Episode 263 w/ Peter Rosenberg

Trink up, motherfuck, motherfuck? What did good for you? Hold these? It's your boy and what up is d J E f and his Drink Chess motherfucker yap Yalla makes a look. Now, this guy is when you talk about a person who got in the game, belongs in the game, and stays in the game. He started out, I want to say, as an Internet troll, that's what they say when you google when you kind of kinda kinda Then he started doing like weird Vaden Weeko, like making songs over his name.

He s doing songs over then then then he then he somehow got on Hot ninety seven. Then from there he's got on the most powerful show on Hot ninety seven and he still controls the show on Hot ninety seven Corps still late. What's he dropped the album? Which is the most I felt broke immediately listening to the album really really made you feel like something about listening to the album, Yes, this guy, this guy represents real,

real hip hop. Later on, not only has he had the hip hop, but then he went on to w W E. I know he got WrestleMania belt in his pocket right now. Lost it? No, I lost the title, but I had. That's not hard. Not only does it get w W E checks, he also gets ESP and Walt Disney checks. That's the reason why he's a smoker. He's not gonna smoke today, is watch. Not only that, we have to thank him because at the beginning we

thought the word podcast was just means nerd. It did and if it wasn't for you on your half safe of sounds me and if and probably would be sitting here right now today. So we want to thank you tell your face because you are indeed the pod fall. I I appreciate that very much. So me and you are friends. Were we were great, but a lot of people don't know how you started was you remaking records over. So I had been in radio for a long time

and I was fired from radio many times. And on one of these occasions that I got fired from radio, I started doing a podcast, which was even this is years before one app so podcasts were nothing, I mean being basically I mean just after kind of. And then I started making some YouTube videos and I made some silly ass parodies and right around that time, so you were weird. That was I did I did. I did a cover of Jim Jones balling, called bowling bowling terrible

but but kind of good in a terrible way. And then I did one about Duke basketball that got really big, like that ship really hit. I dropped it the week the torn It was one of those rare times in life where you come up with a plane from d C. But isn't a duke from NC, correct, So I thought it was from I went to Maryland and we fucking hated Duke at the time. That rivalry was crazy. So

I made this video. We dropped it the day the tournament started, so I sent it out to everyone, and everyone when they sent there like you know, they're betting pool emails. Everyone who hates Duke, which is everyone who didn't go to Duke all forwarded this ship around and it ended up getting a million views, which in those days today it would be like getting a hundred. Yeah, it was fucking gigantic. So then I get a phone call for someone and he's like, yo, um uh, this dude,

Ebro wants to talk to you. He's seen your videos. Okay, Now Ebro is the PD at the time or empty he's m D and then Days the director for people who don't know he was next to the Days. Later, I read in one of the trades Ebro Darden named program director. So I'm like, oh, ship, the guy who wants to talk to me just got named boss. So ebro Um invites me up to eighty seven. Now keep in mind years earlier I had forced my way up top eighty seven to go meet the old p D,

John Dimmick. Okay, that's before Tracy, after Tracy, before Ebro and I got up there and I was I was like, I want to be on the station so bad. He was like, oh, that's great, you know, but you have no experience and you know, keep working and good luck, Ebro. I go see Ebro and he's like, yo, I want you to, um, come up and try to produce. We wanna we want a new producer for Miss Jones show. And this is Miss Jones an afternoon or Misses in the morning, okay, And he's like, we want you to

do Miss Jones show. And we see that you know how to use the internet and that's new and we want to, you know, see what you can do. So I come up there, I go to do Miss Jones show. And she doesn't like you. That is the kindest way of putting. She did not funk with me at all. Um. I got up there and Envy was with her, and thank god for Envy, who was like, yo, bro accommodating welcoming Miss Jones. He was like, you probably shouldn't even

be in the studio when she gets here. I spent two days sitting in a studio next to the studio. She just didn't vite with you. It was she she thought. She came up to me and she was like afterwards, she was like, what are you like some sort of sucking spy for Ebro. By the way, in retrospect, she was probably right, right. I mean, you guys bringing me into maybe be a producer or whatever, and I didn't know how to produce anyway. So a couple of days later, I'm home and Ebro calls me, and I remember I

was standing, he's a guy back. Good news and bad news. Bad news is the Miss Jones thing is not gonna happen. I was like, I really didn't think that would work out anyway. The good news is I want to have you do a Sunday Night show where you play like you know, you're like underground hip hop. And I was like, that was the greatest phone call in my life. That would if it if it had only been the Sunday Night Show. I was good how ninety seven cracking and Mike was my I grew up on just wanting to

be flex. So when he was like, I'm gonna give you a Sunday Night show, was like I picked the music. He was like, yeah, you picked the music. We'll do some video stuff. You can make some video content for us, and uh. And that was it, because that's what's interesting about the album When when I hear it, it's like, you know, we have Fat Joe on here recently, and Fat Joe said, you know, every producer, every radio personality, everyone has the same access to the same people. Right.

So it's a particular way how comic makes his music. I feel like I was a particular way how you made this album was you went and you put Hot Night seven to the side, and you said, forget how Tony seven, I'm gonna do with real late represents, and I'm gonna do But what what makes you say, because why why wouldn't you like, at the end of the day, anybody would give you a verse, right, because because they

want to be on on on a brow in the morning. Right. Okay, so for for most part, let's just say for the most part, but what makes you say to yourself, you know what, I'm gonna go back to hip hop and I'm gonna do it the way I feel it fit. What makes you do that? I just don't know. I just I've made I had tried to make some commercial records a couple of years ago. I actually have one in the stats. That's crazy that I love. I'm sitting on it right now. So vibes Cartel French Montana record.

It's fucking awesome. It's produced by Harry Fraud. It's to me, it's a fucking Eastern Parkway, you know, later that weekend a lot of coconut oil. But it was just like to me, I was like this would come out of nowhere to people, you know, if I just dropped a commercial record. And and then also honestly, it's about do you want to chase people or do you want to

get people want to be on your ship. So about a year and a half ago, two years ago, I started listening to my boy, this dude named top Shelf Premium. That's his his Instagram account. He's a vintage closed dealer in New York. He always has artists come to a store freestyle, and he started sending me music from my show. And so I started getting up on all these new cats.

Right around the time Griselle just scorching, etcetera. And so I was like, Yo, instead it chasing other people, let me go back to what I did putting people on. You know what I'm saying, like people who when they hear the record on the radio still get excited like

it means something to them. So when I started working with these artists a little while later, like yeah, I could get all these guys on the record, and then I can go get the legends who I funk with who will give me some verses and I can bring all of the ship together. He's got gholst Face, got great Kwan, got Jim Jones, Yeah, met the Man Style and then Fleelord Rock Marcy. So I was like, I can put them all together on one project and it will be organic. It'll be me, am I gonna make

a million dollars. No, no, you're not gonna make a million do I'm not gonna make But I immediately listen and immediately went back to sorry to compare you, But it really went back to stressing. Oh yeah, sure, I overlooked everything else and I went back. One thing I love about the college album's college albums. Some people hate this. I love it. I personally love it because I feel like he put a bunch of hits together and and it and it resonates right. So it reminds me of

an old king. Pret was my favorite back then getting to kicking pre tape. The thing you think about your album is the exact opposite. By the way, That's kind of what I hope people say. Okay, and I love Kalin like I respect Kalin, I love him personally. I don't want people to think it's like a Kalid album, you know, like it's for me. I wasn't about scoring the biggest names. It was like the thing I'm most proud of. It's a cohesive hip hop album. It's not

some fucking soundtrack where each song sounds different. You would think all these cats work together and we're in a zone together. They weren't like, it's a great, it's a great, it's a great, it's a great. Um synergy. When it comes to the Beach, I can tell you personally picked the beast at my correctness is a perfect Like that's the word to use. And I think there's something to say that that's what Kalid does, That's how he makes

his living. He those those gotta be hits gotta be I'm saying, I'm assuming that you're like, this album is not gonna make you or break you. This is a PASSI. I's been in his house and out on East Side West Side, by the way, my apartment now is way better than Okay, no likely, I'm not rich in hip hop terms, but I'm good enough that I don't have to worry about it. And it's to me. It's all, It's all bus I said. I just hope one day people come up to me and they're like, Yo, that

fucking real late album you dropped. That ship was fucking fire and there are people on it, you know, Like rock Marcy right now is a legend, and a lot of people don't know that Rock Marcy is occupying the space that cats like Dila and Doom, the space they were in. That's who rock Marcy is right now. And I have him on the project with Fleet Lord, and Rocky is producing as well. He does, but he's not on this. Okay, Yeah, I got him my boy Disco Vietnam.

I got my boy who's a forty year old Jewish man living on Long Island, Jewish the first time to make no right time. Yeah, yeah, that's right. I remember Glamy too. I don't know if you know. So you can feel comfortable. You don't say what I'm saying. I'll do it to pick up the arrogantick up the gag. God damn it. But okay, voting around boom. Now there comes the time in Summer Jam history when you fuck Summer Jam up. Let's just s throw it out there. It's a time for me to pop U bottles. We

want you one, you want me to come. Let me hear it ghost first and now okay, literally a bunch of people. Yeah yeah, pop spade. You know you gotta prove listen. I didn't. I didn't. You gotta prove listen, listen. I didn't think you can get a lot of arts don't get approved. Maybe more they don't, just table. So I had to make a phone call. You know what I'm saying. So which one you want to go to? The gold? Okay? But you know that this is more expensive.

This is the road. Okay, Yeah, it's gonna take this because I don't want him to feel jerks like when people see him, like why did he pick the gold? He didn't know the pile. So I want so you still want to to pick? I only drink that one, okay, Okay, So so summer jams, summer jam. So you sunk this up. This is what was in my opinion, because in my opinion, this is just my hunting opinion. I can see you, my friend, So I want to told you this off the side. What it was wasn't the timing. It wasn't

what you said. No, it was the timing of what you said in place and how you said and the fact is this is your headline, correct, this is a yes. This is a female who automatically, I don't want to say just sensitive because he's a female. But in this situation, you know, she's a queen of New York. This is the New York number one station and you get along. What was it? Was it the afternoon? No, that was the festival stage, So it was Kendrick was about to

come out on the festivals. You picked up Kendrick. So as part of my way of hype being the crowd for Kendrick. You know, I'm a wrestling fan. It's all about, it's all about, it's about what it's in wrestling. We call it cheap heat, which, by the way, is the name of my podcast, Subscribe Everywhere. Cheap Heat me and sheep cheap like heat pets to say, you bring it

back to pets, let's go. So cheap heat means in wrestling, if you want to get the crowd hot at you, that's called heat, right, So bad guys want to get heat. The cheapest way to get heat is to get out in the crowd and say, the bad guy comes out in Miami and goes, I can't stand Miami. I'm from New York whatever. And if you want a cheap pop, the way you come out is you're like, it's so great to be here in Miami. These are cheap, cheap

and cheap pops. I was doing both. I was really going for a cheap pop because I know that the crowd that's there to see Kendrick. When I say fuck Starships, I know the crowd is gonna cheer for that. So it's for you right now. Thank you for your bottles. By the way, I don't think we got heat in hip hop. I'm sure. I don't think we do well, maybe not, You're right, I mean it ends up being expensive.

I'm sure. Okay, So I tried to pop the crowd by saying, now, listen, the truth is I had already been on the radio dissing Starships at that point for months, right, And you gotta realize us as artist, right when we have a relationship with you guys, when you just the record, we don't. We don't feel like you're dissing the record,

but like dissing us. And I had no relationship with personal well, so it's even worse in some ways because I had at that time, I didn't know Nikki at all but Abril Nick and yeah, but remember your guilty black associated Well then, but remember Nicki's not even really in New York that much of that time, right, She's moving around, she's blowing up, she's still queen, and she's hearing it from people though that's what people go. So I make a joke, right like I used to make.

I used to tease Nick, you know if you sip that? But hm, so Nikki at that time, you know what she would do like sort of her voice that she would go into I got Monster Cipher and I when we do the show, we would sort of like tease that, but not like we were shipping on it. We would, but it really wasn't shipping on it, like we thought she was dope. But when her friend, when people hear it, and I'm like, yo, the fucking Safari came up to people are telling her people talk ship So she already

wasn't working with us. And then I did Starships and I'm like, what is this record? Blah blah blah and twelve so people wasn't going live, so this is this this So this is not like she could have went and look at someone's Instagram. So people aren't going live. Oh they're hearing it's still weird. Unless it was a clip we put up. She she wasn't gonna hear it. So and I didn't like Starships, and I stand by that.

I think history kind of proved me right on. I mean, even though she made a bowload of money on it, did really well, it wasn't It wasn't a record that I liked. Now I admit I did not at the time think of sort of the implications, you know, me being a man, being a white man who she doesn't know. It wasn't even all that established yet shipping on you know, her record. I now realized sort of the privilege that was built into that. But at the time I'm just reping for it. To me, it's hip hop all day.

And while I'm regretful about some of those situations, let's be honest. If I wasn't the kind of person who said ship like that, I wouldn't ever be here right now. If you don't have enough swagger and stupid, ill advised confidence to talk shit, you're not interesting. And I had to show listen all the rappers who wanted to funk me up in the first few years most of which

I'm close with now President Company included it. It all came from a place of like, I just had stupid confidence that I deserve to be here and should have the conversation. In retrospect, I could see how now that would be considered problematic, but at the time I was just a guy who's like I trying to get on. I've studied the game and I'm gonna give my opinions, and that's what Ebro wanted me to do. So I was just doing what I thought I was supposed to do.

But let's just be clear, alright, cool, let's take a way to fact that she's a girl. That's a good way of the fact that, um, she's a queen. Y right, that's a good way to fact for that right now. Just the fact that it was the headline, Yes, that's a stupid part. And it was streaming on her website. Oh wait a minute, what so she was streaming like because website. At the next thing, I know, the next thing I know, I'm on the side of the stage. It comes up to me where shows about to start.

Heroes like you do you say something about Nikki on the festival stage and I swear to god. I was like, I didn't remember. I was like, oh, yeah I did. I did. I talked about starships. He was like, yeah, she pulled out of the show. And I was like, the next second I go on my phone, I opened up Twitter. I just see trending Peter Rosenberg. I was like, well, this is not good. Um, she's not doing the show. And so the first thing I'm worried about, naturally is

my job. You know, I've only been there a few years at that point, and I'm like, I just cost us NICKI Minaj at summer Jam. That was fucking stupid. And You're right, the time in place was ridiculous, and I just wasn't being thoughtful. It was just fucking stupid. Had rectified that situation, had to apologize, right, didn't there or that was no one? No one even considered that, you know, and this is where hot you know listen, Ebro and Flex both neither has a small ego either.

So while while I'm sure they might have been upset with me on some level, though neither ever said they were upset with me, they both just went the other way. It's like it's like the brothers in Blue Leg They said, well, it was like the that's anyways, you know, I think they went with like, oh they're pulling out that we're hot ninety seven. No one's pulling out on our ship. It's summers GM. So they took that approach of defending me, and then of course they got messy because all young

Money pulled out. You know, Buster was not happy with me. You know who I do have a great relationship with, and he was not happy. That was one of the many times I've busted was on cash Money at the time. Okay, and guess who else was Kalid? So you know, people weren't happy, but um, at the same time, everyone was cool in the long run. You know, it took some time with Nicky to smooth things over because you did eventually apologize to correct I did, and she did. I

watched the video again recently. She definitely son the living ship out of the situation. A year later, before summer, jam Ebro sets up this whole thing for me to go come face to face with her. First of all, Ibro had to be there, which is I don't know if she was doing a little bit, Nicky might have suck you up. I'm just doing it up, you know. What it probably help. So I went to put my money and I just sat there one on one with her, and she just sort of, well, you intimidated. Nicky seems

a little intimidated. She is, Nikki is super intimidated. And in that moment, I was, I was shook, and I took my lumps and said, I'm sorry, and she said, you're not smart, You're not funny, You're this, you're that, and honestly, not all that's true. I am rather smart, but it's okay. I understand why you're not feeling me.

I apologized, and yeah, and then the truth is, though I don't talk to Nicky anymore, the truth is we had a period after that, over a couple of years where we were actually pretty cool, Like we would actually text and talk about music and I would a loose coming I want Sexton with Nicki and up, no, no, that ship comes up green now. But you know, we had a period where we were cool, and like even the next year at Summer Jam, um, like we talked on stage and I don't know, I actually felt the same.

You know, when you beef with people or have a feud with someone, once you make up, there is some sort of odd kinship that exists. Like, I'm not saying NICKI likes me. I don't know how Nicky feels about me at all, but I know that at that time I definitely felt some level of closeness, you know, through some ship and you through it and we both and by the way, for the record, as mad as she was at me after that whole ship, her next album was her most hip hop and most successful. She bodied.

Her next album was the next I think the next one was Pink Friday or was it Pink Print. I love how you grabbed the phone thinking instead of thinking how we used to do it so fucked up. It's so fund up that you are literally correct. That is what I do now all albums. At this point, you're taking credit for that next album. You know you're a good radio host. It was it was she no Pink Friday Roman Reloaded might have been the one with starships on it, so it would have been the next one, um,

which was um the pink Print. Okay, um No, I'm not taking credit and I try efn. You've really developed White the host. However, I do think that there that that sis you a shan maybe impacted her on to some level, and she was like y'at into the hip hop ship. And let's be honest in subconsciously nicky with bart but we all want to I can't lie when I love her. I love her singing. I love her doing the pop ship because me being from Queens and no one where you know she comes from, I know

what that's secured in the bag. But at the end of the day, I do love when when she spits. But a part of me, you know, to be honest, like I said, when I've heard from her, like the first five records of the album, I was like, it reminded me of the days where I got nowhere. So sorry, you know that is the It was disrespect and it's thought because it's what got you where you want, the war reports, and they got me nowhere. Nor to the reports, no, no,

prior to the war report. Not to actually worry port, but prior to the war report. What it is is when you were yo boils your y buzzle without the buzzle well, by the way, and by the way, your war report is the most hardcore underground should ever my ship sounds like the pink print next, I mean like like you don't get a twitch to story. You dropped the hardest album of Oh No. But I literally listened to your joint and I was like, wow, I just

uh Fat Scoop had a late night show before. It reminded me of that, like the late night show with Fat Man's school, like pre Case Slay, pre Case Slay. And it was like, you know, I'm not saying the album saying me like when I was when I was making that type of music, making it that way, I just couldn't get nowhere. And that's the thing is like you know nas is Uh, it's a unicorn so to speak. Uh, Kendrick is a unicorn. J Cole. It's a camouflage unicorn.

Like the way he's a camouflage unicorn like I've never even heard of. It was like the way the way cold spits and he gets nice and nice as he makes more money and more money. Um no, he's getting drunk right now. We're doing shots next. Um yeah. It was that water, holy water. He said, you asked for water, right, that is that water? Is it not? Spread? We didn't have water? You can we can find a water. So

he's gonna make you some systems. So my I guess my question is and it's gonna sound funked up with me. Because I believe in lyrics. I come for it, But why should this young generation really believe in it? Like, I know I could get this coming back, but why Okay? So I have that okay, because the difference is in your era it was very hard. You might get an ill labeled deal, which is interesting case you get this upfront money ballah, but then where do you go from there?

The beauty is now, Nori. You can be a middle class or upper upper middle class rapper. You can be a guy who who who his stream ships on a medium level and label needed and radio playe needed. You know, you don't even need a radio song, and you go do shows and you can do five hundred theaters all year round, travel, make money to Europe, Go to Europe, go to Japan. So like, I actually think the opportunity for the artists that are on my record, it's better

now than it ever was in your day. Because even when you were putting out the most hardcore ship, you still were hoping, well, don't play and watch people do they even hear it as somewhere else? Like that that's the crazy ship. Like, but there was a monopoly by the record labels to get this music out and sold. You gotta realize, if I didn't go to that place, I didn't see it, Like I didn't know anybody played. Like literally, I did not know people played my record

in Virginia. I literally even know people may pay my record in d C. Because if I didn't actually get there, there was no way for me to do that. And if the record labels knew it, they weren't telling me. So I thought I was hot in New York City, the whole word. Boy, I never knew people in Jamaica, not Jamaica Queens is listening to this ship. I didn't know that. So, like the algorithms, all that ship didn't

exist right now, and now it does. So I do think we're still not getting the technical numbers, like when we're looking at the streams and all that. And also and also yeah, like you and believe me, I can tell like I can already tell that my streams are gonna be a harder ride than it is for some people. You can see the system so rigged. Because my ship is organic. My ship is getting listened to the amount

of is not organic. Listen to it twice today is yeah, like I saw it said it said one listen to Miami. I'm like, dad, it was I listened. I got to yesterday. You know, yesterday I felt he listened to half okay, so so but all right, so you said lyricists and al right, cool, you know when I you know, it's

the l thing. The other day, I'm sitting there just randomly listening to my I pod, which is my iPhone, just got songs don't repeat, excuse me on shuffle, and these NAS songs come on and I literally can't picture these beats without NAS on there, which was different like right now, I heard some but do so I think it was t pay and say, yo, we should just think the produces right now because the beat is hard, We're not no one's really paying attention. They pay attention

of melody. But is that something that's a problem. Like back then, the beat would be of it, The lyrics would literally be the other fifty percent of the beat. Right now, we're just listening to the melody. And and because you play a lot of it, yeah, we do in the morning. I mean, I'm not gonna lie. I'm embarrassed to say how little of it I know in the Morning, like I have become that guy. Like I'm scared.

I don't even want to give Ebro the idea of like, let's quiz Rosenberg on what we're playing right now, because I really unless I hear pop smokes voice, I've been listening a Little Baby, I don't know who the funk we're playing. I've been listening to Corey right for a month. I had no idea that was. I didn't know she talking about my man has been. I knew that almost in this record, I didn't know, like it's I think it's It's not that I think it's bad um at all.

You know, people enjoy it. It's and and by the way, there are great rappers right like I think Little Baby is a great rapper, right little Baby, um, the Baby, the Baby Baby and has ill Baby. It's an interesting guy. But a little Baby is like an MC. A little Baby can wrap his ass off. And he's on the Coal album. He bodies the Coal album. You know, I think Roddy Rich is an ill in general, you know, with everything he does. So it's not about that you

have to be rapping in a traditional sense. I just I just want to see ship be creative. And don't and like you know, sometimes there's good Ship and Black Front Cold Black by the way, yeah, I have even Cold Black both, y'all. Yeah, he doesn't matter me. Yeah, but by the way, I was very into Kodak's music. I love that Patty Cake ship so much, like that record, so ill, like no, Kodaks pretty ill, to be honest with you, he's ill. Awkward moment, but I'll i'll, i'll rapper.

There's a bunch of them that I think are really dope. But listen, I'm always gonna t J. T J is dope. A little t joke with c J. I've always hell with c J two. But I mean I'm not looking far and Fabrio Fabio far fly you know, you know, I'm just like you, just like you actually got it right for you? Who was five years dream Doll? I love dream Doll, Dream Dolls dope. Actually she can wraps him. Um, it's it's about it's about who has the story though,

who's really interested? You too? You too much into wrestling in boxing. That's that's what's real, you know, what's crazy thing. It was a great show on HBO called twenty four seven. Oh yeah, it's great and I don't know if you remember. They would take seven, would take the most non interested

person true and make him interested. And I agree with you to a certain stip, but I don't want us to create the story because that's the only thing seven I would be mad at is they would take a note interested in person, make him interested in and then seven is old the person is not interesting again. The thing is, I want to just to get you don't wanta watch the fight, would just gives you to watch

and fight. The thing is, I wanted people to create the real narratives, take the real narratives and do that. And so that's what you're saying, these rappers are not having a story, right, I think, I think, I think they may have stories, but social media makes it look like all their stories are the same. It's not that I'm saying that's what it's not going to carbon copy. It's not that I think none of them are interesting

or have a live a life to speak of. It's just like, because of social media and everyone basically doing the same thing, Like, there's never gonna be a time in my life when I don't find holding up money in a in an Instagram story stupid. Never like no matter how young or old I was. The idea that cats are showing money to the world to me is the craziest thing on earth. And and also, and then, not only is it stupid and dangerous, but it's boring. It's fucking boring. It's not that and what is it?

A company? Ain't gonna see me do it because I ain't got it. I ain't got it. Well you know, actually, actually Mayhem Loren has a line on my album. He says he says something like autot hold autot hold money to my heir, but best believe I got it. It's like it just doesn't make sense to me. But more importantly, from an artistic standpoint, I don't find it interesting. Like you know, I think I think a lot of people have been, whether they admit it or not, annoyed with

how much I supported Kendrick. I've heard about that constantly throughout my career, anoyed that you support him early on to the They're annoyed that I went as hard as I did there. Actually I believe the word that Lupe used was nuth hugger. Okay, yeah, okay, yeah, But but the thing is champaign cup to I have I okay, what do you guys do? Drink shout? I want you guys to know I will do one shot, but oh no, no, if that's for I'm not yea, what is it you're

giving me to? Hey, man, you can pick it. You can pick your poison. Man, this is this is hip hop. I don't know if you know. You're on a hip hop show. So it's a drinking hip hop ship. It's just man, Yeah we did, we're doing it's some yeah, yeah, yeah, coming to get to my mind? Your minds already all right? Cool? You got yours, Peter worlds where we don't know what you know. But our show is about giving people their flowers. Why they can smell them. They roses when they could

they can tell them. They drinks when they get the hell them, and they smoke when they can sell them. I don't know, I got it all wrong, said you know what I called you personally. I wanted you to be here because it's time for you to get your motherfucking flowers. By the way, on Dream Chaps, we had you know, fifty cent hair nas hair popped out of here. You're the only one who's who's telling us what amount of the shot to you us and telling us where

them mount. So at some point we're gonna break this. Don't worry about it. We're gonna I just watched Cameron turned down drinks for three hours. He and Cam had beef. He squashed it on the end. You don't have beef. We did, we did. We had a brief beat brief. I don't remember this, don't. You don't remember either, you would. All I know is something happened. You were trying to set. We were trying to arrange something and somehow you thought I was fucking blocking in some way. And all I

know is I was on set. It was very vague. Man, I wish I remember something, but something, so you don't remember either. So I was. All I know was I was on set at Hip Hop Squares and he was calling me like off, like I'm gonna come through. And we were already cool at this point. You know, we

flipped on me. It was one of those things. I thought we were good and it was a full nor even and I know we made it was cool and the end, I know you were wrong and we made it was all good because I remember going to Hollywood Squares and I think that's the first time you met Amber Rows That sounds right, Yes, Amber was there. All I know is he was mad at me and thought, you know a lot of times ship happens it hot, and because I'm the person people are cool with or no,

they get upset. That's I just keeps bobbing bottled by myself. You know. They I think when ship goes left it hot, they can take it out on the people that they know. And I'm like, I really I wish I was a boss sometimes, but like I'm not, Like I really show up and just do my job and I talk and do my do my thing. So I remember when one year Summer Jam Travis Scott called me at ten am and he's like, Rosemberg, Yo, rosembert, I need to figure out my fucking lights. They don't, they won't, they won't

hit me back. I'm trying to have a fucking crane and blah blah blah blah blah. And I was like, Travis, you think I know what the production. So I was like, here's Ebro's number, go ahead and call him. I do not do Summer Jim. But I don't think people understand that, Like they just assume my name's Rosenberg. I've been there a long time. I can get ship done, but I'm really the who's My job has always been to just be myself, and that's why I'm incredibly blessed for the

job I have. But I don't wield fucking power at HOT except to play the records I want to play bro if I wield it. If I wielded power at Hot, the playlist would look a lot different than it looks right now. Right you ever they ever try to pay you to play a record? People have? Yeah, people have? And that was a subscribe a situation. You at Houston's only been to the New York Houston's like once, um, thirty seconds, by the way, and the and they don't

it's not on the menu. But that fried chicken salad, the chicken tender salad not on the menu. It's crazy. Connected comes with me? So you said pay a lot? Yeah, so I've only had to happen a couple of times. How does this happen? You're a red lost and that No, it was actually it's all of fin outside of ninety seven is but that's the craziest part on camera. Yeah, it's like, Yo, First of all, I don't take money for records, never have, never will. Second of all, you're

walking up to me outside the front door. I don't know what ship used to be like, but that's fucking insane. But I made a deal with myself, just like I don't even have to. I would never play a whack record. I always say to people, if they want to pay me to play a record, I would say, if you send me some ship that I like, I will play the record. I don't money, I can Mr Lea who Spanish guys, the others loudest ones here. You gotta relax.

You know, Power one of five is going at it with going out of probably on five blah blah blah blah. There's this list. We don't know if this exists or not right, but some somehow Flex gets a hold of this list from what I heard, and he beat up with all the DJs, whether they bowed one on five or they had ninety seven, and he flips on them and he goes, yo, man, you know we all should be getting enough money that we should not be taking money.

One and then two because Young and May second single, I didn't get pushed because they said that dj is in New York didn't play it. Have you ever heard this story? I have never heard this because of what because because they didn't get the bag. They got the bag one of the back from from from duck down all let say from Drew h Yeah. It was crazy because what was young Inmate's first single? Oh so I guess the way all time classic? Let we need to pay for the last, don't you? Bobby Shmartin back to

back moment was fine. So this is a rumor. This is you probably not you know, they don't probably see yeah, yeah, yeah, So they went to this is the room. Okay, let's step to everyone from Power say had a meeting. He had a doulabi and like a DJ luminati me did you? And it was addressed like yo whoop. And one of the main reasons was we had a New York star, you know, Younger May and who was it? Who? Number one?

Whatever they had to do. But the second single came and every DJ felt like they didn't want to play it. This is the rumor you never remember correctly. That second single was pretty dope. It was pretty dope. I think Younger May is pretty dope period. But what I'm saying is I'm just bringing that up to say have you ever dealt with that type of ship, because of course, you know, for us New York, we ran the world. It's kind of hard for us to sit back and

watch Atlanta. It's kind of hard for us to sit back and watch any anybody in a certain state doing what they gotta do. And when we're not at the fore front. But then we realize that we're here. That's a reason why there's certain people who want to be paid Like, I think that when it comes from your own I think that should never be approached. Obviously, I'm

just giving you, actually your opinion. Yeah, it's because the way this is so boring that my answer is I have no idea, And I know I can already see the YouTube comments you have fucking right, you don't know you're the worst. Yeah, you're the one. You're that's because your father owns the whole radio station. Yeah, oh I get it all. How do your industry plan? How did you get My mom was a kindergarten teacher. She hooked

me up. But I've never been close to that ship. Whatever. Now, I've heard stories from back in the day, just like you ask me questions. No, I know for a fact, And please remember what I said, because they'll kill me for cutting you off. I know for a fact Phone maxter Flex is not do it. I've tried any which way shape from the fact. From I've tried to buy a car Rims off of him. I thought a bit anyway safe for him complex one million percent his integrity.

If he likes my record, he's gonna play it. If he doesn't like my record, he's gonna say I don't like it, He'll still play it. Once it's no bombs, there's no he's very very very suddenly. But when he does like my record, he goes in and so I can never be mad when he likes somebody else's record. But continue, I have never seen it, never heard of it. And frankly, if people say that, I think it's excuse making like we need to we need to be better in New York. We need to make better music. That's

the issue. Hold on, my brother's call him okay cool? You know Nick, I'm on drink Drink Champs right now. You want to say anything on drink Champs? Yeah? Yeah, at Nick had going on, Ni going on the guy who got me into hip hop girls? Can I call you back? What are you guys talking about nor Is asking me how can I go into a conversation be like space something. He no, No, Nick, I'm telling him the story about how our family is in the Illuminati and how I got the job at seven because Dad

rules the word. I'll call you back after that. We talk about I'm so into it. No the pay, all the stuff. Never say a secret DJ meeting. I believe it's excuse making I believe that New York just for a while wasn't making hot. Ship you as a fact what you're saying as a room. But FLEs had a meeting and told everyone you cannot take money for records. This this. He was disappointed. I heard that he had a tear in his eye because because of he didn't

he didn't know that people were actually doing that. And when he realized that, she came up with another record and he was the only one playing the godess you're saying, you're saying that something like that, I'm paraphrasing something. So basically they funked with you because it was hot. But on the next one they like, now you gotta pay this. Yeah that well that would be a fucking disgrace, And we did anyone would deserve whatever they get for that.

You know, I don't know anyone like I gotta tell you guys like the DJs, your friends with all of them, like you know from Safe Camillo enough cast trends. Like everyone I know up there has been a straight dude, like a straight up food since I got there. No, but there's something let's be clear. We're naming the naming the good cops. That's like it's like when you the good cops on the Officer Das. There's a lot of bad. But let's be honest here and this is DJ is

more integrity. But this is the thing what was created for DJ's to create some kind of situation that benefits somebody. Is the DJ Cruise. Yes, and the DJ Cruise is like mafia ship because you gotta get DMX first album

listening party. It was all heavy hit. This that was definitely the Columbo family that it may not be hail it, but it was something like that with but no, No, that's true because the cruise make it complicated because you want a whole crew to support your record, you know, and listen, I'm sure I'm gonna encounter that right now. I'm gonna be just hitting up every DJ at randomly myself being like, hey, is there anything you can play on this No, but listen, I can't ever condone a

DJ doing some ship. I've been on my own fucking island bro playing the music I'm gonna play for. I can't believe they let me do it for thirteen years. I've never been paid for my Sunday Night Joe. I make my own playlist. No one says a fucking word. I have never Oh, no, I did. I had one little period where they started telling me I needed to play hits in my show. I forgot. I was you know, I forgot that happened. And for about a year they were like, send us the playlists. It was because of

a whack boss. We had, not not ebro some like a whack dude who was there. Yes, there was a period where they were like, you need to on Sundays. We want to make sure that we're spending other records too. So I played along with them for like six months, and then slowly but surely they forgot. A new person came in and I'm no one bothers me about my ship, and I'm very grateful. Like on Sundays, I literally can shill in my house and be like, what am I playing?

You know, like when X passed got Rest of Dead, I was able to be like, I'm gonna do an hour of X on late night and yeah, and I'm gonna play the most random ship that people don't remember. I can tell them what late night, what time it comes on till every if you're in New York or anywhere in the world, you can stream it every Sunday night midnight Eastern, so it's Sunday into Monday midnights too. And I get to do whatever the funk I want.

I've done it now for thirteen years, and you know, listen, it's a weird time to get to have this gig, Like this isn't the Glory Years. I'm not. I'm not stretching Bob. I'm never gonna be viewed to stretching Bob because this isn't the Glory you know, the the era, the Golden Years. Stretching Bob. Before we go to a quick time of flying, I thought we're going to commercial. No, no, no, no, what glory is? Okay, It's just it's not. That's not

the time I've been in. Unfortunately, I've been on at the time actually where everyone's kind of moved on from the Golden era, and I've been the dude who continues to try to put my flag down for the ship that I love while growing the times. You know, I've supported all the biggest artists and not all, but a lot of the biggest artists in that over the last decade, you know, from Cole to Kendrick to Matt Miller. God

blessed the dead. Earl sweatshirt logic, a lot of it, there's been a ton of I played Odd Future for the first time. I played Frank. When you Google, you say that you first person to play earl sweat shorts and had an interview? Would the first interview ever with the earl sweatshirt Like I was trying. I was waiting for him to get back from Samoa, like that was you know when those guys are fucking Tyler's a Grammy winning legend. Yeah, yeah, you know, I think in the

exact same way. He's amazing because he's gonna do everything. I know I've been talking about him, But he's the should neglect perspective. He's artists that you are, But that's putting on because what he's saying with all the lyrics and this is that, No, you don't know the type of artists that can come out of the early odd future. Ship was the dirtiest, grimiest ship ever. Now granted it was they were sort of playing characters and they and Tyler knew what he was doing, but the bottle line,

it's musically. If you go back and watch their first videos, they're fucking breaking, teeth, bleeding and doing crazy ship in the videos. It was some real It reminded me of some fucking Onyx but m O P. We're gonna really push the boundaries. Fuck you of this is everything and it's beautiful. It was refreshing what they would do. No, it was, and so listen. The fact is I've lived a while while my radio show I don't think has ever gotten the glory and flowers that I would have

liked it too. Though, I'm deeply appreciative of you guys who have always treated me that way. It means a lot to me. And there are pockets of people who treat me that way. Did he has always been that way, bust U Swizz like there are guys, the guys who spend time in New York because they drive around like did he The reason didn't I have a relationship is because did he used to drive around at night and people don't know that did He's a fucking head and he'd be like, Yo, what is the ship to your

What did you play at twelve? You know? So it was shipped like that, That's how you discovered So yeah, he's he still has that mentality to some degree. So while I didn't always get like, you know, I don't necessarily always get the stretch and Bob treatment of like, oh, thank God for Peter Rosenberg. Ultimately my life has been filled with so many blessings because oh Asap Mob, They're

a great example. Rocky always heaps praise on me. Bronson always does too, and I'm super grateful for the ones who always the New York you know, Bronson's queens all day, Rocky and Ferger fucking Harlem. Those cats kind of understand it because they knew what it meant to hear it

on the radio. Still, we live in an era and now we're not for it doesn't mean the same thing for everyone, But the fact is the fact that I got to be around these guys, you know, like Childish Gambino, who I've played on the radio for the first time to Gambino is one of the most brilliant minds and entertainment period. You know what I'm saying, Macmillan, good, I want to be my god. What's going on? I auditioned

for Atlanta, didn't get on really. They asked me to audition for an episode of Atlanta at the very beginning. So I'm gonna tell you the story because you're gonna love this. I'm gonna working to launch you. Matt So. I hope your listeners appreciate and I know they do because y'all right now, but I hope I hope listeners appreciate the level of that one lineup that was dead pain. I feel like we're in a laundry um so so Gambino and fam Uh. They hit me up and they're like, hey,

we're putting on a TV show. We want you to audition for a part. I'm like, okay, cool. He sends me the script. I read the script. It happened. It's episode one of Atlanta playing a radio DJ. I look at the script. I read it. I look at my ex wife at the time, I'm like, they have the N word in here. I call fam Gambino's manager. I'm like, yo, guys, you put the N word in the fucking script. I don't say the N word. He goes it's called acting. I was like, I was like, fuck you, all right,

let me think about it. So I spent days thinking about what I was gonna do. Should I do it? Should I not do it? How would it play? What is the breakfast Club gonna do with the audio when the episode airs? And by the way, I would have been playing a radio personality. How many people are gonna believe it's just real? So I waived this out. I talked to Ebro, I talked to my boy Shanny Culture. I'm like, what should I do? I'm not even comfortable. I've never said I know this sounds crazy and people

don't believe it. I haven't said that word. My parents raised me from the very beginning. Makes some noise for you. My parents I used to shame. I used to shame other children if I ever heard it, Like, I just was like, my I didn't even understand. I don't understand that. My parents just said, that's the word. You don't say. So so I talked to everybody about them, like I'm not even comfortable doing this. So I talked to you Braun Sean. Everyone's like, bro, you got it if you.

I was like, I think this show is gonna be legendary, though legendary, and they're like, I knew. I knew it was. It was Donald show. I knew. So I decided to do it. I decided to do it. I practice it and practicing it. I only felt comfortable practicing it with black people. I was like, I'm not gonna sit around with another white person and practice saying the end word.

So I my boyshotty culture sounds mad awkward already, but I was like, if I'm gonna have to do this thing, we're I'm not gonna do this secluded with white people. I'm not saying getting comfortable with this. So I practiced it. I could tell he was like, this isn't that believable? And I did the audition, didn't get the part. I ran into FAM. I'm like, so what happened? He was like, I just couldn't believe he's saying the N word. I was like, bro, I told you. He was like, it's

just your two nice a guy. Because if you remember episode one, basically the DJ seems like, hey, I'm a cool DJ, and then he drops the N word because he's a douchebag, and I just wasn't able to pull off the douchebag. In retrospect, it was for the best who winds up doing it? And yeah, it wasn't a DJ, but it was like keV came in, you know, like it was no, it wasn't a DJ. So in the end, I think it's probably best it didn't happen. But I'm not gonna lie. I did want to be part of

that show because I knew it was history. Like I knew this show was gonna be that's fine, icon, that's fine. So now this is a part of the show we called quick Time of Slid, quick Timer Slung quick Time time. Yeah. So you're yeah, but you get it's just one other and you're quick yeah. Yeah. You gotta be boys, you gotta yeah. So it's one or the other. But if you want to pick both, it's great, but you gotta

take a shot. It's just the way it happens. We'll get you every everyone, everyone, everyone, Nasa jay Z shot shots shot. You pick both. You take a shot, and you can't really explain much. You just gotta sorr. I'm already running it. I'm already sucking it up. It's cooled quick tim jay z J okay, alright, cool, alright, cool, I didn't expect that barely barely okay, respect or loyalty, loyalty, alright, DMX or Tupac getting your shot ready. I don't think

you could pick either. I mean, I think I know what he's gonna know. I'm who's gonna pick. Well, it's this is hard. It depends on what thing you're looking for. But for me personally, when it comes to music, DMX, okay, alright, cool, I didn't expect that. Alright, Uh, Miami or l A l A sorry, you know you're in Miami right now, all right, I don't get that. I met Miami. I met you got to get a very quickly actually in

a room full of Miami. But I just have a credit for that one more than any of the nineties or two thousand hip hop nineties for Roll or Kanye producer or come on, how many more do you have? You got? Like? Wait? Six and more? Yeah, oh no, no, let me think for one more second, alright, cool for for alright, cool ho Hogan, this would be easy or Rick Flair fla and he just no more hope. All right, all right, Ric Flair's hip hop, leave that alone. All right.

Flare's my god. And by the way, in real life, Flare's my rip. Flare is my guy. I don't I don't know who Agan. I don't know Whogan like that I met him. But Flare's my guy. I never I never met I've never met either. I want to hear that entire story. All right, Drink Champs are rap right off, Drink Champs by the way, by the way, shout Sally Wilson. We miss you. We missed the train and we missed. We missed the elliot wasn't trained. He hasn't send that

Ellie wasn't trained since but not drinking? Yeah, COVID, come on, let's let's get out of COVID. Y'all even pick COVID or another desease COVID rap right, cod HIV. That was COVID very quick. That was not a question. All right. The Nicks to the next? Oh, well, Nicks, you gotta pick one boat. But I'm not a fan of either. I'm a selfic fan. But I'll say next. I pulled for the next one, all right, Cardi b or Nicki Minaj? Is that the last one? We got two more after it?

But it's pretty easy, two more after it. Yeah, it's pretty easy. This is the last. Yeah, let's just go. Let's go on this ship. I got one more organic food kings or GMO food kings? Which one? Which one? Should? I say? To organic food case the vegan keep going feeding us, feeding us? God damnit, hold on, I'm not gonna put I'm not going icing this one that was

sucked up. You knew that you put me in an impossible spot for the last at least you have because everyone takes shots like fat Joe said, I'm not drinking. We got we came to here drink, which it wasn't for Joe. What got Joe? Do you remember a couple of them? Yeah, I say, Joe is not taking j other No, no, no. We put remmy Ma and um Nicki, oh like remmy Ma and Cardio something like that, and he took with him up. Okay, so you ready it

should be easy for you as well. Ricky Martin, would you say, Mammy Ma, pup, pup, daddy dredre got it? Puff podcast or radio Radio over podcast really well in d C. Yeah, I'm sorry, send y for me, and I didn't think I might take a shot because he's gonna pick DC. Listen, I love DC. It will always be where I'm from. It's where my family lives. The thing is these formative years for me I've been in New York. Like when when you know, how when you go back to New York, probably there are things that

you're like, I barely even recognize this. This is so different. That's what it's like when I go back to you know what I'll say when I go back to New York, I'm like, fun this place right, Like only you can say that, you know, say that about Queens, I say about New York period until I land, and I land, I'm like dad for the first time recently missing when my girls from Queen's Okay, she took me to the Colosseum for the first time. I had never I had

never done a proper Queen's shopping Colosseum experience. You know that's what NAS shot the person in belly. Yeah, that was outside the Colisseum. Can you tell me though, what I know you're doing the interview, but what was the Colosseum like like a nice Saturday. Back in the day, you would have had to have a ro plane. What to do? I'm assuming your girl is white. I'm just asking she is, okay, yeah, so y'all too coming through back in the days, you would have to have some

gold fronts and ushia. You had that Gucci jacket. Probably she wasn't white. What would be the difference? And she was taught that you just had to be a fair that somebody, somebody had to know somebody to make somebody, to be affiliated to get a beat. Patty, you know what I mean. There's the be Patty spot right. I was so sorry ship that the ship that got barbecue be bad. They got jerked Patty. You would think I worked for them, they Queen's people or something else. Though, Yeah,

you know the way were the best girl. I don't know if I joked. I joke all the time with siphon one app that I say, daddy my girl. I was like my girls basically like spending time with Big Noise. That's how Queen's my girl. That's how when I think of Big when I think of Queen's I picture Big Noise being like, what's up, cousin? But my girls loud. Queen's people are just a different Honestly, if you're really

from Queens. That's why Donald Trump is lying on his birthose kid, He's always been blaming Obama for lying on his perpose. He's been lying. He's saying he's from Queens. There's no way you can be from Queens and bed he's from I think he's from Brooklyn. You racist man, They got part smoking, Like if you're not in New Yorker, you don't appreciate how underrated great that line is. Then Donald Trouble's line is percian because he's not sticking of

coming to people. Unfortunately, there are racists and every bir and is but no but to but to your point, like, and you know my girl when she when when her family moved to Brooklyn when she was in high school and she stayed, she commuted to stay at high school and Queens because of that, like because Queens is just like she was, like, the people here are just who I want to be around. It's a different atmosphere like that that is. I do think Queens is the most diverse.

It's the most diverse place in America. It feels like I always say this on this show, and I say this like I grew up with an Indian, I grew up with a Patian, I grew up with a Russian. I knew every food. That's why I said, don't don't be mad at me when he's like, you know, this is this type of food, and I don't funk with it, like if he tried it already had it. Bronson wrote about that in this new bo I'm reading actually and he's like yo, and he's Albani and he's like yo.

In my neighborhood, literally every day my crew of people was Albanian, Dominican, Colombian. It's every single kind of person is there. It's just you know, And that's why, honestly, when we talk about hip hop, the Queen's hip Hop conversation, you know, we always talked nas and Nipty. We mentioned like the obvious people, but the real history of queens and how deep it goes lost boys, CONNELLI, it's t seven. What's something yo? I wasn't seven from Xtra P Let's

go um like, it's just queens is. Everyone will default and say Brooklyn or Bronze first, But honestly, I think you can make the argument that Queens is the best borrow in hip I believe, so I'll make some noise for that. God, damn, God, damn it. It's in the conversations. It's it's for me. It's Queens in Brooklyn, and you know, and the Bronx obviously the birthplace, so they have their own thing already. Yeah, we can't compete with them. They

already the birthplace, the birthplace. We don't want that, Queens, but we kept it going. That's why I was easy for mc shan to tell that story because people told him this is what happened in the part. And by the way, do you want to know something that speaking of Queens that I've always felt that I think is a controversial hip hop opinion. I always thought that the best record in the in the Battle and Shan and I am a obviously I think k R S is a god. I always thought The Bridge was the best

record in the whole thing. Yes, like record, I don't mean, I don't mean like got the hardest this in. I mean that when that ship comes on and you hear what Marley did at the beginning of the record, when those drums first at the beginning, to me, that was always it, you know what my Queen's mean over there. I like it more than the beat for the bridge. South Brons came out first right correct, then then the bigger bridge right then the bridge. The problem is when

you can pay it. It's almost like when you can pay a takeover, you always have to say take over and super ugly, and then it's just crazy that eat the supersedes take over. And you know I'm notoriously I'm a takeover a guy over either. Yeah, but you're wrong. Everyone says that makes sense why you're saying yeah, but but but but I just never could funk with the beat to either. I'm too but you always said it's

half beat, half rhymes. I never funked with And I told Ron Browse to his face, I respect you as a man and as a producer. I don't. I never walked with either like that brown step on your big toe, adopt all the feet like you know. I take the yell that I'm probably wrong on the takeover there because you pick J just but by the way, so opening that up a little bit, open that back. Let's open the back to open that back. J and NAS both occupy a space that is so important they're both such

gods and so I'm sorry, not sorry, I did hear this. Okay, kids, your message and we get back to that. I just watched Belly the other day though, the day of X's memorial, I wanted to go on with this now. Just seeing Now's walk on the screen, I was just like, yo, he's such a fucking icon And and the other day he has a new He's in a new movie on Netflix right now. I know it's something monster. They're saying

sliming there. They're saying sliming there so so and Rockies in it too, and world yeah, and when it's not exactive induceding. So I don't know how to do this. So it's gonna just leave it alone. You have just leave it alone at the big homies in a big home, Moivie like this right now. So I when I watched when Nads comes on the screen, he's in jail. He's in jail, and I'm just like, man like nas he just I just want to take like a moment to

appreciate how iconic he is. And listen, I've been hard on Nods before, like I hated Uchiali's not being hard on Kay. But no, no, I love Nas. I love that. I mean we have a great relation with you didn't get a double right now? Was it like that was a pause you were setting up? But God, he's him and occupy different spaces. But like, um, they're both so unbelievably iconic. But who has the better bodies of work? That's what I always get into is who has the albums?

And they probably have this almost the same amount of classic albums. Honestly, you know, I'm a I'm a blueprint. I'm a reasonable doubt blueprint. Then black albums slightly down from those two kind of guy. And you are illmatic. I'm an illmatic. I'm an almatic through and through. I love it was written. Um, I think people I think there are other ones in there that people have slept on a little bit. I think God's Son has incredible him still madic, the stillmatic hims, you know, the second

Childhood like there's you know. But I think here's the thing about Nas though I don't think Nas. I think his his interest in beats is weird. It's not what I would expect sometimes what he chooses and then Hove I think has great beat selection. But I think he intentionally chooses some weird ship sometimes because he wants to just kind of shine, you know, like, I don't think

either of them are no one's flawless. Bro. The thing is this, we were we were grading on a scale that didn't make sense because we had never seen artists age before. So when someone has three albums, you're like, oh, the fourth one is not great. You forget about the fact that they might have fifteen albums. You know, Paul Simon is one of my all time favorite artists, right, Paul Simon seventy five years old. And you can call me at you call me a, you can call me out.

I don't notice name, just call him out. The sound of silence, the sound of silence you how about how about Mrs Robinson? God, please, Mrs Robinson's Jesus loves you more than you could know never heard, I think. So. You know the fact that you just said I don't know that and words about all Simon is the illest show.

I'm sorry, all right, listen. My point was this, though, with Paul Simon or Bruce Springsteen, of these guys who have been around forty years, boss, they have they have bricks in there, they have bricks, but at the time, in the nineties and early two thousands, when I was grading albums, I had never seen a rap artist who lasted thirty years. So they dropped one album, we go they fell off. They didn't fall off. They made one whack joint as part of an entire career in which

they'll make more classics down the line. So we always think it's the end. You know, guys, we could have ten more Kanye albums left. We could have seven more

Nas albums left, eight more jail there. These are young men relatively, you don't know how, so like we were always holding this whole It's a young man's game, that's what was only because rap artists hadn't lived long enough for it to become a generational game, and we stupidly cut off our own old school artists and made them feel like they weren't cool anymore when they chow up

at the club and they were forty five. It's all these guys are we should We should have always been treating them like you don't know about to drop next, yoused to tell somebody do tim push ups like old school, like your old school. By the way, he already the father, of course, I think but like you know, we just need to we don't. We don't realize where the game's going. Who's gonna drop a classic album? Those two artists specifically

set the bar so high. No, no, no, not with their first album I Love You, I Love You, I Love You. They set that bar so high for themselves that that's why everything felt like a disappointment after that. Yeah, and it's not the truth. Thing is like the last the last whole album four four or four was fired. I think Story of O J is one of the greatest home songs of all time. Here's the goal when you get older in music age. No, here's what I was gonna say. Okay, relevant to what are here, but

don't know, don't fake it. I agree that that it's whacked. But what I was gonna say was when you drop an album, if you could drop a classic, that's great. But what you really hope to do, You're gonna be touring for the rest of your life. You're adding one or two songs to your playlist at your shows. That's it. When you go see um Billy Joel, I've seen Billy Joel to gard. Remember he was doing a resident Billy Joel in a residency at Madison's where gard Billy Joel sing,

Oh Jesus Christ Almighty, he did a residence. How about piano Man? How about town Girls? Yeah, you know he has to hear the song. He guarantee, it doesn't matter. He's got a bajillion hits. Right, his catalog was worth a good zillion dollars. You say bajillion, I'm taking that. So when when only Joel? When he when you go to his concert, ninety of the songs he put out between the late seventies and after that, there's one song off each album that was a hit that he does

it the concert. That's it. No one was listening to the late albums all the way through. They took the hot joint. You added to your set. You keep it moving. And then later in your life, the goal is you're seventy two years old and you get nominated and you win that Best Album Grammy. You know, like we'll see like a Bob Dylan nominated at seventy one years old because he finally hit another classic joint. But you don't

have to have our Tony Bennett. You don't have to have a You just need to make good still fingerpop it's something somewhere, Tony, Tony, He's still we're having for this. You also started be between Saigon and Mob D but that was the end of the beating. That was the problem. I was there. That's all I saw was your show. Wait, you were there. We had to show. I was supposed to perform the war report for the first time ever, and oh my god, you were on the show show.

That's how I booked it. It was like, you agreed to do the war report for the first time ever. We've never done a war report before that, We've never done a war report since. So you came to me. I didn't want to do it. You convinced me. It's like, yo, let's do it, but have mob Do you do the whole infamous? I said, And oh yeah, it was Marvel was gonna do the infamous. You were gonna do the work we had And I said a mob had really just really just been on the same fucking disaster I was.

Who didn't pull me aside and say, bro, do you know all the people you're dealing with right now? Do you know what problems? Because so here's here's the thing I'll say, Because I know I saw a sign on your podcast, and I talked to Saigon recently without the challenge April. You wanted to get to that later. He's got it. By the way, I'd like to answer, Saigon, no, not fighting. You know how that would turn out, and it's not a dub for me. So let me just say this, um, and by dub, I mean w I

would lose. So Saigon's version of the story is not how I recall it. I was brand new. I did not know who had issues with who at that very moment. And I know that sounds crazy because people didn't know Sigon and Prodigy had ship, but at that time I didn't know that. I was like, Sigon, you want to perform the show? He said, sure. I'm playing his Come On Baby record every week. I'm the guy playing it. I'm sucking into it. I love mob deep as you

know I love you guys. Hope jumping on it probably maybe he's just jumping on it right at that moment. And so the one part that I'm saying, I'm sorry to cut you off, You're saying that jay Z might have jumped on it that record because of the actual incident, because remember him and p had problem. Wow, No, that is trying to make it a double another and another be that was that wasn't wasn't that I was talking so so I didn't. I didn't beg Saigon to perform.

I know I asked him to. I definitely said I would love for you to perform your song, he claims in the story that he tells. I don't fault him for this. I think it's simply the stories we tell ourselves the time goes on. He's like, Rosenberg begged me to do it. Bro I was such a little bitch made fresh out at chevy Chase Maryland. I wasn't pressuring anyone to do ship. Then you know me at that time, you said, chevy Chase, I'm from chevy Chase, Maryland. I

need to visit this. Chevy Chase has Maryland. Chevy Chase Maryland is this? Is this like Dave Chapelle, like Deason Belle got his own from the same area too, But no, chevy Chase is. I think he took his name after the place he saw them on the map, and it was like, that's a funny name. Have you heard Have you heard of Silver Spring Maryland? You've heard Spring? I know it's so with live now you know. Now he doesn't know, but he used to be chev che is.

I wasn't. I wasn't built for any of this. Ship. You should come to sa at my parents house a passover, sater. I want to take mash mushrooms and just hang out. It's not like white white people aren't just doing mushrooms willy nilly over. It's not a passover. It's not the way it works. I mean, I'd be down to try it, um, but but I don't remember that. I don't remember at

that time. Me pressuring him would be crazy. I never would have been like, you you're about to go on that stage I got he said, begging, begging and pressuring or to the good point. I would have let it go. I wouldn't have been like, please go on either you would be like, oh you don't want to do it, okay, cool, I get it. Whatever it is, it happened, Um, I understand. And I told this, just go on the other day,

I said, I get it, bro like. So he spoke after he was on here, after he was on here, and then after that he went on social and talked about he was the celebrity boxing match. Yeah, and he definitely. He definitely TV and you ready, he's read too. He was ready, he was and I and I said, I was a little bummed out by things that he said because we were We've been cool for years. And he said, what was bummed out that he said? Sir? It was like, Uh,

these guys don't care about the culture. Just some ship about me that's not true and that he knows is fundamentally not true. Sigon and I made a record together. He put it on his album. By the way, didn't clear it with me. I've never said one word. He took a record we made. It is currently streaming on his album from years ago. I never said ship. Take the fucking record. I'm glad he made it. A little fames on it. It's fire. Shout out to Hodyest you

produced it. It's a great record. I fun with Saigon. I think it's unfortunate the way she played out. You don't even reduce it. How is it? It was put together? I created a super session. I introduced Odyessey to these artists and we did it one day, composed, I did it. I was like, I like that, it's what so um. The bottom line is, it's unfortunate. And I think Saigon is it udible talent. I said to him the other day.

He was saying that, like, Yo, this one event was a really bad event, and you know, some ship didn't work out my career. Said, Bro, we listen. You got some bad breaks, no doubt about it. You also got some great fucking b You got jay Z on your first single. Well and and listen, I get it. So I didn't work out. He was also the guy on Entourage, like good ship happened for Saigon too, And by the way, that Entourage don't listen it. The point is he's a good dude. We all have. We all have, and he's

a passionate, real dude and a real artist. I fucking love Saigon. I've known him again. It's one of those things. We have bee very early. Even before that, we had beef, we had shipped. Before that, we made up, I know, we talked it. Now. I love Sigon, Like ship happens is unfortunate. But I'll just tell you this, I was a new jack. I didn't know what I was doing. I'll take the l for even putting the show together though, because I didn't know. I was just father, you know,

tell him the last words. I said, it was all positive. It's all positive energy. It's all positive energy. I can't live. Peter Rosenberg said, great ship about you as positive energy. So so it's the positive part of the thing. Hold on, I said, y'all say what's up? Man? We squats beep on drink champs. What you know, I literally just said that I loved you two minutes ago, you know I I was just telling them that we have a history that goes back before that event. You know, he's got

He's a big fact, big fact bro. You know it's all love man. Yeah, and you know your Peter Man check us out like like when you when you Gucci man, like like that whole ship. You know what I'm saying. The reason why it still comes up because when I through pressing Peter like a big question is what happened? What happened? Like you had all this energy it just went away. Yeah. I gotta be honest and be real

about I get it. It took place and and and for that, like I'll be telling it is that's equivalent. So they can having a fucking drinking feature today changes you l You know, I got ed, but so many ways now I get when you told me that when you DM me that, like, it made me understand why it comes up again. And obviously, listen on our memories are gonna be different of ship. Our memories are different of ship. But that is what it is. You know, it's love. Bro? How is how is your Oh? You

mean from that night? Yeah, of course we're too human beings, but two versions of your own life. And to this, I told you I'm not supposed to even be in I was dumb, bro Seory, Yeah, what's got your you know what I'm saying. But but but but it's the real ship, p Like we had a relationship prior to that. And and I've been to your crib. You know I'm saying fact a crib. I'm saying, like, I know your bro introduced me your brother and it was a voice love.

So so really I want to slam me bro still, but listen, I'll try to us, all right, I'll try to do this. It's positive. And I knows your brother and I know you have to got y'all close it. But he was my man too. He didn't have to do me like that. Broke again to do me like nobody was bleeding. There was no scuffo. They still performed. It was not Hey, listen, let's let's set up a combo. Let's set up a combo and talk it up and move onward and upne Nori Nor is now the king.

By the way, he did you jack that from me? That that's a Rosenberg move the mid podcast blind calling people and holding the ship? How do you think we did? Interview said, by the way, all right, pick up that I don't want no violence, and I'm gonna say something that I got two more questions after this. Cool, I actually don't have the stories. Yeah, you made fun of me the day that of Yeah, interviewed the Saigon things. It's like you Nor can't say what a lot of

these other artists say. I never had be for brol you said that hero. It's like Nori and I definitely never had any problems ever. Like you were good. You have been pouci at ninety seven, even after all the ship that went down. Everyone knows about you know, there

was never an issue. So I gotta I gotta stand up for you, bro, because you know, sometimes people think that you know, you know, when you were banned and they took you over, how they say they blame evil for that, and I gotta be a man and tell you that he had nothing. He was not even in power. He was not even in that. But afterwards he came, we spoke, I had the first like his first night in New York. We hung out, had a great time, you know what I mean. So I've never actually said

that publicly. He said it a couple of times, but I want to say I want people to know that. Like, so you know, Eviro was super solid with me the morning show, you Laura styles, uh, Peter super supported man. So I just want to make some noise because a lot of people think, a lot of people think a lot of people think. All right, So moving on, DMX just gotta day. What do you feel about that that? I got one more question after that, and that's that he just got a day. Yeah, a day, like a

day dedicated to him DMX on his birthday. Yeah, it's the whole uh state of New York correct New York. Yeah, Like I mean, listen, he is uh X is so special. Man. E FN and I were talking before we got on

the air about his last appearance on your show. It's just that I can't believe that he's gone man, it's it's a really I've only got to be in his presence actually a few times, I know, not very much, um because once as you hope hosting the um Rock the Bell that that was the only time I got to be around him, and then that interviews on YouTube, and it was he was great. I mean it was one of those those things that X were like you could tell he's, you know, not sober during the conversation,

has come to you and be bad. No, no, no, he was still great though, like like it's it's a weird thing, you know when everyone One thing I love about the X story, as sad as it all is, is is that it's a very open story. He's honest, you know, Swiss is honest, and we all know that X had a hard life and had demons to deal with. So instead of talking around it, we're able to talk about a real man who was vulnerable in that way, yet he managed to struggle with these demons and yet

be a good dude through it all. Like I have not heard the story yet of X treated someone like ship Like when you met him, he was everything you thought he would be in a good way. Now listen, you book him for a show. He might show up two hours later. Maybe he might not show up. He might might be drink, might be still part of what you would expect of that, you know what I mean? Like he was, he was an enigma. He was he

was amazing man like I he's that. He's that when I have that that moment where I need to play something and make myself feel like I'm kind of bigger than I am, I play that what's my name ship by you know that ship, the one that has the intro that the burgundy um leather thing on and it's black and yeah, Tyson came out to in a couple of times, and that was you know, so rest in peace, acts men. I wish I got to know him a better damn man. All right, now, this is the last question.

You know, I can't believe you're I'm gonna get out on time and make my flight too. All right, let's do it. But you got to get to the shot this question once. I'm going I'll take your no. No. Three is my lucky number, so you gotta do it on Campra. Three is my lucky number. Um. But the question first start, Just let me get the question of my head. It was I've grown close to you because I kind of don't remember. I think it was a slight problem. I don't think it was a problem beef

like how you thought it was. No, no, no, I'm sure all right, but me and you got along, we did and it was one thing that happened. Oh god, I didn't drink it. Go ahead, and it was a Chuck d Oh wait wait wait wait, Chuck d intident. Yeah, so I would like you to recollect as much as you you would call this incident. I'm glad. I want to do this with you. I'm glad. So Summer Jam one year is like thirteen fourteen, something like that. Some

fusory happened at the end. I think it was maybe the fifties slow Bucks thing, or it was some ship. It was one of the fuckory Summer Jam moments. I don't remember which one. There have been several moments. And afterwards Chuck d made a statement of some sort I don't remember where anymore about hot ninety seven and us being shitty and irresponsible and whatever the ship was, and in that moment he wasn't wrong to be upset about a moment that occurred, but his overall in my opinion

his overall way of describing Hot ninety seven. While I understand why people do it, I wish they really knew, like we are not like you just said about ebro hebrow is the most misrepresented guy he does. He does it to himself to some degree because he not a su and he knows that because he's not from New York and he's not a sucker, he has to play a certain part. By the way, he roes a big motherfucker.

So he also people might get extra salty because when they want to test him, they see him and they're like, all right, I'll let this one live. So he he puts off a big energy that I think a lot of people misread him on. He's a fucking quality, solid dude. And the station the way we operate in general, like we are you know you meant you think of like you're in New Yorker, Lisa evers, we are a solid community radio station that cares about the community. By the way, yeah,

of course, like we are, and we we do. We still do a community affairs show like places don't do community affair shows. They let me have my real late show, like we do quality ship on Hot. We are a deep part of the community. More so, we are not a huge company. Everyone thinks we were the bad corporate giant. No, we were always the smaller station. We were just the heritage station. So when Chuck made his statement again, I

don't remember exactly what it was. It came from a place of judging a moment where he was right to be discussed. Did with the moment, but I thought the view of the station was unfair. And you asked earlier. You said loyalty or respect, and I said loyalty, no hesitation. So I love Chuck D. I grew up listening to Public Enemy and I did living base Heads video. It was part of me becoming in love with hip hop.

Fight the Power and Shut him Down remix. I would say, are two of my top ten favorite rap songs ever made. I respect Chuck D. But in that moment, I felt this need to be defensive of the place that has changed my life, and I rode hard, and in retrospect, I went too hard. I really did, And I am of all the moments I've had, that is the one I'm regretful for because I when I look back at it,

it just reakes of privilege. It was showing it was showing even if I didn't agree with him, Chuck d is so revered that I should have handled that like a son and been like, hey, that's Chuck's opinion. He has every right to that opinion and kept it moving. And instead I had the bat in my back to be like, you know, it's probably still off the of the Nicki Minaj thing, thinking let me let me talk

some ship. I'm incredibly regretful for it. Um And. And the nice part of the story is I had a lot of people call me and tell me different things in the weeks after the Chuck remember calling so so yeah, so a lot of people called me and said different things to me. Um. But Nori called, and he called with zero judgment. He just said, I'm not calling to tell you about what you said. I'm calling to tell you that I was out and I heard people saying

things about you negatively. That we're not the kind of people that I want to hear saying things about you negatively. These are not the people you want to be angry. I think you should apologize. And if you recall Nori as God is my witness, I said, sounds good. And the next day I said I gotta do something on the air today. And I went on the air and I said, I apologize. I did not think about how this would affect people and how it affects shop. And

honestly it was a mistake, like be told. Whether people wanted to suck me up about it or not, it just wasn't the right thing to do. And sometimes you get you get lost in a moment and you want to defend the place that you work. And I should have put hip hop ahead of the station there and said, listen, that's Chuck d He's in rarefied air. If I disagree, just just disagree and shut the funk up. And I

didn't do that in that moment. So I would say that was one spot where I sucked up, and also where I was very grateful to you for having that. We were friends at the time, and you know, and it's one more question after this because her we gotta because it brought me to another situation that we have to fix. But this was this one moment where you know, when you're my friend, you're my friend. I don't care.

Right you go down the block, We're going ducking donuts and they say this is a ship donnut and you want to eat this ship donnut, I'm gonna say, don't eat this ship doughnut. After you eat this ship donut, I'm going to be the guy to look around and say, don't make fun of him eating the ship don't. Right. It's a fucking foul friend. But I'm a lawyer friend. And when I saw that, because I knew that's not what your attention you was. God bless me for for

saying this. It was like where they say in the work world, a company man. He was being a company which which which? Which? Was like it's like, al right, cool, Like you know most of us, you know who works for the bus company and tire comes off and they say, well, the bus company is a piece of ship. You say, no, well, I pick ninety nine tires, and ninety nine tires work. This is this one. You can't take this one thing

out on the bus company. But what you don't know is there's people hired La, there's people in a little Haiti, there's people in Overtown, there's people in left right, there's people in Corona who bus company is fucked up. You understand, by the way, a lot of people may not understand what you're saying, but it's actually exactly right, exactly know my listeners understands. Maybe these guys don't they speak, they speaking speaking. Yeah, So I wanted you to do that,

and I was so thankful that you did. I really was. I was thankful to you, bro. I was thankful because you know, um you said it earlier. Sometimes sometimes we speak from a place of privilege and we don't we don't know, because what then is privilege? Come with alert sign,

you know. That's the people don't understand. They don't You don't know that you're speaking from privilege, Like you don't go to red lobster and it's your term for the table, go to give you a thing and go bepp like you know what I'm saying, like that you don't know, And then you look back and like wow, that was really Harry. But but now you have me nervous. What's

the thing that you want to fix? So I gotta call my car and it sounds like about to getting some dece it's a little deep by the way amount as I have to go to w W tonight. That's that's that's that's that's I'm look, this is a room going around or what's going around. I listen. I'm not speaking about you because I have nothing else to do.

I'm speaking about you because this man is here. I want to correct the rumor that man yeah here, no you, there's a rumor going around that you actually search for me to go at tax Stone. Okay, I can handle this one. I thought it could be something else, um like, No, it was. It was just misrepresented. And by the way, you're probably to blame for this, because how would tax have gotten information unless you said something. The whole story in one second is I don't even remember where me

and tax got issues from. I know he said wild shit about me. He mentioned my ex wife like he did some wild ship. No, no, I know there was some wild ship that happened. I was worried. As I said earlier, I am from Chevy Chase, Maryland. I am not built for this. So I'm very clear, and it took me a couple of years to learn how to do what you're built for and what you're not built for. But now I know, and unlike a lot of people

I move around was zero security. I lived very comfortably because I learned what the boundaries are and how you can just do what you do and not offend anyone. In this specific case, tax was coming at me. I did not know much about him. What I heard was that he was, you know, a street dude, knows the streets whatever. All the ship you just got to hear. I reached out to Nori and said, what do you know about this dude. The way the story has been retold was that I was like, yo, Nori, I'm putting

that hit on. It's crazy. Thank you, because listen, I'm glad you said it. I can hit you up. It was like, I don't know what to do with a little nerd. What happened was you asked me. I met him like two days later, and it was the CBS building or something like that, and I said to him, I said, well, no, he did the interview with him before that. No, all right, so all right, so didn't it was actually the interview because I said, or how we met, and like, I didn't know how you look obviously,

so I give him a second hand. He's like, yo, I'm taxed. I said, oh, he asked me about you, and then it was it was like a joke. He was like, oh, Peter got no to try to get at me. So when he said that, I laughed, but it wasn't like serious to like run with it, like like he didn't call me like to say, Yo, go get this guy like all or you know. So I'm grateful for you telling that, because the way he told it was that I was like, yo, knowing send the shooters.

It was to be very careful, let's be very careful. God bless tax because I will never ever ever go at anybody that in the camp the situation. I have all due respect, of all respect for you. It's just it was funny at the time. So I didn't correct it when he was home. I'm just correcting it now because the rumor keeps continuing. And if you, like you know, you called me, you did, you asked, you did ask about him, Let's just be clear. I did. And by the tax and I got cool tax and I had

a cool conversation after that. Taxes. Actually I gotta give tax credit because we always give tax credit. So tax and I had our ship when we give him credit. He by the way, I'm gonna say the next thing I've ever said, No one's gonna hear it. But after the whole ship that we had when I was super upset about what he said about my ex wife. He called me and he apologized. He was cool. He was like, yo, that's just out of bounds my ship. And again his

ship was more with Ebro. I got more dragged into it whatever, and he was you know, he was very respectful and cool. And I think I was back as well, and we were cool. So when the ship came up a while ago, I was like, that story is not accurate. But I was just curious. I didn't know who he was, and I just hit you up to be like, yo, you were the guy. You were the guy who I knew who could tell me what was going on. You

hit me up. And when I met him, I said, oh, ship Peter just asked about and he made a joke. He was like, oh ship because of I don't know, I guess my reputation or what. I was like, Oh, she called to to get me again. Your fault to always norries loosen sidegon as my fault? How No, but I just wanted to get that straight. You know, I'm glad we did. I'm glad to big up to everybody else who we talked about. No, let's not mention anymore. Big up to a big up the Starships because I

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