Episode 331 w/ Black Star featuring Dave Chappelle

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tab crazy warp ya will make something? And right now I'm gonna be honest, man, when we're looking at these two brothers here, as at one point I never thought I would see them back together. One brother was in Africa like an instance. The other brother was in Utica sells. So then we got another brother will pop into the area. Now the most legendary but we'll talk about that later.

But let's just get that they had just dropped album that is just for the fans, and they could have put it on Spotify, they could have put it on iTunes, they could have put it on your local Julry. No, they wanted to put it for their fans, their fans only. These guys are monkey footing footing and they're still the most lyrical motherfucker's in the game. And I'm listening to this album and they're not slipping up even a little bit.

And they got a lot of money. In case you don't know what I'm talking about, we're talking about the one, the only motherfucker blackstar. Now, y'all seen bad. I'm gonna start with you. I don't have a lot of money. I live on the stipend. Yeah, me too. Do we have that clip? Now? Let me just tell you something, y'all seen bay. This is real talk. Whenever I'm down and I feel like life it's fucked up and I don't want to keep moving on. Oh, I feel like music,

it's not where I wanted to be. I always go to this clip and I watched this and this ship saves my life. This is real talk. Can you play it? Please? Oh? Like that's the old man. That's not even then. It's just you know, I'm not it's not. It's all favorable. Its beautiful. That blazer was gortious. Don't forget to dark

the whole thing. It's a good moment. I'm gonna tell you why I love that clip the dude rags, if the door was a good day, the success, the success of Your Soul, the success of Black Starter, success of Dave Jappelle's show. Your bars are not supposed to be like that. Um, yes they are there because what I'm this is what I'm here to do. This is allows gift to me right. So you must, you know, put your crown on many months. You always knew that I was. I was great at ryman from the mom started I

was nine years old. I was never not good. I think we should makes no noise of that. You don't need that confidence. I'm gonna be honest, and I swear to god I really wasn't because had we just did this interview would just be just us and not at the shock. I swear to God, this is something that really motivates me because I fall out of love of music a lot like I fall out of love with the business. Did us a business? I mean, there's nothing. It's not you know, you should fall out of love.

That means your human being, you know what I mean, it's not worthy of your love. You understand. This is not the music, so is another thing altogether. I mean, the the fence around it called the industry is just you know, it's just a industrial fence, you know. So we had Top Level on the show and we actually asked him, um, well you're a where about said what time? Because we had he was like, no, man at one point, right, I'm alive on a planet Earth. My country's Earth. I'm

from a country called Earth like everybody else. So that's my perspective on life and living in places. Never heard of this, yeah, because that was the rule. What the rumor was, you went to Africa and you lost your passport and then you became a citizen of whatever country. I'll tell the food story another time, because you know, that's the whole thing I was. I was living in South Africa and during my stay there, obtained this secondary travel document which is well documented the history of it

and the province of it and and the like. And I obtained one and there was some disagreement between you, myself and the and the South African government as it relates to what they qualifies valid travel document. And that was the older part that I remember, because this is supposed apoltize, but you know, but it's still apolitize as many different outfits these days. Uh So I wouldn't classify

so much as that, but it wasn't experienced. I often invite people to look up the World Passport for themselves and just take it from there because I'm not here to make up anybody's mind about anything. But that was a part of my experience. He said, let me not get my hopes up. You said the World's passport, the World. I'm a fellow and I cannot fill out for that, right. Let's be clear. You have to look at up. But I'm sure that this is I feel like I'm not

going to be citizen. It's information out about it. Anyone is invited to check it out from them shoves. I don't like a community and people need to be part of I don't want to, you know, shut me down. You fell it shot the first time I said you were going to Africa. You said, dude, they got w's in Africa. Was out a lot, because you know why they used to lie to me this, to tell me I had to get vaccines. I had to get shots that depend on the country going over there. This but

this is this is Africa. Total totality at this time until I met a con and then a can said you come out there now, vaccine nothing Like, I don't know if I believe you anymore. Okay, he just sold everything to me. He was like, come on, now where let's just go. I'm just like I get you New Jersey City is different. Let's just let's just get back to this album, right you guys? Um, these fans have

been backing for this album for so long. So on this is like a two part question because on one part you gave the fans everything they wanted, but then something. But to this generation, this might be the most laziest generation I've ever seen. Like they have Google, Yeah they have Google, and they'll still be like, well how do

I get it? Right? So I remember a friend of Mines had he threw out a movie and this movie was so hard to download, like it wasn't in the so and he was like, yo, how much people not supporting us? We can't find the ship. You know what what I'm saying, because so how do y'all, y'all, y'all, y'all navigate through this the system of you know, these fans that because it was Luminary Luminary, everyone doesn't notice a subscription based everyone doesn't notice. How do how do

y'all navigate? This is the first album like music project on that because the podcast there you go? You knew we did a podcast to that come off? Because I mean and listen, I'm not gonna uh differentiate between real and fake fans because who knows what station people are in life and with what they are in their life to even know that we have but we have made a choice for a lot of valid reasons to be in control of where and how we just tribute our art.

And I think every artist should have that choice, just like every human beings. You have a choice where to so they wears that if they if they got wears um and so because of that choice to have our podcast on Luminary, people's parties on Luminary, people who have been following us, and am I saying real fans, but people who have come on a journey with us have been followed what we are seeing bays done with our installations.

Who understand about the albums that he's worked on, who understand who followed me and styles p Me and dimond d album, the ones who follow who go to Netflix and see on Day Chappelle specials. These people was already Onliminary. They were already listening to Midnight Miracle, you know. And again I want to stress that's not even a judgment

or nothing. But at this point in our careers and because of the way the music business, and speaking for myself, we we have to as as men um and as artists focus on not trying to cast a wide net and get everybody. Because even me as a fan, as a fan of black Star, I want to hear black Star wherever I feel like hearing it. But me as as a fan of black Star, also want to trust black Star, and I also want to follow black Star lead and it And for us it makes sense not

to cast a wide and try to get everybody. But for the people who are are following us and people who are rocking with us, let's get them first. And you know what, we may have vinyl come out, we may do other things. I mean, we you know, it's a supple choice. It's not like there's an effort to

make it unnecessarily inconvenient for people. I mean from from my point of view, I mean, it seems fairly accessible and like a reasonable distance for any listener to cover, you know, with consolidating the experience, you're saying, you don't have to go to all of these different places, you could just come right here. And you know, it's it's

a question of value. If you value what we're doing, and we've explained to you, I mean quite clearly in in uh, in various formats, the reasons why we why we've chosen to do this, and the principles behind it, and what we're trying to establish and what we're trying to reform in many ways, uh that exists in the system. Then it's like it's a no brainer. You're supporting the

historical project with an historical approach. So if that's too cumbersome for you with the like, just stay where you are to be quite candid, because you know when it's not We're not here to just bower to make things like convenient for people per se. You know, we're not complicating the process in this way. If the machine as it exists now was more amenable and fair within no problem. But when they like in a legalized criminal enterprise and

essence and my observation. But then, I mean, like back in the days, if you want a good you know, go front, you have to go to out we square more. But no, no, it's not even that. I mean, it's not even that. It's like, you know, again, there's a prevailing metric that exists that does not take the artists into consideration at all, that really doesn't take humanity into consideration at all, to be perfectly candid, um, and what

we're doing is a very human thing. So it's we're not gonna let the machine set the pace for us when we built the machine. In essence, you know, she can't do what we do. There's gonna be people that listening they don't artists that don't know there's creative ways to release their music and maintain ownership. And without getting into the details of your business, it seems like what you did here is to maintain ownership. You know, get what you're going to get something out of putting it out.

You you could do something else with it down the line. It is the life of it. I mean, it came out two weeks ago. You know barely. You know, this is just the beginning. It's it's not like something that just came out this week and it's gonna go away, you know. It's it's it's historically preserved. And that's the difference. And you have to have the confidence of knowing that you're in a position to do that and knowing that your album, like we called a no fair of Time,

will stand the test of time. If you're chasing the moment, you're chasing cloud and you're chasing something that's not actually real. It's not a promo room for first quarter or fourth quarter numbers and like that, right, I just want to do a shot with you for no reason. It's just gonna worst. I'm just hosting, okay, alcoholics. So like, let's crib to this area that we have right now. It's

called the Shock. Let's crib to us this. The Shock is an old car garage, probably from the nineteen fifties. I didn't change the outside at all, but inside we tricked it out. I would drive by and I told my wife, one day's gonna buy it. We're gonna do with that shock. I said, don't you worry about what I'm gonna do with that shock. What I did was I made this clubhouse. Nothing fancy, but man, this is like a home for our culture. Means a lot nor that think you came here the last time I saw DMX.

We had a great night here. All he brought them by. We've had parties here with common with rhyme and and freestyle or a chance to wrap. All kinds of people just fall through and we make we make memories. The walls in the here splattered with just random night memories. Photographer Matchi Baton, I think took all these photos with the exception on the block party post. It's me and Most a comedy club in London. We had a great

time that night. We ended up watching the super Bowl and then then halftime called Colin kaebinet because we could a lot of this, you know, like like this is a strange place, Ohio, but it's a good place. But the memories we may hear, our legendary things have happened in this room, in this town people wouldn't even believe, and qualities of regularly seen the regularly outum here in this rage. So can I say something because a lot of times people move to Miami and say I'm never

coming home. I'm gonna stay here. A lot of policy pople go to Japan and say I'm never coming home, I'm staying here. They go to l A. This is probably the first time a person said I'm going I'm staying in Ohio. I'm never going back. How did you? How did you discover this? We don't know if that needs its own episode. What I mean, we do the thing? Yeah, home culture, you're here, man chance whatever was complaining about it,

But let me say, let me tell you something, Dave. Um, I'm sure it was about giving people their flowers and giving people um their praises. Now and Um, I'm gonna just tell you something I've seen the likes of I was too young for Richard Pryor, so I came Eddie Murphy. I remember when people went to go see Eddie Murphy movies and they got dipped like like they was taking pictures for the mo they were in the movie. And I've seen these comedians run. And I've always seen people

go Hollywood and you know, leave certain people. The thing that specially about Daves as you always have hip hop with you. When I did your bell show, and I wanted to do music I couldn't get. People would come on. I would reach out the artists and like, like, who could you remember that? You try to get I'm not gonna say any names. He's he's a dirty motherfucker's going just you know what love? And I didn't know what love.

But in their defense or whatever, heard of this show anything, So so that I come over here to everyone come away for one second, because this is a funny part. It is all funny. Um, we know, yeah, yeah, go over there. We know we need to read the listen mostly professional. Yeah, see and and and Dave, me and Tyler has always been great. I felt like after I had a certain person on my show, we even got tight up, which is not heard of because when certain

things like that happened, most people you do. I was with okay when the drink okay. So I called each other, Oh, I called you, you called me or whatever. We called each other, and we said we can't let this come out without telling hold on, hold hold right, without telling Tyler at first. I telling t first. So I would like to ask y'all, where was y'all that when y'all first heard Kanye say this is not the Kennedy's assassination. First of all, where are you? It was eating Mary's

potatoes when it came across the wire. We were again, and what happened in different because y'all get high. Look look, no, no, no no. The only reason we're even smoking and drinking and entertaining this tom foolery is because going the show called Drink Chiss right, you mean drink Champs. I'm standing next to mean drink Chap. Nobody's working with him. So y'all, y'all, and what happens I don't remember listening to listen. No, no, no, listen. Pop culture is a desert right now, and your show

is an anomaly. And that Kanye west Uh interview you did was one of my favorite things that I've seen in all of pop culture in recent history. I funk with Kanye, but man, I ain't seen him like that in a minute. It was funny, it was engaging, and then this nigger had to go in on Quality's head. I forgot about. He said something about Quality making baseball

heads paper that I ain't no disrespecting laugh. I would like to beat you up, Toddler, because honestly, I could tell the first two days we spoke, you were hot, okay, I can tell, but you trusted me as a friend, huh. And I was really respect that because you knew I see your toler I couldn't stop anything, you know, like once once the person starts to go and the person of that kind of but I just like, damn, what do I do? I can't throw a muzzle on him.

But you could have. You could have took this the wrong wrong way. You could have you could have called about no, no, because I killed that mother for that baseball hat com in. Nobody, nobody hat know what this thing was. This thing was not hot at all. I was with him immediately, Yeah he was not. But my first two calls, I was nervous. But then the third and fourth and everyone you kind of like just brush

it off. And it was just like, but you said something to me that was very, very probably the most popular, probably the most illest things I've ever heard in my life. You said to me the thing about Kanye, even when he disses you, he helps you m And you said, the problem with him he knows that. I do remember saying that. I agree with that. So I didn't hear this. I heard of this because I heard I did that had fun with it. But you know, you think, are

you getting phone calls? How? How is this? How does this? I mean obviously me and fan called you, but the episode drops. Are you getting phone calls? How does this work for you? Oh? Yeah, that was good times. Um, it was good times. It felt like you know what it felt like. It felt like having a hit record out. That's how it felt, the way that I remember like when get By was out. Just how it just so it just so, it just you know, it reminded me of what Kanye meant to the culture. And you know,

the hat ship was funny to me. Um, it was hilarious. Thought was I lacked? But I didn't even realize with hats like that. I was like, because you helped me because y'all put it in two parts, right, so it was it was a cliffhanger, right, And the first part he just dissed me, and I didn't see the second part. The first part I was like, oh, that was weird, but the second part you was like, yo, but didn't

you just see him? And what she was talking about was pictures at my Dave Chappelle comedy show, which was on my birthday, I DJ. I'm DJ, and Dave says, Kanye gonna show U. Kanye shows up, no security nothing. I'm like, okay, I'm gonna playing all Kanye set. He sat next to me. We had a great time. That was like a month before I saw my drink chairs at the at the stand, I broke it up. But now you know, it was my birthday, so I had all my people with me, a lot of flapush niggas,

a lot of baseball hats. So when Kanye said it's gonna be twelve niggas with baseball hats, which niggas he was talking about what I'm saying, and we all had a group chat. Well you know we you know, you're a certain age you on the group chat with your friends who back in the day were on the group chatters laughing about ship um. But you know, it was a moment that I had that I had to I had to have fun with it because I got a lot of love for Kanye UM, and he seemed there

was there was underlying context behind that. You know, It's really had nothing to do with bars or common of baseball hats and none of that, and nothing to do with that and so for me it was Kanye got a huge platform, and I care and I you know, I'm like Marlow from the Ward. My name is my name. You don't speak my name in no disrepectful way. That's how I feel. Um. And he got a huge platform, and I love him any my friend and my brother.

So this was all I loved that about you. Very conflicting and difficult expressed on drinks before me, and to be real, me expressing that drink chance is what he was responded to when he when he said what he had to say. It was when I saw the documentary and shout out of cooty because I think he did a great job. But when I sort of coumentary this moment in the documentary and me and y'all seen Bay together with Kanye, and I'll be honest with you, my

life was moving so fast at the time. A lot of shows, a lot of drinking, a lot of smoking, a lot of just rather, that's a lot of ship. I want to I wanted this documentary, and I don't remember those moments, and so me not remembering those moments, I had to realize, well, if I don't even remember those moments, I had to see my film. The people who wasn't there, they definitely don't know about that, so

they don't have no context. So I have to stop even be considering the context of people who wasn't there, you know what I'm saying. Like for the people who was there, they know you know what I'm saying, And that's that's that's what that documentary reminded me of. Okay, very briefly, I spoke to consequence al right. It was just when the first episode dropped, by the way, with this thing consequence perfect teeth f me. So someone I

spoke the consequence, So yeah, I see. So when I supposed a consequence, at first, it seemed like he was, you know, a little descrunted because people was using footage of him that UM was from from from early on, and then later on it seemed like it was like it was cool. But one of the forties from the Kanye documentaries you just broke up is you kept saying this guy is going to be the guy. Yeah. I did, like very confidently too. Yeah, I mean I think you

ever said you gonna do the whole album together. It's fairly obvious to men from the from the get go. Where I was headed where it already was. When you I don't mean he was amazing producer, Um, he had all the star quality. He was different, he challenged, in my opinion, a lot of the macho notion this associated with hip hop specifically, like he even just said recently, he said, you won't do U four years in college, but he's twenty five of Life's disrespect to every gigster

nigger in the world. No one can become quite well. He said what he said, he said in college. Don't do four years in college, but you do twenty life. What he's trying to say, I mean, this is very hood what I'm doing. It's all good, okay, when we placed our value yea. And then he also said me and that has we change? Like it's also like you this in a million I've never heard this before, but who is this in a millionaire? Don't want which mann this All of us took my ship. I'm talking abo

river fishing boats made out of nitrial rubber. I see what you're saying on the documentary, and I see what even Dave said. When Dave said, like, you know, he was watching these clips with Kanye and Kanye but said I'm dope. What I'm doing dope ship. But what I'm trying to get from you is what was the actual thing that you knew that this guy was great? You listened to the Beach, he did the truth for bet Seagull.

If this guy is fifty is good ms with the beach, He's gonna n Diamond D. There's another uh MC producer, hip hop is it is a classic um Pete rock who he was just kind of like further around it sometimes. Whatever he would do, it was, it was. It was a pure thing. I take it is the same way

Dylan is the same way um Um for all. Corye took it to the fullest, you know extension where he was like no, I'm and people weren't trying to accept Connie because he didn't fit into the archetype of what has been sold as a solo rapper image at that time. He changed the power aim for it was possible and in terms of an audience connecting with um with not just the music, but also an approach him and the whole thing with the you know, college dropout, with the

mascot all that, it's like it's art. You know what I'm saying it wasn't about him. You know, I'm on the block doing this and this and that, but he and he made songs that the appeal to everybody, no matter where you were. You know, it was just it was just good music. I mean, you know, good life is not about some macho posta. It's just dope, you know.

So that's what I appreciate it about him. And I saw what Puff was doing with no way out what I was like, if that's working them, I no, just pauper Puff is not Broa like Cone Public, not even Wa like Dr Dre. Dr Dre is going in on those bards, whether he wrote them or not, he sounds fantastic. Then I say that Pup doesn't. But it's just, you know,

it's another hemisphere. Kanye was like, and he said that ain't nobody, don't, don't can help you go and get Ain't nobody colleges do the rapping attract triple double nor assys. It's like he's telling you, and when you have that type of talent musically, but naturally you don't have something interesting the same and through the wires. It's the most

rocking rooms. Shoupever who does a verse with they your wife shout after they you know, like and this is the response to like flying out of the window of a moving car to their driving like you know, like you know, in a barely thirty or like in his early thirties, and so it's like that's a serious thing. So yeah, it was just always evident to me he had division after he came out with graduation. Let me say a story, so graduation hoping I had none of my teeth because I was going, Um, what kind of

food was you tho? I was very simple, like a chicken wing and some rice. Um. But thanks for asking and a recent spaces as an appartify, I have another one now, um um. So Karne just before graduation and this is around the time that it was that whole thing between him and fifty, like who's going to have the better first year? Was gonna be the king hip hop of a boom and this is this is fifty posts give us do try and fifties like, uh, you know, its presence is up. It's like give us a fine.

It's like, I don't care what you feel about you know, gang survived or even fifty himself. But that's ship is classic. I mean that that is a classic record. So, um, the fifties up and he's loaded up with another one, and you nobody really knows what it's gonna because people forget poll the dollar fifty Like with fifty was like spitting fifty. Yeah, so you know, like fifty was like never got paid as cool. I'm not, I'm not, I'm not,

just say I feel you. Yeah, he tells me a favorite, right right, So it was that whole um battle that they you know that they were very happy to have it. Man, Kanye had a listening sens and it was in a movie theater. I never forget it was right over there by um no it it's like in the back of the old defam but like in the forties and fifties,

like just off there, like by way cats. The cats did it as you woke that block over it's like forty it's not so many students, but it's like it's like forty nine and now I think it's no, it's before tests. It's like nine. It's right there in the corner when the old yeah, the old deaf gym the university used to say. Anyway, it was a local movie theater. It was there, and what Kanye did is that you

came into the movie theater. He had programs for like all of the songs and some of the lyrics and all that, so so caramel popcorn and edited visuals from anime movies that he liked and played that in sync to the music. The moment that he did that and the moment that I left there that I was like, Kanye wins, I don't care what fifty sent Guy in the tank. He is not beating this album at this time. It's just no way. It was so creative. It was

I mean, good Mornings. Graduation is like it's like a thriller moment that people actually want to appropriately appropriately appreciate you for this. I mean, and they tried it. I always felt like they tried to hate on it because he really sold a million records in the day. I don't care what they say. I don't know about the space program, but he they said he showed his first day. The first week is the first day, if I'm not mistakes, the first week and first day was the first day,

uh fifty so seven hundred thousand copies. This is before Spotify and all of this, like we opened, we got so call. He sold nine hundred thousand pieces, which means he sold themis and he don't want to off. It's just like, let's quit playing games. It kept it kept the record industry like floating for at least the next five years with that, and it helped them transition into this whole stream of model because they was just sitting on a cash and mean, who who performs like that.

It wasn't cold playing, It wasn't YouTube, it wasn't any it wasn't any other genre. It was Kanye West with beautifully, cleanly produced album. There was pure hip hop and Barry Bards like, what are we even talking about? This ship is out of control, and yeah, I was like, fifties, they don't have nothing. In response to that, he I mean, he's you know, he's he was riding in the tide

that Kanye created. In my opinion and from an observers point of view, for me, it felt like a referendum on the on the words I don't know what about, but just kind of ba've been this whole town. I'd been like, yeah, I haven't a reverend. It is like,

you know, it's like a vote. It's like it's almost like a public petition, but it's not exactly a vote, but it's like something that happens before a vote, but they have sign of cultural referendums like this side or this side is going to determine the cultural direction for this group for at least the next five years, if not the full generation. And in my opinion, that's what

Kanye West Graduation Album did. It opened up the paradigm creatively for what could be viewed as uh groundbreaking and inventive and also having big scale, and there was no one at that type of pop culture scale who was being that creative, you know, particularly in hip hop. So it was a it's a big moment for the culture. I mean, and and you know this care for Chicago to everybody stepped on because he was wearing hard bottom shoes and you know, you know, fucking card agains with

button down shirts. Were not everybody dresses like that, but at least wants to you know, like you know, you know, Kanye just stayed shoot to himself. I think this was the real power. But it's not about following the style that somebody introduced to you. It's about being you. You know, and let me ask there was a cover, right, I believe it was you black thought and fall mons, that's soce magazine, magazine magazine. This is backpack. I mean, let me tell you what the outside of us looking at

it saying pack hip hop is at the forefront. Now, I guess, but you know what I mean. Even um, but even the backpack coach never accepted that terminology either. It was like it's something that people came up with to try to like, you know, I give what people coming from with it, but it was like it never stuck because it doesn't have any gravity to it. It's like, what that's not you know what it is. It's like, Okay, so I grew up in Flatbush flat Lands area. It's

a two fair zone. And so when we went to when at that time Greenwich Village, Lower East Side, and go to parties in the city, we hopp in the turnstyle. We had backpacks hard and it was a very practical New York City Thing'd be like a sign of dangerous, like I do some the trade dude, some of bubble like a guy. But then you started seeing then you start seeing in hip hop videos, you start seeing Grand

Puba with the backpack on. Then you have kids from the suburbs coming and let me tell you wearing back at the show. Let me tell you we're backpacked. That's where he came frowned upon backpacks and gangster culture was simultaneously. At one time we ran in the same It was one video what they do the roots. It's separated backpack and gangster. That sounds personal because it did. It did no, because you know what it did. Everything that represented gangster

the roots had dissed at that moment. Damn, I'm right now. Let me play some outside baseballs, some outside of baseball. I'm not a rapper, No guessing because I need to hear y'all face. After that, here I go, Okay, well we got the most bitches win. Okay, his head bitches? What they do? Who do what they do? Love video? Yes, and it was clever. But there was more bitches at the biggest show than there was at one more more more particularly, there's more bitches at the NA show. Okay,

but that but they didn't come yet. What they do was before tell you something, what they do before you tell something. I don't know if I remember me at NAS happened to meet it and him saying that is about me a meeting about this I'm saying, your b son, this is not about you at all. But remember when they're tasting the rapper through where they tasting the rapper through a Queen's bridge in the projects, not Queen's bridge, any projects in America, but every project looks the same.

So I remember that that that was the time, this long rudge that can't believe, I can't believe you still have trauma over there? What they do video backpack that no, no, but he sounds like you know, he sound like Memphis Beleef talking about the nozzle No, because you know what. You know what it was crazy to me was when Kanye said that, he said I was faking being a backpack wrapper and boot Camp. People from boot Camp came at us and said, yo, we want to respond to Kanye.

And I was like, I don't think they were talking about you at Yeah, I don't think he was talking. He was talking about buckshot, buckshots, people who hit us. And because you want remember who got the prov video buckshot five foot with the backpacks jumping around and said that was the first is that considered that he felt that way. That's why they backed that, That's why they felt that felt they brought it down. But I didn't understand that when buck because they had the backpacks, they

got the person Buckshot. Buckshot performs he wears a backpack. I just did the apolo with care. Was one came out with the backpacker. You know what, Now I get now, I get it, not get what he was doing. He came back, he took he he put the backpack on the ground and he turned around like this. That's what he did. Now I understand what he was doing. Buckshot. Yeah, he was making a statement about backpacks. But kan you

definitely was talking about that. He was talking about the underground scene, which I was saying because that was the scene that was supporting him. He's talking about in Puerto Rican busy. Yeah, so least never died. Man with a moment, I'm doing the drink Champs and Yellow Springs, Ohio with most death in time of quality. Nigga, we only need extra pages in our passports because we are those kinds of niggas. We need travel this world. One does it and here we all are in Milan nowhere being us.

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