Episode 215 "Quarantine Champs Ep.6" w/ D-Nice & Gillie Da Kid

J e f N? And this Drink Chance motherfucking podcast makes something quarantine chaps, Quarantine champs right right now. I knew this guy right now twenty years man. I can't be proud of what he doing, what he accomplished him and as I believe it's his cousin Willow, you know what I mean represented for Philadelphia. It's by the time Philadelphia got got it on the map for It's like it's like it's like it's like only at one time

for something from Philly could be happening. It's like, you know, you got the bed wave, you got the state property wave and then you know, and then you hear to meet many ways and now you got the motherfucking million dollar podcast. Look Anni, First of all, Man, I want to tell you thank you man. You was the first person to put me on your podcast. I didn't even know what the podcast was. I was like, just come up,

we're gonna talk some ship, right, you know. Yeah, So really, I man, I commend you all man for showing us the way man that you know, you really get some money out of this ship because we didn't really truly understand it. But now we just understand that y'all was really ahead of the curve man years in advance, man, and we was out there slipping and ship. So so what was what was what was the decision for you?

Don't even just to start it, like you know what I'm saying, Like, um, well, you know since I since I started giving out million, I was with a game back in twelve and ship people always, even before Wilt came home, people always used to be like, you need a podcast, Gilly, you need a podcast, You need a podcast all the time. But I didn't know what that ship was and I did yours, but I still didn't understand how you get money from this ship, you know

what I'm like. And then a post came across my page that said Spotify allocates four hundred and twenty one million dollars towards podcasts last year, and I was like, Nigo, what that's all you needed to see? That's all I needed to break them fucking mics out. Now let's get

this ship popping. And the months we had a deal, right, so um um for for people that because I know that Joe um he had spoke on this a little bit me and you spoke on it off the air, I believe there was somebody that started the podcast with y'all y're not yeah, yeah, yeah, what happens just so our viewers can know and no one can have a dispricacy of what's going on. Whatever was with me a while I was this out of the start of podcast right, So uh, this guy had a facility that he shot

podcasts out like a podcast studio studio. So it was like, okay, so we came in. You know, basically, how much you want a month to shoot your podet to shoot the podcast here gave us a number. Okay, we pay him. He was doing our sound. If you go to the first episodes. He wasn't on the episodes he was he was, he was he record our sound you feel what I'm saying and yeah, and then after the after the show, he put a little mix on it and then he sent it to somebody that's gonna uploaded the bus route

for us feel what I'm saying. And about episode five, maybe the cameraman came in and set a microphone in front of him. Me and Whilo looked at each other. But from time to time we might say yes or no, Dav and he'd like, I gotta agree with Gilly, but he'd be off camera, you feel what I'm saying. But this time he put the camera in front of like

he wanted to be a part of the mic on them. Yeah, he put a camera in front of him, so he put a camera to in front of the camera man, he wasn't the camera and the camera guy came in and put the camera and looked, you know, and then we let it live. So what from You're not really talking at first, you just saying yeah, I believe, yeah, I feel like wild until you started talking more. And then then you started talking more. And then when we did the baron to deal with Barstool. We went to him.

We offered him a certain amount of money, like, here you go, you were ninety six hours a week. He goes x amount of money for the year. You feel what I'm saying, This still don't come in between what you got going on, because it's only ninety six hours out of the week. One hour, you you're talking for an hour and then you're mixing ship down for twenty minutes, and then you're sending it over m And for some reason he thought he deserved fifteen percent of my company

and I was like, what right. So, you know, that's how they went because I explained that people like you know, um, because a lot of people don't understand that you guys to start something, you know, grassroots where it's just it's just everybody that's down for it, and then, uh, a situation like this could occur. How can people avoid that in future references? Well, at the end of the day, at the end of the day, when everything everybody else that we had on the team is happy to feel

what I'm saying. So it's just that a lot of times you cannot let people that's around you get in your fucking head. You feel what I'm saying and get in your mind. And because one of the comments and motherfucker made was in order for me to know how much I'm supposed to make, I need to know how much you make it. Wow, h I don't even sound

right in any kind of way. And my response was, Okay, when you came on board, you had six thousand followers, right, I had one million followers, So do me a favor. Give divide six and the one million and was about eighty something. That's how much you want making than your goofy has eighties. Sometimes I'm talking about right, but did

you see this coming? Because no, wait but wait no, just to be clear, because I think that sometimes when you're saying the follower thing, someone might get confused and say, oh, you know, maybe this person they think they the celebrity there is that. I think it's just easy, like this is your podcast, you started the podcast. He was hired

help like you. You was renting studio. Like if it's like if a studio you go to says oh I own your music now, now I rented the studio and you got an engineer, and that's what it is, you know absolutely, then then then any time we got did live shows, he got paid for live ships. You feel what I'm saying. So for us it was like this is this is not even something to think about, Like you feel what I'm saying, Like, this is not this

is this is easy mathematics, bro like. But he didn't see it that way, you know, so it was like, okay, cool. You know people get fired every day. It ain't no ain't no hardst feelings or nothing. You know what I'm saying, That's just a part of life. See. See what people don't understand is well, our podcast is not just driven off Our podcast is drilling is driven off our social media. You know, if we do on social media as well, Like this means that orthor Game has his own following,

has his own following. And even what you're saying right now, right right, Like I know, I know motherfucker's have never met you before and they liked and they'd be like right, and I'll just be looking at them like yeah, it was your personality already on social media doing it before you was doing a podcast. Absolutely so, men, And that was in the podcast is just a spin off from me giving out game on my Instagram. That's why it took all so fast because it wasn't something that needed

to be built up. You had to get used to the name. You know, you've seen it every day every day you woke up. I was giving you some game and and the people was demanding it. You need a podcast. We needed to. The spin off from it was so easy. It was easy to adapt. Right now, have y'all during quarantine. I see y'all recording. You're still recording, right, y'all facing with it. Y'all didn't do this zoom ship we're doing right, No, we ain't doing those zoom We told my did you

better stay away from motherfuck? You know so because Philly Philly, did y'all get hit with it hard or not to come on the thing? Yeah? Really Jersey though, Yeah, yeah, Billy got hit with it too, but Jersey really got hit with it. Right now, who's the dude that you had on the podcast the other day that Meet mail knocked him bitch down? So that was that was Tony X NFL player used to play for the Seattle Seahawks. He from Philadelphia and you know, you know, man, niggas

bitches gett sucked every day. You know, Meek almost trying to deny it though. I don't know if you see meet tweets like oh boy girl, but he trying at almost Hey WHOA, Well, he definitely know Meek slam dance, you know that's for sure. But you know, I respect the fact that he's still listened to me. You know, he's a hard like that. They Now, one guy sees you kick kicking it with I couldn't tell where it was going. I couldn't tell what was happening. I believe

that's Young Chop. Yeah, now what is your relationship with Young Chop? I see y'all kicking it and I've seen it go far, Like is that for real? All? Is he is? He? Is this the internet thing? Because you know, I'm I'm I'm forty, I'm forty, you know what I mean, I'm a little different. I don't be knowing, you know what? Like actually that match Young Chop a few times, and you know he always been cool. He always been, you know, just a laid back type and Nigga just cool as shit.

And you know, seeing him on my page and just said, let me tell me all that Chop man real quick. Who's something NIGGD I had no id was gonna do that ship, you know what I'm saying. So then he started talking, you know about Meek Mills, Salt and you know, French Montana, and I'm like, and shipped threw me all for a minute. I had to say, come on, Chop, I gotta get y'all off here. Man, you're talking chraz now asking asking because you know you're feally you're really

was six months eight months into into the podcast? How much? How long? Uh? A year? Is? Okay? Go congrats? Let makes a noise for that, man, I nderstand to it. So look, have you ever what's your biggest um um discrepancy so far? Like like you ever gotten to drama so far? Like anybody ever got mad at you? Anybody like? You know what I mean? No, I ain't really never had nobody. I don't think it mad at me. You know, they might not like something that safe, But you know,

other than that, I don't really think I get. I don't get people mad at me. That's not my objective. I don't really talk about people like that. I just will give our game that's got its attention, motivation and education. You feel they will they will get, they will get madaged. Don't worry don't work. Yeah, he definitely definitely put me up on that. Now. I thought I thought it was I thought it was dope that um that Joe even commented on you guys, right, And I thought that it

was ill that that that you responded back. But I wanted you to know that you're supposed to be talked about, like you know what I'm saying when you live in this world, like honestly, like if if a person is not talking much and this growth that it's Joe's, don't you know? And he got a big platform as well, you know what I mean. But it's enough, you know

what it is. I know that Joe's a you know, Joe's a sneaky, tricky type, but fucking like and you know, I just was on on Live with Joe when we're busting it up, and you know one thing, one thing about me North, I don't have no problem with salute the motherfucking man. You know what I mean. I want to salute you. I don't want to shoot you. You feel what I'm saying. I want to I want to eat with you. Ain't trying to compete with you. You feel what I'm saying. Everybody got their own lane. You

got your lane, He got his lane. I got my lane. You know, everybody got their own lane, man. And for me, it's like I didn't send Joe a message through through Instagram, you know, Preace know, we was on live, was in front of my followers, was in front of his followers, and I told him and I salute you man, I salute noimou salute text to him. Y'all showed me the way. Y'all showed me that damn you could get some money out of this ship because I didn't see it. So

I'm gonna type of nigga that salutes you. And then he turned around and it's like and the thing that was most really hurtful is that nothing y'all saying it's real, right. So it was like Joe like get the first eighty six episodes the DEV was on. I'm like, bro, we only on episode sixty, So let me ask you because I really wasn't following. Was DEV doing like like like interviews with other niggas saying this though, no, uh okay, because we couldn't have been on episode eighties six or

eighty now. It was de like, you know, going to do interviews like and just speaking about your situation. Yeah he did the interview. Yeah he did an interview speaking about our situation. But at the end of the day, what they were saying wasn't what that what not even what Death was saying. You know what I'm saying. A lot of this ship was just like out of left field. Like so, I'm like, damn, if you're gonna talk about a person's situation, at least, dude, at least try to

try to get some facts, you know. And Rory started it off like, you know, if I'm saying something wrong that well, if you're saying something wrong that you're not supposed to be saying nothing at all because you don't know you feel what I'm saying. So but you know,

I talked to them all. I talked to Rory. Shout out to both from my respect, the fact that they both reached out to me like men, because at the end of the day, we've grown man, And if you could you could, if I, if I, if I, if somebody feels though some type of way with me, I'm gonna reach out to him. And if they feel disrespected, and I see where they're coming from, I have no following was saying you know what I see where you're

coming from. Ro apologize to you for taking it their way because I could see how you was how you took it that way, but I didn't feel that way. That's not how I was saying it. I can respect that. We on to see another day, you feel me. Yeah, listen real quick, just based off of you saying that you didn't really first see the podcast movement and we was, we started doing it, and then you kind of saw it when you saw a Spotify deal. I'm trying, like I'm analyzing this new Joe Rogan deal. Are you guys

paying attention to this Joe Rogan deal? What they said a hundred millions, but that's not the whole million is not what you need to pay attention to. Do You know what Spotify made forty eight hours after announcing that deal, five billion, five billion dollars. It's a game changer, and I think all of us need to take note of what that means for all of us in this space.

To give me plenty five That's what I'm saying. We don't need to, We don't need a hundred million or you know, we we need to understand what that means for our value based on what we're doing. But you but talk about your barstool sports what is it? Bar stool? Bar stool? Absolutely, those are some big dudes. Like how did how did these guys even approach you? What was going on? Well, a lot of a lot of companies was approaching us. You know what I'm saying. Department for

cutting you off? Y'all was independent at first? Wow, gohead one hundred percent. So we had all the numbers. You feel what I'm saying. We charted a week you feel what I'm saying. We on Apple, We got the numbers as far as YouTube. You know. So people was coming in with barstool, and shout out to Dave and America, man, because since we've been there, it ain't been nothing but good to us. Man. So shout out to Dave and Erica. You know, they came and we sat down and we

made it happen. It was. It was really quick. It didn't take a lot, you know what I'm saying. And they've been treating as good ever since. Now. The crazy thing is you come from you know feeling you know what I'm saying. Uh, you know, um from backing days, man, you had labeled discrepancies and things like that, what what what what? What? What do you like more? Do you like rapping more? Or do you like what you're doing

right now? This ship right now? See I love wrapping, right, but this ship right yeah, I'm gonna let I mean, it's it's kind of like rapping, like yeah, oh babe, this is this is this is a lot less train you with someone say that, I'll say that I really I really enjoyed doing this ship. And you can get your point across a little easier. See, rapping, you can say something and a person can still misunderstand you, right this nigga misunderstanding me. Nigga, I don't like you. If

I say I don't like you, that's it. I don't like Capella. You don't need a producer. Yeah, I don't need to get hit the buttons, none of that. I don't need it edited up that this chopping fluid and then they're good, the dirty version, put a dirty version. Yeah, and uh but you know, uh, I can't even say I missed the the touring aspect, because we do live shows with this ship too, But I missed the the recording of that hot record. When you're done and you're

listening to that motherfucking you know that bitch fire. Yeah, I missed that aspect of all right, all right, and that's the only thing in hip hop you missed. Like I mean, I'm making music for being a part of music games. Yeah, because this you can't say that's not hip hop too. Yeah, but well you know, I still be in the studio with a lot out of the young and so I still yet a lot of the young and ships still keep me up on you know

what I'm saying. So I'm I'm always around that. But just the recording in the in the they getting the fans reaction when you dropped that hot ship, right, yeah, because that's what I do it for the fans anybody, right You think Philly ever really gets his recognition. No, yeah, we all on our way, you know what I mean. A lot of artists did a lot as far as

like not even just music in general Philly. So much history from Philly, Jill Scott, Jasmine Sullivan, music sold child routes, the roots, um My Starts, Will Smith, Sorts, Will Smith, Teddy Pendergrad, Patty LaBelle Eve. He said, pell Yeah, you know, I know my history and a little bit Yeah, there's a lot more some of the coming ones too. Arid ye be a box from the Homie Louzy, Oh Louzy. But I've seen him get a freestyle on at a gas station. I was very impressed. I was very impressed.

I like that sat Memphis. Bleek is from Philly. He got over lack that sunny go ahead man, so mr at least from Philly. So but all right, now, like it was like the two parts of the city, right uh um when Bleak, I mean Meek and he just think over here sucking me up. When Meek and Beans got into that. Now you you you you I remember my first couple of times coming to Philly. You was in the Cypherss that we was romming with, you know

what I'm saying. So look you see me from when the super Dog was nothing the super Dog came back and did you think that that was that was a point that divided the city to a certain extent or the city he was kind of like already divided. I don't really think it's divided the city, you know what I mean? Because really the people in Philly just gonna rock with little they rockwood, you know what I mean? I think it just was. I just think it was.

If you was from the outside looking in, you would have looked at it as a bad look for Philly, you know what I mean. But if you was around and you know, you know a little bit more than you know, you just take it for what it is. You know it don't get along, that's what it looks like. But with me, I get along with everybody, man, you know what I'm saying. I get along. I got a beautiful relationship with everybody, from me the Beans too, you know. Cassidy,

you know what I'm saying. Cashy just be on and off sometimes, but that's my brother. You know what I'm saying. I don't know what you mean by that. But your laugh sounds crazy, No, guess just be and he cast to say something crazier than we are talking. We're all good, so uh but everybody man, even a are av and then that's locked up. You know. I was school with them, you know what I'm saying, So I ain't. I ain't really got a problem with nobody, man. I'm good with everybody.

There's a lot of artists too. I can't name all of them, but I'm good with everybody, man. Any any new artists on the horizon that we haven't heard of. From Philly. He did a new artist in the week. I mean, what you do with you? Give us a couple of them? Shot him out them Santana, reyh. This is from all over. Now, this is from Philly. All right, just go to stick with Philly because I know you'll be posting na from all over. I'll be watching. Yeah, Simpsontana.

It's a girl named Rocky. Is a kid named zig Money. It's a kid named uh, what you ask from me? A little muck? Uh? Mac and Cheese, um man. We got a lot of young artists at leaf Board. We gotta shout out home you rocking the drink champs? Sure? Kay Walker, Kay Walker, Yeah, I love Kate Walker. Uh. Absolutely, it's a it's a lot, man. I might have missed a few, but we got a lot of up and coming youngest man. So we checked what we're watching for

them North and you got the Mac and Cheese clothing line. Absolutely, my son's that's the girl sons. Yeah. Oh okay, I thought that was you and wallow Ship. No, that's my let's promote that then, brother, Yeah, that's the that's their name. Mac and cheese. Oh yeah, absolutely, they got people think they think about to come out in a week called ignore wow wow, And a lot of people don't know that, like you know, Gilly a hood nigga, Gilly Street Street,

but Gilly also went to college. Absolutely do niggas that bro tell people that I played ball in college, you know what I'm saying. Was pretty nice with it, and then unfortunately I gotta caught up in some street ship and got kicked out. But uh, and that's when I started wrapping m And I've seen you hitting the punching bag too. You thought you was nice with your ship too. Yeah, I was definitely nice, serious, definitely nice with much. Used to use the box a little something. You know. I

ain't my son and ship. You know both both of my sons, you know, I make them out. They don't. They don't never got a box, but they gotta learn how to fight, you know what I'm saying, Because I noticed their kids get a different type of confidence when they know they know how to throw the man. Absolutely, remember me and Mike likely the first time you've Philly. Absolutely,

and that's for hand to day man, absolutely man. Just it was called such for hand to day It was a concert down there called sus for Hand to Day yep, and everybody was rapping. Then I walked up and started spitting for y'all. Absolutely shut the whole ship down, like I ain't gonna lie, like all right, So back then New York we were fittest, but we didn't spit all day like we didn't. We didn't just rhyme all day

like really must have wanted the out. I guess they wanted to outdo us, like every time I wrap y uh yeah, I mean, I mean, I don't know if it was just me or every New York artist. I believe it was every New York or something to that came there. Really Nigga wanted to get in a sighter with you. And they won the battle, but they were trying to burn anything down. And I remember Gilly just walking in the in the in the spher and just I kid you not his word play. He tol like,

and we didn't hear ship like that. We didn't hear like a ball come from here and then you wait, you wait, you wait, you wait, and did you match that ball that was just the first ball matching with the sixth. He was like, oh, like we were funked up. We got back in the band, headed back home. Was like, yo, sign this nigga media. Mike Lighty got on the phone with Chris Lightly and it was I remember this was this was this was this was the whole thing they

wanted to do. You know what I mean? Because you told that. Motherfucker's like you remember that right, literally man? And then Mike called me up to death jam. That's when I battled my son and death jam. I mean, tell me if this analogy is wrong for Philly rappers, I feel like it always sounds like the m C is a boxer throwing punches. That's the way the rhyme sound coming out of his name. His name Rocky eight, Rocky Bob Boa from from Philly. Shouldn't even think about

that part of it. That's made up movie. But yeah, but it was from really and be ful Philly. Okay, But what were saying before that? Who was saying about Mike Lighty? So yeah, yeah, Mike song and Mike song battle. Yeah, tell us what happened there, motherfucker? So so uh they called me up to death jam. I getting there and uh, Mike is like, it's findy in there, and it's franchise this one. It was a group Greg, Gravy and Queue right. So Findy was like, let me hear something. So I

started spitting. So Findy looking at me crazy, he said, let me hear something else. So I spit again, so he liked, let me hear something else. Was there a nigger named de Kwan in the building with Findy at that time? No, because de Koran infended the two most corrupt niggas in New York City at the time. Let me tell you by yourself. No, No, it was me and something just one of one of my homies. So as I'm in the middle of wrapping, I think his name was Black. They used to be with my sign

Mike sound manager back in the then. You remember Black, I think, so I think. So he's walking by the door Findy shut me up and screen out best some money today? So Black like what Findy like, best some money today? I got? I got my man right here right, So so Black like all right this whatever? So my signe walk up, so Black like he want the best of money on on my man right here. So my signe looked at me. He says, some slick ship. I say, some slick shipped back or you got me fucked up

or something like that. Right, they're like, okay, as we're going to the conference room, Jay and Dame get off the elevator. They're crazy. Oh oh, y'all gotta be the judges. Okay, we're going this from crazy. We battle is the best three rounds out of five. And j and Dame came in the room too, Yes, right, okay. I had a red Iceberg sweat on my sign goes then I go Findy said that's one and nothing. My god, I go

find He say that's two to nothing. Go, I go Findy said, give me my money, Get me my money. He said it's the best to be out of file. He said he just three a row, give me my money. Then they look at j J said yeah, money in the red sweater. He definitely won all three rounds. And that's how I went, Wow, your north and my son my man, but I cooked this ask that that yo, what shout to my son? Let me let me defend

my song. You're not here. I didn't see that battle, but I did see about it when when when Shine first got signed, we were all in justice. I'm but just was on twenty third Street. I forget what avenue it was on, but it was across the street from Cheetahs, and I remember um Uh Shane walked in and it was like everyone wanted to meet Shane because this nigga just got you know, this this million dollar deal and

a mien out of publishing deal. So we walked over and I was a little saucy and I started to rhyme, and then you know, Sean started the rhyme and it wasn't a battle. But then my song walked over there and my son just gave me the hood looked like, nigga, you already nory nigga relaxed, let me take care of this, and that one, you know, he listened to trust me I was dead. Trust me I was the That was the red trust me done. Yeah, he just that was the red yea yea. Trust me I was dead. And

he said that's what he was going up against. Yeah, that's hard. I don't do that. But okay, right after shot battle, Yeah, because that's only thing you'd just be shot. Listen, six figures of major figures, major figures, you've been sucking up six figures? Cool. I was waiting for the major figure ship later, but nigger you have to relax, said six because Nicks name and Memphis been from Philly. My bad,

the medicant out of control. Uh, it's all good. Yeah, but let's take it back to the major figure days. How was that a lot of you know, it was good in the beginning when you didn't get no money.

An soon as you get some money, you know, it's seven motherfucker's it's seven Eagles Man who you had a live have live Rolex Okay, Well Space and Dutch and myself, Dutchess Spade, Well Spade home, Yes, sir, Okay, pick up the spade, pick up the Dutch Man absolutely job Rule came on the show and said that he had battle Dutchess Spade and he cooked them. I can't lie to you that Nigga Dutch, which one of which which one was home Dutch? He went crazy but Nigga, but he

beat me in the battle. You know, John was just talking ship. I can't, I can't lie to you. This thing was on Twitter for six months straight going don't tell John. I wanted to tell y'all one. I'm like, yo, this is just because that's this is the time where people didn't understand what podcast was so they thought when John was just talking, he thought that job was disrespecting when the job was just he was saying how he saw the story. You know what his perspective. His perspective,

boy was was Dutch. He did not understand that he was on the end ofnet going crazy. That's my nigga, Like, uh, six months he was going crazy though to my turn to do it because everyone thought he was filming in New York at first, you know what I mean. And we still think that sometimes we knew most of the time we traveled, but you know I didn't then right after that, we just stuck in Miami. So I was telling to come to Miami, and he just wasn't getting at the time. But big up the Dutch, Big up

the spade them dudes. Uh big with Charlie Baltimore's world. That isn't that another fully fully people? Yeah, yeah, funny, you got, you got, you got some people. Now you know what it is? You got what trumps at all on no pun intended. It's the Will Smith nigger. It's like nobody's gonna catch that nigga, right, like like nobody gonna catch like right, nobody for real, right, somebody but still yeah, he's still yeah, and we'll will let he gave up his property that what is it north side

of Fility, born and raised the West side? Was he ain't got no property out there, no more right, like really not a place that you get up and be like I'm gonna go back right like you leave, it's going forever going to you get the funk out of that any type of one fucking move and then move back to Philly. You know they busted in the Skuyt just know, and then we'll only want to hear your story. Dog,

you're fucked up. You don't get an apartment on South Street, you know what's on or you gotta be living like downtown Center City, like you know the high rises Mike calls thirty five hundred or something. But we was we seen some nice ship when we was at the Roots picnic. If he got around the corner from Esca Bibble's, it's over. Yeah, but listen, you'll be living in this should be them a million dollars, but it being a hood. Like fucker gets shot at the corner, like that's that's the type

of ship they're building up. These these luxurious and glorious fucking crimps, but block down the motherfucker to get shot. Tweet called on fight. You know what the funniest ship about Philly and South Jersey niggas. Philly and South Jersey niggas will get on the run and switch towns like they're getting low and it's still a heat though a feeling nigging will give here on the run of South Jersey. You think it will be on the Philly and they low and I'll be like the bag and the nigga's

twenty five minutes away. Man, I was. I just want to congratulate you though, my brother. You know what I mean, man, Man, Man, you guys are doing a wonderful job. Man ship, I I don't even know, man. I just want to just just keep bigging y'all luck man, because like I said, man, it's wanting enough money for everybody to be out here.

When when when um, when I like, I say this a couple of times when I was on the block, you know there's people that have you know, you know better client telling me there's people that had better you know, work through me that the people that you know had a lot of other things that's better than me. But people ain't gonna stay outside as long as me, as long as my tax set get off. I don't give

a funk. Would anybody do down the block, up the block, up the river, upstairs, downstairs, in between the stairs, or under the stairs. It doesn't matter to me, you know what I'm saying. Okay, So, so what are you smoking right now? That that looks like a back A lot of money? You're smoking a back Okay, let's just let's I see your medical ship because I got a medical car too. Yeah, I'm supposed is definitely a backwood. Yes, it's back with what kind of but is that? This

is look like CBD right now? Really? No, this is uh cherry diesel, dairy diesel, dairy des like Rys dairy diesel, cherry man cherry. I through the same dry I thought you have milking it. I said this thing about that let milking this week. Who you hey, listen though, NOI I smoked that ship, bro, that ship. Get your eyes a mini scooge me. You ever thought that the most success you were got out of this will be through you know, just talking? No, that's crazy, right, that's I'm

fucking believable man. All right, that's it's like that's to me. It's like I get that I got a platform where I could say whatever the funk I want? Why speaking mind? Yeah, I could just speak my mind, right, no restrictions, Right, this is this is beautiful man. That's like the real American dream. That's the real Americing man. What was the moment? Because you know, um, you know what what we'll all

due expect to everybody out there. There's so many people, Like when me and E f N started to do this and were doing an interviewing people, there's other people that I believe Joe Joe started before us. I believe Iced Tea even started before us. I see's the first one to do it, to do it. The first rapper to ever have a podcast, first rapper, first podcast ever hip hop podcast is Peter Rosenberg and Cyper Sound and Chuck D. We can't discount him because he had internet radio,

which is the I don't want that radio. I don't want to count you know, it's a pre curse to the podcast. I give you precursor, but not podcast, but the first podcast for Speer and Rosenberg um hip hop podcast. Yeah. Then the first artist, rapper artists to have a podcast, with iced tea. Then I believe Joe Joe Button, and then I believe comeback, but that he went in a hitting the rapper. That's what I'm saying. Yeah, I'm saying hip hop relag but hip hop. You're correct, you are

totally correct. And there's also like I think it's the rail um uh, let's big up. What's the other the combat Jack's boy? Um? I forgot his name, Premium Pete yeah, because people mattered it in me. But pick up a tax Stone, absolutely absolutely tax Stone. So I forgot the point I was trying to make. Um, but but what I was damn damn what was the point I was trying to know what Yeah, goddamn ha ha ha. I

was trying to make a great point. I totally forgot this crazy I'm not drinking when I'm when I'm drinking, like huh yeah yeah, So so we were not realize I'm trying to freestyle. Let's just see if I can't go for it, go for it, yeah yeah huh or don't yeah, but just talking yeah, yeah, That's where I

was at. Yeah, thank you, thank you, but just so so um so, when was the moment did you actually think did you actually knew you had something like, because this is the point I was trying to make it after we were after we did it and we had a couple and we had success with it. A lot of people don't know we had did it for like eight months for free. We didn't remember, no, and you discounted when we was doing on serious sextime too. Yeah,

that's a that's a totally different I don't think that's different. Man, just podcast. I'm just getting just podcast, right, okay, alright, alright, cool? But when was the moment Gilly for you when you episode? Was it an episode or was it why you recording it, or was it the reaction that you said, Yea, I

got something, I'm ana stick with it. Well, I kind of knew that it was gonna transform over from from my Instagram because because of the uh, you know, because of the hits that I get when I do my million I was withro for games Ship, but when we dropped the first episode and that motherfucker want up to number two in the world behind Joe Rogan, ship, that's huge,

I was like, oh ship right, Like what the fuck? Right? Like, God damn, we number two in the world right now behind Joe Rogan and you know, at the time, you won't even I don't even really know what the fun is on Apple on Apple podcast, on Apple Podcast, I don't really even know what that means. But I'm like, God, damn, don't we number two like Ship? You know, I don't even know how powerful Joe Rogan is and you just right,

you feel what I'm saying. So right then and there I felt like, Okay, we got something right, you know what I mean. And then the numbers that we will put out the audio and the video the same day and still be still be charting, you know what I'm saying. So for us, it was like then we had sponsors, and Ship, you know what I'm saying. As an independent, we had sponsors because we was able to take our numbers and say, look look how many downs we're showing

the data? Right, Look look look how many deal Your bar stood deals an audio and video. Well, our bar stool deals are partnership, is it audio and video? Yeah? Yeah, okay absolutely. Now let me ask you something now that you know, because like you said before, you didn't really know was giving it away for free on Instagram. Now that you know, are you trying to pay attention to the landscape of the business to know what you what you're worth, because it's constantly changing. What we're all worth

absolutely every fucking day is just change. Look, you know that's what I'm saying. Like this Joe Rogan deal, I want to everybody understand, like it changes everything for all of us, everything, you know. But at the end of the day, man, I want to shout out Erica Man and Dave O at bar stood man because because they got behind y'all. Well was it a lot of companies that was trying to get behind us, but you but the way that they came was different, you know what

I mean? And we we really appreciated them for that. They wasn't trying to change the content, wasn't you know what I'm saying, wasn't really just trying to just come and take over some ship that we built from the ground up. They understood our views. Man. So for any any young podcast is out there, who who you need a platform and you're doing your thing, man, make sure you you look at barstools, Okay, absolutely, well, well you know all that now we know, so what's next? What's next?

You're trying to get in the act in what you're doing. Well, you know, I got a movie coming out, a comedy and ship in September UM called Gray's App. But we're about to start shooting a TV show, you know what I'm saying. So that's gonna be super crazy. That's crazy app. That's about a place in Philadelphia. There's a street and hilly. Okay, that's it's always sunny in Philadelphia's film that? Uh, I don't think it was filmed that show. That show was

never filmed in Philadelphia though, right, No, I don't think so. Yeah, yeah, I can tell, I can tell. I can tell Danny DeVito you ever watched that show? I knew what you're talking about, But I ain't no big fan of this that She's kind of funny man. Yeah yeah, but it wasn't in Philly, is yeah, yeah, so yeah we put him in. What I'm nor What's up? What's up? What's going on? What I feel like? I'm feel like I'm gifted. I'm in club quarantine right now. The quarantine just kill us.

We honored right now, Club Quarantine. Bro. I feel cheated right now. I don't. I don't get the full on drink champ experience. So first off I told you this is not official. This is just a prelude to a real drink chance. And you too, Gilly, and you too, um um, we we're gonna get y'all in real time. Let me just say something. Me and Fat Joe was having a talk off air, and we were saying, if there's any DJ that like, we wanted to make like a million dollars one show, like a million dollars just

every time he comes out, one show. And he was like, if this one person that deserves that, this motherfucker deep, motherfucker Nice, I'll take that. I'll take that number bigger up though I'm not even gonna lie. God damn, I see you bossed by Coca Cola and but wise it the same day. So so a lot of people don't know, right d Let's take it from the beginning, Like you one of my favorite records in hip hop. I don't know.

I know you probably tired of this goddamn story every time I tell you that every time I see you. But did you would do something? My name is de Nice? Was you you would do that? Douce it? And he rhymed on its crazy. So so let's take it from there to Self Destruction, right, just being a part of that movement from then what what what was it? Like? Well, I produced that record too, that's my produced Self Destruction. Yeah. I produced Self Destruction when I was eighteen, so yeah,

I didn't know that. That's one of my favorite records. Yeah, that's how I ended up rapping on the song because that's first record I knew all the lyrics because it was on the back of the vinyl. Yea yeah, yeah, yea, yeah I did that. I wasn't supposed to produce that record.

It happened because um well really I was a young kid, you know what I mean, Like the Bomb Squad, like you know Douggie, even though Douggie is my man, Duggie's my broth for life, but they really wanted the Bomb Squad to produce it, but care Res Squad for me the Caress and a woman named an Carly who worth the Jive record was like, no, the whole point of this is like bomb squads to people who produced Ice Cub like that public enemy, yeah, public enemy, but as

a public enemy's team. Yeah continue, I'm sorry, yeah, so um yeah, but they trusted me with that. So even on the chorus, like that's me and like two of my friends, these two young ladies from back in the day. You know, I did the track. It was my whole concept to like I arranged everything. That's crazy. I was. I was eighteen, man, Wow, I was a young kid, the young kid doing it. And then how did you how as a as an eighteen year old you you was already b DP from before that? Yes, I was.

How old did you get into into b DP at fifteen? Wow? He was d J for Chris No, no, no, no, no. I didn't even have a role when I so it was the story. It was Kenny Parker, Yeah, tell us everything. I didn't. I didn't meet Kenny until years later. He was Kitty wasn't initially in the group. Kenny was in the group. He was more like the BDP crew, not not part of like wholead on productions beating products and met Carress on it, Scott Lack really solid Caress one

of myself. They had it before I was involved. And Cares lived in the men shelter in the Bronx and Scott worked there, and my cousin was a security guard. So I brought my cousin some food and then he um he was like, yeah, I want to introduce you to somebody, and then he took me into Scott's office, introduced me to Scott, and Scott eventually introduced me to Caress who lived there. Um and that's you know, literally like in that moment, that's how I got done with

the group. Like there was no I didn't do all of the battleship the Carorest was doing like nothing. Scott just looked at me and was like, yo, I want you to be down with my group. Literally like that, and you're a kid because they were already older. They were like two yeah, so uh but yeah, I know it was you know, Dave. The funny thing is I was telling Chappelle this story and he was like, oh,

hold on, hold on. He just stunned out, like I just y'all, I continue you No, It's just it's just I wanted to share the way his mind works, right, So I was like, yeah, Dave, you know, he asked me how to how to meet Scott Chris. I told him. I was like, yo, I was. I cooked my cousins and food and I walked because they the shelter was on the on the east side. I lived on the west side of the Bronx and you know there were

no oobers and ship like that back then. And you know I was mad bro old Jay, but I have o J money though. Now you're gonna get down. But so yeah, so I walked like three miles and then Dave, Dave stopped me. He was like, yo, you walked three miles from your house with food to feed your future. Like that's the Deak ship because that's literally what happened. I wasn't you know what I'm saying, like you you grew up rhumbing and all of that ships. I wasn't rhyming.

I walked into the situation where it was like, yo, I want you to be a part of this. So yeah, that's that's a Scotlar Rock story man. So I was just lookingna Gilly right and me and him both have a similar story meeting. You know, we both started out wrapping and then you know we wind up doing this other career. You got like three or four like d like, I think you can't started out with ducing start, then you wrapping all you was rapping and producing pretty much

the same time. Then you had this whole photography, you got this whole Yeah, like Rover now photography sing. I know I'm skipping, I'm skipping and I'm bouncing around, but I remember at one point like I wanted you to film my album cover, like you were one of the first dudes. Though that's the funny part I got this, Okay. So here's the thing about photography. So before photography, I've

always love photography, but I wasn't photographing anyone. I just had a love of photography because I met Gordon Parks and he photographed me. They did this whole breakday in Harlem with all of the all of the old school hip hop dudes for Double XL magazine. So like me watching him was like watching this older man and the time is probably like you know, and it's like late seventies, still passionate about what he was doing. He was still you know, his hands was shaking, but he was still shooting.

Somebody was a little to film. I was like, damn, that's I want that kind of life though, you know, like when I'm older, I could still do what I love and m and uh and so so. But before photography, I started a web development company. That's how I actually met you. I was doing um I built the violator website. Yeah, I built the violated website. Chris. Chris was always like because I still wanted to wrap, but Chris was like, yo, bro, you're you're you're better than that, Like, Yo, you know

you don't really need to shop demos. You're a smart dude, like you can figure this out. So he was like always supporting me with all of these other new ventures that I was getting into. So when I started building websites, he was like, yo, build the build a valley a site for me. Then he would you know, he had me doing like the online marketing for the gun shoot then um then uh I shot. I shot fifties um

um one of his um reboke campaigns um. And that that came about because I went to Chris's wedding when he got mat when he was married at the Vaskaya. I was there and I really didn't have was like, you know, I wasn't making people like that. So instead of like buying a gift, because it was like registered a like ABC Carpets if we priced, I walked in there. All that was left on the registry was like this

is nine thousand dollars. I'm like, oh, hell noodd real quick though, because I don't want I want to catch something real quick like a gem in this is that you was you was already m C and he was already producing. He was down with the legendary crew BDP

Downward Violator. Most like I think like, was it hard for you to to to to go and like venture off and do like web designers and that, because I think most people that that are that already were rapping their celebrities their mcs, they don't see themselves doing these different things like that that are behind the scenes. Like was it was it difficult for you? Or was it like no, this is natural to me? What what? What?

The best the best part of the story that I left out is that I was considered old school and when he was young still, you know, I mean like I was considered the old school rapper and they weren't. They didn't have any old school shows back then, so it wasn't like like now you can do the Masters of the Mic or any of that kind of ship, you know, but stop you doing it, just like let

me stop, let me stop you for one second. I'm considered the old school rapper, right and Kanye Rest and Rick Ross and push your tea is all older than me. How about that? How you like those apples? That's great because is older than me. But I'm considered the old school guy. Jay is older than me, oler than me, and I'm like, these things don't do it, but I'm

old school. You know that that was that was That was a rough ship though, man like to be considered old school when when you know, when this ship stopped you, nobody was clapping. I was like, yo, how do you you know, move on with your life? You know, obviously we weren't paper up like the way you make money down, you know what I'm saying, Like ship two, my Max shows, I was getting like grant a night. You know what I'm saying, Like you know, I mean you give a

math of that. That That sho ain't gonna last that long. Um, So for like seven years, I really have nothing, no money, nothing, you know, thank god, my my, my, you know. Then wife at the time, you know, she worked and I was still able to not have the passion lead you know, like I knew I was gonna be on the suthing. But you know, it takes a strong, strong partner to be with you to understand that. Um you know, so for like seven years, I had nothing, bro, you know

what I'm saying, like trying to figure it out. I'm fell in the web development because I just love it's some fucking crazy ship. So when I wasn't rapping and I was trying to figure out life, I would always be on my computer building like bulletin boards when they just had a well, so I was young, just taking the computer part of building it, and so I always had like you know this this passion for like anything created.

So you know, years later, you know, like fast forward to my old managers started a way development company, but he couldn't get work. I was connected because I have records out, you know what I mean, and like cool, like all right, let me trying to help you guys get some work. But I wanted pieces of the company and they didn't want to give me a piece of

the company. Like and I was I mean, I pulled in at least site, like we were just building these sites for like quarter of a million dollars and every month I was making like you know, seven hundred and fifty dollars a month, you know what I'm saying, Like while the company is generating all this money, but the thing that I did was I used to just sit over the shoulders of like some of the programmers and just watch. And I decided to just leave and start

my own company. So that's how Chris and I became super cool. Because when I started making money, you know, I was building these websites hundred thousands, and I was a site at the time. You know, I wanted to revisit my rap career and Chris was like, yo, you get something good going on, you know what I mean? Like, and the story is, I really wasn't trying to hear Chris telling me that. So I bought a car, drove to North Carolina to see my grandmother. But boy, what's

the funniest ship ever? That nothing Chris said to me resonated. It was what Kane said to me. King was like, you know, I stopped at his house and I was like, yo, I haven't seen Kanan like damn in a decade, like LB, like, you know, I want to make music again. And Kane looked at me, he was like, look at you man, you're doing well. He was like me, oh I could do was rap? He was like, I can't get a

job to be done. Was to have some little kids rolling up on me like, yo, let me get a berth and they'll have stepping with that R a W. You know, make sure it's not r a W. That was like the really ship that anyone has ever said to me. And I was like, you know what, bro, let me just live in this moment that I have right now. You know, I got something cool happening. And then I just got deeper into it, and like Chris was always there, bro, and you know, not to make

the conversation about Chris, but it's all good. It was. It was like those important moments in my career that happened where it wasn't just about me, like you know where I got, like in terms of like DJ online, like that ship was thirty five years of like history to get to that point. I think it wasn't gonna just happen for anybody people deja online anyway, but it wasn't gonna happen for anyone the way it happened for me that night, because no, no hold on hole, because

I don't want to get there. Yeah I want to. You know, I could talk all day. But Gilly, Gilly, when you started doing the podcast thing, did you feel like that too, like it wasn't something that you wanted to um hold on to, like the wrapping part of you. And did you feel like this this? You know what I mean? I mean sometimes you say you know because you knew we gotta now, we gotta marketing platform. You feel what I'm saying. I got, I got the podcast,

I got, I got a million plus followers. So a part of you a, uh, let me cook something h and throw it out. But then you know, another part of you enjoy what you do as a podcaster. So you have somebody tell you, like how like Kane told him to chill on the wrapping? Has anybody ever told you that yet? No? Because because see I just like I just went up on swite. He put me on Front Street and you know about fourteen the people reposted that motherfucker. So and let me know I'm still talking

what they wanted is okay, okay, okay. So now now the nice last time I've seen you, I believe it was in Mallible Noble Noble, Noble and brother Shot Kim. Now what's your relationship with Shot Kim? So shot him and I in Dana Queen Lande. We've been friends. Well, you know Shot him and Dana obviously a family and friends. You know they've been got you gotta call creen light teeth from far off as all right, so I retlect that, man,

everybody don't. So now I've been friends with them since roughly around like nineteen eighties, seven eighty eight, around eight um, yeah you know. And then you know we moved Like when I got my first real crib in Jersey you know, me Shot Dana and I'm sorry, Shot Queen. A lot of teefa lived in the same building in Jersey City.

Like yo, if one of us were like I was doing shows, you know, the other person would pay, like the other person's friends just give it back when we see Like so you know my old like when I started my management company back when I was still rapping, Like my offices were in the flavoring the offices. So Kim is just my guy, you know, like talking three decades of the friendship and and never had an argument, you know what I mean, Like it's like some real

yeah yes, and he's solid dude. So it's so dama yes, wow yeah yeah yeah. Like people like they when they talk about they're like Todd, I'd be like, yo, man, I could never call like I'm from Queens raised. Batman is l L cool Jack. He can tell me his name is Todd. He can tell me his name is James, and tell me call that. And I'm like, yol my queens nous. Well not let me call you anything. I'm still calling. I'm sorry, like he's been trying to like

personalize our relationship myself. Sorry, I gotta keep addressing you as all hell motherfucking cool James. I love you. I love hell Man. He's a yeah, he's a solid dude bro. And I'm not from Queens Man. I just love it. L We're gonna you know, you know, uh all right, boom, quarantine happens, right everyone, you know, us as black people, we all laughed at first. When the coronavirus hit. Everyone had I drink Corona, you know what I'm saying. Everyone

was like, I don't know people, I'm funk Corona. People, that's funk RONA was like, I'm phone Corona. I can't get Corona. And then this this this pandemic of the pandemic happens boom, and everybody starts seeing these bodies dropped

and people off taking it serious. Everybody is actually home what makes you say what makes you say, Yo, listen, I'm gonna start playing this music and I'm gonna play it for the world, because I believe the first night you did it was like two hundred and fifty people, right, it's a little on the two hundred, yes, And then the second night was like twenty thousand something like. That second night it was like two thousand. Third day, yeah, yeah,

the third day it hit like eight thousand. Then that Friday, the Friday, it hit like twenty five thousand people. And then and then it was that Saturday when it went crazy. You know, even though it shows like a hundred thousand people consistently in there as you know, like no one is holding their phone for I was like that. So they did the numbers. It was like millions of people that were in there during that entire time, and that you know, that was like the first time that anything

like that has ever happened. And you know it's I mean, you know, people are like everyone's using i G Live now, So those numbers are like kind of small. Now, you think, like a hundred thousands of small compared to like what Versus is doing or or Tory Lanes. But it just felt good to be like the first person to do something like that, the first person to crack it over didn't.

It's that one night, right, It's everything was building up and I'm talking about I kid you not, my text messages, my Twitter, Everybody's like, yo, yo, You're going to the D nice party. And it was just hilarious because everyone was like, everyone's really like But then it's that one nights that I think. It's the one night where yeah, Joe Widen was there, Um, the Obama's was there. Um, Like,

first of all, how does it feel like? Because that's like packing for football stadiums, right, having having a hundred thousand people there, and they're really they're like just with that, Like even with Versus will all due respect, Versus is about competition. Even Torry Lanes, Torry Lanes is you know, he's being funny, he's being great, and but it's it's still sexual. So some people are there to see that.

Type of people are just there to see D change his act and play music and change his glasses here changing right now, paying say, and got there. What's crazy about it to me, man, is that Yo, for all the years of DJ and it was about serving other people. I was in your party. I was DJ, and you know, the Obama's anago ball. I would fly to the house and playing event for them or sad again man, because you can't say that lightly. He was DJ and Obama's not g ball. Yes, DJ, the inaugural ball fly over

my head. That's been right over my head. So you know that's why I said, like, what happened that day could not It couldn't have been anyone else, man, because it was it was here the service of Like that's what I do, Like I never you know, I don't know what anyone is doing, man, Like I've always just been a low key dude. I don't like red carpets. I got to do my job and then I'm gonna

hate red carpets. Something. I hate red carpets and what and did real quickly Again, I just feel like the humility and what you've been doing forever, which is a lot of DJs do as well. And I've seen you over the years. You've done stuff for big brands and you've done all these like like different things. I feel like it was a lead up because you've been doing ill private parties, ill exclusive things, ill brand parties and That's what like the lead up was to like consolidating

all that stuff you've been doing. Yes, I thought was super dope. Is that I felt like it represented the role that DJs have kind of not lost for ourselves, but that the culture kind of hasn't seen us in that role. And you exemplified that role for us as DJ's, especially as hip hop dj you know what I mean, because DM DJs had been getting it you know, oh yeah, no hip hop DJ specifically like really like hip hop DJs and just imagining yourself being great, like you know,

like all of the lessons. This is the funny part, All of the lessons that I learned along the way that I thought was like irritating to me, Like you know, like I mean, this is no disrespect and this is not about any one particular DJ, but they are like iconic DJs that when I returned to the scene where I wanted to open up for them, like New York DJs and and their team is like now you old school, So I had to go. I had to go the

straight white play rouler. I mean, like because my hip hop DJs weren't really like rocking with me, Like I went to like small spots in New York, and I was getting like a hundred and fifty dollars a night to wat for six hours. And I didn't care because I was like, yo, I was doing my web development ships and not just wanted an opportunity to play music. And when they embraced me in that on that side, I was like, Oh, this is the music that I

actually grew up playing. Anyway, Like if you were watching videos in the eighties waiting for run DMC or Michael Jackson or anything urban you have the other watching all that ship was saying with a BDP, not party from there. No. I was caressed as DJ, but not never a party DJ. I was never doing what I do now the ship that I do now. I learned how to do it around around two thousand and three. Two thousand and five

is really when I found my footing. So around two thousand and three, I started to like study DJs, Like I knew I was never gonna be the ill turn table list. That wasn't my, that wasn't me. Like I'm an uptown dude. I'm really I'm from Harlem. I was born in Harlem Hospital. I lived in my formative he is in the Bronx when they started making me. But I'm a Harlem dude, Like I'm a Harlem uptown, like everybody's fly you want to just play the fly sh

it like I wanted that. I wanted to play Rising to the Top and mix it like Brucie Bean all that. So I didn't want to be like Scratch or Clark Ken or I mean, actually Clark Clark gets I mean they're all get busy anyway, but like Clark blends a lot um, Scratch blends a lot too. But I didn't want to be the turntables dudes. I just wanted to be playing a sexy ship, you know, so some smooth ass. You just want a smooth set. Yeah, I started studying

like house music DJ's. I would. I would go to like you Little Louis Vegas party at cle every Wednesday and just sit there and watch him and watch. I would just watch the crowd. You know, I'm not a dancer. I would just go play the wall watch and I'm like, holy sh it, Okay, I see it. And that's how I really got my whole, my whole thing going, and you know, and then and didn't kind of circle back

to like hip hop. But luckily for me, man, I was able to, like I broke through all of this ship that people are having a hard time breaking through in terms of private events because I'd already established myself in that world. You know, I already established myself in that world because I was doing those events that like most most hip hop DJs didn't want to do. They

didn't understand the music. They didn't understand. Like one of the things that happened that night was remember Kenny Rogers that passed that week, I started blending Kenny Roger records. You know what I'm saying, because I have. It's like that's what we grew up list crazy crazy, you know, like and that was people wrote about that like yeo, he played everything. And if you can tell that I love the music by the way that I play it,

you know, it feels natural. It's not it's not I mean, you DJ bro, It's not even based on like any specific genre. It's like a fear in that that you would vote when you blend these records. So it's just beautiful to see that during this during this crazy time, yef it only plays where he wants. Yeah, I don't know if the cadis to the crowd at all. You gotta relax. That's why I got I got my vinal it over here. Look, yo, but he he caters to himself,

which is dope. Though that's originally what DJs to do too, but then you had that. So let me ask you something. Is that pressure like when you know him that these people are not only in the room there commented you know, from the Joe Bidens to the shallow Obama's Is this something that you like when you know somebody walks in the building. Are you saying to myself, let me play Let me play this for Z to get them hype

because I played them before. Or Oprah is in here like open you have listen, Let let me just explain something to you. You have Oprah and r E Joe Biden the same. I would never be in the party, was would never say the thugs and the politicians. I'm smoking, I'm feeling great like yo. Like, So, isn't a certain pressure that you got when you know certain people in the building or it's just like it fuse you up now,

it fused me up. Like so if you'd rather watch like people dj R, I g like even right right, now, they don't engage with like the people that are in the room. They usually just playing music. They're not really playing attention to. Sometimes they look at the comments, but

then they just go back and playing. My thing was I wanted the average person that's listening to feel just as important as Michelle Obama, because that's the only chance that you're probably gonna get to like really not like the average person's gonna really get to be and to be like, yo, I was in the same party as this person, and that's what they're saying. Yeah, and that's and so it was like I just started doing these shoutouts.

I never talked this much. First of all, I don't even like talking on them like in my regular party's No, it was about the music. But I started talking to what they're reminded me of the old school Harlem parties to pay the full parties, Like when somebody walk in the building and when you said they named people were get in Texas people like like it was. That's what it reminds me, I saw because you and that's actually

how people feel about that ship too exactly. They come in there, I'll start I'll just shout him out and then it's like the end of scene. You know a names every day You're like, bro, when I sign on line, not about the celebrities like I do see a lot of celebrities, like Mariah's in there almost every day, and like Bobby Flame, like would be like the most random I did have said earlier. It was like Dally I was in then, uh, Donny Wahberg, the crew, Stephanie Mills,

It's just like all over the place man. Ari Lennox like yeah, you know, but it's it's just dope to be. First of all, I turned fifty next month, right, you know what I'm saying, and like, right that cheers to that because that ship was looking scary, that she was looking scary. I was like, I don't want to be the club and fifty. Hey, but you're making the club at fifty. Let's do it. Almost second guy, Yeah, y'all

keep going and watch my hand. You know. Let me ask you something, d like, this is something that we really, me and my boys were talking about and I want you to be honest about this. Right when it when it really took off, the club quarantine stuff, it felt like there was almost a pressure for you to continue it and the subsequent like days that you started doing Yo, yeah can you? I mean yeah, like we were worried about your health. You cut out for a minute. What

did you say? What was the court? Like we were saying we was worried about your health. We thought that that maybe there was a pressure for you to to to continually do this every night. And me and my my people we were talking about like, yo, man, I hope he doesn't feel like he has to do this, you know, like like it's it might be too much, you know. Yeah, it wasn't about the people though. That's

what I want to say. I want to remind people that going on every day, it ended up becoming about people about like knowing that the music is healing, and in particular, like in that my I g live for some reason, the conversation is just different and it's full of love. So yes, I enjoy it. But in the beginning, dude, the way people out and the way they enjoyed the music was the same way that I felt when I

played the music. It felt like it was healing me because I've been here by myself, you know what I mean, Like I'm home alone, I don't have any family in l A I mean I have close friends here, but like my kids are in Michigan and my oldest daughters and Penn State Law school, and you know, my mom

is in New York. You know, I'm single, Like yo, I'm home with nothing, and nother ship was like yo, the music and going on was saving me from you know, I don't want to say depression, just you know, out of respect for people that actually battle with depression, but like, yeah, like she was heavy though, you know it was it was a minor version of depression happening happening, you know, like it's um, just imagine this, bro, Like, Okay, you guys, have you got the show, you got the podcast, you

got you know what I'm saying, you got the TV show? Be all this stuff going on right before like a DJ. All you have You're show was still going on right now before DJ, and you know you have no shows. There's no income, lost everything, lost everything. So I'm sitting here like, yeah, I did very well. You know, I don't know I did. You know, I did very well. You know where I invested, but like all my investments were going down, which they will probably bounce back, but

the market was bad. Yeah, all of the festivals were being canceled. So I had I had my music week. I had Ultra I mean not Ultra h south By Southwest, I had you know, a c L you know, SU festival, so playing the main stage, everything, Beat, awards, every gig was just being canceled left and right. So then I wasn't with my family, so just the match and I you know, I did four hundred thou miles flight miles

last year. I was on the plane like every other day, either going to see my kids or going to a gig. And I did a lot of gigs last year. Now I'm stuck at home and I don't even recognize home because I never really made it home because I was always gone, So I didn't make my place home. I'm not with my kids, I'm single, my jigs are being canceled. I don't know when we're gonna go back to work.

I did well, but not not well enough to be sitting and like paying bills for a year and a half, you know what I'm saying, Like like this was like some crazy and then I was turning fifty. I'm like, yo, I don't want to be My investment is a bad right now, all of the games you cancel. That's why I sat. And there's a very spot where I'm sitting right now. This is where it all began, right here. That's I was in the room. I was in my bedroom,

and I was frustrating. I was like yo oh. And on top of it, I was being fucking audited for like some dumb ship that you know what I'm saying, like, you know, So it was like the pressure of all of that, and and in one moment, I felt like like the universe was just saying, like be still. Like I literally heard, you know, you just need to be still and to DJ, that's what they said, pull out your equipment and nah, I just it just it's said

to be stilled. That was it. And I got up and I sat right here still like like right, yeah, Now, it wasn't I wasn't even I wasn't even trying to DJ online. The funny thing is I didn't even want a DJ. I sat here just because I wanted to sign in the I G Live and play a couple of songs, and I wanted to interview. I really wanted to do what you guys are doing. I wanted to interview artists, but I had this interview series back to day called True Epop Stories, So yeah, I remember those. Yeah.

I was telling my buddies in the cigar barb the night of the quarantine, and I was like, you know what, we're all trying to figure out what the plan was, Like, well, how are we gonna spend this what we thought was gonna be two weeks? I was like, you know, I think I'm just gonna go into to this this uh I g Live section of Instagram and like invite my friends in and just and interview them. That's all I

wanted to do. So I was just playing songs and just telling stories about like y'all remember being the party and Bruce and b played this, and like, you know, that's all I was doing that. Nothing hooked up, no turn tables, nothing. I didn't even have turn tables here. I mean I have in my closet, but they weren't hooked up by mixers. Old at some fifty seven doesn't work with the new software. You know, I never had

that ship looked up at all. I've seen the picture you posted behind the scene showing the rig the way you had set it up. Yeah, and I still have it all crazy looking too, I refused to like change anything because I like, like, I like the story aspect of it, Like I'm putting ship together with everything that's around here, like my favorite books. And Will Smith sent me water the first night. He was showing some water to hol Go sit you water. You got some water.

You got some water too, whills going on, Like I used all those boxes to elevate my speakers. I'm like, yo, I keep really simple, bro. But you know, like sitting here was it was therapeutic though, man, Like you know what I'm saying, like playing that music, playing music that you know? Who told me that actually DJ was Cark Kent. He's like cork Park Park was in there every day. Black Thought was in there every day, you know, like Bumby was in there every day, you know, in the

beginning before it became a thing. And I called Clark and I was like, yo, I don't know what this is, bro, but this ship feels good. He was like, yo, you know what you need to do. I was like what he was like, you should actually start DJing. But what I didn't know is you weren't supposed to do. I mean I actually knew it, but I didn't think they were gonna let me play music like that, and you know he was a copyright ship. He was just playing records.

I was. I was just playing songs, but they weren't flagging me, so a damn, all right, this is when you're messing me up now. So so you could playing songs isn't the same thing as DJ no. So I was playing songs from my computer, from iTunes. Yeah, it was just playing them. So when I played my tunes, I'm not a DJ at all, that's what you're telling me. But I just do that. No, he just wasn't mixing. He was just playing. Yeah, wasn't mixing me. Okay, all right, So I wasn't mixing at all. So I was just

playing songs. And then, uh, the funny thing man that day when the quarantine, when they was going on full lockdown, I don't know. I was just like, yo, I try like using my turntables to mix it in and work. And then Kark was like, yo, my guy will just send you whatever you need for free. But I was like, yo, I don't. I think I'm just gonna go buy something because there was no telling how long it was gonna take. And I had at the spirit of like, I really need to DJ right now, and I just you had

a sense of urgency at that point. Yeah. I was like I don't know, Yeah, it just felt right. And that was that the night that was the first big night. That's when that Friday night, when it was like it was like twenty five thousand people in there, I'm like like, fun, what is this becoming? Like Drake popped in I didn't even know he was following me j Lo. Everybody just kept popping in there. And then that next day that's when that ship was like that she was magical, bro,

Like I was literally calling people. I was calling I was calling everyone like, oh, Joe Biden's campaign manager Like yeah, but d do you think you you underestimated your legend? Bro? I don't think I ever looked at myself that way. So I guess I did underestimate because we all look at you that way. I never looked at it that way. I always looked at it like yo, I'm you know what we do, look man, the legend in my crew just imagine this. I had to live in the shadow

of one of the greatest ever. Yeah, I live in the shadow of Caress my entire career. So I never looked at it more than like, yo, than what it was for me at the time of like this constant struggle to not ever be looked at as just the dude that was in the shadow of Caress. So I

never allowed myself to get comfortable with anything. It was just like, no, I gotta keep going, I gotta keep doing, Like now I know I'm in the shadow of no one like I know that for surely, like and that that's it would be the best feeling that I have of all this, that one I hope like my crew and me, you know, in particular BDP crew, like everyone.

I mean, I still I still talk to Chris every now and then, not not on the occasional side, but like like, I hope they feel a sense of like prime when it comes to this, like you know, they're the man they do, you know what I mean, Like we're all from me knowing you. I felt a sense of pride. I remember the first couple of days, the first start I'm happening and I started tuning in, and you know, my wife, her wife, her friends started hitting, hitting her and telling her, tell you are you watching

with with d nice is doing? And it just was a triple effect. I mean, I mean as an outside of looking and it was just like it was literally like going to a club. Like I was so happy when you named the club Quarantine because it was the first time I could be in the club with a person in Minnesota at the same exact time, same time, like like I could be on Eastern time, this person could be on whatever, but we were all all in the same situation. And you can tell from the comments

because that's what I started to do. Like what I started to do was when I was checking a text message, it would log me out. So what I would do is I would go on for my son's iPad and I would go on for my son's iPad, but I would comment from my phone, so it would it looked like I never left. But you know what I'm saying, Like you know what, But what I'm gonna tell you, I'm trying to tell you if you were like this was something very very important, like and it was the

way you brought the whole world together. Like a person who told me, it's two things. You can bring the world together through few food and music. I had saw a little examples of it through music, but the like the first real live example I've ever really seen music from the world together was her brother Quarantine and it's it's you're shifting like first of all party where I know they would kick me out in real life. In real life, I know they would kick me out because

Joe Biden walked up into Joy. You know what's been like a great experience with with it is that so that Friday could have been. It could have shifted in a different direction. And I'm gonna tell you why. Because everyone was trying to figure out how to steal make money. So Thursday, when when they started to pop, this is like day three, I started getting calls from record companies and from other clients that it's like, Yo, can you

play this record? And you name this I don't want to say the label, but like records Friday, and you know, they had a bag for me. They were gonna have two of the top artists, and you know all hip hop artists come in and you know they they have like tens of millions of followers. And I was like, yo, you know what you know that actually give me like some you know, some credibility. Maybe they're because I was struggling under two hundred thousand followers. I was like, Yo,

maybe maybe some of these people so follow me. And I woke up that wanting that Friday wanting, I sweaty broke once again. I sat on the edge of the bed and they were expecting me to do this at three at a new three pm Eastern time, and I was sitting on a bed and I was like, Yo, this doesn't feel right, Like this doesn't This is the one chance that I have to just be me to play what I love, and here I am about to turn it into a record company's Friday night party and

not follow my instincts. So I never called them. I never I never called, never blogged in with anyone. I just signed on and started playing ship that I love again, Soul Records, R and V Joints, you know, mixing all of that out. So throughout this entire process, I never sacrificed my integrity at all, like four check. So those first three weeks, I just got on because it was therapeutic and I knew it was here in the world, and I was just like I just wanted to do more,

you know. But I never sacrificed my integrity. And that's the beauty of like this whole thing is I feel like the music shifting now, like we should be able to play these records in the club. I know I'm going to because there's nothing you're not gonna tell. If you're hiring me, you're hiring me for me, like period, you know what I mean. You hired Stevoky for what

he does, you hire Mustle for what he does. You're hiring me because this is what I do, and they no, that's in my writer now, Like I won't even approve anything that I've been doing them like Nab not doing that. I'm not shouting this out if you want me. If somebody getting a quest the e f N he just like listen, this is this is my opinion, the best open format DJs or hip hop DJ's, because then it's not open format anymore. It becomes hip hop. Like even

when they're not playing hip hop. How annoying, How annoying that that would be the nice you you at pop party or somebody. And I'm like, one time, I think Papa's Madden to one of his parties. I think last New Year's or something or something like you know, like like people like if anybody ever like like trying to give you a question and you just like, is not the move to the party and you know where it's going. Oh you know what, Puff wasn't mad Puff. He wanted

me to play like like some demos, like like new tracks. Yeah, like you know, you know, you know, like you know from his kids, you know what I'm saying, like, Oh, yeah, that's right, that's right, that's right, that's right. Yeah yeah, And I'm just like, you know, I can't do it, upset, No, that's it. No, I just wanted to finish my set. But you know I was like, yeah, I didn't they be To be honest, I didn't have the music, you know what I mean, And I don't I don't let

anybody put their drives on my computer. Like I don't know what I'm saying, like, I don't. I just don't do that. I don't even start it like that. And there's no disrespect to Puff for anybody, because I love Puff, my guy. But you know, actually he never even came over to me. It was more like his people like yo,

Puff needs you to Nobody took it up anything. This beautiful house in my m me doesn't belong to me, but this does what I'm trying to get this house with this just never you know what I'm saying, like, but Puff usually hears about it, you know, man, Puff ups when I played the classic ship Man, you know, like so and Puff has actually been one of my he's at you know that night that that Saturday night when that ship went crazy two o'clock in the morning.

The call came from Puff and he didn't ask for anything. He didn't say, you don't want to manage you. He said, Yo, I just want you to just take a break and take all of this in you change the world. You did you didn't, Yeah, man, That's what I was trying to tell you earlier with That's how we all felt for you. Did he Um. I still didn't listen to him, though, I'm still going, yeah, but you know what you should? You should because you know why. It's like I'm like

I said, man, like, um. You know, I'm forty two years old, you know what I mean, um um, And I like to think that I've been around the world and not Yeah, yeah, I like to think that, you know what I'm saying. But I got so much other accolades, There so much other things to do. And that's like I said, like I said, like music coming together and

bringing everything together. That's one of the like the top moments, if not the moment in my life where I see if everyone really like I made a record back in the days called music make these thugs calm down, and it meant nothing. I mean I did it with Nois. I see you gotta interview with nis on on on on the live as well, but that meant nothing to to this night. Is you really made the world just come together, just you know, and celebration, and I can

I swear to god. I was getting texas of people really saying, you know you're going You're going to club Quarantine tonight, and I really we were leaving like I was like, all right, cool, weading room in my house to the other room in my house, and I even had my balcony set up. We had lights out there and it was just me and my wife and we just parted away. By the way, I told you DJ and my wedding, even though I didn't hit you, I didn't text you, but in my mind, you DJ and

my wedding. Yeah, it's just happening. We're gonna make it. I mean that. I mean that, like no, no but it couldn't have Hold on, I cheered without sipping. That doesn't Yeah, yeah, I need to put some more. We we got it. Hold up, hold on, hold on, hold up that Kanya shout out to nas in the moment. There, baby, we gotta tell d d Nice how he how? Actually he's a part of the dream Champ's history and no, no, you can refute this. Maybe maybe I don't know. This

is my my opinion of the history. I did my name ism name hold no, hold up, man, you're ruining my story. Bro. So so Nori moves down to Miami. He's working out out of my studio, Crazier Productions, and he's like, Yo, let's just do some like hip hop ship. Let's just get he's coming off of the stuff. And then the both him and I, it's like we we we both had the same favorite record. My name is

the Nice. Yeah, yeah, we both had the same favorite record. Like, Yo, let's let's sample this and let's create another record out of this. This is one of my favorite hicals, was one of my favorite records too. Let's I'm gonna play that record tonight. My name is that No, So let me tell you that studio came after. That is the prelude to like that's where dream Chance was born out of Studio studio and that's yeah yeah, those studio sessions. Yeah, so you have a piece of drink. Yeah yeah, please

don't claim it. But how is that, like, you know, bud wise, I see bud Wise of calling, I see you actually flew out here for social distance party drive by joint, yeah, the drive by drain that how how how is that? Like you know, um, just people just embracing and and the best thing about it is you're being you. It's not like you're being somebody else and get in love for being somebody else again, that's exactly who you are. So that's been like the best that's

been one of the best feelings. Man. Is that Like I said, man, I've been authentic to myself bro, and like seeing all of these things happen, and uh, for one, it wasn't really about the accolades because obviously, you know, I've been I've worked with Hennessey for years, I've worked with but you know, like I've worked with always fine, um, but this was something different, you know, like this was like people really came through for me. And so if I ever had a question about like my own legacy.

That ship was answered two months to immediately, you know what I mean, like if I if I ever questioned it, like y'all, I don't know where I am. You know, No, it was the answers came two months ago where I was like, I felt the love and the answer comes. Every single night, I'm going to Lives and I see it will be like hot DJ with five hundred people in there. Another DJ was six seven hundred. I never see DJs with like more than like two thousand people.

But I'll go on and it will be fifteen thou thousand, twenty five. Don't let it be like the versus night everybody, if you really knows to go to my joint. But the but the first rightly man, like yep, the Ingage, the boost Joint. Yeah, I mean being gone to Killer that was it was crazy. Then as soon as I as soon as I loved on, it was like ten seconds, fifteen thousand people in there. I was like, Jesus Christ, this is crazy, but I love it because that means

people trust me. Man, you know what I mean. Like he was starting, you went, you went so pause, you went like six seven hours right, And I remember just looking at the comments and people were like, you can we send you Uba eats because you don't wanted to feat you. You know, people people were like, yo can something like you was just you know, did not stop, and then you went off for a second, like you went off. You didn't say nothing, and then we didn't

know what it was happening. I'm not sure if this was the first hat change and you came back with a hat change and he was like, oh, we was all hoping, yo, he must say he must eat a grilled cheese, so you know I need a lot. We would like, yo, come on, man, he gotta be yo. I always eat, So I just don't. I don't talk about it because it should be seeming kind of flussy. But I a chef, you know what I'm saying, Like you know what I mean. So every time I would

like I would, I would do this. I didn't do the ship right now, like I still eat while I'm teaching. But I'm then and be like, oh this is ship.

Just slid slip to the private chef back. I'm coming back with yo, know what I'm saying, Like, so I eat, I was just like nibble on the ship while I was teaching, or if I'm eating, Like last night, I was eating while I was DJing, but I kept my back turn pretending to pour more wine as I was chewing my food, just you know, to keep the energy going, you know what I mean, Like, oh, you don't want to that's a that's actually funny shot. Though I started

that way because there was a Chicken company. No disrespect to the Chicken company, I'll leave the name out. That week was trying to get me to show some chicken on the screen, and I'm like, both chicken. They wanted to be both chicken, yo, because you know, people couldn't figure out the market this ship, so that I was like, oh nice chicken, yo. Back that's what you know. You blew up, bro, you know you blew up when they want you to promote chicken. Then this was before that night,

but the bag, the bag was looking nice. But I was like, yo, black yo, I can't be eating chicken on instagramming. But all these people I'm like, I'm good man, I'm good. You understanding, But like that's why I love where I am. Man. I never I swear to you yo, yo, you know I never sacrificed my intech reaty, bro, That's the that's the part about this ship is that I did not straight away from being who I am, man, because that's the best lesson ample. That's the best example

that you've given everybody. That's the best gift you've given all of us. That's a gift, man, is that I did not sacrifice my integrity at all. I didn't accept any money. Those deals were coming that Monday, trust me, millions and deals that Monday. They were all coming at me. And like my friends thought I was crazy. I was like, yo, I don't even want to talk about this because why I did it was for people. It was self serving. The very first day it was about me. I just

wanted to play music. But then I was addicted to because I was reading the comments and people are like, Yo, this feels like a club. Like just imagine one of my friends is you know, you guys all know him, um Will Packer the movie producer, right, so Will that Thursday will call me. He was like, Yo, everybody keep calling me about your club, Like I think I'm a popping your club tonight. Another still is like a real thing, like people really want to be in there, and that's ship.

It's just like the fact that people gravitate towards people like us. You know, I've been waiting to do this, you know what I'm saying, Like I've been waiting to just talk and you're not doing it yet. Remember this is not a replacement for the Live Drink Champs, you know, but we couldn't wait no longer. We have the big more. Our show was about bigg en up people who you know, you know, d nice. When you got ten years in this game, they want to say you washed up and

they want to say that. Me and e FM, we we we thought that that was wrong for everybody in our culture. We thought that if for ten years in this game, you are season and we should be bigging you up, and that goes for everybody. That's why we talked about the Hip Hop Union, like we talked about all this. We did this four years ago. We we we realized there's nobody in our culture that's big enough our culture. That's what me and my part of the e FN got together that did it, and we've been

successful at it. And you have been top on the list. You have one. You're not only one of my favorite graps, you have one of my favorite longs and now that you would do another one of my favorite songs, instruction God. But but but I know I'm bouncing around a little bit. Do you think that's something that we need right now? Like you know, um, we are the World and self destruction was or we are the World. To me, that

was modern day self destruction. Like like like if if I had to choose between we Are the World and self destruction, self destruction more than me, you know what I'm saying, because I couldn't identify with everybody or We are the World, No disrespect to that, but I knew who Step the Sonic was, I knew who care Arrest was and so on and so forth. I didn't know everybody We are the World. It's self destruction something that

we need nowadays. I mean the record the actually and they tried to do them over and over like a couple of times, but it just hasn't had the same effect. Yeah, Like I don't want to be involved because it's usually always the same dudes trying to do it, like you know, the guys that didn't the original, like now we want to come back and now we need me goos and little yeah, we need we needed to be modernized, like

need you don't need it. From my generation, it's just funking down on people, you know what I mean, Like like when we first came out, Mellie mel hated us, like he didn't he didn't write with us at all, with who with bet per self destruction as a trade,

Like Mellie mel hated us. That's like the first verse of poetry, care us from poetry that that was actually around he wrote, like like he did that on stage in front of Mellie Melo, Like you know, that's crucial that you're saying this crucial because that means sho it ain't changed because a lot of the elder statements seemed to be a little bit mad at people who made

more money than them. Accurate. That is accurate. Okay, continue, that's accurate, you know, Like I mean I see that now with with a lot of DJs from Like I mean, one of my favorite DJs hit me up, send me a text last night, like you know, when did you start playing slow songs on the Sunday night? Oh you know you know or you know, like people always do things like that, you know what I'm saying, Like when did you start doing this or like when did you start?

I'm like, yo, bro, it's just music, you know, like what we do, this is what we all do. I'm not I'm never limited myself to anything, you know, but like, yeah, a lot of times, you know, our generation is like we all we don't really show each other the same

amount of love that we should, you know. Like that's why when I see Bunby in there, if I see Nori, I you know, when I see Nori, When I see Nori's name popping there, this means so much to me because because of the violator days, you know what I mean. And it's like here, brother, yeah, it's like I can't think about my life and music without thinking of Chris Lighty. That's true. This is real ship to me because that man told me that, yo, you're better than just you're

better than what you used to do. No disrespect to what you used to do, but you can figure this out. So me doing multiple things actually happened because he challenged me. It wasn't because I saw myself doing these things. It was because that man challenged me, you know what I mean. Like there was a day in the studio when I was building the Violet to site that. Yo, I followed you around. You got a whole through in the studio, dude. You know what I'm saying. I was in the studio

and d N I showed up one time. I tuck down. You were there? Yeah, I was there. I was there and I was like, wait, this is d Nice And I was there to take pictures. Though, That's what I'm saying, Yo, I was kind of sucked up by it. Though originally I was like, holy ship, d Nice is a photographer right now, Yeah, I have to adjust. I have to adjust, you know why you thought you thought that? But but when I looked at DNA, d Knights is always defend.

He's always like fly, you know what I'm saying. So you know, you know he's a different guy, like he's a he's a smooth But I think what I think is doub about about that point is that you already ahead of the curve. D like, like you understood that to survive. The thing is, we all look at the one percent of entertainers that make a living off of what they do, the one thing they do, and they

make millions of dollars. Most entertainer entertainers and hip hop artists or anybody that whatever, any of us that are creators, that is not the reality for all of us. We have to have different lanes. We have to be able to to do different things, to do the one thing we love. And you know, I was young with at that time. When I was in the studio and I saw you, I was like, oh ship dean heys of But I get it now like I got it a little bit after that because I started doing the same thing.

Listen your d D. When I started doing reggae throng, the offen didn't even speak to me. I don't know. I still don't speak to you all. Fact, Joe, when I did, I did, and I ain't no disrespect that I get done respect to you that, Joe. You are my closest friends. Nice to all my closest friends. They said, what are you doing? I said, reggae thrown. They said click click. I don't know why. In my mind, both

of their numbers magically changed right there. So so so trust me, like like when you're transition, sometimes people just don't understand you know what I'm saying. They didn't, But you gotta let the only thing that would stop you is your ego. You know what I'm saying, Like, it's just your ego that would stop you from like doing that ship to be able to like pivot. So I you know, it was part of it that felt a little uncomfortable, But the part that made me feel comfortable

was that, wait a minute, I worked for myself. I'm only here to the Nori because I want to populate the violet to site with content. That's the only reason why I went. I was it was I was doing in the varley to say so I wanted to have, like I wanted to be able to what we do on Instagram was what I was trying to do with violence, you know, to just be like put up new images and like sell stories like oh this person was doing this, you know. Like so it didn't matter to me, like

go and walk around with my camera ship. My camera's excessive this you know where Where's where's James Flix? Fix? You got my homemade dream Flix. He's one of my producers. He was an NC and now he's a photographer for Dad. I was there that night when you had the camera. Who you are? I know you you made me a drink. That's my brother, right brother? You know it was photographer.

To which camera do you have with you? I got the sony, so what I'm doing, But I just gotta gotta fool you want to thank you for speaking Chinese? I got I got the this is the like monochrome, the new one, the monochroone. Check it out. I got the iPhone. I got the phone. No, man's that's about though. Man, I'm happy to be in with you. Guys though, bro, I've been waiting for this. And how about how about your relationship with Cavras. I know we spoke on it

a little bit lightly earlier. Now we're we're good. We don't really see each other that often though, you know, like his Chris never really had a cell phone, like, he doesn't do a cell phone things. So I'm not gonna lie. I wanted to talk to you about that. Um stop. He still gets on the boat and ship like that. Last time I've seen you. You saw what happened when he did drink Champs. Everybody knows this or no, nobody knows this story. He did drink Champs. There was

a controversy that happened when he did drink Champs. You gotta explain the boat. He in the boat along boat, right, So he didn't see the controversy, didn't He couldn't react to it until like a week later because of the boat riding. Two weeks later. Two weeks later, it was like three weeks later. Yeah, yeah, man, Yeah, he's like, um, I think somebody got to tell him, like, planes are safer than they used to be. They used to be. Joe didn't used to take planes either, though, Yeah Joe. Yeah,

Joe would not get on a plane. Joe was on He's lefting right now, He's left it right on the planes. Like, yeah, I'm good, bro, not but caress I'm you know, look I said early. I hope he's proud of like what happened, man, Like I am a product of BDP, you know what I mean, You're yeah, you're they're prodigy for sure. What happened, This happened for my crew, you know, like this is some dope ship when you really look back at the

history of it. I spotted with them. It started there and that same dude, that same dude that started with them ended up playing in the White House, you know what I mean, Like like this it's just a dope story, man, It's a dope story. Yeah, I can't wait to like properly tell my story one day, you know, like because people should know the ups and downs, like that's where the inspiration comes from. The inspiration comes from from like

never giving up and always believe in yourself. Not not to sound appreciate it, but that's really a story right there. That's the story, you know, is that already in the already thinking that like the book and like the documentary. It sounds like it already. So I've already had book deal offers, but this was before COVID. I never took the deals because I didn't feel like my story was

there yet. This is what I'm saying, Like knowing yourself, bro, I just felt like, not, okay, yeah, I'm gonna do it from the Bronx and you know, you know, I made a lot of records and sell records, and you know, I lost everything, and then I came back to the web developer and photographer and the DJ and then our DJ and the White House and all of this ship. I still didn't feel like the story was there because

it wasn't. Those weren't my things. The only thing that was mine with my records other than that, I was building ship for other people. It wasn't until this hit where it was like, my story is here now because what I didn't fucking like really did contribute to inspiring the world. So like now I feel now my story is there, Like now I'm excited to tell a story. Like And what's what's ill about the I G stuff is that itself produced. True, Like nobody produced it for you. No,

no club promoter promoted it. It's just self produced. And that's what's so dope about it. I didn't even think about it from that perspective. But you're right, Yeah, you got your daughted a product of credit, right, because I think she was the one telling you who was doing it. My daughter. I know my daughter was. She was because I you know, I don't know why I wasn't. What didn't think of this? You know, early on I used to I would stream from my iPhone. So if you

have your phone, you know I'm forty nine. So clearly, clearly, my my vision is in the you know what I mean, Like I'm blind, don't worry turning forty five on Thursday. Yeah, I couldn't you turn out? Yeah I couldn't see the comments. You know what I'm saying like I couldn't see anything. So my daughter with text me to my iPad, like dad, so nor reason there and this is in there. Like

she was just telling me all of the people. And then I had to tell I was like, babe, tell me some regular names too, like because I wanted to feel good. So you want here Tom and John. Yeah, she did shoot me over names like but like now like yeah, yeah, like my ship is all I used. I use the iPad, you know what I'm saying, Like, you got like movie lights in that motherfucker, like old school movie lights. That's my ceiling. That's my ceiling. Oh you got to lie from Casa Blanca. You know that

ship was more decorative. That's decorative. Baby. You know when you get a little bit of money, you do you buy dumps. It's not even functional. Oh man, no, this is fun. Man. I appreciate you guys. Bro Man, we appreciate you. Bro. I can't even I appreciate you. Bro. No, man really really really bottomed from my heart man, like it couldn't have happened to any better person. Absolutely, um, you are absolutely, hands down one of the most genuine

humble you. You taught me so much because I watched you transition from a position from a career to a career and to a to a different thing. Maintain exactly who you are, maintain the integrity, and I admire that, and I look up to that, you know what I mean. That's why I seen me. I've seen you and um shot and uh what was it? Noble? No, but that's by the way, that's one of my favorite restaurants in the whold planet. Uh, Noble. And I see y'all there and I was like, man, I want you on drink.

Chance was like and he was kicking it. But you know, um, getting back to the mad at hand. When I've seen the explosion and I've seen everything that happened, I couldn't everyone from ear Finns for everyone. We were just texting each other and just was just so happy, just happy man. And I'm I'm old enough from forty two. Um, I'm old enough to remember when it was Eric b and Rock Kim. I'm old enough to remember with the DJ actually came before the artist and it was because of

that very moment. It reminded reminded me of that. You know what artists can go up go up for. You know about half an hour, you know, forty five minutes and just rock their own records. After that, we gotta say goodbye. You was out there six seven hours, not no, no, nine dude, half a day. I was not. I was just playing music. I'm like, Yo, this is Jesus Christmas. You know we don't play nine hours. Man, No, that's

not the normal. I said, you got the hunchback. Yeah, I got my hunchback from DJ and the club back in the days. Yeah. I'm over here struggling right now. I'm like the entire time we're talking, I got my eye on this joint right here. Put this on. Well, I got one of those two. Yeah, that's that's a massager joint. Looking at you at the crab, I'm like this,

I'm like, yeah, let me tell you what's dope. What's dope about everything you've done and all everything that's come with it is that you didn't keep it to yourself. You put on you put on the ladies, yet you put on your your crew, the originals, the originals. I respected that stretch on strong likes so dope, man um, can't Tony touch I'm strong the thing, you know, like, man, I never I just wanted to be that person that I wish someone else was for me back in the

day and not have to say that they weren't. Because Caress and Scott like you know, guys took a kid that really didn't know anything about music and gave me a career, gave me a life, you know. Like so so like yo, I get on, Like yeah, you're supposed to look out for your boys. Like now we got a platform. You know, before we had, you know, under two hundred thousand people. Now it's like two point four

million people. Like why not put your crew on? Like yo, like let them know who this person is or you know. Somebody was like, yo, you should do one for all ladies and I was like, Yo, you know what, that's actually dope, Dobe do it. And then I was talking to my boy we worked together with Chappelle. I was like, Yo, you know what, why don't you why don't you play

jazz on my joint? Like use the full band because he was getting like forty five people in his in his I G Live And I'm like, yo, get at least a couple of thousands if you come on this joint, like consistently had like eight thousand people in there just listening to play Jack and I'm like, you know what, that's all I'm doing is like programmingization now, you know, like and that's how I'm kind of treated, like you know,

I like to play my music. But there's a future in that right there, right you know, like hey listen, gon to be a new business. I'm about the pivot again. The constant chairs to Chrislity to man miss I mean I miss him so much? Man? You are you under management? Now? Is there anybody I see? You? Know what I've seen you in the rock Nation? I'm not rock Nation? Um? What was it the other day? It was tas Oh

yeah birthday? No? No, no, I'm self managed. I've always been managed by my company brand nice you know, like assistance that work with me. I'm never gonna be managed by anyone. I have no desire to do that. I have the desire to build my business. Like you know, when you're I I'll be fifty. I can't I can't be to do be like, yeah, what are you thinking about this deal? Like you already know what you want to deal? Yeah? I already know, Like, yeah, I know

what I want. So that's not if I'm not gonna get what I want or close to it, then I shouldn't do the deal, Like you can't convinced me to do that, you know, like and and no manager, And first of all, a manager would have told me to stop DJ online. You just get the check out and been like, yo, you don't even do it anymore. You're gonna be oversaturated, you know. You know what ended up happening. I ended up with another million followers, you know what

I mean? Like, so then that automatically changes all the rates anyway. And I never charged anyone for anything. I just did what I loved and I followed my instincts, you know, Like when quarantine is over, the silver lining is that I know that I'll be remembered for doing something good for people. And I know that I can walk away from this knowing that I did this ship

for my heart, you know what I mean? Like like like I know that, like there's nothing I can smile when this is all over, Like and yo, like the people, you know, I read comments to people posting, like you know, a lot of people post some slick stuff, and I'm like, yo, I'm gonna walk away from this feeling like I'm extremely proud that I did not sacrifice myself. I didn't shoot on anyone. I don't speak badly about anyone. And you

know what I mean. I don't I go on to other people's eye g s. I would leave a comment just because I know people will say something like Yo, nice in here. You know what I'm saying, Like, I'll put other days into my joint. I do all of that. I will afford people like you know, I'm done for the day, like today, I did a quick set earlier. As soon as I was done, I knew Maco it was in there, and like, Yo, make sure you're rocking, like yo, So everybody, Yo, you should go to support Maco.

Shut out day La Soul may see. Oh yeah, So it's like, Yo, that's that's I like that, you know what I'm saying, Like I like knowing when when this is all over, Like Yo, be like I did what I could from my from for my hip hop people and just for people in don't roll to keep people inspired. Man, I'm grateful. I'm grateful to have the opportunity to do so. Yo. Salute, salute, salute man, Salute man. Man. Once again, this is not like the officially one. This is you know now you

have to join us, don't don't. Don't play with us. Man, come to Miami when it's all over and join you. I was like, yo, wait, I was like, man, I'm supposed to hit up, being like hold on, hold on. Then I was like yo, why, I was like, why are we being bros? Like? Who are we doing? I wish you could do when you came out here, because we could have did a great social distance with masks that still did it in person. But don't worry, no, no, no, We're gonna do a legit dream Chance. You're gonna get

ship faced. You're gonna get ship faced. I'll drink Chance, and we want to we want to tech. So hold on here, give me, give me one more minute. I gotta say little people. Yo. Okay, So look now that you said that you produced self destruction, give us give us a story from that whole recording session. Damn anything interesting with self self destruction? I mean, were you there during the whole product, the whole recording of that. The only thing I wasn't there for was for Public Enemy.

They they sent the two I'm about to ask you about, to be specifically about Heavy D. Yeah, I was there for head. I was there like the first day was everyone was in there though, you know the first day like everybody came to that session. Yeah, we when we first started working on it, like we were at Chunking studios, you know, like L was there because l I was writing Light's part, you know what I mean, Like it was just we haven't compete doing. But why wasn't L

on it? I don't know. I mean he wrote he lights Ryan, Yeah, he wrote my girl then get comfortable DJ life bro. Yeah, listen, we got I got it at the crib? What what is? What is? What does your bridge dues by'all identify with that? This is not ship? You can buy a ship nine all right now, Yeah, it don't look for exactly you need this man. Yeah, man, that ship, that ship. If you can't go to Masseus, that ship got you. I got some other ship that goes the roller. That's that rich dude ship you got

right there. Yeah, so Nori listen he said that self destruction. Almost all of it was one session. That's crazy. Not all know like it hap it started in like one session. That's bana. Just to think about all those I mean I know that right now. It's difficult to think about all artists in a studio together, but to think about those iconic Let's Dairy artists all in that studio doing that record is crazy. Man. Yeah, but we weren't iconic then though, you know, I don't care, don't don't ruin

my my vision of this right now. Yeah, you know we weren't iconic then. You know, this is really feel like I got some like let's like you got a boat constrictor around your neck right now, just like I'm like a Diddy's mansion. I got somebody handling this one. I'm I'm trying to or a drinking. That was my other question, what's your most um awkward? This party like a party of ever just awkward? You just got you went to DJ and the ship was just probably just

sh I forgot. I don't even have one, honestly, Like, yeah, I don't. I don't even know if any awkward parties. Man, I forget. I had a party one time, I forget what was like one of these guys that holds I think it was Johnny Carson or one of them guy's sons, And it was like just crazy. It was a balloon party. So we went in it was just never experienced like that. I'm creaking Crystal and it just loves everywhere and I just it was like that was a little walker for me. Yeah, yeah,

that sounds crazy. And I've never had one of the party with Johnny Carson, so like I think it's Johnny Carson's son. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. Yeah, no, no, not damn. I'm yeah. I've never had anything weird, man, I really listen, I don't. My DJ career has been outstanding. Bro. You like festivals the South bast Southwest as you like that. My sneakers always get messed up every time I go

to it. Like that's like like the festival. I just like watching people dance, man, you know, like having watching people have a good time and really like and just celebrate music. You know, I can't wait for this to be over because I want to hit the stage, you know. Like my gold morning Man is like our goal is to play the Hollywood Bowl mm hmmm, because it's an outdoor space. And I feel like during this time of COVID, people have gotten closer to their families, Like people listening

to my music with their families. People put on the systems, play the same music with their kids, and they'll send me images and videos dancing with their kids. So it's like I need to be that type of person that would be playing amphitheaters, you know what I'm saying, Like instead of like worried about like nightclubs, I'm playing amphitheaters and people are coming out with their families, you know, and like so as soon as I said that, like you know, now Rogers from she hit me like, Yo,

you really want to do Hollywood Bowl? I was like, yeah, I want Hollywood Ball. I want you, I want Chic. I was like, yeo, I just want to Holly Ball. I forget didn't didn't mirrors or somebody through festival how to be a ball? Oh? I don't know. I think so not sure for guy, but yeah, it's like outdoors, people come with their wine, Like that's the kind of vibe I see drinking your wine. Like yo, yeah tonight, I'm on a spade. What is a spade? That? Okay,

tonight I'm on a spad. You know what I'm saying. Hopefully hold watching this, you know what I'm saying, We keeping it, keeping it, keeping it, yeah, and just in case, you know, we know, did he watch it too. You know what I'm saying. Yeah, I'll keep you the humbers they're watching too, I'll keeping it in house. Look look, okay, little we gotta do say two got I was trying not to mix. Man, you know I started started drinking dark. Yeah,

I've been drinking water. That's why I've been drinking water on goddamn day. But when we said we got you on here, I said, man, we gotta we got Donely on too. Just in Jays did he look Jesus Christ, look here, don't okay? Hold on? So life life, life as a new d nice is it is there because there's people who only know me from being podcasting, right there's people that only like I remember how to show in San Francisco And I'm walking to the stage and the kid looks at me like what are you doing?

Why are you going to the stage And I'm like, I'm going to perform. He's like, you're doing a podcast right now. And I'm like no, I'm going to perform. And the kid had no idea, you know, r e the actual artists. And then I performed and he's like those are your songs? Like like I'm like, yeah, they're like He's like, oh, ship, there's people who just know is there people just to know you from like a certain part of your So the funny thing is UM

one of the clients agencies. She she called me one day and she was like, yo, Haneken wants to work with you. Oh no, Hankin keeps calling about the rapper D Nice, but I keep telling them we only know the d J D Knights, and I just felt out. Lu I was like, the same person, you should charge to different rates. You should be like, yo, I I could book you the rapper and the DJ get paid twice twice. Their fault, not yours. I was like, Dave, I am the rapper D Knights, I just DJ now.

I used to wrap back the day. She looked at me. She was like you, I can't even see it. You're a rapper. Oh man, No, it's just there's a lot of people just like there are a lot of people that rediscovered me. You look to give a million followers in a day is insane. I don't have a record out. I don't have a record out at all, and then one day a million followers is absolutely the most insane thing.

They were like, we've never seen numbers like bro like that, Like, you know, you could be crazy to put out a record now out down. You know the DJ project is coming, don't Yeah, yeah, that's something Chris likey. That's like, I don't know, and you know what the goal would be me looking from the outside in to keep that same energy and the thing about it is right, sorry to be like to break down, but I'm gonna tell you

how just how I look at it. To me, DJ Camillo is probably one of the best international club DJs when every international was in there, I think DJ Camillo was one of the best. I think just on a party tips. No, there's nobody mess on the radio. I don't think there's nobody messing with Flex in the morning time.

There's nobody messing with dj MB. When it comes to global music, there's nobody that can mess with d nights Like I like, there's anybody that I could walk into the party, You're gonna please them because you have a certain niche. You're playing a type of music that the hardcore dude is gonna like, the soft person in the room is gonna like and like you know, the median

person is gonna like how did you develop that? Because of that story that I shared earlier when the hip hop all I wanted to do is play hip hop records, and hip hop dudes wouldn't let me in because like you know, like the other round, you know what I'm saying, Like the only person even listen. This is not no disrespect to the originals, because you know, Clark Kent and all those guys are like my best friends, like we talk every day. But the first person that ever look

out for me as a DJ was DJ Scratch. He was like, yo when I called him, I was like, m D bust a rhyme DJ. Just for anybody who doesn't know, yes, yes, so um. He was the first person that was like when I called him, I was like, yo, you know, I'm coming back on the scene, DJ, and I got a little party I'm doing on winds Days. That's when you know, back in the day you had to like name your ship after like Candy Bars and all that ship good and Plenty Fridays and New Days

and all. So I was like, enjoy Sunday. Yeah exactly. I think my ships super Fly Wednesdays photo shot my face on like super Fly, Like you know what I was like on the super Fly Wednesdays. So Scratch Scratch was the first person man and that that hundred and fifty dollars that they gave me. I was like, yo, it's all I offered him. And he was like, no, I'm good. I don't need that, bro, I'm good. I just wanted to rock with you. And like he came,

it was ten people in there. It was in people in there, bro like and then and I will never forget this. There was a woman that came every week to my party with her husband. It was him to twenty people every single week. And that woman said to me. She she's a professor at m y U. Her husband's a firefighter. And she said to me one day, she was like, you know why we come because no matter how many people are here, you still look like you're having fun. You look like you're having fun and your

energy is infectious. And I never ever forgot that. So even when I'm tired, they're nice. When I'm dead tired, I don't eve want a DJ like I didn't even want to play last night. I got on it like midnight out here because one of my friends, she's super dope. She's been guiding me through this whole process. Of like you know, social media and handling, you know. And she was just like she brought up like Chico the bars and I was like, damn, I've never even played a

T Barge record. I think right now, do you do it? Yeah? Yeah, r E album. I gotta go. I gotta revisit that. I saw it online just to play. She go on to bars like eight thousands people in there. I'm like, damn, uh, you know, I'm getting on in a minute. It was we're done with this, I'm doing. You don't do an after party? Well, drenk chance, that's a party with d night. We words and the words of what's the guy? Forget the guys. But if you got the juice now, buddy,

you know what I'm saying. If you ain't never yeah, man, I couldn't be like I said, you know. Um, I started this interview off with with with uh saying with me and fact Joe say on the side, and we was like like you know, when we when we just built like you know what I mean, it was like, you know, it's any DJ that can be able to get like a million dollars show like this one show a million we played and hope that it's you. You know what I'm saying, got that getting keep getting it.

It's you. I don't even not hope it's you. It's you. And like like I said, Man, we could go on the arm for hours and days and days. I just want to thank you, man, but time you appreciate and staying who you are and holding down our culture. And you know, besides, you know me as as as Nori uh the artist and e f n of the artist, you know, as a person, I was. I lived to these moments and you're getting on there and just jamming and you know what I mean. And like you know,

we were really stuck in. He was taking this serious as every other American should as well. We were taking this very very serious. And um, you kept us alive, man, you said, you sincerely did man and do the music and you you just you heal the country, bro, That's basically what you've been doing. You help. Like I heard a person, I heard a person, you know when that person say um, such in the house, and then they'd be like such in the building, and then some such.

I've never heard somebody to say such such in the planning like you were in the planet dude, Like I don't know what his party. I know his party next to a nigga in Moscow, like I smelling people under arms. I knew that, wo, Like I want to put it from because because your party, brother, and you love you man, drink chats forever and we look forward to you being here with us in person. Ye man, Man, seriously, thank you for following up, brom. Appreciate you. Peace. I killed

that with us right now. Look at you, But like you already to, You're not my guy. You're not my freaking dad. Are you talking to me like that? Bro? Who are you? Yo? Yeah? Drop John, Okay, we're gonna recap. Yeah, let's do it. You know what's going on? Man, that was a great one, bro, Yo. We had fucking we had Guilly the kid. The kid, Okay, let me just punt it out there. Came through the last minute. Were supposed to have a different guest. We're not gonna say that.

A huge guest, huge guest, and it doesn't it doesn't diminish his huge doesn't diminish it because you know, Silly is right there out there busting the ask doing this goddamn thing. Yeah, yeah, you know and pause. And we had the legendary d j D. Nice Man, legendary Rappid. You know, I got hyped. I washoographer. That was extremely hype. Um, you know so much hips to be there man, from BDP to wherever you want to go with it. Guys crazy, he told us that he produced self destruction. I feel

like I'm not hip hop. I don't I didn't know that. No, I didn't know that. I didn't know that. I didn't know that. I still feel hip hop, but I didn't know that. I feel my hip hop card. And I gave it back to myself. I took it away back and get right back to my stuff and get back to yourself. In the morning, you're back to night. Put it, put it verry be at and then you go back to the morning. It was it was ethic, man, it was the nicest is like, well, people don't understand. It's

like he is, He's out of here. You know what. Let's just say this. Both of those brothers man, you know, Gilly and d Knights, two humble brothers that has had a chance to come to the fourth transcend. Gilly, you know, you know, Um was out there being a wrap up and then you know, had a little dry spell and then look Flora's to the front. D Knights told you about his little dry sprout looking at it flooras to

the front. And we were happy to to to support them in the beginning, in the middle, and and and and and I don't never start. Uh, We'll never stop supporting. That's the thing. That's exactly what we do. Man. So God damn it, man, I'm gonna finish this and I'm gonna spray my crib down because us and opened the windows. Yeah, I got boars he's dirty, man boards dirty right now. Jesus salute man. Another great show man Champs, expect your what are you expecting? Bro? Twins? So yeah, leave me alone.

I think it's three of them. Get out of my face. I love you. Study Thanks for joining us for another episode of Drink Champs hosted by yours truly, d J e f N and n R E. Please make sure to follow us on all our socials. Let's at Drink Champs across all platforms. At the Real Noriegan, I g at Noriega on Twitter, mine is at Who's Crazy on I g at d J E f N on Twitter, and most importantly, stay up to date with the latest releases, news and merch by going to drink Champs dot com. Nityanit Yanity