Episode 255 w/ Cam’ron

e F And it's just drink Chats, motherfucking y'all? Ya makes up now right now? When I tell you this is probably the most requested guests in Drink Champ's history. The man is one of the most efficient hustlers in this game. When I first met this brother, they were doing card whales and he had everybody grown to ask people from the record labor card whales. I wanted to see men not looking an Olympic gym or some ship semn.

His brother is influential. If he says we're pink, thank god, damn it, motherfucker's this gonna were pink he's put on people ilustrious career, made one of the illest movies on his own and major and independent. He's still out here. It's fucking his NIAVL right now. I love it. I think that same y'all. My name. You know what I'm saying, different nationalities to change the neighbor but keep sucking the

neighbor man. This man, like I said, it's influential. He's put on other people that likes Jim Jones, Juel Santana, you know, Freaky Zeki. These guys have changed the world with when when dip set ran Ship New York was New York mixtape, game Over came over, took over the rock. We're gonna ask about all that Biggie Smalls I spoke to the other day. He said, Biggie, that's one of the biggest last request was to make sure Cameron gets a deal. So in case y'all don't understand who the

hell I'm introducing, we did introducing killer motherfucking camera. Let me sprek some creed man out real, spreate some creed and there you know what I'm saying, kill the motherfucking I can't tell you how proud I am to get you listen, I'm gonna be honest. Your fans and our fans are out niggas, like I can't even take a mess with you. As soon as I take a person, we're there chests stretch. So me and you spoke the

other day. I think he was having lunch. I think when we said and you said, yo, man said, Duke told me wait for the culture. That my saying I need to do it for the coaching man in my comments and all that, so ip people can make out make you this is this is all right? When when everybody's top five, when you when when the person speaks about a person's top five and big just as repeatedly a part of that conversation, and when you know that

that was big. One of the biggest last requests was to make sure that you gotta do because you wrote crush on you for the Little Seeds part, not a Little Kim part. Like if you listen to the album version Little Seasons by something, I guess they couldn't get Little Kim in the studio whatever you gotta ask on that, but for a Little Seas part, yeall wrote that, So how is that like, um, you got the call from now what happened is they wanted to makes the right

like six songs for Kim or Sees or whoever. So they paid him thirty thousand for like five songs and he gave me five thousand for one of them and crushed on you was to joint. So uh, Mace learned it when and then did it after when when it came out went platinum. Then I was like, I did it. I'm one of my shot. That's how that went. But they paid Mace to write some songs for him, and Mace came to me to get it. So let me ask you. I noticed is like pushing the story farther along.

But Big all of a sudden dies because Big you met Big? Yeah, and so what what what was that exchange? Like, Um, Mace took me the Bigg's house because I guess Big was looking for artists. Uh. I got to his crib. He had two bitches. His leg was broke. I think he's in the car so that he had two bitches in the bed and he was like a Biggie rhyme. Yeah yeah he was. He just was like yello, man. He wanted to say another kid that makes both them and Mace was like Nae Kim is to do cam

really got it kind of yeah, yeah, definitely. So he uh he put on like fifteen beats are beat. He put on our rap to it. I used to have mad wraps in my pocket, written wraps, no phone wraps, like, so I just wrapped every beat and he's like that said enough, I want to sign you. Then he called um. I was like, bet, let's do the deal. So then

he passed away and they happened to be shooting. They always love big popa video and harm because that was my question because back in the days, if someone passed a win, like you know, we didn't have like communication like how we we didn't have Instagram, So how had he passed away? How did you get Um? Yeah, I see harm it. Always loved big paper video shoot and I stepped to him. I'm like, yo, I'm gonna do

a big one to sign that. He's like, now I'm in the middle of a finish up a deal with Epic and as soon as I do, I'm gonna give you the deal. And that's how it went. Just like that, just ran down on him like what are we doing? Oh god, damn god, damn. Miss some lost to that I think one of the verses that you kicked the verse for one of my old you haven't set up and I brought the free style. You told me that this was a verse you kicked forbid. Ok I don't know if I told you that. Yeah, you do the

free stuff for Okay, I'm I can't. I can't say about our roles do with you. I can get your own bottom. Thank you enough. Okay, this is killer kid. I've been a lot of money with a lot of thugs and a lot of drugs. You know what I'm saying. I might start the ship out with one of your bitch as the biggest party for stunning I'm saying, but right now with my day a e f hes about to play something exclusive ship, So back the funk about our face if you ain't talking about no cheesecakes ship.

She wanted to check the City Chian. That kid is latest man's obligation fixing conturation cat sack. Strangely, those he changed bes paid my old team more so they could play at b frame me inside the Blue three used me with two keys, blue Chi and movie and me playing group be who cheats The two bees even got the coat that I trist in my Lucy. Got to make arrangements. Before arrangements, say what's to say to say? What's I cave it? But they's repentance before the sentence.

Just got to catch that girl that I was friends with. It seems she was even my key from the visas flight twenty three easton because the region her day was Nat took a cab straight to Ltwaia cour at the checking body killing. I don't remember. I don't even remember that. You don't remember it, Na, I ain't gone. I'll be listening to this ship like that. Remember, No, No, I don't remember. Was too good that perfectly? One take? What a big house? No know what I'm saying when it?

Oh yeah, yeah, I'll be on that like that. Yeah, one take boys, man, So let's get to twenty nine. See and what the fun is going on with tway nine s she's just stalking up with you? How to like the stalking nothing? I mean, let's and man, it's it's all. It's all proof case shit go left. You gotta tape all that ship. You never know when it Mike. First of all, it's in the complexion for the connections on her side, so you never know when she's gonna go right or wrong. But you know, I'm single. I'm

having fun. That's what's about. But this is what I got, so I gotta get in your business bad. First, What was the first? What was part one? I didn't see part one. I've seen part DM me. She DM me. It was in my d M s and she was taping me from a terrorists. So when she was taping me, I just posted it because she's like, she went out of my black baby, So I thought that was funny. I think that's funny too. Yeah, I thought that was funny. And after that, you know you're staying up building by

the beach. We went to the beacht and like and I'm not trying. You know, it's a lot of slot niggers in here, so I want to be too much info, but I'm not really in there. Like love, I'll beat bitches up when I have secions, not bad because they know that they got to want it. They want that, so I'm really aggressive. That was part three. Then part four. I don't feel like I'm obligating because I'm not in a relationship, and you know that's where we are right now.

And then part five, Um, I've seen you in two g's. What was your last night? Yeah? Yeah, we us a full lot of them. No, he's in Brown County. Wasn't all the way in for a lot of them, but yeah, playhouse, playhouse to see the spots I go to like that. But we's in we us in Brodwood County. We's having fun. I got a little fun last night. We had a great time last night. Actually, so let me ask you to Twain nine ce pump or you pulled up what Twain was in there? She was in there. I don't

know if it was random or what. If she spoted followed the call, what happened. But we had a good time last night. We're on good terms right now. We're in great terms. She was running down you at one point. This is why I don't say that's been going on? What's been going on? Eight this morning? That's when this eight this morning? Yo? Yo, you can't do this show. You can't do this. No, no, no, no no, I'm I'm gonna I'm gonna call security. Yo. I'm going to

to call I'm going to call security, yo. Yo. Yo. Why first of all, why are you calling me and you're outside the door, Yo? Yo, fruit, that's crazy. I'm like, I gotta do this all that. Oh but that's this and I'm talking about right here. Nope, nope, okay, I'm getting to order protection. Yo, I'm telling you that I'm getting to order. Yeah that was one day. I'll take that. I got more footage of that, but no, she just gonna get living than that. Man, still get living than that. Okay,

So moving around. Remember the first time me and you, matt Um, I remember the first time I've seen you. I don't think we actually met. I was telling you know, we're talking up a day and I was like, yo, first time I seen you, I believe it was in D and D studios and you were just mad, hyperactive.

When I elevated something like yo, left practice high right going crazy and I'm like I'm on the elevator, like, yo, what's doing because I don't really know what left racktill and I'm like this dude's crazy, Like Yo, what's your name? I'm like kid and he's like I'm Noriega and I'm like it's good to meet you. Man. So I don't know if that was like a formal introduction, but I remember remember with that, but our formal real first time

like chilling was the clue tech. Okay, now I remember that clearly a hundred percent, definitely that was a great That was a great great I was legend Derry. I remember that. Yeah, that was a great. Such that was That was like our first introduction because I believe you'll was supposed to do the clue tape and we were supposed to do clue tape. And I think we either came early or came late. That y'all a must have came late. And who he was, I don't no bones

in jail. It was me and Trash was supposed to do it. Emm wasn't really a rapper. And that's why if you noticed, Mace caused him almany thug on the on the joint, he doesn't say Emon thug because we didn't he didn't really know his name. And the crazy ship is, if you really listened to the freestyle, Trash didn't know. He thought that they were the locks. So he says that the andiges pick up to the locks.

It's like, this is a mess, Like well, I think we didn't know each other, and then the stardom came like this, this is the first freestyle and um, that's it stuck to New York. Up. Ye, that's a fact. Clue. You know, it was a lot of mixed tapes you have rawn g s. But when Clue started doing them tapes, you know, it was a big deal to be on his tape. I remember listening to like Naas and Jungle and jay Z and Source Money and a bunch of

different people. So to get on Clue save, you have to take advantage of that situation, you know what I'm saying. So we already knew what he was going there to do, no matter who is there, it didn't matter if fucking the best rapp in the world, then we knew what we was coming to do. And y'all killed it too. But that was our first introduction. And um, I believe our relationships started from live. But moving on, I was watching because when I do these interviews, I like to

go and do my little research. So one thing that I noticed for the past couple of years in your performance and your performance, you don't do none of your old ship. You don't do like horse and carriage or what mean the world are you? And stuff like that? Is there a reason for that? I'll do what mean the world are you I really want to do horse And because like even though the album was dope, everybody likes Confessions of Fire, it's not a hundred percent mine.

Like I wrote everything and you know, did everything, but had a lot of say on that. You know what I'm saying, like a creative dude, and I'm a creative dude. But if you're want the car, it's only one stand where only one person could drive. So we class heads a lot, and not in a bad way, just creatively. But you gotta realize from the point of view, I saw my deal in September seven something like that, nine November whenever. But Biggie died in March, so they lived

with Big. That's the man. Everything I did I compared to Big, like, yo, Big, what it did? It Like this is a big thing like that because that was his crew. And I'm like, I'm not from Brooklyn, I'm not Big. It's only one Big, you know. You gotta let me beat myself. So a lot of that Confessor is a fire album. It was clashing and I don't really listen to that ship that much. A lot of people love it, but I don't really. It's not me. So when you start getting the s d E. Come

home with Me, diplomat ship rockets. Yeah, all that ship is mine. That's what I did the first album. It was like collaboration and I'm not saying it's bad, but I like that. Like I'm sure if you tell Nas and J and all these greades that first album, it is a collapse too because you're learning the game, right. So, um, but that's interested to hear Houston he say that. Yeah, I just don't. I don't funk with that album like that, and I love it. I'm not mad at it, but

I wasn't comfortable in my skin doing that album. That was too much yell big what it said? This Like every session it was like if Biggie was here big with you know what I'm saying. And you can't even knock them because they're still mourning. Really, you know what I'm saying. Like he wasn't the biggest rapper right exactly, you know what I'm saying. So it is what it is. But I don't really perform nothing of that ship because I don't really consider that a hundreds of scent my music.

So what's your favorite album? Speaking of that? Um, I like Purple Haze. I was in a good zone when Purple Haze came out. I was in a great rhythm. You know what I'm saying. That's probably my favorite drink. I like rock Well come home with me. That's right. When we got to Rockefeller, Like, we had a bunch of sep What you gotta realize, we had a lot of mixtapes to them put out. You know what I'm saying, A bunch of mix tapes. So but if I have to pick my favorite autum, I say it's Purple Haze.

You felt at the time when you felt it was all you, Yeah, not from s D. From Sden on. It was all me. But I just was in a n t to sue you for s the because didn't you have like but it was the basketball in the gun, like the posters up from for that ship. They really see it. They just made us take it down. There wasn't no big lawsuit or none of that ship. But they wouldn't they wouldn't let us advertise using the NBA logo with a gun. This was an idea at the time,

you know what I'm saying. So, but U s D one to today everything I felt is my what I wanted to do. Ain't nothing worse than I mean, the album with Gold. But to me, I felt I was applied to mortists in my brain, you know what I'm saying. So to me, it's nothing worse than not succeeding when it's not your idea. So like, if I'm gonna fail, let it be my ship. I want to fail doing what I want to do. I don't want to fail doing your idea. And that's how I feel about Ship.

That's how I felt about uh Confession a fire album. But here's hiss, his hiss, the deal boom. You got you dealing with this one ego on his one side. You gotta you feel like you're gonna get out of this deal and then you get with this other ego that worked at least for that time. But what you talking about exactly, because I mean, what kind of because like I'm imagining, I'm not I'm not sorring imagining leaving from on You're saying to yourself, Okay, it was a clash.

You don't want to go through that. It's not a bad clash. Trash me, trash class opinions. Someone say it was a good class class And I had to do the same thing. But when you you the hottest fucking label happened to be Yeah, man, I think y'all from from from Harlem and then you go to the rock Is it? Is it any of that what you just dealt with with? Yeah, with DNA, what happened. What happened

with Dane was this. So when I left her Entertainment, I got to Sony to Epic directly because they got to keep whatever artists they unknost this deal or whatever artists they wanted to take from his label, they got the key. So when I got the epic, I ain't really I'm starting to learning the game. I didn't really know the game and entertainment, you know. I got a deal. I'm sorrying I signed a fifty but some of my publishing not knowing I knew, but I didn't give a funk.

I just wanted Brad, did you get red for the Yeah? They gave me bread, but yeah, yeah, but it was not the bread you're supposed to get that first deal on one. Yeah. So, um, when I got the epic, you know, she moving slow, you know, it's like corporate. So as a girl that who was cool with me, and she started schooling me to what niggas wasn't doing. Like it was the records, wasn't getting spending certain states.

My fucking promotion wasn't going right. And she's like, that Nigga run promotion, that nigga run your market, and that nigga do X y Z and epic. Because I'm going up there and seeing what's something, She's like, look, you're not getting no spence here. You're not getting no spence here. You're like, you know, Spence said, you're not doing this. This nigga run your market and it's no marketing dollars being spent. But you know he got a brand new car outside. So I'm like, I'm like, when Nigga is

doing the money, you know what I'm saying. So I'm learning all this ship She's telling me all this, So now I'm like, Nigga is trying to play me. So me and Dame had to fall out. I used to rock with Dame when I was young. You know, I used to do ship for him. You know what I'm saying. You don't have to be specific about what, but I used to run around and do ship for Dame, you know what I'm saying. So we fell out when I

was young. He he was just getting his deal. I was just trying to get my deal because but that's my man since I was thirteen years old, you know what I'm saying. So I already know his ego ain't no problem. Now I'm seeing what's going on a sony and I'm like Rocket fell is on top of the world. I know Dame got other distribution beside definitely him. He had a lecturer, he had to land and got mad distributions. So I was like, I gotta swallow my product and go talk to my men because I'm like, yo, I

took a risk. I took mad risk for you, bro. You know what I'm saying, Like you can at least He's like yo, he like, Cam, ain't no big deal. You know, you get out to deal with give me one of my distribution. So I'm like, I ain't bet he said, if you get out to deal like yeah, Like yeah, So I'm like, yo, bet So now I'm just going to four um epic every day with like

forty niggas and making that Mad uncomfortable. Like I'm like niggas is running up people cubicles eating they lunch, you know, we're going in Dave mcphe's offense taking his calls to the point where it's like mad undercover cops and epic every day. Because I was going every day with forty niggas. My nigga Luke got Brady Tylerman was like forty of us going every day. So then niggas was just like

this beginning becoming a headache. So Dame came up and talk to Damon Fish and he's like, Yo, this is not gonna stop you not as well let him out. So he eventually let me out. And when I got the Rocket Feller, I told Dame might say, y'all, I don't know if I want to come to Rocket Feller. You got all a distribution with a lecture and whoever else, Maybe we should take it over there because I know what I'm coming with. I already know the game. Now I just got jerked. I'm not gonna get jerked again.

But I knew Dame won't trying to drink me anyway, because now you gotta record label this popping, and you got my man who's trying to teach me instead of robbing. So when that happened, I came up to Rocket Feller. He's like, now it's gonna be cooler. Rocket, I'm telling you everything is straight. We're gonna be good. And when we got there, we just, uh, we just funked up

an epic. We just turned into animals and went crazy up there and just put music out because it seems like But I but to answer your question, no, I ain't have no problem with Dame Dame. You know what Dame told me. Dame told me this. Dame said, look, anybody loves you and harm you didn't think up there, this is what we're gonna do. You're gonna give your opportunity to an album. If it don't work, you know, at least you got your job and you can answer

phones and ship. You know what I'm saying, nothing like like like no, I don't want to. But he was that serious. He wasn't joking. But that's real ship though. You know what I'm saying that he was still willing to give me a job if this ship ain't go right. Okay, let me ask you a question. Is it's a fair assessment to say that once you came Rocket fella, you became a superstar. Um, if I don't like the huge and I think that's for public to decide if you're

a superstar, megastar, whatever. Period. I just think I became more recognizable in the household man. Yeah, absolutely, and they can start paying attention to more of what I was doing. And it was like, this is what I want to do anyway, you know, I want to bring my niggas in and you know, start a crew and have artists, etcetera, etcetera. You know what I'm saying. Like, it's like you, I don't know if you've ever seen uh boutang series? You know yea in order them one da It's a great series.

Didn't even get to the rap part yet after season one. But at the same time, I consider that ship my story kind of like Rising story. He had to label, we had to put out the single he didn't want to put out. Then we got out the fucking deal. He started putting together all the ship that he wanted to do. But you know what I'm saying, So to me, that's kind of the same scenario because it's this famous line like you who else said one time for cam

for taking over the rock? Did it seems like everything was different from that moment on out side looking in even though, even though like I knew you, Damn it's twenty years, it's seven. I was side looking at I thought that everything was sweet. I thought you, I think it's went there, really took it over. But I didn't think you had no problems. I didn't think none of this. Then that line actually says, and then everything kind of changed. I think Karen Sibyl said it was over parking spy

and all this ship. Do you thing? I know, I'm asking you to carrosson. We don't know what the funk she'd be talking about. Sometimes she got to shut the funk out. She just be trying to get cloud for her ship, you know what I'm saying. She was my employee too, and I called about lying about that ship, like, I know you're doing whatever you're doing to get your ship popping and all that, but you worked for me for like three years. Stop with the lion and ship.

So you because you're cloud chasing and you ain't got you already established, you know what I'm saying. I don't got no problem with her, but over that situation right there, I called her like what are you talking about? And she's like, oh no, they made this. I said, I heard it all right, So let's just address that type of woman wasn't. This is what happened. You wanna know

what happened? We got the rocket. Drink with me or something. Man, please give me some water and drinking water, drinking, I'm not drinking. Let's try something now, ain't drinking. But basically, well, so we get the rocket. Fellow, um, I said, we just got jerked. So we know the game and what's going on is we're not waiting for nobody. You get what I'm saying. We're not sitting around waiting for Dame to do something or bigs at jail or whoever. We're

going to bust the moves. So when we get there, Bobby Dash the radio we get wanted him to get radio boom, start building a rapport with him. You know what I'm saying. We started learning everybody who does what in office, the a and rs and people who picked beats, that secretaries, everybody. We're building the report. So we're going there every single day. Uh. And what we did was we took advantage of a studio baseline studios, so we would whenever jail being Memphis Bleak of Beans or whoever,

wasn't performed recording. We would go in there and we would record, but if we have to stay there or night, no matter what it was, you know what I'm saying. So then we did a mixtape. You know, a lot of people don't know we really did the first artist mixtape. You know, you had mixtapes, but all the artists was on DJ's mixtape. Fifty did it after us. And I'm not sitting there trying to take credit because it's like who invited the toilet? You don't really give a funk.

You're gonna take a ship, you know what I'm saying. But I'm just telling you. We started doing our own mixtapes first because he's on everybody mix tape, like, you might as well do our own ship. So then Damion like, yo, y'all putting out free music? What the funk are y'all doing? And I'm like, yo, you gotta build a buzz if the streets funk with it. Then He's like, now we gotta sell this ship. We gotta sell. I say, broe have more music, gonall be ready, you know what I'm saying.

So we're doing all this ship. Now I'm learning with depth. Jimmy's that def jam, I don't remember this, Dann says upstairs. So now I'm going to funk with Kevin Lows every day. I'm like, yeah, what's up, man, I got this. You know, I'm funking with this song. So I'm going funk with Leo, going to funk with Julie Greenwall. You know what I'm saying. I'm like, that's my crew. Yeah, I love that, yeah, Kiser,

Yeah you know, yeah exactly, yeah, yeah, fat cat. So I'm up there fucking with them, thank you, sucking with them every day. And so we're up there, it's too big closets, like walking closets. It's mad posted boards and shipping them in front of the closets, cubical so it's two closets. We're talking fell the offices and they yeah, in their offices, but you know they offered they were seting there with Murder in Murder Ink was up there too. Yeah,

so nobody's using these closets. But they big closets and it's cubicles in front of them. So we used to stay to everybody leaves, so we cleaned them ships out. I got the phone man, you know, we stay up the smoke. We got the phone that you put the phone line in here, put the phone line in there. So it used to be in Dame office every day. So then we're chilling in front of um. We saw walking past Dame offer. They're like, what's up? So they

walked past, so they're like, yo, where the fund? Y'all keep going down there and they're like, no, we got the office. So Nig's like, how the fund you get office? And I'm like, we it was just closet space. We put some dusk in there. We caught some hire some interns. So niggas is like that's I said, look, look, look I see nigga's faces. Don't funk with this ship. Man, y'all could have been did this ship? Seemed like it's

been for years. I remember the niggas sparks from state property coming there, like, how the fun him come in here and get a fucking office already? How the niggas getting officers and orders other ship? And I'm like, yo, bro, y'all y'all in this situation that I was, But y'all in a better situation, y'all being taken care of. I don't really want to be taken care of. I know what's going on. Now, I don't need to wait for Dame to say do this and do that. And I'm

an asset and not saying there was a liability. But I'm coming with ship already done. I got jerked my first couple of albums, as far as I'm concerned. So now I know what to do. So Nigger started taking heat and that, like Kim got the office, got secretaries and all this ship out out out. I'm like, all right, whatever, man, I don't really care about nobody feeling, you know what I'm saying. So I told Dame. I said, Yo, look I got this Dipper mass ship going on. You wanna

funk with it? Let me know. He's like, yo, Kim, yeah, I mayn't even come out, Yeah, you got the children. I'm like, well, you don't really be out like I'm out. We're building a buzz bro something coming outside. Yeah yeah, not not like that. I ain't want to playing. But I'm telling him he don't know what's going on. So I'm like, bro, you you need to jump on this pause before get crazy. He like, Kim, you didn't even put your ship out yet. I said, I ain't cool,

No problem going my man. Kevin Love's office, I said, yo, when he played my artist Jewels played the song players dipping that project, and he said, I wanted I want to sign the whole Diplomat ship. I said, back, this is this is right after Dame isn't paid it for or not. Excuse me hard knock like screaming on Kevins for giving one of his artists death Jam jacket. So this is after this, yeah continue yeah, so yeah, so so so Dame is like, I mean, Kevin is like better,

I want everything, I said. I had my lawyer's called we get all this ship together. So the next day I give Dame the courtesy. I said. Look, I said, yo, I know i'm your artists, but I'm about to do a joint venture deal with death Jam, with Juels and diplomats and all that. He's like, what we are you talking about? What are you talking about? I said, let's calm down. I said, I said, you're going crazy. Said you gotta calm down. Bro I bought it to you first.

You told me to chill. Now I'm about to do this. Oh not kevitist doing that, because now he's doing that to make me mad, I said, bro. Man the Nigga's jewels is nice. I tried to tell you this man, No, no, no, we're going down in there. I grabbed. I said, we're not going down there there. You're not gonna sunk this money. He said, if if the deal don't go through, I'll give you the money postget him. I said, right now, we could go there. Yeah, like a mill on the table,

close to the mill. So I'm like, yo, we go down there. He goes yelling, call. I'm looking at Kevin. I got a good relations I want to seem like I told now you're trying to gas him up. Now that doing doing gonna do this deal only to make me mad. Kevin is like, Dame, I'm not trying to make you mad. I like the kids. Who else? I like the diplomat ship. I want to funk with it. Now, you're just going crazy. You would. It's going through Rockefeller.

It's going through Rockefeller. Kevin's like, Dame. If it goes through death m or it goes through Rocket Feller, I get the same salary. It doesn't matter who it goes through. So if you wanted to go through there, yeah, yeah, it's going through us. So now we get the deal. You know, end up going through Damian Dame argue because I got a blunt roller from Peru. Man, I'm so nah so the nigger um. So the deal was taking a while. It took like a month when it was could of took a week. So now me and dam

is going getting into it. I'm like, bro, I got ship to do. Man like, yo, you're holding me up. He's like, yo, Man, this down the third I said, look, I'm gonna need a nine hundred thousand because you told me if this deal don't go through, you're gonna give me the bread. So, long story short, the bread came next week. So we got the deal and then duels

was signed. There, diplomats was signed. There. Now was Juel signed directly to def dam No he signed, He signed a diplomat and I had a drink venture with through rocket Feller with def Jam, but he was gonna be signed through diplomat no matter what to def Jam. Dame just wanted the rocket Feller logo on the deal as well. It's still a drint venture deal for me, you know what I'm saying. So I remember you was you was

shopping duels to violated offices. Remember that, Yeah, I remember for I think me buster rhymes and Chris like, yeah, yeah, I remember that. That's so how did you know? You? And Jim Jones story as well documented how how you guys mad, how you guys go up together and been free? But Joel's was a later on edition. Correct, well, Joel

was one of my second album. Yeah, you know. As soon as I left that, I ran into him, like my my best friend in elementary school basically was like, yeah, I got this kid this hot, and I got my ship together. At the time, I'm like, I don't really want to listen nobody. Time. I get my ship together, and I fell asleep on my car. He was dropping my car, and when I woke up, Juel was in my back seat. He's like, just to came, I'm telling you about. I'm like, yo, bro, what are you doing this?

It's weird, don't know what woke up? No, I woke up. He's like, this is Nick I'm telling you about. But I told him I didn't want to meet him because I'm like, my ship wasn't right. So when he woke up, I'm and now I'm like, why did you do this? So I'm like, yeah, you're already in the car rap and when he wrapped, he was super, HOWD. I'm like, this kid, it's tough. So I'm writing them to the studio and we started working on s D album. He's like,

actually on two songs on s D album. Yeah. So he's been with me since he's like fifteen, sixteen years old. You know, he didn't want to go to school because he went to school and watch his heights and he said his teachers didn't speak English and he couldn't understand him. Yeah. Man, so I made him write that's that. But that's how you've been up. I said, that's how long you've been down. Since he's fifteen years old. Sixteen. Yeah, he's going act on the Instagram all the time. He making you the

man on Instagram brother right now. He told me I gotta respect his fan base. Yeah, that's Mr pod Man. Well, can't keep a pot man. That's so you've just the same same time about so obviously, the first time I met you was it was a freestyle session. You know,

we said, we said, dn D, I believe you. I just don't remember the actual particulars of that, but that freestyle and it was you, Mace and Car that that was a dn D Studios, So that was you remember studios that that as Unique Studios and that's the only studio we come for. Yeah, you know that was like that was like the step up of D and D. But it's not right track, it's not due. I think he used to plant the roaches in there. Thing used to come like. But so for me, I mean, and

you had a relationship. But that was you and Mace and Car that I had always thought, y'all, I was a group. I thought that was Harlem World right then the children in the corner, No, that that's the way before n you know, it's crazy. I was doing you know what. I'm in the middle doing my dock and they fly the moving pieces. You know that need to be explained, like sooner the corner was big el Ship and me my God blesses that my man blood Shed and the producer Digger kind of ran with the name.

But Big I was trying to put the crew together and it was like Nicks from the Bronx and from Queens, Nicks from all over. So niggas didn't see each other every day like me blood and Digging this so and her McGruff too. So we kept the name. So but Farst caught in Mace and whatever and me called in and Mace, yeah, you know, Make got the deal with bad Boy. He was running around with them with Mace and you know, doing these free styles to clue freestyles everything.

Uh yeah, absolutely, So we always hanging run around with Mace, and Mace got this deal and uh we Mace had Hall and World. He wanted to name in Halloworld. So when he got his deal, he ended up getting uh label deal from Jamaine Duprie and a joint venture Hall and World. So so deaf because so Jamaine du Pre missed out on signing Makes he wanted to That's what makes want to sign with Originally the main du Pre missed out on it, so he doubled back to do the label dere and Mace was giving out. He was

recruiting niggas in the group and nobody really robbed. It was like, even as my brother you got how the six how wasn't no rapper? You know what I'm saying, I like I write it for him, sugar j He ain't no rapper. His sister not no rapper. Loon just started rapping at the time. I believe I don't want to tell what Loon started, but he was just coming on the scene as a rapper. And then they got

nigger named men know who really did rap. So I'm like, we could write these niggas because we're thinking the niggas who want to selling. So I believe we got deal for two million dollars. He was getting everybody ten thousand dollars, so he's about to get me ten thousands. I'm like, hold on, I'm not part of the ten thousand dollar crew. I'm writing the fucking souls and ship like, what the

fund is the ten thousand? No? No, So he started like IRV and not picking the phone up in all this others, and I'm like, no, I got the bust moves. I'm not that how you wanna get meet ten thousand. I'm writing the songs or write niggas versus and you're giving the niggas who don't write rhymes or anything like that the same amount. This math is not right for me, So I end up just started doing my own thing. I have to kurt that situation. So where did y'all

go wrong? Then? That I'm seeing? So me and Mace Mason do a lot, a lot of little ship that that I don't really always gotta be talked about, you know what I'm saying. But he'll do little ship like call me randomly and be like, yo, meeting. We speak a couple of years and he'll be like, YO, meet me here. I'll be like, I bet. I give an example. This one example, he calls me out the blue one day randomly. This is on tape, my man tape. He's like, YO, meet me or two five. I ain spet him a

couple of years. I like, I bet this probably two thousand eight, probably two thousand and eight years or something like that. You like, meet me on her twin fifth from like bad I meet him. We talk. He's like, y'all gotta go to funk Flex car show. Let's go together. I'm like, all right, cool, I gotta do something. He's like, I gotta do something too. He tells me, you'll meet me on her forty ninety by the gas stations. All right, cool, go over there. He don't pick the phone up, called

me back. Oh I'm bugging. I'm boy River Park towers. All right, Cool? I go over there. Yeah, yeah, he don't because consoles in West sester Side. He don't pick up. So now me, howey, it's a few other nigs be like, it's this niga doing this again. So we go to the car show, like let's see if the cars he did. He's like, oh, ship, y'all, what y'all doing here? Y'all good? This nothing? And so me like, yeah, why you gottas running around the city and ship? He like, come on,

I know y'all not bugging over that. And I'm like, yea, all y'at do that. You don't fucking me. But that's it's a bunch of that. It's like if a nigga keeps talking you on your side a honey, times you're just gonna slap them. So that it's that ship happens a million times. That little story right there. I can't even tell you how many different times that happens. And just get to the like like like I said, like we do our research and where the artists come. We

listen to the music. And when I'm listening to music, it's even on Welcome to New York City is like you said, I'm gonna give what you said, Uh May Scott, he ran to Atlanta, So I can tell us like something that was it the Horse and Carriage video because you know what, I was in the Horse and Carriage video. It's crazy. Fifty cent told me he's in the water too. Birds said he's in the in the video in the water. Bird says a lot of modees in that video. Therson

Carriage video show. I'm talk about you cheated me in basket. We've been talking about that later. But um, definitely, definitely these all the niggas turned different. Like once it was time of wait basketball, they put on goggles coming out blow tried it out of nowhere, but get bat of that later. But so's that like a shot to your face, like when you know y'all boys right, And you know I had to get learned that lesson to where a person said, you know what, you gotta pay me, like

like you know what I'm saying, we're coming up? And what was that? Was that a lesson? Like what what? Because I guess that was the rumor that he wanted to be paid or something and he said it on that day. That's the reason why he didn't show up. No, I think I wasn't tripping off that under number was more mad about it, you know, because they felt they other business they did with Mason everything else and so on and so forth, that Mace wanted Bread to do

another song on my album. I didn't get really triple off that they undt. I was trying to plant that my head, like how your man charging you? How they stand the third And I'm sitting there like I ain't tripping because I'm me. You know, I would have been doping for his there, but I knew what I was destined to do, so I wasn't tripping. But you know that was more in Jacob York being mad about that

than I was. I wasn't. But you didn't feel nothing like because you know, I mean, you could have showed up, but I wasn't gonna crowd. But I turned out good. You know, it turned out real good. But I I'm more upset. Well, I was more upset over the ship. I just told you. Yeah, like yeah, like yeah, the music like my nigga because you know, at the end of the day, Mace, but I tell the nigger's two and I don't really hold accountable like fastest right, you

know a nigger right now, definitely right there. Let's say they're thirty five years old. If you give a nigga two hundred thousand right now just is nigga you know on the hud or whatever. They might lose their mind because they never had that much money at one time. Like I know a nigger now there's thirty three skim hut one time, he's gonna go crazy smoking cigarettes exactly that.

So Mace was twenty two years old, triple platinum, probably ten million dollars, and still trying to be in the hood, like you know that ship you look back on because you know me. You know you're year older than me. But at that point you'd be like, yo, why are you doing this? While you're doing that, You're like, nigged lord, you might lose your mind with ten million dollars three years old. You get what I'm saying. You ever felt you you went Hollywood like I ain't got a lot

ninety eight, I might have went to far. Did I ever feel like I want? Yeah, like I ain't gonna like when I hit flatting, I didn't know how to do. I was with two. I felt I was Hollywood before I was anybody saying, like my com from that say go up, I wake up this morning. I talked to myself in a mirathon ten minutes where I leave my house and telling myself, I'm that nigga. Me my ship, nigga walk in on me, like Yo, what's going on? I'm like, Yo, do that ship? You know what I'm saying.

I practice out with my how walk like I walk on the treadmill, practice, I walk up on the block nigga because I feel I'm that nigga, you know what I'm saying. So I ain't really feel no way about nothing that ship. But I never I felt I was Hollywood before I was Hollywood and I have a dollar but you know what I mean, Do I have Hollywood

with my niggas? No? No, I mean did you ever like you know, Um, I had to be brought down, like you know what I'm saying, Like, you know, just sometimes just being a man in the world and just realizing, like you know what this is, just this is just famous like that, and I had to like you ain't never have had that problem, humble, Yeah, nor haven't because it's just like yo, because you know what, like for instance, right, certain niggas they gotta wear jewelry every day or whatever.

You know, if it's something to do, I'm gonna get flyer. I'm gonna step up. I'm gonna show you I dressed better than you, but I'm gonna show you my swag better. I'm sure you can't compete, you know what I'm saying. If I need to do. But I'm going to this store, I'm gonna put on a regular T shirt. Might gotta holding it from my ashes or anything else. And I'm still gonna talk to you how I want to talk to you, because I don't feel I need none of this ship to be the person I am. You get

what I'm saying. But when it's time to show up and show out, wonder all that too. But that's just my attitude. I come from my harsh neighborhood. Man, you know what I'm saying. And when I say hard, I'm talking about the joke harsh. It's like they joke real harsh, like the jokes and ship. You may feel like it's not a joke, you know what I'm saying, Like it's real, like like Big Alt two, he's a funny nigger, that's my man. And I'll be like, yo, this, these jokes

are not funny if they just somebody else. You know what I'm saying. I knew, you know, give reason we outside, somebody knew how the ship back on and they arguing with somebody else that I know, And my man was like, yo, change your ship back. You stick in the middle of an argument. But it was cool injury like someone that he got stabbed up ship mad metically and he's outside talking, et cetera. But nigga snapping and nigga just like yore changing ship back, you stick like ya. It's a harsh

thing to say, and they just kept it moving. But I used to be like ya, this is this is ruw and this is fucked up over here, like the way they talked that niggas. You know, you got out that shell growing up because you don't even know what nigg is gonna talk about. You had a record with Wayne Younna suck it or not? Record went crazy, but he did. He wasn't at the video. What happened with that one. I didn't really shoot a video for that. It wasn't half went into that joint. No, that was

not the only thing I did for a second. A matter of fact, I did shoot the video for sucking nine went to wet White. Um. I don't remember. But the keeping their hunting Um, Bootsy and Webby was on that song first. You know what I'm saying, shout to

Booty and Webby. You know what. Yeah, it was released some type of way, but Wayne heard it and you know, Top my Squids Asylum, they wanted to put Wayne on it, and um, it was a last minute decision before we you know, and ended up mastering the album or whatever. But the song originally was Bootsy and Webby and they was originally on it. But um, you know, Wayne, Wayne

is a fan and it came out. I don't even want to sit here and say how or why, But regardless, I'm not big on if you show up to the video you did the song, thank you, you know what I'm saying. But Wayne, my man. Today I called Wayne Wayne one of them niggas just gonna send a record back before the sun. You know what I'm saying. You worked fast, so definitely, how was it at the time

we made a song called about About It. Um didn't go to New Orleans a lot, so a lot of people didn't know how important you was doing about about It and remaking that. How was that working with master here at that time? It was dope? That was what what happened was I was a fan of the South always. I went to school in Texas, you know, family in South. But not only that, I traveled lived outside of New York. I lived in Ohio, I lived in Chicago. And I see how big of a fact our artists had, Like

New York niggas. Our mentality is we the biggest niggers in the world. Pause, But when you go out of town, niggers don't really care too much about all that New York ship. They got their own ship going on. So I always respected that being able to travel, and me and masr P we end up sitting on the flight next to each other and we just talked the whole flight, and um, I was like, yeah, I want to remake your record. He liked bet and we did it. And he owns that master correct for my soul about his

own Yeah, yeah, he could only do it. He could clear Yeah, he cleared it for me. So we did the song and it was cool. Jim didn't like it. Jim directed the video not just only in light and that's he was super cool when we shot the video. But I guess when they're doing b ROW, I wasn't there for everything. He was screaming on Jim. I guess because it was taking time and stupid. I we're four hundred million. They got me standing out here, and Jim was like, it's hard to work with this guy four

millions in fitness. That another park on a hund fifty first by Joels, but first Amsterdam. And now it's like there were so many kids outside, but you know, you do the big scene with everybody, so I gotta beat

it all time. Jim taking them to do little b road shots to this, and I guess they took time to set the camera and he just kept screaming this four hundred millions shot out and niggas just holding him up and he got shipped to do in order because Jim kept calling me like, Yo, this sniker keeps telling me you got four billion and he ain't got time for this ship. You say, you said I got four on a minute, what do we do? What do you say? Stay patient? We need it, you know, we need it. Yeah,

we need this look. So that's what happened. Who was the eldest person that you told you there was a fan of you that you was like it was personal study, all right, So it's a dope story. Right. So my first album, my first album is not even out yet, and we're in the airport. It's me and a couple of my niggers and Laurd Fishburne walked past, just randomly like We're like, oh shit, fucking Laurence Fritshburn. We don't have no album, so we like talking to see Laurence Fishburn.

He's like, yo, man, he loved Lauren Frishburn. No HOMEO. So jim is sitting there. Jimmy's like, y'all, I was in choice of Russ And if you call him Larry, he loses his mind. He don't like to be called Larry. So my man is an ask. So he died, I'm in Fast Show and got blessed to day. He like, yo, Larry just yeah, he looked to be like he looked. He's like yo, I said, what's up, Larry? Ship. So Laurence Fishburn stops and walks over and says, what you just called me? Is that the airport? Yes? Yes? And

the airport He's like, what did you call me? He's like, I said, what's uping Larry? What's was happening? So we're like, yo, we fans this stand the third he tuned in us out. He's like, yo, why are you calling me like? He said, because that ship name. He said, my name is Lawrence. He said, your name is Larry. Hilarious. I'll get it. Let me tell you this, just this story, so about

to do research on it. His name was Larry when he was young, but then after hire learning he changed at the Lawrence I guess Larry's will and niggery and then he did learning and he said he want to be like proper Black, the Matrix and all this ship. So anyway, he like, man, fuck you. He teld my men that we like yo, don't listen to him. Jim and just did a scene on New York Undercover as an extra and he active say, Jim was like an extra New York Uncle last side, you know, no album out.

He's promoting ship. So he walks off. You're like, yo, why you do that? Sean like, what's wrong with you? Like man funk that your name is Larry. So we're chilling, like ten minutes later, this nigga come back. It's sitting next to us, be like, yo, man, don't worry about him. He now he overre my man is Sean over there be like, yo, man, we fished. Jim like, I'm like, my man was just on New York going to cover if you can help us out with the little active ship,

need a little kig and all that ship. You're like, I'm not helping you all, and be like what's wrong? Man? He like you with somebody who keep calling me Larry. My man leaned over and say your name is laughing and don't ask me again, Lord Fishburn, get up, get out, taking his wallet out, put in my men face. What does that say? My man is like, I don't care what he's say. Your name's Lay. So we're like, yo, fuck him. Then I'm about to be a rapper. What

I'm saying snigger. My man is acting to stand the third yo, so the Maura fisherroom. Wow. So he says, yo, stop acting me for help. Man. You know what I'm saying, funk that I'm not helping y'all. Just think you gotta understand. So now Jimmy's basically begging Lord Fishburn. Now I'm like, are you fuck you? Get the funk out of here, like kissing your ass and man, fuck you matter fact, I'm about to swing on you. So Frishburn like you backed up. This nigga pulls some gloves out of his

pocket and put on his gloves. So I'm like, I looked at my man team, I'm like, you're about to jump this nigga. He just looked and walked off off like the like a movie like just walked off into the ship. And I'm like, my man showing like you an asshole. I said, I got tired of kissing his ass. He was like, nah, he was on the verge of snuffing me. Man, I'm just gonna fall out, fun up everything, brother,

I said, I can't take it no more anyway. Fast forward to answer your question, my man is driving my pink range over one day at hall On like stuff like like yeah, so yeah like fish Lawrence like whatever, He's like, yeah, camera Pink range over. He's like yes, my man, he said, Yo, tell that guy love his music. Man, I'm a big fucking fan of camera man. You let him know that. And I'm like, Lawrence don't even know that.

I was listening the airport like fucking six years ago that she was going crazy because Nikka called you Larry. Now you're a fan of my music, My nigga, Look look at that my nigga. So that's a person who I would say is a fan who basically shipped on us, to us to kick rocks and get the funk out of here because my man was going crazy on that. Make some noy for that guy, Laurence I was. I was scared. Now, I don't call him yea man. You

don't like Larry, you want to be Laurus. So so I imagine growing up being from all from all, being from New York City, you had to be fans of Jay and not. But at one point you was at odds with Jay and Not. I mean, which one you want to talk about first? If you if you don't matter either. So all right, let's say j J for instance, because you were at Rocket Feller and this is you leaving Rocket Feller or exiting Rocket Feller. Just these records

that pop up now. But what happened was I believe Dame was gonna make me the president of the Rocket Feller. This is his office. That was just that has to do with this office he was talking about earlier. No, we just house. That wasn't the same time and he was the president. It never really came before wishing me being a president being an actually president. He wanted to make me a president, Okay, and I don't think he talked to j about that, you know what I'm saying.

So like when i ainked some bust it and me and Jake Cool were just on the sky Zoom call like a week ago. So this just stories. Me and Jain't got no problems. We're super cool. So by the way, I thought, I'm gonna take it with me. No, no, I appreciate it. So. Um, Basically, when I got the rocket feller, you know, I tried to ingratiate myself with everybody because I don't know what that means. Yeah, I'm

trying to be cool whatever I'm trying to say. They already have something going and trying to be cool with everybody because y'all got your own thing, you know what I'm saying. I don't want to come in here and seem like I'm stepping on toes or whatever. So I'm cool with everybody. You know, Hey, this down the third and you know Jay Jay is a competitor, you know what I'm saying. So me coming there, I don't know this was dame situation and say something that he did,

so you know, um, first thing is happened. I bought Kay Slay up there, and I guess I didn't know he was mad at Kase Slave because kse Slay musts to play Eta at the time, and he was mad at now for Ether and Order. Never heard this story. Yeah, yeah, I'm telling you. You can tell you what happened. You got ask Kate slept. So I wait a minute, run case Lay up to baseline. Yeah, okay, this is after

case Slag. He definitely voted for NAS either, remember this. Yeah, so bordom up there because you know we're using case Slay the hostid mixtape. So Kay came up there, boom. Jay wasn't there. But as I'm leaving, Jay is in the lobby of Baseline, So I want k to the elevator, and I guess they said Jay and jay Z said what's up whatever? So I walked back and he said, Yo, you gotta be careful who you're bringing around here. He might have just slapped the ship out of Case Slang.

And I'm like, wait, what's going on, man? And you know, I don't even know what's going on. He's like he's like, he's like, yo, just saying be careful all right, cool, this your house. Ain't that no problem with that? You know what I'm saying. It's all good. Cool, we're building buzz up. I'm like, yo, Jay in the studio, I'm like, yo, we might want to hop on his record. We're building the buzz and he'll just look like, okay, that's cute, Like he didn't say that, but he's like okay. I'm like,

ain't cool. Cool. I don't know what's going on, but whatever, So um, I start heating up, you know what I'm saying, And he like, yo, we seeming you know, you can tell us some tension. So one day I come to the studio. You're like, yo, it seemed like it's some tension in here. Yea, yeah to me, I'm talking. I don't know if exact words, but he says something going on. I just want to let you know. I see all niggers rocking. I ain't got no problem. Were all good,

you know what I'm saying. So I'm like, bad, um just got a song up right now, you know, like, yeah, let's just do it now. And he's like, back, so we did the song room, So I said, yo, the song. He know we might could do the video He like, okay, we back to that cool so that that happened, then back to all we're saying about I'm starting to do bus moves or whatever. Because there was that. There was a ja the verse on Old Boy, and you might tell you that. So Pete Crap, nobody's fucking Pete Crap,

Stay Property, nobody, Peddy Crack. I was gonna fun with Speedy Crap. He had the song one for Pete Crap. Yeah, that was this on myself. I put me in jewels on it. Taking the Dame like about the fun, He like, he fulfilled you to funk with Stay Property. I'm like, why everything I gotta be so philly, this holmness. I don't think I heard the story Pete Cracker story. Don't even need to drink it's on flat. He told the story on VLAG. I already knew how I went anyway,

But he tells the story. So day in the studio he said he got this hot song. You know, because he wasn't signing State Property. I was working with him. He come to New York or whatever, and I was gonna sign him, but Dame was like, I was gonna suck up ful Philly and all this ship, and I'm like, so Pete was was like, it's a situation with Bothyard's right, by the way, Yeah, Dame is right, and you were right. This is a situation. But continue. So he's property but

it's seeming like that, but he's not. So he's like, I'm not signing him niggas camp. So we did the song, so he played. Pete's playing the song for jay Z whoever else in the studio and like I said, Pete, Pete crack story is on flack. He talks about a couple of interviews. I already knew how it went though, but we don't mention the other outlets. Yeah, so he's playing sorry about that. So he's especially that they apologize a couple of videos. He he a couple of the

interviews he mentioned this. So he says he's in the studio playing it and my verse come on and j say, stopping erased that ship and just erased my whole verse. So Pete calls me, he like, you're saying the original one for Pete? You're on there, would you? Yes, pets in the studio actually plays director. No, this is what happened. I used to go to Philly. I has Salon and Philly.

You know what I'm saying. So so one night after you know, check on my business and Philly, I go to a club, this DJ Koreyak I think his name was, and I'm like, in the hole in the wall and PT Crack is performing in this hole in the war and the whole club is going crazy. So I went up to him in Meadow. I'm like, yo, what's up here? Like now you know beans just down the third and then I funk with everybody. You know, there were those

with his niggas. So then a week or two later I went to I don't know at the time when we go to Philly radio station and he's outside the radio station. Yeah, he's outside the radio station, and he like, chill her, what's up man? I'm like, I thought you with state property? Me like, game ain't signing Damon's there. He's like, they main't sign me nothing. I'm like, word, so that record you there still not send it to me?

Wasn't sending that some type of way? He gave me a CD I think I had, and I did it and gave it to him. He came there, used to come to New York. So when I did it, Dame. It's like, yo, hold on, I said, the man said, he's not signing y'all. There's nobody. Well, you know we was gonna do this and I was gonna do that, and I'm like whatever. So then what happened was Dame said, look, I guess beans and nothing's like, how can this was

pt cracks on me? How Kim and them jumping on our record on the Philly record bed, Like, I ain't know you wanted to do the record. So Dame come to me. I guess it was a problem over that or whatever. Dame like, Yo, this is what we're gonna do. We're gonna put state property on it and keep you on it. We're gonna take you els off. I'm like, now, didn't take me off to like, I don't understand what's going on? Why this is such a big deal, like

it was gonna takes off and leave you. And I'm like, nah, man, I said, well take me off the record to man and ain't no problem. You know what I'm saying. But prior to all this video for that song and everything, jay Z heard the verse and just eraseing my ship to Pete crack erace it or shame whoever was um engineering that day. I'm like, what's it's why I'm back and energy going on, but we don't give a funk. But Cam, I gotta ask because this is very deep.

Everybody's good, everybody's good. Drink right now, but this is this is one facts you know that that happened. You know that that if you want, we could pull this interview. Pull it up on your phone. We've got people who's paid for that. Let's go first. You pull up, pull up, Cameron Jewells and Pete crap. It's just called pet ain't casting my course for a minute. Ken, Yeah, yeah, but you put up, pull up. I don't want to bring it. I don't want to. I want to bring Zeke in,

but I don't want to. You got it, want to keep going, you get him all not even be even better coming from that. I never heard this story. So but I'm saying not the fact that that doesn't exist, but the fact that the person that said that Jay said to take that verse off. That's really one million percent. I wouldn't be on your show making no ship. Yeah yeah, yeah,

you know what I'm saying. I mean, I know you got a huge ordiance ain't on time, you know, Like I said, Jay may I have a different way of going about it. But this with Pete Crack said, he's like because he wanted to give me a copy, but already had a copy. I put it on my mixtape. So you saying that to say that to bring it to old boy, right, So you know, J one Day was like, um yeah, J one Day was like, um, y'all, did I did a little son for you in the studio.

I was coming in through, he was walking out, So I'm like, then he had son the old Boy And I was like, this is old Boys already number one. Yeah, it's popping, Yeah, this is popping. Yeah, this is the rough draft when old boys already lit right you to right right. So I listened to it and I was like, erased that ship. She did the ship to me. So I was like, I race it. That's how the song got a race. You know what, just say something as

a petty nick. Patty like to take back my clothes, likes to buy a bit like taking back bringing up here. I'm taking that as a petty nick. Yeah, so there is no more level deserved, just right like you literally he raised the jay Z but yeah, because he raised my verse. You know what I'm saying. You know what I'm saying. So let no not that taking out the back and put that paint horse power up there? What the big horse power. Let's finish the story. So yeah, so, um,

that's why a racist verse. And I would love PD crack picked the phone up, even pick up. No, I just text him. Yeah, so we let somebody say something about him. No, make a good presentable. That's via right right, that would take me somebody. Yeah. So and it's all natural. Um so basically, so bust it right one day and that's all After the president ship, Like I said, I think that's where ship went bad. That not confirming with j about Dames saying making me the president. I went

on Rap City and talked about it. And what I said was, you know, Dame, this what Dame told me, I'll making you president. We're gonna bring beans along further when he get it together, Non learn more about the business that ya YadA. So I was repeating with Dame told me. So one day I come on basely by myself. J I went on vacation or some ship. That's why he wasn't around the office. So I walked in the studio by myself. It's Jay is beans is bleak and you know you're walk in the room and you know

they were just talking about you. Everybody stopped, so I'll just walk in. Music not playing no More and nobody talking something like and you by yourself by myself. I'm like, so, y'all's like nine. So Nikka being said, Yo, kind of talk to you for a minute. We go outside of the room. I said, what's up. He's like, yo, bro, he said, please don't make me look bad on TV No More and Data data. I said, what are you

talking about? He said, now you told me I don't know the business and this that in the third I said, yo, my nigga ain't trying to make you look bad. I just was repeating with Dames said if you feel away, I apologize, But that wasn't my attempt to make you look bad. He's like, yeah, please man, because I look crazy. So I said, okay, I see what's going on in

this room. Before I walked in. This is kiming them got the office, Kim and him, but moves Kim doing this without authorization speaking to Jay and being us company. You know you could have you could have guest let him know whatever. But Jay didn't really come to the office. And that's one thing I say about Jay. No matter what we had a problem with everything I had to do, I had to get six seven signatures, Big Jay, Dane, Leo, Julian,

Kevin Lows for six signatures. He always signed off on everything, but it was good or bad. He wasn't hating or anything I was doing. But that's why I race his verse, because you know, that's how he raised my verse. And then it just became further and it's just the relationships. This is what's what's weird. Because after that, you still did New York City. To know that was before that, oh that was New City was recorded, befoh, I didn't

know that. Oh like it like it was levels of it was levels of And like I said, I just think this j As is a person like you gotta earn his respect, but see me personally. And I may have came in there with the wrong attitude for not to me, but just to him thinking because I you know, I knew, I knew Jay Z as far as I've been in this house from five sixties State Street, not respect everything he did before music career. I remember, um,

what happened. Now he's trying to tell me, try to get you to drink like I'm gonna get drink the same holding so because basically I remember jay Z used to open up form not even open up. He had no deal or nothing. They just had money him and Dane was getting money and me and Bleek used to ride around with them. No, Jay had no deal. We just young niggas. I was Damn young man, Bleak was j young nigga, and I remember, you know, they had the song Coming of Age and Bleek used to perform

that with them. My mom going to Philly, me Bleak, Jay and Dame just in the in their car and m G S three hunting and them niggas opening up for red Man not part of me, method Man. Methyd Man was on top of the world and Damon Jake paid to open up. I think Penn State one of them colleges to to open up for them niggas, and you know it was dope. It wasn't a lot of people in the crowd, nothing, but you know it was

bugged out. Years later when they had the rock the mic to methy Man and red Man was opening up for fucking jay Z. They was opening that. I was like, that's fucking amazing because I'm but these niggas just paying to open up. They have no deal, they ain't have nothing they have. Brandon said, let us be the opening that, you know what I'm saying. So you know the progression of jay Z. I've seen it a lot of it. You know, I'm not gonna sit there and say you got no Ti ti and or be high or source

money or jazz at any of them niggas. But you know, I felt I was close enough to be like, now I've seen you grow, my nigga. So when I got there, I thought I may have had that same report from what we had the ninety four and ninety five or whatever years it was, you know what I'm saying, And

obviously it wasn't that. It wasn't that same relationship. You know what I'm saying, because I tell niggas on the time to time, it's a nigger who made me want to get money, Like I got kicked out of college, right, I ain't have a dollar. And I remember meeting me and Dane went to meet jay Z and ty Ty and Jackson holds a restaurant in New York, Hamburgers and all that. So he went to meet them one day and they have some It was with two checks to me,

and Dame just pulled up eight with them. So I'm like, damn, I don't have a dollar I just got Yeah, I just got kicked out of college. Yeah, like literally like a week after that, and Ty, look, yeah, you know he's short, so you're know how old TI tires or whatever, and it was time to pay for for the building. I'm like this about Dame got me or whatever and talk he probably older than me, but I thought he

was my age and younger. And this nigga pulled out a not like this, and I was like, who you fain? And I'm like, oh, if nigga is my age like this getting this much money, I got to go get some money. And he did. Nigga. I swear to guy that day. I was like, I'm gonna get money to morrow. If I gotta robbing the gotta do whatever. I'm not gonna my age pulling out this much money he paid for everything. That really motivated me to say I don't give a funk more and get some money in that week.

Later I started getting money for that. Not creaky, creaky motherfucker ziggy man, what's going on, dude? We think good bro'reving around the circle. Calls in the hurricane, don't you. Yeah, he found it. He did this. I'm connected and we need to get pt crack on. You say you don't want to promote the I think we should get We can't use it though. That's not with me. Yeah, but that's crazy. I didn't know that story at all. You're not dreak ze right now, right now, right now, I'm freaky. Yeah,

don't leave along drinks. He don't know how to drink for one of two days. It's like a three month thing that I'm talking about. Word, no, no, not, it's not it's not good. Let's not get stuff. Let me stuff just me for me. I'm gonna drink for both of y'all. I'm reading for both of y'all. We usually take shots to this time. I mean, you want take a shot together. He called in. He's ready, but he's trying to figure out how the phone. This is. This is too good talk. Yeah, let us talk. We're trying

to figure out the FaceTime. He doesn't have a iPhone, so so put it on speaking. They know that voice. Let's see, let's is it going to going to your mic portion? Did you be boss? I didn't even I don't even know. I just say no, homo, but I know, I don't know if that's politically correct. You know what I'm saying about. I didn't invent that. That's my niggas from the east Side. Let crack. It's good cat told to you yo, yo, this ship. Shoot, how are you

doing you all right? Yeah? Yeah, right man? No good going on? I'm been locking nothing and I miss you like a motherfucker force. Man. I love this nigga. I love y'all love this nigga. This nigga he has no this niggas genuine no filter period, yo. So listen, I'm telling the story about how the whole ship started with you. A rocket fell and they're like, Kim. They're not saying they don't believe me, but they like, are you sure? And I was telling them, could you tell them how

we met? Real quick? Yeah, real brief? You want to do anybody now? Yeah? All right to check it. Um. It was a DJ named Korey. I can't silly throwing like this before I find to anything to throw these drunks. They let Nig perform that, and uh can and Korea is a real tighten. So Kim would come to fill me a lot. How we care about it? All we care about I don't know how to get into that bullshit,

but anyway, how to hear something out there? Right? The chick in the headphlines who we always do about that ship? So I performed at the joint and Kim was in the thud and he heard it the next day. He must have got my number from Corey. He called me, got rack right? No, what's good? I need a voice from the rip. I'm like, oh, Ship, I'm a big camera fans my man now, but even before for Full three fifty seven and all that, you man a fan of hip hop period, So I'm hight. I came on

the phone. He's like, yo, I want to do that song that journe. Did you be saying that mat goes the name? I said, that's one for P. D. Craig. We could throw it over. What's up? He said, come up to New York bringing with you ll Uh, I'm gonna meet you there baseline to believe it that a matter of fact, I got a head love of that baseline. The next day he came in in the middle of the night. Then the elves got baby on that drink. I come in the next day, the versus his on it.

I'm in there. I'm in the main room. I'm excited me and man uh Jay walk saying I'm playing the ship for everybody to walk in because I'm just geeking because I got a drinking cam on the ship about to go around for me. That's in my head. You're any time I Mike Jay walked in. I'm not gonna check this ship off. I played. I played my part. I come on. I don't know who came on first. You gotta come on first. And came was like after me, and soon the can verse come on like he just

liked to stop that ship. He stop it. He's like, Yo, delete that ship. I'm gonnoking. I looked up, like, Yo, hold on a lot, what the is going on? Yo? Delete that ship? Um, you got cracked you on even you're doing that drink. Do you do what you gotta do your thing? And just walked out the room and ship. I'm stuck. I'm sitting there looking crazy. I'm like, God, ship, I just had a feature with the nigger can deleted my ship. Um I caught. So the next a couple of days later, I'm in New York. I'm l a

oh on can. I got a call from I think you to share you Somebody from the office was like, yo Pete uh. I said, I'm about to leave. She's like, hold up, Kim on the line. You want to talk to you, get on the phone with it like you crack man, umy man. You know we all funk with you. El. Everybody's likes man or freaky everybody and if you want, man, you always got a home over here with us over

the this shet niggas. I said, I appreciate that, man, but write this shoot out with these niggas and by him telling you like being so Gim went with me right there, just keeping the phone in with me like that. I just said to keep. I had to tell me like yo, Bro, I was in the studio thinking Jay to leave at your first I'm thinking the nigga can gonna react like on something like I sess ship. And he didn't even save him. He just was like, yo, man,

don't worry about that ship cracked. Just do what you gotta do, man, Go get on your flight and go kill that ship. Whatever you're doing, man, don't even doing any trip. And right before I flew up, he called me back and I had a drop. He had to drip, and just to drip. He met me somewhere. He pulled up and had like the blue uh seven forty five and some ship was one of these the husky BIMs spread up for me and gave me the TV. I had another copy of the ship I got, you know,

I mean just that that we don't like run. I got a copy of this ship. You go right to it. I rocked ship the whole way, the whole flame um to l A. I get the l A. If you want me to go further, that's all you want. You want more of that? You can wrap it up with you. Yeah, yeah, yeah, because I get the l A. Get the whole more like her, more like spooky to me. So what the

fucker is going on? I think just off the on the strip that back was riding for um for Jay, and I mean, and that was this man under the circumstances. I ain't understand that the issues that Kim and Jay had a time, I ain't know. I just was like, what the fund was up with these niggas. I didn't know because it wasn't really talked about that much, but it was going on. So I get to l A. I played the CD. I'll painted in the CD the whole way. I know all the words that anybody versus

and anything. I need to l a uh go up to the road. I think beings and Leith was playing the game in the in the suite. Put it in the CD. Mack, get up and you check people and breaking ahead and throw it in the trash. So I'm looking at was the like, but she was like the tighlights on that ship. And that's when I realized, said the math, get what you take. I'll tell you what you're talking. Okay, all right, crap. We love you, brother.

I'm about to tax you now. I'm about to text you from my number when I get out of here. So you got my number where you at? You're a Philly right now, I'll call you when I get out of here. Y'all the sid he's saying Kim that he wait, wait, wait, not only everything I told you, I didn't need to break the studio. He went the studio J deleted it, but he called to tell me about I had a copy.

I gave him a copy anyway before he went to his flight to elect to go to l A. He said he flew all the way in l A to me State property when he got this. When he got to l A, beans and whoever else from state property was in there playing the game. And he's like, yo, listening ship I did with Kim and jewels, And when he played at being stopped playing the game, injected and broke the C D and half and threw it in

the garbage. That's exactly what he said. He did co me. Well, me and you are only record after that was what R Kelly and jay Z need you. How then was he getting that record? I used to live in Chicago. You know I couldn't be ignored in Chicago. Well, well I go say, I'm gonna make noise, be like never could step on all Kelly toads in Chicago, but they knew about us. We're playing it our flag out there, like so we all have to do Chicago dips at Chicago weekends all that ship. So you want to funk

with me? And like his uh manage at the time, Georgian Regina Daniels, they took me in. They really like took a liking to me and ship so they was heavy in the city, especially George Daniel. I ain't gonna say and tell you all remember I don't even remember, you know, I did a few songs were all Kelly. Remember we did a video on Cali and all that, So that particular time, I'm not sure if Kelly was

there not, but you know we're still funk around. Pause, y'all say no, petty man, have you got a segment on the show called quick Time with slam right now? Quick time was slam me. You pick one of the right. Usually if the person picked both, we take a shot for it. But being at y'all, Satan's or something, yes, something going down, something going down over there, y'all motherfuckers in the church or something in the daytime. So don't worry. We're gonna hold y'all. Dad, I'm gonna take with you.

Ain't got regular rock I'll take the fucking white grade. This is terrible. You should you you want, I don't got y'a already tear me your story. I'm not bad, ain't drinking you even know, but Rocky Tarryaki, I'm not. I can't lie to your man for years many alright, cool, so alright, cool and tune it comes, make it going on. Ain't got the regular I got. I don't think he's gonna pick both on this one anyway. The first one you're ready to care quick time and slim, what the

fuck go the other? Surrock? Yeah? Oh yeah, So it's gonna be me and you a cool we'll replaced it. Come on, you know, put something for some ice in this motherfucker. All right, very very grat now's a jay Z. I don't know, man, we're gonna make us drink off. So if you don't think well, we gotta drink. If you say both, we gotta drink. If you say both, we gotta drink. Please don't do that, don't do us like pick one. I ain't mad at you do both. I'm gonna go with jay Z if I got to.

But it's really hard, it's really he says, that's hard. It's hard. It's really hard to pick you know what. Let me tell you something, right, y'all can feel to drink. I'll tell your story real quick, quick story. Ain't gonna drag when I was, when I was, when I was trying to get an album out, like I knew ja Ja was coming up with Ain't no Nigga and all that, and I was at this girl house and uh, I was. She was like, Jay is nice, Jayden, I don't think at first, I don't even come out. You're like, I

like jay Z. I'm like better than Nas. She like yeah, And I'm like, Na, no, no, no, you're bugging. You're bugging you like Nasa is the nigga. Nas, You're bugging. She like, Kim, listen when I go to the club, I don't want to bring addiction every with me. You know what I'm saying. I just want to have a party and have a good time. And that's that. I don't want to have to think so much. And I was like, I kept that in mind for when I

went forward. I'm like, you know, certain ships you could get deep on with certain people, you gotta dumb it damn for as well too. You know what I'm saying. Yeah, you know what I'm saying. So um, I always kept that in mind moving forward when she said that, But it's the only reason I would pick jay Z over Nas. And like I said, Nas to me, it is a supreme lyricist it's just that, you know, I would say, if I'm in the club, you could play more in

the club, you know what I'm saying. But if i'm driving thinking, you probably want to listen to Niles more, you know what I'm saying. So that's the only reason. But it's a trick question, you know what I'm saying. Do you consider yourself lyricist? Like when you think about it, I could be, you know what I'm saying, But sometimes I dumped it down too because it's like coming in you you was coming in absolutely okay under Dame Dame Dash, Dame Dash. Okay, this is pretty easy, all right, Uh this,

this is gonna be easy as well. Mace with you else, I'm gonna pick you outs. But but you can't. You know, I can't take away with Mace did as well, you know what I'm saying, but definitely drops thinking. They both got to three albums. But I'm always gonna pick you else. But you know you don't want to take away with Mace. You know, people still funk with him, funk with his music, you know, fun with Mason not I probably once a week, once for me once a month. Still listen to Um

been around the World remix. You know what I'm saying. I love that saying Okay, this, this is really I think we sucked up Biggie or Big Gul. I'm gonna go with big El because I knew him more personally and I knew what he did. I'm not saying what Biggie did for the world. It's kind of like the un situation that we just talked about earlier. They was close to him and I was close to big Out, but I don't think big Al really got the shot to heat the fish shot that he deserved. But I'm

not gonna sit there. And you know, Biggie's definitely like a world renowned top MC considered. You know what I'm saying, I funking round and say Biggie and go to Lennox and get hit over my head for not saying it. You Rockefeller, right, he was supposed to know with big Al bigged us up. He's like, you know, I want to do with cam and and Nori is doing was

a great yeah. Right. You see that click where Bigger Al was like bigging us up was me you I think me you DMX like the top three dudes at the time, and Bigger it's like right before, I think it was one of the best to do it. He picked up up like he was like, yeah, I love the way that they're doing it. So people were moving on. Okay, Lebron and Jordan, Jordan, you're very easy mans um independent on major independent. Damn, look at you losing so far.

I'm dumb, dumb if we were sinking. Yeah, I've been losing. I um on the World Times, children in the court, children in the corn. Okay, mo or Ace, we gotta be politically correctly, so you don't have to be. You could be. You can go with with you one. I drink more wax. But click on the other day, what is what is that? It's clicko, right, it's clicko. But it's rich the new like Rose Ship. I'm about to say, I'm a funk with the Ace now that it's available. Yes,

that's right, so we're here. Think they don't have it in the store sometimes, right, Yeah, I told this motherfucker that you don't know, all right, the ship for listen man, when the store it was none, there's none. Okay, this should be also easy Miami or l a Miami. I knew that. Okay, respect all loyalty, loyalty, Okay, little Camel, Foxy Brown, Damn man, dah, that's a tough one. That's tough. What is the drink? I would say? Yeah, I must say both out back. It's a lot of another shot

because I think he's gonna through the same on this one, don't. Yeah, that's why I use my hand. I thought you wasn't say both. I want to say both the jay Z and nine too. If I knew we could say both, Chicago, Ohio both get me back, man, all right? You know? Yeah, slowed up man, Beanie Segal like Jay to kiss Man, I'm just gonna drink this one, daw broth. Now, I'm gonna go with kiss though, Okay, Yeah, gotta New York from New York. Yeah, I think all right, I think

you're definitively gonna pick this too. No Limit or cash Money. That's a tough one. That's tough. That's how Yeah, I'm gonna go with both because you know why master p both both master Peak of the signed cash Money. You know what I'm saying. And I think that when master Piece started getting commercial, No Limit picked off picked up right where they left. I mean part mean cash Money picked up right with no limit left off when they started doing a lot of commercial ship shot that alright,

but P paved the way myself up. I feel like you're gonna go vote on this one too. Feel like I'm just gonna do the go double the bottom J Blades A Kanye, No, I think I think you're gonna pick I don't know. I think I know you would pick they both. Good man, I'm gonna pick somebody for you. I would say Kanye because he got he got more. I like, just it to justice defensive. It's very rare just playing beats. I don't like every time he plays some ship. I think he knows what I want to hear,

so I don't. I can't even remember the time I tell him to skip past a record or he plai yeah. Yeah, but I'm telling you for my personal like it. But I'm just you know, I'm being not being biased, because can you make beach for himself? He make beach for other people, wrap over his own fucking beach. I remember that's a big thing. When he got the rocket feller to be like, you're gonna keep the ship for yourself. You know what I'm saying. When like Yo and so

now he gonna be for yourself. So say, I'm gonna say Kanye because he's an artist as well, and it's the last one of them both. I'm I do not know what you're gonna pick on this one. The locks of state property. Uh, I'm gonna say both. I'm gonna say, just got locks already. Now you know why, because state property, state property locks. Of course, I'm from New York and and I love you know Sheic Styles and J Nigus too.

But you gotta care underestimate the movement that stay property not necessarily did a movement to close you know, everything else. But they got a lot of a lot of they might got more. Uh like clubs shipped in the locks, like you know what I'm saying, like that PD crackh It dope, like even Free Freeway. Like I remember he was looking for a single and he's playing me his album and I'm like, you got a single right here? Like they just be singing, said Tom Dame m I said,

make this a single. Um this ship with um Beanie and jay Z, like you playing us in the club. That's it go crazy, Yo, that's it, nig It's going crazy off that record. I think they got more light in the club ships, but lots got a bunch of ship too. I'm gonna just say both. So Y've been fucked up. You to change your mind? Yeah, because we

took the shot. But man, you know all right, So, um, I gotta ask this question straight up because I believe Nick Cannon says something to you said something Nick Cannon and he was like, you don't tell the family. I'm good find the felt like he was trying to say, you smashed. I'm not sure. I just gotta ask straight up, right, just my friend, all right? And I got mad. You know.

Another thing is me and Nick. We was sucking around on Instagram and going back and forth each try to make fun of my pink coat when I'm holding the ship. But I put up a clip of Mariah like caressing me with it. You know what I'm saying, Like yo, But one thing I will say about Nick Cannon and he you know, um, we haven't seen each other, but he gave me some props on the radio a few years ago. That Nigga gets to the bag. That Nigga gets to the bag. Yeah, yeah, it gets to the bag.

He then gets up and hustles and he sucked a lot of bad bitches, like y'all carning the canon, Corny all that ship you want and it gets to the bag bitches and nig it gets to the Turkpin. Yeah, yeah, that's what I didn't know. It's a turk Pin. It's a Turpin. Is the other ship the turk Pin? That's a Turkpence ship where he got like, I gotta don't you know what it is that's getting right there. You gotta be confident to do that. But so we're the back.

You definitely didn't smash me right back. Didn't say that a lot of people can't come on the table A lot of night your single you drink you man. That's the one thing they got mad. And I'm not saying I did the right guy, but that's the one thing they did. They mac mad and nick about going and telling everybody you won't kim kar this been tra Marie and they're like, yo, chill, bro, you want more bits

with the fuck chill. I wasn't ready for that. You gotta be run and tell everything you ain't gonna get the next bit, Oh my god. The neighbor. Yeah yeah, but you know, you know it's one thing when you bring your own celebrity to the table, and it's another thing when I make you famous. You know, I'm gonna respect because I want to get to the horse. Um. So we talked about j you having the problem with Jay and fixing it. Let's get to the nasright, because

I believe I'm actually in this NAS problem. Like when he went at you, he dissed me. At the same time this interview happens. He comes out, he goes, this is you, this is me. I think this is a this is Nelly, this is a step your lyrics. Y. Yeah, he went at me and he's the first guy my time, my brother. Now's okay, Like you said with James, you made seven? How many this rectors are you make in

a night Christmas? You know, it was like conscious. It was a hard decision because Nas, just like you said, he just got on the radio start this niggas and we're big NAS fans, super big NAS fans, so we like, man, what the funk is this about? Like why is this thing?

But at the same time, we gained a momentum in the street to so we just like NAS ain't gonna walk in the park like lead like you know, because we thought we could rhyme two people like this is fucking nas like the best, right, Yeah, this is the best rapper ever, you know what I'm saying. So we like, damn, what do we do? Do we ignore it? And niggas like nine, you can't ignore that ship right now? So we're like, but what was his line to you? Because

he just blew up my line? He said to me, I don't remember though, he like he was basically saying, how night selling this rack? Playing these whack niggers like Cameron and Nelly? He just Nellie and then he told me that much. Yeah, he was like, yeah, y'all appear playing this garbage you want to bring up. Yeah, it's like, y'all nigga is playing this garbage up here, and I'm like, damn,

what the fund was that about? So normal story is we have to think and we're like, damn, if we're gonna respects, right, you just win that jay Z. This is arguably the best guy, or not to what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying. What the there's nothing to you but everything I'm telling you, right, And that's why it's good to have this cover everything you're telling me, I'm telling your or the questions you're asking are good because in all these stories we're talking about, did I just

start anything? Did I just randomly come out of nowhere and just be this? And not or until this ped crack story we I speaking of as an outside looking in, we thought that I was wilding. It's really like like Dame was like trying to break up. Break up like one of the questions that you know, we always do this before we do a drink, chance, well, I give somebody a clue. When you had to give somebody the clue.

I didn't want to say I I can't, but everybody's like, yo, ask Camps straight up, does he think he's the reason Dame Dash and jay Z broke up? Like, no, I know the real reason? And then't I mean, they've got nothing to me from now? Started looking in it looks good and I don't want to say because, um, well they don't give a funk. You know, I don't think none of them giving my opinion. Yeah, my point my

opinion is this. It started and they didn't get Jay's opinion or input on trying to make me the president. He started shining away. Then from what Dames says, I don't you know that sudden you have to ask jay Z is that he got to a point where he didn't want to break bread with Biggs no more so, Dame says, who didn't want to break bread? Jay Z? Like they split? I don't know they split. I don't know if it's fifty three three, I don't know if jay got sixty. This is Dame's story. This is what

he's saying. Why everything, like all they don't want to break Biggs off no more that. I'm like, I don't know after oh boy, this is yet you got the cologne over right? You know what I'm saying. But you could see jay Z started distance yourself. He'll be around, but he'll be you can see it, you know what I'm saying, Like you know if nigger come to office five days a week, then from because O g Wan is with him, who was also another hardlem god w my man, Like why are you something come to baseline

where I want this your house? Like not overstep in jay Z, when you liked this this situation because like I said, so many people are fans of you, fans of this show. That people that that was the direct question. That's the most anything you want to talk, that was the direct um breakup of it. So I think that's something that you have to ask Ja Dame or whoever. But me personally, I just think it's like a communication and jay Z wasn't not saying respecting, he wasn't digging

how ship was being ran where he wasn't around. That's what I think. And then you know because Jay when when I got there, Jay won't coming to office every day, you know what I'm saying. And I don't think he necessarily like everything that was going on in the office, you know, whether it's decisions being made without him being talked to about it or anything like that, to where he probably was playing an induction on his own before it came to light anyway. But there's something you have

to ask him. Me personally, I think my situation played a role year, but not purposely that I did anything. I just think I just thinking That's why I said I didn't want to go there. I just think that we bought too much there to wear to We're like, yea, you got state property there, and now I don't want to use the word falling in line or bleak there and I don't want to like I said, not for the life, because they've more considered family. But we came there.

It's almost like we funk with y'all, but we can't wait. Yeah, we can't wait. We don't want to wait for y'all to say, Yo, this is going to al right cool, I'm gonna go to the niggas y'all funk with and bust these moves. But and just down the third and then we just got overwhelmed, overwhelmed to where it's like, how the fun Like I told you, Sparkses came in the office for Philly like I can't get office. I remember that. Then he came in one day and then

Sparks is the funny thing. I liked him to pause. That's the guy and state property. Yeah exactly. Yeah, he came in one day. Yeah, yeah, Jim pulled the gum out. He came there one day because there be rocking, we got albums moving on. He just came in there one day. Niggas said, yo, he came my office. Last said, kim My CD done, we're marketing. Well, I gotta go, I said, he said, promotions anything, man, it's done. I said, you

gotta go talk to the office. You know, he said, you ain't talking to nobody because you're just doing whatever I said. It may seem like that, but it's a protocol, you know what I'm saying, Like when the protocol this and just buked off talking to himself or whatever. But you know what them Niggas was all waiting for Niggas and Rockfall to get the ship together, and I went through that already yet entertainment. I went through that an epic until I said, I'm not letting that happen again.

Not nothing bad, but I know who I need to meet, who I need to talk to, But the musicals don't get done and we're gonna bust the move. So I just think it was a lot moving too fast, and Niggas wasn't basically letting jay Z know, like like basically, for instance, right you run Rocket Fellow Records and you're here on TV right that Kim's going to be the president,

like the fun called me. You know what, I'm saying that same thing, like with diplomats, same thing, Like I ran not saying random artists like yo, we're gonna make it fucking JR. Right at the president at the time, like who said that that I didn't say that. If it's supposed to be my label, you get what I'm saying. So I think it was like a lack of communication, you know what. That goddamn that left a lot of my shoulders kill me. That make noise for that when

you said I've mentioned this on drink chains before. When you say, and I'm paraphrasing, when the funk we start bouncing, when the New York stopped bouncings that what you say and not second that's my second album, so get out of that. JA. That's definitely was it. Yeah, it seemed like it, but yeah, bounced bounced with Okay, I'm not gonna say it. It might have been. It might have been. I don't know, but I can't recall. That was a haze,

that was wild. It was a wild time, But you weren't thinking that anybody specific at the time when you wrote that. I ain't gonna say that I don't remember that song came in my nine I might I'm not gonna say it wasn't. I'm not saying you know, the whole record this and Jay z uh Yeah, So I'm not gonna say I I don't remember if I did it because I feel like you saw the future of New York. New York after that was bouncing. Okay, right, I'm not gonna say yes, and I'm gonna take your

word for it. So moving on fifty fifty was cool even just said earlier that horse and Carriage. Fifty told you that he was actually in that pool. Right, where did you guys go on? I didn't, I didn't see that. What happened was, you know, so basically Jim and went over the Cotch Records and we started doing a lot of business with Cotch Records, and Coach was a label that wasn't that popular at the time, you know what

I'm saying. So fifty started and being we was the only biggest artist day at the time, they had a bunch of niggas. Wasn't popping. They's like they want to go on up a bag. A lot of people called it. It wasn't was it land before and then they became When I got there in Boston, I didn't even know that. But like, so when we got um, well now we Jim probably eat that whole deal for himself. He seen they didn't want to sign Jim because you said that you bumped you out. Yeah, but they don't. I brought

him too. They didn't want to sign him, but Jim wasn't gonna wait and he was. Jim started doing his own thing, moving around everywhere. So he came to me, He's like yo ho. When to me, I'm like, bad, we could get the deal. So cos had a bunch of old artis stage ready to go in an old bag and pull out all that old money and spend it on new talent. And if it coincided at the same time we was doing our ship a depth to him,

it was perfect. So when we started other artists over there due to God and I was, you know, artisides dealing with so fittings on the rail saying that that's the graveyard for rappers. You know. He's like, that's the graveyard that gets over there. They go over there to die, you know what I'm saying. So we just took a fence to it because we're like, who else you talking about? Like nobody's been talking to nobody's been talking about Cots for us since we know, because I didn't even know

about him till Jim told me about him. Yeah, but they used to be land Speed. That's the reason when he was talking, Yeah, I didn't know. You didn't know that. I didn't know that. So when he was saying he didn't say land speed, he was in Bob Perry office or Alan Grumlock. Yeah. So we're just going through it. And then I just got on the phone and we just went back and forth with it. But I just took a fence to cops. Was like out home too,

as far as death chair and everything else. We took cops like that was our crib like we used to going there. Wow. Zeke always telling me about how like you just calmed down, Zeke. I don't know. I don't know what. I don't know what's going on, Zeke. I know, I know even twenty five yeall you just you just you just heard just chilling. I don't know. I'm like getting it like I'm just I'm doing something. Okay, I like you old shops like that. That's right in North Carolina? Right,

did you out did you out did doing your ship? Okay? Yeah, okay, So what he was filiciously and I was just saying that. So, so fifty goes on the radio you call in um, I don't remember, but probably so probably a number he was in cots when he was just cos okay, yes, I called Daniel and we just started like, yo, why are you coming? Because to me, it wasn't coming to cops, it was coming at us because who gives the funk

about Michael Cotch? And I don't respect the Mike cos that's my man, or Alan Grumblack or why randomly just this them nigger, as if they was land Speed or they was whoever else, and why all of a sudden when we hear him, it's this them. So that's how I took it at the time. How many projects you had at that time? At what Cotch? It was Jim, Jim, how I was trying to go. They rushed the dealing

this son and baby Grandma's son. But Duke the God was doing all the albums there and his ship turned in the compilations of all of us, so he would have duel songs, he would have Jim songs, he has my songs, he obviously songs, he'll have everything. But we was putting instead of the mix tapes. So once we was doing stopped doing the mix tapes, you released them.

Officials would start releasing them at Cotch officially, and that's how all our ships and we'll put them under the duke the god names so he like hosted tapes, but all the mix tapes became money because we was releasing them all in Cotch. That was the game at that point, right, yeah, yeah, changed the game, goddamn it. You know how plus where you are? Yeah yeah, I mean it's some real ship. Like I don't know what the pink horse power is,

but I'm about to take a shot of that. I got a case for you if it's don't take a shot right now, but I'm home in a second thing. I got my time limit. I'm about to say now that you know it's all naturals from Africa's straight up and ain't no gas. They're supposed or nothing. But we didn't introduce pink power at all. So you say it from Africa people that's listening, because if we got a big audience that listener and that that can't watch this right now to do the joke drivers out there. So

this squab so basically horse powers. It's an all natural supplements similar to similar to viagra, tree barks, roots, leaves, all made in um I don't want to say Ghana, but it's a part of Africa and we bought it over here so that you know, if you need a little help in the bedroom, you don't have to take a gas c shappella. You don't have to take something from the pharmacy. You can take something all natural and it's really gonna work. But your man was telling you,

is right, that ship working like fifty minutes. Don't take it around nobody that you don't want to be around when it's time to take it. How do you know about that? You want to take it right now? It's not one of them things you can say, is you know what I'm saying this and not one of them. Sisters, you can be like I'm gonna let it chill in my system and stop because what we thought it is like tiger balls when you could sit bit. Yeah, and

you're still chill. You you you knocking it down like yeah, Sisters, can't be read with that. No man, Sugar was here, you telling me, tell you shake it. He's telling Ecstacy right should took this. My man should and told me you have to hop out the car because he's in his car with his mother and it wasn't right. I want to take for the story now I'm just telling you that he took it too early and you got on your mom's in the cars. Mom. And what I'm

trying to tell you it ain't mental. It's gonna work. Hearts, that's all you know. Power, it ain't about That's what t tell man. At this point, the man tell you don't take it because you're gonna be like, yeah, take that right. You remember the R expels, the blue arxpells. They don't remembers. Yeah, I can tell this first, doesn't you with we can press after the chill. See you got you went a little buff. I would horney go weed after the alls. This is no, this is not

it ya this past that. That's you said when niggers using Now it's honey, anybody going honeys honey, Yeah, look at some man. Yeah, look at it. Sneak You see anybody better? You see his sneakers. Cat, look at Cathlea. Look at my cabral, my main cab. They get too much money to do with this. Come on again, keeping keeping honey. You know what yo, what's your name? Honey? Ordience?

Somebody appreciate that. Not some girl right now. I was gonna say, he killed it's saying me to do that what they love They listen straight ships like all the way. Ye know he's not gonna get homebo that Eddie Murphy. J know, Texas, you kind of made those what is that? Baby is that? Babe baby Clark? They collaboration failed. They just be clear. You know a lot of these wren to do colaboracing baby baby Clark. It didn't work. Just

continue the one where you're working. Don't you know where you're laughing because he like y'all don't even know ye that race, that collaboration didn't work. I can't believe this is great, This is this is so great, Holy MONI guacamoni, okay boom. The only time I was glad like we got you know, but the only time I've ever been disappointed and you you told me it was disappointed in me. Only time I ever was disappointed in you when you and Jim was beefing. I didn't understand it. I couldn't.

I couldn't get it. How is that? How was that for you? Like when y'all felt out for to me? No, like you know, if you ever look at it, when the gym was upset for me for what ever? The fifty million times he's been upsetting. I never did gym. I never fourth back, I never did a song. I never fell into that because that's my brother. I know he might be emotional gym, real emotional guy. So you ain't never hear no disrecord. You never heard heard I

played Jim or nothing like that. The only thing I ever did was when he went on phone Master Flex I was saying that I didn't come to shows or anything like that. I did alive, you know, rebuttaling what he said. But I've never did gym ever to this day. So it may seem like be going through it or what ever from his end or whatever, but you can't find nothing of me this and gym nowhere. I wouldn't never this him because I fall out period. I was just like, but but that's my point, so much fall

out with me. But I know him. I know he's upset for the minute, so I don't know, so like, I've never really this gym ever. Like I said, I did one thing, you know, the correct a few things that I thought was wrong when he did the funk Flex interview. But I know he was really upset at the time, so I was like, let me just clear a couple of things up. So but I've never died Gym. It's nowhere you can find where I'll be like me this and Gym nowhere. So when he's upset, I just

know he's passionate about what he do. He puts his he wears his heart on his sleeve, you know, and everything like that. But I already know after a while it's going weird down and we're gonna be good again. So that's why I never really said, now, you can't put end up with me, him, this and them right now. No, No, I'm just saying this is discripacy, period, absolutely, because I love seeing y'all together so much. And that's that's that's

what I know from y'all. You know what I'm saying, Like I know y'all from the count of the beginning, Like I know these stories you spoke about today, and and I'm I'm not putting gem in because that's my family, yess not. It's no story where I started with nobody. I'm glad we got to clad up on your show because every time I wanted somebody, you came to me first. Well I felt like you did. Yeah, we just did. And I was just saying that nobody else was on

cots to just randomly discotch. It wasn't like mob Deeper got there yet or anybody else that got there. We used the only ones there. So if it was land Speed Up Catch or whoever it was, it was like, why dissed them out there? Blue? But what the says the graveyard for rappers? The only rappers then except for me. It kind of felt like he was picking on Mace a little bit, okay, But at the end of the day, I just told you, he kept hitting me in my

ribs like this sixteen different times. Yeah, like I said, these stories, because it'd be a hundred of different stories I can call the same way we call Pete Crack. I called eight. I'm just telling me that ship Pete Crack just said it would verbat him for whatever. I'm gonna just tell you the facts, mean to tell you exactly what happened. So it may seem like I'm picking on them. But if somebody keep poking you, somebody keep

kicking you under the table at dinner. Because he because he made this this record, was was surprised when he that this record. I was proud of him. Oh ship, like that's proud of him. Man. I was like, y'all felt like fucking U. To be honest, I felt like den Zeland training day when the nigga we pulled the gun out and said I'm gonna killing about to kill him in the house and trading yeah, like they get dropping him, like yeah, yeah, he's a good community. I

ain't gonna that might have been against its sponsor. I've ever heard that. It's funny, it's bro Holy ready, I've never been this shock right now. I wasn't ready. I wasn't ready, Holy morningly, but putting it all together to see even you guys together right now, you know how hard it is to have a twenty year relationship in this fucking fustiness. Absolutely, so many cools you see from twenty years ago. They don't have three of the same members for the same members that's around. So me seeing

y'all brothers together, man, Like I remember doing shows with y'all. U. Mike Lady, you said you said something on this other guy's uh TV one time, so the guy's platform, you know what I'm talking about. I don't say that guy's thanks he said it earlier. And you described a show with Mike Lady, do you remember the time where oh they tried to get that killer. Oh, yes, it's at

the same time. I think I had went there early because this was the ship back in the actually was the reason why we went crazy because I went there earlier, I got paid earlier. Everyone wanted to go. I remember the everyone was the headline of the show, and I was like, let's go, earluse. I know these niggas. I did a show with these things before. They ain't got the bread, so I'm going. I went. I opened up. They're like plat and I'm like, I opened up, let's go.

I didn't show giving my money. And then I went and freaky like, yo, where are you going? Said yo, yeah, I got paid. He said, wait a minute, we didn't. I said, supposed to. And then I didn't know from there and I read I saw on the interview that you did. He was like, y'all came and it was it was they didn't have my money, they have my money. And the next thing, you know, they tried some big toll six times the niggas came out. It was redgas. Yeah, and uh they came out. I guess protecting Mike Lady

because we're like, give us our money. And then like they had a lot of niggers, but they're like forty niggas and they surrounded me because I think Jim and Black of Dawn on his side beef and like, YO, give us our fucking money. And they walked out like oh, and then like forty niggers filed them around and they surround me like here me beef about your money. And then nigger yapped my chain. Word yeah, I did a

song about him, scored that of a That Alive. It turned out crazy, just typing that of a Lot that Alive. I told the whole story on that. Wow, I didn't know that I on this show good. I ain't at I said. I just went and paid the left. So they yat my chain and my man what you just think? I'm like, I don't know what I know. This turned out bad for them. You're not getting but my chain. And then my man just came out. I ain't gonna

say an he's gonna get mad at me anyway. He fucking came out popping and pistol whip the nigg who took my chain and took his chain and got my chain back. And then we left, and then he's like, fucking Mike Lighty man, snicker got this going all this ship for you actually made a song my only movie, but this did some great story. But I didn't know it. I didn't know that period til I've seen you describe that story. He was like, Yo, because you said, you said,

you exactly did exactly what you said. You said, I've seen Nori and because what happened was I kept telling me, yo, you on the tour with everybody hot, they're gonna come late. Don't funk with that lationship. You ain't gonna get bad. Like. So we were supposed to come at nine. I showed up at six like I'm ready. I performed with the sixty people where I killed it. Everybody got paid. But I'm like, but you know what, it was that thing we wanted to the headline, So all of us showed

up later. So I had to a vantage of being like, you know, people showing up late, and you know, a certain times we thought it was headlines. But that was that was crazy when I heard six and your uh and I heard your record to it. So what's your favorite ever in hip hop camp? My favorite era? Um? I mean it depends on like as a professional or just a hip hop fan, you know whatever. Yeah, yeah, it's pretty much both. I don't take a shot for that too. You pretty much want to get me drunk cameras.

I was like, I'm like, it's a lot of ship. You know. You gotta realize when I was a child, you know, eleven, twelve, thirteen years old, You've got people who I wanted to be like and dressed like. And you know I remember going the Canal Street and get a chain because e p m D have a link, or about the fisherman had because epm D got a fisherman had, or loving Uh you know I used to love nice and smooth, you know, smooth being greg nice

and fucking pop called question you ran daddy? Are you and fucking you know, just try to sneak that on you on the grat a g Yeah, definitely a f I ain't know that, so I thought he was all like on space mask, what's the ship? Leave me alone? Ain't no spaces my space, No grand daddy got a page. But you know I knew a girl named can your phone West Virgin Like that made me want to be

a rapper. Yeah, like that off I heard that baby can't Yeah, that's so matter at the more the more that's the name of you remember that Jinia mom oh early in the which one, it was like it was like, I forget what it's called. What happened? Oh yeah? Is that not your favorite year your career? Nah? No? Who was it? Say? Oh too? Probably? Oh boy? Because I got all my niggers on, you know what I'm saying, Like everybody had a deal. Like I love your career, and I know because I feel like you had horse

and Carriage when I had Super Thub. I feel like I had grimed me when you had I forget what else? Like everything and oh boy, and I had Homeboy and

I felt that was so great. Yeah, you know we didn't pay the full tour, remember, yeah, absolutely, but like probably oh three, Like just being able to have all my niggas or one with a deal, whether they had an album out the time or anything like that, it was just a that's like a it was some bucket ship list to get off me, to get make sure Jim out of deal, jewels had to deal like it was a sign. Freaky Zeke went to jail, and when he went to jail, when he came over from jail.

It was dope to that car ready for him and a crib and corndo and all that ship ready in cash, and then he eventually ended up getting Then I get when he came from jail, I got him a deal and asylum. You know what I'm saying. But everything like those are my favorite years when I was able to help the crew out. And this is after a board is old three oh four he said, oh, three oh three. Ye is when the dip mouth came out. Jus came out three or oh four, So I felt gil Zeke

was in jail. He came out like, oh seven, oh got MC deal O eight And what a year whenever he came out and got him a deal like I like that ship two days later. Yeah, I remember I got two our question for you. But I remember me looking at your face at one point when Cam and Jewels was Camon and Jim wasn't seeing uh and me just looking at your face. I forget what it was through internet was through the internet, and I remember like that might have been one of the most stressed times.

You're like it was, It wasn't. At first. I couldn't understand it because we we've been tight before. Wrap like this is a cam by sandwich came about Sai and that was it came had the sandwich. So we were getting to try to get a piece. Cam was spit on the sandwich. You know what I'm saying. It was like and it didn't matter. You know what I'm saying, give us a piece. And he got that way. So that's how close we want so far get out of jam. Like then you hear this person did this and that

person to that. But I just couldn't gather what was going on because I'm like, ayes, so what he did this or whatever whatever they point was of, not what in the act with each other. I couldn't believe it. But then I've seen it's going on. I think I was on. I don't know if I was on that I went somewhere with Jim and I'm thinking I'm rectif I wanted to rectify the situation because these things I loved you, like I'm sorry to cut you off, but I want to pick you up. I can tell her

everybody you would have heard this, everybody. In my opinion, I could be wrong. You look at me and say, no, no, I know these things is gonna get it back together or you could be like but at one point it really seemed like ugly. It really seems okay because I love both of them, you know what I'm saying, like like hands down, you know what I mean when they say what you bring me to tell you? But all that, like I put my soul out here, you know what

I mean? It won would be a time if something's going on, I'm if it's over, it's over, you know what I mean. That's how it ran with you, and that's how I still because it was for y'all. It's more y'all, but the forefront is for y'all. Zeke Juel's m jem right. But then you got fast On, you got Tito my man food back in the days. Then you got a song we told my Tito trying to stab ship night. That was all. I love that, um um all these people so but you as like the artist,

that wasn't the artist? How much pressure was that on the fans when the fans were seeing you? I really can. I don't know if you remember this, but I wanted to be can. It was like, look, anybody can't do anything, you know what I'm saying. So when Rocket Fuller was going on, he was like, look, just go every day, get up in there and go speak to them up

in the cubic foods, you know what I mean. So every time if they finished a session six in the morning, I'm up there, Like you mentioned Sherry before, I'm up I mean every tube marketing promoting, just being a face if they wasn't there or I'll just be up in there. So that's I took that as what I needed to do at the time, you know what I'm saying. But if Kim asked me to do something, mama spit a verse of a hook I'm excuse me, more so a hooker, really,

you know what I mean. But there's a lot of underground ship that Food Freaky was doing, you know what I'm saying. I was keeping everything a lot. You were jumping on conference calls, on the street team conference calls too, Yeah,

because I was doing the deaf Jam street Team. He actually you felt about I know what, let me answer the sum something because you saw that going to the car like we're gonna like, no know what I'm saying this Zeke me and Jim wasn't speaking Zeken do ship like be next to me and put Jim on the phone, like, yo, what me and Cape have the same situation. But sometimes when you were together with somebody that close, you're just gonna have a situation. It doesn't matter, It doesn't matter

if we could both be right now. The answer Zeke for Zeke, Zeke was mad. You know, he's being politically correct the way you're doing and not mad one of us matter the situation, because he would be next to me or next to Jim and be like, Yo, my man want to talk to you, and I'll be like who this and then be Jim and we'll both like yeah, come on man, and this in the phone way like in eight times. So he was trying to fix the the problem from day from day one, from the very

very beginning, he was trying to fix it. Whether I was ready to fix it or Jim was ready to fix it or not, he was always there trying to fix the problem. And like he was about to say earlier, because basically to me, what he wanted to tell you is that he wants his credit for all them Old

Boys songs and hey Ma songs. Because he sat in Michael Kaiser office every day for three months and basically told Mike Kaiser, you leave when I want you to leave, or I'll be here tomorrow or whatever, and Old Boy and Hey Mom became eventually the number one spun records and definitely in history, whether it's BC Boys, Old Coo, J Three, Third Base, whoever you want, even Jay Z. At the time before Kanye started breaking the records, those

records were the number one spunt records in definitam history. And being that, Zeke sat in Michael Kaiser's office every day at radio, and then when Haymond came out and crossed over, he sat in ken Lanes that's the Z one hundred stations, you know, every day for months, put in Prussia. Nice pressure that the records became the best records in de jam history. And I think he's sponsible

for those now. I think that's what he wanted. I think he was trying to get out of here, like I'm gonna get this out before we wrapped this up and then let niggas know that these songs basically not saying they wasn't good music, but it was a little elbow grease hues. So I got I got one more question, and I got three more questions from my nephew, nephews when I'm back. Yeah that when when when? When when me and you were speaking and we wasn't one one communicated?

My name was like no, just chill. That's how cam is. He's telling me now like that Camus fly like that. He just doesn't. I'm supposed to speak to certain people you've never met, but but but his I just want to get to this right Internet, we all got Twitter, we all got do you als get locked up? There's this song to come out. What you was? Right? People are pointing to finger saying, man, they got to be talking about you. Well all right, I mean can't they

gotta be talking about campus. Just be clear you just said that to me earlier. Actually anything So yeah, absolutely definitely this song comes out. I'm a journalist. Now you don't even know me. This is it first we've knowing me as a journalist, Like you know, these people are hearing me, and that's saying, look, no meows, it's going to slide. I'm not a gossip reporter. Don't report it or nothing, but being at you here, I have to

ask that question. Um, this is record that comes out with Joel's is in jail or prior, and it seems like he's coming at you. Did you hear this record? Do you know what I'm talking about? So what happened in that situation, Well, Joel's was in jail when the record. Basically, I guess his girlfriend and his brother put the record Outum the album and he put out a mixtape by album or someone. He's in jail and so basically, um,

I hear the record, sounds like it's about me. This to me, but I'm not gonna I'm not dissing Jim with duels. I'm just not dissing them on the record. So talking about them public publicly or whatever. If y'are mad at me, call I'm just not ever going to do that. But his girl called me, and uh, she explained to me, and I end up speaking to Jewels, and Jewels said that basically it's supposed to be too

two sides of it. So it's when me and him wasn't speaking, it was that was his point of view, and he said he wrote my point of view, but he said instead of me him saying how I felt, he wanted me to write how he felt when Niggas wasn't speaking in jail. No, he had songs in his computer, and you know they're making no music in jail. I guess you got a Jewell got two million songs in computer.

I don't know white for them out. So basically, that particular song he was saying it wasn't supposed to This is what he said that it was supposed to go on this album because he wanted me to do a verse or how he felt during that era when he was mad at me or I was mad at him or whatever, and I told him, you know this one y'all jail. We had this conversation and I was like, yeah, I'm not gonna do that because just confusing the fans.

They don't know if this is today, they don't know if this is, oh, this is I don't really get it. But I just did the concept. It would have been dope if it was a few years ago. But I just yeah, but I just didn't feel it as a purpose for that. But that's what he told me. Okay, cool too. I just spoke to her yesterday, so it's beautiful. It's beautiful. So let me get to one of my nephews questions. He wants to know when you look at the free bands, change I know as I can. Tom.

You know you told me. You know, he told me, said I couldn't afford to change, and I want to be dip set so bad that he said it took me three days to soft the eagle that's on the basketball truphies, but sorted for three days and bought a little route. You think about this respect that. Yeah, he's funked up. He's gonna he's gonna be mad. But so he's like, yo, free bands and he actually sent me a picture he ain't playing. Look he liked asked, y'all,

what do you feel about free bands? Change? I mean, it's so good to be honest with you, my man, chubby baby, that's our family. You know what I'm saying right back, cam ain fucking with you, he laught, man, right, both, Let's get with my nigga. How you doing your right, my nigger? That's something being good to see you, man. So we don't know. We're on your questions right now, we're on the free bands. Do we feel like future? I was to say that, but I would I would

know how you feel about the future. Um, you know, he basically took the eagle bird and put mgb all that and now that stage change, but that original change. Yeah, okay, all right, hold on spirit, we're gonna leave right there. We feel about that camp, I don't feel the way I mean like with Diplomats and Woo thing. I think those are the best logos. That's not gonna go nowhere. And Futures Family, that's you know, that's my guy. Plus he was dealing with chubby Baby, Chubby Baby from the Bronx.

But we met in Ohio, me and us Ohio. That's where we met at and uh, you know he's been in Atlanta working for Future and a whole bunch of other niggers. So he's the future uh a while. When that logo came out, he called and told me about it before it happened, So it was all good with me. Like I said, Future Family is all good. God damn it. Yeah, I got all your other questions, y'all. I al would have used you all your other questions. I'm looking at I'm I'm trying to be like a good journalist, so

I'm looking at all your other questions. Yeah, I already are we already good that this is a great interview. And he told me he didn't trust me this is crazy. No reason told you told me? Last really told me? Last kills the man always trust I bad the best thing in the world. I make a piece. Oh yeah, I'll be gonna hit you back. We're gonna hit you back. Do not not listen? Listen listen when I got a shot? How my shot magically appear. Let's take another shot for

Killer Killer, motherfucking camp A movie getting the horse horsepower point. Yeah, all right, y'all take We need to understand again, we're taking this shot for him. We're taking this shot for horsepower. Why not let me look at Thanks for having me man, I appreciate it. Listen to me camp Um. I know I said this to you kind of like off the air, but you're one of my most favorite people in the world.

Our relationship in the beginning, what happened was I'm gonna blame that on our success because why we didn't keep going. You know what I'm saying. I feel like without you know, over bigging us up. Maybe I'm over bigging me up. I feel like we were like j and NAS, like we dealt with that kind of situation where you were super a man then I was super a man here and but we could have done some well marketable ship

and still can and still can. And I just want to tell you how much I appreciate you from then, how much I appreciate you now, how much I appreciate y'all because I got to see y'all like I got to see I don't want to say I got to see you at the bottom, but I got to see y'all coming up likewise, and I got to see you at the top. And I've always been propped, So just in case you don't know that, always been proud of.

One thing about this right now is like this bro hustling is gonna hustle and we're gonna get the back. And that's one thing I respected by everybody. Of course our friendship. But to see, like you said I mentioned ninety seven, h ninety six, whatever year, is to see that you're still doing this, you see it, you still look great, pause that you still get money. I respect that more than anything else. Of course, I friendship, But I don't like nigger. You know what. I hate to

hang out. First, Yeah, I love you had everything. I know what. I don't like what people say you'd be like, yo, how you doing, and somebody be like Yeah, I'm just maintaining. And I'm like, I don't want to hear you maintain it, Like I'm not really doing that. Maintaining ship And you know what I'm saying, that's another word that's like it wants depressing. How you doing maintaining? Yeah, my nigger, you

just like when what I maintaining ship? Kevin Laos told me that and I ran with that for like fifteen twe years because you just go if you're just maintaining, you're satisfied with just getting by, And I'm not happy with just getting by, Like I got habits that I don't want to support. I want to keep doing. You get what I'm saying. So to say that, I'm saying that to say this, to see that you're still doing your shows, your second and you still could do songs

if you want. It's about a few people, you know what I'm saying. But let's do it. Let's get the balls. Listen. No, I'm not gonna lie. I always had this Independent, major debate debate when it comes to the Independent. The way Cam, Jim and Dip said, did the Independent is different for New York based at that time, It's not difference. No,

they did it great as far as New York. But what I'm trying to say is only independent base that was working was people from the South, people from Richmond, California. It wasn't working for them, you know what I'm saying that they wasn't once that it worked for in New York like it works. If what I'm saying about Cots wasn't, it wasn't a lie. Most other people other than we're going there and die. They're the only ones getting money. So that I could see it, fifty is coming from

like here talking about you. So um, that's That's what I'm talking about. But the way they did it independent, I gotta I gotta salute that. I gotta sloop that I didn't see that not from New York. We other independent other than Rocket Fellow. There was no other independent people. Think about it Camp. No, they weren't independent. They were universe VERSU from the beginning because once DMX side that

was definitely have university. The Locks were in the school. No, they were bad boy, yeah, and then they went then they moved over. So YEAHLL were the first independent of the independent company. People were independent with the major I just thought you mad independent period you know, independent, independent, independent, fucking with the independent, these other people with independent made That's that's right. Yeah, depending on the deal though, depending

on the deal you have is how it is. If you own your masters, if you own your ship, but the end you can't own your masters. The major you can, you can the deal. It depends on the deal. Puff got his master's back. Now, eventually, if you work the system, you might get it. I'm in the process of that right now. Like I just got my master's back. Masters you want own in death Jam you don't. You don't want, you don't want the epic I'm working. They got Sony too.

But so what's going on? Is this? So in case you ain't know, it's the thing I just found out about May ten years seven. Okay, you could go. You can re record your records right now, eight year statue limitation on your records. It's just like music. Yes, it's just a criminals. I just chart it out. So, so, for instance, who gets your super Doug ship forever? Well, right now it's Tommy. I forget it. Let's just use

a random example. Let's just say I want to do oh boy over, I clear the sample everything I don't record the record right now, put out on streaming service and tells don't go they definitely on to get it get I go, get it to me right now, my bread, you record, got to record your everything, but this is

the new version. Yeah, but you don't have to. You can say because people don't want to hear what they want to hear, you can record the exact same song you did today and put it out streaming because statue limitation on the on the music that how long they can actually own your ship and we don't. We don't be knowing ship like this right now. Yeah, well tell me no. I'm just telling you. So you could go and record everything over that you want to Yeah, seven,

seven or eight. My Lloyder, me and my lawyer just went through this last week because I'm like, I want to go seven or yeah. Good, we could go do three fifty seven over any record. I want to do this over eight years over superdu is good. You go to make a little bit get checks right, you know that's an athorage a little nice. I like it, man, go ahead, thay much. But that's different publishing. Ye, that that's all I'm publishing. I don't I don't own. That's

fucking genius. I had had no idea. Yeah, but I own my masters from Warner Brothers. All the stuff that I did when I left, defin want to publish it. No, I was on a Sylum, but it was through uh yeah, exactly so. But my deal I hadded like seven years statue of lemons say and on that for in the deal. So top mask was Joey I. E. They gave you back all my masters, So I got all my masters from there. So this is in the deals when you

sign them, it says it's somewhere in there. On that particular deal with Tom Muskus and Joey I, I don't think they ever had a vision of standing there too long, so they wanted to give all this back they shipped. So basically after seven years I got my ship back. I just got it back for like the last three or four years. So like all the ship killing season and the album, the movie, etcetera. Ey, thinking that I did on a Sylum, I owned them. The money is

a death chair. That's saying that ain't money there. But that's the catalog catalog. But I could go if I want to put the time in, I go record the whole album everything we did it depth him over and still my traffic this way to go get it. It's a lot of work. That's why. That's why the question he acts is like you could go to label right and be like, yo, it's up the masses. You can

give me. At least I could just go record the ship over and y'all don't get nothing, or y'all get whatever I stuff on my Instagram ca now social media you can drop. That's the process of it. You have to still get the clearance. Some people don't want to go do that headache having to pay the producer. You know, if it's a sample in it or whatever, you have to do it all over again. It's still the same process, but you could own it. It will be yours. Yeah, exactly,

hard crazy man. Do the whole worri for the over tragical bone down right. Now you've got some much some mean you got. You got niggas I funk with, like of course I funk with my nigga Johnny sitson Cinematic and and my nigga Gazia Empire. But you know, basically what they do is pay to git you on the top streaming services. Well so Spotify. What does it Spotify um wrap caveat, you know, the top playlists to play top playlists or whatever. But that's if you want to

go that route to give them, which I do. I funk with them, but as cinematic, both of them. More with Cinematic the Empire, but I do business with Empire too. But the point being is you can go fucking get the distroct Kids account or a tune Core account right now, upload your music and that should be in your pocket thirty days, and then they come every thirty days straight to your pocket. So right now, that's what I tell

the things. Now they'd be like, so I go to Major, I'm like, yeo, if you gotta bust the way it works right now? Everything you could it's analytics. So they could be like, you don't have this many Facebook friends, you don't have this many Internet um Instagram followers, you ain't got this many Twitter followers, etcetera, etcetera, etcetera. But then when you do out all them numbers, you probably already set up with distroct Kids and tune Core and

all that stream money coming to you. So what the funk you really need them for? Because they're not building artist from the ground up. No more, they're not done off from the ground up. They're going off your numbers. Yo, they ain't got this thing out. Fifteen millions streams on hits on YouTube, you got this many Now we want to funk with him. But at that point, if the artist is smart, they don't need you. But you know

what I mean. So that's the game right now. It's any artist that's out right now, you're like, y'all wish you all to them new artists, new artists. Um to be honest with you'all can have fun with a lot of artists. Man, I'd be curving because I enjoyed my piece. Like when you get an artist, they problems become your problems, like and then they'd be super cool. And then when they be your artists would be mad. Problems they didn't have before that they got now that become they became

your artists. Like Yo, my rent backed up. I'm like, how long six years making like now? Man? Yeah? Like she like that like that weird? I was supposed to say that, Come on, how many of you? I don't even want the paper? Can't come on artist, artists and yourself. I ain't gonnaind you out. I got one kid man, so you could do your man one kid man. That's it so um because I heard you say in the rhyme you said you was gonna take Juju back, but you saw what the fari what was what? It sounds

like you understand. I don't know, I don't know. I'm asking so when I know when I broke up with her whatever, I guess. You know, we love and hip hop create the scenarios hard Safari running around, but a lot of people were sending it to me and you know, a little ship to stand the third And this is not to throw nobody under bucks. I don't have no problem with Safari, you have no problem with Juju or

anything like that or whatever. But you know what when you was doing memes together, Yeah, like you know, I think I have an opportunity which you know, we won't get into the maybe'll rekindle ou situation if I wanted to, but that just kind of made it for me, like na, like no disrespect to so far, but you ain't got no type, like you know what I'm saying, Like it's just that's just two apples and orange, just big, like if you can mess with that note. And I'm not

dissing them. I'm just like, that's your type. I'm not your type. No more respectful, respectfully, that's respectfully. I've never been stuck in my life. Please, I don't know what if you have. I'm a big big Elth fan. So if you have any big Elth story that you can tell me, big story, I really Uh damn. I got

a lot of big eld stories. But they're like it's then if I say I'm it's still nigga's outside, that's gonna know what I'm talking about, the fun Like I'm trying to think, like, for instance, it's big I used to snap. The nigga's cruel person snapping, you know what I'm saying, and the niggas he was talking about still be outside. Not that I'm gonna talk, not that it's a problem, but it's just one of the situations like I don't want to bring up a nigga. You know,

it's just hard man. His face, nigga's rude. He's like your mother's gonna die tomorrow, right, Yeah, talk like that to people. You know what I'm saying, Like, yeah, like if we'll be rolling, dicing and nigga loud, you like your mother's gonna die to more anyway, So about that, and I'll be like, yo, this nigga is harsh man

really harsh. But yeah, I can't really get into the best ones because his friends, his friends that he funk with that he used to talk about it's still outside, So, um, I'm really trying I think of a cool putting together Children of the Corn he said it was his. Yeah, absolutely, yeah, he had to deal so he you know, he's seen Nickel movements was popping off, so you know, he round it up. It's a song on this album called eight is Enough and he put me on that album on

that song. So you know, I didn't really know anybody else on the record, so it was a privilege for him to put me on the record. And just the fact that he thought I could wrap. I appreciated that. Was it crazy that one record was the same sample that Puck had for what was the record the podcast after he passed It was the It was a record that you're talking about, man, It was one of the It was the American Dream. Yeah, yeah, I mean we

we had it first. Res just wanted to use it before somebody else had it because Biggie I used um the bar sample for one more chance, And actually big L had that simple first on his ship having a big A couple of times. Yeah, Bigel had it first and then Biggie used it, and uh that Shi blew out the world. I changed the whole scenario for Biggie after that record came out. Yeah, how did you get? How did you? And phase on Glover? What's the names on? What is what is this? What is going on now?

One day he was just talking reckless about jay Z. Wasn't you the street money? I just chimed in like I don't like, I don't think you're kind of out of pocket right there, because just just choming in like everybody else. Then he just started doing wow me, like photoshop pictures, acting like I was gay and doing gay ship. And I'm like, I'm gonna just go to all your videos. You're doing wow gay ship. If we're this and gay, I have a problem with gay people at all, nothing

like that. But he was just calling me and I'm not having sexual so I like, if we're going this route, us have fun. You got nigg smacking him on the ass. You know what I'm saying. Humping him, you know what I mean, all in his movies and all type of ships. So I like, you should have probably picked a better topic then to go to this round, because I'm a

I'm gonna clown you have fun doing that ship. I like Instagram, social media that should just like yeah, it's like you know what, But I tell me because it's like a it's it's a it's a Chevy on top of the world cream porch for me because when I say that, it's because it's extra it brings money to the table, et cetera. Cool. But I didn't come up in that error, so I don't panic it got niggas

would come up in the Instagram error. Who if they don't get this many likes and there's many heads of this that they probably pin not probably definitely not seen it happen, or they're not feeling me anymore. My likes are going down. This is going down. So they panicked because they came up in the social media ever and that's what and to me, I Didin't this ship all extra cool? We're gonna bring some breadthrough social media, through

the internet, etcetera, etcetera. But I'm not gonna panic if ship don't get a hundred thousand likes or if this don't get uh a million views or whatever the case is, because I still got wild bread. This ship is just extra topping on the cake for when for making it. But people panic over this because they came up in it. That's just not me. The same thing that that allows a dope talking, Yeah, the same thing that makes it dope.

It's the same, the same engines in your brain that that makes you want to like you know what I'm saying. So that's why the kids are going crazy because they like dope fings. It was the whole doctor were talking we talked about we're talking about with Pitbull, the whole documentary that the guys that created the social media networks they made it that way. That the documentary you're doing ye on you or on dip set Okay, what's her name is documentary? I don't have a name it. We're

in the middle of production now. Because what happens is this, I've been and you too. Most of your adult life has been publicized. So niggas don't think that you had a life before. You've been before you got the man, before I was the man. Yeah, exactly, I know what you said when you said you was Hollywood for the man before. Yeah, exactly before the yallar was the y'all exactly. That's what I'm saying. So most of my adult life has been captured this album and that album, and then

niggas just think that's all it is. You know what I'm saying. Like, so now you got to realize what I'm doing. This I'm doing like before you've been gaining music. I'm doing two two parts haul them in the late seventies and through the eighties. This is sound a documentary. This sounds like a reenacted documentary. No, it's a documentary docu drama, like like Ri's. It's the real you're talking about. It's people acting you out. No, No, it'd be stock

footage and people doing interviews and maybe old. But what it is. What I want to do is from the late seventies to ear and through the eighties. I want to show that I was brought up in you get what I'm saying, like, and probably a five six block radius.

There's so many dope people from the late seventy early eighties and big time drug dealers or number runners or anything else like that that that needs to be publicized to make the realize who the niggut turned out to be, what made me the nigg got turned out to be so fucking uh. I want to talk about Fritz, I

want to talk about Doug ee Lime. I want to talk about all these prominent figures in the four or five block radius to make me the person that I am growing up, you know, I want to talk about Big Allen, what it was, you know, his demas and his dad for on. These is all my friends, that the stories. I don't want to tell this story because it's not my story to tell. But if you ever see the movie City of Gods, that you know what I'm saying. That's my story for big galls and nigger story.

I'm the cameraman, you know I'm not. I'm not the nigger who was. Yeah, but I'm just saying I can tell you everything about the whole story. I wasn't out there killing with them niggers with killing each other. But at the end of the day, I can tell you everything that happened, and a lot I need to be explained because like right now, right, I'm a superstitious nigger right like cut Poles, I mean you're working together. Yeah,

I mean, I like, I don't handicapped Parker. I don't when I park, I walk around the handicap park I don't even want my feet to touch it the space period because yeah, yeah, yeah, because that could be your spot if you want it. You know what I'm saying. That can really be your Yeah, you can make it your spot. But the more of the story is, like my block, it's nothing in the world. It's nothing in this whole world right now that could make me. I could go Hunt forty Street, I go down Hunt thirty

nine Fifth Avenue. It's nothing in this world that can make me walk and get out of my car on a Hunt thirty ninth Street between seven Atlantic Avenue because three niggers I know got popped, like in the twenty five ft space. So I'm never getting out my car on that block. I might go down, I don't. I'm just like, don't go to the Taco shot. Yeah, I'm not gonna go. Yeah, I don't go there because one of my best friends person I love, when he left there.

Shot you're telling them, I don't. I don't. I won't. I look at it, but I won't right certain stayed outside, right, But I dig it like, I'm not typing that. I'm just not gonna do certain ship. So I'm superstitious like that though. But anyway, the story needs to be told on what I grew up into and what made me, you know, not trust certain niggains or not you it's not yeah, and then whatever I move, I move or whatever, and uh, you know, it needs to be a little

more light shine on my neighborhood. So that's what I'm gonna do my first couple episodes before we even getting the dip set and my music career, anything, basketball career, anything like that. But if ship is so rich, why wouldn't it be like a re enacting ship? If I funk that question, if somebody's gonna play came run in the movie you're talking about, like with the wood Take Ship, Yeah, I think that can all happen. But I think this is set that the pet for that. Yeah. Yeah, and

they're making it tomorrow. Who are you picking to play you? I don't know. I don't even know what they're gona like me. Bro, it's hard, but that's it's you. You You, This is really you play Alphle How did you do your research for Alphole. I lived in halland if I did a bad job, I wouldn't be able to live that damn. Like you know what I'm gonna do, go

back home. And then when I did that movie, this when I was outside every day, like I was on Lenox Avenue every day, when a beat out of no, I'm just saying you know, you know, I'm just saying that because um, you know Damon, Damon's like going to produce that movie, had a little leverage, and then um, Dame lobby for me to get that spot. He wanted, They wanted another actor to get it, but they were stuck on with Harris. So Dame told him, if you really want what Harris, you gotta get me camera and

he did good. So that's how that went. But but I said it earlier in the interview. I was like, like superstar status, household name. I think after paying the Fall, yeah, absolutely have to pay for you gotta realize its painting. Fall came out one year there, old boy and Haymond and diplomats and Jim Jones, didn't you well it was like a domino effect of a lot of ship there. So yeah, after that, it wasn't it was Yeah, you described you to do you play the great part to me.

I I'm gonna tell you what my sick. My ship was all freestyle. What happened was one year. Uh I knew Griselda. I didn't because this just sounds crazy. I just the way describers was tart. Let me just excuse me because we're tart. It might be wrong too, right, But I knew that there was some Colombians and queens. Oh, I did not be personally, but Queen's we had the cocaine. We didn't have to go up town. And I've seen Alpo and Rich. That's the ship I'm describing, Nika popping

the wheelies all that that was them. Niggas was in forty Projects and that's what they were doing the same exact scene that I'm striving. And I don't know, I don't get what you say because they're like, y'll listen, describe alphole but over exaggerated. I was like, alright, cool, I don't even have to kind of over exaggerated. I kind of it's gonna use what I've seen in forty Projects.

One day I went to see Uncle Wise and forty Projects or basically is one of those things and I've seen Alphole Rich and I forget whatever whatever one of these other guys is. But they was out there because queens. We had it at this time, and they were showing off. That's when I knew what the Hall of Nigga was. The Hall of Nigga is one of the Papa Willie in forty projects, just got killer neighborhood. But these things wanted to be like like yo, yoa gonna remember who

we were when we left. But they bore all the drugs. It's a fact. And I was like wow. So when I got the role, you know that my part some of y'all shy did in Canada, right, most of it. Yeah, My sip was on a huntred fur. My sip was in hall. So they said, yo, and I just I just a freestyle that most of the ship. I freestyle. Charles Stone was super dop. It was I havenau. The script was whacked, the clothing was whacking. I was like, yo, dame, they're gonna move back. No not. The script was wack.

The dialogue so what they did was yes, yes, yes, divalogue was trash to use their dialogue. Yeah, So what Charles to do was you didn't use their dialogue me. No, he he gave me. He gave me two takes. I would read the dialogue that was in the script and he'd like saying, how for real you would say that

if he was out there. So ninety percent of my dialogue was improv because shaw Stones understood that he's a dope director, but he did um you know, how to capture and he didn't like Daddy day Care or something like that CEO C movie. You know, I'm the girl girl really thought. I really thought she was left dive man playing that part off. He's gonna capturing times? Man, Oh, what what's kill the season? What we're gonna do last season parts? You know that's big niggas. Niggas really want

that man. So yeah, let's put together. Start to go fund me, start to go fund me see him. Niggers really wanted. He can't really independent. Do you want us to man all the killing season? Where we filmed that movie? I was crazy. I would get up. I would watch a movie and have to pay the yeah, and everybody goes listen, everybody's starving for you to act like I'm doing my own ship because you know what, I think it's me Broma's roles like be a florist. You know

what hurts me mad? Now I'm old. I'm not you know, I can't comprehend. But you know what hurt me bad ro When I went to see Minster Society in the movie theater and then the next time I went to movie theater to see Old Dog, he was inkwell, and I'm like, na, I'm not dog. Like you know what I'm saying, Like I noticed he's acting. Yeah, he really acted about telling you at that particular time like I'll play I play against the forest florist. Now, I'm just saying.

At that time, I wanted taking roles like It's ship with Tom Hanks stayed for me on type of ship. Somebout Tom doing my own movie, and I gotta say, man, I spend like a hunting son down too on it on it. But I was waking up, like right, what do we I saw that Shi in order like I just that there is a story here, we show the me in here, we have a shoot I watched heat one name like, yo, my sister, I'm like, I want to have a shootout. She like, if you wait next week,

we could do it. For I wanted tomorrow She's like, give me two days. Can We just had to shoot out and I made this. That ship was off the top of my head. It was no script. We ain't nobody had no paperwork, stared on nothing, one nigga period. I just got the masters the rights back to it a silence part of my master's getting back. So basically they at the rights in the movie. And then um, I got my music back, and then I got Killer season back probably about eleven months ago. Show now on it.

Oh Dad, this is right, I only got you got anything. You the reason why I got my business perfect like that. Let it's just a basic thing that me and my lady got together. Close shoes, accessories, waste, trainers, you need we got, you know what I mean. And it really comes off stemming off a Killer because everything he did, if he saw something, he wanted to know how to own it. You know what I'm saying. He don't want to be a part of it, you know what I mean.

He wanted to own He made the tire, he wanted to make the tire so good that they become his tire. So with that and everybody moving forth, I don't even knew what to do because of him, and that's how I had the stories about ten years now. But you know what I'm saying, definitely, it's www dot my perfect pid dot net. You know what I'm saying, Definitely, ladies going there from super small to five X. Now, Mom, I think it's my last question. It's gotta be gotta be.

I gotta peak this last one little off this deserve ship. Do you think that y'all brung it to the furthest stent with that, oh, the liquor, yeah, the look at this yeah, uh killing with further, you know, be honest with you. That's John. There was a lot of Jim Jim connect. I was more of a face even though he's you know, the money was all good, but Jim handled a lot of that, like a lot of stuff Jim needs, Like Jim went to Cotch. He's the one one not wanting to go to cots Jim felts people.

You know, Jim brought a lot of ship to the table. So while he was getting along with him not getting along, I played my position, even though my position was still the same as his. But I let him handle that ship like that's a lot of ship to me and Jim do today when it comes to business and maybe in some shift for diplomat going on, uh clothing deal and I'm like, I'm talking to home like I handle it,

let me know what we get. But then it might be a skateboard deal, and be like, yo, I'm just like, you know, about to bust these mood funds dot dot. So we don't always gotta be around each other as we communicating. Let me know you're about to be two and eight thousand for hat deal, or it might be a skateboard deal for for you know what I'm saying, like I don't got to be there, just let me know what the numbers is and vice versa. You know

what I'm saying, Like that's trust too. Yeah, absolutely, because we got some ship that's about to come up. I didn't even tell you, but I got it's a surprise. Yeah, we're not gonna really Yeah, let's be clear. I'm gonna be honest. I love your brothers, I appreciate, I'm so glad everything everything, But y'all all the actually first guests and never drink or smoke it out. That's not that's not because these niggs drink and smoke smoking a black and I don't know what what this black and is about.

Let's be honest with y'all. Seen you show and I'd be like, niggas look crazy, funked up up your small we're not good to talk about it. I wasn't gonna do that. I don't see things up here. I don't know if people gold. I've seen the way different, different way. Let's just tell you something before people put up the drink chance. We begged them, don't get drunk, don't smoke, just come so we could do it together. You know

what I'm saying, that's what the celebration. Listen, you know, god less versus for taking our celebration, you know, thinking and making it theirs. And that's no problem because you know what. You don't have to laugh that hard, all right, but if you're right, but you know, god less versus for taking that, that's what this is. It's a celebration.

So just in case I didn't say it, because you know, I don't know if your fans have been telling you this is the reason why they want you to come on Drink Champs, it's because how how much I appreciate you. You've been a part of not only my you know, CNN when when once come on with to Jail. That's my first freestyle with someone outside of my barrow all side of people that I worked with, but not only that, uh my solo career. You know bad from TV. I said,

I called you earlier? What what? And that was a disrespect to band from TV because band for TV was the people that I considered my closest friends. So that's why I wish you would have called me back then when we talked about that earlier. But but that and what was this last question I got? Is Perrie dogging? Right? Take another shot? What's your memory a band from TV? I remember when I wanted to be was hard to be was so hard and I wanted to rap longer. And he was like, Kim, I gotta be trouble. I

think it's troubler. Yeah, And I was like, yo, let me just go crazy like him. You gotta keep it, you gotta keep it sixteen I'm like, this be too hard to do. Sixteen bars many. I don't remember this camp, so you gotta school me. Did you hear anybody else's verse at that time? Really? I just now I didn't nobody else verse. I just I just heard the beat, and I was like, yeo this, I didn't know Locks and nobody was gonna be on there. We appreciate your

ship ship all right, so weerate this question. Reiterated, relaxed. You didn't know no one else was on that record for band, for TV. You just played the beef for me, elect lady. I don't remember the studio, but I remember I ain't getting a lot of money. I don't remember. I do remember when I heard it. I was like, damn, man, I would have probably did something else because I heard the Locks on it. Afterwards, then Pun was on it. Yeah, yeah, you killed Now I appreciate it, but I still was.

I was like, it's nothing like in my opinion is just like damn, I wish I would. I didn't know nobody was gonna be on the record, period. Not saying I didn't appreciate. I didn't throw to me a nory record though I didn't know who else was gonna be. Everybody else on the record that other people on today hear their verses. Honestly, it was how did that process go with everybody else? It was nature was in the studio called hunt called cam cam always was in Man,

I think I'm twenty blocks away. I'm good you came. You heard the ship slave this ship and just laugh. Okay, but everybody else here the other verses, I didn't know if we was I was gonna put hooks in there. So he's probably right when he says when he says, yo, I just played him to be. I wanted to keep going rapping. I remember he's like Cam, so you just never told people there was other I can't live his story. His other part of the story is helping me, shoping

mild the part of the story. But really what it was was I thought I was gonna do a hook but it was Nature. Then it was Pun, and it was Cam, and I got them all three on the same exact day, no, same exact night. And the reason why I remember it was it was an electric Lady, was because I went downstairs because one of my boys went to Great Papayas and I went downstairs because Pun was never supposed to be on the record. You talked

about PM wasn't supposed to be on the record. I was supposed to put you in Nature on the record. That was my idea. But then I went downstairs to Great Policies. One of my dudes was eating the frank and I was like, I just wanted to make fun of this nigga, and I went and pun lay the verse. When pun lay Diverse, I was like, yo, I gotta put put cam on this, and you were like twenty blocks away. I forgot. I think he was in a hip factory. I think it was a block hit factory.

But you didn't know anybody else was on this verse. Okay, so let's just end this with this. Do you think you had the best version of Badman TV? Uh? I don't know. I have to listen to it again, but I really, I'm really a big fan of when Jada and Styles go back to back, I'm a big fan of. That's very humble, you know like that. Then also, you know, what's your part as well? You're saying I had the best part. You say that can Yeah, at least I'm not talking. I'm saying I'm not your lot. Fun was

one of the best to the club. See, that's what I'm saying. When you ab all that ship, you have to put yourself in different minds, you in the car, or you in the business or whatever when you're in the club. But for the club, you had the verse right. Thanks for joining us for another episode of Drink Champs, hosted by Yours truly, d J e F and n O r E. Please make sure to follow us on

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