Episode 303 w/ Twista

hoping he would should be? This your boy and o R What up is d J e f N. This drink has motherfucking yapia makes up right now. When we talk about legends, you talk about the man who has been consistent since the nineties, kept it out there, kept it going. When I googled him, this was kind of crazy, today was, well, it was kind of crazy to today was. I didn't realize how many people you were beating with. I didn't realize. I was like, wow, like she just

kept leaving me the other ship and understand. But anyway, let's get back to I mean, the man is a we can't call him a he's a super legend. You know when you you could really say this, but when you think of a city, you think of a man that was there, like that's that's who. He's there, holding down the whole city and just keep getting better and better and better and better. And at first like was like, what's going on here? You realize he's saying ship it's

not you know, you know what I mean. It's in case you don't know who what we're talking about. We're talking about one the only motherfucker' twister Mason not twist. You literally got songs with everybody. Yeah, literally the Champagne. It's the Champagne going we are looking crazy, man, you know what I mean? You're so but you got songs with everybody. Yeah, it's a bunch of people. Man. So

so what is that like you do like collaborating? Is that something that's that's that's uh yeah, yeah, I love collaborating one just off the top, just just you know, because it's it's my craft. I like doing it. But the other thing too, is like you got a lot of people that won't get on a song for a particular reason or they might think it's or something like that. No, No, I'm talking about like they're collaborating with with with somebody else. They might uh not want to do a song because

they don't like it. But me, like, I'll hear a song and I'll find a way or reason to be able to do it and still pull out of it what I want to. So that's one of the reasons I do a lot of collap bals. What's your favorite collap was with rappers or R and B singers because you got both equally? Oh that's a harbor. Probably probably rapp Us, you know, you know, because I get to go, you know, back and forth with somebody and then a lot of times you still have an R and B

singer on there too, So probably rapp Us. Okay, Okay, So let's take it back West side of Chicago, right, Yeah, I got notes and ship Kate Town area. Yeah, let's let's say let's take us to the Yeah, you Kate Town area, and this is where you start, this is where you developed because I heard you they said that you learned it through a stereo. You was listening to hip hop and you you felt like, what's the earliest stuff you were here, the earliest stuff that inspired you.

I mean really like listening to see I was on the West side of Chicago, but we we had uh h p K. This was a college radio station, JP Chill on on the on the South side, and he played a lot of hip hop and you know the Mecca, you know, New York. It was a lot of stuff I was listening to as well as a bunch of artists on the South side of Chicago, people like d

A Smart, a bunch of people doing anything. And uh so that's how I really really got into it and really got like advanced because I was able to hear a lot of records that a lot of people wouldn't have heard if JP Chill wasn't playing them joint so so so I was just really the manager Eric de Wiz right too, right, yeah, okay, And he worked for the radio station. Yeah, he was working for the radio stations.

And you took you do how like? Because like I just asked Pat Poost this because he kind of got on through K Slave and K Slave was working for seven So I always thought that that was a plus for Pat Poots. He was telling me that was a negative because people always would be like, well, uk Slave, boy,

you don't need my help. Yeah, I mean it definitely was some hurdles in there, you know, it was from hurdles, but a lot of it was just being from from the city, being from Chicago, new to the game, learning it, you know, not not really being accepted. It wasn't a lot of Chicago hip hop artist gap. So we was new, you know, coming from the city. You know, so like, let let's go. Do you want to why the sea? I think I think what we're going on? Like in New York we see that ship, were like what the

man we was? We was around him a lot. Man you had, you had Bishop Bishop, so him being from Chicago, we was coming outside. He was on Madison Street. We're seeing him every day, you know, so him, a lot of the guys around. You know. It was just the vibe and then the music, you know what I mean. It was a lot of a lot with the music. Then my man A K from dew or Die. He was the one that you know, came to me with the song like let's you know, like I want you to jump on this song. So so it was just

the vibe that we was on at the time. You know, you ever pimped, No, I ain't question you dry for half an hour. It didn't work for half I ain't got that one. Now. Trust we know you're in the gun camp and all that, But today we want you to know this is drink chance. This about we celebrate our artists. It's about time you get your motherfucking flowers.

You understand what I'm saying. We're gonna drink some champagne. Which, look, you just told us you play out at least at least in your mind a little bit, right me too. Don't work for people. We're gonna celebrate you. We're gonna drink up this goddamn champagne. You're gonna have some drinks with me. Man, Come on that I might take one. Come on, come on now, come on. Oh you know you know the day of the show is called drink camps. Right, let me pull you up, Let me pull you up.

Come on, yeah, let me pull you up. So what you've been up to? Man? Man? You already know. Man, just doing doing a lot of a lot of a lot of instructing, a lot of shooting. You know, still doing my music thing. You know, I got some businesses going, you know, still out here moving around and enjoying my life. You know, trying to uh, how you adapting to social media? Um? It was crazy at first, I think for everybody, but

you know, I came along. I think I think, once you really are passionate about something, you know, because people you came from Chipler's circuit, like you know, like when Nis like that was the real chip from you have to you have to actually go to the clubs to get these fans exactly, just go online and get these fans? Are you cool with that? Is that take you to your drink? So? I think it's uh, I think it's come on, what's going on here? On? You adapt into? Um,

you're adapted into I think. Um. I think with with early on like technology, you know, we couldn't get to it. So and then you had a few people, you know, you had a few artists. You ain't you didn't have a lot of people to battle way, but it was hard to get to the technology. But then I think once we got to it, you had everybody doing it. So I think, you know, it's kind of hand in hand, Like I don't think one way is harder than the other.

I think right now it's eating like it's easy to promote yourself, but you gotta promote yourself next to the person next to the person next to the person quarters and ship too, right, you're this precious? Remember this who precious? No, I wasn't mean man the actor. Yeah, yeah, it wasn't. Yeah, I remember the situation that happened. Yeah, what happened? You know,

someone's going on with my social media. You know some some some people was working with social media at the time, and and uh got a little too loose with with the fingers, you know, because you know that definitely ain't my vibe, you know for sure, you know, and then you know a lot of the true fans they already know. I don't know, that wasn't twisted. That wasn't twisted. So you know, you know, my apologies to her too. I did apologize, but yeah, that wasn't my vibes. Make some

noise for that. But let's let's go back. How did you get into chopping? Like? What inspired you to start fast? As you started rhyming? Um, you know you might have different different names for it, but I just got into it really just just early on. Want to switch up the style a little bit, you know, everybody doing like punchlines metaphors. I'm like, but I was like rhythmical with it, so I wanted to just do something different, So I started just playing with the cadence and stuff like that.

Then it would be like a spurt Head, then a spurt Dad. And one day I just decided I want to make a whole song like that. You know, you start hearing other rappers doing what you're doing a little bit too, you know, so I'm like, damn, okay, let me make a whole verse like this, you know. So then I made this verse called Mr. The Tongue Twister. Then that's when everybody's yeah, yeah, yeah, So you know, then I just dropped the tongue calling twister. You know.

So the other rappers they were young, You was tongue. Look at this dude, you know. Did you and the dude from Nicks every battle. I don't know why I keep feeling like I heard that. No we didn't. We didn't actually battle, but me and him we had that vibe like like he was spitting on his level, I was spitting on my level. We saw each other that Uh. It was one of the one of I think it was in San Francisco, one of the big conventions or one of the things they had back in the days,

and we saw each other and just yeah, chick foo. Yeah, but uh, you know, we caught that vibe, but we ended up chopping it up, you know. So so we never got a chance to do a record together, but you know, we still probably end up doing something. But yeah, chick foo, we we actually had a little fear for each other. I was listening to that style. I was like, damn, let's killing it, and then he was listening to me, like, surely killing you know. So we chopped it up about

that a little bit. That was fun. So let's just be clear. M hm. With the first fastest tongue in the world. Man, it's debatable, Man, it's debatable. Okay, I feel like you're being too humble, so I'm gonna let you say that. But why is it debatable? Let me hear that you got people that feel other people started like you know, you got you got some people feel bone thugs and how many started it? Some people feel

treached on it? Then you got I can go back further than that with records like uh, jay Z and jazz O doing originators, records like that, LLL doing records like why do you think they call it that was that was almost two thousand. No, no, not nothing. It was it was, it was, it was, it was. It was pretty bad. Yeah, that's after. That's after. Yeah, no, I don't no, it's wait further back now, Yeah, yeah, it goes back flavor. But that's not what he just said.

He just said originators. That was what you think about that record? Yeah, but no, but he's but he's talking about probably when they didn't did it before. I just think, you know, it was it was a time frame. I think everybody was dabbling in it and everybody wanted to claim it. You know, so this book of World Records came and said this is that nigger. Yeah, that's what happened.

You know, how did that feel? Like? What kind of because you know, we like we're getting plaques and you know what I mean, Like, but how did that feel? When again it's the World Records called you, Like, who gives you that call? Your manager? I was I was on Loud Records at the time, you know, Loud Records the Roster and uh it was Fade, my man Fade. He was there at the time, and he told me, man,

you know what's this record? Uh? And again this book for the for the world's fastest syllables and like, yeah, like five hundred some syllables in sixty seconds different ships. So I don't know what that technically mean. I just know what some smart ship some fashion it was. But you know it was like a gift to me. I'm like, oh ship, you know, it was the perfect promotion to for me. So I got in there, you know, try

to see why I was that with it. You know, I said, Okay, I'm gonna stop at six hundred syllables in sixty seconds. So I was off about two syllables. But it was cool. Now did that Did that get every other rapper who thought that they were fast? Or for you? Or that made people want to challenge you more? Um, probably later on because the you know, nobody really broke the record for a long time. Like by the time somebody started messing with it, I was like out of

that with it. So so for a long time people really respected and I think, you know, so the record, I forgot the shorty name and one of them shorties. Yeah, I don't know, man, I was I was on the making records and doing other things about then, so so and that's what I wanted. I actually wanted somebody to come like I stopped that six hundred syllables because I knew I could go further, but I stopped. Nobody never challenged the record, so you know, I just wrote it

out and I got into making music. You know, now, how did so? I loved how you just said, um when I asked you, uh, the inventors of this style? You did say track you said, some people say the tracks you said, some people say boom. Yeah, what if you had to say? Because I want to talk about you know, y'all discrepancies. Is me being honest with it, Me being honest with it, Like I said, you got

you got like like rapids developing at this time. You know, people people are getting more advanced with it, like playing what they shoot a little bit. And I just think I think it was growing everywhere early nights and I think everybody was kind of playing with the style a little bit and coming up with a way to switch

the cadence up. And I just think you had people doing it and and and they respected areas, you know, whatever was that and you know, because we had Kanye on here, and I think that's what he says said that was the only difference between um jay Z and nas is that jay Z knows how to chop and no, not a chop. And I've really understand until I'm actually going and I was like, oh, that's what y'all really call it? So you did did, because yeah, you came

out like yeah, yeah. And if they would say tretch, then that means tretch tretching them was late eighties, right, it really were. Remember they had the group before. I mean, if you're counting the group before Naughty, there was a group before. Yeah, they talked about it with us man for god, what what what group you're talking about? They had a group. They had a different name something. Somebody pulled up a different name for the group before. It

was not by nature. And then then he said bones dogs. Yeah, I wouldn't bone would come out if you came out ninety one. Bone came out, but I don't want I think they came out ninety four, right, b Yeah, bone was definitely ninety It had ninety four. Okay, So and you was using that style on record in ninety one. Yeah, I mean if you were talking about even Fushnikins, that's way early nineties as well. That's what year was it? Wrong?

But what you say, Yeah, ninety two fushing against you. See, so if we're going by just google right now, you're coming out nine one only one ninety two. I hadn't heard that style until you came out. Well, you know, I think I think, uh, I put a stamp on it. You know, I think I put my foot in it. You know, so you actually who invented it or that, you know, you got different versions of it. I just I might consider myself the Michael Jordan's version of it.

But you know that. But but like you said, people could have been doing it in their city wait before anybody heard it. That's what kind of what you probably was saying there when nobody would have known. Right now, Now, what's the relationship with comment me in Comment? Not cool? Like we don't talk a lot or anything. But when we see each other, you know, we always chop it up, you know, talk about a few things. Yeah, we're cool. We we just got a cool relationship. What's your relationship

with the young Drill music and shot town Man? It's usually cool all the time. You know, somebody might call me ump, you know, I got war Hall might call me what up? You know, so so it's always uh, it's always cool, man. You know. Sometimes they might ask me certain things or for advice, but most of the time they just look at me and call me O, G man, what up O? G what up O? You don't want me to come to the studio sometime? Check them out? Hop on a record or two here and there.

You know, Yeah, stuff like that that makes some noise for that now you was he was kicking it with our Kelly for uple for a minute too. You were kicking it. When you keep you we can do it back on me easy. That literally got he got some records. And that's just you know, besides being funny. Um, there wasn't nothing like that, but described to the people who are was before we knew who are is? Man? That was the man he was. He was the man like like it was debatable who was who was the greatest

of all time? You might hear a lot of people say a bunch of things, but when you start lining them records up and what he put out and how he was doing it, and the live performances and the songs that he wrote for other people, stuff like that, like his body of work and what he was doing and how much of a perfectionist he was and man, he was like one of the greatest man you know, and if you got a chance to work with him,

you know, you you felt solidified. You know, you felt like you was in the game and you had to get you know, you got you a shot if you got a chance to work with r. Kelly, you know, especially for your city, because it was like to tell you to too. But that was like the first artists like to break out, like to be now act. Yeah, he was, he was the man. He was the man

in the city. Man. We had a huge yeah for sure. Yeah, but we can't make a noise for that because she's gonna get real with me too, I'm gonna be talking about because the career side, they can't make no noise for that one right there. It's just a god damn you brought it up. Hey man, listen, I listen, man, because you're my friend. I still had to google and do my due diligence that what's going on, you know what I'm saying. So yeah, all right, let's go. You

also had you gotta record with Chris Brown. Yeah, yeah, make a movie, make a movie. Uh just really wanted them on the joint. Yeah, that was a joint. I wanted them all like like me, my crew were just mutually decided at the time. I forgot what record we was listening to at the time, but we felt that it was dope. If he's seen that particular record. You know what I was. You know what I noticed about you. You make a lot of records for the feet else.

A lot of people don't know that because you're so lyrical. You gotta way with being super hip hop. Like all the hip hop hip hoppers love you because you're a hip hopper. But you you get away with stilling some great singles. That's for the ladies and nobody cause you commercial. I think, man, you gotta have that. You gotta have it. You know some some of the big artists, you know, they're able to do that and it's nothing. They go to their they go to their rap ship, they go

to that type of vibe. So so I just think you gotta have it. That's one thing too. I think it helps that my cadence is really like that whole double time cadence is really an R and B or slow song type of cadence. So I think that kind of plays into it too, that you know, if I'm rapping on a certain tempo. They fit on the same melodies that people sing songs on. So a lot of times that's how a lot of those features came about to with with me doing and then just the songs

in general. That was like that. It was easy to put like R and B artists and singles on certain hooks, and you know, it was the vibe. Did you did you ever question changing your style or did anybody ever tell you, oh, this is already hell yeah old yeah all the time? Yeah, shit like rapping fast yeah, you know the first ship I heard, you know, because we were from Chicago, so ain't nobody accepted it? You know what I'm saying. So the first thing I'm rapping, boom,

what's the first thing you think they said? When I'm wrapping, nobody hearing this ship yet, and I just come out wrapping. I didn't understand what you get the funk out of here with the fast ship. Get the funk out of here with the fast ship. We don't know what, you know, So that I had to deal with a lot of that then, you know, like just being from the city and we're not really being accepted as artists, you know, like people look at us more as fans and ship

you know, they come there and rock out. Yeah, Chicago fans, they didn't really look at us too much as artists at the time. So I felt like, you know, you just have to break into Kanye West. We're talking about he's probably going further back, going back when remember me and Comment is the first two artists that that pretty much came out. Yeah. Yeah, So so we were talking like no Idea was in front line at that No, no, it was coming yeah yeah. And he still had twilight

tone around two at the time, so yeah yeah. And you saying, so I don't understand. So you're saying that shot Town wasn't respected at that time. It's the same thing I've been telling you, man, the same thing said, we wasn't accepted for not not like other genres of music, but rap shit, No, Chicago wasn't being heard. Not at the time. I was trying to come out like we had. I was. I was the artist that had to tell everybody Chicago was dope and that its motherfucker's here and

wait till y'all come hearing. Like I was the one that had to go out there and speak that ship. You know what they especially me being from like the West Side of Chicago and not really having the same kind of hip hop vibe or hip hop style that most rappers have. So it was double double drama on my end trying to bust in the door. So I was one of the first artists had to let him

know about the city that Chicago was slept on. Yeah, because he always says that about Miami, like Miami was slept on every city outside of New York and maybe l A and Atlanta. At the point was man, Miami was killing it a little bit that but early on I'm talking about like in the hip hop industry, like I always talking about it that New York had a pigeonholed on at least the corporations that record labels, the media, so they weren't looking at everybody else. They just wasn't

allowing us in. Just hate a dog, it's not hate it the same thing he says, the same way we all fell down. I think I think a lot of a lot of other cities felt like that at the time. A lot of other places felt like that at the time when early on, because New York was the mecca of it, was only going on there and everybody else

was trying to do what New Yorkers are exactly. So we share similar feelings in that as so you ever felt like your city wasn't supporting you though it was harder for you in your city, like it's it's it seems like everyone who makes it somewhere they try in their city, but then they actually go outside the city. I think early on, you face a lot of problems early on, Like even when I look at some of the younger cats, they face it a lot early on

than that. At a certain point they breakthrough and then and then the city starts to accept them as as you know, uh, the ones like O. G. S Or Man they put it on, you know, they put the city on like that. But early on a lot of times when you're coming coming from Chicago, you gotta break through a lot of hate, you know, and it might be close. It's gonna be everywhere around you. So so you gotta break through a lot of hate and know how to navigate when you come out of my city.

My mom that passed away, j R. Yeah, rest in peace to Timbuctwo. Was he was he part of the team. No, he wasn't like right in the team, but he was definitely my man. Every time they don't have his events in Chicago, I try to go represent, you know, because they still do something every year for him, and everybody comes out and yeah, Timbucto is still alive. You know what I mean, Let's make some noise for that goddamn

it work. So you're going, is this it's because Kanye produced both the records right for when you say both the records, which you mean the two first singles, um as far as Slow Jams and Overnight Celebrity. Yeah, you already knew Kanye as a producer or no, Yeah, yeah, we already knew Kanye because yeah, in the shot in the city, you know, we we already knew. I knew each other. You know. We one of my guys from back in the day's named tom Chi. He knew all of the rappers and he was like, man, let me

introduce you to my man Kanye. And we used to see him up North rapping all the time. I met him as a rapper first, then later on me and tempt You used to go to this house as a producer. This is when he started to produce. I was like, his beast is different. You know, I was noticing his music is different, you know, but it was way too early on, you know, before everything's going to happen. You can see those two records your biggest record, your biggest songs.

So no, I would say two of my most important songs. Yeah yeah, I was saying, yeah, yeah, most important. Yeah, you know, I gotta ask why why? I mean see for me coming up doing what I was doing, I felt like, you know, as always gifts curse. The one of the gifts that I felt like I got from putting effort into my lyrics, my wordplay, like trying to make sure that I was making some ship that everybody was messing with. Is other artists that would come up

in the city will respect it. And at a certain point they felt like, Okay, if I'm coming out the city, it's gonna be the ship. If I give my man twist on the record, that's letting me know, like boom, I'm representing Chicago when I do that. So that was one thing that was dope for me at that time frame where a lot of artists that was coming out of the city, my man cap One was like, man, I won't get it in with my man twisted you know,

a bunch of people. Um. So at this time when I was doing the record with him, it was like he was coming up in the game. I would see him sometimes, we're running to him in the streets every once in a while, Like I ran into him in the streets. When he let me know that he produced the Bennie Seagull records, the Truth, right, I think, yeah, he was like, yeah, I just did something with Beanie. You know. So he was like, I got this record you know called Slow Jams. Don't want you to get

on it. You know, when when we was chopping it up about it, he was telling me the concept. So I was remembering, like how I was gonna put it together. I'm like, okay, I'm gonna incorporate all of these different things. We recorded Slow Jams first, Yeah, Slow Jams first. Yeah. So and then I don't think, I mean, I don't think Jamie Fox was even thought about for the record yet because but that's crazy, because let's just be clear, we didn't take Jamie Fox serious at that time. So

whose idea was it? Let's be real man as a singer. That was the first record that we looked we took him serious, because you know, we were looking at him like Wanda remember the character. You know what, I'm the oldest right now. But what I'm saying is this is before Ray, right, this is before this. Yeah, definitely before before Ray. So that song single handed was like, wait a minute, he killed that. He killed it, and who that was? That was Kanye's idea like that, that whole

thing like slow jams over trying to sabotage me. At this time, I knew I was. I knew I was being uh. I knew I was Jamie Fox. Move with him saying like, let's bring Jamie Fox in at this time because we didn't, like I said, now, we didn't. I didn't know what. It wasn't a conversation. I heard it before. I just heard the ship, you know what I mean. So I had did my verse and everything. The song was what it was, and he flew to l A, ran into jam Me Fox and they went

in the studio. Then I got the phone call and then I heard the ship and I was like, oh ship. That's when I knew it was old. Yeah, that's you can rightfully say like Jamie Fox is a star. It was a star even then. But his music career wasn't a twister. He might have not been outside. This makes some noise for that, I mean, I mean it was it was yeah, yeah man, but we was. I was definitely you could have said I'm all right, Yeah, you could have your record. You could have said I'm I

You did not. Yeah, I did not. You did not? You did? I heard it right? So then so yeah, we course you said you said you have cause Celebrity next. Yeah, we recorded over Night Celebty. So it's not it's not the same session, not two different sessions. The record came out, it's a hit. Then you're going to celebrity. How does this happen? What are you doing that? Well, when we do over nice Celebrity, we already know we got one.

This time we're moving around, you know. We we got slow jams out there, so we're moving around, and uh, we had the uh, we had the Overnight Celebrity idea. You know. It was actually a sample I wanted to use. So I told him, Man, that's the record. I want to use this. This, this Linney Williams record right here. Man, this this you know, because I used to remember, yeah, I used to remember that record playing on produced this If you want to say that now but now, no, man,

but I knew. I knew that once he got his hand on the record like that, with with what he was doing with all of the soul music, that he was gonna kill it. So I gave him a record and he actually said it kicked his ask for a man, And he was like, man, it took me a minute to get this record the way I wanted to get it, but I got it, and he was excited about it. Then he sent it to me and now I'm listening to it, and now I was messing my head up

because I'm like, damn. So now I felt the pressure because we got the Slow Jams record out there, so I'm like, damn, what the fun? But then bam, I heard the hook on it, so he blessed me of the hook. That's all it took. Once I heard a little bit or something to go off, that was it. Boom. I started coming with my case you want this time? It's not job. This was um Judy Green one, no, no, no, Greg calmen, all of them. Okay you named okay, okay, okay,

I ain't cool cool cool cool. I'm wanna pointing up for me. Man, let's don't like it, so all right, quick Time and Slim. But he's not drinking, but let's give him. Let's get him his box. Where's that? Come on? What's that? You know what I'm saying? He want you to know, man, we want to give you your flowers, man, while you're here, while you're alive. This is why we do ship. Our show was about bigging all legends up while they're alive. So we literally wanted man, thank you man,

real flowers. Motherfucking twist you see you see it. I appreciate that. That's love. Let's love love, all right. So we usually play this game quick Time with Slime, and this game you gotta take shots. So if you ain't taking shots, one of your homies gotta take a shot for you. Come on, come on, come on. That's DJ type Mike right there, type ready, come on, getting ready. You already know? Okay, here you go, okay one sir? Alright? Cool? Oh oh yeah, yeah, that's right, that's right, that's right,

it's right. You slipping. What happened to do? Say right here? All right? What you say? So, I'll give you two choices, all right, you can say both. Your man gotta drink when we drink with him. Yeah, we drink drink wom So you're gonna leave him out there? I know what's happening. Yeah, if you say know what's happeningly correctly, this is what about. I'm gonna give you two tough choices. When you say both, that's what makes us drink. Both are neither or neither? Yes,

they used to be rough. I'm gonna drink some Japanique. You should take a shot at two though, Twister. Come on, goddamn, it might take a shot. Come on, you take a shot too, and only your man out there like that? All right? Cool? Hey, they got you the big cup to get shot at a little cup. That's not we'rena. You got one of you. You got one already in front of you. Twister, all right, you're ready, Yeah, I'm asking you ready. It is rough or Tupac? Damn man,

damn that damn it's whatever criteria. It's rough, it's rough. I'm gonna tell you, I'm gonna go for Tupac. I'm gonna tell you why though, because I actually got a has to meet this brother. That's why you know. I met him on two occasions. One occasion I did a show in l A and uh it was with Digital Underground Digital Underground. I got a chance to say what's up to shot G looked over to the cut saw Tupacs. Yeah, I saw him sitting on the steps chilling. I'm like,

damn okay, so I ain't say nothing to him. Then then I seen him again by the bar. We walked up to each other. He was like, man, they told me to come chop it up with you when I come to Chicago, you know. Then we halted again. The second time I met him, he had the fucking Juice hoodie on the same the Juice City on. So you know, I got a chance to meet him, and that made me engage with his music in a certain way. But I definitely feel like t Max is the ship, you know.

But just just for the sake of this, I'm gonna go with POCT because I got a chance to meet him. Idn't really get a chance to chop it up. I never got a chance. I saw him in person when he was at an award show, pass him by, But but I ain't never get a chance to chop it up with him. That's crazy. I'm exact opposite. I never got to meet pop I got to chop it up at Wow, that's that's crazy, eminem or bust the bribes,

whatever criteria you want. You drinking already, I had to take a shot on Okay, okay, alright, cool, take your shot. Yeah you know, I ain't even know I was taking the shot. You asked the question. If you want to take a real shot, you get some Japanese whiskey right now. Okay, they got Japanese whiskey. Definitely drinking. Get ready, that's what you should have hand. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. Let's go our face on ice cube. Oh no, he got them all night questions. Yeah, we

gotta drink. We gotta drink. You gotta drink. Let's go, let's go between. That's rough right there. Yeah, that's rough one. Now this might get rough. We're gonna it's gonna be a while. So yeah, buddy outcasts or you g k damn. I love your honesty. He's very skilled. Ship. You gotta drink, you gotta drink. I don't know what you're gonn now, this one don't know because you guys are kind of

like in the middle. So Wu tang or in w a damn man, see in Wa was some of the most exciting hip hop that I had ever heard coming out. It was what the funk? It was like the shock. It was the most dopest, most exciting ship that I heard. Wu Tang got me through some hard motherfucking times. They did the same team. But now, man, it's a certain feeling. Man, it's a certain feeling. Wu Tang got me through. Sometimes I can't pick though. You gotta take a drink. I'm

gonna tell you. I'mna tell you what's the difference. No I did. I'm gonna tell you what the difference is for me. Okay, I gotta hear this. I didn't know what camp it was like. I was just like what actually thought it was a jail. I was like, oh, ship, I've never gonna get locked up there, like and so I was Cuve was younger, Yeah, um, but Wang I visually visualized that ship a little bit more. But I wouldn't be able to pick need of That's what I'm

taking a shot. Now. Let me tell you about being from Chicago and see because it's different because Wuchang, you can relate a certain way then, so for me, it was it was us being in the middle. It was the opportunity to hear the West coast rap about the streets and me relate to what they were talking about from the from the West coast perspective, and I can relate, and then me hear the streets from the East Coast perspective and being able to relate, so that that that's

what I think. That's dope about coming from Chicago, go being a fan, is you got a chance to like it wasn't so one sided like in Chicago on the same block you got arguments all day about this person across the street is a fan of this person on the West coast, this person is a fan of person you know, SUBMD to west, right, you know what I mean.

I mean I feel like I feel like they should probably take the west part of it out and just pulled it the mid like because y'all right, definitely like in the middle, like you're not West coast that yeah, that the west part don't kind of make sense a little bit East coast. Y'are your own ship. Yeah, you know what I'm saying, you're your own ship, your own um.

All right, But let's just let's list Jordan or Lebron damn well, it ain't real hard Jordan Man, Okay, Dan, when you when you you know, I mean when you've seen Jordan play. See a lot of these people never even seen Jordan play. Yeah, so y'all seen it? Repeat? No, yeah, see you would see people. I don't know, man, I don't know. You got a bigger person doing something that this smaller person was doing that should looked incredible at six six dude doing it. Ship, That ship was incredible.

Rick Rosso Fat Joe. I like Lebron too, thought, but rosso Fat Joe. Damn man, you snap you do snap? I really can't pick between our them. I love both of them. Yeah, it's snapped hard. He would have been drinking too on that. Okay, that's a rough one. That Crazy Bone or chip Food. Damn Jiff gonna be mad at me. Man, we're gonna, we're gonna, we're gonna all about it later. Man. But Crazy Bone man, crazy Boney,

Oh yeah, Crazy Bone ship, I don't know. We're gonna go with this, Oh Mob deep or m O P Mob d Okay, Yeah, I like emop too, But Cubs of White Sox, White Sox Salty from to Be Salty podcast or Radio Shit I mean podcast podcast Chicago pizza or New York pizza Chicago. I hate New York pizza every time I try some New York pizza. Like what this one? This is with a clean on food. Let me throw on, let me throw it in this Techno and eminem damn no, you got a drink on that one? Yeah,

you gotta drink these is these is my brothers. And then then it's it's actually hard, you know, because they go hard. Man. Yeah, push your teeth or Jada Kiss. I like, push your t but Jada kiss. Yeah. So also XXL, all right, we're all done over here. Yeah, excel yeah XXL. I like them both. But al Capone or Lucky Luciano compone, Yeah, that's Chicago poem baby. Oh but you use technine already, right, If it's not Eminem,

it's a different question. Tech nine or trash tech nine track is cool, but Tech nine West but obviously produced it. Kanye West. No, I d it's my man, but Kanye West. The locks are run DMC, run DMC. I love the locks, but I was raised on run DMC. You can't even put down yeah, comment or loope, damn, don't don't take a babysit. Who I'm two cold brothers there? Yeah, sure, I know what a brat that's right, bull Chicago are drinking that. Yeah yeah them them them both illmatic or

reasonable doubt. Damn no, I need to hear this one. I'm going to tell you the truth, right. See, when you put the whole story together, then it's like okay, okay. But when you're talking about that moment there, I gotta say, ill, Maddie, m hmm. Yeah. Just it's just I don't know, it's it's I think when you when you when you right in there, I think you're talking about the person that's more into wrap versus the person that has a foot

in the streets a little bit m hm. And I think if you just all in your music, you're gonna be more of the amatic fan. But if you end them was it but you got a foot in the streets to you for sure gonna be a reasonable doubt fan. So it's not that I think this is so much better than that. It's just at that time frame, I didn't have a foot in the street. I was going hard on rap ship. That's why I say about a reasonable doubt too. I don't say I didn't have it

from the street. I just say I didn't have to couldn't related. He was talking about money ship that I didn't have. Yeah, see, I just like I had to get back later. I was like, oh, that's what you're talking about, Okay, I mean ship they aumatic was about the streets too, but it's the word play. Yeah. But I got another one, common or common sense. Damn which version of him? I would say common common sense was my ship too, but definitely common Chief Keith for g Herbo. Damn.

Do I want to pick one? I can't really pick between them too. It's okay, so you gotta drink too, that be with that cheers. That's on you man. You shouldn't pick, by the way, Yeah, them too. It would be hard. You know. You know what you should have said when I said that, you should have shot down m that's crazy what you've been saying the whole that's the correct that's drinking a lot of the chronic or all odds on me. Mm hmm. That's rough for real,

right there, that's rough. Wait, let me think, let me think. You know what I'm I'm gonna force myself to pick only because of one reason. No, you gotta drink now now. Once I thought about the reason, I was like, okay, I'm gonna drink too with that. Yeah, both of those were like the both impactful, very very impactful. M you know what, though, you're drunk for nothing. I'm gonna say that because all eyes on me, you you know, it

was more about poc on All eyes on me. You have more more things, you have some other things going on, but it was more pop whereas chronic from crew you know, and that and that that that assembly Man was the ship, you know. So I'm gonna give it to the assembly over over something that was more geared to one person. But damn well call it or DJ drama mm hmm, damn dog man, DJ callott Man, DJ CA. That's the last one, DJ cadott You ain't I want to like

we always, I'm not gonna even say nothing. I'm gonna just throw it out there. You tell me what you back. Loyalty or respect? Loyalty loyalty like to explain why, Um, I mean loyalty of a person is loyal to you. They won't suck you over. A person that can respect you still fuck you over if you gotta, if you gotta way to funk you over, you know, publicly, he

can still respect you. But if he thinks he got a way to fuck you over and still looks like he respects you and not be known as the snake that did it, he'll do it, you know, he he can do it. So respect still makes me have fear that of a person. I still got a little fear. You respect me, but you don't funk with me, you know, But loyalty that you can't. You can't trade that for nothing. That's real, that's real, real. I always think the answer

to the correct assert is both. I mean, but if you gotta pick one, you know, yeah, I know, but in this case, maybe want you to drink, you might as well finish that up. And um, you gotta drunk with Trade songs? Yeah yeah, that's everybody, everybody that's gonna make it. Yeah. Yeah. How was that the your pussy game go up? That was more than the label We was We was young. He was a young cat too. He would help your pussy game go off. No, not with that record, right there? Man, that was a young

cat man. You know what I'm saying. So, so have you met the Brown Trade song System? Like? Yeah, the trade school. I running to him every once in a while. Goddamnit, man is real out here. Let's which, which are the labels that you were on? Do you like? Do you think we're the best? Ones that you were were the best one that you're on? Because you weren't quite a bit of labels the best at point, it didn't get a chance to happen. You know, this is when I

was on Atlantic. You know she had to change. Yeah, because we were gonna make it happen. Man. You know, I had a lot of love with the guys, you know, you only it was adulpe relationship. You know, Me and Dame used to chop it up a lot. He was the reason I got on the Champions record, you know. Yeah, yeah, So we was trying to make it happen, but you know I was, I guess too deeply embedded in my contract situation with Atlantic to move the business around and

make it happen. So, you know, so if it was that because you're on Big Beat, which is you were on Big Beat right that record label? Big Beat? No? No, what was it with? What was the tie with I think it was tight to Atlantic? Yeah, so Atlantic allowed so between Atlantic and a Loud Which one of those two would you? Because he was at Loud when Wutan came there too as well. I was like first, I think I was the first artist sign allowed first. First.

Alcoholics was very first, No, me first, you first? Yeah, yeah, didn't alcoholis Yeah, that's just a lot. That's hard. Yeah, that's very first artiste. Steve different to this day, Um when I see him, Yeah, yeah, that was hard when Stephen's cool. Stephen's cool. I always had a cool vibe with Steven phone numbers nowadays. No, no, I ain't got his numbers. He about to get. Steve would talk to me man if I reached out to him. Yeah, that's

my man. Yeah, this is what we didn't ask. No, but I didn't get the answers between the two labels. Which one are you? You're not sign the Atlantics? So are you? No? No, I think you know, I was on Atlantic the longest you know, you know, I think, uh, the the it was one that was first, you know, so loud Wreck has been at first label I was on. It's got that that first vibe, you know. But Atlantic I was on like like Templars years maybe something like that. Yeah,

So that's the question. We didn't ask major or independent, And definitely why independent the freedom? And I think to each his own too. I think if you, I think, if you have a system that works, so you got your business people and play and you you know, you you you kind of got people around that can you know, uh make your shifts sail, you know, then you kind

of can look more towards that independent round. But I think if you, like a new artist, you don't really got anybody around, you know, to kind of give you, uh tips or or show you the ropes, then you might have to lean more towards major label and and your your attorneys and stuff like that, because you believe you're gonna need people to help you take advantage of being on the record label too, because regulabel you can fall through the cracks. Yeah, so that so why I

said attorney. You know, you know, if you ain't got those people, then you know, all you can do is rely on people like your attorney. And right, let's keep it. Really, you made it a lot more money with majors. Yeah, you make a lot more money with the major. So so that's the gift and the curse to it. You you wanna, you want your freedom you can move how the funk you want to move what You're gonna make the money like this a little bit at a time. You want to make the big money here, You're gonna

make this big money. But you're gonna take a little bit of whip cracking over here. Sometimes I don't know whip cracking this whatever will actually hit you with it. But you know what I mean, you know that the mentality, you know some of that mentality. Sometimes you gotta you gotta listen to what what what somebody else say saying and uh bye by the choices of other people more, you know, that's all ship. I forget all your independent I think owning your own ship it having that well

you don't want no more shots. Yeah, I think, I personally think. I think being independent before you go major, it's always gonna be the ideal situation because then you go into a major kind of prepared, self relying, and then you can take advantage of that machine because the machine, for sure, you're gonna make way more money in the machine. But independent, you you know, if you if you could established establish yourself independently own more of your stuff going

into that, it's gonna be a better deal. More leveraged getting that deal with a major. Yeah, I don't know. I think these days, though, independent is is the way to go for sure. He's he's with an independent. Yeah. So I'm um, we're running through a couple of titles and I don't want you to just tell me what they mean to you. Man, I say, got you running Off at the mouth? Running Off at the Mouth. That's the title of my first album, running Off at the Mouth. Yeah,

it's the first thing to come to my mind. It's the title of my first album. Man, I was like eighteen, nineteen years old. Yeah, that's what I'm doing. Call down your album, so I want you to do for me? Yeah? That's that was That was That was. That was how I came out. That was how I titled my first album. I was still thinking. I was in the process of finding myself as an artist at the time, you know. So this is me getting my feet wet, you know, in the game running Off at the Mouth. That's what

it is. Resurrection independent. This this is more independent situation upset that that that that this and that didn't go right with the label. I wanted to put this record out first. I wanted to be like this so we're doing our independent thing, and I wanted to go that round.

So it was way early in the game when I tried the independent round, and Resurrection is like a body of work that I'm more uh more proud of for the freedom, the freedom aspect, I got a chance to make the type of music I wanted to make some noise for that the bounced, I was gonna keep going in order? Should I keep going in order? Yes? In the head, you do you do a couple? I did

the first two? You do the next three? Adrenaline Rush, I asked my one right there, that's the one where I felt like Adrenaline Rush is the one where I knew who and what Twister is. How I wanted to come out what I wanted to people to hear from me, you know, So Adrenaline Rush is the title comes from I thought about when they say I forgot it, when they say what you want to title your album? Yeah, when it's like what you want to tie to your album?

I think the first I asked myself a question like, man, what do rap feel like to me? You know, That's that's the first thing I asked me. I said, Okay, what is rap to me? Or what do it make me feel? Like? Give me adrenaline rush. So that's where the title came from. It was like just the way I feel about rap music and I just felt like I knew how I wanted to wrap my audience. At the time, I was like, this is when I made my mind up, Like I've just been a rap for

my Chicago people. Just what I see just in my city. I'm gonna stick to what I know and what I do, and I'm rapping for my city. So a drilling and rush represents so the me coming fully into knowing who I was as an artist. Yeah, the next one is Kma Kazi riding a wave. That's me riding a wave coming out with the next album. Still wanted to come

with an impactful title or something that was hard. So I came with Kama Kazi, and then I had a little more help, you know, I was able to to to make the type of music I wanted to make. You know, the budget was a little bigger. I love the budget, you know, a chance to do you know this right? Yeah, So that that's what that was. Man, Kama Kazi is me riding the wave. I had the success of you know, my my adrenaline rush wreck in a certain way. And then I had it was slow jams.

I knew when Kamakazi was coming out, I already had slow jams on this record. So it's like I knew my ship was gonna be popping. So I was like having fun with the Kama Kazi joint. So that's that's what come to my mind, is riding away, I don't have it, okay, the day after, day after m hmm, still riding the way. But that mother fucker wasn't so

high now, you know what I mean. So so the budget a little less, Yeah, so putting it, putting together, putting together what I could put together with what I had, you know. So but but now it was it was still dope. I was I think I was getting a little a little lost in that time, you know, I was starting to get a little lost in what direction

I wanted to go in at that time frame. So so I put that record out, But it wasn't a record that I was the most proud of or or happy with, you know, energy wise, just everything wasn't going away. I wanted it to go, you know, energy bis wise, everything, So that record just just was what it was at the time. Yeah, now I'm looking I'm looking at the at the dates, and then you have Adrenaline Rush two

thousand and seven. Is this a time frame where you're feeling right like, what is there a shift in what you're doing and how you so? So Yeah, so the later one is just a title that I was putting on some music at the time that I felt like had that same vibe still, and so we're like, man,

let's come with Adreneral Rush two thousand and seven. I probably would have titled It's something Else at the time, So I think creatively, I was just in a shitty space and that's what I titled the project at the time. You know, so this this is uh me still able to wrap my ass off, but shitty space titles and ship thinking, you know, not thinking as fully clear as I as I should have been. Probably category F five. Category f five. That's when I'm riding my independent wave again.

You know. I love that record because I have some some for me. I had some some some some big records for me for myself. I want. I made some music that I wanted to make that sounded good to me. So the record didn't didn't do what I wanted it to do commercially or you know, successfu wise, But as far as the body of work and what it sounded like and it being important for for what it was, for how music shall sound and hip hops your sound

for Twister, That's what I was on. So so I like category at five, were you already entering the whole security and firearm industry at that at that point that would have been. Yeah, around this time, I'm interested in it. Around this time, I'm I'm you know, still having my concealed carry and stuff like that. But now I'm starting to entertain possibly being an instructor and stuff like that. You know, around didn't didn't didn't take it fully serious. Yea, yeah, okay, let'

let's go through the albums. I know we need to bring gun capt down here. Man, I'm telling you all right. In the Perfect Storm, the Perfect Storm, that was dope too. That was that was me doing my independent thing. At this time, it's is not not as fulfilling to me, but I'm still loving music doing my thing. I came with the Perfect Storm. But but like I said, just not fully what I wanted to be, you know, vibe wise, energy wise. So at this time, I'm just making music.

I think I'm trying to find which direction I'm going in next around this time, you know what you say, huh, Well, yeah, I had that record on that, but I here wasn't as excited about the whole project overall. I knew that I wasn't in a good space creatively and just musically like I wanted to be. So I was just making music, getting through it, trying to see where I'm where I'm

going next, what I'm gonna do next. You're one of them guys, I gotta get away to make a whole album, or like you'd like to stay home a little bit of both. For some reason, though, I found that I gotta be. I gotta be in the I gotta be grame. I like to be in a grimy situation to make it real. Like I could go like, you know, we could go to l A and shift. I could be you know, in the hills, you know, writing on ship.

That's dope. But I would rather I need to I need to be in some grimy ship like I feel like I would make the real music in a in a PC project hallway when you start, I gotta be. I gotta have some element of where I came from from you. Yeah, we me and him probably would have been making out of some music. Yeah yeah, that's that's my jam to man, that's the whole project right there is Uh, I'm vibing with music a little bit more.

But all of these projects you naming our projects where I was able to do what I do effortlessly as far as making a song or do a verse or like damn you killing it or do what you do, but just not fully being fulfilled with music at the time. I'm not in the space that I want to be, you know, mentally, So I'm just kind of making music and making records that I considered as dope, but still searching for what I wanted to do and be on still so I'm just floating through it. But but the

records that was on that was was my ship? What what records was on there? I got two many ship you got you got a crazy catalog? Man? Yeah, yeah,

the catalog crazy. But overall, when you say that title, that that's what I remember about that run right there is me having the capabilities of making music and doing some music that was satisfactory to my fans and everything, but not commercially successful as I wanted it to be, and just me not really being in a in a vibe of space that I wanted to be with music at the time, you know. And then the last two. Yeah,

you got Crook County. That was my joint right there, Creek County because we started making videos in the hood. This one, this one, we you know, I got a few of my people around, you know, I'm starting to get it, you know, a few a few of my camp around, uh a few of my gun camp people coming around. Just a few different faces around. So I'm making music, We're going around doing stuff in the hood. My man beads around that I'm doing music with, and uh, man, it was just huh yeah, yeah, a lot of the

homies from Chicago I got there. I think. Then we shoot Creek County like at Harvey, different spots like that. Yeah. So so Crik County was a record that it was dope to me because I was in the streets with it. You know, we was moving around in the streets having everybody being involved in the music and everything. So so that was a dope problem. There was a dope project from me at the time. The last one, it's Summer ninety six. That's a very poignant title, Summer ninety six.

What's on there? Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, especially working with DJ Ferris, you know, because he wanted the big figures in Chicago. That's my man right there. So anytime you got him, you know, anytime you got him on something, uh, you know, it's dope. So just having him be involved with that project and just keeping my whole legacy going was dope, you know. So that's what Summer ninety six was about. Was reminded people about when a drumaline rush came out, which was the Summer ninety six. I think

it's trying to make them much of that cool. Did you do it? You ain't never do it? Versus? Right? No, no, no, that would be a crazy versus. I don't know who I would do it with though people always ask me, But I don't really know who I would do it with. Who you think technic I would be a good one who said that? I think see when people say Buster, they just think fast rap. But I think we kind of besides the fast rap, we slightly too different artists, you know what. So I don't know you who would

you want? I don't know that's that's that's that's a tough one. Who like two different But I don't think it. I don't think it has to be an even match up in terms of what we think it should be off. It should showcase two different styles. Else mystical, wo, mystical, that would be a dope. Let's keep thinking, y'all, come on, comen keeping one crazy part of a group though you know not but crazy was also solo. Did you see that? Did you see that versus we're doing three six? Ye? Yeah,

I saw it? How did you all fix your problem? Who? Uh? We'll see me and Bone we had a mutual mutual friends see lazy Uh Yeah, it was lazy Bone. Lazy moves around a lot of you know, he got a lot of mutual friends that I got and uh in Indiana at the time, we had our buddy name Cho. You know, he was doing a song with him at the time with his with his group and what he was doing, and then he knew me and he was like, wait in it, y'all got beef or something like that.

So when he ya was beating for years, right and this is on wax with this records and all that, you know, the style and you know, so so what he did at the time was he orchestrated the song and he paid Lazy to get on the song and paid me to get on the song without telling yall we're gonna be on it. You didn't care. He told us, you know, he said, I want y'all to do a song to get who I want to name. Y'all can't

be beefing who. And so once me and Lazy got together, yeah, yeah, so shout out to my man Choo for making that happen. And man, once being Lazy clicked, it was over. He was so cool, you know. We chopped it up, we did that song, and then I knew them was gonna be my guys ever since then. Then the next time I like called a good vibe with them was when uh we did spit your Game, Uh yeah, the Biggie joint. Yeah.

And then I got a chance to chop it up with Crazy Bone or let him know how it felt about the group, you know, and we just got rapped, like you know, uh, well, we'll go through like like two or three years beefing with some sit we don't even really know. We don't know if we make a distract as we're doing all that, like like, like, how weird is that? Like you know what I mean? That is weird. I'm gonna tell you what's weird is having the beef with with with Trash going on at the time,

and this ship was so serious. We had a meeting in Chicago about this ship, you know, because you know a lot of people don't know, like that was one of the times where this was one of the reasons this This is how one of the ways Twister got formed is when when I didn't get accepted from people that I was fans of. So so the Trench said a little something on the record, you know, because yeah, I didn't understand where you where Bone I understood because

of the style similarity. So I didn't understand anything when I heard about it then and when I when I re iterated and just look today it's we had a show Chicago. At this time they had formed the House of Pain. I saw ever Last because I knew him from he used to come in the office at our records. So we're talking. He like, man, let me let me how at you So it's old now we can laugh about it. Ever Last said, you didn't hear it from me? Trashed dished you on his new ship. What. So I

go listen to the ship. I'm listen, I'm eight and I ain't hearing nothing. Then finally the record come on. I put a few blows in cargo, so you can tell twist your ass back to Chicago. What record was that? I forgot which one, but you can find it. You can find it. So I was a fan though at the time. So this ship broke, I'm like, damn, you know what I mean. So I'm piste off about it. So I stopped around that time, around the time. Yeah

that they lit, they lived. But see then I heard stories later like people used to see my video come on and then funk with him, like, oh ship, dude, the funk you? So he got piste off and he dissed me. So then we end up having a meeting in Chicago because it was like the ship seemed like it was gonna escalate into some other ship. But then the funniest ship happened. We get to to New York and we do the big gass cover for for Double x L with all the rappers and ship. We're standing there, Yeah,

we're standing on the street. Who the funk walk up and ship trash. We're like, oh ship and he said, yeah, see, I told you y'all in my hood. Now it's cool and kept the movie was like, so, you know, that's when you learn some ship you gotta you gotta learn. This is me navigating through the industry. This is one of the things that helped me learn how to move, you know. So at that time we had got a

little cordial before that incident. But had it been some some some ship going on, that could have been me right there. You know what I'm saying on that other end right there, that's crazy that didn't that's yeah, yeah and yeah worked it out. Yeah yeah. Trenches An artists always wanted to do music with Yeah, yeah, what's you say? Oh? All right, col I keep for getting you from Jersey's you gotta let it go? What about Man and Man? Yeah, I'm a red Man fan. So what's your favorite what's

your favorite part of the game. Is it making the music or performing the music? Because going through your catalog, I'm like, this motherfucker performed every day of the year. Just going through your catalog, I'm like, yo, yo, you could you could do any you know, I'm not trying to persrace your answer, so hold on, should Maybe I shouldn't have said that, but um, what's your what's your favorite? Is it making the music or performing the music? I

think performing it? What's your guess? Was y'all guess? Yeah? Performing it? I like making it, though, but I will say performing it is more my favorite. Performing it. Yeah, yeah, you gotta explain why And wait, wait, have you ever spent something in the studio so fucking fast that you

couldn't perform it? No? I make sure not to do that, like, yeah, you know, when you I try to stay truthful with the ship, like I tried to stay within the boundaries of what's possible because exactly like like everybody got their own reasons why they rapped like that. But but for me, it's not just about wrapping fast. It's about how quickly can you do it at a dope cadence where you can hear everything. So so when I'm making the music like that, like I try to stay within my boundaries

of what I know that's humanly possible. Like I think you need to take a breath right here, so I'm gonna make sure you know, just just stuff like that. So I sorry, I could him out so performing and performing, Yeah, so performing I like it better because even when I'm making music, making music comes from performing in my head,

you know, when you when you're writing these lyrics. Most of the time, like a lot of artists unconsciously even realized that they placed themselves in the middle of a rap battle or concert or something when they're coming up with the rhymes and they look at the audience react to the lyric in their mind, and then they say, yes, I don't go with it, you know. So a lot

of my creativity comes from performing in my mind. So at the end of the day, to actually get to do it in person, that's what a full thrill make. Some looks for that, I believe you show you don't want to shout at this Japanese whiskey. This is that good ship man, it's doing me ain't good enough right here. And let's just be clear, the reason why you don't drink like that is because you're a gun instructor. You know that. The dude that being a call like this

car Yeah no, not not how you do this? You know what you want? The guy, that dude, he's like, he's huge, don't he gonna get somebody killed. He was like this, if a person comes up to you, you know what I'm talking about. He's a gun instructor that he's telling you about. He's something to martial artists. Kid, gotta be up. You don't know what I'm talking about. You know exactly what you're talking about. You know, one of my buddies in Chicago is killing it doing doing

like parodies of that dude right now. Okay, because he's hen get somebody hurt. You're not listening to him right different when you bet not listen to him, explain, So explain what what he just said? You said, your fire arms instructor. Yeah, just uh, like the firearms instructor. Like so if you want to get your cacealed carry or something like that, or just do advanced firearm training technical shooting, you teach that. Yeah, mostly mostly how to shoot in general,

some defensive show. What if you had a fella me, could I still go? Oh man? He's like, baby, I shouldn't have said. You know, we we we probably get you in a situation where we get some people to see if you can get it expunge, and then after that situation then you can't. So we have had people that have had felonies before they got their record of sponging and was able to get the Yeah tell them look out for me. So yeah, because they got the

hook up on that. But it's spongement. Holy movie with you. But so, well, what made you get into that? You just you love firearms? Just seeing you like, I have a whole rhyme about the gun. Yeah, just that's doing like a rap review like you have, uh you've got guys that do gun reviews and then you know, giving the description of the gun. So my version is like a rap review of a gun that I might like or something like that. But you know, just really just

passionate about the whole fire stuff. So U s c C A instructor, n A instructor? How people are visualizing the cargoys being bad outside of like downtown and things like that. What all the things going on is it? Is it is it that easy to just get guns? And I'm talking about obviously, Yeah, I mean that's the problem. The problem is is illegal guns. That's the problem right there is is guns getting in the hands of uh people that shouldn't have them. You know, that's the problem.

And I think you know, education is part of the key, even though that's happening. I think when you re educate the mind about a firearm, because we used to just growing up here and rappers talk about yeah yeah, you never really heard a person rap about a gun and a flyway or something, you know, something different. Yeah, yeah, having respect for the weapon. I mean, you know, like I said, I do competition shooting and stuff like that.

So I try to change the whole narrative and perspective about guns because I think education and perception is one of the keys to help stir what's going on the other way, you know what I mean. So what are your favorite guns? Pick two? An assault right for the hangar? It's all rightful, what's that you can't talk about it? I'm cool now. I saw you posted this. I want to I wanted you to tell me how I could

get it. The one that collapsed a R A R. Yeah, it collapsed into like almost it looked like, Yeah, it's called folding AYR. Yeah, companies called folding they are, And yeah, that's that's that's a dope one right there. But it's an a AR that folds, it falls into like it almost looks like a handgun at one point. But you know,

AYR doesn't mean it's alt rifle. It's the first two letters in the company arem al oh, so it's not an a R fifteen automatically, I mean I'm a like model fifteen was just the first two letters in the company that Republican though, right, I'm not a poltical. If he was, I'm neutru Yeah, I'm neutrul with you. Holy sh it, what do you do? Joe Byra, Joe by Byron, So what's that Japanese? Listen? Joe Biden's disappointed men that think it ain't been outside live? What's going on? What

a big up Trump at all? But at least you felt Trump like you you felt his presence. No one isn't outside. One was outside too much. I don't even know I got a president like I don't feel like as an American, like come on, bro, like, come on, bro, come on, come on to come out here outside right now? That rushed right now. I'm definitely not rocking with what's

going on right now. You know, it's a lot of things, you know, going on and all that I ain't really rocking with with no situation, just trying to take my guns away. Neither but you know, you know, I'll stand up for the Second Amendment. So but you know, so you know, you know you're not taking Joe by the dinner. No, he can't go to dinner. I'm straight Holy this is but you see the handgun? What handgun would you pay? Oh yeah, someone's picking the handgun for it's it's a

it's a bunch of choices. But right now I'm gonna say staccato, man, I like the coccato exc or staccato. Mm okay, what what browns does that shoot? What kind of rounds? Not Miller met rounds. Yeah, yeah, that's that's a good one. Ceazy Shadow too, I like them too. Yeah, Holy mobile. Now you got the joint hope with Faith Evans. Say it again, the joint hope with faiv Evan. Yeah, yeah, very dope. But she's drink Champs a little night. He

loves man. I just put that together that record. Uh, Atlantic had a lot to do with that record, and uh she was on Atlantic as well. Yeah, she was on Atlantic as well, and that record. Uh it was used for I forget the name of the show, but it was a family that one of the home and the show was involved in helping uh families get homes and the little girl in the show like hope. It

was one of her favorite songs. So we got a chance to kind of take that song a little further, which is really one of the reasons I made the song, Like, I'm like, man, I want to try to do something dope with this song. Now, let it just be something normal, you know. So when she got on it and then we got a chance to get involved with that whole thing, that was dope, you know. Yeah, that was vib with that. And you also did a game show. Damn did what game show it was? It was? It was eximt one true.

So I don't even remember that ship. You get a lot of money, man, you get don't now? I remember? Yeah, I remember I was in and out like a thief in the night because you talk with that type ship, like, because they also did the Netflix show t I A the Juge. Yeah, you with that type of ship doing reality or its gotta be something I'm interested in. Can't just be like just off the fly. You know. If it's something that I like or I'm interested in, I'm

with it. But you know about Podcaster, Yeah, if it's something I like, yeah, Yeah, as long as the subject matter podcasting about firears, about firears, it's gonna be lit. Yeah. So yeah, I'm actually working on something. But you're just gonna shoot it up now. I ain't just gonna shoot it up. I mean that would be hard to record that. I mean, you know, we do have a you know, outdoor range, outdoor range, damn, you know. And it's black

people shooting. Yeah, yeah, accurate, black people shooting accurately and safely. That's safely. Yes, on the phone. Yeah, is it a pharm or it's like a Yeah, it's a phone. And it's Illinois. It's not your cargo. Yeah, this is Illinois. Okay, cools, you gotta come out and shoot with me one day, can't you can't. Can we bring it down here? Can we go down here? Yeah? We can do it down here too. Yeah. Yeah, we'll sponsor, We'll do something. Yeah. Yeah,

not bb guns. This is I got a few. You guys know, you gotta I got I got something for you. I got something for you. Now we bring have more things. Man, twist the man. I ain't gonna lie. I feel like taking another shot before we let you go. You gotta got more? Are we good? Come on, come on, anybody else, Come on, come on, bro who because you want to take a shot. It's Japanese whiskey and get your life right, you know what I'm saying. Yeah, I will say this

is what what advice would you give artists? To have the long jell that you had that's very true, and to stay to stay consistent with the style you want. You know, you you stay true to your style. That's the one main thing is really nothing is more important than being really yourself, because you will get caught up in somebody else hype fast and you will start curving your ship to sound like they ship and looking like you know, you know what I'm talking about, right, you know.

So the main thing is to stick with your ship, you know. And then you gotta know it's a youth driven sport too, you know. So when you listen to music, a lot of times I'll see when artists start to say certain ship is whack or they don't like certain ship. That's when you're starting to lose touch a little bit, you know what. You as soon as you say that ship whack wrong like that, that's when your ass getting old. When they come to you know that my state of music.

So I think the other ship is whack though, I mean, you can't say everything is though. I'm not saying everything is dope, but definitely not saying. When you're saying something is whacked that's winning, then you gotta ask, you know, it's a reason it's winning. But it's certain citing. That's a fat a fade that you could tell they got they got a great six months and then it's gonna go away. Then there's certain CITs like I don't understand it. I might not like it, but I'm gonna respect it.

But then there's there's this gimmicks going on. Not to say it wasn't gimmicks going on in the nineties. See, I was the way I was raised on from him, let's breaking the ship is whack, man, because you know New York motherfucker's is gonna you know, it's whack. The ship is whacking. And I came up off. Yeah, so that's my vibe right there. So some ship is just whack. But for the most part, there's a reason why something

is winning. If something is whacked a lot of times, even like I've heard whack ship, but then it'll be winning. So I'll pay more attention to it and then I'll have a production could be dope the program. You know what it is. We don't want to be that old nigga that turned into the hater m So when we know that, so we we don't want to be like look at that, you know back in my day. Like,

we don't want to keep me like that. So you say, all right, cool, and you like start participating certain and ship and certain Ship is like not right, Yeah, it's not right. It's not right. But you gotta figure out like what I've always taken out of boys, that's different, bro, No, that's not too far difference. I went too far. You went too far. You went too far. He man, hey man, they're getting money. Man, they're getting money. We don't know

what they hopefully hopefully hopefully going too far. Yeah, now what would you saying? What was what was you saying? He wanted to hear spend something? I have been sipping that ship? That's that? Is it? That? You know what? Won't come out? This is a spade. This is the finest from the albums out Mountains of Everywhere. It won't come out come and see me giving about it. You gotta be gotta be up in the rhythm with about it, the level bit of me a bit about it. What

was the matter with that man? Almost what y'all tell you about to grab that put it on the verse with him. He's gonna spend on that holy ship. That was all. That's all. So do you still love the game the same way? Um? I love it differently. I wouldn't say the same way. Not the same way. Um it's different. I would say I still love making music.

I still love creating music. But what makes me love it differently is other things going on that I realized that I can take my music and bridge it with with what I do, even with the with the with me being a firearms instructor, and just knowing that I could take my music and literally rap about the stuff I'm doing like I'm telling you, um me doing a sixty second gun review, stuff like that, just being able to play with it. So the one thing with with music is I think you have to find ways to

keep making keep making it passionate to you. So you got yeah to to anybody you know, you gotta Sometimes when when you start to lose your passion for music, try to find something else that's going on. And yeah, yeah, keep yourself relevant to yourself, but also find what what else that you may be passionate about and try to see if you can use some of that and put it over here with what you know how to do. When when in terms of music, if you still want to do it, you know you fell out of love

of music before. Yeah all the time? Is it the music or because the game is different? Thing? The game? The game? Because the game the fans is always great. Yeah, so it's it's always great. But everything it was fuck up about it, even having to learn the music business, like you would think, like everything is supposed to be fair. We all, you know what I'm saying, love the same culture. You gotta realize, dam I can't even trust this guy.

I gotta actually, I actually gotta read and I just gotta know this and I gotta you know, go through that. Yeah what was was that something you have to go through? Yeah? Hell yeah all the time. Like I had years of my life or years of my rap career shaved off from going through label drama stuff like that. So yeah, I was like, to me, I was one of the artists that got the worst of that type of ship. You know. So the worst of of of label drama or not being able to put out music or dealing

with drama with labels. Yeah, he wasn't throwing chairs were here unless she was stors. I wasn't throwing chairs. I might have threw a few words, but shit, did I cuss crag out before? I might have cus create the funk out one time. He probably used to it, but he used to this ship. Yeah, you took your Japanese whiskey. It's what's saying. This is the dark side. You stayed, you stayed in, you stayed in the champagne section. We respect that there's no sex in the champagne room. Man. Yeah,

and he pouring heavy still he ain't learned, man. So you fucking strip clubs when we when we gotta go there, you know? So that's not what what? What what do you do? Shoot? You go out there? You just shooting shot people? What the shooting? Come on? That's that's that's that's your your version of fun on the night where you could just go out kill. You're going out and you want to go to shoot. We're probably going on the farm and shooting some a RS and a K.

I released a lot of stress doing that. You're hunt into just not yet, but I'm about to start getting into some hunting. Yeah yeah, are you going all in what we're hunting? Sir? Man? If I go out there and chill with y'all, want to clear me with the army some boards or something, you know, like my whole thing. If my hunt, it's gotta be something that that's gonna be for a reason, a good reason. So like that we could eat he came through he never comes through down.

Yeah huh. Yeah, that's the hardest record. That's you're broke right there. So yeah, yeah, pop that. Yeah. Yeah, so that's what that's what we're doing for fun, be going out Yeah, man, you know, I'm I'm you know in my thing. I'm training a lot too because you know, I'm under the competitive shooting, so I'm always training and shot. So let's just be clear because I asked anybody this, So, how much pussy do you think you got to your your We're like, yeah, I mean you're not married no more.

I googled it, right, Yeah, I mean, I mean, I'm I'm, I'm, I'm. I still got a family and everything, so you know, I probably had my fun in my lifetime and you have a big you know, I know how I didn't have a big Your playlist was crazy today when I was going through it, I'm like, I was just calculated. I was like, you know how this is comedy because the money. I was just calculating the pussy there. I think you figure about you know what I'm saying, like we have fun, We have fun fun. It was a

little celebrities. No, you knocked down a couple of roose No Celem. There's no celem for whatever love it makes space to know the motherfucker twist coming back. My back got crazy and a little worry about it. You're married to tell You're like, yeah, we've been outside. Uh see yo,

so how how crazy? How crazy is it? Oh? No, no, no, we off that like just just being you know what I mean, like because you know, like like we said, like you know, from seeing Shytown, you know, coming from the error where you and Carmen and then seeing like all this drill things happen and people are and then you know with the Kanye and even everyone like the people having the light on y'all city, Like you know what I'm saying, like, how ya like you know, like

you've seen the whole process, right you pretty much? Man? Uhuh, get a lot, man, it's been interest. He told a lie. You know, I'm saying he took. He's a good guy and I forgot to say that, Brad. Right then I didn't say that, Brad. Yeah. Yeah, we talked about the Yeah, that's my girl problems. That's the homie. You know what I'm saying. No, the brand and shower of my sisters. Are you Are you drunk? Yeah? Sho you want another? You want another? Shout of japan taking? Yeah, that's it

ended out. Some shut it out. He's going into it out. Man, you end it out to drink? Say to drink that? Do say too that we want it's closer to you. Come on, what do you want that the Japanese? Come get that Japanese. Yeah, let me get the champagne. Okay, yeah, let's got you the champagne. Baby damn. Yeah, Papa new one too, if you want. I know what's going on

over and now we're started once again once again. Like I said, man, you know, we just want to give people their fliers while they're alive, you know what I mean? And people, you know, every time you're in this game, people get ten years or more. They want to tell you you washed up. They want to say we don't want that here. We're gonna pick up our legends. We're gonna always salute our legends. Thank you, give you to your face and you know what I mean. We ain't

afraid to say. You know, all niggas is great. We're gonna hold it down. You know what I mean. Thank you for being a part of that. Think you'll for coming out. Appreciate me, y'all got y'all got mean? Did we just take some flip? You get loose now? I don't know if I don't know, if you wrap it up, feel like you still it, feel like you ain't done. No,

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