Episode 312 w/ Benny The Butcher

drink Champs. Drink Up would goold be hopeully with it to be this is your boy and what up is dj e FN? This melitatement? Have yaur? Have you drink now? When we talk about I don't want to call the street music when we talk about I wouldn't call the feeling music where you could just here and you just feel it and feel what his motherfucker's is coming from and feel the pain, you feel the struggle, you feel

the filling in the bars. I was just sitting there going through the playlist just now, and I started rhyming. I haven't done that and maybe six years I was sitting there listening and I just started rhyme and I was just like I said, Damn, this nigga make me want to rhyme again, and I don't want to run to run. I don't want to rhyme nigga. God bless me. This man has been the hustler. Hustler, he has stayed out. He's made us single handedly be proud to be from

New York again. We've always been proud of me from New York. Boys, you more one. In case you don't know who the funk we talked about, he told about the one motherfucker own the coming man. I swot I don't like that that music. Just listening to it just now, it was minding me. Uh Like I said, feelings like I could feel it, like I felt like I was wherever you was talking about. I felt like I was dead with you. I'm proud of that ship because that's where I come from and people that came before me,

the Woot Tang's, the Mark Deech. I had to keep on that tradition. But then a time stop where be in the street it wasn't cool and tight ship turned that started all that. Not a squid nick all say, getting no rapping, But did I hear you in a crew and yeah, got that integ me. Why why you ain't slipping Bob and two steps ship? Like we were way better at the way we're doing it right now. You know what I'm saying, And that's just what I tell anybody like you gotta stick to what you good

at and know what I'm saying. At the same time, niggas want to be niggas, want to hang with all the litt niggas and do all the trendy ship. But I mean, you know that's that's for everybody, But the Griselda ship is for Griselda niggas, what I'm saying. So there's hours so it feel more. It feels better just running our own ship and just trying to do some trendy ship with other niggas. It's easy to be yourself exactly. Yeah, I ain't gonna lie even me, well, I don't. I

can't say I jumped on the trends. A lot of times I was setting trends, Like when we were doing reggae through I would go out and explore, is that something that you want to do? Is like you you like you have what you have working for a round? Yeah, yeah, And I've been working with Mike will I've been working with Scott Storch. I work with a whole lot of

different producers. You know what what I'm saying. And you would you would let you would let a commercial record someone produce a commercial commercial record player, you know, the radio friendly ship listen. Of course, I'm an artist for what I'm saying, So you know what I mean, Like fans feel how they want to feel, but I'm an artist. I'm I'm in it for at this point, it's not about the money. It's for satisfaction, as for legacy all that type of ship. But you know what I mean,

Hell yeah, you know what I mean. These dudes is these dudes a legends and they geniuses who matter. You know what I mean? You get your bottle of a stay we mean ship. You got your own. Okay, let's make some much that. I don't know if I get my own ship. So let me ask you, is it is it? Is it harder coming from upstate because it's like y'all the six and seventh Borough, you still New York? But does that make it harder? Does that make it easier?

I had the mean, yeah that's my ship, right, but they definitely make it harder ship, Buffalo, that's the middle of nowhere. I mean, nobody is no blueprint. We we we created the current blueprint. What I'm saying. Yeah, definitely definitely know what I'm saying. But it's like you know we did. We didn't no ship from from what I see, this ship is all about connections and knowledge, you know what I'm saying, Like because it's connected to nobody. We we ain't no ship about the industry or know how

to you know what I mean. You put our best foot forward. So when West came with the formula, you know what I mean. However that is you know, anybody asked me about that and I could know what I mean, But that's just really his intuition or whatever he had. But it should make it way harder. Niggas don't want to co signed Buffalo niggas. You know what I mean. Now that ship goes, let me just say something and

it's I'm a word, is very very careful. When Prodigy was what was approached, They told Prod Queen's Bridge is high, so just say you from Queensbridge, Like if aout to respect it probably wasn't the right thing to do, but he was being a team player exactly right, Yeah, easily said making me from the proms from too, but said real ship because all of that, all of that being from Buffalo, being from the middle of nowhere, and all that ship that was bad or whatever they try to

use against us, it works in our favorite now what I'm saying. So it's a spending you know what I mean, That's what I tell them. It's like be yourself, you know. I mean, remember nor the same thing we've been talking about with Snoop, with with anybody from the South. They were going through it too. The Jersey was going through it too. It wasn't just the region far from from the city of New York, explains him. You gotta explain. So, okay, we always go here, right, this is about from the

South by the way of the West Coast. And he always brings up the time with New York ship on everyone everyone, But what they don't know is don't y'all. So I was still going like New Yorkers like that.

I love sitting down with Jay, we said, because Jay said, he said, I don't know why they It was like he watched us on drink chats and he said, I don't know why they're still mad at us for they're doing for they're doing this back in the days, they said they did it to us normy Z like they think they think they think they think people from New

York's assholes. Yeah, but I know, I know you're not saying that that other reasons, and except Big didn't except Jay that at first took out New York and said about himself when he first came out, he had to work harder in his own state. He talked about that. He talked about that a lot, how he had to grind and how you know what I'm saying. He was he was fighting giants and ship like they talked all the time. No, but me and Ti is one of them, and I always bring up t and I always say

to Tia, you gotta let it go. We got nigga, let you let it go. We just explaining to the history of it. They want to make it, do better with it, but before it is doing better what it was. They got a scar and they and they have if I'm back in the days from how was it like that for you, like like um reaching out at first? Mm hmm, yeah, I got a union. But yeah, but after after everything warmed up. It was. It wasn't hard button. Yeah, you know what I'm saying, not just being from Buffalo,

just being a artist who motherfucker's didn't know. You know what I'm saying, Like, you know, my fucker's won't sunk with you and let you got something going on and you can't be you can't really be mad at him though, you know what I'm saying, because you gotta get something going on. There's so many other people that got ship going on. Get something going on. It's like if you if you ain't heat enough, it's almost like you're doing

something wrong now, you know what I'm saying. So it's like get your ship together, Like Leo Coms just say comes, just say to me, you cannot stand for the wat juice, Like what do you mean, Joe, don't saying right right right? No matter how cool you is, you know, it's crazy. It's crazy. I get. So. I watched The Breakfast Club the other day and I see the homie on there,

and I was thrown off a little bit. There wasn't no distance, It wasn't those shots, but it was like it was something that I didn't see from Grizelda el Um. Did you got opinion on that, to be honest with you, was like him his brothers. So and ain't it ain't like I've never seen you know what I mean? So it's probably like like you said, like y'all, y'all first time seeing it. So it's like I when niggas knew each other their whole life. But Briselda is Briselda, y'all.

People are learning, people are looking at people are learning who we are. You know what I'm saying. You see the west is he did, he did. He had a flint point in when he did whatever he doing. He the brains conway, he the wound, carrying it with the rap he he I mean, he his positioned on that top five lists. He gives a funk about it. And I'm saying he don't like to be slighted. He like his name and unless he like niggas and know his his work, and me, I'm just I'm a combination of

both of that. So it's just you know, I mean, he was just being him, He said how you feel. But you know, I mean that ain't that ain't nothing more than brothers being brothers. Because I'm gonna tell you the truth. I didn't take no offense to him saying that when he signed he didn't get no money. Because if this is the community that we building it, we said we're gonna build something together, then I'm essentially signed myself too, and I'm not gonna give myself no money together.

So I just see nothing wrong with that. But I felt like the outside looking then everyone's gonna have opinions once you go public. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, Like I said that. I said that on on my Breakfast Club interview, how I signed my contract for no money? And I said it in the sense it's like I'm just showing people like that's how should goes sometimes a

lot of times, you know what I mean. And I think he was like more more so saying it like that, and to be honest with you and know what I'm saying, it ain't it ain't no secret man. You know he wanted he that nig is a hustler. That nigga he came through the same circumstances I came through, even workship, he got hitting it. He got what I mean. So it's like, you know, he wanted credit for what he do.

Maybe he feels like you don't get enough credit, you know, what I'm saying, So you know what I mean talking to Ship. That's how he feels because I got a record with him, and he says on the record, I got one more album is done with all parties involved. And I didn't even catchure. I didn't even capture because so when I'm looking at the Report club interview, people was like, you said it on your recket. I said,

that's how about a proposal? I am. I was sitting there there like holy Ship, he did say, And like I said, you know, I come from that camp. I come from a camp with tragedy put us on. I wanted Tragh just to to drag a different amount of I'm out of the story, but I want to try to stay on Trash let me go, boys. I wanted be like, yeah, I want to buy myself off the contract. I wanted him to be like, no, just let me go. As a person that I've been to do that type

of thing. Let me just remind yourself with me and Trash squashed and Trash got together and made sure we straightened it all out. He reminded us that we split four chicken wings and fries together. He had to say that, like, yo, listen, to at all that the ship that we did, all this beautiful ship we got let school back and the four chicken wings and French frience and we went to them. You really got this, You really got the chicken wings

and products. We had to we had to get the nasty hot sauce, you know, you know, you know, the hood hot sauce to fight the pack ship in there for you know what, like you gotta you just gotta remind yourself. It's just like, yo, no matter how much we get, they were gonna remember our dream at first, and we did that ship. So I just want to give that advice, you know what I'm saying, because now that's real ship we get. We get advice like that from from the ogs all the time, you know what

I'm saying. And and and if if they're sitting back thinking that this Brazil the ship perfect, come on, I don't think it's perfect, you know what I mean. It's like sometimes you know, but that's your fault, you know why you're presented it like that. No, we just we just printed. That's just what it is, what I'm saying. It's like, why would people think that though like everything perfectin't nothing perfect like you just said, ain't nothing perfect.

So anytime people get to see some ship, they ain't see it. And then you're right, like I haven't watched the interview, you know, I'm saying. Of course people hit me about it, but I hasn't been on the phone since that we're going on tour. It's beautiful. I'm not. I just I was the person that got felt victim to that type of ship. I was a person that when again, when I wanted to leave the label, and I said I wanted to leave the label, it was a part of me that wanted him to say, Yo, nigga,

you ain't leave it. Like you you can't leave that bro, you know what I'm saying. I mean a lot of motherfucker's like they feel like if me conway going on and like with our own labels or our own situation, they think that's leaving Briseila because you got your only but what he wanted, right, Yes, I do, you know what I'm saying. Yes I do Monarch shout on Monarch. I mean, but I've been doing that, you know what I'm saying, Like like like West new me for that

to always have my own ship going on. So when people see me doing the ship that I'm doing, and it's like I'm drifting away. I've never drifting away. That always was his plan. That's why I sit in the song. This is this is what's playing. Is what he saw because you told me before I knew on some g ship. When I signed that contract for Zell dollars, He's like, yo, budget, You're about to be the biggest ship ever. I don't got a dollar in my pocket. I'm like, I hope

you right, nigger. I'm saying he was right right. You know, it's crazy. I was. I was campaigning for you. I can sit here to be on Depth Jam, even back in the first day. I believe in the first day you met DMX, is that yeah, yeah, remember that day? Yeah? Yeah. It was so dope to see because I is not technically a and all. He's sitting here, I don't know what I'm talking like third person, like third person, but he's not technically and on. But I've never seen him

a hype. He said, the bunch of bunch of I'm just like with me, just like she's Louise. He campaign from you to go to Depth Jam, obviously saying what I wanted to say what the deal didn't get closed? Now, how the hell does the West coast nigga? And we just spoke about this with him as well, how does this man really It just happened because uh, he just gave me some advice that I needed to just basically speak up and say what I wanted or you know what I mean, your has hold up a second, I

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lions get crossed. I'm not saying that was my situation, but you know what I mean, like he made me feel comfortable, like nigga, nigga, you better tell them nigga. I'm we're gonna call him tomorrow. But you know what I'm saying is like he gave me an energy. I was comfortable with what I'm saying. Shout out with the whole Devil Jam and I love def Jam. I ain't gonna I'm a buffalo. And they get signed to Devil Jam,

that's fine, that's crazy. I'm gonna tell you the first day outside of death Jam God, he shut me down immediately happening. It's a very bad thing. I'm going to sign you know you you signed downstairs to don't tell him you coming up stairs. I'm going upstairs to to uh uh to sign my contract. And looks at me. He looks at me just like this. They don't celebrate nigga, And I'm like, what what kind of even ship are you doing right now? Celebrating? It was Christal back then.

I'm like, I got to Christal. I was there. They were gonna smokes and said guards he said, don't celebrate, and I was like damn. He was like, you're gonna have to work harder here then you did independently. Was he right? No, I'm meant to say that for years he was right, But he was right to a certain extent where I expected. I didn't get this is a different regime aptly, And you said you're enjoying it so far.

You So you're saying, because this is a lifelong question that we had major or in pended, you are do you like more? Which one I like more? Really? So boom, I haven't done no devn stating business yet. Just you got to check. This makes a much for that you. I don't be I don't even know I'm saying. I'm just be saying, real ship. It's like, you know, sometimes I think I've been hearing this before I signed the giminy take the longest with the money. I don't got

to check yet. You know, I'm saying it's on the way. I checked my compa. It's coming, bro, it's coming. I'm I just be wanting people to know that. Looking at me, they said, you want a new pair of cases. I don't get that problem. I ain't gonna lie. So he didn't answer me. He said I was saying, I don't know yet, okay, And I'm saying, you gotta ask me this maybe eighteen twenty four months and I'm saying, I don't know, but it depended has been good for me.

And like you said, like, yeah, something you didn't get what you was like, I'm gonna expect. I expect certain things. I don't expect everything. No. I thought I was signing to the Yankees, and then I realized, like the Yankees don't sunk with each other neither. You'd be seeing these giving each other five you don't know, and when they turned around some of the things like fun this nigga like he's home running. Just had to get them on five.

But you know what I say, But I realized it was like it was nothing together even even even rocket phone. I had to tell uh, they wouldn't tell me. They wouldn't tell me they were breaking up at all. But I wasn't privileged for that information. But it wasn't what it what I expected. You know what I'm saying. I got over there. That's why the biggest keeps saying, um, yeah,

because um, you ain't signed a contract. I said, that's how rich y'all motherfucker's was y'all didn't even care about giving me a contract that gave me about change I was saying, up, but yeah it was. It's weird for me, So me personally, I'm gonna tell you, I don't like the independent hustle. The nigga says independent work fifteen times hard, not real. That's the only will. That's what's the most important part of that. That's true. I agree with you, oh co hardly. I agree with you, but I like,

get what I did. You say? You're like, yo, a stupid. I ain't just majors took care of I wasn't one of those dudes like I brought my pulses and backed my second album, So I was one of those dudes that they did fair. They kind of did me fair. So then I got used to it, and boy, when I went independent, it didn't work out for me. He didn't work out. It didn't work out. I guess I wanted to go right back to the major not real ship. That's what I'm trying to see. I'm trying to like

take my ship to the next level. That's what I did it for. You know what I'm saying. Of course, it's a lot of ship just out my reach because I do a lot of ship myself, Like you said, you know what I mean, Like yo yo West West really showed me everything just by being him, what I mean, And I took a lot of ship in my own hands, and I do a lot, so you know what I mean. Like and then you need a break. But you know what I'm saying, And I need like I need to

get some big records. I'm saying, I love, I love everything about being a major. No, but see look the difference with him and a lot of artists that are independent that go to majors. You go with that mentality, you could take advantage of the situation versus or does it goes straight to the majors? And I would saying that I'm saying for you, so you don't gotta sound like you're being cocky. But depth Jam needs you, sir, you know, and you know what and and that's another

big thing. They bring it touch you over there. It's a new team over there, and I'm part of that. And I'm part of that new team. So it's like everybody got a chip on their should over there, you know what I'm saying. So you know, what I mean, we all we all, we all got that in common. We all got that, you know what I mean. We all want to show what we're about to do. So I like, I like being a part of that. And I mean, yeah, I'm telling you, when it works, it works,

when it works for your favor. Really is one of the best things in the world. You can go on tour. You go, you gotta support, there's no rather support like a major every city the street team just coming downstairs and giving you you know, have to see it. Man, I gotta say. I gotta say this though, shout out the motherfucking Ghazi and oh yeah, I gotta say that. Guys ain't email because their system. You know what I'm saying. I helped build my ship up off of their system.

You know, I mean, motherfucking uh plugs I met no, no, no, no, not plugs. Motherfucking tend to talk three Burton approof motherfucking tend to talk for I'm saying, that's all with them. So I helped build that, helped build my ship up over there, and they do a lot of ship but plugs I met one and two. You know, I'm saying I did those on my own and what I'm saying with John Jack collect next record, Harry Fraud, I did them ship on my own. I'm saying, how do you

look up with Alchemists? My first time, my first time in l A. I went to the out house and I recorded a song for the album The West. It's like, Yo, this this nick a nice or Aul probably heard some ship so he let me rock only did one song, you know what I'm saying. So I mean I was still on the short leash ship like that, but end up end up going back and forth, and I'm saying, you know, I'm hungry, and we made some good ship together. What I'm saying, that's what we wanted up to y'all.

Period is Guten Callus Monado owns classic materials. Well that's my guy right there. Material and uh An Altamist. I would go to Altlamist crib and he would play with your ships so bad, like the error is not dead before anybody else. I was hearing that too, you know what. Yeah, and Los was doing the same thing. Yeah for me, I heard a lot of niggas back back then. I heard a lot of people say that like your out played me some loose ship, like yo, Yeah, lose, lose,

put me back? You know what I mean? Real ship? I ain't. They both got some goods because they've seen it a long time ago. But all how about Kanye West? How did you let you a couple him? Just by him fucking with Griselda I guess, or you know what I'm saying, or his relationship he got with actually just told us to come out there with the Sunday Service mad him and ship like that? Man? How you how would you hook up with Kanye West? Been my little niggs? They just like that he is he is. I'll tell

you this, it's different. I never knew what free men until I hung out with him recently, and we all free right, You're all free back right now. You want to go to Jamaica. You're not just going to Jamaica to the mom. You're gonna say, let's plan it out a week when it make sure the weed man is out there. You want to make sure the villas you got. That's not how you live. Where he wanted to do and he just flew. He's can I feel with you tomorrow? I didn't know if he meant drink Champs or not.

I like this go. They just flew here, and he came early. He wasn't here, so he stood in McDonald's. I'm not going to McDonald's work. Once I hit h Different, it's just me and you walking around no more McDonald was this stick doesn't McDonald and different definitely, So you didn't get a chance to actually um get you on.

But for a person like me, just experience and know what I'm like, You know what I mean, a lot of people don't understand that about me, you know what I'm saying, Like even like what this record with Drake that that you know, people be asking you gonna throw that out there like that, I'm like saying, because I know that, I know that question was coming in. Ye like that, let's make a to that. It's like everybody like, yo, when that when when that? When that record coming out?

I'm like, yo, you need a record with hold. Like for people even to be saying you like that, it's still crazy to me, you know what I'm saying. It was like, that's nuts. God, let me be honest with you. The unicorns in the game funk with you. That's a fact. The un heavy heavy though, you know what I'm saying that, And and I just let me know, like you were saying, like the clouth this this really this this y'all ship.

So y'all respect how we carry it. So that's why you know what I mean, That's why that that's why I love is extended like that, you know what I mean. So when they come back, I'll be knowing what that means. You know. Now that's real. That's real talk, man um. You got a real support system, I tell you the truth.

I didn't see artists support like since like I used see other artists support like kind of where they supporting y'all since Woultank Klan, like you know what I'm saying, Like like like everyone had their favorite out of the

Wolf then you know when they were together. But I always forgo to a woul Tang show back in the days and I would always see a nas there, a big day mall d and it was like, I haven't seen that support from other artists since, y'all that's dope, and they used to be working with us and to be like niggas who who don't even do this type of music sometimes, you know what I'm saying. So this grontel that ship like you said that and make niggas want to wrap me who don't even do this type

of ship. Make niggas want to wrap the niggas who feel like they retired, the niggas who the young niggas. You know what I'm saying. I don't know what the funk it is, man, what I'm saying, because you're doing ship with a lot of artists wish they could do and still make a penny off of the we couldn't imagine.

You're good at it, and I'm good at it, I mean, but sometimes it's just like for me being here, I've been good at this ship for years or that's what I mean, just trying to tell people like you can't we we really been the niggas. So it's like, damn you, it took more than being good at this ship. They depended to take more than being good at this It's like, it's crazy, this is your time, this is your time to show to get some of the some of that

daily o up like that. You're ready hold on us like they get them getting the Okay, what then is up with you? On Freddy Man was Homies went on toll and all this ship really ain't ain't nothing up? You know, what I mean, Like, I don't I don't get to like into like rap relationships with me, you know what I'm saying, because a lot of times it don't be real. That's what I'm saying. Is so like I guess that nigga, that nigga put a tweet up or some weird ship. You know what I'm saying. Yeah,

I wouldn't know why he did that ship. Yeah, I was homby, So that's what I thought. You know what I mean? So is this is this is her first time going through the industry crazy ship. It's gonna happen more and more. No, but it's the first time. Because even even if if if a person do some do something that made me look weird because like you said, like, yeah, I thought that was you. I thought that. You know, many people asking me like I don't know, I don't.

I can't tell you. I don't. You know what I'm saying. So it was nothing that led up to that was like no argument. I can't eat with Jordan's. I can't think I could. I don't know what I'm saying. So me, I don't even I don't even like care though pondering, I'm like you expect that you know what I mean, and I expect that you know this, get you know this ship, get this ship and get crazy because if you if you start letting your feelings in this ship,

you know what I mean. But that that's one thing that I know from being older getting to this ship. I cannot let my feelings in this ship because niggas to break my heart. Real ship then, and this is gonna sound well fucked up, But how I started to move with the industry is I don't I expect niggas to be corny, like I put it, expect I expect people to be I don't expect it to be me. So I started having expectations and that's just saved my life almost because it was certain artists have a funk

with me. Then I'm hot. Then there around me a little more, and then you know, I got cold. Everyone had to go sometimes and then coldness. Niggers won't even answer my calls. So I just said, you know what, I don't just say the same and exactly. But I

don't expect anybody else. I don't spect anybody. And you got that select few who who you wanta met, Like okay, this is like me, you know what I'm saying that was that's a genuine and sometimes it might not be your favorite, or it might not be the person you make good music with, or it might not be the person with. You know what I'm saying, It might just be you know, you know how this ship goes. I know, oh I know, And that's more valuable than that mean.

But like you said earlier, its relationship. Like what I said Gotti, God he was doing to me when he was telling me not to celebrate, was not to have these expectations that I had. He wondered, like he like in retrospect, I do understand what he was saying. It just wasn't that day to say. I think. I think that's what people trying to be trying to tell me, because like, yeah, you don't have the expectations. But that's what I'm saying. That's like people don't know what I expect.

You know what I mean, I expect them to motherfucking hand me performing at the Super Bowl. No, but hell yeah, at the same time, you know what I'm saying. But it's like I'm gonna still do my part. I could never slack and feel like somebody gonna do all to work for me. You know what I mean. Well, it's a great label. I really want to see what they do with you. But this is we're gonna gonna move on.

Come on, this is a game that we play. Let's give him, let's come brothers, let's give my brother come over. Was set up and let me get mine. We don't we don't know if you know our shows about giving niggas they flowers now, let's start saying about but about giving folks they flowers now, and we don't. We want you to know to your face, face to face, man, you land bad motherfucker did s talking monkey footing these motherfucker's and they face. We need to appreciate that, man.

And we got you, We got your back. So this is my Japanese delion. I got to the side right here, some special Javanese DeLand. So damn, Mr League, at your openness. This just looks like it looks like it's about to get drink. Okay, okay, first one, so this is how you want to explain the rules because you like explaining ver. We don't like politically correct answers. So if you act politically correct the answer that way, you're drinking. We drinking

were all drinking, so it's one or the other. But if you say both are neither, we're drinking drinking, leave you outside by yourself. But it's shot still, sir. So we're gonna get you the deli already. You got the American something. You're welcome to my daily I got. Let your niggas give me a trouble. We need you. We will decide still, but we're gonna get you drunk. Don a little bit, Jake Cole or kid you mm hmm Cole? Really,

I thought you're gonna see both. I can't lie you Biggie Smalls or Big help Uh the smallest I would say that too, Kane or rock Camp. M take a drink, so let him think about it. Man, No nigger you are you actually called the kid drink. That was the hardest one. So that was the hardest one so far. But I gotta go. I gotta go rock Camp. That's was that at the verses that everyone really wanted to see rock Him and came. I wanted to see that ship. You wanted to see I want to see that ship.

You know what I'm saying. I wanted to see rock Him both of them. Maga still had a caame with dance and this ship. Yeah he do a split though, can you do that split? Spic the other day? Okay? Um meat meal or fat? Then you know on both my niggas and me, you get a drink and y'all drink that my my wheeze we drinking that those both my niggers. I was spelling that. You know that time was dearly on. It's very nice lass slack on black one little get the tap Japanese stally on. What's your no?

Rick James or Prince Rick motherfucking James? Enough? Good too? Rick? That Ricket is that nigger Rickets that nigga I name my name a song got the rick Man tend to talk three but Rick, that nig we got wet have needed more? Give me the mirror or that nigga something real? Ship man push your teeth or Jada kiss uh kiss. I'm just gonna say that, you know, I was gonna say that. It felt like like like I don't know, I want to I want to ask my push your teeth later? N w wait or will take clan except

that wait your fast? Yeah, because I'm just being I'm naming the niggers why I got personal relationships with it. Okay, you know what I mean. I might you know what I mean. Okay, I'm with that ship that I got one coolgi rapper Prodigy. Take a shot to that, she sh I'm gonna get mine ready, I can take a shot to that. That motherfucker that that song raised me murder music my goose played that ship a million times already.

Oh no, I did. I'm sorry, get your ship always drop, give this ship every night, well side, little my brother. My brother's cold like that. You're let's just say, I don't even happy to do that bottle still sweating, Okay, A Chapaneese Telly on the city Roman kid, Drake, hold little Wayne, drink a little Wayne. I'm gonna say, Wayne, I just did the other ship. Then I picked Drake fro st Wayne. You want that Drake versus to clip. You're gonna see Drake, I said, Drake last time, Yeah,

some last time feeling what I mean? Okay, that's all I mean. Queen l tetha empty light. Light is a rock. You can play that ship shiny peace. Caddy used to play that ship in that caddy all the time. I had lighted the rock shop. French Montana or Rick Ross. It was likely taking the shot. Take a shot, but there go my n I seen Rose last night, shut us a Ross like the Japanese. Definitely, y'all. Maybe I

gotta stop taking big shot. It's a long game, buddy, No your my ship, my ship got slimmerd this so little. I'm ready Okay boom boom okay Jordan and Lebron, fucking King James. I can see that. I can see that. I'm going with the relationships, got strategy, and I ain't gonna lie. Lebron is like the new A and l get real nigger. He knows what he'd be doing when

he'd be doing that. Yo, yo, listen when he when your ship and then with that's like that was like the ultimate cost and Lebron, Lebron never brought to under my ship. No he did. He did home Boy, home Boy. Yeah yeah, that was in he's in college. He was le Bron want back, but the brown body ship. That's like, that's like, you know what's crazy? And listen, I big up to the low boats. My people's math car at him. And this is being honest. It almost feels like when

Lebron bumps your ship five mix. You remember how like if you was getting for Mike's five because of the standard, just go and get your ship, like I know. For in fact, we went gold over just Mike's and then obviously actually had to be good. But I feel like Lagards took over that position, like hell yeah, because last time we he did that ship, my ship was triggered.

You know what I'm saying makes some noise with the bomb and you know why, you know why, and this is this is probably the reason I shouldn't big big enough. But he'd be letting the cursor words playing all that you've been here, Yeah you're thinking, like how big he don't? But ain't crazy watching watching the show, the barber shop show they got watching the football basketball names cuss like a motherfucker. Yeah, the craziest. I like it that, Yeah,

I liked it that. Yeah, Yeah, I definitely do undersputed. This call right undersputed, m get your shot ready, we got one for me? Call me or Westside the too too crazy when the like you gotta take a shot. This is definitely up time. We are definitely I'm sorry said I should I should have I should have dodged a couple of the brothers ship. I'm come on a shot to it. I mean, its a reason I'm right here. Man.

That's fine, man, that's real, that's fine. Dolly. Come on, y'all know nobody got there and one out of this ship. Stop looking. Oh okay, yea, I should be drinking with us, yea, Tupac or dmx uh X. Let's let's you met him definitely because I met him in because it's more, you know, he was my era, you know what I'm saying. Of course I felt pot I was twelve when part passed away.

You know what I'm saying. I remember, like even before I met X, my motherfucker, like I told you, I told him that they was at a pool hall and buffalo before we went up there, I rapped on the nigger Jack he was with Jack. I rapped on his mother fucking answering machine and ship fact. So it's like it's my error, you know what I mean. By the way belly all that ship, I don't think. I don't think i've ever seen dmx CO sign another hardest period like the way with y'all, I haven't seen that period

beside he dragged on. Yeah, ex don't like nobody, but you don't you don't he want that to be known like that day And I said, I got, I got, I've been in the pus it. He sincerely liked you. He was sincerely like he was real a fan. The first something I got to hit the record all the birth together. He played me that new ship. He just played played it some crazy ship, played the ship with bottle. You know, it was crazy that place that we met at the next fo Ever heat there you hang out

the parking lot s. We gotta go back there. We gotta go back there. Give me listen to my album. I start off one of the carts carvo, I'm point cool. I signed, Yeah, I ain't gonna lie yo. Um. That

was dope. Um to get to see that moment. Are you an extra smacking five and just just hugging each other because again, like I said, and actually one of those guys that he I don't think I've ever heard excel a lie like he Obviously he had no reason a lot of meat, But I can't say that about a lot of people, you know what I'm saying, Like he was really like a heaven sent person and for him to go side and for him to be open, but he was open me and you like, go look

at my Instagram, look at that footage. And I was like, damn up. He was like behind the wheel crazy. I don't get a call with him at all. I've learned my lesson. He has no license, need to do why I drive like I don't got no license too. That's the same ship he drives like he got government issues going back? How slow the police are going. I ain't passing the police he needs. I'm saying that that's ship that I'm telling. I'm telling my girl. I'm saying, that's

that ship with people with a license. Do tell none of that ship You're gonna like I'm burning all the time anyway, the motherfucker I'm burning all the time. I'm disrespecting to my call. I'm sorry, telling on yourself. A smart call's smoking your old ship, Hey man, pick up in my fist eggs. You don't smoke in his own call. He got to be lax, hit away by alchemists. M hm. He's trying to make me how many of these questions

is left? It's the only part of the show. I don't got nothing to do with it, But I don't answer the questions. These two motherfuckers. They study you and then they make it the questions as you go. Man. You know Al, I came in and ship with Al and Deringer. You know what I'm saying. I mean, hit boy, we gotta we gotta, we gotta, we gotta a moment in time, a moment in my career. You know what I'm saying. So I could you're gonna hit that Japanese tell y'all exactly, Okay, let's go. I can't choose hit

the y'all of y'all those my niggers. I can't choose. Now. That's that's that's why they even motherfucker's these questions signs. How many of these ships last? I don't know. Okay, it's getting good, it's getting worse. Oh this is easy for me. I don't know for you, almatic or reasonable doubt? Reasonable? Wow, reasonable doubt because like I said, my error, my favorite

NAS album is By Time. I was listening to music and digesting the music, and people are gonna disagree with me when they when they see this is I am. You know what I'm saying? He got the yeah, yeah, that's when my queen's he's africant. That that's when I'm digesting music the right way. I'm fourteen years old and I'm saying so it's like, Okay, you know what I mean. You know you know how to go back and listen to that. You know what I mean? You know what?

And I told us to him the other day. I didn't like Doubt, and obviously I went back and studied it and I love it now because it's a classic now. But I told to the y'all of all the day and he goes, you you always say that on the podcast. I said on him a lot. I was a broke niggab with reasonable dog game. Even later all Fly Ship, he made niggas feel bad about having a four point Oh we in life's a rain drove our suck a call.

We're in a five hundred is a sucker call. That's how much like he was talking that money talk back then, talking about he wearing the platinum ship. Yeah, platinum when they thought it was gold that he was driving. When I couldn't relate to that, she couldn't win. Later, what does he take some of that ship? At four point of get your change what I want to change? Yeah, man,

niggas stop winning jerseys. I remember I used to. I used to play my radio and here that ship on the mix show on the weekends, like going to bed, like going to church the next morning. Hearing it on a Saturday night mix show in jail, not in Buffalo. As a kid, you know, I'm so he just subscribed. It sound like crazy, all right, Oh careressell l L l L. But this is you know what I'm saying,

Like I said, that's before my time. But I heard and from what I've seen that l L never lost the battle, not saying not saying, k R rest one, I ever lost one, but not only that. You ever been to an All show, I've never been like, you can't figure your girl there? You handing out roses and ship what I need. I never actually brought my girl's concert. Just is a kid, y'all know. But I've been to an All concert and I was just mad, like what

the fun? He in the middle of his show, he takes off his shirt and he gets every girl roses, Like if you're with your girl, nigga, ki your roses with his shirt off? This is not cool. The l she can't reach here, she can't reach for one. By the way, by the way, let me just I don't know what I'm supposed to say this. Yeah, I got me out of the time, got me to perform. I'm performing for August. That's crazy and queens. He called me himself. Damn. By the way, I also invited Drink champ stare as well,

because I shouldn't be telling you talking about it. You can't take like that's that's certain things you just can't say no to. He called and said, I know you ain't performing no more. I know you do want some other ship, but I would like to have you perform Drink Change backstage and Juicy Juice far and I just said yes without confining. You know, my partners with Rock the bills on coming home with the documentary like that. Okay, I like that, so yeah they uh yeah, we need

to have cares one back on head. We protected him back here. If your dam was going crazy, I kept trying to change the sun ship. It was still trying to battle on your phone, talking kinds of coffee. It was hilarious. Holy shit. Um m hmm, scarface ice Cube, you can't handle this, but yes you can't. I know what you were saying. I take you, but I'm gonna face I'm gonna go face. You know what I'm saying. I remember relationship wise, uh, I just I just remember,

like having them that Gettle Boys tape. Remember having it Doug and just I mean you have a beskar face did I can't remember. I mean I can't get with him over the phone a couple of times, but I don't think I remember the record with y'all to be Crazy Real Ship. We got a record with the Mechanics. You know what I'm saying. They got the record. But Jim Kelly or Josh Allen, your motherfucking Kelly. I'm on for the Real Bills fan. You know what I'm saying.

I love Josh Shaller. Josh Shallen is that nigger, But Jim Kelly is what I'm saying. Come on, real Ship, Come on, okay, Primo or Pete Rock. Mm hmm, Primo, Pete Rock. You don't hear that, nigga too. I got some some of my best ship over the Rock. I gotta keep remembering, like when when a person makes it, I guess I can't. I gotta keep the straight face begs be getting mad at me, like world up, like where you have to say that. Definitely one of my ships I said classics with Pete Rock. You gotta see

it smoothly, you know what I'm saying. So definitely little baby or young ug mm hmmm, damn little baby or dugger. I take a drink, all right, that's all talking about. You know. I like how I like how how they both carry it. I like them both. When niggas played with Game as honest as me, I'm not sure, sir, something something something. I think Game played it pretty honest, solo solo. It was pretty soon. Alasa Keys is honest. Yeah, he was honest. There's a couple of you know, see

food y'all out drinking a lot. Though, if you are gonna drink a lot, you're gonna drink a lot. Okay. This is where I like the game. M O P or Marty mm hmmm. I gotta go with the mob. I would have had to take a shot to that. I gotta go with the mob. I'm just saying. It's like I'm telling how the great relationship with product y'all. Yeah, yeah, and my first cool soign you guys, I Niggers was drinking bruise with Pete. So it's like I funk with Pete. I know he reached out the Conway. You know what

I'm saying. He knew Conway was even when Conway ain't even think that nigga knew And like said that that was the first tape I ever bought, Like wow, not even the infamous heard of music. That's like the third album, right, because what is it? Because Summer ninety nine, I'm onna point like that, Okay, Summer nine. That point I'm gonna state. You know that one year, you know that one year when you jump up the porch, Yeah, that was that was that year, Summer ninety nine. Let me tell you something.

And I say this all the time on the show. I went to a Mob Deep show. This is when I came home from jail. I still like call Craft soap. You know whom you just come home? You just you you gotta figure out the orro know. You just got me thinking about that White should definitely the second I went too far anyway. So I remember going to a Mob Deep show. A friend of mine, his name is Carlos from Queen's Bridge, and he said, I want to show you what this ship. It's like he didn't even

know it was a rap at the time. Yeah, this is there was a short of Platio, Mark Deep had shoop ones and I think Survival or thes ANDNS drove through and everyone from Queen's Bridge just opened up. It was like eighty knicks and the I strove through an Alexis Ge hundred. He leaned out the window and said, Chris Wordge and the whole block lit up for the communst niggers. And I did not know what that was, but I said, I want that. At that very moment, I knew I was gonna be a rapper because of

what that night was seeing Nas and Mark Deep. So when you say that, I understand real ship. Kanye West Farrell, mm hmm, I'm gonna go. Yeah, I'm gonna go. Yeah. Just wire podcasts or radio podcast outcasts are U g k m hm you g K see that because of the the you know, the attitude, the sauce, you know what I'm saying. This next one, they definitely set you up. Goodness. The effens will only built for Cuban links. You cannot pick God damn, i'nna lie you cannot. I don't even

want you to pick you. Yeah, I can't actually in those drops like yeah, listen, I can't. I can't pick between those two albums. That is definitely a set up. This is even Motherfucker's Man solo, Cheerous solo. That's want a couple more. If we're gonna get about it, Come on, they really trying to set you up? Bro, as far with you, just come around ship at all? Who doing this?

Look at you? But by the way, if they started you in order to make these questions right right right, Baldy James or stove Gard Listen, by the way, I don't let it's over there like shot. It's like shot. By the way, I'm already drunk, so I'm still part of the game. I drinking drunk too. But shoutout jack shot off stove guy. Yeah, but I want to ask about stove God. Shout out our money, our money right there?

I got my money here special. I ain't going on specially special thinking I gotta lose my hip mark car for one day. You're gonna take it from me because I didn't know I was one point. Oh shoot, I take the shot. Try eating drink it out your TV. Have a video music box, video music box. You don't have to explain if you don't want to, unless you want to. No shouldn't remember watching that ship never never, not really ship, just playing whatever they played. Remember that,

I'm the only old nigga, y'all, y'all remember that. That's how it came on the word. Yeah. I was like that. That's what I'm saying, Like I was like a kid watching that ship. That's one of my earliest memories of that ship. You see the documentary, Oh I finally got to see Oh, and you said, got a documentary. But but I've seen the previews for and they saying the nigga who was responsible for I'm like, oh, should I

don't know? He did that ship? Na, right, But this is the reason why you gotta watch it, to see Nis go back to being a fan and he's actually intered. He's actually interviewing Ralph. He's following Ralph for a round to see this rich motherfucker you do humble hisself? Right. That's it is very good to see, you know what I'm saying. It's very very very good to see juice a new Jack City, Juice juice, you know what I'm saying.

And that was that ship the baby or twenty one seven mm hmm one twenty one see, and this is the last one. This must be a good one. I want to say this is a trick question, but it really is not. It really is not loyalty or respect, uh respect respect. Everyone is slayings this money. What I'm saying, it's like it's like sometimes I might not even need you to be loyal to me, but I'm gonna need you to respect me. That's what I'm saying. It's like

those who those who give their loyalty I accepted. If I'm not gonna force no loyalty, if it's only respect there, I take that. You know what I'm saying. Right as simple as that. We always say that that's the only the real time to take a shot because we just feel like respect can't live without loyalty, loyalty can't live without it. Like it is. It's really they really go hand their hand. But you know what I'm saying, if I had to pick one like you, you gotta respect

my ship because you know so so so much. Come with respect. You know what I'm saying. I respect that you know answering these questions and you're talking about the age that you were at and generationally, like, how did y'all craft the sound that sounds so nostalgic to us, Like how do y'all craft that sound? It's still it's still still new. No, it makes brand now made it yourself,

made it your own, completely reintroduced it. Man. Uh, the foundations the foundation in Western deringtiphis recording that dare at your house in North Buffalo, you know what I'm saying that. And I went over there early early before the Shady deal. And I'm saying because it's like, I mean, Special was doing our home thing when they when he was doing the thing I always do a thirty eight Speci was rap because he had because he had to because he

didn't got the ship joint rap. But like you got me, but it's like me, it mean his son against the rap, you know what I'm saying, that's what that should mean. But motherfucking uh, I funk with niggas like Special and the other upstate niggas because that's where that pressure comes from. Everybody keeping they get sharp in the boot. But yeah, because that that that's like a all scenario that you got going on. It's your whole It sels like your

holy color. Yeah, especially with stole Um. He was down to Boston. I'm guessing you know it didn't work out or whatever. What made you guys embrace it? I think I think you know West West is Griselda Record, so we's gonna seek the talent for its label. So stop know that. To be honest with you, I think he is. But I can't. I can't be all the way short.

I think it's getting too much money right. But but we're even if he I'm talking about like paperwork wise, Emily, you know what I'm saying, to see you on my album and whatever you need for me. It's like, you know what I'm saying. So to me, he's Griselda, But uh, it's like it's it's our own it's our own ship like I would saying earlier, And that's what we're gonna do, you know what I mean. And I think West saw him out because he feels like he kind of fit

his clothing and the same thing. I'm like everybody else. I didn't just I didn't just listen to it and just was hooked off of it. I heard a couple of times I'm like, Yo, this nigga got it. You know what I'm saying that I mean, so got the major deal? Um can't way, Uh, side of shade, do out the project or shape? What's next? What's next? Man? I think I think like what we've already been doing,

but pushing the envelope further. You hear how you hear Conway brought in his ship on his album, You're gonna hear that from me. You're gonna hear it in a bigger way. We're about to do. Of course we're gonna do another album together, but with shein't going to uh should were doing movies? Know what I'm saying. I'm I'm doing this movie that I got in the works. You know what I'm saying. I keep some ship up my sleep and you know we're just gonna do everything real ship.

Knaway got drum work. What's he doing? What he's doing? And I'm gonna keep I'm gonna keep my foot on Nigga's neck and I'm you know what I mean. Like, but the depth jam ship is like I wanna my ship gotta be because they'll the depth can yes, yes, yes, yes, you know what I'm saying. Everything is Griselda's gonna always be Griselda. You know what I mean. But it's like my ship is to catch levels? Is it take Lottle levels not feel like dem chamber was the only way

I could. I mean, did the Griselda family have a hog? We know the sun? Yeah, we know. We talked about it on here. Yeah, and I tried to know. I connect Bore. I connected Conway with with Michael, Michael, Griselda's son. Yeah, and we had a freeway Ricky and Michael on here. That's my homie, Michael's and it was all four. He just wanted to have the conversation because you know, that was his mom's and so he's like, yeah, I love what they're doing. You know, I just want to have

the conversation with them so they know. You know, it's my family, and I take it serious. And I did connect commay. I don't know if they spoke, but I connected them. I talked to you here hip hop hip hop. Yeah, I'll talked to him because you know, it's the bank Griselda obviously. But that's when the cocaid prices was lowest in New York. Because that's what I said. I'm like, damn, she was a queen's she was finished come by. I

didn't even think about it. I thought of that too, and that's why That's why I say that to say that because you know, um, you know that's really his mom. So like like that's like like fire that he's the last living because the brothers all got you don't killed. That's how real that ship is out there. And he you know, he like he got stories at the house. He's like bodyguards around them because now he can't remember Candle he came with and she was crazy. She was

the last living son, you know. So yeah, yeah, I kick it with bro. Yeah he could do that ship? Is that ship? Is it? So? Man? You guys to overseas yet? Now we're going though, We're going motherfucking uh in the in the april, top of man, I'm going over there. That it gonna be crazy. It's gonna be gonna be crazy. I was filming a documentary in South Africa. This is like three years ago, hasn't come out yet. The film. It's the thing I did with Rock the Belt.

And we went to this underground station in Johannesburg. The first thing they played as Griselda Hardcourt. I'm saying, that's what they called it, and that's how they with us that that's true. I was surprised to hear it that they would stop on it like that. You know, yeah, that that is when you wanna relax and just get that overseas money. It's the best thing that made me. That's the only thing I missed about being like I.

I got the date's book ticket selling on it. We got a passport, so he got you he does today? He does. Yeah, he doesn't put him with today. I came to funk with y'all. He gave Kanye pass and the game. I think my ship, Yeah, I need ship ship. You gotta Dominican, so it might be it might be a Dominican passport. Yeah, yeah, you get game in Stoppart too. Just just call alright blind, Yeah yeah, you get your

Dominican passport and I need one. You know sometimes, but when I think I'm Dominican sometimes the size version ship. I mean sometimes you get that too. Hum, Holy, wontly clock a boy man? So I'll say, I'm not gonna tell you who, but they fail that you might not think push your teeth it's real. Mm hmmm. I don't know who's in me this. That's crazy. Ain't tell me send it for that. I think they said, maybe you say your credibility as a hustler asked him if he

thinks other rappers are not real like push you. Yeah, I can't. I really can't speak on you know what I'm saying. No other niggas, but I funk will push. I funk will push. I funk with, I funk with like all that everybody who represents that cocaine lane, cocaine streets, you know what I mean, Like it's the streets. Really, you know what I'm saying. People call it cocaine rap, but it's really the streets. But I funk will push.

I don't know what I mean. I don't know why nobody say that his Army's commercials that I funk will push like everybody in the lane, you know what I mean? Like I got more notes think so Also you can ask me anything. Yeah. Also, you got a song with Russ, right, russa Russ a good guy. Let's drink at Some numni say to come back about it, but they say something about Rus and this is we had the one drinking. He has no in between fans. It's either and I

caught that people. I caught that from working with him. I caught that from working with him. Some people. Some people was talking about it, but motherfucker's loved me for at the same time. And man, I think a lot of herters got that you ain't. You don't just have. You don't just have. Like a group of motherfucker's who hate you were like, it's the Internet going on. I was like, motherfucker's who hate you, they get on there and tell you like, yeah, we don't like you. Yeah,

block out niggas. I feel like that's how dream Champs love us. I ain't gonna lie to my block, but he taught us that he was the one that really advocate. Just blocked the motherucker. Now you gotta block niggers when they come to your space, when they come to your page talking, you don't want to look at that ship. Get the funk out of here. And I blocked the

heart niggers too. Art. Yeah, everybody want logos, No Bit'm talking about And sometimes when they and the niggers who promote on my patgers, you can't like the niggers know me, Like in Buffalo on Facebook, I'm notorious for arguing back with niggers. Can't be doing one that we gotta get you the time I'm arguing back, let's describe. Let's describe on Facebook. Yeah, but they're definitely gonna ba, so describe

what happens. I wanted to hit you and says, then up, man, you know what, because look not everything, but when I the personal shape the person like a petty nigga, I'm a lot of petty nigger. But because I'm get petty, very petty, don't say they got hit from you. That's what I'm saying. I got to get paid beat petty. But you're not exactly petty. I'm so petty. I'm sold.

So some I didn't went up there, and you know, it was like yo who It was like Yo, Benny really that nigga is and another nigga put up there. It's like, man, I really don't funk with that nigga. It was like it's conway for me and uh and uh and they say it's on your page. Yeah, there having an argument on your page and it's like it's comfy. He's like it was kind way for me and uh that nigga. Benny said something on the interview, but but it was something that was said but I didn't say it.

But in my head's like it's personal because you you made up your mind that I said it. I didn't even say the ship. So I was like, yo, it's definition. I can't get petty. I can't get real petty. I can get petty. You know what I'm saying. And that's what they don't know that. That's what they don't like that. They don't like that, like damn, like nigga YouTube, ain't you Ain't you too busy to hit me back? No one not. I might be on my way to a

million dollar meeting, but I'm petty on the way. Leave me the along I got and I got one superhater. They canna make an account for me every month and I know it because he dys lest it like me. So I can see the sing baby, and he'd always say something like that just happened on drink chance, Like it'll be like, yeah, so you didn't say that to at least your keys, And I'm like, like what I another but blocked him in. I feel like they keep flopping up and you know, like I gotta understand that.

I'm gonna understand that. But what I do, what I want? What's my ship is this this new year is to try to pay attention to more of the love than the hate. And I've been working on that. I'm not perfect. I've been working on that. Look what you just said. You said that one dude said Vinnie's and ship, and another dude answered and said, Benny's not the ship. It's not and you answered the nick of that, that's a fact.

That's a fact. That's the first thing that y'all I say thank you sorry for And that was like, that was like, no, I don't feel sorry. I feel sorry for bullshit. What kind of luck do that? Like I said, only when they try to take personal shots at you know what I'm saying, but what we got going on. But if they don't know you personally, it's not personal. Let me just and they're trolling, they're trying to get you to answer back. You're giving them what they want.

That's really Listen, I'm just being real. As we said with your buddy discussed this, I could get petty, so sometimes I might do that on purpose. Now you've got now you've got a hundred fans who riding with me, not even your asks, not on even gotta do nothing. I'm just being real, like its petty ship, get deep, like Kanye is the product petty snick mat He got me that Nigga called him Ski and made him he made play of Yo. Did you not see? That's what I said? Ye I was listening, said I'm like, I

called another to that thing. I'm like, damn, he he got shot store like killing killing subs. Listen. I don't know who screenshot of this ship, but he had put up a post that Kanye is so powerful his every free comment with skick skickski stick sticks kicksikiki kick. I looked like, this is fucking I don't even know if I would abuse my power, just the fun the way

we learned this. But then yeah, because he don't have to promote nothing, he could just say I'm there and then do you imagine how Pete Davison concert looks right now? What what he can just I remember fifty said I bought the first three rows of jar Rules show. Remember that was crazy. That was like ip to me. I was like him, I would you can't buy that many tickets that I've been trying to buy six tickets at a time. After this tough six tickets and cony, he

could just say, let's go to Ski show. As soon as he grabbed the mic that his fans are loyal, real ship, they love they love you. I think I think the documentary brought him eating closer to you. That's what I'm saying. Did you see I didn't ye documentary because because me me, I'm gonna be honest with you. This ship to me is like moving poetry. You know what I'm saying. I'm I'm a real like another ship killed by the way, because because it had a sound

like that, because I studied this whole ship. I didn't even I didn't even want to watch it off off the rip because I knew I was gonna be so inspired off of that ship already. One yes, I did then playing that music and no one was looking at him, nobody.

You know what I'm saying, Real ship, real ship, And I can identify with ship like that, and I'm happy and I'm happy that it's out there for the people, for the young artists and entrepreneurs to see like that's part of the game, that's phase one of it, that's part of it, because a lot of times they don't think that's part of the ship, and that he stayed the same, he's the same person, part of me. Swear to Golf, I think it comes to my white both to the juice bar. It comes to the juice bar.

He says, nor can you bring me back to the hotel? He asked me personally, so I said, of course. So we be driving. He plays his new ship for me. I'm not looking at him. It did not like it. He just kept bopping until I made I contact him to say he did him the documentary and then when my party made I'll come back. That's when you see the video where I'm like, I just think I want me to ball. He's still the same way. And I told him that, I said, yo, watching the documentary. Actually,

uh maybe see I even appreciate you more. But not only that, because we all remember when people funding on us. We all remember that, you know what I'm saying, We alright, woman as an artist like business people and uh you know, you know, marketing department and retail, they could never know how it feels to go play a record that you know it's a hit and the person is just sitting

down give a fuck. It's not a good fear that some of your best work about what I'm saying, Well, so you put your heart into and they don't give a fun to fuss. I don't spit like versus and rooms where I made quiet and he's going to change the subject. You know what I'm saying, Like you know before all of that ship, you know what I'm saying. So but dude, I grab for real. I run them to every executive and people was like, his shirt is

too tight. I was like, what anything? Only that was judging his appearance versus the music, and he had to he had to choke her hits. His change is very tight. It's true that I stopped, just stop. You can see a little bit of his I understand what they didn't the first, But I said, I looked at the music. The man looked at me and said, no one listens to me, but if you listen to me, you gonna have a number one record. And I just believe that that who make what made you believe? You stor what

made you believe you know? Like his confidence. He's humble now, but he's he's front you see what with y'all? But I mean he's still cocky, but he just don't want to show it now because because he really got the bag now. But back then, my album was over in r E album signed still delivered I handed it to the record label. And if you actually listen to what do what what what what? People actually listen to it real good. Um, I say it in the in the ending, I go nr E Nori. The remix super Dog was

never h super Dog. It was the remix to n O R E dam because the album was already closed. So he gave me we would see these old school so he could gave me. You got to laugh. You have let me get away with that one. But he uh, she played me two beats and then he said the derby. He said, don't listen to to get to Miami. And at that time I was like, what they go, I'm the man me. Don't listen to that ship you get

to Miami. I had the number one recordar New York, no more work at this time in New York, number one in the world. Sorry, that's the ship people were talking about. I know. And I remember I got to Miami and and he was at the kid Hotel. Yeah, yeah, there's a foul hotel. And then Shorty started coming at me and then I realized like chicks and she was like, oh you want to party? I said, oh, see your hooker. So I in upstairs and I put the sheet in the first time I ever heard they said, man, well

Mariega in the Philippines. And I knew he was a genius from that moment because I wrote that whole ship like that, and I laid the whole ship at one track. That's crazy that that that's one track. That's not there's no punches. Your young niggers don't know about that. No, that's crazy. No, that's one track. And then and then that, and that was y'all And that was your first ship. That was our first ship. And even the hook was

the hook. That's how I count bars. What what what what? What? What? What? What? What? What? What? What? What? What? What to what what what? Mixed the record and I was like, we can't use that for a hook. They're gonna laugh at me. He said, you're gonna laugh on the way to the bank. He was right. That's why you again, one of them geniuses. I never got to work with You got to. You got to work with

him and got the drake before known. Yeah, you got you got to, you got That's what I'm trying to say, Like that depth jam ship said, I'm asking them to connect. That's what you want from them. That's what you connect the stuff. Yeah, take my ship to the next level. What I mean, because I take that ship serious. You gotta think that we representing the whole the whole region,

a whole different genre ship. This ship responsible for a whole lot of other niggas putting their ship on it doing what they need to do, you know what I'm saying. So I take this ship serious. So, like I asked you earlier, I said, like, would you make a commercial record? Because that's probably like when it comes to real spitters and real streets, that's what that's what they say about all of us. Like, yo, so where's the hits? But hold up, But did you think when you were making

super though you were making a commercial record? Because I think you gotta be careful saying that make a commercial record. I don't think he should make a commercial record going into the booth, I'm gonna make this commercial record, you know what. That's how you don't make records going in and do it like that. But you know, but I think that different because you you you the land with different producers and they playing and how was it for you?

But like, yeah, because that was a good question, Like did you feel like he was making a commercial record was super dark. You know, it's the crazy ship and I know you know this story, this is real talk, you know what they said. And super Ti first came about that's too dark because one they didn't know for real. It was like, you know, they thought he was a gamester because they had to hit him speaking. But like, oh ship, this thing ain't gonna hurt the popefly, you

know what I'm saying that. But like, but but then my image was so dark. So if you look at the video, we have no dark time cs. We all daytime. So we food the commercial radio to embrace it. But at first people who said that was a dark record. But what region accepted at first b d S spens on radio. Remember the way that we took it in miamis we wasn't here in New York artists on that tempo. It was what attracted us to it was like, oh, this is what we want, you know, we love these artists.

And then they're doing now records that the beats we can we can relate to these beats. And that's that's why you're absolutely right, because I ordered it wrong when I said I commerce your record. But what it shouldn't be. Is you want you want? You know, what's a better word? I asked them record right, So it's like this this,

this is my opinion on that ship. Like like when you come from the underground like me, like Griselda, do right, and then you uh, you get you even getting near that line where you're thinking about crossing over, the fans gonna bury you over. They don't like that ship cross over without crossing over. No, no, no, not real ship though, And that's possible. I think about it. Is when when when you come from when you come from the industry

and get on some underground ship, is it's regular? But in my opinion, are the top niggas Are all all the people you considered top rappers and niggas who who are available for the throne currently or whatever always did both? For what I'm saying, So the same people who sit and complaining about the ship, they're gonna listen to it too, you know, say the top guys always did both, you know what I'm saying. No, I haven be some moist

of that. That is really okay. I got more notes thinking, come on, let's go, baby, but don't go into making now. I'm not going in there. You know what I'm saying, doing no ship but the Island Boys and no crazy show niggers. It's hard by Yeah, I said, touring, How did it? How did the book? All these independent shows? People can't sell what does not? And you are not streaming? Mm hmm. I think. I think like basically, how you know on some independent how the independent hustle come from you.

I'm selling out the shows obviously because because the independent the fans, the underground hip hop fans, you know, you know how they go. They they die high, die hard, and they know about everything you got to sell them in. Their opinion matters the group, that group of people, opinion matters, So they come out the shows, they spend money, they like doing that foundation exactly. You know what I'm saying that.

And the dudes with the dirty sneakers, yeah yeah, and you know we we imagine what you think about these sayings joins. Are the dirty sneakers that are buying the ticket though, and buying the merch they obviously not spending it on the sneaker there, And we know and I don't got no plaquein or nothing. Yeah, I'm working, That's what I want to I'm giving me a plaque foon like that. But you know what I mean, like, I'm I'm selling out the venues the niggers with plaques. The

type of ship, That's what I'm saying. Consider this the first plaque right here. I'm gonna put on type of ship there and those last forever nice. Oh oh no, no, no no what he was saying with the head drop, but well he blew up. So Michael Jackson called the nigga like, you know, I want to work with you. Uh told the story, by the way, this is one

of my favorite stories. That said that story. And he goes, so he says, Michael Jackson a whole bunch of billy ge tape of Phield and Michael said, nigger, I want to I want to do with Noriega with Rome two, one of my best stories that michaels like, man, holy, So look, let's let's just be cleard. What's going on? Backwoodswords, Buffaloto. You know what I'm saying, buffal lot. I didn't even

eat that buffaloo. We got your ship everywhere I'm wanting and then get mad at me when I say this, I smoked the best out of a lot of rappers. You know what I'm saying, I smoked the best. I'm not saying I smoked the most, but I smoked the best. You know, I'm saying, shout out the rapper's first choice, uh, Smoker's Club, pack Woods. I'm aligned with all these marijuana companies because I smoked the best. Think you're mad at me when I say that. I don't know why. So

how about Cookies and Burner? Yeah, I funk with Burner. I'm not saying I mean I'll fun with Burners. Everybody that's like a that's like a badge on what I'm saying that. That's what I'm saying. For chance, we got Tyson. Tyson's working for freedoms. In fact, I ain't telling Tyson thought of the types of said we want you shoot on the show. He was like, genius, you see that piece missing out of building. Now you want to give him? I can't be only when I want Jesus really do

live next to me? Um? You and Emery m hm? How does the relationship start? Is this in the can man in jail like Emory. Emory was in the same spot I was in right, and everybody knew he was holding man. I mean, like, like you know, because it's almost was a rumor that he took whole case. That was always like the rumor. No one knows this is true, ain't But did you ever know that part? Hell no,

I never knew that part. Yeah, the rumor is whatever he got caught with he was on his way to see Whole, or hold was on his way to see him. Whatever he got caught when he took, he took the blame for everything Emory. Emory is solid nigger. Like I don't, I don't know what I mean, who told me some stories? Ain't telling me that I'm the rung I ain't gonna be I'm gonna be honest with you. Whole told me some stories. You know what I'm saying. Some ships I I can't share them ships not we need to keep

that relationship. And now that's a fact. But but that's what I'm just saying. That is like nobody. I wasn't one of the niggas who was gonna bother Emory. I was the nicest thing in that jail rapping and me and my niggas, we was doing the most craziest ship things. It was. It was it was at a it was at a federal camp. He was leaving a camp doing ship coming back, weeding all type of ships. So we

was hopping there. Really it's not like real ship. So it was finger popping ship when you got, when I fingerpopping when I left and I got, I was getting with ship. She said, I left ship. That's a fact. Like this this story. Now that's a fact. Like when I when I was at uh when I was in Atlanta USP, it's like a it's like a it's like a hold over until you designated to go to your spot. And I had like a year left, so I was only going to a camp. But the nigger was telling

me that. He was telling me, like, Yo, I was at the land. I left, I went to the mall, and I'm like, he went to the fucking mall. I'm like this nigga lying. Nigga Hill told me he went to more I swear to God is when he told and told he told me that, you told me that. And then when I got to where I got, I understood that she was loose as a motherfucker. But this is a hookup. You've gotta pay the guards or the guards just turned. You know, you gotta hop the fence down.

So they got to the chatship the ship some yo, this ship like some James Bond second ship, because they do the count. They do the count right and when they did the count, they gotta walk past because it's it's a it's a medium jail right next to it, so they just sort of, uh, the guards from the medium jail come over to do the count. So's nobody watching the perimeter right after they do the count, like there's some there's some real sophisticated ship right now to time.

Its real ship. You gotta through the gate, the blanket over the barbed wire, like I'm not thinking too much. No, you ain't thinking too much because it is watching this. It's real ship. So nigga, After the guards walked past me and my celly, I wish my Shelly he'd tell he was with me. I was with him. Actually, your motherfucking I'm when when a guy walked by the count, I'm reading my Bible under my cover like I'm sleep. It's real ship. When he walked past, I flipped the

cover off. I'm fully dressed. I don't boost but leave out the back door. Yes, it was a tall gate. You gotta go through the gate like real ship. You gotta go through some water, barbed wire. It was like a navy, like an army, like BASI was like tanks the ship in the next yard over like real ship. You know, this is some of the craziest shot I ever did in my life. I don't know why I even did this ship. Ninety days left. When I did this ship, you might have to face seven years if

you gotta got caught. But it's like this. My celly was doing it, and he was doing it every week. Sometimes he was doing it every day. It was that easy. I called him right now, my nigga saying man, but it was like that she was crazy. But anyway, I said all I just say that Emery was in that jail, so we was hot as a bit had jail and I was I wrapped in that jail a couple of times, so I know my name was popping around the ship and he who he was. I never bothered him in

that jail. I didn't want to because I'm not I'm not. I'm like, like not like a thick riding there for what I'm saying. But when he linked up with West, he was like, oh, you know what I mean, I know him, what I'm saying, So then we kicked it. And you know, like when you're staying on the other side of that wall with niggas who you've been in there with, you both looking good, both of good situations. That's like a brotherhood. That what I'm saying, no matter what.

So you know, I mean, Pol was like my real brother. We we knew each other on the street, but we met in jail. And it's nothing I wouldn't do for Capol, you know what I'm saying. I'm for sure there's ship that he want to do for me. But you know it's a little crazy, but that's my bro. That's my bro. And yeah, we met in the camp. So hold on, let me get to the notes. You got something because I got Yeah, I got for inside the sauce. You

know what I'm saying. Come on, who in Buffalo was was doing something similar like y'all, or anybody was in Spine y'all on a local level? Hell yeah, like like DJ She always talking about DJ Shade like we've We've been with Shape four minutes since I was nineteen. But even before that, growing up, he used to fun with niggas other niggas and we was like we was like on some underground Buffalo ship because niggas he was getting played on the radio. The nigger who was doing the videos,

We wasn't part of them. Nigg's like T Brown, It's like who trills? Uh? Nigga's like, uh, a whole bunch of nigger who else? Who the fund come use from? Again they're gonna be mad at head name niggas. This this got a shot about man? Who the funk else? Uh? I'm damn. I can't think D Black was doing ship in Buffalo. So when we got with Shade, she was like she was like the top nigga and Buffalo to get with. You know what I'm saying. Something we got

with Shade that just shopping anybody ship. Then it had the studio every day. She was the first niggah who wasn't a drug dealer or street nigga who who I respect. It was like, Okay, he cool and know what I'm saying. He still had this little polo shirts, had weed all the time, had bitches and ship like that. I liked that that shift. I looked up to him. He's the first thing I looked up to who like wasn't like

a type of street nigga type of person. There was nothing ever, like in terms of cross border because y'all right there, no, no, he he did what he did, but he but y'all like like in terms of Buffalo sound and seen, did it ever cross over to the border side like the Canadian side. Oh no, no, they never did it. But but what we do, it's something. It's it's definitely some type of kinship towards Toronto because our radio station, they is one of their radio stations.

You know what I'm saying. It's like uh cart now official exactly I'm saying, uh even even even Drake, you know what I'm saying, Like that ship on that Quiet Storm ship, that ship that he used that voice to do talking to the quiet Stone that was from like the Buffalo radio station. You know what I'm saying. And that's why you said he shout ou out of Buffalo on that ship. What I'm saying, No, your name used to be too chained, Benny Man, Yeah, hell yeah. Really

do you think to the boy bitch ship? I don't. I don't think. I don't think broke bit my ship, but you thought, you know it, I don't think I don't already established the penny. I don't think. I don't think broke bit my ship. I think Greg might stinking. Like, to be honest with you, I'm I'm keeping the real because I like that, because Changes is a very creative and he was the one. He was one of the first Niggers that embraced me and this ship and that

you know what I'm saying, real ship told him that that. Yeah, what I'm saying. Actually I didn't my boy cling that what I'm saying. But listen, though my name was to Chaine Benny Man, but I was doing I was on my way to jail to her after he had after obviously after he had left from Thinkin, after he had

left with Ludicrous or whatever. Like I heard a song called I'm Ryan Round and I'm riding around and when I heard that ship, and it was like to change, and it was to change, you know what I'm saying. But I knew it was it was titty boy. But I was on my way to jail and I wasn't doing ship, and I knew and that was really my name, and I knew, like when I came back, I'm like that ain't would be my name, like real ship. When I came back, it was on fire and niggas was

playing that song. But they don't know, like I already knew what was going on. You know what I'm saying, And it was it's a name he took over. You know, that's still my name. I'm like, I'm like four change many people still people still call me that, but that nigga like twenty change titty boy now. But you know what I mean. I funk with Bro. He embraced me. But my boy did tell him that because that was a you know, i'd be a big thing. You know.

Motherfucker's petty, like yo, he took your he took your name. You know, people think people think you anybody stole shipped from him. You know I'm saying, people tell me I stole ship from like nigga. No, you heard my ship and nigga then you took it. Oh yeah, you're fucking crazy. You think you think I was paying attention to that ship. You know what I'm saying, real ship, y'all need to attract to to to change. No, No, we got some ship, a real ship. That's fine. Let's make some noise for that.

You're already talking about DJ shay Right, who wrote is armand I'm we're keeping the shing murder beats like couch and you're like murder beats. They say something about murder like he going back to like that the Buffalok torontod Ship, like niggas niggas been new bro and what I'm saying big hits. Yeah, I met murder beats. I called. I called him with Jack Hallow a word. Damn. You can

tell you about old school nigga. Though you probably think abably thinking this, niggah, you might be like New York niggas. Tell I was really like what I had and I thought I knailed it. Sorry I thought, but but he from Toronto. But nigga has been to him on his come up. You know what I'm saying that he took off he said. I mean, he didn't hit me the other day. You know what you're doing. So it's like so he I'm not saying that we ever even exactly.

He's crazy, he's great. I'm not saying that he ever spoke about it. I'm not saying that Drake ever spoke about it. I'm not saying that even Grazila. I'm speaking about it right now, Like I know, niggas like it's it's some type of kinship, like you know, they know what I mean because you know, like you know, niggas be trying to call us South Canada. You know you know what I mean, but that you know what I mean. But what I do is we we represent what we're from.

You know what I'm saying is it's never you got to be proud of with you from say it's real niggas from everywhere that say. And at one point Buffalo was like like the lowest economy right like it was like, so you know anywhere with his little economy, that's where the most crime it's going it's gonna happen. It's treacherous upstate. It's treacherous like the treachers I've been up there during

with with all that the weather fucked up. So is that type of environment like people say, you if you could really make it out out of there, you could make it out of any motherfucker. Like what I mean, it's a it's just you know, just there's all the all the odds against you, you know what I'm saying.

I think I think a lot of times people people forget that you know our age and how we came in and ship, you know what I mean, Like that was a blessing that they again signed to uh to shady them niggas like that nigga West didn't tell me until two murder beats. No, no, no, I'm just sorry. I'm just talking about like the group that Look, I'm just saying, it's like when that Grisseldin she came from that ship. That ship is crazy that she came out of nowhere, what I'm saying. So that's why I know,

that's another reason why that should get praised. And I'm saying how we do because they just respect that. They understand that. But you ever you ever thought because like like like we all related to at one point, like York was hard on New York, so be hard on New York, even harder on Long Island. We are hard exactly exactly on even like sat is a girl right right around y'all were harding Jersey, Jersey on you know, maybe even treading on New Work or whatever. What up?

You ever thought that all of this ship you've been through, like people is respecting the city that people want y'all to win, Like that's that's respecting y'all whole city. Yeah, that's I didn't ever think. To be honest with you, I didn't ever think. But just to see it is love. My boy. Somebody who I was, who I was locked up with, just hit me the other day from Brooklyn. He was like, yo, all, I Harris Tanning to talk for right now. He's like, you know you got New

York City on till right now. What I'm saying, I'm like, that's love, that's loving. They stand behind this ship because it's it's it's that cloth, it's what we do. So they're standing behind that ship. Like you said, this should make us proud. I mean, this is get niggas back. This is making niggas want to get back doing this shitt again. But we could, we could do our ship again and you paid, let's go, let's do our shoot again. It'd be probably you brother, just because you know, take

a little she probably the whole movie. You can't understand. You're probably the whole motherfucking move real ship. Oh shoot, let's le's hit caring out. You mus don't have an iPhone because I went at him. Saw it's canny. You know, extra rates may apply. You know what I'm saying, you just hit me and they got here that gonna pick up. You know, it's to put you right there. Yo. Yeah, I spoke you up. I spoke you up, I spoke your name and then you and you hit broke ship.

That's crazy, you know that, you know what I mean? Yeah? Yo, you know if people need to know in Toronto, we like you know what I mean in Toronto is right there. Bro. He just he just now said that. He just now my nigga we go when we grew up on w B Okay, I mean, you know, my first concert ever, so I just said that my first big stadium concert was in Buffalo. I went to see mc hammer and Vanilla Ice back like when I was a little kid, and that's all he saw that. I like your floors.

Let me make you known to mena finish this something hit you back. I got you, got you from the drop. I got you, my bro. That's how you know the other you know, like sometimes it's man, that's crazy, right, he said that ship. So let me let me ask you switch it up the subject a little bit. I think this is the first thing I met you as well, maybe we met before, but the same thing you met DMX. We linked up right. I believe I hit you and I say you'll come through. I want you to I

want to introduce you to ask. But one thing that was just known was he was on crutches. He was moving different. It kind of felt like he was being cautious. But you had just got going through whatever happened in Houston. So how was that experience? Because was that, uh, was that a deliberate these guys was deliberately after you? Or they was after random people and I heard I heard they found out who it was or something. Yeah, it was at the random people. They was at the random people.

Can't you know what I'm saying, Like I was moving, I was cautious after that, like I still him now because I knew the mistakes that I made that day. You know what I'm saying, Just just simple ship like that when you to Walmart or something. No, no, no, that mistake was. The mistake was being where I was too long. What I'm saying, so ship like that, I'm learning and that that was a mistake. But also just

as just as that me realizing not realizing Hawaiian. You know what I'm saying, that ship like that because what I tell people all the time like don't know. I don't know, man, you will come with this ship, you know what. I don't know, man, you know niggas tell you. But that's something that I'm realizing to myself, like I'm understanding now, trust it. But even at that point, I didn't know Burtner Proof had just dropped. You know what I'm saying. I didn't feel like I was doing nothing.

That's like making simulate. Why then you're going to Walmart. I'm like, damn, I can't go to Walmart. I think just guys said that I'm a project baby. I can't nig can't go to Walmart. And I realized, like, damn, you sometimes like life like that. You can't go to Walmart. Sitting the homies, get the T shirt and draw. I go to Target now. Talking might not be safer, sir to Target. Yeah, sitting the homies to Target now, you can still go. You just gotta move a certain way,

you know. You know, I learned. I learned that. I learned a lot from that, and I'm I wanted I'm one of the niggers. I take a lesson out at everything. You know, it's a it's a lot of niggas who are not here right now. You know what I mean. You know it's true. Booty got shot that week and moved three. Yeah, that was a crazy girl came von. You know what I'm saying. The ship happened to me. That was that was all in the you know what

I'm saying. So you know what I mean. It's like, damn, you gotta you definitely gotta you, gotta watch you gotta watch yourself, and rappers gotta take care of themselves. And I learned so much from that ship. I ain't gonna lie because I've been there. I've been in the streets doing everything my whole life, and I never happened. Do you think rapping is a dangerous job? He'll because we don't know our enemy. We don't. And the same thing is our enemies. Our enemies be the same things in

our face smiling. So that's the worst enemy. You know what I'm saying is the dude that seafood y'all are sit in your face and saying, y'all you the ship. As soon as you turn around, they want to stab you. The fact, that's the world. What the crazy ship is? We gotta come outside. We got to and we gotta post where we're gonna be at. That's the word right here the time. When I post a restaurant, I posted it. Next step, that's what I do too. I record my ship.

I don't go live to my ship. I just recorded on my phone and then I post that ship is crazy. But all that had to be learned, Like people wasn't doing that in the beginning. It was posting in real time, and I think if that was a learned behavior, now, who was this? Someone says something to somebody and they stepped him while it was at the mall. I think it was like at love or it wasn't main it

was main. I think someone said some boost about may no, filmed it and then posted it and they don't turned and followed them, like okay, what did you just say? And then that that was like okay, you know what. We can't really post in real time now, But isn't that fucking ironic? We make it out the hood and the hood fither was us? And we just crazy? Dn Max told me something that was so beautiful. He said,

I don't call rappers rack no more. And I said why He said, because every rapper that gets on he employs at least eight to sixteen people, and I was just like wow. He said that in our first episode. So I was like wow. So when you look at that, how the funk are we getting more successful putting people on and still running into, maybe sometimes even worse than the hood problems like this? How how do you see this? I mean, people, rappers, people value them too high in

my opinion. You know what I'm saying, people think too highly of rappers. I'm just being real, you know what I'm saying, Like we're great people like me. I'm not a dumb nigger. I'm smart. I've always been, always been a smart kid, right grade, a student. You know what I'm saying. I'm not a sliding ball. Know what I'm saying. I'm a loyal nigger. I'm a respectful nigger. You know what I'm saying. But and I got daughters. I take care of my kids. What I'm saying, take care of

my team. But at the same time, you know, like I got three felonies, man like, don't don't. I'm an example, not a role model. We're just speaking about that. Niggas always Niggers always want to be Niggers always want to be better than a rapper. Niggas always niggas be feeling niggas be feeling like press when rappers come around rappers. This rappers that rappers is so, you know, niggas, niggas love us, but they hate us. They love us, but

they hate us. And they'd be like, man, you know, the niggas be like, oh man, you niggas be saying ship like you're a rap nigger? What you what you mean by that? You mean, like, I'm you know what I mean with you? You're trying to discredit me from being who I am. I mean, I mean, I don't understand that. You know what I mean. But they value rappers too much. You know what I'm saying. They need to be better than They need to be better than

the community leaders. You know what I'm saying, Like not even don't know, crazy political ship, but that ship is getting out of hand. Know they niggas want to be in rappers faces and ship. This ship is out of This ship is out of control. I'm not gonna lie to you know what I'm saying. The male grouping ship is going too far. Oh no, it's jury serious. You know what I'm saying. This And it's just that, like god, damn you know what I mean. It's like do your

own ship. You don't even need niggers to being you like that. So it's something I noticed about you immediately, is you roll like how I roll. Got all the hovis with you, and you know why that's safe. Let me just tell you why that safe? Because you don't need no outsiders. No, I don't know if you understand what I'm saying, a lot of people to this day will be like, damn right, you still roll this deep because I because I got my whole community, I got the whole PJS with me. I don't gotta go to

another PJS. You know what I'm saying, Like me knows are like all my people people like we just came back later, how many it was? Was it my right hand man's lights as the carrious's garden? We gotta make some more. What I'm saying, like my statement there right there, you know what I'm saying, So like that's another thing that you gotta you gotta keep them niggas around you that that keep you grounded, you know what I'm saying, not even not even like I don't even got my

niggas with me on no tough guy ship. But they like that. But it is he's just my real friends. You know what I'm saying. My boy, My boy, Buffy just came home from doing thirteen joints. You know what I'm saying. My nigga, My nigga, Mom, he just came home from doing nineteen. You know what I mean. That's what I'm saying. That's people. Even though people see our money with us, now, I might have been with us,

you know what I'm saying. I might even from DJ Shade from like from the like two thousand nine and two thousand eight ships like that, she was around real ship. That's beautiful. And at thirty eight when I was twenty two years over from thirty seven, Like these are these all my same thing? Yeah, that's beautiful. That's a beautiful thing.

I'm telling you. Oh, even like like I said, even just me with with with Jay the other day he said that to me, said I like, I like how you got your people in around because he he understood our energy. You understood Like listen, my nigga, like I kind of I kind of need them, I kind of need you to show them that I'm a boss ship. I have a boss and that you respect me. And he called it. He was like yeah, but he also gave me that. He said, you know what, that's why

I got every hair, got top tight hair. I got such a such hair because we don't want to mingle with other niggas. We just want to be with our real ship. And that's what I knew that very moment. I'm doing the right thing. So so so most people want to know and be like, damn many you want with bad people. I'm in the exact opposite. I'm saying you're doing the right thing because you ain't gotta do no dumb ship. You ain't gonna come around. You ain't gotta In fact, you should stay away from it all

because you are actually that guy. And like what you just said was very touching to me. Uh you said you didn't know who you were at the time in Houston. That's what we all suffered. Because I'm a regular Ninka. Like barbecue, You're gonna take your pass off and Pete the same way. Pe. You're gonna do what we are a regular name. That's why I say the money changed people around you, cooking in the change. That's what you're saying.

You know it's very true, but don't understand that. People people quick this like, I mean you're different, or you can't wait to say I'm different, But I'm really the same nigger. You're different. You expect different things from me because of my situation. But I'm really the same person I've always been, you know what I'm saying. So that's real ship, man, that's real ship. I mean, that's real ship. Let's make exactly many good times. I'm taking a shot

for that. I'm sorry I'm doing. I don't take You're cool. We are come. You take a shot, and we take a shot to come back because I ain't gonna lie. Bro. The sit that y'are doing, the ship that you're represent ain't been this authentic in years because they try to act like this type of music wasn't a factor. Yes, and when the game went to where it went to listen, let me just tell you something, so a little go ahead, God bless, because I want to tell you what I

went through for you. Every One says the War Report is a classic. Now I think I went through it when the War Report dropped, And ironically, I'm getting a lot of money with this bad get a lot of

monements he love well. Mr Shiny Suits were dominating the year the war report I'm talking about, we were overshadow and at times I thought, man, I should maybe I should make a sunshine know what I'm saying, Maybe I should go look, you know, man, because of them that not only killing it particularly overshadowing us, overshadowing in the mab deeps overshadowing. I don't know if you remember. That's why Paul actually came to Queensbridge to get into a

Mob Deep video. I don't know if you'll remember that. I don't know if you'll remember that. Paul had to do that because he was out shadowing street music so much that he looked like the enemy, and he didn't want to be the enemy. So he came and he reached out to things like me. He reached out to Morrow Deep. He reached out. But at one point, this ship wasn't cool for real, this ship wasn't cool. But it was like it was like versus this, this versus that.

Like everyone says the war was a classic. They say that now I live do that these thinks did that come out of my first week? They say it then they didn't say it then, like and I don't know. What I'm trying to tell you is they had to catch up to this ship. So for the people to be owned to y'all, right until like this is a lesser this is you know what the locks been through.

The Boue Tang has been through. With mar that's been through because if you look at Wou Tang, you look at all those albums in the Marvel and all that besides Nis, besides Knives. Now, I was probably the only one who like a big first week back then. And DMX DMX is a different antibam. He sold like a rocket roll off. He was a different anam everybody over. Tell y'all he hadn't hire to everybody had to hire.

That's what I'm trying to say. So for a thinking like me to see y'all and to see you that y'all can shine all together, y'all can shine separately, and y'all all got your own fans to tell you the truth, it's a beautiful fucking thing. That the beautiful thing. And I think niggas realized that so like it would never be. It would never be a point where Nigga is not calling each other phones or pulling up on each other or not working together, funk all of this. You know

what I'm saying, It never gets to that point. You know what I'm saying. Of course, you're gonna make sure you keep that attitude because the further the further you go, it's not the more that you're gonna say fun the next nigger. The further further you go, you start doing you and you when you when you would do with you. Sometimes you gotta remember that's why. That's why I wanted to give you that four ticket wing fire rights right right, right, right right. It's because we by the way, the other

four ticket and fire rights. It's simple. We would have half to pay for it. How much was there ship bucks? But what it was was it represented where he was whenever you came us. When he asked me trash and I love this man to the state for this. He asked me, you can't have one ft and one ft out. I can't have you slinging no more. So can you please stop selling drugs? I lied to him for the first two months. I was like yeah, and I was

outside y'all and I was up. I had to work for like, I'm doing it away every night, I'm doing it in away. Listen, I can nearly had to come to me, and this is my first tour. I can only had a fire pack on me and I can only see me to make a sound. And he said, you idiot, motherfucker. This is how he talks to me, and it's not a gangster. So he and he on my block. I'm looking, you know, I from down the block. People are up from the say hood, so I can

only got out of set. Would you look at this ship and every car that drove Bob was playing in l A l A. And he said, not just seeing you make a sound, He used to make you feel like ship hold da, Like what do you mean? But I'm like, that's niggas, that's from my hood. It's like your album is doing. But I didn't know how. I didn't know how to what the fun was you doing? Then I was cracking because you know what, like like,

I've always been an upstate legend doing my ship. So even when going back and forth to jail, and sometimes I was in good positions, I was hustling and ain't nobody know. But sometimes I stood on the corner and he's like, what did you do? Yet? What is he doing. And I'm just what it was like. But I don't do no ship like that no more. I ain't done a ship like that in years. Please. I did my last hand in hand. It was after the flex freestyle. It was outside. Yeah, I'm just being really, but you

never never no more, never no more. You know what I realized about this ship that we don't even have to do that. We don't even have to do that. That's the crazy ship about it. When you realizing and you to the point where you're making money off legal ship and you around different people who could who you who who could bring opportunities to you because you can bring opportunities to them. We don't even have to do that. You know what I'm saying That that's just what we

thought we had to do. Absolutely what I'm saying, Joey cracked. Yes, we got rid of it with your yes, sir, Yes, sir. He's writing some big ship too that tonight. I thought it was to Morrow Murray, right, I mean, I think Cracks right, there's some big ship I got you, y'all. Come on, man, you know your little little holy way it come to that. That's some ship right there, That's a ship. Let's go and put you in the game.

Joe Crack, you know what I mean. First you Brasy, first bats line, I got you, brother favorite Sorry, one up, one up your shout out the diamonds d was in the building. That's just like this. Listen, just hear his voice, but they see. This is what I'm trying to tell you, Like I don't know what I said this earlier, and I do be repeating myself, but listen to me. This

is the part I want to repeat myself. I don't want you to take this a grab because the fact that the industry, and I'm telling you I've been a part of this motherfucker for twenty years. This is not a good industry. It's made to make the artists to be growth, it's made to make the artists foul. It's not made for you. So when you see other motherfucker's that's in this artist artist, try that went through it.

And that's showing you, guys, this much's love. I just want you to know this is not normal, right right right? I know I understand that ship. I understand that ship because like I always say, like we we buffalo niggas. This this meet here, I'm gonna east side Buffalo nigga and and I know who your niggas is this something Let's team. When I was a teenager, I was like, yeah, like I take this ship serious and and they're taking

a shot for that. But and then he just don't know what we're about to do with this depth Jam ship. You know what I'm saying. We need Tungi everybody over there, Charlene, you know what I'm saying. It's just you don't know what my my Rock Nation team niggers don't know what riding with Charlene since I'm Loud Records Charlene Brown. That's that's that's the home Girl not real ship. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. I had to feel comfortable, comfortable with the tea. You know what I'm Tina. I told you

I do no depth gam business yet, but sign the paperwork. Listen, you gotta set up a Mr Chat. I don't know say less. I told him to throw me a party. I want to. I still want to party. I'm gonna help out. I love a major name, but you ain't. You ain't going to your drinks. I'm sorry. Yeah, yeah, you guys get a shot. We're taking a shot to you your career and Buffalo man, motherfucking buffalo. You're putting a whole fucking city town on and y'all riding with it.

It's beautiful, solute brother, and you, I'm saying, now, this is my ship. You gotta stop drinking other te killer on you. We don't know that that's my ship, yah matter owner. The crazy thing about it is, I've never met Cark you on an album. We knick it all the time over the phone and ship, but I never met. But I'm daily on tack. I'm a boy on an album.

TI more crack commandments. I'm gonna tell you this. We had game one here drinking Kaza Zoo and works mistake I've ever made here had itself on here a little this. I knew it was fun up. I'm not listen to crazy about it. I was. I was on the FaceTime with Puff with cos amigos in my hand one time. Know what I'm saying. So I know what you're talking about. It's not a good day. But listen, my dude, I can't say what he told me. I can tell when I hear the phone ring like like hustle. I could

tell when it's money. I can tell when it's bad, and I can tell when it's good. Soon as I heard the phone ring, I was like, I did something fucked up? It rained twice being there. They just don't call you twice, ke you once? He called twice and I looked. I said, I'm sucked up? What did I do? And he then and then he sent me the footage that I just sit here, how you gonna myself? But I didn't realize that. I gotta tell people, like, listen, if you're gonna drink the Killer, We're gonna. We're gonna

drink We're gonna drink Due. If you're gonna drink can Yak, you're gonna drink the Homey. So you're gonna drink Champagne, We're gonna. I feel like I old him that. And by the way, they told him, I owe him man both individually to both said shaking. You don't miss them, wax I said, jeez, Louise, I do not, But I don't miss the Asia Spade. So I'm gonna keep this ship hip hop. You got to. If you got to, I'm gonna keep it hip because we gotta represent our

show and that's what we care. It's not just sir rock Delhi ya asa Spade do say uh our brother Earl Stevens, who were closing a deal with right now and we wanted to be down with called Earl Stevens. Yes, what are you doing business for us? He put on somewhere like so e forty this is your platform anytime bell Air, Mr were gross any time. This is your platy money that anybody line like, come over here, let's put it on the table. We gonna keep this ship

hip hop because that's what given. These beers are hip hop right here. Yes, we got a weapons and I don't gotta wait, you gotta he's my sid Yes, and also a little deal coming up with Monster to keep we make it. I was wondering why this Monster ship was here. There's for teaching. Yeah, let's speak anybody here, gotta you know, shout on Monster isn't to meet you. Let's go. Let's go. We like you like to do so in my mom watter up for get my own water. Yeah,

I don't know about your deal. You don't give any I'm just supposed got about Dominican mother sister. Put my Dominican brothers sisters. We gotta kind time want come to yours. Do it by the way, you do what you want to want to do. You know, it's Dominican type phone. Let's just keep it. Who has it? They don't spell. I was on people. It's something the air. Yeah, don't spell on you. That's not true though. He just was up.

They kill us and then they just spok and then if you've never seen, you've never seen something where they go they spick what is it? Yeah, that's the room for real, and it's really good at advocate for Tiger ball man, we drink tygle this COVID tiger Bone that ship with it in the morning since COVID go with I mean this is tyger bone. This is does not think I'm Tykerbone. Don't want to get the never before man. Yes, yes, yo,

I know you feel how I feel about him. Well, boys, but real hip hop, how much of the fresh air it is the it's the heir they movement. It's good because you know, like trap ship doing what it was doing, it wasn't like no real representation like ship that you know we call hip hop right exactly. Salute to being the whole because because the niggas who sailed way more records than us and everything. It's like, niggas want to

talk like this about you know what I'm saying. So it's not about trying to have for another nigga guy trying to have his spot. It's about having a love for them from the from the niggas that matter, the foundation we we rap. I'm saying. That's what it's about, y'all rap rap exactly. So that's what it's about. It's about if if you're in the gym playing and nigga say, like, yo, he could you If I say you could play ball, I'm saying you could play ball, But if Lebron said

I'm not comparing myself to Lebrono. I mean like, okay, you know or y'all nigga is Lebron and nigga say like yo that nigga caball that means everything, And that's what I go off. Realm, do you drink it? You want fade? You want something good? You gotta he gotta You don't know Japanese? Okay, okay, okay, So both of y'all will ask both of y'all this question, did you ever think of hip hop? But make it this far? N I love that answer. You didn't just I didn't.

I mean, you know, just to see it come from where it came from, Cooks and yes you're from the Bronx and there's no way nobody could. You don't had that foresight? All right? The ship the top genre right, Yeah, I'm saying top genre music. That's crazy. The ship that they try to like and it's changed, like the things that we don't even realize it. Like you watched the news and they talk in hip hop lingle. Yeah, it's normal English now and they're talking the ship that they

wasn't saying before. They're using words they weren't used before, they using, they're using slang that's normalized now. It's just crazy. Yeah, news anchors and all that. Yeah, they'd be not even something like I want to give a shout out. Yeah, things that you wouldn't think of that came from something else. How about you you do a hip hop get this fall, man, I I didn't think you know what I'm saying. I

always been inspired by this ship. That's like even even with the super Bowl and I'm saying, they're just passed all hip hop. They're handing the reins over the to niggas like trade. You know what I'm saying. It's like even even this ship, like like right here, even you like a nigger who who came back years ago. Look look at this niggas getting bag and ship. What you want you getting back to big change? Would you like today? We like to. But to be honest with you, hip

hop has been the blessing for every one of us. Right, there's not one person in here who has not been touched by hip Right. You said with exit, you don't call niggas whack rappers. Yeah, don't do that, because that's what I realized. I'm like these niggas feet and niggas. You know what I'm saying, These niggas is putting on the boys no real ship. You know what I'm saying, these niggs, it's a situation for things, so they don't gotta do no dumb ship, you know what I'm saying.

And that's and that's like one of the ropest parts of this whole thing is that we could still be in our element and get money off of it. You know what I'm saying. Culture, This ship is culture. Let me ask you. Let me ask you this leman deep and I have I want. I want to say he's my friend. Mc shant on here the other day, okay, MC said, Chance said he doesn't want to be called a legend because let's change his mind at the end of the show about that. Yes, but I want to

he said, And I told him he was wrong. He said to him, legend means they know you, but you broke. And I said broke or you broke, that's what he said. But your broke, your legend, that's what he said. You don't have no, no, no yet he was right there and I disagreed with him. I said, that's that's not but he corrected himself. He said he did it at the end of the end. And you know what it was. He wasn't accepting of people honoring him and and and

giving him that due respect. So he felt disrespected and someone came up to him saint legend like, and he was calling him old or watched stuff. Because this is what I said at the end, us calling allgend. He felt it the right way. You just this is what I said. I gotta ride where I say. Sometimes they called me o g but they don't really mean it. They're just calling me old. Gotta read in between it right, call me like, like why I like? I like the

word legend. How did you How do you feel about that? I think it's an honor. Yeah, you know what I mean. You know you earned that. Don't mean me broke was a legend. That was my example, Joe's allegen, Joe's let go on. I don't even quake, that would be broke just to sign no a badge of bombing. But I just think that mean to me, that means like you stand like forever forever. Like I mean, I'm saying, like you you want you don't want? You want my walk

of fame forever for me? You know I consider you forever. I have to say exactly, you know that was one thing I had no control over your chance. So this is, by the way, but I what I wanted to say, I'll probably come out before this. So yeah, so it's gonna make sense. But I had to control over. By the way, he's the first person I've seen sending this quarner. If the first person did a lot of things, a

lot of but it was not amazing. Amazing honestly, would bother me was it was like he couldn't accept the love That's what it was all the way a lot of people came out in the generation that you didn't have this it up. You didn't have Facebook. You ain't you ain't have you ain't get to see this constant love or this constant hate that you will see every single And when I'm telling him, I'm telling MC ship

and I'm like, yeo, what we love you? You know, we're playing him and drops of people who actually are bigging him up. And He's like, fun this ship, Like you didn't want to watch? He didn't? He It made me. And then I had Trash trash at the same as actually you sitting there because I would write a trash because I definitely needed help when I was writing about that um and Trash had to tell him you gotta accept the love. So so so what crazy is? Sometimes? Uh? Um?

Sometimes hip hop we don't know how to accept the love from the younger generation. Like I remember seeing Mellie mel this is we all talking. I've never said this and Mellie Mail was so mean and me when I first came about, I was like, what's mill? He was

just like what up? Little Nicks? But back then and he was right because it was I had to work up to to get that love of early respect, respect, So I never, I never he knew who he was back then, yeah, but he but listen, through the course of time he gave me that love that I was like, you said, how you said you you you met me before, you said you met me some time one time? You met me before that, though I did, like I had to meet styles paid five times because you knew I

was back. You know what I'm saying, That's how I should't going right. So I just remember that, and I remember, damn, I'm We're always saying to myself, damn I want. I wanted the eldest statesman to accept me, but I didn't know how to say, can you'll accept me? Like I'm I'm a real one, I'm gona be in whatever. But I didn't know how to ask for that love. So my defense mechanism was to be like, all right, so whatever, So I had to act like I didn't care. But

that ship meant the world to me. To see Mellie on the Secret Master Flash the Seagret as a cast, to see cool hurt and nonally just say hi exactly. But but as a young dude, I had develop a defense mechanism. So I was like, all right, cool if they if they don't show love to me, Dodd shows me love. Yeah, she shows me love. Fat Joke shows me love. So I took that of the love that

it was given to me and I did that. But I went through years of my career, five six years, but I wanted to I just wanted Mellie Mellon and the dude to say hi, just like they didn't even give me a five. And I've been cool with that, and like it was at one point I swear it off. The Elder Statesman didn't even they wouldn't even make eye contact with me because a lot of niggers. I had earned my respect with I know what you're talking about room ship because I respected it. Though I'm saying I

understood it. You understood that I maybe want to earn my respect when they get and that's part of him hop pain dudes is a part of it. You know that some people don't want to do you know, they expect you're doing that, but do something for real. Far look that way. You know what I'm saying, It's like, Okay,

watch this. That's why I love this show is because I get to give back, you know, I get to give back, and I get to I get to say things like this because I guarantee you Mally's gonna you can see this and be like I didn't even know nor like because he needed I don't think he meant disrespect, but he would right in the long run. I'm telling you he would, right. I didn't need to deserve my I just got tea on the wire, just got l al a like they the warrant wouldn't even drop yet,

so I get I get it now. But we know what I do. Instead of I'll see the baby, I walk off to the baby, I'm like, shuck, I see little baby walk to them. I'm like, yo, what's uping's a doing? Cool? Cool? But when they turn around, I'm gone because you know, yeah, yeah, you from young crazy nicks. I don't think what's going on. I was, y'all. I was y'all boy trying to hit someone. I'm good a lot of here, you know what I mean. But I always want to embrace the young generation. It's the difference.

You don't want to ask you this. You gotta do them. That's important to us. See, Like even even like me, me and you was. I wanted to say, nigga, I want to say everything I'm saying to you right now, and hopefully I did, but it would make me a sucker to see you and say I'm a fan of you, and then people go like this or what's up? Right? Right? Like no, I want to go I want to hug you. I wanted to say, yo, I gotta be a fan,

keeping in in a certain way, my legacy gonna. You know what I'm saying, stuff that that help build You know what I'm saying. So let me ask you, Diamond, because this is what I saw for my live. I stopped wanting to give young niggas advice. Maybe I'm a found you can tell you gotta get by. But I had stopped because sirtain No, they just would look at me wrong, and you'd be like, you're old man. You ain't gonna on the radio. You were dial up motherfucker right, Yeah,

I don't have something like that. That's the thing though, like Griselda, like we we all, we all are told you so yes, let me ask you. Let me have you ever been frustrated like trying to give somebody who I got a younger doc coming up in the game. You've been through everything I could go through? Right? Have you ever tried to give advice to a yoke? I only give it a fight since my acts, Okay, I don't throw it out. You know what I mean? And that's because you see much speak. That's howd to me.

You just wait for young younger duce approach me or hit me in the graham and you know he ain't talking reckless. I'll answer him like you know what I mean. If so that way, he doesn't seem like it's forced upon. And it's like they see if they if they seek some mid flights, how ansome you? That's fine. I know it's all good. That's fine. Let me ask you the opposite question. Have you ever reached out to the old GM been disappointed or a legend? Uh? And you want

to be its? Talk about it? What I'm saying only only like like feeling like even talking about it. Let's go. That's that. It's just like you know when when when when the nigga gave you that give you the energy like no you you ain't you made it here yet? Nigger? You know what I'm saying. I see you. You know how that should go. But like I said to me, it's about working art and doing my ship. But inspiration but who I can't I can't even think of who's

but definitely niggas. Niggas in definitely shaded me. Of course, nigga shaded me. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, that's that's curious. It's industry. Industry is no. But that taught me though, That taught me know, you gotta grind, You gotta show niggas because that's what it's about. Now. It's enough going on where you could put yourself in a position to do it. You for what I'm saying, so like if you're not doing it, like who faughts that you? People believe?

That's one of the that's one of my main ships because I probably myself on the team that I built. You know what I'm saying, I gotta I got. My team is solid, and niggas wonder how I did that because Nigga, I work harder than them, niggas. Nobody's gonna work harder than you work in your team. You gotta show them, niggas. So you know, a lot a lot of niggas think being a rapper is being catered to, but that's actually the opposite I'm talking. What I'm saying.

It's really the opposite of what I'm saying. So you know what I mean, you gotta you gotta go stupid with this ship. They don't know that. They think, Oh, then what you're supposed to do for me with you nigga, You supposed to make it. You gotta make a nigga some money when he pulls to sign you and give you some paper. All right, you gotta make these people some money and add the dollars and cents. What's that ship? You probably know I've been talking about this ship lately,

Like when the labels signed the Nigger Beco. They know not gonna recoup the money. It's a term off. You know, I'm sax right off to them. It's a tax writer off. But to the point where they even they call it something, Yeah, I forgot, I know you took my mom. You know what I'm saying. But it's like fuck it, even though they know they've got to spend some money to even

they have like this type of culture at their label. Well, well it's like labels, to be quite frank, Labels have a certain amount of money they have to spend every year, so with that being said, they definitely signed people they don't like fail. You know what I'm saying that they're signing YouTube foul And you gotta know who you are.

You gotta know if you're the artists that's there to make them money or you the artists there to make them think to make the flop, because you know, because it's definitely I definitely sat down with labels who had big artists at their label who're just telling me like, man, we got such and such, we got such such, we got such and such, And that's making me like, I ain't sunk with y'alls. Imagine all we don't know about, because that's what you better ask them, right, let me

ask you, Timond. Recently, Pete Rock just uh made it public that he was suing the illmatic of State, right because the woman has it that he ain't he didn't get paid. He didn't, he didn't get paid. Is that common? It should be? It shouldn't, It should be, but it should be commix. But I don't I don't think like, I don't know. I read like he was suing NAS right, but I don't know the paper. I don't know if his if his deal was between him and non production company,

or between him and Columbia rough House, right, Columbia. But whoever his deal is with, because I could almost guarantee you NASA did CO signed him not being paid. I'm sure he wanted to. But right we're thinking about you know, performing and you know what, you much thinking about what's going on with the producers. It always depends on who Pete made his deal with. Okay, you know what I mean that, and that's that's where his focus should be.

But he just he just put NAS name out there, and you know it might not even be nascause was the news. I knew all its back then too. Yes, that's because it seems weird because within these twenty years we see them together, we see them hanging out. So obviously it happened on ill Matic. So this is twenty what five maybe twenty seven years? How the ship like that happened? I don't like, God, damn, I mean, producer has been getting jerk. I'm sure you could speak to us.

There's been a problem. You puts on your paperwork, right, you know the game, the game is built on the right, you know, like you know, we were from the error when he was getting like thirty thousands, twenty track you know. Now you know we've been doing beats for like five hundreds of thousands if anything, and then not even hits somebody saying they pay you on the bank and something like that, you know what I mean. But it all,

it all depends on the agreement you signed. You ain't gonna get what you negotiate for, right, right, and your responsibility that you're saying, you know what I mean. So yeah, but that's what I showed that little suit. I was like, oh much of her to play out, Like I like what you said earlier that like how your deal with the labor was fair? Yeah, it was fair because I say that a lot, you know what I mean, because you know, nigger speak about the fund up deals with

the labors for domn't speak about the fair deals. Yeah, the regular deal volume. I love my penalty deal. Oh I couldn't seal because a lot of people didn't really realize was still an independent that was acting like amazing. It was Tommy Boy that was behind the penalty and it was an independent and yeah but they had major money.

Is that Neil's and don't Yeah I had it failed there like I'm not one of these guys that you know, did uh major deals with these labels and had it and and and not for not for nothing like this this people like Fat Joe. That's the same thing as people like Buster Ron that UH was was was seeking because Buster is a very He's an expensive nick. I don't know if I'm really he's an expensive dude, Like you have nothing for my guys, it's cheap. Nothing he does is cheap. So Buster Buster has to be on

a label that caters to him. You understand I'm saying so so so again. I say that to say I've never really also than me being on Timing Boint for that one album. Damn gotta remember I got inherited by Timmy Port. He came so he came to him. He was like, so, by the way, um, there's no more penalty, It just you guys just want us. He's like, what crazy, biggest changed my whole life. Looks like somebody to meeting

you tomorrow. But like, yos all right, So you're not on that jam no more like you're on your own Pinnacle. You're like, what, Like Pinnacle is a subsidiary of Universal and you're just sitting there you have nothing to do. He already fired him, He fired the dude. He planned this Outum, the only person that didn't know was us. So God bless you for using this this this, this statement and how I say it. But it was like a slave trade. Damn. See that's the biggest thing. See,

that's the biggest thing. That's the biggest thing they say about the labels is that the staffs which and ship like that. You know what I'm saying that, Yeah, and it changes the dynamic of that moment about your projects and where you understand how that ship feels to. That's why we signed the CBS movie. We signed the CBS. I didn't want to be friends with nobody at CBS because yeah, he made me. I gonna talk to him. But because you know this ship you like, I don't

even know. I don't even want to be cool with you ship. Don't you want to do this? Because I noticed that, you know what, when I was going about it like a street nigger meeting, I was going out to dinner with people and then they gotta leave, they get fired, or they gotta move onto this. And now I got a relationship with them, and you invest in time said time. I'm so moving forward when it's this podcast game, I was like, I don't want a relationship with back. Should I make ship the ship? And it

worked out. It was nobody didn't stout or no, this is we're album were at the time, you know when you wand up over there that time when till me when he that was out there, No, it was time, it was it was mixing. Yeah, I went, I went, I went to meet him here. I think that's that's the longer. The longer niggas being this game like to me, like the colder they get, you know what I'm sayingcause

they're getting them taller tricks and ship. When I see what I'm saying that what I told you earlier, I said, I have no expectations. So regardless of I meet somebody that's supposed to be up like shop or guards, I meet somebody supposed to be broke like a joke, like a joke, I don't have no expectations of them. So what I mean is I just you know, I'll be who I am and if we can move forward and we can do something that's beautiful, but if not, I

don't have no expectations. That when I started to be hurt is when I started to say, you know what, I need a verse from this guy, and this guy changed his number in the middle of me, or you know what I mean, change his number. You just see the dots. You just see the dots like he's probably it text you back like the dotss coming up and he's like because he universe yet oh so, And what I started to say it was, you know what, I

can't let that make me who I am. I'm gonna I gotta meet maintain that when it takes a lot, because the farther you get and the war you go in this industry, the war people is going to encounter you and they're going to disappoint the industry. That's that's the thing that confuses everything is that we're dealing with the industry and then we're dealing with a culture. And then we blearned those lines that we confuse those lines.

We got hip hop and then we got the industry that drives the money making aspect of hip hop coaching, and we just gotta understand that those are two different things that meet in the middle, and we confuse the middle for the thing that's that's at le perspective of it. You know, and that make a lot of sense. That make a lot of sense, you know what I'm saying. It's like I always always say ship, like I was saying this earlier, Like they always say rappers this, rappers that.

They say rappers take this and rappers do that. But rappings do with what's in the streets. It's all from the streets. It's all from the culture, and we just we just like poster boys for it. But you see it on us. You don't see our neighborhood. Done boy, Yeah what I'm saying. But you know what I mean. But you don't. You don't see the you don't see the baddest bitch from our hood. You know what I'm saying. Like we speak for them, you know what I'm saying.

So it's like, you know what I mean. It's not a it's not a rap thing. It's really a street thing, a culture thing from things. You know. It's real talk. That's real talk. That's why you know. It's it's beautiful to see what you're doing. It's beautiful. Let's drove me here, oh, Jerome, me come through. He ain't taking no shot. I'm wasted. Let's go. Okay, you gotta take a shot me yet

it's really tear them over there. But let me tell you something to this day away, Like even when I when even when I thought about you guys earlier, and I said, you know, I spoke about Conway, I thought about trial called Quests fight blobum dropped today too. Yeah, fucking so so did I say that this second? I want to I want to want um, I wanna um.

I want you to give him some advice. If you can't, oh, ship, I'm sorry that because I gave him advice a little meeting with me and Trash from Brown and in order for being trashed to fix our ship, we both agreed to have a four chicken wing and a Frenchman, right yeah, because that's where we started out and talking with each other's deep. If you could that's when we did. We would have happened to get what it was. If you can see the good sell the movement and you can

see how powerful there is. But then we watched this this Conway interview on the Breakfast Club where he's like, yo, I didn't uh, I didn't I signed for no money or whatever whatever whatever he was saying, which which is what all of those artists going. But that single thing

could be the straw that broke the cameras. But you as being a part of a legendary group that not only kind of broke up but broke up in a public in aug in a super ugly way, which I had never I had never really seek that till I watched the documentary. I didn't. I never knew tim and fight was like that. M hm. Let me just say all the time can here, Okay, I didn't know that it's us on a documentary like y'all, y'all covering that ship up. Great, all the ships that you've seen. It's

the worst circumstances. Okay, I'll go to the big gas flare up like you say. Okay, I like that. Like our people is a little different, I guess from everybody else's because we grew up together from blue kids. We weren't playing. Yeah, we didn't get put together like as a group and ship like that or like, oh that's grown man, like you know what I'm saying. No, No, we get little kids, you know what I'm saying. So just like brothers, brothers fight all the time, you know

what I mean. And it's crazy to the outside, But it's not. You know, they're still coming to each other, of course. But the thing though that made everything better and passed everything up was just like you said, us, I bothered them so much to do the album, but they finally was like, Yo, let's trying to do this album and which the album that was the last one? Last one got first grade. I bothered him so much. It's like, you know, let'steward getting us in the room together.

Being in the room together, it's way different. The yakking on the phone sending test back to back is way different. You know what I mean. We said, Yo, if the ship is whack, ship is whack, we're not putting it out. Yeah, you ahead, But we would have spent that time together. We passed it up at the end of the day, Donna kind of taking ego out of it. And remember we got you all there in our first place. Damn.

Now that's real ship. That's real ship. One of my uncles used to have the same you gotta dance with the bitch a pork h on top of bring that slick right there. Your uncle said, you gotta gotta dance with the bitch you brought bringing sand to the beaches okay, no no, no, no, no no, no. Pitch brought the bitch, bitch you that she got you in the party. That's the one you gotta stay dance. It's the same thing

is bringing sands until you took through that. That's what you bring it A lot to him, into a lot to the beach, to me. I bring it my own girl. Yah. That's that's what got you. You made an agreement to the heavens and weather something because if you love what you do, I'm sure you couldn't get effected and do the ship. You got it, Ye got on it. Responsibility, you got it right. But that you nable what your

right right, and you will never be right. But until you until you do see, I see, I see a lot of it because I'm signed the result the record, because I'm gonna be honestly before you to say anything, to tell you the tooth. And I know all three of y'all right individually. I remember west Side hit me on Twitter it was like it's time for Griselda to be on dre chance and I was like that got like a couple of years when then y'all legends, and I know he was mad that I know he was

mad at me, but I was had to do. She didn't really have to do with many another team. It was all the mad it was. It wasn't done on purpose. And I said, damn, I could see if he was mad at me. I could see, right Wig, he's mad at me and why? And then I said, oh, you can't turn into the people that you didn't. You didn't

like that when it was done to you. But you gotta do a little bit of gatekeeper though, because that's what watching it is like it was now, but maybe not that it could have been a conversation that he could Okay, so I'm sorry exactly cut you up? So what you was and I was gonna say the buzz definitely, I know buzz buzz definitely took that person. It's like, damn, man, because everyone's definition of a legend is different, right, and

everyone's a legend own, right. But like you said, you right though, like I said, I put myself in a position where I where I earned it your respect. But what I was saying is I know exactly what I'm saying. What what what Conway was trying to say on that, It's like that I got scared when I saw it it's like this because being being I was gonna say this earlier, like being signed to Griselda and being your own person, if you if you if you're in a

group or something like. You know what I'm saying. It's like you want to know you want to be known for the credit that you put in. You know what I'm saying. That's all it's about. And and and Conway.

That's why he say lines if like if West owned the house, I guess I did the construction, I say, because you want to let people know, like you know, I helped build this saying even if any day you know, there's clearest day, but sometimes it don't be like how you said how mc shan feels, don't know when you don't when it gave me, it gave me wizzer odp vibe, Like when you see that that that was it the rocket Fellow the documentary or was it when when when ode B came home and you just see Rizon odie

me fall out right right right around it was I did not want to see that, like because I loved like let me, Mom just told me I'm a gullible motherfucker. The other day I said, I still want to see the original factor together stock, he said, Stock wishing fact like from from from our collective. It's like I go through some ship too basically like where people try to say people make me the underdog or the group or make me try to try to make me out the

little niggle to group. But that's not that's not West Conway. That's the people. That's because you know, you always do you know, why do people take it like that You always bigger Western Coway like that, you always big the dudes. That that right. You can't let the public and the people your fling. That's what I do. That's why I beg everybody up. You know what I'm saying. You know, like it's there's people who would have trying to pick

me against other artists. But I've never feed into that ship. But were humans, we do feel what I understand that it's not between it's not between me and Buzz, it's between you know what I'm saying that that's the fans. They try to get that, you know what I mean, Like it's it's so crazy because you got Griselda fans, every Broselda fan. It's not a bit to your fans. They starting Yeah, I'm just really so it's like as soon as I stepped a little outside of that, it's

like like they're waiting for it. They're like, now you, we don't funk with you no more. You went there, so you went that, and that's a part of it. So you always want to let you always want to let people know, like, Okay, well that ship you loves the most. Maybe that was my idea. And it don't be you don't even be with the parties involved. Yeah, yeah, be with the people who were like, damn ship. Yeah, So you know what I mean, Yo, But listen, let me just tell y'all, y'all got a chance to really

make this game better, right right, right right. I don't even know what the other way to say it. I just gotta be straight up. And I think when he said y'all became the certain generations, I told you, so it's perfect that I was kidding that. Yeah, because I said it earlier. Iver say it again. I haven't robbed. I haven't trying to put a bar together in years, but just the back and I started listening to you, and you know, to play this. You're back from that,

you know what? Get your own bottles? Yeah, you do you want to music? Uh, well, yeah, no, Sunday is not. He's not a boo goo at all. Jay Z said he does not want him to drink a spade. He did not say you good. But and again I know I said this earlier, but I literally was sitting there getting the heir because of listening to your ship, and I just started the words. I just was like, I just started listening, and I caught myself. I said, wait a minute, am I trying to be a rapper again?

But that's what your music does. It brings that I don't know. It touches people. That's why I said, we can't call it drink music. You gotta call it feeling. Because I got in my film and the Champions e MC the logical evolution of the real ship. When I hear y'all ship, this is what I expected the future ship. The sound right right, And that's the joke y'all was doing like down like that. It gives me faith. Like I gotta disagree with dude, I gotta disagree with you.

But when you said you expect the future to sound like that, well he used to expect. I thought the street music was going like you gotta really could have the Street died. Yeah, but you know what it was when I came out, I explained to him earlier. I came out on n ninety seven, and Pump Daddy had me so heated with this shiny suit motherfucker's sun. Even when you were saying that ship, when you were saying that ship earlier, I was thinking, like, Na, you know

the trenches was the trenches was locked. Yeah, but you know what, we didn't have Twitter, we didn't have with the trenches. No, you know what trees the trenches making somebody albums or go to show exactly problem. You know, you know where they come and talk, but ain't going nowhere.

You know what I'm saying. But to see y'all do it. Oh, you know, I'm really I'm really, really pretty proud, and I really want y'all, you know, you know, as a crew, to make sure y'all keep it tight, because because there's gonna be nine problems and it's gonna be ninety nine answers of why you shouldn't be together. But it's the one reason it's just should pay attention to why you should stay together. And it's because of y'all. Was broke together.

I gotta stay rich together. That's a fact. That's a fact. That's what I was. Stay rich together. That's how I looked at it. You can't be broken. You can't be mother fucking broken and then get this money and then reaching gold with your dreams and then fall out over the paper. There's not enough more money in the world. And together doesn't have to be by anybod these definitions. But y'all people, but people look at it different when they when they when they see when they see us

branching off doing our shop. Because I'm gonna be honest, like I said this to you earlier, because it's y'all presented yourself as this perfect we've forgotten you're humans. Yeah, got your humans, real ships because y'are y'are presented it so well and so great that we're sitting back like, all right, cool. We we seen we seen the Scrapper season, who Taint Claim, we see the Discriper season, the Trial

cor Quest. You've seen the Screpu season, mab Deep, you see the screpaces and component we've all made it a publicly kind of like in an asshole way. But y'all, did you know what I'm saying, y'all didn't so we expect, but this is what we It's what you gave us. It's what y'all, y'all gave us as a team. Like we we we we don't want y'all be like like, you know what the crazy ship was Qui. I did a deal with a Quire and I were on the road with Quid and I realized if it goes space

to stop traveling the same bus together. The ship bothered me by the just like, wait a minute, why does Ghols have his own buss? Why does it Qua have his own bus? Waterfucker's ray and goals not on the same bus. And I didn't realize that everyone kind of needs days space. We're still together, but they need their space. So that next year, Uh, that's compota. Oriega, your own mother came to Miami. We're going to We're gonna definitely have our own ships. Yeah, I gotta spend the time

with you're all together. No, man, that's what the Chinese when even when we do got our own ships, that the conway, he gonna always make sure he comes to my trailer. You know you don't better do that. You know what I'm saying, that's that's big buzz. But you know me, that's the first thing I do. I'm I'm going to check in with West or what I'm saying, like I remained my humbleness. What I'm saying, like, I just I just learned that, you know, this, this ship is not easy, and it's all a bund of the

work that you put in. You just learned, he said, No, no, no, that's that's what I you know what I have them. Just learned that from why from from being in a situation where my cousin, my blood cousin tell me like nigga, I'm about to sign then interscope, I'm from Buffalore. I think I think we are rich each other. That yeah, you know what I'm saying. So I was lutely raking what I'm saying. But since seventeen, I was five years ago. So that's when I learned that. I think I got

five thousand jacket. He wasn't wrong when he said, but many more problems he was. He was not wrong, not really. So it's about the high work you put in, you know, I'm saying. So when the niggas, because I see lasted so long, all the niggas like even, like I say, even you think the first thing I think about, like, damn y'all niggas putting so much worse. Yeah, that's the first thing I think about. What I'm saying, I don't think about all the shining ship. I don't thinking about

the other ship that niggas go through. The to be here after so much time, you know, I'm so's it's hard because um, like you said, when you broke together and then you gotta stay together, that there's only two people. It's only two days that you can learn from a person. In real life, you can learn what a person is in two days. Why go to jail with him and to going forward with him? You will know from ship. You will know every ship that that that that that

that hurts you of me. You know that in the first four hours, you know, being self with the wild Niggers on tour. And that's that's our position, Wild niggas on talk ships. That's just what are we doing. I'm just saying, you know, niggas, no niggas, no me. I got to think it's with me who I probably should have with me. You know what I'm saying, just regular ship. We're just going on tour. We're having fun. But these my friends, these things, they don't come every time, but

we're gonna come in these times. And you know they love at wests love they don't don't don't, don't have nobody shooting fire. So we are doing we not shooting to my sticker ships. I brough one of my friends at the draw that he has never seen me again after this. He won't come over, won't come now. Maybe we got godless that his retirement. Come over, come on it, But you just be a wild nigger. No what me? Well, listen, I should stopped the homie. The homie pulled out the

big fire sticking ship. I said, you went first of all, you can't just pull it out. You gotta break some just trying to say, like the fire department come so I ain't a live part of me was like, you're gonna have to work that. Keep chouting. I say that tell a connected me. Actually, I just wanted to see what he can do. This is interesting, my dude, he said, it looked like nine eleven. The bree I've never seen

someone turned into a statue. If she came out him and he when the fires the box don't work, that way my story. She got an instant concretem and she who's spider Man. So you know I like this man, this is a great story. We got kicked out of the hotel immediately. I was actually when the hotel my room, I said, I ain't got nothing to worry about. I'm packing up. We at a lied because, like we had, a lot was waiting for you. They're waiting for you to come. And they know niggers on the raptor out

on the front smoking and ship. They can't wait here. Sign this no smoking maybe on your body when you pay a story. Try to get me recently smoking charge. God damn love y'all walk off. You have to relax. They took it off my build. What's your favorite? Making the music or performing the music? Mhm. I gotta say. I gotta say making the music, and I gotta say making a music that when I'm making the music, I'm on a different type of stage. You know what I'm saying.

I'm in the studio. I'm locked in. Don't let it be one of my favorite ships out Damn jer what I'm saying. I'm in, I'm one of my favorite studios. I'm locked in. I got all my niggas there is. It's a different type of performance, you know what I'm saying. Then you go in all eyes on you. We're going that, you know what I'm saying, Like real ship. I love that. Yeah. I was a found nigger like that one out the booth right iced to even fourteen niggas in the pool. Engineer.

I was the engineer's worst night man. Actually, we're gonna look at engineer right there. Worst night man my nigga. But it was worth the four Yeah, yeah, I don't know. I loved it because you know, I started writing rhymes with jail, so I like chaos. Yeah, man, I'm a I'm a different dude. I need noise. You know, most niggas quiet. I want to hear really ship. So that's when I started. You gotta realize, I started writing robs and I was in jail, so I couldn't write ROMs

to a beat. I had to write rhymes through the radio station, so I would right over nigga's beats. That is chaos. That is noise. And then by the way, this is myself mate to the left. He's jerking off the other nigga to the writers, trying to kill himself because he can't go to the yard that they just got his hurt. She kiss his soul in slinging the Hersey kisses that he just told she was just out

of control. And right I got drinking off. I had to block all that ship out and just sit down and just write rhymes and just right over there and put myself out of that equation. So that's why I just said, I appreciate your craft. I appreciate your heart because your heart through me right to where you were. But that's what I had to do, and Jail was right to be home. I had nothing else to do. So I'm writing from the perspective of a person at home, but I was not home. And that's the reason why

I enjoyed cam. That's why this ship works. Like I love this ship like I love engineer somewhere that worked with you in the past. That it's like I hate now right he was a genious that right now because we adopted where we go. I need, I need my friends. How about that? I don't. I don't want to mix and mingle with anybody anymore. I'm sorry I would with me man, let's let's argue, But I want to argue my friends that I don't argue, but knowing us so

you know we're the same way. After ship all my names, they're popping up and don't give a funk coming out of what we shouldn't be crazy who someone who gave you love that you would get an inspect to get you? Uh honestly, Uh nah, what I'm saying that I ain't gonna I mean turks, little big Yeah, why not see them at World in loud? You know what I'm saying. No, you don't know what ain't little woozy food shoulders. It was it was, It wasn't nothing like that. It was

that at the UH at the forty party. I went there and hold ship on the jet. When I went and ship, what I'm saying makes some noise for me. By the way, is a street nigger from everything right? He is not who he is. He's so we're moving through, we move, I'm moving through. I'm saying, he got a whole bunch of people around him. I got a whole bunch of people around me. But we lock eye and he's like, you know what I'm saying, on some street nigger ship, they did a buncher. I'm like, what I'm saying.

So I'm like, you never think a little bozy butcher. I'm taking a shot for that. So you want some Japanese tell y'all, this is like how you flug yourself here. I meant to make it believe that nobody got a jock class hell. You know what, Yeah he said, he making it ship. Now shout out to my Majuanna King. But he does make it up. Crib do you go? You got you got your shout out your own right? Ain't you playing this game? So what's the only thing goal? Now?

Everything I'm saying, you know, making your own movie to real shift. I got the movie deal with my n movie deal, sound soundtrack deal. I'm a gonna do Conflicted to We did that already. So that's my next ship, the movies. I signed a whole bunch of artists about to turn out turn my ship to a distribution company like all these other labels doing. You know what I'm saying, bro, shut up with a lot of rap niggers who who

gravitate towards me. You know what I'm saying, produced, They produce these niggas albums, and you know what I'm saying, they move around with these niggers and put shows together because like you said, like we said, the hip hop, the hip hop cloth is strong, you know what I'm saying,

And that's in all aspects. Put these shows together. Like I said, I'm I'm doing numbers at the shows that niggas who got what I'm saying, platinum albums doing the shows like and that ship spread spread around to the artists and everything. So what's funny is it's not no big Greado record, It's not no big streams. So it means that your man is you on your guys. Fans are like really still getting music the way we whatever, like mix tapes and like that. Not dead by the way,

that's a special thing. That's special. Yeah, grab shools connection. Yeah, there's no word of the word shot was one of the promoms that brings you out here. It's not a word of mouth for no more. This word of Twitter, this word of Facebook, word of Instagram. And you guys are still like with respecting all of us here. You guys are putting it out the way we put it out.

You know, if we offend dj efend you know, did D and dr TC and trial called question y'all are the only people who putting it out in the traditional way. That's why I feel like everyone is so proud of y'all is because it's not about the streaming with y'all. Ain't about that ship. It ain't about that, but nigger. That's that's special, man, And it's bridging the guy because they made it seem like everything was about the streaming. And I'm saying, you know, the merchant the merchants and

things we started doing. We didn't read, we didn't invent the finals because they said, you see the million and merch You know what I'm saying, Hell yeah, and that's what I do. But you know what I'm saying. A thing I mean with the homies are dude, right, you know what I'm saying, And that's nothing because that's how that's how the ship. That's how this independent ship was built. But that's how the gristel this ship was built on. It was built on doing everything. You know what's funded up.

We made T shirts that gave it away, damn. You know, that's when they can say, like this day we had a T shirt we had that telling them I ain't gonna live ain't a little bit who comfortable and we got got to come up. But I'm looking at all the new artists and ship and I was like, damn, I never been thought. You know what's funny. I used to spend on the T shirts and child show. Yeah halfway around, and they're gonna buy the motherfucker's. They're gonna

buy them Motherfucker's's what I'm saying. And heat and Greece people on the make the meeting Greece people wasn't doing that like the Tech nine of Strange because they was doing that when everybody was down there was up. Tell everything meet and Greece and they'll pay me for me agree. I always dr get down there. I always felt like I was jerking the fast. I didn't realize the fans

of jerking meat. I didn't realize I was supposed to take that shot like like like old new artists do it really again, there's another eight team, you know, and they go out, they meet these kids, they have somebody come in, have to take a pair of chup and then send them out. That's it. And nobody's saying that. Holly wasn't nobody They're like, no, this is a part of the everyday coaches and that's what they do. They want to pull up on you just yea and a lot of you know what I do. I do this

all the time. I just did want me and yeah, and a lot of sometimes just producers. They just got they got they got the little flash drive on them and they want to hand it to you to network works. Yeah, they know you can have your team there like you saying I'm wronging without all these niggasy these things. They like you. I'm trying to get Penny. This beat hard, but I got this brand. I want pause. They're paying for that. That's what they pay for, the investing themselves

to have that opportunity. And you might be lucky and find the next and the nigga like me. Like I said, the nigga like me. I'm in I'm I'm inna, I'm in the dirt, I'm in the mud. With this ship, I like to connect with the fans and connect with the you know what I'm saying, the people who really champion and ship. You know what I'm saying, Like these people meet me, they'd be like yo, I was. I was working with you in two seventeen and Andy and they took this ride with you know what it's like.

It's like we share this ship, you know what I'm saying. But they've seen the ship for every for every moment because we were your music. They said that you got the first. Yeah, I dropped my first. I dropped like I just dropped ten to talk for in motherfucking March eleventh, right, I dropped ten to talk to and August two thousand five. You know what I'm saying. So I'm got it wrong. Musicly got it wrong. They got that they got it sucked up, if that's what they say. They got that

ship all fucked up. Yeah, stop talking to Google, man, but we're about to ship. We've been man the ship. Let me not your mixtape Larry Jacks mixtape error. We've been doing this ship. So it's like to make it to this point. You know, it means a different thing to us. That's why we carry the way we carry. You know, what's the best mixtape arrab I set any time my artist, mix tape artists, mixtape artists, mixtape be be correct to how you say, what's this? What I'm missing?

Somebody who a little way? No, but you say mixtape a little way. The artist he goes so hard because who is it's g unit set? What about it? Early too? But about the thing, That's what I'm said, artists, okay, who else? I can't believe it. I'm forgetting He skipped the classic classic Instagram the other artist hold on home

because uh hold on, let me do it. There was a classic material is He just posted a thought it was a great he said, say said g unit Yes, trying to think of whose trying to collectives that the mix tapes, there's not many. No, no, you can't bring a classic materials ship Wayne Wayne Wayne mixed him the fifty To me, that was like the artist mix tape era, it's dip set. Definitely the dips that definitely not me being from where I'm from. The dips that crazy, that's saying.

Joel said, of course, what's your favorite mixed tap? Mm hmm. But we're bout to take a shot for this, even though quick time Star, I'm gonna say, I'm gonna say, like like I said, I'm taking a ship that like that was personable to me, like hearing hearing Juel Santana human cracking the flesh, knowing me and him was around the same age. That that made me feel some type

of weight. You know what I'm saying, Like, damn I could do this, that should was that that ship struck the definitely we're fucking cheap, motherfucking Silverback and Thrillers ships, all of that ship funk with the dip ship fun with h All Bank ship, all Lloyd Bank ship. That's

my nigga. But Haring Haring, Harring arolds go and knowing that he was around the same age, Yeah, seeing what he was doing, you know that, even motherfucking watching another bad creation back in the day, watching them, Yeah, seeing those boys my age a PC, Yeah, a PC. That mad niggas you want to do it like you watch people in your age that ship that ship crazy. He was their age when they was doing it. No, no, like when when another bad creation was on TV, there

was kids. I was a kid. Yeah, it was age that seven years old, eight years Never thought you would ever say that, but that's crazy. Was watching a little backge like but that's but that's where's yeah, that's actually reached out. Yeah, yeah, alutly you know you know who I was. I like I forgot to like shout out and like be clear up because he was very much there for me. I needed a Chico to barge. Yes, Chico, I don't know where you at. I don't know what

you're doing, but please he was an album. He was on your first, He was on a yeah she goes really no listen. I worked through because I was like, this is the barge of jail and that's just love. That was like funk that. I want to work with the gangster one. So I'll reached out the checko. I'll reach outther Chico. He hen into the studio. We had a ball and I've actually never really like we've never really seen each other. This is this is my this

is my saying. It's like yo, like you know, because it's it's it's people like that and I want you to always um to recognize it. It's there's certain people that's gonna funk with you, like you said that earlier. But there's certain people gonna suk with you because there's

genuine love. And there's other people that's gonna sunk with you because you are the person to funk with, you're the person to stand next to, like you gotta you gotta be clear who is who and who is who at what times because it's not therefore they are being who they're gonna be. I told you to be who you're gonna be, So you gotta know, like this, certain people that's gonna come, they ain't gonna want money, they ain't gonna want They're just gonna want the genuinely want

you to win. That's one of that for new artists, that's one that like that. That's one of the biggest things of this ship. Just realize and who's who was or what and and how personal you taking. Yeah, so I always want you to know that, because uh, there's gonna be some real ones. But they might have the same approach as to faith one, right, they had the same as that, and they might say the same as that millions, Yo, I love you, I funk with you. You're a good one, you're a real one. But then

it might be a fake person that comes. It does the same exactly generic greeting. It's going you to understand who is who it's not even when your friends, it's not even my homies. It's like, because you're gonna understand that handshake, you know when you get a good handshake and you know we're just something funny about it, and there's something like and because this is a. This is

a beautiful, sick, foul fuck up gain. Usually when you don't that favorite for niggas, that's when who they that's when they turned into what they what they really are like. You know, I'm gonna hang around this niggaun til I can I can get a that's this nigga sing the energy change And I'm saying, time is everything, man, real ship. No, you didn't say before we get a about that, I ain't. I want to say I'm one of the top niggas in this ship. I thought I thought we were clear

on that. You know, after after my catalog for the people who know, I'm saying, after you go back and look at that ship, you go back and look at what I've been through, and then we seldom what we did. And I'm saying I'm one of the top niggas in this ship. And to be honest with you, not because what I'm saying, or not because I'm the best rapper, but it's because I'm like niggas who can wrap just as good as me or better than me. I'm I'm cooler than the niggas. I'm more authentic than them niggas,

and that plays a part. You know what I'm saying, and for all of those reasons, I'm I'm who I am, and we like that. I'm gonna take you something or I saw you this debut at depth. Jim again, I know you ain't taking this for granted, and I know I know you ain't. I know you ain't a slap, I know. But for us, for people who came from came from the generation, we need you to go all the like this right here, Look look at it right here. You're giving us a smell and I'm not. I'm not.

I want you to read this. Put your season right there. So what I'm saying like like that, yes, like that, I'm sorry for this burden on your back, but we need you call out. We need you to take this ship real because you represent all of us at this table. What I'm saying, hip hop, you represent lyricism that has been dying in this culture. You represent culture has been

dying in this culture. You represent all of that. And I say that just saying we got your back, but don't the slack of a moment, not even a little second. Because the people who hate all coaches, that people hate lyric system and people who hate feel it music when you could feel it in your soul. Those people hate it. They're gonna be to nothing. One ship right right outside, and that's what I want. These other rap rap niggas and know, like you know this this in no right here.

You see what he's saying to me. It's like these niggas don't got that pressure of the legends like carry this ship. These niggs it's really nilly doing what they're doing. You know what I mean? Pressure comes with that when when you bump? When when when this niggas say that, when the nigga like kids say that, nigga's like, y'all, you know what that means? That's the standard. How many niggas you say, these niggas stand like you're saying, yea, so exactly so so we understand what that me. I

understand what that. You understand your side. We don't carry We're gonna carry Harry tupman Um you said carry Trump. I love it, man, I love I love the fact. So what the producers that you ain't work with yet that you would like to work I need to work with for real, Definitely, I want to work with he ain't Definitely I want to work You never got nothing,

do nothing, oh ship nothing. It was just good for Timberland. Uh, motherfucking just everybody who got some dope ship everybody, you know, you know, like I gotta get ship in with the legends. Like I said, I'm I'm the y'all told I told you, so bring my name up when y're arguing with these niggers. We do bring my name up. You later been to do and that you can see it on drink. Always keep that energy, yes, because I mean that's that's that's really it man. It's um you know, um, I'm gonna

ended with this. Let me start with you happy, my friend. I don't love the music. No, that's ill. Never, not once, never about you. Never my dog can say that, motherfucker's a good life. Life life. You know what, maybe I should have asked this question different. I know what I felt out of love with the music business. For the game, I can say for me a million percent, that is an easier I think everybody goes through situations, you know

what I mean. But the games, the game was the game before we got into it, right, talk that ship, that ship, like like I said, it goes back to what you negotiate, right, you know, I can't you can't live in the world. Well I should have got this, I should have got that, or getting what you negotiate? Why you know what I mean? So, but to answer

a question, nah, not even the game. I can't think that's why I felt a love without the music music, that that's why I worried the question bro music, I don't think I've never falled of love with music thing, but the business business. The more I learned, the more I was like, why am I even fall right? Like this is the worst long one you could ever get. What I tell the nas, it's like just because you got the talent or just because you got whatever, like

this might not even be for you. This ain't sabody I'm saying, this ain't for everybody. You know what I'm saying, even like I said, like from being here, like I see like why the niggas who who was dope? Who not? What? Ain't you know what I'm saying because it wasn't for them?

And from being an artist, I don't even I don't even share that because I feel like a lot of the ship that I go through on my little level that these niggas, it's hard to deal with this dumb with this dumb ship because like every generation gets up, gets a ball, they get a little bit further and us as ogs have to salute that. The problem is the young homies probably donna salute the ogs back. But this is why I want to make it even. But

um so, so I want you to finish. Actually, so you have fell of luck you felt I don't business or tell six okas playing that um having to have a little man to go between you and the fans that don't little understand what both sides of the table before talking about that's kind of difficult. Yes, what I'm saying no, because we I mean we have an agree with our facts. Yeah, you know what I'm saying. I have a gread. I know what I was supposed to do. You know what I'm saying. When people man in between

that's trying to you know, it's kind of frustrating. No, it's a need a better word, it frustrated. And hand you it's your first major release. But have you eppen like when you really understood the business or starting to understand the business, have you said, yo, man, this is this is a whack ship. Hell yeah, little ship, that's what I understand. I'm like, damn, this this is some bullllshit because even when I see it, I was so caught way on the Breakers club he said. He said,

it's pretty much the same thing. It's like signing to with Shady wasn't all that he he told us cracked up to be. And it made me. It made me think, like, damn, so many people think that when you signed to the lately supposed to get an eminem birds right to be the team they're trying to dream, cha's supposed to get the normy to you, like you're not actually actually have to. But that's what I'm that from that situation that Okay,

ain't gonna give you ship right. They just can't give you select things and you need to fill in the blaze. But that's what I'm learned, Like, damn this, this ship ain't cracked and this ain't what the people think. And you and sometimes we we feel like we're held under under the people, uh what they think what I'm saying, But they don't know. They don't know ship, Like the

fans don't know ship. Let's talk about that. They don't need but they think they know because they don't know what they don't just seeing how many fans be telling me we know what you did and they also know you. That's like the most disrespect thing you could say. You don't nominy, you be. I don't work hard like I don't work like none of this ship like this ship like you don't see none of this. That's what I'm saying.

They don't know ship like like a big thing. But I hear fans say it's like, yeah, this nigga, this nigga work for rock Nation. Yeah, nigg your your boss, you work for rock Nation. Jesus, that's what That's what they say when that's what they say when they're trying to degrade me. Jesus, that man, that's what your management. You know what I'm saying. You pay your management work for you exactly. They don't understand it, but that's what they say when they're trying to degrade you. You know

what I'm saying. So it's like this should you're crazy? Yeah, that's that was That was passive aggressive ship. Being down with Violator. Violator was like that too, Like if you was down with Violator when you out there on rock Nations, your luminati too. Yes, I've got that. I got they always thought that you used that with Violator, he was down on a lutleminati. But that was not the truth. Baby. Chris was a great fucking person. He was He single handedly knew how to hustle. So it made it look

like it. But I'm gonna tell you something. I will tell you something that said this morning, Metal called me and that's my guy, and I said, you know he was. He was just saying, it's mentioning something about rock Nation, And I said, rock Nation is the best management. But if you ain't doing nothing, they can't do nothing for you. That's for any really really like if if you just not lit, they can't get your listen, listen, real ship though.

Who want to be at rock Nation? Not hustling? Not hustling? Who want to be over there like you, you know, like the big dog get to see the sheet? Yes, you know what I'm saying. Who bringing it away? Who? Who want to be over there? Not hustling? That's how I look at it, real talk, real talk, because I mean that's what it was like in Violator. We alls violated, right, That's what it was about. Its violated. It's saying I'm gonna keep you litting and I'm gonna get you, but

you got to go out and do it. Once you do it, and that's I feel like rock Nation is. I feel like that. Um, what's the purpose of being in the industry right now? What's your favorite? I'm actually about performing and um, I'll making the music. But what's your favorite overwall being in the music industry. I'm not gonna lie. And it's just sounds cliche, but I'm thirty seven years old. I'm I'm an older nigga. Like it's being accepted amongst my peers. You know what I'm saying.

That's a lot. That's that's still one of my ships. Nig It's like you hold smooth crazy. You know what I'm saying, Like, let's be real here. You know what I'm saying, Like listen all y'all nigga, So that that's just let me know I'm on the right path. I'm saying when I look at the round table and to see to see wuel around me and see and see what's going on. So ship like that. That's a fire answer. Man,

I didn't know what on the low. It's an eyest answer because like I said earlier, we all wanted to be recognized by the generation that I know you got. You got the only reason man, Like, like one of my favorite rappers this Granddaddy are You? Nobody knows why because I don't sound like Grandaday, but back then that was that was the person that you love. You don't

want to sound like him. I don't know. So a lot of people always say, I see the grant is my favorite rapping Like nick I can't hear Granddaddy are You? And you had on but he said a line changed my life. He said he knew a girl named Kenya from West Virginia, and boy would he liked to stick something in it. I said, I want to do whatever that need. I don't know what that ship were right there, but that ship had me go. So I say that to say it's the same thing, right, Like I want

to give this culture back so much love. This culture has actually saved my life to three times. Like I literally I am hip hop's child. I'm literally I'm forty four years old. I think hip hop is forty six or seven, So that means I listened to hip hop my struggle Like I know this because if you cut me hip hop coming out. I love this coach I love, So this is when my when I get to give love back. It so that answered I say. I'm saying

this to say that answer you just said. It's not Howard answered that question, but it's Howard adds up life. You know what I'm saying. That's how I asked a life because I probably ought the seventh grade. I'm dyslexic. There's no way I'm supposed to make money of her words. I'm not real ship. You should an industry that ship a factory. Yeah, just thinking about it, I'm this selexic and I dropped out of the seventh grade, so words is supposed to be the last thing I make money from.

It picked you and I got a chance to rhyme in front of the world. I got a chance to perform and word, I've traveled the world seven times. It's pretty real talk. And I took it for granted. I used to complain about being in Paris. This man I want to before my club Speed Nigga ain't parents at the time they went performing. You'd off Germany. Mhm. Sorry to say the sugget, but it wasn'tuntil I met my wife, and my wife said, you ain't never gonna get playing

about being in Paris again. You're gonna enjoy this, motherfucker. We're going to the ching tower all that, getting the lock. We're gonna lock Jork. I had to had to make a lot of just real sucker. Ship. We put a lock They don't know if a lock ridge, I mean by myself ridge. You know rid you want your lady take a lot, You take a lot and you put it on a lock bridge, and you lock it on

the lock bridge. Do you take the key to it and you throw this ship at the bottom of the ship, and it's supposed to be just as long as that lock state you want your lady supposed to be together. Whatever. This is the most sucker. I did it. I did it. I went I did not. I mean, let me let me cat. I want to go home. And so I didn't understand it until I came home and people we had the pictures of it, and people like Mabe you were dot careers like yo, what the your toast talking about?

Bridge for? You know what I'm saying. And I will realize. And then my mother called me and I'm beating with the promoters. Promotor put me in a hotel where I'm on the seventh floor and my DJs on the fourth floor, and we're talking to each other. I'm like, yo, boy, you're like what over there? Hard? My mother called me and my mother said, your phone is ringing, funny baby, I said, Mom, I'm in Paris. My mother said, I give my left leg to be in Paris. Yeah, I

am complaining be in Hollywood. Ship And then I started to enjoy life. I started to do that. And this is what hip hop gives you. This is what hip hop gives you. Hipop makes your vacation home Paris. And yeah, and you could you can? You could? You can say no and not accept that love, or you can accept the love. So I say that to say thank you to my wife. I know she's not here. I'm not in the doghouse, guys, I'm not in the dog because

actually we're actually on the great level. But I remember, if it wasn't for her, I was looking at it as if I wasn't performing in the tunnel. I wasn't performing in club speed, I wasn't performing in Copa Cabama, I wasn't performing in uh Latin quarters. So I was I was hated because because you get a time where America's gonna cut you off. America's gonna say, nope, you won fifty Nope, nope. But guess what, But go to Europe. They're still love eros. Give it, but don't be like

mean me. I was like this, and I was, I was, I'm going over there for the first time the next month. That's a beautiful thing for the first time. Guys globed And I'll tell you we're going to Paris. Who We're gonna fucking Amsterdam? I forgot what else You're going got some other ship and I'll tell you another thing. I'll tell you another thing. Um Nas made this album called

hip Hop? Was that? And when he made that album, that's what When I was touring Europe, and that was the only thing I ever said the nas, I said, it's not that it's in Europe. They still break dance out there, they still write a FEEDI out there. They still they actually still have the five elements of his

back and respected and respect more than anything. So I can't wait for you to go yeah, I can't wait for you to continue to do your dude what you're doing, because I know I said a fifteen million times, but I'm gonna say fifteen million more. You make Niggers like us proud. We want you to keep the cult alive exactly how you're doing it, the way y'all doing it

with the super dope lyrics, filling music. Um, if you was to ask me what could I if you was to ask me right now, what could you do better than you're already doing, I would say no comment because I feel like you're doing everything right. And I want to tell you that to your face as a man, because that ship makes me real, proud, makes me real. Case in any case, you know now no other legend or o G or whatever you want to call off that she never said that to your face. I want

to say it. And I don't want to say to your face behind the scene, classid, to your facebox. I'm gonna say it's to your face in front this beautiful show that I built that was keeping legends alive and keeping people who belong to this culture, giving them a platform, giving them a voice to say. And I have to say it in front of those cameras the same way I said it to you off the cameras. And we really appreciate you. We we are hip. Hoper got your back.

I love it hip hop got I want to before we get up out of here, because UM, I feel like you've got something to say to the people. Is there is there anything you want to leave them with? Flash? Just you know what I mean, Like we we gotta we got a lot to bring to this ship. I'm saying, Griselda the Black Supremo Family drum Works, we got a lot to bring to the ship, and ship just gonna get greater later we've been we've been on ascension for

five years. What I'm saying, we're gonna keep doing that as long as we're moving forward, as long as if this the collective is getting bigger. And I'm saying I just hit uh number twenty two and the billboards that was our that was a result as big as ship. You know what I'm saying. As long as we're moving in directions like that. So of course with the depth gym, ship we're reaching for hire. Yes, you know what I'm saying.

So just ship like that, we're just gonna we're just gonna expand this ship that I think, UM, what's my man name that I took over the president ship to? Um? I see him touchy the day that he took over the presidency. I took a picture of he took a picture. He was like, because they had a secret depth playing party. I was I wasn't invited by the way I had like went to the wrong door, and I was like, oh, ship did we took a picture? And I think he's gonna do right. I think he understands the coach. I

heard a number of good things about it. I listened. Guy's a great guy. But I think he understands the cold kill. And I think that's what everyone wants to do is do right by hip hop exactly the basic access of hip hop, which means exactly so. So when the label like Devil Jim seek out a person like me, you already know that, you already know the intent. I can respect that. What I'm saying, I can respect that. And let me let me before we get about here.

How was it? Snooper? Snoop called you direct and said, yo, did you just say it earlier? But how was that issue? First call? What where was you at? How to Snoop get your number? I went, I want to go how oh he was at the studio? Okay, what I'm saying he was at the studio in New York City. Okay, when I went there, I can't remember the studio, but it's like it's like a dev jam studio. And Snoop told us this story. And I went to the studio.

He had to beat playing and I already know, like I'm like, I killed his beat, Like you know what I'm saying. Like he he ended up asking me to rap over the beat, and I wrapped over the beat and that's she told the album of the album. And it's like he you bost up and kiss basically like Snoopy. He he like told me he got me on the phone with jeffre Houston. H what I'm saying where me and Jeff, like you know what I'm saying, discussed the terms. Uh you know what I'm saying. Uh what was on

my mind? You know what I'm saying because I never got that, you know, Jeff, I guess through my managers. I was talking through somebody and he was talking through whoever. You know I'm saying. So we just talked about it, and you know it's crazy. I'm gonna be honest with you. They don't. I hope I ain't saying that wrong, but they don't like when I say this ship cool. What I'm saying, it's just like and that it's they don't like when you give, when you just say what we're

really went on? No, I don't don't. I don't know. I think you're incorrected when it says that. I think they just want to seem like the bigger person. As long as your big good moment in the story, it's good. But let me just say something. The reason why I snoop is a perfect Sometimes it happens like that. Sometimes out of Town's got a show. Yeah it's New York is how many I don't think it's a town thing.

It's a hip hop thing. It's really like and it's really like a a transparency thing with me because I'm not motherfucking jay z or Liar Cohen or Steve stouting him nigga, I'm who I am. I don't I don't know the business. And then out like that. So I funk with what makes me feel comfortable first and foremost. Then table with the shot that you know what I'm saying, I'm done. Take a shot. It's the last one. It's the last. What is it? This is it? You know

what I mean? One more that's it Yo, man, Benny, Like I said, I'm very proud of you when he continue to do what you're doing. Uh are you're keeping the legacy alive, keeping the form real hip hop alive. We want to say we respect, We should lout that. Thank you for coming. We got the legends, you know what I mean. This is a lot of okay, you want this back right because I'm like, you're not. I hope this wasn't brot because I'm taking from our own table.

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