Episode 296 w/ Shyne

see me? This is your boy and what up is d J e f N? And this is Drink Champs. Right now we got velvet covers villain, so we're developing rock. We try to throw me off like I wasn't gonna keep that first off. Let me just say something, man sis to the left of us right now. Not only was a person that came up, was honorable in the streets, held it down, came and I believe this is the first time we heard bad Boy gave a million dollar deal and then I heard it was another million on

publishing this dude, I can't lie to you. I was there, I saw it He had one of the biggest buzzes in New York City, and I would be wrong if I say New York City, because he had one of the biggest buzzes in the industry. People were looking for a savior after Biggie Smalls, and this was the guy people came into, invested into. He got into one of the craziest incidents in New York City's history. He held it down, held it down like a man, came home, did it, didn't what he had to do, came home.

Uh became a part of the government of Police, changed his whole life around and every aspect of everything he did. He was frail with it and he's still being real with it now. In case you don't know what we're talking about, we talked about shine. Motherfucker. No pos We just want motherfucker. You know what. I'll start with that. I'll start with that that woman introduction umps. But let me ask you about that. You know, we're all from New York. We all got the story that recently uh

al Pole passed away, right, had his demise? Uh, what did what did you feel about that? Because you know you didn't name yourself after him at one point, you know, that that's a very um ironic situation because obviously I was faced with the same um circumstances that he was faced with, and I actually anticipated my circumstances. If you listen to the life on my first album, I got well, I said, you know, um, you know I'll be out in ten start over again. Um. But I couldn't do it.

You wouldn't understand if you ain't been through it, the rules to it. Couldn't break them death before the sign until I meet Satan um. So the way I got that name was a mixture of Edgar Allan Poe the Pope and out Poe because I was dating a female that was dating him, you know, popular female. She was an executive in the industry. Um. And so she called me that name because you know, when I was young, when I was eighteen years old, I was um, you know,

I had a lot of energy. It's really aggressive. I had that Brooklyn aggression. So it's stranging. He's a halemn guy, you know, but I was flashy. I think that's that beliezing to me. Us beliezings. There's a word that you call. You call it breaking. You know, we we really confident and so I had that energy. Um. You know I had the six hunted, I had the you know, the double R. You had the double Lass as well, um, And you know, it was just a lot with me. It was a lot of flash, a lot of excitement.

And she said, you know, I remind her of him. But thankfully, UM, I was not like him, you know, because I stuck to my honors and I stuck to my integrity. And you know, you're not a man or you're not a person of integrity until your face with a decision that you have to make where your life is on the line, when your freedom is on the line,

that's when you know who you are. And I always, you know, pride of myself and having the utmost integrity, utmost character, and everything that I ever wrapped about a song about was was my gospel. It was the honest truth. And you know, I thank God that I didn't fail myself and I didn't fail my community in Brooklyn and beliees. You know, when the time came for me to decide whether or not I was gonna have integrity or honor,

let's make some noise of that us. So we're gonna go through your musical history first, right, all right, before before I even get into this, how did you start rapping? What was it? You know? Um, usually I take the train and I walk. I'm thankful because you told me. For a lot of there was like you know, I didn't even leave believe yet, so I could have got a hotel right a head and then go to four A lot of that because I'm here in Florida for the Florida Trade Culture Expo. Because you know, I'm a

government official. I'm the Shadow Minister of Foreign the Fairs, Diaspora, FIRS, Culture, Youth and Sports. Um, so that's why I'm hit. And you know, I know we spoke the last time. I promised you the next time world yea, yeah. So so the way I started rapping, and I said all that to say, I was driving and so you know I'm listening to Barrington Leavy. That's my first question, that one. You know, Um, but even Barrington before Butchers Barrington is

like an institution. So so that's how I started rapping the same way Cool Hurt hip hop. Cool Hurt created hip hop. Yes, he's a Jamaican DJ that came to the Bronze and started spinning record So that's why I started rapping. You know, my name used to be Shaba Wow. That that's what he used to call me from Granny Kid the Grammy kids, and so that was my idol, you know. Um and I had the same baritone, same

heavy voice. So I I used to actually chat you know, I wanted to following the steps of Shoa and yeah, bounty killer Beanie. Those were the guy that was with a guy right, you know what I mean in in in the community that that I was raised. You know, they call it little Haiti now um. You know, but that whole Flatbush Church Avenue, you know, all the way up and down is you know, uh filled with people from the Caribbean. So initially I wanted to be you know,

I wanted to chat um. And then I transitioned. I transitioned into rat you know, but I wasn't. You know. Music saved my life, Bob Marley, you know I used to you know, I got shot when I was young. I was in the streets defending myself. Um. Very violent community is most inner city communities for African Americans and Latinos, and and you know, minorities grow up very violent, very predatory, very killer, be killed and so you know My mom was a single mother, laborer, you know, very stressed out

her only boy. So when I got shot, I said, listen, you know, Mom, I promise I'm stay alive for you. You know, I won't get myself killed. I won't kill anyone. I'm gonna turn my life around. And so I started staying in the house and just listening to music, and Bob Marley used to calm me down, you know when you listen to Bob Marley, and I used to say, man, you know, this is the type of impact I want to have on the world. Wasn't a particular record or

all Bama, all every thing. Johnny was a good man everything right, um and and you know, so my passion for music was always there, but I transitioned, like you know, I used to listen to guys like Terri Fabulous, you know, um all the great guy, super Cat, Um, you know Heavy D. You know he was the first to really watch that. But Heavy D mix that what you're making. So it was an easy transition for me. You know, I thought was cast on yeah the bridges over he

was because he so um. But but you know I was really just in in a in a survival mode of trying to divorce myself from the jungle because I was a lion, you know, and and and you know, I would eat a lion, I would eat a gazelle. I would do whatever I had to do to survive, and I would try to divorce myself from that um. And that's how music, you know, saved my life because and I was just listening to all music you know, only built for Cuban links. You know, that's one of

the records that changed my life. You know, it was written on you know, records like that because you know what what Ray Kwon and ghost Face was saying, it's the same thing Bob Molly was saying, you know, it's it's social conscious music. Just in their dialect from Staton. Allen Nas was saying the same thing just in his

dialect from Queens. You know, Nas and Ray and Ghosts they were thinkers, critical thinkers, and they were giving you the landscape of you know, uh, inner city living, Priega too before you were and all yeah, yeah, yeah, so so you know, so those are some some of the records that had an influence on my transition from you know, wanting to chat to getting into hip hop because you know, Bob Marley inspired me to want to impact the world,

and I was a leader in my community. I was the guy on the block saying, listen, you know, don't kill him. Come on, you know, why are you treating him different than you treat me. I was always the justice guy. You know why you're picking on the small guy? Pick on me? All right, you don't want to pick on me, Okay, leave him alone. I was the guy that, you know, anybody trying to come and terrorize our block,

I'd hold down the fort. But at the same time, that's how I got the name Shane, because I'd be on the block saying, listen, is this all we're gonna do? I'm like Laurence Fishburn from Boys, and is this what we're gonna through? We're just gonna you know, kill each other and kill ourselves and be statistics. You know, let's figure it out. You know, all of the North you know, created free rade Roles, created all these guys, you know, all the be agents of destruction for our own community,

like all the stuff. Now as we're saying it's high, I thought, you know, I was a reader, critical thinker, and you know, like I said, I listened a lot about Molly, and he was a critical thinker and he had a message. And so you know, I was there killer be killed. I was there destroying, you know, being destructive, and I had enough and I was like, man, this can't be life. And that's when you start. Well, you know, I was immersed in music, but I made the transition.

I was always a poet, you know. But again, I wasn't a rapper, like, I wasn't out there battling. I wasn't going to ciphers because I was busy trying to survive. I was busy making sure that I stayed alive and trying to you know, divorce myself from that way of life. Yeah, so how does this buzz start? Right? Because so so I I got shot, you know, I got low because you know, after you get shot, certain things happen and then you gotta get low. And I graduated high school

as I promised my mom. And you know, when I graduated high school, I got a bike, eighteen speed bike for my cousin ron do to go deliver messages because I promised my mom, no like messages, passages um. And that's how I really that was the first text message. That's how I got into back like fully because I

believe in a divine architect, intelligent designer. And the sacrifice that I made to not sell cocaine, to not sell crap, to divorce myself from the streets, and to just focus myself on, you know, a path that will see my mother have peace and security. UM really allowed for me to just I just started coming up with rhymes. I

would like rhymes like on another level. I would deliver packages to sew need to death chain two you know UM for vending Universal and then I would you know, riding my bike, excuse me over the Brooklyn Bridge, and by the time I got to the bottom of the Brooklyn Bridge, I would just come up with rhymes. But I was always a practical guy, never want to lie to himself, never wanted to you know, fool himself. You know, I always said, you know, I want my music to

feel the way by Molly makes me feel. And I was always able to identify who was great. I wanted my music to feel to me the way Ray and Ghosts and nas you know, and and and and Jay, reasonable that I can't forget, reasonable, doubt, beg ready to die, chronic felt to me. And that's how I started feeling about my music. I felt that, you know, I felt that power, I felt that electricity, that frequency. So I

started chasing that down all the street teams. When I'll be delivering my my packages, I started running everybody down. I started, you know, when I would go to Sony, I try to make my way back to the mail room. I go to Loud, I try to get to the mar room. And I was so convinced that what I had was powerful and I was gonna change the world. Um. One day I was getting my hair cut and I always tell the story that you know, barbershops are the

place of truth. You know, um, wherever you are in your life, you want to know the truth, asked your barber, and that's the barber shop. They will uh pull no punchers and have no restraints. UM. So I always right for my barber. And you know, this Friday, a gentleman was, you know, leaving the barbershop, and I just you know, ran down on him. And so listen, man, you're in

the music industry. This guy's name is Austin and uh he said yeah, and I hit him with a sixteen clip and he was like, you know, hold on, wait, right, here. You know, don't go anywhere you don't. He didn't know what to do with himself. He called Don Pool, okay from Inklint Chop House. You know, been around for ever since br G, since Foxy Brown. And you know I

performed in front of Don Pool. Uh Imani Helly, you know Imani Helly Productions, movie Guard, you know future Nicki Minaj and I was it everybody that heard me, uh crazy. So this was a few months after graduating from high school, getting an eighteen speed bike to go deliver packages. The girls looking at me nasty at the front desks because I'd be wing there, you know, wet and you know,

no raincoat, no nothing. Because I remember, like they said, this is this guy I can't forget Clark Kent, Okay, Clark Kent, Carl Kennis Brooklyn Okay, but I remember they saying this guy, shine, it's the next biggie, It's the next thing that's happening. But dude, was it a Phrae style that started the buzz or was it just like I'm saying you where it started it started it? Because it started right there. I'll take you through it, you know. So once I got with Don poo and Manny. You know,

we just started going everywhere, moving around. You know, I rapped for jay Z you know, um yeah, you know, because you know Don Pool was it don Pool get money, so you know he's everywhere. Um, you know Manny Mann he was getting money too. Um. So we beat there, you know, I beat it in my iceberg fits, you know, you know. And so I remember we were at the Metronome one Street Broadway and uh, you know, I ran down on on Hove and I was like, know, you know,

you got your ratchet on him. You know that's what we called, you know, those who are not informed. Um, I'm telling you I'm the greatest thing you ever go ahead, and if I'm not, you know, you could shoot me in my foot. Oh my god. I was confidence right there, so listen. So so so then I ran back. I ran back. I ran back on him. And when he was at State Street, and I never forget that day,

he came outside, um jumped in his robe. I told him the story the other day when I saw him at forty and um, that's what we were laughing about. If you look at those fishes, and he was like, yes, side, oh when you gave me your music after after that whole thing, give him the tape. Then I ran back on him to get the verdict. So you know, yeah, yeah, yes, I was all right, I'm gonna see you on top. Try to sign me twice after that, three times after that.

You know, um, but we really changed things. Is God bless the dead Chris Lighty. That's what transformed on everything coach and you can check to see if I'm specialists outside for me. Um, yeah, I got my guarded. Um, so tris Slighty because so so this is August, I meet Don Proo, Manny, we're moving around. Um, I think I even wrapped on the phone for Puff because I met Mark Pitts to what this is? Um, same time

when you up trust me? So so so marm Pitts put me on the phone with um with Puff and Puffer is like, you know, how'd you go from Don, Peter Mark Pitts because they're all in the state. Okay, you know, don't pull used to manage big. You know, we used to help Mark Pitts were big, and you know he had Foxy Brown in all one circle from the Howard days. And Puffer is like, you know, yeah, you could rap, but he makes as can you make hit records? I gotta teach you how to make some

hit records. And you know, he fell back. He wasn't like, come to the office. I gotta sign him right, so you know, kept going. I was like, all right, Chris Lady, chrisl he called me to the Barrack Street des GM office, violator. Can I just you know, I got a believe in way now then, and I'm very m just been drinking this Milisian beer. We gotta you can't drink bout so yeah, yeah, for you, you gotta let's course. Okay, let's go. Let's go. But because I want you to finish your story, because

then I want to. I want to, Yes, I want to explain to you. Yeah, in case you didn't know how hot you were, like I want you to Finnish and I I don't want to. Yeah. So so Chris l like resting Priest christ Forge ahead, Yeah, this is this is very interesting, Belican stoup best being believed best in the world. So you know, I went to Chris Lady's office, and you know, Chris Ldy was like, you know, um, you know, I just got Snoop kid, you know, Swiss

his name is Swiss? Okay, um, yeah, you know, he just gave me his beat tap, you know, pop it in. You know, I'm want to hear what you know everybody talking about. Uh. And he popped that tape in and I went eight. But he was like, you know the same thing like Don Proofs and the kid. Austin said, you know, all right, hold on, let's go to your office. Gonna sign you right now. You're not leaving Jam until sign you. So I went to Leo's office and you know,

told me, listen, give him the business. So I gave Lee all the business or if god, he was sitting right there, you're just robbing. There's nothing on tape. Well, I did the rohmmed over the beats for Chris, which made him go crazy. He took the arm the same tape, the Swiss beats tape, took it in Leo's office. Rohmmed over those beats, and Leo was like, you know, I

have to sign you now. But when you're saying, you're saying naturally, you're saying they're playing the beach and I think Bobby Smurder, I think him and Bob and and and that was really what what said. Everything on right, you know, because you know, like Lyon was serious, Leon and Chris they wanted to sign me right there, right um, and I think they might have even sent the paperwork and then Puff flew me out to Beverly Hills, you know,

like maybe a few weeks later. Okay, So let me stop it right there, let me stop Yeah, So let's let's drink this, say about because I was gonna be focused on a second because I was there, like not there physically, but I was the person that was hearing you know this this new dude after Sorry, that was yes,

that was seven when all of this was happening. So Chris Ldy, Dawn pro Mark Pitch, that was seven because when I when I met you, right when I met you, even before I met you, there was this big buzzing industry like it was like everyone has to sign this guy shine. But so I'm Chris Ldy, God bless his soul.

In my humble opinion, it is the one that really, you know, set it on right because I remember I rap for Puff, I rap for Hove, you know, um, Mark Pitts, Don Pool My, you know, Manny, they were part of the team, you know, and and you know, I think I might even wrapped for you know, but once I wrapped for Chris Lighty and he went crazy and they was ready to cut the check. And you know, because contracts, that's when everybody he was on because there was a batting war for you. Yes, but I'm just

telling you. He I remember clearly we were at a point, you know, like I said, I rap for Puff, you know, um, you know, rap for Mark Pitts, wrap for for hose, and you know we were we were coming along. But you know, I didn't get the I didn't get the I didn't get the deal, and you know, so I was I might have been a little frustrated, like you know,

what's going on right? All right? And by God's grace, this was like November November and the November maybe beginning of December, I went to rap for Chris and everything changed. Like weeks later. I was in Los Angeles because Chris. I think they were ready, like New York was ready. And I think when they when they're getting ready to do deals, they called each other and talk crazy. Yeah, like yeah, I think you think you're doing it right? Right? Yeah?

Do you know? I just take your head exactly? And then Puff is like, hold up, that's the kid that I don't know if this is outside of looking at one of the llist buzzes I've ever seen, not in just New York City, And at this time, New York City ran the world anyway, So if it was just New York, didn't, by god be it. But this was throughout the whole industry. They was like this, dude, shine. And then I'm hearing Loud Records had a deal for you.

I'm hearing that Jam had That was after Chris. Oh, you know, God, let's sport of I'm trying to ask you this. There was, there was, there was already does everybody want to sign you again? You know? So there was the buzz, but you know there was the buzz that started with Mark Pitts excuse me, don Pool. You know those are those are influences, you know, trend setters, um you know, and this this conversations happening, you know,

ran down on Hove. You know, I spit for Puff, I spit for d do you know I can't forget him called spit for clauk Kent. So there's there's a conversation happening, right But you know everybody's doing what they're doing. And so it's like, you know, but your name is rings no rush, but but but it's ringing when nobody put the deal on the table until I went to see Chris. And when I went to see Chris and leyall and like I said, I think maybe they picked up the phone and was like, oh, yeah, yeah, we

got the answer. Yeah, let me actually eat. Did you know about how Big is boss? Because that's what ye just because he was in Miami, you like, I keep you not like I've never to this day, like seeing how much like and you was probably just entering the games. You probably didn't really understand I was. I couldn't go to no meeting and meet with no executive. What what I'm saying? You heard, you know, I think and asking me about it, and I'm like, what is this guy?

You know? I remember I always wanted to know how you started. I had almost lost my life. Yeah, I told you I got shot. That's when I try to divorce myself from that way of life in the name of my mom. You know, a single mother, you know, she's battling depression because you know she's gonna lose her only son to the streets. And I think that was a blessing, you know, that was that was God's way of you know, patting me on the back and tell

me keep going. And obviously, as you can see now, I always had a bigger purpose because right now, you know, um, everything that I wanted to do as far as Bob Marley, I'm doing that in my own way from beliefs because I'm I'm leading the world from Belize. Uh. You know, the way I treat my people, the way I try to uplift my people, the way I advocate for all people, for equality, for you know, education, for entrepreneurship, for women's rights,

for healthcare, for housing, for land. Um. I used to rap about the establishment and the powers that be, and now I'm the the strongest voice in the House of Representatives in Belize. And remember I have a global following, so I might not. You know, people always ask me how do I come up with my speeches, and I'm like, there's no different than how it came up with my raps, because my raps were not driven by a desire to be famous. My raps was just a conversation. I was

just having a conversation. And I learned to do that from Bob Marley from Ray and Ghosts from Naas from Jay. You know, those were the real conversationalist big they were having a conversation. They were talking to you, you know, Dre and Snoop tupop conversations. You know, Wu Tang conversation. So let me ask you, right, because when you first came out, it was no secret they was comparing you the big Now what's that because of your voice tone?

Or what's that? What they're trying to make you feel? The big shoes? No, no, no, I think you know, I have a barre toone, but you know it's it's been twenty three years and I still have the same bartone. And I think whenever a new artist, you know, um arrives, people have to you know, it's like people been trying to find another Michael Jordan's the NBA forever until you got to realize that. You know, Lebron is just the first Lebron. That's never gonna be the mic, you know,

Steph Curry, it's the first step. You know, Kevin Durant is the first Kobe as well, Kevin, you know Kobe drinking Kobe, great guy. I supposed to wrap supposed to write a song for him on one of his albums. So did that bother you that that comparison. No, because I knew who I was. I knew I was a guy from the street. You know, I gotta say, I gotta give recognition to my guy, noigil, No, you know not of course, of course yea um. And he used to always come in the student like listen, forget what

they're talking about. You know who you are, you from Brooklyn, putting that work. Just have your conversation. They're gonna see that, you know, Shina shine, you know, just talk that talk, you know. And and of course you know, it takes a while as a new artist to fill yourself around the studio and you know, to to find your footing. But you know, the comparisons drove me. That's what drove me to to to be great, to have my own greatness because because I didn't want to be Mike, I

didn't want to be Big. I wanted to be Shane. Because the funny thing is we had Mike Geronimo sit here right, and my Geronimo his whole career was compared to Naas so in his I don't remember that, yeah, came out, but I'm glad you you brought NUS. I love nas. That's my guy. He's a great guy, great inspiration always you know when I was when I was incarcerated, always reached out to me. You know if I ever

needed anything. Now that I've ever asked anybody for anything, but you know, he was always there post incarceration, always extended the hand to me. Great guy. Um they compared now it's the rock can. Yeah. But what I'm saying is this, you know what I'm just saying that that's but He's the point I'm trying to make was Mike Geronimo has said to us. He said he didn't like like it made him. That's not like you see how you just said you embraced it. No, No, what I

didn't say. I embraced that. I said it drove me. It drove me. It's not a matter if I didn't like it. It's just a matter of you know, I gotta be great, and you know, sooner or later people gonna appreciate my greatness and it's up to me to make great music. That's a million trillion percent shine And if you listen to the Shot album, every flow is mine, Every flow is different. There's no big flow, there's no

pop flow, there's nobody flow. If you go back and study my first album, and on every song, I have a different flow. I switched flows every four balls, right. But that was a part of the drive, you know, to be a master you know, words Smith, a master musician. And you know, I definitely gotta thank Puff for that because that's what he was about making great music. And so it was great to have somebody like him to be like, man, that's trash. We put that out, you know,

that's how it would It wouldn't be. He wouldn't off and I don't even want to hear that, you know, like like records would leave that I was and he'd be like, what are you doing? This is not it? This is not you know, greatest rapper. They think they want you to be the greatest rapper. Yeah, so you know, but when I when I did get the record, you know,

I never forget the record. You know, he gave me the beat two bad Boys, Bad Boys, because you know, we we we we skipped the whole a whole um, a whole journey of so when I got signed, I think the comparisons came more from negative energy in the sense of I got there and I forgot why I was there. Remember, I started by saying that Bob Marley

was my greatest expir and rain, Ghosts and nas. You know, just that critical thinking, you know that, you know, analysis of our circumstances and how we can forge our way out of it. He's saying, when you got back to bad but when I but when I signed and I got you know those ms, it was about the six hundred and you you lost this. It was about the four Excuse me, it was about the four point six making sure it's not a four point because you know

it's a big difference. It was you know, it was about it was about it was but you know, Jay was a hustler, That's what That's what he did. You know, I'm not Jay, you know, I'm I'm I'm Bob. I'm not I'm Ghosts. You know, like I'm here, you know, to lift my people up. But but but but you know, I'm from Brooklyn. I'm a young kid. I never had nothing. You know, Mom's four people's houses immigrant So when I

got it, you gotta go up, you know. Um. And so I got distracted because it's nothing wrong with having it it's all about balance, you know. Um, but what are you here for? And and I was there to make great music. I was not there to just drive around in the six Yah. I let that make you and that's what happened. So he gives you this beat, right, So but hold on that that that year is important because I think I think that's that's where the negative

energy came from. Because I wasn't spending the time focusing on my craft and honing my craft and developing my skill set and becoming what I was destined to become. I was, you know, chasing skirts, chasing those arm be deva superstars and and you know, for lack of a better word, it's definitely a lack of a better word, look ahead games. The second one, sos J said, that's just the best hold on shot because I'm gonna chine for champagne, And joining was the champagne? What color from hell?

We didn't even get to the We gonna do that for shots, don't do that for shots. This faces I get, I get like glimpses of the greatness that you do. But I'm so busy right now. We got your back, we got I don't even know the so what you with you one, this is black own champagne. But when you think, I said, Um, I'm gonna go with the goal because you know you gotta go. You guys go to go. Let's go with can we get a cup? Okay?

Because you know the black and gold is important because you know, my my grandmother was, um, what's what you call a Gary Okay, that's an African set of people that have been persecuted for hundreds of years. Um. And they went from St. Vincent. They fought against the French, they fought against the English or the black and gold the exile. And but this is the color of their flat black and gold and and and this month is their month. And believes we celebrate Garrett from the settlement day.

And my grandmother was from Honduras. She was born in Honduras, but because of racism, she hid the fact that she was a Garret Funa until she until she was about to die. Um. Yeah, So it's very important colors to me. Black definitely also black kings to us. I just Puerto Rican man. You know when I when I when I when I when I was, when I spent my time, you know, traveling through those correctional facilities. I received love from from everyone. Yeah, that's that's one from from your bloods,

from Christ. That's one thing. Everybody loved me. Your journey um to the other side and we'll get there. But I remember a lot of people who was in there with you and just will always tell me how honorable dude you are and a man of your words. And it's like I knew that from you from the streets. But you have a story that, um, you could be bitter man like, come on, let me find like you know, for lack of a better term, like we said earlier, your child is actually kind of defending your boss. It

was absolutely defending. So in any other world, not just my boss, my brother, your brother. So in any other world when you do that, you defend your brother who is your boss, you actually get rewarded for that. There's no downfall to that when it's a real world. But this is the industry. This you had to quickly learn that because you, like you really had to go from from zero r real quick. You know, you know what

happened with with with didn he with brother love. I don't really blame that on him now as much as I did then because I did go through a stage of bitterness human. Um. But in retrospect, you know, I blame it more on the lawyers that we're advising him to separate the case than him, because his lawyers were there, excuse me to secure a not guilty verdict by any means. He's a corporation, hundred million dollar corporation, and you know they look at me as the enemy. Now you know,

this is this, this is how many years ago? This is twenty some years So Puff is still young relative, so he's he's he's much younger than and you know, it's a lot of pressure. You know, he's about to lose everything. I'm about to lose everything. I'm from that though, right, you know, did he is a musician, you know, he's a great musician, great executive, you know, great entertainer. But he wasn't from that, so his response shouldn't be expected

to be my response. And then when your lawyers and maybe other people are misleading you and misguiding you, Um, I think that's how everything you know fell apart. And he said that to me, he said, you know, man, you know, I'm sorry, man, you know I should have never listened to those lawyers. And you know, I forgave him, um, but you know it was traumatic, so I would forgive him and then you know, you might hear me a

few months later, you know, going in on him. Um. But again that was that was that was that was that was that was that was. That was over a decade ago, um. And I was in a different space then, and you know today, you know I'm all about you know, how I'm gonna impact the world, building relationships and forgiveness as a part of that. I can't carry twenty three years ago with me in a negative way. I carried twenty three years ago with me all the good from

twenty three years bad. I take the wisdom out of it, I take the lessons out of it, and I use it for the next twenty three years. How I'm gonna master this chess board. That's hard, that's all. You know what I always say. I always say, forgiveness is for you, like forgiveness is not for them. Like whether I forget them or not, forgiveness makes me a better person. That's that's for me. So it's like with you know what Diddy, when I when did? He has supported me, He has

been one of my biggest supporters. Him Fat joke. It was are my two guys. Like I said, Nas always reaches out when to see you in jail, see me in jail. I don't know. I don't know if you came to Belieze. I can't forget Buster rhymes, Buster rhymes my brother. You know, I was just with him, him and Khalid Kalid is my guy to another supporter for

over a decade, you know. But Buster came to Beliefe when I got out, Um, you know, embraced me to sign you to though, right, I think I think that was he was just a brother, you know, gave me an automa when I when I you know, when he came to Belieze and just been my brother through and

through uh and and Joe my brother. But did he in in in the most recent years after we reconcile, you know, once I told him what I was doing, and Beliefs became one of my biggest supporters, you know, um brothers telling people through his platforms what I was doing, whether it's you know, financing what I was doing, um and just giving me that moral support and that acknowledgement.

And then recently they had tried to after I got elected elected past legislation to disqualify, disqualify me from the House of Representatives, to say that anybody that got convicted of a crime can't be in the House of Representatives in another country. And and you know did he lost it when he heard that, and he got the revote people, he got the publicist, he got everybody. He started talking to his legislative friends and was like, you know, we

can't let this happen. You know, this young man changed his life. He's doing great things for his people, and you know, he's Black excellence, and I can't let this happen to my brother. And you know, so he was very instrumental. And you know when I came here and meeting with the legislators in Georgia, you know, recognition highest regards to uh Rep. Erica Thomas and entire at Georgia

Entertainment Caucus. And you know Corey Jacobs as well. You know, so so puff, you know, to me, totally redeem himself. And it's my brother and I love him, and so I don't need to talk to him every day. I don't need a million dollars from him. You know, the love and the support in the time of critical need is worth more than a trillion dollars. And that's important because when you expect money from people, when you expect material things from people, you will always be disappointed. What's

it called and entitled it? I don't know if it's entitenment in my case, because you know, after ten years, you know, uh that that's debatable. But what I'm saying is I prefer to say expectations. Don't expect anything from anyone, and appreciate everything that you know God sends your way, and take it for what it is. You know, but just hold yourself accountable, navigate your path and your journey,

and life would be much less complicated. So when there are no expectations, whatever someone does contributes, it's just just enhances extra. But you know, I got what I got going going, But that's still my brother. So my love doesn't have a price tag on it. So I don't love you because you know you sent them may back to police for me. I don't love you because you know you gave me a million dollars for my campaign.

I love you because you're my brother, and if we talk every day, if we don't, you're my brother and I love him. That's why. So um, let's get into it that that first record, the barings and leading, and we need more. We need more black love, more Brown love. A lot of murders going on. I know, New York City is ridiculous. When I saw Bobby murder at at Jay's event, at Holds event at the fort forty, you know, I hugged him, you know, Meek Mill, that's my little

brother too. He's another little brother that has been their champion in the Shine Legacy for years, you know. But I held you know, Bobby, and I told him, I said, man, listen, you have to learn from me. You know. We were going back and forth. I think he did six I did tend So I said, listen, I'm the champion, you know, right and and but I don't want you to have the belt. I don't want you to go through what I went through. I want you to be a messenger. I want you to lift these kids up. I want

you to save these kids lives. I don't want anybody else in Brooklyn or anywhere else in New York or Los Angeles or anywhere around the world or United States to go through what we went through. We gotta stop the psycho. So so Black Loves and pol We gotta stop killing each other. They can't just be when you know they're kneeling on George Floyd's net, you know, we get up in arms. But then when we're blowing each

other's brains out, nobody says anything. You know, So So Black Love is in portant in brown love, and you know in the city love. So so Pop brings you this record, he brings you to beat so So ninety eight was spent being reckless. That's how I got the name Alpoka, you know, parking on the sidebak, you know, getting out the cards, just leaving running right, um you r. I gotta yeah, I gotta. I gotta definitely acknowledge Mike.

You know, he's one of the first you know, uh icons that that I've ever met and hung out with. You know, I gotta acknowledge you know Jackie Road Auntie Jackie, Yeah, yeah, and that's my aunt. Um So, I spent the whole ninety eight, you know, chasing all these on be superstars who sold millions and millions of records and rating female super the stars who sold millions of records. But I didn't sell any records and I wasn't making any hip

records and I never forget. You know, at the M I had an argument um with this on Be Diva, you know who sold millions of millions and millions of records. You know, we we were you know, we had a thing, you know, um situation entanglement. You know who got to remember the house of representing this. But listen, anybody listen, so so listen, so so so I was, you know, I was seeing another rap female superstar, and so they got into an argument, and so to be Superstar you know,

called me and cursed me out. And she was like, you know, you know, you ain't nothing. You know, you think you something, but you nothing. You ain't sell you ain't nah, she wasn't even born. Okay, I'm fishing. Okay, I bugged. Don't get my life to that. She's probably yeah, yeah that's my home girl. Okay, that's my home girl. Jimmy Choo, Yeah yeah I got that record. Notes said anyway, this um this this on B Diva Superstar told me listen, basically,

you're a bum. You yeah, you ain't selling no records. She talking that talk. She don't care about the six hundred, She don't care about the platinum rolling and the goalsh. She don't care about the publishing because she's sold like you know, ten million records, number one singles, number one album for hundred weeks on on on pop charts. Um so she's like, you're a bump. You ain't sell one record.

So when you sell a record, then you called me back since you want to stunt on me and had me looking crazy out here with these motive right yeah, yeah, no no, but again I was driven by that. But that's about Marry are No. I was. I was thinking that we gotta we gotta get in the middle now that I mean, no, no, no, no, Mary's no. Mary montev ain't selling type of but Mary. Mary's great. But Mary's like you know, that's like big system, you know, but like she was before my time. Um but um

so yeah. So anyway, that was like that was like hitting me in the head with a law knocked the wind out of me and and it put me back in focus because I was like, she's right, you know, I don't want to just be driving around in nice cars and you know, have all the Iceberg sweats and you know, have all the drip. I want to make hit records. I want to be on top of the charts for a hundred weeks like her, but not just make hit records. Remember, I came here to impact the world.

So you know, I had a plan where I was gonna, you know, become a little bit more conscious in my music, you know, send different messages to lift my people. See if I could do a hybrid of that, you know, nas Co Strayed by Molly type thing. You know, nas ended up doing an album with David Martin. So I was, I was on the path and it was like, so what am I doing? So that Knoctor went out of me and got me back on my path. Um, both from an ego perspective and from spiritual perspective, because I

was like, you know, she's talking crazy. I got to show her that, you know, I could put out um. And so that's when I realized that the secret to success was did it. But the whole ninety eight I was dating his girlfriends. I can't tell you who, but that's how crazy I was. It sounds like a recipe for disasters for your career. That is what I'm trying to sell you. He was out there the place so um.

So that's how off track I was that I was a worker, you know, trying to take the CEOs, you know, property, and well I shouldn't refer to women's property, but you know the CEOs, you know entanglements because I was totally distracted, totally you know, young, dumb and full of come and so I had to get back on track. So he wasn't even messing with messing with me, okay, because he knew what you would. He can't be mad at that. He was just like, man, you right. That's when I

did the UM. I don't know if you listen to Mass album where I did the song start from Scratch, And initially that was if I can start from scratch out the sign that f jam, hustle russell. A couple of a million events changed it to you know, uh, now what am I saying Puff's the best man? Because me and Puff we were hugged up for that. You know, we got into the little rest of the match over that. No no, no, no no. Um. So that's where we were at. So ninety nine came about and I was like, man, listen,

Puff is the holy Grail. I'm not here to look cute. I'm here to sell records. I'm here to change the world. And you know that's when DMX was destroying things. You were destroying things. J Hard knocked life destroying things, and you know bad Boy was you know, it was in our turn. You know, we was in the bad um and so I knew Puff was still the Holy Grail because that's our life, is life in cycles. So that entire ninety nine, you know, I parked the six hundred,

parked the Rover, and I just went everywhere. Puff went. Hopped in the back of the Silver Navigator, and I was puff Shadow wherever he went on went, whatever he did, I did all he brings you this beat, all in order to get the Holy Grail. So we're in Hampton's August. August is a special month for me. But before this, we hit the I wouldn't say it was a home run, but it was a base hit and drove two people home.

So we scored some runs. We're sitting at home, sitting at home, remix, and you gotta remember was that it was that was total total. You gotta remember, the pressure is on everybody's like, who's this guy? He's not all that. He shouldn't have got a couple of million dollars and it's not a video for this, No, no, no. But what I'm saying is the record hit. You know what I need to do. Let it be understood. Bad boy on this Brooklyn the a t They pumped this, that

was it right, Everybody was like okay. And Puff is the ultimate hater, which is great. He's an ultimate hayter because he's hating for the benefit of the good. So like he's like no, no, no, no. So when he says yes when sitting at home makes it out, it's because he thought it was great and and he's never wrong.

Um So in August, we're in the Hamptons, he gives me the beat boom boom easy lp bo boom boo boom boo boom bo boom boom boom boom, and again, the musical genius that he is, he says, this is it. Right here, I'm telling you, this is it. If you could do to this what you did to send that home and take it up a notch, you're gone right because you know he used to tell him me, listen, you look better than ll You could wrap like Big and Nas and Jay you you know you you in

the streets. You're crazy like Tupac you got it all. You're the total package. If you put all that together and you put that on this Bad Boys, it wasn't called Bad Boys that put put that on this record. You're gone. And then who's the guy that goes he's asking you, he's asking me that, And you knew exactly that one because that's the less that's an icon in my community. Right. So he saw again I give credit

with credit is due. He quarterback that entire play. All I had to do was run, make it right and and died for the ball um. And that's how Bad Boys came about. You know, I went in, I knocked it out and the second verse was for Pup. I heard you wrote that fair that was for him. Things draggon on the floor, you know. But when Club New York happened, you know that adjusted the plan. But August nineteen is when I wrote Bad Boys. Yeah at um hit Yeah. Well in June, you know, I gotta recognize

phonk Master Flex as well. You know a job in Bombay Condors too. They was on it. But Flex, you know another guy that doesn't you know, he's not really on you unless he's on you. You know, you see him arguing with a lot of people some icons, you know. So he's not one to really just you know, uh, play music just to play music. He gotta love he gotta love it. Yeah, he gotta love it and um and he loved that record. And that record went. That was it, Like there was no there was no you know,

is it gonna go? And went Flex played it like a hundred times and that was it. What made you use him again was the other record that was half year. You know, when they sent the record to Barrington, they because Usha was supposed to be on Bonnie and Shine, but you got on. She was supposed to be on Bonnie and Shane and that's where Baronton levies On was supposed to be on Bonnie and Shoe already wrote the chorus and everything. Wow, but they put one over on me.

But when it came back it was great. You know, who could I can't argue with my childhood hero, you know, but he was the confessors a fire to that happened, you know. That was Mark Fitz and Jamaine Duprix two thousand and I want to grant me for that. It makes a noise for that. Apsn't have that supples that have that in your intro to Gray that went on, Yes, holy holy boy a right, so I was My next question was Bonny and Shot. But I feel like we

already established that, right, Alright, cool, don't forget. I can't believe I was nominated for Brandy for that too. Well, Carl Thomas Thomas, Okay, that's a big record. Okay, we're gonna come back to that. But look the song more or Less. That's Foxy Brown on there, right, that's produced by Kanye West, who was just on your show. Check

know that did not know that young Kanye West. I called John Man super early I think about it, sounds like a West I was there vision And wait a minute, because this is why this is two thousand No, this is more or less came out well, you know what, More or Less came out of two thousand and four. But I recorded those records in two thousand one. I was in with Trout. I recorded The Godfather Buried the live album, all of it while I was on Because this is one because this is when I this is

when I reached the holy grail. Like after my first album, I've breached to a level where I didn't write raps anymore. So literally, I was going from court to the studio and I would just listen to the beat and I just go in the studio and just talk about my life. But why the record you had that you did on the phone for the record for the record, and you know, I want to take this opportunity to um. You know, we should toast the fifty cents. You know, I really

appreciate all of his success. Yeah, I appreciate all the success that he's having as as a as an African American. You know, the longevity that he's having, the transition that he's made, you know, from you know, a Grammy Award winning you know, multi platinum selling grapher, you know, to a film producer. You know, he's an entertainment mogul um. You know, he's into the spirits as well. Just everything

that he's doing. You know, I celebrate his success. And you know, he tried to sign me when I was away that record about you say that he tried to sign me, and you know, I was just in a different place. I was in a place you know, I was you know, I was better. I was upset. You know, I had a lot of a lot of demons that I was fighting, and you know, I was just in a different space. I'm not in that space anymore. I'm in the space of healing and I'm in the space

of celebrating people. You know, I'm not getting into other people's issues because that wasn't my issue. What was that because he was friends were Yeah, it was my brother, you know, I came to see you or something like that. No, he's my brother. IRV was a great guy. But what I'm saying is because Earth came to see you opposed.

It wasn't just because Earth came to see me. It's just you know, you know, certain things meant meant something to me, and I don't want to go down that route because again, that's not my issue, and you know, I don't have the details and it's just not my my thing. I was just going with my brother and is still my brother. But it's time to grow up. It's time involved. And I want to see all my brothers together getting money, you know, being productive and just

having great lives. And we should live until we're seventy and eighty like the rock and roll guys, and you know, just have success. So so take me some noise for that. But that but that I need to know, but that he's not ready to move me into the ruck. But that was jail. Yeah, it was because alright, because because I was thinking it could have been recorded. He was in jail, all recorded over the phone prior to you

being in jail. But that's the I think that's one of the reasons I I failed when I came out, when I was released from incarceration. It's because it was too much negative energy. You know. I was arguing with Puff, I was arguing with fifty. I was arguing with Ross. You know Chears, the Rick Ross as well. He's doing great things, entrepreneur mogul. He's buying a house just so you could drive by. I hope that he rented out for airbnb so we could generate some revenues. Dominate that

to please. But um, you know, Chears, the all you know, the rat mogul's you know that are enjoying success. That's what I want. You know. Then I was selfish. I was thinking about me, and I was repeating something that was so destructive for hip hop. I think that's why God took my voice, you know, because when I came out, I lost my voice. I didn't have my baritone and and it was a disaster. And cald is my God,

love him so much. He wasn't flying private planes. Then he was ready to take a boat to believe for me to do that record. But I wasn't ready and I wasn't ready because again I lost focused. Like I was in I was in ectional facilities, you know, going through a journey, not to come out and be tupap. I don't write rhymes, I just create, Just give me the beat. So I had, I had albums in my head. But the point I'm making is, you know, Um, I came out with the wrong energy, that destructive energy, and

that had been very devastating for hip hop. We lost two of our icons and even more people because of that destructive energy. So for me to be a leader again, to to want to be about Molly and after ten years of going through all that, even if it's just entertainment, even if it's just me speaking my truth and giving my opinions on you know the rules are wrapping the

rules of the street. That's not the energy that we ever need again because I'm too rare, and when you're too rare, things end up becoming very destructive and devastated. So Um, so yeah, the energy just wasn't right. And the energy that I have now, it's the right energy, celebrating everyone and you know, wishing everybody the best, and everything is about beliefs. So when you came home and what did you feel pressure to do that college verse? Did you regret it? Like? No, I didn't feel pressure.

I just I just explained to you. My problem is my energy was not right. Yeah, if your energy is negative, you're focused on the wrong thing. Why am I thinking about brick Ross? Why am I thinking about Ditty? Why am I thinking about fifty? I'm supposed to be thinking about myself. I'm supposed to be thinking about believes I'm supposed to be thinking about how I'm gonna make hits.

That was just the wrong energy. So it's like again instead of the on be diva, God slap me upside my head, took my voice away so that I could, you know, get focused what was important. But when you came home, you didn't go straight to belives right. You know what happened is when you know it was like in Paris, I was on I was in um my guy, Stephen Victor just hit me. Congratulations Stephen Victor. He's Um, he's the he's Spotify. I guy. No, no, no, no, no,

Stephen Victor, come on, don't do that. Now, he got got money in Spotify. Stephen Victor probably got money and everything I'm talking about. Stephen Victor pushed the tea. Yeah yeah, I'm talking about he got something. So he got money and he had money from you, so much money he got wet No, no, but I wanted to. I wanted to celebrate, uh, my young brother. He's a he's been a friend of mine since, you know, over thirteen years,

and so I'm so proud of him. He got se then we got he's he's on his way over here. That's my part. We got the box. We don't know okay, and we got it, but we got it. We got I gotta also celebrate my other younger brother, uh Steve, oh, Stephen Carllers. He just he just became president a Warner Bros. That's my other little brother. Okay, my insig, Yes that sound. We don't all show us about giving people their flowers

while they're alive. So many people wouldn't show you love after we we we didn't make up that statement, but we made it famous in hip hop. So we literally want to give your flowers while you here to your face, face to face matter man, thanks to you what you need in the community. Hip hop You know what I mean, standing tall for the streets, standing tall for every day. We respect you, we love you, we appreciate you. Shout

out what the flower? So then I gotta I gotta give you my yeah because now you know so this is uh, this is nineteen eighty one. Uh excuse me, belies Rum from one of the institutions of Rum, uh called Travelers. This one. Yeah, this is nineteen eighty one. This is a Travelers. They actually have a museum Beliefs if you're ever visited Beliefs, which I know everybody out there watching. We got to go to police. You gotta break that over because we're gonna drink. Okay, okay, alright, cool,

I was trying to save it. Take it home for me. I've got for you this work. You think my naturally drinking instinct like like, hold on, they can take this home. Does he know we're ready to go to police and do this interview with we were we were ready to know before I didn't you did tell me that we got you got your American ship back I don't selling back. I said your ship. No, no, no, how did you get that back? How did you government? Okay, yeah, I've

got a next into the house. Okay, okay, yeah, yeah, you can let the Domerican to every same thing. So, oh you know why we're so we're so uneducated, so that I think it was like this. Yeah, it was a little definitely that silly wouldn't fix expressive ship right there. So we watch you out with that bottle. That's that's expensive ship right there there you go. Okay, all right, we got I think you gotta take off. He just used to open the package. It's a cocaine forget about

Dominican friend actually looking expencive. Okay, okay, okay, I don't know you do you do right? No problem, no problem. Listen, we got and we got the Caribbean the Caribbean rum too. Okay, this the um. This is the ten year old. I'm gonna sign this before I leave. Yeah, please, I'm gonna put you that right in my ball, right put in check this out. This is a game that we played on the show, is called quick Time of Slim. Right.

The quick Time of Slam is very simple. You pick one or the other, if you pick both, or if you pick neither. Did you take a shot. But let's let's see, let's see how you do out. Alright, cool, you're ready, got the shots ready? Alright? Cool? Let me get them pull it off. You can tell your shot in the Caribbean. Let me try. We go in and but we're gonna wait. Don't take a shot yet. What I'm saying too fast? One night outside. Listen, listen, this this is this is all in the belief they couldn't

pay for this second market. You know you got shot, you got hit, shot out bring me so I'm gonna do one in one okay, yeah, yeah, I'll do I did that one, right, I did that one. Just what I'm I'm gonna do one shot? One? One shot? Okay, all right, I got eighty one. It's close to my birthday was ninety one. Nineteen eighty one is when believes got us independence? Oh? Wow? That that recent? Yeah, forty years old. Today's independence from from Great Britain. Wow, that's great.

And speaking speaking with Great Britain. Along with the Deputy Prime Minister of the Leaves Cordel hide Um, we are taking the United Kingdom to court for reparations, because reparations are due. I said that was the first album. Look at United Kingdom next you know, well, you know the colonialism is a is a curse to humanity, so they gotta pay. But let me okay, let me not digress, all right, So this is this is it. We picked

one of the other big both take a shot. I think we need a little bit more than le's get a little bit more just in case. Yeah, just a little bit, just in case, run DMC or the locks. I take a shot. Okay, that's fair. Though, that's fair. Welly're good, that's very good. We're supposed to drink the whole thing. I mean, yeah, it's up to you. It's pretty much shot however you want. Next time this, I don't know who are you gonna go with? You do the next one? Next time? Okay, this one, I don't

know where you go with. I don't know every representatives, So I got to do half a shot. Can't be walking out this. I don't know who gonna go with us or beliee police police. And that was I think he's gonna think about what makes him take a shot. Now you believe he's actually why later Okay, he's over everything.

Of course, now you've been on both. I'm gonna say bad boy, so pop Daddy r us obviously, okay, I Mason Jada Kiss j the Kiss, ready to die on me against the world, ready to die damn easy, let me let me calm down, all right, Cool, he's doing too good man, Hold on, cool, you got you need to get some more Snoop or Buster. Oh man, it's whatever criteria for you. But yeah, that's what I'm said. What's the whatever, whateverever you want, whatever is in your mind.

It's a crazy feel like, let's go with myster you know, like you know Snoop is in a different space. It sounds like you're about to stay a shot. I gotta take a shot, take a shot, my brother. So you know, I can't choose anybody. Snoop is like the most famous wrapper up in the world. Snoop American Icon. Everybody anybody knows stoop yea yeah, yeah, both like your grandmother there, you're mixing the shots. Yeah, yeah, this is the name of Belize. That's how that's how you gotta do it.

I'm going to Majuana next. I'm not gonna lie or rum has that Caribbean. Taste to it like you immediately drink rum and then taste the palm tree like you just like you just look at like a ship, you know what I mean? Like this is the best rum. Yes, it's it's good. Kenjick Lamar J Cole j Cole. All right, you ain't gonna be able to answer this. This this, this is easy. This one. Queen Latifa em c Light. You know, I wrote a record. I wrote a record for Queen I mean for em c Light on her

her seven Alm with my things, you know. But you know, Queen la teeth is icon. Mc light is an icon. You know, paper thin. I gotta take a shot now, you're going back to this one. This this one, get my chests hot, that's what she looks. Something I love and I saved my chest hairs earlier. I don't know if you know, I need to paste myself. Yeo, yeah bad, yes, when you come to believe you all right, so I little no problem. I got you all that and that

didn't help either. Yeah, it's definitely okay, Scarface on ice cube shot, I got you. We're doing before you first. I like how you like mainly how aw I love that I can tell we got the team to stay tasting hip hop. Okay, we gotta take it down, Solot, thank you for being here. Shot and you definitely want you to know that, uh immediately See bump reminds me of Part a WEEKO so much so. Yeah, because you know, I get get dumb o talk about believes before I

leave it. Yeah, we got that, We got you belies. Okay, Nas or Jay take a shot. That'm gonna do a little one. Yeah if yeah, that's all now they get the point. Ah Yeah, Nicky or Cardi deal, Niki, loyalty or respect both, it's always the right answer. Motherfucker's get mad complicated. Yeah, it's both. Sottle, so I don't okay. Ah, Foxy Brown a little cat, Foxy Brown, let me get that carib Faith of Monica Faith Shop up a super

cat show. I said that too quick. Yeah, I'm gonna go with I'm gonna go with shop with you know, a super cat. You know he was great, But I'm gonna go with shoping man. Nobody got more hits and shot shot up. He's a push your off fat shot. Okay. I was a little confused with that one too. I think he's gonna be confused with this. Boold you. Okay, I gotta finish you put up. You pought the hang one in the name of Belice, Belie Belice is weird situation. I don't think I do that right. I need more

of this. They sell it out here, No, I got it to you. I'll get a case. That's a good case to you. Rock Camp we want to distribute out here, and beliefs I'm doing. You made the Beliefs Festival all around the United States, and they're gonna be one of the mains. Is really good rock Camp or cam Yeah? Sure, that was your last shot. It was Man, they're gonna Rap City or NTV raps rap City, j Loo Mariah, you almost did a bit with j Low though not really with your right. This is the last one Boys

in the Hood or Juice shot shot. Okay, that's cool, that's fair, Yeah, right, okay, But she never asked my asked my question about more or less? More or less? I've always wondered, is that Foxy on the song? But you didn't credit her for being on the song? No, it doesn't say feature in Foxy Brown. It's that species fox brought on gang Land. I think that was an oversighter. Oh yeah, I can show you it right now. It's

calling me right now. Okay, I'm on. UM's not going through for songs, but I don't know why that is. But yeah, now you all the second rapper to have a drop an album. Hello, Princess, listen, I'm on drink Champs right now. Okay, I'm filming, but I'm gonna get your baby alive with the kitchen, with the food and the Barbie camper and everything. Okay, I love you. You gotta be pushing more of this positive energy. It's all. Yeah, it's called our father hood. Yeah, our father hoods Yes.

So what damn? What does that just say? Okay, you're the second rapper to ever go number one while incarcerated in jail. Now, I know that's not something to brag about, but think about how many motherfucking rappers ever been to jail. It's just certainly an accomplishment to go number one in any circumstances, and I'll be able to support the record.

I mean, going number one, it's going number one, and um, yeah, I've been very fortunate, you know, and that's that's one of the reasons why you know, I'm grateful for this opportunity to make amends and you know, to um to put just positive energy with people who I may have contributed a lot of negative energy towards because I was very fortunate. Did you know your marketing campaign, you know you would like it was fandom just came out. I was a CEO. Yeah, listen to Fanom just came That

was the CEO for you had a rap Fanom. I was the CEO for riving Around. You know how dope that it was? That that was all listen The fandom just came out was about four. That was Steve Oh to Steve Carlos, Steve Carlins. I thought it was Kevin Lives No, no, no, remember maybe the stego was working for me. He was. That's what I'm saying. You don't understand how great hip hop is. Stephen Victor Junior. It's

now you know the biggest thing in universal music. Uh. Stephen Carlos, president of Want of Music and Young SIDEPP was working with you too. Yeah. They had best of both worlds, best of both offices. Yeah, it was my my sons, But I no know, I'm just saying, like my guys, the Brookly jump Out of the area and there like you know, this movement. So yeah, that was yeah, that was sad and Steve are running around the town. Yeah yeah in the family where I'm not. But listen,

it's a difference. God bless me. Um. You know, well, only other people who did that was Rockefeller and this is when Rocket Feller was the hottest in the world. They used to put the flyers on the on the on the e class. Yeah. No, no, no, no, that's what you had. You had, you ships had the flyers, like I didn't know that. That's a good poe. We're not trying to you know, yeah, that's that's a good point.

That's a good point. I didn't realize the difference. You're right right, they did have Okay, that wasn't official rat that's yeah. You're the first person I've seen a super luck to recall because the Buggy opens was nice. You had to had the big, big billboard at the Brooklyn Bridge. That's before Dumbo. You do what's before k D from the camp. Listen, I shot a video when you can't damn, damn,

how do you Wow? That's how I got to the House of Representive But listen, no, no, honestly, you know that's you got your powers, and the entire point of your powers is to use them for good. And you know, I'm very, very grateful to be in a position to be a global leader. And so you know, hip hop is the most dominant forcing the globe. But unfortunately there's a lot of celebrations of destruction. And I'm not judging my brothers, you know, like like Meet mill that's like,

that's like my my little bro. Like I love him. You know. What I'm saying he's doing is um criminal justice reform thing, him and Michael Rubin, And you know, I just want to see him be the leader. I want to see him be Mandela. I want to see him be Malcolm X because we need that. And what I'm saying is, you know, all the gang banging, you know, all of you know, just genocide, it has to stop. You know what I'm saying. It has to come a point where you know, we we we have so much power.

We gotta the chairman, my my brother, how came Jeffreys. He's the chairman of the um House of Representative Caucus, the Democratic Caucus, not the Black Caucus caucus. We have power. We have a vice P isn't it Kamala Harris? African American women? Uncle Joe, you know that meme of little baby putting the chain around his neck, that's real, Uncle Joe. You know he might have made some mistakes a hundred years ago, but I think, you know, I feel his energy.

He's getting it done. The point I'm making is we have to stop relying on other communities and other people, and we have to start holding ourselves accountable. What I'm saying so yeah, um Kanye said he called up Carmilla. We ain't seen hers since that lection, Harris. Let you hear what I'm saying that I mean I discovered. I wouldn't say I discovered, yea, But I appreciate his genius way before. And you know I love you, you know, yea.

I'll never forget I was in Clinton Denner Moraw. You know, people don't understand, you know, spending ten years of your life in the correctional facility. That's why I entitled my second album Buried Alive. That's my question. My second album is Buried Alive because I was buried alive. That's that's It's only it's only two things. It's only that you called the album is that Still Buried Alive. There's only two things that's worse. It's being in the hospital or

being incarcerated. You know, being incapacitated in the hospital or being incarcerated. Um. You know, so being incarcerated was absolutely the worst thing. And that's why I called my album, Um God, okay, but it's okay, I hear you know what I'm saying, because I was literally I was dead, right, but you're alive. But I'm alive because I fought to be alive, right, I thought to not be dead, right.

I was like Michael Jackson and Thriller, you know, doing the whole dance and everything after he rose from the dead. So there was there was, there was voment, and I would like to address every year you could say no, yes that like when you was in jail, like you was affiliated with the biggest blogs. I was. I loved everybody. I was a leader that I am today. I was a leader. I was in there stopping people from killing each other, stopping people from flipping violence against each other.

And you know, I did what I had to do to survive. Um, but I was a leader. I took care of everybody. I took care of everybody. It didn't matter your affiliation, you know, it didn't really matter. You know, some people have certain type of charges that I really didn't want anything to do with, you know, station you know, but no, no, no, I was a leader. You know, I love I love people. I'm a humanitarian and that's

what I was about. You know what, maybe there there were certain people that loved me more than other people. But I was all about you know, everyone just trying to God my brothers just you know, I felt so bad that I was there. And while I was there, I would have a number one album I would have, you know, like jay Z would come to Riker's Allen into may Back a right to see you, to come and see the Fat Joe would pull up. Fat Joe actually did a concert for me for my brothers that

were incarcerated. So now I was just I was as a leader that ever worked against you those type of things. No, no, no, no, no, no. The the the authorities loved me because you know, all I did was pray, you know. Um. You know, I was a devout jue you know, kosha Um. I minded my business, you know, and I try to advise everybody. I try to guide everybody people. Young kids would come in. I had a program call um Yeah, you have to

print the ship program. So if a young kid would come to my house, I would and he didn't have his high school diploma, I would send him or take I would take him upstairs to a class that I taught and made sure he would try to get his g D. Wow. You know, so I was always always about positivity. That's why, like I said, when I came out and I was then with all that negativity, you

know that there wasn't the right thing to do. So you know, so many people go to jail and they come back, you know, they come back blood or they come back crypt when they come back, Musslim when they come back, Christian they come No one comes back Jewish, you know, the Israelites the proper name for Jews or Israelites and Israelites for people who don't know. I'm not talking about those guys on forty second streets. That's what

I was about to say. No, no, listen, listen, if you're slack, if you're if you if you are a Christian or a Muslim cordon or the King James version of the Bible, and you read the Old test that they both have the Old Testament, and you read, you know it will tell you um about the Israelites. And you know the Five Books of Moses is it is in both those um scriptures. And you know in the Five Books of Moses, which is my name, you change it Anti Moses Levi, but my name is Moses barrow Um.

The Five Books of Moses documents the happenings of the Israelites. It's not in the Torah as well. That's the Torah, the tourists and the Oak and then the Christian books. So the point I'm trying to make is no where in the Torah, the Kordan, or the Christian books do they mention the word Jews Israelite. You know, Jews just a misnomer. It's just you know, just a swedeo name,

you know, just a um. And if you look at the journey of the Israelites, they were Africans, egypt Is in Africa, North Africa, Africa, right right, right, right, So the people in Africa got broad noses, big lips, and you know, much darker than i an. You know, you had pharaohs that were the color of your shirt. So the point I'm making is you know, um, the Israelites.

Most of this story was in Africa, So it's not like it shouldn't be a coincidence or it shouldn't be shocking that, you know, an African, American, African Caribbean is drawn to Judaism because that's an African science. Israelism is in Africa if you look at if you look at Africa, Israel is right, they're attached to Sinai, which is in Africa. They're they're, they're they're like connected. They call it the

Middle East. I'm not gonna get into that politics. But if you look at the map, I see what you say. It's not far feted, it's not even far fetched. It's literally attached. And the entire thing was going from Egypt to it. It's the same people. It's still part of Africa. So Africa got Ethiopians, Africa got you know, um, the Ebos and Nigeria. You know, shout out to my little brother on dar Vido. So it's not you know, to me, um, people associate being Jewish for being European, which is you know,

just a myth. It's not really you know, if you look at Moses, Moses was married to Ethiopian. Ah It says this, and it's post World War two. Israel says this in the Bible. But I'm not talking about Israel. I'm just talking about you know, So being a Jew is not synonymous with being in Israeli. You know, Um, this is something that's like five Our our calendar is like five thousand and eight hundred years old. So the point I'm making is being a Jew being in Israelite

is not a racial thing. You have Jews from Rock Eye, you know, you have Jews Morocco. You have Jews from Iran, you have Jews from Yemen, you have Jews from um Iran. You have Jews from Syria, you have Jews from um Lebanon, the place. You have Jews from Russia. But your name is mostly places besides Russia. You have Jews, know, you have Jews from from Czechoslovakia, Jews from from all over Europe. But those Jews that in Europe came from Africa, came

from Israel. They were persecuted in Jerusalem and in Israel, and they fled to to Europe. So the point I'm making is I don't like to racialize being a Jew, being a Jewish, a racial h being a Jewish of belief and that is uh, you know, to believe in one god mino theism, and I believe that there's one

intelligent designer that created the universe. And you know, having a connection with that intelligent designer, it's the holy Grail kind of like with me and did he when I realized that connecting with him would lead me to success. And that's why I chose the name Moses mhm. Because Moses was not born a Jew. He wasn't circumcised, he didn't have a britten melt right, he didn't keep shabat, he didn't wrap the feeling, he didn't do any of

those things. He was raised as an Egyptians. Most is the same person as Mahami, right, no, no, no, But Moses is like the Moses the guy, and Judaism is him and King David. But Moses is the guy. He's the guy who got the Torah, you know what I mean? Um, But Moses was raised as an Egyptian, as a North African in Pharaoh's house. But Moses everything that he didn't come yet typical Stephen Victor get that money. Yeah, m

But Moses was raised as Egyptian. Right, But that's what I'm trying to tell you that the foundation of being a Jew in an Israelite, it's not a racial thing. It's an ideological thing. It's a philosophical thing. Right. Let me tell you what that ideological and the philosophical thing is. Moses grew up with Faraoh. Moses was gonna be Faral And who is farh? Pharaoh is the guy that works people to death, the guy that has no morals, no characteristics. Can we get around applause? And see we got to

drink to that that. You know how you know you're rich when you wear the same hat every day? That's the money, right, that's that's that, that's that. What's the guy's name? I mean, Warren Buffett is poor? Now that's that. Now that's to that that So I look, yeah, so long story short. Moses grew up as an Egyptian and Moses one day says, you know what, killing people, working people to death? Um, you know, so that I could be rich and I could have these pyramids and I

could have all this wealth. That's scarbage. That's by Suda ba right, um, like do we my friends smogan? Right? And and that's the foundation of being in this really like principles, integrity, right, character. He said, you know what, I don't want to be rich if being rich means that we're gonna work these people to death. These people are gonna be slaves. Man, that's scarbage. And he went into the desert. We're nothing most Moses in order to

follow his prince, supposing his ideas. And that's what I did. I said, listen, you know here, the rollies, nice, the Bentley's nice. I had all of that while on trial, but none of that was worth me being at Takashi six nine and saying, you know, did he did it? So my entire life it's based on integrity and character and so like in the House of Representatives and believes I'm dead to advocate on behalf of people. And that's

what Moses did. God, according to the Five Books, was gonna destroy the Israelites because they were this, they were that, they did this, they did that. And Moses said, you know what, kill me, but let the Israelites live. And that's a true leader. That's a true leader. True leader is gonna sacrifice everything for his team. You guys are leaders of your team, and I know you guys. Make sure that everybody straight before you straight, everybody goes to bed,

everybody get their check before you get your check. And so yeah. So so that's my connection to being a so called Jew. I'm not religious, um, because my religion is humanity, and my religion is being honest. My religion is being generous. My religion is being tolerant, you know. Uh yeah, So so I'm about humanity. I'm not about any religion in particular. I still practice the sciences of you know, being a Jew, being Israelite. But yeah, how

was it living in Paris before? What about the next question? Yeah, but so every day to just close up to just close up that last question. The point is, and an African being a Jew should not be surprising. Anyone can be a Jew, you know. Being a Jew is not restricted to a particular race. Um yea, So Paris. I was in Paris before Hoven. You just put that on the record. What before Hoven? You you said, Colvin. Yeah, No, I'm just I'm cold. Was in Paris. I'm just taking

my credit. I'm just taking I'm just taking my credit in Paris now before I watched The Throne, Okay, I was in Paris Hotel coasties. Now, I was in the lama Reee for more than six days. That's Um Stephen,

Stephen very rich. Okay, he was rising. But now now you know, Paris is where many of the Jews in Israel who were persecuted, many of the Syrian, Moroccan, Iranian Lebanese Jews, they went to Paris about the hash and so Patis there's a big there's a big Jewish community in Paris, and there's a big African community in Paris.

And Paris is so rich with culture in arts. Even though you know, there's even though, even though even though they did Haiti dirty, you know, they made Haiti pay all types of hundreds of billions of dollars because of Um Pierre Toussaint Am I saying it right? Stephen Pierre Toussaint These, the first African leader in the Caribbean, destroyed the French and what is now the Republic of Haiti. He's from eighteen o four, He's from Haiti. Africans, Africans

who Haitian Frants. His heart is Africa, careful, He's so happy. Africans, Africans who were transported from Africa to build the New America's destroyed the French, which was the biggest military at the time, biggest military at the time, and they were so embarrassed and they had such big egos that they came back and they said, okay, yeah, you got your independence,

but you owe us. And that's why Haiti is the way it is right just finished hadis not the way it is right now because Haitians are so you know Mongolian or their their Nimrods their it's because the Europeans in France made them pay hundreds of billions of dollars that could have went to their development. Right, So um, so, yeah, is that through NATO that they made him pay? No, no, no, no, no,

they made him pay for generations. So I'm sure the World Bank was involved in that too, you know, whatever, whatever it was, you know, yeah, they made them pay. Yeah, you said Nimrod is that the guy who like used to cut people's heads off. That's what they say that I'm talking about a Christmas trees come from ms ornaments is because Nemo used to cut the people heads off and put it on trees. Talking about you were talking about France. We were talking about France, but you know,

the French. The reason France is so rich, the reason the UK is so rich, colonial is because of the extraction of wealth from the Caribbean using Africans. So Africans, you know what I always tell those African boys and girls and believe and African boys and girls everywhere. You know, never feel inferior, never feel you know that you're something less. You're a pharaoh, you know, you're you're a king. That's

where you come from. You were forced into slavery. And so the Europeans, the French, the United Kingdom, they got their wealth. They they're the ultimate hustle Portuguese as well, the ultimate, the ultimate killers and murderers and gangsters. A part of that gang right, gangster, he was a gangster, you understand. And what they did to native people, they pillaged all native pillage. Yeah yeah, so yeah so so.

But but you know, French France, notwithstanding things that I just mentioned, you know, there's a lot of culture there, very rich, you know, melting pot of different people, you know, Arabs, Africans, Jews. Yeah, so I really loved it that. And where else was you living. I was in Israel, I was in Jerusalem, you know, yeah, you didn't go straight back to Belize, and just now I went straight back to Belize. Why do you even stay there? Because you know what, you

know what it was. I get a lot of flak for that. Okay, No, no, no, it's cool. It was good to address the flank. Okay, because people say, oh, you know, well number one, When I was getting ready to be deported, I had the most expensive lawyer, and I had a whole team of people that wanted to fight for me to stay. To believe, I mean, stay the State of the States. But my thing was, you know, freedom is a muss. I don't want to know. I don't want to be incarcerated. I don't want to spend

a day in prison. You know, the United States. I love the United States. It is my second home. But I want to be free. I want to be free. You know. So they're telling you you're gonna be deported in jail, but you know, in the States, they're like, listen, we're gonna fight, We're gonna get a lawyer. I'm gonna make sure you stay. But you know, you gotta sit up for like six months, you know, six twelve months

or more time. Yeah, And I'm like, no, I need to be free, you know, toorious b I g sat smoking trees and believes that's what I need to be thrown up. I don't smoke, but you know I drink. Okay, that's okay. Let'slet's take a shot to that man. Let's take a shot to that. Goddamnit. It used to set it up. Drink about bad you drink when I drink Caribbean And yeah. So when that entire process was happening, my thing was just freedom, you know. You know, it

wasn't about being in the United States. It's after nine years, was about being free. So you know what, I love. Belize sent me to my people, and by God's grace, when the time is right, I'll be back in the United States on drink champs. But and that Caribbean stout and that regular Belican. It's only two rappers that got the borted slid it back. Rick, motherfucker. That's my brother too. He comes to Belize often, you know, because he does

those performs on those cruises. Highest regards as wife Mandy. That's my sister Slickers, my brother, great guy. Um, you know supported me all throughout. You know, they send school bags to Belieze they send, you know, education scholarships to Belieze, you know, the first time they came to Belize, were connected like that. But for my my thing is to be free. I didn't want to be incarcerated. The day more so I went, I said, listen to send me, send me home, because they had six to nine months.

You got to stay and then I would be the case. But I wanted to be free. And I got to belieze. You would have to stay in jail or wasn't like they said, you have to stay and be in a halfway house. No, you gotta stay, you gotta stay. No, no, no, you were in like um immigration jail. But I didn't want to be in any kind of jail. I wanted to be free. So when I got to believe, you know,

I went to Belize. You know, the first things I did I went to education, to universities, to high schools for Harvard professors, John j professors I went to When I landed in Belize, I went from the airport to the girls and Boys home, to the home for foster kids. I went to prison, the prison of Belise in Belize too encourage my brothers and sisters and lift everybody up and I donated moneys. I did everything that I had to do, but I needed to be free. So I

will go to Mexico City. I would go to you know, uh, Costa Rica, Panama, wherever they were Jewish communities, to go pray Sabbath and you know, go do my thing. I just want yeah, yeah, except that except let me ask you all the stepping because you shine, or they stepping you because you're a Jew. No, they accept me because when they see that the feeling and they see all the stuff that I do. Yeah, that's you know, that's

something that Moses. Moses did when they see you said we need a cup bots like the Jewish kid, that's um, that's a farm. Were never on the farm community. We all, you're all together, everybody they eat what they grow. Is that the way you pronounced the we gotta fix it? One thing they know. But I just wanted to be free. I wanted to go anywhere I would go. So Friday will come voke the flight. I'm out. I'll come back on Monday. And then I was in Mexico City shooting

the video. Shout out to my home girl and Steve O as well. Fatima, She's like stylisht quarter, she's stylished extraordin. She stole Swiss beats and and um metro not not metro booming. Sorry the other kid twenty one savage and all these hot kids. That was my stylus that video. So I was shooting a video in Mexico City and it was Russia. Shanna, that's the New Year, That's the Jewish New Year. And so every year when I was incarcerated for nine years, I would say next year in Jerusalem.

And Jerusalem is the frequency center of the universe Christians, of the Muslims, of the Joosa, even Buddhist that's the nuclear center of the world. Right, So anyway, every year I would say next year in Jerusalem. So when I was in Mexico City, you know, I had the paper I scored to Jerusalem, so I was just gonna go there for a couple of days, maybe a week, and I just I just stayed there, you know. But it was about my freedom. And they got clubs in jerusale

that's Televisa. I don't know where Jesus is buried. Jesus too, it's not it's next to queen, next next to you. Try to hit me with ayth you can say to me you got you got me. I'm the drink change. I want you to know I want to be ederate what I was saying earlier. The best year of my life. And it wasn't about making now that I'm older, it wasn't about making money. It wasn't about having exposure. It was about having freedom. You know. Um, I recently watched

you know Cardy come here. That's the biggest show, right, yeah it is. And then I but with that's that's that's not why it was. That's the biggest to me, to affected me. I recently watched his man just walk around by himself. I didn't like that. I'm driving a hoop tie where they called the hoop like all the way up the block with all my bags. I feel like economy too. But we all wanted a hoopie and what it's called us freedom? What it called us to do?

Whatever the fun. Stephen Victors, he's on the peach and yes, yes he's he's freedom as well. Yes, what I'm trying to say is in that tiny eight me get back to the point I was trying to make eight. It was me dmx Cannabis, Cameron Cappadonna, corrupt cannabis. Was that God? Yeah, he was, and he was this was it was hard, yeah, right, this was O. And then out the blue they say this is this guy named Sean and we're all like, who the fucking Seine? Why I got talking about him?

Where's his fads? Where's this thing that you guys are talking when you was one of them guys like why the fucking kind of might open? Those guys mean definitely, let's drink to that. We gotta drink to that. We gotta drink to that. Drink about the first day. I don't know if you remember, you gotta drink we gotta drink that. So solo, the rumor on the street was this guy no record. That's why I kept asking. I don't know if you'll remember earlier, I kept asking, when

was the record that started? He explained it it's because it was just him. But by the way that was the first Instagram his was and the way that it's spread, it spread like something viray on Instagram. Well that's what viral was back then, That's what word brow them out them out And I kid, you know, I'm not being I'm being honest as an outside of looking in I was like, who is this guy and how how does he have such a like having a buzz without a record was unheard of. You couldn't You had to be

on clues tape starting, starting it, starting it. That means that you could have been number seven on clue tape and mother like that, ain't it? Because it was the first five slots and then seven, eight, nine and ten and thirty one. No one to listen to the it's the first seven spots. I'm that serious. I'm not even if I'm not even playing around. I think people into the whole tape. But go ahead, not if you wanted to be on top of what if you want to be what I'm saying clue tape. Do you know it

was the first ten songs? Maybe ten, I'll tell you it's the first seven. I'm telling you that meant something to the world. Hot ninety seven were literally because there wasn't no power one or five back then. They were looking to the listen to the first ten clue songs of the were seven clue sauls and those songs will be added to rotation. That's literally how the world was at one point. So I say that to say it's

all bigging you up. Just let's let's roll. I said to say, you had none of that, and you had the world saying, I'm giving him a one man deaf jams. I'm giving him one point to um electure Sylvie Rune. Come on, Jimmy Ivan. Jesus, you know Jimmy Ivan is so important because right now Stephen Victor he got that. Jimmy I v money too. Yes, you know what Stephen Victor. With Stephen Victor him, don't just talk fly. He gives back. He's given like you know, a hundred thousand two, believes

in education funds. Goddamnit. He's giving much. He's given um. He's giving me money to sign artists and believe he's giving me mom money. Yuse my money is like millions of dollars. So we're not we're not. We're not there. As far as the charity money, he's making sure that charity money there. But Jimmy Irvine, you know, Stephen Victor reminds me of a young Jimmy Avine. And I told him that you'll tell you beautiful, No, he'll tell you. I told him this thirteen years ago. I said, listen,

I told you that the house avaliable. That's all you gotta do. And the black Jim got a house, a house. He got a dog when he got the house. But anyway, I want to shop for that. I feel like I feel like that. That's that's only Caribbean like one. I'm doing all y'all drinking like it's all beliefs. It's all beliefs.

I noticed that I went to Dominican Republan. But let me call in this episode all beliefs, beliefs all my mom but Jimmy, Jimmy Ivine, Jimmy Ivine told me, you know when I went to UM, when I went to sign with him, when he interviewed me, look at the main kids are they always want to charm in his isn't his entype of thing was? You know, you gotta be self contained. I don't want to sign UM. I don't want to sign nobody that I gotta manage and

I gotta, you know, micromanage. And you know that's why I said, you know, I give a round of applause and Steve the victor, because that's what I'm telling my artists right now. And believe I can't make them a hit. I can't wave a magic wand and they'll be famous tomorrow. But if they work hard, if they're determined, if they want them to run through the brick wall the way I was, if they're wanting to jump into Miami Beach see and swim to Cuba to believe that Jamaica, they'll

get there. But I'm not gonna wait for one for them to get there and get them the holy Grail. They gotta, They gotta find the holy They gotta like you found. That's beautiful. So you once said hip hop it's not the cause for violence in America. Hip hop and responsible for responsible for the violence as in America. It's a very deep statement, sir. You know, but I wanna we gotta drink to Uncle Joe because I don't like calling him out. No, no, I call him Uncle Joe.

That's my guy. Don't get between me and Uncle Joe. We got a thing. I'm an independent, We got a thing. You could all right, You gotta brown always wasn't definitely not Uncle Joe. Uncle excuse me, Hold on, Joe. She's with she's with the other guy. I'm not even gonna say his name. Yeah, that's a bad omen. President President Biden. What I like about President Biden. It's the fact that I love how we're talking politics for the first time.

The fact that you know, he said he was gonna do one, two, three, four five, and he's doing that, So like what what you voted? Listen. I love Kanye. I love over this episode. Listen. Listen, listen, listen part of part of I'm not part of the brotherhood. But listen, Kanye ain't get elected. I got elected. He got a ten billion, right, he got that over me. But he didn't get elected. I got elected. He failed on that one, so I got him out on it. But that still

my brother. So we could trade notes. It's a strawberry switch. Yeah, I'll do that. But the point, the point I'm making this, um, you know President Biden, he said infrastructure, he said he was gonna, you know, do this, do that. Black agenda, just a black agenda we're getting. Then. See that's why I don't like no, no, no, but but you can't we need that. First only been a year, but he was born Rack Obama right hand man ship. No, it's

only been a year. It's only been a year. And I'm telling you, I'm telling you right here on drink Champs I'm going to meet with President Biden and you know, I'll discussed. I like that agenda you got here. But Obama didn't have a black agenda. But I'm not unless he had. He had, he had an American agenda. We can't do that. We can't. And what I'm telling you, I'm telling you, Rep. Uh baby uh Rep. How came

Jeffreys's on? Hold on, hold on hold on the Congressional Black Caucus they all standing up clapping right now because they brought this infrastructure bill, bipartisan bill the past, and that's the Congressional Black Caucus. So obviously this infrastructure bill is affecting black people and it's benefiting black people. I'm

telling you the head of the Congressional Black Caucus. You go to her page, she's like, oh yeah, we just passed this bill and the Congressional Black Caucus is responsible for. So what I'm saying is President Biden, he's delivering. And I'm telling you he's delivering. We can't, we can't, we can't eat, we listen, we can't eat, can't, we can't do everything in one day. But I'm telling you he's deliverment. I'm you know, I'm happy that he's making moves, and

I wish that in Belize. You know, the government would do what they said that was gonna do, because they're not doing what they said that was gonna do. Joe said infrastructure, and Joe just delivering infrastructure with the Republicans supported. Because I'm not a Democrat, I'm not a Republican. I'm a moderate. I'm an mit him. I'm for whatever is best for people. I understand what Republicans say, I understand what Democrats say, and I'm for what's best for Belize

and what's best for people. Yeah. So yeah, Jesus, I give Uncle Joe the chance. You're not gonna change my mind. Kanye still my man, but Uncle Joe getting the chance. Drink to that Uncle Joe. I'm on music questions because she got real all right, How was it working with Nate Dog because you know there's so many people know I'm talking trying to remember who hit me with that song? Um behind the Wall, Yep, I got the call and did you go last? But listen, I got the call.

I'm not even I'm not even gonna hold you like that. That's Victor's that's term. You're not gonna hold you. I'm not even gonna hold you. I was not in the studio with when they're doing you never met him or did you meet him? You met him? I'm not sure if I met him, but I wasn't in the studio with him for that song. I was driving around New York City and that Bentley and god damn small sething like that. I had that six hundred, the Bentley and

the brain Drover. I don't even remember the name of that watch you got on, right, you got this the Masterpiece. This is what I got on it? Like happy, So I had the Platinum master Yeah, I had to Platinum master Piece. You got to gold joint, gold down. People don't even know what that is. Right, I had to plant in the master you got two thousand one. But I had you know right now? Yeah he was. I was outside, Oh damn my bu shopping speaking of yours,

hold on, hold on, you know, I got relaxed. But anyway, I was. I was driving around New York City and that Benyonnage and that Platinum Masterpiece. Um, and I got the call. It was like, yo, corrupt, you know what I mean? They want you. I want you to hit that remix. You know corrupt, corrupt? Is that guy that super talent, the whole cruel dog, you know what that so for me, it was like honor. It's like you got the call from them, you know. I want to give Swiss beats his flowers as well. He was like

one of the first guys that hit me. Um. When the album dropped, it was like, and that's how we ended up doing Shine, which was on his album. I forgot the name of his album, his first album, I want that drink to each of the compilation compilation. Um, yeah, has to be right. He called me for that record. That was one of the best records I ever did.

Get pulled up in the noge, you know, because Benny's was That was like thing back then again to my young African American brothers, Latin American brothers, don't spend what you don't have. Save your money, invests, grow your money, you know, don't you know, don't spend what you don't have. But anyway, back then, spending what you don't have, that was a part of the culture. Spending, not making just

every now and then, I like to do it. Man. Anyway, I was driving around the town and your Swiss call me. He made that beat, but can we play that? Dude, got the music up? You got my man already Google and other year you got the shine. Definitely pull it up. I got enough that it was crazy. What was the was all my mot Mabel women? Just shine got me? Anyway? Anyway, Swiss called me, Yeah, yeah, but it's on the Gulf. No, that's the song that he had a compilation. Yeah, anyway

to look at this, it's catalog on Wikipedia. Well yeah, so um yeah, just the record right here. Yeah, I think I thought, yeah, yeah, but that was twist. I started on Swis. Listen, I did not write this verse? What I did not write this verse? Stop? Swiss was on Fort Street between right the next street after Daddy's house studios. I went to the studio. I had the Long John's same thing that I said in the wrap. I had the Long John fitted U tupoc Timberland's our

knowledge Bentley. I went up in a joint. He made this beat and I listened to the beat for like ten minutes, fifteen minutes, the freestyle, the rap, and then I made this rap. If you said you didn't write it, I made that rap freestyle. I made that rap. I had a conversation. But your freestyle, no want wrote it for You did your freestyle. It's the way you did it. Our fans are sucking vicious, So I had to make sure there's a difference with your freestyling and writing it

in your mind. In my mind saying like J no no no. So you're trying to say you did this before JA no no No, I didn't after j J. Was you heard just listen when you love music so much and that's all you do, which was I thank God forgetting to that phase with all I ever thought about, all I ever wanted to do was make music. So it's like I was going to court. I was facing twenty five years, you know, incarcerated for something that I didn't do, for defending my friend. And you know, when

I would leave court, I would go home. I put on my you know, Thermo, my fitted my tuopop boots, and I get in my car, drive around and I go to the studio and I just have conversations on beats with with with all the big references that people give you, you don't ever see all the parallels and your guys lives with the single mother, the Caribbean, the the street stuff, that the only the only thing we have in common is we did two classic albums and

then that was it. You don't think everything else is he went Caribbean. I guess you know, Brooklyn, I guess my mom like that. He's a big part of that. He went to heaven, you know, the rest his memory forever. You went to purgatory and I went to I went to correctional facilities, you know, because it was the same. Like you know, yeah, I was. I was buried a lot, you know, but but there's so many African Americans and Latino Americans and minorities that face that struggle, you know

what I'm saying. So, so, yeah, that was a real struggle. Yeah. So so I'll tell you what, Um, not only was I excited, you know, you're my friend, like you know, I knew you for twenty years. If we go to about this battle too that you had with my song, what we talked about about that Mallory, Yes, yes, yes

that's my sister, but but my sister system. So I went through your holder discography, right and because I'm excited, you know, just because you're my friend doesn't mean I'm gonna slack on my job, right, this is my job. I gotta do it. The only thing. Hold on, hold on, we gotta take a shot to you. Okay, But because you're doing an incredible job, thank you, But this is doing right. I like you becoming as I liked on

the transition. Listen to transition to transition that you've made from you know, a rap, you know platinum artists making great records than reinventing yourself. Thank you, and being a bridge being a platform for hip hop. Thank you. It's incredible. But the only record right when I went through your holdest I really really did right, And the only record that even similar reminded me a big because now I could distinguish your voice. Back then, I didn't understand, like

I was like cool, people say signs look real. I got that names will flow. Damn, that's kind of I didn't. I didn't think it was like that. But the only record I could see that sounded remotely a little like man was the record called Their Head No, because it reminded me of Gloria from a story like that's I was. I was telling the story. I was telling the story. Yeah you know what I'm saying. But if you that's the only But if you listen to that story that

still it's crazy, No, it is, its insane. Yeah, but that story was from hanging with guys like Zip, Yes, hanging with you know, guys on the West Coast, you know, guys in Baltimore, guys in Atlanta that you know, we're really living that life. You know, rest in peace too, Anthony Wolf Jones, my brothers, the Homi. That's that's all my brother and I was the home all all the information that they were giving me. That that's what was really happening. And again that goes back, you know, to

Oliver North, goes back to Ronald Reagan. You're on conscious you know, Noriega by how does that be? So? So yeah, all that information. Yeah, you know, big meat, big beach. He olden and dirt, you know what I mean, been around. He looked young, but he was there back back in the eighties. Crack cocaine ever. Wow. So we spoke about Nate earlier, right, but you also got the record called That's Gangster. You know, I'm gonna tell a secret right now,

and I'm gonna give flowers. I'm gonna gives but not not just not just not just the d C who was the hero, and I picked every beat for the shann album. I'm I'm really the executive producers shot out. But I got that from Nahs the album I am with the Egyptian Flowership and he still had Queen's Bitch in the bat and he hit that that ain't gangster. I don't remember what the song it was that fake dogs, I don't remember what song was where he he had

a rap that said that ain't gangster. And so I took that and I said, you know what, that's gangster from Commissary and your homies gangster, that s gangster. You know what made you pick that? Called float flooded with rocks, that's gangster. So I got that from nuns. That's the plane change. You ain't flood that, you know. I'm got that head. That's the factory. Let's take a shot of that. I take the train, I fly another episode, but you got another episode. So so when you came home, you

also named the record label gang Land Records. Now the record label is Omni Belize Records. Every Thing believes any means everything you knew. I'll let us ask what everything everything? And are you interested? Let's just be clear and doing another shout out. You know Stephen Victor and I, you know, we're partners. We're doing a documentary. We're doing about let me rephrase that. We're doing a biodocumentary like biopic slash documentary. No, no,

we're doing a biodocumentary. I don't know what that means. A biogury documentary. That means a documentary about my life. Okay, yeah, we're doing a bio movie means a movie about my life. Okay, that's like n w A and we're a rescripted. We're doing a TV series about my life. So all of those three assets will be a company with albums inspired by those assets. So the TV series, we hope, you know,

that would be a couple of years. Because in Belize, Belies, there's a narco trafficking hub of you know, all of the cocaine from Venezuela, Colombia stops in Belize, going to Mexico, Guatemala, Honduras, Nicaragua. Unfortunately. Um so there's there's a lot of stories to tell, a lot of stories to tell. I definitely didn't know that. Did you get your Belie narkos Belie narcos, They got Belies Les Belies was in Narcos. We got the Belize Narcos.

But again, Belize is not gonna be known for that, right because it's gonna be known for the first rap prime. Minister putting that out there, you know, I'll be the first rap prime When when? When is the time? You know that that could happen a couple of years? You know, we don't and we just legal beliefs, right, we don't know. You took that, we don't know, and you transition that into weeds. You're a real rapper, not change. But you know, I'm I'm I'm a member of the House of Representatives

UM National Security Committee, and we just legalized weed. Yeah, so you know I got to take this opportunity to knowledge. You know, my friend um uh man, you're gonna make me forget her name with all these shots. Gloria from Washington, d C. They say glory for washing the heights. I said, I know how to not not glorious, not glorious form storia. I know how to Gloria. Gloria and my god Cal from Washington, d C. We're doing the um, We're doing

the Cannabest. They're gonna do a cannabis festival. In beliefe Um, you need smoke Champs. So let me ask you. We're gonna fly you out. We're gonna feel us, We're gonna flood you because um, you have the biggest boss there was. We gotta talk about this house representative thing though, man, okay, let's come back to that talking about we don't know.

I think, I just I just gotta established this one thing right, and then we're going to to my somebody and then we go to the House of representative problems. But the House of representative thing. But you and you locked up. You are, for lack of a better term, like we established earlier, the New York TUPAC, the industry TUPAC,

and the world's TUPAC inspired so many people. You know, cheers my little brother Game one man, Yeah, changing my little brother Game, who never shot away from talking about how much I inspired him and how much you know, I contributed to his rap career. I inspired so many people so that that the numbers again. He was the first person a depth Jam gave two million dollars in jail? Was that something? Am? I wait? A much more than

two millions? When then they game, you know, ch cheers to l a read l a read Kevin Liles three hundred Yeah, and um, but you in jail. How does this work? Do they put that in your commissary? Not how it works. They gave it to Mama Love, Mama, Mama, Mama Love. She was Mama Love getting check chears to my mother. Here's Mama Love. Mama Love got first with your mama Love. Mama Love got the first. She was every black mama there live in Belize as well. She

was born in Belize. No, she's still in the six for all the time that I was in cons read that she never worked. Wow, today she doesn't work. That's amazing. I gave gave her all my royalties, all my assets, beautiful and music, and you know, take care of her beautiful. But you know she's been through a lot. Your only chet, seeing your baby, baby a child. You put her through a lot. I was only yeah. Yeah, So everything that I give to her she deserves. You know what I'm saying.

It was funny that you broke up forty five Street, right because forty five Street. I don't know if you know when you said that, that was a student called sound on Sound. That's where we did. That's where I was we did all That's what I did. That's why I did the first song to my album U. That's why I wants you to see Big by the way. Only when survived we can people believe and get found

with their face waste. Everyone used to be like think Big was just being Daddy's house boat on low when he was going to be away from everyone, he would turn the course and go. But there's one day on Sound South, we're sitting there. We just had shots my South and then later on we filed out. It was like a junior Boflia Shine incident. That was on forty four Street, which was for very next blocks, which I

did not realize. And you know, you know, Caesar is my god all these years, all these is he's like one of my biggest supporters. And you go on this page, you can see you know, I remember when we had the Bad Boy Um reunion. He's like he was one of the first people like yo, because I performed at the Bad Boy Reunion, you know, and he was like, you know, this is history, Like this is incredible moment in the hip hop, the rock. You know, b K Rule, you know Rule. Oh my guys, you know what I'm saying.

But you know, things happen. Yeah, you know what I'm saying, things happen. But those are all my guys, and I think you know a part of it's just like you know, with me now and believes in the House who representatives. You know, I'm paying my dues. You know, I'm paying my debt. You know. That's the reason I bring Caribbean Rum. But we like I bring Belikin, I bring ninety one. I didn't even give you all of it. All the shirts yea, everything where I got for you gonna wear

other shows and everything. I'm just telling you know what I'm saying this, this is a reason because I paid my dues. I don't know who know what I'm saying. I don't know who, who's that, who's the But I paid my dues. So it's like even even with those guys, you know, sometimes you know, you don't know, you don't know what's going on. You're like, yo, I heard this, I heard that. This is a joint right here, this is you know what I'm saying. It's all right, let's yeah,

I'm gonna come to the end. But yeah, so like with that, you know, just for me, I'm gonna take this one. But if we wanted that one, you know, my guy to your Maia d Rock, what's it this grac was there? Like well, I think you know it was just miscommunication. I brought to so working for you, I'll take minds immediately. I mean, put it all right, I'm into the interview. I can't believe put it on. Put it on my hats. Yeah, I don't put it on my hand. I got a half for I don't

even have a worn a hat. Okay, you look like the Green Bay Pack. Hold on to it. I mean, oh yeah, got wrong. So was that, you know, not that that was just I think, you know, just miscommunication of you know, just not knowing you do, not understanding you know, you know, you know, just you know, but those are my guys, like the Rock is my man. We did with shots Fly was locked up together, really, I mean at the same time, maybe not the same facility.

And it's always been loved because as you got the reports, they got the reports that shine as we used to say back in that time, it is official tissue. Yeah, God bless it's my god, God blest that right. She's the Luise hold on. Let me see believes you gotta do believes. So yeah, let's talk about it. Let's go let's talk about so everybody got to go to believes.

You said you want to talk about Actually, so no, I just want everybody because before you even proceed, I mean, I don't know who's gonna get the sweatshirt, who has what I'm in? Who has better word waters, who has better waters Turks and cakeos or believes better waters. Let's be clear, Beliefs has better everything. Really, the one is everything is better in beliefs. That's the slogan. That's the slogan that I'm made up. Alright, cool, it's just throwing

just in away like a spot so good. So bottom line, this is where we're leaving with this, right, Sean Police is the best place in the world, on the planet, definitely the best place to meet, but one of the best places in the world. I encourage everybody to visit. Please this your goal is to be prime minister. What do we do? Do me? Pop jay Z, Kanye West? Nah, I have to take a boat down there, and we got a campaign. Got about the bag right, got to

change people's lives. I gotta change Stephen Victor. You know that's that's he got the bag. No, I'm just saying, no, you don't got the bag. He's giving the bag. He's getting on the PJ and he's flying to Belize on Garrett for the Sentiment Day, and he's giving away like a hundred thousand dollars. We gotta go, we gotta go. Man, He's not giving away. He's giving away for for scholarships for Armory School, scholarships for junior high, the scholarships for university.

It's called Stephen victor Um Scholarship. Fun and then you have different different shiphip. I'm gonna be honest. We got the same initiationes be as me, be as as as to be so like whatever his donation is, Little pod So. I was playing around earlier, but now I'm serious. It's the goal to make you the prime minister for real? Would this ever be that? Like you know what I mean? Like like for awesome for real? She's like, can we go? And what does the prime minister mean? The Prime minister

is the president? You know, you know what. It's lack of Joe Biden. It's all the things that you know. I compliment President Biden for doing I like to do for my people. I'd like to provide free education for my people where they don't have to go to a politician. But it's a part of the systematic UM operations. Health Care, you know, health care is still a problems. Access to health care still the problem. Minimum wage you know that the type of Yeah, we've got to raise the minimum wage.

You know. Access to housing, affordable housing, UM, it's a problem. Access to funding, um, to start your own business, you know, because if you're a poor person, you don't got no credit, you don't got no savings, you ain't got nothing. But we as a government have to customize financing for people like that. You know. Land it's very important, um. You know the caboots that yeah, you talked about. We've got

to teach our people to grow what they eat. We've got to teach our people to be self relying, even if it's animals, I mean, whatever, whatever it is, I mean to be self reliance. So we got to give our people land, you know, part of reparations. And in the when when when the man's the patient happened, the Africans throughout the Caribbeans were given nothing. They weren't given any land, they weren't giving any money. They weren't given

any housing. They weren't given anything, right. Um, So part of farming is, you know, we used to pick cotton for a slave master. We used to farm for a slave master. We need to have our own land and farm for ourselves, for our own cottony do our own things be self sustained. And that's something that I want to teach the inter city, you know. So these are all the things that I bring to the table um when it comes to, you know, leading a country. But

it's not about being the prime minister. It's about the lease. Even if I'm not the prime minister. It's about beliefs and whatever I could do to belize. Whatever I could do four beliefs, I want to do four belies. I love that shot man. You got you got anything ship? I think you covered it all. You got anything else you want to say? Because belize beliefs, beliefs. I see you guys in Belie for New Years. We want to see you. Got to be there at least I'm gonna

be there coming home and Belie. Oh that's fine. Yeah, he got a series We Go Anywhere, not anywhere. Guy, to the way you're saying, this is how terrible brother. I go to different countries, but I want to go to Belize. Yeah he got he got a lot of safe ship's. Man, this is good to Belie. You know, our children are people and believes. They just need opportunity, they just need hope. And for the last forty years

we've had politicians that are only concerned with themselves. And you know, once you have that, then you know, the people becomes canon cannibalism. You know, I got to eat. You know, my my young guy he left is in Coasa, not no Cosa was here. Yeah, this kid Coach that he produces with um Um Russian A Russian is the kid that produces for Vibes Cartel and and a bunch of the big Jamaican artists. Coast is a belief and

kid grew up in Belize. When I first went back to Belize, one of the things that I did was I had a m a listen to the session every week with studio called Height Survibes. You know my bedron called father lie Fatherly, not Father Lether. And this kid Coosa was a part of that system. You know what I'm saying. You produced for Kevin Gates, Bad Bunny, Jay Bafflin all these guys, you know what I'm saying. So we got you know, um Man bust this guy um

Ot Genesis, he's from believes. He's a guard Refunda. He's a guard refund of, just like me, you know what I mean. So you know what, We've got some some believes in stuff. Let's make some choice believes. You take a picture and do a couple of drops and yeah, thank you, thank you, thanks for joining us for another episode of Drink Champs hosted by Yours truly, d J e f N and n R E. Please make sure

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