Episode 241 w/ Pharrell

Trick up, motherfuck mother would a good being, hopefully super This is your boy in O R E. What up is dj e FN And this is Miller Tammy Crazy Bold. I don't know why I keep saying that Happy Hour drinks as motherfucker happy hour makes some Now, when we started this show, we said we wanted to do legends only. So this brother that's standing in front of me, for me, is the best producer of all times, all times. I'm talking about. This is our Quincy Jones. I see him

see music. I've seen him come into a session and just say yo and just change it and just this session become turquoise or purple and it just changed. The man has. He's a producer. There's people that make beats and there's people that produce. This is the producers producer. Then he's verged on into being an artist and he conquered dad and he he can work from anybody to an r A to Madonna and make it make The man is like Jesus. He walks on water and I

don't see the pillow cases gone. In case you don't know who I'm talking about, I'm talking about the incredible, the impeccable for brown. Motherfucking Now, I purposely didn't look at you when I was saying that, because I know how humble you are. You know, I know if for twenty years. I know how humble you are. But you are to certain people, fucking to certain people you are to me, I want the best producer of all time. Like I mean, I've worked with everyone. This is me,

me and my career. Um, you're you're the best producer I've ever worked with. Well, first of all, let me just say that I am. I'm you guys can hear me? Okay, I'm I'm wearing my mask because I got nineteen kids and my parents are approaching seventies. So you know, we all tested it, but I'm just my wife testing everybody say, maybe it's like, let's do it. That's how I poured you off. For us, we still got to do it.

Back to pouring you off. But being that you're not going to drink a spade are you're not gonna drink it? Because you know jay Z personally acts, would you get you high and some space? So if you're not keep picking with your bottle, actually drink why not the penguin? I already know what got damn I already knew what good damn it. But okay, so I wanted to say first and foremost, um uh, congratulations on you know, the continuation of your career. Um. And when I say continuation,

I mean we're all pluralist. And somehow, when you're in the music industry, they convince you to only focus on one thing because they feel like, you know, they only want you to pay attention to their interest. And eventually, you know, the the the the the people in senior leadership positions of these companies recognize that these other potential revenue streams for these artists could also be you know, contributors to the marketing to their partnership. Um, but you

saw this early, you were on this early. I remember when you were talking to me about it, like, yeah, you know what I'm thinking about going into this thing, Like I got this idea, I got this concept always have a camera. I didn't know why you always have a camera. My point is you were one of the first to do that, and and and you stayed focused until you realize exactly how you could, like you know, grow the audience and monetize it. And I think that's

a that's beautiful. And I want to also say that I am grateful that you would even you know that I'm you even want to have me on more because I think you guys, you guys talk about things that because I feel like, you know, you bring interesting guests on here, who really really say things that sometimes shock people, sometimes enlightened people. And I feel like, you know, you know, I've always been like that about myself, Like I don't

really find myself interesting. I'm always interested in the people I can collaborate with. So I've always felt like I would always be like a boring interview. I'm just saying thank you beginning than in the beginning, that's when I googled you, which you know your person. I shouldn't have to google, but I wanted to do my research thoroughly. So it said early nineties. Now, when they say early nineties, what do they mean? Like? What was what? Were you

and Chad hooked up in school? Correct? Yeah? Yeah, we were in high school. Um, started making music then. Um we met when we were like twelve, started making music when we're like fifteen sixteen. Um, we got discovered when we were in high school. And so once we got out of high school, Um, you know, we went straight in with Teddy and uh people. Yeah, Teddy Riley, you know he did you know the Dangerous album. He did a lot of songs on a Dangerous album with Michael.

I mean, he's Teddy is a legend. Um it takes two. I mean the show, Yeah, the show with Dougie Fresh rig like he's yeah, yeah, yeah, guy Black Street, He's I could just keep going on with this guy. The guy did Johnny Kimps just got paid. Or you want whatever you want, it's whatever you we live in your world. Brother, you want some Swan Swan tequila? You know what I'm gonna I'm gonna, I'm gonna go with the sense sah, we don't know how to open that, but we'll figure

it out. Okay, So I'm gonna go with the say so when they say early nineties, Our first thing that we ever did was Tonights Tonight for Black Street. Whoa and then um and that was That was written by Tammy Lucas, who was on that. Yes, yes, yes, yes, She's the reason why Teddy paid attention to us. By the way she she went to Teddy was like, Yo, you gotta pay attention to these guys. Wow. Yeah. The rumor is that you guys ghost produced. That's the rumor.

The truth is, my first time meeting Teddy, it was like eleven o'clock at night, which this is when I first realized that, like people in the music industry are vampires, right people talking to me about being a vampire, these guys are vampires. They literally wake up in the evening and the session doesn't start until eleven, sometimes two o'clock in the morning, and then they go until you know, it's like eight o'clock in the morning. You leave in

the studio, you're listening to what you just did. You know what I'm saying that was that was a new world to me. That's that's when Teddy showed me like there was a nocturnal world of creativity. I never knew that, right. We we worked like we went to work. We work in the daytime and ship and that's on purpose that they would work that way. Yeah, yeah, but it's it's a very real thing. Thank you your brother. Um and then um, so I put the record. I don't know

if you answered that or not. Yeah, get into tonight tonight. No no, no, I no know know tonight tonight. And I'm saying but but before tonight tonight, my first time meeting Teddy, he was working on rum Shaker. It was like eleven o'clock at night. So I want to do with zoom zoom zoom. They had everything. I Kill had put his first down, markl had his verse down, and Teddy was like, yo, you know, can you know? Can

you can you you? I heard you wrap? It was like yeah, He's like, can you write my verse for me? I was like, all right, cool, rapp your verse? All right right? Right? Yeah? He said can you write my verse to me? So I went in and like, I don't know, you know, this is breaking news for us because I was confirmed or not the story. So the room was you made the beat, so that's where the people people mistake that, But no, I could never I could have never made that beat. That beat with like

that beat transcended genres to me. You know, we don't know if you knew. Our show was about saluting our brothers. So we want to salute you. Salute you, my brother, because you know all motherfucking vampire boy did all this. We love you. So you wrote Teddy's verse. Let's take it from there boom. Then what happened on a Classic Records that's still to this day bumps. And then now this is your your because would you produce all artists? First?

That was my next where we were we were just like we were self we can just we considered ourselves self contained artists. You know what I'm saying, you can do it all. Listen. You know what I love this is like so like this is like so thug, super thug, barbershop ship, people got all masks, people smoking weeds, you can we're smoking to drinking that you were contained. We're definitely here. By the way, why the only weirdos ever want to mask in them? So far? Okay, don't Okay?

When you're your family listening drink. So was that your first time, like, because I'm know I'm bouncing all over the place, but you know, I've had sessions with you with you for twenty years, and I've walked into sessions sometimes where you working with an artist and you would have a complete record for them, and I just never knew that. I didn't knew. I don't know that sounds a little ghetto new, but I didn't know that people

would present records like that. I think I think that was the first experience I ever saw like where he was like you, like you was like us, your justin tim and it would be you do the whole. I didn't know that that's what you did at the time, like it blew me away. I think it was in South Beast studios, the Marling studios once and I was just you just playing me records and I was sitting

back like, holy ship, I didn't know that's what you did. Well, you know, it's interesting that you say that, because when you say South Beat, you take me back to when we made nothing that's right, and you were you were kind enough because I knew that beat, the original beat was not good enough and and they were kind of like I think even Christmas, like what you're talking about? Like what do you mean? Like it's it's cool? And I was like no, now, and now come on, let's

just let me. I'm gonna tell you my side. Do you tell me yours? This is gonna be a little long story, but just just sticking. I had just look next stoor to me at the time, was driving me back. He's driving all this crep. I'm I'm I'm good, but I'm not y'all real good. So I go do a record like Opposo and Leo cons comes to the studio. I don't know if you knew this part. I don't

know if you know the part. But Leo Cohens comes to the studio and he has the Jar Rule video and he plays it and it's me with my boys running around with Lamborghinis and you know, just just all this fancy rich shit. And he goes to me, how do you like it? And I go, I love it? And my boys like you love it? And then Leo says it's popcorn. And I never looked at popcorner is a bad thing in my life. He said it's popcorn, and I was like what, but he meant pop he said.

He said, he said, I want to tell you a story, Nori. So he said, if I cut you, what would you bleed? So I said, I would bleed blood, he said, And I asked me the same question. So I said, if I cut you, what would you bleed? New york On said run dmc sucker mc. So I looked at him. I was like, damn, that's fucking great answer. I didn't say that. So he says to me, I'm gonna ask you this one more time as your solo career. If I cut you, what would you bleed? I said, super

thug And he said exactly. For I was in Virginia waiting for you go out there, and he had already set up a session with you. So I've rented Virginia. Remember the original was, are you dudes really ready to ride? All you do? Want to come inside? You want to ride and ready to ride? So what you want to do? It was a whole different beat. Yeah, it was a whole different beat, and there's a whole different intro to that. And you told me to study the Jungle Brothers. You

remember that. So he was like, um, it was uncle saying, Mike g say what the joint the slam with his bandage of Chris that joint this slammed five thousand boom and watch sound System stated at all now listen to nothing and all pop beat say what that man with his manager christ and then labeled the jest flaws. So on your watch you ain't you dudes her ground you maybe still you know what I'm saying. This can't tell

he's a friendly with the Jungle Brothers. Don't. But you know what the first one you gave me before that it was he was like, Yo, listen to Vanilla Ice Ice Ice Baby, you remember that? You know what that was? I back, younger, who I can't do it? You gave me that first. I said, I can't. I can't for that ice. So if you listen to the fast holliba younger, whoa, whoa, it's Ice Ice Baby. All right, So let's let's let's bring it back. Yeah, we fast forward it a little bit,

but there. So let's get back to you writing all these music because at first, like I just thought you was a hip hop producer. I didn't realize how how super talented you was. Like when you deliver these records of the people, these people you're giving them a piece of your soul. Like how did you develop that? Is that producing producing? Or is that we were just finding

our way? You know what I'm saying. I think I think for us more than anything else, it was more like you know, um, we we were like, man, we're from Virginia. We don't know how long this is gonna last. Like yo, take that opportunity and like really really excavate as much as you can out of it, you know, all the excavate all the opportunity out of it that you can. It's like, yeah, I'm working with guys out of New York. I'm in Virginia. Like you know, there's

no deaf jam in in in Norfolk. There's no like r c A in Virginia Beach. Like who wasn't like Mad Skills was one of the few that had come out. Yeah but he was, but he was up the road so he wasn't really around him like that because Virginia Beach, right, yeah, we Virginia Beach. We love him. That's our brother. But like you know, that was like up the road. You

know that that Richmond mas was. It wasn't Maryland or d C. But it might as well have been in terms of distance, like drop the hand that he dropped a Newport new the Richmond was like that was Viina, like the beginning of the South. No, because botom Ale is not the South. Maryland is not the South. Then it's it's the South starts in Virginia. So Maryland is the South. Baltimore is the South. It's Virginia. Botimore was not the South. Technically it is. Yeah. Yeah, forty three

years on this earth means nothing. I've never thought of the bottoms to be in the South. I don't know if people in Baltimore consider themselves the South. Yeah, but that's the South. Even in football or south it's eastern football right sunny look up Okay, eastern. But but it's like it's not New York. It's like d m V. We're like the south west. You know, we all listen to go go. DC is considered the south too. I mean that's like child is all funked up right now.

You can say, you can say it's up north from US, but it's south of New York. New York feels like north to us. Up north is the state area. I'm saying d C still is East Coast Okay, I think what you're thinking the Tri State area is what is the real Northeast. That's it. That's all we got. We got New York and that's pretty much your east to us. I thought Bortomore was us Nah Bottomore or No, that's like look how it look. Look that's a whole other

world where they dressed the way talk. Everything that's not Philly is another world. But it's still a part of us. Philly is. But by the way, that's why they're part of the Tri State. You feel me like, once you get outside of the Try State, like you know, you get to that, you know, you start to get into them different kind of drawls, sudden draws, and you know what I'm saying, the way they dressed different and the fact that first of all, I think Philly is probably

Philly is where mcs are born. They just grow into the goodness, you know what I'm saying. And the music there, the musicality there is unbelievable, you know what I'm saying. Um, But when as soon as you get outside of that, you hit that d C you know, go, go, I see people fishing in the club. Yeah, crazy, that's that

Bake song. So you can see yourself a self producer. Yes, yes, But you know, if I'm gonna say like where it came from first, right off the cuff, And I don't want abody to get mad at me, because my Maryland folks was mad at me when I said something about Go Go, and I didn't really mean in that way this because I was only really thinking about Baltimore at

the time. But you know, when I think about like music coming out of the South, I'm gonna say Atlanta and and and Miami to me, at Miami made a lot of noise influence to you what from these areas influence? First of all, I mean in the eighties, like the Miami base was like everything you know what I'm saying, like the Gucci Cruise and stuff like that, and it looks like so powerful, ready to claim Yeah wow, okay, all right, so bouncing around right the nerves, yes, sir,

all right? What is the difference from the Nerves and the Neptunes? So any r D was created because for a very long time we were trying as artists as the Neptunes to get a deal, but that never happened because I was just way too out there and too crazy and and time wasn't ready for me, and I wasn't ready for time um um, and so the context

just never made sense. But then you know, it just started like my influence being out there more like with the way I dress and you know, just like you know, like swagging and like saucing on other people's records and ship. The market started to warm up and pretty much the gatekeepers, the A and R s had to it had to be their idea first. When I was presenting, and it was like, remember, like I'd never forget your manager, rest

in peace, love baby, Chris Man, I'll never forget. Like one day I was just like rapping so long, just kind of you know because at the time I could also like free St Island Ship and I was freestyling, and then they like picked up the phone call like while I was still rapping, and uh, I was just so full of myself at that time. I didn't give a ship. I just kept rapping or whatever. Like Rob Walker tell you that was a very funny story because Chris is like, yeah, you're hold on the second, I'm

still rapping and ship. He walked out and take a call and come back, like you know, Chris was real like that, and uh, but it was it was one of those things where like it just wasn't that time. So by the time we met Calise and then we put her album out over at Virgin you know, Keith Uh, Keith Woods at the time. Yeah, Janet Jackson, Lenneykravis and a lot of great rock acts were there. And that's so it's like after we did the Callise album, um, and she came out and she was a she was

a success. Um. We felt like they felt like, you know, what about you guys, Why don't you guys make a record? I was like, well, I don't want to make a record calling neptunes. At this point we're known as production, like we need to be something else. And that's when No One Ever Really Dies was born, which was n r D. But you thought, to a certain sting, you thought that was captain like calling yourself nerves because you're

really not a nerd. No, but we're not. If you think about it right, it's an acronym, which is no one ever really dies? Do you have? You know, the revision of the Nerds. Those guys were horn dogs. They were bad, they were horny dudes a thing, you know.

But I don't think looks. But here's the thing. We grew up in the nineties, right, We grew up in the eighties and the nineties where the nerds ended up They were nerds in school, but they ended up like driving the BMW's and the Mercedes, you know, and getting the all the nerds from. So we thought that was super cool. Every time that comes on, I think it's a beat about the drop because there's a note go

it goes bones. Look at you to Um, I want to get back to you for a bit because I know you're humble and I respect that, but you need to be giving your flowers. Um, you're actually, if if not, the best whild I say you are. But the wait Quincy Jones put melodies together and put projects together, your Quincy Jones of Wrapped. Can you accept that? I cannot? Oh my god, we're gonna you also you also you also. Let's take a shot of your swan ship. Let's go. Let's take a shot of that. What is it called?

It doesn't matter, it's it's a shot. It's called it's called purple rain. Purple Oh got shot? Classes, Okay, give me some of that. It's not a shot it's more of a set. But okay, but we're gonna take the shot. Goddamn you gotta gotta he already ready, goddamnit. Don't give me a shot of that too. Okay, please gonna don't we shot? Don't shots special ohip big boy from the Outcast. Just text me. That's crazy. We got goody map on Monday. I'm so glad you're I'm gonna take it. I'm gonna

take a shot. I don't don't leaven forgetting my subject. Okay, you look so so. Let me let me take my mass off of this law for give me. I'm I'm not supposed to be doing this crazy No, of course, take my shot off just to say this slut you know, cheers immediately text me since I took that so so so.

When you first introduced me, you said super kind things, but you also included Jesus, and I just want to be clear, like for anybody that us believe, or people who are atheists or whatever, God is the absolute greatest. I could never ever be compared. And I knew it was. I knew you were being colorful, I knew you were being poetic. I was trying to do a parable of course, of course, but I just have to humble myself in that moment to just be like, Yo, God is the greatest.

You gotta show about God on Netflix? Right, my uncle does call voices of fire? Okay, is this about? Let's break that down. So that is my uncle, um, And then I want to get back to giving it up to the guy. So you know, my uncle, um it was a child prodigy and uh at playing piano, and he was as a renowned um on the gospel world, was a renowned organist and pianist. They played for a lot of churches and at some point, you know, it was his calling to also become a pastor, and he

became a bishop. And I just thought, man, if he has all of that talent and was known previously as being this great, you know musician, that his choir needed

to be amazing. And Hampton Rhodes has so much talent that we wanted to make sure that we gave them a platform to build the you know, a great choir that pulled from all of you know, Newport News, Hampton, Newport News, Hampton, Norfolk, Virginia Beach, Poor Smith, um Chesapeake, Suffolk to pull them all in to get the best people who could arguably all sing lead if they wanted to, but have to work within the confines of being a choir and not being the one to sing the lead.

So being so good that you're able to be humble and can be part of something bigger than yourself. So that was Voices of Fire. That's beautiful. So I want to go back to this thing. God is the greatest man God, And I'm not I'm not perfect, I'm not sinless, but I know when I look over, like I used to say it on all my like like a lot of a lot of my career, like, man, why me? Like how did I get here? I know you've questioned,

and I'm sure you have as well. But the key is is because I think I think the universe puts us in this position because they because it knows that we're going to give back. It knows that we are gonna take our experiences and share the codes where the other brothers and sisters. And that's the reason why, you know, maybe somebody else might not have wanted to share the codes. And you know that in the music industry where you

see some people doing well, other people not. And it's only until you start feeling lucky that someone pulls you to the side and gives you the code, Like, why should we feel Lucky's branch Avenci positive energy? Positive Avencie sometimes positive energy. Why why why should we feel lucky that our brother or our sisters sharing the cod That's something wrong with the culture, you know what I'm saying.

So for me, I know it's my duty. I know I'm not just having these experiences because my own glorification, on my own enjoyment. It's because I'm meant to share the codes, and we're getting the shot of purple rain, and we just got to continue to do that. We got to share the cod. MA don't got to have colds got so I want to know the shot of purple rain. Got THEAMN. I don't know what it is. I'm not even ask what it is. No, it's just it's it's it has tequila in there. But that there's

a there's a natural flower that turns the purple. M hmm. I'm bouncing around a little bit right now. We got the human race, yes, sir, okay, you got they got skin cream too. Yeah, that is that cold human race as well. Yeah, so this sneakers apparel human race, right, and then skincare. By the way, we got a box, fring. You got a boxing damn it? Can we can? We bring it out? Hut me and my wife remember my right right there, we're gonna do some STI kid gotta

damn it. You're gonna do it. A looks beautiful your filming, filming, Okay, okay, can you open it so? I want you? Okay, alright, cool, I'm not a good opening. Yeah yeah, I'm not a good Give him his gift. We got some gifts too. We're sunny d We got to gift from you too. Goddamn holy ship. All I can take the tape off right, all right, cool, all right, boom, all right, now when you got the campus, zoom in on it. Thank you, thank you, thank you. This this is too fly. You

know what I'm saying. This is double box. You know what I'm saying. Come on, okay, we'll help me out this way at leave your dominican. Dominican is not to open every give it to him. You've been rags, bring some much whatever it is. It looks beautiful. Good yeah, and it's stuff right here too as well. And look it's another box. It's like the Russian dead. Look at that you focus it on that? Yo? Yeah, holy shit. So this is so elegant. It's just like I feel like I'm opening the g Q box you and thank

you and then give given. So here's the thing. Okay, So that's right here. Oh, this out, This is made in Japan. This is ye, this right here, and then this right here shows you like where to put it. This goes in your room. So that's your rice pot of cleanser. Wow, this is your exfoliator that has an ah callic acid in it, and it also has the lotus enzyme in there and that helps like exfoliate. And then it's the humidifying thing which also has a snow

must room in it, which locks in. Noister, this is what's gonna go in y'all bathroom, says goddamn god me two. Much like eating the massage, but no reason. Come on, yeah, come on because the lead put it back together. Need to please. I want to put it in my cock. Come on, this is this. Let me take my shot. Let me take my shot. You did you hit your burger brain? Oh yeah? And the super doc o g short, you know, we gotta gotta go. That's I'm sorry, man, we love you for over here. Sorry, sorry, we love

you now. I know I'm bouncing around a little bit. Yeah, but you got a chance to work with Snoop Dogg is after Snoop had went through his termorial with death Row and then uh he went to No Limit and then after that, you got a chance to work with Snoop. How how was that for you? So? I think I'm trying to remember, and I'm really sorry if my memory is not serving me correctly. But I think when we did church to the Palace and Beautiful, I think that was. I think that was on No Limit. Yeah, Okay, I'm

not I'm not sure. I think that was. Yeah, I think that was. Yeah, come on, how's you just sitting around? Come on, I'm sitting around thinking like you limits? Still that was? Yeah. I didn't feel like it might not have been it was right after that because there was the one with Snoops Beautiful. I felt like that was right after he left No Limit. Okay, maybe it was, Hey, but we got Google. We got we can't Google will tell us we can't guess. Yeah, let it shine, let

it shine. Make sure you got that on camera? Oh man, Nah, thank you? Come on, I didn't even intend that. I just wanted to present it to you. Let us Shoine baby come on, just be here. Mm hmm. Wasn't that the one that was on the limit? That album Polly Graham, Well, that's what he made. He became like an executive problem and he re released all those albums. But I guess my question is to be a little sorry about that?

Is um, you know this is this is a legend, right, He's worked with Dr Dre, He's working with all these other people. Is that pressures for you to produce, do something more? Or like what do you do like me in a situation like that? You know? I think pressure comes from um, from uh the idea of of of having to face the idea or the notion that you could fail. Right, And there's a lot of time that there's a lot of people that spend a lot of

time doing that. And as I said to you before we're from Virginia, I never lost that feeling like, man, what I get a chance to work with Snoop? The only thing I'm focused on and on is how crazy it could be. And my only job is to try to match what I'm doing with that feeling of man.

You're not crazy, this could be. That's when I knew, just for a second, that's when I knew, like nothing was not where they needed to be until we got to that place and I was like, no, do you understand, Like, Yo, we did super Thunder, we gotta and we did no exactly were fun right, and then even some of our like other records that weren't even singles are good, like we just we had joints like one of our underrated ones.

And then we'll go back to to to to big bro snoop is um no, I'm a I'm a g Yeah, I'm you know, it's pure. I was overweighted that time. I didn't translate in the video when the people see me in the video, I didn't look believable. I was just overweight. I was stressed out. So it's my fault that record didn't work. I'mna be honest, I'm taking that one. I'm gonna saying that one because like I mean, it was it was translated because you know who picked that record.

L A read el A. We hand picked that record. He was like, I'm going to bat for this record, but it was was. I was just so I was dealing with so much at the time, I couldn't focus on me. So the record was great. But like I told that to Buster, I was like, Yo, this time, you know what what I'm Busters? I'm sorry my all over the place. But Buster's album he has the look and the records. Sometimes you have the look and you won't have the record. Sometimes you have the records, and

that's what do you enjoy Busters this album? Man, I'm so happy for him. See directing these videos for Buss. Yeah, that's what's so happy for him, bro, because he's doing what he want to do now he want to do it, and he's saying all the ship he want to say, and by the way, he continues to reinvent himself every time. You're definitely happy for Big Bro. Man. I enjoyed it,

so let's get back too. So with Snoop, it was like, Man, he came in on his tour bus and uh, you know, he was like, Yo, just give me that ship and I was like okay, and uh you know, uh he would we're working in there, and then like once I was ready, he would come down off his tour bus. Because we were still working in um Master Sound at the time was Hovercraft were with chat and I brought the studio and he when he came in, we did Church the Palace. He loved that, and he really loved Beautiful.

I didn't. I didn't get beautiful. I didn't get Beautiful mainly because I was on there singing flat as fuck and um just just didn't hear it. I thought it was a fun record for Charlie Wilson, and I was like, man, Charlie sounding amazing, and this feels good to me, but no one's ever gonna go for this. So yeah, so I thought Church the Palace because it was harder. And then when that record popped, I was like, wow, you know and and and and Snooze always been that guy

that's like, yo, take me there, I trust you. Then you could tell that he worked with a season you know, a really seasoned genius producer who was really the really our generation's greatest producer of all time is Dr track two. You know, he's he's sorry, man, I got you number one, Bro, just let go, letting you go, letting go. But Dr Dre is like man, Dr Dre Bro, but we respect him, of course, we love him. But um but um um

Snoop was just like snoop. You know what, my our greatest rap records are always when I'm in the studio with someone who's a personality, and you guys were always like personalities. I didn't get a chance to work with Capone when I first met you, Capone and just he had gotten locked up already. See that's just something like that. It's a beat, the beat for you to make the introduce you. You got some perfect ring because I'm taking another shot. I got you want a little bit more

purple on purplein. I ain't gonna lie, I'm doing the Swan and ordering purple rain. This is this is look, I'm taking a shot. He taking a whole glass. I ain't allow. I'm turning this into a shot, solid, solidtle finish. Um. That's it good. That's why I wish you didn't tell me it was the killer in there, because it's so good. I might so now I'm gonna be careful because I hate to kill. You only get to tequila when you just want your energy to be turned up. But I

hate to taste. I can't taste it. This is why this is that swan. That's swine um. And you know for me, like I just feel like characters are always the ones that, like I'm able to give context to you know, Mona Lisa was a character, but Da Vinci was able to put the track behind her that made her face. Makes sense with that because if you take that, if you get her out of the photo and just look at the backdrop, it's like some rolling hills, a

little bit of water. Big deal. But it was perfect for her, right And That's what I've always enjoyed as a musician. Chat and I is too. You know, we did what it is right now. For Buster, I would have never been able to make that beat if it weren't for him, If Buster wouldn't have walked in the end the studio with that energy, and I had made it for him. But that's just like yep, and you

know you super thug. It's like Malik was was really good friends with Rob Walker and he was like, yeah, this guy gnor to check them out, And I knew who you were because of blood Money. When I heard blood Money, I did not understand, like, because there's not too many like the thuggish characters who are really dedicated to being a character as much as they're dedicated to being a thug. There's you, there's Cameron. You know, there's

just different guys. You know, there are new guys that I like today that I felt like they're going to character and like I just really love what they do and their verbs are great, but it's the the idea that they're willing to go there. The baby has that, you know, black youngster has that, you know what I'm saying, Like they're going to they stayed the character the whole time. A Black youngster TikTok is this is as funny, entertaining and as hard as his song. No but I see it,

you know what I'm saying. And people don't know the baby been around for a while. Yes, man, I remember b t was years ago. Like he's like really, he's like really a character. He's dedicated to that. You know what I'm saying, Nellie, it's another one like more people don't know. More Real was very real and he stayed in that character the whole time. Band Aid under the eye. You know what I'm saying, God to doing the dance, doing this. You know what I'm saying. Yeah, Like, but

those kind of guys, Snoop is one of them. I know I digressed a bit, but I wanted to make the sense, make the picture like, there's a reason you mentioned him because there's him you uh, but we supposed to focus on him. I'm sorry to cut you off. There's my kind of focus on him is because he had his whole aluxious career prior to you. So that's what I'm thinking, is like, Yo, are you thinking like you you're gonna mess this up? I'm gonna I'm not

gonna break a less record than you. Know what? I mean? What he what he's done with Dr Dre is that. That's what I'm saying, is no way. I'm like, man, I want to do whatever it takes to add to that. And I know what, Mike, I know what my ultimate competition was. I knew I had to make something that felt as good, not better, but as good as one seven on that the cover come as I glided through the called me Snoop Eastwood. You're like that, what this is? What a lot of people don't know how much of

a hip hop person you like? You really are? Like, oh my god, And I would think that's the most is it? Would you say it's important to maintain that fandom, to be creative with these people, Yes, man, listen, Hey. When I first heard this is won't too long ago. But I'm just trying to tell you these moments that when I feel it and I just fall over and I can't do anything with myself but just roll over and just die over and over again. When I heard

Gucci mains peeping out the blinds? Have you heard that song? Find at these niggas, Find at these niggas, find out these niggas outside, I feel like Malcolm maxic people and all the blinds, It's gonna be fine hunting niggas. Sorry, when I'm feeling not finding these niggas firing and the siren and finding these niggas outshine, I feel like Malcolm makes some people and the blinds he's gonna be has done its own shot. Who your man now? Click cleck what? Oh my god? No, no man down? Click clack? Who

your man now? I know you're heard about gut your man. Oh my god. You guys have to hear that. You know, when I get to that place, You're not it's nothing, It's it's over. It's like the first time I heard juveniles ha, oh my god. You know the first time I heard juven I was in New Orleans. I was. I was in there doing the Puerto Rican show at that in New Orleans. It's the weirdest ship ever, Like you got Puerto Ricans. Yeah, yeah, So what was your

what is that first experience? Like when you hear other when you hear other people records and it is dope, do you say I wish I could have made that or do you say, what did you I get the first of the record that you ever heard? You said, I wish I would have made that better question? Oh my god, there's so many one off top trial called quest Lyrics to Go. Damn. I knew he was gonna go to drive. I just Lyrics to Go. I was at Tammy Lucas's house. Me g new Cam we bought

that ship for the first time. We was over there listening to that ship and Shay was over there. We died. We died, We died. We all of us died. We died for like, it's dope. We died, okay, So and Bro gotta drunk. You died, come back and something's amazing. It's like, yo, you died. And then like and then bro when he said ship like fan when he says like, um, you know when people are boxing and you know, somebody is drunk and they're boby get knocked out. Be l

Now he did, he did, he did. He was saying, oh, he's in the cough okay. And or when someone's been drinking too much and you know they just finished for the night, like he's dead. He did a couple of times. And then when it's real bag, you're like, yo, he in the coffin, No bro, come get him here in the coffin. When it's real bag, to be like, yo, maggots.

He's maggots right now, he's maggot, Come get them. But that's not we but we but we find that comical because you see a person that and they in the mix and it's like you already know they're about to have another rough twenty four hours of waking up crazy hangover just finished. So we just you know, So there's two kind of contexts of using the word dying and dead. We try to stay away from the third one. Yeah yeah, Amene, Yeah, you've always been a guy. It's always been like woman

is around all the time. Yeah, how do you develop that? Man? I think women are the greatest gift to us. Um, they actually give us life. You know, I don't understand hating women in any way, shape or form, because that's forgetting where you actually come from. Every last human being walking around here came from a woman, unless you came out of a test tube. And you know, God bless you. But other than that, like other than that, like I

don't know where to go. But right, I mean right, all of us come from that amazing silver lining of an elevator through the conduit of a woman's body. So how could you not how could you hate on what gave you life? You know what I'm saying. And the other thing is like I say this all the time, you know, you know, man, we'll never know what it's like to be a woman because once a month they go through some ship that will never be able to understand. And they got to keep a smile in their face,

and they got to continue to deliver. They got to continue to work. They kind come to work and talk to you about what they what what what what? In the Native American culture they call the moon. They can't talk about when they go through their moon or through their cycle or whatever. They got to just do what

they do. I will never know. Can you imagine feeling like shit for three or four or five six days, and you still got to perform all thirty days of the month and thirty one days of the month, um. And then and then and then. The other thing that we'll never know the burden of being a woman is well, there's lots of them, right, like societal burdens that they get put through. They don't even get paid the same

of us. Like it's like you, we couldn't even imagine that's a real Still it's like seventy cents on the man's dollar. Yeah. So like but then and that's a

lot of them, right. I'm not talking about you know, women like Caryl Sandberg who they supersede, but even she could just tell you, like she goes through things, through things as well, or like you know our new vice president elect, um, you know Harris, you know Kamala Harris, Like she could tell you things that she's going through, um, even in the highest position like one of the leaders of the free world. But the other thing that women do too, man, is they bring life into this world.

They literally hold onto life. Like we don't as men, we don't know what that's like. We gotta do ship they keep doing stuff while they're carrying life in their bodies. Like my wife literally had four heartbeats and her body at one time because she had triplets, for god, right, so she grew through sets three sets of organs and her body while she had her own set of organs. So literally, my wife had four heartbeats going on at once. It's amazing, you know. So it's like it's it's just

my my my feeling for women. I love them from a from a lovely place, I loved them from a lustful place. I love them all the way around, and I just you know, they've always been a huge more vational force for my music. You know, there's always that. There's always like women were always the concern like, Okay, what are the girl's gonna think, you know when they hit its beata, how they're gonna feel when they hear this this this melody or you know what I'm saying.

So that's really the reason why I've always just happened in the beginning, like you know, from from Super Dog on, when we would play records or you will play records back, you wouldn't play a record unless a woman was in the second. You would be like your hold on nor like like like no, no, no, let's just just make sure like you always wanted a woman's opinion. And that's the reason why I knew Super Doug would work with the woman. I don't know if you remember, but Super,

my album was done. I'm gonna get to the first thing I met. My album was done. And you said to me, you can't your album is not done, like you're cocky in the beginning, like like in the beginning, like this is what I'm trying to tell you, Like you look at me like it was like, no, you're not closing your album. Your album is not closed. And I was like I didn't know how to you know, what's it called re forecast? Like I learned that later, and you was like, this is this is the greatest story, right,

not this part. This part of it's a part of the embarrassing. You know where it was that sound on sound studios? Oh my god. And I remember because Biggie used to go upstairs. A lot of people thought Biggie recorded and um bad boy, but around the corner from bad Way one block over. Remember it was on forty four uh Daddy's house, excuse me, and was sound on sound It's the first day I met you, I walked in.

You quoted me quote the Bloody Money, brough the room, quote the Bloody Money to me, and I was like wow. And then as soon as you finish, you said, but I don't have one thug bone in my body. I said, I like this guy. He's rare, and then you said yeah.

I was not closed though, and I said, so if you remember at the end of Super Dug, I'm actually saying in a R E Nori the remix, because this is actually going to use it as the remix to know r E. Because I was trying to do a big deal, but one more chance and one more like And what happened was we played the record too too to these NYC DJs. Oh, let me just I think it was all DJs, and you know what everyone said because they didn't understand that that tune sound at the time.

All looked at us in our face and said, this is too dark of a record. Next, let me get to it. So listen they I'm sitting there because the record that we want to go with band from TV and I'm like, we gotta go with Super Thug. And we played it for all these people. They said, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, do y'all understand what band from TV was? Does everybody know who was on that? Do people really understand? Yo? Do people really? I know? I I don't want to.

I just want to just take a hold on a second. Do y'all understand how crazy band from TV is? First of all, the title alone and people don't know like the actual band from TV like at that time? Let me tell you so, did DJ say the record is too dark? Meaning like it's gonna work at a tunnel And that'sh it. So that's the reason why if you if you look at Super Dug video, there's not one night time shot in the video. We shot the whole ship in the daytime. We did. We shot the whole

it was too dark. They swear to god, I should have clapped that goddamn But it was the whole And it was crazy because because that record spoke to us in the South immediately. Yeah, I had no idea, like like I was decided because to me, that was a South record. I'm like, oh, yeah, you always told me that. He always told me he made the South record, And I was like, really, I never understood that. Virginia's like,

I'm clear to David sound well. Just to be clear and not to get political, but Richmond is the capital of Virginia, but Richmond was also the capital of the control. Right. So I get to this point and I'll break it down because you gave me two like I got ten top phone calls of my life and you're tool. I don't know who called you and told you that they were throwing cheers. Yes, but then you called me and said strict this phenomena and I was like, what are

you talking about. He's like, they can't play in the club, they don't cares. The greatest calls I ever when you called me and he was like, this is it's really like you just I was like wow, because you gotta remember I listen. I was supposed to go into a deeper story with my father, but I didn't want to do that. But so you remember that called when you called me, was like they're throwing cheers, bro. I remember that. I don't remember that call specifically, but I remember that time,

and I remember that feeling. I remember Rob Walker calling me, going yo yo. They played the record in such and such and such. It was first time, first time. I guess that's where I don't know if it was there, but he was like, they played it in such and such. He was like, yo, and they had to turn the

record off. They kept playing it back to back and after a while, like they got like everybody was just getting unruly and he was and he was like, yo, niggas was throwing chairs and niggas are throwing chairs and I'm like what. And that was like at the time, like that's not a big deal to whoever. You know, the kids that are listening now, they don't, they don't

understand you. But we were, we were changing the tide of what what happened because honest, onest had a big moment where they were mash pitting and things like that as well. The only ones that we're doing right. But then here comes this guy that comes from you know, t O and Y and New York get the blood money would that guy? That guy, that guy had violator blood. He wasn't just like with with all due love and respect. He wasn't like just like a hood like Queen's Bridge Rapper.

He was actually met the people who owned Left Rack. It was like really wild at the un Yeah, that yo, that the product. I just blew my mind. I met them at the u N and they were like, yeah, such a left rack. I was like, met the like but but but but but I'm just saying, you know, I knew that you were a character when I heard blood Money. So here we go with this song and and and I felt like we had chatted. And also said to me, you said just listen to me like that.

That's swear to God. And I was like, I am, I don't know why. I just was like, and it's crazy. He was the exact opposite because I had a four x on at the time. You remember, this was baggy baggage and you came in with tight clothes from him. Again, I was like, and for some reason, I just believe you. So I'm gonna get to the story and then we're gonna bounce back. You gave me, made me two beats, and I was on my way to Miami. This is

why the Marland Hotel is always significant. So you said this third beat, don't listen to it to you land in Miami. And we landed in Miami the Kent Hotel. Whatever promoter is, he was a foul person. Can come on, I'll put you in the I'm not I'm not groundless.

Never let this up. But anyway, so I go upstairs, and I remember they pooled us across the street from across the street, so I go there and I remember, I remember I played, so you played me the first two ones and sound on sound if you said the third one, don't listen to until you get to Miami. So I got to the King Hotel, whatever, get upstairs. I played at you and then you already had it. Man, well Noriega. It was the first time a producer took

their time to make a beat for me. I don't think you guys understand what the hell I'm trying to say. Like this time, people just give you a beat and if you like it, they'll just sell it to Cougie Rap or sell it to you know whoever. Like when I heard that ship, it blew my mind. You know, I wrote that whole ship in like twenty minutes. I

was like, and I called you immediately. The only thing I said I said because Tammy Lucas was saying yeah, yeah, and I was like, cause she's changed it to what what he was like, tomorrow we'll do the right track. So I was like, I'm flying back tomorrow. And I flew back and that was that was probably like what made you do that? Like what made you put that? Because I swear to God I was. I was buying the beat just because she said my name before we was in the studio together. I was like, how did

you what's the whole story behind? Because I always told my part, right, I definitely don't know your part when you're presenting me that beat. And MC light told me she had to beat once society told me he had to be an artist that was on what's Lucas Nabor Sipping Side Sipping Side records? He said he heard that beat.

I don't know about that. I'm just saying I think I made something for Light and we were definitely trying to get because like looking at me was for B B D. If you think, but they're looking at me, that's for belvote. Yeah, I could hear that they passed on it. I don't think that. I don't think that it makes the time. Yes, but well look that's how God worked though. Man. I may look um are the queen Janet Jackson are siss? We made um slave for you?

And she actually recorded it, but she just didn't use it. And when she didn't use it, we gave it to Britney Spears. Wow. So I've been blessed with a lot of that, where like artists did not feel like something was for them, but it made sense for someone else. Gave me Outlaw for Nas. Remember that crazy outlaw I've brung it to Nas, y'all And I was like, I don't get it. Yeah, remember, yes, actually made that for

not Yeah. Yeah, I'm telling you, bro, I don't know what happen my whole remember it because it was just crazy, because the crazy. It's crazy because I am such a I leaned forward so much that my chronology of things, like I told you, I thought maybe, like you know, Church to the Palace and Beautiful might have been on Um might have went on no limit and it was actually a priority. Sometimes I'll be I'll be mixing those

things up. It wasn't the limit priority as well distributed it it was, it was, But I think they got smart. So that was one of my first my favorite. So did we finished the supertrug? I still want to know how that came to be? Did not? Thank you? So that time, at that time, we were still like we were making money, We were still making making music, you know, and Chad's moms and Chad's parents house. We still like, we just felt like I had a vibe in there,

so we're going there and make new music. But they started getting too loud for his mom, and his mom was eventually starting to get six, so we had to like move up, you know, start just working purely in the studio. But there were times when we would go back in his mom's house and make music too, because we just felt like a big bottle of Man, do you mind you know this is that big because you were popping this big bottle? Yeah, listen, listen. Love the

Big Bro. Loved the Big Bro, you know, you know the whole you know, he sent this personally, you know what I mean. He wanted you to get you know what I mean. Goddamn it, I'm continuing stories. Wonderful um, But yeah, that was Tammy was around. We was like making beats and stuff, and she would be there and sometimes she would hear things and she would sing on it and she heard that that what did you say it was at first? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

yeah yeah. Yes. Is the life y'all of a superstar? Yeah yeah, yeah, man, Well, no, Riega and the Philippines, and I was like, dude, this is nigga, my dj it's fun to Philippines is ill. I was like whatever Google that was like he googled the nigger like it wasn't Google. I was like yo, he said yo. I felt obligated, so I wrote the whole rhyme. I came back the right track and I laid the whole ship. You know, the what what's is how I counted bars that was never meant to be the told me. I

was like, what what what what? You know? You know, I didn't know that until like maybe ten years ago. You was like, listen, I remember laying because I didn't know how to punch in. You fucking young motherfucker's you your young motherfucker's with your punching. I didn't know how to punch in, bro, So I laid the whole ship, like straight, bro, I'm older than you though. By the way, seven damn godmn, you look at twenty seven. I'm gonna do this, goddam. By the way, this is the greatest,

greatest session of my life. So that's the reason why I remember it. I don't remember sheh, but so I remember, and I just later I remember right track had the upstairs downstairs, so I think I ordered some food or something and you were just down there and I kept saying, you got I got the hook and he was like, I got the hook already. You would like just brushing me off. And I was like, alright, cool, I had no idea what you did with it. And I was just you just I just listened to you. It was

just like fuck it. And I said, Yo, they're gonna laugh at me. And he said, this is your words. He said, and you're gonna laugh all the way to the bank. And I said, and you were right. And I had the number one record milbeb. He had much for Lil Bean the other day and he was like yo, bro like and he was telling me how he should

have listened to me because I said yo. He was like he was saying, like he's like, yo, that sound at the time, like that's how they described the net tune sound at first, because I guess it was affiliated with me. They thinking you guys, because it's tough. They were saying, that's a dark sound, bro softest butter, I've never been a tough guy. But no, but you're right. There were times when people like yo, what's it'tn bro

Little Wayne. Little Wayne took me around. We went to visit we were doing the show down there, and like he was a fan and he took us to UM this club down there and and it was the equivalent of being in d C. Like sometimes d C have you know what's what's what's what's what's bro name that? What's his name? Kevinn? What's his name? That do all the like d C clubs there he did dreams Mark Mark Barnes and why the said Kevin? So like they have like Mark, listen, love and respect to Mark Barnes.

He has some of the craziest amazing clubs and venues that like life Life part took and with created at babies were made there um or at least initiated UM and and and and in in New Orleans, in Louisiana, there was like these clubs that were just as big, Like you go to a club that had three thousand people and Little Wayne took me the one and this

was the most gangster shit. I mean, there's a couple of times where I was like in an environment, I lost my fucking mind, like and lead immediately like left the studio, like I mean left the club going, let's go make some music. Little Wayne took me to a place in New Orleans, Man and it was white teeth, white teeth, Central gold Tief, gold teeth everywhere, and you could just the guns were in the club. Bro, everybody had a gun. Bro. Like it could really it could

have like it would have gone down. A lot of people would have got like like hit up and for me, like, I'm not a tough guy, Bro, I I'm really I really believe in paying taxes because when you pay taxes, when you pay taxes, it's like you shouldn't feel no kind of way. Doling nine one one. You know what I'm saying. Like I'm saying that I'm like not tell the guy. Yo, listen, you think Steven Spielberg has many

great movies he's ever made, or Standy Koprick. You think these guys are good fucking shots, the terrible shots, it's probably never been in the gun range. They can make the movie, right. I make the music because I'm inspired by it. Literally, we were were we the other night, we was we was at the Hit Factory. It was god yesterday they were shooting like four or five shots and ship well because that's in the so you know. So, so Kelly comes in, She's like, can I talk to

you for a second winter session? He says, can I talk to you? Say like yeah, She's like yeah. So they're shooting in the parking lot. I'm leaving. I'm like, where then are you going on the shooting outside? You act like the sucking the uber or the lift is gonna pull up in the middle of the ship. But literally, I'm not a tough guy. I knew I'm staying my ass inside and the fucking FBI is on speed dial. Not a fucking tough guy. People say things about snitching.

I'm fucking snitching. You know. Everybody plays their part. This is a movie, but you, guys, everybody plays the part guys snitching. This's doing nothing around me. I'm not doing for the nitching. Hey getting that out. Hey, I have a purpose. I have to be me. I have to do my job and I have to play my part in this movie. And my partner is I told you not to do that ship. I told you I wasn't built for this. I'm really sorry, but this is your deal,

your honor. Jury are you guys are saying I asked him not to do this, and if he was gonna do it or she was gonna do it, don't fucking tell me, Well, you're civilian. You can get away with that one minute. The world everybody's everybody's not sucking nay five years in a condition you know you are not built for because you want to look tough. I am not fucking tough. You know, you know, I don't want to look like fucking free and having living my life.

You get away with that totally. No street person in the world will be offended by saying that, because you're never claimed with tough. That's the problem. The problem is it's not people um that think like you. The problem is the people that that portrayed a certain image. You have never betrayed that image. So no one can ever be offended by that statement that you and how many people do you really know? Really right, and don't tell how many times y'all talk about y'all your friends is

the hardest guy in the world. Motherfucker's like, it's a middle ground. There's a middle ground, but it's just how many just there's not just super gainst in telling there's a middle ground in there and you're here right now you're here right now. We're not we're not living against the life for not the perfect that. This is where we're at right here. This is guys who survived the street. Like what we're not telling you? But I mean, we're

we're not involving ship. We're not involving that. We're not involving. We're not involving ship. Were not with nothing. We're good. We're good, good, hey man, when we play our taxes, I am a bicycle, not a four wheeler. Okay, I meant the ride, but there's only so much weight I can take, and there's only so much terrain I can take, and I can only go but so fast. I'm very clear on that. So let me switch the subject a little bit. You mentioned little Wayne, Little Wayne and put

your teeth. Yeah, they had this discrepancy. Yeah, what was your stance on that? My stances. I didn't want to see that go that way? You know there was you know, um that didn't make me happy. I hate to see what him and Drake are going through, or what they went through. I hated to see all of it, every bit of it. It was never it wasn't it wasn't good. Drake's amazing and Drake is all powerful and he's so talented.

Too far. You didn't push it with too far, you know, like I push it in and tell me because he knows I would have, you know, stood in front of him as much as I could. But he's a different kind of person. He's a tourist, you know what I'm saying, And tourist people. I don't know if there's anybody out

there right now, but tourists April April. My daughter's a tourist, right So when you and when you feel like a line is crossed and you take off the gloves, that's just where your brain is at, you know what I'm saying. Where's Drake is a scorpio? And they never forget. And that's in the December, Yeah, like it was. It's just the worst combination of two people who are very pure and very loyal to the people that they love. And it's crazy because you you could do what happened to

that boy? What push the t bird man? And when yeah, you know, I didn't want that man. I didn't I It's still it still breaks my heart to this day because I would have loved to have heard those guys on a song together. Or heard a joint project together. You know, push it in Wayne or push your Drake, push it right. I would have loved to have seen that have been singing and push your hitting the balls whatever. And Drake, Drake got bars, bro, Drake got by the way,

push your says, Drake got bars. Yeah. When Drake makes something that's amazing. We talked about it all the time. When something's a it's amazing, it ain't that. It ain't that, it's just that pushes up really tonicship relationship with Drake, like, um, has it affected it in any way? I mean we've talked several times. I love Drake, I mean even in the middle of all that stuff, like he would like he like he's said super nice and kind things to me on the d M and and and in public.

Like I don't think Drake doesn't. Neither one of them are into problems. They don't like it, like it's unnecessary. But they're both people who, like, you know, when when when they feel like they're being pushed to a limit, they gotta do what they gotta do. I don't know, it's all good. I um, that didn't you know that didn't I wasn't happy about that, you know what I'm saying, Um and I and and man, I talked to Push all all the time, like he's he's really a good guy.

It's just in his mind. He just felt like when the gloves come off, gloves came off because he mentioned this girl, right that, Yeah, that was like that was a different kind of line. And by the way, and I'm sure it would have you know, if Drake had a girl and they were as serious, I'm sure Drake would have felt the same way. But again, it's like that's the thing with rap, like you know, there's there should be rules, but there's kind of no rules, and

people will do and say anything. Man, the stuff that Big and Pop went through, and he had a Dida's deal because like I know, like you Big and Adidas as well, Right, Drake had Adida's deal and Push the Teak got him up out of there. He did, he did had he did have a deal there. But again, all of this was unbeknownst to me, Like Drake told me that he had a situation there, but I didn't know that any of this would ever come up, you know, and I like I would never I didn't want to

see this, man. I didn't want to see this. I just think that they're super too, super talented guys that man. You know, black people and especially black men, we haven't had it so easy in this country and even in Canada, like it's not been so easy for black men there, and when you think about where this country is going, like seventy one million people did not like the turnout of this election, and they were all complicit and cool with a lot of the things that happened because they

voted for it again. And um, I gotta give my respect just as a citizen, I'm supposed to respect, you know, the the current administration because they are the leaders of the free world. I don't agree with a lot of things that they say. I don't agree with a lot of the policies, and a lot of that has come down on, you know, on black males. And yes, you know they have been you know, um, they have been you know, reversing uh sentences and pardoning and doing all

these things. I know, Kim was a very it was a very played the very intricral part of that. But I don't give a fun man. We are an endangered species black men. Bro. So it's like when you see two people who are so fucking powerful. And you see men that look like Drake die or be paralyzed with with police bullets in their back, you know what I'm saying.

Or you see black men that look like Pusha who die with police bullets or dying just in general, just from like the the very dark forces of racism in this country. My only thing is to say, you guys, you guys are both live in great lives. And sure there's been some overstepping on both parts. I'll say, man, like, we better than this, and we gotta we gotta we we too. Zoom in right now, bro, we need to zoom out. We need to zoom out and see the

bigger picture we we need We're stronger together. And and and I and I've wanted to do that, but it's not something that I can do. I mean, record you produce it. What do you mean? I'd be so honored. I do I do whatever for that, I do whatever I want that to be. I wish that that did not exist. You know what I'm saying, this didn't exist. I wish all of it just it was never It

didn't it wasn't good for anyone. It was literally both of them, like feeling like, no, I'm not backing down, you know what I'm saying, Like, why should I back down? But it's like, no, you guys are you. Guys are bigger than you. Guys are bigger than this issue. You know what I'm saying. I mean, Drake is arguably one of the biggest. No, he is the biggest artist right now,

He's the biggest you know what I'm saying. And Pusher is like one of those guys that like he continues to up his ship like lyrically, people know he's the most he's one of the most respected lyrically, and like by the way he's consistent with what it is that he does. He just continues, like it seems like he's getting better and better and better. I just that would be the greatest thing for me. I mean I didn't come on here to talk about that necessarily, but man,

this is hip hop. We just were just so much bigger and better than that. Man, And we need your opinion too, because people don't get your opinion. Yeah, well, you know, I stay quiet on all of us. I tried to stay out of ship. Are we taking onto the show of Purple Rain? Let's taken on the shot of purple rain purples? Yes, please, we have legendary print stories here. Drink? Did he float the purple? Purple smoke every time? Prince, We're so cool. I've tried for years

to make records for him. My first attempt at making a record with him for him, Uh, UM's fronting frighten was Prince, that's crazy. I'm finally figured this out. How far did that go? He didn't. He didn't want it, so he didn't even take it all right, tom On, did he hear the whole front? He heard? Um? I think he heard the melodies and again it's been so long, he might have heard the hook and maybe the melodies

for the verse or whatever it was. When I finished the verses, No, I think I wrote a different version of it a little bit for him, and uh he you know, he wasn't into it. It's one of my favorite real records of man. That was me pretending to be him. Really, Yeah, you got me my all of my I'm telling all of my you go see you all right? So you was trying to that's your Prince in person that I was trying to, just the one good I thought would have been good for him at

that time, you know what I'm saying. And he was like, nah, but we did do either for it or after that. Again, I'm sorry the chronology drunk facts. We got drunk facts here. Uh, don't fire me, Richard mill Um, but my time is off. Um. So you've got that at one point five Richard mill On too. We'll get to that later. Were watching me, watching only but only dude, I know that you wouldn't hope. I think it's the only dude, I know what they

only your mill But we'll give me that later. So so that one, I just felt like we did all this other one the remix called the greatest story that's ever been told. I think that might have been before. And then I tried to set then I tried to like make frightened for him, and he just was like, I don't even know we heard back. The answer was just no, I could hear him now that I think about, I could hear him on that, and that would have been incredible, dude, d yeah, that would have been I

was like trying, that's why they're brown. Thank thank bang, thank thank thank thank But he wasn't into it. Michael Michael Michael turned us down because that's my next day, back to back Prince Michael. But they both turned us down. They were like, that's the second Remember I told you top ten phone calls in my whole life A second top ten is this is after you tell me they're doing cheers whatever. Alright, cool, it's really really blown now, oh no drops, And now I'm like elegant to a

certain extent. People like Hype Williams video video. Right. That was where that was where whenever anything it was hot, we'd be like, remember that time. That was a different era. So you hit me and said, yo, I just said Michael Jackson some beats. I'm like, I'm like, like, I didn't understand this talk because I'm like, damn, I'm not no Michael Jackson ever at all. So I'm like, where you said to me? He told we, Nope, I don't think nor we will rhyme on that. I was like,

my life is done. Yo. John mcclaim was his manager at the time. We sat him pretty much all the stuff you guys are hearing on the first Justified album. That's all the Michael stuff to justin Justin Timberla, Oh, yes, okay, go ahead, all but one song. They were all written for uh Michael. Whatever of Michael's is. Remember the time era this is right at the super colg right, you robbed My World right before that and m and John McClain was like, man, Michael, don't want that ship. They

want the ship that you're giving Nora. I'm like, immediately thought of Michael with the crypts in the blood picture. I don't know, no bosh it. He was like, yo, he wanted that super thug. You know it wasn't other one y'all just did I would have been a crazy Michael. Remember where I called me? I was like, because I haven't really like I'm still a kid. I'm twenty maybe one. When he said that to me, It's like, yo, Michael

told me I've been you said maybe the manager. He said, they want this ship that would no where we wrong on And I was sitting back like, I was like, I hung up the phone because in my mind it was a flip star Tech. So I hung up and I was like, what the fund did? I just here like I didn't know how to assess that. And Farrell was telling me, no, I couldn't make wreck music for Michael. I wanted to keep you in mind, like something he would rhyme too, and I was just I was blown away.

That's that's my top like Biggie called me before he passed away. So this is my top ten. Did Biggie say he wanted to r and yo? Yeah? Oh my god? It was crazy and what happened? What happened? Why? Why did it not happen? He was in l A when he called me, so you know, you know how God blessed that rest of the biggest smalls. But on that l A trip he had called me toking. Um. So this is my top ten calls on my whole life. I'm gonna write him down. I don't write him down.

IM gonna make a book my top but first of all, you have to do a book and you and it has to be my top ten calls, top ten calls. I think. I think I'm gonna make down a book. This is listen listen, and you have to be so vivid about these stories. Just your brother, you know, this is what I do okay with with the Michael Jackson story, I know, but hold on a second, let him produce. You brother, I've always my whole life got there, you know,

like like it has to be ten calls. By the way, any any of the publishers that are listening to this, and let's the good ones come on, come out of the water works. This is amazing. It's super colorful because

those calls are fucking crazy. Yo, fucking yo, notorious b I G wanted to get on and you know, my dumb ass bl I'm sitting there thinking my shirt is bootleg, so I'm like because it wasn't out, so I'm like, yo, but I forgot nat Iris, who produced it, was worth a bad boy, so he played it for Biggie exclusively. Does anyone know how incredible nice Sheen Marix was it is? Does anyone know that Nashi Marix? Do you all understand

what he did with Queen Bitch? Do you all understand Nashin Marix, brother, I think I've met you one time. If you're listening to this, you are absolutely a periodic inspiration. What you do and what you've done with so many songs has moved me. Chad pusha fam like you don't even understand. You know how many people got shot to Queen Beich, to Queen Bitch because no bullshit. Listen, listen, listen, listen.

I don't want nobody to get shot. But I'm just telling you as a fan from a Stanley Kubrick Steven Spielberg perspective on the movie A bro Possess, how many times somebody got shot? To Queen Bread, to queen bitch? Are you here? Bla bla blackap You don't understand what they did two D the Norfolk Enforcement. You don't understand some of the most you listen. I know New York got guns, but you don't understand. We're listening in Virginia.

They senselessly kill. It's a very different thing, you know. They just jealousy and envy. Envy from a distance was enough for you to get shot at. And that's not something that I was into because I was done. However, and the closest to the closest to the exit with my old g is going, are you good? They're not. They know not to do that dumb ship over here, shout all the like, all of my own g's, all

of all the back one like them. They're like those guys were like deities walking around like Apollo and fucking they were different. However, shout that purple rain, Yeah, that shook one's blood. Money when number records came on in Virginia. Listen, I don't understand. I don't understand how to really communicate that to y'all. And nashe Marix was one of those guys, those beats that he would make. I don't know what the funk would possess this guy to put some of

those baselines down to some of those samples. But man, listen, I take my hat off to you, brother. You are fucking different, and I encourage all young producers. It's not trapped music, it's not rap music up today. It's from a different era. And I'm telling you right now it incited riots. We're done. Go ahead, biggie. You wanted to be a biggie, wanted to be in be on T O n Y. That is like, oh my god. So

this is from Charlemagne direct right, he said. I always wonder if in his mind did he ever compete with Timberland since they vote from Virginia, Like, was it ever like a competition? At one point I did think y'all was in competition. Timberland has always been better than me, and I feel sound wise it was a whole different lane. Timberland has always been better than me. Period. Timberland did like he four feet that's the respect that you have.

Come on, Timberland. Timberland didn't he to be the guys, you guys, let's stop. Timberland did four page letter. Timberland did what are we talking about? It's just it's it, it's over. What is jigger man? Trigger man? Hit your van up. I'm gonna stop right then, come on, I'm beat anything on you on versus again? No man again city for anybody? Would you ever think about doing the verse? Never? Never know, because that's just it's not my thing. I love watching them, but I just like I would get

in my own way. I stopped playing ship. I see like I play your records. You just you just it just wouldn't be the right look for it. But I've seen your comedies at you with like it's like like it's like back right, they say back, and he got baract the nigga speaker, right. So then the guy he says with Barrack says, and then it's the guy that says, well, I would I would like to be your nigga speaker at that night you say something cool cool, humble ship,

and I'm like, what do he means this? I get fun with this right, I'm telling me, I don't be like they listen to me. Bro, Holy moly, nobody can't your broom. I don't fry Timper. I mean speaking because I don't want to say nigga no more. I don't want to say that. Timber the king, Bro, Timber the King, Timber the King. All right, so would you pop out Kan? Yeah? You on Kan yea in Verson. That's your little man. Kanye is amazing. Bro. You wouldn't have that. I don't listen.

I know my job, Bro. I'm not a boxer. I'm a trainer and and and at the end of the day, like you know, because I was I'm lucky to be able to throw a couple of shots and get a couple of a couple of belts. I'm very grateful. But this is not my fight, Like, it's just not my thing. How you can say that, I can't say that. They won't let me. They're trying to make me battle everybody. Well,

how can you can say that? And you're like, I don't know, I just I just I know my place, you know, Michael Jackson with that, No, No, I know my place. I will say this. I will say that you know I wasn't. I wasn't sure of what to expect here. I know I have a loving respect for your show, and I had such a I'm having such a great time. Man. Another shot of purple rate brand. Man. I just want you to know, man, our show is about saluting O. I see it. Legends, I see it.

You know when they people got ten years and more, they say this over right now, you know there's this new young producers. Salute this new young producers. You don't feel like that. So I also think that you should have a partnership with a florist. So all the florist, what we need flowers, All the florists that are out there. There's a lot of different brands, a lot of different versions, and a lot of different places coming from different places.

Like there should be a Drink Champs like addition of flowers, because that's all these guys are doing and giving people their flowers that so you know, you need that. You you need to you need to call, write, email, do whatever you need to do to connect with these guys.

And there should be a Drink Champs florist. And I'm just saying people will order, people will order from here, just because they want to be supportive of of of black and Latin X entrepreneurs like and they'd be very supportive of what you do because you do this on your podcast, like you said, you said, Yo, we like this is a show about giving people their flowers and ship right, so you should have that merchandise. They have flowers.

You should actually have flowers. Were gonna have a girl give it to you because I feel uncomfortable giving you flowers right now. I'm telling you see the kind of money that you can make a right brother, I don't tell you something. Not only that, you also had the most disrespectful jury in the game. At one point. You would like to Eric be a rock Kim off the new producers like like you like, you know serious, Let's keep it real, Let's keep it real, Let's keep it

brute diamonds. I didn't even know what that meant. I didn't even know. We just love it. Was like, let's talk about your jewelry game for one, Why are you really getting into it right now? Why not so jewelry wise? I um, I was what the fund is that? So what it's a mix of what and what? It's imagine a bloody Mary beer drink. Got it? That's my line. Okay, say again, everybody ever you listen. We know almost every company here. This is what this is. We all the

fooboo of the media. Everything is yes, yes, And the book, the book, and the book is important. The book is important to the legacy. The book is important to the legacy. And the florest isn't it is important to the future. Like that, like the fact that you guys literally give people that we have to do. Man, that's what we have to do. Come on there, there's some flock and feel it right now, there's some some florist that's gonna contact you. Guys would be happy to be y'all's partners.

And you pick them all out. God damn, you're not gonna lie. I must see you the pictures. You tell me which was to go with? When you start thinking about that, when you realize a kind of money for the make right now, you're gonna be very clear on what colors you want to pick. Good. So, wait, where where are we right now? Because because the purple rain is kicking out, we might need to figure it out.

Purple rain, Okay, jewelry wise, jewelry rain, serious, bro so so jewelry wise, Um, I've you know, I would have my like I would have like my inspiration like some sounds, I'm like, oh, you know what, you know, something as simple as a monopoly Um, thank you. Something that's simple

as like a monopoly piece. I'm like, yo, I want to do this, So I want to do that, right I did never did that, but at the time I was thinking that way, or like when I was going through like my jury motions, I was also dealing with cars, so I would say, Yo, I want to do SpongeBob. That's what made him start doing SpongeBob. I want to do Smurfs. That's what had him doing Smurfs. Now he

was an incredible artist on his own. He did something called the Kimpson's And it was at that same time that a sense of self discovery, that you realize that you could just have your own ideas and go in there and not just have to settle for whatever Tito was giving you, because I used to go to We used to go to Tito shout to listen to miss you love you brother every time he saw faces Man, and then and then there was and then I went to Then I went to Jacob and then like everything changed,

and then I met Lorraine, So I you know, I stayed very very very loyal to Jacob and Lorraine. And Okay, who's Loine. That's another Lorraine Schwartz. Yeah, she's she's she's great, she's great. I have be happy to introduce you to her. So Lorraine is like Lizabeth Taylor, like you know what, I'm kind of like that, kind of like those kind of levels. Um, she did Kim's ring, she did these rings,

she did my wife's ring. You know, we was early on the rain, like we you know, I'm very loyal to the people I partner with, whether it's a Dida's Lorraine, whoever it is, I'm turning the lights on, I'm turning everybody onto them. Um. And so jewelry wise, I just wanted to express myself, like you know what, I'm from any r D And you guys can keep getting fucking crosses. I've done that, but we're gonna do something else. And so there was this one moment colorful. There was one

moment we went to the BT Awards. I don't know what year it was, but for a surprise, Stephen Hill brought on Slick Rick was Dougie Fresh on there with him too. At the first was Douggie Fresh on there with him as well? At first, I'm not sure. I think he might have been. And if he's not, my apologies, because Dougie is every fucking thing and they got gotta dance.

Years later, he's everything. Slick Rick was on there with a short suit, meaning a suit with shorts right, burgundy with Burgundy Clark's on m and his jewelry and I am seen on the b T. Yeah. I don't know if it was a BT Awards it or if it was the BT Hip Hop Awards. I'm not sure. I can't remember. And he had on all that jewelry. And I called Jacob that night. I said, listen to me, Okay, this is in full transparency. There was no big Cuban

links before this. He had on a cuban and I thought about some of the stuff that he didn't have one that night that I've always loved. And I called Jacob. I said, listen, we're doing three chains. We're gonna do a bigger Cuban than you've ever seen, and the Gucci link and then we're gonna do a much bigger Cuban and then we're gonna do a Gucci link. But the difference is I'm doing them in white gold and they're all gonna be pavede. There was no pavade cubanstinum, no platinum.

I wouldn't have been able to lift my don know. That is like lots of diamonds, like you know when you see teeth, they're pavede, like paved, but paved. And I was like, listen, we're do wing. It's gonna be all sugar coated, basically paved. So pave Cuban link, paved smaller Cuban link, pavede uh Gucci link. And the first one is going to be of the one that I

dout forget the Saints name that's on the crutch. That was okay, that was me imitating slick Rick full on, and I only wore it for a little bit and after a while I realized, okay, this is too slick Rick, and I gave it to Nigo that I replaced that with something that with with the BBC helmet, all all pavede out three D and then I did the one of ny R D but in the bait characters all in the color coded stones and then there was like one more and I can't remember what it was, but

either way, then I got the bracelet that was an homage to slick Rick bro that was like, slick Rick, You're the King, You're the King, and you know I love slick Ricks so much. When he came home day was like, yo, I want you to go in with a stick and I was like, what are you crazy? I'm doing for fucking free. What do you mean, it's fucking slick Rick. My brothers and I. All we did was right around and listen to that, you know, the adventures of slick Rick's story, like what that whole ship

mona Lisa hang on record in the world. Just so you guys understand. I got my first role when I first got my first rolls, boys, I wrote a down in Virginia with some white models from New York. I was like, yeah, you guys caught a coming to Virginia with me, and let's just drop a fucking round and slow motion with the hazard lights on. And I made them listen to that. They had never heard of it than their life, but you guys have to understand what

this is. By the end of the night, they were all singing in the world that the songs together, it was great. Still Poppy is got them and keep talking that ship. So so when I when I made that jewelry, was like, that was everything. I'll never forget. The first time I unveil it, we did drop it like we played drop it like it's hot for the first time in the Staples Center and it was so many gangs in there that I was like, yo, are we really

going out there? And Snoop was like, nah, pe, they love us, and like Bloods was in there and he saw first of all. That's when I realized it was more than one crip. And I thought it was just like Bloods and the crips, it's more than one of all of that. There was like the Grape Street Crips. They were in purple. I was like what. Then they were in purple. Then there was another group there was We're in green. I mean like there were so many

of them. They were throwing signs and ship and we played dropping like inside and he was like go ahead, p and I unzipped the ship and you know, had my moment, what did you have on a bunch of babe stuff? I was it was baked at the time Nego still owned Babe, he hadn't sold it yet, and M yeah so bait yeah a long time ago. Yeah, uh not my brother and not the general. So I don't wear it. I ain't. I ain't want babe and

ship since I wait, I didn't know that. Yeah, no, you know, no disrespect to them or whatever, but it ain't Nego me and Nego is human made. Remember the first you gave me a pair of babes, they were like like brown Swede collectors items. Right now, I ain't got it, but let me just tell you how much I wore them ships in my hood. They joked on me the first pair like this is before no one had.

You gave me a pair and I wore him in my hood And I was like yo, and I kept saying they hunting people like those is fake up doll, like this is bait man, And they're like, yo, those this weak, Yo, what the fun are you doing? Like Yo, this is for felling them sneaker. This is gonna blow yo. They baked on me I'm talking about I was just they were just laughing at me, and I just said fuck it. I rolled with it. And now all the dudes like you're my bad. Yeah, that's that's Nigo Bro.

Nigo Nigo is you know, and and you know we talk about like us and rap music and like, you know, that culture. You know, part of that time. What made you even wanted to get into that type of world because you already dominated. So you asked me about the jewelry. J By the way, I had a whole of the lifetime after the big jewelry. That's when we just started getting them more sophisticated, like just thinking about things a little bit differently. Yeah, I see your your whole risks

just difference. Is that a Cardier blast it made for you for Cardia? This is Nigga. Nigga made this. This is a human maid. This is a human maid bracelet like Cardier, Yes, sir, Yeah, elsewhere. And that's Cactus plan She's Cactus Yeah, yeah, Captain Planning. She got she's over with Nike as well. She's something else. So he's a crazy thing. So Jacob, you asked me about the jury. So Jacob called me. He said, you know, I got

this guy. You know, he likes your stuff, you know, you know, you know, good good, good, good, good client. He's a good client. You know, he's from Japan. You don't know, you don't know this guy, and mego, he's fucking reach. He's you know, he's got this company used to check it out. Jacob was the one that introduced me to Nigo and Bait because Nego kept coming to New York. Go and listen, you're making jury for this guy. You made him this Cuban link. You made this for

him in yellow. I wanted in yellow, and then I wanted in rows, and then I wanted in white, and everything that I got for a couple of years before Nigo met me, he would get everything that I got in in different versions, one in rows, one in yellow, and one in white. And Jacob was like, look, look, you don't believe me. He pulled at his desk, he opened the drawers and they showed me the photos of me and the jury, that jury, the jury that Jacob

had made for me. And Nego was a fan. She said, I have this because he asked for the same thing. It's fucking crazy. You gotta meet this guy, trust me, just do me a favor. So Lloyd knew him as well because when Lloyd went out there with Calise when he was like road managing her, they went over to Nego and they met Neigo to send the other So I needed a studio to do something. When I was out there, and Jacob kept going, Yo, you need to go sit with this guy. He's a fan of yours.

So when I went to Neigo's office where his studio was, he he had an office that had a showroom, production room for clothes and sneakers, and then like in Italia, and then he also had a showroom and below that was the studio. He was like, Yo, you need a studio, Come use my studio. So I used the studio. I got done doing I needed to do at one upstairs, and I saw all these bib stairs that kind of looked like ups down up towns in a in a

a in a way. But the color ways was so fucking crazy and literally, like, let's say, so those first babes, they was already made as you as you saw. I walked in the showroom and then I'm a I'm a sample size. I'm a nine nine, nine and a half. So let's say there's three colors here and there's not, but let's say there is green, white, and beige. He would have a babe that was green white, and beige.

But then he would have it where the colors were reversed, so literally each colorway he would do twice and just reverse where they were. And I walked down there and I was like, this motherfucker's a genius. I've never seen nobody do that, because really, right now, if you think about a sneaker drop right, you see a color away, it's one pair. What if the toe box and the heel switched the colors, but it's the same three colors but just rearranged. When I saw he did that, I say, hey,

hey man, who are you who? I just want to learn from you and he was like no, like I help you. And then that's when we did BBC together, and that's when we did ice cream together, and everything changed. And that changed my life because at that point I was only thinking about the beat. The beat was my only concern. Then are the beat in the in the songs were my only concern? Then I realized that like there's beats, there's music, and then there's merch, and then

there's like clothes. And he really opened me up. He really really really really made me look at things very differently, and I saw that this guy's imagination had no bounds. And that's when I realized that like, not only I could do this, but like the kids that we see today, they're doing it. But that's when I realized that that was gonna happen. I was like, because if I see this, they're gonna see it, you know what I'm saying. So that that, like that like changed everything. And I mean

he was different, this guy. Like some people put their ship in the safe. This guy when I went to his house and like his apartment, he had like a big Mac toolbox that that they use when they're like service in in the pit stop of like a formula one. You know those big toolboxes with the wheels on it, and ship, you know the big blue toolbox that was like you had trades and ship. Motherfucker had his jewelry in there with lights like he was. He blew my mind.

And that's when I was like, oh, I'm never I'm never going the other way like I am. We we have the ability to do whatever the funk we want. That's like, you're gonna do this book like you guys will mark this day we are? We is this December? Right? This is December? Someone up. There's so many publishers have heard of this, and some of the young scouts have heard this. You're gonna do this book, and there's a florist or botanist has heard this interview and they're gonna

do this with you. Right, you're gonna text me a all me. By the way, You're not only gonna text me or call me. But do you guys, do you guys get the positive asks for affirmations that I get from this man, Yo, this ube. Let me tell you something I would be Listen. I'll be caught up in so many things that I'm doing and I don't give

a funk where I am in the world. Or if you look at this last you know, twelve to twelve to let's call it twelve to fourteen, fifteen months of like what we've been going through with COVID because some of us knew earlier than others. Um this man relentlessly. If not every week, every two weeks, if not every two weeks, every three weeks, but then after that third week, it might be three three consecutive weeks. This man will hit me. Just say hey, positive vibes, and let me

tell you something. God is a is a reciprocal god. This universe. This universe is a reciprocal universe, and you have no idea. When you send me those positive affirmations and those positive words, you need to know it's coming back to So it don't mean none of us. You sip to it, and I'll just tell you that, man, I was coming back to you, broa because I loved I love it, because we live such a beautiful life.

I don't give a fuck. You know, what we've been through, like the fact that we're surviving and we're alive during this crazy times that we're going through. Is that's the what we should be spreading. And it's like, yo, positive energy. Man. Wherever you add in the world, I don't care if it's a rule, but I don't care if it's fucking left Rack, I don't care if it's Newport News. I don't care if it's fucking you know, wherever it is,

Like we we should, we should. We gotta respect each other and just be happy to be with so many people that we lost just this year, these messages for years for nothing. That's why I've been like that. And I'm really like love bro thank you man, same to you and your family. And when I say that I hope he you know, hope you are able to Yeah, yeah he is, you know, you know. But let me just tell you from a super outsider like and y'all's

and y'all solar system, I'm Pluto. That guy is all about you and and and he go on and for years, for years, it's always been when I talked to him, it's like here, it's such a y I'm gonna come down with my wife. It was like, I know when you entered his life. It was a very big difference because it was always whenever I talked to him, you were always in the equation. And that's a beautiful thing. And I'm so happy for you guys. Actually on some

family ship every for the past couple of weeks. Thank you for doing the Grinch movie because I got two young kids, and every morning that's what we're watching and I can stand it because the music is amazing, the narration is amazing, So thank you for that contribution as well. With the parents and children, thank you, thank you, flossing you because this is a direct question from home. He said, I want all forty stories for him, get him high, which I'm not gonna do. I talked to him over

producing Despicable Me. Wow, just funny ship that happened to him. Wow, I'm not gonna get you. I'm not gonna do that. But this is you know what, Sean Carter, I don't know dea I've involved you were, but now I get it. Get show Hester say, I get it because he's getting involved with everybody. When but when I like, I'm like, you know, he's been He's been there. He's a great guy.

He's always been there. I remember, I remember when you guys were in the very beginning, when you guys first started clicking up whatever, and you had tasted Armadale for the first time. I hated it, and you were so vocal and I was always about I was so my haircut and put Armadale on me and I'm terrible. I loved them. I love no Helou was saying, by the way, by the way, he knows, I'm bringing it up because that was hated as much he's loved as much as

he loved them. That always blew my mind, like damn, Like, yo, you're so honest about that ship. Well you didn't want to rock either. I'm always bringing that up. Hey man, you gotta relax. I was put I was affected from Armadale that never tasted a ski. I was bringing like it was I I was. I was like, you were the only one. Maybe you had a pink You had a pinky drink you remember with milk in it? Oh my god, I never shipped it. Crazy that much alcohol

wheel you had to figure out. You don't remember cream? Yeah? Cream, it was cream based. Yeah, it was c Yeah, it was. It was like hell no, it was like, um, it was like imagine like a kulua, like a strawberry version of a kula even scared, but to do something to you, Yeah, I didn't understand. Then I went home. I was like, wait a minute. It was even I don't know what's going on right now. But it was a beautiful thing at the time when you realized how much of never

you are. Know, you're you're, You're super yo. In my book, you're my number one producer of all time. Listen, if I have one last album, which I would like for you to do. Listen if I had one last album to do, right the fuck it? I keep it real with the Lives album, I had one last song to do. Wow, that's a lot. He just went from last twelve or eleven down to one the whole album, bro, that is, I'm gonna get me out of this somehow five songs or something. But you're gonna, as you know, in my

schedule might be crazy because God is the greatest. God is the greatest. That was oxymaronic. But we're gonna let that go. Um, you're you know your your your credit is always good with me. Yes, yes, it's always good with me. And no, there's no I don't you don't talk to talk, there's no we're I'm talking about budgets and ship like that, like you know what you gave me. I realized what you feel like I gave you. But

I okay, let me take this off. I realized what you feel like, you like like I gave you, and Chad has given you. Shut the chat chat Chad. He was a fucking savant genius of the highest order. Is I said, it is of the highest order. I will never behalf of the fucking musician that he is. A man can pick up an instrument leaving for two hours, and the motherfucker's playing on it like a like an ingenious improvisational you know, person who spent eight years on

the instrument. That is Chad. Chad is a genius. But I realized what you feel like we have given you, but you need to understand what you gave us. And that is at the time we had done I had wrote, I had written Teddy's verse rum Shaker. Then I had like a little small, really really ill fitted verse for an f w V remix that didn't get used, but they chopped up part of my verse to use that that's that's double double double V that went into right

here to Teddy Riley remix. Then we did Tonights Tonight. Then we did looking at Me, Looking at You're looking at me right, and then we did Super Thug. Super Thug made every hard rapper at the time look at us very differently. At the time, we had did Tonights Tonight for s w V, and that was like the biggest thing we had done, with the exception of uh and I'm somewhat as produces. With the exception of Tonight Tonight. It made people who had heard about us look at

us very differently. Why because we worked with a hard rapper. No, because we worked with a hard character. You need to understand the difference. There's a hard rapper and then there's a hard character, a hard rapper cool until the way you rap goes out of style. But because you were a hard character, you were more than just a rapper. You were able to do super thug. We then did oh no, like you went on to do great things.

And we are sitting here where everybody in this room to feel me, we're sitting here in you show me. You show me your contemporary. You showed me your peers that came out when you came out. You show me what they're doing now. And we love them and we respect them, and we hold them to the highest esteem. And there's so many of them that I could get into the greatest knockdown dragouts about who had the best

fucking clue mix tapes from that era. But you show me, You show me who has jay Z sending them fucking questions? You got me? Well, you show me, right, that's all that's our big brother. He's a billionaire, like he's really really yeah, but yeah, to help him get to that billy right, right, you show me, you show me. I don't think you can. You know, podcast charting not like podcast podcast, I'm sorry, charting podcast very different. We invented

like rappers doing podcasts and making it cool. But you got your own podcast, let's past network. What is it called? The other? Ours? Yours because you had ours, this other tone, the other tone because you had you had an Apple show at first. Yeah. Well, what's his name? Broke Scott Scott Viner, Yeah right, and that's the guy he had something to do with entourage, right, yeah, yeah, And I wanted to do it because I knew that he was much more equipped with like discerning what is the right

ship that should be on there? You know what I'm saying that I wanted him to have a platform because I've always thought that he was a genius um and I really do believe that. And then you know the cool thing is this is him and this next turnaround, it's it's him, myself, our brother family, right, family too, I'm talking about I'm talking about and he just warming up. He just warming up to get ready for his own

ship um as well. But again, like it's been great man, and and and when you think back to the fact that you were early on it. First, my wife canna kill me with all this footage with my mask off, but you know what, I just needed you to see my face I wanted you to really see my face and hear me. Yo, you're a different guy, bro, You're different. And we've had our ups, we've had our downs, we've had our rounds. And what you did for Chad and I and essentially everybody that I worked with, you lifted

us to a different kind of place. You should know that like you lifted us to a a different, different, different place. And the crazy thing is the entire time beyond it all. I would say the number one characteristic of our bond and our report is that you would trust me when I say, yo, listen to me. I would shut the funk up every time I would say, yo, just trust me, listen to me. And you moment I met you, that was the first word you said to me.

You said, trust me, You're gonna go number one. And I don't know why, I just I just I just always remember that moment was a sound on sound. I could listen if we go to sound, so I could tell you the exact space we was at. I could be like you, look, you were right here. I was right here, and you know what I was never wrong? You will you guess what you were never wrong? So you know, do sometimes compare us to Snoop in like, oh, bro bro, super Thug, Man, Yo, do you understand super Thug?

Do you understand my brother Iverson went to jail right around that time because of the chair throwing in the chair back. If I'm not wrong, the night that our brother Iverson went to jail, wasn't that the night that you guys were in the club at the bowling Alley? Was this in Hampton or Norfolk? This is all for Princess and Road. Look, okay, I remember my brother who

was managing him at the time. Somebody hit him over the back with a chair and they hit him so hard that he said he started speaking to two different people. He said, I'm making this up like Billy, because that's the story he told me when he got hit with that chair. It was a different night, but that's what super Thug was doing the people. As my point, Fam is correct. That was a different night, but that's what

that's what Super Thug was doing to people. And Rob Walker was calling me from New York like, Yo, Yo, do you understand what this song? One of y'all gonna record this for me and give me that sound. Somebody is gonna give me that sound, and it just was a different time, bro, Like that record changed the mentality of how people were thinking. And another forget Chris was like, man, you know, I remember when you're coming wrapping in my

office and like we went and signed, y'all. He was like he felt differently about it then, and he was chrisly was a genius. Love to Chris Lighty and his children and his spirit wherever it is right now in the universe, because if it ever existed, it still exists. Where just because you can't hear it don't mean it don't exist. It's here and it might talk to some people.

You know what I'm saying. Chris Lidy is here. And Chris Man, you had the most amazing vision, the idea that you were able to see into Cameron and see into Noriega, and see into Missy and see into Buster and see into q Tip. Y'all understand that this man was just going, Oh, you're like us. You're your violator, your violator, your violator, and your violator and your violator. Chris Lity had the fucking vision, Broa Like, I'm sorry, I just had to just take a moment just for him.

And the Purple Rain is kicked in and it's and it's this is how happens. And by the way, no disrespect, but it's Swan, right, it's not like that. We're not I'm not from New York, so that's not me like with the New York Act saying saying swine swan. It's swan. It's here in Miami. It's me and Dave Groutman and purple rain is one of our drinks. Right away, did you realize Tony Tony Tony was this in New York from back in the days to New York from back

in the day and never fains and south thank Calforn. Yeah, he said it may be cold on the East Coast on the other side of town. You never noticed that Tony Tony is a foul people. Raphael City doesn't strike me that. I'm gonna tell you why, Okay, because I was gonna say, because he's like our weather conditions. But you never saying he said East coast. He just say in New York. He could have been Boston. Yeah, but you just just you just to turn the tri state

areas just the East coast. Just determined that earlier about thirteen minutes he was circumstantial minutes. Look, I don't know that rafaels the deep mean that just because Rafael is such a loving guy and him and Q Tip are so fucking close. In D'Angelo, who was also from Virginia, Richmond, Virginia, he loved he loves those guys so much. I can't imagine. All right, God that let's make some Luis. I'll keep it in Fox. So this is really nice, man Madonna, Yes, sir,

where are you at? Madonna calls you. He says, I want you to be Tiger King. Did you say I want you to be Tiger King? I don't know. I don't know why, you know, I don't know why I thought that. Let it wants you to be the king from Flix. No mcdonna call. No, he was too wild because you had the Michael Jackson call first. Right, So when did you get the mcdonna call? The Madonna call was definitely in the two thousands. Um, I want to say, I was still working at the Marlin at time. Does

he already have black children? I'm asking? No, this is real, yeah, serious, Yeah, she had children already? She had black children? UM? Bad? Those weird, But I gotta ask because I just want you to know so super clear. How you do this ship? Super clear? The real questions coming on in the fourth quarter, ye jay z No, some Madonna calls you. Oh yeah, this is real. Madonna calls and she's like, yo, let's get together. And I'm like, okay, she's aggressive. I feel

like mcdonna's aggressive. She's aggressive, she's aggressive, she's outpul female. I just feel like that she's aggressive. Um he's like, I wanna let's make some music. I love what you

guys do. And it's cool. So we we you know, I'm going back between Florida, my in me and um London and we work on Hard Candy h And that was cool and it was It's interesting because she worked with me and then also she had a conversation with Tim too, and Tim knew her too because he knew her from before when he was with with DeVante and DeVante had worked on her album, so they knew each other.

So excuse me. So when we went in and like we just did a bunch of records, it's interesting because one record that we did call on and On, we put Kanye on this early in his career with Madonna looking listening On and On, He's on that record, his mama came to the studio and literally, like I want to say, a little while after that when she passed. It's crazy. That was last time I saw her. She came to the session with Madonnald's bless Yeah. Absolutely, sorry

to take my trains out. Um, that was a crazy time. Donna. Yeah, what did you do with Madonna? So? Look, you have Madonna, Prince, Michael Jackson, who else from the eighties? Did you the biggest artist in the world. Yeah? I ain't gonna lie. I'm gonna be honest. If you actually retire right now, no one will be mad at you because I feel like you worked with everybody. Is this somebody you didn't work with that you wanted to work with? I don't know, man.

People asked me that, They've been asked me that for about ten years. I love working you. So have you worked with everyone on your wish list? Is your wish list complete? Nah? Who? Who? Who? Don't tell me Gucci bad? We work with Gucci, I work with Goodier. Do somebody you want to work with you haven't worked with? That's live pretty much everybody I've wanted to work with. We always end up finding our way working together, not one soul. Older people, those are the ones that say no, they shady.

We were able to do a remix for Prince. We did a remix for he was gone already. No, we did the greatest romance ever been told, the greatest, greatest story that's ever been told, greatest romance. I'm sorry forgive me one of the two. Yeah, Prince Michael. I never worked with Michael. Michael was amazing. Though. Michael called a couple of times. Yeah. One time you and Justin was in the studio again, Yeah, and he called when you was justin st Yeah, and he's eating popcorners. He was

eating popcorn in my She was crazy. I was like, That's when I knew it was him. I was like, this is because that's his normal to eat popcorn. You call you over and over and over again and then start eating popcorn. I was like, I'm thinking of Thriller when he's watching the movie he's I'm like, Yo, this is definitely definitely him. And what was he And he was in the studio with Justice. Yeah, in the studio

with Justin. And this is another story that I read that was very At some point, Clips was on job, Justin was on Jove Clips called beef with Job and you chose not to work with Justice because he was on job? What was because you know, I imagine you guys are friends. What's that conversation like? What is that like?

Like you know, I don't know, it's getting a little deep, but you know, I chose what you chose not to work with Justin because because honestly, it was the advice that I was given, and Justin took that super personal legal advice. I plead the fifth Okay, so whatever, But now that's when I don't snitch. But I will say that my my the advice seal out there. Bro, Yeah, my team and advised not to do that, not to

continue to work with Justice. Just no, no, just to say, Job, I can't work on anything that y'all have because I need you all to do right by the clips. But that's not how they told it to Justin and and and he was very disappointed by that because he would have understood that had it been explained a certain ways. Yeah, but then you know, I just give the advice was

bad and the execution was bad. And I had to bribe with that because I didn't think that all the way through to be like, no, you're all wrong about this. We this is not excuse me, this is not Wow, I'm twisted. This is not how we should do this. We should explain this to him so he can be in choreography with us, you know. And I regret that because still to this day it's like, I mean, we talked about it, but still to this day, it's one of those things that I look at and go, Damn.

If I were the person that I am now, I would have totally told my younger self, Yo, don't do that. That's just that's not right, Like that's your that's that's that's your team thinking shortsighted. They thinking zoomed, and they're not thinking zoomed out. Because at the end of the day, as a producer, you could have said, yo, let me still get this money on the side. So what what made you take that stance and say, you know what,

I'm gonna stay. I mean, I know you kind of explained that, but I just want to get it the artist friends, because you know, you could have been like yr Clips, Yo, listen, I get it, that's y'all beef with job. But you know I got this whole justin these were my brothers, you know, and Justin as my brother and as far as I was concerned, and the way it was explained to me, which made sense at the time, like he would get it, he'd be okay if we just needed to delay a couple of months

for the record label to do the right thing. When you said he would he would get you too much, Justin. Yeah, but he didn't get it because we never gave together. We could have strategized better and would have been he would have been, but that's not what happened, you know. And they told him, Yo, this guy doesn't care about you, you know, and they turned him against me. And it took a minute how long you're talking about two year period? It was different. We had a very um, you know,

we had a very uh. It was very strenuous, and he was being made to convince that like I felt like I was more than what I was to him. And really all justin Justin was a friend to me, and I was a friend to him, and you know, when he was going through tough times, I was there for him, and when I was going through tough times, he was there for me. But they but they they

vilified me to him. And when you're young, and even you know, everything essentially goes right for you, and something goes left, and there's a person that you've known for a minute and they go and it seems like they're going left on you. You're gonna feel a certain kind of way. I understood that they painted a picture a certain kind of way. He didn't really understand that I was just trying to stand in solidarity with my brothers, and I should have brought him along with me on

that journey. He actually could have helped us change that narrative. But the advice that I was given, I trusted to stay away from job period and not cut him off. Not cut him off, but just like, no, I can't work on nothing for you all right now? But what

about justin? He's not your brother. And then they went back and took my words and it's like no, they went back and just took my words to the you know, it just totally blew it out to him, and he and I talked eventually, and that's when I explained to him, like, no, listen, this is what I was trying to do, but I should have involved you. That was my mistake because I didn't think holistically. My greatest fault in this lifetime is

it sometimes I'm too zoomed in. M meaning like, sometimes I'm just sometimes I'm just too zoomed in, and sometimes I need to zoom out. Sometimes we all need a zoom out. Sometimes we're just thinking about what we're going through and what what we need, And even if it's for somebody else, it's still too zoomed in. You got you gotta m out, you gotta zoom out. You gotta have a bigger picture of things. Make sure you guys can hear me when I say that. Man, this is great.

I'm gonna puol me some more US space anybody wants. You're giving it out the first yet better drinking space right now, because you know why, Man, this is the best producer of all fucking times in my in my life. Um, you know I was. I don't want to say a local wrapper because I want to say the War Report is a classic? What do you mean you want to say? Are you saying? Are you taking it? I want a ship of that. Yeah, you know it's zoomed out. It's

a classic. Now we all understand that. But maybe when you was in that moment, you didn't know, and like I said, when I met this man that was right here to my left of me, and he said, man listened to me, and I listened to you, and my life has never been the same since. And you know, I know, I'm glad what you're saying to me, but I want to give you your flowers while you're here because it changed my life because it was a different sound,

just like Band from TV was a different sound. Like when Band from TV dropped, people were sitting around like that's what ship is not I give it even better. I'll give you even better example forever. And this is my friend, Um, Big Tiger, thank you, bro, take it from the basement. Yeah, you know what he said to me after old old drop And I swear to God, this is on my father's life. Big Ticket says, stopped working with the Neptunes. All that ships sound the same.

I will never say this. Um, Then you do you understand who Big Tigger was at this moment. And he sat there and I had I had super dog that I had. Oh no, he was in control of the biggest fucking hip hop station at the time. He pulled me to the side, stopped working with the Neptunes. I looked at him I wanted to do. I don't this is the old nor what I said to myself. I'm all right, I know where this is gonna go. And I'm sorry. I've never revealed this story ever in my life,

so as a woman. But said there was there was there. I want to just say this. I mean, you didn't asked me. It wasn't the thing that was that warranted a response. It was just like interesting information. But I want to say to him, listen, love, brother, you know that's what you felt at the time. That's what you felt. And you know what, at that time I might have sounded, we might have sounded like everything that we did was repetitious. And I knew I needed to grow beyond that. And

you know what, I'm grateful. I'm grateful that he felt the same thing we might have felt of our excuse me, that we might have felt at the time. And I appreciate your loyalty and I appreciate his loyalty to the game. Uh, none of us are mad. He is somewhere doing what he's doing and being the very greatest everybody's doing. You're

you're at the greatest height of what you're doing. And I am still just saying thank you God, but really quick to piggyback of all this as a DJ, though originally I could hear the same sounds, but I started to say, this is genius because you could these records seamlessly going to each other and then be the whole sound right right, but then even going even further coming you know, out of Miami and the Caribbean being very

influential too, what we do. I'm looking at dance all and how the rhythms all it's the same rhythmic yeah, yeah, So was there any thought like that to what you guys were doing? So I fell in love with the clap of chord because it could be as radical as a guitar riff from like led Zeppelin or Metallica, and it could also be as rhythmic as um, you know, more technical music, and so we were very loyal to that for a while. Um and I think, and I

could be wrong, but I did. The very first time we ever used a clap chord was on Super though, so when you're do dot dot dot dot dot dot dot. And then after that we were given the remix to the Backstreet Boys record, and then we were giving the remix, Oh yeah, superb Man, and then we were given um, then we were given the remix to a Locks record h and then it just it's just that's when the

Neptune sound. But it started with super Thub because if you listen to uh when This Feeling by STBUV or you listen to um uh um use your Heart by STV, which was the bigger song because that was a single, it didn't have that particular sound. If you listen to it tonight tonight, it didn't have that particular sound either. We developed our sound after we've made super Thub, but you guys consciously say, well, this is our signature sound. Now, we never said it. We just kept going back to

what felt good. And that's like a thing for me, like I might not like some people are so good at what they do that they make a declaration. I've never been good at that, and every time I make a declaration, I'm wrong. So I've learned to not make a declaration and just continue to declare my action. And that clavichord that's what gave us that which is not new because like for example, like Premiere, you knew what a Premiere beat sounding. It was the sounds of it

premier but celebrated enough. But let me just say I gotta say this, that Neptune Run is nothing like Listen, I'm because I got to be honest. What would you say that the Neptune Run when after after oh no, after that, No, there was entire mixed shows of just Neptune record. People still send me faking up tune beats. I love it. Let me, Oh my god, I can't.

I know the guy, but what do you understand? Like, I'm gonna be honest, it's It's one of the proudest moments of my career, is because I had a chance to believe in you guys. And like I said, you you gave me the every baby you want me and I've brung it to Nas. Nas didn't get it. I forget what what for Jay? But we can leave that alone. But to see where you at, it's a beautiful thing for me. You understand nobody clear, Listen, listen, I'm gonna

say this again. Please, good, bad and different up down around what we were you like were you y'all know what you're doing here too with this motherfucking we love and we're being family in here, like two minutes what y'all doing here. Y'all know what, y'all know what the funk you're doing. You have fun. This is definitely a formulator works. We have fun. And our big brother isn't just leaning in and sending them bottle for nothing. But oh shoot, I gotta finish my purple rain purple fill

them up. I was filling them up. Holy Moly, guaka mole. You tell me what to stop Pete m h ship. Do you know what holy Moley is? Definitely don't so. Moley is this herb that was given to someone and back to stop him from being under a spell. Yeah, they were trying to like put him under a spell and they yeah, and they gave him this what was called moley m O M m O l y And

that's why we say holy Moly to this day. But moley was was something that was given to him to keep him from not falling under the spell of over sorceress. Actually not meduced. It was a sorceress who turned all of uh, Okay, maybe I'm mixing this up. This was given to run you know, Odyssey, Odysseus am I saying

it right? Okay, Well, so it was given to him to stop him from turning into a pig, like they turned the rest of his squad into um and he was able to like, you know, convince her to like take the spell off of his of his guys and turn them back into human beings from the swine that she turned them into. And then he liked had like to make love to her for like a like a four year straight. But Moley is what is a herb

that she gave him? That that that that that made him immune to the to the spell that she was putting him under. And we had to walk Yeah, it's not Hercules's odyss Odysseus. Oh the person you mean? Yeah, I'm gonna cut that shows like purple man. Is that Swan? You guys got to go to Swan. It's in the design district. So is this a perfect cold that we have to say you gotta have. It's gonna be a secret. It's not Swine's Swan. So here's the thing. I knew that was a thing. You went to the bathroom and

I said, you guys, I'm not from New York. I'm not from New York either, right, And so if you say you said Swan, Swan people from New York. I think you're saying swine, right, Yeah, that's just swine, but we really means swan. It's really the thing that floats on top, but it's really doing a lot of work on the bottom. Swan the bird. Yes, Dave Grupman, myself, Alex Perez and also interior designer Can Folk well only say that there's a restaurant called Swine down the street.

That's why. Yeah, we're not swine. Swine's actually been in there. No, no, no, it's actually really yeah, but we're swan. We're want to design just strict right across from time four. Okay, yes, I've been there a couple of times. Liquors yeah, hit that. Ready, this is called quick time with Slin. This is just one of the other ready. Yeah, I feel like I need your whole intention. Okay, sorry, I'm going away for you. Okay,

I'm here. Are you ready? I'm good? J Or Snoop both Terry Rowdy or Quincy both this noise or that noise? I love? I love Timper car Yeah both just a timper leg or Robin Dick? Who's that? Who's your both? Nicky or Cardi b both? You have some random people? All right, I'm just gonna police both. And I gotta tell you, let's please you know. I love them both, and and and and and and given given all of everything that I'm going through, like it's man, I love

them both despite all everything. I love Calise, man. I want the best for her, despite everything. Girl from right, No, that wasn't my girlfriend, no no, no, no, yeah he went he went side. But you know what, she's definitely somebody who taught me about fashion um and um. I felt like we both taught each other about music and art um and we made fantastic music together. I love her and I want nothing but the best for her. I'm nothing, but I'm only like Calise is like a

sister to me. I'm only going to have positive things to say, period. That's it. And when it comes to Missy like we were born in the same state, like man, we may on and all together. That's amazing. But man, Missy Elliott, I need Missy here on Dreams. Elliott is like she's a fucking dream like like period, like she was at Adidas before I got There's an uber legend, man. Yeah, so listen for the both of them, absolutely nothing but love and respect. I'm not gonna actually no more. It

was clear that you was like the very everybody. It's love for everybody. I love that about you for us, he makes a noise for yourself. No, here's what I want to make noise for. I want to make noise for God. Man, bro, I'm gonna take my masks off of this one. For God. Listen. I'm talking about mistakes. Listen. Let me tell you something. But she could be what I'm about to say could be Swiss cheese, the funk up mistakes, bad choices and all. God is the greatest.

Because what I was told today, you know, by my uncle who's a bishop. He said, you know what like it doesn't like you're bad mistakes or you're bad decisions or whatever it is that makes you human. God ain't gonna give up on his purpose for you. Whatever God has for you, He's gonna see to it that that happens because that's for him. And whatever lessons that you have to incurage because you've made bad decisions, that's on you.

But whatever He has for you, no man, no situation, and not even the ill informed or ill instinct decisions that you make kid get in the way of that, because whatever fate has for you, Fate has for you. Whatever God God for you, no man can get in the way of And so for me, when you say, can I give it up for myself? No, no, no, no no no. I just want to take this time. I don't know how often y'all have done this. But man,

I know there's alcohol in the room. I know there's weird in the room, and there are people who are gonna have judgments by me saying this. But if you think God is only in the in the church and in the synagogue and in the mosque, then you don't understand what this world is. You don't understand what this universe is. The universe is God. Bro, We are inside God. And so I'm just telling you right now, I'm not giving shut up for myself what I want to in

the super kind of you. And I know I need to excuse myself because the purple rain has kicked in, But I'm gonna excuse myself bym just saying you guys, don't get it sucked up. God is the greatest the blunts in your mouth, the alcohol is in front of you, the entire room, and envision and feeling is in front of you. But make no mistake, bro, God is the greatest. God. Damn it, God is the greatest. I feel like I got one more, Lenna, wrap it up. So for years

I know you for twenty years. What is it since nineties? I want to say since nineties seven, because the record dropped at ninety eight and at that DA we needed like a year in advance to drop it. So I want to say ninety seven. But I've never realized how crazy you watch games spoke about the jury, okay, because you only do that. I know that's that mill one point five million people. Please, it's okay. We're gonna make sure no one does nothing because we kill anybody. Yeah.

So this was in commemoration to the fact that, like we went to Mars in nineteen seventy six, you know, like and you know, as as as as human beings, we sent our our first probe in nineteen seventy six, and actually a woman that worked on it. Her name was Katherine Johnson. She was called a colored computer because when she came into NASA, black people were still still deemed as colored because you produced that movie too about them, Yes sir, yes, yes, call Hidden Figures. So she worked

on that. She helped get that probe there. She was one of the mathematicians to help get that probe there from NASA to the surface of Mars okay Um. But the idea that Mars is so important to us, and that you know, the ones right after us are the millennials, are the ones after that are gen zers, and the ones after that our children. They have the Mars generation because they'll go back and forth to Mars like a snowball.

They're talking about now too, Yes, sir, absolutely, So I say all that to say that, like, you know, you know, Mars is back on our horizon. It's back and popular, and so you know, we wanted to make a Richard and I wanted to make a watch that sort of commemorated that we really wanted. We really wanted. No one knows Richard, yeah, Richard, Yeah. We have another one that's coming out pretty soon. It's already sold out, it's gone, but it's actually going to hit the market pretty soon.

And that is the Sapphire version, which is super clear. So a lot of watches pride themselves on being double skeletal, but this entire thing is X ray, meaning you can see through the side. You can see the front. You can see through everything, not just the top and the bottom. Like skeletal is just the bones. But this is X ray we see at all leaving. Yeah, that was not a Dominican way to pop the bottle? What was the Dominican way him dancing? I'm sorry, I'm sorry, continued, you

know it's okay, Um, so listen. By the way, you know what, I don't spend enough time talking about Richard. Richard Mill has been not only so good to me, but he like cares about you know, if he cares about children. Uh, you know what he does the various

programs that he has and he's a watch company. But he sponsored so many olympiads and people who like, you know, running the Olympics and training the Olympics and actually performing dancing and Olympics sorry interrupting, Yeah, yeah, breakdancing and skateboarding and Olympics skateboard. We get your skateboard. Yeah, you guys gave me the component oria and when that was that was hard. I'm gonna mount that bitch up and skatering

for sure. Um. But Richard has just been so good man, because at the end of the day, like you think, he's just you know with Bubba Watson and the doll or whatever whatever. But Richard actually really cares about like the youth and his like programs. He's a lot of programs and and and a lot of them are very you know, child child and sports oriented. And I've just been so grateful because I've loved to watch them since what I was talking about it and can I have

that like that? Like I don't know what is the two thousand six or seven and and um, and he just you know, to meet the guy and see what he really cares about. How does this happen? Because I put it in can I have it like that? And he heard about it and he sort of sought me out. So he kind of came to me. It was weird, you know, and then so we just started working together. And you know, the funniest thing is that because because it's because he's weird, because like I would have never

thought to go to him at the time. That's my brother. Kanye Kanyu is a smart guy. Kanye, when he has an idea, he goes after it. For me, I would have these ideas and if I was lucky enough, the idea come to me. What happened? What Kanye came to you with no no example. Kanye is different because when he thinks things, he goes after it. And I wasn't like that. I was more like I would think these things and if I uttered them in a song, sometimes

those things would come to be like you know. Only after a while I realized, oh, I gotta go after these things that I say, you know, I have to really turn to help turn them into fruition. And Richard Mill was one of those things where I didn't go after it. I said it in a song me and Gwen and that song can happen about that? Yeah, make because you just use the first name, you're killing us here. Sorry, listen to Purple Rains kicked that Yeah, purples fun so

like so like so like um you know. Richard reached out and he was like, look, I'm so honored that you talked about it to saw us do something together and at the time Happy it came out and he was like, okay, I saw you do kid, I have it like that, but then you have the song happy like let's do something. And I was like, man, I really love like I love the idea of like man being um man seeing himself going out there into the

into the into the universe and making his mark. And as a black man, I want that for my culture. I want my culture to continue to look at things like that, like like, yo, we can do anything. I know, we lost a brother out there and you know in the first Space Shuttle explosion, Well we can, we can. We could go there, we could go to any one of these planets or any one of their moons and

bake it. And he was like, okay, cool. So then we did the Watch together and I just remember him just telling me about all these programs where he was sponsoring all these Olympic like watch on right, yeah, he was sponsoring all these Olympics. Yeah, but he was sponsoring all these runners. And I was like, yo, you're like you're like killing it in the Watch game right now. You're surpassing everything. The resale on everything that you do is doing really well, Like you don't have to care

about all these black people. Watches exist, though, but hear me, he's sponsoring all these black people. Yes, right now, actively as we speak, he's sponsoring all these like black like Olympiads. It's crazy. No one knows this, and so for me, it was like, oh yeah, hell, yeah, I'm gonna work with you. Not only did I want to work and he was already doing it. Yeah, he had been doing it.

And so like if you talk to him right now, there's like there's like Olympic running of people who are actively competing, who have watches, and you didn't know that they were like based on like Olympic runners, and these guys are actually all benefiting from it. It's unbelievable. And he's he'll sponsor a village, He's I mean things you don't even know what. Listen, what I'm saying to you is he's a good man. He's got every opportunity to just be like a European man who's literally just making

his money, but literally he's not. He's thinking outside of his continent and going to the places where we are and where we're most afflicted, whether it is thinking about the safety of children on the road or or or or thinking about what we're going to need when we are really talented, but we don't. We come from very modest means, and we come from a community that can't provide for us. I would encourage you to do the

homework and see the programs that Richard Mill has. It's not just like superior Swiss movement and like very expensive, like you know, record breaking um um um um um price tax. It's a culture and culture and good from what you're saying. Yeah, it's changed the way that I think. I used to just think it was just like a cool design of a watch. Now I know that it's really the personality of a man. I'm surprised you don't work with Elen it anyway. Yeah, I think Ellen is amazing.

I'm just using first names because that's all he's doing. Elon. Elon Musk is amazing. Um. We talked a couple of times. We're not I would say that we're friendly, but we're not. You know, I don't. I don't talk to him all the time, talk to him here and there. You know, like what would be the initiative with him if you were to work with him, what would yeah, what would you envision a collaboration between y'all two? You know, Let

me say this first before I answer a question. Elon Musk is a man who thinks about things from a very different perspective. He thinks in the future. When he answered when you asked him a question, he's going to give your answer this, So you want to be very careful and cognizant of what you're asking him. You want to make sure you're asking the right thing at the right time. And I would ask him to think about

how to I would want to go to him. I would look at him as a problem solver, because that's what he is. But he's been a problem solving for the things that he deems most important. I don't from his POV and I don't disagree with the things that he has thought about. But I if I were him, I would think, how do we get Elon Musk to put his brain cells to consider how to make our supremacist brothers and sisters understand the plight of the people

that they hate. M. If we could get Elon Musk to think about racism, If we could get Elon Musk to think about federal subsidies, if we could get Elon Musk to think about women M and we could get a lion must to think about the plight of women. I think that he's such a genius that if when he applies himself to a situation, he figures his way out his the way that he's looked at sonap Solar

panel solar panels, and that business has been ingenious. If we could get him to think about the plight of black Americans and how to translate that to are less empathetic and even sometimes apathetic white brothers and sisters. Yeah, if we could get him to think about so many things. It's the same thing I would say for Nikolai Tesla. He named his company right, he named his company after Tesla.

Same thing I would say to Einstein. It's like man theory, theory of relatively we needed that, But brother, we needed you to for so much more. If you could, Mr Eerstein, if you could have sat down with Malcolm, imagine coming up also during World War Two. He's Jewish during Nazi. But that's my point. If we could have gotten you to beat Mr Malcolm, Mr Einstein, if we could have got you to meet you know, Mr Martin Ellen, if we could have gotten you to sit down and have

a conversation with who which. By the way, by the way, I'm not saying that in a white savior type of way. What I'm saying is if we could have gotten because I started. But there's gonna be people. They're gonna be people who cut up everything that I'm saying all things that like a white savior could save everything, and they didn't hear the context. I started this conversation by saying, you said to me about Ellen thinking about things right. But what I'm what I'm saying is when you talk

to Ellen Musk, you asked him a question. And the times that I've talked to him is in nineteen I think I talked to him in twenty twenty about like cars and ship that I needed because we have four children. But when you ask Ellen a question in he gives you an answer forty or forty or right. So if we could have had him, mama, so we could add Ellen ask a question, don't count you or or or or or or give a contributor a contributive, give a

contribution to the thought of some of these considerations. I'm selling you what I would have wanted him to weigh in on that SI should be illegal. Teach you get the shots. That's beautiful looking thing. Yo. I'm so glad you're yeah, bro, I'm glad I'm here. I thought I thought you will never come that family. Wait, let me get a shot. Hold on with the test me like that. Cheer up man, Let's thre me with a good time, thank you for joining us. Now I was, I was

just doing bakado song in my mind. Oh yeah, we're right now. How long you know for real lap tunes, the whole family, break it down, family tuning for us right at least? Well I knew, I knew for real before the nap tunes. Yeah. Um, long story shot. He used to come out neighborhood. WI grew up at Huntsville. He was coming out there back then, and that's how we initially met and then linked back up a couple of years later when he was doing music. But when

you got met, were you doing music already in the beginning? Now? But I got a wild story that like when I um, when I first linked back up with him, I heard he was doing music and I've seen him in the club one night on my birthday and I was like, yo, I heard you doing music and he no, a matter of fact, you said he here that rapped. So he was like, you'll do something for me right now, and I was like super drunk. It was like my birthday and Ship. So I was like, Ship didn't even put

me on the spot, but I brought for him. And then just like you'll come through see how the music world work, and then been rolling every since. It's been my mind. So how did you How do you feel when you've seen the clips the first take off? Oh no, I was happy for my brothers. Yeah, I was there for what wasn't all that I was there. I've seen that. I remember all that Protectlar because I want to say, like you know yea, oh no, it was like it's grinding.

I remembering he was so excited about grinding. He told me coming to the gym and I flew, Oh, I drove to Yeah, he was in. Yeah, that were you when you was in the video of that crib that you they shot you and that's like, my people are doing right up the se from that. That was definitely still cooking. Crack out there, let's make some Yeah, I think it's just out there still cooking. Was crazy. But now to see the clips do the thing. I don't know if you understood when you was writing, I was like,

I don't, I'm alright, man. I stayed. I stayed the whole time. I stayed the whole time, understand as you would. Yeah. Yeah, but to see the clips do it, man, was it went for all of us like you know, like you said, were from Virginie. You don't really get to see that. And just seeing you know, my family take off, it was like, let's go. And this is a question for both of y'all. How weird is it to see malice

go one way and then push you? So this case, you wants some aces SPA because you know I'm gonna I'm on that Prince Rogers, Nelson, Alight, we better know Nelson Rodgers want this guy one. You don't know this guy. So look so look when you mentioned guy, that's when I got to sit up in my seat. I gotta get it right, h What was your question again? The malice and pushing the difference? I just want to make sure because the purple brain is kicked in every time

everybody one to three. I'm sorry. So that's a Swan Ladies and gentlemen in the design district, Craig Robbins, I'm drop. Can we get this on film? Somebody? I always want to. I just want everybody to know, like like like, okay, so at Swan you can get just being clear on drain chants like I guess what they would be anything, any kind of any kind of officiating or you know, any kind of officiating in any level. It's like it's going to be on drain chance. Thank you to appreciating

continue that flash it. He was talking about your question. So your question is about Malice and push you. So Malice had a conviction. Something came over him, and I never really got into it because I was afraid of it. I was afraid to hear what it was because I was afraid to hear that, Like if I heard it,

it would transform me. It's funny, and I'm looking at a T shirt that says beats in the hood, right, But let me tell you something right now, with the simple rearrangement of the st it could go from beats to beasts. And that's kind of like what I was feeling at the time when I saw Malice being hit. I was afraid of asking what happened to him because I didn't. I wasn't I wasn't ready for it. I wasn't ready for it. He told me was gonna transform me, and what hit him so long ago hit me later

on in my life. And when we saw him go through that transformation, all of us we had the utmost respect. But you need to know I don't think just because a person a person has accepted God in their lives or in their life, that they don't think the same things or have the same instincts. Their instincts may change. But who you are is who you are. And when God enters your when God and the universe enters your life, what you are doesn't change what to you, what you are,

it remains the same. But what you do it for, that's what changes. And I wasn't ready for that. I was afraid of that. But then, like you know, when I did, like get lucky, blurred lines and happy at the same year, and all that ship came out. The ship wigged me the funk out right. I never touched cocaine one of those. And by the way, by the way, already, let me be real clear about that. There's a lot of people that do. And I ain't got nothing against him. Bro.

You see a lot of cocaine sessions. Part about it, all of it, Man, A lot of people fun with coke. Bro. I don't, I don't, I don't. I don't judge, man, we judge, we see. Oh so here's the thing, bro, they're fucking judging you. Man, not judging nobody people do ship like that, and it's okay, people do other ship. You know what you could be do you be doing worse? You could be a fucking like you could be a sex trafficker. Wait a minute, you could be a fucking pedophile.

Wait a minute, you could be a fucking kidnapper. There's so many things you could fucking be if that's what you've chosen, because that ship makes you feel better than ever. I don't condone it, and I'm not gonna celebrate you, but I'm not gonna judge you. And that's the most important part. I'm gonna judge you. Judging that that, yo, bro, there would be no Miami like that ship built Miami. Let's be clear, game boys, right and ship both. I'm

not celebrating it and I'm not condoning it. But what I am not doing, I'm gonna what I'm also not doing. I'm just not just tosting you. I'm just tolting. Yeah. But I've told you though, feel up because it's that big boy. Look what I'm saying. What I'm saying to you is white white society living. Come on, family. What I'm saying to you is what we gotta stop doing,

even when it's the ship that we hate. What we gotta do is we gotta stop judging, bro, because the judging is what what keeps people doing dark ship and dark circles and hiding it versus like saying, you know what, I'm not mad at you, brother, and I'm not judging you, brother. I'm angry at what you're doing, but I'm not mad at you because I realized something that's happened to you

and that you need help. And unfortunately, what happens with cocaine, it's like people get caught up in that place where they feel like they can't really say it. They're either celebrating it or they're hiding it. And what we need to do is we got to get to a place as black people in the Latin X where we say, you know what, I'm not gonna judge you. I just feel like you might need a little bit of help and there are functional users. By the way of all kinds.

I'll just be honest with you. We love cocaine stories. Here. You have a cocaine story. I do not. I do not not at all, not at all. I know I know I have cocaine stories that I'm not gonna gonna gonna share for my friends who were who were absolutely in the motherfucking game. I would never And that's because, and let me tell you why, I would never respect that watch this purple rain sip. I would never share because I always made it very clear to my friends

who were involved in that business. Brother don't involve me, because I'm telling so. I would never share because there's nothing for me to share except that one part. Don't do no ship in front of me, because I ain't built like that. You're tough, you live that life. You do what you do. Don't share that ship with me because I ain't built for it. No one one is my friend, you know. So I say this, So I say this, like, look, we gotta get to a place as a culture where we start to like embrace our

brothers and sisters all their flaws. They're gonna all do some ship that you don't like. But you know what, we live in this world, and you know what, it don't matter who won this White House. What matters is the general population. And seventy one, seventy one million of them agree with some things that don't really agree with latin X. You see, we have a we have a

we have a a system here in America. When you make it to the American beaches, you can request for it, like you know asylum, right, yeah, what food for Cubans. But then we have them that that that that think to themselves law, they should be arrested. You see. We need to spend more more time empathizing. So I'm not judging my black brothers and my brown brothers. I'm not judging anyone really at the end of the day. What we gotta do is we gotta learn empathy. Man. And

there's some ship that you're gonna look at. You gonna be like, now, funk with that at all. But you gotta understand that's a sickness, bro. Education as well. We got to educate people more things, educate ourselves, and educate each other because there are sitnesses in history. Motherucker's don't know street anymore, so they don't have no historical context. You don't know shit. We gotta get to that place. And all I'm saying is I'm not I'm not there

right now. Where where I'm at is. Look, I'm not perfect, I'm not special. What I am is I'm lucky to be alive and to exist and be able to to to contribute, to be a conduit, two things to to the greater purpose, and that is for us unifying and accepting each other and educating each other where we can, and not judging. That's the problem. The judging is that's what fox us, you know, because they do what the fun they do all the fucking time, and then when

that person does it, go, oh, he's a fucked up individual. No, all of you motherfucker's do that. It's just that that one got caught. But for us, we and when I say us, I mean people who know that they're not perfect. Not just color lines, not just sexual lines, are genitalia lines. Because some people don't have identify as gener dir what I'm talking about his spirit. If you identify as generally a good spirit but you've got some issues, guess what

you are. You're fucking human. Right. We gotta get to a place where the good spirits get together and say, look, none of us are perfect, but let's hold each other accountable and let's get each other to help that. We need to get to that great place because at the end of the day, this land was Native American. It was built by black skin and black sweat. And the first commodity traded ever in this country was on Wall Street?

What do you think it was? People? Okay? And that's because we had to stand against the what what do we have to stand against the wall? Why do you think they call it wall Street? That's us. So here's the thing. I don't give a funk what color you are, if you have some sort of good spirit in you, we need to unify, bro. We got to educate each other and stop judging. And you know what, we also need to stand behind our minorities man like, you know, not just black, not just Latin X, but also l

g B, t q I, because they're human beings. They gotta brain, they gotta mind, they have ambitions to be acknowledged. Yea. Like, listen, just because you don't agree and you don't get it, it ain't for you to agree. You know what it's for you to do stand there and be there for your brother and your sister and whatever God God deems judgeable. Let God and that person deal with that. You ain't the fucking judge of the jury. We need to be

there for each other. That's what we need. That's what I want for my brother, That's what what I want. That's what I want for for for for Draking Pusha, That's what I want for you name it. All the people that got good in their heart. Man, you saw God's plan. You know who Drake is. You know what

I'm saying. And if you look at them, and if you and if you look at and if you look at what Pusha has done for like Virginia, like you know what the funk he is like, we gotta we have to unify all the good willingness that we have

in our hearts. That's what we need to unify. And I know people of partly listening to be like funk that, but listen, after everything I've been through and all the sessions I've been in, and the people that I've encountered, and the people who have enlightened me and taken me to a two different places and different heights, this is

this is my result. This is my son. If you ask me, if I add up everything I've ever done in my life, from listening to my parents to get my wife, my kids, my family, listen is God is the greatest and we got to be loyal to that. Bro. Also got to ask you the same question cut you Lee super thuck. If you cut me, and this is where I know I need to sign off Christmas. If you cut me right now, what will come? Who'sin't out of my my body? My God is different? Got them?

My God? God got need some gutting family, you know, being down down the left tunes from the beginning, How does it feel like, you know to see this guy and this a Luxuria's a beautiful position that he is and use an artist, I won't be Yeah, yeah, to be honest, this is my brother, man, Like what's good form is good for me? Just dead like as he grow, I learned what makes some Graham made me happy. This's my brother. So it's like, I'm happy man. I love to see what he is. And I sat from the

music and all the stuff you're doing. That's really like my brother. So I'm happy. God, this was great. I'm gonna. I'm gonna respectfully cow tow no. Thanks for joining us for another episode of Drink Champs hosted by Yours Truly, d J E, F F and n R E. Please make sure to follow us on all our socials. Let's

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