Episode 297 w/ DJ Red Alert

should beat. This is your boy in right? What up is d J E f N? And this is drink Chance. Motherfucker Yappia makes un And as we always say before we start a show, we say that this is a legend that we're about to introduce. But I want to take uh with Mr Lee just said off camera, he said, this is a super legend. This is a super legend. I remember waking up just to hear this man on the radio trying to get you know what I mean, not even thinking at this time, I wouldn't even think

about being a rapper. I just wanted to hear this. These people play on the radio and when I hit everybody, what you do all the time before I do an interview, I hit, I hit people, and I'll say, what does this? You know you got a question for this guy? And everyone just responded and wanted to show their love for this super super super a legend. I mean, we just heard he's celebrating the forty seven um year being a DJ.

Is that crue? I'm forty four years old, So I let you know how much of a legend this is. I mean when I say I am honored, I am proud to have him on our show. Motherfucking cool DJ. Respect, man, respect, not super respect to you man. Um, let's let's let's let's let's let's. I won't pounce all over the place, but one place I want to start with you is Violator. Yes, the first time I ever you know, I eventually became Violator, but first time I ever heard of Violator was with

you before I even heard uh. Later on became Baby Chris, before I even heard of him. I heard that that was your crew, Violators. Can you break that down for me? Violators? That's right, it's five members and it started out in Union Square. Wow, and that's downtowntown. You spread lower part in midpart of midtown Manhattan. And I remember the first day I started and five guys came to came in. They said, yo, Bam, send us down here, like bam send your bottom. Yeah, may send you all down here.

But I see what because y'all feel that, you know, I would give a come into my own what I was about to do. So they come on in. But they had this thing about taking over people girls. That's why they called violators. That's why I call them. Okay, okay, okay, he was going there. You know, we all from uptown

and no Manhattan. The Bronx ain't know you're Spaklyn, right, so you know, they feel like you know, but of course had this rep but no, I saw some guys coming with some girls, so they called themselves running up on the girls and their arms around and walking over and you know, God, and that's why I was gonna say, yo, man, y'all can't be doing that's wrong with you'all. You're violating, man.

One thing leads to another. First, it was just it was four guys, four or five guys, and two of them mainly was Chris Lady and double one was called down. We called him sneaky deep okay, the other day like sped off from then here come two more the same thing. Damn some mus done. All these guys from Branch River, I say, yeah, yeah, come on in. So that's Chris Ali and Big Rod and the last person you go about the name of Hands, but we gave him a

nickname called Black Jesus. I'm gonna tell you why. As dark skin as he is. But the Jemmy Colls look like you're about to do a prayer. So that's why I'm calling Black Jesus. So I need to ask right now when Chris like now, now, this is Chris father. This is Chris lady who came around when you said when you say baby christ you talk about Chris ldy's father, were talking about Chris like Chris like, okay, now was he always supposed to Was he always had this plan

to be in management or what was his role? So you don't understand during the time when Chris was coming down with the Fellers, you know that people did not know that Chris was going to school and working as an electrician for Metro North, you know, and then on his off time he come and hang out with the Fellers and be so you know, he was a person that was legant and cocky, didn't kill yes, but I always saw that he had a you know, good head

on his shoulders. This way, anybody that's around eighteen years old that had a job working as electrician and Metro North while going to school, you know, you can utilize that. So when the younger brothers stopped coming to form that's my nephew right g North of Africa band and baby Bam and um Sammy b I needed somebody to read the road manager, so I pointed Chris to become the row manager. What did you see in Chris? What did

you like? Ambition? The ambition, Like I said, he was cocky, arrogant, but you also sort the other sideway, you know, he had something that to standford or you know what it is down the road. So that's why I appointed him as roll manager. And this is road manager for this is yes, Hunt and Jung Bubbish came about, you know, and before you know, after a while he became at the fourth member. Yeah, Jesus, there's so much history here man. Yes,

So okay, how does this develop into you? Because hip hop this time especially I'm outside of looking at it him, I'm like I said, I'm forty four years old. How do you go from like the hip hop like hip hop being underground and then you get this chance to be on the radio station. Well, first and foremost, I got to give a live of respectors um may he rest in peace, super rocking Mr Magic Wow. You know he's the one that I always said that he's the one that really opened the doors for us to be

doing the airwaves. So it's Mr Magic first. Mr Magic First. He used to be on the independent station w HBI point nine and late night from like two to four in the morning. But you know he had grabbed so much attention from the youth and the streets that he is WBLS major radio station picked him up. So they picked him up. No, that's ran nine eight point seven. Kiss firm had interest because they want to do similar

to what BLS is doing. First person they ran after was a member of the zoo nation called Africa Islam, but he missed a couple of appointments. I think he was overseas at the time. So the next person they went after was my cousin, the original DJ J, and he did it for a couple of months even though there wasn't paying, but he gained so much exposure for getting gigs and studio work, and then he let it go cause he was on the go with the SOCNIC for us to performing. So they came to him. They

came and said, who's the next person having lined? So it came to me, and that was in October nineteen three. I never looked back some boys for that. Goddamn how old were you when you got that gig? How old? Damn more or less? Huh more or less? Like? How old you think got? Being my um, you asked that question. So I I'm bouncing around a little bit ahead. How do you after flex? Connect? Well? I gotta give it a lot of credit for the person work from master

Flexing was Chuck Chillout. Okay, yes that's right. Chuck chill Out and Flex grew up together, you know, and flex used to always be up and even look like each other a little bit. I went to all and so here it is that when Chuck he went over to BLS and flexes with him. But then some situation happened and things despaired from over their BLS. I don't actually know what happened, but despair that no longer Chuck is there. You know, Flect was there right after Chuck, But Chuck,

I mean Flex, that kind of um sped off. I had a backup DJ every time was on the road, and Flex your backup DJ. No, no, no. The first backup DJ for me was seeing me being the Jungle Brothers because back at a D eight there was a Dope Champ tour that I was on with on Boogie Down production and I needed somebody to know feeling for me for the whole summer. So that was Sammy B. But after I finished that, now Sammy is taken off

of the Jungle What was they doing their thing? So now I still have to have time off and going away to doing gigs or doing conventions or whatever it is. So I need another backup DJ. So that's when I had interests in Flex, and I asked him to come in. He said, problem, So let me let me like I said, let me be bouncing around a little bit. Right at what point? Because at one point in hip hop, it felt like the DJ was the star and like the rapper or the MC was really the hype man. But

it was always like the DJ. At what point of hip Hop did it? Did that change when the recording field came in? Why? Because you remember in the beginning, when you heard certain groups like Flash and the Furious Facts. You know, um you heard of Rocket first, yeah, you know, and there were certain times you heard the DJ name first because he was the forefront. But the DJ is not being on the record, so who they're paying attention

to the person who's on the record. So that's where the navitive had changed that people start paying more attention on the MC that we call at that time become known as rappers, and that's where everybody started looking more at the rappers. But the DJ was always in the forefront because the MC master ceremonies was the hype man or you know, the crowd participator. And know, in the very beginning, hip hoply was just like simple little rhymes, you know. But then here it is, it got to

the next step. And I give credit to people like Melly, Mellow Cast, you know, couple others. You know, they're the ones that started making more lyrical and that's why it transcend to people start making records and everybody come out again. You know the songs. Now that's this famous party right, this one they say, this is the first hip hop party that happened uptown. Were you there? No? Okay, cool?

I'm glad you ket kept it real because I don't be knowing who was there, but Grandma's cast out here and said he said he was a kid there as a kid. He was there. He said he was there as a kid. Okay, if if I remember Greig last what we said? So because what was it like? Just like fifty people there? Did you hear about this party? Like the first party? I let on, you know, because no understand, I didn't grow up. I went to school

in the Bronx, but I grew up in Hall them. Okay, I went to school in the bron Clinton High School. I'm in a tough time up there in Clinton High School. And it was all boys quote unquote during the game, right, so you know when things start quiet down and then you know, they started having these different functions. I used to always talk about her her, who was her? So

the fun us and no alarm me. You know, we all went to check out her for the first time and I caught the book at the same time, called the brother from him. I was sneaking downtown to the clubs we used under age, you had to be dress a public, actually wear my older brother clothes. And I was checking out the DJ's downtown and checking out her uptown. So I learned the difference of the disco downtown because

because this is the downtown, they won't playing hip hop. No, No, there was no such thing the dance student type crowd, not totally, because you know, I was certain clubs I was playing. I was not playing, but I was going to was you know, a combination of R and B and dance moment some disco. Okay, so you're talking about

student fifty four, that's a whole different range. Okay, when you're talking about these clubs like No Greens, Uh, Superstar Cafeteria, Hotel Diplomat, I mean the list is no. You know, that was more for the urban crowd, the urban clouds downtown that was going downtown uptown. Herd would play a

twist of it, but add some other different elements. You know, a lot of red type of sounds that you know, become known as classics to this day, like the Mexican like it's just begun like Apache, you know, in feborous otherways, you know, and you also had other DJs that was right under him, the original DJ Clark Kent, not from the book name, really original DJ Clark Kent, the original DJ Clark. I didn't know this, do this of course,

get confused, but the original that was under her. And there was another guy he passed away name knew it Timmy Wow. So they were the one. And then you know there was time that you know, Koklevok who was considered the first MC. Yeah he was k was Kirk's MC. Here it is. He would get on the turntables a couple of times, you know, even a couple of times her would get on the microphone, you know. So that's really was everybody just showing their style, their own flair.

So I was learning the difference of downtown and uptown and that study booth and then when the when the Bam Bought a coming like in me between youth covering the downtown is a difference uptown? Is this now? I did not know about Ben Bought until a little later on. And because right after Coolhood, the next wave DJs came in, like Flash Rest in Peace a j Uh the the El Brother was featuring grammars at Theodore as the youngest Um.

The listens Long Guy named smokey Um. There's so many of them, and I was handing so much about Bam, but Band was on the other side of the Bronx. How I got to learn more about Band because my cousin Jazz, along with the family, had moved from down in the Hallam and moved up in the Bronx for the Bronx the Bronx River. The first person that Um Jazzy got down with was a number person rest in peace,

name disco King Mario. And when you got down with Mario, Maam started handing about, Well, who was this young guy that's over there? Mario? He said, the family is just moving the plodect. He said, we're supposed to be doing over there. He supposed to be with us. So he went and got a hold Jazz. And that's how Jazz spoke prior to Nation being formed. Yes, no, I mean Jude Nation was already formed. But you know a lot of time Jazz got up, you know, he got down

and then they brought me in. And how how is is that? Like? Um, I never got to see the Zulu. I never got to see the unity that I mean, because you know, people say what's down, you know things about the gangs at that time like that, you know, the Black Space, but it was it was a formal thought. It was a part of the Black spage. He was down with I think Black Space or the Baby Space, anything under that affiliation. You know, people people, and that

turned into Zula Nation. Well here it is. When the gangs died down, he had from a group called the Organization. I still wasn't around yet. Okay, no, hearsay and I heard that, asked about maybe six eight months. And then he formed the Zoo Nation. And he started with the Bronze River, and then he started to gather formulating little by little spread than that. Man, I'm getting schooled, brother,

I'm getting schooled. Brother, I'm getting schooled. So bouncing around, bouncing around like how we always do, wouldn't it focus? But when I text Fat Joe the first thing he said, I say that, I say you got he got a question for Betther Alert. He said, yeah, he discovered Fat Joe. Is this true? I mean he probably discovered a lot of people. Not probably. We know. I'm gonna tell you how this came about. Okay, cool. So I got to hear Joe for the first time at the Pottle Okay,

he was right. Yeah, he went at the pom and I don't even know how many times you've been there, but I showed him that one time. It was amateur night. So afterwards I had interests because I'm wanting to get like a promo from him, because I was known for playing promos, you know, like the plates type promo. When promos it's like it's recorded and they passed it to me as on tape you know, and get to play.

You know. I had some of them passed me on cassette and I transferred to the you know through real and play such as like people's demos. Basically it's not demos. We consider promo because not only that it's demo, but it's promos for not for my show, for the radio. But they're announcing the um magate points that m amounting me, and they're doing their little freestyle in it. People such as like d Knights or t R eight Oorators coming, you know, just as an example. So um I asked

Joe to similarm to me, so he did it. I took my time and hold onto it until I finally played it. And one thing I had about promos, there's some promos I had that I usually played them regularly like they was in rotation, like records and where it got around. Well, well give me you the props for alert. I've seen you trying to be humble about it. We're gonna be trying to listen. Listen, the man said, listen.

I it's so it's so crazy because what y'all did, what you was a part of what is happening now. It's it's so important to tell the history. It's so like when I'm texting people from everyone, it's like your red has so much history. So this is the the reason why I'm like bouncing around. But it's so important that this history doesn't be for guy, you understand what I'm saying, because, um, the one thing I learned about this new generation that

I pay attention to is what they would say. They would be like like they'll they'll they'll quote a line and they wraps like yo, like Jordan's dropped eighty six and and the Jordan dropped fifty five and eighty six. You're like, you mean, y'all went and did the research for Michael Jordan's but you get the money through hip hop and you don't know what's happening in the pop. You know, why them Jordan's that you got on this other section. But you don't know when you hear juicy beet,

where does it come from? You don't know when you hear grand Master, like you don't know when you hear these certain things. You know. I think that go according to the perception. Jordan's example, The perception is you hear so much about Jordan, you're gonna look up about Jordan's because you're not going to take time to study about

the um what you're getting into, you know. I'm just like, if you can study upon anything in music, you can study anything into sports and too industrial, into politics and who the people who that was there before you and set it up for you to be where you at. For a lot of people don't do that. This is go by perception. So right, you know, rest in peace

Kobe right now? Everybody using Kobe name, you know, anybody use a famous popular name, whatever whatever they had done and put it in their vines, but they're not gonna do them. Who can dig deep to see where it really ovirginally come from? I mean, why not though? Because the interest is not there. At some point we stopped passing that knowledge down to keep that interest there. That's what I think. Drink you start to help with it. At some point, even even if you was a street rifle,

you wanted to be smart or something. You wanted to know something like you know what I mean, Like you didn't want to somebody to walk into the room when you not know that this person is this person? You know what I'm saying. So like when when did rap become dumb? Like like I mean, like what and I'm not I feel that the online internet, social media will control the mind. So today because now you're not thinking

for yourself. You're thinking according to the perception and what you're seeing, what you're here or their online do social media and everything, so you're not willing to go and dig a little deeper. You know, people from the time you was out with me, they used to always talk about their favorite rapper from before and go digs it today And so like a halt according to what I just said. And it's because like like you had I think I think we had something called paying dudes that

that never stopped. I mean right now they'd up the hand dudes, and they're not making the record class and they couldn't class, Like, how do you like? Yeah, you gotta go to school. Sometimes school they go by to school. Wow wow, Wow, that that was deep. That was deep. Okay, Caress one comes out with this record. Now from my understanding, the South of Bronx came first. No, no, no, it wasn't Crane, It wasn't the bridge. Bridge first. It was the bridge. Okay, I need you to describe because you

know I'm it hurt me. It hurt me like a grown man. But I was a kid. Back to what Harris was struck first, Yes, I always do it, come on, always thought it at the South Bross. Then you know, maybe I got my memory. I smoke out of marijuana. Don't know if people have knew that. Okay, I smelled so okay, So the bridge comes um mc sharing at Molly Mark at the time. Are you are Molly Mark? Friends? Are y'all like ours? We was arch rivals on the airwaves and I did not really know much about Molly.

He didn't not know much about We always had hair say and people would read that in between that have a coslla agitating different things, you know, just run and the only person that I've come out very vocal is always magic because he used to always talking nonsense about me. Under maybe Magic was about mar Yeah, I mean you gonta understand bls. Magic was first and then here I come on. And then first I was going after my cousin. So when they he said, yo, who this guy down

to down here? And Jazzi? Who Jaggi rack Jazzie jerking there? So y'all started this game radio. So when I came on, who this guy here? This new guy, this red guy red what red dirt? He called me red dirt? He said, just Woody with Peca, you know, and I've never given um. I came to the program at the time and I said, you know, man, Magic is dissing me. He started laughing at me. I'm getting mad now because you know I'm not. And you're on the same program. You're on the same station.

This is a different state, different okay, So I go back at him. Wouldn't let you dis some back? No? No, see, I wasn't vocal yet because him adance. When I used to do, I used to be prerecorded. I should be on from eleven to two in the morning, so it's just prerecorded, okay. So I wasn't vocal yet it wasn't live. But I was getting mad because he'd been thising me. So here with this, I'm telling my program back to you're like laughing. I'm like, why do you laughing? You say,

let me tell you something. You guys got right to be mad. But same time he doesn't you. He's advertising you. So now here with everybody gonna wonder who is this person he keeps talking about, and they're going to turn the down. So I learned to swallow every time somebody coming to me in the street, Yo man, magic this, and yo man, he said, I'm heeding inside. But I got ahold man. And then you know that changing. And then here I had a partner coming seven months after me.

After I'm on kicks up here come Chuck, chill out. So now I brought me and Chuck back and forth. You know, after magic me, I still know very little about Molly, not much about Molly at Molly's Magic. Many friends at least on the same station too, right, okay, bls now, before the Bridge War, it was the roxand Roxan. I'm sorry, just called it the Bridge Wolf. Yeah, let's make some moisture that I like that. Okay, let's go um here. It is um during the Rock and roxan.

I know that I'm credit breaking u TFO Rock and roxand even though they tried to credit it so name right after and got a female to go after you TF. I'm hanging out Russell Simmons office like the floors rush producheon and at the time, who comes stepping through with Spider D. You heard the Spider D. Spider D. Yeah, you gotta do your homework. Do my homework too, got them out. Spider D came in. He was one of

the artists for Russell. Okay. He came with a young lady and he said, you need to hear this, so he popped the tape in and listened to It is the lady going after Sean Tay. Wait all right, okay, continue, continue after the ladies going out to Shante. I laid everybody the name of Sparky D. Okay, okay, Sparky D. It's called Sparky's train. So we we gotta get this going. We gotta make this happening, and going looking for labors, everything but over the label was set up. Sparky turn

the mind said, but I don't have a DJ. She turned around and looking at me she said, you're gonna be my DJ. I said, okay, I was at the white pictures of simple like that, simple like so now here it is. I'm on the road with her. And who was on the road with Shante was and she sharing he used the DJ for Shawn heard that. So we was always rivals, but we always stuck together no matter what, because I look at it this way. We may be rivals on the radio, but were out of time.

We're from New York and anything go down, forget all that nuns together? Yes, yes, got it's what and now only that I remember one time, a couple of times flying time who was their manager? Where's my moment? So that's how close we was. So after the Rocks and Roxan died down, here come the bridge. Now she had made the bridge during this time from when I learned that um Scottland rock West in Priest and Chris was coming upproaching Magic about something and he just like So

they got mad because they had it. There was on the labels sneaping bad records, but the label dropped them, so they run their head and got with another label, Rock Candy Records informed themselves as Boogie Down Production and made this song, which I think was less than a hundred dollars called South Bronx. South Bronx was the answer to the bridge. So now here it is, I'm in Latin Quarters. I'm hanging out in that quarters on Celebrity Tuesdays.

Not the original Latin Quarters. I the one the ninety street right, No, the original that's down on forty seven. Yeah, you saw a part of it arms sub destruction with film in front of that. Um great flaws. Love it. Here it is Celebrity Tuesdays orsome too, and they had a guy named Dja. He played so here comes Scott and Chris. They coming in and they have you know what the ASCID tape is, right, that's like a hard plate before become vinyl. Yeah, like the stamper before the stamper,

after the stamper. Isn't that the metal part? It's really hard and you only get a couple of plays until where is out? That's what dump plates are made on the right. I don't know none of that, but yeah, yeah, Chinese to be right now, should they pass the ASCID tape over to the we put it on. People responded so crazy before they went to the end, he said, yo, go to pay this from the beginning again it was the South South Bronzy, body going crazy over it. So

after that, here it is. That's when they gave it to me. This is for you to play on the radio. So now here it is, mind you, I'm still battling back and forth with them, right. Another thing is I'm playing a lot of records that Shan is on and whatever other songs that money was producing. Because I always learned one thing. You may be my rival, but you give me ammunition for me to play against you. So

I'm playing them hits. So when I set it up for that first time, I'm playing to the Bridge right when they playing the Bridge first, and then the South Bronx. So when it came to the courts front saying to the Bridge, I know South bron South South Bronce that woke up in that woke up makes a noise for you starting to beat. So then after that hip hop man. So that after that, that's when sham in her head and he made this record going to and that's when the next one came out by the bridges over let

me wat should I say? What do you know? We can need need sharing on this show to be fair on this show. So I swear to god I was too young to notice was kill that noise considered a hit. I'm I'm being honest, and I'm being honest too, because I'm not saying being bied because of who I'm down. But it wasn't hitting like that. It wasn't It wasn't bridge. The bridge was hidden. Okay, the bridge was hidden. Then South France hitting killed That noise didn't hit the bridges

over it was hitting the bridge was overkilled to bring that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I would say that. So I understand how you feeling because where were you from? From Queen's Yes, from Queens. But that's what I need to know. I need to know what I need a little. I mean, yeah, I probably Queens. Yeah, I'm not moving on because I really, I really like as a child, I remember it, but I don't remember it to the to the extent. What

what what? What? Years? These records came out eight seven, This is my eighties seven, eighties six, and I'm born in seventy seven, so I'm literally ten years old. I know I'm following, but I'm not knowing. I'm following. What I did remember was it made those that record made the tough people from Queens be tough because yeah, because if you ran around he was like, I didn't hear pete from a place called Queens. That's fighting words, Like you're not trying to be cool with me by saying that,

Like you know what I mean. So they made a lot of people tough from that ship. So there was a lot of artists from Queen's and I was banging their song. But let me ask you, let me ask you something. And this is this is also real talk, right because we had care rest one on here, right, he was going on the ship. We haven't been able to get SCE. We love you Shan. Please stop thinking it's crazy about us, but we haven't had it had Shan on here. But every time I see Shan, all

care of us actually speak about it. Although it's not fighting words. It's like I don't think they could ever be friends. I feel that they've shared the stage since the man you can share the stage versus they trying to kill each other. I think that in versus this, she was not a celebration no more actually feeling it's a love hate relationship between the booth. For that, That's what I'm trying to say like that, because now ain't

that think about it years later? Commercials and ship. Yeah, so here it is, you get together and make commercial to make a couple of a couple of dollars. That's business. One thing ain't got nothing to do with together. But you know why I say that's a little different with them because neither one of them think either one lost. They both they won to eat your own Yeah, I even had their own opinion. Yeah, you know, they have their opinion and the audience have their picks. That's I

guess that's what matters. Are you a fan of versus versus? Yeah? I like versus? Which one he was a fair of versus? It's hard to say because I did not fully look at each of every one of them the whole full thing. But so you know, I'm always school school hard. I love that versus when I saw it aslet fire very very now, I did not see the whole full thing of job and fat Joe and got your back. Huh we got your back? Yeah, we got me? Where were you from? You know? That's both both of my brothers also,

and that I felt bad about that. Look joh and Joe was really they're really brothers, like you know, I'm just playing like you know, although mass majority of saying you know, John run that, but dip set and and the lots. It almost felt like although I've never been to the original Latin Quarters, which how y'all described the Latin Quarters, how I've been to the ton of it felt it felt. It didn't felt like we was in

two thousand and twenty one at all. It felt nineties ish, like they had all the dudes on stage and everyone knew to respect each other, like stay on each other side, even though they went a little too far certain instances. But everyone was thinking about the bag and it really really felt like hip hop, Like it felt like when I've seen who was who was it Melly Melon and them against each other on stage and it wasn't Grandmaster Cast his crew against uh comin Yeah. Yeah. It reminded

me of that. I'm looking and I'm like, and I remember Grandmaster Cast saying yo. He's still saying yo. He thought he won. But the crowd, he said, the crowd was with them more because you know, they were they were pretty are they help? Yeah more, I don't take the clothes or some ship and for me to see

that and then the dip Set, the Locks. It reminded me of real pure hip hop, even down to the point of praying out the fact that they was rhyming over certain records, rhyming over the vocals and just pointing that out, like yo, bro, that's cheering, Like you ain't supposed to be rhyming on that. Even like point that that reminded me of real I remember, I could not perform with my vocals on like I would have did that the crowd would have told me immediately, know what

was that? Like, you know, reached back to the dip set. They from my town hall. I love each of every one of them. And you gotta understand that the Locks, them guys are battling them seas, yea, every one of them. You know here it is dip set. They got no stout, swag, everything built around, but the tactics is different. That's the

best way I could put it right. And um, I think I think I think the Brotherhood played a part of it too, Like I think from what I heard, uh Tips that had three different DJs yeah and the one Yeah. The individual seas had their own DJ yeah like that and they had one. So it just I know I always say this word wrong, but it just reminded me of having that good comment. What was it called camaraderie colmorad. Yeah, like you know what I'm saying, like when you're all on the same level like um.

But like I said, I just love the fact that they kept it hip hop, you know, um yeah, definitely it was good for New York. Right, So let let me bounce around. So how do you and Molly like squads to be after later on their life? Well, you know the funny Parker called Marty and I started working together at seven okay cool? And here it is from Hot nineties seven for for men. I was over at

power room or five. I know, I've been at all four stations urban stations that you know, nay n N seven kiss, Hot ninety seven, power chore like goddamn check. That's a hustler's hustler right there. As Marty and I got closer over at power Room five, Momy used to already say, you remind me of this guy. You remind me this guy every time you were saying, because I've come out with during the abbreviations the acorns, you know, like you know your job motherfucker or pay your making,

manage what the funk out of here? So I got that from somebody my family. So he said, you know, entertained you to the abbreviation money or something. And then when he mentioned about that he was in a six huntry school, I say, brother, cut you? He said your brother. I told him my brother's name. He said, that's your brother. I said yeah, because if he never mentioned six hundred school, I would never know where you get that phone. So we make a noise for six hundred schools right now? Huh?

Are we gonna make some noise for the six hundred schools? All right there? I don't know, I don't know New York. This is the school to prepare you for jail because they don't have no girls in there. You you go with there's no girls, This baby jails. JA like, as we're speaking on that real quickly, what's the the trade six terms of school? And the school may have the

people that's in the show up us. Oh damn. I've been in both, so I could probably because you know this bad then this is was in the resource room and special a. You know what that is? Resource? You know resource room? Resources? When UNIQ spec without they got a holler at the Hall of y'alla, you know, but most of us say, we aren't here for behavior. Nobody said, yo, man, I'm sucking out, you know. I mean, but I was on both wall right now in the school system. Let's

make some noise for the school system. So you're molly, I talked about six hunt in school, and that's why I got to see the connection where he saw I was getting them says from from my clause, my blubber. You surprised do that teaching and he was in the um um No, he was just in the um is if you're a gym teacher, you know help um physical. Yeah, so you know that's what you got through. So did

you all? Because because you know, you know, I imagine like like once in the Blue Jay ands to be like you remember remember when we went through Like I imagine like just you know, like did you and BALI ever just like you see the ship that we've been through, like ever talked about it. I never really really And we've been racking together for a wild because married fact, you know, before this pandemic, we was doing this thing

for about good. Maybe we asked the brother right here, how many how many years were doing the old school reunions years? I many, Molly and Lance about nine of the twelve years. It was me rest in Peace, DJ Lance and Molly muh And when me and Marty was wrecking together during that time as well being on the radio, we didn't think about all that nonsense. We're working. Really. I imagine like one time, like you would have had a bill, but you should drink juice. Drink it's a name,

it's a nickname that was given. First I used to drink Viccardi and coke. Yeah, yeah, that's back then. They're invest in piece of my mother. She said, you're drinking that cheap stuff. I say, what you're talking to my mom? You're gonna drink drink the best top shelf. Go and get Maya's room. So I started to Maya's room. First I tried but coke, like yeah. Then I tried with cranberry juice. I like, take all right. Then when the violators sneaky d say you're a tried it pineapple. So

then trying pineapple juice. Here it is first that came over, the nickname Poopoo was big voted the volators. Okay, it's poopoo, not poom poom. Guy said poom poom man, which is totally different. Poompum is totally different. Man just described it. I we used to say the poopoo juice. Okay, so that's where we had. Of course, I stopped drinking for about a year and a half. Now, okay, let's I'm drink four. You don't don't worry about it. J Yeah,

Like you call it the nasty? What I used to drink? No, you you know that wasn't Wait a minute, I used to drink its nasty anything, but club was the nasty. No, what club soda is with the nasty? You got the club soda from? No, your ship was a club soda memory that I got to look even funny, I know how I got the nasty from It was me, you

used to say. When I didn't get that from you, I got come up with you came up Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, I know exactly what I came up with that at that's what I was drinking it because he said that he lost weight, and I was like for real, and he's like, yeah, just drinking, but sell a water And I was like, well, I think you should put pineapple back in that motherfucker, because that's this is horrible and that's what I called it, the nasty all right, Wember, Well,

maybe be talking about drinking, all right, cool, but we one of your son is gonna come in to take a shot. One of yall drink or y'all to drink. Okay, alright, I don't have both of them coming with a little cool. We're gonna do quick time with slime. Come on, yeah, do we have greip time and slim? Okay? Cool? Alright, cool? And we got a drink too in this game. Yeah, we drink too. The fact that us making a drinking and not I don't have the glass, but I got them. Okay,

this is for y'all. Okay, Oh yeah, yeah, what's that red alert? What is that? Oh my god? Go ahead for you. Okay, let me open it up for you. Thank you very much. Okay, that's big. All. Good to meet you. I got definitely we got the shorts food that I have on Okay, got master retroll? Ye, yes, doing that day, Thank you very much. Should I want you to told me before I put it over? We're giving gifts? Oh yeah, we're giving gifts. We give a gift, come on, Yes, that boblem Oh my man, thank you.

Oh hell yeah. So that guy said this is the oldest rob. Who's the one day you said here on the radio? Okay before we start the game, Yes and everyone, Yeah, that's he's artist. Oh that's what's up both for y'all, sottell So alight, yeah, let's do this. Yep, the third guest to get roses from it up. Yeah, you're literally giving people their roses when they get here. So these roses last a few years. Strange, good, open it up.

You literally had to give your roses. Yeah, that's the you know, Yeah, I got you, I got some ship. I don't want to break my ship because I'm gonna type. Right, So we got the shots out. What you want to do? You want to drink? You're into? All right? Cool, it's gonna be a couple, right, Cool. This is this is it's called quick Time with Slim is a game. So you gotta take the shots for your pots. So it's cool. So um, all right, so just how it goes. We're

gonna give you our two choices. You can pick one or the other or whatever he picked, whatever he picked. So if he picked, if he picked both, you both gotta take a shot. If he picked one, then't either one of you gotta take a shot. All right. We're drinking with him and we're drinking with him, so we try yeah. Cool. Yeah, so if you're politically correct, you pick both. We're drinking about cool. Yeah, we got you,

we got you, we got you. Drink. Yeah, you ain't gotta drink all right, So but this is for you. We're gonna ask you the question. I mean, however you ask it. Then Dictator drinking habits right, yeah, yeah, Okay, you're gonna stop being you never get the first one? Jay z or nas you can pick both now, right, don't worry about it. Okay, shot monster you can't come on back? Yeah you don't. Don't leave the witness, don't lead do it? That got cash sign stomach? Yeah all right,

that's what I don't know. Neither Biggie or Big Punt Biggie. Okay, Mr Magic or Molly Marr Magic. Okay, Funk Flex or Kick Apri kick Capri. I'm gonna tell you right, I need to know. While from Flex is my man, I love him to death, but Kick Capri is so chasmatic and so you know, skillful day he brings it to the table b DP or the juice crip b DP. Okay, Dad, alright DMX or tupap drink up? Who DMX the dog your Dogs Dog Hot ninety seven or Power one oh

five Hot seven. I love how you that's very confident. He didn't even think about that. He's gorun straight with I'm gonna take a shot for that. I don't even know why. No, I know I was at Power for five years, and I know that Power woke up Hot ninety seven because at one point they said they was only game in town. Yeah he's too last. They had no competition. But then here it is came over. You know, hm as you see where it is at now, MTV

raps or rap City. Oh, I gotta say MTV Raps because it was the door opener and it's set the pace for many other people. You know, no disrespect. I wish you would have put video music back instead of rapp City. We converould say video music box. And at the guys who write the questions like yeah, that's right, got a documentary commend Yeah, hell you pig you up. Ralph mcdanie something you need him on? Drink Champion juice so Boys in the Hood. Damn. I mean he's in one.

So that's the way you in Juice. You got no choice. But I don't know about God. He's the party bar the party by Boys in the Hood. I'm taking the shot. You pick the wrong one. You're going Boys in the Hood. I'm gonna tell you why. Okay, I need to know why Boys in the Hood. You think about something that show the side the other side of the United States that a lot of people don't know what relate to day by day. Now, we saw a piece of it from Colors, but they took it to another standard after Juice.

It's what we already know. So that's why I'm picking Boys in the Hood because it puts something different to the table. He's John saying, that's the piece John Sick or digital days, Oh my god, he's a hard podcasts or radio radio Carovessel. Are you serious? This is my engine? And produce the questions? Man, they get corner I got and not because I've worked with him, but we already know look at the catalog. Okay, one, okay, okay, and

fat just me another question too. By the way, um Queen Teeth for MC light, who you know I was like, you brought that up because people forget that. How skill food crean tell one of the illests. You know, I understand she took it too many heights and I respect her now she trail Blaze, but that my game was so mean and I still don't know the answer that. I feel like we could drink to that. Yeah, we drink to that. Don't worry. You gotta bust your brain.

And nine is a beast because I know there's guys who don't even want to go against like, wow, wow, you got drinks. Yeah, I'm ready for that. I'm ready to solo solo solo. Listen and our show we celebrate our legends, and you're one. We want to sell a break too, solo. Motherfucker spect man, spect. We ain't done yet right now, this one. I definitely don't know what you're gonna say. Yeah, I kind of do know. I'm not sure though it's been you've been even fooling me lately.

Eighties or nineties hip hop eighties. Okay, I'm gonna tell you why. I need to know why, because you got me to be where i'm at. Got that not even it's a blessing, Okay, l L or Komo d L L the longest lasting hip hop recording artists and modis my man, you are from harm and I respect MODI, but L L showed his diversity. What did you call that? The longest lasting hip hop recording artists? You know, think about it. Grandmother and granddaughter can go to an L council.

Grandmother can sing I need love, granddaughter singing hespron Look at this fan of how many years? That's the analogy, that's true. I didn't know what came out with eighty five hespernd came out two thousand five. Yet year Now if him, it is if the mother's daughter had a child and that was about maybe become like you know, going on ten years become twenty years old. The grandmother at the time from them thirty years, she was the one that was rocking. They both can go to an

L L consent. That's yeah, that's the ill point, Max Pose. I love the balls, alright, this one, this one, I don't know. No, I think, I think, I don't know you're gonna go with this one heavy dal Or your rock man, Damn why are you doing? And I love both and they both are so creative. Damn you ain't got the forces you know we are. We don't mind taking a shot. He damn right. I love when people can stay. You can pass the bottle. Rest of you

start start problems. Question we stop to both of them. Yeah, respect, you know they both went that. I respect about both of them. Lyrically, they know how to go high or low. They can take it a hide hide up tempo and a dance matter, and they can bring low as a flow. Not too many mcs can do that. Too many can do that, and them too, They make it happen. Solute,

motherfucker Reid. Respect all loyalty. Huh, Respect all loyalty. No, you just got me thinking about what my son already say now and then I gotta say respect, respect all a long way. No, you may get caught out there. That was deep. We'll see it. Get you're killing, kill what you're getting moment it's five as well. It's fire scarface, ice cube the quem okay public enemy or n W a public enemy dog open this Kanye Wessel for for well primo or large pro primo large pro goddamn. And

they both beasts. They're both in beast. No, and they don't get there just they don't get their just we have Primo on here, but we need large prof We need Primo back. Yeah no, they both bad. Motherfucking show y'all. Sip alright, cool, cool stunt. I tell you we got one more. Yeah, got me sweat, Yeah, man, this is what we're going. So I just we'll take a shot first and then my actual last one. Again, this is the motherfucking red alert man for you. All the contributions

you gave to hip hop, We love you. We want to give your flowers in your face and tell you how important and how great you are to this society, to this government of our own, to our community. This is what you mean to us. We love you. Motherfucking drink champs over here, solo. Okay, the last one, Dr Dre or paul uh Dr Dre puff. I gotta say

Dre hmm. I wasn't prepared for that one. Why why the history that Dre have from man, he was with world class crew, Yeah, and had transd to so many of the different entities, and none had to evolve from row to aftermath, from ruthless to death, Row to afternoon. I forgot ruthless. Supreme, he's the brain, He's the brain because he makes pump is a person that can take the teep a bottle of cash from make it look like it's the biggest seller. That's how clever he is.

He's a marketing gene, you know, and he makes it happen. But Dre and for being behind the board, he's the one that really makes that happen. You want extra question right because you just answered that too too easy? There's one extra question. You don't have to. We don't have to take a shot unless you'll want. You don't have to. But pop Daddy is saying ja Jermaine Dupris and even in his class, I heard about that, about that what

do you think? You know? I'm gonna tell you something because during that time or three of them were just speaking about they was the power set of that ever hard? You know, Jermaine, a lot of people don't know have been producing a long time too. And right the Criss Course album. Yeah, I mean you know, I remember the fact that he made me jump. That he made me jump. Now he got there was a group that he had produced that that never came out. Course, Silk Time Level

that came out. Should that show you that the limp of Town how long he's been putting in. I know that he's very clever bringing the youth to make them stars. Cris course she was rat you know, yeah that's dope. But who are you picking, Jermaine Depre puff daddy, Damn you m t am taking that one. I'm gonna take a shot for no matter what you were, matter what answer you give pastor I'm gonna take a shot no matter what as do you give your main or like, I actually want to see it now because I just

love the puff confidence. As he was saying, he was like, man, you're not even on my lovel Get doctor Dre on the phone, Doctor Drey on the phone. That probably go from zero to sixteen. Yes, so make it happen. Like I said, he's a great salesman. And by the way, we're also drinking summer strits. It's fired and you can watch as well. Yes, yes, so um not God got honest. You're sitting there, you want to watch the battle? Who you think will when if they was the battle j

d j U. Yes, that would be very tough. It's a different kind of battle because they're not in the seas necessarily spitting and they both was on the records or three of them was on the record, But it's more about the records that they were part of the whole catalog, which that's the whole idea about them. Ask artists. Yeah, as artists here they can play records as they wrote and produced and had things to go with. So now

if you know that actually a better question. You want me to ask you a better credit or easier question. How about that? Which out of the three, which would you want to see Puff against Dr Dre or or they gotta be prof Dre against one of them? Just pick any match about the three. Yeah, let's go back to the old school restamant when you put all the minium, that's what that. Yeah, I see who comes out number one? Yeah, you know, I have it be Puff and Jermaine dupri

and then Dre just comes in in the middle. Yeah, this is definitely vers So all right, who would you rather see Puff first j D or Puff verse J Dre. I'm taking a shot for God Puff and Dre, okay, because okay, I'll respect that answer. I'm taking a shot for that answer anyway. Slotle Sootle that damn salute. Yeah, I make it Dad, and they all three they all three gave me some great ammunition to be out there,

you know, great songs and playing those records. Oh yeah, you give me the right animal, I mean out getting to feel real good. And that's three regions that they represented. Yeah, three, yeah, Okay, this is what Fat Joe said, Who invented DJ? Invented it invented? Yeah. I think that's a good question, But that come from he said, he said, you need names, like he's asking me to say that I need names. It's hard to say because before the culture that hip

hop took place, it was DJ's. Before that, what they called DJ's but two turntables. I think I forgot what name they have been called, because they're the one that took the title from what a radio person was known in the beginning. He was knowing, he, she or they was known as DJ's in the beginning, and then the DJ came to them spending in the street in the clubs.

That then they changed it from DJ to personalities, right right, like Martin, this is a person now that that person now, But he would have been back like he's saying, would have been back in the days called the DJ would have been called a DJ. They was and is deep to me, this is deep, ye, But no I don't. I don't know who really started it. And I know that it evolved from like dance music disco when it really took forth more and more. You know who knows.

Probably could have been the DJ's own radio in his past time. I could have been the borns that was playing one record, one banking after the novel and in a big club or a big no hall, whatever it is. They were the ones that was in place of a band, because you know, everybody was having bands when they saw the DJ at one time, they used to laugh at that.

I get out of here. But then the band start fading the way in the DJ started coming stronger and stronger, and the craigs started coming to right, Oh did they here? But now I was gonna say, who if you know who perfected the looping of break beats? Those fly um you're talking about out to you keep it continuous. Flash to credit that I just wanted to flashes credit as the person that learned how to make a turntable into

an instrument instrument. You know he was pushing that none he was he very He's like a geek in its own way. And make sure that it's tight doing like that. Sure, yeah, okay, So I got some more questions. This is from other people. Ya don't have to standard you don't want it, you can't. Yeah you want yeah? Please quick? Yeah you can grab a seat. Okay, okay, this is from DJ now, he asked why he Yeah, just makes just make sure not

in front of any of those two cameras. Yeah, yeah, stay the next one your family, yah, him why he picked me DJ enough obviously to be his apprentice after master Flex at Hot ninety seven. Because I'm curious shut out again? Please, I'm yea because I got a twist to this question, he said, asked him why he picked me obviously? This is DJ enough to be his apprentice after funk Flex started at Hot ninety seven after from Flexman deal. I'm needing another backup DJ every time we'll

go away. You said that earlier, right, So I forgot to name the club. I think it's called the Aftergon. Remember Octagon Street on the West Side and this is ninety's Yeah that was like early nineties. Okay, Yeah, I wasn't around early night was put Street from the Javis

Center Okay, okay, right on the street. Jacob javits. Okay, so um, here it is that I was playing for the M series that's in the organization Rest in Peace, my man Miguel, and they hired me for that night, and they hired Enough, so I got to hear Enough for the very first time. And I was bevery and pressed and was was he DJ and for big at this time? Or no? No, no, no, no no. He was in DJ for nobody. You was just a DJ doing the clubs. And when I heard him, my life

m I was in press. So after being no press and everything, that's when I stepped to the program that say I have another person that I have to take the next fot and that was enough to take Flex five Flex moved on the hot night seven. Okay, so here it is next person is enough? Okay, twist to this question, I had enough, I asked him. But his answers. But when I whenever I do an interview, I always go to Twitter, always go to it, And I asked,

you know you got questions, you got whatever? One of the questions that fans repeatedly asked, how did Red fail when I think Enough I was supposed to be. I think he replaced you at seven and the fact is that he was your apprentice. So is this something that you're sitting back and saying, man, this was this was something bad? Or was this something you gave your blessing too? I was hurt. I'm gonna tell you what I was hurting.

Not enough, but I was hurt in a certain part about enough, because he did not realize he was being used as the pawn to move me out the way as a person you bought in. We just okay and him it is by him not noticing that because he enough French were supposed to do the morning show for a strong book about to ask that. Okay, I don't know what took place of that, but then here it is he didn't I want to do it. So I know he spending time hanging around and programming. I know

that there was number one. And I'm not gonna mention no names, but there's a person in programming that I never saw at AM. And I get long with everybody, I get long with racing everybody, and I mentioned no names. I went to far I not mentioned her name because for this right here, the name is not even worth coming out my mouth. Here it is knowing that it was shaking between me and that person and knowing that

they want him because he was the fresh blood. You know, I'm a veteran that I don't know how many years. So they're looking at the moon too. So they took him and put him in place and me to move me. And that's what I became hurt, because you did the fire thing to utilize this guy, and this guy not realized, and he's being utilized for me to be removed, okay, And that's what I was hurtful a while. That's why he was at That's why I was hurt for a while.

And now I have to ask because I gotta be you know, so where is because Flex is also a person you brought in this game. West Flex, West, Chuck chill out during all this happening, all the air telling you Flaster was still at the station, you know, Flexson doing the Chuck is over there at Kiss at the time. You know, Um, I know they told me that after they moved me out, did they say, now even you

can go ahead and just through the twelve o'clock. Remember I had two ships and the old school noon and the five o'clocks you ride, they say you even can continue on the old school noon or you can go over there to kiss. So what I did. I took a break for about three months to clear my head and then I reconsidered coming back to kiss. And that's what that means. I'm like, you both want to say something good. I want to make sure you clear shift

to shift to something else. Okay, you get you right, because I mean I just want to clear it up because that's where I god like, I'm sorry, so sorry, Like you know, Twitter is the most I don't want to say negative, but it's the most like straight to the point. Like so when I when I interview anybody, I don't go to the ground. I go I go

to Twitter because Twitter gonna tell me everything. And what Twitter was like, yo, everyone always felt it was a certain move, one enough part that wasn't wasn't right, like like certainly it just wasn't right. And we have never really heard rad address that. You know what? Yeah, you know what's interesting about that people even acknowledge that that. I was like, that's the first question that was asked, even acknowledging caught that only years ago, right, they still earlier.

One that surprised me a little bit that she said I thought she was capping a little bit. You said, Twitter said that, but no, no, no, no, I do that. I do that. I do that for every Yeah. Yeah, because Twitter just hits me right in them. And once again the perception of how people look at social media, like you say on on Twitter, people want to see the drama side and I'm not showing that, but I feel that it's not needed for what to fulfill your satisfaction.

I n D. I'm not that, but that you're gonna stay stay on this and then because because I need to notice, right because Pat Joe used to say something to me like we still um like like you know, Fat Joe's person who put me like you know, after I'm settled in Miami, He's like, you go see everyone that comes to Miami like this is an advantage. And what he would do. I would see radio people and he would always be like, you're working in radio was so crazy because you can It's like working for the

baseball Like you could work up tomorrow. They could be like you in Minnesota, you and utaw them all and like your job is that you either quit or you could keep going on your job over there. So a lot of people don't understand that that works like that everywhere else but New Yak. Like in New York, they want their people to talk to them. I remember, I remember when even Ebro came. It was like a whole campaign to get evil off the radio, like for real, it was like, we want to hear our own people

and us excu excuse me. It wasn't even but it was Big Boy. You don't remember when Big Boys the morning show. Big Boy was doing New York radio for l A. He was giving l A traffic. So when you heard the actual morning show was being syndicated out there, they didn't. They wasn't catching on that that we're looking at there like, uh, you know, so across last scare's wait a minute, we don't know what last year nigger is, like, we don't these Bulevard And then we started to notice

they're not even giving us a show. They're giving us a show that's recorded in l A. And it was just she was just crazy at one point. So what I'm saying is I a lot of us don't know that part of it, right, So this is business, but it's still it's still personal, Like I don't care like a lot of people say, it's it's not business is personal. Like when you if you say a person's your apprentice and you you know, have flex, did you feel like like support for you at that time? Um, that's a

good question. Whish I never thought of. Wish I never thought of. And I don't look for people with a back for me and they were back for me. That's on them. And I appreciate, appreciate you the fullest, but I'm not gonna be like, look at hook me up now. I have learned over the period of time I've been on radio to earn my own If I wouldn't have had done that, I wouldn't be here as long as I've been that. So I have built relationship with many people.

You know, I know I gave a lot of people gripe upon my decisions what I do, such as flame music, you know what moves ever made. But I'm looking at I had my vision. So for what is it that you're looking for me? So I says what you just say? Why I bred never give an opinion. I have no reason to give her opinion. That's differend myself to say that's real ship, that's real because from the outside looking in, it looked like Flex had your back. I don't know.

I don't know this. It looked like Flex had your back. It looks like what you said. They look at that too, the same Flex have my back? Because no, Flex I have and I have a very unique relationship, major respect from each other, you know, but that I don't know what say Flex have on that right? Nothing, because that's a lot of That's how a lot of people look at it. Like, Um, when people think of the background and seven, they don't think of Tracy. They don't think

of the bros. They don't think of the what's my man name now, Poppy? Forget the guy no no, no, no, he's he's he's not he's not management. Um. They don't think uh, like you know, the higher ups. They think of Flex. They think Flex is actually and really I'm not all do do respect to Flex. I don't think that he makes those decisions on the background. I don't think.

I don't think so. I could be wrong. When you're in the public, guy, all kind of stuff is coming that you you know, they don't know the people that behind the desk and making the moves. You guys still answer to somebody. You know, we got less of what so I can't understand what they think of because for the left of time FLEX been there. But he don't shake. He make his moves. Then he feels that's best for him. They keep growing. He still got an answer to the

higher up. Now you are enough. You'll ever talked about the situation or we never talked about what I did that when I came back to kids for the final time before a close down, leave him from power, I took it upon myself and step into the studio while he was on, and I apologize to him. Why would you apologize? I felt that, you know, I deserve to give him an apology because I was silent to him for a long period of time. I wasn't saying nothing to him. I wasn't, you know, because I felt I

felt hurt. But at the same talk at the time, I'm not gonna take it to the over ankle. I just stayed away until I just get you. My health can't coming back over there. Let me go ahead and polish. And that's what I did. Yeah, that's good ship man, this is doing your radio talk. I'm sorry. I'm sorry, girl, I'm sorry. She got deep man, your radio try deep Man. I was pulled in I was pulled. It was like a wall. I was like, oh, ship, that's just jumped there.

So you know there's there's a lineage and an influence. I don't think people understand that comes from native tongue and that you're so instrumental in that. Can you speak about the birth of it. I have to give a lot of credit to the Jungle Brobbers Um the Jungle Brobbers from what I learned, the Jungle Brobbers and Daylight saw it got to Meatchop for the first time during

the show. I think up Boston when they got to meet each other, they felt a similar vibe how they come across and what they do Africa and Mike g who is my nephew, my sister's son. They broke into Mary Bertram High School No part of Manhattan. Who was also in that school at the same time. You had q Tip, Yeah, Alice Shahi, they had you Robie, You had my man Uh from x Clam from ex Clam, j blobbo j and Wresting Piece of DJ for their sugar shop. That was always with school Mary Bercham Is

this just still open? I don't know what school, just like the one the bust of us talking man. That was the school that you next to police. One police classis I don't want to bridge. So they all went to school there and you know, they was always interacting eaself against something going on. So I remember my nephews always say, yo, man, we want to make a record. We wanna make a record. So I thought it was jobbing.

I didn't think they took him serious. But the first person who took them in Africa and Mike was my cousin Jos to his studio, you know that was up infront. She had a studio. He also had Strong City Records, so they did something. Then my man Tony d he had a group that came out a long time ago called Bad Boys before the label, and they made this record called Inspect the Gadget. Can you remember that? And that was under called bad Boys. Yeah, group called Bad Boys.

Ricke Love who was considered the female beatbox. Um. So my man Tony was the DJ Slice producer. He said, hey, wait man, I just built the studio in my basement, you know, so anybody you wanted to bring a So that's when I threw on my nephew and they went ahead and start getting this stuff going on. Of course, you know, the first record they came out with everybody

knew was Jim Browski Jim Brownsky. Yeah, and then after that because I gotta like that, you know, and then they just Camet Building Building, and then they formed the first album, Straight out the Jungle. On the on there was a record Call on the Run that was named a record Call on the Run. There was an album cut. Who featured on the album cut was q Tip, but his name was Cute Tip at that time. Um, I think,

so okay. And then remember I just said to you about how Fat Joe and the Unite used to do programs for me, So you had q Tip doing program Hold on, you gotta relax. The younger Bubbers did a song called the Promo that was for the radioship, and then who was on the promo? What's q tip on their on their freestyle for the promo, and then it went to another set of a promo. Call in time grabbed everybody attention, the labelers, they said, you know, who

just got a que chip? Who doesn't? And then really caught their attention because n q tip was on day l are so so on me myself and I called black is Black, called everybody attention, Yo, maybe we won't get the next guy. We got Daylight going on, we got young Brobber going on. We want to get the next guy. So they're went after Q Tip and that's when Q Tip being shocked around and wind up being on Jove Records, but his um, but his own partners

and then for him trifical Quest. So now during that time, I'm getting real close to Mark, the forty five King. Respect the Mark, of course, absolutely he had the Flavor Unit. Yeah, the consists that's in New Jersey Nation, New Jersey. And the group she had there was like t Shabaz, not Kim sabas um chill rob um, let's she peace my man, the patch huh Nordy by nature. There wasn't. It wasn't around yet, it wasn't. I'm not there yet. God Almighty Arts was a part of the really. No, they were

managed though by them. They was managed by them, but that was laid only because they were in Boston. And then here come creen Chief you and I why I know, I'm just saying, just keep wrong time, wrong time like wrong time. Like. The first song she came out was called the Wrath for my madness. M hm. And here it is she a labelmate rid They're like so Tommy boy. So now here it is I have a relation with Mark relation. So she now drawing into what's going on

amongst the groups and she getting in frond. Here it is jungle bobs run oversea for the first time, and Africa got involved with a young lady who was the top. And see you over there at the time, Mooney love should just be connection now shot coming now, meanwhile saying African bat bottom discovered. No, no, not African ban bottom, Africa. Okay, this band bottom and then you got Africa baby band. They both Africa. But no after baby, let's take another shot.

I might make it worse. He got me man, he got me man. So like I said, so baby Beam connected with money Love in the UK because you know they got involved with each other. I don't know this part about money love. Yeah, really no money she was the top MC. I did too, and no one'll kill you. I just did marriage bootcamp with us. She killed she killed everybody different were playing around an start coming back

over here. Meanwhile, before before that, when I was DJ for Sparky D, he was always hitting or throughout the north who was just in Rock, South Carolina, or that I came across this DJ who was like the battist in his part of town and they used to call him short. He do want so he wind up moving up to New York and he kept on telling me about this MC half he had they do sure do

I have artists? Have an artist up in from Crim's and they got together, Sure you do want to change his name to Mr Long black Sheet and Long with dress black Sheet. And the reason they caught it up black Sheet before they was the outcast of the native tongue. I don't know that. I didn't know that you went to fast hold On, So why would they the outcast a native tongue? And so natives already native tongue. There's already native tongue. But you know you're from an attachment

that comes a little different from them. If you're listening to how this out, it was at that time black Sheet. The next the next one that come ray after, who was considered the youngster of the whole tribe, and that came through Chris Liffek Baby Chris. You know why we're calling Baby Chris because it's because he wanted to know like you don't edit, so if so, I just thought about that. I was like, people feel that they call on baby Crypta because the faby face. He had the

young face. But actually because remember I said there was another Chris in the valley and Chris Alee. So Chris Alee and Chris like Chris that he was younger than Chris hality, so we call him baby Chris. So he's the one that brought en that he became the factor and it was just formulated from its own. But I always give credit to his younger public Cordy initiate the

whole thing from start. So was let me this is actually I know you asked the question now, but what I want to know is because it felt like it was a lous affiliation, but you were the figurehead that's on radio, that's kind of organizing it. Because what I always thought when they were all signed to you, that's that's not I don't know that, that's what I didn't feel like that no Trunkle Brothers and Trapical Questions signed

to me and and black Sheet. Because I was an executive person, you had a native to just go round it off, round it off, Come on, come on, let me with that ve we gotta start humble, humbled. You know what that would do When I said in the beginning that there's a lineage and and there's there's a legacy and influence. I'm talking about Kanye, I'm talking about and there's probably I feel like Kendrick. I feel like there's so many people today that are influenced directly and

indirectly by what Native Tongues was doing. That that's that's that, and it's a positive impact on hip hop because it was like it was like the guys that you know that's not a suckers, but they wasn't promoting violence, and everyone else was kind of like what they wasn't suck as. You can tell they wasn't. That's what made him even braver. They was gonna be this way promote positivity, but they

wasn't suck as either. You know what it is really understand that the culture of hip hop resonate from the streets. We know that, so you're gonna have that element inside. Asked how the way you bring it to your table? But then there's some people to learn. How do we find it. It's like saying there's some people that's in the mob. Now you know the mob is all about, but they come about the suits that come to the table just about until forever. Notice, So that's what I'm

saying about. You know, some of the people in hip hop culture you ain't got always in the beginning. You know, if you know what you're about, what you represent, then you just let it be. Damn. I forgot the other question. I had a good one, but I remember it. But let me ask you this one in the words of my man Biggie, did you ever think hip hop we'll take it this far? Yes? Or no? No? More more? Yes? More? Yes. The reason why I said the norm because there have

been so much turbulence that happened along the way. Get into this journey, getting into this journey, and you always say to yourself quietly, you don't say that I allowed you say that. God, damny, we built all this up for this and we're going four apart, you know. But it's always see I'm find a way to submerge to the next factor. What it is. Um it took a vole for quote unquote them. How can I say the

commercial world to accept embrace the culture? And I'm saying the coach is not just the music, but a little bit of everything. But it had to start with the music. It's not we won the fucking world. Hey, where you go? Hip hop is everywhere? Yeah, but I imagine it wasn't like that back there. No no, no, no, no no, because mine remember but I was coming on. I was

coming on in eleven to two in the morning. But when they saw having ratings was that's when they moved Chucking Eye down to a more prime time nine to twelve, up against Magic at the same time. And then here it is, you're form a hip hop station Hot nineties seven. That's all day hip hop. So that's not coming across to the majority. Remember it used to be late night shows for hip hop. Wasn't supposed to be like care for that's what brand the station. I don't know nothing

about that in the beginning. Yeah, he was like the voice of the station and like seven when you first fall, I can't understand where you're coming from. Because the same thing they probably did with Dare CalCon and the same thing they did it kiss that firm Kisum Classic Odies, who was the voice for Kisser from at that time. Recipiece Barry White as a has after him Simpson. So you know you had that voice that show that where it represents. So that's why they why he probably used Chris.

He represented hip hop fresh like you know, it washed away, it didn't happen. That's that's the way it looked like to me. Jedi mind Trick, I was a fan, so se Besalge that said, my favorite DJ Premier promo that he made for the read Lercature. Damn they made a whole song just for a promo. Premiere. Yeah, huh yea, let's talk about that, um premiere. You know when I had my office at the time, but the Lord production

on twenty nine Street. Here it is a guy named Stuve find used to have Wild Pitch Records and Wild Pitch Records had the group called Game Store right long with your rob Ge and Main saw us a couple others. So um here it is that Premiere just took it upon himself because you know that everybody always making so many different promol songs for my show told about we we we We're gonna give the lecture his clarity. I got the idea of using him when he was a child.

I got that from the legend that we can spider Web that was on Video New York when he was on BLS. Here's to have his twin sons and his daughter do promo swam. So by the time when I got on the radio, I wanted to do something that appeal to the young audience. Wow. Yeah, yeah, it's a family affairs. You know. Blue Ivy is like she just wanted to grab me like so like you like the first Blue, I like, yeah, that's super dope. But you know I already had these ideas ways to portray and

be different and stand out. So that's what's part of the whole point back to what you're talking about. Premiere from Premiere and Gangster. You know Gangster I signed, So Pamier took it apart himself to make that promo for me. He said it was on Wild Pitch Records. Wild Picture. Uh huh was on Wild Picture that time. No, but live at the Barbecues Barbecue okay, okay, so that's where you first heard not right, uh huh. And you know, I'm gonna tell you something about Google Rest in Peace recipes.

I remember the first couple of times Google used to come up to me at the station and bring me something to listen to. I'd be like, nah, you wasn't feeling it, but I didn't feel it. Yeah I was. You know, that's my quote to tell you, fine, bring up to me when I heard I need I needed to let me take a guess at with records. No, I'm not gonna take a guess. I forgot. I don't have it all right, cool and themony let me hear it. That's the one. The word I'm manifest. Damn, I would

have been wrong. I'm glad I didn't guess that. You wouldn't have heard the record. You wouldn't have heard the record. Man, That's why questions you know what I think right know, over the years, that was mad at me because I know they put their rented and making music and such a search and bring you to me. But I've ever be honest. Yeah, you're helping. I've ever be honest and let you know if it's good or not. And some people think I was taking favorites. No, no, no, no,

I'm not judging the person. I'm judging. But the song sound like. But let me ask you something because Funk Flex I I've seen funk Flex stand on this seeing people come up to Flex offer him money and flex, Nope, I play a record if it's dope and that's it. Have you ever been offered money so many a times? Come the time? Know, I told him I piped myself. I think you gotta make some noise for that. I love. Put Mike down, Mike down right, Yeah, go ahead myself.

This is what I learned. Once you receive, you are being hunt yep. So I'm not gonna let nobody go and do that for me. I don't care how much you put it in. And they can call me stilly, stupid, what's wrong with you? But let me ask you. This is real talk. This is I see the guard. What is it like when a person come up to y'all to say, can you play this like I got, you know, two hundred or whatever? What is it? Your integrity feels like it's being taken away because I feel like I

feel that as a insult. I feel that in suck because you feel like this is beautiful debate. But I'm

taking I'm taking the bait. Okay, why I gotta take the bait mine and take what I believe in his crap, you know, disrespecting your credibility, you know, your credibility and shot oh, you ain't gonna play with d get paid for but not no, no, because I remember there was this DJ list that came out names his name, and I remember Flex being so proud not to be on this DJ list and and he kept expressing like, you know why people taking like and I don't remember what

it was, but your name was not on the list and flex name was not on this. This is a list of DJs who took spread. This was at the time. I didn't care about the list from everywhere else. I'm New York, so I'm just looking at the list and flexwer the lists up. I don't know if you'll remember. Flets got on him, was like what are you doing about the Listen about the list? It was I guess it was a label somebody got fired or whatever. And just was like, Yo, look we got we got proof

of us paying every certain people. And I want to ask that question, like why why, why is your integrity? And I'm almost positive Flex told me he got it from you, or he said that on the radio, like Brad, they never take no money. I ain't never taken no money. I'm almost positive I heard Flex say that and give you your problem for that. But more moost positive. I can't tell you I take you ninety percent. I remember

him saying that I'm from my older radio two. This is not like so we can google this and we'll we'll make that. But why was it that you never broke your morals? You never broke your integrity because you're disrespecting yourself. Number one, you should change yourself for some that's like saying, who this you as an artist, I'm

just making this as a compass. To do it, you wouldn't get paid just a certain amount of money, but you're not getting it because nobody want to give it to you until you get that one shot, and you get that one big Now you're looking for another number ain't gonna come here it is. I want my respect. I'm gonna keep my respect, So why should I take that one shot taken? And then before you know you got a reputation out of here, you put a cap on yourself. People know they can good boy you for

three because the boy get around. One thing I learned about in the industry, Well you know I just took care of red for this. I said, I saw them do that too many others. I'm not gonna be in there you know. And not only that, There's have been times even records I did play, or they may say chromequol I broke you know. Um, they wanted to congratulate me. I say, no, I don't want nothing. You want to pay me, how may you do? I've been released part. I'd rather get paid like that for my services, not

because of what I just played. Because as a DJ, you stop me if I'm wrong as a DJ, because you said this earlier. You said even it was my competition, if they had the hot ship. As a DJ, it was your job to supply to your audience, right, That's the whole point. One game got nothing to do with the other. Because I'm gonna tell you. I'm gonna tell

you what it was. And now that my memory keeps coming back, it was Young and May's second record, and Young and May second record, New York felt like Young and May, who should have been behind her first record work, what about second record is just sucking be behind it? And there was a track actually track of DJ's that wouldn't play it because they didn't get no paper. Remember that's what I'm trying to tell you. That my memory

brought it up. Yeah, that's my memory the summertime, Joiner, remember when the flex was going, I remember it was you were It was another recording that record, and I felt I felt like it was a stance that the DJs was taking. This isn't quiet. Yeah, you know what I'm saying. Damn, I'm so glad. Please y'all to be mad at me, But I ain't dropping the record anyway. Let me bring your up. This happened during the time and happened now, he said it. It could be a

collector of us all again the record the same time. Now, I don't really know individually who it was. And I got to word that. But you know what, niggas want to funk with this record, but they said they didn't want They got their hands out for it. Y I end up put my hands out for it. So now if I go ahead and I like this record and I played whoever was having their hand out, they're mad at me. You know why they feel that I an't blocking them because I ain't got anything to do with that.

You believe in something, you go, I ain't there because you you're going ahead and have more ammunition where you're out in the clubs, out in the radio, whatever it is. As you're working, I funk with that. Let me just make some let me just place the floor. But let me ask your questions. Do you feel there's a clear difference between industry and culture? Oh big time, because when

we're talking about is industry ship, that's industrhip. When you come out Payola were talking about he said the record is high personal and all that and what he believes to stand for the culture, for the culture. And then here it is. I'm gonna tell you it's a tap or the industry too. I'm gonna tell you why number one, I'm getting many record send weekly. I got to pick and choose sound right. If I don't pick and choose sound right now, I'll just play whatever my ratings go down.

If my ratings go down, I get replaced. But so what did I do? I got now down to see what is the right, what is good? And I always set people do this three records. A person who is already established your homeboy or something that you really believe in. Which one you gonna pick? They look at me, say which one you go pick? I say the one I

believe in it? They say't why they established first and already got his the homeboy should respect what you're doing, the one you believe in a credibility, but what you break absolutely he killed that and it makes sense, it makes it makes sense. Then if I find your makes sense, I wait for you to come back. As many of y'all know, Drink Chance wants to give flowers while people are here to receive them. Giving flowers and celebrating our

legends while they can still smell them. We have partnered with What the Flower to create this movement where everyone can give flowers to the legends in their lives. You can now order a custom flower box for to someone you want to show appreciation to by visiting www dot wt flower dot com and place your orders now. Fire. I love this, h oh Man, Holy movie Rock the movie. So what's your favorite area hip hop? I know actually

earlier eighties. I know you said eighties. Um, I said late eighties, late eighties, because late eighties before self destruct it was I say more eight Okay, Daddy can got the flat top out. It came with popping something pepper was popping. Base came out hard. Uh end up, they came out hard, too short came out hard. Um um who else I could damn boogie Downald Course Modi second album, Everything in the Rockim second album. Um of course Boogie

Down had that second album at the same time. A eight was a Pinnacle time and now only that that was the year that Yo MTV Rap came out. It came out Slick iced Tea. Yeah, y. So when you got when you got your MTV rap, you got two major tours. There was two major hip hop tours. What what was those? The one I was only called the Dope Jam Tour. That was Everybody Jam, Dope Jam Tour, Dope Jam Mistakes, Dope Jams. I was like, really that that was rock Kim, Douggie Fresh, Boogie Down, Putting Koo Moo,

d Ice Tea, and Western Peace Business Market. You know why because within that summer we did fifty three cities. They don't have tours like that number. The our tour was the tour that was I think it was run DMC in it. No, it was it was Jazzys your First Friends E p M D BEASTI Boys, e p M D Beast Boys. I'm trying to remember what. But they was major two. You know, different type of energy from both tours, but we was capturing the whole summer and your MTV rap came out. That was that was

a breakthrough. That was the breakthrough for everybody, come behind U. That was that's that's crazy. That's now the game changer. I saw twice after success, uh the generation I come from with Flashing them and Punky four plus one and a um Curtis blow and no so sorry for it. The next wave was run DMC Fat Boys, Whodini, Then DMC Fat Boys, deny um l came a little after right behind him, and then eight six here comes another change.

V kim m um, kim um. What I was just saying, boogie down production Salt and Pepper a year right year before A six heavy d come and play doug you first tried coming out because the show by Dougie first came out of eight five, you know, brought three more years and how many years that the show? But not then your forty um now here is after that hour coming into the late eighties. After that eighty eight, here comes the native tongue. Ever after that native tone Ever,

then you're going into early nineties. Was the grimmy Ever does affect the Lords of the Underground, you know, and several other casts that are similar to that you also have from people that had the skills and the styles, not fool nickings. We don't prove they're coming to they're coming soon too. Oh yeah, that's only nineties. They're not here to coming to ninety three, ninety four, ninety five. Yeah. Come. And also respect to the West coast, cause they was

holding down only nineties. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, they was holding down a head. It was holding down heavy. And because Snoop came out hard and early nineties, that deep cover changed again, you know, soldier, so it's a midship yeah, now coming into it within ninety the bad boy ever ever, you got people from down outcast, outcast, you got change. So we kept seeing how everything kept with revolving, and that was my job to make sure that I'm listening,

paying attention. What is it right for me to go in for sound real quick? I'm sorry? Yeah, because also that ninety five Nies six hours two people came out and your man had a different type of sound and were on his show. So we gotta give him something spect because there ain't nobody here, no ship like that. When they put on that chill him. Oh yeah, that's ninety seven, that's seven yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

school and we was outside. Yeah yeah, what I'm saying, please get no flowers because following was a game changing that Permi Premier I said. I heard he has a video of mad shows from back in the days and he won't give anyone any copies. Premier wants them. Is that true? Are you're sitting around with the golden arches of documentaries right now? He's making a documentary more news that he's loving. So that is a yes, you do have. I have a great selection. I got a great selection

of that, and even from the beginning stages. That's what I'm saying of all for thees, not not putting with my friend, not visual audio audio audio. So then that's how we take it to Netflix. Were just making a cat. We're making cartoons. Yeah, animazet this money right the photos for it? You make that animated cause you got the audio already. Yeah yeah, I don't have no vision. I was recording all the parties on the jams in the beginning.

That's priceless. Talking about we've been talking about you know, getting int Oh you gotta do that. I've been trying to expose him that I have been We've been talking about, you know, creating some content and putting some consent out. But we've got some people to connect you all with it if you need people. Yeah. Yeah, this is a legends legend, just like cas when we had cats here, allegend legends, cash cash, We're supposed to have Mellie, Mellie me,

he's gonna come back to He's gonna come to the show. Yeah. Yeah, but I just I just I just love this, these history lessons that you we need it. Yeah, appreciate that you have on this platform for people to come in here. Yeah, because know what's the crazy thing is it was like, you know, we love how do they seven? We love how one of five? We love? But what it is is it's for the newest, hottest people. But what's about the people who've been here? And we don't we deserve off?

You know what I'm saying, Like like like and that's when we made our platform and you know, help me I'll talk to I was like, man, basically you know, he based Rock the Bells off of what Drink Chance was starting and respectful where that's my man, Like you know what I mean? But we felt obligated, like you know what I'm saying, like, and it's easier to talk to It's easier to talk to legend, not to this the new generation. But you know, when you're coming up,

you're like, yo, man, so how was your day? They'd be like good, Like homeboy, I don't want to talk to you. Let's get the funk out of here, like like just just shot like like this is real grown up conversations. And the thing about it is, in every other genre, I've never heard the word washed up or over the hill. They don't say that in no genre, bro,

only than us, And I gotta change that narrative. We gotta change that narrative us, all of us collectively, because anywhere else, even when you take your food home and you eat it the next day, it's called season. It ain't call washed up. You understand what I'm saying. So we wanted to change that trajectory. And I think we all you know what I'm saying. This is one of those times, man, we were really, really, really really proud to have a legend like you right alert in front

of us and giving us the story. You ain't bullshitting us. It's not one time. Yeah, and we're gonna make so long, I got a couple more questions. We're gonna make some looking for you. I'm just gonna take an actual shot because I'm trying to get your sons drunk. I can't get you drunk, so I gotta, I gotta, I gotta technically poltically get you drunk. You know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, yeah, I can see I can see you ain't playing. Yeah,

absolutely absolutely. Before before we talked about the j enough in radio, right, what I wanted to act like if I was in high school? Right, I was in high school in two thousand one, Right, and in that time, Pop, you was on uh two times in the dead Old School Letting noon and five o'clock Free Rod. So when you was first talking about when this is something that I don't understood, that I didn't know you might have

to be you might you might have to be careful. Look, it's gonna when when you was going when you was going back and forth with Molly Mall and them, right, you said you was on eleven and two at first year A. Right, So how was the transition from being eleven to two at w BLS to being to go into two slots on hot ninety seven per day, Old School at noon and five o'clock free rode because to me, I don't know, I don't I've never heard of it a day where DJ goes on twice a day on

a daily kind of basis on like hip hop radio. Okay, Now, what I had a chance to do during the time that Kiss from first the first amount of time and Kiss FM was eleven jaiar straight and that was weekends. First it was just Saturday. Then I started having Friday and Saturday. When you were on late night from M nine to troll as they considered late night, I was being more edgy because I'm playing for a jungle audience. But at the same time, I had a chance to

build up my name. Your name means a lot when it come across the airwaves. So now they're looking upon the audience that you had. Can you bring them to another station more prime time? Prime time is five o'clock is the second highest cuma of the day. The first highest cuman is the morning, the second highest is the afternoon drive. So that's why they created because they didn't have it before. They created the five o'clock freeback and you started that. Yes, you don't have a different times

School doing the time. There was somebody else during the Old School at New yor Hot ninety seven um God named Glenn Fisher, but he was no more asked for like dance house music, so they weren't changed that because it was one day they had me do something. I forgot what day it was, and they heard the rovie to old School. I thank And that's when they had me in mind. Not before that. Remember, in the beginning of nineteen six in New York there was a big

bad bliss. Okay, I just came home with ninety six. I was probably jugging off too much information. I'm sorry now. It was as the Blue say bad that when the women's couldn't come to the station because she comes from Jersey. So they asked me, can you come down and do that shift? So I did a whole shift, just mixing old school, William. I was combined during old school and new stuff. I was combined for that four hours. Here

it is. They took care of me for that shift, and they say we want to appoint you to do the old School because we heard what you can do and we want to bring something to the table. So now here it is, I'm getting the audience that grew up with me from the Kiss at M and I'm appealing to the audience that are listening to me right now on the hot nineties seven, So I'm having both audience. There were some young people dash spent time listening to

the Old School. Now you know why, because that's really they got a lot of their samples as he studied a lot whatever. I gotta bring some perspective to what he's saying, because I don't think we're really getting it what he's saying. He was playing vinyl man. Man, He wasn't just going on the computer and looking at what's the newest ship and it's the Old School and this is my playlist. He had to know his ship and physically take the records out and pick those records. So

he was on top of his game. Please you know what it was like back then in the nineties. Fucking creates. Look at the way my back. Let me ask you, do you create the young homie used to carry my homie right there my records to the club. Do you like that? Creates is not not yeah, you like that crate? Vinyl? You still nobody likes Nobody likes the weight of vinyl.

But but there was a different culture to vinyl. Vinyl. Now, I used to be doing a live stream show, like maybe ten eleven years ago, when they used to have you stream last stream. I had a show and I was doing it from home in my basement. Now the records out of playing, I know the value of them. They're not leaving my house. They're gonna get scratch, crack or missing. They stay right there. So it's a messing. I got the computer, right, I can keep on my

value at home. Yeah, it was a blessing that he got the computer. For everybody's back this time. I was you you like and hit it that um person my coach to get into start using the computer with my cousin Jason because he used to be the spokesman for STOJ. Huh no, no, j cousin. So he got me inviold it and that's man. At the time, a lot of my peers are you're going down and know they were stilling. I said, listen here, you gotta adapt. Yeah, I don't

think he still got a survival. No, I got tractive. I just don't use it like that. Listen. He wanted he still want Vinyl. He want wanted listen, listen. He old school. He wanted the crates to come back. No, no, no, no, listen. I told you I don't want to carry crates. We've been trying to ask you to DJ for twelve years. One it's not the same. So I came out. That was an art for him to going through vinyl. It was. It was almost its own right. It's good you knew.

What do you mean days out? Your name is DJ. We haven't seen DJE twenty years. I don't need it. I don't we miss you, we miss you. I'll say, listen to him. You got a cell phone? Yeah, I got a cellphone. Why you have to pay booth? You adapt to the cell phone, adapt to the computer. M come like he was talking to you. I adapted some culture. We're here right now doing podcasting and this is my contributing, and I'm spending that. You asked it to the us own.

It's just I'm just giving a person a lot of range of wide of you that you can always have that but not have the jungle of us different things. That's absolutely it's just shape to say. Yeah, you y'all both gonna agree with this. It's just safe to say because y'all. DJ. Right, it's just safe to say that the digital game got a lot of trash out there.

Let's be clear, right, because you don't want nobody coming out to him and saying number it's a numbers games, the numbers game, because everybody has access, everybody could put out right. So because that numbers game, now you're sitting me with somebody who makes like two million dollars and he played three songs and there's a bunch of No, I'm not even worried about it. It's like the whole Yeah, so it's no shape that because they're gonna get their money.

But the only thing that that hurt like confusion d J game with the computers. You don't see the skill level no more. The skill level was at the door. Now everybody's gotta cutting scratch for none. How to play a song accommodating one to another, you know, even you're mixing, blending or timing, no, whatever it is. Instead it just but a great DJ will be even better with the technolog Like my boy DJ Craze, who's from Home Team right here, killer Like he takes the technology to the

next level right on vinyl. He's even sometimes I'll be having an ox cord. I'll be like, I think, but you're not a you're not a good DJ. Nor I'll be like like like I'm saying, but I'm not gett paying myself to y'all same s they do. I could do like the new DULs you do, like I can do that. That's what they do. Respect and I respect a lot of DJs out there, but I respect a DJ that none to work their computer and that the computer work you. Okay, let's let's let's run down a

list of DJs that you you enjoy watching. Oh Man, my number one favorite, Jazz Jeff, one of the best, fresh friend Jazz. Yeah, one of the best. Yeah, real DJ to say that, A lot of people we look at him like fluff. A lot of people like, oh yeah, he's been on the fresh prints, so they don't realize he gets busy. He's the DJ, I know. But you know what I'm trying to say. You know, that was like a commercial show all the time. So smithy guy, guy, listen, curse,

does you know what I mean? So people a lot of people don't know when you see DJ like red alert, Like I just asked him and that was his first DJ that he fired off. That's great, let's do that. I'm so how he robbed because the first time I got to see Jazz Jeff and DJ and Union Square and Fresh Princes and Jazz Jeff performed there for the first time, and that's what he came in and he was the skilled level he was doing, Like what that he's bad boy man? Was it Fresh Friends and Jazz Jeffer?

Was it? Since we're talking about the d J, that's DJ j Jeff in the Fresh Prince DJ j J. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. First, just the way I confused the names. Did Jazz see Jeff get his name from jazz j Jesus how? I didn't think so. I don't think so. Honestly, I don't think so, because you gotta remember something smokes the country. There was a lot of jazzys at that time. We don't know every single town that had a jazz And remember, let's not forget Jazz Joyce as he joins a legend

as well. Just he was a little a little fan of you. We've been little for a long time. Jazz Joyce get busy on that. Oh yeah, she's like, no, Jazz Joyce is the Elders also Coco Chanel, she died. Yeah, she's the name Joyce Anchs. So because you know we Latino over here too. You know what I'm saying, who's the first Latino you've seen doing hip hop? Invest in Peace? He DJ at the disco favorite named June Buck. He was the first laptein of the DJ. But let's people

get mad at me. They think I hate the Minica's just me they have before, but yeah, no, no, no, it's just that's what I said last. I'm Cuban. We have a rivalry. We let's separate each other with media. He was same time Caribbean too, Yeah, Caribbean. But you know, Cuba is the biggest Cribian. I'm just want to put that out there. Everybody biggest Jamaican. Jamaican. I'm from Antigua, Antiga, Okay, figure'all. You know how the same every I got rice and

beans and beans and rice. Yeah, planting and plantings. That's why you really know we're like everyone. The people like you go somewhere like, yeah, what's your national dish? Like for riga, Dot's not lose focus. Let's go back to the Latinos. Let's go so I know, I respect Charlie Chase ruby D. You know he was one of the members of ub D. You said Ruby ruby D one of the members of the Fantastic Five remembers you say, co question against past he was warning Fantastic Five. Um,

I did not know him. I always heard about him and then I met him later on. Who was Rick cast and Disco Rich yea, yeah, I never't know him the very beginning. Um, I'm thinking everybody, because I was up in the Bronx all the time. I was always up in the box. I know. Down Harlem we had Tito and from Feeling Sport and O C who was the DJ for him Feelings sport Um. Not to be confused C from Digging in the Crates picking him up to Big o Se. It was a d J O C,

not the one from Digging Crazy. You know. I'm trying to remember who else I can't recall, but now, but he used for us, I know, of course, you know Notating always been around and even the B Boys, there was a lot of people, huh crazy like before Rock Stay, the origin New B Boys do the names of Yeah there our timeline suck when he came here, you know, like fuck you your Timeline, Fuck you suck your hercle Field,

That's what I was saying to him. A guy named rest in Peace, Mike my Man, Charlie, rock my Man, Trixie. And there was a guy who was who is the Latino named Sassa. Sounds like people was winning the battiest, winning the bad countless graffiti artists as well a graffiti artists as well. Oh yeah, that's a graffiti artists. Is that the I think that really start before hip hop coaching? Absolutely? Yea yeah. And after we talked about with a little bit, I'm about to ask you that is the five elements

of hip hop? Does it doesn't really matter anymore? Hey man, I don't like the way that question was at. I don't know you don't, but let him answer to me and my Piers and the audience that came along with us. It matters to us a great deal, a great great that's fun, you know, or even made a shirt about it. You look at your shirt that that we gave you the five elements. Give me the bottle opening up someone with the circle. It ain't going d J B Boys MC. Yeah,

so you think it's supposed to say it's full? And then also be Box. Some people say no, father was yeah, and some people just say former Russian but that's a b Rocks. What do you think about fashion? Fashion big part in hip hop, big part of hip hop because you see used to the spikes. No, that was that new way punk rocks. You ain't fo this white. You ain't had the reason I'm asking because you're gonna pull up a picture you don't, We're gonna go. We're gonna

go look for it. We got something you want. No, no, no, no, no no. I had a rob a couple of years ago. I said, Lubaton with the spikes just for weirdos. I'm a hood widows and started wearing them. No, really, when you want to go with this man, I want Lott with tars. I didn't read the ones with the spikes, and there was so many people hit me like you can't dis spikes, and I was like, why at the bottom of the shoes, Yeah, I don't poke with those spikes.

So but but when I said that, I didn't on the record with Lars pro Bro my first record I ever recorded with Lars Bro, and so many fans was like, but you can't di spikes like you just a little Tar Spikes, but you can't say Spikes is for widows. And I was like, why they sent me so much original when I was just like had mentioned the the parallels with punk and hip hop in the early beginnings and why there was like they looked the same at

the time and there was in the same venues. It was a level situation at the time because culture counterculture. Yeah it is hip hop coming from up in the Bronx coming downtown, Punk rock and new waves, you know, was all emerging at the time, and we always got together at certain clubs. First was in the Grills, then Dance Interia, and it was like you got to learn some of their coaches, you got to learn some of our culture. The grill placed for the Grills that was

on the second avenue was Jamaican. Uh. I think more like yeah, yeah, continue from them to Danceteria. Actually, while we was cutting up records like once in a Lifetime by Talking Heads and Liquid Liquid and you know, we're playing stuff like um something about UM coming down the house and all that stuff, and they got the line our stuff. So we was none how to support each other. We all have to look at them where we like their music and they're like our music. That's what it was.

Because if you would have wore spikes and I would have found out you got the picture. Go you talk about that because I know how you know the error I grew up in the Oh you got de fitted jeans going back. Yeah, it's like they got me like that. Just the rivalry with the now now I know during the time, like the felish fire, the cold crushed the feather day was looking up to the people's like changing them at this right and like you know anything that

George Clinton, they following that. You know they was doing that every day. No, it was coking everywhere, not before that or Angel does Angel does everywhere? I mean don't know about everywhere a man now before that. Here it is the groups I just mentioned. They used to come dressing, looking at the temptations and doing steps and everything. So there was far too different way. They was both looks. All three of them who I just mentioned used to

come with the suits on. You should come doing steps, dancing and all that. Now here it is for us that re class of looking flyer the trump. At the time I was going to all the hip hop friends. We was ran in what they called Gabardine material pants with the over flaps. We had the turn next to the market. Next we had the um, the level fronts, we had the Italian Knicks. The shoes we wore was even playboys or British walkers, you know, if it was real flyer you are up pair of gams. You know. Um.

The coat we had was quarter Fields. That's what we were rocking at that time. I gotta make some noise of that. What's that for? So when does Dapper Dan

come into play? Ye, Dapper Dan came in I think about early eighties, but start to emerge more into the late eighties and you've got shirt Kings, you got shirt Kings, Short Kings goes out there and Ja Jamaica Yeah yeah, and then was doing their thing in the same Let me ask you, right, I love the everything you just said, but I want to ask you when we look at the old drug Dealer movies paid the falls, we look how much it seemed like if the DJ shot at

you out in the club, you was different. Yeah yeah, little payola for that too. Let's stand up, guys, not really not really need to understand. Shot my name. I shot my name out and they know you're taking that's why you're shotting the name out. So now how much would that take? And you can get big money for that? We got a segue here. How important what he's saying right now? So you are the beginnings at least one of the partiers of mixed tapes. No, I'm not willing

to be not in the beginning. Who I'll give respect to Brucy be absolutely Now how they that to me about mixtape? Because once I got on the radio, everybody you said, yo, let me get that mix from last night. I was already sententation from water jam. Remember you always asking about from every saying how is known for being recorded? All the parties mass up in the brunch. I'm down harm, I'm selling tapes. I'm making copies and selling tapes. You

went platinum. Let's just talk about it. This is audio only, right, Yeah, this is original mixtapes audio. You basically created the podcast. Well it's audio. You're fast forwarding right now, just like me to your what I made great money offer that coumo deep busy, be busy, be more. Now this is the legendary that is legend. I was there that day. Wait, so you're the one that put that out there. No, it was me and the DJ Vandy Rest in peace

because what happened. I was just leaving from up in the Bronx, and I mean I got off on the right around my way HR Sixting Street, come out harmon Worlds. Right there, I saw there was a big crowd and there was an MC convention, as it was an MC convention. I always know for carrying my tap and MC convention, what does that mean? Exactly? At that point MC convention where it was also a contest, the battle basically battle

and there was so many people that was battling. So now here it is, I'm walking with my tape deck. As I'm walking with my tape deck, I went to the to the section where the equipment and my man, I forgot his name. I said, yo, man, can I hook it up? He let me hook it up. So the house school mod have on the big glasses. Yeah no, no, no, he ain't a big glasses't have a big glasses. Can sell you the story into it. So let me look at my tape deck. Along with the tape deck that

was and I recorded that. I recorded that, but I was always duplicated that And then you really sat, but we're gonna talking about the what happens this battle it's Busy Be. So it really was MC Battle Contest convention, it was, but it was all about again. So Modi was the host for that, but he decided to come in at the last minute, signed up to go after Busy. We called Busy Be was known for winning or the contest and Busy Be from the Bronx, mold from halland

Wild Wild West. He made the record. It's documented, right they go at it. This is a moment that shifted hip hop. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, definitely talk. You said you're there. What did you see when you was there? Man? When I saw that, Modi got up there and he started seeing them lyrics and all I can do is having my mouth for mind, like, oh ship because its number one. You didn't expect for him

to be in the contest number two. You ship. He's saying, you never heard before you'd be like, what the So we're saying, mold one that Yeah, clearly you didn't listen to the change just because I'll be Let's go to the video chap, Let's go to the audio jape. Think about it. We'll play Let's go back to the table. We're going back to the tape and Monkey and Busy is good. They're good friends, good friends. You know. Business a legend. Yeah, business, that's my that's what my doing.

But they helped me history because you think more about them too. Beside the whole entire battle. You know who's Rustle was in that that contest. A lot of people don't know he from down in Atlanta. He's known for being on radio in Atlanta. Remember Frank Ski V one on three. Frank Ski, he was the morning guy for V one on three. He was he was up there because you have family in Harlem. And he go ahead

and got him there and wrapped. He was wrapping up the inst mental Mama used to say, Jesus, So imagine me go ahead making my hustle selling tapes. So by the time now when I get to doing radio, they don't want the party tapes. They say, yo, man, that joint what you did last night, You know, man, I want to copy of that. So what I used to do every time, because I was pre recording, I would always keep my master and make copies. So anybody heard something that night, the next day you got that tape.

Mm hmm. Business. But then you started recording, I mean putting out your mixes from the radio as mix tapes. Yes, UM tell you the mixtape not not well, I'm just saying this, Okay, let me just in the street in street level, I would say a brucy b start see you guys, huh in New York. I'm talking from a guy from Miami that tapes are trickling down to us. That's why they were looking at us, looking at me.

I don't know with Molly and Chuck, because people will recording us after radio just to stop you one second, just to give you your homage. And I'm appreciate getting to us is red alert tapes and kicking pre tapes in Miami, and then I become a mixtape DJ based on that that you're trying to me. I'm just honestly giving you what the blueprint. And then we learned about Brucey B and everybody through you guys, and we have to do our do and we have to dig in

the crates and figure out what's the history. Yeah, you guys are the first people coming to us. Yeah, because you don't mention these guys, they're getting missing absolutely, you know. And there was other people side brucy and and start out you have my man, DJ Hollywood, you have scheme. I mean, listens moments on so many of them, so many of them. That's still one of my favorite songs to this day. Who Dang, Who Dan? I don't want to go during the night with my honey. Gave me

something that young boy go to bed. I a lot that. When I heard that, I was like, what the fun is going on? I really know what it was. And I see like a pictured like the person who they said sunk it and he had the suit on, and I was like, I ain't never seen that. Like, I was like, what we dressed up? I was so hood at that time, fresh man he was at It was more for like the growning sexy in that element over there.

So that's we much more on the street, That's what that's that's what Cass said over Well, that's something again if you if you google that record when it came out, I had to be like eight or nine. Well I didn't know. People said that they considered that commercial and I was like, well, like what was commercial about that? And compared to what they were doing, compared to what they were doing, so um, I didn't know, so what I think that you could probably rather soon as did this.

But what was the difference? What did you want to did you care about being on the commercial side like or did you say you know it didn't matter. You just wanted to push hip hop forward? Like what what side do you you think? I'm gone to take advantage of the commercial side with the elements of where I come from on the hip hop. I wanted to go

ahead and bring that over here. Let people know that this is what we've been doing over here, and let me present it to you and I can go ahead and program right along with everything else that you are like not understand with you. You know, I'm gonna give you your R and B. I'm gonna give you a dance. I'm gonna give you some what we've been doing. Mix

it all to Jael and everybody get that variety. That's what that did got them and you've been credited with bringing reggae and dance all to the radio waves as well in the States. Respect on that um. But it influenced me once again, the dope jam to I just told you about when we was coming out. No, no, I'm the hype man to KOs one book production. Everybody knew I was the DJ, but that was the Nice. So every time we came out, we came to hold On.

You just said that way too fast. Again again, I said, everybody thought I would have been the DJ in place of Scott the Rock. I'm gonna add that, mate, dear, But it was d Nice that was the DJ while I was the hype man for KOs one one stage History, So you was splip star, that's fine, that's wine. While he was coming out. He was coming out to the

instrument version of Telephone Love by J. C. Longe. So when I saw the response every time we came out to that, and we always ended out with the album version of Stop the Valance that was on the album and that also got Caribbean influence, it gave me an idea when I got back to the station to started

playing some dance Harvekings. So the first ten fifteen minutes I played some dance hall because there were some people that have made dance havankas like Um special Ed on his choice album, UM drove yourself on the other's album No. So then extended and stand down. I started ring supercat type ship that's start getting the Beanie Man and Shabu Shot. You know, I mean this is no and you know

I made it one hour out of my show. And before you know that, you let me have an album out called prop Master Dance on Little Virus, Little Vicius is on. That was dope record. Man. That was like, that's a class, that's my guy. Yeah, can I as absolutely all right? So we didn't mention this, but I happened to know that you are in your forty fifth year of DJAN. Right, is that on radio or just djero?

That's all together. I started on radio eight three, but I started DJAN in seventy six, So so how long have you been on radio? Next month could be thirty eight years? Incredible, man. I don't do as many people of the forty five because I know some people get confused. All right, So I have I wanted to do this on this day I have it. Is it a true question? Right? I gotta go to the barroom. That's a part of the show. Is it Is it true that you're on the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame? What it is?

They have a display on me in the radio section of the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, including on Hags and it's an honor because I'm right along with some of the great DJ's from radio in the past, like Gyne, Alan Freed, Wolfman, check Um, Frankie Crocker. I mean so many people. So you know you in that category, dumb. It's an honor battle so you know, solidified in the history of our country as well. Right, that's what that is.

So I've got another institute, one more, one more, all right, So when I do my homework on you, when I do my homework, it's a time where you mentioned like Rob Base, we talked about the movie Juice, you know, from my like my age group. You know, we know Kalid and we know a bunch of DJs now that we see on the face value on TV and stuff. But when I look at those errors, even up to

like even ludicrous throw them bowls. You were like highly featured in a lot of hip hop videos, and at that time, I didn't really know if that was like common, you know what I mean. It's there was a point where I think I saw that. I heard I think he's the most the most featured cameo in a video video. Yeah, yeah, I saw that. I read that. I read and I thought about it. I was like, well, if I look at the videos that I've seen, then he showed that

he was showing finish your question? Sorry is this? Was there anybody else doing this? Was this a tactic? Like? What did you realize he was doing that? I did it for a reason. A long time ago, before the visual took off, there was a lot of people impostus try to impersonate who they are to make their money. You know, you get the fake this faith that. So when Spaking and I once again we dine in Kentucky and um just back like mid eighties r in Kentucky and this guy he's gonna brag you know that his

name dropping. Well, you know I met this person. I met that person. He mentioned my name. So he mentioned my name me sparking and look at each other, I mean saying nothing. The cup quiet. Right before we get go on the stage, Sparky tap him and say, oh, by the way, that's better. Look he looked at me. He was shocky ran out. I say, okay, so even that you dragging that you said you met everybody or there's somebody go around and say they meet. So when I saw that, I had the opportunity to do the

first video I forgot the first video every did. They asked me to be in it. Now, I said, okay, cool, I'll be in it. When I saw the response that had everybody noticed me, I said, you know what, I'm gonna capitalize all for them. Let me brand myself and promote myself so people know who I really be side somebody else scored fak and say who they are. So I took advantage of that. That's did I did. I say a suggestion, please y'all make a father in some podcasts.

So it's really interesting. We have we we originally we created uh representation of our dynamic called the Full Connection. Um it started. I wouldn't say we really took in, we really got down with it? What after lighting past we did? We was right around that time the hip pub. Sometimes I'll be drunk. I can't remember everything. It was like it was like you can't shot drink drink Champs not posted started and does you want the poomboo juice

boo poopoo. I'm sorry, poooo juice, Scott got juice poop poo juice. I'm just lexing, give me, give me a break, give me your side. It's got great I'm sorry, but the pool bo juice. It's like grand games say you don't say sorry. Yeah, because normally when people asking what's in the poopo juice, he used to say, if I tell you that, I gotta get you can kill him drink boo, he got me drunk. A nice seem like come here nor ship. Yeah, so you guys thought about

doing the podcast. So that's not necessarily a podcast, but we kind of just used it as a representation of our dynamic. I think this would be a great podcast him it is that my idea of bringing to them about the cool connection, because they should get confused here. It is. They come to him and say, yeah, I don't remember you should be on the wady You say no, that's not me. A lot they're come to him and say, yo, man,

I make your make you say that's not me. So I said, that's through the cool connection me as pops and everybody shows who they are as an individual. Didn't like that. I like that. I'm taking a shot to that's taking off. Although there you already poured off what the I thought you was hitting my boomp boom juice together boom boom. Wait, hold on before we drink the shot. Dude. I always wanted to know what the hell was in that bottlem episode. Isn't that bottle that? I don't think? No,

I don't. That's about It's not. I don't get any kind of like taking ball Manny get talking to talk. A bone that snaps, it's just the Manican tiger bone that that is not that. You can do good and you can get drunk Dominican. You spin it on, maybe come a zone Dominican. Dominican is not donicanger bone. This is Dominican bo. You're already drunk. The shap you're gonna pass. I thought I thought you check you up. Dominican bone.

It's not the same thing. Dominican Dominican. It's Dominican tiger bone. It's not yeah it is. It's yeah. I don't that you get away with this. Yeah, you want real tyger bone. No, I don't want that. Exactly what is until it's herbs and trees fermented till it. It's gonna take you to another planet. Should that's gonna make you work out right after?

The is the puss to make you get a baby that I'm this is the not the This is the pom pom Juice, So Red, yes, is there anything you felt like you didn't complete in hip hop right now? Anything that you regret like or regret or just feel like you know anything or fixed. I don't know anything. I will admit that had opportunities to take it to

different levels. In the business structure. I was not that much business savvy, which I had my reasons, But if I would have took that course, everything would be in a different matter. What hold me back? Because once again, you guys asked earlier the culture in the business, the corporate You know, when I got to find the other side, whether to take place in the business a culture, they

had a sad, sad feeling. I had a bitter taste in my mouth because I knew where I come from and I have to do this to number one, sell my soul. Yeah, give up or whether the case may be, or the same note, just to get what I want to get. Then you know what that's ma, Who's say I'm might as gonna take the money go play a record. So that's why I never took that standard because I know I have that let production. But when I started seeing the other side that I never knew of and

I'm like, no, that's not me. I mean, you know, everybody always wanted to tell you what you should do, but they never asked you what is it that you want to do. I didn't want to do that, So that's why I mean tame like where I'm at, and that's where I kept going forth for this life, for time consistency. So that's that's the only thing I regret, and I don't really regret. But if I had to go through that and just be smooth selling, I would

have been all the way. That's it. It's just shafe to say what you know now to compared to what you knew back then, would you have done it all again? I would have done it differently, So that's what that's that's part of the regret, A small regret because I could have knowne how to you know, observed a little better? Right? You know what you know now? I would have been able to do it back then, you know. Can I add on to a question on what you're talking about

that I like this? So I'm telling you this is the podcast reading the book I was reading the part of it might have been Russell Simmons book. I was being a couple of pages by the way clapping. Um. I I read Decoded and I read Russell Simmons book, and I think you mentioned in like the first five tempa so so really quick, I wanted to fiss, I want, I want to actually and maybe because you said this,

I never actually if you realized this at this time? Right, it was kind of I read like you and Russell Simmons were like the only like hip hop management to hip hop management labels at a time, Like you know what I mean? So when i'm and when you say there's certain things about the things you would have been done different, did you realize that's what that was at the time that you was like creating that entrepreneurial self,

you know what I mean? You start your own label, like right now, that's the thing, right, we love Nick, We love all these people because they do their own thing. But we talked about native tones, we talked about artists you usher, then we tell about were you actually were when Chris actually started it. Only that you um made up the word or made up the even the slogan where you're a part of the actual management, Like well you're a part of that. That's I think that's what

you're trying. Did you realize that kind of being being part of the blueprint. I have realized it afterwards. And when I realized it afterwards, that's what I said, Damn, I should have been a different vout a better about that. That's what it is. And then here's another thing. Chris was taken from me on the load. He was taken from you because when I had for him in regular production and they saw I was up and coming, they in his air for him to grow with them with

Russian management. Huh were Russian management? Yes? I had to be rush management because that's what birth violator. And then so now I gotta actually straight up like when you see Rollater was formed. I was happy to that, and I let gonna tell you how that became. Because first they came to me about there was a record company Relativity. Steve No no, no, no, that's no no no no, yeah, yeah, but no Stevens there. Brie was there at Relativity. Um um, damn, mom.

I was gonna say Alan Gromlock, but I forget, I forget who it is. I had to beat with them. Chris my representative. So they offered me to try to form a label deal. The only problem I couldn't do it because it's been a conflict of interest. I couldn't have a label deal and be on race Yo. That's a confident interest. So passed onto Chris. And that's where you see Fat Joe, che L beat Nuts. They came out under relativity and talk yeah, but me around all

around that progama of time. Chris is also real an association with Russ so he you know what, he can offer that relativity to go ahead to form violators because remember his own brolla was Baby Sounds that was under the umbrolla was violate the management, violate the records, and a couple other different avenues, and that's what he formed. But he got his idea by being environd with relativity. But here it is they saw a jewel that was under me and they matched. Wow when you say they

who we just mentioned? Yeah, that was one more the last one. And I always asked about this because you know, I lived in stuff like that. It's a lot of times. You tell me that Jungle Brothers cuted. You know, various other Native Tongue artists used to record in the career, right, tell me about the end House studio that they used to like, what was that environment like I was, I wasn't around, you know what I mean? So what was

that like? And in the crib once you get arresting peace of my mother because my mother is like I always said, my way is the head of the whole entire thing, right, you know, I ain't gonna lie. And and they both can take more. He can tell you. Member was kangster, That little five foot and a half woman was something else, but she alive. Everybody to come through the crib and members of Jungle, members of Daylight, members of the tribe creeen l tie for Ultra, you

know what I mean. The list is knowing everybody comes to the crib, amber's too late, should tell him you ain't going the way there on that couch. That's what it was like the electric So yeah, it was like that and it was always spending time. Then I was on the road that that year for the Dope Jam tour. They took over mother just like here. It is the

same thing. Sammy was the DJ filling for me on Kiss From But when I learned there was different members of the natives, Mber was playing too turned over everybody. It was like go That's how they was moving. So that's what it was. Stuff. Man, I can't do nothing else but clapp all right. I just want you to know our show was about doing what we just did.

Right there, we looked at everybody else and everything else going on, and my partner right here to the right of me kept telling me, man, let's do a podcast. Let's do a podcast, and we wanted to. When we came together, we said we want to do it different. We want to get people they roses, people that you don't deserve it like you know, not not no, no disrespect to the new people, because that's not what we're saying. We're not saying we don't mess with the new people.

What we're saying is our legends deserved to be respected. Our legends deserve they don't deserve you know, yellow roses, they don't deserve white roses, and don't deserve ring ros letters, gold rolls, legends. You know what I'm saying, people who deserve You know that that that that that twenty years that ten years span, that fifteen years span, and um,

we want to say it to your face. You know what I'm saying, Like so many people, something happened to somebody and me and my partner realize that, like people always give people the roses and they dead like let's let's let's let's let's can repeat doing it. And we've been luckily. I think we're approaching six years now, we're approaching six March. Six years we're doing that, and we ain't bite wing fold. We ain't do We were stuck to our legends and rather alert. Let me just tell

you something. You are super duper legends, the allegend of legends, the coolest legends. And this is listen man, when because we gonna hit you out with the play see y'all gonna form a podcast we're doing y'are signed to drink, Yeah yeah, but when they come time liten, this is your platform, Our show is your show. You've always ever since I've seen you, Rad, I've never I can't remember any time I ever seen Rad Alert, and I was was displeasure. I've always it's always been great. And you

always got me drunk too. You probably like, yeah, you always like he still got you drunk and realized that. But you always was a great soul. Every time I've seen you, you've been a blessing. You've been a legend, you've been a teacher, um, and we were so happy to give you your roses. We're so happy to tell you how much you mean to us, hip hop, the culture, everything man. Like. You know, we've always you know, talking

this hip hop union ship. And you know that's when I think of hip hop union, I think of you know, people on the forefront of it. It's just like, yo, we should have you at the forefront. I'm just saying what the funk should should happen, because you know what it is. Even when I tried to get you to say something wrong about something, you didn't do it tonight. I tried to. I tried to. No, I wasn't gonna do that. He told me, not drinking. I can't do that.

I can't. No, I can't do that unless he was he Sometimes you get you, Okay, I want to be mad, but you know our honestly, honestly aside, you really deserve your flowers. You really a legend. Everything you accomplishment, um, Like, I mean, forget me as a rapper, I'm talking about me as a fan. I remember just so and just running too a radio and just you know, sitting there

and watching the older brothers. You know, smoke weed when I was like, let's just think and they were right, Hey, can I give a shout out to this lady that's in here with us? She's over there on the side, she having short on and shortest Union Square. We were there, you know, we was you there? Where are you there? That's also part of the prop Master retro should that you have if I can go on prop Master metro, So that gonna be the documentary? Huh? Is that going

to be the documentary? Not for nothing? She also should be a part of the documentary. That's tell us the bottom of it that you do know who that is? Tell us this lady right here is the person that showed me when I first started Union Square and then evolved later on as management of the Shadow nightclub. That's where the gods were being shadow up earlier. Shadow. Yes, that's as well. Add the Shadow book wide that we

do every year. Anything about it. When you see good people that you have history with, beautiful, Now that lawyer t you go with that lawyer because you know there's a real out of respect with that lawyer. That's beautiful. That's what it is. So is there anything that we ain't covered that we should have covered anybody. Do you want to couple anything? Um, this pub can probably tell you some things that we're haven't store. I don't know what you want to say. This is what you're the one.

I've been doing the old school reunion, like I said, I was doing with Molly and and we still continue. We just had a nice little celebration for for my forty five years last month, you know, and we're still doing it. We're gonna go as as far as we can, the old school re union. We've been doing it for like twelve thirteen years strong Rest of Peace. DJ Lance, one of our DJs passed away from covid um, but with Molly mall Um rather alert. We had we had

Claude Camper, we had Uncle Ralph Nobuck star Ski. Yeah you know, so we had a list of good DJ's, talented DJ's. Yeah, yeah, yeah, world, I ain't know that. And you know my reason for celebra of forty five years because I look at this, like he just mentioned by my man, DJ Lands, he was like the top DJ in Brooklyn in the past that he was known him as Master d then he changed the name DJ Lands.

He held Brooklyn down single handed for years. Him and I rebuild a great relation and we found out we had something in common that we've started the same year. He started in May, I started in August. Unfortunately he's not here to celebrate that. So my reason was sufferings forty five years because I'm dedicating this forty five to all the DJs I know throughout the time that we

no longer have here. I mean not just riffering up in New York, and I mean across the country, people I know from overseas, everybody that passed away that brought them to the table. I've dedicate my forty five to dump. But I gotta ask this question because I'm never gonna know what was the Boopies like in the eighties, the group. He's like, you know the girls? The girls? Yeah, was you a finger Papara? He's gonna cut it up before math. I'm so sorry. Before many when you was out there loose,

we all was loose. Come on, I think that's where his intro came. I can only put it rung weight. You're gonna keep it clean. I'd like to thank everybody for the black body I fling. Oh my god, thanks for joining us for another episode of Drink Champs hosted by Yours Truly, d j e f N and n O r E. Please make sure to follow us on

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