down a partnership if you got to see those agreements and played by their rules, that's a partnership. Listen, I'm not gonna lie to you. I'm ready to sell out. Started relaxing with new partnership. Congratulations, Yes, just keep cracking them doors man, I'm gonna be honest. Yeah, this is this, this is bad. This was this was one of our you know, great moves. It's a great move.

I'll be partnering with some good people. And they showed us that they wanted us if you know what I mean? What that so? How much how much control do they what kind of control do they want to exercise over your hunts? You know about the thing about drink chat stroke that they could end the deal if they want to. But we're on the content. We just licensed with that in mind, I like, how y'a flipping it on us right now? Yeah, we don't know what's going on with

that in mind? How how what's the what's the hardest part about interview with somebody who's where it's going to be difficult. We're gonna say something super I mean, you know what, at the end of the day, you know, we wanted to get back to like me and yeah, we hardly ever speak just me and him. It's always

like someone's on the phone. And one time we were just spoken years yeah, I know this sucking ship we want us and we just said, yeo, let's get back to the legends, man, like, let's you know, sometimes we started to chase I don't want to say click baby. We started to chase those those those so much things that's happened moment and we're gonna take those two. You know, I got these relationships with these people, you know what I mean, I can't help it, but I want to

get back to the cool hirks like I love it. Y'all. Have Mellie scared of me? Never used to give me a five. I've never said this story. I've been wanting to say this forever. Millie mill has never gave me a five. And the first time I gave me a five is after drink Champ started. I swear to God, I swear like I said, when you have Millie mill

and Grandmaster cast on there, I'm like you know. That's what That's what me and Finn is about, Like, Yo, let's let's give these props to you know, the cool hirks. You know what I'm saying to people that you know what I mean, and especially why our platform is as high as it can be, Like this is really dope what we're doing. We're giving back, Like I remember, you know, I don't want to blow people up because I don't know, but I remember me interviewing certain people and they calling

me like, yo, I'm getting shows again. Like I'm like, like, that was my that was my I was like what words like like just being on this show and then they could get to go back outside, and it's like that's that's my reward, you know what I'm saying. That feels so good, Like all right, somebody comes to Mike's for opinion. For the next two weeks, the phone is ringing and they'll call me and be like, yo, I didn't know. I'm like yo, I feel like we're doing

what we're supposed to do. But getting back to the styles. I just met him like five times and he never looked me in my face. And for me, that's a thing, Like you know what I mean, it's like somebody dapping you and they're looking in the other direction. Yo, let's something. Hold on, hold you know what I mean. But you know it's just got to fix you in Styles. No, no, no, we don't got issues. We spoke olverad, we spoke already.

But um, I spoke the Styles, I spoke the Sheet, and I offered for Sheet to come on the platform. I can see that and talk about it. We'll see what happens in the future. But yeah, I was just real unfortunate. I feel like the bond that they had and how they felt towards jay Hood and kind of got caught in the mix of it because with these interviews, when we're sitting here, we're getting people's life stories, were getting Internet moments. You don't connected to that person, I

mean your artists. And at one point he was beating with Serious Jones. Like at that point when things got real, anybody that would have stood next to the Serious Jones you wouldn't have. It wasn't It wasn't okay. I mean we saw something on a live, nice little party out there. You know it was cool now now yeah he locked up right now? Yeah, But um, you know how that it is sometimes I can see because you know why.

The difference between that with jay Hood to me is when they were going through their turmoil, it was personal, very very personal things that was said. And I'm thinking, I'm guessing, I don't know, I'm guessing after you of course a certain line that it's it's unfixable. So and I think the Locks is so honorable that they are getting mad at anybody standing next to them because they just like you. You should believe me. Look, look, look, look,

look how trustworthy I am. But out of all of them, you would expect she was going to have that reaction. But but you look at styles and where he's at in life, you know, with all the health food stuff and there's a lot of there's a lot of care. Yeah, you know what I mean. And I felt like he felt like he needed to stand up for his brother. So he went live. He said some things. I went live. I kind of put it out there, like yo, I don't have control over what these people are saying. I

wasn't there. I don't know what can't be like over the edit. That's that's what you know what, Loki. I take it out if I feel like it's gonna be a big problem and I can't. I hate that. I hate that because sometimes somebody gets sucy and but like, yeah, you know what I'm saying. We was gonna slap him with the hammer. I'll be like, pick that out out. We ain't putting that out. Yeah, you know what I'm saying.

That seeing me and trying to like be war report nor, I'm like right, but but but you know, sir, and ship like that, you gotta be responsible and be like you was hit you said that ship that could lead to a big problem. I'm not even gonna ask you about it, but you know what's up about that? Sometimes and we have to leave ship sometimes because what happens

is if you throw it in the air. I'll tell you something, but throw it in the air and it doesn't get fixed or doesn't, it's gonna keep repeating itself. For instance, Swiss flipped on Drake first on drink camps. We edited it was like you remember, and we filmed the New York that was the one, and you know we we had Drake coming up. We thought we had Drake coming up. He said he put on the Graham drink. We were like, no, we're not. We can't we can't

have that. And two months later, he goes on Live with Busting Rhymes and it's pretty much but no, he went he went bad with Busting. He didn't go bad on us because we were rolling. Yeah, yeah, he was controlling with and he was like, oh, so he still said what he had to say, but we controlled it to a certain extent. But then when we edited it, it was like he threw it in the universe and

it didn't get corrected. So that's the reason why, just like you could you could because he's thewist and Busts are talking and then they're not even talking about nothing. This is what He's a black white like I don't know what would kids a plane? He like waited minutes west and I remember it. It's like, damn, it's kind of like my fault because I edited in it. Excuse me, I edited it. You know what I'm trying to say. You didn't get that off. So I felt like he

felt like he didn't get it all. And because like, if you go back and look at that stuff, so what do you do because you you you thought Drake was coming on the show. Yes, that's not the reason why we edit that. That's not the reason it was. I don't I mean, I don't quite remember asked us to take it out, but that was this reason. I was like, yes, we're taking it out right because what did he say? Right back around and said something he said, he said worse said, what's the he said way worse

that time that. See, listen, journalism is different. You error on the side of your conscious. I understand if you don't want to get somebody him up in the shop when we're doing on one too. And by the way, I'm learning on the job, I'm being I got you on that. Know. All the journalists shout out to everybody. We sit back and you we we see the mistakes that are being made. It's it's not a problem to error on the side of your conscious because real things happen.

I'm saying, somebody say something, it reverberates the families, they get involved. Hip hop is in a very different place. People get shot, way more often, people get killed. You have to rock with your conscious. Lord knows, if I was in charge, you're not could go back and take something out that Pop said that might have kept him alive. Take something out that Biggie said that might have kept him you know, on the side of your conscious you

do that. However, this is somebody's story. You don't have the right to put hands on somebody's story and the consequences that come from that story. That that's something that they need to be prepared to deal with you, and you can't take that away from It's not right. You can't really get in the middle of that. So if you if he comes on the here and this is his truth when Styles started talking, when we when we were talking to Styles, and he's upset that we didn't.

We didn't come to him with the Jayhood situation. Bro, if you listen to that interview, jay Hood didn't address Styles. He said, really it was she. She was in charge of X, Y, and Z. These are questions for she, not stuff what I look like trying to make you answer for somebody else. But he gave a million disclaimers also, like understand the story is coming from fifteen, sixteen, seventeen year old and and and then they're twenty years ago. But most of the times and and and to correct

me if I'm wrong, I don't know. If y'all go through this too, people will call you up beefing about a clip but they didn't even didn't even that's the one was like, yeah, it's like, yo, bro the world. So somebody just ran to you and was like, Yo, they did. You just picked up the phone and just called me. One time. One time, we just had clips out and I'm at the airport and the the guys telling me he saw the episode, and I'm like, you didn't see the episode and he's like, yeah, I saw it.

He's just breaking down clips after clip after clip, and I'm just looking at this guy and I'm like, yo, you didn't see this episode out? And uh, yeah, that that's that's that's had a guy get mad at me and say that I need to stop talking over the guests. And it was super obvious that what he watched was a couple of minutes before we actually start filming. We have like these wild arguments and just wild debates, and

we keep them. He saw that he saw a barbershop argument and thought that, yo, you'll be talking over the guests all the time. I don't shut the funk up, Yo, No ship you thinking you're the smartest person. Mean, while we four separate conversations going on. Once we got started, all right, we're back, they called me cut off like cut off. You get that with victims of you know people, you know where the lions get blury and what you're

saying about not editing. For example, for us here the drinking aspects, there's a point where we never used to edit at all. Never we learned some lessons down you want to learn these. Let me just actually want to take this time out to apologize to Missy. Missy, I'm sorry. I love your music. Last time I was here said something about Missy towards the end of the episode. Of course, everybody apologize later was drunk on drink chance. Oh they

had me drinking. I'm like thinking we were drinking together, but I don't even know how we got on the subject, but somehow that came out. You need to get that all the way. But that's that. I feel like we have a response when we're indn't here drinking for four hours and someone starts talking a little crazy, I think we do have a responsibility to that person. Okay, So because we're here to protect the guests, we're here to we're here to celebrate the guests. We're not here for

them to fund themselves up. But you also every now and then you also, you gotta let go crazy, right? What? Absolutely? Okay? Hold on, you got so bad? He walked over there. We've been piping here for seven years. I've never even knew that really existed. Time. I was like, what the smoking up? Yo? He was Yo, yeah, big big up the mc shaft. Yeah, I'm just still you're coming from with that. I interviewed somebody before. I'm not going yeah, okay,

you good. I interviewed somebody before and shok TV, thank you. So I interviewed this dude. He's talking, he's giving these great background stories, like a fake legend in the game too. And he said something about one super popular rapper m and I said, Bro, who wasn't I don't believe that. Who wasn't? Who wasn't? Who was it? Who was the rapper?

He talked about what you talked about fifty something about fifty And I was like, that's not going to this magazine, bro, because that's not happening because we all didn't believe it. We all didn't believe it. And what do you say? No? Did you what he say? Second? Now? But he said something some wild ship and the same thing with me, like it was its trialing error with me, feel me like coming from prison and getting right into it. It's

trialing error. So we're sitting here listening. I'm like, yo, I'm asking what you think about there, Like, now I don't believe that? Yeah, cut, I'll say you let's wait till no, no no, no, not time out. Did you challenge him to say I don't believe that because X Y as the A, B and C. Yeah that's so now, I said, because the history of this man and how I know this man, I know the people surrounding him at that time. No, that didn't happen, bro, say some crazy ship what he said? Bro, My point is you

don't edit it. You don't edit it. No, No, I wouldn't you have the same responsible to that person that Yo, if I go in the bar, drink my ass off hot behind the wheel and kill somebody, is the bartender in trouble? No? Yeah, kind of yeah, direcular responsible. Get drunk at the hotel. If you get drunk at the hotel and you leave that hotel, your family can sued him. I didn't say drunk. I said he drinks his asshole, Okay.

I was super specific. I said drunk. Okay, because you don't need to be drunk to get in an accident and sucking hurt. Somebody said something, but no, I don't wait, Mecca. So you've written, You've written stuff when people said crazy ship and you let it go. And I've had the answer for you. Never you had the answer for you. You had to school. Did you go to school for journalists? No? I learned. I learned from the masters. I feel like real true like purist journalists. They feel the way you feel.

We don't. We're not journalists stick integrity and morals that you gotta go, which is which is why I'm not judging you know what I'm saying, which is why I'm here, which is why I don't. I'm not shipping on you. I call it snow judgment and anything I'm saying, I'm telling you what my stances and why you think what I'm saying. And I take into account the fact that you guys us have a different level of responsibility now because of the platform, because there's alcohol involved, because it's

so quick and it goes right to the people. People are gonna talk without clips, and they're people who want to do something for clickbait. So you gotta take that in mind. He could be blatantly lying. Do you think what I'm saying? So I understand all of the above. With that said, I think about editing in terms of who it's going to offend. And in my mind, I got a O G who always takes me back to when Emmett Till was killed his mother let them shoot

his body the way it was. You got way too deep, brother, It's gonna offend somebody. But that's the truth. You don't I'm not okay, what are you trying to go? What you're saying? I do think that that's way deeper than what. Yeah we're talking. You know, so who when? When? Wouldn't it be easier if you just didn't have to think about ship like that and just let it fly? Yeah, here's the difference, and tell you all right now, we come from different backgrounds from Mecca, right, that's the thing.

Mecca is a professional in journalism and what he does us. But let me where I come from. But it's totally different. So me walking outside knowing that things are going on the street, me me having one ft in one ft out. When I do certain things, I know I listen. Nah, we can't do that. So it's two different things. He's a professional journalist, So I'm gonna tell you to do it in the streets. That's why I'm gonnaperate from your conscience. I'm gonna tell you why. We kind of know better.

And I know better because I have one of the only fifty cent interviews without a jar rule word being spoke, one of the only fifty cent interviews without Earth Gotti. And let's flip it back, I have also the only Rule Gotti interviews without being mentioned. I avoided it on purpose, so I knew that I got. I got that intelligence, you know what I'm saying, because I got a relationship with both. I'm the only dude the job in the

in the beginning, in the middle, and still now. So so you had that conversation before they know, I had myself, and I said, they ain't funny to me, you know what I'm saying. Like I'm gonna ask about funny beef. I'm not gonna ask about ship that led to other ship that nah. So I just avoided that period, and I swear to God I always that's something I take pride in, you know what I'm saying. And even that's the part we edited it, Uh, God, he got a little lit and he called the y'all assault man. We

were like all that going and we avoided it. You know what I mean, because because because at times you're right, we shouldn't addit nothing, but at at times we have some type of responsibility if you know it's gonna end up later in the relationships you got with the people and their relationships. Great from your conscience, That's all I ever say. I agree with that. When I was when I was interviewing rappers day in out, Goddamn, my very first thing I would tell him I am not your fan.

I'm not I am not a fan. First I told it to you, remember Jesus, like bro, I think I would have been. You would have sat down right here. I'm not your You have to know what I'm doing. First thing I say, Yo, I'm from Queens with seeing the ship in this space, not your fans to get the story. Yes, okay, I see where you're from. You. Yes, they don't think that I'm gonna paint you in rose colored glass. You are meeting literally that you're not there fan.

You're just saying this moment, yeah, this moment, a moment, yeah, like man is out crazy as soon as we get outside, I might take a picture because it's my god, seeing that. I got that. I know what you're saying. However, they don't pay me to be for dad. But that's what's crazy, and paid that's what's crazy. That's what started this is we were were fans. Like if you noticed, when we first started this, I didn't know research. No, we didn't

do any research. I didn't do because I'm like, what the might ask frat Joe, what kind I google about him? Like you know what I'm saying, Like I noticed his moms, I know he's working, his wife, I know everything. Because then when I started to realize, I said, you know what, Google is your friend, and I would google certain ship like like like and I would research people like and that's becoming like fun to me now, like my research. When I researched Turky, Oh my god, I was like, yo,

this this is gonna be a great yea. And let me just tell you something. We edited nothing of him, even when he's talked crazy because he said this everywhere else, so I didn't feel obligated. That's that's the good thing about researching people. But seems, like I said before, I wouldn't do that. So if I research you and you already said yeah, man, I was, I was gone, um trip words to five nine. That's not to say anybody said that, just making an example. First wrapper that came

to my mind got a trip worse. I'm like, damn, I got a relationship with works. Maybe I should take that out. But then I'm looking, you said that everywhere. It's just a platform. Ain't big enough story? How kid

you not? It's been times artists has sat right there and said the same story, and I was like, oh my god, you said it's on black TV, you said this on such and such, But for some reason, they say it here and then it goes viral because it's to you, because you know, okay, okay, okay, So you're not you're not cool with you like that? Yeah, I'm cool with Actually that's that was my own. That was my first cash money relationship was to Julie. Now, I'm the one that came to ninety seven. You could pull

it up. I don't know if you can, but I was one said They're like, I'm saying, what are you singing? And I'm like, I don't know. Because I called I called him Jovi, This dude Jovi from New Orleans. He had and then monks after Jake got on on the Remax, the record actually hit because a lot of people don't know, you know, I'm half Latino. A lot of people don't know there's a whole Latino fucking in New Orleans. There's a whole little It's crazy because it's like they look

they looked like chicos from Miami. They like they got runts and then they're like, what's up with all the like from day counting? So it sweeter or you know what I'm talking about. Yeah, yeah, that's serious. So I used to be in New Orleans so much. It's crazy because David Banner always picks me up and you know, he always says, he always says. Because what happened was David Bannon was froming a video and like this is the time I fucking had a show in Mississippi. I

was hearing this ship. So when David man that came to me, he was unknown. He was like, yo, penalty won't give me nothing for my budget. I told him take my video budget out and gave it to him. Creaking letters, right, Cooking Letters keep saying I'm I'm so I'm so suck David. He blew up on his own

bad but cooking letters. And I would do things like that, like if a lot of people don't know, like for what else from the South technically Virginia, like not technically he's from, just because I need to know, because I don't know. Y'all think it's a slip in my interview. I'm a fan. I'm not a fan, but you, um, were you responsible for featuring? For real? I mean you know that from the very beginning. I mean it's documented. Yeah,

he was working, he said to me. And this is the reason why I believe him, because he was, to be exact, he was a genius. I know it's so cliche to say it now because he's like he's read she's a top. But I knew it. Then he said to me, no one listens to me. That was one of the first things I wanted to do, because I wanted to I like to be petty, I like to right, no one listened. Let me listen then, and he said, the first person to listen to me is gonna go

number one. And I was like, all right, and he's a little guy. I'm talking my after I got the number one record in New York City, and I know y'all are fronting on New York City right now, New York you heard the background. But at one point, when you had the number one record in New York City, that ship meant the world number one record on Anti Martinez the world, that top seven and seven. I want to five the industry record. You know. No, no, it

was not from listening. It was from being stopping it to the point and it's a crazy ship with a lot of people don't know. I said this story Minia Times. Let me say three. If you're listening to Super Doug, real real good. At the end, I go in r Noriri. The remix Super Doug was a fucking remix. It's still there somewhere. And if you listen, because the album was done and it's pause, this cocky young producer with this Filipino guy, and they look at me and they say,

you're not closing your album. And I don't number one, Like I said, I'm number one, But it's how they talk, it's how they delivered it. It was humble, but it was cocky. It was delivered like you can That's the word I was looking for. You can't close your album. You need this m hm, and they were right. Sorry. I was listening to our album on the way here. Sorry, sorry, um,

and it was crazy. I was speaking my man JP, Eric and um Diego and I was pointing out to them how many times Nas was on our You know, Nas was on in our album five times. But I don't even think at that time A Z had two records with Nas. I Love my Life. That's him on the hook replace that's how he wrote that. He wrote stumps into this day. I've seen this other day. I was like, damn, this thing is still there's a count pick of it. Worry well, I'm trying to I'm in

the process of buying the album. But um, it was crazy. He's on, He's on the story, he's on I Love my Life, and he's on two others joints, just just just talking in the background. And then he was on the firm too. Yeah. I can't. I'm done being a humble I'm gonna be honest single handed. I was telling them the story earlier that record single handedly saved my life life which one I'm leaving house? I was dead.

I didn't me and trash started beefing after the War Report came out, and I literally had no manager, had no a and all I had I didn't know what to do set your solo career off. So what happened is what happened is, you know, after the poem went to jail. It's kind of crazy because Nature gave me some backstory on that too. What nature was the man let me just say no. But at the time he wasn't. Nah, that's false. He said they flew you out there. They did flew me out here his jail. Oh that's true

because I was. He said, you let your verses and I had my ship room before I got damn, Like like, first of all, let me get me get deep. I'm not trying to make this about me because it's about y'all. But this is history. This is what history is, not, not the guy that's on the show. This is this guy, right the reason why. So this is what happened. Nas

called me. I was like, yo, I gotta make up for missing the War report because remember if NAS was on the War Report music, make these stuffs he ain't clear. I was like, damn, that should cut us deep. Yeah, because it was on the mixtapes. Yeah, nothing. So he wanted to make up. So he was like, YO, make it up to you. Let me um, I'm gonna fly you out to Miami. So I was like, don't even other time I've been to Miami, it's with this fucking guy and DJ klor have all people right, hierronic right,

the two people that hironic this this. I'm not making this up, by the way. So I never went back to Miami. I couldn't afford it. I just I ain't have it. I'm just being honest. Just back, you're laughing. Damn, it's true. It's true. So now it's never the week they go to Miami. They never called me, and whatever was Instagram back then, I had to like see that the picture. So I was like, oh, satisfied. They called me like a month later, so they're like, yo, we're

gonna work. I go in true story, fly straight. I remember I told my friends this today. I won't even stay at this place. Is this universal sheraton. I won't even have a drink at the bar right now? Look Look look how far came. Huh, just person I asked, I'll keep it in the hunting. So then I love the universal Sheraton. I was like, oh, I'm balling. I guess I get to the studio Nature. I'm supposed to go to the studio on Wednesday. They fly me out

on that Tuesday for Nature session. So I'm on my ship. I'm like, and God named Dr Dre walks in the room, kicks the engineer out and says, you got something for this snory and engineer that if you listen to my whole career, that's the cleanest record I've ever been on. That go I can listen to that any other record. You're gonna hear me. That motherfucker had that ship speaky clean. And I nailed it so ill that he made me do it three or four more times. He said, because

no one nails it for me. And I said, all right, cool, and they, by the way, by the way, I was, I wasn't supposed to be on the firm. It was supposed to be a record, and then they just pushed it to the front. And the reason why Nature is on band from TV, it's because Nature could have hated My session was the next day. My session was Wednesday. I showed there tuesdays support him, and my thirsty ass went said, you guys something for this, you gotta pay. I was like, no, we know this, we know that,

and it was ironic about it. That's why me a trash Corp beef was because that was on the War Report album. That verse that the whole song. That's not to be the whole song. This is I'm sorry, I'm remember listening too much right now. Listen, I walk into I go to this trashic co bones out with these chicks. I'm in the studio. I don't got time for chicks. I laid his whole ship. I'm leaving. But it was on to Dune, Dune, don't let it go to your head. So picture don't know this and that's why I leave.

On the next thing, Oh no, it go together. And I played it and then and then I played it for compone was like, yes, it's dope and trashes. It was like, I was like this, he said, that's horrible. We sample, we sample like Havoc. We don't sample like Puff Daddy, And well, you have no idea listen, no, no, I don't know idea. How that ship hurt me. He was like, we don't sample like Puff, we sample like Havoc. And I was just like oh ship. So for me to go to dr J and this is it. You

don't understand how good that's mountain? So did you go back to trash? Like I don't know what you know the world? I never? I never, And he told me years later he was like, I should listen to you. So I was like, but he was bad at the record, at the sample and the record no, the sample it was it was rudy. It was like brand and that's a big working brand Newby and took it years later and I was I definitely called him that day. He's like,

I know already know what you call. Everyone knows I'm petty things like, He's like, all you know, it was a dope shout. Just did something for his album. Oh really, that's that's that's my brother be trying to do all overseas for e FN's birthday. UM played my birthday gigs I got UM. So tomorrow we're gonna get on the phone with the promoter. So we're gonna do drink Champs Europe um and you know ended in Paris. You know, I love my wife, she loves Paris. Oh yeah, so

we're gonna do it. Oh really, what y'all doing in Paris. Oh you and your lady. Okay, look at one to all, one to three. Now you got ladies. Sean, you're married. Okay, that's what I'm talking about. Listen, be getting married as gangster. That's the new game in Mega. Looked the way Megan said. You just to Megan, you're going to do He said that on the show show he's trying to break up. No, I'm trying to figure out what you'll think it has come up with this ship. But I'm not looking you

look like you just think that break up. I just bought two beads and ship. Ye oh god day beats to second conversation. That's back to make up some whole ship. Man. I don't know he's gonna have fun today. He looks like he looked like he's going through Wait what I'm calling. I'm fine. I'm fine because he got three differr haircuts. You got a poem that make up your mind? We

can be Oh my god, I'm used to. Once you see the side shape, you know ain't got nothing to do with He holds holding on, came out the hat. Whenever you're ready. Shining is the right. So being that you're the only one drinking. I feel sorry for you because the whole time. Oh no, you're drinking too. That's right. So we're doing shots. What do you prefer you're not drinking? Come on, come on my talk with bigger Drink on the show that I'm gonna keep it real. Okay, bigger

Drink on the show gets a little dangerous. Oh no, we don't want them danger bigger Okay, New York, Okay, all in New York. But he was a hall of nigger hanging with Brooklyn niggas in the just the nineties, right to that's so, what shot are you gonna take? It's up to you, brother, No, not up to you want you to drink what you want to drink, because we don't want you to blame it on me. I'm no,

no no shots shot shot shots. Yeah, well that you gotta yeah, because it's the game slot even I've never even heard of, and you can pick both and be politically correct. That's when you're taking too much. You got with options, we got whatever you want me by the way of the killer. Yeah, like no, I'm telling you money never money, bro, Yeah, thank you. Okay, I'm gonna but I'm being honest. It's knowing your own it. Still, it's worth it, that's on it. That's that's all. What

you're talking about. What I'm saying a potential revolts whole money too. They ain't listening. We ain't mad, we ain't mad, they ain't bad. I'm telling you they've been great partners. Bro Wait, what are you pausing? I'm not said bars they say, pull ye, get that fixed. And you know right right now they're young. I'm gonna do a rock though. Oh should I do sap beneque risty? Right? Can they get another bottle of water? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, yeah, this is this is it. By the way, the game that

you got me with the missy thing. You better be aware that game. You better be aware. And no edit I answer half of my questions. Yeah, but you gotta still drink anyway. Yeah, yeah, all right, you gotta remember the rules. You my water? You're doing mama wana? Okay, try it like my mama wanna you know they make that in the tub and can I told him make a commercial playing? I just I just say that. I

just say that with him. I was just ready to jail. Ready, you're ready, ready, man, you ain't gotta take them big shots like that. You ain't got to do it yeah yeah, yeah they started off like that. Yeah yeah, yeah, you don't got to do it like that, big owl or big punt. Start ready, that's a good one. You can you explain the rules? Oh I did? Did? I mean? Did? You can't? You say both politically correct? You got to drink? Yeah? Both? Yeah?

Oh you damn you gotta wait for us. We drink. Yeah, did we drink to rest the piece of both of them legs? Absolutely? Okay? Not bad? Caress one or rock camp, rock camp you too, h like a dragon. I'm gonna go rock him to Caress one, of course, rock him. Then you got a drink? Yeah, yeah, my bad, bad. I didn't try to teach you my bath. We can see they can see, you know, all right, good one murder mook or loaded lucks math motherfucking drink to that.

Let them make it on man. That was all that was, dude. They're going that should taste like I got limited. All right, you got the next one. Let me see what we are, all right? Wuchang or n w ag? Yeah that should be easy for New New York. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, we we love California. Just want to put that all right? Cool? You got the next one? Kanye Andre three Kan Kanye yeah, Bro, three stacks. You're not drinking, man, you're just making this shrink. Man.

If you're not drinking, bro, like you gotta just go with what we saved. Man ain't good now you don't? Okay? Did take place? Everybody on the individual merriage taking play? You got it? Yeah? Man? Right? Oh no, I got this one. No, i'mnna skipping this one to go to him. The sauce or xxile y k TV magazine? Did you drink that? I want to get keep it real high, the source suce, the sauce, and now what sauce, the Benzino sauce or the Landown mcnilan sauce. Definitely the Benzino sauce.

That's like the Dave Benzino Me too, I heard that too, okay, d M Max or Tupac ship DMX. I'm go ahead get shop. I can just hear flex calling me now because you're gonna you take this shot by saying that you're saying tupop. Yeah, you're not rolling up. It's been drinking. You've been drinking all day. I know, I know you you I'll just take a shot. Piece. You take a shot for that little Okay, I'm gonna take this one. I'm gonna jump over a couple of though. Joe Button

is a million. That was pro game, my expert. That's a good I like that. Not like that too. Shout out to Gilly, shout the while I was shout to Joe, Shout out to everybody in the space. Man, there's room for everybody to win the recipeace Jack recipes coming back

Jack Um. You know what, let's take this to all podcasters because who would have thought that people are hally even listening to the radio like we kind of some of the people that wouldn't refuse to play my music, I refused to interview to them, I got the juice. Now I've been going crazy today. I'm not humble at all. I gotta calm down. And while we saying recipes, recipes, gangs to do as well. Man, you know it's crazy, man,

I really can't believe. Really it's crazy because you know, we don't want to be the last person to interview anybody. But when she passed away, when Um take Off passed away, people just kept going to our interview and it was just like damn it's honor and it was crazy. That's why you should never listened to directly to the internet or directly to the rhetoric that that's happening. The week before they critiqued us and said drink chances for legends.

Me goes ain't legends, and then then you know, unfortunately his de minds that week. The next week at to that there was like, I'm so glad you got to give him you any flowers, And it's just like, Damn, if I were listening, I wouldn't even interview them because yesterday they're not legend and it's crazy. So you just gotta what did you say, go with your opinion. Unconsciously, you also got to consider the source the people who were talking. That was a double ententure, So you gotta

consider the source, not everybody who's talking. As the resumeated talk. Tonyo says something on the show, By the way, great episode, Tony, your uncle murder. Yeah, he he went, as I like, but he said, once I realized that I couldn't make everybody happy, I felt liberated. It's real because you get all different types of opinions. You just gotta be comfortable with, Okay, You're gonna be bad, all right a little with that, you know what I mean? Smith and Wesson, Yeah, that

was that was you again. What happened? What you say? You said? Um? They was down with pocket. Um. You know, they were defended and miss understood something. I was telling them how we felt, guys, me and your age, you know, maybe not you personally, but a lot of my parents at that time. When that song dropped, we hit him up. We were affected in New York. We were hurt, you know.

And I know people spend the narrative that he was talking about, you know, Bigg directly, but me and my parents and the guys in the street, we didn't hear it like that. We heard loud and clear. It felt like you're coming directly at New York with those guys. I asked them in the future, when y'all ended up like at his house recording the albums, we kind of, you know, respectfully looked at you guys as traders and that that that set it off. Big said it. I

was like, oh, this is a good one. Let's see what your memory is. So so shocked because I do remember and and and and both of those brothers. Those are my brothers. Much respect to them, I do much respect love. I do remember me being mad at them for a week or two weeks. I remember. I remember that and Buckshot, I believe, and I remember Let's go even EPA. I remember being mad Red and Meth remember read it made it up. I'm sorry my brothers got

both of the phone numbers. They didn't even know though, but I didn't know that they didn't. You understand what I'm trying to say. So I felt exactly like that. I felt like I've seen. I remember me seeing Red Man in Branson and just being like like he had his legs. I jumped in my legs, just walked. That was the first time. I love Red Man the first time.

And then the Method Man got on the radio and I guess like it was and it was spreading like yo man, you know, because because that's the one thing that we needed at that time. You know. I made L A L A and here's a crazy ship, and I said it on your show. I don't know if you remember I said it on your show. I saw the clip the other day, someone sent it to me.

But I remember making L A L A and bringing it to be big and big saying, Nah, they're not gonna use this, and like he told me to my face, and I was just like and at the time I was too young to understand that he understood who he was. I didn't know that, and he was like, what they're accusing me of? I didn't do that, so I ain't gonna address it. And at the time, I was like, they just talked about your wife, my nigga, like, and they didn't use it. It was for a bad boy mixtape.

Remember remember the labels was doing mixtape. Stretch arm Strong did it. We went mix tapes were legends and they didn't know that. And that's speaking on that time. Like if you guys at that time didn't make that song, it was like that was you know what I'm saying, y'all wasn't even did some but just to make that song. You know what's crazy? Let me let me in York, let me he too. Listen. Listen, um sean um listen. A friend of mine was on something called a DJ list.

So remember the dj they would get this before, so he had the record two months prior to it dropping. So what we did was we went to Stretch our Strong crib and we was like, are they dissing us? And we understand yo, be yo, God, we knew that was so that's if you listen. We were going back and he was like he was saying, whatever the funk They were saying whatever we said, So we didn't you talking about the dog Pound record. Now that's people listening. They because we can stay and hit him up and

we gotta go. They did. We did l A l A in response, so we purposely didn't, I would say the story, So we purposely didn't say anything about l A. But Prodigy did. If you remember the first that they took off, they took it off, he said, JFK on my way to l A. He laid to use that verse on Live Nigga Rap what not, but that verse was originally on L A L A. Yeah, and then was crazy was funked up about that prodas he said, he did not want to be on the record. He

did not want to be involved. And the day that we filmed l A l A video hit him up came out and he wanted to be involved. Sir. He tag he takes mind that night they think it's in the season since three o'clock and was in the back nine. I respect that. I respect that like he rest in peace, Rest peace, my favorite boy. Still when y'all y'all through the body of thing. See, we had to do that. We had no budget. By the way, I was the worst looking we had boards. Remember that. Let you know

he abound you remember Eve. You know I wasn't in that. It was there on the bridge, dumping the body. Looking around. It's mad, cars dropping bodies thinking they have no bunchet. Mad. I'll I'll be looking at I'll be looking at that videos down and I'd be like, thank god, I can see the hunger in my face. You can smell who steps on me there? You can smell it. Oh my god. Okay, we're still in a quick time. I'm sorry, just trying

to kick us out. Yeah, yes, alright, Bits Markey old b O d b bs market oldb That's a tough one. That's a tough one. That's a tough one. Because they almost comes bro. I would say, oh dirty bad about you, Max, Yeah O d B B Yeah. I say, I say, um, well, if you had one of the illest personalities, I say, that's why we gotta protect our legends. Prior to him going to jail, it's probably the best personality we ever

had in hip hop. If you see how he came home, I'm sorry to make it about the ODB, but if you see how he came home, that wasn't the same person definitely, like it wasn't the same. It wasn't like Fox people up man, J. I don't know. I think, I think. I think, I think being a rapper is way. I think we all need therapy. I think we all

need to sit down. Maybe it's not therapy. We all need to sit down and to realize that we ain't each other's enemy like we like, we aren't enemies of each other, and we have to start taking care of each other because it's ship like that that shouldn't happen, like when I see old mean when he came back and and God bless because Rockefeller was trying to do

the right thing. It's just that they shouldn't have been involved, in my opinion, And what happened is it made Odi be kind of take a choice between family and money. And that's a bad it's a bad choice. Like and I'm gonna tell you, always pick family, Yes, always pick family. The money the money has come, Yes, but maybe he's picking family by picking the money exactly, you know, and everything we're saying is from the outside looking and we really don't know what we really don't know. But picked

him up. Man. I got a chance to meet O. D. B. And I want to play Bisinesmarkey in the movie. Remember they was doing the Juice movie. I went to um to play bisinmar I still I still want to play bisinmar That that was my That was my rapper who made me laugh like boogers, well picking buggers say he picked the booker and put it on a basketball and then passed. He's a genius. He made being a joker cool and then it's crazy. He made it cool. Yeahs a sucker, but he could be. I'm in dinner with

Daddy came the other night. I was like, I was so mad. I didn't know. Okay, real pick buggers. But then the vapors vapors, by the way, vapors. This day something will happen. You'd be like, they go to the vapors. Yeah to this day. Yeah, I don't know what. There's a lot of people catching the vapors. N't want to get you that. Just run through this real quick, okay, kiss all fast, relaxed, listening, Mecca, what are you doing?

He's trying to secure his relationships. That's why it's just just just brother camera you kiss, right, the versus kind of you're just gonna say that kiss. I don't think the verses proven. You know that you know kiss? Yeah, I just think Fat picked. I would say, yeah, he picked the wrong records. Fat really over Yeah as the hardest to a body of music. If I'm driving, I'm gonna throw something in the listing to a three hour drive. I'm I'm gonna definitely choose fab like side of dout.

I'm gonna say kiss because kiss is more personable. Kiss will sit down and talk to you and tell you how crack Yeah I got. I got a lot of a lot of like things I've done. That was the sound that Jada Kiss was the soundtrack to the ship that I did. So I might be kissed any view Fat, but I've been viewed jadakiss a couple of dams. I don't really do it. It might take a shot for it, might be a little biased. You gotta take a shot for your man. You gotta take a shot just for that. Yah,

you ain't saying nothing now. He ain't say nothing. It's crazy because I feel like I mean yeah, I mean we h you take a shot. I'm gonna say both. Okay, we want to stand and take a shot. Let me take a shot of this. Fine, there we are. Hey, that's a whole another day and we cool as well. Profession questions, we know that's too much. Yes, every every question,

Ship got let own in there. You ready? Yeah, you go drer puff you said Drake or puff d I gotta go puff, Sorry, I gotta go puff as a producer as your future Life after being my favorite album of all time. Okay, I know people would owe the Chronic. The Chronic Life After Death was a masterpiece from be not just No, No, it is right. Don't see the did you can play from start to finish? Now that's true that what was the last time did that? You know? What?

God about that? I forgot about that. No, it looks like we're gonna get technical that he produced dre produced. But then I guess you could go into he's in the question this person of that person puffing on the versus you can say about Drake against also Yeah, but I'm saying that's gonna be both right, It's gonna be crazy. I'm saying it's a tough one for that quickly. But just off the strength of Life after Death is my

favorite album of all time. I gotta give it to Puff, how about you, Mecca, brother, I don't know, I don't know that resumes. I mean because you started giving Dre credit for the n w A ward if you put the Tree of Dre. Yeah, and the Tree of Puff is hell too, but the Tree Evil make an album that was better than Life after Death. No, but Dorgy Styles is not a game. No, you gotta go with m Life after Death is it's death is a double album. I'm trying to the last but for life and it

just wasn't to say thank you how many? And then there's like the Kindrick work and the game word nah nah, there's love it, love it. I'm gonna step back wants but Life after Death, bro, But I'm not saying that you want know bro, it's emotionate. Wait a minute, the album is a movement, is yeah? About I needed to hear explanation because you gotta we can't ignore Mace. You know what I'm saying, make Superstar of the game, right, you know? But that but let me stop you for

one second. Doesn't Mace only have one album? Isn't him like Lauren Hill the same na got your Yeah, oh yeah that's right. My bad bad, Yeah, but don't really album the Treason. Don't really like that. But the original Joint and No Way Out work. You're counting no where you can start early DC, easy, cool and heavy. You gotta go heavy, Ye, you gotta go head. No, you're talking about an A and R at that point. That's producer. No, he wasn't get your favorite week, it was your favorite week.

Smoke wrote that ship up smoke it listen to the Life After Death, the whole ship debate. No one's debate, you not one. So yeah, yeah, yeah we know that. If none of those credit to Puff for BIG's album, and I'm not giving a hundred percent credit, that's what we're talking talking about it. But if he was involved in the in the album that I feel like it was the great Rick Ross. You know what I'm saying.

That's so as far as that's the problem with this question, is that too many other nuances, right, Yeah, Well that's why Dr dre is more relevant as far as how many people worked at how many albums that sold all crazy how many records he actually produced with his fingers? Right right? Right? Puff is a great orchestrated He knows the talent, he knows how to find it, put in the right set it and make magic. That's what Puff does, right.

But it's too many factors. But I'm gonna say, Puff, if you could have part of it, part of it, to town part of it, you have to long history, baby, because then you started taking into account Dr Dre's influence over the entire West Coast because Puff has that influence as well. Yeah, but I could, I could, But that's but that's my whole point. It starts to even out once we start the why do you cast the net?

They both have a lot of fish to catch? And who you start asking about X, Y, Z, A, B, and C. Guess maybe the question we should be asking who today are the children of them? Specifically, that's a law. They are relevant right now, like actively right now. You know what right now are active right now that are directly under the umbrella of them, that are relevant right now.

So you don't forget what But you got to understand that pas credit has to go to easy Come on, No, that's not that's not without no public you want to say on the conversation. Conversation to Rescipe is easy. Rescipace Andrea Rose, We're moving on, gonna class record day, world class record crew like, yeah, man, we could go even for the back, we could wear what's your podcast? What's your favorite past? Stamped? We stamped and stopping that a shopping that shot we do? Who are we kidding? We

know why we're here. Shout out the easy mobi. Oh yeah, absolutely for all the work on both sides. Crazy drink with both. Not only he worked with both of them, but kept working during the beat. Yeah, because Me against the World is my favorite pot album. Shout out lose. We don't believe you, man, We don't don't kills you. That's trust. The fans will kill you. Take your shot, trust me, trust me. It doesn't get a regular us for here in the game. You eas see it. Come

on and we celebrate you today. He celebrated you and your kid. You on your team. And by the way, you know the top is a shot too. I really thought you setting me up. Yeah, I thought a puff was going right out here with a const No. Yeah, Chance just went to bath. He went to the bathroom trying to avoid his shot. He got, we got, we got something for his ass. We're gonna wait. We gotta say something. Y'all had a podcast waiting for a podcast today,

y'all were late. I can't believe that. Accept let me tell you something. First of a podcast, we had math. He showed up early. Yes, sweatsuits, he was. You know, he needed some money right now, right said, I missed my flagers that I got the helicopter. Yeah yeah, yeah, no, no, but yo, damn I was. I was. Champ was. I don't know, gonna take this shot for him now, I'm really really proud of you got no man. Um. The

reason why is the show kept its it's realness. It's a little bit, but it kept the main integrity because the main integrity. And I like the fact that y'all arguing now. I like the fact that because it makes feel great, it makes feel great. You gotta realize, you gotta realize your big end. Champ got into it the last episode. Yeah yeah, bro, hold on, take your take your shot. You got your shot, You got your shot,

you got yeah yeah yeah. Because this is for y'all, let me just tell ya something that um, you poll your shot in give y'all a great speech because I'm gonna give you all a great speech because I know how hard it is to survive, to be You know, podcasting is like being in Costcos. Right, you can, everyone can have their product in Costcos. But if you got your ship behind the deers, the dear, yeah, you need you need to have your ship where the ugly lady says,

welcome to Costcos and your ships right right front. You know the lady that smoked too much cigarettes. We smoke cigarettes. She's nine hundreds and she's like, yeah, she's like she's like, she's like, welcome Costco lady taking it straight for no reason. Yeah, I mean you know, you know she's doing their job right now. Yeah, but you know I'm talking hard. The one the lady that she looked like she spoke, so what is he wanna tell ya? We have been no

independent podcast. We know how it fails. We know how it feels to go up against these others. We know how it feels to be recognized and not be recognized. We know that y'all going through it's crazy because whether it is direct or indirect, we've been through. And for me to see y'all growth, for me to see how this ship came together, for me to see how y'all keeping it tight. It's something I wanted to It's my idea.

I called Math. I said, Yo, I want y'all want the crew we had you don't over we had you, um, but I want, I want. I want to give it to y'all. It's not it's not sorry, it's not just about you see I see you, you know, but it's it's about Yeah, it's about commodity. You know. I'm a little socia. You know that. You know what I mean. I'm I can't pronounce my own name. You know what I mean. Salute, but I want to salute y'all say respect um, continue to do your thing for that one. Yes,

are you gonna take it with your hell? Yeah? Yeah, I'm you know, it's like the contract not for real because it salut um and and and what's crazy is your personalities. Thank you, you have personalities. The fact I knew the show was going to change for the better because of Mecca, right, And I want to give you a Flowers direct because man, there's an all street don't everyone else is like a street guy. I'm not saying

you're not a street guy. We know you're not a s but you to but I know you have an

expert opinion. You actually are an expert alright, extually, I think out of all of us here, I think you're probably only actually like I've always you know, um, you know, prior to this, I've always done interviews and I've always been a fan of you and how you handled me, you know what I mean, how you treated me, whether I was when I was coming up, whether when I was in the medium of error or whether And how hard is that because these relationships, how hard is to

maintain that here? It's not hard. It's not. I don't I don't make it. Just don't handle this after that's that's whatever you're about to get into it. Get know what I'm saying. Gets it's not. It's not a difficult thing. Man. I learned early on. The job is the job, and it's not. It's not about you. It's not about me. It's about the person who picks up the magazine and decides they want to know more about this person's life. My job is to paint that at you and make

it as honest as possible, and make it entertaining. The reason why we have such a good thing going over here is because all of those factors come into play. We make it entertaining. He's gonna say what he's gonna say. It's gonna be real, even even if it's wrong. He really means it. He's telling the truth, his truth. It's exactly like, how can how can you ever be mad at anybody who's telling it? Now, the consequences are gonna come down, But I'm used to I've done that already.

So it's a it's a it's it's it's definitely a unique experience. It's the first time I've ever been a part of anything like this. I'm happy to move off a print and do this here with But I'm make no mistake. I'm I've been built for this a long time ago. It's not as rugged as what people may think it is. And I knew that. I remember when the podcast started, right yelling at heat makers and ship and I knew that. I was like, yeah, or you was a guest on the show first, you gotta keep first. Yeah. No,

I didn't know that. No, I wasn't called to be a host. I was called it. He's somebody backed out. He's a homie. He called me Yo, can you pull up? I know Megan shout out the yo dub one of the longest open mics in New York City. Rest in peace, rest in peace, vice versus vice versus rest in peace? Uh Jay, rest in peace? Um yeah, go all down that tree j arch head. Yeah. Um so I know Mecca from that environment. And another thing I want to say, yo,

open mics need to come back. Yeah for you just ryman, Yeah, on your craft. Ain't that such a legtion? You don't even know what the open mic? That's not what they're doing right now? Karaoke? Yeah, man, this ain't car It's probably close to the stand up open mics. If you could, you could relate it. You can relate it close to someone who doesn't understand. But that was that, But that was the space. Will you hone the craft when you saw guys rocking a stage and you said, what was

the jay z? The Mayfield she's um um the lady short shorty name two the intro ohh uh he knows, because yeah, just because I was supposed Yeah, of course. And we're still on quick time and slime. We forgot I can't remember my name. I can't, but I know I know that I know that ahead. I noticed that's sucking me up that I don't know that he wants to look it up there? Yes, what was that woman's name? Is he passed away? Yeah, that's that's where holding them used to uh go And we had something like that

similar and queens called the Q Club Q Club. Yeah, and shot at at the Queah. You got shot at from brook A lot of people got shot at the Shotria David Davis rest in peace. Um, but yeah, EO dub end of the Week. That was the spot where I used to go through weight on that line, sign up, get on that list, to get on that stage, whether it was freestyle and I was performing a song or whatever, and Mecca would be in the spot. And I did that for years, for years. And that's where I know

Mecca from. Um the soort stuff I didn't. I wasn't really too familiar. It wasn't he wasn't that Zeno's fault. That Zeno's fault is Zeno's fault. When I decided not to dis eminem, he took away to unsigned hype for me, So I was like, yeah, pretty much shot Do you know though, I hope, I hope, I hope Dad is doing okay and all that ship. But when Mett came on the show, I was like, mm hmm, okay, he's a historian, you know what, not get to I don't

want to want history. I want to I want to being a historian and and somebody who cares so much about the culture. I said, Yo, no he has to. I don't think I've ever had a conversation with Mecca that doesn't involve hip hop, right, I don't think it's not true. The day I introduce you to BArch your chicken, we didn't talk. Yeah. Yeah, I ain't gonna lie that bonch. I ain't gonna lie. That's yo. Don't read itself into it like that. I can't even I can't even tell

you because this might sound crazy. Gone let alone. I'm okay. Scarf face, ice cube, scarf Oh shut damn cute. Yeah, he's gonna said, I said, Starfish from the Womb to the tomb a hot powder, John Spoon trying to make me the thousand to move today? What's a good days? Two and two? Technically I should make your drink, but it's okay, No, that's not the way it works. You stay trying to that's his job. Came late, my night is already room. Uh you got it? Oh yeah, you're

on TV wraps A Rap city. I love this one. We do your music box right when one time he's the father. By the way, did you see he's get the money? Did you know that? You see McDaniels was only second to Oprah the ratings, the ratings, he was only second, So how does that not continue? Like, how does that not bigger for him? Ralph McDaniels is single handedly responsible for the spread of hip hop, absolutely, but

how was that to another level? Because I wanted to reproduce I can't be saying all that and you ain't watching and started watching it's so good and it was so dope about it is you get to see NAS fan the funk out. He's just like like it's like like he's just he's not Nas at all. He's just a fan of like he's breaking it down. He remembered the intro. He's like, remember, come on, come on, take

a shouting around me. You're from New York City, New York City and you my age, you know, you know it's crazy about it was the Disney afternoon until Batman came out. Then Batman came out at four thirty. But right at five o'clock you went straight channel. Queen's was thirty. I thought, I'm thinking. I was thinking about the box, but the boxes on the boxes of Miami Daily Man. Yeah, drinking when Sir ralpers from Queen's. Yeah, Queen's get and we gotta get here his flowers for sure. You gotta

go crazy. The first of my soul, Ralph, I fanned out, cheers, guys, and I was like, Uncle Ralph. He looked at me. He was like laugh, said, ship, you do a little dance the whole ship. Yo. He was like, you understand, that's what it's all about. At the end of the day, That's what it's about. Goddamn he getting that feels great. Yeah, this is a great one. I'm going straight to you. Mac now hold, I'm sorry I cut your story off. Finish your stof No. No, he was like, math Holf,

I sold you deal with that Irons Solomon situation. I was masterful. I was like, thank you, stand Moca never battle me. He would never battle me. Bro, Why should we finished kreektime and come back to this. Yeah, that's Fritish Creekti House coming back. We are going straight to you, Mecca and Manema bust the rhymes bus bus math. He ain't been on the show yet, dope, but you shout of the South, Okay, So I'm gonna go in with

this one. He's never going Now, that's a tough one, you know, um or shout out to both of them. That's a tough one. That's one of those epic ones. You say both you gotta drink, we gotta drink, would say, I would say Eminem, Yeah, yeah, you're the top breaking right now? Wait who is it again? And Buster? Eminem? So three the one. If I could vote, I'm vote Buster. And it's actually easy to vost because because you could say without one, there's no other. But we know Buster.

That's right. I'm not gonna lie to hold on real quick. Yes, I'm not gonna lie. That calm down record event to no Buster. The morning was retarded, that I never understood why I should never got no radio plate. That ship was richly hard the real world. Yeah, but when it comes to m being that I'm a battle rapper, yeah and has to be on your shot. Let's move on. He's gonna come here first and then go you know closer in Detroit. We can make mocktails. Bro, We're good.

I literally I have this argument with Royce five now all the time. We go back and forth, and I tell him, my guy will scrape your guy, so get your guy. Let's figure it out for versus versus. We were actually the only people that was talking about Eminem versus Buster for for for for the verses. That's hard. I think that would be incredible. I'm sofa the world was stopped that fucking fast and go crazy world. They

gotta go back and forth with the buses. The thing about it is and is a beast on stage and he's a beast and lyrics and buses not but bust world. What is the stage again? Nothing like the on stage everything. What he said was what happened. Twisters is the fastest in the in the world record, all right, shout to twist, move on or holding from fish to gains. I think

he might have chipped Chip. Gonna go to you back and forth because I know you're gonna let Brooklyn rule, and then I'm going to you because I know you're gonna let queens mp A mob d it depends on what type of activities into That sounds like just say both man, No, we're getting into both got to have it be. How are you going to do this some crazy ship? Um, because the Brooklyn and you ain't going to just let you just walk over and you can't kick him. Bro Brooklyn's gonna be. It's something like a

shot to me. And we got a whole got at them both. Yeah yeah, I mean, I mean, don't even bick. Don't killers in a hundred dollar billis it's real? Niggas ain't got no p he's speaking mom d Yeah, come on, I love both of them, but you can't compare and mo pee by the work definitely Okay, that's true. Yeah, bib okay, it sounds like I canna understand. I mean cool, but come on, love we love stop back and forth. Brown's real. Hell, I see fame and BT awards. Man,

you guys are looking good. You guys are you know? Famous in the gym every day. I want I want, I want you to know that we want to give you your flowers please please, Um, We're gonna go so hard this year because it's really about those legends that yes, I love you so that's a little I love. Or when they come, they're coming to me first, no problem, I don't mind. I guess what. I'm gonna watch it too. And it was reposted and I don't care. I do

the same thing. Yeah, I love major or independent independent Mecca major. I'm making some noise for you the face. I will go independent. But if you're dealing with the right major that you have, you have your own relationship, relationship with major. Okay, that's that's my which is what I've always told that, That's what I've always said. I would state the beauty of independence for the simple fact of when you look at different platforms that are independent,

artist wise, podcast wise, Mike's for the p nbing number one. Um, you don't really want nobody over you telling you what to do in any shape, way, shape or form. You won't be able to count count your own dollars with

a certain extent. But that's not that's not really control you and control your creative You know what, if you know what, if you have to, if you The perfect way to put this is, I don't think anyone should reach towards the major until you find out what you could do independently, right at first have to be great at being independent so you can take advantage of a major major exactly, so the major doesn't take it smart

Ya that truly did? I enjoyed it? Okay? Last question we asked everybody, and this has not been quick, not quick with time. Loyalty or respect loyalty because you can't have loyalty without respect. You can't. You can respect somebody and you can stab him in the back, that's how much you respect him, you know what I mean? Like, Oh, this motherfucker, No, he's gonna tear me up. I'm gonna stab him in the bag, you know what I mean.

But when you got loyalty, that's everything, that's everything. Loyalty creates kingdoms, it creates countries, that creates movements. Respect it's a part of loyalty. It falls under the umbrella. HM. So I'm going respect because I've never been able to be loyal to anybody I didn't respect. Ever, I've never been able to If if I can't respect what you do, how you treat people, how you how you act, can't be loyal. But doesn't that mean that to be loyal to someone you have to respect them to to I

can't I cannot be loyal to someone I don't. But there are people you respect that you you're not loyal to. I don't have any I don't have any ties to them. Let me let me say Let let me say it this way. First of all, like I respect Shorty's had, but I ain't like I don't think I don't. I mean, I don't spect that quality. But that is not what you're doing. I like you like the head, you don't respect it, you like it, I respect you like it. You might even love it. However, again, I've never been

able to show loyalty to somebody I didn't respect. If you're doing ship that I can't respect, did disrespectful ship or ship that I that I don't see. If you're not an upstanding just being a fun boy and ship, I can't be loyal to that because I don't respect you. I don't respect what you do. If I see, okay, if I see you treat somebody close to you really really fucked up, I'm gonna be loyal to that, all right.

So so so so when a little uh the flowers, when somebody who's stepping into the podcast and they're really in the dirty section of YouTube, right, hey, man, get your life together. They're really in a dirty sextion the YouTube and they start ticking shots, the filthy shots. They want to get dirty, so they're gonna be like, yo, may make kids this mecha's that you could respect it, but that don't mean that they can't you pop it ship that about that means a martial artists. Did you

know that he looked he gonna kick somebody. I'm trying to get this thing to do around household camera forever one time? How about you loyal to your respect with respect respect? Yeah, and the reason why I go respect something slightly similar to what Maca said, so but a little different. I could be loyal to something that I don't respect. It could start out the same way and they are very similar. But at some point someone could be loyal to you that have lawyer's respect for you.

How how can you be because I respect if I don't respect you, I'm not. I don't have to be loyal to you. That to eat that every conforms you to stay loyal if you don't respect them. Because a lot of people money, a lot of people are loyal to the opportunity and not the person. That's why I'm different. I don't give a funk how much money you but but you would you give it to me if I don't respect your don't respect you? Simple and can you

even describe that as loyalty? Though? Sure? No, no, no, it's how you know, even in this business we wanted to don't have to be as complicated as we make it been. And wives get married every day. That's the same exact thing. Somewhere on the line. Your husband or your wife is gonna watch you and according to your ways, your characteristics and things that you show them, they could lose respect for you, but they are going to stay loyal to you because of whose they are. So you're

picking loyalty. No, no, no, it's respect. He's staying Which one do you more? It's respect because someone who respects you, it's gonna be lower you to you come someone who respects you going to be lawyer to you. That's when it comes in thesane. But someone who is lawing you to you don't have to respect you. People get up and go to a job every day that they're lawyering you too, and be like, fuck this job and don't respect the job. But there I'm lawyer you said the

job I want respect, we give it to you. I taking a shot this job. I got fired from every job I was ever. Let me taking a show that I'll taking a shot, and now you lower your respect. So I'm gonna say respect, right, Okay, So I'm going by I'm going by the dictionary version, right, the dictionary version of respected. Yeah. The foundation Google, So it's not just respect is a feeling of deep admiration for someone or something elicited by their abilities, qualities, or achievements. And

what's the loyal to? Loyal ti means a strong feeling of support or allegiance. That's it. That's as far as to go the dictionary. At first, you know, you know it is amongst us. But my thing is, at first I was in agreeance with math. I'm like, yeah, loyal t. You know I'm saying my wife is loyal, my fiance is loyal to? Right, put me down my whole bit, you know what I'm saying. But does respect makes out of mouth? But where's the respect? That? Don't you respected

me personal? Right now? But that's because he used the example and I got to ask the question, does with respect stop you from stitching? Wait? What does respect stop you from stitching? Code? Does respect stop you from snitching? Or does loyalty stop you from snitching? Respect for the bro? Because if I which one with me? Which one is in the lead to you? That's all I'm saying. Hold on all right, give you a good example, right? If I respect every man in this room, I don't know

everybody in this room. Respect back, y'all brothers. I respect everything y'all doing because y'all showed results, right, I've done things that I have not done yet. I'm still learning, and y'all have set the standard you right, I respect that and my loyalty to you don't know what you don't know us, right. That's so here's where I'm going. Um, People fuck up, People fuck up, right up people, and sometimes you don't respect the funk up. But staying loyal

that's more important. Bro, People fuck up. If people fuck up that somebody sucks up once and your loyalties out, you would never really loyal. But but can you can you respect the funk up? I can? Of course you can respect the fun How fu U I got? If you? If you lose respect with me because I'm funked up, I'm flawless. Of course I respect. I respect the fact. That's what I say loyalty because nobody's perfect. I'm like,

funk up loyalty to me, all right, exactly. But I won't lose right at four in the morning when I'm twisting coming out the club and ship that I'm doing is just still respect you. I just mean your mother. I'll still judge, yeah, but I respect. What I'm saying is that I don't think you can you can separate the two now, you can't separate. That's that's why we asked this question. It is because to us, to me at E f N, that's the only time you should drink.

It's just say it should always it should be handing hand to us. I can dig it. There's respect that answer. There's no real there's no real respect without lawyer. I get it. I get it. You could have respect from a distance to an adversary that you say, damn, that dude is fucking wild, but I respect his game, But is that really respect? That goes back to the whole editing thing too. Right, So like you have a loyal t to a buster, you have a loyal t toward

fat Joe, right, and I'm gonna keep it. Mecca doesn't have a certain loyalty because when it comes to work, it's work. I'm not a fan of your work. I'm here to do a job. Loyalty, your loyal to the job. Respect. But he respects the morality or the or the guidelines of that job. There's a code that comes with that respecting. And that's why I won't tell due to loyalty. Bro, But it's it's both. Listen, man telling me, don't tell without a reason. Salute no goddamn reason. Oh, I gotta

say it is not so loud. I'm gonna tell you whatever. This is right here. This ship is smooth and I'm not even drunk. Let me ask all the quart for those that believe in the creator? Okay, which one? Which? That's why I made that, bro, You know, um to speak to those schools believe in different things. What would you think your creative would loyalty or respect? And this is why I was right. I think it would always

be loyalty. You think your creator will want loyalty, So then if that is the case, if he want loyalty, why wouldn't he just made everybody to be loyal If he made us to be loyal, we wouldn't be asking this question. Wants us to be laying our own accord. He said, motherfucker you better just because how how does a person become lawyeral you? I think we're I think we're chasing our tails at this point. Absolutely not, absolutely not. The point that's being made is that the Creator wants

you to respect him. If he wanted you to be lawyer you, he would have just made you lower you in a road by he puts you in life to understand or also everything that you go through in life. But that's assuming the Creator. I want you to believe in one God and one God only. That's kind of a really selfish name. But we we we're saying that's on the premise that the Creator is saying that respect and loyalty is a thing. The Creator might not think that this is the thing. If you're dealing with with

the creative. The scripture it actually speaks so no, okay, Well, that's why I said, which creator? Each religion has that with your god? You know what I'm saying, whichever God? That That's why I asked you specifically, what if we're talking biblical thing? Yes, I understand from change the subject for us, murder mock you murder muck no, because that will be spoke for me. I'll be points sure, brom. From the beginning of this ship, y'all, like I'm I

was the realest nigger in this ship. I need you to know what was going on. I would like to battle. Rap was cool until math came. It was cool. Yeah, Oh that's cute. They're dissing each other. That's cute. When when I came on and serious, it was intense. It was what are they gonna talk about? Who are you going, what's gonna be revealed? What's gonna be you know what

I mean? Became something else. And as much as you know, shout out the move for for his contributory to the culture and how he still you know, it's control of that area. But bro, see this battle recently. If you don't believe what the nigg is saying, it's just entertainment. But when you believe, no, that nigga really do that ship, it's different. You feel the pressure. You feel the pressure.

You did what I'm saying, And that's why I like, I feel like, That's why I feel like nothing nigga would funk with me period ever in life, in life, you know what you gotta you gotta think about something, Bro, I'm thinking about it, right, I've looked at baddle rap right, I'm a jail nigger. I'm the resident jailologist. I'm the resident jailologists right. Unfortunately, but when you look at if you look at results, you look at results in comparison to what was happening at the time, then you can

make a sound decision on your own. Look at the results. Look at the escalation of ship. Right. Let this factually fun? Funk? How I feel fun that I'm not trying. I'm not being biased because I work with math. No, look at the results, So why didn't date them about it? Is just scared and elevated? He elevated, b know while I was there, it was scared. When I left, I monitor funk. I need to hold another frequency, bro. Yeah, it's definitely

it's definitely much understand what is gonna happen. It's not gonna happen. Bro a garanteam so y'all spoke y'all, y'all like y'all was in like because yeah, he was on the show. Yes to the side of said it's not gonna happen. It's not gonna happen, not because of you. That it's never been Yo. I stepped into the ship. I stepped into the ship calling yeah, t Rex that

and that was the start of your roll. So every everything that you see, as far as you are, roll and Smacking or that started with me and t Rex. If we didn't hit, if we didn't do four million views on World Star in two days, that might not exist. But shout out to Smack because he gave me a look before that, you know what I mean. Shout out to t Rex also. But it's just different when the nigga damn, how can I put it? If murder mucus Floyd Maywether, who are you in batagraph? If murder much

is Floyd Mayweather? Horma Muhammad Ali? I'm a Hummed Ali to that. But but but there's a difference between the nigger who made the most bread and the nigger who stood for something and change people's perceptions on how to view life. Is that murder book who made the most bread? I don't. I would say so, I would say as far as like the Battle Rappers, but then you know, unfortunately the way battle rappers. Structured Cassidy might have made

more more bread than you do. What I'm saying, But when you think about people who change your perception on life, that's math period, results, period, results, period, the rest, a piece of backsteps, the piece backstairs. Even look at Noory right now. You're not a bad rapper. You're not a rapper. But when on the track, niggas, yeah, really do that? Should it hit different? And you want to make it

this y'all spray you what the forty is? But but you know what I was saying was like back in the day when you said I'm from well Hope, you said couldn't talk about it, FI live it. That was real for me. That's the vibe. So when niget stand in front of me and they say all types of ridiculous ship and I know, like, come on, my nigger, I'll put your call over your head. Stop it right now. Yeah, shut up, shut up? You know what I mean? Like

stop stop? It's different? When when when it think about a fictional movie and uh an auto biography biography biography movie, you know that story is real. It's different. It hit different? Snack, Really did this ship hit different? You think what I'm saying, like watching Alcomex will always be better than watching Indiocracy exactly exactly killed that you did, you mean ominous. If you want to know how dumb we are, watch Idiocracy.

Have you ever seen this movie? Ye? This movie ever, I feel like and it shows us exactly what we're doing. It said that the more technology we get, the dumber that we actually get. These motherfucker's. It's just like it's like the year twenty seventies seven, right, and everybody it was drinking gatorade replaced with gatorade. They're trying to you're trying to hold the plants with malta. Dude, ridiculous powers.

Sid there's a wrestler as president and all that ship and he had a Spanish last name and he was black. But that's what I'm saying, Like it's wrestling when they no reality. There's just wrestling, you know what I mean? And if we all love wrestling, but at some age you realize, you know, he's not really punching that nigger, you know what I mean, Like Santa Claus, right, But my my question to you know he is you understand the process of evolution? Yes? Right? You evolved in many

different ways. It's right. So when you talk about when you when you talk about two different people, totally different people, and then you like, again, you look at the results, you look at the evolution. You're a fact minded guy. You know what it is. Yeah, you know what it is. Don't we talk about the murder mook. That's what we're talking about. It's no battle. The point is that evolution

there's starting. There's certain things you just can't say yes too because you know, what's a l You just can't broad Why am I gonna say yes to that? What I'm just saying. But but but I don't feel like we should put people under the pressure of like you're just running towards that else. You don't need to do that. No, No, realistically, don't don't put people in that position. Don't make them desperate because they don't go sw what's the next question? I just go to the next No, I would love

to see it. That's that's met together awesome the way I put it together. There might be six niggers in the world. It's gonna be like, sure, that's what it. That's that's exciting. Like me. But I'll tell you what, Like I am Solomon, but take both of your battles both. Solomon was the eminem. Let's just be clear before you move battle them. And he was the eminem and I was. But by the way, washing everybody, everybody. I couldn't believe it right now, who'll be e solom at first? You

mean me? You know what, Here's a line from that battle. He no thug, you know me from his people's club because I don't fu niggers up outside of EEO dub. And he moved that, and the people standing with him moved that. You did what I'm saying right, good one gotta be hype man this ship. Oh, I wasn't mean niggers relate to you because as you really was like that. Yes, I am not no more. I know that. I know that, you know that, we know that. You know We're not

gonna lie. Now, brothers, I'm gonna be honest. Sean Bigger, Um Champ math Mecca, I'm going back us at the bathroom. What you're doing is remarkable. What you're doing is taking barber shop talk, yeah, really making it world health hunts a little, really making it worldwide. I just want to salute your brothers. I want to tell y'all continue, continue to do your thing, but I also want to tell

you I'll protect your energy. M hmm, because the bigger you get, the more people are gonna want to spread false narratives around it, and they're gonna start using and everyone is not to be used, and everyone shouldn't have

the platform. So being careful, like it's a learning lesson, and I have nothing wrong to say about any artists, but sometimes you gotta like sit back and say, you know what, if I do this, I know what this result is gonna lead to, and I know the intention of the That's the best thing I'm trying to tell us to my friends on the time. The best things I ever had his relationships, and the best thing I ever did was always make friends first, then business partners.

Because the thing about it is all these people are pieces of ship. Right. If they're gonna pick between y'all and their family, they're gonna pick their family every time. So are you so that that that much pieces of ship? Because y'all have the same morals when it comes to that. And then you gotta take it from there. You gotta say, all right, cool, he's not wrong for saying that him and Brenda. He just wants want to about him and Brenda because he because we just care about me and

our family. Right. But you gotta you gotta watch that ship because the more powerful you get, the more responsibilities you're gonna have, and the more the devil is gonna come out side. But the devil, the devil is working over time on y'all right now. But for me, it's a simple decision for me, thank you all. But for me, it's a simple decision. I put my energy into the show changed my life. If I put energy into a hater, I'm gonna change his life. So why would I do that? Mhm.

I just let him. Let's see what you could do on your own. I ain't got no words from him. I don't have to. I responded things that I feel like I have to and things that I don't. People see it, they'd be like, yeah, man, probably don't gotta say nothing to this single And it is what it is. So shout out to old you niggas. I hope you find your way, and I hope that you realize when you get to a point of success to what you did to get there might not have been the right thing.

And that's the way he was moving. That what I'm saying, how about you John, Um? You you you being on camera, I can just tell you a street dude, like I can tell um, I can tell you from my error. Like and my error is we don't look at the camera direct kind of like like I kid you not my whole um first year of n R and I went platinum. It's plightly the worst year at me and my uncle wise, um, all of my my, my friends.

We took no pictures. We thought pictures was tracked that you didn't take yo, old we were all over the worlds. He was like, you know how corny niggas we were back then, And I said, well, he said, yo, we purposely didn't take pictures. We have nothing documented but memories. And I said, that's kind of better than this error. Right now, I go and perform. No one's looking at me, They're going like this. I wanted to kick their fucking phone. Is you doing that? I'm killing it? Yeah, why you

want to document it for later? But so um, yeah, like you said, and our error, that's how it was. Now how you adapt into like this fame and people? It was so I just launched about the that thing and all of that and the people that react and reading the comment learned about the internet. Yeah, pretty much the internet with the INSTAGRAMM actually school, I am still

you know, pretty much on that. You know, if I have Facebook's private and it was only for my family members that you know, that's like you have a Facebook, Yeah, you have a Twitter? I had no, you have a Instagram? Yeah, Because he said time out, let me just do you. This is if you ever want to dose a negativity Twitter. Oh my god, dudn't even elon Musk. It's worse, way worse. It's racist now it wasn't racist really on it like that?

What stay away, yo? Let me tell you something. I'm so sorry because I'm gonna sound crazy, but I wake up. I don't even brush my teeth. He's a Twitter, dude, Twitter, I'm so addictive that the first half an hour that you wake up, he shouldn't be on you don't be on social media. Let me tell you. I'm getting some energy. Let me get you something better, right, Me andes you should live in the same building. Right. So one day,

you know, we're having breakfast. Bino wakes up in the morning and he goes on Twitter and he googles his own name. I don't even know how you could do this, so you can look you know how. You don't know how you can do because because this is the messages that they're not adding you, they're not adding you. He knows how to pull up the messages where he responds to every to get im for that. That's kind of like, I've never seen nobody more negative than this in my life.

You can go negative, be that negative all the way. I got to say, shout out to toler qualities. Does that Twitter fingers? I don't know. He's a definition of Twitter. He's by the way, he's every finger that's just Twitter. Everything he finds every racist bro doesn't have click the farm helping him. Then he's at it's him. I got tiplates,

actually got timplates. A ready asked him about that and he smiled and I was like, yeah, that nigga like And we interviewed him Dave Chabelle at which was and when when we broke it up, they all laughed at him. They was all like, no, don't get tired. Started he goes in. He goes in. So you guys, you don't have a Twitter, I recommend you get a Twitter. I'm gonna be honest with now. I don't get don't get a Twitter. Don is enough. Let me tell you why

I like Twitter. Listen, let me tell you why I like Twitter way on the Instagram way more than um and I don't know much or another. Okay, thanks for thanks for that. I don't have a hitcut. I ain't going on Instagram. If I don't like feel good about life, I ain't going on Instagram. I could be fucked up. This is my mind is whatever, And I go on Twitter.

It's somebody so much worse than me. There's somebody like I just little my dog following sucking some guy named Chucky you know c Twitter and not look and Terry Springer you used to think your life was sucked up and you go on Jerry No good. Now Twitter's like the dirty section of social media. All right, that's regular Twitter. Right then there's black Twitter right right where I don't give a funk what you do. You're wrong, you don't

make it. Nobody happy, nobody, nobody sitter. I could put the picture of my dog the dog game doing ship your dog? Who told you that I enjoy it? I enjoy your dog? I enjoyed it because my life is really positive. I'm really living a great life, and I need to know. Do not be comfortable, sir, Do not get comfortable because yourself every day post your picture with you and a bottle of water saying I'm living life and the nigga I need. Don't you ever get comfortable?

And all there's a paid out there right there, and he likes you, but he's talking crazy right now. Don't get comfortable at all. That's the hood, that's not that's the hood. That's the world. It's the world, just the hood, that's the world. I recommend it wholeheartedly. Got no mercy against anyone who hates on me because if you knew, could I have no fucking shoes for months in Barbados? Yes?

Why would you hate on me if you knew? If you if you knew that I had to get adjusted to the New York school system getting jumped and get into fights every single day, why would you hate on me? If you knew? I came from the fucking bottom and I made something? Why would you hate on me? Makes no sense? I got a real question for you. Did you ever win? Didja making belts? Yes? Jeans? You j

West especially yes, yes, everything, get everything. So while I got my friends from how I was out from Nasal, I mean a low square More was Illa then sum kind of like, what do you do? Hurt me so much? I got I gotta be honest with you, Homie Troy outlaws to bring read the Farragan Farragant for Greeen was right next to each other. By the way, It's the craziest thing ever. It was totally. I felt like I was in Like I was gonna say Disney World, but

I mean by that Disney World. What I mean is I was totally I didn't even and I went to a more how do We Square mall and the guy in there said I got dent to Gold and I was like, dent to good I had never heard. He can't about to see food, y'all to me, I don't even know. I went and I came back because because I got friends, and it was so thin and no one in Queens, no one in Queens could understand, and I was like, we got thats like Syracuse. I'm sorry, man,

I just told my mold school. Downtown Brooklyn is crazy. There's fifty niggers out there. When you walked in there, right, it's not the same. It's not it's not, but no places the same. But you can still get robbed though. That's yeah, definitely, you turn the wrong corner and you can still get robbed. I was talking, go ahead, go go go to Brooklyn. He's like, and that's okay. I

mean I missed that part Brooklyn. I went to a soho house in Brooklyn, like, oh, downtown by the Bridge, Yeah, I mean downhole house that along in Brooklyn, but down they don't have a soul house in compon next week. I'm just it's probably gentification is rare. It can we get to? Why the opposite way? Can we go? I don't believe in gentrification, is why you don't Jesus classism classes. If you got the money to stay, stay, But what is gentrification to you? Gentrification? Does that mean to you?

It's called gentrification because I feel like this is a specific race who has more money. You think that's exactly what it means. I'm not saying that's what it means. I'm saying when people say gentrification, it's not completely just if you got the money to stay where you at, you could, you're gonna stay. But if you don't write because money is buying the people out that ricing you. Yeah, so so you gotta go to where it makes sense

for you. So when I when when I went to Columbia, I went to this area called you know, but I did a drink chance from Columbia. We didn't remember that. You don't remember that I went to one of the word hoods and columb be that during the cartel wars and everything. No, it was, uh, where do we go, Paul? Paul? We went to Oh my god, he's not helping. Did you go to Choko? We were in many Yang were Manian? What was the place in the end we went to But y'all was on cocaine and you hold on Colombia.

So we went to this is this is h Escobar's territory where he had the gangs fighting and they had they had a crazy war in there. It was one of the worst spots in like late nineties. Hip hop actually changed everything there. So um, the hip hop community did graffiti that that changed everything that they had be boys they had, they didn't get an outlet. They hit for artistic ex It was wild. Like at the documentary, like you can watch it like right now, I'm sucked

up and I can't explain it totally. But this is where I realized there is reverse gentrification because what they did, the government was part of it, So you might need government help. The government put because in Colombia, the way I saw it is the higher you got out in the mountain, the worst it was. Right, So the more poverty was up in other places, the higher you got up, the richer it was. But in Colombia, in this specific area,

higher up it was worse. So they actually put um escalators in the hood, going up into the hood, escalators, elevators, had escalators the side of the mountain, escalators going into the mountain into the to the side of the hill. No, so you go into this area and we were in there and you and then they have a tour of the graffiti there. There's kids that are be boys and

be girls. DJs are set up, they have artisans with with because now it's a tourist trap for the better sense of what a tourist trap is, but because the escalators there, but it's the people that lived there. You're focused whole time. Both y'all know. The point is that there is I do believe that there's a way for reverse gentrification where the hood can control their ship. Because they did it. We saw it with our own eyes in Colombia, no government assisted in was well the government has.

It's like saying no, it's like saying independent or major there is no independence in this world. You can't. But it's not gonna happen bro to minorities brought in. He made off from Lauraton enough money to have their own country, made off from Queen's It's Fat made off documentary which made off. You ain't seen the Doctor Netflix? All know why you seen it? Your story? Is that ship mean? Or what's a fat? Yo? But by the way, that's the first person I've ever seen they confiscated his ship,

his wife, ship, his sonship. It's other. They confiscated everything from They don't do that to white people. That's the first time I've ever seen it. It's usually they just do it to him and that's it. They let his wife was in a Honda Accord, living in the Honda Accord. That's fat. She was living in living in Honda. You're gonna watch the ship. This is crazy twice, that's crazy. This You ain't talking it like that? No, it's heavy. I ain't watching. That showed me a lot. I didn't know.

What's crazy is what you didn't know. He did this for thirty years. He would take your money and make you feel like you made money. He'll be like yo, whatever, and you would give him back your money. Yeah, he took somebody's money. You got nothing. He just like you listen on your I'll just give you a example. I was just giving false numbers, like you're on your thirty grand I already made like sixty sixty such and such for it, So you want me to um whatever whatever.

You're like, no, no, no, take it because you feel like you want to keep making money. So he did it with thirty years. And it's crazy because these people were reinvested. What's crazy about it with one of the first things we learned about brother Kanye is that Chase cut their ties with him. Chase is still tied to this man, to Bernie to Bernie. That's crazy. They never stopped their bank account with him. They said, we didn't know.

That's it. They had no lawsuit, there's nothing filed against them. There was nothing, and they were still in business. This is crazy, bro and Kanye hurt. No one, Kanye took No One's house. Uh he he none of that. I think Google said something very important on my show. You said, stop saying Yeah, young Google tried to google mixing my project. Um, damn, it's awsome on us, you know what I mean? He said, we need to stop saying the illuminati. That's true, that's true.

You don't want to say no. But we actually find the names of the people that's behind certain ship that holds people back. You can't create the booget man and that you can't find it there. You can't find illuminati. You don't know what to do to escape going your problems. But there is a motherfucker out there that's trying to pass a bill that's gonna sunk us soul up, and we can find him, right, So find his name, put his ship in the circuit, and be like, yo, fuck

this guy. You know what I mean? They claim, y'all, Oh yeah, definitely we all right the whole video the man brought me in. That's what they say, video the man brought me in. I didn't know that, but we're all in it, right. Yeah, listen, you know what really just in hip hop that's was so fucked up if you're successful, it's either you're gay, you're with a little

or you're gay. But that's a loser. But that's a loser mentality because losers are gonna come up with every reason of why they can't win, but their reasons when they put out the videos, it is pretty good true. I believe they're like yo, They're like when they tell me what Nori did with nas in the room and then puffing, I was like, bro, you're right ship hanging out with yo. They caught a picture with me and

meth Man. I went like this, but they caught my fingers bent and he was like, look he's throwing up the six six six and he's I was like, what the full I'm gonna tell them right now like you are. I'm the leader of the cartime. I was playing around about this. There's a kid in the agastar right now, like, damn, it's gonna be it's gonna be a two second clips that we are in. It's gonna be your fans here. We are in the limit. We are. That's crazy. But you know, I feel like when when other person say

that they're downgrading your hard work, that's a scapego. It's a scapegir. But so I'm gonna tell you something right about this this show, right, this show Math, How for Mecca Bigger? I sit back on the show. I came on the show with about in the summertime, right a few months ago. I sat back and watched an organization of things that was unprecedented as far as my experience. Right, I sat and watched Math be calculated in strategic I watched Mecca come with wisdom, right, wisdom and knowledge of

the game experience. I watched Mecca be a person who takes a stand and stands on his his word right and actually his beliefs in his beliefs right, and his fear of God and his belief in God. Yeah, but that's what I'm saying with Bigger, So sit back and watching this makes for a great pot of greatness. It makes for a great part of greatness. And that's why so many people in an intimate environment. Right. First of all,

the Ballshop is an intimate intimate environment. Right, sitting there having these conversations, there's there's no editing of sorts or whatever. If you're sitting in your living room and you're watching the show, there's an intimacy. Then whether you with your boys, or you're in the studio, or you with your your loved one. So what this does is it helps you relate to the show more. You understand what I'm saying. This is why again, you know, motherfucker's can't say it enough.

It's it's number one as far as the independent round. And we respect that because people connect to the intimacy of it, no freaking, no freaky, they connect to that, you know what I'm saying. So I just I just gotta put that out there. We connected that. But but and I'm gonna also tell you something. I also tell you something. Um, he's an independent guy, right if it wants to own a hundred percent of everything, which is great.

I'm a major guy, right, I can own fifty percent of a major company and I'm and I'm good with that, right And as I like what he said, I'm with the major as long as the major's with me. I'm paraphrasing what you say. But um, and that's really what it is. It's like I've been platinum, all right. Being platinum is probably one of the illest feelings you ever had. I wish it on any And I'm gonna tell you something.

When I sold crack, nothing can replace that feeling. So when a person is still selling crack, will still being a drug dealer. I understand that because it's not the money, it's the thrill. It's the thrill of me saying you'll come to the corner. Yeah, I got this, I got and and nothing can replace that until I went until I went gold. When I got gold, it replaced that feeling. Then it's a time in the rapper's life where it's not gonna happen again. Stop. I could not replace that

I was sold until a party game. I can literally go platinum every week week, den't know how hard. And it's it's got so great that we take days off like we do ship and to be like, let's let's interview that, y'all because we know that, y'all we can't help it, but let's give him that platform where and we take a day though, And it's so thrilling because this is the easiest money I've ever made. Not not saying that don't work hard. I work hard as a motherfucker.

But what it is is I'm talking like when I work right rhyme, So I gotta sit there, I gotta I gotta show down. It's rhyme, no rhyme with this, or I ain't say this like this committed to memory. And then yeah, well, well I don't remember I shipping the one. I'll be trying to think I'm holding him negatively the performance he said, I was thinking a joke. But um, yeah, and this it's such a beautiful thing.

Man Um, I'm so glad where y'all at and where y'all continue to go and continue to grow, because because I just I'll tell you, man, Um, being great by yourself is cool, being great with the team is so much better, you know what I mean? Like I don't want to go on vacation by myself and I gotta pay for the bill. Like my people, I want to put them in a position for them to say, Sean, this is on me. And I know I'm saying that

in the most minute situation, but it's really true. It really feels good to empower someone else and to make them the boss. You know what I'm saying, to make them You know, I always say and I probably never said it to E F and or around and my relationship with capone made my relationship with EF so much better. How so because I always just Be'm trying to make a Poem like me. I wanted him to be on time. I wanted him to be punctual. I wanted him to

and that's not who he is. That's not And every time I pushed him to beat to us that we separated so I don't change the e f and at all, this motherfucker don't want to change. I want to roll up this motherfucker. I don't want He just wants to be him. But had I not. Yeah, but I've been through it with Poem, trying to make him like me and realize to just relax with the yall. You know what I'm saying. It's a beautiful thing. And and I'm

proud of that ship. I actually proud because but now us, you know, you look at these people and it looks like we're hanging out with people. Damn there seventy percent of these people are on pay road. They all got dropped. They're all here, seven of them, and they all looked like us. You know what I mean. We was We was able to do that. We was able to um and pick up a vote for that because because when we got a vote, we vote hired this whole staff, and we was like, move me to the check but

and we looked and it's you know, relaxed. But Mr Lee and has it is and you know our roster. I just told him, Man, just watched them. Man, let's watch. Let's see what they are doing. And we realized day smarter than us fire day holes, Well, let me go, and we hired our people back, the same people that was here. And you know that it reminds of the realness that y'all displaying, Like you know, you're my friend. Um, I think this is the first time I met you, right,

I think this is the first time. Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, you hadn't no suit, I think I have you think I'm boy. But and I watch y'all man, and I sit back, and I'm proud, not only proud of you, I'm proud of the older brothers. I'm proud of like and y'rself from the same thing that we suffer from female guests. Mm hmm. We do need some more females. Man. It's just it's just area this time because we say reckless around each other. But if you say, yeah, we

have read me twice. Okay, okay, whoa whoa? Whoa, whoa. No, we had her on the show. I said, hold, my brother might boot for me on too low Brock. She's making around. I'm okay with it, okay with shout to Mike Booth what Yeah, I would, I would too, I would mean and you know what I want to I want to apologize to it too, because I saw a fifty put out an apology. What you went at Megan too. We didn't believe him. We did not believe he bro

We We didn't believe him. She needed more people. She definitely need more people, but she didn't really need more people. She we just needed to hear that. That that jail conversation that was not good. Yeah, Pops got a hill cut, Lord Jesus, But I want to publicly apologize to me in because you know, it's black men we're supposed to protect on women, and I feel like I feeled in that category as far as, like, you know, the things that I said on our podcast, I just I just

didn't believe. I just didn't believe you got puppy. It was not it was it was look at you. Yeah, it's just a serious moment you ain't for I'm almost disappointed. What did you say, I got me disappointed right now, I gotta say that, you know, um, you know, I'm sorry for what you went through. I'm sorry for what you went through. I'm sorry for you know, for that

coming from a black man, and yeah, I apologize. Do you think do you think and by the way, Tories, my man, Tory's been in here, do you think Tori didn't take it serious? Like at one point he felt asleep? I think in court, like, I don't think you're taking your life seriously? Fell to sleep in court? I think Tori, what what you know? But with both of them, I hope they find better places in their lives because we've

seen plenty of artists go through ship. We saw Chris and Rihanna go through the ship and then you know, look at with a now. So hopefully we can get to that space. But we do need to do more about it's just misusing each other, you know what I'm saying. We need to acknowledge that we're human beings and some of us come with traumas, and those traumas because sometimes lead people in the wrong direction. To the more we work on mental health, I feel like that will better

us as a culture. And you know, it's crazy. We old Canada so much favors. Canada could have stepped in. Canada, Canada the country because he's a Canada. He's a Canadian, so get it. But you said we owe them or they us. But yeah, like I mean, Canada could have stepped in. But it's violence. Violence. They can't. They can't do that. They can't. But like if he would have got caught with Keylos, I think Canada would have flex.

They must have like they did the switch with the Yeah, yeah, yeah, what's the what's what's the The Russian ship was wild. But another thing I want to say, by the way they traded a basketball player for Killer. That was hard, not just not just a killer like a killer Homie Bodies weapons game was crazy. He funded wars. But that's that's the part that everybody looks over. He was getting out in a couple more months. Anyway. I think he had been in there for a minute. He was about

to get planned already. Bro. But I'm gonna tell you something. I was like, I'm gonna tell you something still Glass. Yes, my last conversation with Kanye before like he kind of like went dark was That's what he told me. He said he's going to he's had it to Russia that to meet with Putin too, free Home girl. Yeah, whatever, whichever way, whichever way it happened, Kanye was the first person to put it in. Putin here's a question for both of y'all. And I don't know if Kanye told

me that off the record. So if I said that, by get I can y'all see ourselves doing it like that, doing like what going to meet with rulers the whole county? Yeah, hell yeah, hell yeah. And it was sucked up. I smoked weed in Russia with him. Me and him were in Russian That was the most terrifying thing in the world. That was the most racist ever been in my planet. Listen, they're so racist. Listen, listen, but so racist they can't even look at you. What do you mean this? And

this is how dope it was. At the same time, the promoters that booked us booked him. I was his DJ and the manager. The same time the promoters that booked us. You want to know what they said? Hold up, okay, I gotta say it. Let him say it. Russians against racism. I said, We're fucked you. If you got a rear button that says Russ's against racist. We don't belong here. And by the way, by the way, about the story with the soccer gang, Oh, hold on, I'm gonna get

to that. By the way, let me just tell you how crazy it was. Right, we forget that. They just look at us like Americans is no west coast, there is no east. So the guy comes and picks us up in a six fourth chef. He was cool though he was I was like, what, I don't want to we don't drop. He had of a tony touch of mix tape, A no rider. You know. That's that's that's why, that's why we should never hate on each other, because outside of us, everyone looks at us and saying what

he's saying. It's so ill. I'm gonna be honest. We just kicked went in to Hawaii. How was it? Me? My friend Diego, um, and they were racist. Diego is my white friend. He literally sometimes when we're jogging, her walk in front of a car because he's white. He got that privilege. They're not gonna end. Don't even look, they're not gonna hit them. They were racist. Ago I've never seen he literally bought a drink and came up to him and said, you can't drink on the dance floor.

Little bars the dance floor, they go, what the you mean? I come out like literally and I was like, wow, they literally hate Americans. It's America though, And now so he's crazy. This is crazy. I come home and I watched the show called White Lotus. Anybody ever seen the show called White Lotus. They just wanna golden Globe. I want to Oscar, whatever the funk it is. And then in in White Lotus, the lady says, oh, I want to leave because and it's deep. Is deep, she said,

but why would I stay here? These guys store our land and then they make us dance for them for dinner. So when you eat dinner in Hawaii ya, But so the girl was like, yo, I don't want to watch this. This guys stole these guys land and now they gotta dance for them for dinner. It is deep. So no, it gets worse, It gets worse, It gets worse. So now we're in the hotel, we're walking through diegos blended in. It's nothing but me Mike does he blended in gout

doesn't see him. I got us to see him. Guy walks by and goes, there's too many fucking white people in the pool. It's the only place in America. They raised it the white people. And Dio Diego wants something. He goes, does he see him right here? Because he's blended in with black people, he felt so comfortable saying that it suits crazy. I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I went, I went, I went to far No, I was amazing. No, it's crazy because you don't know. And in the world.

Step to me, a whale, step to you, you said, a well, yeah, step to you. What kind of whale? He posted that on this ground. Yeah, I ain't like it. What kind of way? What do you mean? Step to you? These three pit bulls in the hood, step to me? Okay, I like this story. First it was three three pit bulls came running out cries. Right. So so in between cries this, these these private houses. It's like a little area where you feel like, oh, ship, I want to have a house like this one day, you know what

I mean. So I would take chicks on walks through that neighborhood and like be like, yeah, we're gonna get this down, We're gonna do this, bring back to the apartment and smash you know what I mean. But one day, me and three of my homeboys just walking through there, and the dogs came running out from one of those houses. I turned around and looked at him, and I started talking like, Tony Montana, you're a Cuban. I told you a long time. Yeah, I said, you want to play man?

And they stopped. They were balking and running the top speed and they stopped. It was like, oh, ship, he's not scared. All right, we out of here. And I was like, yeah, that's how you turned around, my homies. It was down the block. But yeah, you put pitbows pressed me in. It's a whale step to me. A well, but step, How does a whale step to you in the ocean? Yeah, you don't like you were scooping to you. What did he step to you? Yeah, that's the saying ship.

Look because they By the way, by the way, my wife, my wife never said well watching nothing. She said, we're taking her sunset cruise. I say, okay, that sounds cool. And then you get to the remember the last dragon, Remember last dragon? And they said, and there ain't no coming back. We got to the level where they ain't no coming back. And then and then they said, well, this is where the whales is that? So these motherfucker's turned off the engine. We don't want to scare the whales.

But I'm like, how about the whales? Scaler and me right, So they're like, looking, it's over there, and then the whale comes up. Damn, they just come straight to the y'all straight to you come on the front of the boat smoking weed because that's the only place you can smoke on the is the front. So me and might move and I got up and I just moved away. I said, oh, this is not good. And then the

whale said and then he flew under the boat. But by the way, let me just tell you pause, let me tell you how pauls Let me say how big the well was that he flew under the boat. Everybody was like, oh, this is neat. I was like, this is not neat at all. Lean is filming from one side from the other side, they have the same view. That's how big. Like all he had to do was

and everyone else is no one's no one's panicking. Everyone's like it was at that very moment I knew I was different up drinking my ties I'm like, this is And then at one point the well just looked at me. He just came. He came straight to and you know what the lady. You know what the lady said. You know, the lady came to me. I promised you the people here co signed the story. Lady came to me and said, the whales, no, you don't like them, so that they're

keep filming them. I said, well, tell the worls that's full. I like you, it's not like them. I'm scared. And then it's all new. Someone right about this talk. The guy takes the mic and he goes think some Micy goes listen. We're gonna listen to the whales. Now goes into the water and the whales starts speaking. I said this, I gotta mix tape. Well, mixed tape and get that clothes. I tell you that I wish I was exaggerating any part of this story. I am not. I am not.

There's people here. It's beautiful. Um. That is Maui, one of my favorite places on earth, Malui Honolulu. Um, we're going to the big Island, big up to Royan artest Um world metal piece. Don't go fun with him? He got the people additioning that work on direct TV something like that. They got a little party, so we wanna go out there. Yeah, but man, let me just tell y'all want to I know how hard it is to operate in this space, and I know how hard it is to be important in that space, and I want

to salute you brothers. Man and man. Tell y'all continue to do your thing. What you're doing is right. You're on the right path. The fact that you'll just uh suffer some controversy. I loved it because it wasn't light on you. No. No, I love it because we all got experience. Because rain sun is not good unless you enjoy the rain too, you know what I mean. So I'm anna manage the rain like I never really cook coke good. So when I was a hustler, I had

to hustle in the rain. Real house is called the nigga said cooking good outside of because they got good ship. Let's get what I'm saying. You want to be available at the worst possible time, because ain't that good? But you're gonna make that. I didn't want this ship. Wanting ship I was. I was. I was like from four to nine, like when no one's outside, So crackhead Brenda, she can't really get playing, Like who you else you gonna see? You remember Rainskins? I used to have the Rainskins,

the Columbia Jackets, y'all, the gored text. I used to love snow Rain in the morning shift because because I knew that was it. But so what I'm trying to tell y'all, I'm relating that to y'all is it's very hard to be out here. And what's so crazy this podcast is the New Rappers, right, you know how everyone was wrapped. So, like I said, it's costcos. You know what I mean, It's costcos like everyone wants to be

in costcos. Being in the back of costcos doesn't mean nothing, right unless that person is going to look for that. So I want to pig y'all up. Every one of y'all. Uh, I want you to know that I understand. I want you to continue and keep being unapologetic about this ship.

You know what I'm saying. And because um, I love that you went through it was styles p because Stus is a real person and we we gotta learn, um period, that sometimes relationships we got to choose between relationships and media, and I had to learn that. I learned it, and it's such a bad way that you're learned in a such a better way that I enjoy it like I

enjoy you going through. And it's like the see sail, right, the seesaw is not good unless you gotta go wop it down and then there's gotta be two people on the see sail. See. So can't work by myself. I got deep. I ain't gonna lie. I killed that. I be right now, Anna like that, but not honestly, honestly, for real, what you're doing. It's hard. As a person that's been through, I know what you're going through. I know what you're gonna continue to go through. It is hard,

but know that you're on the path of righteousness. Know that you're on that yellow brick road. You know what I'm saying. So it's gonna lead to Dorothy. Thanks, that's where you don't want to go. You don't you don't want to go to they, But the rest exists. Thank you for saying that. You know what that was. It exists. We need to avoid her to get to Dorothy, and we need to tap our boots because that's what there's no place like home. And you know where home is here.

It's not a place, it's it's here. And that is also taking care of your family, taking care of people. D m X at right there when DMX said something to me that changed my life forever. I said something about an artist in DMX, I can't call him whack. And I said why he said, because for everyone artist, they feeds sixteen people from the hood. So if I call this artist whack, I'm taking away from sixteen people's mouths. So I don't call no podcast. Even though a lot

of you whack out there. I don't take a shot the end this out. But I'm telling y'all again, I know me and you have very close relationship. A lot of people don't know that. We don't really tell people. But any time you call I pick up, any time I call you pick up, you be there for me too. I loved when you called me for Wu Tang when I was going through the Remember that I was going through the woof tang ship man call me for the car. And as much as I know you appreciate me, I

want you to know I appreciate you. I sit down, I take your advice as well. Um it's not just it's a see sawt with us. And I respect all of you brothers, and I want you to continue to do what you gotta do. Keep monkey footing these people in they fucking face, keep keeping doing, keep doing it because because because y'all on the right path, got it. So we can went to the West, go out there and go hang out with Dorthy because I feel like

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