Episode 244 w/ I Am Athlete Podcast

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to make up? And these brothers that we have standing in front of us, is I would like to say the blueprint that me and e f N wanted to uh live out, meaning we wanted our culture to speak for our culture and people that played the game, people that was in the locker rooms, people that was you know, this is a real DJ, Like people don't know that he's a vn neal DJ, you know what I mean, Like a lot of people don't know that, and we wanted so when I look at these these four brothers,

even though three of them showed up and I looked and when I look at the at the chemistry and you know, the different worlds these brothers come from. They sit down and I got to see the Rick Ross clips. I got to see, uh, and I've seen them social distance. I see them with they got people making a food man. Yeah, I don't know the one athletes show us in the field off top off top. What made you four brothers say you know what? Because you could have actually did

a show by yourself. You could have did a show by yourself. You could have did the show and you know, he could have did the show by yourself. But what made y'all say you know what? Because that is like humbling you know what I'm saying? Um that that your brothers. What made y'all say that you're gonna do that together? Yeah? So you call it what quarantine dreams and I'll pitch you to the quick. But uh, we all live in

the same neighborhood. And when when you know, back in March and everything was locked down, I mean we walking around each other in the neighborhood. He might be on his bike or riding by. What's up and I'm looking at this situation like man, like I got legends in my neighborhood and this is just a couple of us. We're talking about everybody living in our neighborhood, and like, this is an opportunity for us to start a podcast,

started show and see what we can do. So it really was what France say, quarantine dreams or it's like we're sitting here, we ain't doing that, and we all saying neighborhood. If we are biden by CDC guy lines we quarantine, let's see, let's give it a shot. Ye Be pulled up to the crib one night. It was it was all social distancing. You even did an episode where you'all was like, yea, that was at the beginning. They are always gonna paint a picture at you if

you're sucking up. So he was trying to get that right. But Be pulled up to the crib on his golf cart. You still got that cart brout there. This neighborhood sounds rich. He's like, yo, bro, what do you think about the podcast? I'm like, if you don't them down, what's up? Whatever? He saying, who do you think we should use? I said, ship Reggie right here, Reggie Wayne right across the street from He was like, he said, I'm gonna bringing in Channing and let's do it. Let's meet in a week

or two. Let me button it up real quick. Next thing, you know, we had the facility, House of Athletes, the old building, and then and ship we just started taping and the rest is history because because because you know what it is. Um, I remember me growing up right and me actually thinking g rap Big Daddy, Kane and Rock Kim all hangs out again, right, and then it's the same thing with sports, like you would kick, like you know, when you guys are on the same team,

most of the guys get along with each other. But then when you dig deep, well it's like everyone is human. So so, um, is that something that you guys for friends prior to this or like it's dudes like you just like you said, all rappers don't really vibe. So do we jump around teams seeing the team and you're getting on a team with you know, sixty dude with a practice and all that ship and all the nig don't vibe. Like you know, I'm saying, people don't. People

just don't get alone. I'm sorry, is that just shot to kill it though? Because that looks like a regular dream. I gonna lie right now. I'm gonna because I hold I got to sleep, I got to sleep. I gotta let you do. I gotta let you finish. But hold on, let me just say, let me just say something. So you said you're simple to kill a bird like that and you trace it with the bear. Yeah, that's good. That's a good man. That's a good minute. You know

how to drink, man, let's drinking over there smoking. But damn, I gotta let um because your shott do shots when you even forever, you do shots if you're drinking to kill you. Okay, cool, we're gonna look Michael Jordan live. You know we got the other black on to killer, got the pup daddy killer? Ever you guys quick, what happened to the bell and ship man? The bell is supposed to have coming for you? Okay, I'm sorry. I was gonna say, like, dude, ready on five like that

people thinking team like it's a high school team. Many ain't like that, bro, People go their separate ways. Dude, be forty on the forty year old. Y'all all got the same ship like running the streets and one dude got seven kids. So as soon as B Marsh came on the team, me and B Marsh bonded back from Miami two thousand and eleven. Yeah, as soon as I

because Fred before me at Florida. But you always got that gate of love with both of the U L soon as me and Fred first time we saw each other went up and game that gate of love, and I just that was dude, grass up on you got me one time you come out in the preseason because you told me I shouldn't be hitting that hard in the preseason. Your back. But that long story short o

O g no o g real no real. So as soon as you walk in that locker room when you come from another team, you walk in and look how to do move? You know that's to do that fool with you know, that's a great that's a great. You just gave me a great question because you know, being an athlete is different meeting like like I could get dropped from a record label or I could they could let me go, but then I might have a choice

of where to go. Like with y'all, y'all thing, like you could just wake up and being Minnesota tomorrow or and then what happens if Okay, let me ask me to me ask a better question, because I got you ever had a beat for the team and then wind up being on that guy is Brandy to answer this question? Because that motherucker's on four h nineties seventeen the Jets. The Jett happen. I was mad. Yeah, well, so you know,

you're right. There's a lot of guys like man I found out, you know, I was traded on Twitter or Instagram. That happened every single day for me. People knew that, you know, they had to check with me first, because like I was just a little different, like I wish back then, you know, I understood the magnitude who do you mean exactly? Owners, general managers, because for me, football was personal where I came for. I come from Pittsburgh and it's the poorest county in Pennsylvania, so that was

my way out. So I never understood the business side of it. It was like if something happened on the football field, in the locker room, it was like war, Like you're taking food off my my you know what I mean, from my table. So I didn't handle things in the professional matter or a diplomatic way, so teams knew. So there would be teams I want to call and trade for me, and I would tell them, like even even the team was trying to trade me, I would tell him like, here's the three teams I'm going to.

Cleveland Browns, for example, called and they wanted to offer me five million dollars pass what market was, and I said, I will retire before I come play for the Cleveland Browns, you know what I mean? So like no, So it's both into the spectrum where you got guys who find out that they was traded and they're going to another team on Instagram and Twitter, and then you got some guys who dictate. Right. So when I went to the Jets,

that was intentional. I wanted to go to the Jet that mixed much for you know, it was my life belong Jet fan. You know. I remember your point. The other day, I spoke to one of my father's friends and I was like, yo, man, my father made me a Jet fan. Like he was like, your father was never a Jet fan. That was the cheaper jersey. I

kind of think about my father's jee game. He just like Giants right there, Jianets hold team so he just went with the Jeticehi his chief gonna speak to him when he go to hell when you sing the Jets, because when you said Jets, like oh yeah, you know, you gave us whole I was like, you know, I was asking it from New York, like why you choose the Jets, why you choose the Giant? So that's it was.

It was. It was actually something subconscious. My father was giving me Jet jersey, so I just wanted my and to the other day that look, let me ask was there Davis? Was there? Yeah, Well, let me ask you about some current like the current events. You're keeping up with the Jets now? No, because we've been doing Harbor so long. I just don't expect us to do Are

we doing good as you're like? I wanted to still Hell, No, because I wanted to get to, you know, ask you about you know, they're supposed to get the number one overall pick, but they want they went to the two games, correct, So as a Jets fans and the players, we want to win every single game. But then the Jets fans they're looking at it like, lose every single game so we can get Trevor Lawrence and that number one overall and you can back with the jets and adults. Right,

I'm real quickly. I just want to get back your question. What you asked Be the rap that your industry, our industry, the presents and our industry. When when you're cutting up like what Be says like he was cutting up bad for a minute, do you mean getting traded? Teams don't want to deal with that ship. They called you a virus. A lot of labels they want that heat, you know what I'm saying. They want these guys that's gonna bring that attention, that's gonna sell. But it's different. Oh that's

a good point. It's real different. You have a podcast, yo, that's deep interesting. But it's interesting what you just said, because like I could never understand that when I was in the league, where it was like the things that we do as athletes they cut us for. And then rappers, entertainers. You smoke weed, right, you drink, you get shot. Anything that don't matter the situation, any drama, anything that controversy,

you get deals. So the same thing that like it was one time I saw dude, there was two there was one guy in the league he got cut for particular for this particular situation, all right, and that's all. The rapper go through the same thing, and he had a Wrigley's commercial. I was like, how was that possible? Because they're dealing with different demographics. Bro rappers rappers every Sunday.

They got white kids watching, y'all white kids watching, But I would getting to watch thet y'all held to a different stand I want this conversation by the white white kids five year old white yea, your white man ain't listening to y'all goddamn music. I don't think he is. Demographics. To answer your question, that demographic change. Every every industry has to worry about the demographic that they're trying to appeal.

But it could be deeper than that, because in music, if something happens to the artist, the music keeps selling them. Something happens. But let me say, I've been all over the world, and American television is not universal. Football is like everyone like I be in duty to go off Germany and they'll be watching football, like you know what I'm saying. And so I think I think although y'all have the you have the point, but I think you

helped to a better higher standards because one. We have a printed advisor we stick up on our thing, and there's no prontive advisor brands though, But like, how can you be a brand spending money the same brands and spending money on an athlete and an entertainer. Athlete goes through something, you drop that athlete. Entertainer goes through that goes through something, you give them the bad you know

what I'm say. I just don't understand because he used to get arrested every week and they made him iron man. Let's make some noise around the same breath. We dominate both industries. You know, the majority is players in the NFL, majority or African American? How many in hip hop and rab? You know, you guys, y'all know what it is. Majority of the rap push the guys that are making the money for the big labels. You know what I'm saying

that African American? When are we gonna understand that we control these spaces, you know what I'm saying, So we can come back to the table and get together and figure that ship out so we can monetize and be in a position where we're bringing other guys in so they can eat. You know, I mean, now it's different than the especially in your space back in the day.

It's different where these guys out here everybody talking about owning their masters and all this ship, and they can bring other guys in and eat and teach them the ropes. It's tougher in football. But you guys, y'all, you know y'all the ogs. You gotta tell these guys, this is how you're supposed to do it, Like we try to tell the guys on our show, this is how you're supposed to do it, and conduct yourself so you can

maximize your time because our window is like this. The average lifespanning the NFL is three and a half years before but you got motherfucker's like greater to play twenty years. Then you got guys that's playing one to three years. It come back down to probably about three and a half, so it's still small. Yeah, we we got in thirteen. Channing got in like six, but he was doing some other ship because he was drinking beer all days. Don't want to get massage. It was in the hotel lobby.

You fly, you fly to another city. You ain't never been to to play a game San Diego. Charge you're gonna play them. Ain't no way I'm staying in the house. I ain't never seen the girls that same day ago, I gotta get out of you. You're golf used to be, you know, you used to be. So this is why I had it. I struggled in Miami. I was there for two years, and this is what I knew. It was over as soon as I came down here. Every Friday. This boy had the whole defense and what was the place?

And cococo every one time to time. One time I had a good time, but I walked away. I said, we will never win the chicken. You say something too much sports, But in Denver it is a different dynamic, right as far as northern right, So you you can you played seven years or you played a couple of years in Denver then you came in. Miamis a totally different. But my mentality was always you know, like so with Fred, Yeah, yeah, I was a knucklehead, and really it was I didn't

understand the business, right, so everything was personal. I didn't understand the magnitude of it, and so you know, yeah, I had to learn the hard way. But one thing I always did was I handled my business. So even when I came to Miami. I probably can count on one hand how many times I want to live still to this day. Like I wasn't in Lift because I knew I wasn't trying to pay the price, you know, the next morning, waking up at six am, seven am and being home over now, like I wanted the bag

and that was my focus. Really, man, your question to win with being independent? How you were just talking about Rapids being independent. How do you feel about the rock stepping out and doing the SFL because he'd be able to recruit a whole bunch of players to do that independent league. I don't think it's gonna work. I think I think you're waiting this what you said, I'm looking at it. I didn't stand answer. I don't like that gonna work. It's since if you could play in the NFL,

you can play the NFL. He only bought it for like two million, right, Yeah, but I don't really know my face but talking about that, but you used to say in the NFL, like you said you can be

in that. Negga said the word I don't know, losing door Germany and want and yeah, that's where Kobe Bryant get the Reginda con shots are going, yeah, you got you see, you're gonna be like because I had an appointment at Cocody, this big girl, and you think it's gonna work that there's when you when you look at tears and stuff, that's tears of athletes and that's what. So if you if you're going to another play in

the NFL, you're gonna play NFL. So it's gonna be twenty two guys on the field that are the best in the world. If he calls you, what's that his league is playing like the back that's to the point. It's the next level perfect. So but you were you're watching the best in the world. And you know, if if anybody in the XFL can play in the NFL, they want to go get that money. So it's gonna be the second tier of players when the first effects

XFL the quality of play, it wasn't NFL. And we've been so stuck in the NFL that you can't get the NFL in any other league. I think that I think that big, thick, motherfucking some mooning wasted all. He's goddamn money. But that's his only play right there though, That's why they don't start in the last season. They don't look at the NFL. You know that's a one then Canadian league right under the NFL. That's what they're going to look at. That's that's that's B squad and

you got XFL. That's like C and D. But these guys looking for an opportunity to try to work out. They just want to get filmed, so they just try to get the Canada or get back. Couldn't be positive. It's the development, it's a development. The Rock he whatever he put in it, there's a he has a potential to get that money back because she's doing business. You know, rock a couple hundred millions. He ain't doing that god off. So he can take that fifteen ten million dollars play

if it hit. But the sponsorships, sponsorships, his relationships, he could try to get that back. So he got some time. Man, I don't think it's no it's gonna fail, Fred, but I'm gonna see how go freak to that point. Everybody y'all like basketball like BASKETBALLA all of them watching basketball? How many league basketball games? If y'all watching the last I'll say five years league? The little more funers are playing the something in the legym. How many I wanted

to right not leave. But some of the league that's like the league, like Fred said, there's NFL, there's Canadian and then there's xfil So the NFL is gonna be under the NFL leader. You ain't for your opportunity, like Buddy went to the Lakers, Uh Andre Ingram, they brought him up and the ship up. But that's the between the NFL where you got a lot of guys like you're dealing with men in the NFL, you know what

I mean, Like it's serious business there. So you've got a lot of college kids that can ball, but they need time to develop. So when you leave college, if you don't make it to the NFL, where do you go. So the XFL is important because it's a develop mental league in the in the NFL actually wants that they

want the XFL. They know they can't compete, they know they didn't can't compete with them, but they need the Rock to be successful and also understand his place because that's a place where the guys is just not ready. They can go play a couple of years, get some films, get to the next level. Speaking of the lot of light. Somebody's want to watch that ship. Speaking of the rock this this this show on on HBO Ballers. It's really based on athletes and football players. How real is that? Non?

Tell me, I don't know what you're go first, No, No, the show got canceled them, but yeah, I got cancer after the last season. Was about to come back a couple of months ago, about four or five one. It's official. I think they probably started getting a little too close to what the real ship is and the big boy. Look, NFL is a multi multi billion dollar business, so if you get too close to what they're doing, they're the mob.

They're not sucking around. So if anything, that's probably what happened. But and that's the country what you means. So you said in the NFL probably went to HBO. We can't heard that. Probably so that's when hard Knock came. A lot of that is true, bro, Like that shootout ship, Like a lot of all they're doing is taking stories. It's glorified, it's magnified, but it's true. And and the possibilities there. Look, the NFL, you've seen everything you see

niggas do. Ship that you're like this nigga played ball Why are you doing this? This nigga got his wife at good point or he got you know, he anything might be going on. It's true, it's bad, and they just read enacting stuff that they've seen on the NFL. So a lot of it is true, but that but there's such a small window like it's true, but it's

just true. But it's fifty three seventeen in NFL team the sixteen hundred active you right here, So what is the seventeen sixteen seventeen hunting the film bro that shows about a hundred dudes. And that's that's why I get upset. I can't watch I can't watch Ballers. It ain't a big picture. So if you take if you take anybody's industry, rappers, DJs and all that, and you want to make a show about eight percent of them, I can't funk with you because it's ninety two dudes trying to do the

right it's not representative. I think Ballers was eight percent of the NFL pass and it's since nineteen seventy when NFL and af L merged that they're not showing And that's what I'm saying. They show the Ballers shows, the worst ship about the NFL, because that's what motherfucker's want to see and that's how they can monetize it and make money. That's what ballers. But that goes back to what I said a second ago about your industry, your wrap.

You know what I'm saying, like these exactly these labels. They want to sell that ship because they know it's gonna sell. They're not finished sell. They put your records talking about one to three A b c s selling that ship. They want to sell your hardest ships. They want to sell it because they know you want to run with it. Niggers that can relate to you, how

about you? They know what they're going to Ballers. I think it was with Channon said, I mean he I mean that was they got to working out in the beginning of the ship right. No, no, I'm not on, but you know I felt some type of I felt like the rock because he literally sharing the backyard. I felt like her. But I felt like he should have invited me on the show. I never got the invite, and he was a higher help. I didn't think he

was executive. You know, he the real deal. That was his show about any given something that that's one of my favorite football shows. The programs, and then there's any given selling that's the best. The program, The Program, The Program, James and the Program. The pro Ram is the most accurate off the field football film I've ever watched in my collegiate collegiate but it's called The Program. It's everything

you got you dudes on steroids. Young dude trying to make it, young dude girl trying to funk up his career is everything. Yeah, Dad at home telling me you you have to do it for the family. The Program is the most aggrate football family. Just like game, but it's football. You know what I'm saying, y'all forgetting about remember the Italians. The ship we're going through now Sunday, right, and get something this white versus black you know what

I'm saying. And that's strong where football is kind of and then the bridge, you know what I'm saying between the white players and the black players, because at the end of the day of sports is nothing else. It's the one X factor that they're gonna bring, you know, Whites with you know, their their beliefs and Blacks with their beliefs. It's gonna bring them together. And when you're in the locker room that that racism and that bullshit.

I haven't don't really something about it. So remember, the Titans is definitely in the top three, and I wouldn't say it don't exist. It's like you're saying, like, yeah, you're right, because because they didn't do like, you know, dude got some guess they got some points. Now in the quarterback you're working with in the Chicago you know what his name? How is that Chicago? Like? How was that? Like? So uh, because you Pittsburgh's cold. Pittsburgh to Chicago was good.

I didn't care about the weather. I don't really care about that. But like you know, Jay and I we was brothers, drafted two thousand six to the Dimmer Broncos together. He was first round, I was fourth round. So we was connected at the hips, and you know, we had amazing start to our career. Uh, we went our separate ways. Then we put the band back together in Chicago and it just didn't work out. So it's years. I'm trying to figure out. I'm trying to figure out where he where.

I'm trying to figure out trying to go generic because um, why y'all fell out? Yeah, why because at one point you did uh and if it was Stephen A. Smith, Steve steps trying to get you to throw him under the bus. Yeah, yeah, yeah you didn't. You held him down, and then it was like something happened after that, and

I just don't know what. I guess that's that would be the better question, because I remember you hold him down on and Stephen it was like I remember this very very, very vividly because stephen A was trying to get you to black. Come on, I get I get an example, right, like going back to Denver when when I was when you know, I was young and dumb. Uh, never gambled in my life, didn't know nothing, got you know, a couple of dollars, went to Vegas for the first time,

lost my mind. You know. The first time I went out there, one hundred went out there, the second time lost like three grand. Went out there again, lost a hundred something thousand. But this is a time where you know, I ain't had no money. I was making four in a year and then I lost more. I lost all my money. I'm in the wind hotel. I called j Cutler. I said, bro, I need sixty K to pay to win Moneys in my account the next day, right, So

like that's where our relationship was. And then we get to a point in Denver where I mean it's all football stuff. It's like, let's go win the championship. So that you know, the Jay Cutler and and you know, the whole story around him is like is he a leader? You know, is he the guy? He has all the talent in the world. So when as we matured and we got away from all that little boys stuff, let's

go win the championship. They gave us the were the leaders now, and he just wasn't on that, and we just went to we went to a place where we didn't talk. Fast forward to to to this year. Jay. You know, he went through a few personal things. I don't want to go and dive deep into his business. I'm laying a bit with my wife. My wife like, baby, just hit him up, like just check on him because it's my brother. It's like, just check on him, man. I hit him up for like three in the morning.

Here on my mind, were hit We're going back and forth, back and forth. Right, He's like, Yeah, we're gonna meet up. We're gonna do this school, do that. I go to Tennessee for a little break. Uh, he right around the corner. I hit him up, him calling me him answer the call. It's like the same old j Cutler. So you know, yeah, Jay is one of those guys. Man. It's like if you're in his circle, you're good. He loves you. If not, it's like it's a whole another conversation. So yeah, like

how how is it? Because like, um, like the quarterback for for like lack of a better term, it's like the leader. Correct, he's supposed to be so all right, So if you're on a deep defensive side, do you is are they in the same like you know frequency like as a as a defensive player talking to the

quarterback or that's that's not the way this happened. And if if you don't really talk to him, the good quarterbacks have come during practice and say like, hey, why did you drop back in his own and you know, bulls your excello stuff. But the quarterback defense, I'll tell you Chad Pennington. I played with Chad Pennington. Chad Penning

was with the Jets. You don't know, you don't really follow your daddy, but continue and that that was the best quarterback play with But he would come to me after that, after practice and be like, hey, in this cup of three, why did you drop back in there? Because I couldn't hit the end route and all that, And I'd be like, because the back didn't flare that way, so I had nothing to do. And I don't know if he needed me to tell him that, but he would just try to embrace the team. And I think

great quarterbacks make an effort to embrace the team. You hit it on the head, and you, I don't know if you knew you hit it on the head. But a good quarterback understands what he is for the team. And that's why he always wanted defense. The players food with the quarterback. It's because that quarterback wanted. Have you ever been on a team where the defensive the offensive?

Or in practice practice sometimes you know what if the defense strong, but during the games, you know, I've seen situations where my boys, I don't out with the defense, but I ain't even really that's where the dogs play defensive. Me the linebackers in the cornerbacks and pretty boys. And then we were chilling. So they'll let us know though, they'll be like, yoga, y'all need to Hey, what the fund y'all doing over there? I get this ship right.

So once the defensive player put that situation and play like I'm gonna try to get the offense together. But then after that it's the quarterback. The quarterback was the one where everybody looking at saying, all right, what then is he gonna say? I was in New England for two years with Brady towards the end of my career. Brady treated everybody the same practice squad ten your back. You know what I'm saying. That's that's why I think Brady to go because he they say, Brady right to

sleep for practice? Is this some real get out of here? But he described a whole days. I'm gonna tell you my situation. That's exactly what I want. I went, I went to New England and you're twelve. I had Adam did ten thousand yards in Jacksonville. You had twelve thousand right now right because from it, so you know, going to New England. Um, I'm looking around this ship. I'm like, I don't want took out what they got going on. So I'm up there. But Tom, Tom run every fucking thing.

So you get up there and he's just chill. You know he chilled. I get up there like Freddy them them PRPG bro. You know was that like he like, okay, we're cool now. So he on the ship that I'm on. So you get up there, practice squad in your vet. Everybody on the same playing field. If you funked up on the field, he's treated it the same. You know everybody name, you know like everybody. It ain't about position.

It's about respecting what you can bring to the team and how how how urgent you can get it done. So that's what Tom was about. So he didn't minimize who you were. He was making a hundred. He listened to more like in the situation like Tom Brady and Bill Belichick, who does the team listen to? More like if they're gonna listen to it in the trenches with you know what tongue got the last say, Look when the last time you've seen the CEO fire their self? Wait?

Wait wait wait what Oh if you're the CEO, yeah you're gonna fight yourself? No, I don't think so when when when Brady on the field, he the CEO? You feel he left about what? What? What? What Belichick say? Because at the end of the day. Who got to make these plays and get paid. That's how that was my mind set. The same with Tom. So we're going to field, tell me like he yo, pretty do the ship this way? We did, We need it this way in practice twenty times. But on the field, I just

saw something. Do it this way. Guess what that's she's gonna workfody. She ain't gonna say a motherfucking thing. It never been a time but Belichick told you something and Tom to do something else. He was courting that confliction I'm gonna do with Tom, say goddamn, I'm respect your lawyer. That's how. That's the business of it. Bro, I caught that that that's that's like y'all answered like crazy questions just like you don't even know, like I always thought that.

I want to pay it real quick, right, If y'all don't mind, I know, I know. It's just there's no normal smart ship. We together. May we brought something from us. Jelf Nasty got something from damn for you, Bro, you probably get okay, shrimp burger. I've never had a shrimpburger. I'm in Oh, it's fine, ship, But if you gotta tell him why the strip Burger, so like significant you know, she represents the Christ. Yeah you know me, thank you. So it's a shrimp urger, but it's all shrimp, no filler,

just shrimp and seeings. So it's a secret. I keep it together. It's don't get what I get a shot at daily on bro yea for the coach. Yeah so all right, bro, that was you're drinking when I'm drinking? Was it ever a dream today? An't you worry about what I'm drinking? Like? Um? Like if you said I get here and this this is my my you know, because did you have to have a dream destination to go to, Like like you're saying to yourself, like if I get there, this is this is it? What's for?

You might have been Boston, right not? You know what? Like I hear a lot of these young boys say, looking, man, I had a dream when I was this age of the Cowboys. I was a fan of certain team I grew up, you know, down here in Florida's right. All I all I heard was Miami Dolphans in Miami, the number one. I don't look. But then when I got older, you know, I just wanted to make it to the league. I didn't get for I just want to get a check and go back to the crib and chill. You

know what I'm saying. I ain't like, I ain't had a capacity to think business marketing, you know, which is what a lot of our guys failed to understand right now, and I think that needs to change. But it didn't really matter to me. I just wanted to get to wherever whoever drafted me and play. I just want to compete all that other ship. It didn't matter how about you, Like, you know, I always wanted to be on Depth Jam.

When I finally got the Depth Yam, it was almost like for the first day I've walked in Depth Yah. I take this true story. Um, I feel like I was going to the Yankees right like, like you know for you know talk. The day I'm supposed to sign, I walk into building and um, every guy is there because you remember, you have to sign into Depth Jam to go upstairs. So egot is Then Argoty turns and he looks at me. He goes, you're signed to signing today, right,

And I go yeah. He goes, don't celebrate, oh, And I'm like what He's like, You're gonna have to work harder ever on a major, because you have success on on on a on an independent. Don't don't sleep, don't let your guards down. And as everybody said that, he turned around. I think he's a hater, But years later I knew what he meant. He definitely shouldn't have said that to me as young as I wasn't as hard

as he said. But when I did appreciate it years later because he was like, yo, bro, just because you're on a one of these established teams, don't mean that you're gonna be established. You don't mean you're gonna be jay Z might not be. You're not gonna be DMX nothing. You gotta only be you. But and you're gonna have to work harder, So you gotta think about it, like from the from a professional athletes, stand before you answer that,

let's get this shot going. God, damn pull pull. We should shot at man, I should have seen that shots you gotta take that. It was a whole street kill. He's working, damn. But he don't know. But they but they know if we take too many more these, well, the whole party. I'm not allowed to watch the clips. I can tell you. The ring leader like you, you keep the room together. So you don't keep the room together when the drunk ship come out, and when it

come on, don't worry about. Don't worry about. It's called drink chances. All second, we saw you were saying something. Yeah, I mean, you know, from the sports perspective, you gotta think about it. As soon as you get drafted, they're down trying to replace you. So when you talk about what is saying right like, yeah, you know say bro, say that loud layman term. It's a young man's business. Yeah, like you look at business, look at the product. Right,

it's gonna be way, way way more younger. You know, guys that's ready to get in because they're cheaper at the end of they You know what I'm saying. You want to maximize profit. You want to make sure in the NFL. In the NFL, you want to keep your salary cap tight. You know what I'm saying. You want to have a lot of space on your cap. So if you get young guys with potential, it's all about leverage, but the opportunity to increase their value. But you'll have

a five year window. So every contract that's seen that's done in the NFL you see these guys talk about a hundred million dollars deal, right, they might get forty million of the guarrant guarantee. Yeah, but that's only the first three years. That's the life of the still got a life for the deal. Let's say you signed a six year a hundred million dollars deal. The first three years,

Let's say you get forty million guaranteed. That's only pertaining to the first three years, and everybody is judged on the first three stars, living like a forty million dollar nigger, and then you get injured the other sixty million. It's backloaded on that contract. So you got three years were they're giving you forty boom, you might get thirty five million signing. Then then the next year they're gonna give you two. Then the next year, the third year, they're

gonna give you three. Right, so that's your forty mill guarantee. They don't wipe their hands clean the next three years. It's sixty mill on there. If you haven't shown them that you can do ship, you have years cut you because and they don't have to give you that sixty No, No, it's like, yeah, since you've made a million dollars deal, but really that was the life of the contract. It includes the marketing, the promotion, the label. But it's a little bit different. It's a little let me take a

little different label. They'll say, we'll give you one point for right, and what happens is we'll go in and we'll make an album. The album because one point seven, so they will have the week forecast, that's what they call it. And they got if you maximize that the first three years, if you're gonna do your thing, that that that third year where you might get twenty meal

because it's sixty meals left with three years left. But on averages, if you're gonna get twenty meals, they don't want to see that twenty meal on this salary cap. Say're gonna say, a right, Nori, we want to meet with you in your Asian coming here. We're gonna find a way to take the twenty meals off our hit because we we envisioned you being here another six years.

So they're gonna come in and they're gonna offer you an extension where they're gonna give you new money, and then that next that same year where you're just gonna get that twenty in that year four where you're gonna get twenty. They might say, we want to give you two, but we're gonna add offer you a new contract with another three year extension. So they're gonna make it a six year deal, but they're gonna give you another hundred million,

you know what I'm saying. But the signing bonus is gonna be But you really playing on the forty You really playing like year to year in the NFL, like outside outside of like that guarantee side of to take about when you walk and I wanted you to take off when you you left off for you said the minute they draft you there trying to replace the injury rate. And in the NFL is they know that any minute the ankle could go and he could go right like that and it's over. Yeah, right, So looking that that

is a is a great example. But he's a quarterback. If that's a running back, if that's why I received, that's any other position, they're not getting a contract. They're going back from lead minimum that Prescott is supposed to make forty five million dollars or forty million dollars right that Prescott's gonna get that because he's a quarterback. Any other position you're going to don't make one million dollars

and prove it proved to me that you're healthy. But what I'm saying about at I got to understand every time you walk in in the locker room, and I'm not I'm not, I'm not exaggerating. Every day we walk into the locker room. They had they got a thing called core guys. There's like four or five guys that's untouchable. That year. You're gonna see somebody with a trash bag walking out, and you're gonna see somebody with a suitcase walking in, and they give them the same jersey, they

give them the same locker room every day. The numbers man got to the same number every day, every day, every day. To this conversation, I don't know, I don't know a lot of people that we're talking about this, he said, So we talked about this an im athlete. A lot of people don't know that every year you're playing the NFL, you have to make more money. It's called the minimum. So like right that first year, what is it like six fifty? No No League minimal was

almost it's like eight. It's like when I was at my first year, we had to make two hundred and third or seven thousand. My second year we had to make two seventy hundred seventy thousand. But when every year in the c b A, the Collective Bargaining Agreement, that's that's the NFLPA vers NFL. There's a set there's a set number on every player if he's played three years, four years, five years, six years, eighteen years, that he has to make. They try to work. And that's what

you were talking about. They're trying to replace every time when you get drafted and trying to replace you because they have a league minimum because when they draft you at four hundred thousand, if the dude the next year it's better than you at five hundred thousand. Numbers, it's all about numbers. You're not broke. Let me let me

say that. Dudes think their names are their names. Brandon Marshall, Fred Taylor, you're not Fred telling Brandon Marshall you're running back one and your receiver one, and then you're gonna be received numbers. It's all going to regrets that. Here's here's what both of like with both of you guys been saying I got this this do say this is two hundred million dollars that each team has to spend.

It's not that that that collective bargain agreements around like a hundred and seventy million, give or take a few million every single year. Now we're in the pandemic. So TV, right, the TV deals is what pay like, that's where the money comes from, you know. So now let's say it's easy numbers, two hundred million dollars we got to spend

U throughout this the sixty guys. If I got a guy making ten million dollars, Brandon Marshall making ten million dollars, and he's given me a thousand yards ten touchdowns a year, that's his production, right, great, awesome. But as soon as I find a guy that I can pay four hundred dollars and he can give me nine hundred yards or thousands and those ten touchdowns, now they're gonna come back to you and say, hey, we need to we need to renegotiate your deal. We're gonna cut you or we

want We're just gonna cut you. Right. So that's what it's about day to day in the NFL. And this is something that no young player coming in knows from the get I'm assuming now they only had agents or anybody from from the entrance trying to well, guys know, yeah, guys understand it, you know, as far as like the numbers and you know, and especially nowadays because we have podcasts and we have these types of discussions, so they got access to information. But I don't think every guy understand.

What Channing said is that I don't care about you. I care about what you can do for me today. The NFL stand for that National Football League. It stands for not for long, right, And that's what they don't understand. They're trying to. It's crazy, y'all favorite player, pick them up in yall mind. I don't even want to hear whatever the fail y'all favorite NFL playing all y'all's mind. There is an organization that's trying to replace him because

he's getting older every day. Pretty to go. They let his ass gold because his ass could y'all y'all favorite player. And Patrick mahomest with somebody mind because I love Patrick Holmes, my dude. Right now, the Kansas City Chiefs have to have a meeting about Patrick mahomes When a little pretty redhead, fluffy and curly head, motherfuck get old, when do we need to replace him? Think about that. That's the drink. Kansas City chiefs. The city chiefs have to talk about

when to replace Patrick Rogers. Example, it's a perfect example. Aaron Rodgers and m VP and VPP Mars go ahead, we can talk about that after this. Aaron Rodgers is the best quarterback right now in the NFL. The Green Bay Packers drafted Jordan's Love in first round. In the first round last year. They didn't get a damp bro. They didn't they didn't get the best player in the NFL, a better running back, a better left tap or the

protective got him. They got him a replacement because Aaron Rodgers is old and they didn't know how long he can But they can't think about right. In rap we have things called a grandfather contract. Right, So a grandfather contract is like, um, no matter what I could, I can sell two records tomorrow, but you you can't pay me less than a certain amount. Like I believe al l has a grandfather's contract. Um, yeah, we do have that. That's that. That's what they said the CB and collective

bargain agreements. So we're gonna go all there and say if you're if you if you're a veteran, passed this amount of years, this is how much you can can ye, Yes, we got stuff like okay, okay, but at the end of day, you talk about kick him out. Yeah, that's why they drafted him. Perfect. It was Aaron Rodgers about to win the m v P. They drafted guy in the first round, that first round, quarter quarterback. Quarterback, that quarterback ain't gonna have to win the Super Bowl this year.

They didn't go get somebody on defense. But what they do is they go get him, and now they can turn around this year if he didn't perform well and say we're gonna cut you or we need you to take a pay up. So that thirty five that thirty six million you posed to make, we need you to be at fifteen. But that's about to ask let me get guests to make. So does Aaron Rodgers does he mentor this this dude doing that eventually, this guy's gonna take my place? Does he say this guy tell him

come to practice? Yeah? Yeah, no, every guy, you might you might have friends because every situation, right, yeah, they When I was Inville, you know, I got injured a couple of seasons and the team has to do what the team has to do. It. When I was a player, I ain't really understand it, but you know, I just wanted to win. I didn't give a funk about it. The plus I wanted to compete to So my team they drafted, like for probably about a ten year period,

they drafted to running backs a year. So they drafted running backs my teen years and in Jacksonville. And guess what I did. I stepped up to the plate. They made me do my thing. I'm like, me, worry about this ship. I talked in the playbook and all of that. So they they insert Jones Drew who went and did this thing. So as a player, I'm more comfortable knowing I got somebody that can go out there and do the thing when I'm recovering, when I'm getting my rest,

I'm tired of ship. I'm like, damn, I hain't out of Paul. Extra stress on me. This young boy, he gonna get out there, he's gonna do his thing. We're not gonna right in the same position. So it all depends on your relationship with you know what's going on. But then I've seen mostly the receiver position you know, the receipt and all respect to them. This is why it can be two to three receivers on the field

at a time. He'd have started, but he might not be getting the ball that day based on the They could be doubling him, swinging everybody to his side. Now he gotta depend on receivers X they go make plays. If he's not making plays and we're not winning, Like ship, I could have thrown the double coverage. Let me get me a shot. You know what I'm saying, we gonna

lose the game. So it depends on But the reality is I always say this of the guys in the NFL, like we talked about fraternity, you draft, We drafting guys every year. We're bringing a new free agents and ninety probably even the guys um you know they're they're they're they're helping the guys out. So new guy come in, you know he's there to replace you. They drafted or or or brought him in free agency to take your some of your production. And you're gonna see that guy

go through the playbook with him. Let me show you this is this person in the organization. Here's my massage therapist, here's my real estate agent. That's that fraternity that we talked about, right, And that's a that's across the board every once in a while, like if a guy is treating a rookie bad, not because he's a rookie, like a rookie come in, you know, you gotta pay your dudes, but like not trying to show him the way. It's kind of dving, Like we look at him like, dude,

what is you doing? Right, because that's not the culture. It's counterculture. In the league week, we have this mindset of look, we're gonna help you out at the end of the day because you know what the crazy ship is. And I'm a Swiss of the story A subject a little bit right now. Um, I bike by aga and shot right bike ride right open, Yeah, yeah, like that

cycle the motorized. I got electronic bike sound. So it's a it's a time that when we start the bike ride, I could tell he's back on the field, like he's not he's yelling at everybody get on the bike. I just he's back on the field, like he's like, I'll be looking at her. You know. The other day he called, he was like, but the other day we drove and it was an Amazon truck that pulled up. I stopped, like any human being, who do why in the nuts?

He pulled on the side of them, you know how big an Amazon and not looking cause I'm trying to do what he do and he blocked the Amazon truck. I said, I'm not doing guys, Like, So, what I'm trying to say is I wish I was exaggerated. I wish I was exaggerated, Like, so, I'm just trying to picture y'all. Is you telling this story, y'all, y'all psychic suits. I'm the pych suit, y'all because I'm going to buck

the bayle because my's sucked up. But what I'm trying to say is like, is that is do you'll ever like turn the game off? Or is that something that that is? That? Is that a four? So? So so we just had that conversation. But for me, that's why when we talk about you know, why I struggle earlier on in my career because as a player, and I hate to use this word because I'm big on mental health, but it can paint the picture for people. But you almost gotta be bipolar. And I say that, no, no,

I don't wanna go down there. I don't want to go there now because no. So you gotta be able to go on the field turn that switch on. You gotta think about it. This dude way two pounds. He running twenty two miles per hour. I'm two hundred thirty pounds. I'm running twenty four miles per hour forty yards and were coming hit hit the head. You gotta have a different mentality to do that. So, like, how do you

have that mentality turn that switch on? You gotta go to a different place and then you go off the field, your husband, your your father, and you gotta turn that. A lot of a lot of guys don't have that, like fred T had that, like he could go on the field, turn that on naturally, then on the off the field, cool chill of the coolest dude in the league. Right.

A lot of guys gotta work on that. So, like you talk about Warren, we got a lot of guys that's that are retired that's still gotta learn how to turn that switch on. It. I don't think that. Yeah, Jel this ship. So I hung out with him one day, I hung out Vick one day. I'm going south. This this is this is two different things. Okay, what I'm saying I met you, Okay, Okay, I made you through vicking sound and this is bro. It is perfect. But it Okay, I didn't play tay. We're just hanging out

and B, you don't remember I just said that. I totally remember what he said. I just do app but no. But but Bro, if you don't understand, and this is the perfect conversation. And in this aspect where you know Vic, you know me, and you don't heard what Be just said, you heard everybody is said, Bro, that ship like of locking in and then letting go, locking in and letting go.

And it's funny. It's funny to say that me and me and B because with with Brandon, with all the mental health stuff, Bro, we don't have some real, like man conversations about mental health. And with different things, with our podcasts and with different things, we'd had some real conversations with mental health. And that's the thing that I think men don't want to do is talk about that.

It's talk about what football did us and talk about what what like the life that we lived in us And people don't understand it's one percent of people that have our our experiences and I tell you what I tell you the other day, Bro, I appreciate you, And he text me back, he said, I love you, I love you, my brother. Let's make some more you freaky friend, Bro, I am only people. Only people is nasty. Let my point friend, nasty, But bro, Bro, what for a man perspective?

And to see us sitting around drinking a bullshit? Bro? To have a dude that done did so much like a man that's made it, a man that's like that is even bigger than you, and just talk to him and text him, bro, I love you, bro, And that man text me I love you too, my dude, my man, that's that that that clicks when I worried. That clicks. That's beautiful to have a man that that, that appreciates you, that respects you and your goods. You're shot ready for We are ready shot for you. Let me tell you.

I like that in this game they say we got ten years of more. You're washed up. We ain't washed up. We want to salute all legends to give you godda flouts to your faith. I like that you shut this nigger giving you felt the light skin ship. Aren't you light skinting dogs. I used to be light skinned. I want to be eight car block right now. I've been trying. I don't Yeah, no, man, no, I want to mesin skin. Man,

I ain't know you. This is the question I want to pose real quick, right, I'm gonna say real quick. He talking about you know guys in our profession that you know they talk about CTE with the head and depression and you know what I'm saying, m h and and and and wrap. You got guys that run with twenty deep entourage, they big what happens with the light them when they ain't getting the money the same way?

You know what I'm saying, When when all everybody that was running with him, like what happens in those situations when they depressed, like what they're going through mentally? Well, um, I have said it on the show. I forget what show it was, but I said, man, you're the man Monday. It's hard to wake up on Wednesday and not be

the man. You understand what I'm saying. And the thing and the thing about it is this, you know, like even with football, Like you know football, I always used to kind of think like it's one of the most protective sports because guys faces are covered. So so so if if somebody's not really into the football, somebody can say, yo, you this is and you can say no, that's it. You can't really do that, Like I can't really like they say that you Norrie. The thing about it is, um,

we all deal with it. This is a this is a version of being posted maaticum rapsodrome because this is it. This is it because you know what it was. I wasn't addicted to the actual money. I was addicted to the thrill of Southern Records. That thrill like when I dropped the album and that week of that album, it's a certain ball. So so when I kind of retired from hip hop without saying I retire from hip hop, that's what I missed. I would miss the thrill whether

it worked or not. But with a podcast, I could fulfill that thrill every week. Every fucking episode that's gonna go platinum, like every episode, not even gold. Like you know I was a gold artist and you know I got one platinum. Let's make noise, but everyone don't blatinum. But this I'm actually even like even bigger. The numbassy is even bigger. So but this is a form of

the thing is. The thing is this, This is this is what's fucked up about being an artist is your team pumps you up, your record label pumps you up, your management pumps you up to be this guy. And then when you start acting like that guy, they say you's to do that. You ain't that guy. They push you to go Hollywood, and then when you go Hollywood they judge you for that. And the thing is, what you gotta know is the same people you you said

don't know going up, you're gonna see coming down. And so you got So that's why in our game you have to have balance because, um, I really like look at it more like a comedian almost. I always used to compare us to the sports, but I almost now compared to a comedian like Kevin Hard guy all these five ten fift and guys. When Kevin Hart go on stage, he could only he can't his friends can't be funny

for him. You know what I'm saying. It's the same thing with rap, but entertainment is a little different because, um, like I said, they pushed off face so much and when it when you do become famous, and then they take the opportunity away from it's a famous but that, but that, but that's not a big I mean it's the same. It's anonymous rapping sports and uh, you know it's interesting because a lot of guys and I see you, I see Fat Joe, and I'm like, yo, their genius,

they get it. A lot of our our entertainers, a lot of athletes don't have a second career. They don't even have a plan B. It's it, this is why, this is why I was here. I'm born to catch a football, I'm born to rap. It's over. Now, what did you have that plan that? Did you know where

the plan B was? Because for me, like halfway through my career, I started setting up everything I'm doing now because I'm studying the people that came before me, and I don't think everybody has a plan B. Understand that it could be taken away and what's next? Because you retire at what how old was you when you've been talking to you gonna think about this? It's so hard to tell somebody. Man, you think about later on in life when you win. When you winning, like, that's the

worst time to tell somebody. You know you're gonna have a rainy day because you're looking like, but here's my thing. Here's hard sports and music. Average career three years. But let's say you have a good career, right, thirteen years, you retire at thirty four. How many fifty year old rappers? And there's only one or two for real? Jay z Uh. But but the same, it's the same you put it on jay Z. You know you got a couple of guys. You know, he just came out. He fought me something

years of age. Right, what are you doing with life after that? There's so much life to live. So that's the man slide. Whether you're an entertainer, if you're an athlete, you gotta understand that. When whether you if you walk away in your terms, you still wanna be you. Wow, how you created house an athlete? Yeah, I mean I would tell you this with Brandon and he's going back to the early conversation, be me and be really cool.

And like you said, I think I was a person that be has never met in his life, a dude that just funs off, like I don't care about anything else. I just I just enjoyed life. And for Brandon and he can he can address it where on the back end of the career. I never saw somebody grind as hard as you do. Bro. He grinds house an athlete, he has he has the combine guys and he has guys. I'm in towards the feeling he has white and hears

and stuff. Bro. There, my personal opinion is that there's there is not another Brandon Marshall has ever lived in the NFL. You be a part of it? Can you give me another Brandon? That was? That was? That was so cute? Bro. No, I just think I think for me, and it's like I always leaked into what I don't know, you know what I'm saying. Like, I always felt like if I know what I don't know, I can go find an answer. I can go google something quick, I go pick up a book quick. You know what I'm saying.

I got the other y'all over there, Booth, I got the other y'allum, I can't so like that was that was always my That was always my mentality is figure out what I don't know and build off of that.

So when you think about, you know, this transition that we're talking about, whether you're an athlete or entertainer, you know, you start studying it, like, damn, why are so many of our guys uh depressed filing for bankruptcy when the game or the stage is taken away from him, right because there's no planing b So what I did is I spent three months at Harvard and I did a case study studying entertainers athletes and figuring out, like how

did they use utilize There's a he was asking. But that's that's the thing though, Like I spent that time trying to figure out, like how do you use your platform something that's that's amazing right now? But I want to build something that last longer than the game, that longer longer than the rhymes. And so we put this plan together and a couple of people jumped out to me, Magic Johnson, I'll start their Lift Live, arm Strong landtm

Strong as well. But Magic Johnson, I can't understand, like how you work for almost a half a bi a half a billion dollars and you still on ESPN and they're paying you a couple of million dollars, Like you losing money? Like why are you doing that? You know you uhould be in the office. And I realized that it was another platform. I realized that you know, he

was had so many different ventures. So like I started studying those blueprints and and and and I just feel like a lot of our guys need to understand that when you retire, the game is taken away from you. You're still young, So study the people that came before you and build off of that. And it's an identity thing too, because I think people get absolve and just this is my identity. I'm just the ballplayer. That's all I can do. Understanding that their identity could be all

kinds of things. Well, that was Antonio Brown. We had him on here, but before we had when we had him on here, I asked him about an interview that he did where I think he was, um, uh, what's the guy? Um, that's what's keep skip ballst uh stephen As So he was kind of like this and Sharon Shop. He was like, man, um, I don't want to do what Sharon Shop is doing because when I retired from the NFL, I want to own a tuning team. I don't want to be talking about it team Like how

you play? How you he said? He said it was on Lebron show The Shop, and he was like how you play football? All your life and then you go, you know, top football again, like what are you doing? He called him a clown all that I know exactly what you're saying. How do you do? How do you guys feel on that statement, because I mean what we do? Be min you want to you want to own a team one day? No, I'm trying to. I'm trying to create the next billion dollar black owned, the first billion

dollar Black on wellness brand. That's what I'm trying to do. Well, we don't participate in that, you know, like how do we eat better? How do we supplement? How do we you know what I'm saying trained like we were dying. Like if this pandemic ain't teach us nothing, it taught us. Yeah. So that's what I'm on. Bro. I want to say something, but we want you to say something. We love you. Come on, come on, sue. Mm hmm oh, I'll tell

you all. One thing. I wish that there was a larger percent of people that thought like Brandon Marshall and you were early what we hour ago? Whatever you ask like, how how did I am athlete? Be? I am athletes? Brandon Marshall and miss Marshall And you want me to call everybody else names. And that's a bro. He brings a team. He brings a team. When he started when when when Brandon started this, when he started was out the first part of hyah men you we were you know,

it was when you were talking. It was the same thing we were saying in there. And all our kids played together, all I can play together. Yeah we didn't say that. And I'll tell you my golf cart is way not say this, bro. I got that ship on the knee. That guy Brandon didn't know what about the golf car. He didn't know how you can set up the golf cart. And I set up the golf cart.

But with when when Brandon saw how you can line things up and you can really appreciate and respect the attention that you can get from this bro and with y'all, with y'all, and I love y'all show. I watched everyone of y'all show. That's why I brought the bottom because I'm going to be I know you had all this. I know about the bottom man. And and Brandon had a vision and he knew that you can capitalize on your on your your name, your likeness and all that.

And Brandon talked about talk to me about that years ago. Here's the thing, though, this is this is the reality to I look at like our platforms, whether it's Drink Champs, I immediately guy's been doing I Am Athlete only eight months? Yeah, yeah, only eight months. Yeah like this. I didn't want to get to this until like two years from now, but

the pandemic shut everything down. I was like, ship, we all in the same neighborhood, let's come together and the show we don't know what's going take off the way it did. But my mind, because it's the locker room is real talking. People don't want to hear any more excess those suits and ties room talk. Like this platform, Drink Champs, I am Athlete, it's an incubator for talent.

What it is it's is the tech. Look at this name right here, This dude been on This dude been on local radio in Miami and talking about the Miami Heat, talking about the Miami Dolphins for ten years, and he's one of the best in the industry. I've been on showtime inside the NFL for seven years with the best of the best getting paid a lot of money. I'm like, no,

they can't even touch him. So in my mind is like you know when I first went out, when like after a month or two and we're creating the show at show times and everybody call us saying, man, we like what y'all doing. The first thing they said this, I don't know, maybe you'll should put Reggie Bush on, like I don't know about Chaney Crowder. Who's Chaney Crowder? And that's like y'all just gotta understand that you'll wait

and see. And now all these people want to buy a show, and they're like, he is the star, you know what I'm saying, something his life ship, like he ain't gonna say you're the center, like let that. Let me take said that I directed all the question. I knew forever was gonna get quiet at the while. I just I was wanting, like you told what you want say football like like like so so I knew it. But it's it's a certain energy that you you you possess, you command the room and you don't even try it,

like you know what I'm saying. So I was I was gonna be up, so I was ready for you. But my wife I told my wife, I said, I'm going on drinks and she said you're going on drinks. I said, yeah, I'm going to drinks, and like, well, we gotta get your heads, we gotta get we gotta get you about this shirt yesterday. I'm gonna tell you because again, like I said, when I came into this game, I thought every wrapper hung out together. When I found that out, I was crushed. When I found out football players,

I thought every football player knows every football player. I thought, when you go home at night, Jerry Rice, call you. You know what I'm saying, what's my man? Just said? You know he's on your answer. Everyone knew everyone, And then to come to find out that it's just like rap and then see there's fo y'all like it could have been one, that could have been two, It could have been Twitter, it could have been before. I was like, damn, this is the woof Tang clan, like these things exact Nancy.

I was listening to this song and this is why, right Chef Nancy, she didn't cook for Michael straighthand she didn't cook for um uh, Robin Roberts, Kelly Roland, everybody. She's sick and she got a Jamaica queens. Why we don't got our own seasoning. Why we ain't got our own cookbook. So yeah, you're gonna come on the show, and everybody. I love Chef Nancy. I love Chef Nancy. And guess what's happened next, mouch Chef Nancy dropping her

website when I Nancy, I'm supporting. Yeah, I think that's that. Y'all got me going, turning up right now, turning up. Remember your thought. Please. But what I've been preaching with me my partner from preaching for years is we want everything to come from our culture. The thing about it is, if I could come to your podcast and I know what's gonna happen this Sunday because you're gonna be breaking it down, I don't need to actually even watch any

other sports show. Haver. You know the same I'm saying. If I'm gonna go look at the weather and Jim Jones is giving me the weather good? You care about Andy broke off and all these I'm with Jim Jones. You don't understand what I'm saying. Like I feel like our culture and that's not a black, black white thing. I'm saying, our coaches, people that love our coaching, we

should get together and really make our own Wakanda. You know what I'm I'm saying really like, I mean really really like bla speak on this ahead, hold on, holding before, give me Jim Jones, give me example, Jim Jones breaking out the weather, Jim Jones, the show a vote, TV calls the weather man, Jim Jones. How does he gotta give it to me? Yeah, he gave. He starts with the shoot and he gave he should give the one of them and he gave you the weekly broadcast sucking

the NYC every day. And I think it's hilarious. But I think like we should really do that, Like we should really like at the end of the day, at the end of the day you spoke about earlier. I don't know what one of Jim Jones Ones is this work, um, but let's try to. Let's try. But like sat, I want SAP to do drink chap sports cover the whole sports right. And this is the thing is we keep doing things like that, we don't ever have to go outside our culture. We can we can maintain, we can

actually go on. Remember how remember we set the newspaper because you had the funk with the New York Times, you had the funk with. But now you're going on and have an app. Why we can't have our own app? We could get everything, you know, I want to buy. I want to buy socks from our culture somebody. I don't gonna buy socks from somebody I know who's the owner is and four room. Uh you know what I mean. Ray Lewis is Southern socks Lewis, and I to let

me go support ray Lewis. Like I went to a dinner the other day with a family and there was a family, a mad different family, and all of them had on Watch This by the way, right, and their obligation every month was to spend a certain amount and every one of the this is like twenty six of them, and I'm sitting there just witnessing, and they're like, yeah, like, oh, you didn't spend the twenty grand in November, Like okay,

don't worry, I'm spending in February. And I'm like I'm saying bad, Like you know, if we thought like this, like all of us have businesses and I'm obligated to support your business twenty grand in every two, two or three months, You're obligated to the same thing. To me, Holy shit, But take it to the next level though, Right, we create something, whether it's drink champs or a product,

I just want us to think this right. A lot of times when we reach out, we like, yo, I know you my people, you know, just give that to me. You guy understand like the investment in that and and and how much that we be appreciated if you actually go online and you buy that, right, Like, we gotta start understanding that it's not just about post, Like, yeah, we want you to post, we want you to engage,

but we also need you to invest. Like what you're saying like if ray Lewis dropped some socks by the socks happened, but if you understand that, but we understand the mission of the company that and you get it because like when you turn around and you look at like the president and the president is black, right, and the president on something like you get me a platform NOMA empowered black women, Like now you understand where the

money is going. It's not like, oh, this is you know Noriy, this is Brandon, this is ray Lewis, this is that person's Fred Taylor, Chandy Crowder, they got millions. It's like, what are we doing for a community? Is that if that, if that platform, if that brand is going back to the community and building up our community, then we got to support that. And I think we I think we're doing a good job. I think I think, I think I think let me just tell yourself. I

think we're on our way. But I feel like it should be real structures. It should be real, like you know what, house of athlete, everyone's going to go up to the house of athlete on this day at this certain times what or whatever? Boom and then all right, cool, you know what, t I got his new colon line dropping. We're gonna all go support tis a cool or whatever. Don't you just said drinks drink Champ Sports, drink Chat Sports.

Like what we do is we say, let me go create my own platform, right like you already got him. You already created the platform. So what is that professional athlete? Who is that friend that's gonna go out there and say, you know what, I'm going on drink Champ Sports. That's my platform, right, don't go create your own. You already broke through for us. That's what he said. I would to the shop of day that how do we erase four hundred years of conditioning? Though doing it right now.

We're trying to. We try, you know what I'm saying. We got to start from somewhere. But we're trying. We are really trying to. But we've been conditioned to have a crab in the in the barrel mentality. You know, you got guys that will go to the a rab down the street, you know what I'm saying, and get a deal and be like, yo, uh just five dollars, let me get it for three. They're gonna cut the deal.

They're gonna come to you. They're like, no, I want to get it for what it is that they want to get it for two dollars from you, you know what I'm saying. So they're not really supporting you how they need to support you. So that's the problem with our people, our culture. We try to teach them, but it's a little bit more complicated. You know what I'm saying. I love what Puff is trying to do. You know what I'm saying, I love what what what what Ross is trying to y'all do that? So we gotta show

love and give love to what to do. So we gotta start somewhere because not a lot of people are engaging in tune to We're trying to look out for each other because they're gonna look at you like, man, I need to get this for for six dollars. Yeah, you know what I'm saying, Like, you know what you're not looking out for? You see the seller Louis. But they're not gonna go in there say that they're gonna going there with pride so they can show the next

nigga that I got this. But if they're gonna have your brand, I got ner ship style speak at this thing called pharmacy or life, and I think he had it for about three years. Yesterday was the first time I got like it's the second time that I got something for freakause I never asked for free. I just just go out there and I just support it. And he always hit me when I posted. He was like, you know I was sending to you be free. I said, that's not the point. The point is you got a

product that I like. I like this black seat? Are you? And if I was to go to fucking G and C, I ain't going to the people and ask, but you know what you said, it's important. I think also the mission statement has to match the quality and the quality has to match. And that's how that's how you keep it moving forward. We got to do it the right way. One thing for sure. This is the reason why in hip hop like um, when you look at Ross, you look at Puff, look at e F, I'm gonna throw

you in that category. When you look at that and you look at these people, we're not into watch it anyway. So if these guys are behind this product, you know what I'm saying, These people behind this product, you should know that I cool. That means that they believe in it. You know what I'm saying. So we should believe in it, you know what I mean? Because and and that's a good point. I think. I think, I think we were gonna get there eventually. But you see it goes like

you're not. You didn't. You didn't hit up styles Pete. I didn't love I love Styles up this mute, but you didn't hit him up and say like, you know, send me this or I love that. You know? Can you people kept um promoting black seed oil so like it's like you're just drink black seed oil every day day.

For I never once hit Stiles P. I just like this product and I did it what it was was I just you know, Instagram, and I was just like, Yo, I'm out of my black seed oil, but I'm about to order that and they just sent it to me.

Really because I think about I think about Martell has been at you know, football player retired and he's a black author, and he dropped a book, and I just like every time you drop a book, I go and I buy, and I don't tell him I'm buying, and then I posed, and then I might buy five and pass it on to other people. But I also think about how many other football player, as soon as Martell has been a dropped a book, how many people just off the strip just say I'm buying that? All right?

But that but bro, but that, But that's what you're talking about. Where support support support support support? Anybody got your shots? Because I'm ready, you're ready, yes, sir? Yeah, I love this ship, by the way, I love this ship. Bro. Congratulations. So how has it been working with right, because you know, yeah today yeah yeah, yeah, we're gonna call him out. But how has it been working with the overall? Because like,

he's been that guy that teams have complained about. He's been the distraction that teams are complaining about So I imagine moving on in a lot of years, is that it does all right, because you know y'all like the coaches now, because you know what I'm saying, we talked about that all the time on the show. We actually had that whole distraction. Distraction. Well, yeah, that so they say that the nigga we wait too far. I know you they're kicking the ball and all the bullshit is

a distraction to the organization. But it's fun to entertaining to the fans. But that's don't say your bild. They didn't do that by the tickets an by the NFL network. But that's but that's the thing though to certain fans, because you have some fans that they're just old school. They're from the clubhouse, and this is what they don't want to see that ship. They want to see w's you know what I'm saying. Like, if you like, if you're hand in the business, what you want to see

your profit margin is big. You want to see all the other bullshit. So when they see oh, they're like, all right, they come the the circus. Yeah, that's what they call the showIn you don't want to see that a motherfucking monkey monkey. But I'm speaking for the coaches. The coaches they don't want to service to see that either. But if they know he don't go out there ball a lot more than these other guys, they're gonna let

They're gonna get fast. They're but and this is if he was here, this is what he would say the NFL, the NFL business is what er entertainment. And that's what I did. I entertained, so in his mind he feels like I was the show. I took a market that nobody talked about and put a big old light on it. But here's what I would say about because prime Time was that like the first time, like we've seen that superstar superstar like this come out and be flamboyant like that,

almost like a global other than Muhammad adel was. It was prompting. I would say, och Ocho took it to a whole another level. And like the the like what you see guys doing down the Juju Smiths, the Odell Beckham Jrs. Of the world, all they're doing is taking his blueprint right and it was it was Yeah, that's exactly, And this is what I would say about Ocho Um and my time with working with him, because I never understood why, like why isn't he on ESPN, Why isn't

he on FS one? Why does he have that deal? And I quickly realized that and learned that he wants he wants to have real conversations. Right, so when you see it's raw like you're go on ESPN and some of these shows, it's needed. It's great. You know, we get a lot of information. I'm on FS one, I'm on inside the NFL. But Ocho don't want to be talking about XS and those. He want to have that we got. What about Hey we did we good. We're talking about the Weather Channel. Listen, they didn't hear about

your show. I told him, I don't watch the Weather other than if Jim Jones do the weather. If Jim Jones will do the weather, I don't watch it. I go to the vault and I watched my brother weather Man. Yeah, tomorrow the second season. It's not so Friday, so you can check it out on Friday season. So the second season start tomorrow on Revote. Right, all right, dope, you Friday you can catch the Yeah, yeah, you're in the

weight room. Yeah, I just met the chimp. Actually, So I'm just I was in the house, just up in the car relaxing before that's what's up? O G. Hey, we gotta tap into the Weather Channel had me on bro I want to learn respond. Yeah, he's fondest. You don't want him, He's talking about her fondest way. Well, you know, I wanted to promote your show, my brother, me sitting here telling them how much we're proud of you, because when I watched the Weather, I want to get

it from Jim Jones. I don't want from anybody else. Brother, I love you. Take Jim ja. I love my brother. That's you. Gotta ya, Okay, I'm sorry I had to do Jim Jones ship already turn out ye turn over. Well, hey, I didn't gotta put it where I was taking to make earlier when I said that you had to experience on Ever's one and inside of the NFL, and and you on five sixty and Oino been on TV and the reason I love I am athletes because Fred Taylor

is smooth. Yeah, he do not as flamboyant, and I mean that in a positive way as far as camera lights and TV shows. So Fred was talking about young guns and O G. S and separating the mentorship. I said, that's it. That's that's why I thought the show was winning, because Channon is off the chain and you're a superstar at singular super stuff. But friend, beat to my heart, I would say that he needs to do hatline because he got it. He's always we're working on that. But

this is what I'm same to you. That's what we're saying the same thing. Fend Fred. Fred's thing is finances, money, like he could talk to you about the stock market, etceter exceter So that's why you don't see Fred etcetera, etcetera.

But when we launched the first season, it was like, okay, now on the second season to start, when people talk about iron Manthley, they talk about Fred Taylor free game and they talk about this boy right here free I should they talk about Yeah, two seasons, Okay, I'm nothing scripted right, No, like what was current events? You know, I'm saying, like we're talking about something that's all right and that's so funny talking about that's coming. That's that's

the that can capitalize on everything. You a lick, yeah, yeah, go to sleep. When he said at the beginning of show said I'm not gonna to go to sweep sometimes. Bro. Bro, we'll be shooting sometimes up story if you can. If that ship can work, bro, the ship will be stupid. All that ship is people have never seen. I've never bro, Bro, I'm going to sleep, do you. I don't wanna let y'all understand that this can be so dumb. Yeah, they don't like when the eggs bill when they kick in. Yeah,

you sing this just say with an X men this. Yeah, I've been talking about this. This is the most at least, this is the most go that way, man, we gotta count Listen, you give me the first team in this year too. Test. Everyone knows that's not only our first tape. And it's the first episode we're released in the one. We had other things and and and you know, I got a beautiful call, uh from from from from Brandon. And then when I was like, man, you know what,

I wanted them all. I was like, nah, man, I'll do the show whenever they want and appreciate you gotta that. And I was like, you know what, let me just I just I wanted to give you out your special first show. Yeah, yeah, I wanted to. I wanted to. I was like this is perfect. Like I was like, you know what, I might be greedy by saying, let's do us first, but so let me ask you have something Tom Brady and a Tonio Brown right now, the bucking Okay, the Buckings. Did you think they're gonna do

good anyway? First for me? Because all I was Brown? I was in New England for two years right, the wrong two years ship. But I mean just knowing Tom, you know, putting them with Brady. Then you got Chris Godwin, Then you got Mike Kevin's yep, you know what I'm saying. Then on the deference you got on the show, take on the show. Show you're trying to get us like Brot Channing, blank seat look ahead. That was Tampa had to makeup to to go get it done. They can't

be They really can't beat Drew Brees. The offensive line is is terrible, you know what I'm saying. So I don't know what's gonna happen on on that side, but they got they got the makeup to get it done. Uh my pick from the NFC for for for the Super bowls uh, don't even page. I mean, I'm drunk, Green Bay Packers, no fu, no, st I just don't

think a B and tongue can get it done. Right now, I'm gonna opposite the offensive line ain't good, and the defensive suspect I gotta I'm gonna opposite end of the spectrum. I look at that like, look, we know on the NFC you got Green Bay Top Dogs. I like Seattle, But when you think about that team that can come out of it, it's Tampa Bay. Tom Brady's on the mission right now, like I mean this, dude, he want another ring, but it ain't just like I want to dink and dunk like he trying to do it with

like three and fifty yards pass sent four touchdowns. Just look at the status the last second half of the season. On the A f C side, people think about the Kansas City Chiefs and no Essay or President, She's gonna be like, oh that's her team where she's from. But the Kansas City Chiefs day nice. But the Buffalo Bills, I'm telling you right, no, Bro. So for me, I look at the Buffalo Bios and I look at the Tampa Bay Bucks as the teams that could potentially go

to the Super Bowl. Tampa Bay Bugs and Buffalo bills. But you know what, but they're not throwing the ball enough to Gronk And that's why I think they're not as gronkowskis on Tampa Baby. Like Adam Sandler, he's been his crewel with him everywhere. He got everything. I'm saying the most. Ho this dude in Hollywood. I don't know if you're know no happy Gilmore? Yeah yeah, look his yard, Yeah yeah. Look Look at all the Adam Sandler's movies. It's all the same people. What does that say to you?

That's that's spires, spikes, that's filling in doing it. Yeah, I feel like you like dumb movies, say yeah, I love it? Yeah, yeah, so you would look at Mr Deed's Look at that movie. It's the same people in there, and you're coming a couple of coming in out, but always just day. So do you feel do you feel like he's the who take plan of comedy? Wow? He's the He's the will, He's Quat's bag. I'm sorry, which but i't go to no. I was just sad to do another shot, another shot. There ain't no way, There

ain't no way y'll do that. You'll drink like that on we don't see going light right, be going going going right, going like oh my goodness, harrd, I'm going with it. So so okay, everybody's up through me ice cube in my drone on San Angele the clippers. We gotta get essay a goods out here. We got let's get it what we got? Hold on a little tip? Right? What was the what's the white guy who dogs? Don't still got Cort saying some crazy ship by his girlfriend.

She dropped dime modem. Yeah, yeah, and he kept working her too. He kept something. But have you ever experienced, because that's one of the biggest things is black coaches in the NFL, Like we got my homeboy from Pittsburgh coach Tomlin and then they fired him. No, no, no,

they kept Mike Tomlin. Mike Tomlin been good good, that's the only one, right, No, no, no, we got So here's the thing when you talk about black coaches, the Rooney Rule was put in place for minority coaches to get an opportunity, right you fast forward what twenty thirty years later? The Rooney rule, basically the Runal rule basically says that when uh, when organization has the opportunity to hire general manager or head coach, they have to interview

a couple minority coaches. Okay, so here's so what you see is they'll bring in black coaches and it's really not a real interview. They're just trying to eat the quota. So you forward to where we're at now and today. We went into this year, this season season with four black coaches and I believe to black general managers. So now the NFL lad by Troy Vincent, black guy, is playing more things in place to try to incentivize coaches, I mean teams and organizations to actually develop and hire

minority coaches, general managers and and also coordinators. So so to your point when you talking about black coaches, this is actually a hot topic in sports, not just football but also basketball because you got James Harden and the other show all the smoke or boards. You know what the Stephen Jackson say about James hard You got a coach, you got a black coach there, and you instead of you stay in there and trying to you know, help him actually launched his career and get it done, you're

trying to run. So like I mean, that was a whole another discussion, but that's how that conversation is happening, and in the NBA and also the NFL. Wow, baseball is an interesting sport man, Like you know, even when you think about like when every guy when when it got when you know, the pandemic um global pandemic and then all of a sudden, George Floyd, that happens now racial tension, staring and now who we throw in the forefront? Athletes,

entertainers lead us. What y'all gonna do all right now? Is an athlete? What you're gonna do, You're gonna play, You're not going to told Lebron to shut up and dribble. But then when the vaccine came, they said, didn't take the vaccine? Why he ain't shut up and dribble? It's annoys to me. Yeah, I don't even know that. Yeah listen, So remember remember Lebron was saying I'm more than an athlete whatever whatever, and there was there was a person that said shut up and dribble and on Fox, Yeah

I don't want to. I don't want to blow them off, and so but yeah, I don't want to say I'm on the sad. They said shut up and dribble, and Lebron said I'm more than an athlete. But when this vaccine came out, that was the first athlete that they actually publicly, you know, put the broadcast. They said, Lebron, would you be our hero and take the vaccine? And I couldn't think of a better thing to say, No,

I'm just shutting up in dribblin. Oh that would have been like that's they told him to do, like not see. But that's the biggest thing. Though I killed that, but that's the thing they're trying to put him on the spot. You know, Like a couple probably about a month month and a half ago, I think the l A County Sheriff came out and said, Lebron, you're not uh telling

your people to not come out here in protests. He can't beat that voice, because bron Ce Brun is probably one of the biggest things that have come in terms of goats. He's probably one of the big next to Muhammad Ali and Michael Jordan. I know we was drinking Michael Jordan's to killer earlier, but let's just be clear, yea, the whole thing so taking Jordan's So let me just say something like a lot of these kids, you know, they wear the Jordan's. Actually I'm forty three years old.

I actually got to see these games, actually got to or whatever. But I've never seen my Jordan take a play you forty three forty three? Cong on, bro, Yeah, I knew. I'm listening to your fucking music, like like you're the motherfucker. I'm like, like legit, you know, I don't know what legit is, but I'm taking you about three years on three. I'm forty. He's done what I'm saying,

duck me up. I was generation so he can't hurt him do a political view and you know what back then, but nowadays it's like you can't act like you don't know what's going on. Like back then you just said, you know, I turn Mohammed Ali did it before him. Yeah, but he was different. He did, but he did nothing less. Don't said Jordan's at the time. With Jordan, Jordan could say, you know what, I didn't really know what's going on and I wasn't. Yeah, he could say that bron is

at an era where he can't say that. Not only that he's stepping up to the occasion. Does that make him a better athlete? You better person? I don't think pet profession. You know what. Overall, and this is just me, I'm gonna say, I think Brunn is a better athlete. We talked about be careful. You know, there's an argument think about athlete. Though Mike did what he did, Mike played too hard, right, Mike was a small forward, small

small forward Washington number. You know what I'm saying. The only thing come out of Washington is probably some some some bullet tens you know what I'm saying, some rare tens or ship. But it right. So Broun had done more for the culture. We're talking about athleticism. Bron can play every position. Mike, Mike can't play center. You know what I'm saying. Mike ain't gonna run the four Bronna run one, two, three, four and five, and he's gonna talk whatever the fucking coach I need from it. I

would like to be des advocate right now. That's what. Let me just say something that this is the people that you know, when you look at lebron legacy and you look at people who's next to lebron legacy, and you look at people who next to Jordan's legacy, there's something called killer instant and they said, Jordan's Kobe Killer. Like, I'll tell you how much I know Kobe didn't have killer instant. I've seen Kobe like well thirty one o'clock in the morning and Mr childs and I bust your ass.

And you know what Kobe did? He thought about it. He said, I'm gonna like he thought about playing me in Queen's Bridge. I'm from that fact. I'm not from Queen's Bridge, but Mr child on seven Street, the next bridge over. So I said, yo, we go to Queensbridge right now, you know what I mean? He he thought about it. He was like really, He's like, you think you could beat me? North? He that's the killer because

first of all, he supposed to laugh. And I'm telling you that do you understand you understand the analogy of the killer instinct? And do you think that has that all? You know? Sometimes I looked at Broun six eight two fifty,

you know, and I don't understand. We want to shoot the fifteen for the you know what I'm saying, I'm like, damn, run take it to the rack when but he's not the best free throw shooter, you know what I'm saying, and clutch he's not that, but at the end of the day, he's he's made it a lot more clutch shots than we give him credit for. Like Brown, is that dude? Yeah, But I don't think that was I

don't think that was the question. It was. More so it's like, in those defining moments, why didn't he pull the trigger? Why did he defer? Because I don't but I see on your on the ground, uh, speaking about Colin Kaepernick. Sorry to get deep, but we're gonna go there. And one thing you said, you said something you said, you know, I was thinking about my family. Yeah, I was thinking about my children. I was thinking about my mom, your parents, and back in two sixteen. So you didn't nail.

But then you started it off and you said, man, what I would have nail. So I mean, let me tell you why, because especially you and you understand is you get this right. So when Cat first took his knee in two thousand and sixteen, two thousand sixteen, and what he was speaking on, we already was hit to his brutality, police brutality, but he was also speaking on other things as well, just like correct but specifically that we we I grew up in that and and this

is the same part is we're trained to think that's okay. Right, So when Cat was first talking about it, it's like we built these callalysis. Then we're not training to think it's okay. We trained and think that that's normal, that police mutality. Correct but not not it's okay, thanks for correcting, you know what I'm saying. So when Cat did that, I was like, like, we've been on that. We know that, Like this ain't no big deal, you know what I'm saying, Like,

why why are we not? We We've been We've been dealing with that. So for me, it was less about taking a knee, and it was more so about like what's the next steps? You know what I'm saying. So now you're saying two thousand sixty and this is the difference between the NFL and the NBA. Made you regret not taking this step, It's because I felt like it got worse. It got worse after no no, no, no no. I felt like that was a moment, right Like now it's kind of like what you said, Like you know

what you said. It's like Michael Jordan compared to Lebron James, like today you have to have a viewpoint if you're a company, if you're a person, where do you stand? You know, blackout Monday whatever we call that, if you ain't blocking out people on following you, etcetera, etcetera, etcetera. So you gotta have a viewpoint. I feel like it's easy to talk about black lives matter now. I feel like it's easy to take a knee. I feel like it's easy to put on a shirt to say, uh,

you know this person, that person. That's easy. Two thousand and sixteen it was hard. So for me, it's like you got a brother sitting there talking about what he's talking about why we didn't come together in the National Football League, And it was the same thing in the NFL, like we were divided, we didn't come together, and I and I'm gonna come back to the entertainment business because I felt some type of way. But like then you go to that, you shift from two thousand and sixteen

NFL guys not taking a knee. Then you go to the NBA, It's like, what are y'all gonna do? What they did is they all put on a black shirt or something saying what they said and they moved on. They were on the ain't page I respect that, but it wasn't like no movement, right. I felt like it

was that was an easy way out. But let me have yeah, let me tell you the other thing I felt like because in two thousand and six, and you gotta understand when I was walking in the locker, when I walk, when we walk in the locker room and practice after practice, we're talking after practice Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, we got forty cameras in their face. I'm sitting here with my tad on. There's forty cameras in my face every day. The Brandon we're going to at this point

just bloggers, ESPN, NFL never every single day. So we got to answer these questions, and we got entertainers and we got other people talking about y'all need to take a knee, y'all need to take anee. And I'm looking at it like when you did your concert, did you take your knee? Or and you running this company, why you ain't taking knee? So that's what I was conflict conflicted with was and they don't just need to put

the pressure on the athlete. That's not our just our sole responsibility to carry this load, you know what I mean. So that's what I that's where I was at in two thousand and sixteen. But I wish what we would have done in retrospect is that we would have came together. But the NFL, at times it's too divided amongst the players, Like like if you call a person to hang out, they're thinking that you're being like competitive? Is that something

like that? Like let's what was like, No, it's just more so like we were, so it's what we talked about, supporting each other, etceteraly we so we think about you know, our ourselves, our brands, our companies, our businesses, and even when it comes to this moment, you know, instead of us coming together and saying, you know, let's all take a knee together, let's all do this together, we don't

think about that. We think about like, Okay, well I got this deal with Nike, I got this deal with Beats about dre you know, I got this you know, so with instead of collectively understanding what we talked about earlier in the show, the power that we have if we come together, like you like, um, I imagine um you know Drew Brees, Drew Brees has something really really like he was like I don't understand why people are just specting the flag, and that's not what Colin did.

Is disting with backing though. What happens if you hear a teammates say a comment like Drew Brees, how is that locker room after that? Like it depends on the situation, like Drew Brees, It's okay to feel how you feel. There's nothing wrong with what he said. But no, no, no, no, no, no no mean no no, it's nothing wrong with he's saying because when he said was very honorable, right, like

your your grandfather served, and we get that. We unders but that's not the conversation, right right, you know what I'm saying, It's about the timing. We're not talking about the flag. I'm never talking about the flag. He was never talking about it. So what happens is when you start, when you start pushing the conversation to the flag, you're now taking away that what we're talking about the priority, and that's black lives matter. That's flag exactly. And that's

what the NFL did in two thousand and six. Team, that's what so many other people did in two talking about the flag. That's not what counting the Kaepernick said he took a knee because out of respect for the flag, right, because he sat there with someone that served and said, what do I do because it's not about the like, I'm not trying to disrespect the people, the men and women who served, right, So he said, it's like just taking knee instead of sitting down. He's taking knee, And

then what do we do? Everybody talking about the flag. It's never about the flax. So now were four years later, George Floyd, Brianna Taylor, all these people lose their lives and now Drew Brees, you go and you're talking about the flag again. No, you had Malcolm. You have Malcolm Malcolm Jenkins his teammate crying. You're talking about Drew Brees on your teammate and I lost all respect for you. That's when he apologized. But what do you think no

more because y'all see it's coming out apologize. How did how did that go across? Was it too late? The thing is everybody can trying to right this Roger, the commissions. Everybody's trying button up. I think he realized, you know, in the midst of of everything that we in the midst of everything that was going on, right, we can

bring back. I think it makes more sense that we can hold it that he went in the direction that he went because she came from the NFL about because it made sense to me when he when he found out that it was already a movement and the big celebrity came over as far as let's say, Jay Z and a lot of people were already conducting a lot of conversations around the whole situation. Then he was able

to say, we should have listened. But you can always go back and say that, right, you know what I'm saying. But it's it's easier to button up and be politically correct than to run out there and stand on your own shoulders and your own two feet. That's what Cap did when everybody Nobody thought it was sexy when they did it. You know what I'm saying. We got behind Cap, but everybody was like, that's and they still try to deflect what the real picture was. It was never about

the flag. They still run that bullshit to this day. The last day they're right now then then the Capital doing the stupid ship right now, and they're gonna blame it on that, you know what I'm saying. But it ain't never been about it. It's never been about And if you want to go further, you know, you got people in position that they will come back and say,

all right, veterans. You know they disrespect veterans. I'd rather for you disrespect disrespect a piece of material then disrespect that the actual people that went out there and fought for their fucking lives and for our freedoms. So on one end you got the presidents and oh, you're disrespecting a piece of materials immed. But on the other end, he's saying, you know what these cowards like, why the fund did they go out here and defend this country?

They're stupid at their grave sites and he wouldn't go. Well, the reason why she's important to this conversation because in two thousand and sixteen she was actually at the League office. So essays President of House of Athlete. We're partners, she's my co founder, and uh she has an interesting not an interesting perspective, but she has a powerful perspective. And not only because of two thousand sixteen. But think about this, when did the second, the second move the second, the

second movement of the civil rights? Uh, the second started with yeah, the second Movement of the Civil Rights era? What was what was that? Trayvon Martin was two and she was right there with the family. Okay, okay, and you had the call when yes, you worked for the NFL. Yes, So after law school, I went to work for the NFL films and then I went to the NFL League

Office and did legal there for four seasons. Wow. See, And this is this is very like great because people say not the only they don't hire black, but now they definitely don't hire a black woman. So you're a person who was employed. Yes, Well, the league office is definitely in a better position when it comes to diversity than the teams. I would say, Um, so there's a lot of black people that work in the league office. There definitely can be more in leadership. I mean we

really only see Troy Vincent and a few others. Um. But yes, I was there during the time and it was really interesting just being in the office and nobody is talking to us at work and we're seeing kaepern McNeil people. You go the other cook out and your cousins is like, oh, you would sellout you work for the NFL. And it's like so we're literally Emily Office, like, please tell us that we're not black balling, you know, Kylin Kaepernick, because we obviously don't want to be sellouts.

But we also understand the other side of it too, and there's always, you know, three sides of the story, as they say, Um, but yeah, it was interesting. So let me ask you something because this is something that I hear. Um. I forget what radio host it is what they say. I think it's Stephen A. Smith. Stephen A. Smith says, you know, Karlin Kaepernick's position is a wonderful position, but he has to explain it. And that's something that like, like, he has never really did. I'm sure I wish you

did drink, Chaps, but I might not platform. That's something that was a problem is because he was kneeling, but he wasn't really being articulate. He was saying, it's four police brutality, but he wasn't out there like campaigning it like interviews. I think it definitely made it more complex because people wanted to hear from him and more of

an interview format. But I also think when he was answering questions in the locker room that season, everything that he said was twisted and taking the wrong way so exactly, like you know, and then he wore the socks with the pig cop on it. So I think a few of those things happened. And whether it was him or his management team, I think he's read by w and me. They probably were like we just like silence, like because

everything you say is going to be twisted. And then I think it became about the it became about veterans, and it became about the troops when it has nothing to do with that. But you know, that's just so that's a war you cannot win. And the NFL is so entrenched with the military, Like you go to games,

there's tanks over. It's so entrenched with it. You know, there was you know, there's a there's an actual contractual partnership with the with the military, so in a good way, right, Like we want to we want to show love to the people serving our country. So when someone says you're anti troops like that, that's just not a conversation you're going to win. Let me ask you, some sister, what was it as your position? Um? So, yeah, I was contract coordinator. So I was in the legal department at

the at the league office. So I did all of the business contracts where it was sponsorships or consumer products, working on Super Bowl contracts, the entertainment for Super Bowl. So but I also started our Black Engagement Network, So I basically corralled all the black employees and gave us a safe space to talk. But then we also challenged the NFL and wanted to work with the NFL leadership to help them be better to the black community, right like, we're like, look, we work for you guys, we love

the NFL. Somebody and the NFL for get well. I think it was talked about it. It might be more yeah, it's over black and minority. Were there the sec to where you were telling them, um, you know, I think it was an interesting time and that they weren't under so much scrutiny. They certainly were not prepared. They were called yeah, like they were like okay, cap, Cap is kneeling. But once it became about the flag and about the military, and again they're so intrenched with the military, it's such

a part of the NFL brand. I really don't think that they knew what to do, and they didn't have, you know, all the right voices in the room. And I think the few voices that were in the room. Do you think they saw it as a PR nightmare or was it a culture issue for them? It absolutely

started as a PR nightmare. I don't think that they and I don't think the NFL has ever considered themselves as an organization that had to speak on these issues, like they always like, look, we're sports, like, we don't have to get into the nitty But that was the first time that the country and the fan base said, I actually do want to know what you think about these issues, like I do care if you think black lives matter? How important is it for Cabinet and uh

A Dvornai to be doing that documentary? I think it's huge. I mean, I think everybody wants to hear from cat right, like everyone wants to hear from him a different name name he did? Now they see us? What did it when you see us? So? What are they doing though they're doing a documentary? I mean n him right, um, And I mean he has a lot of content and then um, you know, in the works, and that's where he really seems to be focusing a lot of just feel like I feel like I was I was all

I'm all with Cat. I just wanted him to explain a lot of people. And I think I've got a lot of people like that. Yeah, I'm not with Stephen and a lot of things. And he's from Queens and I really respect him. But it's just, you know, it's just okay. It's it's okay to disagree. I don't have no beef for him, Like I see him up be like, what's up? Broke? Yeah, And I don't know if he's he's happened to somebody like that than Queens though, like

when they like legit, I don't know. Let me leave that alone, you know, Like I feel like us is different for me, but I don't feel like he's trying to be. But what I'm saying is when he did say that about Cap, he said, he said, my only thing is I want a cap to talk like I wanted to talk and and and everything. Yeah, because you're you're the face of a movement, and and like you started this conversation. So when you start this movement, right, like where is the leader at? And that's where a

lot of the NFL guys struck. He was the leader. But that's something movement, like someone do something symbolic not knowing that they would have to speak on that. Yeah, I don't think. I don't think cap knew was going to turn into this and it'll be this big. But you are like right now and that's it. It's like, oh my goodness, like this dude. At the end of the day, we're gonna look at it. Is like when

we think about the civil rights movements. Literally he's in the museum for he literally indecent enshrined the hair, like he's a part of history already. I just think that his strategy was let the people speak for me what they did till this day. The people are speaking for cat and that's that's the strategy. May not agree with it, but that's a strategy. Or did the settlement check for a little bit? And not only that? I remember, remember I remember, um, all of us black people want Nike

made a deal with him, Yeah Nike. We all went and research. Everyone was like your Nike. And then there was an ad to say, you know, guess what, like he also supports the other side, but what big corporation doesn't. Yeah when when when that night he commercial came out and they sent a message over political injustice and it sent the message over what's going on today? And then

at the end they put CAP's face. He had nothing to do with the commercial order message that you send a message out on we're gonna be understanding and we're gonna support Cat. But it was just his face on a commercial. And then the next day the stocks went up because everybody said not get with him. Yeah, but it was right right you your You gotta treat you like wrangular gas a little corner. That's no, no, not that's not your that's not you're my friend and me

and your family. That's okay, man. But I really, I really when I when I when I watched football, I really thought the only thing that made me start thinking like there's discrepancies that happened in football was things like ball is any given Sunday and things like that, because I never really cared about what happened do you get to the finish line. I didn't care what happened in between the finish line, as long as you got to the finish line. And that's fucking so terrible of me

as a fan. As a fan, I should be just as indulged and involved. And when we hear stories like this, the journey of you know, I tell you, I tell you know how much science you dropped today? And you said how much a player has expand from three to four years. And there's some kid right now that's listening to this and say, well, I'm gonna kill it in that three or four years. All right. But but the thing about what this kid is saying is twenty one when you come in to the NFL, y'all start rapping

seventeen sixteen. You know what I'm saying? When week in the NFL you twenty one, one, three or four years, that's the life expectancy. You're twenty five for a lot of these guys where they come from. Five. What the fund you're gonna do at twenty six through forty? But that's average lifespan of American citizens like sixty four or sixty five years old when you retire, you see the three what are you gonna do? From the black man for open locking? Thirty five? Because you're a pressures, you're

from Phocky, you're about twenty. You're that pressure for real. They're not sucking around. So what you're gonna through from five to fifty, that's half, that's a whole another plus times too. You know what I'm saying. So when you're in the NFL, when you're in that window, we come in there saying, right, I just don't get paid. We're not thinking business unless you That's what I'm saying. Unless you this. Yeah, you know what I'm saying, Like, no,

what is that? I don't know what that if you're white. But we don't come from that culture. We don't come from the background where people know about life insurance. You know what I'm saying. They don't know how to monetize that. We don't come from where you gotta be button up and uh, this is a real structure. So you just dropped the gym and you went too fast for monetizing life insurance. That's a that's a that's that's yeah. Yeah, we're in America. The oldest business in America's banking. The

next oldest business is insurance. Isn't the oldest business prostitution. It's teaching, Yeah, it's teaching, teaching, you know, but but this is the problem. Teachers don't make enough money. Absolutely, and nobody think about teaching, and they don't getting they wanted right now. They want it right now. So let's talk about banking. But more importantly, let's talk about insurance is the biggest fucking pyramids. You're gonna pay insurance your

whole life. You might not have to never use that ship. But guess who get rich the insurance company. So we're gonna figure out how we get paid. So life insurance. We never been put on that game. You got a homeboy, you you probably got not you are you like for for for at them. But let's say your health bad as a motherfucker, right, you can have a homeboy who's an evaluator who's gonna come in and see what type

of help you qualify for it. He can you a plus one on one the top health you know, uh premium, the lord's premium, but the top health that you can qualify for that scam or no used to scamum great health. You might be a one low premium. You can get a five million dollar policy. You can die tomorrow. Oh no, my bad. You can die yesterday because the insurance they say you can die yesterday, not tomorrow. They don't want to jink you. But you canna die yesterday. Your policy

might be five million. Guess who's gonna be the beneficiaries of that? You might be paying ten thousand dollars a year. But in order to get a five minute dollar policy, you got a million dollars in debt. They pay your debt off. You got a five million dollar policy. Your kids they get four million in their banks in the bank. Yeah, the white people have been doing that ship for centuries. Black folks don't know ship about that, about it now because I like, it's not it's not it's not like

it's not a bad thing. It's not it's not like it's not a bad business. Yeah, yet understand that, know how it affects you. But think about stop being stop thinking so day to day generational Like that's what we got, generational wealth. So when am I leaving to my kids kids? So I feel like I can leave my kids how much money? And then what are they gonna do with that?

But but also the thing is we got to add a conversation with our kids about like this is why daddy, this is why mommy making these moves right, So like why like you know, they pull up to our property. My kids are five years old, they can say this's a commercial realists, commercial real estate, it's investment property. They understand at the age of two and three, I'm talking to my kids and I'm like, here's your fund, like every every quarter. I'm talking to my financial advisors, right,

and they're talking to me about my portfolio. We got stock in here. We're playing the loan game there. You know, we got this mutual bun. We got this bomb and then also we got our our our state planning in place. So my kids is straight. My wife people that don't correct to think about this. So at that at the age of two, I'm sitting in Dumbo. I'm in New York playing for the Jets, and I remember I remember saying, that's fun. And I said, like they I know they too.

They can barely damn talk. They don't have a full vote like the fast right. So I'm sitting down. I'm like, I'm gonna start this conversation now. I'm like my financial virless had explained to them, don't tell me tell them about their money, because then they're five and they can tell you that daddy. You know, my son told me the other day, he said, Daddy don't want a car. He just turn six December seventeen, Z three. Marshal. He said, they don't want a car, and he got like these

little four wheelers. I said, okay, what other four whitherers? You want something? He said, don't want a real car. He's someone Lamborghini. I said, okay, we're gonna set up a business and I'm gonna teach you how to get that and by the age of twelve, you're gonna have

that Lamborghini. Okay, and then we're gonna buy the one that appreciate so and that's when we an't what they said, right, all right, hope, Hope is God and in the culture right Tom Brady and Ship, he didn't get there just by being who you had people you know in this pipeline that say, all right, this is how you know, this is how you structure your ship. This is how

you get to where you want to be. We have people in pipeline, but those relationships that you gotta take hold of and manifest, right, because we don't always know. I ain't know ship about life insurance. But that's a play, you know what I'm saying. At the end of the day. And if you got those relationships, because I firmly believe that life is I need per cent when you know what you get to this point that you can't go further.

The relationship that you're holding you keep, it's gonna take you first networking, You don't you don't have the same people around you though, like you think about it, the white the white player, they have an uncle that's a lawyer, another uncle that they have an unclottle father that played in the sport before them. But they have they have a parent, a father, a grandfather that played in the sport before that, my father White people. Yeah, but but but but this ship is so deep, but it goes

was back so so much further. Like I mean, they we were taught in condition to think a certain way. But but but but like everything is come, it comes back to relationships. Right, So if you had people in position to teach you and show you, all right, I like you, I'm gonna show you how to get it. Your job is to show the next one next get it. You know what I'm saying. But we don't always do that.

We don't take advantage that. So in terms of just going back to life insurance, right, you smell you, you pay a small premium, you go in three million dollar whole life policy. It might cost you on an annual basis, No, no, no, twelve bingo for for some companies happen in the sex. Some some companies you can going off yourself like we were cool. Right. No, no, no, no, I'm just telling you what we're just talking about. No, Mo'm gonna tell

you we type men you I can be. I can work for the insurance company as a as a examiner. I'm coming to you. I know you're health fucked up. You you you out of here in the month. I just think it right here, right, but you got to go. But I can come to see. I can come to you. You know you got thirty days left this weeks. Keep it up here. I got thirty days, you got thirty day. I can come to you and get a one prefer come ahead thirty days like you gotta go. I'm gonna say, girl,

I'm right now. I'm gonna ten thousand a month. Ten thousand a year is your premium. Girl. But for that ten grand, I'm gonna give five mill if Earl got a million dollars in debt. But I'm gonna give Earl five mill right when he when he expired, Earl funked up. I'm not supposed to give Earl the preferential to one credit but you in. But we're cool. You know what I'm saying. Insurance is a scam because we got a relationship. Understand the game. You know what I'm saying, it's the game.

So a Earl, your your health. You bad been You've been die in thirty days, Earl. But I'm gonna give you Top one, which is the cheapest premium. You gotta pay ten bands. You play the ten bands, you get five million insurance. Right, you got a million dollars debt. When you die, guess what your family get five meal minus the meal you're not. Your people get four million dollars. But that has to be ran or is that like part of the will or that that's what we're talking about.

Think about the people don't know that you gotta think about to catch it down. We think about Look, we got this amount of time, three or four years to make our money. We got to be conservative. So when I think about the stock market, I'm not going in the stock market thinking about Neo is the number one stock more and my neighbor told me at the beginning of pandemic, invest in Neo. It's an electric car over

an Asia somewhere doing this number one. But we can't you know why I didn't make that investment, Because no, it's not because I don't trust him. I trust him because he lived next to me and he got a big old house. He's good, good, he's been doing it

for fifty years. The reason why I do it because they tell us, as at professional athletes, you gotta play the loan game in the stock mark because if you study the stock market over ten twenty years, don't matter what happens, you ride that wave out because this is the curve right. So so when you're sitting down as a professional athlete, we're taught, you know, like, look, we

gotta be conservative. So they present to us the insurance like the you know, the life, the life, the life insurance policies, and they sell you that this is an investment vehicle. It's not really about when you die because we don't really need to I don't need to have life insurance because I got thirty forty million cash in the bank that I can get to right now, or in the market I can get I can make liquid right now, but life insurance. So the goal is the

goal isn't that? But it doesn't matter what you at. The more shots you at you know what I'm saying, Like you might not get you might not get ten million, but you can maybe ever leave your your family. For me, my grandmother got life insurance on you know, a policy, and if she passed right now, there's a million dollars right there. And guess what, there's a there's a there's

a uh, there's something. I'm not gonna go out there as well that they do that intentionally, like, look, I have life insurance and this is gonna go back to the family, and this is how we create generational wealth. But but what we sunk up at is what b was saying, all right, you a lot of rappers are gonna they're gonna go I got my shot. I'm gonn let you get away with that. You know is double every time you let me take my lifestyle. Yeah, every show that we got to do right now, but I finished.

Let me get back to my point, right, A lot of a lot of rappers out there that's going to go and get the two d fifty dollar Uh watch what not? The paddock? The paddock? You know what I'm saying, what was that? So instead of doing that, let's just say they're taking ten thousand a year that's the two watch. They're taking ten thousand a year on life insurance and putting in a life insurance. They're gonna get a policy

that so three meals they get. You know, and now you're in the you in the position where your lifestyle it's in a fortunate situation, but your lifestyle resting piece of king Vugh. You know what I'm saying. When you live that type of you know that that action. You know what I'm saying. You gotta protect your life. You're gonna look out for your people when you're alive. You said, I want to look out for my people, But you gotta understand generational wealth. I wouldn't look at my for

my people when I'm out of here. My man just gonna look out for him. Life insurance gonna look out for him. If you're gonna go off on the ten two fifty dollar watch, that's twenty five years at ten thousand dollars a year premium. How many times? But we don't know that I can be getting we we we we we don't know that. If you're in't debt. If you werein't debt, you got three million dollar life insurance policy you and that a million dollars you die, right,

the policy is gonna take care of your debt. Now you've got one point five million to get to your jets as the beneficiary. But they don't teach us that I don't know that ship because I know, I know a lot of people don't have Jones said. We had Jones on earlier. You know, um, he said that being a rapper it's the most dangerous job in America. They all agree, you know what, you know what the reason why it seems like today the reason why I agree this is why I agree this. This is this is

why I agree. You look at perception, you look at the music. You know, people can't differentiate between entertainment in real life and reality. You got people following Jim Jones, that's gonna say, all right, he talked about uh, we know whatever you're talking about, gangster bricks, whatever it might be. You got a lot of young boys that's following him that that love the culture. Right, they can't differate, differentiate

between the two. They might go out there and try to run bricks, but they might go out there and try to keep the three six five and the hill. You know what I'm saying. So they can't. They can't figure hear it out. Hold on, they can't. They can't figure that out. So that's the best gun on the market already. So but they can't deferate between the two. So who who's leading them? You know what I'm saying.

So at the end of the day, the reason that becomes dangerous because you've got real gangsters out there that think this nigga who're talking about it, running around with it. So when we when we meet up, I gotta get a jump on you. So you gotta keep your head up. And that's a I think it's like a tugger ward a lot of tension in the rap game right now, because what I look at is like the o g s in the game right and I'm gonna start with Hove,

but we all know who Hove is. But you can see how Rick Ross is moving down even to change you fat Joe, showing that when the game is over, you can go get a bigger bag creating content I shoose podcast, right. But then there's this generation now where's kind of like we're going backwards where they like, you know, uh being affiliated, you know, talking about shooting and killing like y'all took the whole game to a whole another level, like this is where he was, but now we're mature.

We got exposed to this. I've been through this. I was at Death Jam Earth said this to me. I didn't understanding at this point. Now four years and six years and ten years and I traveled the word you said, dudes the doorf Germany. Correct, dude, the door Germany. A lot of people don't understand that you traveled the world exposed,

and you always say this exposure equals expansion. So you're coming back and get shilling the game, like yeah, that's what we was talking about, but think it's different now. But so now you've got these o g s on this side talking about, like let me go buy a title because we're talking about streaming, and then like let's be let's own. You're talking about, let me create drink Drink Champs, and then I can I can franchise this the same way they franchise see inside of Miami cs

Cside Vegas. So now we're gonna go to Drink Smoke Champs. Let's pick up to Um yeah yeah yeah he Didduce, and let's also pick up Drink Champ boys front of Social media chan sports, and we didn't spend it. We're doing that. We're doing that not looking We're trying to get warrants at the host drink chap sports. We don't think I want to do it about that. So now

you got like he teaching us the game. Like even when when he called me, he said, yo, you know, let's you want to come to the show, etcetera, etcetera. And I'm talking about what I'm doing. I'm like, look, I'm really learning this right now. He's like, all right, I got you. Boom boom boom boom boom. I said, what like that? He said, yeah, he teaching me the game. Right.

So but now you got to other young rappers on on the other side, and they're talking about they think that's the thing, you know, selling drugs, killing whatever, right, Like, if that's your lifestyle you live, we all come from those places. But you just brought up something something so so beautiful just right now. It is because a lot of people they don't want to bridge the gap, right. I want to ask you. I want to ask you because me personally, I know that there's a lot of

young brothers I want to talk to. They're gonna have those three four years in the league the same way, and they're gonna be gone. But some of them are so arrogant. I don't want to waste my time because I remember when I was there. But that's why I gotta keep, you know, jury on, I gotta keep all the gotta keep so they know, like nigga, I ain't heard nothing, I ain't none. Listen, I got what you got. I got that shot out that. That's our culture. Most

of them, it's unfortunate that won't. They won't one. So it is that like that talking about that today, I was on, you know, inside the NFL talking to Kill Sims and it's like, I'm a wide receiver, played thirteen years in the National Football League. Then my numbers is crazy. Reach out to these things and there's nothing. I actually reach out to the dudes, and I was dumb, you know, I would say dumb because I did what I was

supposed to do. I reached out to him. I'm like, yo, let me show you how I made it the thirteen years and how I did what? Huh, Antonio Brown. I reached out to Broum. I do like a b you know what I'm saying. And I think that you know, we all go through things and I never had that discussion. But I reached out to him. We never had that discussion similar situation. Probably you reach other people like I

can't get that call back. Definitely did, but but it's it's it when you're not relatable anymore, Like when you're talking about that that that is so true. They don't see what you want from me. Oh you're hurting right now? No, bro, Like I got everything I need. I'm just trying to show you. See, they don't want to talk to you. They think you want something from them. So there's a lot of wide receivers or people guys in the NFL that I reach out to and they won't even train

out my facility. They don't even text return my call. And we talk about college kids and I'm like, bro, were you trying to go? I did that at the highest level thirteen times. But they had a level of celebrity that you guys didn't have, right, Like social media has made them like they're in college and they're literally celebrities. Y'a wouldn't have that, and NFL players are literally not

you know, you have to helme. A lot of people go to the girl support, and people will not know who you are unless you're in that earlier you have the thing. But these these kids now, like if you play for a big school, you probably have a hundred hundred couple hundred thousand followers right Like you're already a celebrity in your head, So your ego is going to

be so much more inflated. Like NFL players are just going to be more down to earth than NBA players because a lot of them, you go only where people literally don't know who you are. Like there's NFL players that you're at the door of the club and they're gonna be like, yeah, I'm sorry, Like I don't know you know what I mean fights. I got to Miami when I was y'all coming down here, like you don't know who I am. I just went to the propol. Let me tell this is different, is different street. Let

me tell you what I was playing for. My last Cup of team, my last Cup of Team New York Giants two thousand and eighteen. We stunk it up. I was stay not taking it up, goat. I ain't know nothing about no Supreme bro, Like I'm like, you know what I'm saying. I don't really find close. So I'm out in New York. Everybody talking about Supreme, Supreme Supreme. So I pulled up. I'm hurt. Now, I'm done for the year. I'm with my wife. I go to SOHO and I see this line wrapped around the New York

the area area. I see a line wrapped around the corner. I pull up and I'm like, where's these people? Like three blocks and I get to the front and I see Supreme and said, oh, that's the brand that O'Dell Backham Junior talking about and Sterning Shepherd. Let me go check them out. Let me pull up now anywhere I go in the country like they're like, oh, yeah, that's love, come on in. I go to the front of the line. I'm like, yo, it's just me and my wife. I'm harbling.

I just had surgery. I just I just want to check the brand now. I really like, you know, I'm hearing a lot about it. You know, I'm late to the show, you know, but I want to see what I'm talking about. No, no, no, no, no, this is what they This is what the bouncer told me. He said, bro y'all got three wins on the season right now, and you yo, I see yo. Even we were in Miami,

no more, no sixteen. Even they they told me something back and like you ain't getting it, and I said, I just want to go check it out me quick. He said, go to the back of the line. And then that five sold. He was big, but it was like six. He was big. Y. I ain't. Don't think about nothing. I don't my mom like I really lost it because I felt kind of disrespected my wife, like like you understood. People get to pull out their phone right now. You're tripping right now, like I lost it.

But Miami ain't too far off to you. Ain't got five kicks with you in the line. Back in the line, buddy, don't get anyone. You shot it ready board. I'm sorry, the boy says the biggest shot, because that's I said, taking what the boar today, y'all taking care of nor I know the game. You should have plex with you in Miami. Let's go place the heat on it. Let's keep the heat one. When he when he shot himself, that's my little brother. I'm not just when I want money.

When he caught that ship on his helm against Patriots, Yeah, he brought the big boy because I will be honest. When when Pleax got corp with the gun shot it sell, that's when the public knew that it's no different from y'all and rappers. You know right, y'all be having sudden house. This is my thing, re plex and that's my little brother. I text him before I came. You know what I'm saying. He told me to tell you what's up. That's name, So my my thing with Plexes. I'm like, yo, uh

he from v A, Virginia Beach Vig Newport News. The boys Virginia dudes, they something else. Dude, it's like our Philly, right Virginia. You know they watched it. But I told Black, I'm like, yo, bro, fun that glock ain't no safety on it, ain't no satans on the block. So here in the club and why, you know what I'm saying,

in the middle of the city. And sweatpants. So he trying to keep it in his hip, but the sweatpants loose, so when it fell, he just tried to catch it from falling and he shot his self in the leg. And he was just going out to chill. You know what I'm saying. Behind Bloomberg at the time, he won't having it. So they prosecuted hard, and the next thing you know, he was up by Syracuse, locked up and vegetation was the only thing we could do. But he

got through it, you know what I'm saying. But still for the young boys, like you gotta do whatever you gotta do to get by, but his rules you gotta follow. Like I feel like rappers, they're always on guard for being rock. I feel like I feel like I feel like athletes. Sometimes we obligous, you know what I mean, Like when you at roper, like a lot of times, you know, you you think when you think about the rappery, like, oh, he comes from the street, he understand he affiliate, etcetera, etcetera.

So you understand the streets. You understand how to move in the streets. Athletes, we really college boys. We went through the system, come from a discipline. We come but yeah, but we come from we come from send me present of us, come from the same neighborhoods. But we know that kid gonna make it. We know we're gonna make it.

So he good, you know, he good good? Right, So we come through this system and then when we get to the league, what happens is you start going to Miami, you start going to New York, you go to Vegas, you go some of these bigger markets, and you don't understand that how to move in those areas rappers like, it's that's the lifestyle. You understand that we're going to the same places. We don't got no bouncers, We ain't got no security. I'm the man, I'm this, I'm that

in New York. Taught me that lesson, right, Like I went to New York and and and just me, my wife, my homeboy. He was in the league, and his fiance. We was at Marquis Nightclub and we're sitting there and the fight breakout next to us. We ain't got nothing to do that. We're just chilling. I ain't got no security, ain't got none of that. I just signed one of the biggest deals in NFL history for at the wide receiver position, the biggest deal right went over with Larry Fitzgerald.

I'm sitting there feeling good, chilling, no problems, fight breakout and coming to our our spot. You know, I'm I'm like, yo, like chill, chill, And then it happened again. Chicks fighting, but they deep dudes. Everything bottles start getting thrown at the end of the night, so my wife get hid in her mouth. Boom, split everything open. I don't know how we made it out of there, because like, I just remember everybody coming and I pick up my wife and I'm going, I just like, I get my wife

out of here. I get her out of there right after that, right, you know what I'm saying. You know, I was sued. A lady said that I'm the one that did it because she saw the opportunity Brandon Marshall, the football player did that had nothing to do with that. Four years my name dragged through the mud. I go to court. I'm going through everything. We got the footage, we got all of that, but I'm getting crushed. I ain't gett no marketing deals, nobody touching me. Oh this

is boom boom boom, boom boom. We finally I get my day in court. They showed the footage that ain't Brandon Marshall throwing a punch, Brandon Marshall holding his wife right, And in that moment, it taught me something. And then this is what I always teach my guys, because every year we're bringing around thirty college guys going to the draft. We house and we feed, and we do all their medical we prep them for for the for the combine. And I always tell them, I'm saying, like, all right,

we're gonna go out tonight. We're gonna go to Club Live, hottest club in Miami. Walk me through the whole scenario from eight pm to eight pm and eight a m. Next day. And and then they always missed one thing. Athletes, they always say like, yo, we get you take a club this and that. I'm like, where was the security? You don't got the security, but you know you can take an extra hundred dollars, two hundred dollars to the bouncer.

Just stay right here, right. So, New York taught me a valuable lesson is how to move like a boss. And that's always what I tell my guys. I say, you're you're a professional athlete. Moved like a boss. Right. You will never see a boss move go to certain places and not be protected and not do certain things because you are a target. New York taught me a valuable lesson figuring. So, so, what was your favorite thing

in in in the NFL to work with um? I would say, really just creating a space for black people. Oh sorry. You know before they didn't even use the word black. Like when I said I wanted to start the black engagement at work for black employees, they were like, so like, yeah, Like, can we just say minority people of color? I was like, no, we're saying black black. Our our experenses are different, and we have respect for other people's experiences, but ours are different and we should

have a safe space for that. And I feel like that's what made my time worth it at the NFL because you have these I see all the black players, they meet me and they're like, I didn't even know a black woman worked at They They're just not used to seeing it, right, even though you go to the big colleges, they don't live black girls around any football programs. They don't let black people around the football program unless you're coaching. So to see me, they're like oh, And

I'm like, okay, this is an opportunity. But I also think like we didn't feel heard. So that's what made my time worth it at the National Football League was creating a space for black people. And it's still there, it's still living on and I think that's what's important because NFL. The NFL had to realize that your black employees, like, they matter and you have to listen to them, just like your black players matter and you have to listen to them. And it's the same thing. So that's what

made my time worth it. And then obviously there's getting to work with players. And you know, I worked with Brandon, I worked with Julius when I was at the Carolina Panthers, Julius Peppers um the Julius Peppers. So I think we established this a little bit earlier. Like sometimes like the quarterback is like the even though he's not the leader, he's like the coach. Right. So now when you look at it, how many black quarterbacks we got? We got eight?

We got Dak Prescott, help me out here at the Jackson Baltimore, Ravens, Russell Wilson, the one we're talking about, right, No, you got Kyler Murray. No Murray, He's like we already. So we only got a handful. Last year was a year at the black quarterback though, like that was the most that there have been because people don't realize, I would say maybe even just ten years ago, we were told that you're not smart on to play quarterback like

Michael Vick was called athletic. He was never called smart, he was never called strategic, he was never called a football genius. My homeboy. But but nobody ever talks about

your words. I just wanted to defend him. As you know, now we're getting to the point where black players, I mean, even like Reggie used to be on the show, Reggie said that he used to be quarterback and then meeting him, let me let me, let me, let me, let me pick you up because you're all so right now I'm thinking of what the footage I watched of Michael Vicke. That's the exact word they use. They didn't use smart, because being a quarterback is you're you're watching the field.

This is a chest. You should be the smartest person you and the one is probably you. Absolutely, But when they're talking about they never because and Tom Brady they say he's a gene. They say football i Q. Even basketball, they never say that about black football players, and even

black like Lamar athletic. You're talking about Lamar Jackson. But Patrick Mahomes there now they're like, okay, he's smart, and he's but even still it's more so he's a freak like right, like they're still not saying like talking about him like Peyton Manning or Aaron Rodgers. And that's just a discrepancy. So you look at if you search football i Q and headlines, I guarantee you're not gonna find many black players that they're talking about. And that's why

we were so to your thing. That's why you know a lot of people was disappointed in Dwayne Haskins because it's like when you look at Dak Prescott, DeShawn Jackson, Deshaun Watson, excuse me, Russell Wilson has done for the position right and how the revolution because he pushed it forward, you know, like you know, like we're talking about simple coverage. You know, a lot of you might understand Shanshan not excuse me, Dwayne Haskins basically COVID nineteen protocols for the NFL.

You gotta do certain things. He was in the strip club. He didn't have a mask. Y'all got it, I got it. But that's that goes back to it. He's me, no, he's me right. But like we're coming into the NFL and coming into these positions, whether it's entertainment or basketball, we gotta understand how big the platform is and how big the businesses. So for him, he's coming in like I made it like no one. God, he wasn't at the door telling him like yo, I just want you

to know, don't celebrate. But like about a book, dude, No, no, that's not true. No that's not true. And we're not talking about No, he didn't do nothing terrible. He didn't do nothing about what it is. It's like when we're talking about culture and production. It's culture is like making sure you're doing the right things. And the quarterback you are, the CEO of the franchis to the face of the franchis. You gotta lead up and you gotta leave down alright, pop,

all right? So you got that. And then also from a production standpoint, just doing your job and and and that's what we're at. It is like, instead of you doing certain things, we need you to make sure when you drop back, you understand your progressions. You understand it's covered three, So cover three. I'm working this side. But if they flow to this side and it's covered one post not read. Now I'm going on this side, and now I go one to three, and you got do

that split you gotta do that like that. So now I come out to the line of scriments blue thirty two, Blue thirty two, the mic fifty fives the mic right, like you're getting all this information? All right, Pope, priests not read before I hike the ball. I know I'm working this side because of what the defense is showing me. Okay, So now I get the ball. I dropped back. They do something different. So now I had this process in place, so where if they if they stay what they was doing,

I'm gonna one to three back. That's what it is easy. But then they go to something else holding I'm gonna tell mother might to get there. So now they did something else. Post now took the ball. They went from here to here. Now I gotta go bang bang bang, And you got to do that in a blink of an eye. You gotta study, you gotta do your job.

So all these things that Russell Wilson, dak Presscott did, they now we're certainly had the conversations to essays point high football, i Q black quarterback is more than an athlete. So that's why you know a couple of people, well, people was kind of upset with the Wayne Haskins because not doing his job press on him. But it's the right one because if you do the right play, they're gonna congratulate you. You do the wrong play, they're gonna tell you why if he would have been producing on

the field, can suck on the field. Dwayne Haskins, junior from Washington Football Football. I like how you said, still make that mistake, make that mistake. I just want to shot my homie out. He's he coaches kids, so this is all very annortant. No mean him, let me talk, but it's gonna look but that's real though, he wasn't producing on the field. Like if you're if you're a star on the field, you're gonna get some grapes. But that's why I went into that story because all that

what I just said, I did that intentionally. I didn't do that to show you how much I know football. I'm saying, like, that's crazy. A lot of people don't understand. People probably think you go out there, you're just I'm just throwing the ball. And you know, there's a process. You gotta read and you gotta study. So you right back, Yeah, you gotta do it. You gotta do what you gotta want to stop, do a good job in the classroom

and make to show you're being a pro. And I think like to Fred's point, because we talked about this on the show, and a lot of times we crushed our guys and we had these conversations on these shows and we don't really reach out and say, look, all right, look you made a mistake. Now let us give you the game. And here it is. So Fred was like, look, we're gonna reach out to you and if you need us, we're here. You did that, Fred did that? Fred. Fred

to me, I already already said it. I like, I am athletes because of what you are and Channing because I listened to him on six AM in Miami, Andsinko's already we illuminated. But Fred to me feels like I know him, like I grew up with somebody like you. You know. So I relate to Fred tell a lot more than what I do with everybody else. But it's all love. But you know, to me, that's dope. I am athlete with a great idea of few fifteen. I'm

trying to lose weight, so I'm following that. I'm ting, but I do want to give a shout out because we drink champe Does as a podcast that we started four years ago to get flowers to all our five years ago, five years ago the legends when when when it comes to sports, you guys on a different regiment

as far as routine, health wise, execution, commitment. And for you to be one of the Bears top one hundred players, for you to be in a ten thousand yard rush club members club chanting to do his shin and Ocho Cinco to be everything he is to me, I'm a sports guy, like he said, coach kids, He's all up to you exactly, and for you to be beve bade Mouth City for everybody else does bring it out. We got some gifts. That's what it is you're talking about.

You're talking about am I good right here? Yes? Yeah, you're talking about like health and worldness and you're trying to lose weight. That's you know, we talked about finances earlier, but we also got to head that conversation see about helping wellness. So y'all talked to me earlier about what I want to do, Like I know, I want to own a team. My passion, my purpose is to help people eat better. Train better, so we're not struggling because how we eat and how we approach that like it's

killing us. So you know, that's what House of Athlete is. And I don't even know if I can open this. I got some gifts for y'all. We formulated supplements, man, we got care, We got all of that right, and we gotta create a space in our community where people understand. You gotta we gotta create a space in our community where we're understanding what a healthy car is, where the healthy fat is, with healthy veggie is, what the health what the healthy protein is. We don't know that fried

chicken fast food. No, that's not the way. You know what I'm saying. So we got some stuff for y'all. Alright, you're gonna put it over. I'm on the camera. We got in there. Okay, what the hell? So uh we go that's something I know that hoo do you got everything? Everything? Everything, quality everything? Because you said it Earlier's like, not only do we have an idea, we gotta make sure not only the product is good, but the systems and the operations.

So when I go to your website and I buy something from you, because I want to support you, am I going to get that in three days? Do you have a fulfillment center only set up? Do you have email marketing set up? Do you have a bandit card? Do you have Do you also understand that that customer you just spent twenty dollars to acquire that lead? Now, how do you retain that? We're talking about lifetown value of a customer. You gotta set up systems and they

gotta be automated. You've done this before. Hey, no, I'm studying it. Yea, we got you the gray set and then the black sweater that actually for you Too's gonna share what I read. Try to get a kippie's hat. And then here's the supplements, right, mental fitness, mental health for me? Thank you, thank you. You talked about post traumatic wrap. Yeah, sit down real quick, but supplements real quick. This is vintament I'm taking among everybody. Deal with anxiety.

That's just natural, that's mental fatigue, fall anxiety, just something that we can just knock the edge off. That's all organic. Spending time with the best officers in the world, the people that helped the formula that rest supplement, we are we are sleep depride. You talk about science and you talk about just why we are sick, it's because a lot of times if we don't get the fundamentals down. Do you get just seven eight hours of sleep every night? No?

So you know what I'm saying, that's man, I got that. You don't mean just man, I got Yeah that boys like yeah, athletes. So you can find all of our products on House of athlete dot com. We have nutritional supplements. We have a friend, Jim Cole house house, and we have a public facility in western Florida where we train Jim Pop. So everyday athletes like you guys, as well as the elite pros as well as the college guys that are trying to make it into the just going

tomorrow points. You gotta come. You gotta train with Ben I don't train with but you can train with Benize work who play. It might not be the best, No, but here's the thing, but he's nice. This is the thought. This is the thought behind it, right, like yeah, and then and then pittsburghs and in Florida. So that's a little mixed, a little everything, but the thought behind it. Did I say that? Right? Yeah? Alright, It's like the

athlete were the healthiest people on the planet. And instead of going out and building other people's companies and brands. It's a four point four point three trillion dollar industry. You know, let's teach people health, health and wellness. Wellness. That's it. That's the buzzword in the space right now. So instead of us going out and you know, there's all these other brands, all these other supplement companies, nutritional companies, people and kind of get I'm sorry, are you good?

Because that same thing. Do y'all know that pandemic You couldn't even buy that in the package store. That was the hottest well, his rose was the hotest, hottest thing, you know what I'm saying. Like I was going out, requested it and we delivered it. Appreciate thank you that you know this. Okay, okay, let's okay, but but but it's not just that. It's to your point when you talk about quality stuff, and we think about Rick Ross. The first time I ever sipped about his belt Lars

rose was during the pandemic. I went out, we had a little barbecue and I was like, let me try it. And it was the hottest thing, man, Like, it was smooth. I didn't travel the country, just the world, just like you sipping on different Rose's and that was so good. But that you know, yeah, shout out to Rick Ross, but shout out to you. Because House of Athlete is owned by Brandon Marshall. Like most athletes I can attest to, they're the face of it, they are not the majority

owner of it. Most athletes that you see pushing brands like Brandon is the exacting with the own say said most. I said most he could be if there's anybody. Yeah, yeah, Sha, because Shack owned ship, so we're good. They're just yeah. But he's smart though. And then but he keep like the whole Papa john thing. The Papa John's they brought Papa John's had a controversy as well. Yeah, Johns came to to to rebuild their brand, and Sha, that's great,

that's a great second. You haven't been involved with a team that was considered racist, Yeah, well would be everything. I know. I think, I think, I think, I think I think we saw this is an easy conversation. I think we saw in how uncomfortable some people are talking about,

you know, race in the America. Okay, so it's like, are you okay with saying Black Lives Matter, just something simple, like forget the movement and the whole organization behind it, just to say so, whether that is a person or organization, we saw how uncomfortable people are, whether that's an owner not saying it. And you know what I mean, Dallas Cowboys, Jerry Jones never said it. You know what I mean said if you do this, we're gonna cut you in

certain areas. Right, So, like there's a lot of owners that never there that still like stood up, locked arms or took a knee with the players. And this isn't a time where you have to have a point of view. It's not okay to say, you know what, politics, religion, race,

We just don't discuss that anymore. Got you can't let when you're wealthy, you can, though, right, So, like when you're wealthy, you can be Mr Kraft with the Patriots, you can depen up with Meek mil you can build people out of jail, but you can also played golf with Trump in mar life. Because when you're wealthy, you have the privilege, you have the privilege of not choosing.

And that's why they struggled because it was the first time where they didn't have the privilege to say, Look, I give to the you know, to the Double A CP, I get to the Negro College Fund. Why do I have to say the Black Lives matter? Because that's gonna mess up my dad. Hold on, I'm sorry, I'm sorry. I just want to I want to speak on something I so and it's a shameless plug at the same time. So I went, I do these documentary films and I

went to South Africa recently. Why we gotta say, shameless plug. This is our platform. I just tell us. So, this is something that I because coming from the United States and going to South I went to South Africa to

do one of my six film in the series. And the one thing that I that I thought was really different than the United States eights because you know, they had a part time and apartheid in our lifetime is very recent and something that something that US in the US might think, like, man, that seems like some ancient ship that happened to that. But I mean, now, in the way that times are in the US doesn't seem so ancient anymore. But growing up in the eighties and nineties,

it seemed like some ancient ship to this. So you know what I thought was crazy about South Africa is that they spoke openly about racism, about apartheid. White dude sitting in the restaurant right here, black dude right here, and he's like apart time dot dot dot and then the white dude, different view point of view. No, but by and then they had a dialogue. You captured all this, I want to say I did. I No, No, I

want to say I did. I don't think I captured exactly what I experienced, to be honest with you, to be because I was. I was going over there to document hip hop and South Africa, so that was my main point of view. So I'm talking about by me and the restaurant. You know what I'm saying, me just walking around. So you went over there to get something like hip hop and you experienced something totally different. Yeah, it was, it was, It was, It was extraordinary. Yeah,

I'm gonna pick it back off what you're saying. Because I went over to Joe Berg and Kate two thousand three five parts Fresh Right off the Hills, everything that was going on, visited um Mandela childhood home. I went there, you know what I'm saying, Visited the island where he was locked up in Cape Town. So I can I can vouce for everything he's saying, because it was still fresh. You have you have, uh the Afrikaans which is jet black color, which is different to us. We understand that.

And then as it relates to what we have in the States, right you after Dutch rape the black those are the whites, but they raped the black women that created created the colors, and we got mixed breezes in between, we got mixed breeze the Europeans that came here, right and they rape the black women. Slave owners that rape the black women's you got the chance, you feel me? So it's all the same shiplatos, but it's deep in in South Africa because it's more relevant. I mean, this

just was two thousand. They talk about it very openly and very like they do. We don't do that. So why is that such? Why was that so such an so impactful for you becacause here is so like you can't talk about and then they can't talk about racism, you know what I'm saying, Like over there, the black dude, this is apart time, it just happened. What was your inn nection though? Well, I mean I was doing my film,

but my hole. But no, Yeah, when you were in Africa, right, if you're not white going to Africa, you feel a connection to the people, to the Cuban Cuban I mean, you know what I found out when I was in South Afard the Cubans were the only ones that ever beat the white Africans in a war. Yeah. See, so you feel a connection. I mean that was a indirect correct, yeah, direct?

What is this film coming out? Lookin any more? And I know my homie, My homie was a rapper out here in Miami who you would look at at face value and think he's a white dude. Found out he's colored. He has his grandfather from Cape Town. And then he looked we found his birth certificate. He's colored, brought out to recognize. So what's the name of his film? It's Coming Home South Africa? What is it coming out with? I mean, I'm in discussions for the whole series Coming Home.

I did Cuba, Haiti, Vietnam, Columbia. Oh my goodness, right, nor they're gonna look at yo, we'd be out this. Yeah, they're going to drink champs in South Africa working. They were like, you don't because like at first, like you know, I just got into this whole podcast, this whole content world, you know, just eight months ago, and now you're going on Instagram and everything is drink champs. You know that

for real? Yeah, so many people, everybody showed amazing and now that we're going through this, right learning from y'all, we got people in Italy watching crazy because we are the beacon everything and you know, back to think about it, let me tell you why I got the Travelers. Yeah yeah, yeah, absolutely working and going to continue to work because the same thought me and E F Ben had. We said, y'all, they was the first take god bless first take off

was was skip bliss, undiscmuted these other things. The only difference is I feel like we're just as good as them. But the thing is the show that actually played the game. It's gonna be so much. Yeah, like you know what I'm saying that this is this is a real DJ. Like I try to get him a DJ party. If you don't got viny, he don't want to. Yeah, thinking that it was fantastic, Yeah, because you know that's a stuff that's a real DJ. They want to be next. Yeah,

you so somebody want to play this right right. There's no record labor telling you what you can I say, there's no telling what you can say. And that's where people that's what people want here, who are y'all for real? But this is with me and this this guy said, you know what, that's just people that we know, is about that life that that's just like us. So now you have all these other podcasts, you have all these other whatever whatever. And I'm not saying we're the original

because I want to pack myself up. I'm saying that because it's the truth. You can actually google this, we know, and like we're the first. Like I looked at you know, Kenny Smith just because I like doing this key Kenny Smiths from my hood. He does what's that ship called in the inside of the NBA, And I'm like, you know, I can't remember him winning the championship with Houston, him coming left Rack whod and bringing the trophy. That's that

ship was ill for me. So I was like, all right, I didn't know what that meant, but this is what it means. Now. It's like, all right, cool. You know there's not a rapper who con front of me that's not after you in front of me because they know I was in the trenches. I didn't go then and fail. I went there in one you know, just like my partner he went there in one and now together. That can't front of me, like you know, I'm not the fat You don't know what the FBI just come over

here and fun. But what I'm saying, come on, fucking fun? But do you find? Do you find? Like it? Goddamn shot? But when I'm thinking, who could have seen the people that saving us? Who's gonna say that I'm sorry, I'm sorry. My brother can kill mad you this bro? How y'all boys feel about the your show? Yeah, and and everybody that's in your industry coming back with the comments that they have with Black I wrote to see the niggers on your show. Everybody calls him to fans and I

don't know him. Maybe you guys do, but everybody calls him, but then people still go to him and spill everything. I mean, we don't. I'm on the outside. I don't know. They still got a little to get. No, it's not stop to take you said, why why are you saying? Guys not coming to y'all first? They do? They do? We can't compare to him like we're great, We're great, like, but to think about it is the think about it is, it's like, what's the guy that I'm cool of, guy

who's was to kill Tupac? M Um, the guy he's in Vegas right now, we're supposed to kill them. Yeah, police officer, nobody knows his name, whatever it is. But what that guy goog Well if you google that guy, I'm google that has no mob James is the guy that does the podcast. Yeah, keep you d So the thing about it is, you know, I don't know keep deposition, I don't know whatever whatever, but I do know that lad. He'd be paid him to do. He paid for interviews.

He has to at this point, we don't do that. I don't. I'm not saying every interview. And that's the reason why, you know, going back, you know, um, I want to reiterate because you know we had the interview of the Year with and you know I've been you know, I've been throwing my shots. This ain't as ain't little flat from right and then he doesn't deserve it. I'm playing with you, is you you have nothing to do with it. Just establishment and Larry Jackson, who is actually

the big homie. It's my man, like I love Larry Jackson. But the fact is, when when you seek that emminem interview at the end of the year, it was so many people who tagged us. It was just like look, trying to take your interview out and it was just like all right, great, and it's a weird thing. It's a weird thing sometimes because we're part of our establishment, but we're not really a part of no establishment. We're like the We're definitely not a part of the South.

We're like funk with them, but we're looking at our own little like the galaxy, you know, have nine planets, like we're in the lefty planets. And then like how they they don't they don't. It's like how does this work? Like y'all sitting here and it's like where are they? They got all this type of alcohol liquor sitting on the table, Like how does this work? At shot? You know what a man about this? You've never seen this.

We didn't get take for six months with CBS because they didn't know show on CBS Radio we Arry King, I don't know, yes, I can't. Yeah. They were showing us the charts and we was winning. But what we did sixty minutes and what we did it was so they tried to like and we were like, nah, we're gonna stick with the same ship, the same form with U. And like that's why I bring he brun it up. You bring it up. It's when we're all said there on y'all show, he said, Man, I did this ship

a decade. Yeah, and I the difference between me and Roses I had. I did almost a decade and features and that really get to the money, not really getting the money. But when I got here, I only had eight months and I realized after that eight months, I knew how to turn it into what's my man said, um algorithms. I know that. I know what I said, Oh this is alright, but is gonna pay right here? That's gonna do right there? And it might have been a little Michael dollars, but it may at the end.

It's like you know what you don't have, and you know, you know what, it's not about batting down. It's like, you know, if I put sixteen million, put six teams million in the stock market and it's conservative and it brings you back, you know, a couple of percent then I'm looking at a million dollars a year. So then what really is is it about the sixteen million ars? It about that money that my money is making me.

So when you what you're talking about, I got this platform and I got blood wires over here, I got this person over here, and collectively it's bringing me in X. What's covering my lifetime, my lifestyle plus this, that's what that's about. The shot got them so two or three growing, and let's not forget we got I forgot him Colombia and white crazy. We got this is all black owned

Jordan's I'm talking about. That's all black everything, all hands black. Yeah, we got a name for the hatline yet you know, so here's what Here's here's the deal. Like when we came together, like one of the things that we thought about and I'm still learning from North like Nordy, you know, like Bro really put me on game and I'm talking about thirty minutes like bang bang bang bang bang, Like this is new to me. I know, the wellness space.

But when we came together, we it was like and he called it, you know, quarantine Dreams is like we all in the same neighborhood. Let's start this, let's see what happened. And now that we're studying the game and people who came before us, it's like every time he come on the show, he wearing hats every single time, and when he gets frustrated, you're gonna see him doing this. Then when you look at our lives chat and we got ten thousand people waiting to go when we launched

our show, which is crazy for YouTube. Right, they're saying, what is Fred Taylor wearing? Like we want so yeah, we got, we got, we got sprints, we got collection come off and it's not like we're not trying to come out, We're not trying to take advantage. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, you got. We gotta we gotta take a shot. Drink, don't see then my homework drink And I wanted to emphaside built that show to you about like what I'm saying.

You know, we'll drink each other, brands necessary, I'll do everything. I like it, No need like there's no cameral conversations you gotta keep bringing to man. Know what I'm saying is when I was watching, I was doing my homework because I want to make sure on one point, right, So when I was making sure that I knew a little bit about everybody said, he's talking about you on your work to cover you. I typed this myself and me, did you come every year? But I noticed that happen

and I thought, my own ship. But this is Miami heat, this Miami heat. But I said, I want a Fred Taylor hat? Can I get a hat? See? But here's the thing is, you guys are creating value. Fred Nori uh drink to create people, people appreciate. Why why do I watch it? Why do I watch Drink Champs? Because like y'all got for real on the show, and I'm learning something. What can I learn from the people who come from where I come from, experience where I'm coming from.

That when you're talking about you know, here's this, here's that, this is what we're supporting that I'm support it. That's why that makes sense to me. The advantage you guys for seven years to you was with a lot of people on a different corporations platform speaking NFL and inside of the NFL. It's not Drink Champs and drink said, motherfucker can not inside the NFL. But you got the experience and you said, you know what I got developed this into my own platform. Teach me that. You know

who talks to me? Who taught me that all the smoke and drink chance? Listen, listen like, no, I'm being honest with but it's true. The thing about I've been I've been on inside seven years as an active without inside experience. Well, I think it developed when NFL you're still playing. I was the first active athlete to be So what I would do is what in the season.

And this is why I end up leaving Chicago coming to the Jets, because they looked at me and said, yeah, they didn't they didn't look I was the first person ever do it. So they looked at me and they said, and this is to our point, like we gotta you. We hot actors, entertainers, rappers, musicians, athletes, got strike. You should have had this drink chance back in nineteen would have to say is that they came to me and they said, Brandon, we don't want you doing inside the NFL.

You can't do that. We want you to focus all on football. And I looked at the owner and we was actually walking. It was it was like thirty degrees outside. We's walking from the indoor today Mr mccassy, the owner of the other facility of the of the Chicago Beers, and I looked out, I said, I said, I said, Mr McCaskey, dance. We have to stop the music, damn it. It's part of the show. Yeah, for real, like this, it's part of the form. This is dak Yeah. Right.

So so I'm walking back with him out and he's telling me basically, we want you to only focus on Folko, I said, Mr mccassey, check this out, just like this real. I'm like, you guys own your family owned this team for how long? And I said, when I'm done, you guys were still on this team. It's amazing platform for y'all. I said, I got, what a couple more years to maximize my earnings and build something that can last longer. I said, right now is the time for me to

start what I'm trying to do. What's up? Bro? Oh damn brother? How you know me? Bro? I boys said Brandon, Yeah, Bro, that's that's what's up. Bro. Like I always you know, I'm always taking it back when I run into a legend in the entertainment space and they know me, right, that's that's pretty dope. That Jets. What listen, what what were you talking about? Putting that that that green that Jets Norry just broke something. He had some breaking news. He was like, the only reason why he had Jets

fan because the jersey was cheaper that his dad. That's the only thing is dad could afford. So what was doing Jets fans instead of a Giants fan? Oh? The respected respect spec answer Dan, that's the legend. Appreciate you. Yeah answer yeah, great, Yeah, we don't know you out here coming on next we fire fest. Yeah. I called it the best act. Like I said this on on Clubhouse the other day, Like why isn't everybody on the

clubhouse down on? I car in my line that I call you and tell you I said that this nor it's the best cap of secret. They don't know nobody yet. Will We're gonna go our card, I car, tell us what to do, tell us we go through, Tell tell us what are doing? Any mic? Does it expire you? But I think clubhouse I can't reach, I can't reach. I don't like it. I see that. I'm gonna say, I'm gonna get n I c N just like that two twos. I see O N N bet all right, let me ask you a question. Let me ask you

a question. Bro Let me ask you a question. Okay, this is real, right, you you fail on a on a on a on a like globally, like tell us the inspiration how you keep getting back up because a lot of people don't understand when you're entrepreneur, you know you you you only win one out of ten times, right, so like now you icon is next and you keep pushing, We're gonna go back to the festival all of that.

You know what I'm saying to you my my last question and I'm I'm I'm a landed plan on past the phone, but like I think people need to hear, right, you know what I'm saying our stories on how perseverance, Like you know you you you won at the highest level. You also you also you also have some els, so

like how do you get up? And then now we're talking about icon, right, so talk to us about you know, that inspiration and that perseverance because as an entrepreneur, because we're all trying to start something, we all start trying to trying to launch our brands, and people don't understand that you only win one out of ten times. Yeah, that's what people don't understand. You know, I'll get some of the stuff to saying because breaking up a little bit.

But I think that's just what you're saying that you know, failures and going onto you so you know, you know, Phil, you only brings you to your next best thing? He said fail He said, failure only brings you to your next best thing. Yeah, it's like you like and you can't who every day. You know what I'm saying, dude, You know you play your whole career hoping you in

one of them, right right? You pless well with hopes saying with whole saying with hold say he said you only gotta be one, You only gotta be right one one. That's that's you only right one? And what the whole also said, This genius thing they do is adn't you U if that against the wall and you know there's nothing else to do but fight and go forward. Yeah, you got legend because for some people that's a hard thing.

Some people rather lay down the job, you understand, But listen, Yeah, I rather I got down my feet and motherfuck you live on my knee. Yeah, let y'all love bro. Tomorrow you're doing drink at tomorrow we're doing see you know what a no this is y'all go for three hours and four only. It's classic. Let me just tell yourself, so so tell me why y'all said for real? Was like like that was like was that the was that the best show? And was that defining moment for drink out?

Why we have different perspectives? You go ahead, all right, what happens is last year two years ago was we we've been pressure cleaning outside just that fariver, we we pressure cleaning right now to a show called rat Radar. You will haven't say it again to a show called rat Radar. I mean, I don't really compared to it. But last year I felt like we whipped the ass like everything, and then not not this year. Come on last year and then at the the end they had drake.

I feel like, damn they won with the end of the year. So this year they actually gratefully bowed out because of COVID. You came out and everything, and then right at the end of the year, we didn't plan it. We didn't plan it was for rell like for all, like you know, it was like seven times you cancel right every time when people cancel on us. No, no, we've been here and people cancel waiting because that's all we need to hear though that and that is the

most hurtful thing that was happening. Let me just say something to think about it. You can't take it personally. You can't don't take it personally. You can't take it person over the next day you shout, But there about it is this. I'm not a radio station. So when I set up, I setting up for you, right, this artist is all right, what's his name? Why you close? Placific not drinking that again? You want to drinks? Ye?

I don't like you Pacific and Civil was late? He doesn't you No, no, no, you paid you paid the camera man. You paid the same. This is everything outside, So if you don't show up, it's our look from the spinning on you. Though. And this is why, specifically this conversation is so amazing. Here's the problem. Where athletes did it at the highest level, entertainers did at the highest level. Game taken away from you. Your mike is

taken away from you. Now you gotta start from the bottom, and you gotta call that person you called me, No assistant called me. Right, there's so but here's the game though, Like how do you go from being at the top of the game and traveling the world going to dude do dolls of Dorf, Germany. So so now you call, you don't want calling, you don't want paying this person. Like literally, I'm gonna zail you. I'm gonna I'm gonna

give you this a check. That's the thing, is like why most guys don't make it to the next level because they can't get off that hard, hot horse. They can't get off that pedestal. You called for real seven

times because you answered back, yeah, but that's cool. But but you gotta understand, though, you gotta be willing to humble yourself and come back, like you go from the mountaintop to the valley, and now you're making the calls and now you gotta say, you know what, he canceled on me the third time, but I'm gonna call him again. Let me do it as a wrapper. This is not as a rapper. Carass told me being told no, it's good, I did not understand that. I wanted to kick him

me and me and told no it was good. But he's like your certain people might not know who the funk you are so if they tell you no, that's actually cool because there's people that's gonna say like that's that. That's the reason why I broke up Tom Brady earlier with Antonio Brown. It's just almost like this is like some gang ship to me, almost gangish. Brady said, you ain't sucking with me, ain't gonna pay me? Yeah, I'm gonna hire because the Patriots didn't want to higher. But

Tom Brady fell in love with him. Yeah, let him stay in his crib. He was bringing a wherever he went bas gangster ship. So you like Tom now, yeah, in my mind he got gold teeth yea in my mind. In my mind he went to us a free market and the like let me tell you something, bro, And he brought his man grown to like what you say. Yeah, he was tired that year. If that's not holy ship, Like, look look at all we're guilty. What do I do? You want to show how we're guilty? Let me show

you how we go show me. We have the same show called militym I don't know that true. Behind it didn't work. It didn't work, No, no, it didn't work, don't you We didn't want it to keep it going right, No, Brot, we just stopped doing it. We did not want to do it. We stopped doing it because you went on tour and I went on to me. We just didn't make We didn't make a dime off of that. But right, okay, what we're doing? Uh huh, what's the point I was

trying to make. I have no idea you were saying like like left people behind or you weren't Tom Brady Brady ship, that's what you had, Tom, but like he got grills another like rock and then you know everybody in the Antonio, Yeah, you was sent especially because now granted it is his white privilege that lets him bring

a trouble black player to a team. Yes, because a black, a black quarterback would not be able to say the available asset to fill his back, my mama, A black quarterback will not be able to say, yo, I know my man's is crazy. But to do that, absolutely, I don't think so. Because he it didn't happen right right, he know he was there. She's about before she actually

got there. We've been in those discussions and it just do what he did, you know, Russell Russell, Russell want whoever the top dog isn't gonna come in and help and Russell. Before I actually got there, we were talking general manager, FaceTime and head coach, and Russell's like, I want this guy, and they're like, come back. I don't think it's a good fit. I don't think it's a good fit. Now. When the Giants cut me, then the Seattle Seahawks slid as a deal and they then they

brought me in. Now, she's right what she's saying, but I pushed the conversation forward. You know, it's got this word out there called nepotism. Nepotism is like when you get on, basically put your people on right. So you know why when other people get on and they put their people on, why we can't do that because when

we mess up with the whole race is held against us. So, as a black woman lawyer, when I came to the NFL, if I would have been not good or dishonest, they would have been like, that's why we can't hire anybody from an ABC. She went to Hampton. We don't know that school. We got to go back to ye. But that's that's real, right, So when we mess up, our whole race has to pay for it. White people don't

have that concern. So they'll put on their cousin, they'll put on their best friend that probably is not qualified for the job, because what they do know is that if Billy doesn't work out, you're not gonna say never hire a white person again. When Brandon doesn't work out. What you're gonna say is we just we just cannot. We have to be really more strategic about the schools we recruit from. We have that problem. Now. Granted we

shouldn't feed into that, but that's real. So when I put someone on from Hampton or Family or another HBCU, I literally look at them and say, whatever you do, everyone that comes from where you come from will pay for it. We just qualified, just to be easy to say, absolutely absolutely, but still whatever I do. So when I came to the NFL and I busted my ass and the executives fell in love with me, there now are way more HBCU alumni at the National Football League from

when I was there. But that's because of me, right if I would have sucked that up. See, this is why we need Ivy League. We really have, you know. But because I came in there and I'm like, I went to Hampton. I went to family law, and I know my ship, and guess what, I can look at some creative and tell you that's offensive, right, like how you're how you are marketing Antonio Brown. So I used to review creative and we were currently finding Antonio Brown

for all of his celebrations. So he was getting fined every time. But then if I look at the commercials that I'm reviewing, they're showing him dancing. So we're making money off of his celebrations, but then we're also taking money out of his pocket for the same celebrations. I'm the only black person on the email chain rights. So when I talked about when you get into the room, how do you use your seat, how do you use your position? I knew that if I didn't call it out,

nobody else would. And so I said, so you're saying so you're saying, they're saying an Tonio Brown scores a touchdown, he do the dances. The NFL says, this is against the shield what we stand for. You gotta pay finding. But then the sponsors in the taking that and they are now using that as commercial. Three years ago, Antonio Brown was in his prime. There was you could not watch TV without saying a commercial with Antonio Brown and he was on a covered man exactly most of those

celebrations he was fined for. But but yet I loves are making money off of that, and the NFL is anybody making money after that? I could not sit and watch a black man be fine for something that the white corporators making money off. What was the reaction to you saying that? How did that get correct him? Or did it? What could they say? I said, how can we promote something that we're finding the same player for? And they said, you right, what happened they did? They

did not use the same creator. We're more, we are more, And I would say, and it might be because it didn't find him, but not do the creator. No, the find had already happened, right, So the fine type of about football team. So you know what I did? I said, every commercial that Antonio Brown is in, we need to send it to the same department that is finding him.

And if they don't sign off, if they don't sign off, then we can't use it in our creative because what we're not gonna do is eat off of the same thing that we're finding him for. So we're taking money off of this black man. Y yeah, yea yeah, and that and that you're doing and not to change what

we're doing. That's a change going back to them. But that's what happens when so when we criticize people for working for the man, we want people to work for the man because if we're not in those rooms, it's going to continue to happen. You want, you want, you want a few that are in those rooms making If there was no Troy Vincent, can you you don't even know where the NFL would be. I got a better one.

What about because jay Z he got criticized for because entertainment, not because he's a political but no, no, no, yeah right, And there's a lot of people like how like Caps not in the league. Wise jay Z sitting at the table with the commissioner and making this type of deal and me I'm sitting back like, well, first again, jay Z showing us why he's genius. To her point, if we don't have jay Z in the room, then we're

not gonna have someone having that discussion. But it shouldn't be an athlete or an entertaining matter to And I don't care if you if you come if I'm getting in the room because I got barbs. I don't care if I'm getting the room because I got how many followers, it don't matter. But when I get in that room, to her point, and she always says, this were in

my dorm, how am I representing us? Right? And that's why you know, for me, when jay Z did that deal, I said, it's genius because now jay Z could potentially be the reason why we see the first black owner in the NFL. He could ask you something. I'm sorry, I'm so sorry to cut you off, but how was your relationship you am for uh, the relationship will probably, but that was like an open relationship, like you could could you call him? I can call you what you call.

Let me see if I can face time Roger and yeah, because I ain't like you. You know what I'm saying, he super let me try to FaceTime. We have someone season one, they called her uncle Rob because because we talked to him and he picked up. But now I said, that's my thing with him. You know, he know I ain't even call me. I'm aout that I'm aout that I'm about the trial right now. But you know, we

asked about the relationship. You know, I think it's you know, it depends on what type of discussion we're having, because I look at it as a business. As a business, you know, this is we're talking about a ten billion dollar industry. We're talking about multimillion dollar athletes. So when you're a CEO, sometimes we gotta make the hard decision. You gotta think about how do we win now, and

then how do we also win in ten years. Right, So Roger Cadell, you know, like we don't always agree with him, and to me, like I don't pick up the phone and I would say, like I don't agree with that move you just made. I'll get on showtime inside the NFL no matter what, and like I don't agree what he said. But at the end of the day, I was like, hey, look here's the situation. Is how I feel, but this is what I think we should do. And he listens. And then at the same time I

also said, hey, I'm doing this. I'm doing this fund raise. I'm trying to raise five thousand dollars just playing pinkbone. When you come, I'm there. And he also writes a check. Right, So, like I had thirty two bosses, like people don't realize he not everybody like er. He works for the owners. He works for the owners. Do you think your good I mean that people literally want to indict Roger Goodell,

and I don't think they understand how complex the NFL is. Right, he has to go into a room with thirty two people and say what do you want to do? And guess what He's gonna take all the heat for it. He answer smart, and he's smart everything the comany. He wasn't making a lot of the decisions he had. He was taking phone calls from thirty two owners every day

and figuring out what is a month? Y'all right? So that's him as a person, and him and the leaders get that, Sigguard, I'm sorry, said they're chatting, they tested anymore anyway, We won't get you the world where because you're like laying four years. What am I missing? Because I don't smokes, just missing enlightenment and enlightening men on conversation and overall's perspective of everybody's intuition of facts. Pressip lead on me. Yeah, I just said short drink Champ.

But there's a smoke chance, I see the Keith smoke chance. Yes, heavy heavy percentage. Just so you know, we got the new Smoke Chans podcast coming out. Um Chin being young really might move induce coming out. I'm sorry, I'm sorry. I got to continue Smoke Champs. Let's take take your time ship. No, but listen the day I'm looking at the brand. At the end of the day, I want to do my shameless block drink Chaps salt salutely salute. You know he's got a cook his hat dog. We

got smoke Champs coming out, we just announced that. But for y'all podcast, we would like to take control of the audience. You know what I mean. And this this you know, Drink Champs network. This is what we're doing. We live out here, Network Networks. It will be a new summer. Just the audio. You do whatever you want to do with what show time let me do just said everybody every other is whatever you could do it. But the audios that because you can still sell it

to show TI still sell to Amazon. We know the game, so letsigate you don't know it. We here, yeah, we gag ya ya ya. Athletes entertainers out there right now, start to podcast right now. I'm gonna tell you something. I'm gonna tell you something as much as drink chance

has been successful, as much as whatever. But I will never under estimate the fucking driver's people who drive fed Ex trucks, people who drive the ups trucks, people who drive the fucking Carmen Sherman trucks with the soft tissue. What guy has you know the Carmen ship com he Carmen Herman. I'm just like, I don't know whatever that ship's harmon, ship is off the Sherman. It's tough to shout out to all of them, but that's what we're

all taking control of. Construct We are trying. That's beautiful. You can't lose if you build it all your own terms. By the way, if this ship doesn't work out, with your ship, with your ship, we worked out what you're doing on your own terms. You never you never in the network twenty seven years. So what happens is like, what made you like that? I guess my question for you is, it's like, you know, we talked about my experience and how I transition. Channing talked a lot about it.

So how did you go from rapping to this to a point where like people look at like, oh, you know, drinks and all of this other stuff. But this is really like the business behind it. A lot of people don't understand because eventually, I think that rappers should never signed to a record label, Rappers should never sounded to a company, Rappers should dropped their albums on their own podcasts, right, but you should only like this thing about it. Right.

Let's suppose that you was playing with the Texans. What's the oilers that was back in the days, right, but they didn't you know, they don't exist no more. Let's right, Let's suppose the US oilers and you dropped the album just for the Houston oilers. You dropped the sweatsuit just for the Houston oilersts. You should be a billionaire just all for Houston. Yeah, we'll explaining to us because a lot of people don't understand that. And I feel like

we like me. A lot of people come to y'all and listen to y'all because y'all what we learned that, whether it's through YouTube or the guests on the Shafts, I don't know if you noticed, no learned a lot. No, No, that's really though, right, like because get him into the show before we do. I don't we don't trust think

about where we come from. We don't trust. So if I know this man came from where I came from and he tried to put me on game, yeah, I'm gonna listening to him more than I'm listening to this dude. He's talking about like the stock market, etcetera, etcetera, or whatever. Like the thing is, I'm expecting him and he has a responsibility to really tell me, like what's right for me. Now, I know where you're going, but that's what we have

to understand our market, and we'll understand our market. That's just our market. We can't lose. We can't lose. Actually explain, yeah, no wait, I'm no always for you to go keep going. Yeah, yeah, we need you to go, and spound on that I always should look at Texas. I said, why would a Texas artists promote outside of Texas? Texas has like you can go platinum in Texas, you literally in Texas. That's exactly how I always thought about it. So what happened

was when I did a podcast. Yeah, and told me to do a podcast five years prior to I wanted to do a podcast, But when I actually did it and I saw the algorithms, Yeah, made me feel like I'm smart. I'm not smart, but when I saw yeah, yeah, and it's a big part of him because he's not gonna change, he's not gonna die. His bid effect that I'm not going to do it, but that integrity said, you know what, let's keep it the same, ye not

never try to cater day to anything. Let's keep the same unapologized funk with us then cool, Yeah, but they don't funk with us. We don't want the money. We're going out the same way we came. We came in not expecting anything. We didn't anything. Let's just do what we have fun doing. Even what you're doing though, right, Like Brandon is unapologetic about House of Athletes because literally everything that we say, he lives it and believes it.

So he could give two ships if somebody doesn't like it, right, because he literally lives this and believes that this is the key to success, to be healthy and to be well and to be great. So y'all feel the same way. So when you're you can you can literally be okay with losing money and leaving money on the table. The principal eight months, we still lose money, Yeah, I mean we make money. Don't get me wrong, but we lose

money way because they're just taking that check. Yeah, we're just we're not compromising anything, but you're not talking about and hold it out. Yeah, but talk about why y'all made that move, because like, now I know why y'all made the move, because you're thinking long term and now you're not doing short term thinking. But we we doubted each other to be honest with this short term. This is a short term. This was a short term. Why there, like we're like, we're just gonna do that. He was

playing poker. I was OK. I mean that's diffain type of Ye, that's that's the absolutely right here, like like we don't know the bad story. This is a super bank. It was kendle two dollars six. Jesus, you're going way back story. We're in the studio and recording NonStop, playing poker, and if you realize, poker and and recording is the same thing. So it was so easy. So I would come out recording three days in a row with drink through the whole time. Yeah, he was like, oh, who's

a drink? Drink And then I have recorded a song that ship we're playing, we're playing poker. He's recording non stop, NonStop weekly. We're having fun with doing our our music ship and always recording his music. We're supporting the vibe and he's recording and we're playing poker. And at the end of the night he would finished recording music and

say what you was doing smoking weed? We're trying fun and we're playing drink and we haven't dreamed were playing poker, but we would say we would drink so much, we like we drink. Champs would whoever last, whoever, whoever ended at the end of the night, saying we're still awake. X Channon. Crowds love him. I love him exactly. We didn't have college. We had crazy hood studios and then and then and then he recorded a song with Alchemists called Drink Chance, and he recorded a song and we

loved it. It's just us. I'm gonna tell you something that I don't even remember. It was the original Drink Chances on a missy beat right and Actemists called me and said, please change it, and the beat that you heard down works way more perfect. Two thousand between two thousand six got drafted. That's when we that's when he stamps you guys are skipping a lot of ship and we're really gonna get into a drink behind I'm drunk.

We had a show already on on x M before Sirious x M, when x M was by itself and seriously another thing. We had a show. Yeah, and this show is called Militament Crazy Raw Race when you talked about earlier, because he named the show was name, Yeah, what's the name that? My company? Everything company's name is crazy and this and and then raw Leo Leo g who give us the show? So we had this same We had drinks challenge, the same as act show. Who

who Who's Who's Whose idea was it? They say, no, let's not go from let's not do that, Let's go to the drink champs. Just give me one very long, just give me one name. Who was it? I don't want to give myself the problem. That's the reason why you can't give the prop because at the end of the day, it's a collective idea. That was like I grabbed it. I thought I was like your dream champ. I was amazing. I grabbed it without knowing it would

be a podcast. Then my homie was like, you'll do a podcast and then we did a radio show before. I was like, you're show with Noria as a podcast, and then other people are telling him do a podcast. It was just so many things being direct to make it happy storm. And then when he was ready and he was ready, I said, your dream Champs, I got it ready yeah, and he said, let's go. But I think that you know, I'm glad that you're talking about this because I'm gonna be honest with you. I'm like,

I don't know what this drink champ sins. I just know that this is the culture. And they got all these amazing guests. Nori is freaking as phenomenal, Like he he come in here, he's smoking, he drinking, but you don't know how intentional he is and how are you pushing the car so I'm not drink stake so hearty

hear the back story on it. I think it's needed, like what is this he's a younger big brother because he's younger than he and the thing is me And we looked at it as where the we've we've said this for like a joke, Eric being rock him of of a podcast like as the DJ, I'm the background, I'm the guy that's doing what I do correct and he's the MC, and that's the way we approached. How much does you guys being respected in your previous fields? Right Like, I don't think you guys would have the

same success. Absolutely, people didn't respect you in the game from the yard. But that's the same thing when I'm athlete, Like you can come on, I an athlete and be like y'all some thumbs because I am athletes. Yeah, yeah, you know, when I watched it, I said, yes, I need to be a boss ned because you know why, that's exactly what we thought. Thing is, we don't like. I don't like a god bless God, bless everybody who

was in the NFL. When I look at those four motherfucker's that you'll put together, I don't want loose from the NFL, from anybody, anybody else, from anybody else. I want to fucking go to y'all page, tell YouTube and whatever the funk you'll tell me it's happening for that week. That's it. Yeah, that's where you can dribbing me in the wrong director, What did you make the wrong bat?

You don't even care, righting, don't take that because you respected, Because I respect they had on the field if they were shot. Yeah, he was on the Patriots and we lost. That's one thing I respected about into regardless when he went to Jets Nuns. Yeah, the world wavis the road. We go to bath to real quick going, we're going right Jet they did, and he was a man. Ain't the real read? Ain't nothing wrong with the Rod revers It's my team. When's the last time he really followed

the team? Mark Sanchez ran into the linebacker. But I'll be get busy. When he left fer Fitzgerald, what's the guy, the guy with the beard? Patrick got busy. He got busy. They ain't Miami got something, got a massage and fucking played his ass off I love the Jets for what they did with Sam Sam Donaldson, Sam Donald Sam donald He did he had a hepatitis, Yes, he had manoa. They reconstructed the old offense. He came back and they

didn't have got Adam Gates got fired. I don't know I did go on, no, no, no, I'm hooking up right now because I'm what I say it right now? Um, and they make this the right move right now? Why did the Jets fired Adam Gates and said they parted, and the jaguarsh fired Doug Haron and said they party ways. But when an Anthony Anthony Lynne got fired from the tape from the charge, they said, they fired them. So why can't the same respect goes along with the whole

overall perspective. Well, it's crazy. We had to come and that will come up in one of our episode. We actually have that conversation, right, Um, pretty much like anything else, we don't We don't control the narrative. What I mean is that the other is that the journalists hip it's unconscious bias, but it's also it's also white supremacing immediate, right, Like they honestly don't know how much intention is put

behind it. But they literally can't even control They can't they can't control how they think about had lines when it comes to black people, right, And so there's no way that a black coach can just go his separate ways. He has to be fired. Right. So when you already have that assumption in your head and your subconscious, you're gonna write a certain way. Right. It's just like when when there's a crime committed, if it's a black person, you are going to know that it was a black

suspect that killed somebody. They never they don't ever mention the race. You have to assume like that person is white because they haven't even said the race. We know when they say the race, they say the race, but when they don't say the race, that means that person is white and they don't want to categorize that person as a white person that did something heinous or violent or crazy. Negative negative against the NFL perspective, it's not the media and the media. The media is ESPN is

not as diverse as it should be. So when you look at draft and when the black players they draft, and they talked about, oh yeah, this black player had a crack had a was a crack baby. Like that's literally what they put on the three lines they did for the player. That one line is this this baby was a crack baby. But then when you see the white players getting drafted went to Stanford actually got a double major, Like that's literally it. But it's that unconscious

bias that that's Briant. That's Brant when he was drafted. We all know about DA's brain, right, you know that name, So that's Brian drafted the general manager for a team. I think is your mom Was your mom ever a prostitute? Yeah? Wow, somebody asked no real real yeah, one on one like the questions that they mean, I hadn't been in those rooms. So these two can antest to it. But I've heard that the questions that they ask. A combine can literally

be watched. The NFL combine is when you go to in in Indianapolis and you literally work out and every team is they're assessing every single aspect of your ability and your personal life and your mental They do a mental assessment, really and they're literally trying to pay out. Are you a good fan? Let's paint the picture. Let's

paint the picture. So from a physical step from assessment, you walk in, you got every single team sitting in front of you, lights, ontives, you walk on the stage, but you yeah, combining jokes, right, that sounds I'm going rates to the NFL. Now this is where we this is the stage and show them who I am and pros and stuff, right, and this is how they determine who they're gonna draft. They get to go through everything.

So one of the things that you do is y'all the team all thirty two teams, but it's more people. It's the head coaches, is the manager, scouts, and maybe a handful of owners here and there. So I'm walking out and they said, Brandon Marshall University of Central Florida has nothing on but tights, nothing, no salt, no shirt. And I go here and whether people compared that to where you go up and you stand on the block and people literally says, how how useful are you going

to be to me on the cotton field? And that's when people have compared to I don't necessarily think that it's apples to apples. Look at the end of the day, Look, we're talking about a billion a ten billion dollar industry, multimillion dollar athletes, right, We're talking this dude in Kansas City just signed almost a half of Billy right for it, you know, years just signed the deal like that's that's big time money. So you gotta understand this time, he's

only three, there's only his third season. Yeah, it's the grades. Was it forty million? Right, So that's what he signed for. But you gotta think, so, you know, that process degrading. But at the same time that you gotta keep in mind, like you know, we get paid off of our body don't get paid off. This are you saying that you sign up for it? So this is the now kind of kind of but also like can the process be better when we talk about do we the players have

a voice? Does the does the NFL does? Does the owner give us an opportunity to use up utilize the platform up? Correct? Doesn't have to be that, but it's bigger than that. Well, I don't think it needs to be.

Like I mean, there was a guy that was running his forty and literally his whole thing came out of his shorts, right Like, I don't think that, Yes, yeah, yeah, this is the podcasts, Like, I don't know, look like I'm saying, but I think I think he speaks to does Brandon Marsha needs to be in tight spandic shorts to run a forty? Right? He doesn't? Right, But that's that's where there needs to be changes, right Like, I don't think that it needs to be in the same

exact format. That's how they're doing it. It's the great because if you're coming here, look, it's just that. But also you wake up at six am, seven am, and you go through you see two hundred doctors and you're just laying on the table and they're coming up and they pull it on your toe. They pulling your They're not saying, hey, how are you doing? You know, yeah, rot your film. You know, we love what you did last year. It ain't like bro and you know everything

about you. It's not that you're laying on the table and they're just moving you around to see and they're like, oh, let's send them back and get an m R. On that. You don't you don't feel like that there was other brothers that had it worse than you. When because because you use yeah, no, no, here, here's my thing right

like here and here, here's my thing. Like you know, I have a goal in mind, and it's whatever, this is the process in place, Like if I got to make the decision, am I willing to go through that to get to the goal? And that's something I was willing to go through. It didn't matter. I wanted to play in the National Football League. I wanted to be one of the best ever. I wanted to sign a certain type of contract. I had goals in my every single year, so I just blocked out the distraction. But

treating the experience for other people is a goal. Well, I think for her it depends like right, and this is that This is where it gets interesting when we talk about activism at the activism for her, you know, her passion is to actually is diversity in the NFL, not just diversity and just corporate America just period, right equality. That's her. For me, it's it's own health and wellness. Right. So, and I say this to the but when I was what I went to, so I love you v a

much love much love your wife. He went to your wife's best brand, went to Hampton, went to Hampton. So yes, yes, so ill love bro Bro Bro, Why you do call you like that? In New York, you understand push your T. I know you probably don't know me, right, but I'm on TV. You know I pushed the conversation for etcetera, etcetera, etcetera.

And I just remember living in Brooklyn. I was playing for the Giants at the time, and then your album came out and then all I could listen to was those I'm like, first of all, like he's doing an album, he dropped only seven like tracks? Whatever? Like what happened in THT you changed was changing the game. And I was like, yo, what like you really went in, Like Kanye, it was that Kanye. It was the whole Drake, all of that stuff, Like Bro, you really went in. Yeah,

they told him it was. It was a It was a classic moment in hip hop. I appreciate it. So talk to me about that, like you talked about was the classic moment in hip hop? Why was that a classic moment in hip hop? Why do you feel like that? Well, first of all, it was because of the Seven Songs, Number one, the seventh. That just changing the whole trajectory and we gotta push your teeth one, you know, changing the whole trajectory of what was going on in hip

hop at the time. I think everybody was putting like six records on a on a album, so it was stream war and we were just like going against the establishment, just saying, look, we're just gonna make the best we can make in seven yea yeah, none of that. And and then just you know, just being lyric driven hip hop. And that year was like you know, nominating for Graham and it was just the best album was it. Let me ask you this because when I listened to the album,

I felt like this could be potentially personal. Was it personal or was it business, because like y'all was, y'all didn't cross the line, but y'all you went deep bro, like where it's like if you want to go there, we can go there. Yeah. Well, it's always it's always personal saying this is wrapped so and when I do it, it's personal simply because it comes from a real place. Yeah. Respect,

And that's what we just talked about. In sports, it's like the difference between we're talking about a ten billion all the industry and most of us come from places where this is our way out. So like, how can you tell me that this is business? This is personal for me because it gave me my opportunity to survive, right, legend legends, Push your teeth, Push your teeth, They'll thank you. Push you know. I love you for real? I mean your first video brand shout out on the said, Hey,

can I let me ask you a real question? Though? Let me ask you a real question, real real? You with me? You with me? Friend? You with me? You with me? You with me? Am I to drink chance? Yes? No, let me ask Let me take me to tell you what drink? She had three shots feeling real good? Four He ain't He's chilling. He really feeling real good. He's gone gone. You can see your eyes getting glazy. And I didn't. I don't take a question. No, I don't think baby, I'm drinking, douce say, and I'm chap. I'll

tell you what I'm being. You ain't really been drinking. Drink tonight. How you wake up tomorrow? That's always a drink chan there was more time you drink wake lately. He has to be when it's like, wait, the shot, everybody everything droning, everybody drink no more? Just watch over there, No, no, no, real gee, that's the shot. Be monsters, everybody showbody drink tonight. He tore this little. I would say, this's a camera.

You got me helping wall. That's in my thing. But every once in a while you have a good time. And I'm gonna sure you got to be a drink chance Fred No, a little freaking right up. Listen to the house. We can't do it, friends, we can't do anything. Wet everybody care what up? Friends? Everybody tonight and nobody didn't wake up in the morning. I'm get up every morning. I got for I got production in that out. Yeah, So I'm I'm a FaceTime and I'm gonna show you

and then I just want my corn. I feel like y'all need that. I feel like I feel like you talked about producing all that. Let me produce drink chance right now where I feel like, no, this just like O G O G. This is what we need to do. I feel like we need to built. I feel like we need something like yeah, like we can cry. You have for Rever on the show, Okay for Rell? Are you to drink at for no? Okay, he's not yeah he was yeah for yeah a lot to take off his man to the way to take over and maybe

you said that damn he dropping juice. But y'all have so many people on the show, and I feel like at the end, who who's holding that? No, I'm good, I'm not. I ain't a smoke chant drink smoke? What is it called smoke? I ain't a smoke chance. I'll take some drink. Let's calm it down, to drink chip, don't drink more, to drink like some good. It's not about how much you drink, it's how Because that this is this is a smart I have to take the opportunity to say or Miami, uh a legend. No no, no,

no Miami favorite Sean Taylor. Are you familiar with Sean Taylor? Can we give him some love because nobody ever gives him love after he passed away? Okay, yeah, yeah, I think that. I think the NFL community you closer to it than me. Like it's almost like a holiday. We talked about it every year in d C and Virginia. They definitely do thank you because we also do in Miami, but I just didn't know we do it in Virginia also, Yeah, everywhere.

That's what's ups. Thank you, thank you. He's Miami legend. For Ller's Miami legend, Frank Gorgon Miami legend fowers. I would love to give him Frank his flowers, but he's not getting him gotten his blower something real quick, because you know, I did my googles. We thought Ulto singles were here, right, so then you know, and I have one question about I wait till annoys finish, That's what ask So then Ulto single says he promoted wearing fake jurory. Yeah,

oh that's a big conversation. Yeah yeah, yeah, he said it. He said it, He said it, terrible got you got the most already Bracelest. You know, you know, you know, you know money, So I know that's that card here, that's the nail Racelest, that's the East seventeen. And then you got the you got the god duell Ja was the first one band faith. Yeah, he got about two hundred seven thousand. He got money. In my calculation, I'm just going with the conversation. I'm just saying, like, because

those are investments, and people don't realize that. See when you get the bust out, don't diamonds, don't put no diamonds. He's speaking. But what I'm saying, I want to look at that chesship, the Cardia ship. A lot of people, that's what happens is they go get those cardierir braces, the same Cardier braces, and they bust them down and they don't understand that it takes away from the value

you speaking. You are speaking, so a couple of things here, yeah, Fred Taylor, like oh geez, like that was the one talk really taught me away when I got into the league, seeing how they bought jewelry and how they explained it to me. And when you take this Cardier bracelet, this is something that's been around for years, or this Rolegs watch. What you're looking at when you put diamonds in it, now it it depreciates. It's a liability and not an asset. Okay,

So that's first and foremost. But and then you gotta understand what type of watch you're buying. Is this watch and watch that foltives value and that you can put on your estate planning or is this a watch that the decrease in value as soon as you take it out the store. So there's a lot of conversations about that. How I bought my jewelry is every time I want to, I went to a Pro Bowl All Star game for the NFL. That money that they would pay us to come,

that's when I would treat myself to a watch. So my watch collection came off of every time I want to I went to a Pro Bowl, right, and then I never bought I put diamonds in my stuff because I'm like, I want this to be able to like that sits up with that art, that that piece of art that I bought, And now that's a part of my portfolio that when I look at my my my my portfolio, Uh, you know, every single quarter, and I'm looking at my assets. That's a part of that. And

I like, how you this month? Yeah, that was see a lot of Google. A lot of people say, yo, you know when you get money when you buy certain a certain jury is flaws, but then certain watches, it's not a flaw, sir watches. The investment even a birken bag, Like I don't suggest people buy Berken bag. The Birken bag never depreciates. Hold on second second time around stories.

You buy that birken bag for twelve k, you put in the second time around store, you gotta pay eighteen k. It's like almost like that that Ferrari for eight right, Like there's certain Ferraris. You know, I never I wish I bought an exotic car and I actually enjoyed myself.

I never really did that, but like I understood when I was looking at the investment of an exotic car, I knew if I bought a four fifty eight Ferrari, that that car that I bought for three eight five, and I put my my time into like picking out the stitches and the leathers and all of that, I can then turn around and resell that for four fifty.

But if you bought the other ferraris soon as you take that off the lot, don't the reself, I don't hold its value, right, So when we talk about buying luxury and those type of things, you gotta understand some things hold its value, some things appreciating, some things depreciate. But what the attitude? Because um, I watched some documentary man, and they're seeing how so many athletes that you know, to get their money. And for the moment I got on the phone with you, I knew you wasn't that

type of athlete. But the thing is, how did you develop that? So so let's talk about the exotic cars. I was actually in Waltham, Massachusetts in Boston, and I spent three months in the outpatient program. Okay, and I was diagnosed with borderline personality disorder and then the best way to describe that as an emotional disorder. Okay, that's like,

that's why I got into all this wellness stuff. And while I was out there, um, I talked about New York teaching me a lesson my wife getting you know, being out at the Mark Key like nightclub and getting hit in the bottle, hit in the face with a bottle. So we had to go to a dentist. So I called the New York Giants. I was playing for the Miami Dolphins at the time, but I was in New York, so I called the New York Giants. I said, I need to see a doctor. Connecting to people, they helped me.

But then I got connected to the doctor, the best doctor in Boston. So when I'm in Boston, okay, I'm sitting with this dentnist, white dentnist, and he picked me up in a four eight and I'm telling like, this is my dream car. And he said, let me show you how to buy it. So that's how I understood that part, because he told me, like, this is why I bought it this way, this color, this type of interior, because if I choose to sell this back in three months or six months, I make my money back times

times three. Right. And that's about what he always say is exposure leads to leads to expandion. So when we talk about Nori and you guys giving us free game or Jay z or Rick Ross or did he like that's free game? Listen, you know what I'm saying. Because y'all traveled the world a little, you know, what I'm saying, are you seeing Are you seeing that a betterment for I am athlete, or are we seen a betterment for drink tims having you had a guess another drink? Ye?

Hold on makes sense, right, I didn't get my foot kicked like five time? Wake up nigga. Yeah, because me and you are looking out for me. Yeah. Yeah, I tapped out, but I ain't going home. I'm gonna sae man. Yeah, I'm good. Let's trust me. Shot shot shot shot. Yeah. Yeah, I'm gonna because I'm le, I'm gonna leave here with the belt on diputi b. Yeah, that's the same thing with my dude. Say that's the same thing. What you mean?

Look at that just bottled tonight your help. I'm gonna saying this bottle with me and say I don't need friend Taylor drinking. Yeah, I'm gonna. I'm gonna make sure so much. Listen member, everything you're doing already. I want to support it, but I wanted to tell you all give me your audio audio Yeah, yeah, we give it into your selling it too. I can't afford shid and we're gonna we're gonna say, you know, she's smarting stopped we give it in to your selling it to sharing

this can that's that's going. Yeah, that's going. I'm selling it to the way people. We don't go I preferred buyer. Yeah, so you're interested in our ship. We would love to sell it. He's not buying because I'm a part of it, and we're not buying. We're selling it. We're gonna help you. We're gonna sell Jim, he's a great guy. You got the bad Yeah, we're about got smooth up streaming. We got smooth Chi you got drinking was a little man

people feeling stuff like that. Huh. The's just saying smoke chance, we got um cha bang um young really Mike bof induced on the smoke chance, and then we got the drink chance, wildcat drink chance. Sports. Um. We're trying to get warm and Sat. We're trying to get and Paul here he ain't kind of talking a third person, but nothing to say more Sat would be dopey. So good. You keep saying trying to get Fred. You're trying to get Warren Sat. That's your people. Can we get more

set together? But can't you get you can get your Sat? Do the deal? Fred freaky frid that that that, that's that's what. That's what. You gotta watch the show. I can't do it. I've never been in a room. Yeah, I've been in the viper locker room. It's different. Yeah, let me get you. Let me get your story about the locker room. And then a lot of people going to say, you know what, theyre gonna say a lot of things. They're gonna say, Brandon, you went too far.

And then y'all might be like, yo, you're tripping because the culture is different in sports and then the entertainment. Right, one time, I'm playing for the I'm playing for the Giants. Just went from the Jets to the Giants an eighteen, good job team, my last real cup of tea. We got O'dale Beckham Jr. I went over there, Sterling Shepherd, Eli Manning. They just came out he but he got everything else right, he did. He the man in New

York when he comes from an after standpoint. They just came off the playoffs and come off the boat tour. They got trade songs on them, you know, doing all of that. They win and they lose in Green Bay. So in my mind, I'm like, we just imploded with the New York Jets. Let me go to the Giants. They got the number one receiver in the league and him, I'll go on the other side, take push off of him. They got the top five defense. We're gonna win the

Super Bowl. That's my mentality. So I go over there. Anyways, and uh, what was that? What was that going with this? The locker room? So I like the Giants. There you go. So I'm with the Giants and I get there, and this is my twelf year. It's my actually it's my towel year. And I go in the shower. Because you gotta understand this. We're gonna locker room. Got sixty guys in one locker room, come out of practice. You take all your clothes off, throw it in the ben, you

put your whatever. You go in the shower, and the shower ain't know individual stalls. You got twenty guys in the thirty guys like school. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's like that. It's like it's like that, it's like prison whatever that means. Yes, So I'm in there. I'm in the shower at one time, right, And this is when I knew it was over, and I knew I was old. I'm in the shower and I'm just minding my business, like there's rules to it, right.

So you're in the bank and I'm hitting this and the dude look over, he staring at me, like what are you staring at me? What's something good? And he like, you're Brandon Marshal. He said, I used to play man with you when I was in middle school. Next you next Sunday six. He's six six three other pounds. I bro like, when you had this conversation the jail broad No, no, no's happened that in Ja? What happened? Somebody recognize you

in jail six six? No story that SI sorry when we talked about the locker room, because we talked, we came out for that and you're like, I don't know what happens in the locker room. That was one of the most awkward. So it's any given Sunday, Like that's realistic. Like have they has ever been a fight in the shower in the shower? There hasn't been a fight in the shower. But I saw I was playing for the Dinverer Broncos and dudes was hot. They was heated, and

they on the field. They took the beef to the locker room. Now you're nine percent of time, like, all right, we go to camp, hard knocks. Everything you see on HBO offense versus defense. And you talked about this earlier. Were fighting. We don't like each other, but as soon as we get through the preseason, now we want team, and now we're talking about playing against the coachs, the giants or whatever you feel me. So the fights and practice it happens. But usually it's like, man, whatever we

get in the locker room, it's done. So there's a couple of times where it carry into the locker room. So when I'm playing for the Denver Broncos, guys get into it. It was a ride receiver and there was a defense in wide receiver from Duvo. Y'all know, y'alla. So they get into it and they go in the locker room. They get in the locker when they still yeah,

they're still talking. But they take it off the ham and they're talking off the shoulder, fans on pas, the hit pads, all of that, and they put on the shower, they put on they put on the tower. They still talking. That ain't nothing. We don't fight in the locker room. That's dead. On the field and then all of a sudden they go in the shower. They're still as they're going in together, still talking and the boys. Yes, yes, I've seen it too, grown men and their towers fight

and then towers and I'm like, what's going on? Like, what's going on? Yeah, I've seen that one time. I've seen plenty of fights in the locker round Geno. Oh yeah with the Jets. Yeah, now that wasn't a fight. That was the one hit. Yeah, what happens? It was a snuff you what happened? He was there, Yeah, quarterback stars. So we finished practice pretty pre finished. Finished he walking in okay, and then and then and then Buddy says, you ain't ship this season. The last week was kind

of not good, do you know? Said something and no, no, no happen is Geno's already in the locker up. No, I'm good. You know, my mom's learning. I need to learn, ybody like it was. Yeah, So I come in and locker from Geno's locker. It's like where Fred is and I'm over here by the bar right here, And I just told you, like, that's not we can beat from the field, but when we get in the locker room. That's dead. You know what I'm saying. So like you'll

beat propecials. Everything guys is going crazy and you will never look up, like you get real aggressive and you'd be like, oh, that ain't ain't nothing happening, right, like, oh, I knit it up. That ain't ain't nothing we know in the locker room is dead. Were family, We're good, Okay. So I'm in the locker room taking off everything. I got my head down and all that here is y ya yeada, YadA yeada. And I'm not looking up, but it's aggressive, but I know, like that's the locker room. No,

we don't fight. I know what it is. At that moment. It's like it's none that, it's none of that. So I'm sitting there and then all of us, sure, I still don't look up, and then a lot of a stud out here again. Let me look up. Let me check Geo slifting the lock when the back in the locker room, big old dude, like two hundred sixty pound. He's from Africa, Nigerian, right, like, oh, this is real, but this is the quarterback and you talked about it earliest.

The seaton. You don't got no quarter one time. But one time I'm like all the shot. I'm like, so I run over there, and I'm like, I'm trying to just like seven eight of us trying to pull this dude two the pounds. I got three hundred pounders, I got three in the fifty pounds, trying to pull this dude off that Geno right, and then so anyways that happened Geno Smith, I grabbed my pull him in in the hallway. His jaw broke, and I probably broke his jaw for because he's bleeding out of just out of

his marthage. He couldn't gonna tell you. Heeding out of his mouth, and he like he hot, he want to find like two sixty pounds. Shut up, Like, stay with me, let's fall over here, Let's talk about what's going on. What happened? Blood come out a small and he talking, he hot, and I'm grabbing his mouth, like Nick, you could stop because he sorry? Why didn't you? Like I did? So what happened? So h'im in there? And the only thing I think about is I'm a wide receiver. My destiny,

my livelihood is in his hands. We got Ryan Fitzpatrick, who's our backup quarterback. He can't complete the foul your pass. I'm thinking about my twins that I just said, Yo, I'm not gonna get those honey catches here on the other side though, but I'm thinking about the quarter that I'm thinking about him throwing me the ball. So I'm like, damn, this is terrible. How you how you do that kind of ceo? So I run back in the locker room, and in my mind is like, Yo, he gotta see me.

I ain't thinking about the corporate of Maryca, ain't thinking about NFL. I was totally blanked out. I'm running to this dude, defensive lineman two in the fifty pounds rock diesel from Nigeria now just straight natural, and I'm running to him like you gotta see me running this mouth. And I ran up to him and I looked in his eyes, his eyes bloodshot, read and I was ready to hear him, and I said, Yo, this thick is serious, said bro, what you're doing? Why you in her quarterback?

And in that moment, I thought about saying, oh my goodness, I was about to smash him in his face, but then I just saw his eyes like I'm gonna lose this fight right now, totally opposite the direction. So I went up to the fight him and then when I seen his eyes, he turned around with you the pivot. Yeah, But then we went on to this point where you said we got hope. You know, his Patrick came in and end up leading us to you know, ten win season, and we thought we had us and then you had

the Rail that season year. You like the Rail. I felt like, this is it the yet, Yeah, I'm gonna love you know my life. Tell him loser. I don't know. Can you break it down for me? She's a very gun I'm a cancer almost almost. I was almost. So we oh, this is the backstory. Yeah. See, now you're getting into a third hour. No no, I said, if we go four hours, then that's legend. The conversations that the five is the longest. Who I need I need you to tell me it is the Jets. I'm gonna

give you to produce. If you go to the Jets with Dad, you know, and you go to the Giants with dead so so with the Jets, right, like, you gotta understand it's the biggest media market in the in the in the world, New York, right, So like that media market is serious. So the perception is is a circus, and it kind of is a circus. But when I got there, I was like, Yo, these people is good people. Woy the owner. But it was just like that was

my best experience. You gotta remember I played on seven teams. Yeah, didn't come m and right. So for me, that was my best experience. And how the people, how they treated me. The Jets, so there's a difference between the Jets and Giants. The Jets is like the hood the Projects. The Giants is like you're going like so, no, let let me paint this picture. Deffinitely start over. The Jets is like you're going to public school. The Giants is like you're

going to private school. And they're both playing in East. Brother Frotts right, kind of as two New York teams playing in East. Totally different vibes. He got to the Jets, we don't care about no Giants. We ain't talking about no Snoopy Trophy, no truth, no Snoopy Bowl, none of that.

We're just trying to whatever. We're doing our business. I went to the Giants and everything when we're playing against the Jets, it was just like the Snoopy Bolus was this is important to us and all that like, because we're talking about none of that. We don't care about that. So it's a different vibe there. So here's what I would say moving forward. My prediction, they're gonna hire a black coach that can lead up, that can lead That was the Jets. The Jets, they have a huge diversity problem.

And it's the number one. And it's the number one. They got four black people that work for the organization. Coach. Hold on, here's what's gonna happen. There's gonna be a I'm saying that right now on Drake Chance. It's breaking news the sports for I know your culture is no other stuff hip hop, but in sports and football breaking news. It's gonna be a black head coach. I think that all right. And then also it's the number one job.

Why is it the number one job? You got two first round picks, you got draft capital, you got you got one to second round pick, and you got to third round picks for four years, and you also got seventy million dollars in cap space, which means you can go go out there and and and sign the top three eight. That's number two. And also you have to the number two overall pick. So you're gonna go get

that black quarterback justin fields. So the Jets, I'm gonna tell you the Jets and anything like, y'all thinking Trevor is going first, Jesson's going to Jackson. Black's gonna getting Trevor Lawrence, Yeah, going second. Yeah, manage there. I love it is black excellent. We we live in and breathe it. But why not? Why not? It's nine pm and that one I'm drinking V on the show. We're gonna go, We're gonna go. I don't fit something to it. I'm getting there. No, no, no, no, no no no no,

no feeling standing about four. I think as soon as we pulled up and we jumped up the van, the clocks are yeah, but I'm talking about the clock started at four p m. We pulled about four one. So we're gonna stay a couple of two minutes and Gus WoT put us number one over Buster runs right. So I said five five, You said five You said five hours? What what you mean? No, he didn't side bust. Hey, Oh that's a whole another, that's a whole another conversation.

Though I know we gotta go, but I'll take me to you know, my minutes, because we competitive as a as athletes. Right, So Buster went five hours on the dot. We're gonna go five minutes and five hours and five minutes. So that put us number one on drink Champs. Okay, right, so I told we're gonna hold that, and I'm also gonna hold the crown for because I drink y'all under the table. Alight. But but but Buster, but bust you put me on his new album? Yes, look, how old

is the hardest song out right? Now? Right? How old is? How old is? He don't matter? But that that's my point is that you don't see you only see it like two or three guys that's able to still produce at that level in the rap game. And you listened to his album and he didn't go with the pushing t route where it was seven songs. He went with

sixteen seventeen eighteen or something like that. And then and it was tough because there's a lot of there was a lot there's a lot of aging rappers and they put out stuff and it's like that is trash, No, no, no. I think Buster's album is phenomenal. Thinking classic. You know, you feel what I'm saying my mind, because give me, give me, give me all right, let's say this, give me the top five rappers right now plus forty. That's hot.

That's my point. That's why I'm bringing it. Give me five rappers, even Jesus, even Jesus, right, I know, I know, but but he doesn't get the credit though, But he will, he will, I don't think. Remember that's my point here. To stay with me though, But even thinking about Jesus new album like four, it don't match. But if you listen to the last two albums before we he just put out, it's like, okay, but that last album Jez put out, it was like yo, that right? You know

what I'm saying, Yes, but nitcy is he? I wouldn't put him at JO I'm talking about put out the album. I'm saying, No, he put out the album. Let's say he put out twelve joints. Can I ride to a leven on the fun? Yes? Yes, that's what. Yeah, bro, tell me bus be Marshal here, give us some where you at. I'm dealing with some personal ship, ye right, Okay, we're talking about yeah, yeah, we're talking about your album, and I'm what I'm saying as an athlete, what I'm

saying is yo, when he went happy. So so here here o g Here's what I'm saying. Like the album you just put out, right, I'm like, that's legendary. You know what I mean? Because huh, thank you King. I appreciate that greatly, brother, Yeah, because like how many how many aging rappers do we see age gracefully and still put out you know, let's say fifteen, sixteen, seventeen joints

and you can ride to all of them. And so when I listened to your album, you know what I'm saying, because I'm talking, we talked, we're talking about a lot of stuff right now, and I'm just I brought it up. Nori ain't bring it up. I brought it up. Like no, I brought it up. You put me on bus, You put me on bus, You put me on bus saying you gotta listen to his new album. But that's what I'm saying, Like, you forty six years old and you put out something like that, and it's like, Yo, that

is insane. That's legendary. So I just want to give your flowers. Oh man, thank you King. I mean, I appreciate you saying I'm forty six though listening it's an honor and it's a privilege to still, you know, be in a space for you to do what you love and be cashion it about it and and they get

received on such a profound level. So I'm personally grateful and home about what your your mother and with your words and your sentiment my brother and man just on a general consensus level, man, I'm just grateful that the world is appreciate you know what, what I still feel it is done to help us the culture forward as I continue to try to contribute and in a great way, you know what I'm saying. Yeah, And look, I know you're dealing with some personal stuff right now. We called

you just right boom like that. I just want to ask one last question. So to me, what you just did was legendary. Okay, I wasn't expecting that. I'm gonna be honest with you, okay, but like where did you go to Like how did you get to that place where it was like, yo, you put that out? You know what I'm saying, what happened? Was there something more? Was it? Like? Yo, I'm this is who I am. This is what I do, and I'm just gonna go

and and do what I do. Or was it something that happened, I mean, it's it's it's always a collective of things that happened in your life or just a natural progression and evolution. This is who I am in common time and space, and I just shared who I am now, saying like, I'm not trying to redo nothing, nothing from back in the days. I ain't trying to reado nothing based on people's you know, preferences or opinions. I'm just doing what feels good to me anything. You know.

I'm just grateful that it feels good to everybody, because you know, it's it's it's rare that you get to do the ship, that you get this right when in the same sense, it always has to be right to you first before you give it to anybody. But a lot of the times was right to you, especially after you know, this year's thirty years of my profession, thirty years, thirty years in the game. I'm really so, I'm I'm I feel extremely fortunate to be able to do something

thirty years later that feels right to me. That this recede in such a significant way on a global level, but I didn't really there wasn't like one significant thing that I was Yeah, I was wishing to collective of things. So just you try to make the moments that matter to you throughout the different things that you go through and have gone through. Okay, uh yeah, and I respect that. And you think you put this together and you should.

You know what I'm saying. Yeah, And I respect that, And I said, I know, I said that was the last question, but this is the last question that we go platinum yet Oh no, no, no, no, We're still on the journey. I mean, okay, okay, okay, okay, cool, because I like the drink Tims. We're gonna get you platinum everybody right now, for real, like for real, like no,

for real, for real, for real. I'm telling you because like there's millions of people gonna watch this show, and they watch your show all the time, and it's because it's like, oh bus forty eight years old. They don't they're not expecting it. They need to go download on all platforms and get this man platinum. Not don't forget platinum. I don't care about the numbers, but you're really gonna enjoy the joint like everything, and it's a it's an album that you can ride out to. You know what

I'm saying. So ay o, g thank you, thank you. You know what I'm saying. We connect soon. Man. You know you're the big home get you on the podcast. Yeah, you're the big Maybe appreciate you your love love not for real? Yeah, I'm a good but not for real? Normady do that like you gotta tell them people like how that's love? Because you told I'm gonna say this, Bro, I've been over it bits taking a nappy marriage, time shot whatever else? Shot never shot shot shot, Yeah, the

time nine, what's the time ninety? I'm gonna say this more time. I'm gonna say this, lord, nor Bro, you don't have a friend over the years, though, yes, you had to keep your face clean. I ain't never seen the nigger that call other nigga is the answer on the first call you called the night Yeah that that ship, Hey, that isn't you know the phone of his friend? That's that's he caught push your team. They caught pussy tea Yeah, and Jim Jones bust who yalla, y'all so crazy? Yeah? Right,

he was just what he don't. He was. He was just like, we got millions of albums. They don't matter. That ship don't matter. They don't even don't matter. Expectations. Y'all have money. Yeah, we already what do you reckon? He don't need to call no by he already won. He showed us alight. Yeah, you got it. Heye shot shot shot Yo. That's fantastic. Thanks for let me be what that means. I mean, let's take a picture, let's go.

That's very true. Yeah, I definitely mean this man. Thanks for joining us for another episode of Drink Chains hosted by Yours Truly, dj E F Fenn and n O r E. Please make sure to follow us on all our socials. Let's add drink Champs across all platforms at the Real Noriegon, I g at Noriega on Twitter, minus at Who's Crazy on I g at dj E f n on Twitter, and most importantly, stay up to date with the latest releases, news and merch by going to

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