Episode 245 w/ Ace Hood

Drink Champs. Trink up, motherfucker mother? Would it good? Beat? Hopefully wouldn't s be? This says your boy l What up is d J E F And this is drink Chance, motherfucker? Yappya make some And right now when you're talking about Broward County legend, you know what I mean, dear Field uh legend, uh Florida legend. The man has worked with everybody from Applies to Rick Ross to Wile to Tea Paying the Birdman the Trick to Waka's a Little Wayne, to meet Mail the Fabulous, to change the Freshman. I

don't know what versu he ain't working with. He may they too, are, and I gotta keep a hundred on this intro then throughout this interview. When you think of we're the best, is two people that you think of who built that company, that was on the forefront on that camera, and this is one of them. He stood next to college they did all uh made history together, and he went on to do his own independence. He's holding it down. He ain't complaining about leaving the team.

He's staying here and he's doing what the hell he gotta do. He's out here monkey fucking the game, still being renavant, still doing what you gotta do. In case you don't know what you tell we're talking about, we

talk about motherfucker, motherfucker now legendary. In the beginning, in the beginning, In the beginning, Uh, you you wrapped it because you're like you're like a rapper, rapper, like like you're a lyricist, like I can tell you ain't gonna writing the rhyme down and just and and half acid understand you one of those two? So how did you

even develop that in the beginning? And especially I guess it's a double double question because a lot of people don't look at all souve artists as lyricists, you know what I'm saying. So a lot of people, So how did you develop that? Like, you know what I'm saying, being lyrical and then being lyrical first and yeah, so being a lyrical thing, bro, I came up on trying to put it self so so sure, sure I am

Black the Wild Kevin. So you know, I don't know, man, you know what so crazy is that the fact that South artist wasn't really known for lyricism putting together rhymes like that. So it's like, uh, I wanted to be a South artist that was able to do so. So I listened to a lot of like you know, uh up North influence, you know what I'm saying. So it's like cannabis, big yail, like you know what I mean. I listened to a lot of people that was really rapping,

people who was really doing a thing. So uh So for me, it was always about that. You know, these were people who were saying words using terminology and just language that which is very different, you know what I'm saying.

So to me, I wanted to have a little bit of both because yeah, we got the bounce, but I want to be able to say something in my music, you know, and then obviously being with with with Calli and the whole situation was like, uh, the expectation, you know, once the bar get raised, it's like, that's what we at with it. It's nothing. It wasn't out here. It just wasn't. It was a lot some real stuff like that.

In terms of the South, that's what people consider. People didn't consider us as being lyric like going to going to to pick up you and and and you're cool, like your analogies, the buzz superiors and all that. We didn't think that existed. That's why when you bring that up and you speak about we thought basic music, but we didn't. We didn't like looking from it. And to tell you truth, us as consumers at that time, I

think that's all we wanted from the South. Yeah, like that, like I'm sorry, I don't know, I'm say that you're looking at me grazy. Did you ever received slack by being so lyrical? Like did anybody saying, you know, you're

too lirial, you get out of here? Yeah? Bro? So um oh, this is interesting because in the in the beginning, I came in so lyrical and I wanted to wrap you know what I mean I wanted to be on some lyrical, typrical, pyrical, the different thing, you know what I mean, cannabis you know you don't those Canadas, right, you know what I'm saying. Like I wanted to be on that type of ship. I wanted to really wrap but coming into the game in the industry, like I

was taught that you had to dumb it down. You did like you know, um, I was taught that at that particular time that the consumer that wasn't what the consumer was was looking for when they wanted to have a good time. Like just the people that I'm around, you know, like your crew, like it's my crew. It's the industry focused the people that believe that it was you know, partly like Kalim because because you're not in

a way of saying that you can't be lyrical. But just um, it's different when you're trying to create a radio record or record, you know what I'm saying. So I know, I don't know that in retrospect they were probably wrong, but I and they said jay Z did the same thing. Well, I mean that's what I was told because even did the same thing. It's widely yeast b and I mean, I don't know at what point,

but it's what I mean. I don't know if this is a rumor, but it's widely knowing that he said that he had to bring it to a level where he wanted to bring people in so that everybody could understand, and then he was gonna raise the bar once he had them. That's what that's what that's that's because I looked at two Box whole career. I've never seen him dumb it down, not at one point have to hit me up and front like two bocks dumb down. I

think he had more in some cases. I think I think Too Popular went deeper with some of it, you know what I'm saying, But not not really. And you yourself, you've ever dumbed it down? Yeah? Yeah, for sure, Yeah, yeah, absolutely, because you know, when you're trying to learn, you know, you're trying to build a fan base. You know, it's it's you know, you know, you're listening to the people that've done it before, you know what I'm saying, So it's like, um, you know, you gotta experiment, man, you

know what I'm saying. So that that's really what it was like for me. It was like, all right, cool. So I know I have to dumb it down and know to create in order to create certain records. But I also know that, um, you know, I got so much more in me, you know what I mean. I can tell real stories and stuff like that. You listen to nas, you listen to people like yourself, like you're

her stories. I like that take me on a journey throughout this, you know what I'm say and like, So that's that's more so where I'm at now in my mind. Now I'm Deerfield Beach right now. Growing up there? Who was your who was your influences? Because I'm sure it's very cliche to say trick daddy, but it's just some difficult Uh yeah, I want to know too. Yeah. So, so coming up the Deerfield legends were they weren't in music though, you know what I mean, They weren't musicians.

These guys with ballplayers. I grew up playing football. That was my thing. So what I'm saying, so like all the legends, you know a lot of people that you see in the NFL or whatever, like these are the people that we just came up looking up towards, you know what I mean, Like Tyrone, mass of these guys, and you had like I grew up playing with Patrick Peterson, you know what I'm saying, and uh so many other guys JP, p um uh. Just just those type of people,

you know. We was really I grew up looking up to like Dion Santas. I wanted to be like growing up, you feel me like Crown Time. So it was more so of that. And on the music side I looked up to more so you know, you got the waynes we had the soldier slim like. I was big on that South type stuff. So um so that that was really where my influence came from when I was young. You know, we all wanted to on our foe Willis Yea,

I played football. Yeah. Not. The funny thing is when I didn't live out here, I always looked at it always be in Miami, meaning let's talk about that Phil Beach. I thought that was Miami. About Hollywood, I thought that was Miami. Uh for a lot of them know what's Miami? Uh, what's the what's my man called that black come from? All These plays are very different. You gotta live out here to know that because once they see once you land and you see the palm trees and you see

the same dregs and the same goals. Yeah, it wasn't till I got here, like you know, you know the brook and the Queen's rivalry, the queens within Queen's rivalry, and I started like you know, the cop up Browner County. Uh day, was you on that side of the fence where like you know, it was hard for you. So so for us bro growing up where we're from, it was it was it was Haitian American issues, Faitians Americans.

So literally like in high school, you know you so in high school in the elementary like, so that was the main thing. And where I stayed at, which is interesting is that, Um, I grew up in an all Haitian neighborhood, which is why I came into the game with so many zos and all my homies, like so that's my my brotherhood. It's like my family, you know. Um.

And the Americans grew up on the west side. So that was always an issue because I'm an American and like you know what I'm saying, like or just like right like American, right, Um, But that was the rival issue going on. So you had a lot of people selling drugs on this side and doing their thing and hustling and doing that business or whatever. But them guys from this side can't come to this side, you know. And if you're from that side, you can't come to

that side. And I'm from this side, but I got homes from that west side. So that was always like it's New York is looking at looking at all of y'all, everybody, like this is happening in Deerfield. This is like three minutes down the street. Like if I'm staying on sixty sixty, sixty street, whatever, you got the other homies there on the west side, and it's it's always it's back and forth beef. Now you got homies pulling up on the block doing what they do. You got homies pulling up

on our block doing what they do. And it's like, if you ain't sail nothing in this area, if you ain't do nothing to contribute to this area, you can't really come to this area per se. But real Florida is they think Florida Miami. Everything is south. Like if you're talking about on some ship and I'm not just saying this, but if you're talking about like the trenches of Brower County. You're talking about deer Field pumping the period.

If you're talking about that's what I believe, like um pumping, you know, like yeah, and what's so crazy about that? It's literally like deer Filt pamplot was one and the same because eventually, like our area cold and it got switched from Deerfield to actually complace. I didn't understand who COOLDA.

Black was and like, you know how he was doing his tactics until I started hanging out with people that that's like him, and I'm like, okay, this is look like they're all a little crazy, got mad sense, got math sense. So um, so I'll tell us. The difference, Uh, had you been from Miami would have been a difference in in in anything you have done. Yeah, that would have been different. There would have been a different swaggle, for sure. I think there would have been definitely a

different swag, different ideas about myself, you know. Um, you know, Miami was much more different. You know, Miami used to consider themselves as a little bit more forward than than Broward County was. Right, So when UH say they was on let's say fitted jeans and fitted shirts, Broward County, we were still. Uh you know two x three shirts. You know what I'm saying, box you pull up, we still they still playing the Boosey and all over right before you saying so, I think it just would have

been different. And I think that's such a prominent point for me in my career because I received it was so much like hatred because of that, because of the moves in the beginning, because like when people say hatred not from not from your I mean just because like you know, so the biggest thing was that I was from I'm from Deerfield, but shooting content in Miami, you went through that, huh for you like, because like you know, I wasn't from left Back. My first video was in

queens Bridge. They did not let they did not let me go down. I had no power. I had no power, right, Okay, So the people were left Frock like queens Bridge, You're Queen's Bridge, dude. I'm like, no, I'm from left Frax. If you're gonna look at this time of my album, I had to say left Frac three thirty six hundred times to make sure I did not playing queens Bridge.

I had no power at the time ahead and that's the issue that I was dealing with because I felt like I needed to go back and say, dear Field and in the city constantly, so now popping up in the city. Now we shooting videos in the city. But you know, eventually, over time I started to learn that it wasn't really about that, you know what I'm saying, Because constantly people was trying to attach me to Miami. And every time somebody would, I'm like, bro, I'm not

from Miami. I ain't grow up in the streets. That ain't my hood. And you understand, like I take that to heart because I don't know them parts. And if like you know, like we grew up and you don't know them parts, you can't really speak on that, you know what I'm saying. It's just simple and plain. So for me, I understood the idea of them like cool. But everything I would say, yo, brow would not if our fault was on my skin is in my life. Like I took it around the world, I moved it,

you know what I'm saying. So you know, that was the biggest issue because Miami do things in a very different way than I feel like a brow would do it. You know what I'm saying. A lot of cocaine. If you know who knows? I want to take a shot. I want to take a shot. Shot man, I'm here, yes, yes, sir, um, I need you know. We heard you around guy, so we got you. We heard you the bamboo, so we got you that. I got you that tune. I'm gonna do the regular. You know some mom wanna No, I'm sorry, um, yeah,

I'm gonna be honest. You have a conversation about the how much you like the mama wanna? But I'm putting in here now behind the paddle. No, I'm gonna do regular. She wants some bamboo I'm gonna do and we don't. We don't know if you know. But our sure was about celebrating people. You know, so many people want to get rid of people. And you know, I'm gonna looking at your crib. You have career, you have a lot of trials and trip relations daughter ups and downs, but

you stay solid. You stayed you know down, you stayed loyal. And we're gonna get into all that, but we're gonna salute you as we get in solid. Okay, So I want the shot before I go on. Go on, think you ain't gotta life? Come on, man, you see some more. Come on, what's going on? Every life on the room was disappointed right now? Come on, come on, but hey, I'll get it, do it. So Trials and Triple Relation seven on going over the place. Um, what made you

name your album that at that time? Ah? Ship oh man, I would going through a lot of trials at that particular time. Um, what was I do actually dealing with at that time? With trials and tribulations? That was bug on there and that was hard. Um, Trials and tribulations was like the the answer to what I had been through, you know, in order to like, uh, to solidify myself

as an artist. You know, I felt like I had great records in the beginning, but I felt like it wasn't up until Hustle Hard was like my self proclaimed record that was like the record people know me for. And I feel like in any artist's career, I think it's important for you to have a self establishing record

for yourself. And to me, Hustle Hard was gonna like I know, but I say that to paying in of just trials and tribulations, I feel like I was just dealing with I would just I was dealing with so much, man, I think in terms of just taking care of my family, you know what I mean, and trying to take care of my family and everybody in my family and take care of myself and also still trying to be president and create records and and and you know what I'm saying,

and had these ideas and make sure that these are my ideas and not someone else's ideas. Make sure like I'm fully involved in the process of doing that, and make sure I'm seeing my children at the same token. Since I say I'm doing I'm doing all of this for the people that I love. You know what I'm saying. You want to I want to make sure I'm spending

time with these people. So I was just going through like I was just trying to find my balance and know what I'm saying, So trials and tribulations for me at that point was just you know, I just needed to overcome something, man, and really just like get my feet planning for real, for real, because I felt like I was, I guess, being overcome in some way man, you know, or just figuring it out. Just that too, that too, that too, and point you did cash for? I did cash for That was like one of the

first records I did. That was after I'm So Hood, but I'm So Hood didn't come out. No, no no, no, that was before man, Yeah, that was before. So that was like two thousand and eight, you know what I'm saying. That was like one of the first few records. So once we decided, once I got signed to the whole were the best situation. Like we went in and we started to create records like right away. So that was one of the records that came out of the batch.

Cooling and Drade was a part of that record. You know what I'm saying. Shout out Cooling and Drade them called them, came in and we just wanted to create some special man, you know what I'm saying. And then like just to have the idea of having Tee pain and rost him on that ship was nasty, bro. He was that yeah. Yeah, so all right take the shot. Okay,

I'm ready, baby Solo Solottle back out. So Collins has this radio station in nine Yeah, and one of your boys got the plug to tell you that he's dead or you just figure I'm gonna just pull up my boy hold him on the radio. At that time, he heard him on the radio and it was like some type of contest or something like he had he had going on. So when he he when he hit me about it, he came to the crib and I was like, he was like, yo, catched up at ninety nine jams.

Like I'm like, so what that means? Like you know what we're doing? He's like, Yeah, We're gonna go up to the radio station and like try to wrap for bro like records at the time, or you were just going into rap records, because you know, they pull up, right, we pull up. We pull up. First of all, we in the merk. We're in the Mercury, the Mercury leaning on over y'all, you know, and Paul is the old school's back then. You know what what I'm saying, I ain't

gonna I'm gonna let you have this. Yeah you don't know what you're talking about it, but it's a Mercury, right, But that's the call. You know, they fixed him up. They were like the bubble, the bubble, Chevyes backing and all that good stuffy and policy. So we in that. You know, I think it's important to say that because of just what that representing. You feel me like the sound system work you know what I'm saying, like, yeah, you know, we're trying to get it. It's right, you

know what I'm saying. So we pull up at the radio station. The gate is open. God normally the gates club. So we pull up. The gate is open. I knew it was God. I knew he was all costrated. We pulled up. As soon as we get in there, Calip pull up five minutes later. I never forget it because I've seen the way that baby blue fanom pulled up in the vibe. It was it was nasty, right, he pulled up, he hopped out. Now keep in mind now I think this is important too for like you know,

in general what the game is different. But back then, like as an artist, you had to be prepared. So I had a bio, I had a picture, I had CD with my songs on it, everything in an envelope and I ain't playing. So look at my instagram right, just right right, you go to my Instagram like like you're gonna do it outside or like you know what I'm saying. Me and them like yo, boom whatever. But so we the count of them, man, we're hanging out and the callous like when you walked up on him.

He's not hesitant because yeah, people pull up right for two weeks later, right or something? He called so he hit he hit back that night, but I was skipping. Yeah, you gotta give He gave him the CD. We gave the CD right because I wanted them. Yeah, I wanted to rap for him. I couldn't wrap for him. He had this radio station. He had to be that six fifteen, six thirty, right, you gotta be doing this thing. So

I didn't. I didn't hear back or hear anything until like the following day, you know, like he hit my manager back. That same night, I was having a conversation with him and was like yo boo boom boom. I like what I heard. I hear the hunger, like I want to work with this guy. And from there two weeks later when we had the prior meeting to actually signing and you know and figuring out what we want

to do. When he sent you, I'm so was he paying on there was anybody on there or he just seen you to beat pain was on the Yeah, he sent me, so he sent me to you know, bro, that's it's it's crazy when I think about it, because just in my mind of hearing that song, right, being in Club Boker with the homies, not even knowing Cali and not even knowing nothing, right, you know about that club Boker, So like were enough vibing with the homies and like, definitely true, let's go crazy. So in my mind,

we're catching the vibe. And so for him to send me a record that got t paining hooked but a free verse and then this hook come back, I felt like I was like, man, that's like, this is no, this is not a normal opportunity. Keep paying on the hook and it ain't like orchestrated to put this together. I took a little piece of ripping when I said that. I just felt like I gotta, I gotta, you know, I gotta come with it. I wrote like five six verses, bro, I went to the studio at the same time show

and uh. And from there, man, once I you know, knocked the verses and I recorded the verses that slipping slide. I think that's important. Yeah yeah, so Lucas and then and then what have happened? Laid five verses or you wrote five verses? I laid five verses and I wrote five verse and I just took the best too, and I sent him that you know what I'm saying, so he can what was that moment? And in sending that, man he called me right back and which is like, bro,

like I love it. I love it. He said, Man, I hear that dog, I hear that hunger, and like, let's do something. We're gonna have him meeting Boom boom. He had the office across the street from the radio station. We linked up at that spot the next time and we were sitting down talking about having the deal man and him wanting to sign me. Like my guy at that particular time wanted it to be about dollars and deals. We wanted to get like he wanted to get a

label situation. But at that time he was only interested in signing me. So um so yeah man. So that from there it was it was history. Broa yeah, straight up, I got notes. You know I'm in this. I'm yeah down, okay, okay, okay, let me okay okay. We had a lot of I don't want to wrong okay, so boom to get with college hustle Hall doesn't come out yet, right what you cash roll comes out? First? Cash roll comes out? Yet

this first time flying to New York. I flew to New York once we ended up figuring out the deal. My first time I were going to New York. Who flew to New York to go see l a read and he was with Deaf Jam at that time. So at this time I had cash flow. I had the stressing record that I recorded with applies. Did he have chapstick? Feel like he was put on chapstick. I just feel like he was. He wasn't about man. Every time I've seen him putting on the chapter what are you doing man?

He put he got the other ship, the lip bomb. Come on, you got to stop, you gotta last. He said, He's a genious. He's a genious to be signed you, that means you hill. So yeah, fly to New York. Are you nervous because because because you know this is a possibility, he can fly, he can introduce you, you know, because right now they can look at your looking on Instagram and say, oh, I like the way you look.

But this is if you're going to New York. This is to look at how you look in your face, to see how you perform to see So are you are you nervous or do you even do you even know this process is happening? The pep talk before you get there. I'm beyond nervous, first of all, because I'm first of all, I'm flying. It's my first time ever flying, It's my first time everything. It wasn't it was the first time for everything, first time flying, first time being

in New York, first time. You know, we had missed the child at that time, first time having missed the child in the office. Bro, I'm so nervous, bro. But the PEPs hall right, this was like this is the Illis ship about Kalid? Right? Is that his level of like the way he's able to motivate you or this l a read we gotta go this how they read you gotta you gotta sell this, like make him feel like yo yo yo yo yo yo yo yo yo

yo yo yo. You can't play like it's a chance to like it's not a game, like we gotta do I can seek up. It's like what I'm saying, Like it's like like that's that's that's the energy. So for me, that's all I need to hear him. You with me, you affirm me, We in it's together. Let's do this, Like you know what I'm saying, so for me, as soon as I get in up with l A read like you know I come from like I come from the hood. I come from did feel like down the street,

the projects. We gotta home me So I need this. I ain't even to play with this opportunity for me. So I spill it all. I give it all. I mean they get emotion on everything they're giving him. That stress in Verse repplies on it. I mean nothing going hard with that cash floor. You're gonna feel me, you feel me like and he felt that, you know for for then, Man, we were signing the deal, I stepped

at the room. We was inking the deal, big MR's what I'm asking, what's that moment like when you step out the room, because I get the gotta be a moment when they're talking to were you not there? Yeah? Is what it is? What's going through your mind at this time? The moment after I left the room, I felt fulfilled and I felt like I did that. I left it there, but like you got yeah yeah, or even if I didn't like I left it, you know what I'm saying, Like like I did my part, You

know what I'm saying. That's how I feel about it. It's like, as long as I show up and I do what I'm supposed to do. However you choose the whatever decision you made, I'm a right with it. Goddamn you did what I'm saying, my brother salute brothers? Was the moment in the music industry when you realized this ain't all the track? Oh yeah? What was that moment like for you when it hit the realization? And I

hit that realization, bro, it was was it was? It was scary, you know, because I think once I got to that realization that you know, I came into the game as a as a you know, young buck. I was eighteen nineteen years old, knowing that I didn't acquire much about the business, knowing that I didn't ask to really see certain things, knowing that I was um, I didn't have it on any insight about what budgeting was for me, Knowing that I didn't have you know, I

was just the workhorse. I didn't, you know what I'm saying. I think that was the thing because I didn't. Once I started to put it together, I started to understand of like, man, I could be I could be tangled into something that I have no idea how to get myself out of you know what I'm saying, like, because as you started to get older, right, you started to mature, and when you're young, you want the money. You know

what I'm saying. For me, it's like, cool, I want to be able to supply you know, you know, like provide for my mother because my mother was struggling. You know what I'm saying, Like nobody around her couldn't really do anything. So it was like for me, I felt like I needed to be the man that step up. So in my mind, this money is gonna help. You know, when you're young, this money is gonna help provide for

my family. So you ain't thinking about what that contract of what business will look like later on until you get older and then started asking questions, right, So I think that's when I started to see that, uh you know. And then even with politics, I never really liked the politics ship in music, you know what I'm saying, um in the beginning, But once I learned it, I understood

it and I respected. But you know when people when we say we're brothers and we do certain things, I took that to heart because the industry, it's just what I started to learn like, oh, when it comes from real, come to certain right, one is not bullshit. Everybody ain't real, that's what and that's what. And when I let that was the toughest part because I'm like, damn, but I thought this person not speaking to the people that I was close. Just tell you, my brother, but when I send,

you won't try me. I'm like, damn, but I thought we were Okay, I get it, but I and I know at that point. But you know, if I would have knew in advance, like I could have, I would have knew it would expect I could have managed my expectations. Um, but that ain't happen. So it's just seeing a little shit like that. I'm just like and just ideas that people will have, you know what I mean, It could just kind of just turn me. Well, I'm just like,

this ain't real logical. This ain't even like I'm like, what Nick is doing in this ship, Like you ain't trying to become better people? Why we gotta like, am I just trapped in being this one person? And I gotta beat this person my entire career, That's what I'm saying. I'm like, I can't evolve and grow up and be no. No, that's why I went artists a lot of times. I mean,

you gotta tell you the truth. You got it better than a lot of people who called the road deal or anything or you know, I have to leave every established label because they wanted to go on their own. A lot of people what they would do is they'll become this artist and they'll be and an artist. If you complain about your rights and you're an artist, you're problematic, right, that's sucked up, that's fucked up, that's funked up. That like you know what, I'm glad you put me on.

I'm glad that you put me into place. I'm glad that this label helped me out. But look this parting, right, can we just correct that? Most people will say, no, are you a millionaire? Can you pull up in the range of what can you put up in the mayback? Can you put up in such? Why do you why you need to correct something that you're already good at? And it's like, because I don't want to be perfect, but I want my ship to be right. But if you do that, then you're you're known as a problematic artist.

Like as you were leaving the are we the best? That was you receiving those type of things like what people spreading rooms like jay One's or something telling people don't with the hood. You know these people? And I wasn't leaving. What did you were? Sorry? Where that was the beginning? Well, he was a def jam happened in the beginning. At some point we moved from def jam. Def jam was only my first two projects and then we have to cash projects. Those projects got finished with them.

Because at one point, I'm stoping, You're going right back to this. Remember that question. Remember what the question was? What was it? Remember? Please? Because I felt like you were the face of the weed the best death jam, things like did you feel like you want to face at that time? Yes? Okay, yes, alright, I did feel like that. I always felt like that, right, yeah, okay, we're gonna get back to that. What was the other Guess what was I saying? You know what you were saying? Yea?

And he was he was saying he fulfilled the death jam projects? And when was it that the breakup happens? At what point in the business dealings you have another is it cash money? At that point we were under cash money contract with two people so this is how it happened. So originally I started with death Jam, and then after Death Jam with the first two albums, I ended up moving. Um, we ended up going to Universal, which was cash Money, right, cash Money, who got in

all that other stuff? Right? Um? Then Issue started to stir up Cash Money Universal. You remember that when they had the issues and just things would just happen when you called it, right, I'm calling the melee We always you know, even with the label. So it's like you know, people trying to just keep you know, keep what they can keep type of things. So you know, Brot wanted to make his own decision to kind of do his own thing, like you know, he wanted to be his

own independent field. So he wanted to kind of separate. Yeah, Keli wanted to separate from the Universal Music and kind of do something different. You know what I'm saying. He wanted to be more independent. Okay, is that leaving you guys are the label all the artists left behind by doing that, Well, he wanted to branch off. So yes, it would be like you know, handling this business in this way and then taking that you know, your imprint

and making it independent. And then we were under red Sony Red distribution Sony read is when the issue started to start stop because I think, like you said, there was a certain level I was invested in the way the US right. I felt like me and Brod created that together. If you were not brand on sleeve, if you thought about we the best, you thought about you thought about Ace, you thought about calin facts, it wasn't one without the other. It's just what it was. You

feel me. Um So, I felt like it was like damon j at one point. That's how I felt, And I thought, you know, I thought that we were just man, you know what I'm saying. So for me, I had right. I didn't like the fact that the decision was made without me. I didn't like that the fact that the decision was made to part ways from our distribution and may not know about it, and you decide solely to say we're gonna take this one imprint and go over

here him and do this granted rightfully, rightfully distribution? Was you um mad that you was leaving Universal just because we were at we were we were with Universal going from Universal to something that's more independent, which you know, which was then D. Yeah, it was just the principle for me was the fact that I felt like were sated this thing together that now we should make all

the decisions. But this was a decision that I felt like I thought we were brothers enough that you would come to me about this decision type of thing in some way, you know what I mean. And maybe he feels wrong that or don't feel the same way that that I could even be in a position to say that, But I felt like we built this. I contribute out you know what I mean. I wrapped that ships on my skin. I didn't you know what I mean, I

was out here. People knew that. So for me, the decision to take it from one thing to another was an issue for me, you know, because then I started to understand that my it's not about my decision, you know, and you I'm sorry to cut you off that no, Like he didn't even call you and say listen, no, no, no, no. So this so once he made a decision, it was like final with Sony read and it was happening like that's when the conversation actually happened, you know what I'm

saying with us, And I felt blown away because I felt like I wasn't prepared for it. There's ideas and there's things that I wanted to do that I felt like I needed a major, a major backing to do so, you know, And I just think like the decision even though for him, yes, it's your brand at the take it like he maybe he felt like, well, it's my brand.

I don't I created it, right, But I feel on your in it's like it's impacting your career because only because only because the moment this imprint started, which means that the moment you knew about it, the hood was signed to it and it don't and it existed at the point I think you felt like it was created around you, not around me. No, I don't feel like

it was created. I feel like I was the first representation of that brand of what I'll tell you the misunderstanding right there, right Like when you sign an artist, it's like signed, it's like signing the baby, right, and it's your baby, that's what they say, that's my baby, like sometimes right, but as the artist grows, sometimes you still give the artist information, you still give them perish, but you're not realizing that artists got teeth now and

the artists actually want doesn't want purists. No More doesn't want baby fool and it deserves to say, you know what you got be eating chicken? Now, all right, that's cool, but why are we eating chicken? Okay? And why do you want to change? Why? And that's and that's just what it is. I understand his position because it's his comform, and as I understand that you you wasn't eating partridge no More, right, it was your m at least no,

you know what I'm saying. So I get where your coming myself too, Like I'm an artist, and that really goes with what you're saying. You were the flagship right right, And and I'm not saying that I wanted to know all the ins and outs of his business or anything. I just think just think that anything that affects me I should be in part. I should be, you know, within that conversation. You know what I'm saying. I just think that's right, and I think that's fair, not even

about being right, I just think that's fair. You know what I'm saying. If you're gonna decide to take that, and yo, so I'm just decided to. I'm just sign to take I know we were with blog, but we're gonna move over. And you know what I'm saying, That way we're in it together, right, and that way it doesn't feel like I'm excluded in that. You can, you solely can make these decisions. Now, who in ald mind?

What does that say about me? If you can just decide anytime you want to take this thing and do what you want with it. And that was that I'm supposed to follow behind and do what you want with it too. But one man percent, when you're on Miami Heat, you get traded to the next tomorrow, right, and you won't have no motherfucker decision on that. Maybe that's really you know what I'm saying. So you just wanted the courtesy is what he wanted, the curt But I just

don't want to try to say it. Sometimes you don't get that courtesy, Like what now official, it's like this, you play for the Raptors, You're like only movie. The check is still there's But that's what he's likely looking at. I'm just being deaf. Was out of right? Look like yo, check is still gonna be there. Everything in either way how I am and how one built, I respect the decision,

the decision either way either way I respected it. At the end of the day, I understand that it's about it's your thing, it's what you want to do with it. I just wanted that, and they're like, I'm gonna hate you. I just wanted to have that input of just but since I didn't get it's still cool, there's nothing whatever.

But it's just raised a question in my mind of like what maybe you should kind of like start focusing on the things that you would really want to like and the things that you really want to create and really want to bring forth right, because if someone else is doing it, like you know, we all want to do it. We all want to create and bring a certain level of energy and inspiration and motivation into the world, into the minds and the hearts of people, you know

what I'm saying. Like, of course, so it raised that opportunity in my mind of like, okay, like you know, and I respect that because you know, I'm always if I laid my bed, I'm gonna laying it peacefully. You know. If I made that bad, I ain't tripping, you know what I'm saying, Like, that's just being a real one. You know, I'm bouncing around because I'm coming back to the I love, yeah, but how much pictures you cash? Just like y'all was like like, I'm sorry, back to

these sessions was crazy. I'm sure you usually speak about any thing in the building like come on, how like how crazy was it? Like you know what your groupie days? My my my groupie days was? It was? It was exciting, It was exciting. It was very last for you to see what I'm saying. It was exciting after now that we're not groupies no more because if we're groopy too,

you know, we're not only massive boobies. It was a lot of us act like oh you know, you know I was young, Like no, that was ye, Like it's exciting and fun, okay, because I respect that. Goddamn it. Like the days them ship, it was amazing. It was amazing, bro. I love every minute of it because you know, as lessons and all of that, you didn't know what I'm saying. So you know, I had the studio with your shirt off kids. Yeah, yeah, we're gonna have them all in

the studio. We're gonna pack them and we're gonna vibe, you know under staying Like the thing about me, I've always been a man of respect, I've always treated women with the utmost respect. That's how I moved and the people, you know what I'm saying, Like it's just period, you

know what I'm saying. So even before this, like you know, I was never on the wow wow wildness, but I was the type of person that I like what I like, which means that if I have, like some women that I'm involved with or whatever, it's like a few pieces that's outstanding, and we take trips and we do flash it and then like you know what I'm saying, and

I rocked with that. I'm the time. I can rock with that for a year, two years, like you know what I'm saying, And that's just my little thing, you know, mean my little shorty or whatever. And then I got my other little shorty like type of thing, so that was like my field. I got beautiful pieces. That's how I am. Detail beautiful pieces. And we're gonna look like that Molly involved. You don't ain't dumb money. I ain't never do money. This is some ship I heard. I

heard about the Molly conversation and all that. But right now we're looking forward. Me too, you know, I don't even to that later that you've never nothing. Just this week some pills, uh did some some pergoset before I did some uh some adderall um to study right right right right do for black people, you know, just super focus, super what I'm saying. Like and it's just like so say you know you don't have a long day or something like that. You know what I'm saying that, like

you might want to go catch your vibe somewhere. You might want to do somewhere, you might want to be involved in something. You know what I mean. I feel like you have you go, you go half of a thirty and know you know you smoke, you want sip you a little popular little shot like it's at and you're like, man, what's hanning what we're doing? Like like you can see ship kinda yea, kinda come right, let's just swell. I'm good that really I've never had that.

And I would just say about the drug thing, just don't abuse it. The moment you abuse it abuses you, period. That's what I believe in. Like you know what I'm saying, don't do nothing, just don't abuse it, period it because you would do you like a holistic nigger right now, like you should be meditated and all that ship like Buddhist type ship, real ship. That's hard. But I feel like you've always been into that. I feel like you've

always been like a spiritual person. Like I feel like there's nothing new, Like I feel like, you know what I'm saying, you have to say when you were seventeen. But I grew up in a church, you know what I'm saying. My mom brought me up in the church, so we were Christianity and all of that. I was always I'm always a man of faith, you know what I'm saying. Like, so I've always leaned on my faith in any time things get uncertain for me. That has

always brought me clarity. So um, I trusted that and from that in terms of from that Christianity that inspired him to like my spirituality and you know that ties and also with my wife and my lifestyle and stuff. So and just like my fitness, my health ship too. Just exploring all of that is what really took me there. So there's never been a time where your faith wasn't there. I'm talking about No, I'm not talking about life. It's about the music business. Because a lot of people don't

understand how hard it is in this music business. This is this is like, you know, this is hard, you know what I'm saying. Ever, like like it was like, man, this is it for me? Yeah? Yeah, bro, Yeah, I think like I felt like that after my second album, like Ship got real for me at that time. You know what I'm saying. I felt like, man, like I don't know because I was still new to the game

before all of that. You know what I'm saying. That was I was really me just like I'm really trying to figure it out and taking care of my family living in the condo space, man, trying to pay my bills and Ship and I you know, and at that point, like call on the road and they're doing their thing, and it's kind of like you gotta make it hit. You gotta do something that, you know, impress me. You know what I'm saying. It was that type of energy. So I just didn't know whether or not I could.

I'm saying because I think you took I think you described the hustle hard. Now, I think this is where we're going, right, So you're saying that at that time that's fully inspired that record was because that was a low point in your life into that yeah, anyone is just that. H I feel like it wasn't just that

time neither to you know what I'm saying. Like, it was also even I feel like the time of uh separating two, you know what I'm saying, of trying to think to myself of like, you know, what would it look like being independent? You know, and if I could really rise to the occasion of being an independent artist, you know what I'm saying. So it was definitely times that will pop in the moments that I would be like, damn, bro,

like you know, because it's difficult, you know what I'm saying. So, but yes, to go to to to jump back, like, yeah, that was the hustle hard time. Let me just tell you something. I looked at YouTube comments hw SO hard video. They blamed at least three d artists. I'm still in your flow, M Like I'm talking about it's even UK dudes on there saying, man, everyone in the Americans like Ace Foot, I'm like, Tip Westwood every round, let me

rude about it from Thunder Shutout. Yeah, I'm sorry it was terrible, but like I really looked at that and it brought me to a Tim Westwood interview with you, and it just kept going, people saying how so hard Like for lack of a better phrase right now, lack of a better term, is like the Megos flow, like how everyone sounds like the Megos and everyone. I didn't realize that that's what everyone was saying about you with

hustle off. I didn't realize that. I'm sure you've noticed that because I've seen the interviews like, yeah, they're all but my ship. That's the that's the honest truth, brom, and honest you know that. It's it's flattering to be honest. You know what I'm saying. Uh, But I think I was so in my zone at that time that I didn't always fully realize. But people from the outside would always come up to me, Yo, bro, this bro, this person sound like you. Why they doing that at jump

flowing that like that's your flow. But if we're being honest, bro, first of all, nothing new around the sun, but nothing new on this earth what I'm saying, So it's like we all inspired by somebody you know. So, Uh, I never took ownership of a float, but but did I hear um? Did I inspire a generation? For sure? For sure? You know what I'm saying like with that flow and then with that cadence on hustle hard. But I knew I did because I knew before and this is this

is no lie. When I went before I even wrote the record, bro, I told myself when I heard just the instrumental, I said, if I can, if I can create a flow that's different on here, it's gonna change the game. I swear the guy and I in the studio, and I had that. I went in the booth with that intention to change the game, not meaning that the game is gonna change. Copying you, you didn't know that far. I knew that. I knew that the flow was new to to what was out because I would always I

was always that type of artist. I always wanted to recreate myself, which is why every time you would hear a new ace Hood record, you would always be like this again, back how that verse go, that's how that's that? Uh same it's different verse, the same most ship, just a different day. I hit trying to get it, and my daughter had just got so all of this is real. Hustle, hustle, hustle outside August. Uh you got that. That's years ago.

When I'm saying you can't cars man. Come on, man, oh man, that flow though we were pulling up, pull it up as come on, surprised me blowing up already to I ain't gonna last night before we did we rocket pistol off from my pocket and get the shock. Its ain't got time to be shopping, like to say. You know what I'm saying, uh yeah, connected to the reut tooth things. But you take that at the time that we're gonna we're gonna pay it. We're gonna pay

you that jam to use this magic. God, Yeah, that's it, really okay Cooke bro oh different day, feed h I got my mocket. Even at that hearing that rope over up on my low Joe. He's whipping that lowco Who the gover? That loco? How better fucking I know? So I think it ain't no doubt about it running around with that rocket y'all ol blue him who you know? Three meets. I got folks be jumping that time all about it. That life. Don't stop the party and JA like say you did. Day, Oh my god, I can

see anybody pitt your ship. Perspect that yo, that is that you know listening to it now? I listen to it in the way it still sounds great. But it still sounds great by the way that's me, but it sounds it almost makes you seem like the normal guy. Like it anymost makes you seem like you brillanted in like if I didn't look at the comments and go through the research and all that, like that's probably something that would would try to erase you in history. And

this is actually this is the first. Yes, this is crazy, this is crazy. Yeah. Some somebody even argue that the whole like, I mean, you know, that's that's tedious. I know you hustle bad, but let's take you into the shot. Let's get up feeling that I claiming another shot that the case be Blame it on the alcohol. Man, don't worry about you gotta record about it. You got drunk about don't work about drunk fat, I don't worry about it. No, no, oh COVID Mama, I don't suggest to go. Yeah it

is yeah, yeah, yeah, COVID. You know it comes from change. Okay, hold on, shot, someone, come on, God damn, we're gonna make you claim you'll flow today. I'll drop a show like somebody felt pretty hard. I apologize you've got no assurance.

But but yeah, so I know you said you flattered, but ween, and you don't have to name the artist, you know, I came up with yea, my blow, I've seen the y'all was taking the y'all right, right, yaking, When was the first time you don't have to name the artist if you don't want to, if you if you want to to take a shout to his name

too or whatever. But it was the first time he was like, y'all, wow, like I'm making an impact like off of that flow along, like you're hearing like somebody that you like, and how quickly after you know what,

I'm a real nigger. So I think that it's only to keep it honest because it was only us, really us two at that time, like really the me and meek situation, that's what everybody what I'm saying, just to be honest, I just to address it and face that like it was a lot of people were saying that in comparison because of the flow that Meet went off and use you know what I'm saying, like, so, so that's what people was always trying to round it too.

But Meet, my man, I got nothing but loved meeting right, and I was flattered in only that, like you know that that's that's I don't know. I just like the idea of just contributing. You know what I'm saying this hip hop right, I haven't seen a lot of amazing ship bro like you know, I mean, like to be a part of it, to be in it, Bro, and just to contribute something, Uh that ship matters. That's puteful, man.

I'm glad. I'm glad you said that, because that was the one name that kept coming up in the comments like meet me, and I never addressed that in the past, you know what I mean. I think I tiptoed around that, you know what I mean, for for whatever reasons, um, But I guess because I had love for Bro and I you know what I mean, I just didn't never want to take exactly like and still got so much love for bro um and yeah, it's just I just

ain't never want nothing like that. Ain't nothing like that will ever come between us, and no ships like you know what I mean. I see how people play games like that and try to would adoption and create issues and said that he could have took it personal exactly exactly. I'm gonna tell you what me always you know, that's what I love about me. Me in the beginning, was always a fan of me, would always pick me up.

You know what I'm saying, like, and that's the thing that I always appreciate about bron Didn't you always show a love. I'm gonna tell you a friend a problem that's your self perform And I'm not a psychiatrist, but my man for l sat in the same chair as you right like a couple of weeks ago right now last week said the same chair as you and y'all stuff too much humbleness. M hmm. I believe that in some cases it's too much humility, and it's like bust. The Ryans told me this a long time ago, But

what the funk you so humble for him? Like, because that's why I am. And he's like, yeah, but it's at times when it's not time to be humble, you're still there. And I never knew what he talked about. And I feel like that's I feel like, for for real suffering from me, for I couldn't even answer quick time or slides. But this is this is a segment where well just give you two answers he just give both both because he's trying to be too politically direct.

Sometimes you can't be to be too politically correct because if you're being too politically right, you say that all lives matter, and we know that all lives matter, but for right now, black lives motherfucking matter. So this is the reason why you know what I say, you can't. You know what I'm saying, You just can't be So, I mean, that's real, real ship to you know what

I'm saying. I would like I would like you to know that because like when I look like, they're like, you're the one of the most underrated, underappreciated, don't mcs like that's what I'm looking at. It's my jaw, you know what I'm saying. And there's people that love you, like there's a lyricist people, and you gotta claim them back. Bro, you gotta let the ball focus. Know. I'm out here, man,

you know what I'm saying. I'm out here. I'm alright, because it's not It's not like I went and watch your interviews and I look and there's not one person that can say ace Hood is not a doping See. I searched for it. I looked for them, you know what I mean. So you think that you was ever h a success from your own success, What I mean

is like you're almost battling yourself. You gotta single that went platinum, right Like, there's nothing you can go back in the major right now, there's nothing that the impact that Bugatti had. And at the time that was like like if we were talking about Tea paying earlier and God blessed, because I don't want te paying to take

this in any way shape for my fashion. But future, when future got lit, he could have said, pick up thinking that I was thinking that, I was thinking that, I was thinking I was thinking that, thinking I was thinking us and that the ship. After a while he was just and like but nobody could give him he was And when that ship no God, I mean, moly moly mo Like what was that feeling like? Man? That

ship was like, uh, it was like surreal, bro. First of all, she should did that ship in like fifteen minutes. I want the studio toge. And you know, Kalid master motivator, you know what I mean, Like he in there speech, he gave a speech. He gave you. The speech is over. Don't matter who you are. He gave you the speech like you're gonna you see to get in that bad And I love that because like that that made me stick to always a standard of just you gotta be

if not rewriting. You know what I'm saying that I know what that moment you heard the beat, you had your rhys already or no, no, no, I didn't have my rhymes already. So I walk in. It's just before I didn't Mike Will. Mike Will made it. So you walk into the here and to beat for the first time. I walk into here and to beat for the first time. I'm at the studio, pull up, yo, and I know them calls Yo, I'm at the studio where you were like you know what I mean, just no movie. I

beat that in a minute. Yeah you got super and yeah I got Okay, I beat it. I didn't he was I didn't know he was there. Cool. Yeah I met future before, so me and future so boom walk in the studio Future when we chop it up? Manki that we chop it up? So he and there he don't even play the music yet. And then he gave me the speech of all speeches, like, Yo, it's gonna be the biggest record ever. This ship is gonna be number one. This ship is gonna be They don't got

no lyrics on it, no lyrics. I think that it is powerful in terms of manifestation. That's why I like, you feel meal that shouldn't get you goose bump. I know it. Nothing's happy yet, I know it. You feel me. So in my mind, I'm just like, all right, play the b A should come on. I'm just like, oh, this ship it is that. I already knew what I was going Ill. Norm will come on there and I'm gonna deliver. He give me the tall Like, yo, this gotta be. You gotta write that, you gotta talk that

and your future. I need that. I need nothing but that legend there. I need that anthem. I need that big. I need that movie. I need that. I need that number one. I need that. That's what we're gonna feel me A lot of people who know this is hip hop dudes and baseball players. We do that. That's that's out of the part. Maybe that's to the audience. That's

that's to the audience, you know what I mean? Like that go ahead, boom so after that like future that he you know he played a beat, running back played again, Boom played again. He said, all ready, Bro, walk in the booth and he's just tampering with the ship. Bro. Eight seconds of that bitch, come on, come looking for you with Hey. I couldn't look at hold on, hold on back and then he did it again. He was like and then guy was like, Yo, stopped. It's like, Yo,

that's it, that's it, Yo. Keep that right there, don't stop like you know. So we moved forward. Boom okay cool. So future in there he's doing the ship alright, I got you. He did that ship, Bro, and it was like perfect, it was perfect, Bro. He did it, man, I know, and that ship Bro. And it was after that it was just like say lest you don't need to say nothing. And Bro just came out literally about fifteen minutes, and I was like, yeah that yeah, that

ship that's gonna go. I'm gonna keep it real. I went to scot Story see mm hmm. Man. I never kne where the until your record. I don't just thought that was a cool. I thought it was an autie suped up Bro. We didn't think it all the way through. Bro, I didn't think it. Bro. They kept telling me it's just two million ILLI know about Bugatti. When the Bugatti record hit, I went to everywhere I tried around the world. Nobody knew, That's what I'm trying to say. Nobody knew

around you in the same building. And I didn't really technically know that that was a two million dollar call. In my mind, I'm like, if I would have knew, we would have reached out the Bugatti or something on some real ship. Bro. People trying to say, you resout to Bugatti prior until you dropping the record, prior or thinking about today, and it was like yeah or something, because like so bro, people went out and bought more Bugatti's.

Once once people started to get familiar with the thing, you go out and buy more of them, and people start you started seeing them, right, oh, this person, that person, Like everybody started, why do you think things just happened became and like, you know what I'm saying, that's another thing of like I'm just happy to be a part of the conversation, man, you know what I'm saying, Like,

so what did you think? Like, because like when he's start with that, I lost my mind when he did that ship because he ain't expected because it was It was totally left from what the song was. He come in, I come looking and feel your way. You're what I'm saying, like, that's it crazy and you're going to the let's go we have and the drink and I'm what drinking? I'm drinking in the shop. But you all like god, you cant telling you sorry? Out of nowhere? How run the

boof Like I'm like, man, I'm gon want it. Let's be really curt a wrinkle. I won't call it a game. Both creek say what you want? You don't like I I'm looking with your way, I say injun, come no, guy, come listen. I've never seen like I went to a club so belod one time. One time. It's just one time that might tell your type of characters smell. I was like you, he might tell you let you know

with the guy. But when I go to one of my own means the guy guys he asked me for like on the bus, I said, no problem, they gave it to them day Z song. Come on, he'd be like, what's fifty grand to a nigg like me? Keep was he in this room? Kind of relax? What's you seeing like? People like that with the bo guys like like coming up to you like, oh yeah really but some of these guys really did have them. Yeah, some of them did. Yeah they did, Like a lot of them obviously didn't.

But like, you know, man, I had ICs coming up to me. I have bot, I got boodle, dude, like I put just something I got that, you know what I'm saying. So or just people who just you know what I mean, Like I love that record. It makes me feel so empowered, you know what I'm saying, Like and in the idea, So and I love that recommend because like I felt like my homies, I felt like it though my homie is gonna be proud of that

ship too. I gonna looking for you. I'm like, that's because it's really like it, you know, it's really really like that. So I don't know, I just I just love that. Um forget what I was gonna say, and

that should just hit crazy in the club. Yeah crazy yeah, but yeah, the idea behind the Bugatti waking up in the Bugatti, you know what I'm saying, Like because I didn't, right, but it's like, you know, it was just whatever was that thing that you felt like you worked hard for and to me, the Bugghatti represented that at that particular time. It's just that thing that I hope to have that hit, you know. It's like that gift that you know what

I'm saying. So that just that was like that that staff in the ground for me, you know what I'm saying, And like it could be anything. That could be that new whip, with that new career, with that new job that you got. Like, so that's how that was my perspective and the idea behind waking up in the guy. It's like if I wake up in that new house that I love that I bought, Like, I'm gonna feel that same way. Got legend Gary albums, but those two legend after those never gonna die, Like would be a

barbecue in Grandmothers. I'm saying, hustle, hustle, hustle, hustle, I don't do those records going ever never ever, never, Brover. How does it feel to have like most people can't ever have one? What we're gonna ever have none? You know? And then they're considered legends, but you're going the club, their music will never play, Like, how does it feel to have one? Ship? They feel good? Bro that ship is it's a blessing man, it's a blessing, bro. Like, I'm so grateful to be able to have a voice

of platform to like to speak to people down. So I just that ship is just beautiful. And we got more and it ain't just those. You know, we got top ten, top five records, you know what I mean. We got Chris Brown, what I'm saying, like, you know, we got we out chill with me and Wayne, you know what I'm saying. Like, So it's, um, we just

got a lot of great records. And I'm just that's why I'm trying to say, you're almost uh uh failure to your own success because they which want other people won't compare and those because those two are so impactful. It's just like never, like where do you go from there? I got superdut what what what? What? And I got Homeboy. I can't I don't matter what I could do whatever. I'm not gonna top though, Yeah, yeah, I don't give it for I can make a record right now fifty

times better than that. This fucking twenty fans from twenty years ago to say it ain't better than nothing, it ain't better than you know what I'm saying, Like yeah, what you gotta do with that, like no, yes and no. Okay. So the thing about that which is very interesting is that I got records now as an independent artist that people react to bigger and Bugatti on my sets, you know what I'm saying that we're talking about huge crowds, you know. So I don't really believe in that notion,

you know. I think I think because people like to think just because it may not be on or they may not hear it on the radio or anything like that, that it might not be having steam or it might not be doing this thing I've been in my section in the world and in my world like creating real magic.

You know what I'm saying through the streams, I'm grazing it through the through the streams, through the reactions, through the bookings, you know what I'm saying through uh, just the interest in terms of things that I'm involved in, Like you know, it's because of these records that's that's really moving to people and stuff like that. You know.

So for me, it's like, yeah, on one end of the spectrum, it's like people can want, people do want like those old to people like because me, I've understood that I'm no longer who I used to be, and I'm fine with that and I've made peace with that. You know, I'm I'm becoming. I'm a man now, I'm not just you know what I mean, Like, I'm I'm much more man. I'm a I'm a father, my husband,

what I'm saying. So, um, I understand that that's gonna be people that appreciate that that person you feel me like, and they're gonna be and that's cool. But also like there's gonna also be people that appreciate that new being

and that new person. So that's what's happening now. Like you got some people that might want to hear those records and think like oh, but then there's records that I could perform like a wee ball that I gout or something like that, like he's a pout, Like records that I just put real ship on, you know, and I performing and the ships do well. Let me ask you who's the Who's an artist that wanted to work

with you? And yea high like you never you never story like when it was Highlight you said, get you know what somebody that he was like wow that I was surprised that I worked with or they wanted to work with you. Maybe maybe he didn't work with them highlight Wow almost m made. Oh this is just the arm. That's a good question. I mean for me, from being honest, working with Wayne was crazy. Wasn't the one who said it? What might feel from telling me Jo, tell me what

kind of weed this is? Because this she gotta me highs Hell, I don't know what it is. Gas truck blowing it up. We might go backy in the bathroom. But Wayne, let's go to the bro. Wayne Bro, Wayne just the elliest nigger man. You just grew up, you know, inspired by Wayne Bro. You know, motivated a couple of records with the missed out like one. Yeah yeah, yeah, we gotta we out to join it. We got to hustle hard joining we gotta. I think we need like

another record too, yeah yeah. But working with him, man, it was just like to me that had been like the biggest dream come true. Obviously growing up on him and you know what we're from, Carter one was everything. You know what I'm saying. Carter one was like the narrative to my whole high school, my whole young young teenage days. You did so um to being are working with him, man, just just skating. He's skating and righting in his mind, you feel me? And uh right, he

did that same right m hit factory. So we hit factory and he you know, he's skating back and forth and we just you know, had a little small conversation, told the idea of the record and what we wanted to do, but just watching him create. Man, I just was excited to be in his presence at that moment, at that time. What I'm saying, like, um, and to see like that I did that on my own, you

know what I'm saying. Like I was in the do load, like chilling all day with him, just watching but doing ship waiting on the record, alright cool when he didn't finished it the night, so I'm I'm not gonna have to marrow cool. So you know I pulled back up the next day and I'm right there again. You feel what I'm saying, Like he really didn't and he was like on some like some big broth ship forever. So let's do. Let's make some look at that. That's an

artist who's fucking with you in your highlights. Got even Cash heard you say this in an interview the brother talk. I'm saying your brother industry ship. Now you on your own, not the favorite, not for we the best, not the favorite, not for cash money, right solely ace. Come on, come on, somebody, how do you think that made me feel? Bro? When you think about that, because on some real ship, bro, before we get okay, who's keep it real? Like this shot?

Take the shot? Shot? Want to keep? Yeah? Who's an artist? We call and you were like, man, what's up? Bro? Man? I need to add to the nurse And they're like, I'm in on Australia for two months, Like skip over there?

Who's that? You? Was like, you're disappointed? Maybe, yeah, I'm just you know what, let me say, ma, I move so different or you know what I'm saying like that's the only thing about that, But that's what I'm saying, moving different, because it's one thing when you would cash money, you would, you would, you would, and then when you're on your own, it's really like, maybe what you mean someone treated differently? Someone somebody treat me? Yeah, yeah, somebody

treated you. Somebody would treated me. Disappointed you Uh yeah, bro, Yeah, not to the level of disappointed, because I felt like it was expected, but for sure I think it's the relationships with people that I had. They weren't the same, you know what I'm saying. Like a lot of the relations and ships were recommendations to me, you know what I mean. So I had to get rid of lawyers and all type of ship because it was recommended. It was in house type ship, you know what I'm saying.

So it was like, you know, I had an identity, So it's like I had to create a whole another identity outside of that. That's what that was. The different thing about me is that coming outside of we the best was like, Okay, y'all know me for that, But I'm a new I'm a new being outside of this thing. I got to create a new met Because I want you to keep it right, Who's art is that you

worked with? When when you that you wanted to work with now and you can't get a hold of if somebody got there, Chris Chris yaw are you gonna ask him? And but this was not like it's not the most but but it ain't the most like recent thing, but it was like a record, you know, right, It was a record that actually a smash record. And I still haven't I hadn't released it, but it was like, uh, I thought about three or four years ago I was trying to put out but I just for some reason

couldn't get in contact with him. But through the grape vine, I just heard that there might be uh a little bit of discomfort from that end situation that I wasn't fully aware of. Spicking side not so much of that is it was an incident that happened years ago of him wanted me to be a part of a record of just by hearsay that he wanted me to be a part of a record and thought that like I didn't you know, and I never came through to do the record. I wasn't interested in doing the record. That

that's never true. That's why around everything, I think you like he was on a toy or something like that, Like I just could for some reason energetically, it just felt like I couldn't reach him in some way, you know what I mean. I'm like hitting him on the d M type ship like no response type, you know what I mean, like that type of field. So uh rightfully, so I could have went deeper, you know what I mean?

And holiday, you know, I feel like a highlight the people around him and all and they you know what I mean, like, you know, people give you the little run around type. Yeah, hit him through the you know, and make sure, you know, tap into the type ship. So it was like one of those as opposed to just you as man's you can just tell him you feel me. So it was the little little things like that that I started noticing or whatever. Um, but that's probably like the most recent you know, the only thing

that's happened, not the most recently. The only thing is to meet a lot of artists from me and I work with a lot of people too, So coming coming out of it, I wouldn't really try. I wouldn't really a shot. Like, look, I don't know, people, come on, man, please running on me. I just episodes. I probably said it already, so like you know what I mean, Like I mean, I just want you to tell your story. Man,

I really do I feel you. I feel you. But it wasn't all right, okay, okay, alrite I write boom boom. If we're keeping it G and we're keeping honest, you know, I mean, I know he said that. So if we if we're being honest, bro, if we're keeping the G, you know that was you know, bro, like that was like weird energy coming from the other side, you know, like that was real people trying to stop me from prosper prospering on the side of like my old label

on some g ship. I ain't gonna say names or whatever, but me trying to like you know, I'm paying for radio and me trying to put my record through on radio, getting his service thro radio, Like then he's trying to undercut me beginning like yeah, I felt like not even felt that's that's what we're happening that ship, that's what we're popping. You were trying to like finish me for real.

That's how I felt. That's how I took it personally, And that was that was my energy, you know what I'm saying, Like I was on that type of ship of just like because that's what it is. That's what niggas do, like you know, and um, it's like anything. And it's like when you're trying to create some ship for yourself, like why I gotta be a problem, you know what I'm saying, Like and and for me, I got I had an issue with that, bro, Like I don't don't stop me if you gonna stop me from

trying to feed my family. I gotta issue. That means you can't really exist the way you want to exist. If I can't, if I can't feed my family, that's gonna be a problem for people, you know what I'm saying. So for me, once it start, once that started happening, like I got into that mode, and that's when she started moving and people started kind of the fall back, and you know, ship started to move a little bit faster with some shirts, certain ships. So but I I

want with that ship, bro, I went with that. You feel me. I'm gonna tell you one time about artists, particularly man Solo hit me just now. He hits you right now, the artist like get that. But once one time you know I'm cold, hm, but you know I'm in all right, So I want to do a record with Big Sean. This when you're living in Kendall already I'm already left kindle Okay, by the way, Eddie lives with me, him and Script TV. They go walk my

draws and but let me just I'm good good. But and maybe I maybe I went through the wrong people to go to Big Sean, because because when I've seen him later on in life. He acted like he really didn't understand. But I'm I'm cold and ship, but I'm still norry. I feel like, yo, who I am? So I can't reach him direct. I see him in a Shawan Chris Concers Shawan Chris concert. Forget who else has Big Sean is on there? I think while is on there? So I said new Jersey, New Jersey for me, that's

Robard County for Miami. They go, oh, it's all day at it got it next joint. Oh, So I pulled up. I see him myself. I give Big Sean the CD, but I get it. You're coming off stage. You know, whoop the whoop. But what happened was I hit a guy named Mike Brinkley. I remember it because I remember everybody in front of me. I'll give you that. Mike Bringer he works in rock Nation right now. He knows he cannot destroy this story. I'm following over Mike Bribbley.

I followed uver Myke Briley used to cut here. He's just a barber. He still he used to beat nas barbera and then I think at one point he is my brober. So I'm like, damn, you go from the barber to Big Shaws managing, you're not even answering my call like this is real. So bottom line, I never got the record through with Big Sean. I never got a response. I never got an answer back, never got nothing right to me. That's this respect. Yeah, it's it's

big time. That's justpect right. You a little shop this so this shop and disrespect and come on, bro, like like I done. I don't got no problem with Big Sean. But I'm gonna tell you what happened one day like tho's exactly that we outside as we usually be. Shawn sees us in town, walks up to me since y'all I'm a big fan, says, no, you're not. I'm a lying. Even my wife with them me like what are you doing? Like I was like, no, you're not. Like this is

now drift chances work. This is a different thing. Let's said he wanted to get a drink chance or nothing. But Bro, I came to you. I brough to your people's. Now I'm gonna blame his people's more than I'm gonna blame that because I can tell from his reaction he was not prepared. He did not know about all these calls I'm an artist too, but he remembered that c handle. There's no way you don't remember me handing you that scene. That's the reason why I didn't connect with the five connected.

You never connected. Oh I'm sorry, I don't know if this is a private instant, that's a real ship blowing up. I apologize that I'm a fan of that, like I don't want to do a song too. That's I'm a fan of you, so obviously I'm a fan of I'm nothing's gonna take away from me being a fan of you as an artist. But I thought has his reaction. I wasn't a fan of him as a person. You understand, it's a shot. Let's take a shot. But that looses you up because God bless, God bless and I want

to you know, here's a disclaimer. He's a disclaim right that comes with that exact right. Bad. Maybe that incident not him, because you know he's great. He doesn't give a was I kid one way or another? And I you know it's doesn't really I'm sure he does care to be honest with you. I don't think so. I don't think so. I don't mean I would hope for who he is now who he is, you know, God bless him. Man, You know, I really am because sometimes

the team does get in the way. I feel like he was the team because of Christ and I should have. I should have, I should have you know, but you didn't hand him the CD. No, I did have him to see at this, at this wisdems crazy, let's big up the limit. He called him and reached out in right, you know, his team. But that's how I do. I

like what I'm saying, like you his direct team. That's the reason why, this is the reason why he knew I want when I said, because I don't don't remember what's gonna happen tomorrow, like I'm you know, when I said Mike Brinkley, and he looked, he put his head down like whoa. It's either he remembered that time that he was dealing with Mike Brinkley or he remembered that might Brinkley reached out. So it's either I don't I can't.

But bottom line, well, as I got fronted on and I couldn't wait wait wait that incident stopped you from front on the next person. Na. I'll judge every character, but I don't think let me just be clear, because we made this about him, but I don't think he's a bad person. I think it was a bad decision made about both of us and it and it had to be. But would that make me front of somebody else? I don't. I don't let me clarify this question, sir.

I'm wondering, like, have you ever felt that you might have done that to somebody else? Yeah? Yeah, so you were mixed by mistake though it's been clearly But me personally, my son, a person names him, I would be like, yo, did my bad, especially if I'm a fan of the person, because that's what he came up to me and said that. He would have said, Yo, what's something I'm doing? Good

to meet you? I would have gave my five and I said, I don't think it's good to meet me before you know what I'm like, and I would have remembered you know what I mean. But he didn't say that. He said, Yo, it's up, bro, I'm a big fan, and I was like, no, you are not, which I can't expect that too loud. I just say there. I said it enough for my knicks to be like, what

the fund is he doing? But they just say, it's like, man that forever side, I'm want to do what we couldn't do, And his security looked like what like it was. It was weird because it's twenty six of us clearly it's twenties. The securities him and two securities. No, no, no, no, I just expect. I'm just I'm not. And it wasn't no beef sh it at all. It wasn't no beef.

It was just like, yo, bro, So I'm just saying, you had to go through something after at a little bit of we bat like you wanted to make a new not when no artists, bro, not with no artists, because I had to recreate myself. I needed people to see me in in a in a different like on my own, you know what I mean, and get used to what that looked like. You know what I'm saying, like, and I think that's so it's just me. It was just thin I'm saying. I'm like I did like like

but it was like I don't. I don't had the opportunity in the platform to do so many features and I'm so grateful that, like, because the talk back then was just like, oh, you can't do you can't make it head without the feature. That's the stigmas that looked over that orse they trying to but I don't pay you know, I know I do me and I know him to get down when it's trying to get down whatever.

So so for me, like that's what it was. I'm just like, man, I need to like people to see me in a different light because I'm a different being with a different person and more elevated and more leveled up. So I'm like, people need to understand who this person is now. That way they can learn and learn to understand the individual, and then we're gonna pay it back the features, like we're doing present moment. You see what

I'm saying. Feel like your early career was built off of you with somebody else because you got cold creating these records and creating these moments. I said, no, no, I know, but I just want to go back to it. And just like, because this is a big gym for artists, like for you to recreate yourself on your own without any features, Like how difficult did you feel that was? I feel like that's humbling because you're ego would tell

you the feature didn't matter. That's what that's what I'm actually in a different way that he said no artist front and that's what I was saying. I gonna say it like yeah, just because after that point, I didn't reach out to no big artist. I just reached out to the people that had relationships with or that you know what I'm saying, Like that was only is so I kind of stayed in a certain lane. I didn't really try to go above that type of thing, you know. So it's like and I went into that, I went

into it with expectation. If I did go I would know in my mind, alright, what they may charge me or what they so, you know, because I had to put on the business pad again, I'm rebuilt it at this point. I'm learning business, you know, I'm learning finances. I'm learning, you know, just about myself, who in my outside of music, who outside of ace hood, Like I'm learning my I'm learning how to be a man for

real all of Again. I feel like I was coming from a world that allowed me to be a child, that allowed me to you know, not take responsibility of some of my choices and decisions and just like allow it to fall through the crack, you know what I mean. Like allowed me to or a little bit with I r S. I allowed me, you know what I'm saying, just that little ship right there. And it's like I had to big switch all that over and find healthy pieces,

healthy pieces around me that's gonna help me flourish. And it's like now that I've built that, that that infrastructure is like, that's what's helped me sustain, you know, during my independent journey. So and that's was a part of my recreation. It was everything outside of the music, my accounting, you know what I'm saying, finding a new pr you know what I'm saying, which you're still music, but finding a good manager, you know what I'm saying, Finding a

good business manager. You know what I'm saying, Like you gotta handle your business. I had to put on that hat, which was scary as fun because it's like Nigga, I came from where I had a bunch of people around doing everything. Ain't have to do nothing. My homie, he

gonna handle that, he gonna do that. I got a problem, my dog that I knew what it called, Like I gotta do it leaves me and my hands are free, like now with changes to where on my table like, so I ain't reach out to know other artists cause I'm like, I ain't gonna pay you niggas that first of all, because I'm independent and ship different, you know what I'm saying. So, but I ain't had no body to the front of me like that. I'm gonna smoke that ship, drink, hold on, hold on, you gotta stay

here for this one happen to have. So I'm sorry, this is this is you know, this is yours? Because so what is your? What do you like? Oh? Jeeus? You want our opinions first before you asser this? Yes, I do. I just say that being independent, you control you own. There's a better legacy there, I feel. And then major no explanations really like would you like more independence or it's never true independence. I prefer a team you know, um connection with destro He did what I'm saying.

But in terms of everything, I like independence. Why because I like ownership. I like owning my master's I like owning my ship. I like owning my publishing. I like owning all my rights and ship. I like getting the largest, the larger percentage of my business splits for my royal. Yeah, my family were from the crack one you feel me, But I mean, God is good man. But I prefer independent because right like, I'm the happiest I've ever been

whirled because I'm free. Nobody owned me, nobody, nothing I got, I got my mom scra got to do. I don't want for them good and I can you know what I mean, I constructure my ship to fit the major's a little bit. You could be on a major and they don't own you, bro like, I mean, that's very rare. That depends on how you come into the major that

you have to come in, don't you know what. I came into a low level and we had what was called the Grandfather deal at the end, and that was beautiful for me, but they could not do certain things to me. Grandfather deal is so I just, I just I just want to explain. But that ever matters too, that's a different era. I don't Okay, Okay, maybe you have a point there. Let me not argue with that there.

And but let me just tell you something. There is a way to be on the major's and still there's nothing wrong with being on Have all your integrity have I have? I have? I'm not saying it takes away integrity I mean it does. I'm just saying, if you like to be independent, like you said, oh everything, make your own decisions, steer your own ship. But when you're on a major, you got execs you gotta talk to,

you gotta. They're gonna handle how you market yourself, how you promoted, when it comes out, how it comes out, and then you're gonna own them like a bank, like you gotta owe them money. That's all alone. And that's the difference of the area because in that era there was so much money in the industry, but they would wash those loans. All right, Cool, don't worry, you don't expect anymore, and we'll bring you into time though. All right,

all right, COOLi cool, you gotta relax them. But no, no, sty were here, stay right here, stay right here, stay right No, no, this is a difference, right alright. After you learned the business, you've satisfied with the record label, you do it. It's like it's like, here's the part where I wish you would have said either leaving Depth Cam or leaving Universe. When your contract is void. You could have said, I want to stay with Universal, right, or I want to stay with Death Jam. There as

long as death. Jam is with that that wouldn't have happened, though it was why I wouldn't have happened. I would like to I would imagine everything you're saying about the black balling, It wouldn't have happened. That's what I'm imagining, right, because to me, it's like, but it can I've done that, can't hand had So you're saying specifically right right right the people two many people in the building. Yes, yes, exactly, yeah and just but but I'm telling you that it

did happen because I did that with my situation. You understand saying I did that in my situation where it was like a cool, you're unique, bro, you were signed the Rocketfeller without being signed the Rocketfeller. Come on it, so you're not the only guy that was on a major that that was. I think it's not that you're not you You really you're taking what I'm saying and

going in a different day. Have the independent approach to Look, I mean it's look, man, I think that I'm not opposed you feel me to to rocking with a major label. I think it all depends on like it's just what we can agree to. You know what I mean, like, what you're willing to get, what you're willing to be flexible with. It's all about a deal. To me, it's

all with the within the guidelines of the contract. It could be major, it could be anything like if if it's the right team, it's the right situation, like I feel like, yeah, I'm gonna go with it. But it's you know, it's a lot determining. That's that type of thing. When I'm when I'm really getting your perfect right now, everybody is like a little Wayne just sold as masters for a hundred man. It's publishing, wasn't it. It's the Masters of his It's not even him. He's selling like

I think his Nicki Mina. It's not even him. And you know, these are the focused people in the world said disguise signing for I mean, nobody should go in the ship they don't really know about you know what. It's like. It's like it's like I would never do that. I would not because if I'm in that situation, but you've never been in that situation, you can't really say that. You know what I'm saying that absolutely it's like for us to zoom the funk out. That's it. I'm gonna

take independent on bomb back room break like that. It's just in case. You gotta be nice. Yeah, we gotta. You have got your got your kid, I got your Yeah, I expect that. Baby. It's just a feeling. This feeling this cut knock cut. It was some babbaco, this fool. This is this is how forget this is you want mama waa you want Mama wants you want a little game that you want. He wants the Jeffrey how you want to Jeffery? No, no, no, let's not just the

poses state. They're tost tiger ball. But it's for the bid to give Republic and Pitbulls Pitbull Company to step in tager balls. If get me, you do get you, You got your cup for you. Keep keep feeling, keep up. This is mama wanna mama wana, Mama wana holda wanna hold on that. Yeah, that's need was sweet to Bama, was sweet to take takes it. So what does it need? Ye? All one? I was expected spect you're good, damn you're good.

Good get my fee? Yeah, this is days yes s S. I like I know you my whole life telling you like yeah there you want to ask you is that for this form for you, because um, I watched a couple of interviews where you like, man, it's the most comfortable when you're Bet said, y'all we change, or with Julie if I have to be, if I have to, But what do you feel like that was like your image as a wrapper at one point, like just you have to like always have actual god they or actually

have these certain things and look. So it was was that, Oh yeah, for sure, I felt like I felt like it was times bro, where I put like my my identity of who I who I was was in the things that I had, what I'm saying, like you know, I feel like or the relationships and that I had as well, you know what I'm saying, it's all ego shipped for me. So yeah, I wanted to do right and it's like not even knowing why you really want to rock that ship a where it is just because

everyone else that's what everybody else doing. So for me, it was just like, man, I need to you know, I need to find myself Who am I outside of that that simple question, bro, like who are you outside of that? You know? And that was the search in the quest that I was on, which is why I

did the independence. When I got independent, I started my first project with trust the Process because I ain't want to know what the fun was gonna happen during or just what's gonna happen to generally people Philly start saying, you got that from Philly, right, and you didn't even know that. I don't even know it. No, I'm I watched basketball a little bit, but I'm a football head.

What I'm saying, like, that's my field. But I did become familiar with it, and I think, like, great, we all inspired, Like you know what I'm saying, like so, and I like what they got going on in Philly to ship with that trust the Process, that's the same ship. Yeah, yeah, I thought it was different. I thought that was building process and you also stressed the process problems. I don't know, but yeah, exactly. Yeah. You know, I like him slogan

even with like hustle hard. I like the same old ship. It's a different day, you know, that slogan being around forever. But I like phrases like you know a man have problem for the hustle hard because he got a hustle hard company. You know, you know what I think at one point during when that song kind of came out.

It wasn't like smoke, But I think that was like a conversation that needed to you know what I'm saying, Like, but I fun with main no man on my dog an man, no good people like you know, um but yeah, like no, I wouldn't really like no smoke smoke over that and no, no, no real issue anything. But she was always loved. Yeah, bro makes some look to that. Yeah, secretly hiding over this and chicken. Yeah that's awsomely oose are my tests? Oh yeah, it's my COVID tests. Jesus

on the COVID tests over there? You got? Was that public chick? You know? Public? You're taking the shout of respect that I don't. Yeah, yeah, I go. Are you ready? You gotta pick one, you know, but that the two you're ready, I'm ready, Bud that it one? Mm hmm. Ross a trick Ross Trio or nicky nick training, Jesus training, I'm sorry training, Okay, I'd like how you clean that up? And to clean it up? Yeah, you can go to the like like the clean up, put your teeth pain,

you know whatever. God keep paying brout to day brought Drake away, but let's go back to day man. Yeah, they gotta keep it real. I said, we want we want drinking Wayne, alright, cool, Nasa Jack, Oh, Nasa. We'll be trapped or G five G five. I heard about Booby that Yeah, I heard about Booby. But the track affiliates over here. Yeah, like we're cool. We just booby trapped lest But they go at nighttime. We go we day time dudes, we go to the midg is working.

We're going different, We're going through hours. You know what I'm saying. All Right, Yeah, Okay, we're the best on cash money, were the best? Okay? Rolex k o D Strip Club ko D. There's a different time frames, man, had this run early Rolex and all them all still ko D ko D was you know, let's come pre ko D. Yeah what Rolex? Take one? Rolex Okay, Kodak blackboard, n Sell Curry, that's a rough one, Wow, Koda. Loyalty or respect? Respect? I respect? Holy movie, Rock movie. We

all remember old guys. This feels good. This isn't it? You know, I'm always happy when you stop Floridas in the building. Yeah, he's definitely like if there was like a pro city word for like like being like pro to this like a process this, this this your pro saate state this this because are you for the whole Florida? Just like just know if you I'm gonna rep all of Florida, but I'm gonna be specifically South Florida. But if you're from Florida, then you already that's that's fam.

You got a range right there. You turn busines marketing from Floridas killing Mike oh ship, that's all shout out a bus markets. So is that advantage being from the South or is it disadvantage advantage bro, advantage bro that energy, that swag like that like it ain't no where else in the world. Everybody's trying to recreate it. Everybody. We're being honest, Um, you know everybody wants that sudden touch acts.

You know, Jenna, they I'll let everybody want you know, it won't catch the vibes being on the South, that South man, that ship slang food, the energy you saying, no, I exercise it though, m So you eat you still eat Southern food? Not really no, my favorite food right now right now, I'm getting you hard. I want you to finish the smoke jam. That's only the finest herbs on earth. You know, what is this? What do we smoke? I'm just Gas trow that's not super Tello g No,

this is no. This is your ship whatever your ship? Yeah, Gas soon to be fishing mute about Cherry so good he didn't even know. Sooner be distributed about CHERRYO with the s R S my group because because you don't smoke on right, you don't do that. Yeah yeah, yeah, but you're back with switching. I'm a backward all right man. Yeah, bro dom switches crazy. I don't like I think y'all's like superheroes who can smoke the swishes. That's what I think. I love this shot. It's okay, I love I can

take it. Man. I started off smoking the switches, you know, because that's what they was on the Purple Switches. Was the was the vibe and tell them she just was destroying my throat. I'm like, just my whole vibe was harsh. That ship was crazy. I'm like, no, I can never drop with you, not not. But what's the happiest moment of your whole I mean, besides your kids and your marriage because we're gonna go there too. You know what.

I mean, I mean, what was that one time he was like, man, this is this is this is me? Like you know, I let me shut up that one time where it's like this is me. Oh, this is not not this is me, but like I have a rived belong Oh it's a good question, man. I feel like I felt like that when the Hustle Hard record dropped. It's like I belonged. I felt like that was a

solidifying record. But I think like to find my footing in the independence world to keep it honest, bro, because I feel like I recently had that feeling of where it's like, you know, like this is where I belong, Like this is what I need to be doing, Like this is what I need to be saying right now, like you know what I'm saying, Like I feel like I'm in the right Like just you know when you feel like the universe is a line of things in your life and it's like holy ship, Like it's like

that's where I'm like, you know what I'm saying. So it's like when just my independence represents that, man off, just like this's what I need to be doing because I can do it, and I can do it from

the Independence perspective. I thought that I put all my faith and all my energy and all my identity and into that whole idea of being a part of a major label and a part of that I thought, like, you know, I couldn't do it like oh am I without that ship and to be who I am in the independent world, like still thriving and still relevant in this world. I'm like, that's why I need to be.

I knew I was built for this ship, bro. And I agree with you, right God, you gotta give me a moment where you would like with that, with that platinum racket and you have to feel like you belong. You're telling me, you're telling me what these big records, in these platinum records, you're in these parties and you're feeling like you didn't belong like you you felt like what what does that? What does that yourself? For me?

Because I'm saying like like like it's certain times in my career, Well, I'll go to a party and that's my party. Good m my ship. Yeah, you ain't never like I feel like that. I feel okay, So for that, like I'm going anywhere for this The BT Awards, bro Okay BT Awards where I felt like that you feel what I'm saying, Like, because just the note right, So Hustle Heart was a mixtape record, right, it wasn't even

an album record. Yeah, it was just a record, Like I created that, the crib put that BET on the mix tape, and then once the city got a hold to it, like they want to call and phone back and back like yo, so they called yo, E class hit him like yo, you know I pick a beat to this. By the way, I don't know if I'm that guy ever, I don't know who forever. So so damn where was that? What was that? Was? Thank you my brother? B two awards right, so I'm like, so

boom B two awards. Bro. It's the moment where I felt like, because Hustle Hart was a mixtape record or whatever, this is a record that you know it weren't no label help, But these were my ideas. This is my voice, this is my writing, like, this is my penmanship, you know what I mean. We want to perform this ship at the BET Awards, bro, Like that's massive where I

come from. You did, like, and I'm the first artist from my city, you know, full disclosure, I'm the first artist from Broward County, Broward County, Florida, from the county you claim the whole county first, Rowert County, Florida. I am. I am the original. I am the first. I am the pioneer. That's a fact. That's a fact. It just just to be honest with you, not to say that there wasn't. I can speak for me, I can't speak

for the others. I'm speaking about my pioneer, what I did, what I contributed to what I yea yeah, yeah, I mean, I'm just saying there was from house, not not records like that, breaking records like you was doing. I'm just saying there was. Just but you know that we all all people, we are all doing something on someone else's back, and we got to understand that it was about Brown County and I'm talking about Brownder County. Well, who back would I have done it on at that particular time.

I'm just saying just artists that have been doing it, like since maybe even the eighties, even people I don't even know about. I'm from early nineties era that I'm talking that I'm thinking about. Okay, okay, for securit legends from me. Yeah, but I'll respect that yeah, because I'm just saying there there was people they're doing it, repping repping the county when it wasn't cool at all. Absolutely, absolutely, absolutely, But let's let me say that I'm one of the

pioneers of the city. You know what I'm saying, like forshure for short, like in terms of taking it away, that's what I'm saying. That's that's That's all I mean. And it feels, you know, and then a lot comes with that, and then like it's a beautiful feeling because being the first one you cit ain't always the greatest, you know who you think gonna get the most energy and the most like towards because it's like, wait a minute,

what the you know? Um, but it was just a beautiful feeling man to be on stage you know, at the BT Awards had Rawster, you know what I'm saying, performing live, he huge, He got all these great records and stuff and uh, you know tune at that time, he already huge. And then Cat I just felt like just us doing that together and for this to be a record that I orchestrated made me feel affirmed, you know what I'm saying as a man, bro and I think that like that is important. So I feel like

I was solidified and locked in at that moment. I felt like the city was proud and Homies was proud. You know what I'm saying, Like like hustle hard Man performance, you feel me like I felt like at that particular time, I'm like, yeah, it's just it right here, and from there we just went on to create more. But that was definitely an amazing moment for me. Tho crazy moment.

Now you ever thought like because at the time right like a little way it was the hottest thing everywhere people compart at some time, but not really it was it was both dogs can take of your shirts, guy, abs, and you just think about it, like you can see how people will get yes on the South. Yeah, I mean like they definitely would do some comparison for sure to anybody who Yeah, like you know what I'm saying.

And that's why I never liked tattooed my entire body to keep it gal It's facts, Bro, because I knew like I knew it, I knew it was always I knew it was already a close comparison between me and Bro. So I was like, uh, I can't do all of that, plus I'm trying to get into acting and all that other stuff like this is when I was young. I made this decision. So I got my mom because I

was going crazy at that time. So, um, that's why I don't do that, because I'm like, I ain't trying to be another Reppler, because like you, I am myself and I'm glad I did it. You have faced, but I would have had all probably not face tat. I probably would have had it up to the neck, the whole, like the whole. Look for sure. Yeah, you have with lean in that moment, because yeah, it was just I don't think was that big out here. It wasn't in

your community. I'm talking about out here in Florida, Yes it was. I'm not that big. Just being honest, like you competing upon what you're comparing it to. If you're comparing it to what CALLI compared to Texas, I'm sorry New Orleans, Yeah, comparing it to Yeah, it was nothing here. If you're comparing it to Texas, Yeah was out here. Everything is sucking in Miami and Briar, every South was everything.

It wasn't that big career, like exactly, you didn't even know what you're taking you you know, but if that ship popular in one part of the world, is active in every every it's always like that, you know, that ship. So if it's like the weed popping in Kalid and you know every place else is gonna be active with the weed, it's like they got you know what I'm saying.

So like we was active down here with it, but not like you know, Houston, but being that that ship was so heavily and influencing it and we're talking about it so much, like you know, it was accessible. So I had me a few bottles and ship did my thing with that. What made you say that's not you? The tiredness and ship bro the after effect, like how long you would sleep, how tired you would be, like you'd being I feel like you're a genius. Don't own it,

you know what I'm saying. When you want when you're taking the vibe and you you know, the first like I always like to look so like you know, you get your mixed drop a little, you know, jolly ranches in there. You're dropping jolly ranges in there. I'm dropping jolly ranches in there. You know what I'm saying. I gotta sprite vibe, you know what I mean, I'm already sprite, jolly rang a little sweet, definitely little sweet. Yeah yeah, all right as hell. Yeah. So you you know, you

drop some of that in there. I want a heavy dust and you know I own experiment like that. I ain't just a wild nigger. I've never been at which I'm glad. So you know, experiment with a proper amount, and then you catch the vibe and then as time go on, you kind of build on that energy, you know, so um as I would build on that energy, like you would start to feel like a little slower to wait in some way because you know you're smoking too.

And then they creates the balance for you. And when they creates the balance for you, like for you know, you're in the studio, man, I'm knocking out eight nine records, you know what I'm saying, Like, I'm just not sleepy. I'm going though, because it's not an oval, you know what I mean, it's not a heavy dose. It's not to where I'm just sluggish because you're controlling the dough

right right. I'm just trying to get a balance of just like boom, I got this vibe and I'm parent and with the smokes, so it's gonna give me an even balance. That's how my mind works. Should be weird. But I'm telling you whether the ship create a fire balance, so I'd be in that ship, like with the sauce New Buggatti was on that sauce. What's around Buggatti time? Yeah, it was a round Buggatti time. It's around by Yeah,

And uh, what's your favorite part of the game. You're performing the record, performing that motherfucker bro exactly, you know, performing for sure. Uh. But if I got to be honest though, I think like making the record, making the record gotta be you know, because it's like, you know, it's always like the predetermination of what's gonna happen when the record dropped. You feel me, it's always like, oh, they're just gonna suck them up. They're gonna chant this.

I know it. Like I know, I know for a fact, like when I say same old ship, just a different day, I know everybody can relate to that. You're gonna say this over and over. I know they're gonna repeat that and then to create the record and then to go out and perform it and hit him to say pull it be back in the magic amount of historic that my little crowd voice like, it's active, man, it's active. So I like the creation part of it for sure, because I like to see what's gonna become of that.

I like that. Never've been wrong about a record where you like, this record never worked, just oh and it works or vice versa. Mm hmm na. Bro. From being honest, I knew what would work and what wouldn't work. From being completely honest, bro, like, I knew records that I would create, and I knew they would be like, Okay, this record works for this particular like you know, these particular people that might listen to it. You know what

I'm saying. It might be a record that might be talking about the worldly events and the government of what's happening, like it's gonna do that, it's gonna do this thing and this, you know what I mean. So I measured

my expectations. So it's like if I'm creating a radio hit, that's different, you know what I'm saying, Like for short records that I thought was gonna do better than you know what I mean, Like, didn't do that great that I thought was like, fuck, I got a record that's entitled I know how it feels with a type dollar sign. It's a smash radio record, but it didn't do what I thought it. I'm like, damn this record. Was it the fault of the record or because it didn't have

the radio push? Because it didn't have the radio push, so couldn't. It's not necessarily that you were wrong. It's just you didn't have maybe the tools that were needed to right exactly, which was part of my situation and reason to like departure and move on because that was, you know, m so right now, how was a new artist that you like? You would like the word baby baby, little baby? I like that little nigger man. Sorry, I always kind of thing twice yeah, because it's too right.

There's three babies actually, y'all star up. Yeah, that's real sath Yeah he said a little baby, little babies. The one South Carolina. No, no, no, he went from Atlanta. Little baby. That's a little big baby. Yeah. But I like the baby ship too, though. I like I thought with the baby, but but I what the n G M O. And I like little baby. I thought just the baby was from South Carolina. He used to wear the Pampa North Carolina. They used to wear the father.

The baby is from North Carolina, right, so you said, and then you said a little baby, little baby from Atlanta, right, So the baby is the babies but North Carolina, North Carolina. He's little babies Atlanta day. He was here, he killed that, he wore it. He didn't play around with that and to be who he is. He's that little baby, but l with the dress. They just had a party. They gave Gotti at him all type of q q q C. Yeah, yeah, Tom gave his birthday part. I said, yeah, I get

my life togea bird day party. Was crazy, Yeah, was crazy. Yeah. So it's the baby, and that's a little baby. That's a little baby, right, a little baby, right, just yeah, like a little baby. I've seen him in the World Over Story by himself walking around with two thousand. I was worth a jury on the plastic bag. His security was outside and on, but he walked around by himself like the bag. You know, his jury like ad it in a plastic bag. I'm walking around my kids getting breakfast.

The Wall Over the story. Remember, so I'm going from like the regular people entrance to my actual room. He's coming from the actual room. So we look I've seen each other Boom I like to do to tell he's a m hmm street with it. Yeah, security, but they was outside. I like that in it, like they even moved on their own and their own problems. On your own, you know what I mean, that's the type of guy in they you rolled up by yourself. That's the second time,

I think, right, No, third time. They wouldn't expect you to do that. That's the third time it's happened. People wrote a drink chapter by themselves. Okay, I mean that I remember so pitbo recently. People weird. What do you mean he walked weird people like people, I don't know what. Yeah, that's my dog. And then at fifty in a little hey, he originally came by himself. I know, people followed. No, he was by himself. We used to do drink little and he pulled up the driver. I think if he

had a driver, it was a driver. He walked into the spot by himself. This is absolutely who had to drive it. I think even has security. He told security relaxed and the driver relaxed, and he walked in by himself. And I was so honored an' so, I mean, I'm sure you was, But I was so honored that, you know, you know, a star like hip hop, trust trust us

because we were let happen like it doesn't matter. It's the safer anybody is around this one like where we set up and reason Miami boys, because I've been living out here in fourteen years, somewhat think Miami claimed me and I claimed Miami. Uh God damnit, Florida, God damn, let's make some nor if you got to make some little thing and I'm not gonna lie, make some noise LA claim that's crazy. It's crazy. He's still living laridae. Okay,

you moved to Atlanta. I thought just to really really you know, nice beautiful place and uh that's my city and uh I love it here. Man. I lived in californ A little bit. You know what I'm saying. I was going back and yeah, yeah, part of Cali um was that I had was it l a though it was l A It wasn't l A, Yes, it was l a. Um. What's what's the what's the beach out in Cali? Santa Monica, Santa Monica Beach? Because I lived by Santa Monica Beach. That's where I was. Yeah, yeah, yeah, okay, okay, okay.

Definitely lived by that area though, but it was like a very nice area, man, like good vibes out there, and stayed out there and recorded some projects. Um. I mean I was kind of coming back to see my family, see my kids and stuff. So um yeah, man, But I love living out here in Florida. I do't at some point though, I get another space somewhere else, but I always have like my main crib in Florida. It's just ain't nothing like nothing like the crib. Bro. You're married.

You're married Mary like me. That's another version of Mary. Yeah, yeah, the hip hop version of marriage. Right, you're married married Mary? Mary. How long you've been Mary? I've been married now for about for about eight months? Eight months okay, Yeah, I'm newly w Yeah. I got married in February right before the pen Yeah, thank you brother. I've been with my wife about five years, five and a years huh yeah, six years yeah yeah man. That's my uh man, that's

my love. That's my motherfucking dog. Bro. Like that's the really ship out of money ya for real? Yeah yeah, bro, for real? And I love you know. What's so what's so crazy? Bro? Is that you know, I'll be hearing how people be speaking some time about marriage and ship and time like how it's hard and all of that. It's crazy. I'd be seeing episodes and just seeing ship and just like some people be under playing marriage. BRO.

I agree you like you know, if you if both the parties in the marriage decide to like grow and work through ship and have conversations about it, you could have a beautiful marriage of you and that other person that's on the same page. It can be so beautiful, Bro. It can be like like that's just like magic MONEYGA. That's how I feel. You feel me, That's how I feel like that what you're doing I put on glasses. Okay, that's which people ship right there. I respect that respect

that no real drew to respect. I love. I think another shot as a counselor another shot as a count yo. I mean that's wrong. I'm not gonna lie. Don't listen when you get the check from you know what, man, I met with the guys. I'm met with the guys. They're not ready for us, Bro, already met it check. We're not getting the check. Shout out to love. We're not getting the check. Listen, I say we I said. When you know I know this, you gotta back. People

brought this to us. It's not happening yet. Holy movie only. I love hip hop? Man? Do you love hip hop? I love hip hop? Brother a little bit. Yeah, but I don't want to Okay, I want okay, Okay, you're I killed that. I killed that by lifting it up. I killed that. Yeah, I transferred. I transferred to energy too. That was great energy. That was great energy. I transferred a little bit. Motherfucker. One thing you regret that you could do all over. You could do it all over

and say, you know what, we do that different. Let me do it this way. What would it be? M M? I think the way that the way that I handled Not to say that it was terrible or not to say that it was disrespectful, but I think that if I could with our situation, with like the me and callous situation, if I could have just handled it in a very different way, not in a not in a bad way, but if I could have just made minor

changes in terms of how I exited out. You know what I'm saying, Like, I think I would have done that in a different way. See what I'm saying, Like, it's not. I don't. I don't regret anything. I don't. But if I just I would have exited. It could have been done differently. And what part do you think that you would do better? A conversation, A conversation beforehand, as opposed to the lawyers. I didn't call the lawyers first.

What I did was, um interviews. You know, I started to express exactly, I started to express myself in the music, not even to human mak us came after when I got my independence, but um, in that time, it was more so just I started to express myself in my music as opposed to having a direct conversation with him. Was about it, no, no, no, no no no, it

was like, uh, it's uh. That's when I went to calig too, and it was Starvation four that I created, and I started speaking to my music about how I felt like the label wasn't really in support of my ideas and the things that I wanted to do. You know what I'm saying. So as opposed to having a uh you know, behind doors converation, you know, conversation with him just about my uneasiness and what I'm feeling. You

feel me like, this is what I feel broad. You know, I wish you would have came to me about this. How I wish we could have just hashed that out as men. But I wasn't a man back, you know what I mean at that particular time to realize not to say that I made it, mean any mistakes, because I love where I am and I'm so grateful for where I am, you know what I'm saying. But it's just that because I still would have made my exit.

I still wanted my freedom. Don't get it twisted. I still wanted to go off and do my own things. You know, but who knows? Who knows? How? Um? Who? Who knows? That's all I'm gonna leave. I'm gonna say, who knows. Like one of the greatest things is like you know what stupid exit with Dr Dre. It went to master p and Dr Dre kept working with him.

That was some crazy ship to me, Like you no, that stets overlooked a lot, but like that was like almost like yo, bro, your decision was right, Like did you wish like you could have done that, like you know when you exited we're the best and just kept that relationship so tight, like colleague, That's exactly kind of what he's saying facts and I'm not gonna say that, but I'm I am gonna say that I do believe that the universe will align itself. I believe That's what

I'm gonna say. That's that's what I'm gonna say. You know what I'm saying, That's what I'm gonna say. I don't think it is. I don't know it isn't he is because you know, you know, you know, you we never you know, I never forget, you know what I mean.

Like that's the thing about when people talk about loyalty and all of that dog It's like, you know, just because we might have had a a fallout or a disagreement, does that negate all of the greatness in the history that we created and the opportunities that were Like and if I if I refer if I become president, I dropped myself in those moments like ship were beautiful, this ship was amazing, This ship changed my life. N this, you know what I'm saying, Like this, my kids, my family, bro,

like my being everything. Bro. You know what I'm saying, it changed everything. I can't forget that the way that that you've evolved, You're maturing he is as well. Exactly, everybody's grown. Everybody's growing, bro, everybody's making the same mistakes and and and that's the at the end of the day.

That's the reality of things, bro, That's the reality. So for me, it's like it's never to take that energy because we had a bad moment that we had a disagreement to be like yo, our own rock with him on this to that and and you know talk you know, tain't his name out in public or whatever. That ain't my character, bro, because I believe what's for me is for me and I'm destined for greatness because I am already nick. I am nigga like it ain't you know

what I mean? Like, And once I learned that, it's like we're here, We're here, like he great? So am I You feel me like I need my own relationships. You feel I gotta make my own moves and do my own thing, like bump my own head and living my own glory, feel me like, and I love that And me I ain't got no hatred in my heart. And I think like what we had was great, but you know, you move on, God bless y'all will fix this. I'm gonna watch it. That's that's your drink. I'm sorry.

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