Episode 292 w/ Big Sean

it should be. This is your boy and right what up his dj e f N and his drinks has? Motherfucker? Yeppy makes up? Right now? This brother that's here, we want to be very very clear. This brother deserved to be here. This brother um was invited here way before this other interview. So I don't want people to I don't want people to feel like, yeah, yeah, so I got so. So this is not a bottle or something like that. This is this man deserves his flowers. He

deserves to be here. He's one of the most lyrical bar lords there is. When you look at the new you know, School of Mount Rushmore. You know what I mean. He belongs there, you know what I'm saying, next to the Kendricks, the Coles and the Drake's, and his face belongs there. He's, like I said, a bar lord. He makes constant hit records. He's out on his own right now. He's he's doing. He just performed at the goddamn Lions

game and tore that ship up. Yeah. So in case you don't know the funk we're talking about, we talked about big motherfucker' shoan. So how was that on Thanksgiving for your hometown? In your hometown. That's the second time I did it, So it was beautiful. The show the hometown love is like that. Yeah, and you said, what did somebody say something? Okay, So it's beautiful and like

I said, it's my second time doing it. And the performance was cool because it's like we started in the crowd, we started and went to another part of the stage, went to another part. So the production was cool and we uh, we just had a good time. It was funny though, because when I sat in the crowd, everybody was so hype. Everybody was so live. Oh my god, oh my god. And you know they like everybody gotta

stay in your seats performance. And then when I saw it on camera, I was like, people, it was just like because I was sitting there for like ten minutes, so it was like, you know, they had to stay in their seat and not get up with me and get to go on. You know what I'm saying. But bro, it was funny. Bro It's crazy. No. Now, Detroit is

a real, real city. And when I would say that is for anybody who's never been in Detroit when I've my experiences, because I can't just drive Detroit um and in a very articulate way because I've been there, you know, not not too much, but I've been there enough to know. But when I've seen in Detroit, it's like super rich and then super poor. That's how it is everywhere. Though the Miami has a middle, Miami has a middle, we got a middle too. That's where that's like kind of like, okay,

that's that's the part I haven't seen. Like I remember me performing in Detroit. I swear to GoF one time. I don't remember. It was the Shelter, one of those stum and I remember leaving there and me driving back to the hotel and no Lights was on. I talking about the whole street Lights was was gone except for the casino that was. It had to be like early two thousands because it was before eminem it was, it

was whatever Shore, it was. It was before everything. But I remember and then I was like, just like your third album, and I remember coming back to Detroit and I remember y'all was also first on medical marijuana, Like y'all was early on that ship. Like I was like, what the yeah. I was like, yeah, And I went to some spot. It was across the street. I was eating, so I think it was saying as of cross the street and there was like a black spot. Everyone in

there had medical medical marijuana licenses. I was like earlier. So that's a classic men. You though, she'll describe Detroit for people a person that's never been there. Um, and you love your city, man, that's one thing everyone has to respect about you, like you love love your city. Everybody from the city love that city. Everybody from betray Red betray proudly, you know. Every I didn't went around the world and felt the city presence everywhere I go,

from Japan, London, everywhere, people rocking. Detroit has l a new York. You know what I'm saying, they got it. It's just like it's a city that's been through so many tough times that you've got no choice but to just be authentically who you are. You aren't trying to be nobody else. You're not trying to put on the front. You're not trying to you know what I'm saying. At Hollywood, you're just you're from the d so you you have a built in resilience. You know, the city of champions,

Lingo style. You know, they're keeping fresh everything they do, you know what I mean. And just historical you know, city that's in our DNA from you're talking about you know this is Michael Jackson. You know what I'm saying. Jackson five, you're some about to add rag. You' telling about Stevie Wonder, Marvin Gay, read the Franklin. You're talking about more time, You're talking about Jay Diller, talking about Slow Village. You're talking about race and huge impact, you

know what I mean. So it kind of got It's a city that it just breeds. That's how you know, you get a lot of money. I've seen white people walking here with pig water water case, the sign of getting money. You remember how money getting? Don't you know that? I love Fiji. I love That's my favorite, you warters, it's Fiji involved. You gotta deal with Fiji right now. No, no, you remember the first time we've seen Fiji? Ward, I

remember that the first time I've seen it was puff? Okay, No, I don't really, yeah, I don't can't remember what okay. I was like, Okay, but let's let's stick, let's sick. Let's stick with the d because right, um, it's a city Midwest, correct of course, but um it's a city. Oh damn, hold on, hold on, let me talk about the choit right now. We won't get to that. Can you forgetting about the bad boys? This is about the act I was about to ask, not the bad boys.

I was about to ask the malice in the Palace when Indiana against How old was you at that time? Did you see that game live? Yeah? No, I don'tee. I wasn't there, livy, I saw when it was happening. Okay, I'm saying you saw it live, not not being end up. I can't remember how old I was during the time of Malice in the Palace. That's ship and live, you know, like the thing that just happened with the Lakers and

the Pistons. There was about to be another malice in that was in l a which is I was in that was in it could have got the thing about it. It It was the blood, you know. You know what's funny. When Lebron first hit him and he walked over to him, I didn't see the blood. How come the blood came after they separated him. Man, that was like wrestling. That was like wrestling blood. That was all Jim tucking ship right there. I was like, all right, so so you

you did see. But I'm also I'm the creative director for the Detroit Pistons. Yeah, it was one of the many jobs. Okay, okay, that's another thing. People from the day we hustle. Right, He's like New York and you got a movie theater too. We got a movie theater too. Okay, the creative for the Pistons. It's not open yet, so we just started building. It's a it's a process, bro. We was gonna build it at another location and for guy works in mysterious ways because it didn't work out

in that location and then the pandemic happened. Movie theaters was yeah, you know what I'm saying. So it would have been worst case scenario. We opened it and it just completely fell flat as a new business. So now we got a new location that's right over on Wayne State. It's just it's so it could be hard dealing with the city sometimes, you know what I'm saying. It's like because it's right there on the campus. They're building a

bridge over the freeway. So it's like I need Wayne State to really get that, like ball moving on, keeping keep it moving, and keep it building, you know, because it's just so many steps to like that's the that's a commercial that's commercial real estate. So that's a big, big deal. And that's my first first deal like that, you know what I'm saying, where I'm actually part owner of the actual real estate, not just the movie. And what's crazy is there is no movie theater in the

city of Detroit. They all might be five minutes out of Detroite, eight minutes, but not in this that's crazy, right, hold on, hold on, I've never heard of that. We'ld have been a minute time. Yeah you went to fast with a minute? Did you just say there's no movie there in the old city. The whole city, Like all right, whoa time should be one down at the rent siting at the Renaissance Center, but they closed that down. So this is this is why it's a big deal because

I'm trying to do more than the theater. I'm trying to have it be a place for the community, a place where creatives can premier their videos, premier their independent films, have real film premiers there, you know what I'm saying. Have a place where people can have presentations, where uh like community centers, workshops, just somewhere where the people can really come together in the city. And it'd be like an entertainment hub and have you know, bowling everything else

to that a movie theater can do. I want to supposed to be the biggest screen in the world too, but it's really big, bro, But it's a lot of things. You know, you know how important it is to diversify.

So also we're starting a VC to a venture capitalist phone where we're gonna be you know, funding said, it's a virtual virtual No, but it's a it's the first of its kind because it's a um, we're doing it like you know, most venture capitalists where how traditionally RAM but we're also doing half of the funds of being in the stock market because I got the right people. The money I put into, like all the stocks and things already have already been able to double in like

a short amount of time. So I'm trying to get people the opportunity, try to tell people the opportunity to just invest. You know, it's a black owned I'm part of this company Amber that's like you ever heard of him. So it's a mug that keeps your tear coffee the same temperature that yeah, I've been sending that and um, it's also being used in the medical field, so they're using it to keep organs, you know too, for organs to travel along way and keep it the same temperature.

So that's what it's transitioning into as well. So that's one of the things Wills. I'm investing in, Uber, I'm invested in, you know a lot of things that I've been blessed to have ol gs that helped guy me in that way. So I'm just trying to pass that on and those investment you're doing them on your owner through the adventure capital from those are actually just on

my own. But you know, I'll sit with my mom talking to my homie Jerry talking with a lot of people, and it's like, we got to figure out a way to do that for the people, to give people the opportunity because that financial literacy some ship, they don't really be teaching us. Bro. Yeah that's real. Yeah, that's the furthest you're getting in school is filling out a check. That's the furthest we got you're bringing out late bringing out. So Sean, we just want you to know, like our

show was about giving people their flowers. We we we didn't we didn't make that statement up, but we made that statement famous in this game. We we wanted to tell people today face that how much we appreciate them, how much they deliver into the game and all that. So we want to give you your flowers. You know what, say I'm saying straight to straight. You know what I'm saying, Yeah, that's hard, shout out to what the flowers? Yeah you know what makes remember that? Bro? Yes, yes you know

we worked hard. Yes, yes, yes, I'd like to give you your flowers. Ship, but hold on, I want to get hold of before you get into that, Before you get into that ship. When I first met you, and remember I came up to you and I was like, yo, man, I gotta love for you. Your first album, are you know saying hunk with you? Uh? So then I'm looking at Drink Chance and you mentioned me and I was like, what the fun is he talking about? You know what's

early though? This early Drink Chance. I think when I met you, I think he was just starting it right. And I told you congratulations, but I was like, it's hard that you were able to because I want to promise, promise, but I want to I want to ask you. I'm gonna say a couple of words and I don't want you to tell me which comes to mom when you hear these, Oh you hear this? Okaya? Has you send me? Okay? Sending me too much? Okay? Finally famous? What do you

think of when you think of that? Man? I think at the parties that we threw from out of high school. That was like our click name. Finally famous. So that was the We used to throw parties in Club Blue. Anybody at the train, the Club Blue, New Playing b And we would go to Bowling Green, Michigan State throw parties everywhere around the city. And those were my first shows. You know what, I'm saying, So I started from battle

rapping in high school. Yeah, and then you know, doing the Friday Night Cipher, which was a show on the radio station during um during high school when my grandma had a stroke and that's the only reason I had a car, because she had just got a car and it had a stroke or half her body got paralyzed us. So, um, anyway,

you know, it happens, you know. Uh, but that that was gave me the opportunity to be able to get across the city so I would be you know everywhere I needed to be open mics, battle rapping and everything. So yeah, that's that's what you know, my first album, my first mix tapes. I really even though I did have obviously an amazing co sign, I really had to build that ship, you know, because there are other people who had that same co sign and still other people

got that co sign and ain't happening for them. Yeah. I really had to put in that work. It didn't feel like that co sign was over in the beginning, Like it didn't seem like it was in everybody's face, right, So you did have to work for it. Was that air like you know, right after the dedication mix tapes and like fifty mixed teams saying, um else, what's going

crazy on the mix tape circuit? Like definitely, Wayne was like you know that was what we used to ride the school listening to his dedication one dedication to you know what I'm saying, Carter and uh, that was like the mix tape error. He really I feel like helped him and jee Z to help, like really the mixape a yeah, like at least at least from my perspective, Like I could be wrong too, but like you know, no,

no, no no, you make a point. But I'm talking about because you remember that mixtape that d Piff that like you know what I'm saying, live mix tapes that was like it led into that and that was what me cole Dre wi Um we took advantage of. You know what I'm saying, Okay, And Kendrick I believe he had mixed tapes. I believe what I'm saying about. Definitely, Yeah, Hall of Fame second album, what are You learning? Process?

And I would do with with no idea. All my albums was just like reflections to where I was had in life. You know That's why I'm asking. Yeah, And that was just it was fat. Everything was just moving so fucking fast. That was my first time where I was listening to people saying like, you gotta hurry up, you gotta hurry yet you had to drop this, We

need to catch the date. Yeah, that's that's the only him that I was rushed on, because I also dropped my Detroit mixtape, which I consider is one of my best albums too, and I dropped that both of those at around the same time, and I just felt the pressure of like it was one of the times one wasn't considered the album, considered the mixtape the mixtape, but it was an album. It was called original Music, you

know what I mean. And through death jamma as well, right, well, no, no, no, but I'm actually putting that on streaming services like in the next week or two. So really, yeah, it was

a long fucking process, like trying to clear everything. But uh so that was a time where I was trying to keep up with the pace of like, okay, I had you know, back to back to back platinum singles, my first album is going you know, and then the mixtape, and then that was around the same time that Click dropped with me hoping yeah and all the good music,

the cruel summer, you know what I'm saying. So then everybody like you gotta strike, you gotta her if you gotta hurry up, and it's like that is definitely uh was a learning process of like, Okay, you gotta be on your schedule. She's not ready. It's not ready, you know what I'm saying. Not to say it wasn't ready,

but I definitely was rushing during that process. You know, Okay, how about Dark Sky pad So, dark Sky Paradises where I took my time, Okay, where you learn your face change you look so like I don't learn like so much. He wants come on, you know, show with the rock show, but for you, we're gonna let the forty two come on. Yeah yeah Black Bay okay, yeah please please. All this is black hip hop business, right all this you know,

ain't that beautiful? That's a beautiful thing. That's a beautiful damn. But yeah, So Dark Sky Paradises where I like, uh, somebody gonna for this shot? Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, he come on yes yeah. Um. So that's just where I applied everything I learned, and you know, so I got I got a lot of stories with that we could

come back to it. So it's this the time where you're sitting back and you're saying, you're taking your career into your own hands, or we still got you know, these executives that's involved and things like that, how does this work? It was definitely if you involved. If you signed to any label, it's executives involved, but it's just about how much they involved. This is the first time where I was like really producing, knew exactly the type of music I wanted to make, you know, the people,

the features I wanted to have. I was just clear on it, you know, because that's where I was at in life. It was my first time where I was like, Okay, I got some ship to prove again, you know. And ever I get in that position, it feels like that I always stepped rise to the occasion, you know what I'm saying, And that was one of the first times

that I felt like that. You know. I did feel like that when I was making a D trait mixtape too, and with Dark Sky Paradise, you know, it was just a divine thing how everything was unfolding, all the features was happening, like from blessings that that came at the very last secon I feel second, you know what I'm saying, and from one man could change the world. That was probably one of my favorite songs on the album because I wrote that about my grandma. And when I say man,

I just mean like human being. You know how they referred to man in the Bible as a human you know, man woman. But so you know, she was one of the first female black captains in World War Two. She was one of the first female police officers in Detroite. After that, she became a teacher of counselor. She was completely bossed up, you know what I'm saying, And um, I dedicated that song to her. But my favorite song on the album's Paradise. That's the That's one of the

ones on that one for me. How about I decided, I decided that's might be one of my favorite I'm trying to say that's my favorite album. I'm done. I thought just gonna say, finally, Famous or Hall of Fame is your favorite album? Okay, yeah, yeah, okay, but it's still my favorite though, you know, because it was crazy said that as well. When I listened to the Hold of Fame, I don't feel like this rushed at all. But but I'm saying I'm outside of looking at another artists.

So like when people the fans that come up to me they love Melviourne Flint, and I'll be like, yo, man, I just hated where I was at in life when I made that album, so I could never appreciate it like how they appreciate it. But I decided where were you at? Yeah? So and again, uh well, okay, let's talk about I decided. I decided. I had a dream. I remember telling calling one of my niggas up, and I had a dream that I was an old man and had regretted everything I did wrong in life. I

straight up had a dream like that. Bro, Wait, hold on, So you had to dream that you were old man like he was. Actuality make it to be an old man. That's a blessing. Success, that was a blessing. So how could you say that because I couldn't saying he regretted it because I couldn't remember anything that happened. I was old and couldn't remember. That's what That's what it is.

Yeah yeah, So I was like, what, I can't remember anything I did, So I just remember feeling that way for like a few days and I told my boy and he was like, that's a fire concept for like a short film or something. Wow, he's a director, Wow. And Mommi Lawrence. And then as I was getting in the studio, for some reason, the energy just transferred into

the studio, you know. And that was kind of the whole overlying concept for the album is like living life with the wisdom of your older self, but coming to it as a you know, approaching it as your presence self. You know what I'm saying, because all you really got us that moment. So that that was my That was for I decided how I was feeling at the time. You know, I'm double enough with metro Booman, that was

just straight fun fun. Yeah. I was in Atlanta, so I thought that was like a mix tape at first, but it seems like they counted as an album. Now that was a mix tape. It's a mixtape. Count on mom with motherfucking contract. Let me be quiet. Put this album? Yeah, because I also did your name and that was an album, not an album. That's not an album, but damn put it out. Hey, bullshitn't me? Yeah, you gotta go to some accounting, Okay. With Double let's go. Um just what

you said, Yeah, Metro, that was just fun. Bro. We was like in Atlanta. That was my like just moving and that was the first time that Okay, I wanted to work with the producer solely and he was just like, don't think about it, just going there and laid it down like a lot of those everything on there. It was just like you know, I usually go back, I usually listened and it was just like recorded, done out.

So if you were the album with Metro helped you with the album with hit Boy that you just dropped right, Well, that was an EP two two. That's only like five or six songs. Yeah. So my last album is Detroit To. Okay, Yeah, that's that's my last one. Detroit Too. Oh yeah, so we was that let's le's let's get it to that. Yeah, where I was at Detroit To. That was my fifth album. So let me ask you a question. You know how

it is making albums? Yes, I do so, Like it's a difference when you get to your first album, when you get to your second album, when you get to your third album and you do a project on the side after your third album, and then you come to your fourth album and then you go to another project that you do that's you know, not an album, and you come back. So it's like I was overwhelmed. Not overwhelmed block, more like life blocks, more like fucking tired.

That's real. You know what I'm saying. You get tired. It's like that's real. And I had just moved into this like crazy crib in Beverly Hill. God bless you be well. I saw, I saw the crib. Now, yeah I sold it. Didn't you live next to because it was like that, did you live next to college at one point? Yeah? He sold his. He's older too, got them. Let makes That's what you're supposed to do as a

black man in America. You're supposed to buy land and either keeping and keeping in your family or get a good deal and sell that and keep that in your family too. But uh, staying in l A. You're not moving out of l A, right, I stay in Detroit? Okay, yeah, okay. I had the Detroit crib first and foremost. That's why I brought my mom, my grandma right because she died. That was the first thing I did. That was my

first big purchase. So Detroit to so Detroit to um, I grew out as a person, bro, because you know, I went through the real nigger ship, like when you go through let me let me scratch that I go. I went through real people people ship, you know, and that's like learning to deal with how you feel. You know what I'm saying. I'm not a I don't be heavy into like drugs and ship. That was a point in my life where I did experience Like Molly, I was auDA, you like to be focused. You're focused, okay, An,

that's motherfucker's want to study? Yeah, he focus? You want to be focused? Yeah, And I started I was starting to feel like I couldn't function without the ship, So you know, I gave it up, right but and had to get back on my just relying on myself. And I come from a parent I have two parents, my mom and my dad, but you know, mainly my mom who taught me a lot of things. She taught me how to manifest my life. She taught me earlier on how to meditate. She taught me early on that God

is our creator and you. God is within you, and you have the powers of God to create and manifest the things that you want in life. You know, she taught me that early on, she she gave me books asking it It's Given by Estra and Jerry Hicks and Seven Spiritual Laws and Success with by Deepak chokra Um. What you think of me is none of my business, all these different books that I read, because the first time I ended up feeling like the first time I

ever got depressed was when I graduated high school. Graduated high school with the three point seven g p A was been ahead to college with everybody else. But that was that was around the time I made you right, So I met you, but you was depressed. Let me tell you so I was. I You know, I have the classic rap story where I raped for you. He hears me, he sees the potential in me and ends up signing me a couple of years later. You know

what I'm saying. But within that couple of years, when I graduated high school, I had a full scholarship to college. You know what I'm saying. I turned down because off of going off of the word and not athletes like scholarship, no academics. Wow, that's fine. Yeah, smart smart, let's make some Paul is smart? Smart like that too? Can get you nothing? Yeah, yeah, come on, come on there salute. Yes, that's why I got damn cool. I can't tell you so hold up, so let me tell you so, but

hold on how much you want you to? Let you know, I'm gonna start bragging about you because um yeah, I'm off top and be like, I don't know what nigger that got an academic scholarship that off there Like I'm just like, yeah, yeah, that's gonna be the second who I'm like, yeah, rapper, Yeah, I'm gonna start bragging about you. I'm sorry, I'm sorry, man. I hope you keep me permission, but Detroit to let's you know, uh, height everything is

just a technique. I had a good technique of what happened to do my school work because that mean I could go do the rap ship. I mean if I if I was sucking up at school, I couldn't go to the studio, right, I couldn't go do the Friday night cipher. And that's how much I love doing That's how much I love just making music. Being able to go out and do all that. You know what I'm saying. It gave me life and I treated it like it

was a job before it was a job. You know what, I'm saying, so graduated high school new every day, right in high school brown, right with my my boy tone. I'm telling them, like man, when we sell out the palace, like I've already seen it in my head, like this rod Us which was driving. Oh so you know, I told you my grandma had a stroke and I ended up driving her car. So she had just brought a brand new christ the Sea Bred. So that was the first car I had. I got into a crazy fucking

car accident. I was skipping school, ironically, right with the g p A right there with a high GPS. Was with my girl at the time, skipping school and the snow got into a crazy car accident. Got caught up in my lie because I'm telling my my mom, I'm somewhere else. I'm on the whole other side of town. I got into a fucking crazy accident. The whole car is total. Somehow I climbed out the window and nothing out with me, just a bruise, pinky, you see what I'm saying. And you know, um, then I ended up

getting a new, brand new Impola. Insurance money came in and my grandma was like, what car do you want? So she added a couple of a couple of g's on it. You know what I'm saying. I ended up getting a brand new Inpola. Man. You know it's crazy Impola. Everywhere else in the world is fly but New York City straight up, because they cop cars in New York.

So everyone yeah, but y'all don't get out. And there was the slider those was like the slider cars, you know what I'm saying, like the Marauders, the you know, the Impola's, So you got the impots. Take it from there, Grandma who hooked it up to Grandma's I've ever met I'm talking to I can tell you a captain in World War Two, and you know what I'm saying, like, you can't even tell me otherwise, you know. So anyway, she I mean them Pola, you know. And she respected me,

and I respected her. She respected that I was trying to do something productive. You know what I'm saying, because I have family members, I have friends, everybody who was doing everything that that I didn't want to do. They was selling this, doing that, getting locked up doing what you're saying. You're a rapper. There's no one else that you could relate your story to, right because it's only

Eminem at this time right now from from Detroit. And let's just be clear, there was more than I mean at the time I said, I'm saying even at the time, No, I'm telling you, I mean there's local rappers, you know what I'm saying. It was a lot of people doing their thing from the city that I respect the honor, but not on the level. Eminem was the only one to be a global on that loved are from Detroit.

But but that's what it around. Proof had been doing the c too, like I mean, it seems relatable to them, but they had their own lanes too. Yeah. Yeah, So anyway, let's take it back. I had the Impola, you know what I'm saying. That's the car I had in high school.

And uh, I forgot what the funk we was talking about now Detroit to he's trying to wrap up Detroit, you how anyway, anyway, anyway, let me tell you so I graduated high school, throw away the scholarships, concentrate on the music and the ship not going nowhere, Kanyee and don seeing everybody. You know what I'm saying, they're moving, they're doing they don't thing because you know, you're artists. He they tried, they were touring. They're not getting back

to me. I don't know what the funk going on, and I gave up everything I had going for myself, you know what I'm saying. So I'm staying in the same room that I've been sleeping in from my whole life. Everybody, all my friends off the college up in Michigan State, you have them bowling green, all these different places, and I'm sucking. I'm like, damn, I'm feeling like ship. That was my first battle with depression, and it felt like

I was stuck. Months would go by. I would go visit my friends in school and they'd be like, man, he might as well just came to school. So what's up with your deal man? You're getting a record deal? Like what then? And you didn't You didn't drop a record at this I was trying to, but it wasn't doing ship, you know what I'm saying. So you know, actually I didn't. I'm I'm tripping now, I take that back. I didn't drop a record, but I just was relying

on This was another lesson I learned. Relying on the record deal to come in from me. It taught me to get proactive instead of instead of reacting, you know what I'm saying. It taught me to be proactive. So I'm like, Okay, what the fund can I do? And that's when my mom introduced me to these books, these methods, these meditations, these different things, and okay, I was like, I started small. I started with realistic goals, was writing

them down every day, meditating every day. I had a discipline, you know what I'm saying, because I realized, obviously you where you lack at in life. If it rather it's a talent or something, you make up for the discipline. That's what you gotta do. So I just was like, if I don't have this record, do I'm gonna get this ship anyway I can. So I'm meditating every day, writing goals down, making vision boards, doing all this stuff. And then you know, I get a word back from Yeah,

and they end up sending me some beats. And I already had new songs because I was productive in the studio. I was and putting them out because I didn't really know how to put them out, you know what I'm saying. At that time, I was selling seats around high school, you know, So It's like I didn't really know, I like, how to even upload anything to the internet like that, you know what I mean. So yeah, I gotta circuit around the city. But that's it. You know, it kind

of stopped there. So then I'm sending you know, don C, Kanye, everybody these um songs. They're getting back to me. And as time goes on, As time goes on, I just saw the record deal coming through bro. The record deal got sent in, and I remember I got it immediately, got a lawyer, you know, a new lawyer, and it was one of the happiest days in my life. I signed it. But that's when I knew the real work started. I didn't get lazy. That's when I started even getting more.

I'm like, okay, I need a team now. It's like, okay, now I need a team for promotions. I need to It gave legitimacy to because we was already throwing the parties around town at the colleges, the finally famous parties. It gave me a legitimacy to be like, your niggers need to focus on me right now because I'm trying to take it to a place where we can all you know what, I'm saying, do this ship, and they understood,

you know what I'm saying. And there are times when I fell back and we focused on another person in the group for a different you know, if it was a an event we were doing for somebody like. And that's that's one of the things I learned, is when to fall back, when it be at the front of something, when to be a team player, and when to be a leader, you know what I mean. And that that was the first time I was like, Okay, I see

I need to be the leader now. So anyway, I got a record deal and put the songs together and started putting out mix tapes and just building my fan base organically. So that's what because because you know, we're seeing that we're here. Is that how we started with Detroit too, the especial minded you here. Okay, so let

me take you back. I was saying, that was just my first time going through a tough time right where I had to deal with, you know, feeling you know, depression, you know, having to really concentrate on my mental health. So come go back to Detroit too. I'm in a place where it's like, okay, all this ship I ever wanted to do. Fast forward to that. You know, um I got you know, I always wanted the platinum album. I had a couple of platinum albums at this time.

I always wanted to have a song on the radio, had a lot of songs on the radio. I always wanted to buy my mom a cred bought my mom a creed. So I did all these things, and then I was leaving your goal, I said, completed my goals. Yeah, and I and and when my grandma dad. I'm in the backbone with my family, right, So why was I feeling sucked up? But why did I feel the way I was feeling. I wasn't happy? Why then I wasn't happy? I didn't know. It didn't make no sense to me.

So I had to reevaluate myself and step away from everything I was doing and get to know myself again, you know. And that was what that was a challenge for me, because everything I was doing was linked to my career, linked to what I was doing, linked to the people I was with, whether it was a relationship, whether it was uh, just my friends, whether it's like I didn't know how to I didn't even know what the funk I liked anymore like that, you know what I mean. I got to that point because I was

so all my free time went to work. I didn't know what my hobbies was. I didn't know what I like to do. You know what I'm saying. I just tried. I had to try it. I went skydiving. Not to cut you off, but you know it's crazy. One time I'm speaking to l L right and I'm like, yoh, why the fund are you so balanced? L L would tell me, he said, he said, because in between albums

they always told me I failed. I mean, if you look at l L's career, one of his albums with platinum, the next one when gold, which is a success in anyone else's world, But to him, they would go back to him and say, your last one went double platinum, like so this, So it was crazy. So he had a certain balance to him, which was crazy. But let me ask you a question, because I heard you got photographer fire because they took pictures of Beyonce and jay Z.

It's this true, No, it's just true. But something it something like that, you're photographer took a phony a picture of and and he got fired. This is crazy, photographer, huh. He wasn't a photographer, and it wasn't he didn't take a picture of jay Z and Beyonce. Okay, okay, let's what's get into this tweet. What happened? Okay, let me go back to that. Let me think we were out working. So he works for you, he used to work for you friends? Okay, and what did he do? What? You

know when you hire your friends for everything? When you think your first getting it going, Yeah, we at least we got control now. But then but you have to figure out the friends that are actually good at some of them be like what are you doing? Wait? Still this opportunity? So anyway, I don't want to tell this story, play him on black man, Oh, I don't want me. Here's the thing. I know it's a funny story, but it's like he's a real person. Man, I don't kept

seeing this. You could, you could tell it, but so I won't say his name. That's great, that's a great thing. That's a great This ain't no media training. This is a real So anyway, I mean, we're down there working on my beautiful dark Twister fantasy in Hawaii's is it? Maui? Do you remember a part of Hawaii yeah, it was the mainland. I love Hawaiti. I've been at every damn island I've been. I've been, um yeah yeah. So anyway, we're working there, that's a special studio. I'm out there

just playing my role. But I brought my man's with me, just you know, in case I needed anything. He was gonna help hold me down. You know, if it's like, bro, you in the studio working, I grab you some food. Yeah, holding me down, you know what I'm saying. So Hawai, you know, and it's good to just have a support system. It's good to have one of your homes there when you're trying to you know, you're trying to contribute absolutely.

So anyway, I'm in the studio, it was me and Hole and I don't I'm not a nigger who even then, I wasn't like trying to be thirsty or like sneaking fucking picture. I mean, I'm in here just taking it in mentally, you know what I'm saying, Come on, like, who's not gonna lit until you know? I was. I don't know, homies, that just leading to anyway, he ends up taking a picture of all of us in the

studio and he's not in it. He just takes a sneak picture, didn't tell me, ends up tweeting it and like he just picked up on like all hip hop and you know things like that like that, and um, I don't know who saw it, but it got to like either yeah or whole's attention and it came at me and they thought it was me because it didn't make any sense because it's like I wasn't really even on at that time, and it was like Kanye jay Z, Beyonce, Big Sean, like people like who is Big Sean? It

looked like I planned this ship right anyway. Communication can save the nation. Because when we talked about it, like I told him, I was like, I don't even know what the fun you're talking about, But who's calling you and saying this I'm in the studio? Yeah, okay, He's like bro. He was like I explained to him who it was, and he was like you gotta fire him. He was like, we we all done this. We've hired the people you know that we love and do this and this and this ship. But people was mad at you.

People was mad you're talking about me, he showing me. People was mad at you thinking that she was being thirsty and it was your man's. So I told him, I'm like, I'm in a position where it's like ship yeah and hold saying you gotta go. I'm sorry, bro, we gotta figure out some others something else, you know what I'm saying. But ended up being a blessing in the skies. He ended up transforming his life and being probably way more successful than he would have been just

uh in in a position he was in. Yeah, he ended up being a teacher, ended up and impacting a lot of people's lives and and doing amazing, wonderful things. You know what I'm saying. Dope, shippe before we get in the quick time with Slim, right, you just that's that's a game. Okay. I don't know how there gonna edit this ship, but we're gonna go back to Detroit too, Okay, yes, alright, no problem, We don't really we just kind of we kind of let you do whatever. I think you should

take another shot. I don't think you're taking on the shot. Could really turn up take it on the shot solttlegaso. Right, let's go tell him I bet him the last time. Sorry, So yeah, I met him the last time STU got great energy. M hmm. Everybody around me do I'm an energy you know how that ship called like I can well, yeah, my energy whisper wore like I could just be able like this guy got good energy to So I'm just trying to figure out what's next creatively, because I don't

want to make the same music I made before. I don't want to do the same show. I'm trying to change it up. And I had grown as a person, like I said, around Detroit too. That was the time where I was going through a low point mentally. I had to rediscover myself right. So the music kind of reflects a lot of that, you know what I'm saying. Even a song with nit with deep reverence then I got there in my notes what I'm saying, Uh, that was something we started before um he left us, you

know what I mean. And it was somebody to finish after he was gone. And that was you know, that was kind of like a it was a it was something that I was kind of like not really trying to do honestly. You know. Hit Boy was the one who was like, no, Bro, you gotta you gotta finish this for bro, you know, because I didn't want to look like I was trying to take advantage of nothing. He was like, no, you're paying respect, Like bro, fucked

with you. You know what I'm saying. It When I talked to Sam about his brother, when I talked to everybody around it, it was like okay, yeah, yea yeah, talking about Black Sam. Yeah and everybody. They was like, no, like this just hard. You know what I'm saying. To finish it off, I did because on that record you actually say something like nip passed away or something like that. Yeah yeah yeah, but you had nips verse on there.

Yeah yeah go ahead, yeah, so um yeah, I mean that was just that was That was that, And that was a song where I was reflecting a lot on just like a lot of ship we'd be going through. You know. When you listen to that and songs like Lucky Me, songs like uh, the whole album, it's just it's something I'm really proud of. That's something I really I put my heart into it. Songs like a guards your Heart all that type ship. Man. It was just like a beautiful, beautiful album from me front to back.

I'm super proud of. And that was my back to back to back number one album. That was my third number one. God damn make some noise for that. So we knew you. Look, that was the same week Takasi dropped, and everybody was like, oh, it's a cassy about that. And then we ended up doubling that, you know, we ended up doubling what he so so that but at first good at first their projections, So it's not like that,

you know. Um yeah, because you love your city so much, I just want you to say one thing about this one person that we bring up. People want to do Kuicktom with slime and they're gonna get into the real ship. Okay, all right, I'm gonna start with you. What about it, Big Sean, Yeah, say one or two things about yourself, just real fast. Got got a whole law in it. Okay, shows a different path than everybody else from my city. Okay, unapologegetically was myself no matter what Eminem God them see

what God them see, guardom see. Okay, I'll accept that side of baby Wild as a motherfucker. Wow, there's a mother Wild. There's a my talented as a motherfucker. I'll take that proof. Legendary, legendary, feel like he I feel like he helped inspire him a lot, you know what I'm saying. I feel like he was on who really brought deeps well together as well. I feel like he was the backbone of that seems like you know what I mean. I feel like he was cold lyrically you

listened to them proved versus cold. Yeah, that was the home trick trick the Protector. I love that. The Protector remind me to give my trick tricks. Yeah, Danny trick trick man he is. That's the home at home you don't play. That's the home they don't play. That's all we're gonna say. You're home. Yeah. Um Danny Brown uh so animated, animated and authentic. Yeah, I like that. Where's the Part nine rap guy? Just like Eminem I love that day Globe originator style. She got that. She a player,

you know what I'm saying, and just a trend setter. Yeah. Big hurt, he said, big hurt. Oh, big hurt. Bad um o g o g uh. Somebody who really liked took that, like he took the city up. Like some of his ship was just like our our our background music, our anthems. You know what I'm saying we were out to school too for show Obi Trice. Respect to Obi Trice. He had a he got a crazy story. You know what I'm saying. You know that, No, I don't really know.

He got shot the head and everything I heard about that. But ob Trice is more than welcome to be on drink Champ. Yeah, so would you would you were two words you have about old you? Uh? I forgot what I said, but I think he's uh, he got a crazy story and I said that he animated, animated and just you know he did this, he did this thing. He represented the D two everything doing what we try. You want to welcome to come up with a Blade ice Wood recipe print, But yeah, you can't mentioned blade

without street Lord Wind. Uh who was my who's my o G? And somebody who took me in before the budgets came in where I was recording in his studio and you know, while he was fighting a federal case and everything. So he he gets all my respect, street Lord Wind, Street Lords, Blade ice Wood, Um, Blade ice Wood was the first get a superstar from from the city. Am I wrong? Period? How about? And then I believe this is the last one I got. No don't come on, okay,

Jay Diller, Jay Diller, he is like the architect Jay. Yeah, of course goes without saying. I mean where would we wouldn't have a wh who all the producers. I feel like everyone got something from Ja Deller, Timberland, Kanye for real. He definitely Yeah, the whole movement, the whole sound of a lot. Yeah, just good chops, the unrealistic chops. People don't even know that it's inspired by Jay Dillers. He's a got Okay, King Gordy in my bag right now.

So my man's used to about energy, about energy, I told you about my man's used to work for King Gordy. Let's talk about it. Uh, King Gordy, motherfucking worst. He would chop them words up man and King Gordy motherfucking flows crazy. Yeah. Um, your brother too. Yeah, you ain't here a group with your bro. Yeah the factulous. Yeah. So I'm talking about I'm digging deep. But I mean I'm just showing you I got, you know, real, real detraining.

That's what I mean. From the beginning. That's still with me, you know, Okay, cash it doll. Uh, she's like the Detroit Queen Princess queen right now. I've seen her baby showers somewhere. It looked so beautiful. I've never had the pleasure of meeting cash Off. My wife is here, somebody call make sure she's good. She's good. I've never had the pleasure of meeting cash Doll. But um, I've seen her baby shop. Made me want to have a baby immediately. Wow,

do you have any babies? Yes, I'm loaded. Let me say something about Cash Doll. I say, like Princess the Queen, because she is a queen. But it's like I feel like she's still growing into like her startom, you know, Like I'm like, how a princess was? I feel like there's more for her to grow. Yeah, I feel like musically she you know, she was on BMF going crazy on fifth Show. Okay, and yeah, I think she got

a long career ahead of her too. That's my that's my mother, fucking I love I love that bizarre bizarre. Um what just say words a boy A couple of words whatever I thought you're gonna say? Bizarre, Like if he's gonna keep very quotable his his his verses on D twelve or like very like when you when if you ever been to a D twelve show, you know what I'm saying. I saw him one time and it was like I was wrapping a lot of bizarre weirds, you know what I mean. Funny as a mom, Funny

as a mom. He got rest to piece bis mall. That's like Bis long lost cousin and somewhat. You know, I'm a big bis Momman. Forty two Dug, It's not forty two, it's four too, That's what I mean. Yeah, that's important though, to make sure you don't edit that out. People call him forty two Doug, and that's not what it's four two four two does not like nineteen forty two. Were just on the at the fucking Pistons game and he dropped fries right Kay, number one draft pick ran

into him, That's what he said. I turned my head real quick. I didn't he might have ran into him. I don't know. He was like, man, Kay did this, Like okay whatever. So anyway, he dropped the fries on the fucking on the wood. I knew it. You know, when you see something that's about to happen and it don't happen, it's like if a motherfucker can't sitting down with the cup filled up to here and moving around. You're like, yeah, so I knew that. I knew that

was gonna happen. But yeah, you know, he's just here. He um, he doing it. You know, he going crazy. I got love for Doug he off thing and he he original. I ain't never heard nobody rap like him. Okay, have you know yeah, I don't know to pronounced this. He sham be sean before your time out. I'm but no, but okay, go ahead, Wait how many more are you gout? Bro? I'm gonna skip through some of that. A he's looking at that way too much, okay. Baldy James, Body James,

Baldy James. Yes, yes, Boldy James. You gotta say these names, right man. You gotta dyslexic everyone everyone knows what dyelexic. Lyrical assassin and he's Grizel though, right, he's Grizela. Yes, yeah, he was on. I put everybody, not everybody, if I put a lot of people from the city on one song, um on Detroit to the Friday Night Cipher because that was the show I went to every week. So I was just bringing that aesthetic back, you know, for the album.

But yeah, he was on there going crazy. But yeah, like you said, he you know, he'll be doing his ship with Alchemis when they link up that ship leaping. You know what I'm saying, shout out there, shout out iceword vezo. I don't know if he on a this,

I got a whole bunch of ships. But I'm gonna come. No, no, no, no, no, let me tell you Somethinghout out ice Work Vessel because me and ice Work Vessel been through a lot, and and he he didn't did his time and everything, and um, he was mad at me honestly because you know, at first, like personally because he wasn't on that cipher song. But the cipher song wasn't intended everyone from Detroit on it. It wasn't. But that's see, that's not what the point was.

I wasn't trying to put everyone in from the hat on that. It was just a cipher song where I was putting people from the city on there, but not everybody. And that's what I was trying to explain to him. But he a real not only is he a real street and he just a real he's a real man. And he understood, and we we hashed it out like it wasn't even nothing to hashot. But we talked about it and communicated like grown men supposed to do. And he doing his motherfucking thing right now. So I got

love for ice work, vessel, ice up records. You know, Peasy, you can't you can't talk about you trying to talk about Peasy, can't talk about baby face Ray, he got a trying to do my interview right now. Okay, how about a black milk oh Ship. He like hip, he like authentic Detroit hip hop. All do it like he? You know how he's like a rapper producer that like before that term was even so widely used so much. You know, he was rapping, making his own beast rapping

and just crazy. Yeah yeah he been ill. Yeah, Okay, this make some noise for that. God damitall. It just made a show turns up. This is where we play quick time with slime. We give you a choice. I wasn't quick time with Slim. Let me just say something. Let me just tell your something. I'm gonna be honest. You know I do. I do research when I do these interviews. And one thing for short, two things for certain. The biggest trait that I love about you? Is you

loving your city? Uh so that's the be while your city, right, I love my city, but I'm just not gonna lie. Um, yeah, I love my city. Man. Yeah. But but here's the thing. A lot of a lot of people who we see love the city, right, they die, They get taken out

of the right saying. I saw your clip with Dol, saw your interview with them, And what I want to ask you is when, um, what you're to pun die kind of obviously remember the time, but maybe it might be hard to pinpoint the year, but that's not important. What I want to ask you the question is I went to high school with um, Dolf's wife. It was just one of my homies. You know, we had a couple of classes. We grew up in the same neighborhood

from Detroit. Authentic, you know. Um, I didn't know her after high school, but when high school she was solid, you know what I'm saying. And when Dolf died or when Nipsey died, you know, people be I hate when I go on the Internet and see another rapper died or bullshit like that, because more than that, they the

pillars in their community. They pillars and they hood right, So when I what I wanted to ask you is when Pun died, didn't feel like like was it a similar energy like when Nip died when when darf went like, how was it or was it different back then? You know what I mean. No, it's definitely wasn't different. It's Pun Pun dime was different for me. This great question, and I don't think I've got to asked that question,

especially not on this platform. Um, when Pun died was different because it's funked up for me to say, it's gonna sound so crazy. I'm used to it being a shootout. I'm used to it being the driver. I'm used to it being uh, you know, a stabbing like you know, I remember going to Punt's casket and everyone had like fifteen minutes at Punt's casket and I was standing there, I was sitting down. I was frozen and I just froze.

So I didn't know if I was there fifteen minutes or twenty five minutes or thirty minutes, I didn't know. But I remember all the terrost car coming up to me. I'm saying, he's not in pain no more. So I was like in pain, like what like I almost was offended that they told me that, Like, what do you mean in pain? Because I've never seen Punt in pain. But what I realized. What I realized was Pun was an acting in front of me. Me and him was friends, so when he was in pain, he never showed it

to me. So it would be times when we'll be talking, just like how me you right now, we're all talking and Pun will fall to sleep. So he was Ye. So I used to think I was boring. Ye, I heard that I heard on stage one time. Fun Oh, I just I don't know about that, but I'm talking about me and him just conversing, so I just think it was me. I was like, all right, let me step my story up a song, like because I don't want to motherfucker falling asleep on me. And what I

didn't know about KNOCOLEPSI. I didn't know about sleep apnea. I didn't know about none of that ship. So that's the reason why Punt is hit a little different, because Puns really could have been just like Nipsey and just like um who else were were talking about? For god, Dolf,

just like Dolf Um. I actually like literally told Dolf you know, and I really took a liking to him, and he really took a liking to me because I was like his first interview where I didn't bring up, you know, the opposition, the other side that he was supposed to be beefing with. So if you look at the whole interview, I'd never bring that up. So when the interview was done, you know, he walks up to me and e F and he goes, thank you all,

and I'm like, you know, we're doing our job. But he's like he really understood what we what we we're doing by not bringing up that because it would have I don't know. I don't know because I don't know where this situation is at now. And I'm sure you understand what. But one of the things I wanted to say though about that, because they just feel like lately it's been tragedy after tragedy after fucking traghicy. Do you think being a rappers the dangerous drop in America? I

think one of them. I think being a human being is. But yeah, the forest, but yeah, I mean every of course it is. It is because everything is amplified. And but let me say something though. When I saw the Snoop Dogg interview, and he was talking about how when he rapped about being on a murder case, he was up on trial for murder. He said, that's the first time I saw my words. Yeah, manifest and as human beings, we had a power to create anything, right that we want.

We are a guy body. Right. It's like when we say we when we broke and then we talked about we being rich, Yeah, rapped and then actually, yeah, I talked about being on mail rolls before I even stepped foot on mail roads or going on Yeah, okay, that's going on shopping spreezes before I went on shopping spreee. Like, you know, goddamn, let's let's go. Let's let's go. What I'm saying Snoop saying he wrapped about murder and was on trial for murder. Okay, So what I'm saying is

we don't want that type of case. No, we don't. But what I'm saying is as people and as rappers or musicians, our voices get amplified as it does. So you know, like you said, when we wrap about things like that, are buying our parents the house, are buying our you know, grandparents, you know, whatever, taking care of our family. All the things we wrap about when we rap about the all those other things though that we

rap about. I hate it when it manifesting that attractions to a I hate it when it manifesting that way. I hate it when motherfucker's rapping about that ship and in it happened. And that's one of the cases that I see happen over and over, and I wonder if artists will be more conscious to that. You know, I don't know like I loved I loved um when you rolled up. I love the fact you know a lot of us, like you know, get to a certain level player.

I don't need security. I'm gonna tell you, man, you know places that you go as wild places, keep yourself security, Like don't don't go a lot of places without security. Yeah, but don't let people get you, man, keep keep that. So this is leta. I'm gonna keep it rid on. I'm one of those peop But I go to like the fucking movies by myself. I do. I'll just be going out and just like I like having I like having that. I like having that a long time. But I'm gonna just keep it real with you. I'm not

a straight nigger like that from the streets. But that's something that I chose not to be a part of necessarily. And who we did is in brent Wood or something like that, only brent Wood. Don't be going over locker, just tell you all right. So look, it's called quick time or slim, So if you pick both being political being politically correct because you know, we all got friends in hip hop. So if I asked you a question, yeah, so we all drink. So you take a shot. So

this is the shot. Did you take not? That's your drink. But it's called quick time or slim, so it's just one or the other, or you can pick both. You pick both, you take a shot, but neither you take a shot. Okay, clear, and you know we're pushing. You know what I'm saying, be under contract, we up to my den or vote people in the building, Surkan building everything. Okay, So Dracer Wayne Wayne, Oh that was easy, scar Face of ice Cube. You take a shot. Wait, hold on, Okay,

I gotta think about this. I was pushing to doo much on that song. And just to be clear, Drac or Wayne, because it would be no Drake with I. Wayne. So you've went Wayne, I forgot I went Wayne, Okay, yes it makes sense, um, Cube or scar Face, Scarf, you can take a shot. You gotta make it that hard. I love we gotta love both. No no, no, no, no no, I'll choose one. You choose, I choose one. I choose cute. Okay, yeah, cute. Cute. By the way,

is my man scar Face. I don't know him as personally as I know Cube, but when he came to the dude, you know, we rolled around and like showed a lot of the game, a lot of game, and on top of that, just like a lot of his songs was definitely you know, some of the like definitely was in the soundtrack of My Life for show Good as to Day, you know what I'm saying, A lot of them today. It was a good day, right, um outcast or UK, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, good as day

as the detrait song today was a good damn trick. Yeah, I'm gonna stick with y'all, y'all, um bun hit me up today. Actually you g K so outcast A U g K you're going k like on what aspect? Shot? That's a shot. That's a shot. Yeah, that's a yeah. Yeah, you take whatever you want but I was just with Big Boy too, So yeah, I mean this songs like a shot to me. You gotta but when you say that, what the funk are you talking about? For you whatever? For specific So that sounds like a shot to me.

It's a straight shot. I'm dirty only Mama Wuanna, that's mama, want to trust trust me? What is it? Dominican? Mamajuanna? Homemade? Is it? So? What is it in the bottom? Try something? Let's try something. Okay, It's okay, okay, alright, alright, we show is sorry, this show start. Let's go turn the eye. Slo Salo solo, solo by My Water for the win. That's good. That's good. Now I'm gonna give your criteria to this one. Okay. By the way, by the way,

I'm tired of a motherucking y'alls. That's cool. We're talking to drinking with you. I'm gonna go there, but just turn Okay, let's worry about it. Don't worry about it. M this one. I'm gonna give you a criteria. This is just producer only. Okay, no emotions to this one, Kanye for no emotions, he said to this, I got my job. Just producers just producers. I'm gonna go with that's that's I'm gonna go with, for real, for producers. He's a little personal. I like it. No, it's not.

I'll tell you why. I tell you why because the fact that for U has been popping and had number not only just number number ones and all the chart ship I'm talking about has had impact on three different decades as a producer. So to me, that's some of the most impressive ship anybody could do. And you know, and in his latest years to have a number one record of his own and he produced and uh happy and I'm happy. Yeah, I'm talking about happy and didn't at the same time doing daft punk shit and at

the same time doing other things. I think that that is just that's incredible. I mean, discovered that, nig what what about for us? I'm going for Come on, that's different. I've actually never actually worked with Kanye as a producer producer, right, but for real's you know, he shaped the mold my career. He came to me with a tight ass coat on in a tight ass shirt and said, if you listen to me, be going number one. It was a shirt

and a coat, both of them was type. Yeah, And I just said, you know, you can look at somebody like I believe you, and I just believe that he was nobody at the time I with the card, but I believe the obviously you know that that don't take away to impact Kayae had as a producer to But because we're gonna go back to that. Okay, put your tea or two, change your criteria whatever you want to change. Well, hold up, cause hold up you when you when you

went fast? What is the criteria that you whatever you want? And they called yesterday that's your criteria. We haven't text you recently to chains. Yeah, I hear push it. I don't know what the fun going on. Ship. That's good music ship, all right, I know, but but I know he lost his mom something. Yeah. I totally forgot about that. Push and he would killer he had killer on them beats push the team for show. Yeah, okay, I'm Ari on the Grande or Janelle Ico. Sorry in the criteria, Yeah,

you know that. You know what I mean. I've just slexic be established We established that already. Yeah, only did I correct you? Yeah, is the only person who I've ever been in like four relationships at once with she's been a friend, she's been a group member, she's been a romantic partner, and she's been up here. So that's the only person that I've had so many connections with that one. So that's why. So you're gonna walk, I mean, yeah, okay,

it's all respecting love, you know, DMX or Tupac. This a shot? No, No, it's not. Okay, I forgot you got the GPS up there. D MX had g B a g B. Yeah, that's that um fleshing my flesh, blood of my blood. Like when that came out, that was one of the first rap albums that I truly got into, you know what I'm saying, So flush on my flesh, bood my blos when he's in the tub with that's when you dropped, and that's when you dropped. Those albums back to back that had an impact on me.

But also All Eyes on Me was one of the first albums too that I really got into. And if I had to pick one, I'm gonna have to take a shot. Okay, I was because you're thinking way to you. By the way, the regional question is darkness, hell us hot versus All Eyes on Me. So so what the fun I changed. Yeah, Yeah, I'm just lexic. Just just blame everything is just lexic. Soli h. I don't know where you gonna go with this, Nicki Minaj or Cardi B.

You're gonna get me fucked up. I don't know if that means out of here or you're gonna drink another shot. I don't know what that means, but I'm I'm willing to go wherever you want to go. If I had to pick one one in one way, this is your criteria. Why are you making me pick between two? Quick? Bro? That's what I'm trying to say. This, This is meant for you to drink. This is why it's cooled to drop. You know, Nicki Minajs, we got more history obviously, you

know what I'm saying. So and see a rap legend period. You know, we with the songs that we got together. To me are I haven't worked with Cardi B yet, you know what I'm saying. I obviously got respect for both of them, But obviously if I had to pay between the two and I gotta go, I gotta roll with Nikki like that podcast or radio podcast. I like that. I should take a shot for that. We should take a shot for that. You don't have to. It was all the way by the way. Radio changed my life.

Podcast changed my life too, and one of my biggest goals in life was to hear my song on the radio. But that sounds but no, no, no, no, no no no, I'm not. I'm just saying later on in my life, I've been on more on the podcast. You know what I'm saying, because I like getting straight to it. You know, radio would be like radio, we're back with were ready to go right now. But Biggie or Tupac, Biggie I like that Tupac was that nigga too, but Biggie b

I g Big Sean. That's why I literally he was definitely something like part of the inspiration why I chose Big Sean, not Little Sean, not young Sean. You know what I'm saying, And that's I chose that name at ten years old, you know what I'm saying. That's when I chose, That's when I chose my rap name. Stuck with it because of I and Big pun too and Big that's beautiful to say that Young Jeez or Rick Ross. Can we still call him young Jeez? Why are you making me choose, bro, I don't want to. I don't

want to. I want you drink. It's not about you big choosing you could drink and have fun. That The thing is, Jeez had more of an impact on me being from Detroit. That's like a second home because that's right, being Math, not just being Math. I mean, yeah, of course be met, but because of just his music that way, it impacted Detroit at the time when I was in the clubs and ship Jeez, you know, and Jeez came a little bit before Ross too, you know what I mean,

And just so the respect is there for both. I gotta go, I gotta roll with Jeszy. Okay, this one you're gonna be a little sucked up. Oh no, the next one you gonna I'm not sure this one being meth for the Cheder Boys. I mean, I'm a Cheder boy baby, that's for sure. You know. It was just it was another thing. It was like the impact, the impact.

That's like I feel like being Memphis a little bit before my time, right, a little bit like I'm talking about like, okay, yeah, when I was rolling around like Chado boys had that ship a lot, you know, when I was in middle school, I feel like being Memphis before I could even really listen to any ship like that, you know, it was getting locked out. My mom wasn't happening it, you know what I mean. But being math going crazy right now, you know, shout out a little me,

shout out fifty shot at everybody that ship. I like how they I like how they're painting the picture of the city. I'm gonna I'm gonna gonna watch you don't don't blow it up for me. You know, I'm avenge watcher huh four two because you said he said his name is not forty two. It's four to huh four two dog rotiguously you can take a shot. Yeah, I ain't picking between That's what I'm saying. It's like a shot, like a shot. All right. Why don't you look at

Hennessey right now? Wanna you could give m a little bit more than that. Wanna take a little We'll take you take the forty two. Come get me funked up in here? Yeah exactly, this is This is is the point. So yeah, yeah, that's what I'm talking about. M Okay, it ain't gonna pick between you dream dog or dog you cat? How many more questions do you got by a couple of months when they copy dragged a couple? Yeah? Bro, what the fun dreaming? Do you want to go a shot?

I mean cat, don't. I don't know what the mix. I don't want to Huh, you want to take a shot? I know does a cat? I don't think I've even met dream dog, So you're gonna do alright? I don't even know the Kendrick or Jay Cole? Are you saying that this is on you? I love both the niggers. Okay, let's go, let's go. What shot you want? Oh sho, you got an explanation. I've been I've been a calls house though. Kendrick being in my house before, she's making

his personal No. But I'm just saying, Jake Cale opened his doors to me. That's like I'm gonna go with Cal. I respect that. I respect that Jacle opened his doors his family. You know what I'm saying? Okay, yeah, big pun of big Al big Ail was the killer with those words. Bro, he was a fucking killer, so it was punned too. You can take a show now. I ain't taking a shot. I could pick mother, I could pick goddamnit. I'm gonna go with Big Alka. The lyricism,

the word play. Both of them had that, but it was something about Big l that just shocked me. The metaphors and ship like how he was putting the things together. It just got me, like, you know off that okay o d Bo Bismarcki oh to be dealer, Primo dealer, pap for dre puff Uh. Like like you tell my producer or rapper, whatever the funk you want, whatever you want, Nigi, what the fuck wherever you are? Whatever I want, producer, producer. That sounds like a shot to me. Then you just

picked both. I can't crol side as you produce, you crol sides just now you d we gotta take you gotta take a shot. Let's go, let's go. Let's go take a shot with your preface. Whatever you want, you want. Then you got a motherfucking fix this ship and make it look like I picked both of them. Then we got this shot. Rest my mamana, I don't funk with it. I'm gonna being honest. I can't believe Sean, that ship

is crazy. Gotta gotta got okay, this one wrong. Okay, baby Face Ray or real Young g Rio, the Young Old Gal the young get these names. I'm sorry, you know I'm gonna put some. I'm sorry. I love these guys. No, you gotta understand that the blueprint that the and the impact that they're having on the whole industry right now, real young old g baby Face Ray vs veso uh Pas pay roll. So sounds like you're taking a shot that should be clear. No, no, no, I'm just letting

you know, like they don't. You gotta make sure you're gonos these names. I'm trying, my bodie, James, you gotta announce it. It's like that's why we're out here. We're trying to give the respect show. Um, so, who is it again? Real or baby Face? Free Real? But I'm gonna go with baby Face but free Real though, okay? Isaiah Thomas or Joe Dumarsh Isaiah Zeke. Yeah, I got

drunk with Iaia Hyeah. Yeah. I stepped to him about Bad Boys, just like, yeah, it would be you know, it would be no Michael Jordan without the Bad Boys period, eminem or worse the five nine get a shot ready? I can pick is that it's nothing produce? What's yeah? Yeah? What's you going? Um? Worse the five on is my literal big brother. So I gotta go to Royce Eminem like I said, God didn't see, God didn't see and dream comes true to work with. But Royce, I've been

in the trenches for Royce. Shot Royce. I'm saying I hadn't been in a real trenches for real. Okay, Kevin hard Day Chappelle, what about you, Kevin Arder, Dave Chappelle, you know, this is the greatest thing about this part. It's my name on the show. It's all about you. We're giving you your flowers. You see from I was saying, that's just say your name. Brother. Dave Chappelle is on Detroit too. Yeah, Dave Chappelle is on Detroit. Dave Chappelle's to Carey my dad at a at a at a

show twice. Wow. Yeah. When I first met Dave Chappelle, he was like, I love your dad, and I'm like, what the fuck? Three and three in the morning and getting back from Vegas PJ on it at the private airport. I'm walking off. He's getting on the plane. I'm like, oh, Dave Chappelle, man, I'm like a huge fan. He's like, I love your dad. That's the first thing he said to me. I'm like, what the are you talking about? Because my dad ended up doing a skit on Dark

Sky Paradise on my album. I'm thinking he just heard that. He's like, no, I was kicking in with your dad. Then I go into this phone conversation I had with my dad. You know when you're ars call you and they'd be talking, you know, talking, just be like uh. He was like yes, So I was at the Dave Chappelle show to me backstage, and I was backstage, man, I'm like, huh, all right, dad, I love you man, alright, piece.

I just thought, you know, because my dad just be going sometimes it talks to me for like two hours straight. This motherfucker. Dave Chappelle was like, I love your dad. Had him back there smoking blunts, had him back there smoking blund God telling me lle got damn. Okay, yeah, okay, Chris Brown to Jeremiah Chris Brown because I ain't gotta give a reason you don't both of them, but yeah Chris Brown, Okay, Metro booming or here boy, here boy.

I liked it. That loyalty or respect loyalty. Now I gotta x y because you can respect somebody and still fund them over With loyalty, you don't think about that person. Um. You know, when you loyal to that person, you're gonna always hold them and think about them in a different way than necessarily, like having a respect for somebody can just be completely thrown out the window at any time, because I feel like loyalty is more for it for everything,

and respect it's more of a moment thing. You know what I'm saying both, because that wasn't the question. You can pick both, you can, but you got to get shot. That's the reason why you ain't big both. But yeah, because I was a drunk as answer. Yeah, it's great though, it's great, it's great. So um now let's move one right click, Yeah, it's record. Mm hmm, go on there

with two giants. Yeah, your verse comes first as an artist, Yeah, I come from the era I came from at one point pause of the eerror where the artist has the most impact is the last verse right right. But then in the new era, is the artist with the first first? You think so, because sometimes we've change, it changes, but thin this error at this time, especially when you with these other two ot coms, they let you go first. Is it because your verse was laid first? Yeah? It

was okay, that was simple. My verse was like at first, I did the hook in the verse and sport. Now, what are you under the impression of this versus? For what? I didn't know. I just was in the studio. It was in London. He was right next to Buckingham Palace. I love I love his flaws in London, next to bunk here. I love hit boy at too. Who will produce click? Um, so you met him, you said, that's what I meant. Well, that's the where I first worked

with him. Okay. I met him actually one time before that at Buckingham Palace and everybody was out there pushing to John Legend here boy. Yeah, uh, Manny Fresh was out there. Um, there's a lot of people out there. I'm forgetting probably like a lot of people because you made me drink all sucking shots. It's okay, it's more to come, okay, Okay. So yeah, it was just an idea. We were working on this one song and the ship

was like whack as hell. It was a beat that was just like ship was going on for a long time. It's a song that never came out, and I was like, man, we need to switch this ship up. Man, this ship is whack. And there was already a hook on there. I was like, this ship fucking trash. So we lowed it up another beat or Doncy was like, well, what other beat we're gonna you know, you know, it's impressure,

so like what other people were gonna load up? You know, I don't remember what he said, Doncy is my brother. What I'm saying for real, love your impressure them. Yeah, I can do. That's a hidden talent. I get a lot of impressions. But anyway, we lowed up a beat and the first thing that comes on, I do this ship in like two minutes. I said, anybody sun on my click click click later hood everybody like you know, everybody like that's all right, it's all right, like to

hook lead your lagborhood. Then I do a verse and the like it's it's tight, it's tight. Then you come back and hear it and he's like, this is the motherfucker this this ship crazy? You know what I'm saying. And next thing I know, time goes on. Because we were working on other songs Mercy and by the way, all these songs I did like back then there was just freestyles. But I wasn't even trying on none of

that ship really, none of it. Bro. I just was like going in there freestyling, like on mercy click, don't like just have you know, just just just do you know, just to be productive, like all right, fucking I'm a freestyle. And anyway, he heard it and everybody laid a verse on. It was like eight verses and then I guess it

got to hold. Now this is part of the story where I wasn't there, so I don't know the exact details, but it went from eight verses to the whole click on there to nobody's verse being on there because Hole was on there. But somehow my ship got left on there, you know. And when I had to, when I the conversation, when yeah, he was like, you know, whole states, you gotta stay on have mother fun. You know, he was like, you gotta keep keep Shawn on there. So that was

a monumental moment for me. A lot of a lot of niggers definitely got songs with wove Oorya, so let along both of them. Goddamn may now now loyal to a fault feature embracing Tiller a little dirt. What is what? What are you trying to say? Loyal to a fault? What does what does that exactly mean? That's just some relatable ship that people be loyal to a fault? Yeah, people be You've been loyal to a full absolutely in what situation ship? One of the situations that we could

talk about. I don't know if you're ready to talk about is good music? Okay not yet? Okay, my back? Can you give me another situation? Because because I'm leading up to it, you know, I got it. It's a certain build up. You want another shot, I feel like you want to Okay, okay, later later, But loyal to a fault, that's just I feel like that a lot of times in my life, bro where you know, when you're really loyal to somebody, you're gonna put up with them and like, I don't know, just give it all

you got, you know what I'm saying. And I know a lot of women can relate to that song. A lot of men can relate to that song of just like even just going past your personal threshold of like your tolerance of fucking being annoyed, you know. But yeah, that song is a song I wrote from you know, accumulation of personal experiences. You know what I mean? Alright?

That one of everyone's like favorite like to play song to play after they break up with the ex, or they break up with like or they ain't fucking with their friends no more. I don't funk with you. Yeah, where was you had when you didn't want to funk with you? I don't with you. We can talk about it. It ain't no secret that. Um okay, it's a sensitive subject. Really, it's a sensitive subject. How does artists make sensitive subjects public? That's what the fun we were crazy? I'm with you

on that. Yeah, but what do you want to know about the song? It's a breakup song. It's a breakup song. Yeah. It was how I was feeling in the moment, and I just put this ship on the record, simplest that. I didn't think about it. I was in the studio, Mustard he put the beat on. That was the first thing that popped in my head. I thought about too short a little bit, something like I thought about like that's how forty water got involved. So I was I was gonna I was gonna put too short. I was

gonna put two short on there. Don't tell me forty waters the backup. No, not the backup, because but then I grew up on a forty, Right, there's a special connection between the band Detroit. I grew up on the forty and and I was like cooking too short on this bitch, and then forty popped in my head and that ship just felt like ship just was like you know, when you think of the idea, it's like, dam I want to get the forty on this motherfucker going crazy?

And you call said, what's up my wee wolves? Yeah, he wass poking out like nippings. He was like the song. He was like just poking out like some nippers. I love. He said that. He was like, it's official, like turf on you know, forty that's my man saying that was one of the people that was a dream collaboration to sho. I still got to make the two short one happen

on another song. But yeah, forty really, I remember when I played that song for Beyonce and for Home before I came out, and just the reaction and yeah, too, everybody, I'm sorry, you just said that very non Sally, we just you just said you just played what beyond? And Beyonce yeah, you put like, yeah, me give it the respect because Ho was on who invited me over to play the music, and then Beyonce kindly joined us. You

know what I'm saying. And I love the floors. I love the floor and that we had dinner and I was playing them songs. I was playing them Dark Sky Paradise and I don't think what you came on and they face lit up, and I remember how of texting me said, every day you don't put that song out, you're losing. Every day you don't put that song out, you're losing. And I remember when I first played it for Yea Yeah, it was like, oh um, he was like, I need to hop on his motherfucker. I think. Man.

He was like, let me maybe we should add a sample to it. So then that's when a sample, like the idea of adding a sample to it. Yeah, yeah, and myamie Kiwaine came up with the sample, added it to that, and I elevated it um with the DJ Muster sound and it just gave it like a all encompass and representation of just like I felt like Detroit because it was like the Bay Area connection with forty that's like some person on the styles and shipped for

me the sample at the beginning. And then just like Mustard was the hottest producer at the time, not you know what's dope was because Mustard does everyone does like like relate his sound to like the Bay Area type of thing. But the fact got that authent in West Coast sound, West Coast sound. But the fact is I love that you um incorporated West Coast o g yeah forty because I'm telling you the d and the West Coast, like the trade in California got like a crazy Connection's beautiful.

What you didn't have to do that. I really respected that. Like I heard that, I was like, damn, it made it hard to hate. You know what I'm saying. You know, I was actually I got I got roots in both. I was born in California, get THET was born in California. Moved to De Traite when I was like a month old, so before I even you know, before I was even really conscious and ship. But yeah, I was actually born in California. So I do have a home in both places,

and I feel a sense at home. But Detroit is a Detroit is a city that you know, maybe you know what I'm saying, I prospect that. So let's get it to offense featuring four to Yeah and Baby Face Ray. Yeah, let's get into that. How what made you want to do that? That's the two young shooters from the City Shooters Snipers Snipers, and I said, they didn't correct this. Yeah I did. Yes, you did my life together. It was just uh me and Baby Face Ray was in the session one night and that was that was one

of the ones that came on. We just didn't did that song on the spot. And then I thought about I did a song for four or two that he had sent it to me at the last minute and I sent the verse back like a day later. He sent it to me like he needed it right back, and I think I sent it like a couple of days or something like that, and it was like a deadline that I missed. And then I was like, that should sentis to four two. You know what I'm saying,

just just you know, for the city. So that's how it came about easy Yeah, motherfucker's I love that song on offense. I'm on offense. Yeah, that's all the ship now bounce. You said something about your dad. He said, your dad is a gonna bound yeahs back. Yeah, so you said your dad is a g get it from genetics, and that's what you just said that Dave Chappelle was hanging out with my daddy of a flare. But yeah, but what's funny is here's a funny story used to

get on my dad for and these leather pants. I thought, this is the dumbest Eddie Murphy leather pants, like leather pants, like Eddie Murphy styff style. Okay, yeah, but just not shiny, but like you know that like real, like like the dog. It's not not patting leather like leather leather leather like for no reason. He was just taking me to school, but my da would take me to school every morning. He would teach me a lot of ship. You know, I'm in third right, He telling me about like eating pussy.

He's telling me about like all sorts of ship, my dad. But that's what you're supposed to hear that type that's what you're supposed to hear that type of bees telling about all these things. But he also had a thing called the word of the day. He was like, so the word of the day is ambiguous, what is you know? It tells me what it means okay now, And at the end of the day when he would pick me up, he'd be like, so, what's the word of the day. What does it mean? So he we did that every day.

But I used to get on his ass for wearing these leather pants, like she got these leather pants on for you know what I'm saying. He I used to like when he would pick me up from school, he was sometimes to be hugging a tree. I'm like, what the fund are you doing that? You're embarrassing me, man, Like you know what I'm saying. And now my ass I've been doing going on hikes, motherfucker looking at the tree like tree you went to, Josh a big sir, all over the place. I went to the south of France.

I go a lot of places hype. But yeah, yeah, josh On tree. I've never been a Josh Tree. I'm gonna take much room to go there. Yeah you took much rooms in there, Yes you did. Yeah, look quick for me being point well actually not there. But mushrooms are big shirt. But you know it's similar vibe, all right, Yeah, it's jobs for tree. But anyway, um so yeah, and I'm walking to stage yesterday to perform, and I have on leather pants and my dad is like leather pants.

It was just crazy. How twenty five years later I just knew exactly what the funk he was talking about because I would always get on them for that, and it's like Detroit player, It's it's just it's supported period. I can't see it back then. Listen, man, but now I'll be rocking leather pants all the time. Let me tell you something before, like, if you like, like you gotta have a pair of Gators, Marie Gators. Mm hmm. That's some Detroit shit though, you know about that? Yes? Yeah,

I went to the Players Ball. I went to the players ball. A whole bunch of money we need nowhere near pimp we need. It was a bad move for me. It wasn't me all right, But um, what a life? You said? You went triple platinum at least three times. Let's let's let's make some let's make some noise for that. Let's let's describe that to these people right now. Triple platinum at least three times? Credible, bro, change my family life, love going triple platinum? Yeah, I mean, what do I

say about that? I've had a lot of songs that went triple four or five times six times platinum. Um, and it's a beautiful thing, man, It's that's you know, that's God. I gotta get that up to God. I gotta get that up to the people who supported it and made it happen in facts. That's that's that's bigger than me for real. But now let's get the deep revenge deep reverence. Yeahep reverence. Okay, post Malone, m hm, post Malone Wolves ship, I'm working up. I'm looking at

two different things deep deep reverence. It's with Lipsey Hustle. Yeah, and um what was to answered both fucking two different songs, two different songs. Wolves was written about my grandma, my mom, my family just they was wolves with this ship. You know. My grandma was a beast with my granddad just like it felt like it was that wolf pack energy. Didn't do anything for their cubs, for they you know, Um,

and that's the energy that the trade just breeds. Is that loyalty, you know what I'm saying in respect, you know what I mean. And so in Deep Reverence, it was more so just you know, just barring up and talking about what was on my heart. At the time, spilling my heart out. You know, that's the song, like I said, as we started before Nip had passed away, and I didn't have the inspiration to finish it, you know.

And I learned a lot from that because I think one of the last calls I got from him was him invited me to his video shoot and I couldn't make it, you know. But then I just remember feeling like, damn, I wish I could. I wish I would have rearranged some ship. And I didn't know, you know what I'm saying. It fucked me up, and it just inspired a whole like a whole verse. And now that was the verse. Okay, got like two more of these questions that we're gonna

get into some real ship. Okay beware featuring Wayne feature in Jane had Little Wayne. Yeah, So where were you at in life? We're gonna making this record? I was. I don't remember where I was, man, I can't live. I remember doing a song, remember having a song. It was just me and Janelle first because and that was big, big, big, yeah. So what happened was I do remember that how it happened? So I got your n on it. I was a fan of her mixtape. She was kind of like more

so a new artist at the time. That was before she was on really you know, like beware. It was her first radio song, you know what I'm saying. So that was the first time she Um was was on there, and she sounded perfect. Before it was just me singing. She sounded a way better singing. And then I played it for Wayne when I was playing Wayne my album and he heard like six seconds off it like doom doom, doom, doom, doomdoom.

When you said, he was like, oh, I'm hopping on this motherfucker right right there, right there, and he did the verse and the rest is history. That's why. Yeah, So Marvin Gay and yeah, Marvin Gay and shot name because I don't like I like Marvin, you like the song though, I love I love Marvin? Is that nigger? Where was you adding that? Like, was you drinking Russian River Frances? No, So I do remember that situation. That's one of my favorite sharks, Russian River branches. But you

say that pretty he even messing names up. But I was at that time. That's my first one, yeah, ilexic, So yeah, um, I had the song on my last out at the time, and that was my first see Chris hopped on my Chris hopped on my last and made that motherfucker go crazy. That was my next question, you know what I'm saying. So then after that, after that was like hit number one on radio. Um. Yeah, he gave me the Alley you from Marvin and Sharoney. Um.

It was like, you know, that's basically what happened. Like it was one of the songs that we worked on and he had and I don't know, I just remember it just kind of coming in last minute when we was working on the album and dropped that ship and that was that was Those were better times for sure. And then then before I get into this last one Mercy feature when you push your tea and two chains, where was you at? I know you spoke about a little bit earlier, but it's backstage in Detroit at the

Palace during UMU concert. Was that, oh, this is the same palace we want to test. Okay, okay, the Palace like the Malice in the Palace. I love it. And he put the beat on and I was his backstage freestyle and and then that was the verse I literally freestyle and he was like, say, that again, said it again, said it again. I'm like, this stupid right here, like

I thought it was. I was literally just bullshit. And then I remember going when we went to London, London, the London trip where we made Click happen right after that, and I remember him being like this versus the um, what do you say, b Sean set the tone on here? This is the I'm like, okay, whatever, Like I appreciated it, but it's just like, you know, it was one of the things that was unexpected for God to do that sometimes give you an unexpected blessing, you know what I mean.

And she went crazy, Okay, what I'm saying now this is where after this we're going straight in as as as as as uh huh, Bro Like, yeah, you can go wherever you want to go with this at this point. But Bro, I make a lot of songs, a lot of That's one thing that I feel like has helped

me and hurt me. Sometimes people get to hear in the song and be like, oh I funk with him or I don't fun with him, like off of this, But I make so any different styles of songs that I'll just be one of motherfucker's to come on a journey with me. Bro, I'll be taking my critical hat off and I'll just be having fun with the ship.

You know what I'm saying. I got songs like Paradise where I'm spending like a motherfucker's, songs like deep reverence one man could change the world, songs like As, songs like Marvin and Charney, songs like I Don't Know Bro, like you know Memories, songs like all these different songs. So it's like, I wish motherfucker's hauld just come on and just come on a journey with me, Bro, come on a journey with me. Okay, so no, no, but

As was an amazing that. You know, that's quite druple platinum. Yes, you know what I'm saying. Nikki went on that Bitch and Body that and that was after it was out. That was my only record, that remix. Correct, she jumped on the remix. She jumped on the remix. But that's because the ship was going crazy. Radio stations was playing it without me. That's the only time I had a song where the radio station was playing without me asking wow. Yeah.

And when I made that ship in the studio again, I was just sucking around yeah, man, I was freestyling. Tiana Taylor was in the studio with me, and when I made it, she didn't, you know, at the end of the night. I made it at the end of the night. That's one of the first records that um the interns did. And you know, Rihanna did Cake after that because after her favorite they said that that Rihanna came to there was like, asked, my favorite song, Well,

I need to make a song like that. So I love your name drops by the way, Yeah, I appreciate that. So anyway, Yeah, Nikki had on that ship went crazy. She was dancing in the video. The ship was viral. NIGG has never seen no ship like that. She was bending over in the video. You know what I mean. It was It was a classic time and and I was it was a house music song, so the beat I made to make sure it was Detroit house music and so it had authenticity to it, you know what

I'm saying. And it was simple. Yeah. Yeah, I produced it a little bit as well. But point is that motherfucker four or five times platinum cut, damn. And it's not too many people who you soorry I don't work. There's not too many people who have UM certification different things at the same time. So yeah, Puerto Ricans, you play handball right now? Yeah? Yeah, but yeah, I mean that was some bullshit how he was saying, Okay, let's

take a shot. They've been gonna get into that. To take one shot is just just because we want to make sure. Because okay, if you do, okay, you go wait from me, Okay, yeah, come on, we're gonna take it together, baby, because because I'm gonna be honest, I'm a fan, right, so let me let me let me take my little football, a little one of the whites, and then okay, I'll put you all right, Yo, I gotta ask you too before we get into this. No, I gotta ask it often do you do this show?

I can't tell. I can't see this what we want camera? Okay, because yeah, we figured out let no, no, no way. But wait, I just want to say before we get into it. And because I'm saying this from a sincere place, we'll be losing a lot of people. So how do you balance this ship? Because you can't just be sitting here drinking all the time. No, you can take care of yourself here. We try to. It's definitely a balance. Yes, it's definitely a balance. Okay, follow me on Instagram, you'll

figure it out. I don't even follow an Let's just be clear. Okay, we had who is considered a god, a googrule, a person that sat here and he said one of the worst things that he ever did was signed you. Now, I'm gonna be honest. After I looked at it, I analyzed it because if you look at my face, my facial structure, I'm thinking, he hits you wrong. Yeah, we didn't. We didn't catch so I'm actually I'm actually clapping. I'm like, yo, that's so dope. If you look at

my facial spressing, you caught it. Last I was because it don't makes sense. So yeah, and before a question, I was blown away because I didn't understand it. But I need to understand you. But then he said for some political reasons, remember he said, but hold on, but let's just let's just let's just let's take it at the time when you first heard that, what did you think? What was the first reaction. At first, I thought it was hilarious. I thought the ship was funny. Then I

take it personal. I take it personal because I'm the only artist who's put out five albums under good music. Cutty left a long time ago business wise us, you know what I'm saying, and they still clicked up and linked up. Right. So I'm the only artist who put out five albums under good music. I'm the only one who put out back to back to back number one platinum albums, double platinum albums, platinum album You know what I'm saying and when, and by the way, being signed

to Kaye is a golden opportunity. It's something that I would I he changed my life and I love him for that. But every time Kanye has called on me, every single time, no matter what I was doing, within one day's notice, I'm wherever he's at bro and it rather it's to contribute to him in the studio, whether it's to contribute a line, write a verse for him.

He just takes maybe parts of the verse, maybe the whole verse, maybe just to help him with his vibe, like just to help him catch a vibe wherever he's at in the world. But I've traveled around the world for this man every time he's called, and have done this and not asked for publishing A lot of the times, why because he gave me a golden opportunity of signing the good music. A lot of people have signed to good music. I just want to keep that in mind,

but not a lot of people. And nobody on good music has put out five LPs and back to back to back number ones. Right, So, for irony sake, for irony sake, when I won a v m A with Ya and John Legend for iro any sake, for one man could change the world. I was the first person to tweet Kanye for president, the first one. Right, I'm listening, Okay, So when when I heard what he was talking about, it didn't make sense, bro, because you know, my manager saw my record deal and said, this is a shitty

record deal. I would never say that though, because why it was an opportunity. I can work my way out of anything. And when you say it managed me saying rock Nation, Yeah, I'm saying rock Nation. Yeah. He actually he hooked me up with Yeah, I'm saying rock Nation. I'm saying. Jay Brown said it was the worst deal he'd ever seen. Wo and this man, I had to spend my own money all the team my label because millions of dollars are missing and you can tell what

millions of dollars are missing? Of course right, yes, I spent hundreds of thousands of dollars on my label, thinking Universal owe me this money, and the money had been paid to good music. So let me ask you before we finish. Let me ask you, bro, if somebody old you five hundred thousand dollars, how would you feel? No, listen, how would you feel I would feel and there was up a hundred million? How would you feel? Yeah? Crazy? Whatever they told you a million? What if they owed

you three million? Okay? What if they told you five million dollars? What if they held you six and listen, listen, what if they owed you that bronstand? You showed up for them and you did all these things right, and they helped billions. And then the nigga who comes at them, who talks the most ship he'd be bigging up in the interview and ship it. When we talked about we got this drink champ talking about Drake okay, okay, who he you know loves and my thing is, bro, when

you want to talk about Lord to a fault? When when you're talking about that song, right, not just that song, just the mentality like yeah, I've been loyal because I'm not. I feel like I'm the only one who stayed that long for good music. So yeah, it was a personal It affected me personally, bro, And you know, he text me the next day, so I want to meet with you and your mom to begin healing on both sides. And I was angry. We took after what yeah, after

that ship aired, after this service when y'all saw each other. No, he ain't say nothing there, Okay, after this is yes, okay continue, And you know I couldn't. I took it too personally because it's like you publicly humiliated me when I've been down for you not peep this out. While he was running for president, I didn't have his contact purposely, didn't endorse anybody publicly politically because my man's just running. I don't even have his contact at the time because

I'm trying to figure out other business. We got other things to talk about. I don't even have his contact at the time, but I still had enough respect. Now he ain't. Ain't nobody ever showed me that support. Ain't nobody ever not considered me in that way. So I'm the number one earning artists on Good Music and I didn't come out of supporting no Democratic Party because my man's was running and he wasn't even on the ballots in thirty some states. Yeah, you see what I'm saying.

So when he said all that, it just had no um. That's why it was funny because it just was not true. Like I didn't come out of the Sport Democratic Party, bro, Like maybe John Legend did. I don't know, I didn't. But to be fair, he said both of y'all day. But was it that or was it talking about when he met with Trump? Because I felt like, that's what a lot of And by the way, I was there today when he met with Trump on the plane with him get out of here. We flew to Uganda to Africa.

I was there on the plane with him and Kim and his daughter and dad flying to Uganda. We're reading about how uh black people are the real Israelites and all this amazing history. I'm on the plan read with him, giving him nutrition, nutritional suggestions because my mom is a health guru, you know what I'm saying. So it was hurtful. It was hurtful brow and I believe, and it just don't make no sense that like like I said, I

spent hundreds of thousand dollars too. And I don't even know if he's on his radar like that, because when I see him, I respect him enough not to be bringing that ship up to his face in the middle of a Sunday service. I ain't gonna be like, hey, what's up. You only six million? You don't mean millions of dollars? So how does this six million um accumulate? You go to you go to universe? So you say no, because I got an then this isn't me making up

a number. I got an auditor who audited the books, you know what I'm saying, And it was more than that. Some of his has been paid. And to me, it's just like, I'm an authentic person. But I'm gonna keep it real and I ain't gonna blast my brother. I'm not trying to tear nobody now. I'm not trying to tear it down. Man, change my life. But if you are bees and you owe me this money that ain't probably ain't nothing to him, that's life changing money for me.

You know that that could go towards things I'm trying to do. Like you said, I'm building a movie theater. I'm doing all these things. I'm trying to help my community. I'm you know, doing a VC. I'm like invested in a lot of things. That Angel investor. Um, it's not like it's him, it's the business. Because that's that's what he said. What he said, and that's why. That's why. But at this point I tried to allude to that. I don't know if you've seen the interview, and I said, um,

do you still have big Sean Son? And what he said was, I just signed them to a bigger slaveship. Did you see that part where he said that? No, I said, but do you still have? He said, I just signed I signed them to a bigger slave Meaning he's trying to say that your deal is basically with prevent THEE, it's basically with universal death. Jam right to his deals with death. His deal. I hadn't work. I hadn't work my way out of my deal. Just now, I had to work my way out of that deal.

My man, like I said, I'm not shopping on the deal, but it was a golden opportunity. My manager said it was the worst deal he's ever seen. What I'm saying is I put at least thirty million dollars in this man pocket or more, and he owes me money and he's up billions him or his company. He said that the masters, he said he was gonna give his artists back his masters. And it's just like that hasn't happened yet,

But that would benefit me a lot. And if I was at bees and if I was a man of my word and not just saying something to look good in that moment, like I would pay my artists day masters or what at least what they're work. If he's not in a position to do that. But that's just me. So let me ask you something. When you look at your contract and your lawyers speak to you, do they say that it's it's it's it's good music, or they say that it's good music. Def jam VINDI you know

all of it as a conglomerate Universal. Oh they're saying it's yeah, that's on you to answer it, which answer it, whichever way you want. Now it's all of them. But right, But the one thing he said is that they paid. I don't give a funk who it is. Bro Universal paid the money that I'm old to good music. Okay,

that's what I'm trying. I don't give a funk what it is the out of a deal that I signed that was an unfair deal to me as an artist, you know what I'm saying to According to others, I earned millions of dollars because I sold over fifty some million records. I was one of the top selling hip hop artists between two thousand and ten and two thousand twenty, I was in the top ten, sold over fifty some million records and earn a certain the amount of money. But I worked my ass off, Bro. I fucking drove

myself to depression. I drove myself. I drove my self to to the brink of wanting to not live, bro, because of the work overworking myself. So what I'm saying is in that time where I earn the money, I still haven't gotten this money, bro. And it's not all about the money. It's not all about the money. It's the principle. It's the principle because I haven't gone in I haven't done a seven M on brittle Path, I haven't done on I haven't put it in nothing. You

know what I'm saying. And it's just like I had an issue with all the respect that was being paid to somebody who publicly did that. And I know that people would be like going through things making up and all that. That's beautiful. I want to see my brothers together, But to me, yeah, I haven't. I take that personal. But what made you even think to order like you was thinking money was missing? Like I mean this it's a normal thing. That's a normal thing. So it's definitely

a normal thing. But I just want to say that what triggers that your own money has to be something that triggered every artist who has ever gone platinum or had any type of success, and something that pays out residuals or royalties to audit, because there's probably money there. Every time I've audited every aspect of my career, I've always correct, But it had to be something. J Brown. Jay Brown just came to you and said, you'll listen, She said, when the last time you audited the label?

I said, I never have. He was like, audit them, auditing them all this royalty on that royalty and then all sorts of things, and then it was like, wait a minute, it's some ms missing. Wow, and the ms have been paid, so you know, like I'm saying. I also learned to I can't be angry. I'm not angry because that's too much of a burden for me to carry it always. You know what I'm saying. I don't take it personal. That's what it was nervous about. But whatever they said Big Sean, I said, oh shoo, I

don't want Big. It's just like it's like just you know, no, I love Kane bro I love him for the opportunity he gave me and all these things. But I thought what he said with some bitch ass ship, and I thought that and I thought that, um, that wasn't golly, you know, that wasn't It was just like it was a personal attack for no reason. You know. I feel like he didn't have to do all that, and the fact that why he said it was completely wrong. I didn't come out and endorse no political party. I didn't

for because my man's was voting literally, you know. And and I know it's a deeper reason why it goes back to all of that. I don't even know. That might be something I can talk about another time, but it all goes back to the song blessings. Everything goes back to like something to do with Drake. I mean not to be funny, but it's just like the obsession. So let's just be clear. Did you think that he didn't want you to have Drake on that record or did he want to be on that It was me

and Drake. It was me and Drake. My album was due immediately do that day. I played him. I had been playing in the music played on the final album. He said he heard Blessings and said, I have to be on here. And I was like, bro, I already got you on two songs on my album. He hopped on two other songs already on Dark scott Paradise. He was on One Man Could Change the World. He was on All Your Fall, so that would have been three songs he's on the album. He's I need to be

on this record. I was like, bro, my, my my preorder goes up tomorrow. He's like, we're about to do it right now. And I helped him write his verse for the song for Blessings. For Blessings okay, so I hit up Drake. Drake was the one who came up with the idea of the song. Drake had a concept like you know, a little scratch of the hook. We got in the studio and finished it together. So when I when I talked to Drake about it, Drake didn't want that. I wouldn't say he didn't want him on it.

I said, the song is already done, you know. He was just kind of on some like it don't really need it, don't really need all that. It's already long. It was three verses already, and he was like, I mean, we don't really need him on it. But what I said was and by the way, I helped Kanye write his verse. I said, Bro, Bro, gotta be on it. Bro, Like you know what I mean, Like he said he had to be on it. He gotta be on it.

So and I feel like that kind of I don't know if that had any effect on me and Drake relationship, but like I said, Drake wasn't like, don't put him on his ship. But I got the vibes, you know what I'm saying. So anyway, I write the verse for you. I tell everybody in the studio send it to Mastering, his engineer. Another person was in the room. Another person was the CEO of Good Send it to that. I'm like, my ship comes out tomorrow, okay, okay for shure. Next

day I hit a Mastering. I'm not an A and R by the way, and I'm calling Mastering. You get the verse? No, we didn't get any verse. My A and R like, oh, your pre order is up and it's going crazy. You didn't get you get you. I didn't get your verse to Mastering or going crazy easy on the phone, bro, preorder going crazy that the doctor we're gonna do the radio and the video version for Blessings? Is that cool? Yeah, it's cool. It's cool because he

didn't get into mastering. Right, I can see what this started. The froum. Okay, cool. Everything happens with videos songs is you know? Crazy? Next thing I know, we're shooting a video and he's he's spassing on me. You you did this because of you didn't do this because of like like I'm loyal to Drake over him or something. I'm like, Bro, you know I helped you write your verse. I was in the studio with you. But I had this conversation

with him a few times. And the reason that I know it, I know it'sist with him because when other things that would happen. You know, I need your support on this heat. You know, it's it always would come back to this. Other people will know this story without me saying anything. How the funk you know about like what? I had to pull him aside a few times and be like, yeah, you know, you know what happened right with that song on like I helped you write your verse.

So that's just that's one aspect could be more. And like I said, I ain't gonna hear gossip and telling what it is that what I'm saying is this ship got to do This ship got to do it. This is ship that I've been holding around and carrying around as a you know, as a soldier as you know, you know, some ship. But it's been bothering me, Bro,

it's been bothering me. And I'm like, I'm tired of like not being able to speak out because of other people and ship when people don't got that same regard for me, like I ain't like I ain't motherfucking put the work in, or like I ain't showed up for people are carried a label on my back. So but how it was, I don't know if you heard the Breakfash Club after the the interview dropped, the Brethash Club had did a survey, right, and they was like, um, well,

who do you guys agree with? Do you agree with Kanye? Oh? Do you agree with Big Sean? Did you hear it? Yeah? I did. I did you heard that? Right? Yeah? Because he used my my daughter is Charlotte Manavy. Yeah. Right. So they did a survey and a lot of people. I didn't see the actual thing because bro, I heard about it. Somebody hit me like, yo, they were showing love. You see how people supporting, but they were it was it was I would say, it was like pretty even, right.

So what happened was they were saying, so how you described it on our show was that you just went and supported I guess Hillary Clinton or the Democrats or whatever. And I didn't and I didn't. Here's how he described it. Here's the thing, and I didn't and I did not. In fact, I supported him and while he was running for president, I didn't have his fucking number. And I'm reaching I'm trying to reach out to him. So what I'm supposed to do support somebody that I can't even

get in contact with at the time, which I still did. So, uh, I don't care if people agree with me. If you think that, like I'm wrong in any way in this situation. You are you must I feel you. You love this man, I love this man whatever it is. You know what I'm saying. But that's fucking that's some fucking boyshit though, right, so listen because it's not true. Okay, so um, but let's just let's take it from how he I thought this was okay in his mind, he's running for president.

He puts on the magna hat, right, what you don't agree he's not running for president putting the magat Yeah, that's not what happens. I mean, this is pretty much all right, fucking taket back out of here. You know what I'm saying. Those two things are different. In my opinion. He wasn't well, he wasn't running when he wasn't he running for president at the same time or No, it's kind of hard for me to recall those timelines after

these eight shots. But I just get another one that's but you know what, but no, no, because um, but he's going to back. I hold of that. You're wait till you come back. No, I don't know. I'm good. I'm great because this is what I'm trying. I'm trying to understand him, right, And I'm trying to understand you what I'm trying to understand your relationship right because I'm outside looking it. Let's just be clear, I'm not fan

of both. For y'all, I had no idea like there was even a discrepancy, like like, if you really look at the footage, I'm clapping, I'm like first because it's because because it hit your ear on because it didn't make any sense. It doesn't, it didn't. But but a lot of but a lot of things. Bro. He animated, and he has a great delivery, right. He has tossed with such passion and he got he liked that inner child. He's like just straight and he's gonna say whatever you're

gonna hop on stage. He you know that's why we love him, Bro, he raw like that right, Yes, But I don't care who it is when you when when you say something untrue about anybody, say something that untrue about me, I gotta come up here and say as a man, like no, that ain't high going down. You know what I'm saying. You know, he gave me an opportunity on that, and I never will discount that. I give him that regard. You know what I'm saying, like the same respect how he was paying hoving here. You

know what I'm saying, I'm saying him. But so let's just let me just be clear. Uh. But that's besides the point though. But what he's trying to describe was at a point he felt like you were disloyal right now, regardless if you agree with his political campaigns or not. You know, and it was up some part. Bro It's just like he text me and being like yo, this, yo, this lying on this song that was my model for

a whole year. He didn't get up here nothing he said as as as trying to make me look crazy, like that's all the type of music I make, And that's not true. And the track record speaks for it, not anything, not people's opinions, even whether that's the song that maybe somebody only heard, But my track record speaks for itself. As far as millions of records sold and as far as impact Brock come, people come up to me. They don't come up to me and say as that.

People be like one man could change the world, change my life. You're going crazy on paradise. Can I wrap paradise with you? Really? Most people say, boy boy, I do it. I do it. That's what they'd be saying to me. You know what I'm saying. Ain't nobody ever came up to me and said as so. It was. It was a personal attack for no reason to you know, it was funny, though it was funny. It was funny. Yeah, it was funny. But I think it's whatever. But it

was funny to everybody else. But yeah, it's not funny, and it's not I shouldn't be. So let me just think that it's not funny to be because my whole city looking at me crazy. But when I go to the trait, they're looking at me crazy that I let this man sit up here and talk talk to me like that. I was talking about me like that, and I'm not. I can't. I can't sit up here and act like that. Funny. It's not funny because he made money off of that song. He made money off of

that song. He made more money off that song than I did. Because that's the type of deal I have. So what do you guys think about that? In my disloil in anyway? No, I mean, you know, I'm outside of it. And by the way, let me say this a lot of people would hit me. I don't know. This is it. This is the last we're gonna talk about. Brob bro, you know what I'm saying, Yeah, because I want you to work it out me as an outside of looking at But I don't know you apply, I

don't know you know where you're going through. I don't know what you've been through. So lets you talk um funk. I forgot what I was about to say. Now, I forgot what the fun was about together. Shot you ended it with that he made more money off the song. That's what she did. Yeah, yeah, all right, So what do y'all think as as like, do y'all think that's wrong in anyway? Do y'all think it's wrong that that man is up bees and he owes me or his

company allegedly owes me ms or no? And I'm not not something that because I'm a nice guy that I actually based on what you're saying, if you go off of what you're saying, of course, all right, well let's not talk about it no more. No, But what what what the important part was when he said the Vivindi part as if yeah, that's that's the thing. That is what he said they paid him. What you know, The point is that was my issue first. I went to them first because I like, I know, good music not

gonna play me like that. My brothers then my brothers. I didn't came through for them, but by the way, music for the whole everyone and then came through. Dad came through for me. But he also said, I'm just being there with advocate. He also said that he didn't he doesn't own that. The only thing that he owns was um good music, yeah, he said to hen. He said, only he fully owns was Jesus the Sleeker company. He said that, yeah, he probably don't own it fully. But

that's that's what I'm trying to say. Like, how how connected is he to the actual company? Well he can't. I'm just I'm just saying, some people, how is he micromanaging that company? Is he macro managing that company? Does he know it's the same relation of drink Champs the show being our Revolt TV. They distribute your show, but you're the owner of the show. See what I'm saying. I don't think it's gonna be the same. But he's

trying to say, I don't know, I know it. No, I'm not saying that it's the exact percentage, but I'm saying instead same relation. And you know what I'm saying even the way, I just think that's a different kind of situation. You're not hearing me, man, You're not hearing. What I'm saying is the money came to good music that I was old, my little crumbs and scraps that I made in a deal that my man's, my manager

said was the worst deal he ever seen. It's a great opportunity for me, right obviously, because I worked my I can work my way out of anything. But I'm from Detroit, period, so I can work my way out of anything. So what I'm saying is I worked my way out of the deal when most when nobody else that's ever been signing good music, has work their way

out of this type of deal that I'm in. Five albums, back to back to back number one albums, over fifty some million records sold, all these things, Platinum songs, all these things. Right, the money, the money that I accumulated during that deal from Royal Teas have been paid. I've spent hundreds of thousands of my money to get a analytical report, not an opinion not like well he awe you know, he owe you know, he owe you. This is forenstic scientists. This is a world. That's what that's

what order it is. That's why. Yeah, see what I'm saying. So it's not about like Vivindi. Okay, so now let me ask you talk about the real like this music music musical world. Okay. Well, if it's not him and somebody at Good Music, somebody from Good Music Records owes mean millions. It may not be Kanye. I don't know really, but who else owns it? I don't know. I just feel like a true question. Actually, but actually I'm not even gonna say that because everything I said can be used.

It gets me in the court of loss. So I'm gonna go ahead and say that I'm owed six million dollars and from Kanye West is label Good Music, and that's just what it is. I don't talk about this ship no more. Man, I can get cool and then we can get get over this. Okay, But let me ask you face to face, man, and man, have you ever just sat down with him and just said your look let me how let you pull you to the side, no media, no nothing, Yo, Yeah I did differensic sites.

Just they came this, this and this, This is what happened. This is what I feel like. I'm old. You know, Okay, I'll tell you why I haven't because I got so much respect for bro that when we in a vibe, whenever we link, they don't be their appropriate time. And I'm from a city, I'm from a place where I know the appropriate time to address things like that. You know, I know a time. There's a time and place for business,

There's a time and place to be creative. There's a time and place right And I had that much respect to not bringing up in certain situations and let the business people deal with that. Ship. You're absolutely right, You're absolutely correct. But if I have a business relationship with one of my homies and I see him a couple of times and he doesn't address me, and did I see him address me in public, It's almost like, why the fund didn't you just pulled me to that? That's

how I felt. Yeah, So I'm saying why didn't you once you knew you was old. I'm not saying you're wrong or not like that. I'm just asking as as as as approach, And that's outside of looking in it once. You didn't know that. Why you ain't just say you know your home and let me talk to you. Because by the time I find out, the only time I saw him was at Sunday Service recently. Yeah, wow, before the interview came out. Before the interview came out, And

I wasn't about to holler him at Sunday Service. I wasn't about to do that. But you did say on Breathast Club that you felt like he was he was old. Since I didn't say that, Okay, well, somebody else looked information and I didn't even to know it. I didn't. That's what may actually made me look into this situation more. Charlotte. Man must be cool with somebody at Universal who told him, which, by the way, it was a wrong number. But what did he said? I don't know, but it was the

wrong number because it was way more than that. So that wasn't me that. I think that was another thing, and I think I was I was talking at And you can see how sometimes that person who could think that because they're thinking, like yo, using the studio with Jay your man leaked the picture, you know what I'm saying. And then that communication, yeah you said communication, say the nation. Did you say that communication is the bridge to salvation, that God is holding our hand to walk across on.

You can't see how maybe they thought that, like like al right, cool, absolutely, okay, absolutely, And that's why I don't take care of you. And that's why I don't take a personal Honestly, that's first. I don't. I don't take a personal. I can't because that's too much of a burden for me to carry, you know what I'm saying. That's why I and leaving it all the business, you know, and me talking about it is relieving. But at the

same time, it's, uh, it's it's embarrassing too. But you know what I'm saying, It's embarrassing because I really, well, I really like I was proud of it. I was really proud to be on good music, you know what I'm saying. I was really proud to be signing a you know, that was my idol, that was one of my heroes, you know what I'm saying, my favorite artists. So it's, uh, it's it's hurtful, bro, it's hurtful to hear those words. I expect, I expect, I expect you're

breaking that down. I really do, and I'm not a perfect person. Like you said, maybe I should have brought it up to him, but I just also listen to my heart and my intuition and it didn't feel like the right time. So that's just where I'm leaving it. That. Yeah, that's that's real, yo, bro. I definitely expected you to take the other route around, because you know, we're all we're all pall. I'm never I would never tear another black man down in America. That's some whole ass ship.

I would never tear another man down, especially somebody who changed my life. But I am gonna stand up for myself and called my brother, called my rather, it's my mom o, call my call my dad out, my uncle out. I'm gonna call anybody who means everything to me, and I'm gonna say that's some fucking bullshit. So you think so you think I'm not trying to reiterate it. It was the moment that you didn't put them on blessings that like things just just deteriorated or yep. I mean,

I think that was the start of it. There was, there was a couple of other things, but that's just I feel like that's where it started. You know, but I ain't. Like I said, this ain't nonna tell all books, man, because I mean, but I mean, it's an interview. It's an interview where I want to share with my fans and ship though, because are people who got loved for me or people even who don't got love for me?

Because my narrative is being twisted around because somebody said, because somebody said that I came out of support of Democrats and did whatever whatever, and somebody said this to ask whatever it was, Bro, that ain't who That ain't who I am. I'm coming here personally after I had the two stressful last week's just now, after I was holding my family, I got bags under my eyes. So you're good. I'm sitting up here getting drunk and ship.

You're good at shot. It's important. It's important to me. Yeah, I respect. I respect your honestly. I look at you your face, I expect your honesty. But you're all brothers. We are brothers. So what is your solution to rectify this? You're being noble, Get some fish, um with some sushi, with some with some chopsticks. I just man, just respect. Where is the respect that? Where is the respect that that's what I'm trying to figure out. Okay, you want you want me to meet with somebody who I feel

you and I'm that type of guy. I am right, but the disrespect, But do you want to apologize to I think you said you and your mom. Didn't you invite you guys to apologize? H he said to begin healing on both sides, And I just like I was angry because it's not equal to me healing like I feel him. But you know that may have been me caught up in my ego, caught up in my uh

not my highest self. You know what I'm saying at that at the time because it was such a shock to hear those words come out from uh A mentors somebody who you know you. I don't think I'm gonna be honest again, I'm outside looking at I think he's just saying that just to be to the funk with you, Like, I don't think he meant that at all. I think it was it was it was a moment we got him just as drunk as you, well you're a little less as you're not drinking taking a shot. I got that.

Let me fill up. But I don't I don't think I think. I mean, I agree, I mean he took me under it. Like regardless if we don't agree and we have ship, I'm supposed to be his little brother to me. And if he and if he's supposed to be my o G. You know, I need support to you know what I'm saying that. And by the way, I did support him. I publicly supported him. I tweeted Kanye for president. The things he was saying had no facts.

So that's what it was. Like that, and you know, I feel like I feel like a lot of the things he was saying, but that just that hit everybody's ear wrong. You were like yeah, I mean continued you were like yeah, because I mean, nobody understood. Nobody understood it. But like I said, bro, I didn't come up here to give a response to Kanye West. I knew that that was gonna come up. But I came appear to have an interview with you because you had a problem

with me too. Yeah, you know you're ready a right, right now, you're ready. Let me just tell you that. So you had an issue. I love, I love let me tell you so I was so I'm still a fan of you. I just went and I brought a record to you. I'm gonna show you because you brought it to me. You gave me a CD. Yep, New Jersey. I don't know it is in New Jersey. Mike Brinkley. Remember Mike Brinkley. Remember Mike Brinkley. See yeah we did now yeah Mike brinks Yeah. So so I wrung Mike

Brinkley a CD and I gave it to us. You'll listen. And all I wanted from you, I was just like wanted you to tell me yo, listen, man, I don't like the record or whatever whatever. I just found no communication. I gave you my number. Yeah, and he was. He was on the show with Chris Sean Shan Chris Sean, Chris Okay, okay, so this is yeah yeah yeah that far back, I thought I believe him because he's shop. Do you remember when you remember what year you started

Dream Champs? You remember what? Ye? Yeah, so this is the reason why when you see me before that. Yeah. So that's that. That was it pretty much. I feel like you're fronting on me like like everyone I ever did remember when you was Okay, it was likelve right Sean Chris sounds about it was something. Yeah. So I gave you a CD. I thought it was great. I just never heard you. So that was the thing. Is was like, I don't mind, like I'm a fucking artist. Like you call me and say I don't like the record,

the hocus trash. You can tell me, so so let me tell you, let me finish it, let me pass you. Because you broke it up. I didn't bring it up right, so I was gonna could. I could have did everything that communication communication. So I'm hitting Mike Brinkley. Now this is the reason why I forgive you, because one let me just tell you something. You hit Mike Brinkley. I hate Mike Brinkley. And Mike Brunley said, yeah, I might have dropped the balls the first time I said it publicly.

Mike Brinkley hite me. Was like, so I forgive you, but this is forgive me that. Yeah, I did. You gotta watch other episodes. You want to watch a couple? Okay, only man nas nas Eskeootball ever called me for and I said something on the dream camps and nas Esketball called me. I said, listen, big Sean is a good one.

He said that yes, And I said that out my brother Nas man clapping that to tell you something, when he called me for two people, and this twenty four year career that I'm talking about were from the foul side, and we know the foul sniggers in the universe. He called me for one other dude, he said, forgive him. But when it came to big to you, he told me, I misunderstood you because I don't got no ego like that bro, like I don't got no let prospect. I felt.

I felt like, damn, you had the light at the time you was. I came to your show. It was in New Jerky that came to your show, and I felt like I humble myself because I I'm humble myself and I'm like, yo, yo, you know, I would like you to do a record with me. You know what I mean, Like, I'm funk with you, and I get it. I get it. He was coming off the show. He was coming on the stage this and I came up

the stage many time with the tower on. I know what that feels like, I don't know here I'm gonna hear, but you waiting like yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, And I said, damn, when I felt no communication coming from you, that's when I was like, damn this this new generation is different. So that's the reason why it was that energy. But again, okay, it was let me o um coming off stage. I don't know what was on my mind. It was hot. He was lit. No not not that, I'm not no, no,

no listening too. I remember we went to Philly after that and my grandma was dying. She went to hospice. This is the next show. I remember in Philly, I was a cosmic cab and everybody shot out the field. H and maybe it was one show in between a few days in between how I went home and miraculously, my grandma was on hospice and my whole family came together. She was about to die, and they took her off the machines and all of a sudden she started coming

back alive. We were there for days. So my point is, I respect you, but I really do. Yeah, that's why I want to do it soon. But you never know what somebody's going through. Bro, You never know somebody, and you gotta treat people like they're going through something. What I'm saying everybody, I learned that in my days I was going through something. I know. That's why I came to you, and I'm not trying to make it feel bad.

I'm not. I'm just keeping it real. You know. I respect that people go through, you know, like losing losing a relative. She didn't even she ended up living a few more years though, because I actually made a record. I said, the only dude to actually get on the song, and then he never did. It was with Sean that I said that, you guys, I should have gone, I've been in this game twenty one. You know we're still alive. Let's do the record. I knew we're gonna get it done.

I know we're gonna get done. I was you know how you took it Verston over Kanye and me and you have two different plates. But I had to get personally because I was like, damn, like when we met each other, we shaped hand because you said the first time you met was in town. That's not the first time you met men in Jersey. I remember you was on your high, you was, you was platinum. Trust me, I've been plating them, so I love it. Yes, I was like I'm sitting there, but this the thing is,

you're gonna be me. Eventually, You're gonna be me and you're gonna it's not gonna be forty two dog from your city. It's gonna be excuse me for a two dog. It's gonna be Aloha from from Philly. And you're gonna you donna want to hide at him and when he don't get back. The thing about it, see, let me let me tell you something. Let men say something, let me let me go here. Bro, okay, hawks, I'm in,

I'm you know. Let me just say something. Because when you were older statesman, in this game, you be one. It's just like you jong hold whatever you did, regardless of what I was going through it all, You're right, You're not you. But I'm staying. In general, I always look at your homies up and get what's up? Bro? You know a dude, And then we're looking at me and I'm like, everything you did, you did? I actually did you know? A wife is right there, but he

was figure popping early, Yes, he was outside. I did everything. So sometimes and the thing about it is, this is the this is the worst thing ever. Right. It's when you you floating and you're winning in life, but you want to come down and you want to highlight somebody and they look at not you. I'm not saying you particularly, but I'm saying because um, I can't say who who? Who asked me the other day, but they asked me.

They said, can't you speak to Travis? Man? You gotta say, Man, all this fucking ship I've been it is well, because this it's really should they say, speak to Travis? And I said, speak the Travis and I was. I was scared to reach out to Travis because I didn't know if if Travis would respond or even respect who I am. I don't even know. But then I had to think about it. The last time I've seen Travis, you know, the last time I seeing Travis and Pop party and he looked at me and he at the house and

he hit me with his braids, dreaming like that. I said, this ship just hit me bomb oh ship? He said, can I be on drink chats? I said, holy ship, traps? Okay, my fault the same way, like how you I love what you just did. I love that because I was. I was about to say I was, but I really was.

I really was with you. And then it turned me off because I said, damn, this young generation sometimes I don't understand I am honestly bro, I feel it and regardless of whatever I had going on, it's like ship, I can honestly set up here and say I'm a whole different person and I'm just saying I respect that. You know what I'm saying. You gotta take a shot for that and and let me and I also want

to say something and I don't know. We don't want to keep talking about this, but I want you, yeah, you to work this out, because this is what this show was about. This show was about promoting Black Latino togetherness. None of us really knew what he was getting into. Like, I'm gonna be honest with you, I wanted to go to Jamaica Queen's I never knew I could drive with Jamaica Jamaica, Like this is really that was my goal

of wrapping. I don't know where your goal you might because you g p A is very different, but my my g p A was very small, like forty projects, you know what I'm saying. Like I was like, yo, if I'm the man in forty projects, I'm ill. I'm the man in Left Rock already, let me be the man in Queen's Bridge. But when I became a Canada world,

it's like, you know, we're blessed. We're really really blessed, Like I really enjoyed when you order the water and the white girl came through with the Fiji water that was sold. No, they're laughing. That's that's what that's what we work for. We work to be com with that and then right, that is success when you could sit around and say I'm blessed, because I'm way I feel blessed. Serious, Let's do another shot. You point your shot, you ain't take it? I did I take it. I'm watch he

took it. Just taking let's take it on the one. I'm taking another one guy down? Yeah yeah, So why would I stop that record? Gonna have a text from my mom my, MoMA bade we love we love that. Why would I stop that record? Why? Why? Why would you stop? You only you only lose when you stop, bro? So what the funk? I gotta why would I do that? Like I've done a lot of things I wanted to do, And I remember I was with my man's earl and I'm like, yeah, I gotta you know, new album, I'm

doing this doing that. He's like, well, what do you want to do? Like you didn't already you already did it man, like, so you know, I do want to put more energy into like a label. I do want to find other artists that I can help out. I do want to lend you know an opportunity. And once you sign an artist, they're gonna be coming at you, just like you're coming there. Yeah, I'm not coming at you, bro a little bit. No, I'm not. This is right or not? How am not coming at him in anyway? Right?

Right right? I'm not coming at him, bro. I I am just literally stating all facts. I may have delivered it passionately, but all I was saying was not opinionated at all. It was all facts. That's that's it. I would never publicly bash my brother like. I would not do that. I'm not. I would never, like I said, would not bashing black man. I'm sitting here and just saying all facts and how I felt sit. I ain't

saying he right, I ain't saying he wrong. And if I did say that, it's because you have me drunken and this bitch. But how I really feel, how I really feel, is that I'm just staying all facts because it was facts stated up here about me that was wrong. Facts facts. It's got great, it's got great. Let me actually like more making a record of performing the record. I'm sorry you put the RP sign up there. I'm sorry, man, it's just just a sit right for me. I'm sorry.

I don't know who that wasn't here? Man, let me see that you're funning yourself and putting this in this most it was halloween, you know what. You know what's crazy is it's so many people that really are r I P. Though, really did that? It ain't even funny to joke about that. Yeah, that's true, know what I'm saying. So it's not to bring the mood down and ship but you didn't, did you? Yeah? Okay, shot, especially leaving alone. No, yeah, I'm just looking. I'm just looking at this ship this man,

unless you want to punch you know this man? Really, this man really picked this up and said that that's the worst decision. It was Halloween, though it was. This is a different one, probably his biggest investment he's ever made the music. But make himself beside himself. Do we make a noise for that? Yeah, but let's not. But let's not front. It wasn't even cousin music, bro, It's because it's some bullshit that wasn't even true. He said, there was some political bullshit. So this ship are you

talking about? This ship? This ship don't even make no sense. It makes no sense. Okay, uh So what do you like more making the music of performing the music? I like? I like performing the music. I missed that too. One of my first major shows coming back up is gonna be Coachella and touring and all of that. I'm excited to get back to it, you know what I'm saying. I like performing it because when you make music, you know,

it's it's like a higher, It's like some high. You know, it's one of the most intimate things you can do in this universe. You're literally creating something from nothing, you know what I'm saying. You're pulling things that don't exist and putting it into a song, making a song, you know, producing a song. So that's a crazy, crazy, um just process process when you think about it. But performing it is when you see the impact that it had on the people and you see tears in their energy. Right,

you can feed off of it. I've gone on stage sick as a mother fuck. I'm sure you have two and got on stage and your should be gone. You ain't got no call no more, you ain't got no flu no more. And you on that bitch, that adrenaline going because they feed you that energy and the impact is immeasurable. You know. The greatest act that you can give somebody is the act of inspiration. Is that is

you know? And to me, when you inspire the people, when you inspire the fans like that, that's the ship, bro, that's the ship. And you on the twenties too, right, what's your rold on the twin what are you doing? You finger about in a way? Huh you think about? That's my homegirl? Yeah, so you fingerp some ship in the twenties is what you're doing? Some ship? What you're doing? Yeah, that's the hook you're going you're gonna do for me? Up ship? I don't know. Let's just figure it out.

I said, let's figure it out. And they're gonna go through the airport at least at least your keys confirmed six pm. You can make it, okay, okay, um, it's the it's the first show that I actually got to act on. You know what I'm saying, I'm playing a Tristan on there, and he Uh, you know, just watch the show. It's a good show man. It's my first time, you know, acting as a whole character. I can relate to the character in a lot of ways. You know what I'm saying. It's a show. Tristan, he's a nigger

that doesn't have a phone. So he doesn't have a phone. No, he doesn't have a phone. He's a photographer. He's a photographer who do yoga, doesn't have a phone, doesn't funk with social media. Right, that's how it started. Get hired for ship by email. That's part of the show. Has an email. He's not a loser. He's not a loser. He the man. He's the man without a phone. Because losers are the ones that are addicted to the Internet. Was a losers the losers. He don't got a phone,

he don't got Twitter. The face by the way, the people who um the people who can't separate the Internet in real life. Yes, it's true, you know what I'm saying. Those are two different things, different things. So anyway, this guy on the show twenties, he doesn't have a phone. He doesn't know he's a photographer. He sees this girl, one of the main characters on the show. They end up she's newly uh celibate, right, not having sex. So she's a new version. She's a new version. I'm my

character is used to having sex. You're not a new version. I'm not a new version. I like it. He fucking with her, and a lot of drama goes down between him because he you know, he puts he tells her how it is. You know, he's like, yeah, you want some bullshit. You're getting too caught up in this social media world. You're getting too caught up like we out here, you know, having a time and on a hike, and you're worried about people commenting on your ship. We are

hearing this is affecting our time. And she's a celibate one that's on social media, the celibate one on social media talking the twist, Yeah, talking to another dude. I end up getting on social media, end up being on some bullshit. I end up getting on social media and like trusted, trusted, tryst. Now that's a good show. Lean Away if you know she incredible, incredible, just you watch the shot. Yeah, fantastic, it is. It's hard and I

watched um. I liked her on Master None as well you want to go there, by the way, you know the reason or another reason. I'm building a movie theater because I'm an actual movie I have great taste in movies. Like, if you ever want a good movie suggestion, you should call me. The top five movies, top five movie. I'm affended because I feel the same way. I mean, let's go dumb movies first. Okay, yeah, because we can categorize them quick. We gotta do this quick. No, all time,

not dumb. With time. You're gonna sit up here as me about Tupac and d M Max and fucking Drae. All time dumb movie. No, all time comedy, Top five comedy, No overall in the school comedy, no section alright overall overall is great already life one for me? That motherfucker Okay, it was fun Okay, that motherfucker movie really hits you hard because when their whole life go by and in prison, for some boys feel like you're thinking of you're it's just like no, but it's funny, right all to get

you gonna eat your corn? Funny right, But for real, this is happening too many people wrong for incarceration, People who are locked up for no fucking reason for being in the wrong place at the wrong time, for getting blamed for something they didn't do, for doing something that you know, for them changing not even being the same person as they was when they made a mistake. Bro that ship his core for me, that that movie like, so I feel you on that so into my life.

I'm saw my life. Okay, So what is your no? Go ahead? Top five? Quick, that's a good one. But go ahead. American me. Oh man, you said one of them on You never said American me on here he got that actual movies, actual movies, Mother Little Guy as the movie I'm two but two, I'm on fire, right man, right, okay, yes you are. Yeah, go ahead, man, get out of now. I want two of yours. I want two of yours and two of yours. Man, I said top five, you got me too, because I don't want to sun up.

You know you don't want them on Shock Redemptions though. Damn that's good. That's good that you've seen shows that they did based in the universe on Hulu. Um it's called Castle Rock but anyway, go ahead, but yeah, that that one's good. Um, yeah, I was. I would say American slice that one from you. I mean that's school. You're a hunting. That's a good one. Okay, we need too from you. I really like Forrest Gump. That's a great movie. I'm taking that, taking this one. That's one.

That's that's that's one of my top five. Okay. I like Malcolm X. That's cool. You got to you gotta relax. I'll see you. You're a real rapper. You're trying to take the balls, but then you six six balls. That was six. Then I like the Matrix, which one the first one? His name and I'm not Anderson. I'm going three. I'm going three, going three. Dark Knight too. Is Juice? Okay, Juice is crazy? Yeah, Juice is Doop go three? Yeah, brother, you know what, Juice was crazy because Tupart really did

that ship bro delivered. That was like one of the best parts of the movie. He really embody that villain ish. Uh, that's why it's real life. Tupop made me shooting nigga yeah period, And Juice inspired me to be to DJ that watching that movie. He was cute from he was local. I was just a positive dy. I need to get my turn tables after Juice. You know, I always poke with Butcher Rock every time, like he brought me up, like you cute, you local. He hates me when I

say that. All right, So what's your third movie? Man? I want just to tell your favorite movie. I'm a Goonies fanatic. Okay, that was all. That was all. Okay, your third movie, Wolf of Wall Street. It gets me emotional, brom it gets me emotional. Every time I watched that. I watched that movie, like not watched it, but I've had it on in the studio sometimes like that for his Gun Matrix, Dark Knight, like movies that I've probably

watched over fifty times just by having them on. But every time I'm just like he had the opportunity two he funked up so bad and had opportunity to like preserve it all, pay the I r s off, get him off his back. I have to do is to step down from the company and still could be a part of the company. And his ego got in a way, and it was one of the biggest lessons I ever learned watching the movie. It was like, you gotta just know that everything is uh temporary. When you try and

hold on in something, that's when it can destroy you. Anything. You know, people, seasons, places, things are all temporary, and that's why you have to enjoy that present, right. So that's what that movie taught me the most out of anything. I mean, of course, all the like the quay lous and ship all you know, to turn him get into the Lamborghini crazy real confused how he didn't get the oscar for that one? Really? I mean I really felt like he was high, Yeah, Leo, because he was too

close to Jeff Bezel. Girls. It wasn't gonna Yeah. I ran into him at a party one time, Leo, Leo, Yeah, and he was telling me about no actually respects me. This is no. But he did the jet Bezo though. Yeah, what was the movie he was in a wild Um, I can't think of the name because you got me drunken ship, but the one that he was by himself, that was where he lost his son and Tom Harden. That is crazy. That movie is crazy. H No, it was the repe Is that what it was called? You sure? Yeah? Yeah,

That's what I'm talking about. Yeah, that's just ill. I don't know why I couldn't think of the title. But anyway, he was telling me that he was eating a liver and that bitch, and he's a vegan, vegetarian and vegan he committed to that rule. Well, I'm like, damn, that's fun up because they could have just made you eat like some beats or something that looked like a liver. He was like, man, they had me in the liver and I threw up in a scene and I really threw up, and they kept it in the movie. And

he was like, that was me throwing up. And I was like, that's fine. Deserved about next. Yeah, mhm, not your leading, Okay, Jack Black exactly, Jack Black is that nasty can come on, you know, Jack Black is one of the motherfucker's Jack Black is that dude. When I when I met him, that's somebody. When I met I was like, damn, you met Jack Black. I met Jack Black. Jack Black would be hilarious on Drink Channel. Yeah, I never met your king took up about the Jack Black story.

I met him on the first day. The first day I went on with Janet, I met Jack Black. Like how you keep talking about Yeah, I'm like, she's amazing because your face keeps lighting up if you speaking about I'm going to know. I mean, I'm just speaking facts. Though. The first time. I don't know, I met Jack Blacks your head and I like, I like at your face, like okay, yeah that was and I met Jack Black the way it was your Lakers game. Yeah, yeah, the

Lakers game, little dude fifth on Friday's fault? What about Friday? Of course, I think we need to go into Genres Cocain. Okay, you what John do you want? You know what I'm saying, because it is it revolutionized how nobody said half make half big, half Big? Is that motherfucker from Half Baked that get a lot of rotases? I get my mom Cuban be from that whole ship is from half Biggs.

Who would have thought Dave Chappelle? All right, who would have thought from that movie that Dave Chappelle would be Dave Chappelle? Now, I would have never never think that. Yeah, I don't never guessed that nigga. I would have never guessed that nigga. Yeah, he literally like the whole of a comedy. Yeah, like like you see he had a show on mater a hole. Then who's Kevin Hart? Because we can't discount Kevin Hart. Kevin Heart. That Kevin might be Eddie Man like coming from paper might be Eddie.

Now you said, but you said he was the mul oh related to hip hop. Damn, you're sucking me up. Who knows whatever? Whatever he might be, he might be naseer. You can't compare him. You think Dave Chappelle, he Kevin Heart. That moment was his legends. You know what I'm saying. Okay, So you get married next year, whoever you get married to. You got one comedian m hm to Chappelle, Kevin Hard at a wedding. At a wedding, who you pick one comedian at a wedding? Yeah, I mean the other nigga

can't catch the private plane. He missed the private plane. He's he's in spaces X with somebody else. Who are you going with? Well, let me think about their styles of comedy. Kevin No, no, listen, listen, Kevin Heart. That's Kevin Heart of roast y'all asked pretty good though, Like he would make this ship funny, right, Kevin Kevin Hard can do that. Like, and I'm talking about personal not

necessarily like you know what I'm talking about. I've been in personal rules from him, and he's tearing the ship. He's tearing somebody apart. Dave Chappelle can hit that soul sometimes though. Dave Chappelle no my daddy. So if I had to pick one, I'm gonna go with Dave Chappelle because he all, he like, he probably gonna he probably gonna figure some ship out that that's gonna bring everybody to tears and make everybody laughing, crying to You're gonna

make you cry too, different ways and one speech. You know what I'm saying. What was it like the day you got your rocket fell the chain? The day I got my rocket Feller chain. I was in New York City, and then he was in New York. I was in New York in the brief place of the Mecca. It was in New York and it was before I dropped my second number one album. I decided, and um, Hove, you know, Hope is really involved in management. Uh in rock Nation, Imbrock Nation. Let's him, Yeah, let's pick him up.

He's involved. And I mentioned to him one time that the rocket Feller chain he had was hard, And next thing you know, he texts me and say, yeah, he was like my too hard? What side you want? Like the funk? Like he didn't see me A picture of a small one and a big one. I was like, yeah, fucking right. I'm like, I'm thinking he's gonna send me the invoice. You know. That's and I was cool with

that ship I got. You know, I could have for the forty like yeah, okay ship, Okay, that's the label would do it too, Yeah, like yeah, okay, yeah, I'm with the jeweler. Go ahead, just you know. And I still would have been like, I mean, I paid for all my ship, you know what. So man, I just remember that he hit me. I was in town. I was going about to do Funk Flex and my alument just came out. I was performing on Jimmy found a lot of ship going on, and the jeweler hit me

and was like, I got something for you. I pulled up in the Diamond district. Um a jeweler is this? Come on? I'm kind of moved it. It's Raffaelo, right fella, where's the Rafaelo? Whoa C edit that part of it right now? It was gay. It wasn't Rafayelo. I'm embarrassed. I don't remember the name. So I don't put this on everything stage. Let everything everything stick. It was on the diamond this shrip. You're sucking me up. Man. It's okay, it's beautiful because I'm just obviously you got me in

this bit twisted beautiful. Would you like? You know? This is the new rock No listen finished, shut out black own businesses, shout out the black owned business But it just so I run inside. I grabbed the chain, Cuban link, rocket fell you know all go Cuban League, Rocketfeller chain, and um, it just reminded me that motherfucking that that power of your mind is real. Bro. He's used to want that Rocketfeller chain growing up. And the Jesus Peace too. I remember when I got to Jesus Peace to Jacob,

Jesus Peace from you. Don c was the one who actually gave it to me from you, you know, courtesy, and um, when I lost my Jesus Peace, Cutty gave me his. That's what I'm saying. That the type of brotherhood that was going on with us, you know what I'm saying. So when I say that, when I talk about that good music, it's like that that was a real brotherhood to me. And you know, getting Rocketfeller chains and Jesus pieces and all those things. They got a

deeper slavery to him. Let me ask you, at what point in your career did you lose with Jesus Because Jesus pieces write a passage, right, So you lost your Jesus peace and Cutty replaced it. Yeah. I lost my Jesus Peace and I didn't have enough money to replace it. Um. And I was at a show. I was doing a show sold out at the Key or somewhere, uh, the Fine whatever theater that is on a Hollywood boulevard between

Vine and Um where Rosco's is. And he came to the show and that and that was and that was around the time when he was when he was leaving good music as well, you know, um and starting his own, starting his own you know what I'm saying. And he gave me to Jesus peace and he said, you know, this brought me a lot of luck. And you know, I hope they do the same for you. So you watched this documentary. I didn't watch it yet. No, I ain't watching yet. No, let's take a shot if you

know watching. I'm just being honest because you should have watched it. That's that's the homie is I am't gonna watch it. They speak they speak about you very holly. No, I ain't gonna watch Do you want a Japanese? Are you gonna do? What? Did they say? It's beautiful? Man, Yeah, it's just beautiful. Just let me ride. Yeah, come on, don't order. I really know ye give us some forty two? How do you call it four? To give him some four or two? Not forty two? Sean, I really appreciate you.

Don't overdo them, bro, you don't have to do You don't like that you have to do them like that. Bro, I'm gonna watch that. I'm gonna watch the Cutty documentary though. No, it's it's very good. I've been Uh, that's not that's not what's going to take this. First before you go to this person, Sottles, I want you to know something everything that you're going through, as far as knowing your business, it's absolutely correct. I've done that myself. I didn't know

about what it is. Can you probably have? I don't think tragic you can. You can't write about it. You don't think Martin might have. I think I've been through that. My only concern is did disconnect And I don't want to keep going back to this. But disconnect was you guys speaking, and I know you you probably said because you said earlier you said you didn't have his number. One of me if I say, understandable, but mean on people like Nas, knowing people like Jay, you knowing people

like Puff. But I think he wanted from you was to ride with him to the end. All right, I think you were. I think I think I think you were. I think you but I think it wasn't clear to him. I'm not on his side, on your side, I'm on the side of truth. I'm on the side of positivity. I want your brothers to work it out. Had I been whatever he said, I would have tried to stop. But I couldn't because at first I'm thinking he's bigging

you up. So I'm sitting there. Yes, but as a brother, we sat and we hung out two days later, and I know for a fact he didn't mean his statements. His statements was coming from probably a hurtful stands. As we all are, we're all human. None of us are impeccable, right, Well, you should be impeccable with your words. I respect that. But as I keep trying to get you to take a shot, you keep saying nope. I took a shot. Let's take another one. Let's but let me feel I'm

just deep. This is deep statement. And what I want to say is the manage your brother. He loves you. I feel like he was and I can't speak for him, but I feel like he was hurt at the moment and he had her smoke ship is up. Smoked it not smoked it? Good? Good god? Yeah, I'm just joined the great You could just join the grades. Can you

smoked it now? I alright, alright? Statement so saying basically that we need to work it out here, I really would like you guys to work it out, because I ain't know when he said that that was the worst thing he ever did. He wasn't saying the worst thing he ever did financially. And I knew that's how you broke it down. That's why I wanted you to bring it down. That's not what he meant. He meant that He's probably this is what I think he meant. I cannot think how him. This is one of his most

loyal you know, you say he felt betrayed. That's what I think. I think that he was like everyone in the world, Big Seawan can't leave me, Big is not the guy that's gonna walk away. So when you said the worst thing, and this is me knowing about any of you, you looking got his facial expressions, looking at everything, That's what I think he meant. Do you agree with me? Or um? Yeah? I mean I think he just thought that I was not lords to him. You know, I

don't think he meant it on it. I didn't think he meant his worst financial decision, because he didn't say that. He just said the worst decision. So that's why I took a personal you know what I'm saying. But then he explained because you know, came out of support of the Democrats, which just wasn't true. So therefore the statement has no validity to it. So to me, it's not even in false. So that's why you know, I'm glad you brought it up. Good. That's no truth to it.

But what I can say is that there is factual truth that I am old money. That's a fact. That's a fact. That's not like a twisted fact. That's not like an opinion. That's not like being like you man, when you had to meet your CD back when he was at this, man, I didn't you know what I'm saying, how don man, you know whatever, whatever the case is. Yeah, there's a different bro. This is a fact. So we did establish that you never actually sat school to him as a home. You're right, and if we was to

do that, like I'm asking you, this is gonna. I'm so sorry that y'all relationship is public. Right, But let's suppose this interview drops out, he sees it and he goes, Sean, let's be immallible. Uh, let's go ri some home. I don't think that's what's gonna happen. He's probably gonna be mad, Like, I don't think you say anything wrong. So I don't think you said I didn't say anything wrong. And you

know what I mean. To keep it real with you, I have tried to text him about things before, and when it gets over two or three lines, he said, this text is too long. We ain't texting. I ain't so so I have tried to communicate. So I'm not gonna sit up here and say like I have tried to go into things before. I have tried to open up to him via that way. Now it has been times in person, but Bro, I'm somebody who respects the vibe you know, I hate what motherfucker's don't respect the vibe.

But let me when I'm in the studio, this is not the time to bring up in a fucking business. To me, I hate it. A matter of fact, I hate it when when I am when I'm sucking my girl, bro, when I'm in the pussy, don't talk to me about my mom. This is not the time for that, I don't think. So don't talk to me about something that ain't got nothing to do with something. So I'm gonna vibe musically. Sometimes when you bring up some ship, it

throws the vibe ofll no but for you. But what I'm saying is I haven't had the opportunity to meet and sit and talking with him. I haven't had an opportunity since I've known that. For a fact, people may have thought that I leave that information. When when Charlotta Magne first said the amount of money he owed me, I hadn't thought that. I called Charlotte Maagne. I called Charlotte Magne. It was like, who the fun told you that?

And then when I talked to somebody on you know who was representing at the time, they was like, are you leaking in? I'm like, bro, I didn't leave the ship. But sometimes when I say things, I don't think people hear me right, Like I didn't leave you. I'm not lying to you. I would I would never lie to know about no man in my life, about no ship like that, I said. I didn't say it after after Charlottagne leaked did have you ever been in the same

room with y'all? And then I said on the song with BENI the butcher as labels as upbees, that only MS or something like that. But that's when I, honestly, that's when I thought Universal was owing me some money too, you know what I'm saying. That's when when that audit was going on, because I'm like, yo, I need these MS. And then later on it came out after they did they researched that that money was paid m hm already

the money was already paid out. And but my contract, instead of getting my money paid directly to me, which I would do if I signed an artist any woralties that they're old get directly from the distribute distribution, he had to go you know, like some cash money type ship. You know what I'm saying, Like it goes to them and they pay you out. So let's just say Easter Sunday, Oh white, Yeah, bunnies everywhere. Okay, what's that your call?

I had a car bones incident. Well nuts, wal hunts and bunnies, wal nuts and bunny What are you talking about? But let's just write with it. He's going some and meet up Easter Sunday when they gotta wait that long. First of all, I don't know. I just feel like that's when it is coming back. Just for real. Yeah, meet up Easter Sunday, you expressed, because I imagine how you just spoke to us. You know, this cameras is here. You you're not You're not oblivious these cameras here. But

your speech to Kanye might be different. Huh on Easter Sunday. What would you say to me if you get the opportunity to say, yo, listen, brother, it ain't nothing personal. Who would you say? Well, I wouldn't be drunk saying it one maybe he's drove. What I would say is that, uh that I I try my best to be loyal to you, man. That's it. Man. I called every time you called me, I was here. It's like, if you wanted my support, all you have to do is call me man like I would have been there every time.

I'm gladly supporting you is a dream of mine. Bro, You're my idol. You know what I'm saying. That's all I needed was just a communication. But I feel like I got treated more like a um as a thing and then more than more so than the person. You

know what I'm saying, Like the respect ain't there. And you know, I would just say, like Bro, like I need my money too, I need my fucking money man, because it's not money that I'm asking for, it's it's my money because you oh yeah, ain't nothing wrong with that. And I would say that, you know, I don't know what else i'd say, but something like that. Yeah, it's a beautiful goddamn thing. Match on, I just want to thank you. What come you do? Like it? On the shot?

I feel like it was one more shot. Yeah, a little you got Indie in your family because you're You're head looked really like like Indian. Like you know what I think I do? Yeah, my grand my granddad's I got. I got a lot of Nigerian though I'm sixty percent Nigerian here like a lot of Nigerian. You know what I'm saying uh, some Irish and uh and probably a little bit in Indian. I would say my granddad definitely was like I had a real Indian look to him, and my grandma and my dad's side too. So I

don't know who knows, are you what about? You know? Puerto Rican Okay, totally different thing, you know. You know, mother fucker's bet to say they make for Indian. Yeah, you like we cut people with racist. It's a little different right in Puerto Rican Land. Yeah, hey, it's all in Puerto Rican Land, yo, you know listen, but hey, the most thing I am is Nigerian shoutouts to the Nigerian Yeah, Nigerian head, saw a loutles soluttle what you got to say before you would get about it here.

I gotta say that I appreciate y'all. We be sad. We'll get a song together. Right, you're gonna make up? Yeah? Yeah, I'm glad we talked about that because I was really confused. You I didn't know what then was going on? Yeah I did. Yeah, Yeah, I'm very petty, um for your last what we want to say? The people to my people? Rings on? Right, you got two rings on? You're not taking do right, No, not yet, but what is that? What kind of rockets? That's an opal right here? What Opal?

Australian Opal? And this is like Citrin and this ship like I forgot what this outer two rocks are, but it's something something rare. It's like some little oozy bird ship ship. No, that was a pink diamond. Okay, that's different. It's just not the pink diamond. It's not the pink diamond. It costs more than the diamond, but it's it's not a diamond though. Yeah, ok yeah, that was a gift too from person from where. It was a Valentine's Day gift. Who else would it be from? Here? You know it's

from who else would it be from? Man? Yeah? Why? Why? Why you act like you're not in love though? Man? Come on man, when were talking about man? We can't get sister stiff, I didn't say that cool I'm in love. I like saying I'm in love a real nick I'm in love ship sounds good, don't it. I don't hard that ship. I can see it in your face. You don't want to go. You don't want go on olse, you want to stay honestly, to be a rail with you.

I don't feel like talking about it. I respect that as well, But I mean, but you know you ain't I ain't saying you wrong. I like that. I like that. I like that. I'm gonna listen to me. I'm so glad you came here. I'm so glad you sat down with us, because one thing for sure, do things for certain. I want people to understand and know that we did not invite you here because of a certain statement that

was made because of you. We invited you here because you deserve to be here prior to that, after that, and we're going to continue to support our legends. Are people who who who needs to be supported, and you're one of them. And we respect you. We hope and honor and wish if you and the brother work it out. Got nothing to really do with us, and ain't it ain't even nothing. It ain't even nothing to work out. Really, I mean, I got love for him, and you know

I ain't gonna work out. It's just business. Handle the business. And but I should talk to him about that though, one on one. I you know, as a person that's been in this business, you know, twenty some our years. That's the biggest thing I ever regret. It was just not pulling my homeie to the side for certain things. But I'm not perfect though, bro, Yeah, no, no, no, I understand people all the candle to me like I'm perfect.

Sometimes I see a lot of criticism about me. Sometimes they'd be like, oh, you could have said a better line, this line got a document and at all these opinions, and it's like, at least time out here saying at least time I hear trying, you know, but you know, holding that we just gotta do one more shot before. No, no, no, come on, you gotta you can't do it for you because this is hip hop. I want to say something. I want to say more shot. No, no, no, I want to say to my people that I mean, you

gotta go. You go, corepl Gables. We are gonna We're going to Calli's house. We're going the same part take on one shot. Brother. Hello, Hello, Hello. I want to say to my people, thanks for fucking riding with me, man, Thanks for holding me down, Thanks for defending me, Thanks for listening to me when motherfucker's may say crazy things about me. Thanks for seeing who I really am. Thanks for being on the ride with me and noticing that I'm somebody who makes all sorts of different types of music.

Thanks for hopping on that journey with me, Thanks for changing my life, Thanks for giving me the opportunity to buy my mom a house, and from my grandma to see that before she passed away. It's because of y'all, you know what I'm saying. Thanks to everybody who ever supported me. Thanks to the listeners, thanks to my city de Trait, thanks to my my family unit, thanks to my team, thanks to Kanye, thanks to uh, everybody who ever helped me get to where I'm at. Man, I

appreciate it more than anything. All Right, we take it one last shot. That's it, and we're gonna go to the same party. Don't worry about it. I mean, um, come on, come on. You know I expect y'all man. Yeah, I expect my Detroit lines man man trying to think anything else. We didn't on his team. We talked about the movie. Did Yeah, it's clear. I think we're pretty clear. You were clear. It was definitely an embarrassing Oney, you're just gonna be like, man, what's the no. You're good

broa because you know why you're human. I'm human, bro. That's the thing about it is. And I think that's the thing about what he said, was he was being human. He wasn't. It was. It was human. That wasn't. I'm gonna tell you, I'm gonna keep it real with you, and I'm done talking about this. This is the last thing you're gonna say about this. Take a shot first

after No, let me get this thought. Okay, I'm in that. Actually, let me think about what the fun was I saying, Oh the text text, No, not the text, what he said, it just wasn't. It was. It was personal, bro, It was personal. It wasn't just like him being human. It was like a personal shot to me. It was. Let you finish. I have not taken one personal shot to him. I've only strictly talked about business and about how how much I appreciate it for changing my life. I know

the opportunity he gave me. I'm not disregarding that. But that's not I mean, okay, I guess, yeah, he's human. It's human. Yeah, it's human. He's also a man of God, though, and I and I and maybe you know I read the four agreements, and one of them is to not have um any assumptions and expectations. So maybe I shouldn't expect him to be a man of God or you know somebody who wouldn't say, well, let me just be clear, a man of God. No, I wasn't done. He is

a man of God. We all are a man of guys, a man of guy who would think to not say that, you know what I'm saying. But also you could also be cutting the moment, calling the moment, and let's just be clear. A man of God, he is a man of God. God says, God says, I'm I'm the God. I'm the only God the worship nobody else, no one else. Right. That's the most petty is fucking thing in existence. Let's think about it. Let's think about if you know you the man in this world, why should I even tell

you not to fun with someone else? That's petti eisiness. So being petty sometimes it's being of God. I killed that. No no, no, no, no, no no no, because there is no greater God, there is no He is the Almighty. That's what I said. So he knows. So when people get false gods, these false prophets, when people follow people like gods, that is not godly. In fact, that is that is ungoly. These people we are all we are all God body. We are all made in the image

of God and made by God. The only difference is God made us. We didn't make God. So God is the Almighty, the praiser. So what I'm saying is, no, the pettiness, pettiness doesn't exist because that is not God is only love. That's true, that's true. But pettiness and selfishness is a part of God. Selfishness when you say you could only praise me and that's selfish, No, that's not selfish. Selfish, bro, that is not selfish. Why would that be selfish? We should not be drinking and talking

religion right now, right now? All right, we gotta go part two then, because another to because look, that's a that's a deeper discussions, deep and in my opinion, my opinion, when you're selfish sometimes and when you're petty, you are a reflection of God. No, that is definitely not Who's God. That is devilish, bro, that is like who God is. That though, that's the problem we're gonna have right now. I don't want to petty God, but your God is petty God. Says worship and no one else every God?

Are you Christian? Are you both? Both? Both scriptions? Karan? Because people were praising false guys, because people were praising people as guys. And is that right? Guy? Ship bro this is the wrong conversation, right to that's not right. Yeah, this is true. What cycles would beat brocs false experience. It's trading false guys. And we are done this interview. Yes, you're taking another shot. That's it's never ending interview. Brothers. This is it. We're on the same party. Come on,

what was I gonna say? Though? See you continuing years ahead? Now that's it. That's all I got to say. One more shot and that's it. Yeah, I didn't sign off. We don't we love you all. That's that's, that's what it is. Look on, take one look at my shot. Take a little a shot and that's it. That's that's You've been sitting there with that whole shot. No, no, no, he just poured it from me. That's a double shot. I told you not to do at kind of shots. Yeah,

I ain't gonna lie. You talk like it wraps. He's like, that's a double shot, just like how you wrapped. Yeah, I love it solo, So we appreciate you brother, for real. No, no, not for real. That's what I showed was about. Our show was about giving people flowers to their face. Um. We made sure, we want to make sure this wasn't of a bottle show. And I loved how you asked it answered every car you question, and you kept your cool. You didn't get an emotional at one point, and that

was when I was scared of. I thought when when you said he finally agreed to doing Dream Chance, I thought you was gonna be here and be emotional. I was because emotions weakness. I was. I got too much. I can't be caring anger around. But you know I probably got passionate about speaking about these things because I have been carrying them around. But that's not anger. That's just I gotta come here and stand up for man, you know, the same way my grandma would have came

up and stood up for herself. I gotta stand up for myself, you know. So that just is what it is in my bloodline. I'm just a motherfucking black man in America. I'll love the work anything. In any discrepancies I ever got out, I don't got nuther love that's what the funk it is man. That's it brother, that's it got dead. Thanks for joining us for another episode of Drink Champs hosted by Yours truly d J E f F and n r E. Please make sure to

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