Episode 268 w/ Miss Jones

Trick up, motherfucking up? Would it good? Be holes? Would it be? It's your boy? What Up is d j e FN and his drink chest motherfucker? Yea? And right out When when we started the show, the FN, we said, we wanted you know this, this radio stations, and there's other podcasts for you know, up and coming and new people. But we wanted to interview legends, We wanted to interview season people, wanted to interview people who have this luxurious long list of stories and just of being a part

of the game. This is not only not only a hero, but a hometown hero. She has dominated music. Then went on and you know dominated radio, which was a very hard Field, not only for a black woman before a woman period at that time. Then you know, now she got a podcast too and everything. I think she's an episode forget but forget what everisode, But I've been I'm

checking it out. She got rolled down with them. I did not know this, but um, in case you don't know who we talked about, we talking about the motherfucker lest just miss motherfucking Joe. So so I was wondering who you're talking about. So, um, you know, because what's been going on? What's been going on with you? Later? So first off, I broadcast Okay, wow, okay, so this is just like it's gonna suck me up juice, that's what That's what it is. Okay, ingenious, gen Okay, now

now snoop got in the glow. This is not in the glow. No, no, no, this is something different out the glow. Okay. And and it's infused with lavender. It looks sexy. It looks sexy. Yeah, thank you, well, thank so. Let's let's just take it right from the beginning, right um, because at first it was artists. It's about being an artist, right, so um, and listen for people that don't know a story of Projects is one of the craziest places in the world, not just queens in the world. So take

us from there, coming from a story. So, I was, you know, always singing in the house, always trying to do talent shows and things like that, and um, and eventually I wanted to go into high school for it, taking it seriously, and then I went to Syracuse University for it. It became he went to art schools like to high school. Yeah, I went to the Fame school music and amazing experience, but well they taught you was

really classical singing. And I always wanted to be R and B. So when I graduated, I met ron g h and so I started singing on his mixtapes and at that time I started hearing Yeah it was nobody was doing it. It was a smooth out the beginning of hip hop R and B. Yeah. Wow. So let me ask you something because I just um seen Trick Daddy, right, Trick Daddy is going viral because Rick Daddy said, Beyonce Cas sang all right, and it reminded me of something

I thought. I heard you say. I thought, yeah, we know. I'm so sorry. IM okay, So here's my things technically maybe Mary's not the most perfect singer. Who the fuck is my issue with Mary? Because everybody knows that I've had an issue, and I'm realizing now it probably shouldn't be Mary as much as it should be towards Diddy, because when Ron and I started this whole mix tape singing, that was how we got our deal with steps On Records.

The whole album was that singing on hip so people understand who don't know, singing on hip hop beats, right, which was the normal? The normal at the time. Mary's first album, you remember, was all like jazzy songs, a couple of dance songs, but it was remixed to sound like a mix tape. Diddy had gone to Ron and asked Ron to do my stuff for Mary. Ron said, know, because Jones's Miss Jones. It's my artist, and that's the

style I'm using for her. Did he went behind his back like they just recently started speaking again, Yeah, okay, yeah, yeah, So he took the whole style. And because you know, my label, steps Son, they didn't have a lot of money. They didn't have yeah, but really really under and so um uh, what's the whatever label? M C A whatever?

Was right. Yeah, a whole lot of lawsuits later. But so Uptown had the money, m c A had the money, and they already had proven success, so it's just like put it in the machine and let's just keep it. So they actually beat us to the punch, and so I always wound up looking like I was trying to

sound like her. But the people in the streets know, the people that are the mixtape heads know, and now that I'm back out like they're really really feeling away and they're like, you need to get your recognition and get flowers for that. Yeah, it didn't work out music. You flipped it and did it in radio, but that so was it in ther time like that, Um, you tried to get somebody for a feature and uh music and then they fronted on you. But then they had to come back and see your ass at the radio.

We're not playing not playing today. I'm excited to have you here, by the way, so you know, so to be here, has it ever been somebody who like you? You reached out, you said, yo, let me get it on the record. They didn't get on the record for whatever reason, and then they came back to the rail station and either needed a favor or how was that? Or how about someone I slept with and wanted a feature? And like, okay, okay, so I would have slept with him anyway, just to be clear. He wasn't like an

asshole like that stuff, you know. But but to his defense, I was never like considered a hot R and B artist, and at that time they wanted heat matches heat. So he would go get with john Nae into a song and I'm like, am I not want it hard enough? Like? What can I do it? When you would come so later on when I'm like rocking in radio, I was kind, but it wasn't just a bust of rhym just coming up to NORML. No, he's not. We'll get back and

let bust. You know, win Buster can come bust. You probably didn't know that I love himself, but yeah, that's the one that comes to mind the media because you did write about him in the book I did. I didn't hear about that, but okay, moving just didn't know. I told you that's like to take a shot. Shot on the shot and hold on, I got it's my dream. Okay, that's what that's I need to shot glass. No, I'm saying her bottle. I want to just Yeah, I'm gonna

I'm watermelon. I'm gonna do a watermelon. I'm gonna do a watermelon because I'm gonna start it on slow. But you know what I mean, Oh my god, this is this guy, this guy, this guy to get it. So another thing is not another thing? Is? I think The first time I ever heard Stephen A. Smith on the actual radio was actually show Yeah, rolling, first time I ever heard of him on the radio. It's like, she really I because I got a whole list, So how

is that to see? You know? First off, what did Stephen A. Smith get to do to get on the mix of jo Joan show? He was just amazing easy so so he was writing for the Philadelphia Paper and No. So you know, it's crazy. I automatic thought it was New York both from Queen's No, but he so it was when I got fired from Philly and came back

to Hot ninety seven. But I remembered him from writing on the Philly papers from when I was down in Philly, and he was always like an amazing writer and always had these great relationships like behind the scenes with so when we were looking for a co host, I didn't want to go normal co host comedian route. I wanted somebody that could bring a different and he's very opinionated. If you haven't known that, A so was Stephen at the time. Was he a sports commentator or he wasn't.

He was just a commentator period. I think he I don't know if he was a sports commentator, but I know he wasn't to the level of which he has become, you know what I mean. And so we brought him on. But it was great because he could talk about everything. He could talk about the music and he's from Queens and so he talks about life issues and it was great. But he always wanted that that sports thing was his thing, and Hot probably wasn't gonna pay him what he would

have wanted. And you know, he's the I believe he's the most paid sportscaster there is there is. Now did you ever see did you see that coming from the beginning? Well, ESPN's just ESPN or just ESPN? Okay, bad? I thought it was yeah, so did you see that coming? Did not? Because you know what I remember, I didn't because he's very humble and that he never got rid of that house in will Emboro. He always said, I'm never letting this go, this house go, because you just never know.

And I just thought that was like real, that's like, that's how we when we grow up, the way we grow up, you always hold an one to that. But also, um, he has a he has an incredible work ethic, So I'm not surprised and I'm happy for him. He and I interviewed Rick James the day before he died. Wow the shot hold on, hold on, okay, wait a minute, you and Stephen. I can't even picture this, by the way, because I'm picturing. I can't imagine who Stephen A was. I can only picture who I wake up every day

right now. So now p us to the side. It's you, Stephen. And obviously this is not zoom. This is not zoom. This is okay. And actually Rick j was he in the studio? Was he? I think he was on the phone from l A. Okay, okay, did go. But he was like before he died, either the day or two days or what I remember is the next day I was in a c and Stephen called me with the news and was like, we just interviewed this nigga. He did not sound like he, I mean, how do you sound?

But we were like and I said, you realize that forever moment for us, me and you, And he was like, it's a fun up moment, but you're right, that will go down in the books. So we might have even done Rick James's final interview, and I never went back to Ebro or High nighty seven and say is it our cod Life goes on, People move on, you know, people die every day. Yeah, to talk to James, Yeah, And it was just another day on the show for us,

And you just never know that's impactful. What was your at hot what was your first what was your favorite interview? When Nas and um when when Summer Jam, when jay Z did whatever he I can't remember because perfectly and Angie and Flex would not let well, I guess the station was told do not let Nas. Allegedly the station has said don't let nods come up there bashing Jack Well. The brmor was it was Mike Kaiser. Do you remember Mike Cousin? You have some good No, just that I

reached out for a sponsorship. I was promised one and I'm still waiting mine. Oh yeah, okay, all right, cool, let's get to this I can continue that Kaiser had a heavy hand and what that was the rumor. The rumor was that Nas is gonna come out and Mike Kaiser had people set up supposed to hang jay Z. He supposed to hang in the middle of the wall. I have no factual proof. Remember I said the rum with no they was gonna hang like like I looked

like like a dummy, a dummy of him. So the rumor has it was def jam White Kaiser was the corporate that's and was great. The rumor has it was he had people set up to pull the plug. So if of of if Nas was to be able to do that, that's the rumor. Did you hear that very moment. I don't know. I did hear the rumors the nursing. I don't know if that was even nas is play. But what I do know is that whatever transpired that night, Nas was insulted and no one would give him an outlet,

and he went to power. He might have, but he came to me, Okay, I'm always the black sheet. And so when Angie's like, no, I can't do that, and Flex is like, oh yeah, because he just he just Angie too. Okay, we'll continue. So that was my mote, I think for just off top. And this was in person. Okay, he came to let him come. He was the only one where he was the black sheet, used the black seat. He was basically bad. He went to another stage and said sucked him, you know what I mean, and because

he was frustrated and come on, that's QB. I'm a story. So so all right, so just just this is described this interview. So he's piste off. He didn't get a chance to perform at Summer Jack. He goes to this other stage and he says, whatever. But now this is his first time explaining himself to not only you, but to try State Area and New York. So what was his explanation why he didn't remember? I think at that

point we were he was. He wasn't shock, I wasn't shot, and I think his mind was just spinning about what his reaction should But you know, Nas is very very I don't want to say, calculating, but he's a thinker. He's not a reactive person. And as as as it might seem like he's just reacting, he's always got the next three steps ahead. So he's talking, but he's still keeping it the best chess player and so no one knew that Ether was coming. No one knew were you

were you at having seven? When did you have battle of beats between and takeover? I was you were I was? Can you describe that? I mean the suck sides. Everybody was clearly made made his choice, and he was on our side. He was on because k is my people like me and Kay, Like when I used to not show up for my Sunday night show, I would call him to feel in. So I feel like me and

him we saw things alike. I mean no disrespect to anybody at the station because I love and the door Flex and Angie Flex started me in radio so to speak. Um produced one of those mixtapes on my very first album that was never released. So I have loved but they had their loyalty and rightly so you know, I don't know what their relationship with Jay was, but clearly it was solid and you know, accounted for. And I

have mine for Nas because Nas. Had it not been for Nas talking to me, I wouldn't have done this sugar Hill. Yeah, not to mention, we used to hang like, we used to go out there and just be on the benches, you know what I mean when he was in town. But even after that, when he became huge, he never acted huge to me. He always like coming in drones. What you're doing? Wow, this is this is great? Right? Yeah, it's a lot. I don't even really because you don't

realize that it's history because you're just right. Yeah, and let's not let it fly over people's head. You're talking about Azy Sugar classic record. Yeah, thank you, that's classic, the biggest record of my career. So um, all right, so you would do this interview after this? Now, how is your your co workers? Because how did it? They saw? Let's be clear because nas is not just a regular interview like he is. It was and that's this time it's him a jack, So is how is it coming

to work the next day? Co workers saying MS Jones, you ain't loyal the always. Everyone knows, I'm crazy. Everybody knows. When Wendy and Angie had the fight, I picked Wendy side. They really literally had to fight fish fight. Really he but I can't pinch this win machine that used to be outside the room. Yeah, it was right over there before the bathroom. Yeah, to the point I was all I was forced to take a side from the moment I got in that building, and at that time it

sounds like some high school ship. No I mean by that time, let me just tell you something, um and god bless because I wanted to sound crazy, but um, we actually needed power on because it was like, how did they seven had I don't want to say too much proper because they were It wasn't how did they say it probably wouldn't be no me. So what I'm trying to say is, but it wasn't no balance. But what I mean is if I did something wrong or something, I would just be bad and that was it. It

wouldn't have nothing like. So did you think at one point that like the station was just too powerful? Because it's really it was really the truth. At one point it flects didn't play your record, you were dead included you had a chance. Maybe Clue would Clue maybe, but Clue only had the money like mixtape, it was only one day a week. So what do you think that it was too much power at that time? Absolutely, how they play my ship, but the rules of the rules you need to get out of lay down and so

not for nothing. When power of power one O five started three weeks prior, or, like a month prior. I had just gotten fired off A Starring Buck Wild. So I was excited at the prospect of a Power one on five. And I was in conversation with my former boss from Hot who started Power, Steve Smith, and and we were in conversation about me coming across the street and shocking New York with yeah, she's fired from the Starring Buck but now she's doing this over here. But

I had a noncompete contract. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, so I can't work in New York because it's too close to Hot ninety seven. Power was too close, and and so they threatened to sue they were they were looking. Hot ninety seven was looking because they didn't like when Power came into the market. They didn't know. Yeah, I think there was even something about, uh not stolen, but a hijack U r L. I think I think. Please don't if I'm wrong. I think we might have gotten

the power Power one on five dot com. You are around, I believe you remember, so yeah yeah, yeah, so okay, yeah, yeah, okay, wow, yeah, this is this is this guy weird, this guy real? Okay, all right, So I no, no, no, no, okay, So why'd you get fired from Starting Buck? That's that's my question. Yeah, let's get shot too. Come on, let's go, let's go,

let's go, let's go. Okay, yeah, because this is all right, let's just be clear to people who don't know, Starring Buck Wild was the wildest show at the time, wild wildest. They were doing ship They did Alia Skip. We asked about that. You ain't having to do with the La Ski, right. I. I was there in the room, and that was the beginning of my firing. But I didn't. I mean, I kind of knew I had to pick a side. Right, Let's take a shot and then we're gonna talk about that. Okay, Bottle.

So what he was saying, Okay, song Buck, how did you get fired from Starbuck? Because that was that heavy poor that's the Dominican pot. So Starring Buck were writing for Source I think okay, yeah, no, wait, it was one of them. It was some magazine. They were writers, and then they submitted their stuff to Tracy, who was the UM program director at the time, just to see, you know, if she might be interested in that type

of material. Tracy Clarity, right, Basic Clareny. She was the Boys and so ed Lover and Dr Dre the biggest probably morning show, well until Starring Buck came, but at that time they were the biggest. They had just left and they were constantly hid was trying to find a replacement. There were a lot of shows in between, so before Starring they went to l A or some ship and they got like a two million, but then it didn't last. Okay,

So I was on I was school. It was me and fat Man School first, right, and then Tracy said in one of our meetings, I have this this group of writers, this team of writers, and they want to write for your thing. That's how they came in this right now, I know the play because I'm from Queens. I didn't know that. I still don't like, Yeah, sure you want to be a writer, you want to get in here, but I have no power, Like I'm just happy to have a job. So they're writing for us.

The material that he wrote probably was great material for him, but it didn't work for me. In fat Man School, you know, put your hands up, we're happy. We're like who specifically fat Man people? Well, well it was really stared, really like a slip star. Yeah, I'm gonna throw my shoe at you. I killed that, I kill if I just killed that. So Star was writing material for Fat Man Scoop and I that was not on brands, That's

what I'll call it, not on brands. But he was still you know, he was developing his relationship with Tracy all the while me and School for just trying to find our way and maintain something. But we kind of sense that they weren't investing in us because they never made the title of the show Fat Maian Scoop and Miss Jones or the shows about the school. It was

a hot night seven morning show. These are things that people need to pay attention to when they're working, and they're trying to make pay attention to labeling brands if you can pay attention to Like Joe butten, he started his podcast, it was named named his podcast later and now his podcast called the Joe Bloody Podcast. You could have seen he was, He's going all all, all all the views and the acclaim that he named it. But

so we knew they weren't invested in us. So one day Tracy calls me in her office after the show went off, me and Fat Maian School and she's like, close my door. Alright, so we're making a change, staring buck Wild. They're gonna be taking over the morning show, and I want you to be there with them. And

I'm like, what about Scoop? She goes, Scoops going to either overnight or mid days, but he doesn't know, and if you tell him, you're fired, And she's like, you have to think about yourself, Jonesy, which in hindsight now being grown and being stung and trying to play good and still getting sucked over. She was right. I did need to look out for myself and not tell Scoop to play. So literally, just me, just stop you right there. Did you tell Scoop to play? I did not tell Scoop.

I'm sorry I never came up. But but but to the point, Scoop knew my story and that as soon as I came home from college, my mom died like two weeks later. My dad died freshman year, so I had nothing. I was literally in those streets all the years that y'all heard me singing or mix tapes and doing radio filling in fighting for my life. So I think school understood. You know, I didn't have a backup plan. I had to do what I had to do, really, or I could have been in the streets for real

or drug dealer's girlfriend. Sometimes I wonder it might not have been such a bad thing too, so I didn't tell school. Next week. It's like, um, this whole big takeover of publicity starring Buck Wild, Okay, let me ask you something to do. What's starring at other stations prior to that? No, they was this is their first gig. They took over the morning they did, and with the help of the Hot ninety seven engine. But what was

It had to be one episode that stood out? What was the episode that stood up that that made them say let's give them the job? No, there was no episode. Itship she built right, you know how if you if I get if I get into you and you feel me as a person and you know I'm talented, the rest is just not a sign of paperwork. We'll figure the rest of the ship out, and why not give a chance, you know what I mean? And I think

Tracy wanted to take Hot ninety seven maybe climax. She knew she needed to do something different to get the white boy listeners. No disrespect, love our white boys. But she wanted to hit Z one hundred people because Night seven, even though it was a pop station or chirman as I call it, it was really hip hop in the hood. The only way to be taken seriously and crap through was to get some of those good listeners. And that is what starring Buck Wilde were able to do. And

I say, now, I was the feature in MS. Jones. I did my little straight man stuff, but it was his content and his perspective on the content, his spin on it. So let me, Actually, you said you didn't have anything to do with the Liyah thing, but what how was that atmosphere like what we described all? Jay Z says a part of it in his round. He says, stars mag I won't grant him an interview, but he did do so I did something something, um so any of you remix with Aaliyah And what happened was Starbuck

while Elia did a car crash. She died in a plane crash, and then you know that Rocks. None of us had ever died like that was like the first Yeah, that was really the first peers, you know what I mean. It was tragic and of a sudden and shot let's but basically, um, star and did a skin. It was more the writer, the writer in the room mentally comedy, I'm assuming the writer in the this is this is the definition of too soon. You know how many people say to this is how the definition got invented. Was

everyone was like, you know, forget it. Even comedians like comedy. Back then, I didn't believe into Yeah, well, I don't tell he doesn't believe me. Too soon. Still to this day, they'll they'll make a joke about another comedian while he's going through it, like you know, Kevin Harderson great example of that. He was going through it with his wife, and a lot of the comedians still still gave it to him. You know, then you have so because you

have to stay true to what it is. So I think that was that was the meaning that too soon for me? And so they were. I kept seeing them running in and out. We watched you watch this drink Chance look Ahead. There was a lot of going in and out of the studio that morning, and I knew they were up to something. BA hasn't Dame Das called up That was later. That was later this morning when

the song was about to be playing. There was a lot of in and out of the studio starting to go out the studio that much like that, he stayed in. He used to always stay there and Reese, who was of our writers at the time, he would come in with whatever he had. This morning, there was the both of them, So I knew something was coming, but I didn't know. But I'm not stupid, so I figured what it would be. You don't even understand what they're about to play. You have no idea at And how soon

was it though? This was the next day. I think this was Monday, something like that, like she passed on Monday, going in and out, and I'm knowing, I'm sensing, and then I hear a little bit of and I'm like, don't do it. I told Star, don't do this is what he says. MS. Jones knew. I knew you was up to something involving that, but I know the lengths that you was gonna go nigger because you wouldn't know. I can't be a part of that. Even if I wanted to ride with you, I can't. I can't do it.

So the next it was like we're halfway through the show, maybe close to the end. They play the sound effects of a car crashing and a female voice screaming like as if it's a shrill. It's like a shrill of someone perishing by fire, Like do you want like, yeah, no, that's the plane. But then did you hear that the voice? It was like a don't remember? Okay, and so um and so you're thinking real quick in the moment, and the MIC's are on, what do I do? What do I?

There's like so I said, I separated myself from the situation. I did, and so I didn't appreciate it, and the phones got turned out, and I walked off the show and Tracy came in. I don't think she knew quite the impact of what was going to happen or what was happening. But within thirty minutes, I think like sev of the Hot ninety seven advertisers had called and pulled out.

She's on one phone and Judy is on another phone, and they're trying to stop the bleeding, and and and and so Tracy called me in her office at some point and like broke me down, and I was like, you know, I don't care what happens. You don't leave your co host and you don't walk off the show. I'm crying. Thank you for anticipating um so um so. It was like mixed emotions because first she was telling me you're fucked up basically, not those exact words, for

leaving Stars and letting him take all the heat. But I'm like, bit, I didn't even think that. That wasn't my that wasn't one of my skates. But I got it. And so again here's Shawnzy going against the grain of hot ninety seven. Three hours later, after I'm home, she calls and goes, I'm suspending Star. The people want you. I need you to fill in and like, help clean

this up, make this go away. Let me Actually, that's another example of actually, now when you come in that day, when you fill in, do you apologize on his behalf? I did not. They did not want me to read to even talk about. Right, was this the stupidest thing everyone's mind. Everybody's waiting and having the person to get to the moon. They want to see, what the hell your first words is exactly? But we're trained puppies that

whenever catastrophe happened tsunami, you're told to not listen. Now tsami after that, big up dj N because dj MB had to let the people know that that Jonesy was not in the building. It was not. This is two controversy situations. There's a lot listen to and there's something that you don't even know that fool kings in the building,

go do it um. And so at that point I come in and I start doing the show, and I'm trying to, you know, just do the show, and I can't talk about anything because they're trying to work out getting the advertisers back and stuff. Two airplanes decide to fly into twins towers. Now the pressure is intent to night seven. Don't know what to do about start They don't know where the direction that they need to take to stop the bleeding and make this go away. The

two planes took that ship away because when eleven happened. Sorry, Leah, this is the leading story. Yeah, it's like erased everything. It's like start off. So be it not for I don't even know, like be it not for nine eleven? Start might there might have been a different outcome right now, still not be so Startom had nothing to do with that. Oh no, that was all It's not me, but it was my it was my on my watch. Yeah, that was years later, and and and and so here's the thing. Yeah,

nine eleven happened. We we we everybody, the America shifts gears. The focus is no longer, no longer racist, right exactly, although they've forgotten about this gorgeous, smart, intelligent black girl that died in a plane crash that just got tossed away. Now we're all one, come out and help, you know. And so you know when that happened, Start got an opportunity to be responsible and do the right thing. He got,

he got like a second chance. But here's what's funny about that, because didn't jay Z drop an album on nine eleven as well? Did he? Yeah? Yeah, on that on that one album was it Blueprint on that day of nine eleven, So you would think it would like even it out offset, Yeah, off set it to a little I'm asking, I'm just I wasn't even a wall.

Anything's gonna offset nine eleven. Offset, you know, like the bounce of of of Aaliyah's disrespect because once again it was disrespectful to a dead person like that album had to already be in the right. You have two years. You couldn't go back in a change the line, PolyGram or Polly Door or whoever, it is, that's printing. So that was that honestly, was just probably the stars lining up. So let me bouncing around. Did Jay and Dame ever

take that person with you when the lah? Never? I mean so they were my after that, they were my champions. They're like Dame showed up to my birthday party? Are line? Yeah, I was on the good side and he they've they've always they put me in their movies. That of a Dynasty for Soldiers, thank you st right, Yeah, we're Kevin Hart before Kevin Hart was like really really so you know? And so I didn't Sometimes should be happening so fast, you don't know the right thing to And I just

did what I knew. I couldn't be a part of I knew what that outcome would look like if I had stayed in that chair. So I bounced. I abandoned things. I have abandonment issues, so I leave when I don't. Let's give on another shot. Didn't want to about when do you win to try to kill you? Okay, you gotta finish it, so now you can keep playing. You're saying something. I have some friends from um, you know

Queen's flip. Yes that I work with that came down here, but I want to shout out absolutely, yeah, no problem good. This is DJ G Money. He does the Queen's flip me on his back to bring me back this whole time. Come on five, we're gonna bring you in at the end, but we're gonna give us, give us five now, come on, come on, come on one bro. Yeah, man down here, this family his family. I just have to show some part family. Yeah, you're gonna bring you in that there. Yeah, yeah,

that's like. I like this. I like this. I'm like, what were you talking about, tsunamy. You want to know what you're talking about? So I heard something about this and that's when you we're gonna talk about when you win trying to get a killer. Okay, So there's another parody song situation. Yes, what's with morning shows and parody songs. It's a big deal and radio sometimes they've been doing that right right, So remember now we're trying to get that Z one hundred. So that's what it is, trying

to compete with that and get that audience. So she still do these songs parodies to these days if you look at right. But I mean we're talking about like stuff just like you know everyone is pleasing to her wreck right now. Everybody don't want to fit nobody right now. It's called flip in a minute, you know, right, So go back to Ratchet, your mother, your father, kids, and going back to Tai. What happens to described to people, this was like the world's worst tsunami that at least

we picked you mad. People died, people died. So this song comes out, and what is the song? Do you remember how the song? At this point, so Starr had fired me, I'm in Philly. I'm doing great in Philly. Big shout out to Philly health. When you shall Star fired you now Star? No, no, no, it was Star okay, So after you do know it was the least it was so so after that he rebounded. Ratings went back up after not allowed how much time is this now? What?

I don't know what year the leads it was. It was close enough that you knew he was still salty about me abandoning him on the show. So he knew when he came back he was gonna fire you evention probably And then when he fired before he fired me, Tracy had already come to me with a new contract. We had already agreed to on the amount. I was good, but under that show or yeah under that show, No, under that show. And she knew I had just bought a new apartment. I had just gotten. I bought a

new apartment on one sixteenth at Lennox. That apartment building it called I think it's a Renaissance, no the whatever it is just on the Corta Lenox and won sixth team. I had just gotten it, and I was so excited.

She knew this ain't the time to be firing a nigga, but Star I renegotiated and maybe part of the new terms where that he got to decide who would be on his show, because going in, she put me on the show because she knew starring buck Wild needed someone familiar, that had been there, someone that could actually read and articulate and has a relationship with artists. Those the background of the artist starring buck Wild were anti artists. For

those of you that don't know, they didn't know. They might have known a lot, but the artist didn't necessarily funk with that. The good thing about Jonesie is that everybody loves Jonesie to make some molay to that. So I was there. I served the purpose after that Aliat thing. My purpose didn't much matter because he rebounded and then renegotiated with him, and then she said started on once, you wouldn't show anymore. I said, you're my boys. I'm

not working for Star. She's like, yeah, well, but meet with him, talk to him, you know, just make him think. Do whatever you have to do. It is what she said, do whatever you have to do to remain a part of that show. I was in Atlantic City the next weekend. I came home early. Me and my girlfriend Shire recent changing faces. Do you mind if I stroke you are so we're not in Atlantic say, I'm like, bitch, we gotta go home because I gotta kiss up the Star.

I pulled up to his building. He comes out. He's like, yeah, it's not me, it's the other guys on the show. They don't think that you're loyal. They don't want you around. Yeah. So basically, he doesn't give me my job back, and I'm like jobless with this new apartment and arleum, and I don't know what I'm going to do. Wendy gets worried. Everyone got worried. The Stop is gonna fire me Before I did, Wendy calls now at that point, Kevin her husband or her ex husband now it was called the Shots.

He did not want me and Wendy to remain friends because he always thought I was a threat. So she's whispering on the phone, Jumps, I know you just got let go, and I know you need a job. Call this person and that person in Philly. Tell them that Wendy told you to call. And I wound up. Yeah, so that's why I say, despite them trying to have me murdered, I can't be but so mad because but so that's what before. So Leanna get back to the mid Okay to the murder A lot of ship because

songs like murder, I said, soul. It was like what a lot of people are experienced right now. There's an a hate bill that went around and so Tracey. So so it's kind of out of order. So Wendy did that. I went to Philly. I'm in Philly. Rocket Star is calling my phone, harassing me on my voicemail. Yeah, you think you're doing something down in Philly, but I'm about to come for you. They're about to have me syndicated in Philly, and I'm gonna take you down. He's on

my voice boil saying these things. Yeah, that's how people was back and a basic yourself to jail back then. So eventually I do wind up coming back to New York. And when I come back to New York, Tracy again, she's hired. Do you remember Opi and Anthony. She hired their producer, Rick Delgado. So if you know Opie and Anthony, you know that star Buck wall ain't got shipped on the antics that those two they had, for example, a couple having sex, and I think it was the same

somebody who yeah, one of the cathedrals. I don't even know the name of the continue, but yeah, he's so bad, and so she hired so bad and so he was. Now my come back to New York, Jones is coming back. I've never met this man. She hired him to be my producer. Now, I am nine months pregnant with Jalen. Big shout out to Jaylen my son. Okay, okay, And I'm pregnant and so I'm grateful to have a job. And um so I'm home because I had just had him.

In December, tsunami happened, if we call a tsunami. Sorry me, Envy and those of and like January February, I was home nursing him. But what Hot nineties seven did to accommodate me at that time because they wanted me really bad to come back because now starts across the street at Power one on five and what's it called the MS Jones Show or Jones Spirit? It was called MS

Jones Miss Jones in the Morning. Yeah, So when I told them that I needed, I'll do your show, but I can't be coming all the way like come on. Like they set up what was now Zoom ten years ahead of time. They paid like ten tho dollars a month for me to have a TV at home where I could nurse Jalen and I could see DJ Envy Miss Info. Yeah, this is before the technology was even

like accessible to people. And so Rick Delgado came up with this tsunami song thing, and so he's like through the TV, he's telling me, I came up with this idea. I'm gonna play it whatever whatever. He plays it. And this is sad to say, how asleep at the wheel people be, but he played it in the six o'clock hour six o'clock make doesn't really give a fuck because they're either getting off work or still sleepy and getting

to work ahead. And so Dr Jeff, who you know from Love and Hip Hop, but he was on my show first. He came in at eight o'clock. Yeah, he came in at eight o'clock every whatever morning that was. And we're talking about the tsunami song because this info was like she was like, I shouldn't have done that. I'm telling y'all. She really was the adult in the room. And so we're like, alright, but whatever, and I'm not there. I'm seeing through a TV and I'm like, the show

gotta keep going. They did it, but we gotta keep going. Dr Jeff comes in and goes, what are y'all talking about? Can I hear the song? We played the song in the eight o'clock hour, which we find out later on is the most listen to hour, So him asking, what are you talking about? Let me hear it is? This is on the air. Oh yeah, so Rick plays that motherfucker. And when I tell you they come to salespeople come running. I'm watching through the TV and I'm saying, I'm like,

what's going on? And I'm home but I'm still present. It's like, I know it's going down like it was different because I couldn't be there physically to manage it. I'm home now, I'm a mom, I'm soft and pink. I'm not with the ships. But I got with a real quick because the boss then was Barry Mayo. Tracy is now gone, Barry Mayo brought me back. He drives from New York all the way to will and borrow big shout out to your partner, Capone, Yeah, exactly, hang out a little and he says, we got a problem.

So I'm like, what's going on? He's like, the world is mad and they want your head on the platter. And I'm like, why my head? Well, you played the song, bitch, I'm here. How am I playing the song? So what the play was? I believe he was in trouble because now he is cooperate. Who approved that he's the he's

the GM okay okay, right? And and earlier that morning came out later on big shout out to DJ Envy and research that he came into the studio after it was played and was like, y'all, it's sick motherfucker's but that was funny as how Allegedly, but Tsunami didn't go away. It didn't go over well and it did not go away. And so that was the a community at first, or this was just anybody who was just at first it

was everybody. Everybody was it was too sensitive, it was very it was wildly offensive, it was distasteful, it was shameful, and it was just not where we needed to be. There was no need, like there's a ship we could have found that was funny. But again you're dealing with Opi and Anthony's producer. This is what they do, said Anthony opening Anthony's producer Rick Delgado, op Opie Opie Opie and Anthony's producer, Rick Delgado. This is right up the

lane of the ship that they that they did. So he knew he was hired to get with the ships. So now everyone's blaming me because now the phones are ringing of the average McDonald said, by and now I'm going to power. See before they didn't have another station to go to when Aaliyah happened. Power wasn't it wasn't even invent uh what's the word, right, It wasn't created then. So it's like, al right, take your money, by bitch, where you're gonna put it now? There's another street and

guess what, they're open. They're willing to give you right and they just ate that ship up and stars on the radio going, oh, those tsunami and sensitive bastards down the block, bring your money here. Your money is good with us. Will never insult your community. He was not apartment No, he was at power then. So he's highlighting it. He's like, remember remember what they said about you guys.

Like he's just twisting, twisting, twisting it. And so now corporate at Hot on the seven has to make a decision. Now I'm newly back. I just came back like three months prior. And so they sent the lawyer. This is what happens, boys and girls, when when you've gone too far at your job. They got the white boys, the lawyers. They came in overnight and they met secretly with everybody on my show individually by themselves to get the story of what the funk happened. So me, this info is

piste off. Like no one's talking to her because we're like, oh, fuck you, you're probably the one that told the agents to come and boycott us, envy and research her name, miss Tag. But she was like, I call her research because he was like, our full research department, um are being interviewed. And the story was that miss Jones sung on the song and because it's her show, she's responsible for this. So when the lawyers spoke to Envy and and Research, they said, so they're asking the questions and

they're like, yeah, Rick did the song. They're like, well, who's singing on the song because it says Rashwan this DJ Envy Tasha and we know that's miss Jones and Rick made him do it. We know this all right, but maybe he didn't. We didn't. Maybe he didn't, but but were voices from that show on that song. So when he said and the Jones, you know, she was singing too, and he was like, Envy and Research were like, the Jones she hasn't been here since November and they're like,

wait a minute, what how has she not? We hear her every day. So and he's like, we have the system where she logs on the morning and she pops up on the TV screen. They would have fucking fired the pregnant in research. She did too, because she confirmed it. So the lawyers are now like, this ain't what Barry Mayo told us. Allegedly so I'm thinking and the people that love me are thinking that Barry Mayo, who was the GM, was trying to sacrifice me for his letting.

That whole thing happened, and once I'm fired, he saved. No one asked, right, and then you know, they don't let you talk about it again. It's right. So I knew that what was about to happen, and well, Jalen's dad at the time told me he saw the play. My sister is a real big producer in daytime television. She has like five Emmy Awards and like five hundred nominations. She produces The View. Before that, she produced Nancy Grace and Johnny Cocker. She saw my name on the news

because America knew about the tsunami song. It was bigger than New York, it was bigger than Nino Brown. It was international news and everybody hated the Stones because that's what they were being given as responsible for the tsunami song. And no, no, no, just tsunami. My sister called Nancy Grace because she's like, I know TV, I know how narratives are painted if there's no one countering that, and Hot ninety seven is not defended. My sister Nancy Grace said,

tell her to call Mel Sacks. He's the best attorney. I hope she has the money, but he's the only one that can fix her. At that time, little Kim was in a little trouble and her attorney was Mel Sacks. I called Mel Sacks. He had already known. Really he's deceased since then. He's like, come to my office. I need fifty grand and I will fix this. We get the fifty grand. We go to his office. Kim's coming

out of the elevator. I'm going in and he goes, oh, miss Jones and miss Jones because her real name is Kimbla Jones. I tell him what happened. He's like, I already know, I'm gonna I can fix this, and um, I just need your your money, and um, he said, you know what's gonna happen. First of all, no one's gonna want to be on the on the hook for firing a black pregnant woman. But when they find out that you weren't even on the song, so we had to tell them that the Tasha that was on the

song singing wasn't me. Researched his first name, Miss Tasha I'm Tarsha, She's Tasha. She was the one that was singing, but she was singing it because Rick del Gotto told her Rick hadn't stepped up. Rick cut has put all this ship and smashed and then I was trying to keep his job and I get it, but we all went through hell. So I think at that point, me is a white man, me Vy and and and and Tay and because she's on my reunion show, we bonded based on Nicholas was about to like cancel us for real,

for real. And the Asians they don't stop, like when they're passionate and they feel like you sucked them around, they don't stop. They don't stop, they don't stop. They don't stop. So the lawyers, my lawyer Mel talked to John lou who was then like the Asian communities person, he's the one that gears the mom and told that him she's not the one hating and the seven realizes that she's not the one, and they're willing to bring

her back. But we know once they bring her back, you were gonna have your people boycott, and at that point they're gonna have to let her go. John Luis said, I know it wasn't you. Alleged All this ship is alleged, but it's true. I know it wasn't you. I appreciate you even meeting with me. And if you go back to work, you don't have to worry. You don't have to work. We ain't gonna So I went back. It was a Thursday. It was a very or Friday. It was a very calculated move to have me come back

on a Friday. For those of you that don't know, Friday news cycle gets tossed in the garbage because who reads a newspaper Friday on Saturday? So if something happens on Friday, you won't your ways a strip club or the car wash, at least getting the haircut. You ain't reading the paper. So I got on air Friday. I apologize in the early hour because you know, niggas ain't listening at six o'clock hour. But it's tuna a thing. And then when people started tuning in and hearing me back,

of course we got some phone calls. Oh, but the Asians didn't do their thing, and I was able to live to see another day. And you all got into it because we did, because I felt like I felt it was just so hypocritical of me. Excuse me the same thing? What the fucking I so you got mad at her? I was, I'm so bitch. That was so bad info. I'm sorry. I apologize. That's that's that's This is a part of our show is called quick Time

with Slime. We're just gonna actually quick question and you you can pick one or the other, but if you pick both, you gotta take a shot. It's it's okay, it's it's okay, it's okay. Are you ready? What's the loss? Alright, there's no losing. There's no losing losing, Okay. I don't know where you go with this one. I think I know you go with this one. No, I was on jay Z Okay, that was a dope. I don't know this one. She was quicker than quick Time. I don't know this one. Carty or Nicky? Oh I did? I

wasn't really. I know you're gonna go with this one. Mary Jay or Tony Braxton or Tony Braxton, Mary j or b Mary h very all right. Nineties hip hop or two thousand nineties damn pretty pretty dispersal. Yeah, yeah, nineties alright, Drake Champs or Joe Button Podcast, Drink Check Money. I can't lie this one, Flex or DJ Clue. Okay, So here's the thing. There's a lot of ship in the play right now with my career, and Flex is very powerful. The clue is like envies boy boy and

envy kind of cobo. Let's go to we's the bottom league. You know that's not a bad both, that's bad. They both stood yeah, thank you, Right, they're differently, just so you know, I would have went both. Yeah, yeah, yeah, come on, I love both. All right, Hello, where were at? All right? All right, this one? I think it's fairly easy. Podcast on radio? Podcast? Alight? What you thought I was gonna say radio? It definitely did. So here's the thing. Radio gives a lot more money, faster, but they bind

you up like your runaway Slane. Right, what you're doing on podcast? On it and you can be who you are facts and how you want to do it and how you want to execute it. Okay, I think you're taking a shot for the next couple of ones. All right, til next on tupop. Okay, all right, I didn't I didn't expect that. Yeah, you know, Boxy or a little kid. I don't think neither one of them funk with me, So can I say neither? I still gotta take a shot.

And I don't want to get it to that you have I feel didn't even by the story you hold on by the way. By the way, this is the first neither we've ever had. Yeah, that's the first neither. No, really, I'm not gonna I'm thinking I'm taking the extra shot just because I only said I've never heard the one to say neither. Yeah, that's the first neither. And I have reason. It's just not someone we don't get into the reason. I'm not just like this. So I lose

with neither. I've never heard neither with me. So okay, this is I think it's fairly easy. But I could be fooled. New Yorker Philly, who come poor. I respect that because because of course I'm a New Yorker to the core. Yes, I love the fact that I'm a queen's girl. It's just something special about mother. I'm so proud to be a queen's girl. But when New York let me like like you let me have a threesome, and I liked it, Okay, Sattle Filly gave me so

much love I'm like, what's her name on the shot? Okay, yeah, you're watching you watch all right? This one. I don't. I'm over the air, Queen O t for and you like like U or Jail Scott Jelly from Philly. I respect that, Eva, Missy to you do know you already sapped you, Sorr. I need to just listen. I'm not gonna lie. I need to get into neither because I've never had to be, never had this. I respect that. Okay, all right, all right, I like where you're going with you?

All right? Cool? So there a couple of left, Okay, Kanye for real beautiful, I'm definitely in the air with this one. Puff or dre mm hmm huff because even though you want to know why, because even though he drapped my whole ship made me have to work a lot harder, I had to work a lot harder and reinvent myself in radio. They'll become a success at the end of that success. Did he did a reality show

with me for free? And that look? Even though the show didn't happen, that look created another look for me. So I feel like, did he gave me reparations? That's that's fine, that's fine, it makes it more any reason, not Drake reasoning. I just Dre was never very like warm like Diddy's personality was always like come on Jones, come on Joseph. How much he would call up and be like really with me like that very petty, He's very petty. The petty is real love. I'm here for

the petty right? Oh? How did he seven? A power hot on seven? I would spect your maturity? I see like, I think it'll still be petty petty van Taro, but no, no, no, no, I'm petty white because petty white, you're not petty petty, petty petty. I could be petty patty, and I could be all those things. But here's what you don't realize. Okay, Howard one oh five is clear channel that fired me in Philly, so fuck you, oh my bad on that one.

And then you fired me because allegedly I said some things about some woman's daycare that cost her her business. And then we find out years later that she lied and went to prison, and you never cleared my name. So I'm not fond of you because you never know it might be an opportunity over there night seven. Okay, this is the last one loyalty or respect loyalty, because respect can be premised by if someone's loyalty, they're gonna respect you. It don't matter, right, it don't matter what

it is. It's it's I'm down for what. I'm down for you because I'm down for you. I'm not respecting you because you've done this. So I respect you because you've not done that. I'm loyal whether you're a ship back or whether you're a rock star. That's respect. So now you're you're hold on, hold up, hold up. She has a two part story, Oh you want to go really small me and mony love. I want look a moody love. She had beef with Pock a little bit not that night. Okay, okay, tell me this good might

saying too much. Let's tell the story. She gave me some and I'm a brother just like your brother. Let's go. Let's let me set on the drink chair. And so you know, they just don't answer my calls when they know I'm like with people, and it's like I will never because you're always having me on the mic. So you text me, I hear what it is and I call you that. Okay, but let's get into this Tupox story, what happened? It was just so so so. It was

the Biggie Platinum party. Remember Biggie had gone. Classic legend. Tupac was a Biggist platinum party. Whoa, whoa. You start out with, Yeah, okay, everybody was there. You were told the invitation came to your record label. You were told black time. This is the first time that niggas was not allowed to have the Baggie can I we had Feathers was sequence and this is like niggas just like, well, we're going Hollywood. This is black Hollywood. That was black Hollywood.

This is social media being created, right, and you got nigga media a little bit into my mind. Yeah, I think I kind of did. I'll take credit for a part of it at least because you would hear something myself. He was like the first Twitter, first Facebook was like the first DM, like hitting you on the private nils the d M right by the fault. I didn't want to be that, but niggas had that one line number, like you know, I didn't suck that bench kick out

out the studio. But so pop came and it was kind of like and Pemony were friends at that time. So we went to the party together and everybody. Everybody was at that party. You I'm sure you were at that party, Kaye. But I heard about the party. Definitely got a new exactly she's talking about. This was in jail. I'm sorry, it's okay. One morning, so Pop came and we're in the crow. We're walking and it's like the

music stops. Everyone else he was in music, but I'm with money, and he stopped and he looks at us, and then so like we just we know what the look means and we figure it out. It was a good name, that was it. Jalen. I'm sorry, I forget that he's in here, but so has some relations. Three of us talking about three three of us just talked for a long time. Hoys, just going on. They was reading books. Man, No, I'm not I'm not not beautiful. Yeah,

one topic, one time. Okay, that's a beautiful thing. Okay, let's move in on. So, Whendy, when you're trying to murder you, where was you at when you got the news? You're sitting around You're getting two ways because I imagine news on the murder. Yeah you got the news because no, yeah, so so I'm in a room. Okay, let's just be clear. Is this after Pocket Big died? That I know where

we're talking about it? Like it is in such a slight situation right now, right, but let's just be clear, after Pocket Big die, this is a very serious thing to even have this implication, right, So I'm just asking you because niggers are following through on threats. I mean, Pocket Biggest ambles up that the stress is being correct delivered. So you're away and you're thinking it's a joke. What do you? What do you? What is your first thoughts

when they said yo turning the TV? Sister? I think if someone called you and they said, YO, should read some change your faith? My bestie she calls, and I'm like, who's calling? Because everyone we gotta break out our Kelly too? By anyway, um so wait what go back to that conversations along conversation, So the phone is ringing, but when people know you on vacation, they're not calling. The phone keeps ringing and ringing and ringers. I'm like, did somebody die?

I pick up the phone. She goes, bitch, are you all right? And I'm like, what happened? That motherfucker? Windy. They're trying to put a head out on you, bitch. So she goes turn on the news. So I'm in a roo but with my new husband, and I see a split screen that reminds me of the tsunami and it's my face, but now it's Wendy's face and it says rival DJ puts plots murder, hit on competition, like she was just helping you prior, prior to Biggie and

pox um, you know, untimely death death. I would have took it as a joke after Biggie and pox Death. I don't think this should be taken lightly. So but tell me how you're taking it. So I'm because I'm out of the country and I don't know rub I didn't know our floors beautiful asked places. But it's not makes you wanted to be threatened that like, don't be threatening the rubles An America couldn't go down in the rumor. You need to go visit the rue. She gotastic and

it's over. We do because I can't get the pulse of if the ship is real and not. And my husband he's like at the time, my husband, he's all he's always laid back and Cooley's I'll take care of it when we get back, don't worthy we are, We're good. So we get back. But the whole rest of the vacation, I'm like, is this real? Is it's real? And come to find out, it's real. So envy once again. Envy to the rescue dudes in karate class. We respect you karate class and my mom and I don't know, I

just feel like he's gonna garate class. It's okay, him and Joe Biden together, light skinned people get together like this. I'm sorry, No, it's okay. My memory serves me well. And be cold when I got back, or we're on the show together and he goes, by the way, it after this all morning mixed by the way, Jones, Kevin said,

don't believe that bullshit, y'all. Good. No, you don't get to say don't believe that bullshit when Lisa Evers just did a full full thing works by the way, by the way, reporting on it and said, I have a thirty page document that if you google it it still comes up. Yeah, this is not this is not funny. I know we laughed about a little bit, but I

don't think this is funny, did you get to the bottom. No, I didn't because you about it because at that at that time, so this is when the downward spiral of the Miss Jones enterprise began. So, my, my, this is relationship with NY seven is coming to an end, which is fine because I was only supposed to be there three or four years, but they asked me to stay an extra year because they needed to get Big Boy.

He wound up taking over Big Boys. My friend, as we New York Radio at that time, when we listened to Big Boy giving traffic about last sea we did, we did not like California California traffic. I'm sorry, and I street a big Boy. Look. I would literally show you the pages right now, literally speaking right now. But when he took over and he was giving it, he took old. He was giving us the same show that he was giving to California. Get mad at him though,

that's corporate ship. No, I'm mad at him because better like give New York New York Steve Harvey, and you better start giving New York New York. I'm coming for that, y'all right, So this is so great. So they asked me to stay an extra year while they could get him all the way together. I don't have a problem. See, everybody thinks I got fired from Hot nighty seven people came with your podcast and said, that's not true, right. I gave them an extra year because I was syndicated

in Philly and New York didn't not. So when y'all was listening to me, when Wendy put there all that stuff, I was already one Philly. They wanted me to come back. So I'm like, ill, rather than go ninety five north to New York, let me just stop. Is there any point where you just really thought that that was real? Though,

Like I feel like she thinks it's real. I was going through so much internal turmoil within my marriage and UM and the station in Philly that I was about to be driving ninety five south too, that I couldn't even I couldn't even be present to it because I'm trying to The article says ratings usually pulls out hit. I'm like, that's white people ship, Like do we even do that? And so when NB said I saw Kevin in the club this weekend and he said, don't worry

about it. It's all good. They're not trying to kill you. I'm like, Kevin is Wendy's ex husband. I'm like, okay, okay, like, don't worry about it, Like we took the hit off right, like they're not coming tonight. So oh and then my husband was like, I got you, and he was somewhat in the street, so when he said I got you, I'm like, okay, he got me. They're gonna figure whatever it was. But again my life, I was transitioning out of New York radio, so I really didn't give a

funk all that much. And at the end of the day, ain't nobody coming that close to me, even without my husband. That's not going to get some pushback, like I'm not no fucking roll over. It wasn't because at one point I apologize to come. But it was you, Angie, Steph Lover, and Wendy all of the same station. What's that one time we all bugging? I think Steph wasn't there every time with you and Yeah, and arguably what turns out to be that's like the most powerful for women in

the radio. Yeah. I actually have a T shirt um inspired by Redman's T shirt that says she goes Sjonesy, Wendy and Angie, that's it. I'm my name's I don't put ye on there. But was there a specific reason why she would put a hit out on you that, you know? Because I think it was Kevin. I think it was her husband, Kevin, because again, Wendy is the one that called me to tell me how to get

a job in Philly. She made the calls sense, But it makes all the sense in the world when your husband is controlling and dominating and telling you, Wendy, don't be friends with Jones. She wants to be what you want to be if you want empire. He was trying to protect his you know what I mean, his empire. We see where he is now and it ain't with Wendy.

But he was manipulating. In my opinion, he was manipulating her because she was the one that had the power, you know, and she so again, I was so removed because I'm like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, but I'm not even gonna be in New York much longer because y'all niggers don't know I'm leaving big boys coming. I'm out of here. I'm back in Philly. So I didn't really I didn't care like that, But was it any time, and it was like yo, because you know, at the end of the day, I mean, let me be careful.

How I say, that's serious? But us point a lot of people were, you know, when he's husband was a different type of character. So wasn't any point where you felt like that it was like time to protect your lifetime from queens. I could call you, I could come on, I could call from Queens, like I don't know that even Kevin was really outside, but I know south side

the outside. I never felt right. But the record what happened is and because I was so side tracked with the other ship, like you know, like it was bigger ship when we circle back, but when I circle back to So for all those years, I never reached out to Wendy personally to say, bitch, why are you trying to kill me? Or nothing like that. I was home. I stepped back after clear channel power one oh five, but it was power ninety not it. Philly fired me.

I said, I've had enough for cosmic Yeah, fick shout out to them. I had had enough. I'm tired of fighting ex husbands. I'm tired of fighting radio stations because I had to sue them. I had to sue Radio one, which is TV one by the way, and and and so when you feel like you're you're a married woman and you're fighting corporations and you don't have the support in your marriage, you don't have the support and your fast I had to tap out. I had left, and I left, and I put all that ship and to

get off your phone praising you. I put all that ship and said, yeah, that's it. That's it. So I put all let and believe me. It was a struggle because I'm like, no, I'm gonna do and I actually did. When I left, I started my own online station. It was a twenty four hour station. I was doing mornings, I was doing sales, I was doing marketing. I was doing everything. And then Hurricane Sandy happened in New York. Now it was in Jersey. We were on Jersey Shore. Oh,

y'all got fun. Destroyed all of my equipment, all of my investment, all of everything. And at that point, I said, God must be trying to tell me sit your ass down and just raise your kids. Stop trying to be uh on the radio. Oh I'm miss showns and and put it in perspective because I can't outdo a hurricane. So that changed me. Like I was, I've had to tap into something else and not move with an ego because a lot of times artists and people in the

public eye everything. It's the destruction. But we are conditioned to if we don't care about our parents. You need to ego to be an entertainment business. You need it, but you had to control it. And it's hard because you don't. You don't know when enough is enough or when not enough, could have been more or should have been more. I could have got that part if I had just put ties up a little more. So it wasn't ready. I'm sorry, I take it, I got it,

i got questions, I'm looking, but I checked out. So for the last thirteen years I was home, no parts of any industry and no parts of any anything. And I have also an illness that some people paid attention to throughout the years. It's called amelia blastoma and it's an aggressive tumor and mine happens to be in my jaw.

So if you notice I'm a little puffy are on this side, and I'm a little twisty, it's because the tomb I've been fighting since I was thirteen when I was told you'll never have a career in singing because your jaw won't allow it. The strength of your your joy is weak. You want You'll never have a career radio because that requires talking all the time. You know. I fought through it, but it kind of took me. It took me down, and I had to have like

three more surgeries after I left radio. It was a lot. It was I went through a a lot personally. It was a lie and and and it was it was a lot. And it wasn't all good, Like it was dark and I'm so I'm between. I got smart because I got tired of selling houses and trying to get I'm halfway between both. Um, Yeah, it was a lie. It was a lot. But but the beauty of it is, you know that energy that's naturally built inside of us artists.

When we can't put it here in a on or we can't do a podcast or radio show, maybe we put it into our kids. And my son goes to like the number one prep boarding school in the world, and he's a three sports scholar athlete. He's varsity football, varsity wrestling, varsity discus. I don't know what you throw some ship. He's throwing shape like he's throwing you can growing up better than me. I don't know what the discus is for the years, but you hear how he

talks like, yeah talking. So I'll put it into him and my other son, and and I'm pleased with the result. And y'all watch Power. What's the son's name that goes to show that's the one that killed people? Yeah? Yeah, the sun. What's his name? His son in Power? Well tard the boarding school that he goes to the same is the killing though, right, it probably him too. We can't see you to college. They kill me. We gotta

put that into my kids. And and he's great. And my younger son is about to be off to the same situation. And so now I have both arms swinging free, and I'm like, let's go. Well, congratulations to you. I got couple more. I got couple more. I got che cheets right here. No, it's good, it's good, Okay, all right, dad, this is this is all right. I gotta ask this. He said. Recently, you were detained for threatning one of your kids classmates. That's reading. It's out and the thing

tell me what it says. Please you started talking about this in your podcast. Okay, I thought it was on the blog. I'm like, you put it out there, okay, okay, because COVID happened, and now I can't go back into court. But I got I got lawyer's stuff. So his brother, you see him shake, get his right his brother something. So his brother, little brother. He's twelve, but he runs with a total different crowd of people that he runs with, and so I'm not aware of what's going on. I

had to get a call on my or text. You're a fucking bad mother. Your fucking son is fucking terrorizing us. You need to fucking kill yourself. Your my other son's enemy's at twelve year old. No, it was a eleven year old girl. But I'm in bed watching Power and

I'm like, who wants the smoke? Like I didn't realize it was a twelve year old, and I fucking go all the way in and I'm like, she can get whatever, and saw her mom so that her mom was like But I called the mom and I was like, your daughters out of control because she shouldn't be texting an adult. She always needs his ass beat. So I owned that. But what I felt we were good. She goes and files and policia for it and says she she threatened

to take my daughter over her knee. So now it's not just a case of mere a terroristic threat, but it's her daughter against my son. But she didn't realize that her daughter texted him and said, I will murder you with my bare fucking hands. So I told him screenshot, or maybe I told you screen. Trying for your brother, I called him at boarding school. I'm sorry with Jalen, I fail you because he had nothing to do with it. He's trying to study and so he but I don't

know how to do technology. So he saved it. When we got before the judge. We showed the judge, he's like, oh he's in the good. The little bit is in the bad. And mom, your old school, Like get it, but you still got to show up at court. And then COVID happened. So court hasn't happened. But here's the thing. I'm old school, and I will suck you up from my kids. Positive energy called creed positive. That's my gun. Yeah, it's like, what is it called sage? Keep going? I

do sage when your dad leaves. Okay, this it's nice. So yeah, But the thing is, I like, we live in the suburbs, but I can't change who I am. And I don't care if my son and my son is bad, he's bad, but he don't just like I feel like some people just take our round boys. They're so fast to take them to the system, like so fat, like they're still kids first, don't look at them like they're just oh those are They don't get the benefits. They don't get the benefits out of being a kid.

So I pushed back and port back and and I do it all again if I had to, so At won't point you in funk flex did pompee right when Remy was Remy was beating with Fat Joe? Whoa, I don't know? Go absolutely yeah. I had no idea. Oh I had no idea. Can you break that down? So for the record, I love Fat Joe because it had it not been for Fat Joe, I would I would have not been on punch record, punished record, stand up

and say that. And I love Joey because even when we like he's just you know, you can have a conversation why so so what happened? I just bring it down for Lem and Remy were in something. Remy is my bitch, but listening listening and Remy like, um she was she was Oftentimes women in the industry do not get supported by our brothers, and um, this was an incident that might have been a difference of opinion or

a money thing or whatever. It was a miscommunication. But again has all the power at the radio station in nights. But now, but at this time, tell me exactly what what what was it that they were they were I don't know what the beef was, but I know that when you beef with Flex and Flex owns the night, you gotta come the morning because I'm the black sheet. So Remy came to you and Remy started talking that

you know, and then I remember the situation. I don't want the exact content, right, So was this the first time that Ribby said something that she was displeased about fat Joe? Was the first time all your show? Because they used to always cut everybody dropped it on my show? And then I deal with the describe what happened. She was piste off and she's not refined Remy as we see her now, she was like, no funk that he's trying to do this. He's not doing that. Where's my

this and where's my that? And you're supposed to be fat Joe. And it was ugly, was big, it was bad, and it was on morning radio. Morning radio is the top watch listened to. I tell people this whole time. If you don't want it to get back, don't bring it to morning radio. But back then, you know, I rock niggers asleep and make me feel comfortable. And Remy was my friend, so I didn't have to rock her. I just said, bitch, calm, tell your story. But Fat

Joe is going to flex and flexes. Also he's the king of Knights, so it becomes a battle and I'm not backing down. So ultimately, you know, you think flex had me like let go early atting on a seven? Is that what you're saying when you're asking because get their shots? Thank you, Glory, I'm asking you. He's the reason. Okay, So here's the thing, because I asking at one point you last place really didn't go on each other. But I didn't that really, I didn't just put you on

two together. But I wouldn't with another shot too, obviously I went that with that hold on? Is that what you think happened. Yeah, because when I was leaving Hot even though what a shot. That's right, that's right here Sunny we got Mr Sunny now Sunny Dunny, Mr Dank, you appreciate you. It's odd because on my leaving of seven shot ye French so alright cool? So Jalen. So is my son Jalen. He's frea and he speaks it yeah, yes, yes, yes, and he speaks it with his grandma like he from birth.

You just gassing a grandmother conversations. I don't know what's happening. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's him. Thank you, Mrs Sunny. Yeah, we're talking about so. Upon my leaving, it was your idea to take the shot. I didn't drink nothing on the plane. Good, that's good. Bitch next to me ordered zinfandel, right, and then she looked at me like I was gonna judge. It's just saving for drink Champ So I was. I knew when I left Hot I was gonna be in Philly. I

was good. B Et started meeting with me before my departure, Reginald Hudland. He was like, we would love to do a show with you. I said, I'm leaving Hot. We don't care. We want to film the departure. I said, Okay, here's what you don't know. I'm pregnant. That's a bonus. We love babies. Can we come into the delivery room and document? And I'm like, I don't even want my

husband there. Of course you can come. So they start coming up to Hot ninety seven the last few weeks of me being on there, and the rumor is that maybe Flex talked to Ebro and said it may not be a great idea for the company to be doing this when she's about to leave. And I get it. I get it to Ed Bregnitt, So that could That's the only thing that I ever could feel that maybe Flex it because other than that, he was always a supporter. He was always he always has great advice and he's

always like umo. Flex is my brother and I love him. But Flex is a company man. He's going down with the ship. Yeah, like he's he said that he doesn't care. He'll take less money out to seven to stay to seven, just to be and look, he's whether the storm. He's still working. After all these years. My ass I've been fired. Wet her fire hired, Bring her back bringing back fire her fire Bringer back. So obviously there's something to that.

What do you think when Angie laugh Because like like Angie and Flex was like they were like the two like staples of Hotland. I think that had it not been for Envy leaving and Angie might still be at hot Whoa because every leaving and making it work, because it's not like I just left. Envy left and made it work and showed the possibility. And he saw the

painting on the canvas when it was a blank. A lot of people they want they believe it could be better on the other side, but they're not quite ready to take that move. And he's a risk taker. He took the move, you know. And the other side is Ebro wasn't willing to give Envy what he knew he deserved. Now Envy had all that money from Star, Damn good, Queen's get the money. He's exactly to say, like, alright, cool, just be clear. There was a bad joke again on

the morning shows we have. I don't want to repeat what allegedly to start it with me, Okay, No, so Star started talking about you Jalen being a bastard child, and then Power was running commercials all weekend about how this whore had this bastard child, and he was asking people at the hospital you were born in to send our medical records. We're sorry, man, We're sorry again. Yeah, sorry, sorrow. Shot. That was a lot of sorrow. I'm going myself. I got so wait we got weight to No, no, we

got again. It was he was in the bastard you got, you got your shot. No, mama, to the heavy poor, to the heavy poor. Okay, that's cool. It in two instead of one. Holy ship, because I don't know what's gonna get Wait, because it's because there's a lot. And again you're told don't talk about that on the air. Let it go and don't Okay, So he pat commercials

and promos. Wait as I so he had commercials saying what about your son, about me being a like a whore having a child out of wedlock and that he's down syndrome, and to send the people at the hospital where he was born, please send the medical records and I'll give you money. I'll say, allegedly, because you have to. Now I think I think hip hop beefs is nothing because I think radio I mean that I would have this ship is wild man. I would have no idea, Like the way you just broke it down, I had

no idea I gonna leave you. There was a murder hit on you. Now I believe not so much before. No, now I'm believing because it's is getting deep down my family. It was a lot. And so the whole weekend, like Somber told you about the news cycle on Friday, no one's reading, so no one's everyone's hearing, but no one's like calling and complaining because people advertisers that would, they're

on their dots. So this story comes out, Star Wars coming up with this and then wait, wait, wait, wait, So I'm sorry, there's something you said that they just resonate with me. It's the advertisers that are not going to hear it. It's not necessarily the listeners, it's the advertisers. So they're playing promos over the week. I didn't I didn't catch that at first. Now you get to play.

And so the commercials are playing, they're playing all weekend, and people are barbecuing and they're hearing these promos because everyone's tuned into power and hot and hot and power. And he's saying he's saying that my son is down syndrome, which even if he were, it's still like a kid, like, don't be talking about kids. They didn't ask to be. This is after he did everything, or this is before, this is before, this is what started in all right, So he basically got away with this. This is the

reason why he kept going with it. Is that what we're saying. Well, and they after that weekend and they heard it and came in once again to my defense. I was like, how dare he talk about Jalen and you like that? And the station run commercials and promos who's doing that? And it's hot a hot still and the defendant this is such an ill story, like this is so is at hot night seven and stars kicking my back and my son's back and calling him about crypt blood shy. I was a blood I didn't know

it well and didn't it was going down. But because again but because radio was the beast was bigger than even hip hoppy, I'm I'm just going going, going, so and he's like, why isn't Jalen's dad saying something. I'm like, well, I had a meeting with him and the uncle's and they feel that me ignoring him is the best thing to do, and he goes, fuck that. He goes on the mic the next break and breaks start down. Star now has his ammunition because all along Ebro have been

telling me and Envy don't respond. Stars just trying to get a reaction, don't do it. And he said, fuck you. Somebody needs to stand up for Jones, and he goes in, r goes back, and he goes back start. So now it's bigger than meeting No Brown and they're going back and forth with each other, and Star went up further than he should have gone and said something about Andy's daughter wiping her as pennies and taking a bite out

of it, allegedly. And but but because we had gone through tsunami and the wife has is of Asian descent, we knew to play. So Envy went to the same man, or had his wife go to the same man, John Lou and said, look at this man and what he's saying about my kids. Their mother's Asian. They're like, if you want to fight us for tsunami, bitch, stand up the same way. And he did, and Starr had to get fired and and we got like millions and millions of dollars and sorry, Jalen, your dad made a bad call.

Could have been us. It's all right, we're coming back now, a right to come back, come back, coming back, and so we're back. And so that's what happened. That's what fueled that whole envying and star and people think, oh, Envy's a snitch. You're not a snitch when you're protecting your children, because there are a lot of crazies out here that will hear someone say something and it's a clarion call to let me go and shoot his daughter, or let me go in the white mannaise between her

ask and all those things. So Envy he did, I feel the responsible thing. And after that start got fired from Power one oh five. And then soon thereafter I think I left, and then and the wound up where he wound up. But then he wound up at Power, and I don't even know how he got here, but that's what happened. At what point, do you guys all feel that or do you ever feel that y'all are just pawns in these corporate people's game. Never because the

money is so good, because y'all just fighting. They're fighting, You'll, it's understood though the fight is is they're just it's the corporations are are vuying for advertisement and then you guys are taking it to the streets. Well to the point of us us not getting corporate money, like the corporate is we were minding our busin is having our kids. You're the one calling them autistic and down syndrome, like you're saying the other hosts right when I'm trying to say,

like why are they going that low? Why y'all have to respond like at the end of the day, these companies and nobody's saying nothing about the executive due at the top his kids by cousin, you know, that would be shut down so that they probably knew this. Oh this is great ratings. Oh this is great. But we're caught up in emotion, do you know what I mean? Like we're protecting our image or our children or our kids.

We don't want them like you you protect your kids and you're not thinking of oh but this is really employed by corporate Well you can't at that point. I'm just saying before you get to that point, like why is everybody even allowing it to get to that point? That's a good point. I think we need another shot Peter Rosenberg. We had Peter Rosenberg. Peter Rosenberg asked me, asked me what you read books with him too? I saw him on your shower and he said, he said that,

you know, he felt like you didn't like him. He feelt like he said, he was an implant for Hebro and he admitted to it. He admitted to that ship, he said, and without knowing he was bitch. You knew you wanted to be on air, nothing else. You knew you wanted to be on the morning show. But I'm from Queens and I knew you wanted to be You don't know the m play. I saw the play. I saw the play. I newdn't want it, and so Abril brought him. I said, who wouldn't want? Who wouldn't want?

The one the morning shot? And so when Abril brought him to my attention, I asked, he Bro, what's this background? Because again it's all business. I want to win. So whoever you bring in short of them doing a tsunami song, I'm here for. When he brought him in and I interviewed him, his credentials didn't necessarily match up with the position because he was making like college doovers like, what

is it called parodies? Parodies? He's doing college parodies right, And I'm at a point in my because by this time our show has been on for at least two or three years. I need next level parody. It's got me in trouble. So as I'm talking to him and I'm interviewing him, and of course there's a raised eyebrow. So after Tsunami, let me just explain that me and the and and Tay had become like this because we realized that the evil was hired. Is Evil hired after that?

Because Abril had been hired when tsunami happens, like the Empty like he used to play pool all the time. He was like the empty, great guy, I have no bad stories, like pop is like cool, No, he's good by the time he's the Empty's empty? Actually no, yeah, he's empty. And John Demic is the p d okay, so he comes. So he comes because the tsunami, the tsunami thing rocked my morning show so badly that we

needed someone that was completely uninvolved in our shenanigans. Ebro enters to be and then we hired Todd Lynn and then we hire Garfield the comedian, just to have a lot of ship going on, so you guys, forget about all the bad things that were attached to us before corporate comes to him and says, you can't be p D or m D and beyond the morning show make a decision. Because so all right, so let me just ask you something. He's coming from California when he came out.

I was in Philly. Tracy did that? I know what I'm asking you was he owned a station in California. He was in the UH some something in the Bay Area and still be in the empty and still being the p No, no, no, he no, he'd been quit that when Tracy Colton to come to New York. He was done with that. He was in the office at HoTT in the seventh but he stepped up when they

wanted us off the air for Tsunami. So it is that weird because you know, this is the like Tracy Clarity didn't do that, these other pds didn't do that. Is that weird? I'm sorry, I'm I asking that you're not. Actually I'm sorry, because it's totally weird. It's we that's your program director becomes part of your morning This is exactly what he was talking about if you come to us,

you know, the morning. But at that point we were so desperate and concerned about salvaging our show, and we knew that Ebro had done radio in the sack that We're like, we just need bot conferences by sacrament Sacramento. Sorry, sorry, um. He had done successful radio and Sacramento. So we just needed competent bodies in the room that we could trust

to keep the engine moving forward. But it came a point where corporate came to him and said, you're great in mornings, and you're great as a program director, but you need to pick a side. Nigga, what you wanna? So he said to me, it's up to Miss Sjans And I said, I wonder if this is bad. I wanted things would have been different had I not said this. I wonder what you're about to say. He said, it's up to miss Jones. You want me on your show, you want me to go back to the office. Okay,

let's just be clear. This is very big moment. But you're about the answer. So I want you to We're saying Spanish is coming because I want you to be clear what we said. You're saying that there was a time were evil had a chance to go back behind the deaths or be in front of the microphole. Name the microphone name, And he said it depends on UPTI miss Jones whatever she wants. And what did you say? You're more useful to me in the back office, so I can know what the white boys are thinking. But

had Ebro. But had Ebrol told me his sincere intention or desire to do radios. Well, he brought in Rosenberg and we saw that play. It's the let me throw you off a big boy, And I'll put Rosenberg with Cipher because I know that's going to fail, and then I'll slide in. It will be me and Rosenberg and that's where they are now. But had he told me, but sometimes men don't want to admit to women a

sense of power over. Do you know if I'm a woman and I have maybe part of your faith in my hands, that's like a play that you kind of have no control in. Women tend to be sometimes emotional. Jonesy even more so. I'm not sure he felt comfortable telling me that he really wanted to do morning radio alongside me, or maybe he just wanted to take it over. But the point is he brought Rosenberg in under the guise of being a producer for me when all along,

says Regal, what's the do name? I thought about the dream but Anthony all right, so he broke in. He brought in, He brought in Rosenberg. Well, even if he wasn't going to be utilized as a spy, he damn sure, I wasn't gonna be produced. Well, that's what Rosenberg. But that's how they He's like, Miss Joe's ready. He did. He picked you up. Now I saw him. I said, thank you, Peter Man one dye. Never wanted to like you, by the way, but you have integrity. But but I

saw the play. I'm from Queen, you know, so I knew you don't have producer credit. Ebro is the only one co signing you. Evil is the only one that knows you. And here you go. If Ebrol had said that I have interested, if Ebrol had just told me he wanted to do mornings, nig come on, you wrote when I starting Soonami, come on, you saved me. Come on. But he was like, oh, what's up to miss Jones? So here I go. Well, Nigga, I need somebody in the back office and tell me, what's going there? When

he actually picked you? You you picked him in the back office. Was that something that he was like, Oh damn, it's Joe's I didn't pick him. I think you said you because you had a choice. You had a choice. Oh at that point? Oh yeah, Well I don't know what do you think? I don't know what you were doing whatever he might have been doing with Rosenberg in

all honesty, but what should I have done? I don't know how to better have played that because I'm feeling like me and Ebral were cool, like Ebrol knows like he knows all that, he knows where the body is a burn with me. So if you're feeling that you want to do mornings, nigga telling me because they asked Corporate wants me to give them an answer, and he's like, no,

it's completely your decision. Actually, he's the p D at the time, and and and I didn't feel ever like he was my p D. I was felt like Ebral always made me feel like we were like creative equals. So I'm feeling like he would have told me because I used to tell him stuff that I need that billboard or Ebron, you know, can I get this, So I figured he would have told me if he really wanted to land on mornings, but he never did. And

so I'm seeing Rosenberg. You are coming out of nowhere, bitch, please, I'm no by So let's just say yeah, exactly, another drink a shot, not bit. This is the one you want to talk to yourself too, But this is your show, jes No, you're helping me figure out my life. You are. You are figuring it out on your own. You just talk to yourself, and it's amazing my therapist that I'd be having a lot of ship in my head. I just need to sort it out. So can I come here like once a month in your let's do it?

One of the people you put on? I got. I gotta note of this ship. Hold on, I love it. I'm trying to get checks out of the hold on. Yeah, who who you holding over? Bro? Why you didn't tell me? Bro in the mean produce a way better than Rosenberg. Let me tell you on the meantime. Hold in the meantime, I was trying. I have like three different numbers. I'm only love right, So the one I decided to text FaceTime on drink shop with Mrs Jones. Cool, we're talking

about Tupac stories present, wrong number. Motherfucker will never that's one. That's one of those things. Yeah, she gave Rosenberg, Donnell Rollers, Stephen A. Smith, Mike Show, Toddling, Yeah, and all nother motherfucker's is working and I'm trying to get back in. They all you got, damn you let to both your boss, you gotta they gotta come, they go. But whoa, all right? All right? We spoke about Stephen A. Smith, Donnell Rolls. You worked the Donnelle before he met Chappelle? M hm?

Or did he meet Chappelle? He just wasn't lit. He just can't. How do met Donaille? Roll? No, I think he wasn't actually Larry then. I think he had been

actually Larry then. I don't think no. And so Danelle has a so I love comedy, I love laughing, I love but Donnelle has a very specific and direct sort of comedy and it didn't always translate on radio and morning radio more specifically, because just like late night talk is different than the view and talk and all those you have to I can't describe it, but that's just a certain element you have to know what works for

that day part. And so Donelle, as talented as he might have been for maybe a nighttime show, I just didn't feel like it. Always showed up for mornings and then he would get upset. He would get mad and me and he would take bets about whether or not he could read copies without making the stakes, and that

didn't help the club to this day. Serious serious, I think from you guys, because is like partners with him right for angels, I think the one excluded from the beef get to you, you said, Dondell, you and interview was the first person who put Donnell continued about that. And so like he would come, he would show up to work and like we try to let him do his thing in the confines of we still got to do a show. It's not like us a one man

stand up. He would get upset. He would get really like like upset, upset, like like it's like just In Bereen breaks. Yeah, very emotional, but very talented, and most artists are emotional. So I got it. But nigga, it's a four hour show. I'm not sure. Let's just get the fucking white people's checks. Why are you going all out? And so he looked at it as maybe a woman telling him what he should be doing as opposed to what he was doing, or Jones, and who the fuck

is she? She's not. I don't know, well I know. All's I know is that day he did something and it wound up melting down and Ebro couldn't fix it, and Envy who's the fixer. He's like the Olivia Pope of radio. Couldn't fix it. He walked off the show and that was it, and I was like, good ricks. Now, in hindsight, great talent. Never said anything personally bad to me or offensive to my family. It just didn't work for what we were already under the thing of tsunami.

We were trying to build back, we were trying to prove ourselves were trying and I can't have somebody fighting with me every day when I'm telling you what we need to be doing for the people Donna Rawlins and me. So I fired him. I fired him. I'm not sure if we made noise for that. Just say no, you don't make noise for the firing. Come on, we're not making noise for firing something. I'm sorry even though you did it. He got me back though, three weeks ago,

me and Wendy. Three weeks ago, we went to Dona Rawlins did Carolines opened up for the first time the company, and she called the gust Chelsey, this is why you need to move back to New York. Dona Rawlins. Wendy's calling you after the murder hit. So everything best, That's what Andy said, and he's like, whenever I go to Wendy's house, He's like, okay, we'll just call me and even I gotta it might be the last time, right, he said, you feel I feel like you're my daughter

going to the prom. I'm on waiting like. So she calls and she's like, Caroline is open open. This is why you need to move to New York. I want to go see do and how long will it take for you to get here? So I'm like, it's your lucky day, bitch, because it's Thursday, and Thursday I hate my show with Queen's Flip Me and Miss Jones on the Queen's Flip. Um, I'm drinking a lot whatever whatever we beg Yeah, already in the city. She don't know

I'm already in New York. So she's like, my driver's down still airs like, you know when you get here. So we go to Carolines. When we get there, we're a little late, like a lot of late. But so they asked, do you want to sit here or do you want to sit up front? You know, I'm up front, bitch, I've been at home for like So she's like, let's go. We sit up front and Donnell Rowlands stops the show to go is that Ms Jones my former boss that fired me? When your boss shows up to your new gig?

So he got me, he got me. I mean he made a few jobs, but I was like, just make sure you're funny tonight, nigga. He didn't go hard. Thank you for not going hard because Wendy about Wendy, but he said, well, so people will go with how do you doing? With everybody in the audience was going how are you doing? When we So by the time we set at our table, which is right in front of

the same so he's like, hen Wendy Williams. So everyone stands off and they're applauding, and they can't believe it because last they heard she was trying to all right, but let's be clear, that's the crowd of how they feel how do you feel with your ex murder? So mea when so so so I said that wrong together. I did not mean like that. But even if this is allegedly, if it's not allegedly, this is a story that brewed in the goddamn public eye. And you said,

I believe that. Let's be honest, I said, but I felt at the time that my husband, who I told you, was in the streets and he was cool. He was like he died it right, And I never heard anything anymore blowback. Him and keV knew each other. Well, they got to know whoever my ex husband knew that touched keV. Supposedly keV was touched and the problem was touched. Like stop it right, I'm sorry, I don't know what tested me,

and let's stop it. Let's stop it right right. You need to stop it, man, I've been stopped in a long time, teacher, you know. So it really fully forgives Wendy even thinking a long no, I didn't. Here's what happened. So long. I love your artist. No funk her because no no fun her, because no funk Wendy. Because here's the thing. So after all these years, right, she never bothered after Kevin did all that ship that he did, and you knew what Kevil you do. Kevin's come back.

I told Wendy the day I met Kevin, because she asked me to come and prove him. And when she got out of the car to go into the store. No, he wasn't, but he was like, yeah, I said, you know, Wendy's gonna be big one day. She can't have regular nigger handling. You need to step it up, he said, I know. And when she blow up, I'm gonna be right there. You ain't got to tell me twice what that looks like. But I told Wendy, and I guess she was like, it doesn't matter. Jones, he probably had

so much more. I'm marrying him, and so you know, as a friend, you're like, you don't want to be that bitch that's be like, no, don't fucking marry him page No. So I was actually at the engagement party, and so he put wedges between us throughout the years. You know, whatever I did, she was on BLS. She would take jabs whatever her and star enemy of my enemy is my friend. Everybody tore me down. But after her divorce, which is recent, and her mom passed away,

which is also recent. Yeah, and then I came back on the scene in February. So I'm on i G Live and someone asked about the murder and I'm telling them. Someone added, Mr c don't ask me why what theams? So somebody in that live, some random person added him. Next thing I know, he's requesting to be camped up. That's okay that and so I camped him up. He's like,

what happened with what you'all talking about Wendy? And I told him, I said, I never got resolved, like why would you let that nigga and like influence you to have me taken out? Because even if he wasn't ve children, saying like keV influence Mrs Mrs Mr was down. No, he knew no, no, we all knew what seven what Kevin Wendy was doing because they might be less at

the time. And so I said, anybody trying to get in favor with Kevin or Wendy could have taken that murder thing seriously and killed me or my kids just trying to get someone down with them fired by whatever was talking somebody to say, what are you doing all day? Like you know, doing right? Right? Anybody. So he said, um, a lot of ships that Wendy. A lot of ship

was Kevin and not so much Wendy. He said, when obviously Mr C is saying when I did what I did with the transvest sides, and allegedly it was all Kevin. Wait that get involved in this, because he's on the live saying he's trying to explain to me that it wasn't Dy, was more Kevin. That Kevin was pushing Wendy to push that whole transsexualstor whatever the funker was narrative, Yeah,

because because listen, you'll get it. When Wendy went to Blast She's opposite of Hot ninety seven, keV allegedly wanted Mr. She to keep riding with Wendy season the contract at Hot so he can't. keV gets mad. So now Kevi hates Mr C. Let me put a battery and my wife's back to talk about Mr She talk about put that out right. So she used to say dj U, which we know dj is dj Mr C, and she

would say all the stuff. But to the point when he came on that live that night with Me and Queens Flip, he said, a lot of that ship was not Andy was Kevin, and I know it's easy to like blame Wendy now because she's going through this whole public humiliation about blah blah. But I think if you and Wendy would talk, y'all could find some resolve and either decide to be friends again or to walk away. So he said, do you want me to call her?

And I'm like, sure, whatever. He calls her, and he and and I guess it was a great conversation because he calls me and goes, I don't know you was at her engagement party. She wants to talk to you. She's like, oh, Joe, I want to say, oh my god, oh my god. So he goes, so I gave her your number, she's gonna call so me, I call Endy. Mike Sewan and like Wendy's supposedly gonna call me by blah blah blah. As we're talking, she beats in on the other line, so I clicked all It's just like,

oh my god, Jos, I've missed you so much. How are you what's going on? And then we talked for like three hours, and then two days later she calls and she's like, bitch, I'm on my way to your house, and I'm like, bitch, you ain't got my address, Just like bitch I needed because we're close, So give her the address. She pulls up to my house and we sit there for like four hours. No in Jersey where

I live now. She pulls up to the house. He's at boarding school, but he still has my ring app on his phone, so he sees every man, every woman coming in and out of mommy's house. Yeah, so he's like, yo, is that aunt Wendy? And she comes in and we talk and and it just was like it's even though, because when that phone murdering, it's not murdering. Yeah. Yeah,

I ain't gonna lie. When I google that ship, I was like, show shot because I remember it back in the days when I had to google you because get my friend and I love you just cause you don't know people. Yeah. So when I looked at it, I was like, damn, but what did they get that I really did? One of the Andy won't and he's like, oh, yeah, okay, whatever, I still got my I Wendy Vy won't let it go. He's like, damn, I don't want to ask this question.

People need more friends like Envy. Yeah, big, by the way, but because the next week she invited me to spend the night at her house, and you did. He said, you call me at the first sign of she's trying to get you to take something on one or be with somebody you ain't interested in. And I think it's probably obvious now that she she personally wasn't trying to kill you. Yeah. No, And she said that it was an afterthought, which I would have thought this conversation. I

actually did say we did, but it wasn't. It wasn't like she led with it, which I would have appreciated more for her to lead with it, by the way, Jones. But it was, by the way Jones. You know, Kevin was never really trying to kill you. He was just angry. So he said, when's this report come out in the New York Times. I this wasn't like two thousand, maybe nine or ten. And the lawyer representing Wendy's intern that was suing Wendy and Kevin, Kenneth Johnson, Kenneth, I forget

his name. He called and said, I just want to let you know that Wendy, her husband was trying to murder you. That's pretty Kenneth Thompson, but he was representing the girl that was suing Wendy and Kevin. So I said, Fitch Wild, when you tell me intentuality to my clients, Yeah, that's he sucked me around so much in this it's bad. Really, Why don't we stay? Why do we are saying in these songs they want kid with the press relation, We just want our case because when they and Kevin by

the way, they're coming to get you tonight. So and again, I'm in my own personal turmoil with my own life. So I'm like that because I'm not on the scene at that point. I'm like whatever, whatever. But when we met, when she came to my house, she cried, and she come to the house with bodyguards and bodyguards staying outside. She's she didn't have no, no, it was it should have been because she didn't know what she was walking into. It was just a driver and me and pop up.

And so I'm in the house sweating like a freaking and I'm clean, sweeping tables, like is a little part of you saying you know what? This bit to kill me? I'm sorry, no, no, no, no, no, I'm just saying she felt she's I never thought that she would ever be built. Because anyone that saves you when you need a job, your life is in jeopardy. That that to me, that proceeded anything anyone could have ever told me, which is why people say, now, why are you her friend?

Because when I was about to like not know where I was going to get a check from. All right, but this is after because you lived, right, she walks in your house. This is the first thing she says, that's bullshit. No, she starts showing me how her titties sit out without a pencil dropping underneath. That's what you

guys talking about. No, I didn't say anything. She walks in and she goes, kids on, Wenday's here, and then she twirls around like wonder Wendy, and she goes look at my body and she's and then she goes, come in, Jones, bring it in, and then we hug and she's like, what are we drinking? What are we doing? And I'm like, you want the Hennessy. She's like all day, So we're going to live room. So does she Wendy would do great on drink champs? Yes, she would do great. Yeah,

I have her one stop it up. This is story. So she's like, so it's kind of like it feels like someone you haven't spoken to, but you pick right up where you left off. So she's talking about but it's a lot of people ain't speaking to and I can pick up where I left off. They don't got an article about murder. They didn't got to murdering your buddy, just murders. Just go too, Hong. You don't want us to stop for one second? Right there, right there, all right, I might as well. We got fat in me on

the phone. Hold on around, hold on, holo, holo, hold hold on, hold on with miss Joe. Joe he's here, live on the phone. Yes, yes, he's alive on the phone. Here, come over here, come over here. You know you see I got my college in on. You know, you know, you know you know. You don't ask you you don't ask me for no calls for your car show. But it's okay, all right, you know I'm about to you know what. But look, miss motherfucking Jones, are you in

your car show right now? Goddamnit? He gets he getting too much money, miss Jones. He get so much money. I'm looking up, yo. Let me tell you something, Miss Jones. Picked you up so beautiful. She's so much respects you, she so much loves you, and we respect you when we love you. But I just really wanted you to understand and get your flowers too, because you need to. Julian life good. God, damn, it makes something. You're good looking at it. You know, we love you, man, you

know you know what. We're gonna make sure she get back to having fun. Oh, hold on, hold on, hold on. I wear flowers. I would like flowers. I don't want to give flowers. I give my flowers and I wear flowers, but I don't like to give it myself. But yeah, we thank you so much. I mean, we appreciate you, my brother. What love makes some knowing? Yeah, come on, come on, come on, come on listen, No, listen, this is like the biggest podcast in the world, and so listen.

I have been like so excited when I reached out to you and asked. It was because it was like six months or not six months, like three months of me saying I can get on drink cham that's gonna term you're crazy. You never not now. Just so you know, we made this platform for for us. You know what I'm saying to think about this. We love to do artists, but some of them, you know, their last two years one year and they leave and you know we we invented the idea of a hip hop union and the

hip hop union bees. It's like somebody put it in there. They work and they you know, they blessed, sweat and tears, and then after after ten years, your bills should be taken care of. Your whole thing. So this this is with me and my partner. You're telling an amazing job if it is trying to do it. And this is the like, this is the grammy of hip hop. Because I want to reiterate something that I said earlier, was

you like kind of invented social media. Like in my opinion, Uh, most things that happened in the hip hop people will have to call you and if they couldn't care you, they would d M you, which is the private line. But how is that because I won't point if if it didn't happen on your show, it just didn't happen. What happened maybe okay, okay, well let's just focus on you. I like it all right, So at won't point you

know things happened to your show? Was that like a crutch or was that like because because sometimes people get bad. Artist is very sensitive. So there hasn't been a time where artists you reported something to an artist who got sitisenive on you always, always, always Beyonce's mom, she wanted to fight me a child. No I'm not a child, but she wanted to fight me. She came to me in the studio and soss, okay, you must have got a really piston up. What did you What did you do?

She seems like I kind of like, what is it? COMPARI and so one day and and and so Beyonce was coming up to the station, but Ebro with them didn't tell me because they knew that I would either try and like I was unpredictable because you did say Mary j. Blast can't say you did say that at one point. A lot of times she can't. I love her own power, but it doesn't nowadays. You don't have to be able to sing. And that's what I learned. It's not about singing. It's about emotion. Good sing, good thing.

I'm clapping up, very skeptic, right, It's about emotion. You don't have to be technical. You have to be the best singer right to be successful, to have a great record, because you're who you are, the emotion, the way you conveying the friend right, she sells the brand of black girl, hurt and love. That's saying, that's it. You win, Jesus, it's time to be the queen. Flip. It's very hot over there. I'll just let you know. He'll be fine. She just said. Mary Jakes cast saying pushing it. You're

pushing it, you're pushing it. Well, I mean that doesn't mean that she's not a great artist. Isn't a great singer? Macy Gray Okay, well it depends I think for her vocal into her voice or not that. No, it's a different type of voice. But so it's Mary. If you're into it, you're into it. It doesn't matter. And the song, the brand is consistent. Mary's brand is consistent throughout the years. You know, if you're hurting in love, put on a married song. She wins by the fall. You know, I've

been hurting in love for a little tough. So I love. I saw your gorgeous wife, not recently but back to day. Like, yeah, so as you think that you were married is because of what you mentioned earlier where you felt like Papa was kind of like, is it just that all? Here's the thing when I picked you again, so I'm sorry I cut you off. Now it's fine. But ahead, Mary and I have no beat. Like when we see each other, She's like, you want some wine? Did made? Is one

of the first. We don't have those conversations. We don't have those conversations. And one day and I don't have those conversations. So here's the interesting thing when I when you try to Bertie, it's a little different. I don't know. Sorry, I went to murdership. Murder already died. It's murder happens. Was like, I swear to God, you don't need my sister. I love you. So when I googled you and it kept coming up, I was like, damn, I had to I swear off. I wanted to excluded it from the interview,

but I kept googled it. Every it leaves. It leaves when wanted murder, and it leaves now because she and I are like out in these streets together every chance, as pictures and stuff like that. And here's the thing, Mary, Mary's like, Mary is unaware of I guess how I feel like, um, sab Judah does these celebrity boxing matches and he wants me and married a fight. Oh that that's never gonna happen, obviously, But so I've challenged her.

I was like, come get these boys, bitches what she wanted to be and I'm not I need to stretch and like lose weight and all these things. But it was fun. But I think she's shut down my I G page. She shut it down. Probably not. I'm just running with it. But I don't have a problem with her. She really don't have a problem with me because she's come to my show in Philly. We like, we're good. She's not that complex. It's just me with this whole

I have a thing, like I have a thing. So you don't think that if she's questioned and taken back because it's easy for someone to have a career and in the beginning of their career not acknowledged certain people that are around their peers, right, but after they've had huge career, they could look back and say, yes, this person was on the forefront of this, They were the pioneer of this. They were before me and this. You

don't think she do that, right? Now, get her asked on your show and find out, because here's the better question. After you guys will competing in music. She's never capable miss your own show ever. You never interview to come. But she came on my show and Philly, Okay, that's your show. But what does that mean? I think she didn't realize that it was Jonesy because in Philly they called me Jones. New York calls me miss Jones. No, she realized she probably Martest. No, we played. She made

me drinks. Okay, yeah, I'll be drinking girl. I know it's Joseph Jozi. I don't know. I'm married right there. I think I think Mary exactly new who exactly you were? Okay? Well, and I took it okay, but I still talk my I played too much. They all know Mary Faith Faith not speaking to me now, Mary Faith, Lauren, they all know I played too much, but it's who I am. Let's let's go with Laura. Who got be for Lauria? No,

I really don't have beef with Lauren. But Faith is mad because she came on my podcast and it was all going good and then I got silly and I was like, who is better? In bad too Papa Bibi, Oh my god, and the record scraps like what She's like, I wouldn't know why you asked my head too, but so like I just be playing too much. Nori helped me. No, I can't row this one. That one was terrible. You really are is bad. It was bad. But to the point did she take a humorous well in that monte?

She actually was like, I didn't have sex with him and I we carried on faith on our show. Was super candid. She waspen she said straight up, she didn't, but I had to ask her. She said a lot of but I had to ask because that's what I'm known for doing. How could I not ask? And she was fine, she like. We kept on with the interview, and then later that night I got an email that CCTs Stevie J and me, how dare you ask me those questions? That was disrespectful of my husband. My husband

would not appreciate you having asked those questions. My husband is up. Stevie, get out of face email and go to bed. I have a Stevie J. Satday night email to me. But I apologize to the Jordan's ship. Yes, I was ready for little did you get a show. I see I seen one in room. Yeah. Yeah, if you made a tragedy, I watched it all, Bro, I appreciate watch it. B It means a lot of flip

got it the last he's going to people cribs. You're not heavy because look at what you just did after that Mary story and faith backing up and yeah, I don't want sev J coming in with them. Okay, but here's here's another deal. I ask you little Kim or Foxy? Yeah, he said neither, right, You're the first person to ever say neither. Come on, let's do a shot. I let your style shot a porn ready. Ah, you said, this is the for lack of a crater term, especially our time,

especially at the time you came out. You were on a Z number one single, your own one, everybody's record many A. Yeah, how can how can you say little Kim Foxy Brown and not picked either? And I would like, you know what, I love them both, but I would like your gud honest opinion. So that's the thing. Yes, we all, as much as we may not want to admit, we know that Biggie was the best writer for Kim and was big passed away the level of lyricality kind

of waned. I love that word. I've never heard of liberality. I mean, I don't even take the word. That's hall. That was all Google it. Make it a word, make it a word. It waned after he passed away, like we waited and waited and waited for her specifically to stay. Yeah, and I don't know that and maybe we just had bigger expectations because it was he writing for her. But when she finally did for me. If it's a wordy, go ahead, Jonesy, it just it felt all right, that's you, right,

So I just and Foxy, it's personal, it's personal. Well, she's just she's just nasty. She's just meaning for no reason to me or back then like just like irrational and I can't do it. I can't do I don't care how much of flow is good and who you are feeling? It was that sorry, so sorry. I don't know of course it online, but who what was like easy was like her quiet man? Or you did a record where eazy that did that anything had anything to do with it an epiphany head. I had no idea

it's a legend that would make sense. I didn't know that girl. I hadn't. I didn't heard that both. That makes the exactly I'm clear to allow Nori. That's this is Allegendly we have a Z on the show. He's been supposed to. He's got a new album coming, so he needs to come. Yeah, me to, He's supposed to come, my mind, but he's like Jones, do you know the creative process? That would make sense because I never knew why. She just is always those ways to me. This was

so look at the timeline. Was it after that? It was because because I was on the Firm album. I did a song on the Firm album. Yeah, but after I'm like, white, Wow, thank you Noram can give me that. You gave me my closure that I needed. Wow. Whoever thought it would have come on drink Champ Allegedly it happens this way. You're up, We're okay, you're Punt. This is super alleged. Leave everything that is not allegedly as me and Pun was like he was my love story.

Yeah we never foxed, but we could have, but we did it. Jesus, but we that's a love story. That's like you're in love with him without So here's the thing. When I met Pun, the exact story. That was really sad when he died, but so the I go lie, y'all was sorry to the situation, but nice to see y'all. Y'all was cute together, like like he would like rub your nose, like your nod. Yeah. Yeah. Han would come to my house every night of the week after like

seven pm and just be. He would be. He would share, I'm sorry, this is this is something you know what it's twenty years twenty five years later. Do you think was in love with you? I know that he was. I think so too. Why do you think that? No? Stop, I meant no, But honestly, I'm so sorry because you know it's it's People can be offended by this part of the interview, but it's okay, and I apologize. But I never see him blush when I see him around.

You see him blush, and it was like blussing right now. He was good to me. He was good to me without me maybe even like I never I just was able to be regular Tarsha from a stormy up and he didn't judge me. No. I just remember how my brother thought about her, like I seard, no, that's serious. And he's the guy from the Bronx. I'm you know her, I'm her brother. So when I heard him talking about her,

I couldn't. I could not stop him because it was so respectful, it was so lovable, and it was so like, you know, I'm sorry because I can see her face right now, Okay, alright, cool, because I could, I couldn't physically see that. I can really see when he was around you, like he felt comfortable, he lowered his thing, and you know, I posized anybody's hurt from what I'm saying. But I could see that he had a certain part of his heart for you. And did you did you

know that? I did? Okay? And but but again he was always married. Was it reciprocal? Like did you feel the same way I did? Because he didn't want nothing from me, He didn't need anything. It was pure emotion, and he met me where I was like, he always was available to me in the midst of his busy. He always at the end of the night, that driver would bring him West End Avenue, Apartment two. K you know,

it's the great shot Western Avenue at that time. Relax, kick yourself, I knew, okay, okay, so so you know, and yeah, so he was at the height, and when you're at the height, it's hard to get people to receive you where you are. But he knew I didn't

want nothing from him but those laughs. And he knew I was dealing with some mental ship from the person Novice with at the time, and he pulled me up out of that and he did a remix on for my album because he knew the label was about to drop me, and he said, if I do this remix, not only will they keep you, but they'll send you on tour with me, and I'll threaten them if they don't. And that happened, and Motown got me a tour bus.

Next thing, I knew, I was the most unworthy R and B artist on tour with Fat Joe and Big Punt. Yeah yeah, yeah yeah. And then and then when all this ship happened at Many seven and I needed to move from that apartment to Harlem, who gave me first month's last month security. We've never heard this, We need you to save yeah yeah yeah, Big Punt gave me first months last month security. Come up to my office,

the check will be there. And I never I always knew it was like you know, I knew it was a deeper love, like you know, I'm too young to like identify what it actually is, but I'm old enough to know there's something there that's like, it's beautiful. Yeah, we kept it clean. It's never physical, which is which is like we need to make that clear. You know, we never had sex, we never kissed, we never did anything. But there was a high level of intimacy without the sex,

which is I understand. I'm trying to promote that. I'm sorry that that was real. That was real. That's real because you know, thank you. Normy's my brother. No one ever spoke for his side until now. No I knew, I knew, I knew how he felt about it. I'm sorry. I know they're gonna hate me, like the family they got bigger. But that's that's real ship, man, I was. I saw it, like, you know, this is my sis.

So I'm saying it back like and I'm looking at like damn and like he would go involve and beyond to make like you know whatever, like you just go to the Miss Jones says like where are we going? Like let's go. I'm like okay, and I just to this day. I had no idea he put me down on his publishing. Wait wait like his regularly, like all his publishing, I get checks on songs should not be said, wait now whole a minute. Who have been waiting? And I ain't trying to sunk up my ship? But it's done.

It's done. It was his choice, right right, Yeah, absolutely, he put me down like I live, Jalen, you live off of the royalties of big pun. I just I knew how he looked at her. I knew how he saw. I didn't know anything else, and I didn't want to know anything else. It wasn't my business. But I could never take away from how he looked at us, how he saw, how he treated up every single, single single moment. So now we get a little deep, it's gonna be a little weird. But what how did you feel like

when he passed away? Like you know, I passed out at the funeral and they had to pick me up off the floor. Definitely remember that it was it was we had just come off tour and it was like two months later, and yeah, it wasn't a lot of pain. It was in a lot of pain more than physically. That's what fox me up. When I went to the casket, that's what the brothers told me. They said, he's he was in pain. I never see him physically in pain.

I never I saw him. You know, I saw him go to sleep like and later on I figured out that was knocking. But I've never seen him fully in pay. So you know, if you could give me some that you saw him and so he used to I mean, we used to have conversations about his relationship with his mom, his relationship with his mom. Well, boys relationships with their

mom's told you, men, it's how you. I loved how you looked, and said, boys relationship with their moms at when you're young, that's what forms your relationship with women. Your relationship with your mom. Go ahead. He just used to discuss and open up about his relationship with his mother. At that time. It wasn't the greatest and you know, maybe they needed time to grow, but he didn't live beyond that. So they were still trying to figure things out.

And I was never I wasn't judged men. So because like us as people of color, we are born into trauma. We're born into trauma and it becomes ordinary. We face trauma. We dress up for the wake and the funeral and then after like three days, we have to go back

to work with school like nothing has happened. And this is how we're raised, and we grow and it becomes normal and you don't see that their ship that wasn't addressed, and so we go through life and then you get older and that ship that's not been addressed, you just carry it. So he was dealing with a lot of pain. So I just want to actually straight up, I'm just being honest because this is something a question I cannot get answered. He told you he was in pain. Wow.

And he told me why. He told me what happened leading up to and he discussed the weight gain and what prompted that, and he told me when I met Pun, he was not overweight. He was like yeah, he was swelt like like Verry and he and he um. So I didn't meet the overweight Pun. I met that Pun and he liked me then, but I didn't know he liked me then. He was in a talent show at the Victoria Theater theater up in Harlem, and he had jumped off the stage. I was a judge and was

doing his song to me. But I saw the talent then, so I'm giving it up just because he was talented. He remembered, he remembered, I met you blah blah blah blah blah blah blah. And then some accident happened in the lawsuit and yeah, so you know. But so he would share that with me, and I don't judge, because I just don't judge, Like who then am I to judge? But we used to have barbecues at my Manhattan apartment, Brandy.

Everybody would come and he would ask that I'm put his plate to the side because he knew that people would be watching him while he was eating, and he didn't want that. You don't want that distraction. You don't want that, you know. And and I got it because fuck them, I'll put your plate to the side. But I don't know that he had that type of transparency with a lot of other people, and he knew he could trust me with it, because again I ain't judging,

So I think that encourages the love. It was intimacy without sex, without physicality, without oh I'm a fuck, It was none of that stuff. It's just it was other people. There's always other people. We talked about a few circle back. I'll never tell you, but so you know. So it was like um and and and he took me on his back struggling r and B artists and put me on his song, came on my song to a street remix, made motown, get me a tour, bus, hotel rooms, um

uh everything, street team, everything. And if it hadn't been for Pun, I probably would have never experienced going on tour. I was beautiful man. For me, that like the outside looking in, you know, I was never like and you guys conversation. I just see you guys just like you guys are like pomp heads. You know. I didn't know, you know, I do. I knew it was. It was something respect. You know, it's because an outsider, which is

close to perm. Yeah. And I was just like, all right when I see that, I was just like I always felt back. It was a special it's a special commodity. What is that? Yeah? But oh man, this is so let's go. Let's let's up about you right there. What's up? What's up? Man, queens flip that's the day of the show. Put the script podcast, the script podcast. Okay, so how did you get started? Yeah, let's keep you up. Drink pretty your family to your family, pretty much. We love

what you're doing. You too, So let's it's um that's the beginning of the podcast. Yeah, I mean, so me, me and Queens Flip is you know, good friends for like fifteen plus years now. So I met him. He was doing music. He was rapping DJ it was wrapping. He was rapping. He was wrapping some songs on YouTube. Sorry, Flip, sorry, Flips, it's gonna be bad. He might be a little mad,

but but he's always mad, you know. So like so like many people who who know Queen's Flip, when you first meet him, it's kind of like he gives you like a little test or I called the test flight. Everybody who's he's close to he kind of like presses you a little bit. When I first met him, he kind of pressed me about playing song, and we had like a little I'm like yea, you know, like like it out of here? Yeah, do you have big tapes

hit me? Yeah? Yeah? Makes say but he wanted hit song played at this Uh at Rochester had a Rochester Day, Rochester Day and Queens, so he wanted to get his song played. Yeah, so you want to get his song played? Uh? I wasn't d J my friend was DJ said like, you'll tell you man to play the record. I'm like, yeah, bro, like come on, he's pressing me. So from this is when we kind of first started to get cool back then.

But the podcast started because um, I had my own radio show that that got uh like serious satellite all dover to the row. He was a call his radio like type of ship was on DTAX. We actually interview on dtver the So I don't want to you on DTF. We interview years ago, So that that show stopped, and then um people kept saying, yo, you want flip do you do your own show? That's your man, right, he going viral, going crazy? You and his personality is kind

of different. It'll mesh, you know what I'm saying. So we did our first episode about four years ago. Who was that with? So our first episode, you know, he wanted to come out of the gate. You know. His idea was the make some noise and and get a little crazy. Not yet the gangsters came a little later. Episode one we have we had a girl uh give a little bit of you know, yaw ya on camera

without crashing. Yeah. Episode one, you know, because we felt like, you know, the podcast game is going crazy right now. We got people like you know, Charlotte Magne, these other guys who are doing shows, Envy, you know, they're doing their podcast who we kind of wanted to make a name for ourselves. So we started out by by interviewing the guy, um while he was to give what the guy was receiving, we did to do with him and see if wait wait wait wait a second, a second.

So that was the game. That was like episode one. Y'all set it up like you're gonna get head while we give you the interview, or did it happen that the guy? So I we interviewed the escort, right, and escort as the guy the girl. The girl John walked in and then he walked in and we let them set up, let them get comfortable, and left the room.

Came back in the room and we started asking her and asking him how good she was, and you know, just to see what if she's performing to the to the her ability to see what I'm saying, drink pal. You know. We went from there to Eddie that is he gonna have to step it up, man, let me tell you step it up. From there. From there, you know, we had a bunch of the guests on the show, and then um, somebody stabbed somebody that we got we

got to beamy. We have Bammy on the show. Right, we have Bammy and we had uh shake Davis, we had Supreme something to show some people like that. And then we realized that the oldiest wanted to see those stories hit those stories. So we started interviewing all the um' I mean, yeah, we we had we had Kevin y'alla. But the crowd, you know, the crowd is funding. I think we had our first like NYC Blood. Uh the o g s on our showing. The numbers went crazy.

So after that's all right, this is we gotta go. We gotta talking the street. But doesn't that kind of commit you to that, like once you you wanted, don't you gotta commit it to be doing everyone? Because now, alright, cool, this guy says, I'm the NYC Blood ship just familiar, but this is why I said I'm the first YC Blood. Yeah, And then this one said I'm the first NYC creb.

Like what does that bring y'all that that well, I mean, you know, we don't know who's official, right because we weren't there and writers and when everything he first started. So we get the first guy and then he co signs the next guy like, yeah, I was there with him Brooklyn cav got a coach signs, so you go that way. But of course my phone wasn't going crazy. For the rest of the world, Like everyone is saying anybody, how how tough you are. There's always someone who says

he pussy right. There's always someone tough about how rich you are. There's always someone to say you bro, that's the fact. Pussy you guys always someone to say that you don't get nothing went to But you understand what I'm saying. So so how do you balance that because I can't. Yeah. I mean, you know, like I said, we have we had guys like like like killing Cab and you know O G Nooking, you know, so be

we had them, we had them confirmed. I right, this guy's valot, this guy's valid, and then you know we try to go to uh, there's always somebody that Yeah, but I think I thought I was left him because it's now as everybody want to get the ball once because you said you said the numbers weren't crazy, so it would allude to that. That's what inspires you to keep going, Like, at what point does the numbers going crazy? Not like it becomes detrimental to what, you know, to

the platform. I mean, you know, like like I said, at a certain point, we kind of just slowed down with it. We felt like everyone in New York wanted to get their story heard, and everyone that gays do y'all. Yeah, It's like I was so happy that they came to you. I was so happy. I was like, oh, yeah, go to these Yes, yes, because I've watched it everything. He took it. We took it. And then I think we

went from there. So we started interviewing people who just came home that did twenty thirty years and did they hit their story about whether they was accused you know, uh fALS somebody that always refused their story of course, of course, of course. But you know, we went from there and just started growing and just getting different guests, and you know, we kind of ran We ran SMS Jones. You know what I'm saying, something down a whole new uh uh show with miss Jones. They got a whole

new show. Yeah, Queenslip and Jones Thursday, So it's on Thursday nights. He calls it me and Miss Jones, I call it the King and I and we just like the group, The King and I remember the Nobody. Remember the King and I. I thought that was dope. That group was dope. Well it was the artist. It was

one artist at right. But no flip flip Thursday nights nights and let me ask yourself, because you say you've got something on Monday, that's my reunion job, Miss Jones, reunion if you want, where did you drop your audio of that? So we tape it Sunday night me dj n V from the Breakfast club. Like Sean, Yeah, sometimes Ebro, you know, he's shakes, he's the reporter, he's the edge

of the ship. No, he comes on the show, but he's like after he caught COVID, he like fell back and I didn't want to push and like the core of the show is me Enva, Mike, Sean. Anyway, so we do every Sunday. Last week we had every Week's really a good guy man, please me, please, still gotta stop coming to his house. He gotta stop. So so I just want to tell you that Envy has not shown up for the last two weeks because he thinks

that I'm down with Flip in these skits. Yes, okay, that's that's that's Flip and Envy is playing these skits out. I'm not there, bro, I don't do So they knew of each other, but their main connection is me. So I'm like Envy, he's good, and Flip wanted this first from beating. So I introduced that we don't believe this, Miss Jones will be an earnest. Well, we see Flip up over the game, but here's what happens. And he said, come come for the verse on Wednesday at three, right,

Flip shows up Monday at one, So I believe that point. Yeah, and then he showed up early, like early with the bullshit and so but now it's funny, like I look forward to the Envy and and and Flips gets in. I don't know, but Envy's like, oh, he showed me phone records. You're talking to him twenty minutes before he breaks in my house. He brought a mariachi band and you didn't say nothing. And so I'm just trying to like, yeah, honest,

can I have a bottle to go? You could have this bottle to go for you right there, I am, But do you want to wanting to drink right here, Like I said, I sip because it just black because I was doing the said a little bit, which, yeah, because I was doing the then I need to sip a bit. Listen, this is this is blackways. I'll have a sad Yeah you can take that to go. Yeah the whole cop oh the better. So so what was wanted? What was your interview? You'll wish your did what we

didn't do. I think it could be politically direct right there, man, easy, I know, I know, I know because on the podcast right if you see like flippers, the one that's I'm the one that's kind of like mellow. So a question like that for me is like to answer that as like tough. But you know, we here, we drink chance man, um haven't been here. This is your drinks, that's your shot.

That's two different things. There's an interview did that I couldn't get here because the guests because the guests didn't want to to be heir it okay? Who um? Terry Woods, the author, the book author, Why what does she write? She wrote, black Man? She wrote true to the game, true to the game. That's the people because wait a minute, he would you better say, I mean you asked me what an interview? We regret that we did. So she comes to the part I regret it because we couldn't

hear it. What happened something? I think it was a great show. It was a great time. Um uh. After after the interview, she called and felt like we asked the crazy questions and she didn't like the questions whatever she didn't want Can you give me a example of garth the crazy questions? But we can be kind of asked a lot of the same questions we all, I guess, like you know about when it came up and you know, uh not like drink chance where he was like, did

you eat? As I be honest, I don't actually we asked, I be honest. You eat a lot of EA ain't gonna come, but you eat asked. I'm gonna pick either, but you've ate asked, never asked before. The night is still young? Yeah, Mary, I tell you carry on now. I jumped always come on you big now now crazy right now? I think I think one of the questions we asked her was uh because her whole come up when she was grinding like that, we asked her did

she sleep with anybody? On the way up and she said no. We asked her again, but we done to all our guests. We asked some questions about their past and who they you know, who they slept but when they you know, did this without of that? But she kind of. But we had a great interview. It was great, We had fun. She left, she was happy, but um, I said, regretted because like, you know, I feel like I wanted to put that show up. It was it was a good time, was good in view. We had

a good time. She she felt away afterwards that we were coming at her and we were talking down the of the advocate. For one second. I've been in this gate twenty two years. No one's ever asked me who I slept with. And I think asking a woman that is he's the crazy. I'm so sorry. So I'm just trying to but I asked her that three times. This is my sister, and I said that three times. She didn't even think of that to ask me back, Well, you didn't ask that, No, I asked, no, not asked directly.

I just said, you know, and that's what I'm saying. So you don't think that's like advantage of sometimes like but like all right, so, because like, so if I would. What I'm saying is, I'm write a couple of the Queze Flip Show y'all and y'all don't think. I don't think you'all would ask me that we would? And why would you ask her that you wouldn't ask him a shot? We actually we don't ask You don't ask you what fun?

So I'm telling you you shot you be talking about this ship I've been watching, Yeah, and then who ima who? I pushed it so but you never you never blow so one thing like you said, you asked me, that's fun? You asked me joining at three time you said, yeah, she won't I feel like she won't leave him, and be like, oh no, in three different ways. Ask me why he tried to keep that I know how to do it. Yeah, but but she won't feel the way though. You know, I don't think you leave here feeling the way.

Do what I'm saying, I'm so will you asked when you said you'll ask, I asked you did you do? She? Actually? Yeah, she would know what I'm saying. When he said to Tebry what yeah, you said you let it too, that you asked her. Yo, You're sleeping somebody to get to the top. But in those words, I like that, she responded. She responded that question. The whole interview was done. We did the whole interview and we left, and it shows up. She's like, you had a great time. This was dope laughing,

you know. And then I guess she went home and thought about it. She went home and spoke to somebody and it said, don't use it. Yeah, I can't post it up. YadA, I don't. I don't appreciate what you guys did. You guys, you guys conduct a bad show, YadA, YadA. Don't give us all these bad reviews. I'm gonna form potius to her, like, yo, right the show comes out, they're telling you bad show. Didn't come out yet, So

how did they telling you bad review? Well, she's seen bad reviews as far as like, she feels like, we don't conduct a good show, we don't ask good questions and things like that. When we already did the whole interview and she told us that we had to shad a good time, she signed a release. No, no, just kid came side. At least right now, let listen be great, you guys says it's good. Yeah, yeah, listen, hold on, you know that's real, and it happened sometimes, Like I said,

happens all the time. It happens all the time, and women starting faith and she would staring chair herself with me. So I was even though that question I asked it was a little distasteful. She knew it was a show, but she was surprised that I wasn't more jonesy with her. But I feel like that was Stevie j more so. So you don't know, and you would not have know. Would I have known if it was an outside influence that after the fact said fall backccess, don't let that

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