Episode 271 w/ Vince Staples

Would it good? Be? Hopeully is for the ce br boy And what up is d j e f N? This militator crazy world radio Drinking Champs. Yeah, y'all. All of the all above make some fucking and right now when it comes to the leader of the new school, people who are leading their own agenda. When I came out, it was dope to not sound like anybody else, to be original, and I think that art has been lost in the past ten years or so. But when I'm

spaking about the artist that's hair right now. Every time I hear him on the record, whether it be with somebody's spin, whether it be his own record, whether it be his own video. It's always original ship. He does not sound like no one else. He does not remind me of no one else. He's original. He's a real artist, a real spinder, and one of the best personalities and hip hop hands down. People always ask me if I who get in the podcast game would you be nervous of?

And I always say the same three names. I say Cameron, I say Trick Dad, and I say the brother that's here to the left of me. If he gets in podcasts, I'll be nervous. In Casey, I don't know if people off for you to do a podcast every goddamn day because his personality is that dope. When Casey, I don't know what the hell I'm talking about. We're talking about d motherfucker fish stables like you know, you know, you know what's bugged out. I had to do a study

on you, so I went and I look. And the craziest thing is if I wouldn't compare any artists to a comedian, the first comedian I would compare you Tuesday Chappelle. Yeah that's funny because that's the honey. Yeah, that ain't never making a lot of sames. I don't heard that before. You heard that before? Okay, so do you have a relationship with yah Rock with Dave? Dave give me some

good advice? Worked together on something already now, just like you know, he lives out in the bunny, so I'd have been out there a couple of times, you feel me, because I'm facing the same thing. I'm really be working around like so not just interesting because you know. The funny thing about Dave is like they have a comedian, but they don't really tell jokes, you know what I mean. He did with the Truth Commentary, man, but he had always been like that when we were younger, right, and uh,

I'm only seven, so like what's your pel showing? Like that came out? That was the only thing I really know. But she was like, my daddy has like like my pops before he went down to stuff, he had like Eddie Murphys. And She's like, but I ain't think it was funny like that because I was too young. Yeah, it's just it's like now down that it was hilarious looking back when I was younger. Yeah, I get that. I'll get that a couple of times, definitely. So let

me ask you. I'm buncing around a little bit um. You originally started on a major on depth jam. Right, what made you say that? You know what depth jam? I'm gonna go and do my own fans, We'll see what's right. So you already know how that type of ship work. Yeah, I know it's for the fans. Yeah, you know whatever. Like so it's just universal. You feel yourself like I'm on there, I was on death Cham for a long time. Uh, it just didn't make sense.

You feel me in a And it's not that it didn't make sense because I was sucking up, but they was sucked up. It's just everybody want different things, you know what I'm saying. So now we got the little situation via motown. But it's like it's you feel me. So it's like when you think about the idea of

a record company. They basically they give you the loan and they front the distribution to make your CDs and basically talked you triple with it, but you don't et there are no fucking CDs nothing, And then we still kind of get tricked a little bit because like we still kind of falling for the same tricks. It's like it's like a vanity playing the sense like oh man, this motherfucker. Like it's something like nigga like Tyler, Right, the honey just saw the hundred fifty thousand albums, right,

He didn't sell a hundred fee thou abums. He sold billions of straight millions. Because they're not going to tell these niggas, oh man, you had millions of billions of people listening to you in three days. They're not gonna say that, because then you're gonna be like, damn if I'm able to do that, but I don't need them,

you feel what I'm saying. Like, and essentially, when we think about press in general, like you got y'all, you got you got Gilly and Wallow, you got the Joe, it's a lot of people that's taken out because when I was younger, for me, they would the press will be like, oh man, tell us about the streets and being a nigger, and it's like what y'all talking about. So at this point in time, like just the whole

ship is changing. But I think it's you know, in artists their own press now because social media allows you to do your own press. Yeah, but it's like essentially it's this ship is like the magazines and she's like that turning the pictures like pressure this pictures like you can post the pictures and then oh you put oh I was in g QUE and this advantity place people feel like you're popping because you was in g Q New York time. Y'all that you can post the same

pictures without that tagging. It's not gonna give people that kind of a it's all the vanity playing on me. Gotta it's smart. But what death cham was? You want Steve Bartle's I was on Steve Bartos. Cameron Quaker was there Steve when Phasal was there, and and Paul I was there from Paul because they're from Tony twelve thirteen to like two years ago. Well, I would think that Paul Wilsenberg, being your lyrical content, would be a person

that had you back. I don't know if he didn't know. Well, it's not even about having a back, it's it's like it's out of the label's hands in a sense, because if I'm a fan, right and I digest it in a certain manner, and the way that things changed so fast, you can't possibly expect the label to be able to move with all that infrastructure, the way that things after moon. So it's not like they're not trying, like they're doing

what you for you what they do for everybody. Like it's not like artists is going to and being like, oh man, I want this press for all with this, they're putting everybody on Jimmy family. But they're trying, but it's like something just don't add up for the kind of artists you are. You kind of got to be more creative nowadays, because it's not to the point of where you know, you gotta poster in the CD and they don't know about you and just gotta go from there.

So it ain't like they were trying. But it's like ship it is what it is to a certain extent. Now, I've read somewhere that you said people that were ax body spreading old spice or racist. Yeah, that's dusty, that's like, that's like, that's like, that's like the white worlds they was given man up. That's where the white boys that lived by the beach four chance nineth chance don't get

caught over there either, don't. So for a long time I really didn't understand Long Beach because I'm never tell you why we went introduced to n w a right, get straight out of Compton, and our mind Compton is Calie and you're from Compton originally, right, My and my parents are Compton, and I'll be like three minutes away. Okay. You can walk like you can go to Jordan High School. You can walk across like a bridge and then you're con finished like you can be when you're looking out

of the compting right there. It's not there for us. So when we're looking at it, all right, but ended up every way says straight out of Compent. We thought that they saying straight out of California, Like I mean, it went over our heads, like we didn't really know that. So for years, whenever a person say I'm from l A or off from California, we're meediately said Compton. I was similarized it to how the person was from New York.

At the time, they were always affiliated to Brooklyn. Brooklyn was like the broad is, so how is it being from adjacent neighborhood from one of the most populoust place in hip hop like Compton for a long time was like shirt Kings like this a place called short Kings and College and people just wanted to go there and take a picture like people just wanted to go to Compton.

It was like the illest s and I know a couple of times I went to Compton, people like it was easy house and he was lying to be like, oh ship, you know what I mean, Like, but how is it growing up from adjacent neighborhood like that. I think at the point in the time, I was just wait. After that, Long Beach was already on the map, but more Snow was snow Snow the biggest rapper there every everywhere, so it's like it wasn't really no thing. I feel like, like Long Beach one of the last cities in l

A County. It's like Long be Sampedro that kind of like little areas like the Harvard areas, like kind of to the bad Park then Long Beaches right before Orange County basically Okay, so it's like we're kind of far away. Were in l A technically, but we fowty fifty minutes away, so we didn't I ain't never really go that l slad.

We didn't get along with them. It's like still to this day, it's like you know, some sort of weird time I heard you say when you were growing I'm not growing up, but when you were getting into the music business, you wouldn't even tell people you weren't from Left. Now that if you're telling you from Long and they don't think you grind me and like weird, like why

why could hear you say? But it's like it's funny, like so like school Boy killing them, Like when I went on tour school Boy, every single person that tour like you from Long's like, yeah, man, it's weird out there.

Everybody said that, But it's just because you know, people got hired minds, like you said, a competent thing, right, Like you know how DJ Quick and n w A and Comte most wanted the King and all these dudes comp different games, but they had, yeah, some of them things not really from competent, but that's when it comes there.

But you got a lot of a lot of dudes, like it was a marketing thing, like say you new Compton like ice cube, not from company from l A. But it made sense if we you of course, but it's like from he from A from l A sou it's like from like a hunting So it's like when you think about built up, it's like it's comfortable. We have Black Hunting Street from probably like around there, like

hard spool Ship because heat. It wouldn't have made sense to say straight out of all these different places, so he just had to pick on the Compton had a reputation at that point in time. And that's kind of how these things work. So when you look at just just for musical contraction, if you've got all these dudes looking like you know, DJ Quick or Easy or blah blah, and then you got Snoop Dogg, who don't look nothing like these other dudes. He got on like a hockey

jersey and its first video type ship. It's been like that forever and it's still like that. So if like you see any like when I was your girls, like jerking was the thing, and people's dancing and skateboard and ship, so you gotta nig it like with blond hair and like eyebrow erring and like he shoot at you and you from Content gonna be like, who is this nigga?

And it was that kind of thing going on. So Nick from Content in other places when I really kind of a closer from l A, when I was meeting music, they'd be like, yeah, man, it's weird out there. Just because you couldn't really gauge who was tooled by the way people look. Another thing about Long Beach, there's no there's no red, Like I went to Long Beach a couple of times and I didn't see red at this time. There's a lot of cities like that though. It's just

as I mean, it's a lot of seas I really got. No, that's all bloods, like the cities like all Mexicans, you know what I mean. So it really just depend on how you look at it. Like Womantin is all bloods and Mexicans. Long Beaches all Chrystian Mexicans. It's not really no bloods and Guardina except for like theF they claimed confidents. So yes, it's a couple of cities that ain't really

got no wow. This this this is like a whole different world because you know, but like again, like you know, being naive and just having w A n w A was literally my GPS so and then moving on to uh what was it, dre and I just thought it

was all one things, even Long Beach. I thought Long Beach from you for you because originally from l A. So yourself just say I didn't think it's remember, yeah, yeah, because you had experience the South gaily Like I always thought Compton was a jail, Like when they said straight up, I was like, I don't want to go to that jail because we had right because the island at the time, and I'm thinking this is their their record to match

Cougi rap. I had no idea like and so like to me, to me, California is just a whole different planet. Like I remember when we were like, you know, wearing win breakers and and break the sad. It was like they was just khakis and that was that your experience. I knew. It's a little I mean, when you think about music, you know that that's that kind of speaks to the power of music because the visual thing, right,

everybody knows these other places because of rap music. Essentially, it's the most descript music genre as far as the explanations of the times and places and the statics and things of that nature. Right. So when you think about California, when I was younger, just I thought the Bay was you know, all together, and then you realized I didn't know he thought he was wasn't from Oakland till I was grown from Okay. Okay, okay, but it's like, I know what, I don't know what none of that was.

I know that between Berkeley and Oakland and things that New York dude, it's all the same to us and as far as Hill. But to a person that's from California, you're saying you're from Balleo and being the Bay Area that you have to be particularly, you have to be per sip. You can't be yeah, because it's it's a lot, it's a lot of I mean, it's like that everywhere. But the thing about California is that California so big, essential big. You can't do you know, you can drive

the Philly, you ain't driving nowhere but Vegas. Maybe as far as being something, but it was a big thing with um exhibit Maxim was claiming California or something and was like he from New Mexico and it was like, wait a minute, Like and to me, I thought New Mexico was a part You're like, I was like, what's the problem apart? I mean I thought that the white people everything. You know, I ain't partner to what I'm saying.

So being from Long Beach, right being, I didn't remember me and you was on Twitter, and I was like, you got mad at me? Yeah, I said from little fat here, don't like snoop. But then you you school me though you scooed me. He was like, yo, growing up, I couldn't even um know you gotta we gotta stop real quick this this Nike got mad at me because I was seven years I was listening a little bit. What I agree with you love kid in play, all that, all that happy ship like stopping man. But let me

just tell you something. You're correct, and let me just say happy now he's correct. Let me take you something. I think that initiale argument was you said that this error was better than the two thousand's, was better than the nineties because you let the white people white people. And so I'm gonna tell what. Okay, okay, because because you said Kanye right, we had a we had a

it was a South forn It's Time magazine. We gotta put in the context that Time magazine don't give a funk about no black people or no rap music unless you like Obama or some ship. So they was talking about pop culture, and they was talking about the height of pop culture and hip hop music and pop culture. So the show for the matter is it's no way possible possible that at a point in time that when we got hip hop music and niggas was suing that

for day and all this other type of ships. At the point that Travis Scott got a New York collaboration, black people's headlining the biggest festivals in the world and black people that no normal ship. He's saying, No, that's all I'm saying, like from from from context. When you think about the two thousands, they're like, it was just

more opportunity and more money. When we think about what Jay was able to do with fifty singer was able to do, what they're still able to do, it just these things wasn't possible because the kind of the phase in which hip hop was in it it's more established down in the world before as they should be. But that got thrown is oh, then he's not the goal.

And they're like, you really think, like, and that's what we got to stop falling for that ship because because what I'm talking about press like Time Magazine is not talking about the fucking bars. They're talking about how much money you've got to influence on the ship. And and for for not for lack of a better term. They're going to use the clickbait. They're gonna use debate that

that's gonna will everybody in. But ahead, would you expect every generation to expect your golden rors their golden arrow and you know what? You know? What was what was ill? What he said at that time when he described Wow. The thing about it is I couldn't identify with that because I was already a grown man as he was this hard throughout, for he was always a little bout out up. He was always a little bout but he's not no more. He big bible. He sold your boy

with that. Man, I love that man. Would you do a person's him? No, I ain't got no. I ain't. You gotta have bangers for versus, I ain't got no. It's like that from the verse. I got two plaques? I think I got too? How many plagues I got? I got three flaques? Ain't nothing a versions? Yeah, I kind of kind of heard you say that before, like down playing your own catalog. But I don't want you to do that. Man, what stimond downplaying? It's like you

gotta read the room. You feel me like it's like you feel like you know, you know kind of kind of your lane. You get what I'm saying, versus just for adverse and start with timbling and switch Beast got fucking ghost facing Ray Kwan and fucking fabulous and Jada kissing Soldier Boy. I ain't wanted them niggas, so I ain't gonna try to step up in their bag. The niggas got like generational hits like you know what I'm saying, I ain't gonna get man. Look, let's see you in

Tyler Man. I'm just being honest. Hunting fifty, I make nigga wraps that ain't that ain't happening. Tyler doing good though, Tyler, Yeah he got um number one number. Pick up the Tyler Man. Big up the Tyler Man. You know what I mean, shout out my son. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It seems um. You know, I don't want to save me and him at the descripancy. It's a little misunderstanding for me.

Following you and following and seeing your relationship. I start to think that I know him now through you, because how y'all, Like I see y'all with the radio interview together up. I said, hey, y'all on records together, Um,

how did you develop that relationship. I mean, Tyler never got along hate that, but that's the honey now is just um yeah, I mean it's like this right because that was coming up together in the same so okay, my way different something like I said, So Long Beach far from l A. Right, So I was cool with Sid who was a DJ at the time. She was group out the internet now and uh yeah, I would

kick it with her mind. When I first met him, I went with a honey house from Long Beach, but he wanted to make it I was pretending he was from l A because the daddy worked out there, you know, because he's trying to be a rapper and ship like that. So he went over there once night. I never seen no black people with the house that big. The house was like crazy to Tyler house, Nah seeing them. So it's like she had the studio and ship like that

and that's where everything was. They were just there. Now, I got kind of cool for a little bit, but like we wasn't really cool. So he got out his little situation when when uh, I was working with him a little bit. But I ain't never really talked to Tyler because I'm I'm more calm than them. You feel me. So they was like, and I'm younger so before they really pop off, but like I was a little bit younger, so like I was, I'm different than I am now.

When I was young, obviously, I was like kind of more burned out, so I was kind of I didn't really understand a lot of stuff, but I always respect that their music and what they created. And the one that we went on tour, this thing was like, hey man, why we don't talk and I don't know you nigga, but he didn't understand, but like we know where I come from, don't know and they but not like howder that gave me a lot of advice, see to help

me a lot of ships. Like he really really smart with the way that he handled his stuff and everything is calculated, like he plans out every single thing. He do, nothing eating. I feel like this nigga planning out his sentences,

like probably got a rint down somewhere. He different. And one thing about the book for y'all that it was at one point, um everyone was wearing I'm not a rapper shirt right, and for the most part, a lot of motherfuckers wasn't a rapper up, but they were having this truck, jury done all that, so they wanted to make a distinction, like I got I get money somewhere else.

I feel like when you guys said it feels like you say I'm not a rapper, or it feels like because when people say you're a rapper, it might nutes the situation. So this thing was holler right. I don't think with me, it's kind of different because if I ever like downplay something I'm doing, it's not to shun it. It's in comparison to other people. You feel me like, if Pharrell is a musician and he knows all these instruments and all these songs, I can't beat no musician

if I'm not on the same level of education. The time that you put in as another nigga, you know what I'm saying, Like you can't tell you know a nigger one bag of weed and being like you're hustling. That's just not what it is. So wait, I feel like with Tyler's Tyler and a lot of people just are generationally, they just do a lot more than that. So it's like a lot of times when you're gonna see these rooms, it's like, oh, you might be the

rapper or you might be this, it might be. It's just like, so say you get a deal with a company like say a sneaker, your clothing company, and you're a rapper at you young dude. It's different if you get an artist. Your artists are gonna put you on the billboard to make you a fee. You don't give your feed to show you to you your name and likeness, right, but if they look at you as more than that, essentially, they might be like, Okay, come design this product or

come consult with this product. So it's not I don't think people say it in the sense of trying to diminish wrapping itself. It's just like, don't put me, I'm just help. Yeah, that you're trying to treat niggas like to help, you know what I'm saying. And that's just that's not gonna work nowadays with all these opportunities you see all these things that's going on with like these know all this fashion stuff and this technology and know something ship like we're able to really make Hayway now

that we probably come make before. And now you have the g Q photo shoot. What's my man name? I forgot his name? The Indian dude, Uh, simonage, is that is that like the proper way to call? You know nowadays you gotta be if he's an Indian heritage. Yeah, I just know you're listening. If I say anything. It's crazy, Like I mean, like I don't know what you said, call them Asian whatever, but I see that we don't we should you can't do So how is how is g Ku even calling you? Like? How does that feel

for you? Like, honestly, I don't have no idea why the Niggers keep callingble no idea because it's like a second photos, a third I've done a lot of that. Ship Oh drink Chat's happens, it happens. I'll be on Hella. Yeah, I've being Hella fucking merchandise ship just uh no press ship. Just I don't know they already be calling to be pressed.

But I don't get it. But I mean I'm appreciative of it, you know what I'm saying because the totally different clients tell exactly exactly, and it's like I'm not that kind of dude, like I'm picking up no magazine to be like looking for the next tips on how to do something whatever. Ship, But what happens. I'm sorry, man, this is awkward. She's looking for a drink from last night.

She got real let's make it look let me tell yourself, that's the most shame I've ever had, Like when you leave your not just your credit card, your credit card because you know the next day you're like, yo, how bent was I to? Like, you know, just forget all this? Now that's really getting a faded. Oh yeah, you know what. Today we honor and you know we look. You know you never smoked or drink. Your whole life makes some noise. But I'm not even I'm not even to tell you

the truth. I'm not even making noise for you, not ever indulging. I'm making noise for you being as strong as you can be around. I could imagine growing up around the gang bangers around you know, even other rappers. Wrappers get higher than gang bangers at this point, you know what I'm saying. So now these young niggas bro and it's crazy like Californias niggas is on black Day

on Crystal Like what's black? I don't know what the heroine? Like, Yeah, they're smoking black Like wait wait, yeah, you know that's the other games. So nigg is in the county Jil right now are black and beat up, preperable like the pills and it's just it's sucked up right now. Yeah. So so um, like you know most of my homeboys who never got high, like even even Fat Joe, um, you know except when you got in mind that one time. Yeah, but um, but that's what my sake. I was sleek

sneaking high. But most of my friends who didn't get high, um had like someone in their family that they saw get high. They saw overdose, so they saw and and they like even fat je Fat Joel had this horrible story about him seeing his family members get high. So every time we Fat Joe, I will understand. So I never pushed it on it. It's that experience that you have,

he my. I've seen my pops go from like being up and like being a man and having all the cars and all the money and all the other stuff. You know we're supposed to care about to like me and whoop, they're not like just not being it, you know what I mean. See the hommy leaves, the people leave. I it's just not cold, you feel me like, and I'm not necessarily getting highest self, But like I never want to not know if I was sucked up for me,

I never not want to know. You don't you don't want to be the motherfucker who up and then you know, you hit that point and then everything go away. I couldn't really let that happen to myself. And also you just gotta pay attention, like you know, I mean the Long Beach, everything is in such club proximity, and we got such you know, we got a real bad racial conflict. So I didn't want to be It's real bad like

Mexican Mexican. So it's like you ain't want to be you know, slipping at a certain point of time, especially when I was going up like early two thousand, like the white tierre was like niggas called it. There was a lot going on, so I ain't never want to get caught. Like my sister got shot like seven eight times when I was when I was a kid, just you know, be at the casino. You know, I'm getting drunk, having a good time, and you got aired out, so

it's you ain't really safe nowhere. So just that and my pops this little shit, I was like, yeah, I gotta pixis or something like that. So um, but let me ask you, so, like, you know, just hanging around the environment, how did you develop that strongness? Because that like there's a lot of people that's gonna watch his interview and say, wow, that's dope. You know, Vince ain't never you know, but it couldn't have been easy. Like I'm sure the people the hot box with you, the

windows up in the car and everyone smoked. I felt like I feel like it was easy only because now I'm be myn only to be smoking around me, like

I don't really bother me like that. I feel like I was lucky enough to have you know, decent family, and I got real humbies, you know what I mean, Like I got the same homey since forever, Like I'm not wanted them random weird niggas who like wake up one day and started claiming the hood and giving to get some money all the other bush they put you on it, Like, but I've been around for such a

long time. That's just like my homies ain't never encouraged me to do nothing that wasn't so like if these niggas, if we didn't been through like you know, real life situation with like real implications and they ain't doing it, then you niggas, can't you know what I'm saying, I can't knows can't try it. You feel me like because it's like, you know, even when a bad influence is

essentially a good influence as well. And my mom and my pops, they didn't raise us to be like you know when my pops around, you know, because it were like one thing I tell me all time, Like you know, we have a lot of conversation about my fatherhood and black man and like that. But it ain't like once he naund go down that road, it ain't like they can come home, you know what I'm saying, Like they can say right, I learned my lesson. Let me go home now. So you know, you know when he was

around with my mom was in around. They just raised us, so you don't be on our own ship. Like I know a dude listen and you know I spoke were drink, but I know a dude who did it one time? He um did what one time? Oh? He uh? We were all spoken, but the buds guy ran out of but I didn't want to tell us. We didn't want to tell him. We that we just bought all the bud. She was like, OK, give U up. He gave one to him, put it in the bud, And I don't want to say his name. Is he funked up to

this day? You know what I'm saying. But it's literally like what happens if he just didn't want to get high, Like he might have not been as bugged out as he is he seeing anybody, but like, like you know what I mean. I mean, this is twenty five years ago, but he didn't know he was smoking pieces no, because back then that's how they would get it off. They would be like, like, that's smoking dirty. How I got my pops. That's how I got my popures hanging with

the ho you strung out, that's how that happing? Wow wow man, that's crazy. So so one things that I also noticed about about you just so honorable that when a person does a record with you, you don't even use their name. What's that about it? I'll defend the lame bro, Like, so you do it on purpose? Yeah? Play there's no no features because I don't know I'm having features. But yeah, but it's like it's like, like what's on the game? Is there is there an advantage?

Of doing that too. The music. I'm thinking I'm high. I'm thinking I'm making a mistake. I'm like, why is Future on this? He sounds like Kendrick. She's like, it's like the title of the song, right, the title of the songs, the title of the song. The title went the song blah blah blah, featuring and using the homie. You get what I'm saying. So it's like they on

the song day on the song. I don't like how to look on the track list, and I feel like you're trying to, you know, convince motherfucker's that you hard but you're definitely that Yeah, Wow, that's dope, but it's kind of crazy. It's but it's crazy, but that's just stupid, Like you know, you're supposed to use it to your advantage, but I just think that type of dude, you feel me like you you give me a verse whatever, So enough for me, I ain't really tried that ship is

with another video. It's just not in the video. I don't know what video, but I never I do like probably one or two videos of project's expensive for no reason. I'm not gonna lie it's not. I don't think videos expensive. I think that you're very, very creative, Like not I'm your videos. This is what I'm saying. A honey, thousands for some ship go on YouTube against my budget. No, you gotta get that back. I don't want to borrow that.

You've got a good outlook, man, hunted. It's different videos for like MTV and viation Well, this year is for YouTube, and don't go nowhere else for YouTube. And if you don't get no views, you don't get no money. Come on, even if you do good some of you you got to split it with the on the video and all this stuff. The vivo. What's that ship? Yeah, it's a lot going on out here in these trades. Man ain't playing the games with them people. Ray j just text

me you don't. You gotta rector with him and Chris Brown. Yeah, that's the howny. That's not Chris Brown. That's not Chris Brown Brown. That's not goods bro, that's Ray j. Uh. Then the Gorillas, Oh ship you google's wrong? Brother? The band I don't know. Yeah you get oh yes, it's that the nigger from the Gorillas and uh and and ray Jack. But Ray Chris Brown, they got that, they got that that same kind of Uh. You know, so you got you a brodo your ray j is cooling money? Yes,

yes he does. Oh you got a Rublekonje and the Gwagon both of them not stupid. You get a lot of money. And he gave me what you got my bike? Well, gave me a scooty bike. Okay, you know he he coming this week? This week I got him in trick Um but same time speak yeah, yeah, but speaking to Trick. You you what is your album? Trick Daddy thugs are us? I love Trick This is crazy coming man, tell me I had the TV like Nicky was digging through records at the record store. If you don't get your name

mass out of here. Nig is born in the nineties. I ain't never seen a record store until I was wrong. Nig was on. I wouldn't be offended he when when I was in like the fifth grade, Julian iPod came out niggas and not digging through the crazy zoo remember the zoom don't remember? I remember that? Yeah, I'll stopped playing Niggas was not on the trick that he was on MTV jams every day brocking the truth. Well, because I was born in Compton right, no, no, no, a

company ba growing up somewhere with no hospital. I'm happy my mom. And then movie that's grimy hospital only hospital comperience, damn near and Watson or you gotta go to St. Francis in Lynwood, but reckon hospital. But you spent time in Atlanta for a little while. I was in Atlanta for like six months, seven months? Okay, we did that help like you musically or getting music? Yet I didn't make music. So I came back. I was in Atlanta middle nine grade. I had some stupid ships, so I

had to go go to Atlanta. Yeah. So when I came back home when everything was called posthetic whatever. But seeing them big booty girls, they had that long beach, right, the big booty girls. Then this is the thing about Atlanta. I was going to West Lake, so I was like I was at Lintics small you feeling what I'm saying. I was over to school with cam New Nigga was it was like, uh, I was just mad because there

was a lot of ship going on. And like when I went to a land of one of my homies had died and it was like fifteen when he was fourteen, was fifteen, and it's like when you leave while something like that happening. Yeah, I just felt like a buster, you know what I mean. I felt like I could be doing something that you know, you know, you know what I'm saying. So like my mind wasn't the wrong place the whole time I was there, you know what

I'm saying. So when I got back home, I was supposed to tell my dad I think he had a flash or something like he disappeared and I think he had a flash, to be honest. So my mom was like end up staying with me or whatever because she didn't want to go back there because I wasn't landing. The school system wasn't equivalent, so like I wasn't doing it, Like I wasn't the was doing t a work. And it's like a little bit after Katrina, So it was

a bunch of displaced people. Blah blah, they don't got enough little some bullshit, not enough room in the classes. So I was literally sitting office for like four or five periods. I came back to California and I noticed, like how nice it was, you know what I'm saying, Because you're in Atlanta. Nice too, But it's a different kind of nice shots. You've got truck stops and what

a burg not? What a burger wife whouse? And it's just desolate like out here, you know, we got it just ain't going alonge be specifically, Like I was kind of more appreciative and then I've just seen that and it's not the right way to be. Will I came back and like, I noticed that niggas wasn't like going as hard as I thought they should be going. So I was like, I ain't gonna like die and then niggas like just go about the Yeah, I was even dying,

just like niggas go about their days. And when I'm there, so I try to figure out some other ship. That's when the music should come from. It's anybody ever gonna tell a lamb that the waffle house is trash? It's not that good. It's not that good. I don't like I'm just being on the year secret. I mean keeping that ship feel like roaches, like I feel dirty. Ever you ever went to court and left court? Yeah, and you know you don't want to take a shower with

me and the county let's I'm sorry. The wife house is the county. Well, the County jail. Get you up. I'm so sorry, Atlanta, so sorry. Anybody in the South is gonna say this. Boy, I'm just being honest. For twenty five years I went had meetings at the waffle house. They got the little tile floor. Now, motherfuck the top of McDonald's. The McDonald's old McDonald's mopping there as soon as you take your shit out like that, that smells like hamburger, you know what I'm saying. And it's just

it's just not a good seat. It's really literally what it's for the last middle of the night, like you know, after the club and all that. But I'll be seeing people wake up in the morning the waffle house like no, that's not a thing to do like like this. I know people will getting to go to the they go get fresh. They know somebody that worked there. Okay, the house is not that good. You do agree on that, Okay, South South guys looking like that. Man, we lost the

waffle house. You're like, look, nobody look. And it went to a black college though he didn't HBCU. That's what they call. Okay, only want to go there, all right. I got bad notes. I got bad notes, man, I got bad you mess with mcmiller too, right, That told me man, Yeah, that was know he was a good thing. Um, I said, how that happened? But you know, did you see that coming? Yeah? He had not, not in passing, but like I haven't seen so much, you know what

I mean. You know, you know you can tell when she's gonna left. But he was doing real good. But I feel like before he passed, you know, everybody knew he was struggling with ship, but before he passed, he was really doing really good. You know. It just he seen him in the gym and things like that. Yeah, he was doing really good. It is you know, sometimes you don't always win, but he was doing good. I know. I still talked to his mom. I talked to it

other day yesterday. I think, how'd y'all connect? I wouldn't really making music at that time. Girl had came back, and I was just you know, moving around him, making sure you know, he was straight and ship and uh. I introduced myself to him and he was like, I don't know who you are. Why don't you make beats? So that? Why don't you make music? And I sound got no beats and he I'm making some beasts come over here on Friday because he's living. Yeah, and then

saw him. That's how we ended up making music and being cool. And then he took me on tour and he didn't want to publish. He said, if you make a million dollars, buy me, uh S class bands or something like that. Yeah, the whole of product. He gave me the ownership of it. He just said, if you if you make a gang of money, just give me like an S class and then took me on the road, paid for my room and board and just and still paid me. So yeah, you know, that was the home needed.

He didn't mope for me. And honestly, like as far in the time of my life when I needed it, because you got to think at that point out I already put like two music projects out. He knew it wasn't really I went fucking with us. I was like, I'm gonna go back to you know, to to to what I know type ship. And my cousin had just got shot, he almost died, So that turned it all the way up, you know what I mean. My focus

wasn't on music at all. I would just say that before like this was like your third hustle or something. Like that supposed to your main thing. I never did nothing. I never had no job when I was younger, I was I never got no bad guys. I used to be so good at music for this not to be. I every listen to music like growing up, only like in passing you know TV and like music videos and

you're like, but I feel like music is music. Music not hard to do, especially like when I think at rapping music, right, I don't really I don't what's good? You feel me? Because there's so many different types of rap music you can be you know, treat that good and Bully good and Little fe Fiasco good and you feel me. It's so many different snoop a good, sneak is good. I love, you know, I like Bace ship. So it's like it's a about my colum, but it's

like it's so many different kinds of good. I think in hip hop you just really need your story. And if you got a story, you know how to tell it right, you can be successful with this ship. So, um, I think I think it was you and Tyler conversation and he said, um, you know, being a rapper is so like like I'm paraphrasing obviously, but it's so like

the lowest level of the totem pole. But uh, and I think you said even back in the days, you said, I think you said in the days, you know, it was the dance up, it was the DJ, and then it was the rap at the last it's the easiest entry point. It's easy. And I think that it's much just the easiest entry point. I think that's why hip hop is so important to people like impoverished communities, because to say, you gotta have a good boys, you gotta know how to hold a note, you gotta have a

good memory. You don't gotta know you want to play instruments, you gotta practice and blah blah. To rap are you didn't have? You know, anybody can wake up one day and be like, oh I'm a rapper, and somebody can say, oh rap, And then you can do it if you just pick up say I play the guitar, and you

try to pick that motherfucker be gonna miraish her. So so it's like the lowest entry point to being a creative in music, I feel, and I think that's why so many people embrace it, and that's why we've had so many great rappers over time, because it's something that you can literally pick up overnight and you don't need nothing to learn how to do it. You don't need no instruments, you'll need none of that. You can really sit inside your own head and you know, become good.

I think that's why it's really important and why it's becoming the most dominant thing. That's crazy. That's crazy. You produce now. I can't do none of that. I can't turn on pro tools, you can't even turn it off. I can't do none of that. That's why you don't want to even learn. I'm cool. I mean my thing is like I can learn this squa, I can save a little bit of money, but like I might know somebody who like nice, and now they can pay their

bills off off that budget and be my engineer. I ain't really greedy with it like that, you know what I'm saying, Like, if I know this nigga spend his whole life engineering, why am I gonna try to do it When it's somebody out there that you know that's nice that I can probably elevate what I'm doing. That's why they were trying to make beat And I'm like, that's like thirty niggas that I know that make beat.

Why do I need to be the thirty first nigg and make beats when they can just make the beat from me, you know what I'm saying, might as well to split it up. So what's beyond the rhyme? And then assuming that that's the entry point, like you said you want to do more, I was just saying as far as like he was based on me and Tyler conversations, the entry point meaning that if you want to make music, being being a rapper is a kind of the easiest thing to do, and you can just talk about yourself

with people. Listen, you know what I mean to talk about what you know I'm saying. You know, if you know you're trying to be me, I'll say what you can't sing? You pretty wood? Like you know what I'm saying. Anybody could be me what I'm saying beyond that point

like as in music, music or other man. My thing is like like I was telling like saying earlier, I ain't never really want to do nothing, So I'm just appreciative, Like not that I didn't want to do nothing, just wasn't in my mind, Like I wasn't raised in no place where nigga's got dreams like if you're tall or you big, you can play basketball. Yeah, exactly, Ship like that.

So it's like, um, I was cool with having a good job, you know what I mean, journ I remember I was trying to work here because I dropped out when I was fifteen, So I was trying to get ups jobs and warehouse and staff marked also the ship. I oulder how he was just televie, but then I'm a minor. I can't get no job with me. I feel like I just got so many opportunities for me based off with just who I am as a person, and some of these opportunities. To be honest, I feel

like it's gonna do better than music. You know, if you think about no film TELEVI you talk about my videos. If you can make a video triput, you can make a show, you can make it on the make a series exactly, like I don't know, some good things like Ryan Coogler and I can tell I was sorry to cut you up. I can tell your videos just your ideas, because it's not like these directors go out and make these these type of videos without you. You know what

I'm saying. So you know, I peeped that. Here's the craziest thing, right, Um. I looked at uh Fat Joe, I think on on Instagram live or something, and he said that what a lot of people didn't notice was Pun didn't have a lot of records for artists because artists didn't want to get on a record with Pun because they always looked at it like Punt to burn

them down or something like that. One of those things that I've noticed with you is you got like a head to head record with Roys the five nine and worse the five nine similar serves as that purpose too is a lot of people, you know, they want to be cool Roys, they don't want to get on the record with them. So what made you? Because I knew I was kind of the best version. I just and I did had the best version. They need to be playing favorites. It ain't even close. Okay, Coo, I met

Cricket Eye, Cricket Atronome, I've seen them somewhere. So yeah, man, I think Cody was supposed to be on the court. They can be on it, which I made it real quick. I'm just happy I was on it. You feel me like you know you don't get them opportunities every day. So I love that we've got noise. I love it so so Um, but is there like a sense of nervousness because you're in uh I don't want to say that in that world, but um, you're part of people

consider real lyricism. Yeah, you know what I'm saying. And then when you get the chance to work with a cord Day, I don't know. I always placed his name Corday eminem or a voice? Does it? Does it? Does it bring what? Does it bring a sense of competition out of you? Or do you even consider yourself a lyricis because it sounds like you might not even know

your lyricis. I mean it's like it depends, like it all depends on how you you and you feel me because like I said, I listen to a lot of ships, so like I think he fought the lyricius When I say that at me, like I'm crazy, it's just kid, you don't know what somebody talking about. Don't mean they're

now hard. So I mean with me, it's like, yeah, I appreciate, but that's how I got music from no fucking as far as on the bigger scale or just in general world evidence in DJ Babou was making beast for me when I was younger, nobody gave the ship and you know, ill mind and I don't forget nobody kill her. It was the gang motherfucker's give me ships. Scoop the veal into nor and D and comment like I'm in the first person that put me on the song. I got to be easier work as a comment you

feel me. I don't know where it's had, but I got it. So like like that, like I appreciate the to be listening to your music to these last couple of days. I couldn't help with like talk like you, I couldn't help, but like I couldn't help because because you know, you have re influence if you listen to you like, is it ever the time? Like you know, like I have sometimes that white people coming to me like you know what something my nigga, And I'm like, wait a minute, I am not chilly what I'm saying,

but what you know, you know that they're influenced. You know they didn't they don't mean it, but but I still I'm offended one And it's like, do you ever feel like maybe I'm giving too much in the in the records or or yeah, I used to I used to feel like that. It's funny now. I had a point of time with music, right, So I had my first album come out, and I'm like, all right, cool, um, I got a lot, you know, shoot off my chest, blah blah have you. But at that point in time,

I ain't really had that. It was still cracking Insentially, I wasn't like one bear with my sister and my mama in the middle of like some whole other ship that was going on, and I was like, you feel me. It was like, man, your album is out of it. Yeah, but that's like my story. Yeah, it didn't matter. So it's like at this point in time, it's like, all right, all I got from that first album is nigga is doing my face, like the nigga is matter. Nigga's always

been my voice. Nigg is always do my voice, and nigga's kind of will see if the nigga that sound like that had a gas nigga everything, that's me at it because I I used to be out like that. I don't sunk with other niggas, Like if you wanted my homies, you don't. But I don't know a gang of people from a gang of the neighborhoods, Like, I'm not that stupid. That's how you get killed. I was that wrong in My mom always said Mario man To stated your cell type ship, which goes against what hip

hop is. So when sometimes I say this came out, I was doing good blah blah, I want to good trajectory no idea and death Yam. They have a conflict of of kind of ideas. No I d kind of leave death jam. So at that point in time, I'm just trying to figure it out. I don't really know what I'm doing. And then I was doing shows just in the meantime, and I realized, like it felt weird, like man, I'm out here in this different country and blah blah blah blah, and all I got to do.

All I can tell Nigga is is that you know our gang bang you feel me like music. But that's all I had seen in my life, so I don't know how to read articulate much. So um, I was like, all right, I'm never doing this again. Like even with the Big Fisterio, I'm like, I made the album so it could get sinks for movies, so I had God made it with that in mind. Yeah, every single and almost I think like probably eight you know songs got six. So the reason I made it because we had got

an offer to do. Um was it? It was the Was it the army or was it FIFA? What was first? FIFA? Right? What call of duty gave me? Offer? How much was it? Like you, I'm trying to see if it is the right story because which one was hired was a call of duty or FIFA? But that FIFA was higher? Right? All right? So call it basically call of duty gave me. But that call of duty, call it what call of duty gave me to do one song that they didn't

even use as more than my whole album budget. Okay, but lets let let's be let's be let's be um precise if you can, but you do you get published in off of that or this is a buyoutum now you okay, call of duty license notice, but some people you can do about it. But they they knew music, So I still got paid an they didn't use it. I got a FIFA thing, they didn't use it. Okay. I got a FIFA thing for Champions League, and that was crazy and then I was like, all right, feva

money different, that's soccer. I was like, this makes sense. So the years later, I don't even a boris knew that in the room. So when when Call of Duty didn't use it, um, the U S. Army picked it up. The Army picked it up. I got paid for it again, they didn't use it. Then after the Army didn't use it, Spider Man Movie use it. So this is all the meantime. I'm making this album and I'm torning. I'm like, all right, so if I can get tense songs, every one of

these songs, can you get singed? Then I don't need nothing else, you feel me. So then I made this song called back Back. I made it for Baywatch. They put in the Baywatch trailer and I noticed that, like, k exactly, so what's it called? Um, don't see it there exactly when you came you came to seat, So what's McCall it? What's the name name? Damn? What's her name? Um?

Fuck no? So I make I make back back right and we go the ohay is director and like it was a you know, the music director kept putting my ship in a certain ship. So I was I noticed, like what songs kept getting singing, Blue sage kept getting sink and someone nor singing. I noticed like it was like they was going for the most abrupt sounds to kind of separate the scenes. So then I started making

music with that in mind. So back back guy Um, I got back back in Baywatch, Black Panther, and like one other thing, and then a lot of the other songs was getting scence. So basically I was that changed my whole life, and then that changed the torn because now I could play. It was the point of time when I was playing festivals, no rappers on the stage

but me and Golden. It was the only rappers on the on the build unless you play hip hop festival like Splash or something to be like Prime and be headline or some ship like that, like some cool ship like that. But other than that, if it was no real hip hop festival, it'd be two rappers on the whole festival, be Me and Golden, something like Damn Old

who gold Link for Sea. So I was like, all right, if it's fifty festivals this year, and I know for a fact I can play every single one of them because they're not even gonna want to play in them crowds. Then I'm just I was just counting the money. So I had like a two or three year span where I wasn't even wrapping about the games. I don't even cursing really was, So I really wasn't because I was thinking about these shows. I wasn't saying the again ship

like that. And then like you know, something happened in life and I was like, man that I'm gonna be kind of more. I'm just gonna do what I do. But I cleaned up. But it's like it was really worth it to me because it's like it was wasted years. Wow, you know, chasing the money, blowing up, the way that you approached making the music for the certain opportunities. That's that's that's when Bad, That's when Bad and Boogie was out.

So it's like, all right, you gotta think about how many they help was doing all kind of alien movies, all kind of superhero movies. Marvel was popping, so they can't play these songs essentially when they playing in these in these movies. So what I would do is I would look at kind of scores. I was watching like Blade Runner, I was watching Certain Ship, and I was seeing what that kind of music sound like, and I

was looking at how international things worked. They was putting a lot of playing a lot of older you know, old UK music and ship like that, and I've kind of just figured out looked at we looked at what movies was coming out, and we just made songs that would fitting certain things. And it makes sense if you listen to the catalog, at least when I was listening recently, each song sounds different. Now it makes sense why, Like you're thinking in yeah, this is for this, this for

this is for this. I didn't have a two old projects certain shows for action movie starting shows for their startin shows for that. We were doing that and to this day and we just got another one for this

other movie. So I mean it worked. But essentially it's like I had some lives and hommies passing, like some family members passing ship, and like it just kind of re reassessed like the way I looked at like because like you know, you get older, you gotta realize what matter you feel me And I think I got to the points where I kind of had a better understanding

that recently. Does does it ever? Does the fans ever get on your case, because if you're making the music for these opportunities, then you're not necessarily making it anymore for the fans. I mean, but who are the fans? Feel the fan the fans like I'm asking, like, really, who are the fans? And fans are based on your point of view. So if you if you're making this and this is working here and look this way, the

needs are the fans. If you look at way it needs a fans, it's only gonna be somebody to like some ship, so you can't pay attention. And the way I looked at it was like, man, it's I hadn't done so much worse ship than made a song, and they don't like I got motherfucker's that's gonna be really mad for the rest of their life for me, so I care about it. Sounds crazy, but I care more about the niggas I didn't done wrong in my life that I was like, you know, really done something too.

Then I do a motherfucker who don't care about who don't like a song you fee me? I want to tell them theyket sorry not to necessarily music people just add where I'm at in life right now. So I understand it. But everybody like music is emotional thing, and like I knew I was gonna be able to do music because I was good at certain ship. So if I can convince you that you're mad, so you go around the corner and whatever, I know, I can get

these nigga and listen to a song. When I first started met SID and telling on them, I wasn't making the music. I want to rapper. That's why I don't got no rap name, because I ask me my name, because I did the verset and it just I was told my name and they put it in the ship and that was my raping. So now the North North right, all right, now we're understanding Long Beach is its own entity. It's its own city. Now it's like you're you're narrowed down, like now I'm just not from North As. I'm not

just from Long Beach. I'm from North North. Can you break that short, person that's never been to California before? What is Nor North? I mean? Yeah, it's like every every city has a segment, you know what I mean,

And and the segments have segments. So I feel like the way it is is nobody had ever said that from I got a gang of homies that's from North Long Beach, but they from East Side gangs because I was the bigger gangs or you know, so when you because a person that don't know, when you say they from that's you're saying that's the set they joined exactly exactly. But it's like it's a gang. It's g g Nique is like all the dudes that's from the North, that's

from Eastide gangs. Like that's reparables for me. But at the point in time, it's just you know, it's the crowd like people do would make their most sense. And also with the racial so we say this North Side, I don't have a lot of the big games. Well we got the two biggest games gonna be on the way on the east of me and twenties in the same is the biggest hoods. That's where tradey from. Yeah exactly. So it's like most people are just gonna be from there.

And I got the homies that is from there, an homies that was from there, and then came back to a lot of stuff happened like that. When you kids, you know, you're trying to find your way. But it's funny North North wasn't even gone I thought it was too burnt out because so let me ask you some of him sorry to cut you off. Is that why snooping them rep east side? Yeah? Is that why the crazy thing about snoopers? I'm sorry throwing these games side horrible.

I just said that he's rubbing off because I'm listening to I'm sorry and Christian cribb'all like I just got got me. I'm sorry good, I'm just like, so, yeah, that's why they say that east out of the now. Also, I would hear certain songs or snoop was safe ship that's on the north Okay, like he said on the intro of the Oar, stayed on fifty first thirty blocks from the east side, like nigga, that's down the streets. Like why you just say that you stayed on the

north like people. His father talked to him about this a million times, like he's like, he's like and he said, he always tell me that he appreciated that song because it's like, you know, he come from Areya. It was clashing like what every about in the north side. Let

the songs about North North? Yeah, because like he said, it was a point time when he was clashing with the north, northeast, n there long and so that there's still kind of iffy, but um, yeah, man, I just felt like and I didn't want to put out because it was too burnt out. I felt like it was too real based on what was going on at the time. You feel me like it was if you like really listened to that song, I was doing some stupid I should have said, should have said a lot of ships.

It is what it is. But yeah, man, that's my only platinum plaque, So I ain't mad at it. I ain't so so for people that didn't know. Basically, you're saying, there's there's, there's the east side of Long Beast, but then it's the north side of Long Beasts. Yes, gets overlooked a lot of times because people go and they join the east side game and in the west long as you got the west side too. There's some real dudes from over there. Like. But it's like the thing

about Long Beaches. I understand it because when we grow up with those one with those racial rapping for Aians, it's a lot of racial tension and Long Beach. So it's like, if you like it's just black a Mexican o. So Asians and Mexicans, Asians and Indians. Yea, the Asian and Mexicans have a really really really bad clash, like like it's risk. It's probably worse than it's because they look closer to each other. Asians and Mexican. Yeah, that

got a really bad worse than the Blacks Mexicans. It's it's probably equal, to be honest, if not only were not say worse because they're in closer proximity, some more things can still bad right now. Yeah, to the day when we say Asians, we are including zombies. Just Cambodia, you know a lot like most of Southeast Asians, Cambonians, you know, like you know, that's what's crazy about Long Beach, Long Beach and mis me of Queens. They have so

many different races. Someone some wow, that's crazy. Someones historically blood No, I don't know why I think trying to think call him used to have There was blood blood

in Carson. I just that's how I think of in Car and Carsonal someone's bloods for them, Parting and Compton and Long Beach all some cripts, you know, all the Park Village and Company especially and yeah, then you just depend on where you at your feeling, Like like the thing about the crib blood shit, it's already it's already established. Like if you live over here, this is nig you don't get the pick really, you know what I mean.

When you're a kid, if you really aware of your surrounds, you kind of already know what's howe to defenh you. You know, you fall on where you live at. That was it ever crazy? Like to see somebody come to your neighborhood were all red on or some of the homies had had how manies of red hair and long beaches and you know it's nigga's cript gangs. That that we're red is like a secondary type thing. When I

was going niggas wasn't. The older people wasn't feeling it, but we was young and we were doing whatever we wanted, Like you can't it's long beach, Like everybody's a crip. So ain't nobody wearing blue? That's like that's not enough, that's not that's not differentiating. And you know what I'm saying, Like, so I was kind of past the color thing, like that's more of an l a thing because every city

got its own politics. You know what I'm saying, like what happened in La Will, happened in Content and happened a Long Beaches all different. What happened in Carson is different guarden, and everybody got different politics. So now, um, every time I see you with a hat, it's only one hat, it's a goddamn yeah all right, and that recently, and then I want my two Yankee chains. I got three. I couldn't find my other one. But um, and when I did the research, they said that you're a fan

of Derek Jeter. Oh yeah, I love baseball, man. You're a fan of Yogi Barra and daw With Strawberry. Yeah. Look, man, you gotta know what to tell the police when they pull your checking out across the police used to access the name players on the team. Oh okay, let me okay again, this is the East Coast super Green. What they say We're talking about this recently on Dream Champs about how specifically now is that a gang? I mean everybody picked they on it's a gangle hoods that where

they had right, we already had any black word. I had asian zat a family where that had a schoolyard, where that had the neighborhoods where they had and the fee where that has Sometimes a lot of people were it's it ain't it's only so many hats. I think it's kind of gotta shear hands. Just depend on the neighborhood you win. So so you said you have to know what the police to tell you. So the police pull you over and they say why you have that

hat on? And you name somebody from the actually sports team. They're leaning in on you. Well, I mean when we was kids and we ain't even driving you someday, Oh, what's that mean? You know, when you're outside the public, when you're a kid the publicly they won't to you, but they identified that this hat. You ain't from no New York. But the police know everything, right, they be telling on themselves all day. It's five snitches that nobody know about it all the time. It's five secrets, snitche

secretary that's telling the police everything that's going on. I grew up with my Space. I think it has been telling on theirselves. So the police know everything that's going on. They're not they're not stupid. Let's go, let's go back to the subject. Let me actually want my momy to go back to the Yogi Berra and the New York Hat. But let me just ask you right now, they say they've got poo shasty, right, And they said that, and then I'm just being honest. That's want every want to

be honest. The person that they allegedly said that he shot took back his story with canting this story or whatever that word is, right, So then they said about that they linked the money that he actually threw in the air. So the money that was found where the people got shot, there's no way they could do that. Bro, they can do whatever they want. What I mean is they're making that ship the funk up because they know

we are gonna challenge that ship. Like I'm sorry, I'm listening, and I don't want to problems with the fat but listen. One thing I noticed when the Fens came and got me for for whatever, they actually didn't know ship. They were sitting there and they were they were, they were fishing with me, and when I wasn't saying nothing, they got me the funk about it and they got someone else in there. So what I'm trying to say is

most of the time they don't know ship. But what it is is they don't present something that seems like like like, let me just what they're saying is they found a dollar. Out of thousand dollars that he threw, they found one dollar. No, of course, but when I'm talking, I'm talking about different because I'm talking about you standing inside an apartment building that guy graffiti on the wall, wearing a specific hat, and we know your Instagram exactly.

It's that. Now, get what I'm saying. So, so were not when I was younger, Like when I was younger, it was the police kind of knew who was who. They knew certain people. So if I know him and I know him, and you with him, now you like him, you know what I'm saying, So you can kind of I was able to wiggle out of certain if they that happened. Now it's over. I ain't gonna lie to him, but you kind of can wiggle yourself out a certain

we have gang probably got certain ships like that. Will take off your shirt, Let's take picture of your tattoos like they were do not to when it was miners. You know what I'm saying, like, oh, give me your hat here, take a picture. And we're about seeing at the movies that you didn't have Mimi. Oh yeah, I have New York. You didn't have this New York naive and cent man yea yeah in a sentence until the

Hip Hop Police was game Unit. And that's one thing that people gotta realize, like, you know, no matter what you're doing, I think it's important, Like speaking on the push, I think it's important to say with him, a young boy and the ship that you're happening, you're gonna understand as an artist and you, especially being young, you have

so much more of your life ahead of you. Even if this raps on the last for four years, five years, you have, you know, real real possibilities of economic growth and like stabilization and ship within your community or from your family. And you gotta be mindful of that because every single thing that you do, Bro, I gotta rest he once and they dude, I was in the car. They left me in the car was hot as hell too. They left me in the car and start playing my

music videos on the cell phone on this ship. But I still acting like that to know if I was playing them playing my music videos on ship, blah blah blah. He posted my bill and they didn't take my They said my DNA wasn't assist. They was basically saying I wasn't in jail. And the crazy thing about it is like with you, they wanted with you at this time of year, but it's like and it's like, but I wasn't big, but it's like I would. I got arrested at home, so it was different, but it really made me.

It sucked me up when I was like, so, you know, you try to wiggle and try to get to you know, trying to I'm trying to figure out a way to get a O R. So I'm trying to play cool with niggas and like trying to figure certain shoot out. So I'm like, excuse me, I'm talking. I'm trying to use the phone blall black because I still this day, at this moment, I mean, I didn't know if they knew where I was at, so I'm just calling blah blah. And then he said, I'll know who you are. We'll

do do up there. I'm like, yeah, I'm supposed to be getting built out. You know, I'm just talking to him. He's a R. So you know, you went in the back and then they put you on your ship. You go, you go to the two men's whatever. So you pull me back out and said, yeah, you're not in the system at all, blah blah blah. And I have the festival that weekend, when my first festivals. So I thought about it, like, damn, it's not a coincidence that that happened.

And he asked me who killed these niggas way over here in my address along with me I'm doing in l A. You know what I'm saying. And then when I go to the fucking thing, y'all saying that y'all don't have my DNA and assistant when you just did it and I've been built out fucking twenty hours ago and I don't know it. After that, I was like,

you gotta I gotta be more mindful. Like I had to judge to the d A, well we can't charge him with this and we can't do this, and we came down the d A. It's fighting for like little ship, and it's like, you gotta understand. I don't know what it is, but when you kind of have starting a love of success, things is gonna change. Feeling. People are gonna come for you. So you know, we just gotta do a better job at letting everybody know they're important.

If you know you're important, and you're important your community, importing your people, and you can really change everything on a small level. You know, for you're a rapper and you get a hundred thousand dollars, then that's not a lot based on what rappers say, but that's a lot in the real world, and you can change a lot for your people. So, you know what, you gotta be smarter. You know, I came from an era where we was dick heads, but the record labels really did have our

backs at that time. Like I don't remember a rapper ever staying in jail more than five days. Like I don't give a funk if it was for murder, I don't give a funk, Like you know, God bless because this is you know, this is this is not bigging them up, but this is also just pointing out the facts you know from you know, our brother right here

and looking at DMX, I don't remember DMX. Like when when Leo cons and Kevin Lows and Julie Greenwall and Mike Kaiser and all of them were together, they were Remember Leo Cols belled me out one time and gave me fifteen grand over and I was like, what the funk? Like he was like, here take it, and I was like, I was like why. He was like, I'm talking to you for it anyway. I thought he was like the bell was dirty grand. It was only fifteen but you want me to do you want me to take it back?

I was like, fifteen grand back, motherfucker. You know what I'm saying. That's what I'm trying to say. Stay here. They had a retainer on standby. That's the crazy. This's is real ship. I'm not making this up, you know what I mean. Like they moved on one to bigger and better, but they gave you the money. He because he it was on your budget, it was on my budget.

Puts on but like they had bail like like like I know it's that, but but like they would sign you and say, Okay, eventually we think he's gonna catch a case, so let's put fifty grand to the side for him. Let's put thirty grand to the side of him.

DMX had bodied five to the side. Roll like that's serious, Like that's serious, and I never yeah, yeah, if you have four or five fellers, these are still on the street, Like listen and this this is, this is, this is not the days of no snitching is going on nothing, that's record. Labels had to understanding what the police saying, We're gonna pay to get our people out. And when I look at because I know Gucci Man, because I know Push actually signed the Pucci Man, so I know

Gucci Man got it. I'm not saying financially, but what it is is sometimes you need that complexion for the white complexion, for that connection, you understand I'm saying. And when we're doing things like that, That's why I was always scared, you know, to sign to a murder ink or a death row because the face of the company just wasn't wasn't accepting in the court and the course somebody like like this le All comes, nights coming, take

going to take Le's money. Man, I mean, it's just just one of is not now take Leo out because you know what people saying, Oh that's the white guy taking le All out, takeing out. Put Kevin Lows in there, put uh, put a Kadar, put a Mark Pitts or something like that. It would be the same exact thing. Show this reputation supersedes him. So they'll go with the

lesser even or lesser powers. But what I'm trying to say is regulabels back then, like when I'm looking at you said the NBA Young boy, Um, that's another right now the case right now I think even um, I'll keep hearing about little dirt name keep popping up. And what I'm saying is I'm not I'm not glorifying this.

But back then these cases will disappear. But were also I think I think I think what you're saying is and we didn't have Instagram, Yeah, But also what you're saying is that the the labels is more aware of who these artists was. And I think a lot of that come to sell forward because at the point of time, like I was saying that the labels and they might we don't know what's going on with him because the

world has changed so much. They might be struggling a lot of these dudes, like you just think we need self awareness, like what they need artists, like they need to know how important it is. Bro, I going to my neighborhood, brought swear to God. You hear it a hunted NBA Young Boys songs back to back and then you hear a hunted Little Dirt songs back to back. You know what I mean, like like these people is real significant, important people in our culture. You know, everybody

had their struggles, but also listen to these songs. Listened where these people come from. We can't expect everybody to be ready to fly straight right away, you know what I'm saying. So no real talk, no real patient. Another perspective, and you might have to look at it. Maybe it's not that they had your back. Is that the investment was so important for them. We have bigger budgets they need to because it was worth a lot of money for them. Yeah, we have bigger but there's not so

much buster arrested, you arrested, the bail money? Yeah yeah, Listen, I'm not gonna say it's a better times. Don't want to be the old dude, you know, back in the days, you know, you know, when the dimeback was a dime. I don't want to be that guy. But what I'm trying to tell you is, you know what I'm saying, but I'm trying to tell you is I've got a lot better back then. Because although they although they might have not gave a ship about us, just as they

don't give a about us. Now, at least they they pretended, I don't want to say for intended. At least it felt like that, you know what I'm saying, Like we would go to certain CEO's houses and things like that. It's and it's not to like, you know, praise it. But you know, for a kid coming from the ghetto, you move out of the ghetto, you go, you go get your version of what you think is wealth. And then and then this regulabel comes and say, hey, listen, let me show you what I think as well. You

know what I'm saying. And for some people it's motivations, you know, like I don't look at you know, I don't know if you guys see, but jay Z just uh went to this Hampton party, rights all white Hampton party. And if you look at this, jay Z is showing his watching every one of the pictures. I don't care what pos it is. He like you look at the pictures with FaceTime. He's not digging up his loves like this.

Y'all see that three million out of me. So what I'm saying, you don't never grow out of, you know, the holy ship. You don't the man has everything, the most beautiful his wife in the world, and he went to the happens and who the star wasn't happen It's three million dollar watch. You know what I'm saying, Look at go Google to see Google right now, I don't eve you were catching from You're catching from either angle. I'm talking about. He was like this, he's gonna see that,

and you gonna see that ship. And it's like he got everything in the world. But we don't grow, we don't get out of certain things, and we're still these people. So you know, I don't know I got there, but you know, it's it's it's it's it's a it's a it's an ill situation. Now when you go to Google it and go look at it, you're gonna see. So I don't know why I got there what we were talking about. But but back to your original point, it's not that I don't know you even drunk. It's not

the prevalent. But but I kind of know what you mean because when I was doing Street Team Ship Mark Echo, he was working in the Echo account. I got locked up. He came and got he flew us out to the Jersey where I was like we had a meeting with him, which we was never having meetings with the CEO of any company we worked with. And then he brought in the lawyer afterwards because it makes you sign a release saying that if you get caught doing promo ship you

don't work for the company. Then we signed it. Then the lawyer comes in and he goes, it's the lawyer. You're gonna talk to you guys. If any of your gets caught, it's on us. We're gonna get you out. Here's the lawyer's card. But when I was like, man, this is different, and so I kind of get with you. I'm telling you that we're a little bit more mafia structured back then. Right now we're I mean, I get what you're saying, because at that point in time, I

guess hip hop wasn't necessarily commercial stranstration. You know, it's getting commercial, So it was kind of operated in the world that like he was the first real commercial guy like that wasn't trying to be commercial, like he That dude never changed, like that dude was as pure as But I mean, would you call it commercial? Ain't ship commercial? D MG? Ex fact that it went commercial, what's it's the thing, this thing that that's not that's not commercial.

That's just success a lot a lot of the times. So you know, and whenever mother get success, you get a love of success. You can't. You gotta switch your roles. It's not all I'm a running against some money. It's like, now you commercial because of the hyde, but records will make you commercial. Like Uma was bigger than me my Spanish record, But who do you go up it but that? But that's still not commercial? Commercial? How some ship commercial and it's not in English and you clear out the world.

It was like commercial but coal It's just how do you fund commercial? Argument? I'm not another debating him, but I'm saying is like like like to me, little Kim records superseded? Kind of who little a little Kim? Excuse me say that. It's the opposite way. People more less know who Lulu Kim is. This they know hard records, you know what I'm saying, because they're identified with her, her image. It's so big that I think she supersedes

her records. That's brand though. That's when you become a brand. Okay, your records, that's just you as a brand. I mean everybody gets to the point of where they where they bigger than their records. If you get to that certain height, you gotta be bigger than you know. I'm not. I've never got to bigger than black pit Bull. Pit Bull is a good guy who I see served a balance

and I see you got a love for people. Watch you watch People and j Lott Tour or something like that episode so um, but People was as a person I feel like who did a perfect like he was became Mr Worldwide and they can keep her suit on. He never swept for some reason, hedn't started like that though, well he swept before, not at all, don't. I don't know a PRIs let me be taken over. You know what people look like. He had the blower on him, nigger him, and I was at the fight. It was

the most I was calling some Cuban Miami ship. I was like in the middle of now we damn that went to blows were talking about it. I was in the middle and it was like, and I don't know what he was mad because you know, two Cuban guys mad is the most hilarious ship you see in the world. I just I don't care what you said, Like when they were going at each other and they go they

get red. And I'll tell you, the only thing that's more entertaining than two Cuban guys going at it is if a crip is mad at you, when the crip person at you. Corrupt one day, Corrupt was like crupp is different, though, was crazy. That's my was like, was like because cubs on sixties every sixty and I was just like and I forgot, like, listen if you had been squashed it and it was all good. But I was like, Keith still saying what you were saying, like it's an art and and the down South dude when

the downstop dude and start beefing. Those are the three best things. So why y'all never talk about correct being like one of the best trappers? Definitely? Yeah, I do. This is crazy. He noticed that, right, Yeah. And let me ask you a question. So you said you stayed in south Gate, I lived in south Yeah. Were you young? Yeah? My family is in Downing. Did you have how was it? Did you have to grow up like convincing people to

not convinced, but explain to people that you're not Mexican. Yeah, Actually, that's the only thing I really remember Mexican kids didn't like me because you weren't Max. You wouldn't say it was. And I didn't know what I was because didn't like, you know, because I was like Mexican and I knew I wasn't. But I didn't know what Cuban was. And they're like, what is that? My cousin who was older had to come out and fight, fighting the fight for me. Yeah that that get rough what you asked it when

you said that, what's the Cuban ship? What's the Cuban ship? You say I wasn't, brother, I was, they said, he said, this guy like you're staying saying like and and and and they kind of really just like the Mexican and like else Hava Dorian and I didn't really know about the other stuff, Like I was just curious growing up. Yeah, now there's Cubans and Downey Downey's hell, Yeah that's what my family is now. And my family is in Inglewood as well. About thirty what about it? Right? I miss

a lot of people. It's a hood. They're not like they're not checking like blood semple when I was a kid of COVID testing. Yeah, just who you is? But you don't know a black nigger from him at start Team Cool, Lou, Yeah cool, this's my dog's next a noys for the black I was when I was a kid, I was locked up with people in their t what I was telling people this, this gang is crazy, not knowing that did crazy. You never seen this dude operate, never seen it. I just looked at his pictures and

I was like, these niggs is crazy. Like that's so they didn't have to prove nothing to me, Like I don't have to go on Instagram and DM not. But and now to see you know MS thirteen, it's it's crazy. It's crazy, bro. But you know that's how you know l A, Los Angeles, California gangs are crazy. You know that started from eight Team Street. No, no, okay, let let's not happen. Okay, don't say I heard listen, come on,

this is where I heard watching so gang Land. I'm sorry, man, but just so you know, you know, it's like it's like ten eight, it's like ten different MS thirteen who was like at minimum right? Oh no, I didn't know every one of them started there from this day at thirteen in Korea Town. It's one MacArthur Park. It's like it's five five hoods over there. So the documentary about the park, that's where they get higher. All right, I mean you mad documentaries about man, simply where are you

watching these documents? That's when they get high, man, that's where that's crossing. Got shot on the Fresh Prince. Yeah, do you remember? Wait? Will got shot? Really they tried to. They try to shoot Carlton and Will had to hop in front of the bullet. Carlton had to blow it, but he part fake, So We'll got shot. Carlton ain't plugging number. But then Carlton came back to the household with the lawn like man, I'm I'm a hand of this. And then Will took the blower from this, like nigga,

why you got the blower in the hospital. You're going to jail. This is what impresses me. And we can go back to my car. The part like you know your history, like you really French prints. I didn't really here. No, that's to be fun that I'm giving me what you said it sid a mad historical Yeah I've heard. I felt like that should happen, and like with Will Smith

man shout out Will Smith and his kids. Man, because like even like like I want to go Google, go back to the the the Yankee thing even knowing Yogi bearra like at your age, like was that someone that passed down to you or not that The g Q just asked me why it was? Then if into the Yankee and I'm not giving a white people the seekers, So I'm started to having people that I lay from them Yankees. Okay, And you said Derek Jither, Yeah, man,

I funt with Derek. Dere was nice. Yeah. We gave me his one of the keep a championship at Cherry Park when Derrik was popping. We used to play and then we fought and Cherry Parker is well, it's as long as you want to know about the cemetery. Okay. Now I assumed you also named Darryl Strawberry because you're like cocaine stories nuts, Strawberry brother, like a real crib. It's like a real holy ship brother, real thinking. I'm not gonna speak with the drivers, but they their families

a real thiggau I ain't gonna love. In my mind, I saw a down Strawberry cop in my mind. This is allegedly. Now you know what I'm saying his brother that they you know, you know when the old nigga shake your hand and they just really aggressive with him. That kind of not sweaty palm not you know what I mean. Don't like sweaties. Sweaty palms is not good. Man, I don't like sweaty palms. Okay, I got more notes. God damn, I got more notes. Man. Uh huh Okay.

Hold because no one's gonna take a shot. So I mean you want to go by Mr Shots get shot? All right? Listen, this is what we're gonna do. We're gonna do a new game. It's called a quick Time and slop the same game, right, but we want you to pick out who you want to take a shot for you. You can pick out any one of these guys right here. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That was great girls, great shoe, great shot, great shot. So so we're gonna

make it worse. So it's quick time with slides. You could you can pick one of the other, no problem. Neither is he take a shot? Both he take a shot? All right, I'll take a shot of green juice, all right? Nas or jay Z. Well, we have music, yeah, music, whatever whatever it is to you. We're gonna have to drink out. We'll be pouring your shot and find expirits in the world. I think we said that, vincebo your shot, Scottie Pippen sent it to me. I didn't actually drink

it yet. Did we drink drunk? Scott Pippen was that I didn't the green juice, the green juice or green juice from organic food organic foods taking just come out. That's right, and on my strawberry. You think that's why they beating because Scotty got Scotch. I think Scottie and Jordan Jordan. Jordan got to kill me. But Jordan's ship is good. Jordan, Top shut that drink top show. Yeah, Jordan, I'm not in the killer like a trophy. But keep it going. Did you take it? We shouldn't let him

pull your shot. Okay, there we go. Okay, Ken j A call Kindred. Okay, then that was fast. That's what I mean. Okay, uh dmx a tupap Okay, West Coast Man. They sure New York. Why saying are you going back to that Baltimore? Because I love his history of it, just knowing his history and being upfront with it. Kanye Farrell. Look, okay, back that Tyler or Earl wrapping anything. It depends because when they're not close in no way. Okay, you gotta gotta you gotta specify who you really hang with, Oh

tab Earl all day. I'm not hanging out with Tyler. I think it got too much energy. White you too much? Okay, Ice Cuba iced tea, I didn't, Okay, respect on loyalty. I respect n w A or future a Biggie You're Big al Biggie podcast or radio podcast, dre or DJ quick quick mm hmm. Shocking me some of these what are you talking? I know, I know, I know this as as well. Long Beach or a t L Long Beach. Push your a kiss Kid kiss Cardi or Nicki minaj I like little Kim Bro, I'll expect that the answer

it's accepted, Bro Kim a Foxy. That's a shot. That's a shot shot all right? First is that let's kind out fire. That's kind of about because card Nicky is like said another, I never listened to the music, but like they seem cool, like you feel me, I would like go to the house against the macaroni and cheese silace. Okay, So Kim a foxy oh Kim okay major or independent independent Alchemists or no, I d y late nineties or early two dollars hip hop? It would be early nine

is not late nine? Okay early nineties Okay, Lakers come out, don't start and went six changes? Is ninety two? Oh no, No, no four dog sells four because none And quick as the name is right at night R three quick quick as the name a second? No, No, that's doing on seven? Sound on it seven? Sound not quick as than that. I can't even remember. You supposed to be hip hop sped years we drink man drunk facts over here, the

Lakers versus the Clippers. Lakers okay, Jordan or Lebron uh m hmm, I call Lebron go space a ray quam yeah go, holy morning, I got I got more. Okay. So you said that black people most of the time takes z X and lean because they hear it in the rap song the young Niggers. For sure, I agree with you. Yeah, yeah, I feel like it's not even just it's not even that it's just music in general. When I was younger, and I didn't know what lean was until until until uh st three I didn't know

what lean was too. I went on tour with April m j G. And then like you think about still tipping and get throw like that. I don't know, we didn't really it gets California. It's different, it's different cultures every But that's all I'm saying. Music is an introductory point because it's the same thing with all these people are these other stage taking loud they want They didn't know what chrystial blood was only until they got really big in the music, of course, and they're gonna go

to your city and set up. But that's not gonna have it be to where it is now. The music is the biggest you know thing that it changes everything bro changed every end Internet. But so why do you why do you think that all our folks is like that? Like because why do you think that's so easily everybody like that? Everything like that? I think think about thinking about the spread of racism in places that don't have no black people, you know what I mean? That was

told that. I mean when you look at it's just a medium and mass conception, a certain ship. What you consume is who you are, you know what I mean? If you think about what you eat and you know what you drinking things that you are so so essentially that's everybody. It's not just black people. You see um Dick Gregory documentary. I ain't seen it. I ain't seen it. You've seen it, but everyone is aware of Dick Um. Well, I didn't know. It's all I knew was he was.

He's a funny guy. I did not know he went on a fast for two years. I did not he ran across country, like you know what was he fasted for two years? Just water? Uh, let's juicing. He was juicing, he um. And then he ran from like New York to bottom all and then he did like yeah in real life, like this is not far as gone. And then he found out a white dude who who had orchestrated a run from New York to California. So he

asked the dud and he did it. So he ran fifty it's two marathons, six US twenty so he did about fifty eight miles a day. Yeah, it was crazy. I watched the documentary last night. I didn't know why, but I was like, yo, this is some different ship. And what I'm trying to tell you is me being OPT four this year. I knew none of that. Like I knew he was, you know, for us blacks, I didn't know how much he was for and he was

fighting world hunger. So he said he didn't eat. So when people asked him why you didn't eat, he said, because there's people in this world that's starving, And he said that's how. He didn't have a Twitter, he didn't have an Instagram, so that's how he was spreading the world. So that ship fucked me up to a certain extent.

So I was wondering like, like, did you did you get the hell uh Dick Gregories plots and things like that, or I'm not but I did not see that document in act about some of the stuff you just said. But I think, you know, I'm I think that that's you know, that's how I'm going to sense. You gotta you gotta be about the ships you say, you know, you gotta kind of live with your actions, and we

should get to a place where that worst. You know, usually it's like we care when they live what they're saying. If it's some negative stuff, we gotta care about it on a positive end. So and just make sure that everybody is you know, you gotta try to help. You know, you can't. You can't. You can't put so much, you know, bad in your life. You know, I'm not trying to do some good ship, right, So when we were when are we seeing you on a big screen? What what's

happening when ship? Man, I'm trying. I'm trying. I'm trying to excuse me. I'm trying to write these shows out. I got to show your own show. Yeah, I gotta ask show ship coming through Netflix hopefully, well if we can pack it out and h yeah, I got this movie called dead Ass that we're trying to get picked up. We're kind of the stuff. I do all this and stuff like that, but I try to make some New York ship. You know that's our slang dead ass that

I'm so happy you're saying that. Look I want to change. Did I just help him? I just helped his case. I need that separate. But what I'm saying, what I'm saying, I was like, I was like, you can't name a movie this if it ain't gonna be out there, But yeah, you know I can about what is the movie about? That? Now? Yeah, I just tell yourselfing you your personality is one of the most phenomenal personalities I've ever seen. Like you know, I wanted to study you, and not only that, you're

a very very smart individual. I don't think there's anybody that we can compare you too that came before you, and I don't think there's anybody that we're gonna be able to compare to you after. You're a very different individual. Like I love the way you thought. You see how he's breaking it down. It brings you to a question, did you ever have artists development or this is something that you develop on your own. I don't have nothing. Wow. I never never had. I ain't never been putting up

producer sessions. Wow, I never been putting on riding camps. I never have no real A and R work on my child as that could at the point of time. It's all about access. You know, of course everybody cares, but I never had people all Twitter blah blah, and it's not like the social media stuff. This ain't nothing

that was. That's just I just had to I had to figure something out because we ain't had the biggest budgets, and we had we ain't had certain torrent thing, if you know, just trying to find cool ways and promote ship. You know, just I'm regular niggers, so I ain't never trying to be, you know, a superstar and all you should do did you do? Do you shoot that? I ain't never. It just happened for me, and that's why

it's funny. Sharle Mayne. I heard CHARLETTA. Mayne saying once to an e Broils saying once Sto'm paraphrasing, but one of them is like, oh, you know, with Vince. I think I think Charlotte Mayne was one of said Vincus personality is bigger than music. I think even somebody else it was one of them. Other to do said one of them too specifically, I said, yeah, once Vince stops, change switches from music and does something else, saying he's

gonna do really, really good. And I didn't understand why they said it till I got older, because I don't have a correct view of the world. You're almost thinking, like to trying to this your music. No, not even that I thought of it like this, Like you know, when you come from it, when you come from the ship, it's like it's an opportunity and you feel like you don't want to you know if this, if if this the hand that's pulling you up, you don't want to let it go. You feel you don't want to even

try to look a right. You're really seeing past it exactly. You just want to hold on, say that hand and how to get up out the mud basically, And I think I was like that for a long time ago. I can't do this because that's gonna sun with this, because that's good, funk with that when the reality all these other things was propelling it. So, you know, just trying to make sure I can kind of diversify ship the most I can and just don't do the ship.

People don't get these opportunities. I ain't never done nothing on TV ever. I knew the shows, no, none of that, and I got Gotta I Gotta shell picked up from Netflix that me and the Honey made up. But we didn't write nothing. We just went and filmed it. You know what I mean? What's it? What's it called a Little Dickie? I ain't seen it yet, but the hommy right on that song shout, I dropped that show, my hommy, Travis.

I see um season one. I haven't got a chance to see season two, but I would say that to say, I see you doing something similar like you being you. Yeah, it's possible like that. That's that's what we're working on. I'm gonna station ship, but that's that's what you're working on. Is hopefully a panel. I'm good. I think it's gonna be straight. Like put it like this. When I watched The Little Thing, I didn't know who's the homies real name?

What's uh? What's the artist that's like, I'm like, I'm thinking of my drug now let you go, let you know. So I went in with the attentions like why would they give a new artist, you know, this platform, Like I'm going in hating like to a certain extent, like to a certain extent like yo, like let me tell, and I went I came out loving it like we're season two, like you know what I mean, because again I don't know this man struggle. I don't know who

he is. So I didn't know that, you know, they had the same type of struggles just because they might not be as poor as us, but their family is not supporting them. Yeah. Yeah, like you said, emotional ship and all this crazy like you know, being an artist, that's why that's why I love DMX statement when he said, yo, he stopped calling an artists whack. And I asked him, I said, well, why would you stop calling artists whack?

He said, because one artist for sixteen different families. And I was just like wow, Like, regardless of let's think about it, for artists works at bare minimum, he's speeding at least eight to ten on his own team. Then he's helping out six to seven to maybe even the whole record label. He like saved the whole record label, you know what I mean. So um, But getting back to that, when I see the show, I was, you know, I was actually impressed, but I was more impressed that

Obviously I don't know this guy. I've never met him before, but he was portraying a life that I think that he lived. Yeah, it's important, like like but like you said, you never know somebody entry points. So him doing that show my guardens. Even like when Atlanta with Donald Gloving. Like Atlanta, of course, Donald was already successful, but Atlanta opened him up to so many more people that probably

wouldn't have been paying attention. So you gotta be willing to take the risk, and like even even ship, like when you think about Aaron, What y'all girl, Which is when y'all was all making music, y'all was taking risks. Y'all wasn't doing the same thing over and over and over and over and over again. And it's important to be creative in that light and just you know, trying to do different ships, y'all paying out. You also said one thing, I'm sorry you're bounsing around. You said you

can't be a thug in broke. Even George Washington living Compton once. Now this nigga, not George Bush. George Bush lived in Compton, and Kevin Cosner from Compton, Board from Compton the Bodyguard when he was in Bodyguard Compton? Is he from He from Compton? Compton? Yea? And they got farm. He lived in the mobs over there off like Closter Bullets and who else? He said, George Bush and George Buston lived in County. I got that from him from my mama Google it. Compthing was nice, that's where he

was at. It was Compton was like pals brain. So the niggas went over there with him. Guys changed it all. They had to get up out of there. Really, know what's you know what's crazy about you, and I know you like you know your history. You know, it's crazy about the West Coast. When the West Coast, when you ever you say something's funked up about the West Coast, you always have to blame the South. You know why? Sorry South people, Sorry, y'all went west thinking there was

no racism. I was thinking because it was the South was really really racist. And in order to go to the right to up north, you got to have a little bit of money or have some family. So those that was from the South that didn't have a little bit of money, we go to the East Californa. California had a trade you say, you warn't over They had to try the train system and the infrastructure for warehouse jobs. I don't think trying to escape racism. It was fo opportunity,

just based on the Gym Crow South. A lot a lot of the people out organizing, like the l A police chasing people like that they was getting from the Gym Crow South kind of help. Real line of the black communities in the Hispanic communities. Like you think about how the freeways has been a railroad and with downtown l A used to be like eight nine areas like that, A zuslu rides and things of that nature. It's always

been a big separation. And how what he's saying is the South kind of a lot of people came not understanding what was going on. And we think about the building of Venice and how Venice was built. You know, A McKinney died, gave it to a black dude. So he built the Oakland region for black and Hispanic people, and then they took it in the late nineties. You know what I mean, because it was he writing this sent because it was it was it wasn't a lot

of knowledge of what was going on in California. So when people came to California was kind of taking off guard by what happened, and a lot of people it was presented the opportunities there was I think um before or something like that. It was a big car, It was a fist factor firestone factory. Yeah, it was a big fire stool. And they were hiring, they were hiring brothers. The brothers was going out and then you gotta realize

California's beautiful weather. So and they're in the South and the Atlanta, South Carolina, uh, North Carolina, Virginia and all these places where they're still flying the Confederate flag. So anywhere to the people that don't got a Confederate flag seems like the primis land to us in California and New York being one. But the crazy the ship. When people say it all kind of come from the South, they're not kind of lying because all of our ancests that was was out in the South at first. That's

where that's where to pick a cotton. It was happening, and it happened to New York. Didn't happen in California. That should have happened in the South. You understand, I'm saying, we got deep today. We got deep today. I like that. I like that. I like that. So yeah, so should we talked about George Bush? Yeah, it was definitely not junior. Yeah, yeah, that's diculous. That's why I was getting confused. L ten forty nine. Wow, that's not far though. That's technically is

that where they started their oil business? Because it's all there's a cowboys this cowboys in Compton. Yeah, like the documentary I saw that. I forgot his name. Bro he Um the Trap Kitchen put put us on because we was out there filming for the trap kitchen. Yeah, the blood and the cript, both of them, and leave. Sorry to say it like this. It was getting some meat delivered, and I was like, sorry, sorry to say it like that, but you know, pause, and I was like, where is that.

They said that the homies come on on on the horses, and I was like, I'm thinking this is totally slang. So I'm like, I'm thinking, I'm out of the loop. This is some l a slang that coming down on with the horses. So I said, Nora, don't ask what the horses is, you know, just just be cool. You're in Compidon, you're in Compton. You have to trap kitchen. And then the homie comes with a horse. And I'm like, nah, bro, And I did not. I would never, like never in

a million years. The only time I think I see a horse in New York City is a police police officers on top of it. You can get you to get you some landing coming, get you a little you really really you went to trying to blue swag. My aunt got like a football field in her backyard. Literally, like it's crazy. So he did say, he said, he said, but she get really horses. I also thought that was

a joke. Yeah, yeah, I'm Sharon's gonna shoot that horse everybody. Yeah, you ain't gonna make it a horse count Yeah yeah, I knew he was working with me with that far. I knew he was spoke with that par but man, hold on, I got a couple more. Okay, hold on, all right, all right. This one disturbed me because when I researched you, you know your your pistory, you know your past, but you sat down with Joe Buden and you told the whole crew you did not see New

Jack City. I still ain't see New Jack City. It's on my list, though, it's on my lists, on my list for your listen, what's what's before New Jack City on your list? I just need to uh ship, that's a good question I want to pull. I really got a list of Saved by the Bell on that. I mean, look, bro, ship when that come on? Yeah, I don't even no, but it's just a classic, like the jay Is late eighties South sent you came out before my time. I saw it. See, I don't know. That's why I don't

see everything else. I don't love the New York movies, but New n and Yesterday's Yeah, I don't know how. I ain't seen it. You hear you hear references stuff a lot. But I thought about what else. I've never seen this movie. And it's based on the true story. Loosely, yes, it's based on a true story. It's based Yeah, based on a true story. Not everything accurate, Not everything accurate. Um, the car, the Carter really existed, The Carter really existed.

The car still there. Carter is still spooky if you actually walked by that the Carter. I don't know what's it called the graad? Okay, I don't know if it was called the car. But it's still there. It's still in the hall. It's still it's still still in the hall. So what's your relationship with fell I for he don't gave me some good advice. I only I only linked up with him like three or all time, but like

for real, really important, like in the Long Beach trajectory. Wow, because I think what he was doing with Snoop and what he did like what ice cream, like he was just doing a t K. Well, is this dude named Terry Kennedy and t K like a real nigger. So like the fact he picked him up and like he from Long Beach. Yeah, Team Black Mike. Mike passed though, and he was Terry Lion online terror. That was a

TV ship though. That was he really long, but yeah, he was freil came down there like he helped some real dude the Long Beach skateboarding and big a Long Beach all life like. It ain't never been like just everybody doing type thing. But yeah, that was for a got a really important place, a lot of a lot of hard song buard broth, are you very important? That's why out of all the West Coast dudes right that I've ever heard, you know, with Tupac didn't come out.

I think the only two people that I've ever heard say Tupac from New Bottommore, it's you and Whack one Hunter. It's it's it's not fair to take that out his story, you know what I'm saying, Like, if you if you think about where he comes from, his parents, we can't talk about his mother being a black panther and all these other things. And I think about where she was

doing these things. So how are you gonna just pick the parts of the you know, of course he say he safe from but he keeps supports and claims California's Cerntheiny just same way Corrupt claim Philadelphia in n l A. But if you act corrupt about if they just took Philadelphia away from corrupt, I'm pretty sure he would be offended.

So when you think about Tupac from Baltimore and going to New York and Baltimore and Marine City, you feel me and then hanging uplom but really living in Marine City and helping being to being an important part of you know, hip hop at that point, take away his digital underground ever, which a lot of people don't mention. You get what I'm saying. That's I just don't like miss leaving nothing out because he ain't here to say

what he want us to leave out. So you know, you don't know what he was doing, and you know he was working with Jada Pinket Smith or something like that out there, Like that's clearly an important part of his life, you know what I'm saying, Like that, Tupac is the only guy who has a record about New York. When he's talking about Skelly, he's talking about you know, Baggy G. She's talking about all the New York ship And I believe in one million per cent but then

I also believe California love. But but that's what I'm saying, like you gotta think the I think he was creating a real time. He wanted people that I was creating things in real time to save music changed so much because he was changing. He was trying to find his footing in certain ways. So since he was finding his footing, I think it's important to like to show the hole. We are talked about having the whole story, and I'm

telling about truth and that's part of his story. And that's probably the reason that he created the way that he did, because I'm pretty sure it wasn't no niggas out in Oakland or no niggas on the country just hanging out trying to write poems like it was when he was hanging out. Because I feel like I've spent some time in New York and it's like I feel like creativity is more on the forefront out there than

it is out here. Like a like if you even take something sim was a graffitio said, our ship compared to y'all ship is like completely different based on gang like but that but even when it's not like even if even even the people even the people from California who are are are bigger. The city artists have tax in New York, you know what I mean. So I New York York. So I think I think those are

important things that lets the point out. I think I think, um, I think New York and Callie really compliments each other, like you know what I'm saying, Like like being from New York and having to uh you know, go through these winners and they happen to go to the California

and to adapt to that. I think those two states when you when you're from that it really makes who you are, Like if you could adapt to both environments, but the way Pocket adapted or something totally different, because like you said, you said, you said, um, I'm from they from the hood, which or they're from that set which when we say we from, we only mean where

we were born and what we what we were. When you say a person is from that's a that's a gang that they actually because of the first it could be from cross the city. But if they're on the role in the sixties, they're from the roll in the sixties. Is that because that the way it's like, it's like, so yeah, man, these niggas that's from hoods that they

ain't even grow up in. Like I know dudes who grow up in a long beach with us, but their dad's is from Conference, so they're from their dad's neighborhood exactly. They from there. So it's like it's just a different dynamic. But I think, you know, they do compliment each other well, and I feel like it's something that we, you know,

we kind of overlooked. You know a lot of the time when you think about Ice Cubes connections with you know, his first when you think about sucking uh l cool, they're going back to CALLI shouting out, been a shoutline crib like on the bridge of his hit single, Like, there's certain things that you know, it's it's some really good connectivity for him because it's like, um with Prodigy. I'm in with Prodessy for a long time in this

in a in a Queen's thing. Prodacy also always kind of admitted to him not being from Queen's Bridge, but admitted to him adapting it from Queen's Bridge. But the people that what's really from his neighborhood really kind of forgave him from that, like like to the Dying Day. Is that something that you guys from l A as serious? Yeah, but it's what California. So this is one thing though Also I feel like, you know a lot of that comes from, you know, this conformity type thing, like I'm

sorry to cut Yorks even me. When my first record came out was l A l A. And they kept saying the Queen's Bridge Group, and like everyone from our neighborhood was like, why the fund you keep letting them call you the queens Bridge Group? Like I would have control over fucking Dottie citizens or that's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying. It's it's a market sing that

since the end of the day. Like whenever when I put out ship, be like, oh the Los Angeles rapper I was saying, but it's like and it's to bother me, but it's like they don't know no difference. Like bron I took a pitch. I haven't been on like press shure, they'd be like, oh, you want to throw up like a w And I will never do that ship in my life. It's like, oh, why that made something different? Where I live back, I can get mad or I

can just you know, explain it a little bit. But I mean, I mean, it's a ganging is that's not you know, that's not tending the truth. But you gotta think they're trying to make their little money. So if they were, it's not that they ashamed probably for the most part, probably trying to get in where they fan may more proper to how different with the record straight up the Compton be if if if Ice Cube said they straight out and I'm not so he don't sound

crazy like you know what I mean? It was on music like you know Dr Dre We all know he's like he's a musician. He wasn't know, like super duper gangster like he went up to drifting ice cu No. But what I'm saying this is, you know, like you know an ice Cube was' from like Dr Drake wasn't from. There wasn't a gangster or whatever. You dude. Yeah, but it's like but they don't take away from what they created, right, you know what I mean? So what they created stand

the test of time, and they changed the world. Who fucking cares? You know what I mean, They didn't hurt nobody, real talk, real motherfucking talk. Le's make some noise for that. Go on, I'm gonna take a shot. Hold on taking a shot. No, no, I'm listening. Man. You're a fan of brust bring stick with thunder Road. How you watching eighties movies with white people and ship? But all like back to the Future and she's like back to the future. What else? I like watching white people work hard? You

know what I mean? Anytime white people gotta work for something, like I support that. I don't like wh white people doing good and moving like Farrish doing the day off like I hate Ship like that. Okay, yeah, he's he's playing hockey with school. Yeah, okay, let's thick up another movie with white people school and he got shot in his back. Bro, beautity stole a car, didn't go to jail or none of that. Come on, bro, that's not cool. And I didn't you say on one of your rhymes

you shot somebody with the Ricky the gun that Ricky shot. Look, man, I gotta say it was a lot of stuff and said, okay, and if you offended, I'm sorry. But wow wow. So like what other movies that white people struggling? I want to watch these two man Runner bla Runner Day was doing bad. One of the Matrix the Matrix State was even Porridge Ship, the Purge Hardball with Keanu Reeves. He got packed out in the bar. Oh yeah, that's my ship with Little little Man, my nigga baby for me. Yeah. City.

So later documentary definitely not white. That white woman was she had good. That white lady was good. She was getting trained. Yeah, she got trained, pretty pretty woman. That's not that's not how that works. Like why why is that a movie? That's not how that is? Like the Hook, the Hook, the hook of marries. I'm not married the guy. But she gets she gets the whole became a housewod. Yeah, she's not cold, bro Like, I'm not with that. Okay, I gotta watch one of these type of movies and

that episode. I'm just just white people just getting getting the white with ship the whole movie. And you said you like Black to the you don't like I love Back to the Future. Okay, but Marty Mayfly got it out the mud bron say you have to go save the world. You know what? You know what, I know. I'm changing the subject a little bit. You don't remember when Dave Chappelle went back in time and to be the pimps and did you play they don't know to play?

Remember they ripped the masters? Yeah yeah, yeah, Like think that should be a whole movie. Like look that, you know how the brothers be Like if I was a slave, I wouldn't have been out there, Like I want to put those brothers back in that time and how they asked me. Ship is not built for that slavery. The nigs strong back then. Man, you ever thought you ever thought hip hop making this walk? I didn't see the beginning, and I think that's I think that's like you gotta think.

My whole life ain't nothing been important but like rappers and you know, R and B was already there, like I brought until I got I didn't really know what pop music was. I'm not exaggerate. I didn't when I grew up. I don't know what InSync was. I don't know backs people, I don't know. No, I don't know no Britney Spears, No, none of that ship meant nothing to me. The biggest no, I don't know, not that it's like you got you got me, you gotta Beyonce, y'all,

y'all you got sucking. Uh you know, it was just even down to like funing. I grew up like flavor lovers on TV. I've never seen the real world. I was my family black is like, don't know black ship, So I don't know nothing outside of hip hop. But when you think about, you know, how resilient black people live in how resilient like people from these communities are in general, like even even even outside of racially like our environment, you know that we've created that we know,

even a lot of other people to come into. You know, it's I could definitely see it because we're dealt with so much worse. But I don't know access to you know, get our voices out what I know access to you know, be really seen or her. So I could for shall see it happening right now. One thing I was scared of because I smoke a lot, was you got like a not of gold in hella, but you've got like a special in Hella. Oh yeah, I got. I got

the high and heavy duty high power ship. I got the white one, and I got the blowing with the They change the colors a lot. But I like the way you describe it like it's drugs. Like it's like it's an access Like I've never heard nobody break down in heal, like my ship got better than my she should be real bad. I should I hued not be able to do Yeah, yeah I got wow. Yeah it feel be bad health. You know eating that dollar man you for twenty some years, but you know we're good now.

So wow, you said, from eating what I was eating horrible brover doll, Like, wh we got that organic food cake? But really, so that's so I never knew that that you could eat. It's just a chip when your body knows what if I went along before I lived alone, the first of my name went down, So I wanted to Compton when we stay with my aunt and we live a car street from my from a from a US Nah, a fucking power plant. Okay, so it's like that.

My doctor said that probably had lots of doing it, you know what I mean, not really eating good and ship like that. You know it would be hot, no ac no nothing, that's California, windows up and black ball. That in California got a lot of small so it's a lot of stuff that going to it. But once I changed my diet up, you know, I started doing a little bit ship a little bit better. I was able to be straight. So for people that don't know, like, like,

what would you have to do change your diet? Like ship stops to stop you stop you like I ed sometimes, but like not as much I used to. Used to be like a cheeseburger, chili, cheese fries every day time and not nine seen at the winter snitchel, you feel me not not sent to McDonald's. You go, you're gonna you know, you got to the hood, so you got to my hood's. Um, I'm sorry you went too fast? What man, it's heat, don't worry about it. Don't work to see you. It's no, he went too fast. Hold on, yeah,

like a seven eleven. It's just it's a hot dog. But they got the best she like fries like, not like pinks like, and they got the nine cents at the five for five. So it was me, my mom and my sister German because she was Germany from that. Yes, but no, it's like some regular ships. So he's got a five for five and he's had a ten for ten, so get ten ones for ten dollars. So it's me, my mom and my sister, my sister baby and my other sister. This is bolling on the but so it's

like you feel me. Everybody get a chili burger and a chili cheese fire or two chili cheese dogs. So you can either to get a chili burger, a chili dog, or chili cheese fries. You can figure out what you'll do. I'm not really fucking with the hot dog like, so I would do the two chili don't do to get back the bass man that she is discuss it that ship wrapping plastic with it. Jack in the box muals of what Jack in the box too, But Jack in the box a little further down Cherry, So you start

to walk to Jack in the box, Boon. We can hit the backstreet and walk to Jack in the Box by a little having the mouse. Or you can go to winnerste We gotta Winerstance or Rallies and the McDonald's all like Miss Jr. Not see in and Out a little bit further down on south Shore the border Lakewood. But you need a gun to go to that in and out. Ain't know back in the day. I'm young. I know when I was younger, So bullets wasn't just a thing back then like you have if you have

fifteen bullets twenty bullis. I don't want to last you, so you can't be going to the wrong places. Remember Chris Rocks kid, the bullets should be expensive. Oh yeah, in real life, I'll hung out. Will come up one time. And since that, I was going through every single day, like I was stopping on last year ago and just stopping and he looked at it was a whole different way. I was like, I'm that's the seven eleven. He's like over the one, over the boy the laundry man. I'm

just I'm yeah, you tripped right. I don't know, but I don't know. Like then then I stopped at Louisiana Fried Chicken and he like, you will see that, you don't. You don't see the letters there because this is back in the days. And I'm like, I don't look at uh something and look and see it red and think that that's a sign. So I s with the God. I went to the seven eleven, like seven days. The seven days I was there. I needed to see the corruptions. The eighth of the ninth day, and you know, him

and dads came out. They helped me down, but you know, I was busy and see him, but when I went to the same exact places I was going to, they were like, no, cause we can't do that because like you don't see. I looked, and I was like, damn. Louisiana Fried Chicken at the time was in red letters. So I was like, but I don't put two and two together like that. Like I don't look at graffiti and say, you know, because I'm Puerto Rican. So when I look at grafiti, I'm looking at the actual art

to it, like I'm actually green. When it comes to that, I'm looking like, Okay, this says such and SuDS. Okay, this is great nuts, great nut Street. Okay, I'm thinking. I'm not thinking gang Let's take it nine Old that's where they stay. Yeah, I'm not thinking. I'm to East l A. No, no, no, you'll be fine ether because the graffitia in East l A is crazy. Y'all love the graffitia like soop like over there, like when you get a little bit behind Burbank, like it's like a

little tunnel that they'd be all in. I'll tell you a funny story about East l A real quickly. I did a movie with my friend Noel g Fast and Furious he's been fast and curious. I didn't do fast curious. Obviously the movie I don't want to name the movie because the movie is horrible. Um, but I did play the black guy fucked and I got killed, um because that's how matter. So um So, one day, uh we we you know, we we exchanged numbers this after the movie and he says, you know, boom boom, and you

know we shoot the sh sai. Y'all be bringing my hood, he said, y'all bringing in my hood. And one day that I came back to l A and I'm saying, hey, man, you know I'm out here, and He's like, you nor right now, I don't really want to bring you around there because even though your Puerto Rican, it might take a long time for people to identified that your Puerto Rican. And right now there's a big wall going on, at least at the time with the blacks and um and

the Mexicans. And he's basically saying, man, you look black. And then we didn't go. We didn't go. That's that's my story. And every time I have been to East Los Angeles, it's been on my own. I never really called h a person. Do you you wouldn't even check it in for what. Okay, okay, man, bro, don't do nothing wrong and you'd be all right. If you're pushing positivity. You say what's up to people? I don't. I never know security guard day in my life. Every I go everywhere. Wow,

what's up? Bro? Oh yeah, hey, what's your name? Oh? Awful show? Bro? I was that it was at the chicken place, Like my homie got a chicken truck and he burnt out. So he only puts it in high pressure situations. So I pressure meaning the hood. Yeah, like always in a high pressure area. So we were somewhere it was that you said, high pressure. Gonna take that something cool of hood? Now this is just high pressure. Yeah,

that's all it is, high pressure situation. So Bow when Nigga walked up and just looking and in my hommie. So I look in at my homie go across the street. They trying to pull the car around. I'm like, star, look at the dude. So he just looked at him, like what's up? Bro? He was like, hey, is that is your name? Whoopy whoop? I'm like yeah, He's like hey, blood, that's crazy, hold on real quick. I'm like all right,

nigga pull out his phone and call his son. He was like, Hey, I need you to talk to about this whoopy. Don't don't you funk with him and I'll talk to something real quick. And it's like, all right, what if they get like flash on him and like be disrespectful or like, you don't know what that man was going through that day. You don't know what that meant to him. You know what that meant to a son.

So my thing is like, all you gotta stick, you gotta stick body feel me if I'm if I'm on some you know, some cool ship now and I'm trying to know uplifted all these other things. You gotta be like that all the time. You can't be You can't pick a time to bang on somebody and pick when I first came out, when I would go to certain places, I would only catch a drama when I funked with their bitches and I used their drugs. If I didn't if I didn't use they drugs, if I ain't free,

area in the world was a beautiful place. And also it's the way you move around like you feel me like at the end of the day, especially for motherfucker like you like nine times out of ten when you're walking down street, somebody know you know, you feel me. So it's like that's already enough, Like that's real. But if you got folksy somebody mugging blah blah, that that admiration and turn and then you know something wrong, So

that's crazy. Yeah, that's one reason, like I never that's the reason why when we used to rob people in my hood, we used to always rob the cruise. We never robbed the dude. The game solong. You're not messing when nobody body like you're gonna come out with all these something's gonna happen. You know what I'm saying. You're racking about that. I swear to guard. We said, have a set up, queen. She's just bringing people to the hood. And we would always say if the dude come by,

his don't know, he deserves to leave us. Don't know, he just like he don't deserve to get it. But the dude who come in with the three other people told him to wait in the car. Damn people in the car. Now, now you're just roughing the environment exactly what You're like a gurue man. And if you would have stayed in Atlanta. A couple like six more months, you and tr might be in the run for the

illis bourbage ever? Yeah they talked different out there. Yeah yeah, but you got the word play to you not had that Atlanta ship like him and Killer Mike went to a straight different type of school. They had to. Yeah, they went to like Frederick Douglas was a teacher when killing Mike. When killing Mike called me, I don't know what are you talking about? Just ask yourself, like man, but yeah, you got you got that bourbage too, man, you got that burbage too. So the ops record what

is the ops on the radar? You can call the cops. Yeah, So I don't even had it. That was even saw kids like, hey, I want you on the Black Panther soundtrack and he seen me the whole song and I just did the worst. He said, dude, do it from here to here. But I think a lot of that came from me doing that big Fish ureut prior because it's funny, like I had, I did the trailer all

this other stuff and then they made the soundtrack. So you know, I like, I like to think that it's it's kind of uh, I kind of helped out a little bit, you know, being on the project and having the trailer, you know, a lot A lot of it was to help the Black Panther go. You Black Panther to be the biggest movie in the world. I mean what we're saying, you have the biggest moving in the world. Now.

I don't know bouncing around, but one of my favorite joints besides North North and back back and all this other was uh fu n right, we ain't trying to funk up now. I really wish I had that as my theme song. And I was swear to God because it's like, now, tell me if I directed there, if I m understood this record wrong. Well, at one point me I was being for every club in New York City. Not a fact, it's I mean, I mean, it's not

a rumor. This is a pure fact. This was why I discovered reggae thrown because I can only go to the Spanish clubs. They weren't. They weren't. So I just became, let's do this ship. That ain't mean that, you know what I'm saying. Connection. I went fully never go four Retald, I went full Retald. Whents just true. So, um, what was I talking about damn. I was into it no before that, go for it if you win, So that

would have been my song. I would have played to security guards that had my pictures band when they said you can't get in this club. I remember Punning one time told me to come to a party. I told Punt, I'm I'm bad, and Punt It's like, I'm Pune, There's no way you're bad. I said, I'm bad. So I actually went, this is how bad. I knew I was banned. I went, I left my key in the bends like running. This is because I knew they's gonna see me right away,

so I had my hoodie on. As soon as they see me, they was like, you're better to keep the funk off this line and you're getting arrested. And I was like all right, cool, and I just left and then Punk goes to be like Punk goes like, yo, what the fun did you do? Why you ain't tell me you bad? So anyway, when I listened to Fund, it was like I would use that record to every secure like I ain't trying to funk up nothing, but we're trying to have a party. We tell a little dudes,

stay over there, we're gonna be cool over here. We are, but if they come over, we trying to fuck up nothing. Yeah, I interpret that correct. I mean yeah, I mean to me, that was a game making like you know, I feel like I'll tell you I was like game making. It's not even sending a change waiting for ship to happen, fives sitting the chance something to happen because you was paranoid.

Then you got there. You've got the other three percent that's where some ship happens, to two percent where you're not paying a station nid like it ain't that just went to fast time righters. Just at and be careful blah blah. You you're taking a bullet in out the head over and over and over again. Walk into the car. Yeah you feel me, Oh, don't go over there, don't go over there, don't go over there. Five ers in that time, you know, somebody pump fake or something happening.

It's just niggas be appearing all you see that car, You see that nigga ship that don't need to have. And then you got that little three percent of the time where you was right. Then it's got two percent of the time where you were slipping and that's when niggas died. What you gotta think, you don't. Ain't nobody waking up every day what some people is but not, don't nobody hang out with the the motherfucker's waking up every day burnt out, trying to hurt somebody. Yeah, it's

like for no reason. Of course there's something happened this then it's provoked. But you gotta think that's that's that's something happened. It only happens so many times, and niggas be like, oh man, oh a hundred fifty people got shot in southern in Los Angeles. Uh, this in in this summer. But it's like that's a lot of people with It's five million people in California and I mean in l A County. Excuse me. So it's like you, it's not as negative as motherfucker's how to make it. See,

everybody's trying to my name buns literally on life. You know, if something happened, then there's something happening. But if not, you know, everybody's trying to have a good time. We're cool, man, Black people. Cool people are cool. We're trying to hang out. So let's talk about the new album. Yeah, man ship just you know, I kind of making it simple again. You feel me like I had a recorded a lot last year, you know, you know, you record all these

songs just to use the last quantis. Yeah yeah, but it's like it was kind of at the end, So I recorded all year doing quarantine, like going into quarantine. We're recording a lot. We record a hunt as a song the features, Yeah, no we're not not now no, Now you can do what you can do it the better way to where it's like on the artist and it's just like featuring on the song time said, we're doing that. I forgot what it's called, but it's some

ship that got going on, you know technology. Other than that, it's just me just wrapping you know, ten songs. And this is independent now that this n so independent, but you own the company, Yes, yes, it's it's it's it's our company, Blacksmith. We uh we we basically just create. They don't bother, you know what I'm tuning out to really say it. But it ain't like we ain't having no means, ain't no ship like that, you know what

I mean? Ethelpia is you know, perfect at just letting you do what you want to do and then telling you how, what's how it's gonna work within what you're trying to do, Like it's all based on your expectations. So you know, it's it's simple over there. You know what I'm this, It's it's simple. We make it simple. Are you happy? Oh? Yeah? Man? My things like do you know the crazy about I've been happy. I was a happier deft year because even I don't care how

the music ship going. Bro, Like when you know, when you know, we had the situation in front of my house and somebody had somebody had lost their life and we had we was fighting that little case for whatever I happened with it, and that's when I got my deal. So how can I be mad at them when they But it's also like, man, you gotta be grateful. Man, I don't care if five thousand people listen to him music. It's nig someone right now with not one person checking in.

So it's like I can do I can change the world with him five thousand people bumping my music and honey, people bumping my music. I figure it out because that's what I do. So I'm grateful for whatever situation not gone. I don't you know what I'm saying. I'm not looking at a label like, oh man, make me this and make me that. Give me what I got and let me know what's real, and I'm gonna work with it. You feel me. You're gonna lead a single? One for

this one? Yeah? I got? I got? Uh? I mean yeah, I did the video for the song called a Lot of Averages. Then uh I got put all of average and love of averages and that's pretty much it. Like singles now, it's like ship you know, put out whatever kind of helps set the palette for the visual. You make great bodies of work exactly. You know it's not me, you see me. So I'll just do what I do and you know, go from there. Did you make music

for sinking in this one or not? No, I'll just shooting at the house because I'm at the point now I'm trying to make my own show, So I'll make a do that. You know, you put your own music exactly on future. Was that made to sink somewhere? No, that wasn't made to sink, But I think that got a couple of things to that because like that was a combination I didn't see coming. Well, yeah, what happened was so that it was a part of that song, this song called Covering the Money, and it was a

part son of that. I was just that song a lot, and then I wanted to utilize that part of the song as the hook. So we asked him and he was like, yeah, it's cool. I know. So I appreciate him saying yeah, because that's now. I was early early, early, early on, like he ain't know how it was not him, and he just said, okay, So you know, I'm appreciative that shout out to say man and you shout out to them. How about you with Todd dollar Size, that's the hummy. Yeah, okayeah, I gotta I got. I got

a good relationship with him. Must round and loose, you know, tied me around times of real musician to like Todd allar time is very underrated as hard so what he's brought to music and what he's capable of doing. He come from a real family, like he got a family like talented individuals like his grand pound down his real genius type dude. So dollar signe, my man. I want to tell you something. Man, I'm Todd dollar Sign. You helped me down at the time you know what I mean.

You didn't have to do me help me, to help me down. You didn't have to come and bring me a Mustard beat like you know what I'm saying. Like, um, like I was sending him beasts. He didn't like the beaches I was sending it, but he wanted to do the record, so he went to Mustard Gotta be. I don't know how this worked, but I know that must have signed off on its good dudes, man, So I just wanted to know just case y'all don't know. I

didn't never forget. I seen must of the other day or maybe like two years ago, and I told him, I said, Yo, I never forgot. You know what I'm saying. I love you, you know what, because the other day it feels like two years ago. Two years ago feel like the other daycause of the pandemic, you know what I'm saying. So I know he laughed, but it really

does feel like that, you know what I mean. Um, I don't know, but some Mustard, Todd Dollar Sign, you know, and even Rick Ross for jumping on that record because I was really cold at the time, and hey, I am with a Todd Dollar Sign record, you know what. I mean, I'm still a legend, but I'm cold, like being cold is cold, Like I don't want to stand next to us cold soup. You know what I'm saying. They're like, oh, you know what I'm saying, Like no

one wants that, you know what I'm saying. So um for Todd dollar Signe to be the first one to step up and say, you know what Nori, because I think he thought my heir was lost, which he probably was right to a certain extent. He's like, let me give you some young wave. Let me use something some young and he so he brung in mustard and mustard

could easy. But like, I ain't with that. You made a deal with Nori, not me, and they both held me down, and I wanted to say, you know, that's the definition of how this is supposed to be, Like you know, older statesman with a younger statesman is supposed to and the young it's not always the oldest statesman teaching.

Sometimes it's the older statesman listening and learning. And I had to listen and learn because you know, I was all a about just my camp, just with me working on Furst Off going on is Parrell Like I'm not getting a beat from someone else. So for me, I had to hum on myself first, like you know what Musty was coming up with. Mustery was hot and you know, but I really appreciated that that that that that commandity,

that's what it's called. I really appreciated what they did because you know, they tried to beat me in today world, and which you're supposed to do. Like a collaboration. It's only a collaboration if you're my fans fun with you, and your fans smoke with me, you know what I'm saying. So that's that's a real collaboration. And I always say

this because some fund up ship. The only two times I really felt like I collaborated in life was Reggae Throne and R Kelly I Sear the God like like that was the only time I felt like Kelly on a reggae tone. No no I different. I didn't know. First of all, Kelly shipped on me when I went to Man, when I went to later Verse, he was like go ahead. I was like, oh, Ship, We're like,

I didn't acknowledge you didn't give me no five. So when I seen the bed rooms, I did it my mind in my mind that we're sending that some suit yo event to me to tell you something, man um Our Show is really about giving people they flowers. I know everyone else is using that phrase now, but we're the ones who made it famous. We're the ones that came out and said, you know what, there's so many other outlets for you know, the new artists, the artists that haven't put it in the work and haven't put

it in the time. So we didn't wanna um follow suit with that. We wanted to create our own platform where our legends and people. You know what I'm saying. You've been down to two thousand and eight. You know what I'm saying, You've been doing your your motherfucking homework. You know about hip hop, your lyricist. You're a guy who makes great bodies of work. You do phenomenal videos, and you need to be praised, you know what saying.

You need to get me giving your flowers, and I'm proud of My whole team is proud to give you those flowers because you are a staple in the hip hop, not just your name. You know what I'm saying, You are a staple in hip hop. You belong. You know what I'm saying, and you make people like me proud. You make people like me who who Where I started this game, the war report was all about lyrics, That's all it was about. And then I then I started, you know, meeting girls, and I said lyrics and said,

what white? What the lyric to that? That was just straight to the point. So but you know, but you make people like me proud. You make people you know, like Nah's proud. You know, people that's like real pure uh lyricists, and the fact that you're keeping their lives, and the fact that you make pure great bodies of work. Like you know what I'm saying. Like when I if I tell somebody to recommend listening to you to Bench Staples, I don't say listening to fund I say, listen to

the whole album, listen to big Fish. I say, you know, uh, listen to Ben Staples. I say the whole thing. Because that's how much you you mean, that's how ill you are in this game. So in case I've never told you that, I want to tell you that to your face. I want to give your flowers, want to tell you how much you mean to us, and I will expect you so much. This is like this first or second time. I didn't take a drink. Yeah, I didn't take a drinker. I can't take I said, you know what I said.

I want to get on his level. I want to be on I am. I'm still smoking you know that part. It's kind of hard to stop. But I appreciate you for coming by. If everyone the album is out right now, t Vence Table type Vince Tables go get us a double long contra. Motherfucker is going down, motherfucker drink Chance. Thank you so much, my pa dropping we go. Thanks for joining us for another episode of Drink Champs, hosted by yours truly, d J E F and n O r E. Please make sure to follow us on all

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