Episode 313 w/ Pusha T

crazy World Radio Drink Chance, motherfucker. Yea, I'm gonna be honest. Oh, when we introducing this next guest, he has he has been sipping from the fountain and of youth for about twenty something years. He's not aged at all. It's the same his bar level. It's has increased and increased and increased. It's not to say that he's selling more drugs, but the has been. If there's something called rap steroids, I'm

pretty sure he invented it better and better. With time, he's been able to fulfill the dream that I always wanted to do. I always wanted to have for Rell and Swiss Beats produced the whole album, but he got someone. He got Forrell and Kanye, something I never even thought of. I mean, this album is really really like fine Wine. I mean, he comes from my era. So I wanted to critique it. I wanted to find the flaws in it. I wanted to be like, well, you ain't do this, this, this,

or you ain't do that. It's not there. It's not there. People. I try to analyze it. I try to analyze the something, and it's not there. This album is excellent. So then when you hear the the man who represents black excellence, Dad, he comes on and trust me, if he ain't getting paid here on promotion, we've tried, and he gets on there and says, this is the album, this is it. We're not playing around out here. This man has been able to maintain the level of what is this relevancy

in different errors without being old. It's crazy. From cash Doll to whoever he could work with, to Kendrick he could work with and stand the test of time. In case you don't know who the I'm talking about, he told about the one the motherfucking only push your motherfure.

I can't lie to you push up. I really did look at the album and I wanted to do it, not as a friend, I don't want to say as a journalist, but yeah, let's say that I wanted to look at it with so well I could be like, man, he's and it was one of the things I did. And then it shut me up. I said, damn, he ain't got no radio record. And then the little Uzy bird came in and just smapped me. Got the funk up North? How do you maintain that? Because this is

it's hard, bro, and especially getting money. The more money we get, the hunger goes away. That's true. So I mean, yeah, man, I ain't been hungry a long time. None of you made that hunk on that mic level. Man, I'm I've made it my business. Two. First of all, I only know how to wrap one way. I only know lyric driven metaphors, wrap, street wrap. That's it, and that's what I'm comfortable with. I know if I step outside of that, I'm gonna look like a clown. That's just not That's

not me. Um, you know, but I only know how to do it one way. So I've made it my business to make sure lyrically it stays up, you know, it can stand up against whatever is popular out there as well. Like that's how I attack it. I listen

to everything that's going on musically. Actually yeah yeah, I like her, but but you know, um, I listen to all the all the young, all the young, all of young music, and and listening to it while I'm writing, I'm definitely thinking like, man, how how can these flows? How can these bounces? How can the things that I'm saying, you know, still relate to them still relate to them? And and they get it or they just respected It's not you know, it's like the same way. I can't

do what they do. I'm pretty sure they can't do what I do either, But we gotta respect each other's craft. And that's how I attack it. Because there was something like I've seen the Colorade video on YEA. It was something that Charlotte Magne said that really hit me. He said, Um, one thing you can never really like praise too much is youth because if you're really good, your youth goes like don't get don't get the Twitter. You could be

young forever, like you'll be young forever. But is that something that you you pride you probade yourself on is because you know the longevity, Like we didn't coming up. We didn't realize Damn que Tip. This is you know, praising que We didn't realize that they're here fifteen years realized and we didn't us how hard that was. If that's something that you you you meditated and thought about, or is that something that just came out, Well, it's been it's been a it's been part of my race.

I put this, This has been in my plan. This

has been a part of my race. Um. You know, when I think about all the greats that I ever loved, everybody who was like popping there, I mean, you know, everybody I tried to young, trying to dress like and put on clothes like cume my eyebrows and everything I was I did right of course, of course, when I think about it, they only had three joints, three albums, maybe maybe five if you look at the basics between Came and Caress and kind of realized like Damn Kine

only probably had three albums, Like maybe maybe whose fault you think that would be? There's as an artist or the industry at the time. Now I think it's I think it's UM, well, this is this is my theory on that. Um. I'm gonna say it's their fault artistically. UM, but I'm gonna say this, the error in which they came up and was so good. It was the Golden Age, the golden error, the greatest music. Still think about it. We're still taking fashion cues from them, you know what

I'm saying. We still it's still all from them. So when everything that came after them versus embracing it, I feel like they were more like, yeah, but it ain't like what we did, you know what I'm saying. It ain't like how we was rocking. And I feel like that, you know, when you have that that mentality and that energy you um, it sort of ages you out and and it and it stifles, it stifles the progression of what you could be doing. You know what I'm saying.

I think and in all honesty, I think that, Um, I want to say that from from before that era or from that era, I want to say Hove is probably the only one who did more reaching out or or or your rock with whether it was you know, internally with the young Philly dudes and on rock, versus doing the features with whoever you you know, YouTube are maintaining that level of legends, legendary news that younger more

competing with it, competing with it, doesn't put it. That's very hard, Yeah, because when they're calling you a legend or they're calling your o G, they're also calling you, oh sure, and what's wrong with that? What's wrong with no? No? No No no. But when there's nothing wrong with the way, but the youth looks at that as a crush. That doesn't look at that as as as a shield. They

don't look at that as a sward. They look at it as a handicap almost like like if you look at the interview, like with Corn, the way she's dropping out how much she can't understand why charlottage and keeps bringing up push your ded She's like, well, how old is he is? Like like, know, he's forty, and forty is like great to if you're twenty years old, and I cooration big up up, but yeah I like that to um big upray and todging all of them and

and and and the pops to everybody. But what I'm trying to say is forty seems so old to us, and now that we're forty it's like, oh, we're still young, but they don't get that right. And I think I think that, you know, I think that the way that my fan base has has grown, I feel like I got Day one fans and I also pick up new ones. But I feel like that comes from that comes from outside of music too, that comes from like the fashion aspect or the just or just even sonically, Like you

know what I'm saying. It's it's you know, like the cool kids. The cool kids still love to decipher the lyrics and and and and they want to be put on too, like oh, what's that branding talking about? Because they want to go outside and be like, oh I got this, you ain't got this, you ain't on it. So as long as you still playing those games, it sort of helps. I won't lie to you. I listened to the Little Oozy Bird song, and I did not

know I was a Little Oozy Bird fan. I did not know that because I went and I took that. I went on and I wanted to to to see all these other songs that Little Ouzy Bird is on, and it was so many songs that I was familiar. I just didn't identify that that was a little Uzy. Was he special? It was he special because what people don't know is Ouzy, it was he's Philly. He's a rapper.

Like you know what I'm saying, He didn't just unlocked his creativity on some like you know what I'm saying, don't play you know what I'm saying, Like slightly had a diamond him space. He deserves it. But you know and and and you know, so he still he But a lot of people don't know is he really has the skill set. And when you hear the verse and you'd be like, oh no, he got a real skill set. We're listening to Neon Guts with him and Farrell, It's like, oh,

oh hell no, he really rapped. He doing what he want to do. How yeah, it's big blue versus not look over that. But how crazy? How many great hairs that you get trying to get Kanye and Farrell in the studio at the same time. Oh I didn't even not even once, not even once. I um, you know, I really so. How I started the whole process of even making the album was like I had like a I had a record. I had one record from from YEA and that was hearing me clearly right, yeah, So

I took. I took it was one verse, so I took hear me clearly down in Miami. I came down here and I was just like, yeah, man, I'm ready to start. I said me, and you cooked up something the other day and it just got me going. And he was like, let me hear it for I was like, let me hear it. So I played it and he was like he shrugged on me. Yeah, you want to hear me clearly right, And he was like, you know, like I I love Cocky forever. Listen, listen, but don't

nobody know that me? Like he like yo, he like, um, I mean it's all right, but I mean you like you. I mean you wanta be in a mixtape? You wanna make a mixtape? How many mixtapes you want to make? How many mixtapes you want to make? It? So I was like, you know at the time, so I'm like damn, like you know and mind you were just talking. He's like, man, like you know, for you to go to the next level, you gotta become a character out here, like, bro, how

many Hot six teams? Bro, I'm tired of the Hot six team And and Bros, I'm talking about it's punching me. Every every word he's saying, it's punching me, punching me right, And I'm like, no, it's to my face. And I'm like and I'm you know, I'm just thinking. I'm sitting them thinking, I'm thinking back. I'm like, man, I used to like, you know, you got on like I used to get in your huge gs. We used to ride the Norfic State, go pick up these same mixtapes you're

talking about. Ride the whole day. You know, we know the whole verse from north the Virginia Beach and back. Like it's just like, you know what, I'm just thinking to myself like damn, like is we not? Is we not where we're at? Like you know? And he was then I just got, you know, I just I just listen. I just listened and just let him keep going. And I realized, man, like he's just at a place where that man tries to knock everything out the park everything, I don't care what it is. And and I don't

even think we made music. That's how that's how the conversation was so ill to me. I don't think we made music that day. I think we just talked it out and and I had to like just process it and like you know, and you know, we might have had just had the rest of the day kicked in, whatever the case may be. But I don't I don't think we did nothing that day, nothing with the with the intentions on coming into like yo, let's let's get busy. And you know, I had, um it was it was.

It was in the pandemic or whatever. So usually every morning, every morning, me and him a talk six in the morning, you know, six. He's definitely the early guy, early guy. Yeah, you're early, so um being I was, I was standing at this crib during this time. We would just get up. We just get up at six. So I'm like, man, you know, we're both up, we're both fresh. He's like, man, let's come in when we're fresh, and let's just um,

you know, let's let's let's just start working. And so then that's when the actual process started, like a day later, and we're just being the studio working get up early, because you're working together since you since y'all was in Virginia broke nothing, so not rapping, not rapping, I was, We've been working together since we were hanging out. I wasn't even rapping. He came to me one day on some like he came to me like, Yo, your brother is Gene. He'd rapping his dude, I know you were

kidding me. Got a lot and I'm like, oh, real, Like, I was like, no, you can't work with him. He worked with Tim, can't. I just wanted like yeah, And he was, you know he was at that time. But Timberland and my brother they all went to junior high school together and Timerland was the DJ for all of the everybody who rapped, and he knew my brother from being down the beach and rapping amongst all of them

guys and didn't know that that was my brother. Yeah, so um, you know when he found out that, he was like, oh man, you know, time goes on Tim, Tim you know, got his foot in the career, his foot in the door first and went to Jersey left Vier went to Jersey Joe to see all of that,

And that opened the door. Teddy came down. He came down, and that opened the door for for my brother and Chad to connect well before again well before I was right, So the wait, But how much did that conversation you guys have set the foundation or momentum for when you started working on the music. Um, it was. It was totally the foundation. It was everything. It was like once he said that one thing, one thing I said about even working with him and Yea during this process was

I was gonna listen, like I was gonna follow direction. Um. I came into this game always knowing how much production, the marriage between the lyrics and production made, you know what I'm saying, made the magic. I never thought I wrapped so good that you know, I could just wrap over anything. All of my favorites got a very bad album somewhere because they think they can just rap over anything, you know what I'm saying. And I always peep there, you know, and and and I was like okay, and

I always understood that. I always understood that. And and the biggest thing for me was to make this better than Daytona. Like I was like, man, how can I make uh? But yeah, you know that, My biggest thing was to make it better than Daytona. And um but I was like, man, I'm gonna I'm gonna have to like just listen to them and see. Like I really wanted to be produced because I felt like that was one thing about Daytona. I just rapped. I just rapped over.

We was fast tracking it. It was going. I was, I was gonna. I stayed in there with you so I could get the hardest beats when everybody else would leave and whatever. I was like, nah or just so he wouldn't steal him for himself. I stayed and I took him and I was like, you know after that, you know, he was working on five albums at that particular time. Music everybody Tiana kids. He was right, which, we'll never get another one. We'll never get another one

per per cutting. So I like me too. So um so I was fast tracking and you know, just writing boom woman, trying to get it done and I and I didn't feel like I was produced. So I said, you know what, I know, I know at least that's one bar I can check off. Yes, So I was like, man, I know that's one bar I could check off if I just let them produce me while we got this time. Ain't nobody rushing, it's the pandemic, ain't nothing going on. So you know, that was the first That was the

first thing. So I said, man, I'm gonna listen, and you know, and Farrell. Farrell made it very clear. He was like, listen, man, if we're gonna do this, we're gonna we're gonna do flows, We're gonna do cadences. I'm gonna make sure that hooks is sticky. I'm gonna make sure that the B courses and stick I kind of feel like you like resemblance sle Greg everything we need to be addressed. Was that done on purpose? Yeah? That

was the hardest record. That was the hardest record. So the record, the record was written right, I executed it bom womb, like you know what I'm saying. Farrell, come in here it and he's like, man, that ship ain't He's like that, you're still rapping meds. You ain't embodying nothing. You ain't gonna I'm like, now, mind you. By the time I even tell him to come in and listen, it's because I'm married. I'm happy, I'm good. I'm like,

I'm married to what I've been done. You're proud. He come and tear a whole man, He tell a whole chalkboard off the wall. No, it's not it. You ain't. You ain't enough of a character. You ain't enough of a character. And by this time, this is when we sort of started the exercise of like we will play the Joker every day because well, the first we're just

watching it. He was like, man, you know you're talking about characterist and that then he gets into like yeah, so we're like yo, were like um, He's like, man, you know, uh, you need to um you need to be more on character. Man. He's like, man, this is you. Look at you. You you laugh just like them You you laughing. J ain'ts supposed to laugh at you. You got you got doc tendencies about yourself. You just you know, you start fatiguing me. So I'm like all right, you

know whatever. So we're just watching it every day, watching every day, and then he started making beats and then he would mute it and be like, man, this is the ill scene. Look at this ill scene, Like this sounds like this, this sounds supposed to go to this and you see homeboy running down the steps or doing whatever he's doing, you know, doing something, so um, you know, with that being the case, he was like, man, I

don't want I don't want you rapping. I want you to you know, like really, embody it, like you know that's why that that's why that song sounds. So I'm saying all the evil ship I would say, but I'm talking a matter of fact. You like Buffalo Shrimp from My Hey, Moss Coke deals up stays at the Round Mother the Ocean from Hotels was popular, and crack was cemented for nomena. I like the presidential was on my own, you know that, just like you know, just talking like

you know. But he made me like bro that took forever. I felt like I was an R and B singer because he made me like, like, yo, no, you still you you know I'm still He's like, nah, I don't not. It's not is that a hit to your ego? Like how much of your ego takes a hit when he's telling you this is my brother. I mean, I don't, you know, like my ego, don't my ego don't even

kick in with him. As far as that goes, it's the difference in what we appreciate because it's still at the end of the day, a high six teen is like a top ten record to me. If any got motherfucking twenty four mean bars and I come across it,

I'm I'm floyed, but I'm gonna know it. I memorize it, you know what I'm saying, Like that's something that like, that's something that I can hear in the street and I can feel in the street and something you know, things are gonna talk about it, the bather, shopping, so on and sofa like all of that energy is what fuels me. And it was just it was bothersome to know that that ain't really fuel him like it used to feel him like it used to feel us together.

That was my issue. More so, I believe that's a beautiful thing. One thing about the album that you said that I did disagree. You said you thought your fans wish your fans was more like Jay Cole's right, And I think you said because then lying after that because the Dope Boys was Dope Boys gotta be the man like they know double one times are shortly load. They know I'm the man. I'm the man. But I want to disagree with you. The reason why let me just

tell you why. I'm gonna tell you why. I'll tell you what I go through because I don't think they actually when it comes to whenever when person says push you and they say Kendrick and they say Jay and they say cold, I don't think they say push your is it? But he's dope wrapper cocaine wraps, and Kendrick is. I think that you're all in that lyrical and that

all I don't think. I don't think you're you're, you're, you're, you're, You're categorized as a cocaine don't wrapper or cocaine don't wrapper, and Kendrick is a backpack dope wrapper and Jay Cole is a dread wearing dope wrapper. I don't think it's categorized like that. I think it's categorized as lyricism. And and in the cage of lyricism, you and J Cole

as the same fans. And that made me true. I mean, we toured together, so we talk together, and and that that that line came from just referencing said something like Jay lyrically he wish he would be and I kind of felt that that was what you was going to

see see with me. It was like when I was saying that, I was just speaking to the fact that man, you know, I've been on tour with J Cole and when I when I when I was out there and I would like I would go out there of course do my set, watch his set, um, maybe even go to the after party or whatever they you know what I'm saying, his crew, whatever the case may be. But it was the energy around him was just like it was all it was all praise and like man, they

just happy that. It just felt like a college energy and just people are just happy to be around them and happy to see him. Um, I forgot shift. What year was that? Sure? He on the phone? Um yeah yeah. But but but I was liking in it too when I go out and like when I do the after parties and so on and so forth, it's a it's a it kind of gets a dangerous thing and it's like you know you you you got those who love you on something like yo, yo, I'll rock with what

you're doing. Then it's always the yeah, you know, I killing you know what. It's a different energy, and then it turns into you know that, get a little dicey and get a little you know, I gotta turn into this, And it was just it was just tapping on another another instance of call my bluff because even that person can get it, Like I'm just like bro, that's where

my mindset was. But that mindset is like, that's a real thing for me in real and real time outside, like you run across that energy with what it is that I do, whereas what what what what what Jake Cole does. It's like, man, it's like it's just a different It's it's cool and it's lax, and and his fans are just like he'll be riding bikes to the city. But you know what I'm saying, he definitely but still like Bob Molly is like like the hip hop and

I love listen, I love my fans. I'm not you know, I'm not trying to uh, you know, talk down on them at all, but I'm just saying there's a difference in Okay, the rest said watch what you say you attracted. So that's a lot of coboys going to your joints, listen, little down church, you to cheeny the car phones. You know.

I'm like, that is that what happens to you? Yeah, but that it's not that, it's just you know, you know, you know before like you know well, and I'm saying I think is sonically like lyricism sonically, it's it's all on the same. For sure. You're saying it's the content is attracting different energy, like the specific content that you're addressing, not totally you are right, yeah, but um, it's like I think they repeat this question to you all the time,

this question to jay Z all the time. They repeat this questions the Jada kiss all the time, and it's like, as much as you've grown, it's still that you know, this is where I come from type of you know, hustle rap. It's it's the cocaine references. And you know, how is that throughout these years, like is this is this this question always gonna come up or they understand that it's a reference. Man, I don't mind the question because I don't mind answering it. You know what I'm saying.

It's like I've been saying as of late, I'm trying to be the Martin Scorsese of of street rap, you know what I'm saying, Like I want out, Like y'all don't ask Martin Scorsese to make Going with the Wind, you know, you want him to make a gang conflict with guns, mob killers, boom, and we all run to the movie every time, we all doing whatever we're doing to see it, talking about it and loving it. For

a lifetime. That's what happens. So it's like, you know, for me, I look at myself like that, you know what I'm saying, And it's like, man, this is like, bro, this this is wrap that I know. I mean, how I look at rap, man, Rap started in the street. It started in It started from poverty and started it started from despair. It started from just coming outside talking about your environment, bro. Like, I don't understand why it's

an issue. I don't even understand why people talk about like, you know what I'm saying, what what my content is versus what somebody else content is. It's like, no, we want to like this is and and at this point I've been in this twenty years, Like I'm like, man, I'm here to entertain a certain sector of people. I'm not going out to like I'm not reaching out trying to get new people and so on and so forth, like and and I don't believe that it's just if

you're surface level listeners all cocaine service level. And I don't think I'll write for surface level listeners. I write for people who'll be like you overwind that back people to say, I'll be winding a couple of times. Yes, So let's le let's talk about the album. I want to break down song from song at some point, but before we get deep straight into the album. Yeah, I want to ask something. Well, I've heard you on the Breakfast Club answer this. Um. Also, I believe I'm not

sure if you did ebro and them. You did ebro on them right yesterday. Okay, I don't know if I've seen it yet. Okay, but I've seen a couple of interviews where this Jack Harlow song, Yeah, it's brought up. Yeah, I'm gonna be honest, push what's up? Because you like you like the only Donalds like this man has no other losses anywhird? This man is the Michael Elvis. Okay,

I don't even know if that's a person. You made that one, you know, I made it that this man and he says revenge is it's not even a coachable even though this verse could be old right, revenge. I gotta get him back for that whatever he's I'm you know, I paraphrasing on Jack all Dry the body trying to kill Jack, and it sounded like he was trying to kill Jack coming for you. Yeah, what does push your teeth say, even though it's old, it might be old. No, no, listen,

I don't. I mean, bro, like okay, it's it's sounds when I say old. It sounded old old to me, like just the flows, the raps, like it just wasn't it wasn't what it is that I think four years later after what I did, that's not that wasn't like that. I mean like that didn't even phase me. But you don't think because of the even though, like you said, it sounds old, but the content of it was, Like I ain't forgetting it. I'm coming from I don't care.

I don't care what they forget, Like I don't care, like bro, like for real, like I'm just I mean just being totally totally honest. I don't give a fuck. And I think they know it, like they know it. All parties know it. Yeah, you know it. He know. Like I'm not playing with anybody. I'm not because you

did not show up with the concert. No, no, we know he asked me to because because you know what, because and it's not it was it was it's simply because like it's at this point, none of it is a game to me, like none of it and I'm like I'm doing my best to just you know, let bygones be bygones. I'm chilling. I'm good. I mean, look like, listen to me, listen to my album Untouchable. You know

what I'm saying. But you know, man, you know I look at all of that is um and all of that energy as still showing the effects of what it is that I've done, real, real, for real, because because really I don't, I don't even think about it. I don't. And there's no bars on this album. I was looking for that too. I was looking for this. My momm is flawless without it, right, that's crazy. Anybody else would have jumped on and not not me because I ain't

really playing like I'm really not. So everybody understands that's it. Okay, So let me ask has Jake Prince ever weeks out to you? Like how I spoke to j Prince numerous times? Man, so so not about him? Okay, don't know, nobody talk to me about him him? Because I also heard you say you don't want to record with UM. I don't want to be I'm gonna be honest, I don't want it. Let's just not even I don't I want to record. I don't. I don't. I don't want it. I'm cool.

I'm cool without it. You don't want none, none, no, photo, I'm cool. Photo want to say, No, you don't play hockey with him, Canada, none of it. I'm cool like I ain't playing. I'm gonna just go ahead and do what I do. Put y'all that peace. I'm at peace. So if right now you're hosting Saturday Night Live, that was a wrong choice you hosted. You can't host that. I've been saying, I don't know how that came out of. You want this part of the club, right, they say,

there's one of the artists walking in here. They wanted the other side of the club, right right next to there they come. You see who it is. It's push to leaven. No, but you're not. I'm never not stilling in your hands. No, I don't want to listen. I want nothing. I want I don't if as a person who let's just let's just look at the face value. Yeah, let's say everyone who actually said that, you guys sparred

right that you guys want to add it. Everybody says you want right, most most of people who are lyrical content especially after his meek male Thebacco. Most people say that you want, so then why are you not willing to say? You know what it was? I felt attacked because things that I don't speak on and things that I won't speak on have happened since right that I'm I just ain't wanna speak on it, but I ain't playing,

so for me, it ain't even about you know. I feel like if it was just a rap thing and it was what it was, you know that was cool. You think that they went too far when they mentioned your lady name or where was it the point where it was like this is it? Like? Oh no? You know? I mean I don't. I don't really talk about it, but I'm just saying, like, you know, I feel like, you know there were um, you know, I've been to Canada before. I can't I'm banned from Canada because I'm

I'm banned from Canada, Like I can't get back. I can't get back over there, right really, yeah, I ain't allowed to be go back over That's why. But because what I think is when where they think that you went too far? I don't care. I don't care they're too far. I don't play like that. That's how you don't play with me, right right right, that's why you don't play with me. There is no too far. It's not anything alone. It leaves me be, leave me be because there's no too far. That's how it goes. But

that's the thing. No, no, no, they won't play. That's the thing you felt like you went to I never go to far. There's too far. There's no too far. Absolutely promise you. Did you ever feel like I never felt nothing. And anybody who ever told me that I was I went too far. I never spoke to me like, okay, because let's be visited. Let's just be visited. How everyone thinks this started was it started from the M to me too, I don't know. I don't even know at

this point. No, no, for for real, for me, and this that's what me from the outside of looking at that's an insider, that's an outside of it. Though. For me, when you go all the way back to all of that, I remember just a very dark time for me just musically, um, not having you know, being and uh what you call it, um like a label drama or whatever and um and I remember I mean when you go back and mr me too, you're talking about the Wayne thing, and that's

what it was. It trickle down. But yeah, because I mean there was like some Vibe issue where he was, you know, we was, you know, we're just I think we're just done. Um what's up on? What happened to that boy or something? You know, maybe a little bit yeah, burning on later on down the line, people were telling Wayne he was, you know, trying to talk dope like the clips or drugs and and and he wore babe like the clips. I never said that, you know what

I'm saying. And I think just at this particular time, it was a rough time for us because we was going through label drama whatever you remember that, like the four year hiatus and and so then there was a there was a Vibe article where he you know, just spoke to that. But he just spoke about us in a very um yeah, like a down you know, like

down talking. And I'm like, damn, we already going through were going through and you know, you're not even bright enough for smart enough at the you know, at the time, like I ain't. I ain't got no problem with Wayne. I mean, just so we clear, I ain't. You know. It's so Wayne is that same artist at that club. You're gonna gonna you might not necessarily, but I it's cool, like it, it's cool, but it's no problem. But I just you know, you never know, you just know how

it is. But you know. So that's what for me back then, what you know what started? Um, I feel like everything else was just you know, as of late, it was a lot of like just the Kanye drama because next to it, depending in me, would have been like what you doing this concert for? Was the name of the concert? I don't remember, Yeah, but like what you doing this concert for? We went to ball depending but you know, at the same time, you gotta I reckon.

I know how to compartmentalize everything. That's that's my gift. J got together. It was needed for hip hop. Do you think that? No, I don't even think they make good music together. That's the wildest part. Like, ain't even like a hot record? Name it glow what? What glowing up? When? Come on? Why? I gotta google it? Come on? So it's not like for real for me, just them doing what they did, I felt like that was good for them because it was hard. Listen. I thought Kanye looked amazing.

One like he looked. I mean because the Scotty just showed you know, our artist with the E you know what I'm saying, like next level? What what that? Whatever? Is that like? But with that being said, like you know, I don't damn, I forgot where I was at. You said you thought Kanye looked good, but oh yeah, I thought, you know, I think that was good for them, Like I think that was yeah, Like I you know, and I don't you know, I don't ever put no type

of pressures nowhere. I don't you know, I'll stay out of the situation because they playing, they're playing, they play an industry game. I think Kanye said he's on a professional level and that's and that's cool and that's great and that's like you know, I feel like I feel like that's gonna work for for them and what it is that they do what you no, I'm cool. I'm just I'm just over here, bro. I know exactly what

my lane is. I know exactly what I'm doing. I know exactly who I want to be with, who I want to make records with. I know what I'm not doing. I know what damages my brand what doesn't. And there's absolutely no value in that for me because immediately when we heard that can wrist on uh and then hold set a blue bird money. They go again, Oh no, I didn't want that. No no no, no, no no no no no no no no no no no no

no no no no I blue bird money. Y'all talking Twitter feed feed bird you know bird food is you know they called the feed. But but you got me, That's what I'm just saying like that. But that was the first Yeah, but it was just I knew that was but I just knew it was not understanding. I was into all the gossip. Noo, he's the other fans at frequency that really brought into it until what's my man name, young g Yeah, actually went on. It was

like guys, I mean that's when I knew. That's when I knew it was like it probably got too loud when I saw Guru say something, cause I'm like, I've seen it, but I'm like, whatever, ain't that's gonna blow over. But it wasn't real because it's kind of like, just think about the people that you have beef with and you survived Little Way Birdman and Drake and you have no like scars. For me, it's none, none, but it's all up. It's all up. There's no with me. I

have no issues man, And you're bad from Canada. I thought you was just saying that. Oh no, no, no, I'm serious and this is this I did you know? How did you know he was bad? My my, my manage over here told me what happened. Well, I mean, I'm not gonna get into that, but down Trump asked him do nothing because Trump, and um, yeah, what what you said? Trump? You're talking about you can put it in here. What are you talking about? So you said, let's just be clear. You're saying you went to what

is called customs. They you turn down, turn out, I can turn out of the border. Oh so you filled out for your visa and they yes, what did you do in cant I didn't do nothing. I went to my show. You know it was rolling people at this show perform that song. I performed. No, I didn't. I didn't even get and I got on and I got on my way. You know, it was cool. That's playing a different game. You get a nicke a bath from the country. That's a little next level. That's a little

bit that's a little different. On this listen, that's a little different. I ain't gonna I could do it. I would do it too, though, you would definitely do that. Definitely sold off show, Jesus. So in no world, we're never gonna squash this. Hopefully in one world. No, I don't. There's nothing for me to squash. I've done it all, it's done. I'm done. Yeah, I'm finished. I'm cool. Yes, that's nothing for me to do. That's a beautiful thing, man,

because gratulate that's positive. Really you guys the flowers, hey, man, uh, we don't know if you know. Our show was about giving people they flower and we one million percent want to give you your flowers to your face. How great you are, how you standing up the time. Man, I've seen how you came and for you to still be at the level of relevancy, for people to still for you to make an album the way you may and not like I said, because I'm your friend, because I'm

I feel like a family member. Especially we all under the thing Snoop said, Well, he said, we're all under the dray tree, and we're all under the neptune tree, under the rape away leave a Bark or even the fucking route. We're all part of the tree. And so I can't tell you how much I'm proud of you. I can't tell you how much I'm proud of your brother. Every time I see you, every time i've seen him for the last couple of years, I've been always drunk

and he's always prayed over me. It's been the weirdest. That's right. The apoint he's come in here, he'd be crowding you right now. We're in the middle, and I just want to tell y'all, yo, man's for standards as of time. The way you have and the way you are still enjoying this game is still being a bar lord. And I can't even find a whack ball. I've been looking like Dean slip here. He didn't slip it and you haven't. And I just want to say that is abnormal.

That is not a normal thing. And slute you, my brother, Thank you. We want to yes, yes literally literally gave yourself fly, So man, that is crazy. Before we're gonna create time and slip, I just want to go through this playlist all Stewart, go to go hit number one before me. It's in your group chat fun black it ristone. Uh Well, Brambleton Okay, yeah, that's one. Yeah, okay, let's talk about that sets off the album? Yeah. Um, well, first,

you know, Brambleton Um set off the album. You know, strategically I put that there because Big started Life after Death with his story and I always felt like, man, you know, I've never first of all, I never do many stories. And then I was like, man, I actually got one, and I felt like it was strong enough to just just set the tone. You know what I'm saying. Um, Brambleton Avenue is as a place in um Norfolk, Virginia. UM youth coming up. My mom worked on it, you

know what I'm saying. You could you know, I could go see her young you know, young kid going to see her. I can see sweepe w across the street in a project called Young's Park, and you know, just outside, you know, being great, whatever the case may be. Um, you know, Uh, the song itself, the song itself was just for me, just describing a relationship, you know, describing a relationship I had in the street. My former manager. He was on Glad not too long ago. Oh is

that the same person that you made the snitch? Uh? You know, I feel like the Snitch record. I feel like the Snitch record was like an amy, but it was just like a lot. I feel like the Snitch acronym.

I mean, the Snitch record itself was just like a All the just instances and ship that was going on this record, particularly right here, was like yo, Like after seeing after seeing the interview, I was like, damn, Like that's you know you described you described he was on TV talking about what because she was on Glad TV and he spoke about how like he said, um, I believe one of the quotes was of everything was about him, like you know, the raps were about him and uh

and what else was it? It was? It was just a couple of different things that I was like, damn, man, Like you know, I never I never I would see somebody that I've been you know, so you know, down with or whatever entrenched in like all types of ship, never down talk or try to downplay me like I never I would not like wherever we're stand right now, I would never do it. I've never done it, you

know what I'm saying. And I just didn't, you know, so I took the time that I was just you know, I was telling for all about the whole situation or whatever. He was like, man, that's the song right there. He's like, that's a song. And you know, I was like, you know, I just wanted to give like a real context to what my view of our relationship and what it was.

Then you know what, I'm like, just what our relationship was, what it was in the streets, and and I wanted to make that record because I feel like it was a it was it speaks to loyalty, like it speaks to loyalty and being loyal and and and understanding the idea of team like back then, and and and and you know, just when all the street ship was going on, and I always looked at it as a team, all

of us was a team. Now you may have this much, I could have this much, They could have this much, but all of it and everybody was working to for the betterment of everybody, and everybody had a role. That was the thing. Never looked at, you know, never been envious. Never, That's just my whole ship. I ain't never been envious. And nobody musically, none of that. That's just not me. Um. I always know how important my role is to whatever situation it is, Like, you know, even being a good music.

I don't sell the most records. I ain't never been you know, I don't sell the most record more than anybody else who's been over there whatever. Always Still you know, I'm me, like, I know what I bring to the table, um, and you know, I just that song was just for for for the guys who honestly are in these positions and in these roles and are doing anything and you think that you you know, you think that, y'all. You know you're you're you're focused, and you're determined on what

it is that you're doing. You're getting your money, your man getting his money, bla blah, and you're thinking his teamwork and and and in their mind they call it. You know, you're working for them. And you know, ultimately, as soon as the roles change or whatever the case may be, you see who gets to you see people true colors. Unfortunately, Yeah, yeah, heavy song, heavy song. I didn't know that. Listening to that just ain't gonna my head now because again I wasn't listening to it for that.

I was listening to it. Yeah, I was just listening to totally. I'm just looking at the art and I'm like, it's no way that Scott can still be this good. Like I like, I'm sorry I was down because I wasn't downing you'd like to doubt you, but I was like, it's no way because it's just a level of success. But you know, we we are the error that is going to be able to take We're we're we are the error that is going to be able to see

if hip hop can be progressive as it ages. Like you know what I'm saying, like this is the time where it figures itself, act, go to real distance, you know, get on our YouTube, rolling stones whatever. I think like the four four fourth album kind of helped that. I don't know, yeah, but but that even still that was the hope is one that he's before our error. He's wonder for us. Yeah, so you need to like, and I'm talking about for the genre to look like it

can do. What to do? He dispeccially and he called

on early. But we are the class that is gonna be myself ya you know everybody, you know, everybody within this time frame, it's gonna be the one to show how far this ship can go a real so so so it's not I don't think it's that crazy like you know, being you know, still competing, like because we were still competitive, like you said, we're still young, we are like and when that comes the spirit of competition and creativity has no age limits, right sure, And however

you tap into it if it's being competitive, some people do it differently, you know, just to tap into that creativity. For sure. I saw number two. Let the smokers shot the coop. Let the smoker shot the coops. Man. That was that was me asking for real to give me his best best glaciers of ice type beat he could he could ever make. Um, you know? That was that was that Actually that that record actually came from Hit

Factory again at six in the morning. But we was at hit Factory because you know at Miami, Miami Hit Factory, and we were like, um, you know, we have been working out the house for a little while and I felt like he just wanted a different changes scenery, like you know, sort of exhausted the energy there and we started going to Hit Factory earlier. Baby, don't working out hit Factory to I ain't seen nobody that is not even being funny actually, but you know, but just you know,

just just working um again. And it was it was you know, it was a it was a thing for me, you know, being being an actual being, an actual student. Um with the flow, you know what I'm saying, Like no, you can't you know, right and right and right and and like ah no, I ain't know where the cadence at,

where the bounce you know what I'm saying. And then yeah, like you know it might be an initial initial four bars here like yeah, but it ain't no bounce there and ain't sticky to the ain't sticky to the track? Is it just y'all two in the studio together? Probably yeah, this day, this particularly, I don't know if Chat made it yet. I don't know if Chat he he did, he did. I think he did a little co producing on some stuff too as well. Okay, um dreaming dreaming,

dreaming of the past, dreaming in the past. Um man, I actually stole that one because, um, let's talk about the theft. Yeah, because because you know, a lot of times me and you work on album simultaneously. So he got a folder, I got a folder. You know. Hell he picked all the beats and be like okay, that's

your folder, that's my folder. And from other producers. Um, some his and yeah, and just you know, just a hard driver that he has of just joints and he'll he'll he'll pick stuff that he thinks is a good enough skeleton and for me to rhyme to. He he accidentally, I think, played hit that beat and I was like, oh, that's crazy, like let me let me get that, and he's like, no, I love it. You know it's mine, this is and that, and I kept asking for it.

So ultimately he um, I noticed he still hadn't wrote the song yet, and I was like, damn, man, you don't like the song. Let me get the song. And he finally let me get it, and I was just like, listen, why don't you why don't you just put like, you know, eight bars on the end of it or you know what I'm saying. Like that way I could lock in the song. If he knew he was on it, then then I could get it. So that's that's what we did,

and then it became your yea. I first recorded it with the attentions going on no no, no, I didn't even know. I like once I once I got it, Once I got it and put the verses on it. He Um he heard it was like man, I can't be on that. And I was like, no, you can't. Like what's up, just get yours off? And I gave him the comparison of Big Big coming in for like three bars on Little Kim Queen Bitch, and I was like, I was like, bro, everything you do don't gotta be

heavy lifting. You already produced to be Why you gotta have it? Ain't all that like. And I feel like that's why the record wasn't written in the first place. It was you know, it was heavy. You know, you gotta go in on that joint. He probably taking his time whatever. I'm like, broa give it to me. Get yours off. You can get yours off in four bars now before we go, because I want to go right back into the album. But before we get into that. Who was you at when you see ye say Shaw

was the worst thing he's up? Side down? Was? I think I was at the crib? Yeah, I think at the crib um. Yeah. I mean, but I mean, you know, you know, I feel like, um, they'll be having they'll be having a little they their issues, bro, Like you know, you know, listen, man, you can have issues with you man, people people. You know, he he's a different different back and forth, you know what I'm saying. So they was having their issues and I guess he felt, you know,

they need to get it off. And we don't see him that often, you know, doing like you you got you got the interview hit me to but yeah, you know, um and I feel like, um, you know, he probably was just getting whatever whatever he felt off his chest. But they they they be having a little back and force as well. And then it was it wasn't a call did you got for Big Sean after that direct or? No? Um, then you got to see him back on drink big No. No, I didn't get no call. I didn't. I don't think

I got a call. Um, Damn I did. I know I did, I didn't. I mean I didn't discuss it. I wouldn't discuss it, man, Like that's that's their ship. Man. You know why I say that because other than you be what you know over y'all, I feel like you're the most level minded. I'm for sure the most level mind. Like, let's just be sure the most the other guy, I'm

very much everyone, I'm fair level level minded. I don't you know, I don't meddle stay I'm never gonna be on another record, said Cutty, please just clear this strong. Please cut I know, I know, I know you because Cutty, you know, Cutty's like Cutty my brother. Like Cutty's like, man, he really gonna stand on what it is that he you know what I'm saying, whatever, whatever it is that he had an issue with, he gonna staying on that.

So man, you don't even know, like he was the last person cleared on the album, Like you know what I'm saying, Like, so you know, you're getting down to the wire, You're getting like because he was holding right like you know, I'm in the studio. I'm in the studio doing like radio drops and he called me and I'm like, bro, please, I know, I know, but just you know, why why did you know? Because the label I told you that he was Yeah, so I you know,

I heard. I heard. After a while, like when I'm you know, I'm just wondering, like, you know, what's the you know, what's the progress with the album as far as turning it in and handed in because the music have been done. So I'm like I'm trying to figure out what's the days gonna be, you know, just and I can't get these answers and nobody's saying nothing for a long time. Everybody just being now, you know, we're

just getting it together. And then it finally got to come out there it was cutting, and I was like, damn. So he ended up calling me and you know, just just telling me like you know, um, just telling me how he felt and telling me he was he's gonna clear it and you know, it's never nothing about me, and you know, but he was like, yo, this this the last one with me. I heard you had hired a video director and everything. I hired a video director.

I've seen the video director the other night. Seeing him the other night, told me, uh, you know, told me how they got had the treatment together me me, and you picked this predicted particular dude, you know, and he was like no, no, no, he was like you know, and everything just blew up. I was like, yeah, and I don't know if we're ever gonna do it. So you got to hear the information prior to it being public.

What's that that that? Yeah? Last? Ye? So he actually called you and then send the tweet out that like I never I know, man, that's the you know, cutting fans is rabid, like they are rabbid as soon as he does something, say something and go crazy. I'm gonna tell you. I'm gonna tell you all. Uh, I'm gonna tell you, um something that Cutty differ for me that a lot of people don't know. I was just like in this weird space, right, and um, I think I was.

I was on tour with the group called Mastercraft, remember that, remember recorded that joining at our studio Mastercraft, and they were like a Canadian like d M Man and they wanted me to do it. So I was in this like weird world and I would just go and just did tonight show like a whole bunch of these what work. It was like a little crazy year of my life, right.

But I wasn't going to like hip hop clubs and I wasn't definitely wasn't going to like real world hip hop clubs and cut I think I forget how cutting out in contact with me or how we even spoke and he said you'll come to my show tonight, and I was like, I was like for what, Like in my mind I said for what, I didn't think what to them, but I was like, how I identified with your audience. I'm this guy that's over here doing this different type of music at this point, like where did

this correlate? And he brought me out and then he had me do all these neptune records. I don't know if you remember that. And he was like, well is God in our world? And you brought God? So your

God in our world? And I had never thought up like that in this Hi the crownd with me doing like courting fucking purgatory and hip hop purgatory and that this hits the crowd that for real and kind of like made this whole audience and I can still be who I am, and and and and Kid Cutty was the first person to show me that your brother, you your God in this audience because we we we looked at the audience like we're those people were bonzoes ourselves.

He was like all those guys, you know, they were backpacks and you know they do cocaine in the bathroom. Is different, differ different, you know, you know, but not realize audience is okay, okay, the record Neck and Wrist don't live now. First off, let's just be clear. You're using drug dealers anonymous. Yeah, you're using this So this is favorite dose. Yeah, it's not favorite, right, Yeah, hey, man, here's my ship. This is his favorite number two. They

just don't get a little favorites from the guard. Man. It's the man as y'all making the record. You're saying, we're calling the guard as you're making the record or you. As soon as I lay diverse. As soon as I lay diverse, the hook is there. I was like listening for Mattes so he has a space. A matter of fact, though, it was like the bridge everything, and I was like, just leave him open space. And man, I just emailed

it to him. See me personally, the name of the record would have scared me to send it to him, because you know, neck and Risk don't lie. Yeah, I've when I had drinks with him one time he had on just the light three point five not a stone inside it was it was believe it's a paddock um uh factory. Though they called it the poplo Escobar or something like this. I didn't even want to ask point five day. That was the that was the That's the only reason I call him though, honestly, I mean about

music when it comes to music. When it comes to music, because I wrote a second verse for it, it just didn't hit like I wanted it to hit so um and I only reached like I said, I own. They reach out to him musically when I feel like the song needs an uptick, like to take it to the next level. And we got Jupiter, yeah for sure. And I mean neck and wrisk don't lie. I knew. I know that he's gonna say twelve things that I can't say.

You know what I'm saying, Like I could. There's other artists who could have been on it, but they're not gonna They're not gonna say too much. Yeah, yeah, we got different sobs to like I was done. I was done, like I needed all. I was done. But yeah, so I just reach out to him. I reach out to him, you know when I feel about Spade for you just in case, you know, to celebrate your album. You know

what I mean? Yeah, you know, yeah, you know. I reach out when I when I feel like he can add something to the add something to the song that I just can't do. And and it was dope because you've got the guys got the premiere on our Heart every hour on the hour. So the person didn't like y'all, they got, they got to not like your more because every hour on. I mean explain that to an artist,

you gonna be right back into the album. But is that like a plus when you could be able to just go straight out of the gate and get it on on on the radio because of you know, who you are and the person you have on it. Yeah, I mean, you know, I think that. Um. I think that. Um. You know, when when you can when you can get a record on radio and and people and it gets

that head start, that jump start. Um, you usually do that in trying to make sure that that record is gonna go like really you know, try to chart some on and so forth, and you still feel that radio has that impact day. Yeah, I think so. I think so. I think I think um, I think radio is very important. Um. I think for what it is that we do, man, we need to check off every box what I'm saying, Yeah, for sure, for sure, like we need to check off

every box. And that was that was something that like just out of respect of who it was on the song. I'm like, I'm really fighting like nah, at the end of the day, I want people to get a song it needs that look, I mean, the profile of the of the artist on it, the features, you know, him and Forelis is too high for not to get that. Look, I don't necessarily make radio records, you know what I'm saying. But then the video, it's gonna be like a headache the video. We we we're not gonna do a video,

you know what's crazy video? You know what's crazy which people would appreciate if you was to do a video where you're not even in there. Oh no, we we we will do something like that. But I'm saying, I'm you know, for people thinking we're gonna shoot like hovers coming to sit on a set video, It's not happening. It's not happening. Yeah, which I mean me, I would have shot it in his house, you know, just so

he didn't have to. But nah, but you know, end of the day, man, I think that I think that record had the impact and it and it talked to our core, my core and his core. I think they're the same. Yeah. Yeah, so let's move on to the next record just so you remember, Yeah, just so you remember who you're dealing with. That's uh, that's the rap moment on the album to me, like the heavy rat moment, uh stripped down beat and you know, it's one of my favorite records, but it stayed in more of that

mixtape lane. You know, M just barring out, barring out. I don't even know how how many how many lines it is, but it's a lot. Okay, let's go to the next record, Diet Coke, Diet Coke. Here's the question I asked about this. What did y'all call Joey Crack? And before this, no, we just sampled him. He got to hear it with us, like, um, like damn, you know what somebody might have told him, Okay maybe yeah, but we dropped as a single, so you gotta clear it.

So yeah, so probably in the clearance process he he knew, but yeah, but yeah, the record was done and he was like, nah, you gotta put Joe Crack. In fact, Joe on the front of that though Yesterday's prey. Yeah yeah, he was like, I gotta start like that. That's that's to me, is is Jay's biggest um you know his um Yeah, that's where his genius comes from. His instincts.

Like it's fast, Like you know what I'm saying, Like when when whenever he's in the moment and his musically and his instincts kick in, You're definitely gonna get a gem out of like what it is that that he's trying to make or create for you for him who said black and white video and he's gonna dance like that's the whole, the whole thing. He saw the whole He saw the listen to listen, change my outfit. I didn't have on the leather he wanted me to have

on the leather I had on like some type of veg. Nah, you need the leather to Craig mac big pocket. You know you got to have it. But but yeah, like he um, he saw the whole vision for that. And once the record was done, the video was shot the next day. So he was like, no, y'all get in here, y'all go, you to find a space, go do it. And I don't know eight nine was on set. This is definitely m budget. Yeah your face, yeah, just now, okay, hold on, where were you want to ask this one?

Rock and roll? Rock and roll heard it's a perfect day, perfect day. Everybody was there, smoked up. I just do that out there, ain't I don't know that pot. Everyone was cutty, justself robbed in the studio. Ja, it's already, this is already down. This is a perfect day, perfect record. Yeah, um, you know, um, just really good day. Um. Yeah. Yeah. He just was like he got on the NPC and start chopping the Beyonce one plus one sample and you know, like you said, Cutty came through. Um, the only thing

he couldn't find. Yeah, but the only thing you couldn't find on that day, um was the drums. And so you know it takes me a second just to write anyway. So um, you know, by the time he was like, Yo, sending this to Farrell, let him put his drums on it. So that's the only record they worked on collaborating. That's the only record it was because of that, because he

couldn't figure out the drums. Yeah, I mean, he just he just didn't have like I remember just going through drums and none of it was hitting to his liking. None of it was hitting to his liking. And he was like, Yo, send this to send this to p like,

tell him put his drums on it. Because had he not figured had he figured out the drums, it might have been a collaborative record, right right, It wasn't you know, it wasn't supposed to be Like he he'd be in the moment lack of a better term for back then, it was supposed to be like a side B side, right, was it? That's supposed to be to be Okay, for sure,

that's good for this this next record. I feel like, and let's be so we're not getting the kid cutting and Kanye video, and if we do get it, it's could be in separate rooms because that can still I would like, I mean, listen to performing really well, so I think we should. I mean I talked to I talked to Cutty yesterday and just was like telling them how how crazy this song is doing. He's like, no, you know, I know I love that record. This isn't

that so master to this time? You know what? Yeah? Yeah, I think I think I think should do it. They don't have to be in the same we've we've done it, We've done this. They don't gotta be yeah cool, let's go to the next one. For some reason, I feel like this is one of your top three or the album Call my Bluff, Yeah, call my bluff, Just call

my bluff for sure is top three for me. Um simply because it was it was work, it was real work, and again it was like you know again me taking direction and like you know, really hopping in the character and really just trying to execute, um, execute what it is that P wanted me to, you know what what he feels is gonna level me up musically. Um man. You know, the the whole idea of the record um

came from. I thought I was gonna have an issue with somebody, right, and I was telling, I was telling for real about it, and my man had called me, was like, oh, you know, you know I heard it about you know it might be something blas blah blah. He was like, well, you know, his girl be trying to fuck me all the time. And he was like he was like yeah, she'd be in my DMO room. Like he was like yeah all the time. He said, So I'm a sucker, he's I'm a taper. He said,

we don't have fun with it. We can't have fun, like we canna have fun with this whole ship because he was kill him right. And then he was like and you know, and and and if you go crazy, but if if you get crazy or whatever. He sent me to addresses. He was like, you know, it can go ever I thought about it. I'm thinking to myself, like I'm not even on it, like like I'm not, I ain't even tripping like that. But I knew it myself, like, yo,

if I even entertain this. I was excited about it the first and then I was like, if I entertained it, this is a false that I can't really turn off because he's not gonna play at all. So um, needless to say, I told I was telling pe about it, and that's where the the nonchalant and I can get it done. I can't have that, can have it happened that joker energy, nonchalant. You know what I'm saying, it's it's my way. If I really wanted to be my way. Um,

attitude comes from in the joint. I wouldn't have thought that. Yeah, I mean that's just the real backstory, all right. So scrap it off, scrape it off the tail, scrape it off the top. I just man, the record was the track of so was was fun. That's that's your radio record to me, you think so to me, to me, that's what I want to see you in, motherfucking and Grilla, Oh mangoes on the y'all chair, you know, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, you know what I'm saying. Yeah, yeah, I think that.

I think I think that that's it. I mean, you know, I think it's fired. I mean, listen, it's performing crazy. You know what I'm saying. Um, I feel like I feel like Oozy is the king of the youth for real. I feel like Don Tolliver is um when it comes to the melodies. I can't go on my Explore page and ain't a girl putting on makeup to Don Tolliver's music. Wow, fire, you know what I'm saying. He just he he's talking at that frequency that people rocking with girls are rocking with,

so you you you could be right. I'm just you know, you gotta see how do these joints? You know how it turns out? Oh? Hear me clearly? Yeah, hear me clearly. Man, you know it's crazy. This is this is real talk. I don't think anybody here knows this. I probably started

working with for a reale. I ain't the seven that had to be because it dropped the Remember back then, we had to record a year in evance right as much as I've ever been around, for as much as it gave me one of the first pair of babes, and I worried and everyone laughed at me because they said those look like freak up towns right to never one time, and it's all of these years, has Nego ever said Hi to me? Wow, God, we've been the same, we've been. I've never once He's never like said him.

I might be just as guilty. Yeah, Like I don't you know, I might be just as guilty because I've never probably never said hi back because I never felt like I never felt like his energy permitted me to say hi. So all these years, all these I've never said. Me and Nigo have never spoke. I don't even know if you can speak English this, I've never seen him speak. Yeah, I don't know. I mean, you know, I can't even

really speak to that. But I you know, I know that just with him, it's it's a respect thing and like just you know, respecting people's space and just it's just what they what they do over there anyway. So I mean, he's familiar, like we've met him. We've met him because of the music. Ye I heard the job mat him because of the jury, right, because because well he was a fan of the music and then found out that he was getting his jury done from from Jacob.

So he would come and get everything he got in three colors with all the best diamonds every time. And that's you know that, that's who really made that connection as far as Nigo goes. So let's get that record. Yeah, break down that record. Oh man, hear me clearly, um um, one of the first records that I did, and you know,

the beat just had a real um. It just spoke to me, and it spoke to the hot sixteen in me, you know, and you know, just recently, my biggest regret from this album is Nas not being on this record, because I um, I did that that the one verse that I had on it, I sent it to Nas ages ago, ages ago. As soon as I got I was like, no, I want NOAs on this because I felt like, um, I know, I just felt like you

would have killed it right, So they got quiet. I didn't hear from him for a long time or whatever, but I gave it to him so long ago that I felt like, you know, you know, I gave him time. So I ran into him at Coake Man, the Korean steakhouse. But what is it? Quite? Cet? Yeah? Yeah, quit quite? I don't know, Yeah, no, don't. Let's all right, So so man, I ran into him. Man, He's like, Yo, what's up in New York? In New York? Man, yeah

he um Man. He brought out thousands of dollars worth for wagu and and and sent it over to the table, came over. We just talked about. I was like, Man, you know, I still want you on this record, I said, Man, I want you to be I said, I'm gonna put this record out because by this time Paris Fashion weekn happen.

They got the snippet it, it got all the hits or whatever, and I was like, but I want you to still be the last verse because I don't be the surprise on my album, like you know, because I'm putting the song on my album for sure what I was going for, know what I was doing, right, So so yeah, it just didn't happen. Man, it did not happen. Man, biggest regret, biggest regret of the album. Okay, moving on

Open Air, Yeah, Open Air. I feel like open There was an answer to one of those records, and it was either an answer to Dreaming of the Past or was an answer to um to hear me clearly that was for real trying to get in his dark bag and um just you know, just trying to really just like man, you couldn't have all the hard records. You gotta show he could do it too. Okay, now the last one, the best one. You know what was crazy? Um When I first listened to it, I didn't look

at the features on purpose. I wanted to just appreciate the music about. What I didn't want to do was to listen to it in order that you made sometimes they shuffle, so that what I kept doing was after I was playing it, I went back to the original playlist to make sure that it was it was correct, and you and your brother sounds so good together. I couldn't know. I couldn't really see where you started. And he finished that while so I sat back and saying

oh Ship. Like like I said, I didn't look at it. I didn't know what he was doing that, and it just reminded me like, oh Ship. The young version of the clips I remember, you know, I remember the grinding video me me, me driving out there and me going to your hood and seeing like wow, but Jennie is really fucking the lood like like and it just but how hard I know you got a little brother card. I've been watching your interviews. But but still this album

doesn't really represent what he represents. What I mean by that is, you know, he's a man of God. He's a man Like this wasn't like a Mace move, not taking a shot at Mace, but like this was like he really doving, Like follow him on Instagram. He has people that he preaches to. This is a real full

fleshed thing. So how do you convince him? Like I said, you know, you got a little brother car but other than that, because it's like I know you're gonna say, well, well, well you got this other content on the here, So how do you convince him to do that? Um? You know, it wasn't It wasn't really convincing. I think my I think my brother is really he's really self aware. Like he knows. My brother knows he's like the realist. He

knows he's the realist. So he can put him in any uh any situation and he just gonna beat him, do him. He don't, you know, he doesn't necessarily think that because he's on a record that has whatever type of content that you know, if if you let him tell it, he getting his message across his points from Yeah, you know, and it's competitive for him to he like, man, I'm I'm still dope, Like I'm dope, and I can be dope saying this, and I can be better than

you saying it, like you know, that's it. So you know that that that record, Um, I think that record. Let everybody know that the possibility of doing Eclipse record would make a lot of people happy. And and you know, just just I don't know, I think that, like I mean, it's it just be up to him. It's just up to him, like it ain't. It ain't even mean. So there's no more conversations from that record making it a reality. Funny funny thing is he hit me the other day like, oh,

I see what they're saying. He hit me, hit me the other day. He's like, I see what they're saying. Ain't He was like, yo, I want you to change on the credits. Make sure it says malice not no malice. Wow, yeah, because I did. I did say no malice. It does. Yeah, No, it's malice. It says malice. Hold on, it says malice. Yeah, what is this? Did I see? I pray no malice? But what is this though? Like that's oh yeah, no, no, no on the actual look you no no, but I'm

on another you got because come up schools cocaine. They list to cocaine. Google's love You. Yeah, we would be crazy. Though you guys pulled off an album together. You can that duality can exist. It would be so crazy if you work together too long. This is what I remember. I remember do from my Hoodie passed away, so I don't want to um, but um he was. He told me. He was like, yo, I want to get on right. He was like, so I want to. I want to diss you. And I was like, diss me? What sisters

that man? He was like no, because you're the biggest artist. So if I diss you, I'll get attention. So I said, all right, cue, you know what we're doing. Let's let's let's do it on the same record. You dissed me. But I'm gonna be able to go. But I'm gonna sorry. I really raped. And it made me think about that because it was too opposite opinions. And I was like, but he never got to do it. He passed away.

But I think of that when I think of you and your brother, like you're not changing nothing, nothing, and they're not changing, and if the opposite of opinion, but it's it's where you guys, you know, correlating when you guys go down the same train. You know, even in my solo, in my solo career, I still know the difference. I still know what I'm missing. Like that's the one thing I have not been able to really pinpoint for, like you know, to to to to sort of give

to the fans. I know, like the fact of me being solo and not being able to really channel and tap in. I know what the fan is missing when they just hear me and don't hear him. You know what I'm saying, I really really do, And you know it's something. It's something I used to you know, I really used to try really hard to do. But still to this day, Um, I still don't. I don't hit the vein. I don't hit the vein properly when they come to that. He was wrapping before you, my brother

five years older than me. He's been rapping being everything. Do we have a church? No, we need to. We need to. We need to hip hop, need to build Oh a church, yeah, malice church, he'd kill it. Yeah, we need to. We need because UM, Like there's certain people who I want to pray all me. Uh be like Rev run DMX. Yeah, bro, like you know what I'm saying, pray for me, like if I was a thing, because I believe in him. Like you know what I'm saying, I believe I wanted to do a song with my

brother that had been crazy, that had been crazy. You're a relationship with X correct? Okay, Yeah that was that was That was a big hold. So we're gonna move on right now. By the way, congratulations once again to for the album, gratulations for making a masterpiece. I'm gonna go ahead and say it's a classic. Thank you. Gonna wait for the team you know how everyone else. It's definitely a classic. And I'm very glad that you didn't let Kanye slack. You didn't let for Real slack because

he's a both very rich people. Before we on the Creek time with slide. Yeah you do that. Okay, Yeah, this is the watch question. You probably don't even care. I probably don't even care. Who got the best watch game in the game, for real, for real, for real, Okay,

I'm talking about everybody. I mean, man, it might be who we have the most expensive watches, a most expensive right right, Okay, but no, man, I mean he is he strong, he is corect Let me just tell you some he was weird Richard Milly's when I thought I was That's what I'm getting. I'm talking about. Let me talking about first world. We talk about first you gotta really, it ain't a lot that he ain't first that. Yeah, so it's it's I mean, war Burgers out here disrespectful.

Who was that Mark Warburg Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, he's discussed out here foot and ship too. Yeah. But yeah, we all got a six million dollar joint from the Moon with the with the with the Moon dusting or something. And I was going to you know, you know, like we came up together. You can't even say that with that watch, like I was gonna take that. Lord, listen, he got all the what I mean, and you know he only doing the yeah, the one he got a

new Richard Millie with the Cuban link band from Richard Miller. Yeah, yeah, yeah, excuse me, he calls him richild Yeah, Richard to bed rest, saying for real, top one jay Z most expensive. Yeah, I mean, oh, listen, I ain't gonna lie Jabe Albert. I said his name correct his time here. Oh yeah, you know he's he's he's heavy too. I'm just saying that like when when I'm when I'm considering that, you know the game I'm talking about, like, man, when you I feel like Farrell put a lot of people on

to things. You know what I'm saying. We're talking about the watches right now, but even that, I feel like he put people on. Um, you know, it'll be a back and forth. I mean, bro, look how far hip hop is coming. Everybody's a billionaire every day, so it can be a new a new most expensive watch every day.

But I'm talking about you know, when you look at who is like, okay, people following culturally like what he did, whatever the case may be, I feel like, yeah, like he's he's like one of those, definitely one of the ones. Yeah him, Drake is outside too. I don't know, I'm not I don't follow you. I just wanted to see your face is spression. I'm sorry. He's pretty ill too. Um yeah, but you said for in your book for number one watch guy. Yeah, Okay, we're gonna play a

game right now. It's called quick Time with Slim. Sure, you're familiar with it, let's do it. We're gonna get you a post choice once or other if you um. If you pick both, you take a shot for it. If you're not drinking, we can have somebody come in and dream. We got Mr Lead come in and drink for you if you're not drinking. Because he's been on your album. I can tell you I did cocaine deals together. I'm just doing out the Dominicans. Definitely get cocaine Virginia.

It's definitely cocaine. I just know I remember did. But if you want you to do that, because I heard you drink, you drink deadly or you drink the black man we drinking? You got someone drinking? Man, you got someone drinking from you. No, I know I have nobody drinking from me because one more day after Dan, I'm trying, you know what I'm trying. I'm only make them one day. The one day. But you drink me. Okay, you personal sunny, come in. I don't like being too sober and ship.

It's like you don't like to put on the headband for this. Okay, this one off top, can you get him? I'm a cup this one off top, get give sunny. Um. Now, I'm gonna tell you off top, I'm picking somebody every time, so it don't matter. So we're not so we're not drinking what you're saying. I'm thinking somebody every time kills. It was day they didn't they picked somebody ever, but it was crazy but it wasn't. And I'll tell you, I'll tell you. I'm gonna tell you. I'm gonna tell you.

I'm gonna tell you one. I don't know if I'm I'm gonna tell you. One time you called me he was disappointed and you no, no, for real, I'm gonna tell you. In fact, it was a six o'clock in the morning call. I remember where I was at, and you you taught me something. You talked, you didn't you didn't know this. I don't know if you know this, but you taught me something. This is when we first came up with I don't want right no no no no no no no no, no, no no no. I

didn't want you to the quick time with slid. I had wished you didn't air you know when you had to go back and forth. So I remember you called it. You said, I'm in the middle of making this album. And we almost damn there in the middle of the wall with this guy. And he had to be literally correct because I believe the ass of quick time and slide was pushed or drake and for real said he drank for he drank for it. And it was like he's being politically correct. And it was the first time

I ever like like you, even like not mad. But he was disappointed, like wait in a minute, hopeful this motherfucker making my help. He couldn't pick me. I never see me most Yeah, is that because because I there's a cold of the streets right where you're my man. I'm with you right or wrong, But I also tell you when you're wrong. Oh yeah, I do that. Why did you feel like not betrayed? I don't want that. That's a wrong answer. Why didn't you think for all answered?

He didn't answer that question correct because there is no wrong when they comes to me and p R, it's just you're right. I don't care, and that's just what it is like, That's just what it is like, even when you're wrong. He could be the wrongest person in this room right now. He's right there and you're wrong. But that's how I go. Yeah, like that's just what

it is. But I will say this though, like you, he's sitting in front of you, you know what I'm saying, and like and he got he you know, he's sitting in front of you, and you're the same, you know what I'm saying. Like I'm thinking, I expect for real to be politically correct. Until you gave me that point of view. Was like, yo, I'm in the middle of

making the album. Now he's producing it. I don't need that type of I wanted him to say, you know me, like, you know what I'm saying, And I didn't look at I didn't look at every single you know, you know on the chess board with the pond moves a little bit and no one really just picks it up that that that little move at the pond makes matters to later on. Every move matters, yes, speaking every move, that's what people do know. Every move matters, Every move matters. Yeah,

every move matters, Every move matters. Yes, right, okay, yeah, we're getting into quick time slie. And by the way, so you know your friend Mr Lee right this to to to crash people up, so he definitely probably did this for you. Alright, cool, you ready that this is either artist whichever way you want, the puff man should child. That's right, he's making an album and ship. Yeah yeah, he didn't even let me hear it because he said

to blow it up. Um um, Kanye or for real, for real, I'm stuck, okay, Jada Kiss or fabulous Jada Swiss Beasts or Timberland Swiss. I'm not gonna ask why. Oh I mean you know, I'm just you know, Swiss made money cash holes. I'm done money cash, hold money, cash premre p rock shit your shot? No, um, Primo made dwait Premo. Okay, ain't you taking a shot to change a big sean to change that? The best verse on Mercy? Okay, that's how's verds go? How's good pirds go?

How's no already? Remember? Come on, come on to change the best verse on Mercy? Remember a little bit? All right? K arrests or rock him fuck man? Shot. No, I'm not taking a shot. I'm a pick I'm a peak one. But but you have to take a shot out of that taking a shot. Who do you think both both? I would man, that's that's tough. Um. Both were game

changers at that time. Yeah, so both I don't know, man, because I still see I like, right this very second, no, no, because right this very second, I feel like I feel like CA arrests still could sit in front of me and rhyme is old me and everybody at this table right now, you know what I'm saying. Yeah, Like, but rock Him, rock Him definitely had more of an impact on me, just culturally, Like I feel like, you know, I didn't ever noticed rock Him. Don't even curse, right,

that's crazy, just crazy. I don't I muna say both forget it, okay, okay, but I ain't scared to say either one okay, yeah, O d B or bisin Markey, bisin Mokey pretty pretty much they was in the same category too, right, Like, if it wasn't like a B, probably wouldn't be an OLDB. Like comedy I love yeah, Yeah, I definitely love it on Have you been approached to do versus O? No? I don't think so, right, you know some of you interested in not really now, not

right now. I'm still like I'm still competing right now in the right right now, and I'm still like trying to like I don't even want to go. I'm working on the next album now, like right this second, at the third and fourth for whatever days I'm supposed to be in the studio. I actually canceled studio today. So nah, I'm like trying to We're gonna see, we're gonna see how far this really really go. And I ain't trying

to reminisce about nothing. That's why. Okay, so you ain't. Yeah, you're saying basically you're not you're not interested in versus right now. No, No, even if the bag is hefty, I mean the bag stupid who but but like, no, versus is something I like. It's something I like and something I like to watching, something that I'm into. So bag wise, I wasn't even thinking. I'm like, I'm thinking, you just asked me on something like you know, you know it kind of it's kind of like, um, I

don't know, you know obviously you know. But DJ Cassidy he has this thing called Past Past the Mike what I lovely she's been asking you to ask me to do it, but but he names it nineties rappers, and it's like, I don't want to be there, bro, I'm a two hip hop media motherfucking mogul. I don't want to be label the fucking nineties rapper. I mean, no, it's just it. You ain't doing that. You just yeah, I like that. I don't want to remember. I don't

remember that. Basically what what me and you were saying the same dialect in a different way and a different vernacular. But because you don't like, you don't want, you still perform grinding? I do. I will still perform grinding. I don't perform much else though. Okay, you know I um, I still performed grinding, right because I went to a camera show and he didn't perform horsting carriage. I was mad.

I was upset. I wanted horse in carriage and three five seven, Oh yeah, yeah you would, Yeah you would, I would. I wanted. I wanted that. I never told him that probably um okay, boom you ready. Boys in the hood of mister society, Um, boys in the hood? Okay, boys in the hood. That's um though, that's right. As a society is Lorenz Tate and boys first asat Rocky or Travis Scott asad Rocky that very fast, sir, I mean black them both, but Rocky because a lot of

people say that Rocky is like the originator. Oh I don't even compare to to I just you know, Rocky's taste level is just a one like super high. I think Travis makes dope records. I think there's something, um it's really classic about Rocky that I yes, we Rocky too. Yeah, hey, you got the next one? No, I don't have pulled up when you up? Did you tell me it's I got to type in my code because because people be telling me my cod be switching by every week, they

like your cold? This is once before? How the fun do they see this ship on the end of that? So yeah, so you know, stop doing that. Hey, I've learned, uh saw how the Prince or Rome fest mm hmm. They've both been a part of history, and let'na say both. Okay, we respect that. We gotta take the shot. Buddy take the shot. I'm follow sleep him, Brophtory. They both they've both been done some very very incredible things and been a part of a lot of like legacy ship Like

I can't even front on them either one. Okay, ready, yep, Big or Big Part Big Pun? The reason why are you Big Pun? Big Pun made twins? It's crazy? Ain't nobody doing in the middle A little first to the specific track that he's thinking in his mind at that moment. I love the fan version of I can just see. It's just like a totally different thing to you. Okay, Pablo escotball or l Chopol. Mr Lee wants to know. Definitely Mr. Least he would put Mr leave. But Pablo Escobar,

Pablo Esco, he was first. Nah, it's not because he was first, but um does zoo? I mean Chopper might have gone further, you know, you know what because I get you know what it is. I get um, I get. I get family vibes out of Pablo, like I got to see you know, when you hear about it, when you when they talk about them, you see like oh man, he loved his kids and things like that. You know what I'm saying, You don't. You don't. I don't know

that type of ventel with Chap. Yeah, I don't know tasketball, horses, cocaine and everything like information, Which is what I'm saying is it's a real thing. Like I feel like people to hear about the you know, then they'll think, you know, just like some type of tyrant. But it was dope to to get some of that insight that like he was, he was kind of like a family man, and and that and that, uh, that picture the icon it's an iconic picture him and his child in front of the

White House tourists. Bro, how can you know who doesn't have that? I got that picture with my pops too. The same exact one was like, Okay, Missy or eve Missy, Missy? What's the only? Mr Mean? Stop Missy over everybody? How about that? You think Missy could be a bust of rhymes and Missy Missy untouchable, bust the rhymes though verse, I'm going I'm going with Missy. I'm Missy from Virginia. Is your only? Mr? Mean? I'm going with Missy. I'm

the mighty, influencing, incredible, go god level Missy. She's gonna come up with rain drop. Listen, let's play video for video. What's up? What's up? Up? What I got back? Listen? I mean, I'm standing on it. I'm gonna stay I'm gonna staying on Missy wind losing drawers whatever, but incredible world since they and they gotta do by visual too, because they have you can't just do you know? Yeah, Yeah, I love that. I love that. Mrs motherfucker yeah, we

need you. They got Diddy or Stephen Victor, but they don't know you like I know you. So I'm taking Diddy out of there, and I'm putting Bob Walker or Stephen Victor. Man. Man, No, I ain't drinking. I'm not, man, I'm not you know, um Man, you know I love them both. We're going on vacation, all of us together, just recently. I mean just you know, coming up soon. But man, Stephen Victor, man, dog, we're going. We're going. We'll lose a draw. We're gonna listen down together the

worst times to the best times. That's what it is, y'all. Billboard Magazine and gloves on for sure. And I mean you know and and and and Rob. Rob didn't manage me at one time, but you know, uh Pharrell at Farrell and Chad that was there. That was there, Stephen Victor, Rob and he managed all of us, you know what I'm saying. And it was and he was the one

to them. Stephen is the one to me. So I'm going Stephen, okay, but you know, you know right, let's go, yeah, drink to that drink as Stephen Victor, that's was here, he was here with Sean Yep, Yeah, definitely. I want to go to believes for no reason, I swear to God, I'm gonna, yeah, I was gonna put a flight to beliefs. I don't know this is a sub but for no reason. But I looked at my fucking Instagram and it's like

beliefs pot. I was like, I'm gonna just go. I'm gonna figure out the sign is there later, like you know what I'm saying. I was just gonn. I don't know. I just felt like just going, like I said, And then my friend hit me season Antigua. I was like, you know what, one of these things, I'm gonna go for one day and just just go, just like fly in six am and then fly back out. Remember, do some dumb ship like that. I'll tell you, Uh, Jake Cole or Kendrick Um j Cole or Kendrick. I'm going

with Kendrake. I've been going with Kendrake. Wow, okay, nineties verse two thousand's nineties verse two thousands. Just give me two thousands, take a two thousands, Just tell him no, no, no, what it is two thousand. Yeah, you're saying all the nineties versus a Musically John, like the nineties you got you got criss Cross jump right now. We oh, we got WoT we got uh, we got great kin, we got mob d fuck. Oh yeah, you know it's nineties.

But clips. We have clips in the two thousands. We got clips in two thousands, and we got trapper Divegez in the two thousand. You know, that's the fucking grail some of the great But you got reasonable doubt nineties six, I'm done. It's ninety about eighties verse nineties based on what you've been saying to mom, d ruined my life? Prodigy? Did get Richard died trying? Or Port of Miami? Get Richard died trying? Or Port of Miami both the first

both Rick Cross and get rich trying. Yeah, Biggie or jay Z, take a shot something the fucking coming Nah, Like you can't answer it, man, you can't answer it. Take a shot. Okay, No, But I don't like that. I really do. I really do. You might think I'm

a whole or something person. I actually it's just it's just like it's just like the bar said on your he said, if Big was alive in this position, if would have survived, would have got the right, col okay, this one, I don't know where you can go with this? Was that because I don't know if we ever ever. I know you met one of them, I don't know if you met the other one. Tupaca d MX, Tupaca, DM Max. I'm gonna go with d M Max bro right, Um,

you know I ain't. I didn't see Poc. Yeah, I didn't get the I didn't you know what I'm saying. I didn't see him. I mean his of course music impactful, so on and so forth. But I went to the concert where they cried like this. Yeah. I went to Rough Riday and uh cash money, cash money and Rough Riday. Yeah yeah yeah, And um, you know, you know that's something that this funked up with me because of music. I don't. I don't remember dating ship good like nothing,

I remember nothing. I can't. I can't my time, my time friends that it's got vitamins. But um, but also also I muna say that, um, you know, exchanged music

and what was music like crazily to me? Like like I mean, you know, I love big everything going on, bad boy boom boom and then he come with the dog calling no shirt blacking, you know, what I'm saying, it was like then he came and he rob Um, he did two songs, did two albums, and nine months um he started Hell's Hellt's and then Flesh in My Flesh. Yeah I'm slipping right yeah yeah, like bro yeah just for me just in the impact was something visible and had a record a ciscar at the same time. No,

and and what's that the Alia joint? Yeah, like it's too much no hype man? Yeah yeah, performer. Now this next one, I don't know where you're gonna go because I think this is definitely a doublet for you, major or independent because when you owning your masters right now, you're a major independent right No, yeah, but but um, I don't have a problem with I don't have a problem with the label a label as a partner. I don't get that check. Yeah, like I'm not. I'm not.

And especially if you don't got the arms too to facilitate everything you need to be as an independent, you know. And I'm speaking. I'm speaking on this because I'm from a place where independence never happened, you know what I'm saying. Like I'm from Virginia. We never had the infrastructure to make some independent common Wealth. Right, but we never just had the infrastructure to like but you've never experienced independent stuff really Yeah? Well well no, I mean you know

what I'm saying. I look, Tony Draper was my manager. You know. Yeah, that's independent. But some of the some of the perks of amajors, like you said, you were out there, got the hard work out a jay Z feature probably probably wouldn't be able to get the video, but you got this and the perks will being an amazing people have it played or fifty seven markets per hour just you gotta be an estimated at least fifty seven million people have heard neck and Rest because of

the purse of a major. Yeah, it's given take Remember it's o versus versus the machine, and it's both. There's no wronger, right, yeah, there's no there's no wronger. Right. And I'm gonna tell you this. Um, I don't know, man, Yeah, I don't know. I don't know. I mean, so we're taking a shot. I don't take a shot, Okay, now this is I'm not mad at either one though. To be honest with you, if you if you got the arms to be independent, then it's go. You should. But

if you don't. It's a successful on a major for for sure. For sure, kick cut a comment, kick cutting Conway or Bitty the Butcher. Shit, m taking a shot? All right? Cool, I'm not taking them shots. Damn. I'm gonna go with Conway. I'm gonna go with Conway. Right. I don't know why they keep putting these two together, but they did it with their albums, but now we're gonna do it for them individually. Rick Ross a fat Joe Um Rick Ross yeh, Teddy Riley, go ahead, baby face,

Teddy Riley? Care what happened? A funk? What happened? It's t go ahead. He's definitely gonna his last name don to Oliver, don Toliver Oliver or little Boosie Burke. God nah nah um yeah, I'm gonna take a shot. Okay, now we're gonna take a shot, all right. Uh. New Jack City, original Gangster New Jack City. A lot of people have been saying New Jack City, okay, d C or l A d C or l A d C d C or Miami d C d C or Denver d C. No, No, no, listen, you know you know

actually where I'm from. I'm three hours away from these well now I got a house up there now, and like, but I just, man, I'm just very mid Atlantic, East Coast level. That's where I'm the most comfortable with everything. Like, you know, I haven't I haven't taken a flight since I was living in Maryland in that area. I haven't taken a flight to New York. I never took a flight.

And I would all ways get on the train and just uh you know, take the train from DC to New York just to like see the different like just the different areas I was going through, and and and so on and so forth. And it's like I really got to identify who I'm talking to, that East Coast level of sophistication. You know what I'm saying that I know exactly where my raps is going at. Anybody else is cool, but who gravitates to it? But I know

exactly that d C, Baltimore, uh, Philly, Maryland, you know it? Atlantic? Yeah? Yeah, oh yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean state too, right, No state is when you get there US. It's not DMV, no DMV. But but d m V. D m V has never uh d m V has never included uh where I'm from. DNA Beach seven five seven area code that Hampton and never we were our own things. We are, We've been our own thing. Richmond be the own thing. And then d m V was DC Maryland and Northern Virginia. Okay,

so um, let's be clear. Virginia is the East Coast. Yes, I mean it was in the South. This is a big debate. Well, no, no, it is. Technically it is. It was the capital of the Confederacy. No for but no, I don't think that's what he meant that technically the South. But in the music sense, in a music sense, the dirty South never adopted Virginia, and d C no, no, no no adopted Virginia. Well, New York, the New York adopted Virginia during the late eighties. You don't think Teddy

really turned into Virginia. I feel like he into that's what we're saying. I don't think he zoom zoom zoom in the room. Poom yeah jove into pop phone. I do remember that video, don't saying to get I got almost guaranteed. I jerked video. That's two much of Amazon. You needn't drink that Wow Soper nor out no one Sofa. That's all the year before. What do you mean that's a clessant record. That's a clus That's what mean. It's like Dwick almost in a sense, you know, like a

summer record that's never forever, YoY came before do it. No, I'm just saying it's a classic summer record. Yes, it made me want to like I always wanted to have a video like that. I never got one girl. He got chill him full of dudes, I drink off. He's crazy and he's sober. The motherfucker. I don't want you. That was podcast radio um podcast almatic or ready to Die Illmatic or ready to die Almatic, styles Pe or

cameraon styles P camera styles Pe. Oh you say you was answering styles Pe might be in my top five to three dogs just of like consistency, hard lyricism. Um even gets a little conscious, Yeah, but scary conscious, you know, I don't know, scolding conscious, Like he's in my top he's like he's been and been there for a long long time. Ray Kwan or ghost face Ray Kwan of course his hats because he is the Purple tape. Purple tape change niggers Like, yeah, now let me tell you something.

If the Purple Tape would have said ghost face features because yeah, but I said break feature and ghost face, So I gotta go with Cypress Hills or Onyx Cypress Hill used to Cypress Hills Cyper's Hill Still n WA or Wu Tank Plan Um moutane Clan deep or MP mob mob Deep over everybody, Mob Deep over clips Mob Deep mob Deep. Loyalty or respect loyalty? Why you don't guta respect me? You don't got too? It's cool, I don't. I respect you and I respect me. But if you're loyal,

that means you're that close to me. That means we're in a close you know, in close dealings. And I and I put that over everything like we should be everybody should be. Um, loyalty should be on top of everybody's list. Who you who you deal with, who you rock with? Yeah, figure we always say, um, you always say that's probably the only trick question on here because

UM and I get how people depreciate the two. UM, but I feel like, really, loyalty and respect, like it's just it's just like a hand and hand type of thing. But not in this generation now. But from where we come from. When I say where I come from, I don't mean my hood. I mean the generation generation, you know what I mean? Um damn that motherfucker Live Residents smacking a ship out of me. Right now. We got some bigger boys. God damn it, that's it. That's it

is hitting me crazy right in the building. You get paid by the movie. But so moving forward and this generation now, I can see how they don't coexist. But um, back then, if you had loyalty, you have respect. Back then, if you have respect, you had loyalty. I mean, I think I'm looking at it just in this sense of you know how I how I view the two words, like I don't care if somebody respects me. You know what I'm saying, I don't, you don't. You don't gotta

respect me. You got to know me and I respect me. It's whatever. Loyalty is something that is. You know, you get that opportunity to even experience loyalty by being close to somebody, you know what I'm saying, Like you you, if you're not close somebody, you don't even expect loyalty.

So you can only look at that word in one you know, in in a in a sense of being, But would in loyalty automatically bring respect with itself, because the minute someone disengages from being loyal, they're disrespecting you at the same time. That's why. That's that's why I was like, I guess, I mean you mean true, you know, but I think, you know, I think you can separate both of them because again I can see this man right here. I don't gotta respect that man or nothing.

You don't gotta respect me, you know what I'm saying. Loyalty ain't even an option. We don't even know each other, you know what I'm saying. So when you start talking about loyalty, you're really talking about you're already putting a relationship there. And when you when you mentioned loyalty, not necessarily with respect, because the enemy could respect you and

that'd be loyal to you. That's why I think is where it disengages, Like like someone from a distance in the streets could be like, I'm gonna respect them and I'm gonna move accordingly to how I respect that they might move, but I'm not loyal to that person. Yeah, it's it's it's separate though. Man, life is crazy. Man

life is crazy. Life is crazy. No, look at this, Yeah, that's about to say, man like not only did you think you still be here, like with the level of love that you receive, you know what I'm saying, Like you have like like I go back to the Coil Ray interview because it was just, um, is a fire cracker that that's that's the home. But what it was was to see Charlemagne like and have his like you know,

he's the top of his game. He's sitting there and it's like there's people like that that won't let what you do die at all. Yeah, no, for sure, And you know it's it's Um, I think that it's good to have champions like like Charlotte Maagne out there and yeah, of course Vangela everybody. UM, but you know, you gotta you gotta make it. You gotta make it easy for them to champion you two. You gotta make that ship.

You gotta be culturally relevant. You gotta be active and actively competing and you know, you know, being able to put up your album one for one with any of them. And I feel like that's something that I need to do more. Like I you know, I've been on some I've been on some you know, drop every two three years type of ship. This was even longer due to

the pandemic or whatever. But um, I think I think just being more respectful to my fan And if I'm really trying to get my language out there and and show that I'm being competitive, I'm gonna have to drop more frequently too. What's ther president of death? Dam? How has it been working with Tungi Dope? Like you know young energy? Um, he knows what you're talking about. And and Tungji used to wrap. He's gonna kill me for this. I don't, I don't, but but I sucked him up.

I told him right, I told him, I know you used to wrap two So because I brought him into listen to my album first, and I was like, before we even go here, I know you're rappers, so that's why you're here. Tell me he um African? Um, what's the ship? Um? No, no, no, bumba, what's that? What the are you talking? Uh? Afro beats? Yeah, but no he wraps like a rapper, like African like raps. Yeah he sure, And um that was that was they had a lot to do with. Um. I was letting I

was letting him hear the album. But that was part of the rollout specifically. That's why I asked you how long you got to live with the record because we wanted I feel like, man, people don't even rate in critique records no more so we had we had the record sent out to everybody earlier and we experienced the leak. Actually in the virgion I had didn't have drug Dealers anonymous on it. The one that I bought don't have drunk anonymous on It's not on it. Yeah, yeah I didn't.

But the one when you google it, it is on that bro. Stop No, you know it's crazy. No, no, go to title man on the playlist that you sent us. They got it, yes, yeah, yes, they got it actually under the album yeah, come on, no or push the Tea Blue dist track towards Arby's. You started Arby's Ship because because McDonald's jerk you back in the day. Man, that's really really good. I'm really proud of that. Armies. Yeah, I'm proud of the campaign. Right go, Steve Stout got

your jerked back. They didn't get a jerk man, but not shouting Stout though, because he you know he um. He brought me and my brother in on the I'm loving the campaign. Yeah. We talked about two and from those raps came the catchphrase I'm loving it and you you did not know about residuals back there? Hell don't know that ship with the check was looking crazy that bro I wasn't thinking about it, and I'm thinking ship, Oh yeah, you know, a little two months joint about

the same time it's over. That should lasted twenty years, might still be forever? Know for sure? Are we stepped you and said let's get a cracking h We'll see ary they said, let's go to the wall, let's get double like that. If any of that happened, I'm telling you what happened before. What really happened was I've been speaking and I've been telling people that that was like my um my biggest regret. You know, people ask you, like, da,

what's your biggest regret musically? So that's um. So I told him about the McDonald's thing and I and then I proceeded to tell them that. But after that, though, I see, I've been in business with Arby's for minute because me and scrill X did a record together called Burial and that we got to meet at the end of the Arby's commercial with the last hard That's that our own record. So yeah, so out here doing right so so and that's why because you were speaking about earlier.

He was like, man, I was doing his E d M stuff, and I was like, bro, that was the path that I got. No, he was on point, but he was on point. He was on point with that. He jump off the E d M. The E d M is very commercial friendly and once um my manager really Stephen was really like pushing that. No, just pushing, just doing a lot of E d M stuff, like yo, just do it like it's it's cool whatever, it's it's

commercial leaning. And so to get me to do it, he would always ask for a super crazy amount of the song like like yo, give me whatever publishing and I ended up doing the Screll X one and it ended up getting picked up. So yeah, so I didn't say nothing. He just owns that piece of that record. Who got the Meets is on yes, exactly. So um, with that, with that being the case, um, they reached out to me. It was like, man, we we heard about what you said during the you know, doing me harmy.

Yeah They're like yeah, we've been I'm always gies, but you know it was like yeo, we heard about that but we got this fish sandwich that we bring in the market. Let's, you know, let's do something they want to bang against. Yeah, Wendy's right, McDonald's Okay, Yeah, And it just made sense. It just made sense, you know, be for McDonald's, sense, beef for McDonald's and just everything I was going through, just beefwise period. They were like,

that makes sense. So that's why it's like really important to get the right people at these corporations because you know what's going on. Culture. Whoever the guy is at Arby's does deserve a raise. I think he got. He could have got. Let's be clear that a lot of these executives now are of an age and a generation that grew up on hip hop that probably get it. But he could have because anybody could wrap now, he could have got a straight faced you know what I'm

saying to do. Arby's got beef with y D's and they wouldn't have to say. But they got a credible lyricist, and you really got D R B Gang And I ain't got it yet. Get at least the piece. Yeah, no, for sure, get the piece. Give me give me a ticket, yeah, to come down. But so Marvey steps to you and they said listen. Yeah. It was like, yo, let's let let's do this. You seven drop by on me? Yes, for sure, everybody get everybody getting it, and man, it really it really paid off. It really paid off. I

think it got um. It really tuned everybody from our culture totally into Rby's even more. I mean I don't I don't know if they really were before, but just to see the analytics and the numbers, you know that it was crazy. Something like Bloomberg talking about it and everybody because you Ronald McDonald's come back, Nah, I ain't buying. I'm not buying an it's crazy MS gag game. He's like,

what's I was like, they made this? This is this is by far one of the funniest hip hop uh commercial like battle it is because like I said, they could have got astray faced. Yeah, and a guy from the hood that is you know, got superbars, you know, supertality where they got you and then and then and then it's actually make that was a tweeting back like and it's a story. The story though, Drake, the story that's sundered off the Arby's gang. Now that's just means

out of question. You eat the roast beef? Yeah for sure. No, I don't really know too many people, I promise you. I'm Allby's games as pretty clean though. Man can order right now? What's the number seven? I don't do that. I do what I did? I do? I do from shading? Uh No, on one, I put the sesame seed on it, shredded lettuce, tomato, arby sauce, curly fry, sweet tea. Let's go. So just I don't eat beef. Did I got chicken? I'm getting the fish shamwich. You sold me on the

fish Sam. Yes, you told me that the other niggas is not the niggas right right right? They not with you. We're gonna get some armies. We got a pop the armies wanted to dry. But did you cliche type of questions? But did you ever think that hip hop with tickets

like joking around? That's why I do it. That's why I do it, like like I really, I really, um man, you know, we're from the time where like yo, my first my first Grammy nomination, I had to go like the day before when it was like tele like I'm televised and you had your own little like stupid ceremony. They were smart. Yeah, like they won't. Chris rock Shield came out that it was ahead of the time show. I told you I ain't coming. She's gonna be real

bill Board Awards he hosted and executive producing. When I don't know, Coden, I'm going, I'm going here, gonna have to security on that. You're gonna nig up. Ain't smacking tripping, And I'm telling you that he want the smack. That's a fact. I'm gonna be front row because if not just a bill Board a ward, but he's he's yea yea drink anymore. He's also execut producing it, so like he's executive producer because of remember was executive produced and

produced by Will Farrell. And right, excuse me, how about whatever did he do? He gonna kill, he gonna kill, he gonna dances, training and ship and the shows you gotta get to The show was done. Nobody playing with him. No, No, I'm talking, mom, he's hosting the Billboard Award. But we're talking about the producer that you were talking about, Will pat Yeah he killed the show was dope, he killed it? Yeah, yeah, he killed it. You you're interested in the Oscars and

ship like that and Oscars. Yeah, I don't. I don't never watch that show. I'm gonna watching next year. Just want to see is gonna get it flicked? Yeah, sounds I never watched you Are you Award? Your God? Yeah? Yeah? My team breaks and ship? Uh you know, I mean anything that you know they gotta do with music and especially if I'm involved, and yeah, I'm tuned in, I listen. I want everything that comes along with it, you know what I'm saying, everything that comes along with the game.

For sure. That was I was super proud of of Daytona being nominated. Yeah, super proud of that. Like, um, it was good man. It was just like you just think about me. I remember vividly being at the rock Nation brunch with Nipsey and it's like high five and

and laughing like you WoT my white House ship to right? Yeah? Yeah, but just um, you know, just being being at the rock Nation brunch man and we like giggling, laughing, high five and like yo we got we grabam me now, and they were in the same category like didn't fucked up? This is crazy, you know, and just just being really happy. I remember like discussing with him just about being really happy about the category itself. I felt like they got it, yeah,

really like he I felt like they really got it right. Um, Cardi b ended up winning that year and m and I still like, you know, I get it. Was it was Cardi, it was myself, It was Nipsy, was mcmiller, was Travis Scott. I felt like they got all all fastests, all across the board, and you know, at the end of the day when it comes to the vote and it's just who they pick or whatever and who they think performs the best. But you know, it was something that I don't think any of us could be mad at.

You know what I'm saying. Yeah, yeah, the right, Yeah, no, listen, the Cardi one, she deserved that. But you know, having what it is that I do in hip hop, my content, the ship. I talked about the ship. Where this ship is from, next to that, next to Mac, next to Travis, nip like it was bro I couldn't ask for nothing better. And to put it in perspectives, I'm not wrong. The Grammys before combined R and B and rap. Yes, sir, yes, sir, like that was crazy, Yes, sir. You remember listen they

start a whole committee. Remember they like, there's a whole committee if they do one vote, and then they then they bringing their committee folks and be like, let's edit this up a little bit, you know, those who are part of the the board. You know what I'm saying, Man, I missed the days of can you used to interrupt? You? Leave you alone? Ye let let you chill? He chilling right now, chilling, chill. I told him stay you at piece.

You listen, He's listening, peaceful, calm, we giggling, laughing. Give he designed my merch. I'm like, you know, it's you know, it's crazy. It was one day and I can't I can't reveal anything me and him spoke about. But it was crazy that he had called me one day and one of my friends called me with the same exact problem. And it was like one of my niggers got ten billions and one of my dudes probably even had ten dollars and they had the same exact problem. And that

ship changed my life. I remember where I was at, was downstairs on the beach, and I just got one call for one dude and I got another call for another. It was salmon tasey right back and it was like they had the same exact for um, That's what let me know that money probably doesn't really make you happy. It gives you, it puts you on that street. But in order for you to be happy or not, you gotta walk through that. No, money makes me happy. Yeah, money does make me happy. But what I'm saying, when

I got out the car, right, what I do? What did I do when I got out the car? As soon as I got off the car, Okay, we got you walked o right to your camera. Yes, money makes me happy too, But I'm saying overall, you have to have something else that do you agree with for sure? No, for sure you have to Yeah, yeah, but but I think that I think that um, money makes things better for sure. I mean you know, being happy, Like, being happy is something that you gotta like that starts within.

You have a smoke, bad bad week before. Na's horrible. Na, you don't never want to be broke. No, it's a horrible thing. You start being mad at everyone because you're smoking, harsh no smoking set I smoke. I smoked on vacation, every blue everything, And then yeah you want smoke, smoke chap joint. I'm cool, right, now I'm drinking drinking. One of the things that I noticed is you were very famous in the industry for having a whole line of

Cardi Air bracelets, bust Down, Cartier bust down. That's not my thing. Watches, watches, let's smoke down. You know, I've treated it. I got rid of my card as soon as I get the get rid of the riggor came out soreggor came out of hate my jewel. I said, listen, like I get rid of this. Yeah, do you under do you understand what you don't if you're a real watch people, Yeah, the real watch people, you can just watch. I can sit on myself. I Watchler, I have been.

I haven't been to watch Lover. I'm know I'm kind of sore, but I'm not. I don't have the ship that looked like nothing, that's six hundred thousand. I don't have, you know what I mean, like, I know what they look like. But but for people that don't know that's a normal watch guy, Cartier bust downs are not good. They're just not my thing. They're just not my thing. That's it. I mean, you know, it teaches own, but they're just not my thing. I like I like, I

love to bracelet. How about the regular Cardier watches without bust out. I I think they look nice playing Judy's I think they look nice. Yeah, they're nice. Yeah. Okay, that is a Batman you have on? Yes, that is a Submariner GM g MT Batman. The man is out here exclusive, y'all. The band is out. Don't look it, don't look. That's the that's the funk you watch. You know what I'm saying, Like you know when you just outside because you know it looked normal and ship, but

you can't find that through the retailer's crazy. So I'm doing that. We're trying to do a watch show, win wine and watches and watch what is? Because you lamed your album Daytona. Yeah, what is your favorite Daytona? Uh? The Green Anniversary, Green Face Anniversary of Gold, all Gold. I bought that for my wife here and I paid and I and I and I and I and I say, what it for your wife? A different type of money. But the favorite Daytona is the all Gold Green Face Anniversary.

Very very hard, very very very It's like forms flex show. Harder to get a ticket. It was, it was, it was I paid over then I never never paid overfore watch. Yeah, I never in my life paid overfore watch. So you got direct to Rolex yeah, director director Rolex Germany, direct to Rolex Um. Not even to Rolex, but to an authorized dealer here who's been down with them for like thirty years. So that's where I by all my watches from Germany and Miami, Germany. The family was in Atlanta.

They were in Atlanta and they have another store in l Alynndale, Lindale, and you get so you found there was I've always been retail, retail, retail until the green face and now wife, you wanted that, that was your suggestion, that was what I think she should have. Ye she's boys, yea, she only wear Man watches. Don't seen the white lady do that to us? Watch the other day the white Lady came in Mkodo and and I was like, excuse me, I had that, excuse me what is that? And she

was like, oh, this is the Mad's presidentiary. I was like, yeah, yeah, yeah, that is some Yeah, that is some fly ship. So but yeah, but now I uh, I believe I paid just twenty over and now today it's like over yeah, yeah, it's it's it's yeah, when your name because I uh, you know, patting you on your back when you name the album Daytona, it's it's crazy. Since then, it seems like watches appreciate it before. No, a little bit, A little bit before no, no, no, look a little bit

after that. I think that's what I'm saying. Yeah, you think you I don't know, it's me. I would have credit. You ain't seen two up. But it's true. But Daytona, Yeah, Daytona was was was just about having the luxury of time. Did you know that Daytona at that time when you named it, that the most expensive rolex there is is a Daytona. I don't think. I don't know if I knew. Is that the one that um the rainbow? It's two

of them. Oh, it's one of the most expensive one factory, Yes, from factory Okay, yes, that one, and I believe it's Nicolas Cage has one. That's what I was getting. That was That's what I thought you was. I mean, I thought you were going back to the somebody got an original life, he got some stupid Yeah, yeah, he got don't even look like a real wife. It's like you

just know it's going to sixty seconds. He got got I think him and I think it's is the guy John Mayor too, maybe John Mays a John he's a Rolette just gave him for saying nigga, because you remember he said nigga back in the days. Yes, help me, Yeah, he said. He was in the Vibe magazine. He said, and come on, I mean, let's go, let's just let's just go. Yeah, he's a big watch guy. Is a big watch guy. Okay, yeah, yeah, me and Sharon have

the same chocolate face Daytona chocolate with the leather band. Yeah. We um he was working with chocolate with the leather band. Oh you sophisticated, you got suits. I got a couple, you got right, he um um. He was down here working with p one time, and that's when we discovered that. Yeah, and he had the orange at the time. I forget, wasn't that. I think it's orange or Bergny's somewhere. Yeah, we got we got to get you a wife. I'm sorry, Where do you think lyricism is going in hip hop?

Because it felt that in the nineties, right like coming out of the late eighties. We talked about the era and then go into the nineties, you could get it. You could have got a deal off of a clue mixtape kicking a crazy six team right sounding that you could have kicked these lyrics and you didn't even know half of these words. You were saying what they meant, right as long as it sounded good. And then we departed from that heavy Where do you think the future

of lyricism is in hip hop right now? UM? I think that as long as there's somebody, um who has the who has the passion, who has the passion for for finding that lyric driven hip hop, you know, whether they be in these labels or whether they're a fan. UM, I think lyricism is gonna be here forever. I don't think. I don't think the fundamentals of hip hop die like. I think that that is what UM. That is always gonna be the cornerstone, cornerstone and driving force of anybody

who we say is nice out here? So and there's all. And when you think about it, think about everybody, you know, all the biggest in the game. You know what I'm saying, They all are you know, respective for their pen or respective for their lyricism. You know, you have all other type of subgenres of hip hop. Um, you know, more

viaby more whatever. But at the base of it all, even you know, look at future and look at what future does when you when you but when you hear him and you decipher what he's saying, and even he has a title of being like the illest toxic motherfucker because you you know, because people can hear and understand and relate to what he's talking about. That too is like because I'm from Miami, and to me, Trick was like the jay Z of Miami. If you from Miami,

you understand what he's talking. He's talking about for sure, Hella lyrical for sure. But UM, let me actually, because um, I've heard you bring up future to automatically made me think of designer, right, let me me think of that you were the president at the time. And um, he's been trying to get at us um quite some time, and I haven't been able to speak to him direct. I don't think you have neither right designer independent, but um, and his claim is, you know, Kanye, you got my publishing.

Good Music has the rights to me. He doesn't get any publisher and he doesn't get any royalties. He doesn't get any anything like that. But yet I believe when the signing did happen, it was a big upfront check. Right. Where are you stand on positions like that? I mean I feel like I feel like, well, I know, Designer made a lot of money, made tons of money, and it's a difference from front money. Um. I mean, however you want to look at it, he made, he made.

He came in the game and made tons of money. No line, Um, you know I'm not on his you know, in his management or anything like that. So yeah, so I mean I don't know, Um, I don't know how even his deal in structure. I know, I know he you know, I'm sure it was negotiated by his lawyer for sure. And however that turned out. You know, he was he he approved it, whatever it was, you know

what I'm saying. And ship when you think about it, I mean, you know, Designer was hot man like super hot, came into the game, you uh made, made your song one of his biggest records on Pablo, Um gave you a hell of a springboard, hell of a you know, hell of a trampoline to jump off. And yeah, I mean I don't know, like I don't hear like you see, I don't hear the side of like designer being disgrunted. I don't hear. UM's it's a case because whoever he's calling,

that's their point as saying, Yo, listen. He wants to say like how he didn't he doesn't receive royalties and um uh, he doesn't own his publishing or whatever. And it's it's something that you know, when I got in the game, I sold my publish and I didn't know, Uh, you didn't know you sold it. I didn't know. I got it back the next very next hour, very next you sold it, though, but you know I know I knew. I knew it afterwards after Um, whose fault is that? No?

That was depletely my fault. Okay, it was clearly my fun You were hella young, You were like what, I'm seventeen, I was seventeen eight. Maybe not your fault because council. Yeah, but but but you know, having uh you know, having having having lawyers and and and being in tune with your lawyer and your team being in tune with your lawyer, that that definitely does fall on you because you've got artists right now too, right Uh, money on Um no, no, y'all,

y'all just my man. Okay, okay, y'ah my man, y'a y'all, y'all getting too much money to be my honest already. So to speak about your speak about I don't know what we told about that, but yeah, yeah, I have a record label that I'm that I'm building, not good music, yeah, Airway Music Group, Um it is, um it's it's basically me building the infrastructure for people from the Virginia area

to be noticed. Like the one thing that I always say is that when you think about all of us who came into the game Tennessee for real, clips whatever, being not producers, whoever, Right, Um, we all had to leave and go get hot, skills, goog whatever. We all had to leave and go get hot I mean you know we had to leave and go ask for deals at that time, right, Well, yeah, for every region it wasn't outside of New York, outside of New York, and

it was where the industry was. So so would that be in the case, and again we were adopted by that New York circuit. Virginia was. We never took the time that Houston did to build out there's or Memphis did, or in Atlanta did or Bay Area? It right, they

did that, so you know, come around fast forward. That's why when you look at what's hot, what's going on, what's bubbling under, what's got the most streams, so on and so forth, that's not signed yet, you can see it in all those different places because those places, you know, taught the people how to even be fans of their neighbor. We never, we never were talked that. So that's that's the whole goal. And Airway Music a Airwave Airway music group. Um uh shouting R and B songstress. Um, oh yeah

she was at we we met her revolt. Yeah she's she's so no we she's dope at right. Yeah. So um you know, uh Leado, why not do something good? Bro, I've been drinking, but yeah, why not douce Leado shout ling Um. You know. Also not signed, not signed to the Airwave, but I manage him with my man dre Um is young Chris. He's like really viral right now. He's on the little Techer tour. They signed in Colombia.

But um, so it's a it's a few, it's a few uh people out of out of v a right now making noise and more that aren't that aren't affiliated with me. But the whole goal for airwave is to create that infrastructure so that it can be more to come through and signed me or don't sign me, whatever the case may be. At least at least they will garner that fanfare that will get them national attention eventually.

That's the goal that still um Barreto was one of the greatest producers of all time, without a doubt, no nothing to talk about. Yes, why do you think that? He kind of because I always say that, you know, I always say that because, um, how my career was. I was the man. I was the man in New York, and at the time, being a man in New York did mean you was the man all over the place. But it didn't mean all over the place was going

to accept you. And that beat that for well. He was smart enough to say I'm gonna leave super Thug because he could swipt those drums and made it sound like Premo drums, made it sound like Lawn's Professor drums, made it sound like having drums would have never did that though, I'll tell you why. But and this was the first time where people really got to hear East Coast do rhyme on what is considered almost a south beat and I wouldn't say quite south, but almost. And

I've seen the effect I've seen. I've seen me be in the studio with with with like you said, all this time, He'll hear a story, He'll make a beat around the story, He'll make around the story. I've seen him create magic out of nowhere. How can every time I say this around him he bows his head and he gets humble? Is that is that because he really he really hated. I hated. I hate it. I absolutely hated that. He doesn't want to be coy about it. Yes, I want him to be hip hop about it. Yeah, yeah,

that's what I'm like. You know what I'm saying, Like you know, I hate it, like I absolutely hate it. He knows I hate it. I hated like bad, like you know, it's it's like it's tough, it's like you know, you know. And maybe that works with some of the music that he does. But like when we on what we're on, I need you to be big chains, big

cars crashing ferraris. Like I remember where I would come to the studio playing with Swiss Beat Joint and he'll just look at me like, all right, bro, listen the whole, the whole, the whole, that whole, early two thousand things was all about competition. Ryandon was specifically made to try to do something that could eclipse the Benjamin's disrupted. That

was the goal. That was the goal. Um, when you talk about Primo and and and people like that, who are his you know he's you know, he's there right right, but still going into the studio, it was like, Okay, what can I do to outdo that? He's the reason, right, here's the reason now that I when I listen to beats, they got to be something unorthodox. It doesn't like I don't like just muddy, hard beats. I don't. I don't

like that. That's not because I know now that beats can be bright and have like beasts can be hard, and it can be super thug level of chaos starting fights and all that be right, don't gotta be muddy and trudgy. And you know what I'm saying, you would have never thought for the first time in the studio, I'm assuming you know it's crazy. When we first placed with program directors and you know, mixture people, they said

the record was too dark. Yep. So that's the reason why we if you noticed, we never made a dark scene in the video, we made it all bright because and they said it was too dark because you know why, I never heard that it was crazy. It's this is crazy. And Rod Walker definitely knows this. My reputation as a street dude was so bad at the time, and they didn't hear about the NEP tunes. They didn't. They didn't.

They didn't realize that this is the same dude that I was doing the Mace records, that was doing the Pump records. They do it. We t u yes the way it used to be like one of the best. And they thought they were gamesters. So they're like, we can't be happy you guys with these Neptune guys. But until I put them in the video and they was like, oh, these guys are not gamesters at all at all, which works, you know what I'm saying. But I go back to say that, like, you know, I was a kid, you know,

doing that. I was a kid watching y'all make grinding. I was a kid watching these beautiful albums in these beautiful records coming together. And when I come back and I think about it, I was like, this dude, if not the he is one of the best producers of more times for sure. He took me from a sound that was clearly just for New York like like like to this day, I'm nothing Miami for fifteen years to open up my mouth, but from New York I can't. I can't, right, But he was able to take my boys,

keep me in New York, but make me international. That was I was amazing. Can I ask you for for for pure ignorance? Because the Neptunes is the Neptune, the last Chad and Pharrell? Yeah, what's Chat's rolling that? Because because you know, when you're referring to Super Thug to me, that's the Neptune, but you're referring to Farrell alone. What's

Chat's rolling in in the production? Um? Well, I've worked with them through many eras, so you know, when I initially was working with the Neptunes, Um, let's say for the album that never came out or for Lord Willing, it was more of Uh, Chad would do the keys and the chords, and he would play um and add you know those type of like keyboards signs. He was just Scott Storch of that situation. Yeah, I guess. I

don't know. I don't want to. Yeah, I guess because he's famous for playing, so yeah, playing, Yeah, that's what that's what he did. It was it was that, it was the it was the playing, and it was the sounds, like you know, finding those unorthodox sounds that would go into the Neptune sound. You know, it was funny. Sorry to cut you off. I always thought it was all both of them, like at one point um when like we're all we're just coming around and it wouldn't be

a child. I would always feel jerk, like what's going on? Like I never knew that they can co exist without each other because I mean, you know, for Pharrell, at the time, Pharrell wasn't playing, and then he started playing, and then and things like that. So now you get into hell hath no Fury and that's all for Rell, you know, and I mean, you know, mostly for real.

I mean I'm trying to think back, and I don't want to like say anything that's wrong or whatever, but hell half No Fury was very top to bottom p r um um you know. Uh, since then, it has definitely been a lot of p Then maybe there's some post production co production and definitely mixing Um on the engineering side of the final product with chad Um. But um, you know, it just depends on the project. I just think it's important when we talk about that era that

it was both of them. Oh yeah, I mean you're talking about Yeah, you're talking about what I'm saying is the neptune. And then when when breaks off, it's clearly it's it's Pas going in. Yeah, he's doing both. I feel comfortable with by itself. Yeah, but but it's always like it's always like um, and I don't want to say it, like this was always like seeing like Santa Claus and the Elves, or Santa Claus and his wife at Santa Claus, you know, like if you just see

Santa close by myself, it's not Christmas. It's like I want to see like the bag. The bag is a character too, And when I see both of them, for lack of a better term, I see Santa Clause, I see the Elves, I see the bags, the clocks, I see the sling. Like you know what I'm saying, Like me, like I'm always that. That was my first international new hit, and I was proud to and I remember, for what else, saying, no one listens to me. So that's what I remember.

He's like, no one shots me out. That's why I wanted to put that in the n E. P t U. And he has to be like one of the best. And I just seen the fuation and you know that was that was you was their group, and it was like, that's what I'm saying. That's why I keep bringing up grinding. It's because for us, like I said, and I said it earlier for us to even go out there and

see that this is a different world. We just thought, Okay, there's Virginia, but zoom zoom and the boom boom this girl's running around with and they're like, oh, these niggas is selling crack. Oh, this is why I think it so crazy. We too holy everywhere. And then even even even because he was coming from Newport Beach and we're just saying, okay, Newport Beach was like, all right, they gotta be something nice about that, and oh oh no

Virginia Beach. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah from something terrible literally, yeah, but he's from something very terrible. But like you know, back yeah, it was bags of money, pit bulls rolling around the apartments type shit in his neighborhoods terrible, like listen for him to be who he is, like he made he made a definite choice to say I'm gonna be this guy, not that guy because he's from the gutter. Yeah, I've said it so bad. I don't even want to

say that. What calling I mean, I love the name of beautiful people from there, but bro, yeah he's from it. Um really, remember I'm wolcome Toby. Yeah he's probably, but he does not want to be a part of it at all. And he made a record for me, and it's like thinking, stets up. I don't know if you remember this record. It's all the um it's one of the clones out okay, And he's just talking about gang banking. Remember what we're talking about, gag like like sts up?

Remember walking looked at me and it was like, this is your fault gang banging. He doesn't want to talk one gang kid, He doesn't want to talk about no tough godship until you walk into I remember, I was just it would be so funny, man, you know, he he morphs into you know, whoever he's around. That's that's that's like Robley one of his best you know attributes. That's why when you say you tell a story or whatever, the kid like you know, super Thug is rambunctionous because

that's how he sees you exactly. You know what I'm saying. At that time, that wouldn't be a good producer because a specific artist. Yeah, I always say, uh. The first time I was produced produced, for the first time I was really produced was Clark Kent. After of course that was produced produced. I've seen Clark records. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, asked him, who do I need to I talked to Clark Kent. Yes, forgot it. That's that's crazy. I never

knew you. Clark was the first person to actually because I knew how to rhyme, I knew the today I would I would, I would come into the studio with twenty four bars and thirty six bars and like, this doesn't make sense in the world. You have to structure this ship. So Clark was the first person to produce me. Then the first person to produced me but without giving

me the was track masters. The first person would be like, yo, look here's how the intro to sound his desk, his dad all you gotta do is do your part here and that's it. That was like he gave me the keys to the fucking car. He gave me the vanilla tree to smell good. He came out. You know what I'm talking about the at the voice wagon jether. You know what I'm saying. All I had to do was just go in and just rhyme and then like you

know what I mean, God noise boy. Before we get out of here, I want to speak about this y'all ofting, but I want to say something real quiz I've been on this dirty day, you know, uh, non drinking thing me shout out to thank you. I appreciate that, but it was because a couple of things. One thing is I'm never gonna ever, ever, ever, ever, ever drink before an episode. Again, I've already had that rule. I've already was supposed to do that. I can't blame being drinking

on like, uh a problem with a professional drinker. The problem is sometimes I take or I use information, Like when I looked at the information and I look I actually cringed and I looked at the episode where I spoke about um, I've made it sound like eminemic gave automated like yoo, it's either you're gonna uh have fifty perform or I'm not gonna show up. And that was not it. What it was was I was being drunk. I was trying to like hype up the episode, and I was using words and I'm using it so I

was trying to be relation converstion. That's crazy. My articulation was not articulation. So when I look back at it, there's no one called me. When I looked at it, I was like, that's not what I am, That's not what this show was about, and no way shape for my past. Was then that I heard it was an

alter the native that uh think that? And then and me looking at fifty and how fifty you could look at it too, I'm looking like, okay, you know, as much as fifty has done in his life, for me to say that, I understand how he could have took that the wrong way. I gotta stand how Jacob took that the wrong way. I can understand how I am going took that. Even me using the ference the white boy, I just didn't like that. I looked at it and

I crin. You know, some of my closest friends are right and I just didn't like the way I said it. So for anybody who saw this footage, and you can clearly see I'm slappy, but that's not that's not the excuse. I do this for a living. So this was my fault. I'm clearly was in the wrong. I clearly the way I worded things, and clearly saying certain certain things that I might be mining set period. I would like to

you know, you're talking about the Snoop episode. A Snoop episode, you should say you did drink before the episode hopefull all the way to the West coast y. And that's so. And there's only two episodes in this whole time that I've looked at and I've cringed, and I'm gonna tell you the other episode. You know, don't look at them. I don't look at none of these episodes. I gotta beat nuts. That's not a beat Nuts episode. Beat Nuts

deserves to come back. Nuts to drink. They need a real drink chance because that and I try to stop that drink chance and you're drunk as won't let me stop it. Damn now, everyone everyone on everyone else want to say, no, you bull I don't take something anything. Yeah, said, so you know again and again that you know I'm I'm dealing with real, big names and real so there were so many you know, uh, you know, different opinion. Don't pick yourself up. I just want to straighten now.

I just want to straighten now. Now, let's just let's be clear. I want to get this one story straight. Now. Justin timber Lake might be mad at me for this, okay, don't. This is another one of those times Parrell came on here, sat on the same chier you got, and Parrell said he stopped He had stopped working with Justin timber Lake because at the time just Timberlake was on job. You guys have beef a job, and respectfully, he didn't want

to continue that relationship. I dropped it for episode. Two weeks later, I've seen Justin Timberlake in Carbones to the Timberlake comes up to me. He taps me on whether I believe it's my shoulder or or might have been. He might give me a little over. He gave me any times you might, he said. He said that that that story is not exactly true. So I go, okay, and I come on here and I'll say exactly what he says to me, the story is not exactly true. And then because great he was to say that. So

I want to hear from you. Yeah, because you guys had a great relationship, uh, to my Pharrell, Justine, everybody, everybody. And then this, this discrepancy happens with Job. What was your stance on that? Yes, as far as as far as I knew, Um, as far as I knew, Pharrell the Neptunes did not work on that album and Justin had to go work with Tim on that. Yes, because um, because Job would not let the clips out of their deal. I don't know any other story. I mean I wouldn't

even what possibly would be the story. I mean, what what what? What? What? What? What? Was untrue? But oh, I don't know. I never got you never explained. I thought you could know it was true. But it's true that Pharrell did not want to work on the album because of well yeah, I mean no, no, it was like, no, Pharrell wanted to work on the album. He did not work on it. He chose not to work on the album because you know, he felt like Job was holding us hostage and he felt like he had done a

lot for He's done a lot for job. Yeah, for for them not to you know, give him what he felt was his group back. I mean, that's your theoretical question. He has his bills, You have your bills. What happened if Farrell would have done that? And I would have done what if Crime River was Farrell but production as opposed to Diminlin production, and you guys was in what we call purgatory somewhat. Would you would have took it personal with Forrell? Or you would have because you didn't

take it personal? No, no, you know what and I didn't. That was it wasn't even like it was a thing. No, I know, I wouldn't have taken a personal number one, but that was that was that was for real on Yeah that lord, So so you know you want to so you understand why I'd be like, you know, I can look twice when when it don't feel like that,

but like, yeah, you know what I'm saying. So like because he's been consistent for sure, like he listened, he really he stood on that too, and that would have been a big record for I feel like everything the Neptunes did was big for everybody who was affiliated, meaning us, And let's just keep it real. That's probably turned out millions of dollars to stand by, I'm just calculated on tow of millions of dollars. I don't feel for No, I don't feel because they lost a couple of bucks.

You don't feel for millions and millions. He got tweeny. But I was just sitting here and what I'm saying right, well, he did that again. He did it again. Something hell you with Justin? Um y'all worked it out after no, no, no, no, we there There was never no issue like it was literally I didn't I don't even think Pharrell and Justin had an issue. It was just it was label ship was the head of the label and Pharrell, but I

didn't think it was a thing. And then then listen and even since then, even since then, that was that was Verry White at the time. Since then, it's like all it's all cool, like it's all up honestly, Like I see Barry. I talked to Barry. Everything is fine. And it was business too, like you know, like the same way I can see and speak about lawyers and contract everybody. I gotta you know, I eat that too

for sure. For sure. Who go against who neptunes to go against and versus oh, everybody, they go against everybody, Yeah, everybody. I think I think they're gonna he's gonna win against Scott. They're gonna win against Scott. No, they're gonna win against Scott, he says the only person. Neptunes versus Vetrol woman. No, I don't think you can. I mean, I think, I mean I would if I'm if we're gonna talk with Neptunes, I'm gonna just stay with Legacy, you know what I'm saying.

Like timber Damn, right, I think Neptunes and Timberland would be awesome. That's gonna be fire. I think so too, that'd be fire. Yeah, okay, well listen, I'm gonna tell you. I mean, and this, of course it doesn't matter, but um, it don't matter. But there was one time I believe the Neptunes on fort of the charts and Timberland on the other for they you know, something close within that

range exactly. So I mean, I don't know if I don't know if they win, I mean, I don't know who would necessarily win, because it's not all about hits. If you notice that, it ain't about it's about cultural moments. So um, you know, I think that'd be good. I mean it'd be good Timberland against that'd be great. But I think they can go against any then. I don't believe they're getting blown out by nobody. Blown out. No, no, no, no, They're not getting blown out by nobody. It's gonna be

a fight. It's gonna be a fight with all of the best you want to name whoever. Yeah, yeah, I don't think. I don't think there's a lot of people. Hell no, not you made the Prix. Sorry I heard this speak of ice cream is great? Um ship. I mean Jamaine Hill too, though, Like it's like he got a lot he catalog, But I don't know if the catalog. You know again, it's hits. It's hiss, hiss his not all them ships be cultural. You know what I'm saying.

You've seen that ship like you've seen it. You've seen Kiss mix tape you down beat you down like you know that ain't billboard nothing, don't talk no charts millions. You could have put any million selling record against Kiss whenever you wanted to. When he did, who shot your freestyle? Call case closed? Curtains is over? So you know, if if you gotta look at you gotta look at versus really like that, Like versus is way more cultural than it is hits. To me, your battle to cay on versus,

who would I want? I'm not doing it. Let's just just what I did about Kanye shut and I heard that's crazy too, crazy live stepping there. He's still mad at that Kanye. So he's stepping in all the way up. Every verse tis right now. I'm just telling you it's a million percent. He's gonna make sure you, like I respect that, YO, push your man. Let me just say something, man, you're definitely a legend. Thank you a person. I appreciate your person. Um, you know, you're a real person. You're

a good person. But besides all that, um, that's a personal level. But you are one of the last of a dying breed, one of the last people that I know. You said that it doesn't matter about the beat, but it's it's for people like you and like nas. It's like it's always like sixties sevent of your lyrics first, because your lyrics, it's just it's just something that where we want to hear what you're gonna say first, then

we say, okay to be this dope too. You know what I'm saying, and for you to you know what I mean, because they called they they call that dinosaurs they called and for us to be but I'd say, you're inspiring a new breed, to be honest. They want to say, you know, yeah, but bro, that's that, that is the that is the foundation of this ship. This, this takes, this takes a skill set. Then can't nobody

take that from me. I don't care how young, how old, I'm smoking everything until I'm tied, when I stopped competing and I've done, I'm cool. I ain't gonna just exist in this ship either. You know what I'm saying. But nah, bro, yeah, so so let me just keep you with your flowers. So I don't letting you know, man, we're proud of you.

On this side of generation are people the people that really respect real hip hop, really respect you know, the content and and and I think about his twelve records these albums is ninety records right now now by me, you just all classic albums were ten twelve, I think it was eight or something like that. Not like so you even did it that right? Like short and sweet, look straight, look, everything is is dope. We respect you

we appreciate you. We want to thank you to your phrase, to give your flowers to your face, you know what I mean. And we got a number love for you before we get about here. Anything you want to say, anything you got coming on and um you know, just everybody go get that album is almost dry. I appreciate all the loving sport, um man, it's almost dry. Tour starting May twenty nine. Come check me out all over the country, um man, all the festivals. I'm gonna be there,

coming to a city near you. Street hip hop list forever, sniff goddam. I listen to ask questions, how do you get on the bliss of YAO list? I want to be on the because listen, listen on just they just just invited me to the show and say they're gonna dress me and all that. So if we're the same size, I'm gonna throw you a little just today, like I'm trying to keep up. I'm like, I ain't biging in me. Oh my god, mysing, but I need I need to put your tash yes phars because it's be crazy likes.

Listen all here listen. I'm like it's the number of podcast you know that girl and let me see it. Talk camera, talking cameras. Let me just tell you something. No, no, no, I want this camera. I want to I don't let me as a side. Let me tell you something. Are you seeing your friends and family um list? It's full of franks. You don't want Frank's and you're fully your friends and family list. This is a good guy over here.

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